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How you doing out there. It's
me Tigger, I am Dark Wayne Duck.

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It's me Bunker's Deep Bobcat. All
right, y'all, did it great?

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Your favorite firefly you desire? Hold
the old knock guy. My name

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is Jim Cummings and welcome to tuned
In. Ladies and gentlemen. We are

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here today. Welcome to tuned In
with Jim Cummings, and we have today

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no one else But why am I
looking over there, the one and only

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Phil Lamar. Welcome man, it's
good to see you. Thank you.

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It's such a pleasure to be here. Like I mean, there's nothing better

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than being interviewed by somebody you love. Oh man, thanks, well,

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there's nothing better than interviewing someone you
do love it And I mean that's sincerely

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in the best show biz tradition.
But man, thanks for coming out here.

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It's a schlep from your mansion in
uh we're in North Hollywood out to

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my little humble bungalow. Thank you, thank you, thank you, and

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uh you know, before we leave, we're going to have to try and

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get a picture of the wall because
there is some significant see that's known as

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a teaser. We're not doing it
right now, We're gonna wait for a

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few minutes. How am I doing
brennant? He doesn't know, he doesn't

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know what the wall is, right
right right, He's going yeah, yeah,

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yeah, okay, good, sure, yeah, week wink, You've

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got a wall. That's good,
Jamie. Jim did his own painting.

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He likes people say yes he did. Yes, Well, like I say,

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welcome again, it's great to see
you here. And uh, you

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know, on the way on the
way home, I was trying to think

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when you and I first met.
And it's been a little while now,

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I mean, uh, and I'm
gonna say, Ozzie and Drix, could

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it be? Yeah, that could
have been? That could have been that.

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Yeah, I'm trying to remember because
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cross paths so many times. I'm
like, wait, but when was the

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first one? Was it in the
lobby of the agency? Could be?

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That's true, that's true, but
job wise right. Well. Also,

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the tough thing is these COVID years
have messed up my memory because everything before

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COVID feels like it was twenty years
ago. Yeah. So yeah, so

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yeah I met Jim forty years ago
now, yeah, and stuff, yeah,

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this even the stuff that's twenty years
old. It seems like it's twenty

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years ago. So that'll throw you
right there. Yeah, but yeah,

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I bet you that. Yeah,
guessing on Ozzie and Drix over at when

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Warner Brothers was there in the mall? Was there in the mall? Yes,

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that was interesting, Yeah, good
times. I wish they would back

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be coming back. So when you
say in the mall, what do you

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may was in the mall just the
shudio? Yes, yes, the recording

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studio for kids. WB was in
a mall, big shopping mall. Yeah.

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Yeah, the Sherman Oaks Galleria that
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That was a big thing. Although
the one bad thing about the mall.

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It wasn't a bad thing about the
mall, but a mistake I made one

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time because I realized that down the
way from the studio there was, you

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know, Brooke Williams massage, Like, oh, and I had an afternoon

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session, Like, why don't I
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then I'll be all relaxed in there. Yes, uh huh. But and

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I forgot that that when you get
a massage, that's like going to sleep.

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So I walked into the session as
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I'm like, oh I can't.
Oh yeah, high voices. Yeah

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yeah, I'm supposed to sound like
Chris Rock. I thought you were going

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to say it was not that kind
of massage, because that could have invigorated

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I'm ready to go, right,
you know that kind of massage, I

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would have had a big rain.
Yeah, that would have yeah. Oh

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man, well you never know.
I had to ask. We got that

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cleared up, ladies and gentlemen.
Oh man, So and how long have

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you been doing animation? Well that's
a trick question. Oh well, good

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because there are two answers. Oh, okay, one since nineteen ninety six,

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when on Mad TV they started getting
these clamation pieces. Oh and okay,

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that's this guy. I remember that. There was this guy Krky quaken

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Bush who did these super funny things. And then because the cast was already

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getting paid for the episodes, they
had us voice the enemy. Yeah yeah,

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and that's how I started getting my
mic time, like oh nice.

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And then after a couple of years
of that, I thought, you know

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what I like doing that, I
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yeah, no makeup even right,
costume, don't have to wear a wig

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you don't sweat. Yeah, And
I got super lucky because the casting women

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who cast us on Mad TV turned
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Oh and so they got me and
Dave Herman in the room say nos from

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Matt Groening. That's cool. Yeah, So that was good luck. But

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the weird thing was that actually wasn't
my first time doing animation. Oh okay,

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because junior year a high school,
my mom had a friend who was

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an executive NBC. Nobody likes a
braggart, that's no, that's amazing man.

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High school, high school, and
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woman to you know, plays that
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they were doing a cartoon oh wow, where they were actually having kids do

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kids' voices back in the eighties,
yes, which was a rarity back Yeah.

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Yeah. And she said, hey, Phil, why don't you come

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audition for this? And I wound
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Morning cartoon, The Mister T Show. Oh yes, and yes, although

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back then voice acting wasn't a phrase. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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it wasn't something that you would consider
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no, I just had this cool
summer job. Wow, no kidding.

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So you didn't have to pity the
full or anything. You just went straight

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to the set. Even for three
seasons, I never met mister t once.

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Oh really, still tell us my
next question to this day? Oh

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man, well that makes both of
us. Yeah right, I can't believe

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he's been avoiding us this. What
is it something I didn't say? It's

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because neither one of us has a
mohawk. That well, that's true.

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I'm getting there. I'm getting there
involuntarily. Yeah. Wow, that is

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amazing. Well, you've had as
bodacious a career on camera as off camera

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as off cameras. On camera,
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don't know many people who's list of
off camera on camera credits are are fighting

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like that. So that's a beautiful
thing. I've been very, very lucky.

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Yeah, yeah, well so have
we. Yeah, good night,

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everybody. That was a pretty good
ending line. I will save that for

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later. Can we got that out
and use it later? Fix it in

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editing? Yes? Yes? Yes? Oh man, Well what do you

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think they're Brandon? I hope we
should keep going, is it I'm enjoying

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being in the audience. Getting back
to your Futurama, though, Like,

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let's talk about Hermes because that's where
I was first introduced to you. I

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mean, I may have watched Marvin
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I wasn't supposed to, but my
first prop introduction was Herms when I was

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when I was a bit older,
and I found it incredible that he wasn't

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originally Jamaican. That was something that
Matt Groening pitched to you. So now

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that you know of all the controversi
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a particular racehould voice particular race of
that character, would you have agreed to

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do a Jamaican accent at that point? Knowing now what you know now with

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the way people react to say,
for example, it should be a Jamaican

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actor doing that for example. Oh
well, I mean look that whole like

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twenty twenty controversy. Yeah, you
know, it's one thing to go back

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to the old days when nobody ever
thought about representation. But the big thing

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they got to go straighten out is
it's not about authenticity. Acting is about

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making fiction real, right, I
mean, what you ain't never gonna cast

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nobody but somebody who's actual Danish royalty
to play Hamlet. Yeah, don't make

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no sense. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, apparently Clint Eastwood isn't a real

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cop exactly. I've heard the rumor. It's an ugly rumor, but it's

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true. No, no, I
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I've had this conversation a lot of
people. Know. There's it's about the

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principle any actor should be able to
play any role they can believably portray.

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But there's also and especially back in
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you know, pragmatic element where you
know it's like, well, no,

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no, cast somebody you know of
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so you can make it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know,

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because back in the eighties and nineties, you know, there were so few

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characters of color that if you didn't
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I mean, the color of character
doesn't matter the color of the actor.

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But you know, and back in
the old days, they wouldn't bring you

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in, you know, as a
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unless the character looked like you,
which didn't make no sense. No,

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but no, you know, especially
nowadays that there's much more diversity in different

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shows and in the characters. You
don't need everybody to be you know what.

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Otherwise what you what you you got
to cast rabbits to play bugs bunny.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. That's very true.

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Wow. Yeah, that's a good
way to put it, because it's

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like, you can only just be
so diverse and then you're shooting yourself from

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the foot. You know, it's
not the the The end product should be

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a good product, not we touched
all the right bases well, And actually,

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what's more important than the diversity of
the actors is the diversity of the

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people making decisions. Because the thing
is, if they're casting a Jamaican character

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and then the people who decide from
the auditions don't know nobody Jamaican, can't

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tell which accent is good. Yeah, that's a problem. Yeah yeah,

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it's like so, but if you
have good writers, you know that's gonna

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have what the background is. They
go dig deep into what makes the character

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work best, which is actually why
Hermes got turned into Jamaican because they realize

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that would make him more interesting because
originally that was just a dumpy accountant,

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bureaucrat type character named Dexter. Oh
wow, I didn't know that but you

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know, I remember Matt going,
oh, dang it, I think I

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have too many characters whose names end
in er bender, dexter, Oh,

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it's a hazard. But then I
think the writers got together and the thought,

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you know, what might be funny
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you know, sort of Jamaican cultural
stuff and lay that into that accountant character.

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Because nobody had ever seen that before. No, no, a cool

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Caribbean bureaucrat. Yeah, you know, so that gave them more to work

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with. Yes, it did,
as opposed to I am the bureaucrat Planet

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Express everybody'd been doing. Everybody's seeing
that character. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Wow, that was a good bureaucrat. Though, I gotta I gotta

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give it to you. I'd love
to go back to when you first auditioned

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for the role of Hermises because obviously
you're still on Adativy at the time.

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He said it was the same people, so you sort of had an in

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there, but you know, the
Simpsons was still peak of the animation world

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at that point. How nerve wrecking
was it going knowing you're going to be

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auditioning for Matt Groening? It was
pretty like, I mean, in your

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head. It's intimidating, but then
you walk into the room and the guy's

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energy is so nice. Yeah,
and he's some guy that that it comes

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back. It's like, oh,
okay, he's not looking at me like

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he's gonna step on me, right
right, smiling and saying hi, welcome,

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you know. But yeah, the
fact that it's somebody that big.

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Oh my god. This guy changed
the culture of the world so much.

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He had to son's name because you
had eight year old boy in an American

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named Homer. Oh ooh, you're
kidding his name His son's name was Homer.

