WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:21.079 Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the 2 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:27.679 train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I 3 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:33.039 want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world, 4 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:38.439 a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace 5 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:45.719 and freedom. The train of life is a magaxin of good news and hope. 6 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:54.119 This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so 7 00:00:54.240 --> 00:01:00.000 many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us authentic, nte 8 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:07.840 free, come I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of 9 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:17.079 all, which will certainly take you to safe harbour. This is the train 10 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:53.319 of life. Good world, well, good morning Spain, bon day. 11 00:01:53.920 --> 00:02:00.000 Friends and friends, welcome to this traveling train. It' s like life 12 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:05.200 itself, the train of unstoppable life. We' re going to travel with 13 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:07.520 good friends this morning. I ask you to accompany me and enjoy it. 14 00:02:07.599 --> 00:03:09.719 We also go there, ladies and gentlemen, very well found this summer morning. 15 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:15.360 But this already seems to be serious. Summer' s here, and 16 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:16.680 no one knows how it' s been. If we' ve found out 17 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:22.159 he' s here, we' re in almost semi- holistic mode, 18 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:25.919 but not at all. Here we are to accompany you with good proposals, 19 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:32.960 good interviews some other curiosity also that always appear our dialogues with the guests, 20 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:39.199 curiosities, because we are eternal curious about things that we do not understand well, 21 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:45.039 but more than curiosity, are relevant questions that we are going to talk 22 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.560 about today. For example, look at our first interview we have here in 23 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.560 study with David Perez. David Pérez is a teacher, but he is also 24 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:59.360 the director of a ministry called OZ and this ministry is a ministry of help 25 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:03.560 and how to deal with the issue of pornography, a subject of rabid current 26 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:11.360 affairs, the government is trying to get out of the way of a society 27 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:18.519 that is sick with sex addiction and this distortion of the hypersexualization we are living 28 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:21.879 in. So, this is a topic to talk about and to speak it 29 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.759 out, and to speak it out in an authoritative way. And David Prez 30 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:29.199 knows what he' s talking about is a lecturer. We have had it 31 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:32.199 in different forums with us I think it is one of the key people for 32 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:40.560 dealing with the issue of pornography, which is a social pandemic. Look outside 33 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:45.319 in the secular world, but within the Christian churches themselves, I no longer 34 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:54.639 say evangelical, Catholic, interfaith. This has become a real pandemic that needs 35 00:04:55.199 --> 00:05:00.199 to be tackled because it destroys. It' s totally self- destructive and 36 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.639 we' ll talk to him about how to overcome pornography addiction. But there 37 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:06.759 ' s a lot more we' ll talk about here. But he also 38 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:13.319 teaches courses that are of a process, of a period to work this seriously 39 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:16.639 and in depth we talk with David Pérez. Don' t miss it here 40 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:26.399 on the train of life, our friend Daniel Ofkan, pro journalist wherever they 41 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:30.879 are, director of digital Protestants as always with that agile milk of Daniel and 42 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:35.600 we talk a little bit about today. We looked a little at the current 43 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:41.360 window. One thing that will not overlook us is the sporting illusion that our 44 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:46.000 selection is reaching the end of the Eurocup and that we can win it. 45 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.680 It' s possible, it' s very possible. We' ll see 46 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:55.839 about Sunday. There are swords high, but also some other question of the 47 00:05:55.959 --> 00:06:00.959 social and political chronicle, of general interest, some notes and some questions also 48 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:09.120 of our Protestant realm, where we have things to say to make a bet 49 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.879 a day. Don' t miss the other side of the other look today. 50 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:20.600 With Daniel Ozena here on the train of life and our friend Joaquin there 51 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:27.079 is a true dean of shepherds. You know, Joaquin Llebra is a very 52 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:31.720 multifaceted man, he' s a pro- Hebraist whom I think he' 53 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:33.959 s the best I' ve ever known in our country as a workman. 