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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the best in paranormal talk radio

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in the UK and around the world. Hello world, You're listening to Eleanor

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Wagner's Strange and Scary world here on
the Paranormal UK Radio Network, where we're

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always creeping it real. I'm your
host. Eleanor Wagner. Day's guest is

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the Occult Simple Spiritual Beliefs Researcher for
Phantom Detectives LLC. He's a paranormal investigator,

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writer, researcher, soteric minister,
Reiki master and teacher, psychic medium,

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and child advocate. She got interested
in the paranormal at a young age

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watching documentaries with her dad and when
she started hearing and seeing things no one

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else could. Her interest came to
fruition in nineteen ninety after the death of

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her closest friend. Many told her
he wouldn't go to heaven because of his

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suicide, which started her on her
quest for knowledge. At twenty years old,

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she was in a severe car accident
and was what first responders stated as

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dead and had a near death experience. Over the last decade, she has

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put a primary focus on spirituality and
occult research working on touching and working on

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teaching investigators the importance of the client
spirituality in the investigative process, along with

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the importance of historical research. She
also strives to aid others in a better

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understanding of cults and symbols. She
has been investigating for over thirty years and

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has had the opportunity to investigate many
locations throughout the United States, having spent

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a large amount of time in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, researching intelligent and residual hauntings.

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Please join me in welcoming College Fast
Okome. Thank you. I appreciate

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you coming. I appreciate you having
me. I hear from a lot of

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people that I interview that as children, they seen hear things that they can't

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explain, and a lot of how
things turn out depends on how the adults

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raising them respond to the situation.
How was it with your dad and other

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adult figures? My dad, I
really didn't talk about it a lot with

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him because when I had said something
to my mom, my mom was a

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devout Catholic and she freaked out and
took me to our parish priest and told

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them to exercise. So I kind
of stifled it for a very long time.

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Yeah, I do definitely hear that
a lot. Yeah, I definitely

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kept it, probably until my mid
twenties is when it finally came back out

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again. So weird because I mean
my stifled the gifts that I had to.

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And it wasn't because my mom was
a devo Catholic. She was,

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but it wasn't that she received it
the way your mom did. She more

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or less kind of just didn't think
it was anything. It was they were

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nightmares and it wasn't It wasn't anything. So I used to have premonitions as

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a kid, and they were pretty
simple things. But when something really traumatic

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happened, they came to me in
dreams. That's when I shut down.

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And it wasn't until I was thirty
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off. And I find it very
intriguing how everybody's situation is so different.

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I mean, there were kids that
were like you and I that had these

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experiences and they had families that were
extremely supportive and helped them to grow their

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gifts. And I see them now
the same ages that I am, and

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they're so far more along then I. I mean, I know we all

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have our journeys and stuff like that. But it just is very intriguing to

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see the similarities in how they turn
out. Yeah, I've noticed that too

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with a lot of kids I've worked
with, and even my own. Your

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children, Your children are gifted too
with the spiritual out All three of them

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had some sort of gift. My
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the middle one doesn't like to deal
with it at all, and my

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youngest one is all into it.
That wasn't that funny out of mine too,

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The one is afraid of it,
and the older one is embracing it

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and trying to learn what she can. So it's interesting that you would say

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that, Yeah, maybe maybe the
ones that shut it down might change their

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mind later on. That's also something
that I've seen a lot with people that

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I've interviewed that might have shut it
down and then later on picked it up

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or weren't interested, or what have
you. Something happens that is so point

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in the life that says, I
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So right? It must have been
very upsetting for you when people were so

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inconsiderate and said to you, your
best friend wouldn't go to heaven because his

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death was a suicide. It was
so hard because he was I had experienced

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death in my life before that,
but he was, Oh my goodness,

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my closest friend since like kindergarten.
I still have a little necklace that he

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gave me in the first grade when
he came up and kissed me on the

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playground and said, will you be
my girl forever? Oh? You know,

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And a lot of it was because
of, you know, his sexuality

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and the fact that people couldn't accept
who he was. Wow, has he

