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always creeping it real. I'm your host. Eleanor Wagner. Day's guest is
the Occult Simple Spiritual Beliefs Researcher for Phantom Detectives LLC. He's a paranormal investigator,
writer, researcher, soteric minister, Reiki master and teacher, psychic medium,
and child advocate. She got interested in the paranormal at a young age
watching documentaries with her dad and when she started hearing and seeing things no one
else could. Her interest came to fruition in nineteen ninety after the death of
her closest friend. Many told her he wouldn't go to heaven because of his
suicide, which started her on her quest for knowledge. At twenty years old,
she was in a severe car accident and was what first responders stated as
dead and had a near death experience. Over the last decade, she has
put a primary focus on spirituality and occult research working on touching and working on
teaching investigators the importance of the client spirituality in the investigative process, along with
the importance of historical research. She also strives to aid others in a better
understanding of cults and symbols. She has been investigating for over thirty years and
has had the opportunity to investigate many locations throughout the United States, having spent
a large amount of time in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, researching intelligent and residual hauntings.
Please join me in welcoming College Fast Okome. Thank you. I appreciate
you coming. I appreciate you having me. I hear from a lot of
people that I interview that as children, they seen hear things that they can't
explain, and a lot of how things turn out depends on how the adults
raising them respond to the situation. How was it with your dad and other
adult figures? My dad, I really didn't talk about it a lot with
him because when I had said something to my mom, my mom was a
devout Catholic and she freaked out and took me to our parish priest and told
them to exercise. So I kind of stifled it for a very long time.
Yeah, I do definitely hear that a lot. Yeah, I definitely
kept it, probably until my mid twenties is when it finally came back out
again. So weird because I mean my stifled the gifts that I had to.
And it wasn't because my mom was a devo Catholic. She was,
but it wasn't that she received it the way your mom did. She more
or less kind of just didn't think it was anything. It was they were
nightmares and it wasn't It wasn't anything. So I used to have premonitions as
a kid, and they were pretty simple things. But when something really traumatic
happened, they came to me in dreams. That's when I shut down.
And it wasn't until I was thirty that I started picking up where I left
off. And I find it very intriguing how everybody's situation is so different.
I mean, there were kids that were like you and I that had these
experiences and they had families that were extremely supportive and helped them to grow their
gifts. And I see them now the same ages that I am, and
they're so far more along then I. I mean, I know we all
have our journeys and stuff like that. But it just is very intriguing to
see the similarities in how they turn out. Yeah, I've noticed that too
with a lot of kids I've worked with, and even my own. Your
children, Your children are gifted too with the spiritual out All three of them
had some sort of gift. My oldest chose to ignore his and stifle it,
the middle one doesn't like to deal with it at all, and my
youngest one is all into it. That wasn't that funny out of mine too,
The one is afraid of it, and the older one is embracing it
and trying to learn what she can. So it's interesting that you would say
that, Yeah, maybe maybe the ones that shut it down might change their
mind later on. That's also something that I've seen a lot with people that
I've interviewed that might have shut it down and then later on picked it up
or weren't interested, or what have you. Something happens that is so point
in the life that says, I got to figure out what this is?
So right? It must have been very upsetting for you when people were so
inconsiderate and said to you, your best friend wouldn't go to heaven because his
death was a suicide. It was so hard because he was I had experienced
death in my life before that, but he was, Oh my goodness,
my closest friend since like kindergarten. I still have a little necklace that he
gave me in the first grade when he came up and kissed me on the
playground and said, will you be my girl forever? Oh? You know,
And a lot of it was because of, you know, his sexuality
and the fact that people couldn't accept who he was. Wow, has he
ever come to you since death that you've seen him? Yes. I was
actually at an event, at a seance, and I started like things were
happening in the room and people were asking questions and I was shying away from
asking are you with me? Or is it you who you know? And
then people are like, did you commit suicide? Are you sorry for what
you did? You know? And then finally someone else in the room said
are you here with Holly? And the table started shaking and the curtains started
blowing, and I was like, oh boy, oh, I saw you
do. And then that night, when I was driving home, because it
was about an hour and twenty minute drive for me home, I literally looked
in my rearview there on the interstate, and I could see him sitting in
the back seat in my car, and you know, and I know he's
still with me because things happen. He was. He was a like comedian,
a trickster. He'd liked to joke with people. And I've had my
middle child who's had an experience where she's had soap thrown at her in the
bathroom. We had one of the younger boys, that's a heavier boy that
came to the house and slept over and he had cookbooks thrown at him in
the middle of the night, to the point he still won't sleep downstairs alone.