54 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:42.639 He is also a university professor of English philology. Well he' s a 55 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:47.480 man who has an impressive résumé, magnificent theologian, and we wanted to talk 56 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:51.839 to him about a subject that looks, looks good, a little inconsequential, 57 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:54.240 but he' s not so much. Hey, we talked about it. 58 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.519 It' s sin. Sin, sab En, the sin of a religious 59 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:04.079 lie, is the repressive idea of Jewish Christianity. Or what sin is. 60 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:09.800 Someone can' t really explain it in a clear way, not in an 61 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:15.279 anodyne way, and sometimes they say it in a somewhat caricatured way. Or 62 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:19.240 spermetic. Someone can explain it well and if it is true this sin actually, 63 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:24.240 how it affects us. Well, then, don Joaquin Yebra is going 64 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:26.680 to help us this morning here on the train of life. Don' t 65 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:33.279 miss it too. Let' s go there with me You can send your 66 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.560 message through our Facebook. Through our Facebook. Entering in three double months, 67 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:41.199 point the train of life, point is the train of life, point is. 68 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.800 They remember that this way you collaborate with us. Tell us your impressions, 69 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:51.120 ask us and participate actively. We want to meet you, we want 70 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:56.680 to meet you. He' ll be on our page. Well, three 71 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.920 month double point, the train of life. Point is, and if we 72 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:20.759 so, powerful, invincible, admirable, great strong God, King of amazing 73 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:54.159 unmatched kings are all mighty amazing your great tersincreti fortunes little money or wow Wow, 74 00:09:11.080 --> 00:10:18.720 Wow Wow? 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The train 94 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:39.639 of life, point, the train of dead life or s Ladies, gentlemen, 95 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:46.519 ladies and gentlemen, also welcome to this magisterial wagon, the train of 96 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:50.279 life with David Perez, welcome, David, thank you very much, thank 97 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:54.279 you for taking time. I know you' ve got your schedule too. 98 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.200 Uh, I don' t know, it' s a pleasure to have 99 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:03.440 you come from there from your town. I don' t care Cardedeu the 100 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:09.600 pretty cart de deusi Well, let' s talk about a topic, the 101 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.320 issue of addiction to pornography. It' s a plague, it' s 102 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.840 a social pandemic that right now. I' m going to question him He 103 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:18.679 ' s already given a vine on this subject. Pornography addiction is defined as 104 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:26.320 a compulsive and continuous consumption of pornographic material that negatively affects a person' s 105 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:30.159 life because it interferes with his or her personal, family and even work life. 106 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.240 It' s a very brief definition. There is much more to be 107 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:41.720 said about this and there are families who suffer from it and there are communities 108 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.679 or individuals who suffer from it and feel like a kind of prison that they 109 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:48.399 don' t know well. In fact, some have come to despair with 110 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:54.720 this issue as well and have committed madness. David, the addiction to pornography 111 00:14:54.799 --> 00:15:01.759 is so broad. Before you talk about it, because I have heard you 112 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.720 at conferences and I see you on the forums and now Protestant Diffitial forms a 113 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:13.960 magnificent interview that is there and then they demand you for forums and conferences and 114 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:20.480 churches as well, but in public places and in the media and the truth 115 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:26.519 that we love, as you know what I like about the technical and familiar 116 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:33.360 question of the matter, but also with that dose of spirituality, that is 117 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.679 what sometimes they miss without exaggerating, it is as if they throw a lot 118 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.720 of room to the food or too much sugar sweets in the brain, then 119 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:46.279 it is lost, but when you know to season it with one thing and 120 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.679 more, in our case, in our field. But where does your interest 121 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:56.039 in working in depth with the issue of sex addiction come from in such a 122 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:03.200 perverted way as pornography? Where is it coming from? It comes from my 123 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:10.240 personal experience, from having overcome an addiction, but it comes from above also 124 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.519 because I did not overcome it, but Jesus freed me. And a little 125 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:22.000 later, Jesus himself called me to do it. So it wasn' t 126 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.360 my illusion to do it, nor was it a subject that interested me, 127 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:27.080 because, having been addicted eleven years, he doesn' t want to know 128 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.600 anything about that world. But God called me back and from there came an 129 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:37.159 experience of liberation and a call and what he hears. This is characteristic in 130 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.600 many cases of someone who has been on it and that when he says well, 131 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.159 Mr Ahabó, I no longer want to know about this. I' 132 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:48.919 m fine, and let someone else do it. And so it happened to 133 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:53.240 me also with a community that we opened up of drug rehabilitation in the eighties 134 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.759 and I came from that environment of the rabal And such and I told them 135 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:02.600 Lord I don' t want to know anything about that. It' s 136 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:07.960 good. It got me into it not and we were practically ten years almost 137 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:11.240 and then we gave it to him to rhyme. But, well, there 138 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.799 are people who came out cured. Among them a Juan Pasquina, who has 139 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:19.839 a well- known center of the room, but means you see the benefit 140 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:26.079 of because you have as a vaccine effect. When the one who has experienced 141 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:30.640 it and teaches it, but also you teach it in a very didactic way, 142 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:37.119 very well informed, then the idea is born from there, from that 143 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.759 is his experience. Yeah, yeah, he gets out of there. It 144 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.160 doesn' t mean that everyone who suffers from addiction then has to help others. 