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ever come to you since death that
you've seen him? Yes. I was

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actually at an event, at a
seance, and I started like things were

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happening in the room and people were
asking questions and I was shying away from

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asking are you with me? Or
is it you who you know? And

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then people are like, did you
commit suicide? Are you sorry for what

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you did? You know? And
then finally someone else in the room said

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are you here with Holly? And
the table started shaking and the curtains started

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blowing, and I was like,
oh boy, oh, I saw you

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do. And then that night,
when I was driving home, because it

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was about an hour and twenty minute
drive for me home, I literally looked

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in my rearview there on the interstate, and I could see him sitting in

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the back seat in my car,
and you know, and I know he's

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still with me because things happen.
He was. He was a like comedian,

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a trickster. He'd liked to joke
with people. And I've had my

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middle child who's had an experience where
she's had soap thrown at her in the

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bathroom. We had one of the
younger boys, that's a heavier boy that

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came to the house and slept over
and he had cookbooks thrown at him in

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the middle of the night, to
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So I know that's him because that's
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Do you ever acknowledge him? Though? And tried talking to him all the

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time, Oh, that's good.
And have you ever had actual communication where

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he's talking to you and stuff.
I've never had him actually speak to me.

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But I'll find things or see things
that I know are from him,

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but he hasn't really come through.
And I try to get him to speak

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to me, but I guess he's
not interested. I think he likes to

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just play his tricks more. I
love those nuances that they send us.

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I'm constantly telling readers of mine when
they ask, because you do have people

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that don't believe and will tell them
that's not that's not anything, don't even

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go here, And I tell them, you need to receive it and accept

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it whatever it is that came to
you and in a message in your head.

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If it told you it's your mom, or if it told you it's

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your dog, you need to believe
it. Because if it came to you

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in a cloud and they let you
know it's them, receive it and accept

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it and don't believe what anybody else
says to you. And I'm always getting

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signs all the time in different ways, and I tell them it could be

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in coins, it could be in
clouds, it could be in a dragonfly

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and a butterfly. As long as
you receive it and accept it, know

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it in your head, that's all
you need to know. Yeah, exactly,

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That's what I always say too.
So you died and had a near

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death experience, Huh, Yes,
it was. I didn't even know because

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I was watching everything from the snow
bank next to my car, so I

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thought I was out of the car
and it wasn't until I woke up in

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the car and I started yelling.
My friend actually was one of the paramedics

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on the scene, and I started
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I was just out because they were
cutting me out with the jaws of life.

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And he kept saying to me,
you were not out of this car,

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you were literally dead. And you
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mean I've interviewed quite a few people
about their near death experiences. I devoted

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a whole chapter on it, and
these people's encounters in my Warren County quarantine

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is another strange phenomenaal I literally had
a podcast discussion a few weeks ago with

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people who had near death experiences.
I wish I'd known that you did.

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I would have had gone. But
we could talk about it now. Right

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for me, what happened while I
was traveling to work, and believe it

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or not, I had a four
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snowy, icy day, but where
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and I made it up the big
mountain and I was doing fine, and

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then I got to this little tiny
downhill slope and I hit ice and I

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panicked. I was, you know, at twenty I hadn't really driven in

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bad weather, and when I slid, I hit the brakes and then I

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started flipping with the steering wheel and
I missed the first two telephone poles and

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hit the third one, and my
seatbelt didn't engage, so it threw me

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through the windshield, and then when
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it pulled me back in. And
I remember sitting on a snowbank crying,

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saying my dad was going to kill
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this old man came up to me
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oh, you need to get back
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And I woke up and it was
odd because my accident was right in

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front of the cemetery. Wow.
And he didn't know who the old guy

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was. Nope, I had no
idea, no clue at all who he

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was. All I knew was he
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in the car because it wasn't time
yet. Wow. So you didn't even

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have that the telltale go to the
light and go into the light experience that

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some people have. Now, I
honestly believe that it wasn't meant to happen.