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Yeah, because it's just the character
Homer was named after, I see,

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and his son was named after his
dad. But then there came us

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like dad, I can't go to
school anymore. Yeah, okay, okay

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abe Yeah, and they kept trying
to paint him yellow so that that's that's

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not right. Yeah, and I
have an overbite. Oh god, God

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bless him. How did they pitch
Featurama to you? What was there?

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Because they couldn't reveal too much,
But what was the what idea in your

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mind did you have? What did
they create for you to sort of create

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the Hemi's voice and just the show
in general. Did you have any idea

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of what you were auditioning for.
Was it just a show that the same

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guy that Simpsons made? Well,
I mean all we knew is that it

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was the next show by the creator
of The Simpsons. But then they give

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us the you know, explanations like
set in the year three thousand and you

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know it's a thousand years from now, and you know, they give you

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the premise, so like there's a
guy from now who gets frozen for a

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thousand years and then winds up in
the future. So it's you know,

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you realize it's a sci fi comedy, but for the audition, you're really

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more focused on what the character is. It's like, oh, this guy

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is you know, in the in
the future, every business must have a

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certified bureaucrat to make sure that all
the paper gets done. Yeah, that's

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true. That's good, that's perfect. Yeah, So that's that's what you

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know, I was focused on,
and and apparently they liked what I did.

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It was definitely easier than you know, having to do the voice of

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Bender. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember auditioning for that.

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Yeah, of course you do.
Yeah. I think it was just

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for Bender and it's And it was
always kind of funny because I used to

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do this guy named Gosh what was
his name? He was on Chippendale's Rescue

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Rangers, and I think it was
Snively or anyway it was. It was

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a cop and he sounded like this, and God Rest her soul. It

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was my aunt Grace. It was
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And you know she just sounded like
that. Well, everybody in Alliens

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Alliens kids, come on, pick
up the plights here, help your mother's

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for Christ's sake. Everything was we're
very religious home. Everything was for the

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sake of our Lord God. And
uh and and and Bender's not quite there,

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but they're brothers. Oh yeah,
definitely you hell man, you will

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call John Demagio's wife with that voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm

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not saying he did. I'm not
saying you. Yeah, I'm not.

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I didn't hardly ever. I never
I never did. I never did.

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I don't know what you're talking about
anyway. So where were we as a

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not there? Do you do?
You look for you for family for expression

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too, don't you? Phil?
Because you had I believe it was green

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Latin was an homage to your dad's
swichy voice. Right. Well, yes,

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because well when I went to audition
for Justice League, you know,

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I'm a big old comic book guy, and uh, I just came from

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the comfort books. I know you
had a stack, and but they were

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not using the you know main you
know, Hal Jordan Green Lantern like great,

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but going into audition for Green Lantern, you just go with the character.

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And also the way Bruce tim draws
all of the characters have those enormous

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chess yeah, yeah, big shoulders. And also the person who auditioned ahead

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of me was the actor Dennis Haysbert. Oh who had he walked in in

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a green shirt, they would have
thought the cartoons. Yeah, yeah,

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he's a cool dude. And Dennis
has im looking and just like dang,

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he's a live action version. Yeah. His voice was in my head.

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Oh yeah, and so you're doing
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the character. It's pretty heroic.
Yeah. They described the characters like,

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well, John Stewart, he's you
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marine. And I'm like, oh, well, I mean not because my

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dad was from Detroit and his brother
wasn't that Oh okay, So I figured

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actually let me just add a little
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just more of a real man.
Yeah, yeah, yo, John Stewart

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Green Lantern sector to eight one four. I mean it wasn't doing an impression

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of mind. Yeah, I was
trying to bring a little bit of that

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energy. Shure up. I was
like, well, this is what a

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real guy I sound like, as
opposed to just a cartoon. Yeah,

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yes, that's right. Don't don't
don't voice the suit, voice the person.

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Oh yeah, that's a good one. You guys are writing that down,

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oun't there? Right? Phil just
gave that's a little gem right there.

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And I always another thing that I
thinking of we're referring to your family

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is if you do a perfect impression
of like I say, my aunt Grace,

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nobody knows her, that's a new
character exactly. So there you go.

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And it's also something that's deeply rooted. Yeah, you can always go

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back to it exactly. Just a
family reunion nineteen eighty two, you know,

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over the potato salad, he said, and you're there. That's wonderful.

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That is too cool. So what
excites you more these days? Is

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it on camera or off camera?
Well? Actually, it's funny because people

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always ask me that, well,
which is your favorite? Oh yeah,

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And what I've realized over these years
is that it's not about the medium,

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it's about the quality. Yeah.
You know, if you work on a

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good script with a good creator,
you know, I mean, working on

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Samurai Jack with Ndi Tartakowski, that's
to me the same experiences working on pulp

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fiction with Quentin Tarantino, because you're
working with a creative person, and when

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you have great material, it makes
you a good actor. Yeah. Yeah,

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that's so true. You know,
there's another one we have to write

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down this is good, this is
good to fill them. Yeah, and

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you know, and we've been very
lucky to work on really good quality stuff,

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you know. I mean you're doing
Winnie the Pooh, a character that

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people have loved for one hundred years, you know, yeah, just recently

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I think turned one hundred. I
really he really did, I think from

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the from the book. But of
course we all know, I'm gonna say

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nothing, you know, for particular, Well, we all have jobs that

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aren't necessarily great. Wait, I
don't know what you're talking about. Well,

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you know, because especially well,
because of the nature of ko we

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can do two gigs in a day. Yeah, unlike those on camera people.

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Yeah, that's true. Not every
show is an iconic. Yeah.

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Sometimes you just do a little guest
on a little show and get canceled after

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one season. Yeah, so you
saw the Snorks. What you're saying?

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All right? Fine, right,
that was one of my first gigs.

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Yeah, it would still be fun
if you're working with nice people. Oh

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yeah, because I believe that the
voiceover is the kindest corner of show business.

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Yeah, oh, buy that.
You know, it's like a village.

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You know, everybody feels like a
community, much more so than the

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movie world, the on camera Oh
yeah. You know, if you're working

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on one movie, there might be
somebody else shooting a movie on the same

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you know lot. You don't hang
out with those people's right, that's right.

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Voiceover you run into people at the
same studio they're working on a different

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show, and you hang out in
the parking lot or in the lobby.

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Yeah. Yeah, so true,
so true. And my theory over the

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years has been that it's the reason
that the voiceover world is nicer than a

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lot of parts of show business is
because of the sense of community, but

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also because nobody's getting paid enough to
put up with nastiness. Yeah, you

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know, because the vast majority of
voiceover jobs are scale you know. But

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in the movie world, Oh,
that person's getting paid twenty million dollars,

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like, well, he's a heroine. Don't wtter hire them any well,

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jesus, Yeah, yeah, he's
got a famous name. But voiceover it's

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a group record, you know,
at least it was not sure it was

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yeah, you know, you want
a good vibe, so and you have

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a lot of people who have that, yeah, you know, and that's

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why it's all such and not a
ton of people who bring a big ego

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to the sessions exactly. That helps, you know, that really does help,

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because once every now and then you'll
run into somebody, and I mean

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every now and then, like two
or three times in my lifetime, and

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so it's very very rare because I'm
sure between us we work with thousands of

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people at this point. Yeah,
you know, and I do. For

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the record, I missed the the
the group sessions where everybody's sitting around and

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we're all in the same room.
And uh, I think COVID knocked that

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out. And and I think a
lot of people that had sitcoms or whatever.

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We're starting to bleed into the do
a veo and uh, it's just

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you know, it just kind of
got screwed up, screwed the poocha,

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a little bit muddy the water.
Yeah, but you know, definitely,

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I mean because yeah, when I
started out in FO everything was a group

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record. Then too, in the
last few years prior to COVID, more

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and more sessions started being just your
recording, which you can do. Yeah,

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but it's tougher, I agree.
I mean it's always easier to be

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able to perform a scene with other
actors. Yes, I mean, this

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is like vacuum, this recording by
yourself. I always think of it as

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like, well, if I was
an on camera actor and they're like,

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yeah, yeah, when you go
home, shoot your close ups? Yeah

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yeah, okay, yeah, let
me do that for you. Yeah yeah,

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yeah. Well I've done a lot
of Shark Weeks and that's just me

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talking. We see Felipe going beneath
the waves, will he return? Felipe

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screwed, He's not coming. So
those you can do all by yourself,

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absolutely, and of course Felipe,
but you know, but other than that,

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it's nice to have somebody to bounce
off. Yeah, but you're right,

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you know sometimes you know, like
when you're there are scenes where you're

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doing a loan, you're doing a
monologue, or you're doing narration. You

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don't need another person. I mean, it's not a need, it's a

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it's a yeah, you bet,
and it makes it better. And it's

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not like cartoons have gotten worse since
they stopped doing group records. No,

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oh yeah, it just means they
spend more time editing. Yeah, yeah,

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you're right, give us right,
give us take twenty five. Yes,

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I did that today. Oh wow, and you know that some poor

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guy has to sit there and listen
to all twenty five of your takes.

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Yeah, all twenty five of the
other three characters in the scene. Yeah,

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let me put this with this.
Yeah, I can't imagine. I

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cannot imagine. I don't have that
kind of head or bright or anything.

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No way, Yeah, yeah,
I hope they can. I think they

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should all get a raise. Okay, there we just and you're welcome.