So I know that's him because that's the type of person he was.
Do you ever acknowledge him? Though? And tried talking to him all the
time, Oh, that's good. And have you ever had actual communication where
he's talking to you and stuff. I've never had him actually speak to me.
But I'll find things or see things that I know are from him,
but he hasn't really come through. And I try to get him to speak
to me, but I guess he's not interested. I think he likes to
just play his tricks more. I love those nuances that they send us.
I'm constantly telling readers of mine when they ask, because you do have people
that don't believe and will tell them that's not that's not anything, don't even
go here, And I tell them, you need to receive it and accept
it whatever it is that came to you and in a message in your head.
If it told you it's your mom, or if it told you it's
your dog, you need to believe it. Because if it came to you
in a cloud and they let you know it's them, receive it and accept
it and don't believe what anybody else says to you. And I'm always getting
signs all the time in different ways, and I tell them it could be
in coins, it could be in clouds, it could be in a dragonfly
and a butterfly. As long as you receive it and accept it, know
it in your head, that's all you need to know. Yeah, exactly,
That's what I always say too. So you died and had a near
death experience, Huh, Yes, it was. I didn't even know because
I was watching everything from the snow bank next to my car, so I
thought I was out of the car and it wasn't until I woke up in
the car and I started yelling. My friend actually was one of the paramedics
on the scene, and I started yelling and I just opened the door.
I was just out because they were cutting me out with the jaws of life.
And he kept saying to me, you were not out of this car,
you were literally dead. And you know I remember by this, I
mean I've interviewed quite a few people about their near death experiences. I devoted
a whole chapter on it, and these people's encounters in my Warren County quarantine
is another strange phenomenaal I literally had a podcast discussion a few weeks ago with
people who had near death experiences. I wish I'd known that you did.
I would have had gone. But we could talk about it now. Right
for me, what happened while I was traveling to work, and believe it
or not, I had a four wheel drive vehicle and it was a really
snowy, icy day, but where I lived, the roads were fine,
and I made it up the big mountain and I was doing fine, and
then I got to this little tiny downhill slope and I hit ice and I
panicked. I was, you know, at twenty I hadn't really driven in
bad weather, and when I slid, I hit the brakes and then I
started flipping with the steering wheel and I missed the first two telephone poles and
hit the third one, and my seatbelt didn't engage, so it threw me
through the windshield, and then when I was partly out of the windshield,
it pulled me back in. And I remember sitting on a snowbank crying,
saying my dad was going to kill me, and oh my goodness. And
this old man came up to me and just told me, you know,
oh, you need to get back in the car. It's not time yet.
And I woke up and it was odd because my accident was right in
front of the cemetery. Wow. And he didn't know who the old guy
was. Nope, I had no idea, no clue at all who he
was. All I knew was he was telling me I needed to get back
in the car because it wasn't time yet. Wow. So you didn't even
have that the telltale go to the light and go into the light experience that
some people have. Now, I honestly believe that it wasn't meant to happen.
I wasn't supposed to be in that situation because even with like all the
injuries and things, the biggest injuries that I had were to my head,
of course, but this was back in the nineties, so I had big
hair, lots of hairspread. We were picking glass out of my hair for
like weeks afterwards. But I had to cut on my finger, that was
it. Yep. Wow, even though I was you know, when they
got there, I had no posts. I wasn't breathing, you know,
and I had my friend panicking. My dad was at home literally listening to
it on the police scanner, and he knew it was me. Wow,
But what a way to find out, huh. Yeah. And he literally
waited and let my mom get ready for work, and when she came downstairs,
he told her, you know, you can't go into work today,
Hollywood. Just in an accident is so yeah. And he had said if
he had seen the car before he had seen me, he would have thought
he was coming to the hospital to identify a body. H So you were
able to just go home that night? Yep. Wow. He had a
guardian angel man telling you, yeah, I believe that. I believe that's
who came and you know was sitting with me and calmed me down because I
was more worried about the car and what Dad was going to do and how
he was going. Yeah, exactly, because we had just put a brand
new transmission in the car. Oh shoes. Yeah, wow, that's crazy,
that's amazing. So I know that people that have had near death experiences
sometimes come back with gifts they never had, or gifts that are more enhanced.