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I wasn't supposed to be in that
situation because even with like all the

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injuries and things, the biggest injuries
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of course, but this was back
in the nineties, so I had big

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hair, lots of hairspread. We
were picking glass out of my hair for

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like weeks afterwards. But I had
to cut on my finger, that was

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it. Yep. Wow, even
though I was you know, when they

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got there, I had no posts. I wasn't breathing, you know,

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and I had my friend panicking.
My dad was at home literally listening to

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it on the police scanner, and
he knew it was me. Wow,

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But what a way to find out, huh. Yeah. And he literally

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waited and let my mom get ready
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he told her, you know,
you can't go into work today,

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Hollywood. Just in an accident is
so yeah. And he had said if

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he had seen the car before he
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he was coming to the hospital to
identify a body. H So you were

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able to just go home that night? Yep. Wow. He had a

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guardian angel man telling you, yeah, I believe that. I believe that's

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who came and you know was sitting
with me and calmed me down because I

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was more worried about the car and
what Dad was going to do and how

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he was going. Yeah, exactly, because we had just put a brand

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new transmission in the car. Oh
shoes. Yeah, wow, that's crazy,

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that's amazing. So I know that
people that have had near death experiences

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sometimes come back with gifts they never
had, or gifts that are more enhanced.

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Do you feel like anything like that
ever happened to you after you had

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your near Jeff experience. I would
get premonitions, but I always like,

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oh, you know, I blew
them off. I would think you know

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nothing of it, And you know, I don't know, because I don't

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know what gifts I would have had
if I hadn't stifled them at such a

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young age, because it's you know, when I was a child, I

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was seeing apparitions. I was you
know, I basically I was playing barbies

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with my girlfriend and told her that, you know, the share to leave

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because my grandmother died, and my
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to tell me that the hospital had
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So yeah, I used to freak
out my you know younger friends at the

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time when I would do things like
that, but I so, I don't

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know if it increased my gifts or
if it just helped them come through,

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you know, a few years later
when I went through like a huge trauma

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and that's what brought it out.
Yeah, it's really no way of knowing.

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So, I mean, with me
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one and me shutting it down.
When I did have that reawakening at thirty,

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premonition side of it never came back. So and I don't know if

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that was because I'm still stifling it
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or if it just wasn't meant to
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So it's interesting though that some people
who have never even had any kind of

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gifts suddenly come back and all of
a sudden there's this ability that they didn't

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even know existed, that you know, arisen and surfaced and they've got to

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figure out what this means to deal
with it. Yeah, I can't even

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imagine. At least when it happened
to me. I knew from when I

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was younger, but at the same
time when it happened, I did think

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I was going crazy, I'll bet
yeah. It was really really rough.

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I mean I spat. I kept
telling my husband to take me to the

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mental institutions. And because I literally
thought I was going insane. Wow,

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some good thing you figured it out. Yeah, well I know that you

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said that. With your best friend's
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for you sent you on the journey
of knowledge? Oh wow? What exactly

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how? It was weird because where
I grew up it wasn't far from Pittston,

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PA. And when I was little, I remember ed and Lorae Warren

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being there for the smirl hunting and
so what hunting was the Smirl sm ur

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l? It was a case in
Pitts MPa. I can't I remember when

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I was a child, like locals
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don't know what they called it in
their case studies, but I just remember,

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you know, hearing about them on
our local news, and you know,

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so at that point I really got
an interest in like, oh,

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what is this stuff? You know? And of course I never let anybody

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in my family know about it,
but I just absorbed everything I could about,

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you know, the paranormal supernatural information. And so when all of this

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happened with my friend. I knew
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out there, so I started seeking
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and were investigating the paranormal. And
you could be with like minded people,

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right Because I wanted to find answers
for myself, because I didn't care what,

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you know, the churches are telling
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me. I felt the only way
to know for sure was to try to

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find proof myself. Do you finally
get acceptance from me? A mom and

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dad? My dad got Alzheimer's disease
at a very young age. Oh,

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I'm sorry, so I you know, unfortunately, you know, started losing