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Discount network links. Earned description of
this podcast compare the energy of the Mad

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TV ensemble with when you joined Futurama. Was there similarities? And you think

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because you worked with that ensemble already, it helped you with Futurama. With

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the rest of the crew, Well, I mean, you know, having

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come up doing improv and sketch,
Yeah, you just you know, take

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the benefit of a group work.
But walking into a studio with Billy West

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and Tress McNeil and Maurice LaMarsh and
Katie Sagal, Yeah, that's like getting

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drafted onto this show Chicago Bulls.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, eighties time

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to move. And it's funny because
I remember the first session of Futurama,

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there was a scene where Billy,
who's voicing three different characters, There's one

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scene where one of his characters introduces
another character to his third character. Oh

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that's great old scene alone, yeah, on the run, And I was

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just like, oh yeah, oh
my god, So it gave me the

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bar for like, someday I got
to learn how to do that. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, well congratulations you've
done it. Yeah yeah. Twenty

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years later and Chris had something.
Yeah, we've been talking about on camera,

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we've been talking about voiceover, and
this is still voiceover. But how

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do you feel about performing in video
games? I know you've done Mortal Kombat,

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which I was surprised to see,
and you've done quite a few,

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quite a few video games. How
does that differ. Well, the difference

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about you know, doing voice work
for video games is, unless you're working

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with a talented director, it can't. In general, it's a little more

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difficult because, you know, one, it's a lot more work, but

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you don't get a whole script.
You don't get as much context. You

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know, a lot of times they
just give you, like and excel with

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line line line line line line line. So, and I mean, the

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good directors tell you the context.
Okay, no for this line, you're

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gonna be doing this, and they
explain it to you, you know,

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but sometimes the good the ones who
aren't that good, don't just give me

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one more faster go yeah, yeah, better, more talent because like I'm

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like, well, wait, what
is this line? Force Like, I

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don't know, we'll figure out later. Yeah, what was your what was

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your experience like working on Mortal Kombat
one? I know that just came out

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and there was like a very cinematic
storyline to that, you know, it

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was well, Actually, the Mortal
Kombat games are on the higher end because

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even though it's just, you know, a violent fighting game, they focus

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on the characters. You know.
That's good in a way that a lot

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of games don't. Yeah, so
a lot of games like yeah, yeah,

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okay, you've done saying your your
word lines. Okay, now we're

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going to the important part, the
screams. Yeah yeah, we're gonna be

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save hours of you die, save
those to the end. Yeah, boy,

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I agree. Okay, now get
you electricuted short, medium long.

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But but for Mortal Kombat, they
have plots, they have relationships. And

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Dominic Chencolo who is the director for
most of the Mortal Kombat stuff and the

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writer, he knows how to direct. Oh good, So you feel like

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you're performing as I posed the jazz
rating lines, you know, which some

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games I think that's all they think
of, you know. Yeah, they're

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just spread and water a lot of
a lot of the video game companies just

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think of everybody as just you know, cogs in the machine. Yeah,

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yeah, you know whatever, just
put it all together, speckle it together

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here. Yeah, but you know, I mean I had it a little

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easier because I had played video games
growing up. So sometimes you can look

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at the line and realize, Okay, this is you know, coaching the

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player to know what they're going to
do in the next you know thing.

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So you know how to get that
line out there because you know what it's

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for. But if you don't play
that game, it's like, I don't

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know what I'm saying. Yeah,
there you go. Well I had a

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Space Invaders and I learned nothing from
it. So you got to get the

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right game. You gotta use.
You got to play there end. That

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was the pinball machine. It was
a pin ball machine. Yeah yeah,

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because I'm like, no, I
know. That's why I was so ill

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prepared. See, I just I
was able to stand there and go it's

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just not the same no. Well
yeah, yeah, and a name name

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that sound effect ladies and gentlemen.
Okay, oh that's that's painful. Like

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before I was in the business.
I can't believe I'm telling anybody this,

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but I had a stand up Donkey
Kong and a stand up Space Invaders,

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and I would I would put them
in pizza parlors for like six months,

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and then you kind of give the
guy a ten ten dollars ten percent commission,

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and then you go there like once
a week and to dump it,

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and you have all these great quarters. Nice. So I made dozens and

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dozens of dollars. Oh it was
that out hero? Is that bad?

407
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:10,440
No? It was yeah, Anaheim, all right, right, that's amazing.

408
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,640
I remember it was a long time
ago. I was but a lad.

409
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,839
I love that. At one point
you were outside the video game,

410
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,839
now you're inside. Yeah, that's
true. I never thought of that.

411
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:22,640
Yeah, that's that's very true.
Yeah. I haven't done many video games,

412
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,319
but I was sergeant sorry, no, the arm army man, Sergeant's

413
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,000
army Men, Serget's heroes, right, Charge's heroes. Yeah. Oh and

414
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,559
one that everybody, I can't believe
it. I did this twenty five years

415
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:41,079
ago, and it was oh goshl
Gate bal was it? Balders, thank

416
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:45,119
you? Yeah, go Ford the
ice booz and I was some big Norwegian

417
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:51,920
goof and he was basically Lenny and
a mice and men and instead of a

418
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,599
Gerbil, it was the Heimpster up
Justice Boob will get you now. So

419
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,880
okay, but enough about him.
Yeah, I mean the thing is actually

420
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,119
a little easier when it's a character
from a show that you've done. It's

421
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:07,559
like, oh, now we're doing
a video game version. Yeah, yeah,

422
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,279
that's true. Like, did they
ever take your Star Wars character into

423
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,680
a video game? No? No, but he's in these two big giant

424
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:22,279
Yeah, he's he's in these two
big giant almost video game rides at Disneyland

425
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:26,000
disney World. Oh wow. Yeah, And I stealed the Millennium Falcon about

426
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:32,079
five hundred times a day, and
I can Chewbacca into helping me, nice

427
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,480
cub boom. What was the recording
process for those animatronics? What was that

428
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,119
like? Was it just like regular
video kinda? Yeah? Yeah it was.

429
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:47,440
I I'll never forget. They brought
me in over at Disney Imagineering,

430
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,720
which is a slightly it's an offshoot
obviously off of Disney's lot. And uh

431
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,720
so these guys are walking me through
there and they've got this thing for Hondo

432
00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:00,160
and they've got big play like it
was a movie. It was just like

433
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,480
with with a movie where you see, like you know, Spielberg and everybody

434
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:10,440
these big kind of like that big
stills of this game and and they've got

435
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:14,000
they're doing that, and they're walking
at room after room after room, and

436
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:17,880
then you go from here and then
you then then if you make it through,

437
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,759
you get to hop on the Millennium
Falcon and then you go blah blah

438
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:23,880
blah blah blah, and then you
and I go, I go, man,

439
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,440
this is a lot of game of
stuff to do on spec How how

440
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:36,160
are you? And I realized they
were pitching me, and it was like,

441
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,720
you don't think I want to do
it? I mean, I mean

442
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,720
I would almost Okay, I wouldn't
pay to do it, but I would

443
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,119
take care I I need to do
it. And then and they would go,

444
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,000
but wouldn't this be something you'd be
interested in? I go, gee,

445
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:53,480
let me think, hell, yes, you know, what do you

446
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,440
are? What are you gonna turned
down? Yeah? No, you know

447
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,960
change that third line? Yeah yeah, it's the biggest ride in disney World

448
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,880
of Disneyville. And uh and I
said, yeah that that's okay, sure

449
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:09,400
you know, And now you know, all my friends and niece's nephews,

450
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,720
we really like your ride. Thank
you. What are we talking about?

451
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:17,319
Because they recognized that voice. Oh
yeah, I guess even though it's I

452
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:22,599
mean a little weird. Yeah,
it's not you talking like you's Charles Bronson

453
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880
and Yule Brenner. Right, you
ever do that put together two people?

454
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:31,880
You know, that's it's just fun
stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and uh

455
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,960
and you have worked with a lot
of interesting people and now helped me out

456
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:43,240
because I want to know, speaking
of interesting people, God rest his soul,

457
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,039
your buddy pe Wee Herman, the
one and all. Yes, well,

458
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:54,200
a lot of people don't know that
you were the live action cowboy Curtis.

459
00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:00,839
Were you not well or I was
the on stage there we go,

460
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,319
okay, that's yeah, well you
were live at the time. Yeah,

461
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:12,960
because you know, originally Paul first
did Pee Wee Herman as this midnight show

462
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,079
at the Roxy. Oh yes,
that's right, Yeah, that's right.

463
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:22,240
So back in was it? They
did a stage version and it was such

464
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,119
a hit, like people were lined
up for a midnight show, and that's

465
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:31,359
how he got the the thing bought
his for the for the wait was it

466
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:37,880
the movie or the TV show?
You know? And it blew up but

467
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:45,680
you know later, you know,
thirty years later, he decided to restage

468
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:51,319
the original you know, stage show. But there was all of this stuff

469
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:55,200
that he had created for the Saturday
Morning Show because the original show he was

470
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,480
just doing it at the ground.
Yeah, you'd have a big budget.

471
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,200
You'd have enough budget to hire Puppy
Tears and Sherry and all the rest of

472
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,960
them. Yeah. Yeah, So
he wrote all of that into the original,

473
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,400
the original show that he had co
written with Phil Hartman. Yes,

474
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:17,239
And because Phil Hartman had passed away, he took Phil's character, Captain Carl

475
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,880
and that was in the original stage
version, and replaced him with Laurence Fishburn's

476
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,239
character from the Saturday Morning Show,
Cowboy Curtis. So it was the same

477
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,920
plot, but now it was Cowboy
Curtis who was in love with miss Yvonne.

478
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,440
Yes, I remember, but apparently, you know, when they were

479
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,800
doing in twenty ten, Lawrence Fishburne
was a little busy, so he couldn't

480
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,440
come to a stage place. Yeah, yeah, well good for him.

481
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,480
No, I'm starring and producing Blackish, yes, yeah, and so a

482
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,920
little busy, and so Paul he
said, hey, Phil, will you

483
00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,119
come audition because Paul and I had
done a comedy show on stage, the

484
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:02,280
Groundlings, because you know, he
had been in the Groundings for years before

485
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,199
me and I've been in Groundings in
the nineties, and that's where we got

486
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:12,920
to meet. And then because I
got to meet this incredible genius guy who

487
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,679
was you know, had a character
that was basically like the human Mickey Mouse.