Do you feel like anything like that ever happened to you after you had
your near Jeff experience. I would get premonitions, but I always like,
oh, you know, I blew them off. I would think you know
nothing of it, And you know, I don't know, because I don't
know what gifts I would have had if I hadn't stifled them at such a
young age, because it's you know, when I was a child, I
was seeing apparitions. I was you know, I basically I was playing barbies
with my girlfriend and told her that, you know, the share to leave
because my grandmother died, and my mother came up like a half hour later
to tell me that the hospital had just called and my grandmother passed away.
So yeah, I used to freak out my you know younger friends at the
time when I would do things like that, but I so, I don't
know if it increased my gifts or if it just helped them come through,
you know, a few years later when I went through like a huge trauma
and that's what brought it out. Yeah, it's really no way of knowing.
So, I mean, with me with the premonitions and having that traumatic
one and me shutting it down. When I did have that reawakening at thirty,
premonition side of it never came back. So and I don't know if
that was because I'm still stifling it even though I'm not intentionally doing it,
or if it just wasn't meant to be, you know what I mean.
So it's interesting though that some people who have never even had any kind of
gifts suddenly come back and all of a sudden there's this ability that they didn't
even know existed, that you know, arisen and surfaced and they've got to
figure out what this means to deal with it. Yeah, I can't even
imagine. At least when it happened to me. I knew from when I
was younger, but at the same time when it happened, I did think
I was going crazy, I'll bet yeah. It was really really rough.
I mean I spat. I kept telling my husband to take me to the
mental institutions. And because I literally thought I was going insane. Wow,
some good thing you figured it out. Yeah, well I know that you
said that. With your best friend's death and how the public treated his death
for you sent you on the journey of knowledge? Oh wow? What exactly
how? It was weird because where I grew up it wasn't far from Pittston,
PA. And when I was little, I remember ed and Lorae Warren
being there for the smirl hunting and so what hunting was the Smirl sm ur
l? It was a case in Pitts MPa. I can't I remember when
I was a child, like locals called it like the hell house. I
don't know what they called it in their case studies, but I just remember,
you know, hearing about them on our local news, and you know,
so at that point I really got an interest in like, oh,
what is this stuff? You know? And of course I never let anybody
in my family know about it, but I just absorbed everything I could about,
you know, the paranormal supernatural information. And so when all of this
happened with my friend. I knew that there was things out there and people
out there, so I started seeking people that had an interest in the paranormal
and were investigating the paranormal. And you could be with like minded people,
right Because I wanted to find answers for myself, because I didn't care what,
you know, the churches are telling me, what other people were telling
me. I felt the only way to know for sure was to try to
find proof myself. Do you finally get acceptance from me? A mom and
dad? My dad got Alzheimer's disease at a very young age. Oh,
I'm sorry, so I you know, unfortunately, you know, started losing
him in my twenties when I was really getting heavily involved again in this that's
really And he passed away when I was in my probably late twenties early thirties,
and I was also and he was older. Him and my mom were
older when they had me. I was one of those oopsie babies because my
sister and brother were ten and twelve when I was born, so I was
definitely not planned. So they were older when they had me. So he
was in his face when he passed away. Came kind of the same situation
I was. I wasn't an oopsie, but there was a child in between
my sister and I, and she passed away, so I came later in
life. And they were eight and twelve years older than I too, and
so my parents they were up there in age. So I always had the
parents that everybody thought my grandparents when I was. I was lucky they were.
I don't know if they aged well or you know, I didn't have
that issue, but you know, they like they were older. But they
also had my brother and sister young because they were married when my mom was
twenty. I can't believe he had out so I was so young though,
and died in his fifties. Yeah, he had early. He had the
early onset. He started showing signs in his forties. Oh my gosh,
that's so horrible. I'm so sorry to hear that. Has he come back
to you, Has he come to see you at all? I see signs,
but I don't ever see him. And I had the same eularians with
my brother. People you want to say, I think I can feel at
times my brother around me, but he doesn't attempt to communicate with me.