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him in my twenties when I was
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really And he passed away when I
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and I was also and he was
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older when they had me. I
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sister and brother were ten and twelve
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definitely not planned. So they were
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was in his face when he passed
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I was. I wasn't an oopsie, but there was a child in between

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my sister and I, and she
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life. And they were eight and
twelve years older than I too, and

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so my parents they were up there
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parents that everybody thought my grandparents when
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I don't know if they aged well
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that issue, but you know,
they like they were older. But they

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also had my brother and sister young
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twenty. I can't believe he had
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and died in his fifties. Yeah, he had early. He had the

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early onset. He started showing signs
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that's so horrible. I'm so sorry
to hear that. Has he come back

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to you, Has he come to
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but I don't ever see him.
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my brother. People you want to
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times my brother around me, but
he doesn't attempt to communicate with me.

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I can feel him, though,
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I don't. I haven't ever had
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I always see little things that,
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But I think, you know,
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winter it see that you don't expect
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accept things? Mom has gotten a
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but you know, I've been on
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and you know, she finally came
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be different and I wasn't gonna fit
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should fit into. And so,
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You know, I wonder sometimes if
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you know, she she goes with
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travel, she always asked me what
happened? What did I experience? So

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she's gotten a lot better. Oh
that's good. I am impressed that you

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have become a paranormal teacher. Can
you elaborate on what you do? I

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mean, you had the opportunity to
study under many references in the field,

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and you were a guest a few
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quantings and near death experiences. It's
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Yeah, I really went in once. I once my kids got a little

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bit older. They weren't extremely older, but I really when my son had

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his experience, I started seeking out
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it because he for the longest time
he was telling me there was a black

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thing following him, and you know, in my mind, I went,

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oh, my goodness, it's got
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was I was afforded the opportunity to
study with so you know, pretty amazing

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people because I actually sought them out
for help. You know, I I

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my friend had told me about certain
TV shows and you know, we were

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in the car and we went off
to see them because I was just looking

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for one person to help me to
help me figure out what was going on

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with my son. And that's how
I actually met Lorraine Warren. And you

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know, she was the one who
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something dark he was seeing didn't mean
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when he because he was so young, his probably wasn't allowing the images

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to come directly through and then as
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realized that she was right because we
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on the battlefield and decided he wanted
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and he was he's the one that's
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it. Yeah, And he was
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see things, to the point we
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to keep things away from him.
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we filled with bells and stuff,
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go away, you know, go
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where he put a sign on his
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ghost sit in here. And so
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as he got older, he just
didn't Nope, I don't want to have

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anything to do with this anymore.
I'm tired of it. I don't want

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these things coming to me anymore.
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That's crazy. I used to see
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I was five, I think it
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it terrified me because I was a
kid and didn't know that he was just

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trying to get my attention because he
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I had my mom telling me,
oh, it's just a dream, it's

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just a dream. So wasn't until
I actually avoided seeing him by moving my

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room down into the basement that I
didn't see him anymore. And I always

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say to everybody, if I could
just go back to that house again and

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tell him I'm sorry. I understand
that she just wanted me to liften.

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But I was very lucky I did
get to go back to the house I

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grew up in to, you know, see if I could see those things

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again. I was able to stay
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six to eight months of his life. And you know, I did still

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have experiences. They were definitely a
lot different than I had in childhood,

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and it seemed like things didn't come
out more, but I would hear them

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and I would feel them, So, you know, for me, that

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was interesting. I was like,
are they hiding from me because I wouldn't

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listen to them when I was a
kid. Yeah, yeah, it could

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be. Who knows, I mean, you'll never know, unfortune. Yeah.

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Fortunately, now I can't go back
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And the woman that owned the house
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I know you investigated Melbourne Manor in
Iowa, the West Virginia Penitentiary in

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West Virginia, to bel Air House
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just to name a few. Yeah, what exactly is it that you do

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when you go on one of these
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what? I would go with teams? For a while, I was traveling

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with a group of friends. It
was like a girl's weekend, and you

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know most girls get together go shopping
and have wine. We got together to

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go ghost hunting. So yeah,
you know, for a while, like

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I was doing it, you know, on field trips with a team.