488
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:22,119
Generations of people who just like love
that character. I got to do

489
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:27,119
Broadway because Paul was my friend.
Oh and he said, okay, we

490
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:29,000
did the show in LA It's like, hey, guys, guess what,

491
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,079
We're moving it to New York in
the fall. And that was a joy

492
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:42,079
wow, because that character was so
like popular that the people who showed up

493
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,480
after each performance, you know,
to come say hi to Paul in his

494
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:50,400
dressing room. Oh yeah, that
list. Oh blow your mind. I

495
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,239
remember after show, will come backstage
and I look up and there's Lou Reed

496
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,440
and the author Salmon Rushty walking together
down and thing like, oh man,

497
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:04,320
and those two knuckleheads right together.
Oh man. Wow. Another time there

498
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,559
was you know, David Duchovny and
Tayleione trying to get a picture with their

499
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:14,400
kids with pee wee okay, And
while they're taking their picture. Paul Simon

500
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:20,639
is standing in line waiting to take
a picture with his kids. And another

501
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:27,119
time, David Bowie and Inmon were
hanging out in Paul's dressing room. You're

502
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:32,000
just hanging out and oh man,
that because that's you know, a character

503
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:37,360
that's that deeply, you know,
hard to the culture. Yeah, yeah,

504
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,519
wow, it was crazy. I
hardly ever run into those guys,

505
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:45,159
you know, I mean almost never. Never. I must say, oh

506
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:50,840
no, that that was Ed Brimley, that was the anti pee wee.

507
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,800
Never mind cut that on. We
don't want that. But there's something that

508
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,159
can be said for being a character
that takes people back to their childhood.

509
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:00,400
I mean, you guys both know
that. Oh and now you know you

510
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,679
cons a fill with these kinds of
people. But this that connection reminding people

511
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,639
of a happier time. You can
just it's bank these days, isn't it.

512
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,079
Oh God? Yeah, very true. Well, you know I do

513
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,960
these cons and you know, I'll
throw a little Winny the Pooh out to

514
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:16,280
these people, and all of a
sudden, you see this forty year old

515
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,360
you usually a woman go do do
do Do do do, And she's seven,

516
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,559
Yes, she's seven. On the
spot, I didn't know you could

517
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,159
do what you have to do something, and I go, well, no,

518
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,199
just say a little, you know, And they think they think there's

519
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:35,480
a filter or there's something, and
I go, you know, pull the

520
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:39,239
string, you know, chatty Cathy. But yeah, that's a blessing,

521
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,880
isn't it. Oh? Absolutely?
I mean, because I've realized that there

522
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:49,760
is something about the way voices from
your childhood live in your head, like

523
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,320
your parents' voice. Like remember when
you, you know, were a little

524
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,960
kid and your parents your mom would
say Philip, you know yep. But

525
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,280
when you're forty and your mom says
Philip, you hear this? Yeah yeah,

526
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,039
yeah, Well I know, Shane
can spank me now, but yeah,

527
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,280
but it's still there in your head. And cartoon characters are like that.

528
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:15,960
I remember the first time I got
to do a Scooby Doo and we

529
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,840
were, you know, there at
Warner Brothers. We did a read through

530
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,039
beforehand row and it was funny because
Tom Kenny was guesting and me and John

531
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:30,440
DiMaggio, and for the read through, Tom read Shaggy just in the script.

532
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,400
He was just reading and I was
like, oh, wow, that's

533
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,440
such a good Shaggy casey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but then,

534
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,320
you know, after we finished reading
through the script, we went into the

535
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,760
recording studio and then Casey showed up. I think maybe he's been doing his

536
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,760
radio show that more. Probably yeah, And so he goes onto the mic

537
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,280
and they're like, all right,
Casey, can you just give us a

538
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,280
couple of lines for the for the
volume, and he starts doing the voice.

539
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,800
But it's the real voice. Yes, I mean Tom's was really good.

540
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,039
Impression good. Yeah, But all
of a sudden, I heard my

541
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:06,239
mom's voice. Oh yeah, shaggy
voice. Sure, sure, And I

542
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,519
felt the hair on the back of
my neck. That's great, And like

543
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:13,280
you said that, lady, Yeah, I felt myself shrink. Yeah.

544
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,840
Yeah, to be a six year
old yeah la yeah, just hearing Casey

545
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,760
do that voice, yes, because
it lived in my head. Yeah,

546
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,760
because I've grown up watching episodes of
school for sure. Yeah. Wow,

547
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:28,679
that's so cool. And it was
weird because I'm like, oh, you

548
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:31,320
go about shaggers, like, dude, you're not watching this at home?

549
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,119
Yeah yeah, yeah, you're at
work. Yeah, go get on the

550
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,480
mic, put the cereal down.
Yeah. Oh god, yeah, yeah,

551
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,639
that's good stuff. Been very fortunate
with a lot of different things.

552
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,360
I had something like that. I
worked with Carol Channing and she was sitting

553
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,920
there making all this noise because she
had too many bracelets on and all this.

554
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:57,000
And then she took those off and
she was still moving around it.

555
00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:00,800
But she had some kind of linen, crinoline, starch blouse everything. And

556
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,599
she said, oh, don't worry, s wady, Oh geez kake,

557
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:09,239
don't worry. And she stands up
in this robe and she looks like this

558
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,840
albino crow standing there with the bra
and she's got like a pound and a

559
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:21,960
half of cotton under each cross.
Oh she's marvelous. I can move now,

560
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,719
and nobody can tell move lette the
show. And I'm sitting there going,

561
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:34,400
okay, I'm just gonna look over
here, you know. And and

562
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,239
Warren, our engineer, he had
his little video camera and and and he

563
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:45,119
looked at it and he goes yeah, and he put it down. He

564
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:51,480
he just couldn't justify videoing it right. Oh man, oh my god,

565
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:52,719
have you ever do you do that
a lot? I mean, stand up?

566
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,800
No, I don't need That's why
I'm wearing this. One doesn't make

567
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,760
any but it's funny because I remember
you telling that story the first and I

568
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,559
think maybe that is the thing that
made me think about what shirt I wear.

569
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:08,679
That's right, get a gunnysack,
stick my head out there, you

570
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:14,039
go, all right, ready to
go and scene wear that leather jacket.

571
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:20,039
That's right, Yes, but that
is one of my most favorite story.

572
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,960
Yeah, it really is. It's
crazy. Yeah, well we have a

573
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,039
lot of them, don't Oh yeah, yeah, and I bet you have

574
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:34,199
a lot of them from that little
drawing on the wall. Do I dare

575
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:39,119
poking poke that bear? So to
speak? Do we Does anybody know what

576
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,480
behind us here? Should we?
Can we see? Oh? They can't

577
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,400
see in the in the wide shot. I'll add an insert in Oh okay,

578
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:52,280
oh okay, good, there you
go. Yes, yes, it's

579
00:41:52,440 --> 00:42:00,119
uh, yeah, it's it's it's
tough to look at that. Or yeah,

580
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:05,119
pooh fiction, pooh fiction. Right, it's pooh fiction. I love

581
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,880
that. Well, that's where you
gotta set that is, yes, you

582
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,679
do, but make sure you put
the right size otherwise you get a billboard

583
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,840
right right, that adn't go fit
on a shirt. No. To describe

584
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:21,119
the difference between I say, a
Futurama fan or Samurai Jack fan and a

585
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:22,280
fan of someone who's like, oh
my god, I can't believe you are

586
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,079
Mavn in pulp fiction, because it's
gonna be that's two different audiences all of

587
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:28,679
the time, right, Yeah.
Yeah, well that's one of the wild

588
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,840
things about the you know, I've
been very fortunate to work on a lot

589
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,599
of you know, great projects,
but they don't all cross over. There's

590
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,199
like some Futurama fans who don't even
know I was in pulp fiction or whatever,

591
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,280
you know, you know, or
a mad TV fan that never watched

592
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,079
Samurai Jack, you know. So
it's all different demographics, I guess.

593
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,039
Yeah. So it's funny because sometimes
you'll have you'll be at a convention and

594
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:57,880
I have, you know, different
pictures of all the characters out on the

595
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,360
table, and someoney goes, oh
my god, I never knew that was

596
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,760
your voice. Yeah, yeah,
it's like, that's okay, you don't

597
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,519
need to watch everything at once.
Yeah, that's all right. Yeah,

598
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:13,519
well, Harry, then you should
have this one. Although my favorite is

599
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:17,079
when the generations come and I'm sure
you probably get this sometimes where there's like

600
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:22,480
a kid who's a fan of one
of your Star Wars characters, but their

601
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:24,960
mom loves Winnie the Poo. Oh. Yeah, you know, so you

602
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,400
get you cross over, you know, it's like oh wow, you know

603
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,760
yeah, it's like somebody who you
know watches Craig the Creek, but their

604
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,840
mom used to get up stay up
late to watch Mad TV. Oh cool,

605
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,280
you know that's nice. Yes,
like, no, take it,

606
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,800
but I won't show that to my
kids. Yeah right right, that's smart

607
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,719
mo. Yeah. Oh that is
God, that's a great memory of the

608
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,840
Mad TV stuff. That was good
stuff. I mean, that was a

609
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,920
damn good show. Yeah. Well, I mean, but it wasn't a

610
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,199
hit. I thought it was.
See. I like weird stuff though,

611
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,159
right, you know because back in
the day when it was before Fox was

612
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:05,960
as big as it is now,
so late night on Fox was kind of

613
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,800
like the low end neighborhood. Yeah
yeah, because and everyone's like, yeah,

614
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:15,320
you're not SnO, well that's back
when there were three networks, right,

615
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,000
and there's who are these people on
Channel eleven? You know? And

616
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,039
I know sometimes, you know,
I'll be somewhere and it's like, yeah,

617
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,320
I work on this late night comedy
show on Fox, Like oh Fox,

618
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,679
No, we don't have cable.
Yeah yeah, no, no,

619
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,719
it's a channel yeah, it's a
yeah, Channel eleven. Okay, how

620
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,119
about that. But now depending on
where you know well, and that's the

621
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,719
big difference between the old days and
now, because in the old days,

622
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,440
if you didn't watch a show when
it aired, you didn't know about it.

623
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:49,679
You know, you can just go
to a video store and get a

624
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,360
tape of a show. Yeah,
that's right the way. Nowadays, it's

625
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,039
like, well, I missed one
episode of this thing in nineteen eighty three.