145 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:48.079 I don' t think it' s something that applies to everyone, 146 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:53.000 but when you' ve lived in your flesh and the person you talk to 147 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.319 knows you' ve lived it. There is much more trust, there is 148 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:00.680 much more empathy and also someone from outside is helping you out. Therefore, 149 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.400 it gives you hope that you can get out. Or he' s talking 150 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:07.119 to the guy last week that he was telling me, but of course, 151 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:11.640 you' re telling me, but you can really get out of here and 152 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:17.720 I don' t see it in you, but I can' t imagine 153 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:18.599 I don' t have a person who' s the example of getting out. 154 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:29.400 With Jesus helps very clearly, there are tools, therapeutic treatments, psychotherapeutics, 155 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:34.400 guidelines that is good, something that is available also, but that does 156 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:40.039 not always give the desired result, no, unfortunately, but good in some 157 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:44.279 cases, yes, in others no, because, for example, But what 158 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.359 is addiction to pornography? How would you define it as an addiction to pornography? 159 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:59.960 I' d say it' s addiction to sick behavior and slavery to 160 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:07.839 get a dose of tiny dopamine and have orgasms with this mixture of chemicals in 161 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.079 the brain, which is explosive. So it' s not so much that 162 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:17.319 I get hooked on pornography, but that my brain produces such a lot of 163 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:22.039 chemicals that, in the end, I just want that and everything gets numb 164 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:25.160 from another kind of pleasure, this kind of life. And you can only 165 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:30.279 get that, because it' s only within reach of the toughest drugs that 166 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:34.160 the brain produces with pornography. And besides, you, when you' re 167 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:41.720 masturbating by watching it, you' re creating a bond with what you' 168 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:47.079 re seeing, so you' re physically, spiritually, neuronally hooked, even 169 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:52.480 a high of hormones that nothing in the real world can compare to, of 170 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:59.759 course, because clearly, pornography is one, it' s an supra- 171 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.160 reality that doesn' t even happen in sexual intercourse. Well, we don 172 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:08.279 ' t talk about using wild compulsive sex masochism that that' s sporadic cases 173 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:15.200 and that also reveal a dysfunction in sexual intercourse. But it' s such 174 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:22.319 a brutal distortion of sexuality that, of course, it creates addiction. No 175 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:26.200 yes, that is what is called a super abnormal stimulus, which is an 176 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:30.640 exaggerated version of something that already happens in something that is present in real life. 177 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:34.920 For example, when we see a McDonald' s ad that' s 178 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:41.079 food, but there' s the adulterated image and it' s bright and 179 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:41.319 smoke comes out and it' s playful and it' s a lot of 180 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.880 version. Doesn' t look like the burger you take, but your brain 181 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:45.720 is saying yes, yes, yes, yes? I want that, yeah. 182 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:49.240 The truth that happens with people when they show them to you on screen 183 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:55.839 at that level of excitement they end up attracting you more than real people do. 184 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.880 I remember when I was young, I met Jesus at the age of 185 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:04.559 eighteen, but as much as I had been able to see were magazines in 186 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:08.359 those years, no, and obviously you were there. He wasn' t 187 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:14.960 addicted to this, much less sexually promiscuous, but he wasn' t addicted 188 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.279 to this. But I found it very beast, very wild yet and not 189 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:26.319 being a believer with Christian values. I didn' t think it was very 190 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:29.799 wild, because they were tickling what it is now, what it is now 191 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:33.079 look at. It' s just that already, well, I haven' 192 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:41.000 t seen it because but I received an important and I don' t feel 193 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:45.920 like knowing either, because there are so many people in all social settings that 194 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:52.440 good that social appearance and such seems normalized, but that they are addicted to 195 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:56.000 sex and about compulsive sexual relations. That' s, that' s a 196 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:00.279 disease. No, but this is I say, it has become the whole 197 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:06.720 hillbilly say because it is not only men who have a more or compulsive bestiality. 