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And then after I was no longer
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I went out with my girlfriends and
that's you know, these what we did.

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Are they like minded or do they
have abilities like you? Or are

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they just doing it for fun?
It's a mix. Some have ability,

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some are very into the scientific side
of it, and others are doing it,

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you know, just to see what's
out there. What is your title

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and what is your job? Then
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because I don't think we really have
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It's basically we all do our own
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will not listen to like the historical
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don't do any of that. I
like to walk through and experience things and

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then corroborate it with my friends who
have gone on the tours to know where

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the hauntings are so and where all
the reports are. So I go into

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it completely cold. So I guess
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the psychic realm. I'm very bad
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so people try to avoid giving me
anything techie. So yeah, I

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would definitely say I'm more on the
psychic realm of things. And yeah,

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because I have had so many psychic
experiences in so many places, so you

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don't even use traditional methods like dowsing
rods. I do have dowsing rods.

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I have a pendulum that I'll use. I do you know different. I

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do automatic writing once in a while
if I'm feeling led to that, I

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have a notebook that I'll carry with
me and just sit in a location and

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just zone out and let whoever wants
to try to, you know, communicate

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through me if they can. I
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a location there where I actually had
a spirit like attached itself to me and

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Trice speaking through me. It was
the first time I had ever experienced that,

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so it kind of scared me.
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I don't remember a lot of it, I because my friend that was with

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me said she literally saw my eyes
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then she was trying to and I
listened to the recording afterwards and have absolutely

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zero memory of it happening because she
was trying to pull me up the basement

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steps and you could hear her screaming, I've got you, I've got you,

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and all I could say it was
like sounded like Gollum from Lord of

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the Rings yelling back to her,
I've got her. And you know,

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so everybody was panicked at that point, because in other parts of the house

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came like, you know, running
down to see what happened. But as

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soon as she got me outside of
the house, it went away. Wow.

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And yeah, it was just like
I woke up from a dream and

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I had until we listened back to
it, and you know, I didn't

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believe it happened, and other people
didn't believe it happened until they actually listened

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to the audio recording of it.
Well, that's amazing now that writing that

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you were speaking of a short time
ago. Did that ever warrant any kind

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of evidence that you could actually compare
to notes or what other people have told

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I do know at a location in
Maryland is where I did the most extensive

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part of it, and I did
have, you know, like jail cells

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come up, and then later in
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the back of the building that there
were actual jail cells. And but other

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than that, I've never, like
I've had once in a while, I've

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had like a couple of like initials
or letters, and it's sometimes it's you

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know, gone into like someone who
had lived in the home or someone who

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had been in the home. Mm
hmm. But that's the most. I

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don't do that one very often because
I'm just saying the technique. Sure,

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Well, you've conducted hundreds of private
investigations. I mean I've done quite a

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few myself, because readers of my
books reach out to me asking for my

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parentlem team to go in and see
what's going on? How do you get

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your private investigations? People know about
you in town or yeah, through I'd

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live in an area for some reason
that seems to be like in a real

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hot spot. And I've been doing
this for my goodness, it's like a

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little over thirty years now, So
like what people hear, hundreds, they're

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like, but it's not like I'm
every weekend going and doing private investigations.

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It's over a culmination of thirty years. And some of them have actually been

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repeat investigations. Like there's a home
locality here that is near It was a

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hospital for years and we would constantly
be going in there every so many months

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because their house was literally across the
parking lot from the emergency room entrance of

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the hospital. Now we haven't gotten
called out there in a long time since

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the hospital shut down, so thinking
that there was a correlation between the energy

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coming from the emergency room into their
home. And to top it, officers

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are speak easy in the basement during
prohibition, a combination of I've heard from

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so many people, even hospital employees, that there is so much activity in

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hospitals, and people who are in
the paranormal spiritual world have said that cleansing

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of hospitals could just be huge every
day, because I agree, it happens