626
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,000
Let me go on YouTube. Here
it is. Yeah, like no,

627
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,960
wait, no I didn't. I
got it right here I ever worked

628
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:07,320
on somebody can just see. And
then sometimes they'll they'll come up and that's

629
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,199
like I said earlier, do the
voice? Do the voice? And you

630
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,960
go through three or four and they
go, no, not that one.

631
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,000
Remember the Postman in the third episode
of the Mask I think it was from

632
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,079
Sweden, do the voice? I
go, oh, yeah, do booting.

633
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,639
That's it. That's it. Yeah, that's good. He's not just

634
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,880
liking Well it was the three I
had three lines, you know, and

635
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,760
I'm you know, I'm lucky twenty
years ago. No, I don't remember

636
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,719
them. Yeah, are hard to
believe, but dude, I didn't memorize

637
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,000
the script twenty years ago. Yeah, I wouldn't have known it the next

638
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:43,800
day. So yeah, yeah,
but it's good stuff. Yeah. So

639
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,159
where do you go from here?
What's is there anything new we should know

640
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:50,679
about it? I mean even conventions
and stuff, you know, because I

641
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,079
mean I've been doing a lot of
those. I guess COVID's over. We're

642
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:57,400
allowed to get out of the house. I'm knocking on wood when I say

643
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,800
that. Us. Yeah, well, I mean, in terms of conventions,

644
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,039
my next one is Rhode Island Comic
Con. If you're oh, yeah,

645
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:06,960
I'm gonna I think I'm gonna go
there. Oh great, I'll see

646
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:12,039
there. Good good, good,
Yeah, that's gonna be fun. Although

647
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,199
well good, now it's on a
weekend. As far as what's next,

648
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:22,159
now that the Writer's Guild strike is
over, there may be a next step,

649
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,199
although I'm not exactly sure when.
Because this year twenty twenty three,

650
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,960
a big life changed happened in the
beginning of the year. Out of nowhere,

651
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,800
an old buddy of mine who I
used to act with twenty years ago.

652
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:42,719
He since become a showrunner, Michael
Malley, Okay, and he called

653
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,400
me out of nowhere. He's like, Hey, I'm working on this new

654
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,440
show and i'd love for you to
be one of my writers. So I

655
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:53,880
took a professional sitcom writing job,
wow, on a sitcom starring John Cryer,

656
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,480
Donald Faison and Abigail Spencer, because
I love I knew John and Donald.

657
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:00,599
I'm like, oh, oh,
dang it, I love those guys.

658
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:05,000
Yeah, I'll be on your show. Of course, forgetting after doing

659
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:07,760
sitcoms for thirty years, like,
dude, the writers don't hang out with

660
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,599
the actors. Oh yeah, well
oh right, yeah, never mind.

661
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:15,000
I don't know any of the sitcom
writers that I worked on shows with.

662
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:21,159
No, that's true. Yeah,
but it was wild to suddenly be on

663
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:23,760
this other side of the sitcom world. That's great on sitcom since you know,

664
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:29,639
the early nineties, and this was
an old fashioned multi caam sitcom.

665
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,960
We performed, you know, they
performed in front of audiences, no kidding.

666
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:36,400
Yeah, and John Cryer is a
genius wow, you know, and

667
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:39,519
Donald was amazing, and Abigail was
wonderful. They were all so fun,

668
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,960
and I realized, you know,
I'd had this experience, you know,

669
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,079
from the actors side, where the
writers go, thank you so much,

670
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,199
because you realize, as a writer, you type up some words. Yeah,

671
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,519
but then when good actors perform it. Yeah, it makes your writing

672
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:00,559
look great. Yeah. And if
you have an ad lib better in their

673
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:04,000
line, right, they're even smarter
and they get yeah because the writer gets

674
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,199
credit for your ad loop. Yeah, that's right. What what was that

675
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,480
process like to find the writing process
for a sitcom? It was It was

676
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,920
interesting because I had not you know, as an actor, when you're reading

677
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,159
a sitcom scene, you don't think
about the act structure of the episode.

678
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,079
No, I just think about what
I'm doing and what what props I pick

679
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,880
up? No, No, you
got to think about the scene. You

680
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,039
gotta what are the beats? You
know, where's it? Where's it going

681
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:31,920
to next? And then you know
down the road of this, you know,

682
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,199
season, what what do you reference
like if you bring in if you

683
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,239
write in a character like his mom, we're gonna have to cast somebody like

684
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,559
oh yeah, I never thought about
that. So yeah, it made me

685
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:47,480
think about episodes of a show in
a completely different way for the first time

686
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,760
in forty years. Yeah, because
you you haven't had to Yeah, what

687
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,800
in your job right now? They're
paying you, Okay, I'll do it,

688
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,960
right, So now I'm thinking it's
like, oh wow, if I

689
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,000
get you know cast there's a guest
spot on a sitcom? Now am I

690
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,960
gonna go? Can I read the
three episodes before this? Yeah? Yeah,

691
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,840
yeah, I want to. I
wanna have context? Why? Yeah?

692
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:15,280
Yeah? Okay, scale plus ten? I don't know that you know

693
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,559
that's okay? Well, well just
for the first one second one I get

694
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:22,559
a little bump. Oh man?
Is it very much? You would write

695
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:24,960
the script and then it's a team
contribution after that? Is it how you

696
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,159
sort of you would come through an
episode, so you'd write sort of the

697
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,679
skeleton, and then everyone gets together
and adds in extra jokes or is the

698
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:37,719
whole process The writing group is all
together and you work together. It's like

699
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:40,280
everybody throws out, oh, I
think what about if this is an idea?

700
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,039
This is an idea and if people
respond to it then or if the

701
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:50,920
showrunner respond to it or sees the
good vibe from everybody else, you put

702
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,960
everything together. It's collaborative and if
you get a signed a script, you

703
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:59,960
write it up. But then the
rest of the group will go through it

704
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:01,119
and go, hey, Phil,
what about this? Oh I can add

705
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:02,519
this line? What do you think
of? You had this? And this

706
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:08,320
is so everybody helps everybody you know, wait, Chris, what was nice?

707
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,719
I was just asking if you've done
a lot of writing before. Well,

708
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:16,599
yeah, on Mad TV and well
at the Groundlings. You know,

709
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:21,400
when I came up on training,
we were writing sketches. But that's just

710
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,559
writing for yourself, and it's all
about yeah, just what I think is

711
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:28,400
funny. Yeah, you know,
or if you were in a liquor store

712
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,920
and somebody in line is being really
weird and dumb, like if I get

713
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,480
a wig, it looks like that, I can write this as a sketch.

714
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:42,559
Oh yeah. Although the one experience
I had as a writer where performers

715
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,800
made my writing amazing was with this
man right here, because we did.

716
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:52,920
We were we were still working on
it. I remember a show called Goblins.

717
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,639
That was my next question. Yes, yeah, I was wondering about

718
00:50:54,639 --> 00:51:00,639
that. There's a there's a webcomic
that my friend Ellipses created that's set in

719
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:04,920
the D and D world, but
from the point of view of the monsters,

720
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,599
not just the warriors, and it's
called Goblins Life through their Eyes And

721
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:14,239
my friend Matt King and I were
trying to develop that into an animated show,

722
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,840
and so we put together a you
know, a short version to try

723
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,480
to you know, use that to
sell it. And it was damn good

724
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:24,960
too, by the way, And
we were lucky enough to get the most

725
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:34,039
amazing voice actors Jim and Maurice LaMarsh
and Jennifer Hale, Seve Bloom. And

726
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:37,840
it was funny because you know,
I love the webcomic and Matt and I

727
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,880
you know, as because Matt and
I are both actors. So when we

728
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,360
were writing it, we would act
out all the scenes and think, Okay,

729
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,199
I think this is going to go. But then when you guys performed

730
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:50,360
in, I was like, oh, oh my god, that's seventy eight

731
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,119
times better than it was when we
had performed it. Maybe marginally so,

732
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,239
but okay, no, I'll take
it. You brought so much, oh

733
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,920
good life energy and fun to those
characters. Like yes, well, God,

734
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,840
God speed and break a finger whatever
you break when you're a writer.

735
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:12,840
Yes, hopefully now once all the
strikes are over, we can get Goblins

736
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:19,679
going. We'll have another show together
on okay, right in who do we

737
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,280
tell everybody to write into? And
you know, whoever you write in stuff

738
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,639
like that to or text or whatever
you do nowadays, do a petition?

739
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,480
Yeah that's right. Why am I
looking at the screen. Hopefully after that

740
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:34,800
live action Dungeons and Dragons movies.
Oh, maybe some people will now be

741
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,119
more interested in getting a cartoon.
It's like, oh yeah, because you

742
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:42,599
know how it is once they realize, oh, there's an audience that likes

743
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:45,400
that thing. Oh get let's go
get some of them. Yeah, their

744
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,920
money's good. Yeah, well we
can make money off them. Future has

745
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,920
been rebooted what three four times these
days? Yes, we are buck from

746
00:52:53,960 --> 00:53:01,239
the Dead for the fourth time.
Were the zombie of animation? Oh bother.

747
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,280
Yeah. It's funny because I remember
when we ended last time. You

748
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,079
know, the showrunner was like,
you know, we were doing the read

749
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,360
through of the last episode. He's
like, all right, everyone, welcome

750
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:17,920
to the third last episode. Ever. That's cool. Well, at least

751
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,360
they have a sense of yuma.
Yeah, yeah, because you gotta and

752
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:28,159
thank goodness they brought us all back. Because every time a show gets rebooted,

753
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,280
oh, you never know, I
know what you're gonna say, Yeah,

754
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:35,320
what the new executives who just bought
it's like, uh no, let's

755
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,119
uh, let's make it hipper you
know or something or something? Yeah,

756
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:42,400
oh god, yeah. But but
I think it's because we've all been through

757
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,000
that, Yeah, exactly. Something
They replace people. It's like, no,

758
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:52,119
these voices of these characters live in
the fans' heads. Yeah. You

759
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:54,960
don't want to che you don't want
to change your mama's voice. Yeah,

760
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,159
something like that. Huh. I
had an experience like that with Chris for

761
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:06,559
Robin and I was always Pool,
but in the midst of someone's genius.