I can feel him, though, and I can feel my dad, but
I don't. I haven't ever had any communication with either of them. And
I always see little things that, you know, remind me and my dad.
But I think, you know, he sent me like a butterfly and
winter it see that you don't expect to see. Sure, now did mom
accept things? Mom has gotten a lot better. It took her a while,
but you know, I've been on my whole, my own journey,
and you know, she finally came to accept that I was always going to
be different and I wasn't gonna fit in this little box that she felt I
should fit into. And so, yeah, she she listens to my stories.
You know, I wonder sometimes if she believes them or not, but
you know, she she goes with it. When I come back from my
travel, she always asked me what happened? What did I experience? So
she's gotten a lot better. Oh that's good. I am impressed that you
have become a paranormal teacher. Can you elaborate on what you do? I
mean, you had the opportunity to study under many references in the field,
and you were a guest a few times on Paranormal Insider Radio discussing Getty's for
quantings and near death experiences. It's amazing to me, it really is.
Yeah, I really went in once. I once my kids got a little
bit older. They weren't extremely older, but I really when my son had
his experience, I started seeking out investigators to help me explain it and understand
it because he for the longest time he was telling me there was a black
thing following him, and you know, in my mind, I went,
oh, my goodness, it's got to be something demonic. And so I
was I was afforded the opportunity to study with so you know, pretty amazing
people because I actually sought them out for help. You know, I I
my friend had told me about certain TV shows and you know, we were
in the car and we went off to see them because I was just looking
for one person to help me to help me figure out what was going on
with my son. And that's how I actually met Lorraine Warren. And you
know, she was the one who explained to me that just because it was
something dark he was seeing didn't mean it was actually evil. And you know,
when he because he was so young, his probably wasn't allowing the images
to come directly through and then as he got a little bit older, I
realized that she was right because we were in Gettysburg and he saw a soldier
on the battlefield and decided he wanted to follow it, so, you know,
and he was he's the one that's now stifled everything anything to do with
it. Yeah, And he was very gifted. I mean he constantly would
see things, to the point we made him little jars to teach him how
to keep things away from him. He had like a little salt shaker that
we filled with bells and stuff, and he would shake it and say,
go away, you know, go away. And he got to a point
where he put a sign on his door that would say, like, no
ghost sit in here. And so he learned ways to protect himself, and
as he got older, he just didn't Nope, I don't want to have
anything to do with this anymore. I'm tired of it. I don't want
these things coming to me anymore. And he was able to shut it off.
That's crazy. I used to see it as a dark shadow, and
I was five, I think it was the first time, and of course
it terrified me because I was a kid and didn't know that he was just
trying to get my attention because he knew I could see him, and then
I had my mom telling me, oh, it's just a dream, it's
just a dream. So wasn't until I actually avoided seeing him by moving my
room down into the basement that I didn't see him anymore. And I always
say to everybody, if I could just go back to that house again and
tell him I'm sorry. I understand that she just wanted me to liften.
But I was very lucky I did get to go back to the house I
grew up in to, you know, see if I could see those things
again. I was able to stay there with my dad for the last probably
six to eight months of his life. And you know, I did still
have experiences. They were definitely a lot different than I had in childhood,
and it seemed like things didn't come out more, but I would hear them
and I would feel them, So, you know, for me, that
was interesting. I was like, are they hiding from me because I wouldn't
listen to them when I was a kid. Yeah, yeah, it could
be. Who knows, I mean, you'll never know, unfortune. Yeah.
Fortunately, now I can't go back because my mom doesn't live there anymore.
And the woman that owned the house passed away. So yeah, well,
I know you investigated Melbourne Manor in Iowa, the West Virginia Penitentiary in
West Virginia, to bel Air House in Maryland, Mansfield Reformatory in Ohio,
just to name a few. Yeah, what exactly is it that you do
when you go on one of these investigations? Are you with the team or
what? I would go with teams? For a while, I was traveling
with a group of friends. It was like a girl's weekend, and you
know most girls get together go shopping and have wine. We got together to
go ghost hunting. So yeah, you know, for a while, like
I was doing it, you know, on field trips with a team.
And then after I was no longer you know, going with that team,
I went out with my girlfriends and that's you know, these what we did.