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constantly, and some people who are
sensitive can't even go into a hospital feel

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comfortable there because it's just so overwhelming
the energy. Like my daughter as was

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born with a brain injury at birth
and at two years old, shoes operated

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on in Hopkins and the only peace
I felt was when I would go into

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Like they had an area in the
hospital for the Divine Mercy Chaplet, so

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we'd go in there and say,
because it was the only place I got

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peace. That's interesting they wouldn't go
around that area. Yeah, And I

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don't know why, maybe because they
knew people were praying and you know,

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dealing with their own stuff. But
and I know for me personally, like

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when I'm doing more public type of
investigations, I can honestly say asylums are

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my favorite, just because I feel
as a psychic I'm sharing the stories of

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the people and what they experienced in
those locations. For I currently live just

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outside of Raleigh, North Carolina and
Franklinton, And you mentioned a place called

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Ryan Institute. What exactly is that? Okay, Ryan used to actually be

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a part of Duke University and then
it kind of separated off onto its own

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and it is a parapsychology research center
where they research, you know, the

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paranormal and parapsychology and psychic abilities.
And I know the last time I was

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there, they were doing research about
I can't remember the exact term, but

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it was like ions that the body
produces, and they put people into a

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vacuum and they were studying like yogi's
and reiki masters and you know, psychics

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and all these different types of people
to see how much their bodies give off

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and during when they're doing this psychic
work to try to prove that the psychic

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energy is real. And they do
a lot of research on remote viewing and

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other different types of psychic and phenomena. Like I think it's once or twice

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a year they have something called the
Psygames where they actually like it's like an

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Olympics for psychics. So yeah,
and it's I can't remember it's I think

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it's in like the Raleigh Durham area. I know it's like right outside I

413
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think of Raleigh because I'm pretty sure
we stayed in Raleigh when we've been there,

414
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and it's just a little small,
you know building where they have all

415
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the old psychic experiments like lighting up
the light bulbs with your mind and they

416
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have you know, another light bulb
there where they try to get like collective

417
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energy to change the colors and they
do different types of psychic testing like the

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Zenner cards and things like that there. Well, how did you come to

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be there? We were actually on
a field trip when I was with the

420
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Paranormal Research Society down there, and
that was one of the locations that we

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actually went to to spend the day. You define remote viewing for the listeners.

422
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Remote viewing is basically when someone is
in one location but they can view

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what's happening in another location, but
they're not physically there and they probably like

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recorded just to see if what they're
saying what they're seeing right. It was

425
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very like they claim it was very
popular with like Project Stargate during the Cold

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War. Oh okay, yeah,
it was something that they they you know,

427
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there are claims that the government were
utilizing remote viewers to kind of like

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spy on other countries. Ooh,
it's like you can get into like reading

429
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on like Project mk Ultra and Project
Stargate kind of gets into that m.

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So what came out of that Ryan
experience. I basically got to learn about

431
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myself as a psychic person because I
did a lot of the psychic testing and

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you know, just seeing that there
are people out there that are still doing

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because there's only that I know of
two parapsychological organizations like that in the world,

434
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and one is in North Carolina and
the other one is in I believe

435
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it's Edinburgh, Scotland. You let
you know what your score was? Did

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they give you your score? Yeh? I know I scored extremely high because

437
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I had to beg everybody not to
tell people like what my score was,

438
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because I know, like they were
pretty shocked with how high my score was.

439
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Wow. So yeah, and I
was shocked myself because I was like,

440
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I didn't expect to do that.
Well, so that's how you said

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you learned so much about yourself?
Then yeah, it really is. And

442
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then from there, you know,
I basically learned. You know, the

443
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more you use it and the more
you practice with it, the better and

444
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stronger you get at it. Do
you devote any time regularly to doing that

445
00:35:55,119 --> 00:36:02,320
too? Enhancing? Kay? Really? Whatever? Well, I'm half Native

446
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,599
American, so you know when I
wake up in the morning, I do

447
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,440
La quota smudging ritual to just cleanse
my body in my mind, and then

448
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you know, I just try to
sit and like listen to what I call

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00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:21,079
like the collective consciousness to see if
there's anything around talking to me, if

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00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:24,719
I can feel anything, if I
can smell anything, or taste anything.