762
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,000
They and I won't say the guy's
name because that wouldn't be nice, but

763
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,599
they had somebody else do Tigger.
Yeah, they had somebody else do Tiger

764
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:19,760
and yeah, yeah, and they
they did it. Uh, you know,

765
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,039
they they did it all the way, did the whole movie, and

766
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:29,000
they animated mostly to him and uh. I remember my daughter, uh,

767
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,119
my third daughter, Gracie and I
we went down to this is years ago,

768
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:37,000
obviously, went down to see a
rough cut. You know, it

769
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:40,760
was about seventy five seventy percent done, and we're there and we're watching it.

770
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,920
Oh, it's so cute, and
you know, and they've got the

771
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,320
gray stuff. He's out there.
They're not animated yet, they're not computer

772
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,320
generated, and they're all sitting around. It looks kind of funky, and

773
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,559
everything in Tigger came on and he
sounded like Rodney DG. Jiffield and had

774
00:54:54,639 --> 00:55:00,360
Jimmy Doretti Tigger. All right,
hey, okay, forget a but it

775
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,039
pulled my figure. I don't have
one, get out of here, you

776
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:07,440
know. And it was it was
just and and and she looks, she

777
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,280
goes like this, And there were
the three producers behind us, and we're

778
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,239
the only people in the room,
us two and them. And I was

779
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:19,039
like, we can't even pretend,
you know. And and sure enough,

780
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,239
you know, we went through it
a great movie. And uh left her

781
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,440
on the way home and she looks
at me. She goes, Daddy,

782
00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:32,960
you have to save Tigger. So
we did. And then then Mark Forster

783
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:38,840
called two minutes later and said,
Jim, I've asserted that I couldn't be

784
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,719
there today. I had to not
appointment. That popped up something I had

785
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,760
to do. I think we should
talk about Tiger, And I said,

786
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,280
and so we talked about Tigger.
So anyway, so we all got see

787
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,559
Gracey would be a better executive.
Yeah, yeah, we all have little

788
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:04,679
stories like that. I mean recasting
yeah, you I mean Tigger. I

789
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:08,000
mean recasting Tigger when you when they
already have you. That's like, that's

790
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:12,599
like pulling Michael Jordan out of the
fourth quarter of a championship game. I

791
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,960
was just gonna say that, it's
okay, Michael, Michael, Yeah,

792
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,920
yeah, you're good. You're good. We don't want to win. Yeah

793
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:24,199
yeah, mister DeVito, Danny give
me, yeah, here we go.

794
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,920
No, that don't make no sense. No, anyway, we all came

795
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,119
out in the wash. But okay, at least at least there their execu

796
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:36,760
you think shift, Yeah, the
execut you think there's a new term for

797
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,519
you. Everybody. That's good stuff. Man, how has a bang?

798
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:44,400
Getting back with the crew full featurama? Could We spoke to Billy earlier in

799
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,679
the year and he said he was
loving the process. Yeah. Yeah,

800
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:53,719
getting back to it is always great
because it's such an amazingly talented and lovely

801
00:56:54,199 --> 00:57:00,519
group of actors, writers, artists. And the thing is, you know,

802
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:06,280
been doing a show since ninety eight, you've gotten to know everybody,

803
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,239
even like the animation directors. I
mean most shows get to meet the animation

804
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,960
directors. But over the years,
you know, oh we into San Diego

805
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,239
Comic Con whatever. Oh sure,
so you definitely definitely feel like a family.

806
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,880
That's so nice. Although it's funny
because Lauren Tom pointed out that it's

807
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,280
like, oh my god, Phil, do you realize that when we started

808
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,280
Futurama, many of us weren't married
or didn't have kids yet, and now

809
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:37,400
most of us have adults. Yeah, wow, that's pretty cool. Yeah,

810
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:42,679
and we've all shared chunks of our
lives together. Sure and sure,

811
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,840
you know, I mean it doesn't
every job you work on isn't necessarily you

812
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,559
know. Oh yeah, they're not
all Futuramas, right, that one is

813
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:55,800
great? Yeah? Nice? And
Chris had something on his mind. Yeah,

814
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,800
I just wanted to jump back to
pul fishing really quick and ask about

815
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,840
your time on set and if you
have any stories of John Travolta or Sam

816
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,760
Jackson, I'm curious to know.
Well it actually I got a couple of

817
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:17,880
fun stories. One I have to
say thank you to Julia Sweeney because Julia

818
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,960
Sweeney, you know, you know, grownling alum just like me, and

819
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,360
she was on Saturday Night Live.
And that is the reason I'm in pulp

820
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:32,199
fiction. Oh, because Harvey Kaitel
was host of SNL one time when Julie

821
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:37,000
was still and Quinton came with him
to the taping and Julia and Quinton met

822
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:42,599
and became friends. And so then
later after Julia left Saturday Night Live and

823
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:45,079
came back to LA she was doing
an improv show at the Groundlings and she

824
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:49,920
invited Quinton to come do it.
So the first time I met him we

825
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,360
were doing an improv comedy show.
He was actually good. Oh you're kidding,

826
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,840
that's amazing. Well, of course
it was. And so then when

827
00:58:54,840 --> 00:59:00,840
they were casting pulp fiction like a
year later. It funny because the woman

828
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,960
who was casting Ronnie Eskull, had
cast me in an episode of l A

829
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:07,760
Law, just some little bit part, and you know, I heard the

830
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,840
story later she said, Quentin,
for the character of Marvin, there's a

831
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,039
young actor, Phil Lamar, who
I think would be good for. He's

832
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:16,559
like, okay, okay, but
you know there's this black guy at the

833
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:24,119
Growling, so I think it'd be
great find him. Oh man, did

834
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:30,320
you get the job? Oh yeah, but you also lost it. That's

835
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,199
wonderful. Yeah, And it's great
just being able to audition for I mean

836
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:40,000
that script was so great, yeah, because I mean generally when you're auditioning

837
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:44,920
for something, you just whatever whatever. Like after I read through it the

838
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:50,639
second time, I had it memorized
because that's how well written. Every line

839
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,840
came that tweaked, and so doing
that audition felt like you were performing.

840
00:59:55,199 --> 00:59:59,480
And I got to read it with
Quentin. It's a great observation, yeah,

841
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:05,360
you know. And so then I
got the part. And because that

842
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,280
the quality of that script is how
he was able to make a movie with

843
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:15,800
stars that big for only eight million
dollars. Because I bet you Bruce Willis,

844
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,400
John Sam Jackson, all those guys
took a pay cut, oh just

845
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,840
to be part of this, wow, but also to save money. What

846
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:28,039
Quentin did was he had rehearsals like
it was a play. Oh that's cool.

847
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:30,760
Yeah. So we went to the
Sony Studio lot and they, like,

848
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:36,239
you know, had us act out
our apartment scenes. So I remember

849
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,039
going out to Culver City and I
walk in there and there's John Travolta,

850
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:43,199
who I grew up watching. Oh
yeah, Samuel L. Jackson, who's

851
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:45,440
amazing. Oh wow, they just
created an award for him at the con

852
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:50,199
festival. And when I walk in, John goes, oh, wow,

853
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,239
that's a kid. I gotta shoot. The audience is gonna hate me.

854
01:00:53,840 --> 01:01:00,599
Yeah. And the funny thing,
I thought he was just joking, Yeah,

855
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:07,800
but he was I hated him,
but he was because and he actually

856
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,400
they actually wound up changing the scene
because there was originally the scene in the

857
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,960
car where I'm riding in the back
seat and Sam's driving and John's reads from

858
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:20,039
backwards to talk to me with his
gun. He was supposed to shoot me

859
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:22,559
twice. Oh the gun is supposed
to go off accidentally hit me in the

860
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:27,360
throat, and I was supposed to
think, and then they decide, all

861
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,639
right, let's let's put him out
of his misery. I'm hit the horn

862
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:36,360
one, two, three, and
that's when the blast blood and it gets

863
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:37,320
all over them and the like,
yeah, what are we gonna do?

864
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:43,559
But John talked Quintin out of having
it be two shots, like, no,

865
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,920
Quentin, I can't kill him on
purpose. The artist is not gonna

866
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:52,760
like the character there. Yeah that's
right, that's not funny. And Quentin

867
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,039
said, oh, you're right,
and so they change it so it's now

868
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:58,920
so it was just one shot.
But yeah, John was so sweet,

869
01:01:59,519 --> 01:02:02,239
so fun And I remember after the
rehearsal we went to lunch. It's this

870
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,440
little you know, was it Dominican
or Honduran restaurants, Cuver City or something,

871
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:13,760
and the waitress like I don't even
know if she spoke barely any English.

872
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,559
But when she was serving our food, she goes to Quentin's, like

873
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:24,760
Burto, she goes to Sam Kayada, she goes young John Travolta, and

874
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:29,239
I was like, oh my god, that's how famous he is. Like

875
01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:34,719
whatever village in whatever country she grew
up in, everybody had Saturday Night Fever

876
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,320
records. Yes, yes, that's
true's by that, you know, that's

877
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:43,840
how world famous that guy was.
But he was so sweet. He wasn't

878
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,079
like stay away from me. Yeah, you know because on the during the

879
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:50,679
shoot every Friday, you know,
at the end of shoot, all right,

880
01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:52,480
we're going out to drink. That
would pass out flyers this, we're

881
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:57,000
going to drink, and John would
go out to the bar with everybody.

882
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,599
It's like then he got then he
got seven forty seven and in your house.

883
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:04,800
Yeah, I was gonna say he
got it then, Yeah, Nope,

884
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,000
he wanted to hang out with the
crew. Well maybe he owned them.