Are they like minded or do they have abilities like you? Or are
they just doing it for fun? It's a mix. Some have ability,
some are very into the scientific side of it, and others are doing it,
you know, just to see what's out there. What is your title
and what is your job? Then when you do that, I don't know
because I don't think we really have titles within you know, our friends group.
It's basically we all do our own thing like I like to. I
will not listen to like the historical I won't go on the tours. I
don't do any of that. I like to walk through and experience things and
then corroborate it with my friends who have gone on the tours to know where
the hauntings are so and where all the reports are. So I go into
it completely cold. So I guess you could say I kind of work in
the psychic realm. I'm very bad with tech. I tend to break it,
so people try to avoid giving me anything techie. So yeah, I
would definitely say I'm more on the psychic realm of things. And yeah,
because I have had so many psychic experiences in so many places, so you
don't even use traditional methods like dowsing rods. I do have dowsing rods.
I have a pendulum that I'll use. I do you know different. I
do automatic writing once in a while if I'm feeling led to that, I
have a notebook that I'll carry with me and just sit in a location and
just zone out and let whoever wants to try to, you know, communicate
through me if they can. I did have an experience in Union Town at
a location there where I actually had a spirit like attached itself to me and
Trice speaking through me. It was the first time I had ever experienced that,
so it kind of scared me. Yeah, what that feel like.
I don't remember a lot of it, I because my friend that was with
me said she literally saw my eyes roll into the back of my head and
then she was trying to and I listened to the recording afterwards and have absolutely
zero memory of it happening because she was trying to pull me up the basement
steps and you could hear her screaming, I've got you, I've got you,
and all I could say it was like sounded like Gollum from Lord of
the Rings yelling back to her, I've got her. And you know,
so everybody was panicked at that point, because in other parts of the house
came like, you know, running down to see what happened. But as
soon as she got me outside of the house, it went away. Wow.
And yeah, it was just like I woke up from a dream and
I had until we listened back to it, and you know, I didn't
believe it happened, and other people didn't believe it happened until they actually listened
to the audio recording of it. Well, that's amazing now that writing that
you were speaking of a short time ago. Did that ever warrant any kind
of evidence that you could actually compare to notes or what other people have told
I do know at a location in Maryland is where I did the most extensive
part of it, and I did have, you know, like jail cells
come up, and then later in the evening we found out way way in
the back of the building that there were actual jail cells. And but other
than that, I've never, like I've had once in a while, I've
had like a couple of like initials or letters, and it's sometimes it's you
know, gone into like someone who had lived in the home or someone who
had been in the home. Mm hmm. But that's the most. I
don't do that one very often because I'm just saying the technique. Sure,
Well, you've conducted hundreds of private investigations. I mean I've done quite a
few myself, because readers of my books reach out to me asking for my
parentlem team to go in and see what's going on? How do you get
your private investigations? People know about you in town or yeah, through I'd
live in an area for some reason that seems to be like in a real
hot spot. And I've been doing this for my goodness, it's like a
little over thirty years now, So like what people hear, hundreds, they're
like, but it's not like I'm every weekend going and doing private investigations.
It's over a culmination of thirty years. And some of them have actually been
repeat investigations. Like there's a home locality here that is near It was a
hospital for years and we would constantly be going in there every so many months
because their house was literally across the parking lot from the emergency room entrance of
the hospital. Now we haven't gotten called out there in a long time since
the hospital shut down, so thinking that there was a correlation between the energy
coming from the emergency room into their home. And to top it, officers
are speak easy in the basement during prohibition, a combination of I've heard from
so many people, even hospital employees, that there is so much activity in
hospitals, and people who are in the paranormal spiritual world have said that cleansing
of hospitals could just be huge every day, because I agree, it happens
constantly, and some people who are sensitive can't even go into a hospital feel
comfortable there because it's just so overwhelming the energy. Like my daughter as was
born with a brain injury at birth and at two years old, shoes operated
on in Hopkins and the only peace I felt was when I would go into
Like they had an area in the hospital for the Divine Mercy Chaplet, so
we'd go in there and say, because it was the only place I got
peace. That's interesting they wouldn't go around that area. Yeah, And I