451
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And you know, I usually spend
I would say, good twenty minutes just

452
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:36,199
you know, trying to listen and
feel what's around me. Okay, and

453
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,360
what done. Pretty much, I
get on with my day because I'm you

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know, I'm still a housewife technically, but I'm also I have my little

455
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,079
small at home like crafting business.
So and then in the evenings I do

456
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,000
a lot of meditation and deep meditation
rituals, and of course you know,

457
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:59,639
I read cards and do try to
do some mediumship exercises with connecting to someone

458
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:04,239
on the other side. When you
say that you do meditation, I mean

459
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,519
I've always tried my hand at that, and I find it so difficult to

460
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:12,280
do that. Does it take time
to oh, yeah, get you.

461
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,280
I guess yes it does. For
me. When I first started doing it,

462
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,519
I have you know, complete ADHD
extremely bad. I don't like to

463
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:28,559
sit still. And I started out
in small increments, listening to something for

464
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:31,239
five minutes at a time where I
could completely try to focus on it,

465
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,800
and you know, every so many
weeks adding a few more minutes on it,

466
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,760
and now I can get myself.
I can allow myself to meditate for

467
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:45,719
about an hour. Now, Oh
that's great. Yeah, you read cards?

468
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,039
What do you mean by reading?
I do? I do read Taro,

469
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,519
but not often. I don't like
that as much as I do oracle

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00:37:53,599 --> 00:38:00,440
readings with oracle cards, and I'm
more of ant. Their oracle cards are

471
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,960
similar to Taro, but they're not
taro. You know, you get these

472
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,480
guide books that are strict about this
is what swords means, and this is

473
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,239
what the cups mean, and this
is what these things all mean. Where

474
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,679
oracle. For me, it's more
of an intuitive connection where I look at

475
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:21,360
the card and I ask the card
what it wants to tell me about the

476
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,800
person I'm reading for or myself what
message I need to hear, And yeah,

477
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,360
I have. I've been doing that, oh my goodness, for a

478
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:34,280
very long time. I started with
Taro when I was younger, in my

479
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,519
teen years, and then someone introduced
me to the oracle cards, and there's

480
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:43,280
so many different ones out there depending
upon what you connect with as a person.

481
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:47,360
You don't just randomly do the cards
at home for yourself. You're doing

482
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,360
these for clients. I actually do
readings for myself. I try to put

483
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,360
one card in the morning to tell
me, like, you know, where

484
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,440
I'm at and what I you know, what I should be folk fusing on

485
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,800
for the day, and then in
the evenings I try to pull another one

486
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,559
as a guide. Yeah, guy, yeah, kind of like you know,

487
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:15,119
like as a guide for myself.
No. I mentioned that your focus

488
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:19,280
over the last two years has been
writing and aiding new and young paranormal investigators

489
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,559
on their paths in the field.
Right, where do you find these paranormal

490
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:30,760
investigators? Sometimes they just land in
my lap. Honestly, I find,

491
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,599
you know, especially in the area
I live in, I have a lot

492
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:37,320
of younger people who know what I
do, especially like from my kids and

493
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,960
from other people that I've worked with
in the area. So I've been yeah

494
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,679
pretty much and you know, and
that's that's basically how I got involved with

495
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:51,559
Phantom Detectives. Is my friend in
Canada, believe it or not, had

496
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:55,880
met Joshua and recommended, Hey,
you should connect with this person. And

497
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,639
you know, Joshua and I connected, and you know, I've been working

498
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,920
with him with developing this whole spirituality
and a cult research department. One thing

499
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,440
leads to another, right exactly.
And I think people come into our lives

500
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,679
when they're meant to be. And
I was just getting ready after a long

501
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:19,760
sabbatical during COVID to jump back in
to it, and he fell right into

502
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,239
my lap. You know. I've
been talking to younger kids in the area,

503
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,679
teaching them, especially for me,
the importance of learning how to be

504
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:32,480
safe as an investigator and learning how
to be respectful, like because I know

505
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:36,719
a lot of kids my son's age, they want to break into places.