885
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:12,119
You never know. It might have
been one of those Bill Gates kind

886
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:17,199
of thing. Pulp fiction was that
film though that tended it made John cool

887
01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:20,960
again, didn't it exact? Because
he was he was doing the Look who's

888
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,760
talking films and things like that,
and then boom, he's now you know,

889
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,360
he's vincent in pulp fiction. Yeah, yeah, that, and I

890
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,320
think maybe Urban Cowboy get him a
little boost in there somehow. So I

891
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,039
want to go, I want to
talk about that tasty burger scene. Right,

892
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:38,639
So we there when Samuel was just
doing that big rant. Was he

893
01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:42,239
doing it in front of you or
was that done by himself? No,

894
01:03:42,239 --> 01:03:44,599
No, that was that we were
all in that room together, all in

895
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:46,719
that room. Yeah, take us
take me into your mind in that moment,

896
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:52,840
because that's one of the most iconic
scenes of Yeah. Well, actually,

897
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:59,719
in my mind, I was taking
a masterclass of acting because before we

898
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,280
show the scene, you were off
set and Sam's just nice to talking about

899
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:06,880
his daughter or golf or whatever,
you know, whatever. Then when the

900
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:12,400
cameras start rolling, I'm like,
wait, he went away. He went

901
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,719
away, And all of a sudden, I looked over there and I was

902
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:17,920
looking into the eyes of a different
human being. He had completely transformed.

903
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,440
I'm like, oh, okay,
so that's how you do it. Yeah,

904
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:24,800
yeah, that's how it's done.
Yeah, Because there was one point

905
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,800
in the scene where, you know, in rehearsals, you know, I

906
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,280
say, no, I think it's
over there. It's like, I don't

907
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,280
remember asking you a goddamn thing.
And then he was supposed to look back

908
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,679
to Frank Whaley's character, but while
we were shooting the cameras of rolling,

909
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:39,599
he said, I don't remember asking
you a goddamn thing, and he kept

910
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:44,559
looking at me and I felt actual
scared. Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm

911
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:47,920
actually mad at me. Yeah yeah, yeah. You don't really want to

912
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:55,000
get him pissed even faint, right, even acting it's not Oh yeah,

913
01:04:55,039 --> 01:05:00,440
that was that. That taught me
a lesson about you got to be able

914
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,599
to transform and let the camera feel
that. Because I could feel it in

915
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:08,360
the room, but you could feel
it through the camera too. It's like,

916
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:12,800
yeah, yeah, that's how good
he is. Wow. Amen.

917
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,000
Well, I think at one point
was it was it on IMDb or what

918
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:21,280
what is that thing where you look
up the biggest box office stars of all

919
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,440
times or something? And I think
once he sunk all the way down to

920
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:30,119
third, you know, but it
was it's people like, I mean,

921
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,679
well, because he's done so many
movies, yeah yeah, and there's always

922
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:39,719
behind Frank Welker. Uh yes,
yes, I met it to eight A

923
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,000
long time ago I was eight.
I believe it only because you know,

924
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,000
I was, hey, look out, you know, and that was you

925
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:47,320
know, and it was in Lion
King or something, you know, and

926
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,280
it was stupid stuff like that.
But uh but yeah, I remember that.

927
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:57,320
And uh but Sam has always been
I mean, all the Star Wars

928
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,159
right for bring ding Ding Ding ding
Ding? What else is left? You

929
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:04,000
know, right? Right? And
Avengers? Yeah, the Marvel Yeah,

930
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:10,079
yeah, I mean he's he only
does franchises. I can't believe there's not

931
01:06:10,159 --> 01:06:13,000
like a pulp fiction five out there
somewhere now. Yeah. Well, but

932
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:17,800
that's what's so interesting about Sam is
there are for most actors at his level,

933
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:24,840
you know, they're not in super
popular franchise like Robert de Niro in

934
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,639
a no Marvel movies now, huh
uh. But Sam's at that same level

935
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,119
and also at that same level of
success. Yeah. Yeah, then he

936
01:06:32,199 --> 01:06:38,000
bought the block that Robert de Niro
lives on and shut all your ass on

937
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:43,519
down the street. I would actually
I wish that was true. Actually that

938
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:45,920
would be fun, right. Yeah. I feel like that's starting to change

939
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,079
with the superhero movies now though,
Like the they're getting bigger and bigger actors

940
01:06:50,159 --> 01:06:53,440
in it, and I remember,
you know, like not too long ago,

941
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,519
it was kind of like taboo for
big actors, you know, like

942
01:06:57,079 --> 01:07:00,840
to really do those superhero movies.
But then I guess they got the funds

943
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,239
and they can't say no or well
yeah now I think you know, a

944
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,559
lot of the big actors have stopped
listening to Martin Scorsese. It's like,

945
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:09,480
no, no, these are actually
good movies, Martin, Yeah, yeah,

946
01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:12,880
yeah, no kidding. Well,
and the fact that I mean,

947
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:15,840
I think in the beginning they're you
know, especially with some of those DC

948
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,199
movies, except for Superman. In
the first Batman, yes, there weren't

949
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:24,519
a lot of real quality acting in
it. I agree. It's just like,

950
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:27,079
no, I was just making a
comic book movie. Yeah, get

951
01:07:27,079 --> 01:07:30,679
the colors in. Yeah. But
now they've got a higher quality. Yeah,

952
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:34,199
I agree for sure. So you
feel these characters, like I said

953
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:38,000
before, they're not just playing the
suits no more. Yeah, they're playing

954
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:42,239
Yeah that's right, boy, that's
so true. What's your thoughts on the

955
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,320
idea of some people say, you
know, the actors aren't famous, the

956
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:50,000
characters are in these Marvel films.
Do you believe in that? So the

957
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:55,000
hell with those people? Yeah?
The actors aren't famous the characters. Well,

958
01:07:55,199 --> 01:08:02,840
see the tricky thing there is to
who Yeah, because those characters are

959
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:09,800
famous for a certain you know group
of US comic nerds. Yeah, you

960
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,039
know, but for a lot of
the mainstream people, at least in the

961
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:18,000
beginning. I think that's actually the
reason that Marvel was able to jump off

962
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:24,800
so well, because they started with
one of their B list heroes, not

963
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,560
one of their A lists, so
that they could transform it and make it

964
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,720
the kind the version of the character
that worked best in the movie, Like

965
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,680
when you do iron like we needed
iron Man. When John fefrou did iron

966
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:41,359
Man, most people in mainstream American
culture they didn't know nothing about iron Man.

967
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,279
Oh wow. But if iron Man
had been Superman or Batman, even

968
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:48,840
the people who didn't read comic books
would have an opinion. No, no,

969
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,000
you can't give him that kind of
goate. Yeah, and I'd love

970
01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:55,760
those movies, by the way,
the Iron Man movies. Yeah, I

971
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,199
don't think Marvel makes it. I
mean what you're talking about. That was

972
01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:00,640
the first one, right, Yeah, yeah, I think so too.

973
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:05,039
And I remember seeing him flying through
the sky then all of a sudden it

974
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:10,239
hits the after burner and then he
just fantished. I go, okay,

975
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:14,000
I'm gonna go see that. I'm
gonna go see that because it looked like

976
01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:16,880
the comic books were drawn. They
drew the comic book. Yeah, I

977
01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:21,399
was like, oh hell, yes, well and and I mean Favreaux was

978
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,920
genius in that. Yeah. He
wasn't like trying to make it just like

979
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,239
a filmed version of the comic book. He took the good stuff from the

980
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:33,159
comics, the action designs, but
he shifted, you know. He gave

981
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:38,359
us this sense of this you know
guy, yeah, this rich guy.

982
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,079
But also the technology. Well,
if Tony Stark is a tech person,

983
01:09:42,199 --> 01:09:45,520
let's do it like that whole thing
where the robots oh yes, absolutely are

984
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,840
doing things like you never saw that
in a comic Yeah yeah, oh yeah,

985
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:53,479
but that works better in a movie. Like in a comic book,

986
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,600
if you were just to draw a
machine that is like, no, I

987
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,039
don't it doesn't have an expression.
Yeah yeah, but on film you can

988
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:02,880
give it a feel. And I
remember thinking, oh boyd, the times

989
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,520
have changed, because when I first
started reading it, it wasn't the war

990
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:12,079
in Afghanistan. It was Vietnam.
Yes, it was in Vietnam that that

991
01:10:12,199 --> 01:10:15,600
happened and uh shifted it. Yeah. You gotta keep up with the times.

992
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:19,920
You gotta shift bad guys, you
know. And also, I mean

993
01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:26,000
when you adapt something from one you
know, medium to another, you gotta

994
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:29,159
make changes. Oh yeah, you
know, you can't just know. I'm

995
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:32,880
gonna do it exacts. I'm gonna
just film the blocks, you know,

996
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,600
the panels from the comic. No, yeah, the comic book is not

997
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,800
you know, yeah, the sketch. So he adapted it, you know,

998
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,560
just like a novel. You bet. You don't make sure the scene

999
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,760
is as long as it takes me
to read it. Yeah, that's true.

1000
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:54,880
Yeah, it'd be weeks long for
me. Yeah. He did the

1001
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,600
same thing with Mandalorian as well,
as he was able to take something that

1002
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,600
took the elements at the hard cores
owls fans would love and also things that

1003
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,439
just a mainstream audience would love and
can bond them. Because for a while,

1004
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,119
after those sakes came out for Star
Wars, people were sort of going

1005
01:11:06,199 --> 01:11:10,600
yeah, not really wasn't really sold
on those, But when Mandalorian came out,

1006
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,840
it was like unbelievated. Who would
have thought a show about a Mandalorian

1007
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,520
would take off like it? Did
right. Well, I mean it's again

1008
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,319
back to Jean Favreau exactly, but
also with Dave Filoni, Dave Felona.

1009
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:24,960
Yeah, yeah, because they with
the Mandalorian, I felt like they relaunched

1010
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,079
Star Wars like the way the original
movie did. I agree, And it's

1011
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:34,159
I think it's because they approached that
series very similar to the way George approached

1012
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:40,319
the first movie. Like he was
thinking about those you know movies he had

1013
01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:43,039
grown up watching, you know,
and he's like, Okay, but now

1014
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:46,520
I'm gonna put it in space.
You know those Cliffhangers. Yeah, he

1015
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,880
did a space version of that.
But for the Mandalorian, they had this,

1016
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:57,359
they did a space version of a
sixties classic western, and you know,

1017
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,399
it sort of felt that way because
if everything there felt genuine, Yes,

1018
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,279
you know, the props and the
you know, the street light was

1019
01:12:03,359 --> 01:12:06,159
broken, you know stuff like that. I mean, you know, there's

1020
01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:10,840
rust on this thing over there,
and that's that's how it would be,

1021
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,800
you know, out there in the
desert getting pounded by the sand and everything.