198 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:08.680 It' s also women. True, yes, there are more and 199 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:15.680 more women who since young people are getting pornography because, even if it is 200 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.799 sexual content, it is the excitement that produces it is the pleasure that the 201 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:21.640 brain produces that engages you more than the images. In fact, addicts confess 202 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:25.359 to you. I' ve been seeing things I don' t even like. 203 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:30.160 That doesn' t appeal to me if I use my mind. This 204 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.640 is not logical, I don' t like it, but my brain asks 205 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:34.759 for more and more. It' s the same with women. More and 206 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:41.920 more outside and inside the church are consuming pornography. There, too, pornography 207 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:48.079 in all areas, but also in homosexuals, but of all kinds. Sure, 208 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:51.839 hopefully everything you can imagine has a porn genre Yes, yes, yes, 209 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:56.240 so of course now it seems that the government wants very much I say 210 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:03.839 a little LII with this kind of folder of the law exactly did not go 211 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:07.759 deep. I think he' s the scribe minister. I don' t 212 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:11.759 know if he' s proposing this issue. How about one of those is 213 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:18.279 like almost nothing. I don' t think it' s a good sign 214 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.480 that society, titles. Therefore, society is beginning to see that, at 215 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:25.880 least for children, the consumption of pornography is something that must be avoided. 216 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:30.119 So, to me it' s already great, great news. Five years 217 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.440 ago we wouldn' t be talking about this. What happens to me is 218 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.720 that yes, well, besides it' s technically very complicated, very complicated 219 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:42.960 to control that there' s the notion that for adults watching good pornography or 220 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:48.839 a healthy dose of pornography is totally sustainable. And for me there' s 221 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:53.119 the mistake. We adults have to understand that it' s not doing us 222 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:59.400 any good, plus disturbing us with pornography. Of course, in no case, 223 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:07.160 because then pornography creates, I would say dysfunctional pathology. Right questions how 224 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.000 to understand, for example, when you see a woman as a sexual object. 225 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:18.720 Purely from there sexual assaults are also in many cases motivated by the influence 226 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:26.960 of sex addiction, the perversion of the idea. Of course, the most 227 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:30.319 important sexual organ is the brain. And when from the age of ten you 228 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:37.799 are seeing hard sex and learning to have orgasms and to connect neuronally with those 229 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:41.519 images and those actions, the sex that you can have an intimate relationship of 230 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.799 respect does not meet those expectations, because it does not give the same high. 231 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:51.599 So there are many people who are forced to try other things or ask 232 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:55.480 for other things to have the same level of excitement or even introduce videos, 233 00:24:55.880 --> 00:25:00.200 because if I can' t reach orgasm, because I have to masturbate, 234 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:06.680 I can have sex with my wife without pornography. There are people who say 235 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:12.599 good. I occasionally see pornography or such or couples who even use pornography to 236 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:18.799 get more excited and in sexual intercourse, because they think they don' t 237 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.160 give much of themselves or they' re out there frigidity or whatever it was. 238 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.839 And then that emulation, that, that' s it. I think 239 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:30.519 that' s the wrong one. Not good. It' s bringing other 240 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.440 people to your marriage bed, it' s opening your bedroom door, introducing 241 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:40.079 strangers who are fornicating or aching. There' s nothing positive about that for 242 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:45.480 me, plus if you talk to addict wives, because yes, it' 243 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:47.720 s true that there are women, but every time there are, there are 244 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:52.680 always more men. Wives are usually humiliated by comparison to people who see on 245 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:57.880 the screen and those who excite their husband. Then they quickly feel betrayed and 246 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:06.359 inward about what their husband is used to masturbating. See Hey really what it 247 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:11.119 said that the social appearance of so many good people, but that being hooked 248 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.599 is a plague in the social sphere at a general level. Well people are 249 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:19.519 saying I am a pornographer, but they are there is a fact that being 250 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:27.319 and within the Christian realm of all confessions professed a faith that seems to have 251 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:33.960 values to guard itself from sexual disorder, but there are also quite serious problems. 