506
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,039
They want to you know, they
want to do things that are dangerous,

507
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:45,239
not only you know, physically,
but also psychically with not knowing you know,

508
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:50,199
are you going into a building that
at Those are the two most important

509
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,599
things I think. Absolutely, Respecting
spirit because they were human in life,

510
00:40:54,599 --> 00:41:01,800
they're human in death. And be
safe about those other things that you really

511
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,000
don't consider when you're doing something,
and even what you may encounter and being

512
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,559
able to handle it and be prepared
for it. And I know from being

513
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:14,920
a young investigator myself. When I
started, That's how I was. I

514
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,360
didn't think about the cost of my
health and you know, getting injured.

515
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,320
Yeah, I just wanted to go, Oh, there's an empty building here,

516
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,679
Well let's go, you know.
And so I think it's really important

517
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,760
for us as older investigators to really
work with the younger ones to say,

518
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:37,440
hey, be safe, be respectful. Right, thing's the right way.

519
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,880
Yeah, oh that's wonderful. Well
how does one find you and what do

520
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,079
they need to do? Because now
you're on my show and people be listened

521
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:52,480
to it, I would find her. Well, I have a Facebook page.

522
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:58,159
It's a business Facebook. It's just
Holyfaust, author and psychic medium.

523
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,400
I'm also on TikTok, though I
haven't been as active as lately, but

524
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:07,079
you can find me there is Native
Crafty Witch. We're hoping to get more

525
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,440
active. It's I've had like a
one year where i haven't really done a

526
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:16,440
lot of anything and I'm slowly now
getting back in the group. So the

527
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,519
and yeah, we're going to be
sharing a lot of information on TikTok about

528
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:27,440
hauntings and experiences and things like that. I books on Amazon, two of

529
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:34,320
them. There's two more coming out
the names. My first book was called

530
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,679
My Journey Out of Darkness and that's
just the story of how I got involved

531
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:44,800
in the paranormal and the early years
of my career. And then my second

532
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,719
one is for people that are interested
more in you know, the witch movement,

533
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,559
and it's just called The Witch's Book
of Things, and it just speaks

534
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:59,679
about simple you know, truth behind
magic. Gotcha And you said native on

535
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:06,239
TikTok, your need of what need
is crafty crafty? And then with w

536
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:13,719
I t h gotcha because I'm gonna
find you on TikTok and I'm going to

537
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,079
just let me know it's you because
I am at the point now where I

538
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:23,719
can't. I'm they only allow you
to follow ten thousand people, so I'm

539
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:30,960
constantly deleting people to add people that
I actually know. It looks like it

540
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,800
looks like the picture is like a
little pink girl emoji kind of thing.

541
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,280
Is that you did? That is
my business? Yeah? That is my

542
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:45,840
one of the pictures I did for
my business. So gotcha. Okay,

543
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,760
Yeah, I just followed you and
you'll see me. I'm author Ellen o'

544
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,840
wacker, so you'll have my little
through there. So you should be able

545
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,840
to see you. Yes, I've
got you all right. So I found

546
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,159
her, so anybody out there who's
looking for her will be able to find

547
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:00,599
her too. And on Facebook is
pretty easy. Hollyfaust, so yeah,

548
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,239
it's Hollyfaust. And then I have
like author and psychic medium after it because

549
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,360
it's a business page. Wonderful.
Well, thank you so much for this

550
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,239
lovely conversation. I appreciate you coming
and spending some time with me. Thank

551
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,519
you very much for having me.
I appreciate it. And to my listeners

552
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,920
out there, if you like listening
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553
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,440
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555
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557
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558
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:47,840
but you can get signed copies directly
through me at author Eleanorwager at gmail dot

559
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of the town and location. I add

560
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,199
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