don't know why, maybe because they knew people were praying and you know,
dealing with their own stuff. But and I know for me personally, like
when I'm doing more public type of investigations, I can honestly say asylums are
my favorite, just because I feel as a psychic I'm sharing the stories of
the people and what they experienced in those locations. For I currently live just
outside of Raleigh, North Carolina and Franklinton, And you mentioned a place called
Ryan Institute. What exactly is that? Okay, Ryan used to actually be
a part of Duke University and then it kind of separated off onto its own
and it is a parapsychology research center where they research, you know, the
paranormal and parapsychology and psychic abilities. And I know the last time I was
there, they were doing research about I can't remember the exact term, but
it was like ions that the body produces, and they put people into a
vacuum and they were studying like yogi's and reiki masters and you know, psychics
and all these different types of people to see how much their bodies give off
and during when they're doing this psychic work to try to prove that the psychic
energy is real. And they do a lot of research on remote viewing and
other different types of psychic and phenomena. Like I think it's once or twice
a year they have something called the Psygames where they actually like it's like an
Olympics for psychics. So yeah, and it's I can't remember it's I think
it's in like the Raleigh Durham area. I know it's like right outside I
think of Raleigh because I'm pretty sure we stayed in Raleigh when we've been there,
and it's just a little small, you know building where they have all
the old psychic experiments like lighting up the light bulbs with your mind and they
have you know, another light bulb there where they try to get like collective
energy to change the colors and they do different types of psychic testing like the
Zenner cards and things like that there. Well, how did you come to
be there? We were actually on a field trip when I was with the
Paranormal Research Society down there, and that was one of the locations that we
actually went to to spend the day. You define remote viewing for the listeners.
Remote viewing is basically when someone is in one location but they can view
what's happening in another location, but they're not physically there and they probably like
recorded just to see if what they're saying what they're seeing right. It was
very like they claim it was very popular with like Project Stargate during the Cold
War. Oh okay, yeah, it was something that they they you know,
there are claims that the government were utilizing remote viewers to kind of like
spy on other countries. Ooh, it's like you can get into like reading
on like Project mk Ultra and Project Stargate kind of gets into that m.
So what came out of that Ryan experience. I basically got to learn about
myself as a psychic person because I did a lot of the psychic testing and
you know, just seeing that there are people out there that are still doing
because there's only that I know of two parapsychological organizations like that in the world,
and one is in North Carolina and the other one is in I believe
it's Edinburgh, Scotland. You let you know what your score was? Did
they give you your score? Yeh? I know I scored extremely high because
I had to beg everybody not to tell people like what my score was,
because I know, like they were pretty shocked with how high my score was.
Wow. So yeah, and I was shocked myself because I was like,
I didn't expect to do that. Well, so that's how you said
you learned so much about yourself? Then yeah, it really is. And
then from there, you know, I basically learned. You know, the
more you use it and the more you practice with it, the better and
stronger you get at it. Do you devote any time regularly to doing that
too? Enhancing? Kay? Really? Whatever? Well, I'm half Native
American, so you know when I wake up in the morning, I do
La quota smudging ritual to just cleanse my body in my mind, and then
you know, I just try to sit and like listen to what I call
like the collective consciousness to see if there's anything around talking to me, if
I can feel anything, if I can smell anything, or taste anything.
And you know, I usually spend I would say, good twenty minutes just
you know, trying to listen and feel what's around me. Okay, and
what done. Pretty much, I get on with my day because I'm you
know, I'm still a housewife technically, but I'm also I have my little
small at home like crafting business. So and then in the evenings I do
a lot of meditation and deep meditation rituals, and of course you know,
I read cards and do try to do some mediumship exercises with connecting to someone
on the other side. When you say that you do meditation, I mean
I've always tried my hand at that, and I find it so difficult to
do that. Does it take time to oh, yeah, get you.
I guess yes it does. For me. When I first started doing it,
I have you know, complete ADHD extremely bad. I don't like to
sit still. And I started out in small increments, listening to something for
five minutes at a time where I could completely try to focus on it,
and you know, every so many weeks adding a few more minutes on it,
and now I can get myself. I can allow myself to meditate for
about an hour. Now, Oh that's great. Yeah, you read cards?