1022
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,159
And and I just thought the idea
of the Mandalorian always wearing the hat

1023
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:23,119
was good. And then they took
it off, and then I thought Okay,

1024
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,199
so he's not like then now he's
human, right, you know,

1025
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,239
he wasn't the guy on behind the
thing, you know that guy whatever.

1026
01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:36,159
Yeah, stroke of genius, absolutely, yeah. I mean I have a

1027
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:42,000
interesting mandalorians for that. I guess
I can tell now, yes you can.

1028
01:12:42,079 --> 01:12:46,000
For a while I couldn't. But
when they were first developing it,

1029
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:56,159
because one of the new things they
were doing was taking favreause technology from Lion

1030
01:12:56,279 --> 01:13:00,760
King, where he had the digital
CG backgrounds, but they were going to

1031
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,239
use that for live action, you
know, so instead of having to fly

1032
01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:11,199
to the Middle East, you know, for tattooine, they could build it

1033
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,159
digitally. And yeah, they did
that with the last Jungle Book, right

1034
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:17,359
yeah, jungle Bo jungle Bo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're talking

1035
01:13:17,359 --> 01:13:19,920
about the volume, right yeah,
yeah, shooting it in a volume.

1036
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:26,880
And so as a sort of proof
to the executives, to show them how

1037
01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:35,840
great this was gonna be, they
had to do a semi animated version of

1038
01:13:36,039 --> 01:13:42,880
the first couple of episodes, and
so they brought a handful of US voice

1039
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,560
actors in to help them do that. They had like the first couple of

1040
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,439
scripts and they said, hey,
guys, can you just voice this we're

1041
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:55,960
gonna do a little rough animation but
use the actual backgrounds. So I flew

1042
01:13:56,039 --> 01:14:01,680
up to Lucasfilm and voiced the Mandalorian. Baby wow, wow is right.

1043
01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:08,640
And it was amazing because I remember
there was another session where we were doing

1044
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:14,359
it and they brought Dee Baker in
to voice that little like pig faced alien.

1045
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,920
Right. Episode wound up being voiced
by Nick Nolty. Oh okay,

1046
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:23,600
yes that's right. But you know
they were thinking at the times like,

1047
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,680
well, we're not gonna We're gonna
just have him speak in his alien language

1048
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,319
and you know, have the dialogue, you know, subtitles underneath him.

1049
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:35,880
So I'm in this booth, you
know, playing voicing the Mandalorian and d

1050
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:44,079
is doing this He's making up an
alien language. Yes, yes, you

1051
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:46,479
know, like this this big alien. And it's like, okay, D.

1052
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,880
In this next scene he's meeting with
these Javas, so he's speaking jaw.

1053
01:14:50,039 --> 01:14:56,199
So then he's speaking Jawa with his
pig alien accent, and I just

1054
01:14:56,239 --> 01:15:00,399
remember going, yeah, yeah,
that's cool. How the hell somebody to

1055
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,920
do that? Yeah, yeah,
oh that's good stuff. Yeah, he

1056
01:15:03,079 --> 01:15:08,279
was incredible, And did they any
of that get hit? See the light

1057
01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:10,640
of day was it? Did it
make it just to show it was just

1058
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,640
panamatic? They get rid of all
that stuff just to show how the would

1059
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,640
look. Yeah. So did you
know about the baby Yoda thing or is

1060
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,600
that not part of that? No? No, I didn't know about that

1061
01:15:21,239 --> 01:15:26,359
until AFA because you know, because
they didn't show us the entire thing.

1062
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:30,600
Yeah, but yeah, that that
was. That was an amazing thing that

1063
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,680
they put into it. Wow,
you know, yeah, actually kidding,

1064
01:15:34,119 --> 01:15:39,119
I bet you when George watched his
like, oh damn it, I wish

1065
01:15:39,159 --> 01:15:44,600
I had done that in seventy seven. I want to sell five times more

1066
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,039
toys. Yeah, yeah, that's
true. Yeah. Boy, you see

1067
01:15:48,079 --> 01:15:51,600
that little guy everywhere, don't you. Oh yeah, I go to these

1068
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,239
cons and what do you how do
you like that little bit? And there's

1069
01:15:55,279 --> 01:15:58,439
a tattoo of the little guy?
And I go, oh that's great,

1070
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,800
right, I mean, oh,
okay, Yeah. Do you ever have

1071
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,279
a lot of people have you ever
come up to you and showed you a

1072
01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:11,039
tattoo of your character here and there? Any given character? I well,

1073
01:16:11,079 --> 01:16:15,600
actually I see a lot of Futurama
tattoos. Yes, so maybe it's usually

1074
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,600
you know, probably of a planet
express ship or yeah, a bender or

1075
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:23,479
something. Yeah, that's true.
I actually I'm trying to remember if anybody

1076
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:28,520
has ever had a Hermes maybe just
a Hermi's wig. Okay, everybody,

1077
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:33,520
you've got your you've got your walking
orders. Now more Hermies character, more

1078
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:38,960
fill my tattoos out here, please. Although, have you ever had an

1079
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:45,199
experience at a con where the fans
taught you a you know, catchphrase?

1080
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,119
Oh, because I remember, like, you know, we've we've been doing

1081
01:16:49,119 --> 01:16:53,239
Futurama for a while, but somebody
said, hey, can can you?

1082
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,439
I don't can when you signing that? Can you do that great phrase?

1083
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,920
You do? Like what sweet lion? No, no, my man?

1084
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:04,520
And which like whoa I forgot I
said that in episode once. Oh,

1085
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:11,560
but then I realized that everybody considered
that something, that that's Herms's catchphrase.

1086
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,920
Mike, it is oh okay,
yeah, yeah it is okay. Not

1087
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,159
the rhyming ones. Oh yeah yeah. I would think, my mind,

1088
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:24,560
witch, everybody wants that sign.
That's funny, my man, witch.

1089
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,000
Although occasionally somebody will come up to
the table with a can of man.

1090
01:17:29,119 --> 01:17:31,159
Yeah, that's what I was gonna
do this. I was thinking, that's

1091
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:35,319
a real thing, isn't it kind
of like Sloppy Joe's or something. It's

1092
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:38,560
like, oh right, I'll sign
it, but make sure you eat it

1093
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:43,439
before it's a thousand years. Yes, no kidding, Oh god, Oh

1094
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,680
that's great. Well this seems like
a good segue. We like to do

1095
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:49,920
this thing on Jim's podcast where we
trade trade voices and trade lines. Would

1096
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,479
you be willing to do that?
So I'll feed you align with one of

1097
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,720
his characters. You say it in
one of your characters voices and vice versa.

1098
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,119
Okay, okay, Well how about
should I start with dark Wing?

1099
01:18:01,359 --> 01:18:05,680
Yeah, I am the terror that
flaps in the night. I am the

1100
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:12,279
terror that flaps in the night.
Oh man, that's good. That's wicked

1101
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:23,159
good. Okay, so don't slap
me there. We don't try this at

1102
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:25,680
home, kids, We did get
We need to get a Samurai Jack one

1103
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,039
in there somewhere as well. No
matter where you go, there you are,

1104
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,039
so keep on bouncing. No matter
where you go, there you are,

1105
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:41,439
so keep on the bouncing. That's
perfectly in character. Yeah, oh

1106
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:47,600
man, I have to hear Winnie
the Pooh scream my man with my man

1107
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:57,199
witch with a little honey onto hippefo
s book twist to eat. Yeah,

1108
01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:05,199
it's not a gummy bears. We
book good away, it's not a gummy

1109
01:19:05,239 --> 01:19:11,560
anything. Yes, that's right.
Oh man, can we just touch on

1110
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,359
can we just touch on Clone Wars
before we wrap up? Because you know

1111
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,720
you both have been in Clone Wars
with Hondo and Kit fist because Kit is

1112
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:20,920
such he's like the coolest Jedi,
don't you think? Yes, Kit Fistoo

1113
01:19:21,039 --> 01:19:28,159
is the one that shows you that
even a Jedi con smaye or even sometimes

1114
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:35,640
tick off your shirt. Oh man, and he's a Clone Wars or oh

1115
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:41,319
no, Kit was in Clone Wars
okay? Good? In Rebels, I

1116
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:46,600
uh voiced bail Senator Bayle Organa because
apparently Jimmy Smith is a little busy.

1117
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:53,920
Yeah yeah, well I voted for
you first enator. Did you grow did

1118
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,119
you grow up a Star Wars fan? Philm oh yes? Yes, And

1119
01:19:57,319 --> 01:20:02,039
to finally be able to play a
Jedi after watching the first Star Wars movie

1120
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,319
at ten, Yeah, yeah,
that was such a dream come true.

1121
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:11,680
Yeah yeah, I agree. Just
being involved with it and as a hubcap

1122
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,439
would would be fine with me,
right, yeah, yeah, I couldn't

1123
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,520
agree more. Something to be really
proud of, you know. Yeah,

1124
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:23,359
well, of course I remember that
time I worked with George Lucas, my

1125
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:30,199
close personal friend George. Yeah that's
fun. Yeah that works. Oh that's

1126
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:33,359
good stuff man. Well, thank
you so very much for being here.

1127
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:40,159
Thank you. I'm so so so
happy. Oh my gosh, Phil Lamar,

1128
01:20:40,319 --> 01:20:45,399
everybody and any any parting questions phrases
or because we're going to keep this

1129
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:50,800
guy and get him in trouble with
the wife. All right, Well,

1130
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,399
that was tuned in with Jim Cummings. Thank you for joining us for another

1131
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,359
episode with Phil Lamar. Pleasure to
have you, and don't forget to like

1132
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,359
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1133
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:06,079
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1134
01:21:06,119 --> 01:21:09,520
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