What do you mean by reading? I do? I do read Taro,
but not often. I don't like that as much as I do oracle
readings with oracle cards, and I'm more of ant. Their oracle cards are
similar to Taro, but they're not taro. You know, you get these
guide books that are strict about this is what swords means, and this is
what the cups mean, and this is what these things all mean. Where
oracle. For me, it's more of an intuitive connection where I look at
the card and I ask the card what it wants to tell me about the
person I'm reading for or myself what message I need to hear, And yeah,
I have. I've been doing that, oh my goodness, for a
very long time. I started with Taro when I was younger, in my
teen years, and then someone introduced me to the oracle cards, and there's
so many different ones out there depending upon what you connect with as a person.
You don't just randomly do the cards at home for yourself. You're doing
these for clients. I actually do readings for myself. I try to put
one card in the morning to tell me, like, you know, where
I'm at and what I you know, what I should be folk fusing on
for the day, and then in the evenings I try to pull another one
as a guide. Yeah, guy, yeah, kind of like you know,
like as a guide for myself. No. I mentioned that your focus
over the last two years has been writing and aiding new and young paranormal investigators
on their paths in the field. Right, where do you find these paranormal
investigators? Sometimes they just land in my lap. Honestly, I find,
you know, especially in the area I live in, I have a lot
of younger people who know what I do, especially like from my kids and
from other people that I've worked with in the area. So I've been yeah
pretty much and you know, and that's that's basically how I got involved with
Phantom Detectives. Is my friend in Canada, believe it or not, had
met Joshua and recommended, Hey, you should connect with this person. And
you know, Joshua and I connected, and you know, I've been working
with him with developing this whole spirituality and a cult research department. One thing
leads to another, right exactly. And I think people come into our lives
when they're meant to be. And I was just getting ready after a long
sabbatical during COVID to jump back in to it, and he fell right into
my lap. You know. I've been talking to younger kids in the area,
teaching them, especially for me, the importance of learning how to be
safe as an investigator and learning how to be respectful, like because I know
a lot of kids my son's age, they want to break into places.
They want to you know, they want to do things that are dangerous,
not only you know, physically, but also psychically with not knowing you know,
are you going into a building that at Those are the two most important
things I think. Absolutely, Respecting spirit because they were human in life,
they're human in death. And be safe about those other things that you really
don't consider when you're doing something, and even what you may encounter and being
able to handle it and be prepared for it. And I know from being
a young investigator myself. When I started, That's how I was. I
didn't think about the cost of my health and you know, getting injured.
Yeah, I just wanted to go, Oh, there's an empty building here,
Well let's go, you know. And so I think it's really important
for us as older investigators to really work with the younger ones to say,
hey, be safe, be respectful. Right, thing's the right way.
Yeah, oh that's wonderful. Well how does one find you and what do
they need to do? Because now you're on my show and people be listened
to it, I would find her. Well, I have a Facebook page.
It's a business Facebook. It's just Holyfaust, author and psychic medium.
I'm also on TikTok, though I haven't been as active as lately, but
you can find me there is Native Crafty Witch. We're hoping to get more
active. It's I've had like a one year where i haven't really done a
lot of anything and I'm slowly now getting back in the group. So the
and yeah, we're going to be sharing a lot of information on TikTok about
hauntings and experiences and things like that. I books on Amazon, two of
them. There's two more coming out the names. My first book was called
My Journey Out of Darkness and that's just the story of how I got involved
in the paranormal and the early years of my career. And then my second
one is for people that are interested more in you know, the witch movement,
and it's just called The Witch's Book of Things, and it just speaks
about simple you know, truth behind magic. Gotcha And you said native on
TikTok, your need of what need is crafty crafty? And then with w
I t h gotcha because I'm gonna find you on TikTok and I'm going to
just let me know it's you because I am at the point now where I
can't. I'm they only allow you to follow ten thousand people, so I'm
constantly deleting people to add people that I actually know. It looks like it
looks like the picture is like a little pink girl emoji kind of thing.
Is that you did? That is my business? Yeah? That is my
one of the pictures I did for my business. So gotcha. Okay,
Yeah, I just followed you and you'll see me. I'm author Ellen o'
wacker, so you'll have my little through there. So you should be able
to see you. Yes, I've got you all right. So I found
her, so anybody out there who's looking for her will be able to find
her too. And on Facebook is pretty easy. Hollyfaust, so yeah,
it's Hollyfaust. And then I have like author and psychic medium after it because
it's a business page. Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for this
lovely conversation. I appreciate you coming and spending some time with me. Thank
you very much for having me. I appreciate it. And to my listeners
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