252 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.279 In fact, what we see is that the numbers of society as a 253 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:44.480 whole are not very different from those of the Church. It is something in 254 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:48.640 which the Church has adopted the culture, the way of being of the world, 255 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:56.039 and we are seeing numbers never surprising, but it is of all men 256 00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:00.480 and women. Four out of ten are usually watching porn. Men in three 257 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:04.279 are seeing him weekly in leadership. There is the same more than one in 258 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:08.519 three leaders in the Church are with tremendous porn. Almost half. They saw 259 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.640 before the age of twelve and we saw a claim that was that one in 260 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:18.240 three Christians. It is true that the vast majority answered evangelicals, but one 261 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:23.759 in three Christians admit that they tried to stop consuming porn and not have succeeded 262 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:29.240 in it. This is, this is scary. It' s good, 263 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.480 first for those who suffer from it, themselves and their partners when they' 264 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.880 re couples. And there' s an impact on the family for the children. 265 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:44.039 Of course it is this inheritance for the children, even if the first 266 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:48.720 - hand children know it. But there you are making a subjective transmission about 267 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:56.000 the family. In short, addiction through sex pornography is a total human disaster. 268 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:03.640 It is a frontal attack on the most sacred and most nuclear institution in 269 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:08.400 society, which is marriage and the family. It is a frontal attack directed 270 00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:15.480 from the dark to destroy people and their families and it does. Besides, 271 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.759 if from common sense we say good. But this, besides, isn' 272 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.720 t this real? This isn' t real? This isn' t real? 273 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:26.480 Isn' t that real? But if I want to subdue you to 274 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.720 that to stimulate and go the same way, either you' re a lava 275 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.400 fool or you get caught and in the end you' re stuck in the 276 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:38.920 reg or you' ve grown up before having the first kiss you' ve 277 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.039 seen a gang rape on a screen and you' ve gotten excited about it. 278 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.559 Then there' s no other way to look at this kind of savagery. 279 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:51.880 But, for example, how to know if you' re addicted to 280 00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:59.880 watching pornography, what are the signs that might be for you? I' 281 00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:04.920 m a porn addict. For example, there are things like this idea of 282 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:10.839 watching pornography, having sex with my right partner. Sometimes I' d rather 283 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.960 watch pornography than meet my partner or friends. I' m having a hard 284 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.240 time spending a whole day without watching pornography. I' ve been switching my 285 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.160 leisure to recreational activities for the consumption of pornography. The graphic porn content you 286 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:27.200 are looking for has to be more intense for more exciting. Not then, 287 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:33.799 these are all questions that are practically pathological. Not if you can stop to 288 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.240 see that I don' t know, I put my job at risk, 289 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.599 for example, because I' m consuming in my workplace or my school performance 290 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.720 is going down a lot, because I can only think about this. I 291 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.279 no longer stay with my friends but I would go a little further and I 292 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:56.640 would also think I see for not as long as I am sad or whenever 293 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:02.000 I am stressed, it is my place of refuge, even if it is 294 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:07.839 once every three months it doesn' t matter when I am alone that I 295 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.680 seek this pornography because it is a slavery and it is an idol, then 296 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:18.000 you go, when you are wrong, it is not only the frequency, 297 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.359 but it is to orbit around this false god which is pornography, it is 298 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.119 to know that when I am angry with my partner, that is where I 299 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:26.640 am going to go, when it is always there is the son as an 300 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.920 idol and creates slavery. The theme is that, slavery, not just editing, 301 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.359 slavery that you can' t make of yourself. And, moreover, 302 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:38.119 it is pernicious, because it distorts reality in every way, the reality of 303 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:45.680 sexual relationship in any case and it is but how pleasure works this in this 304 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:53.480 clear. There' s a gratification there. You have said before that one 305 00:30:55.079 --> 00:31:00.920 seeks self- gratification through pornography, but how does that sense of pleasure and 306 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:07.400 expert work. But they' re talking about neurotransmitters, which are the hormones 307 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.720 the brain produces. When neurons are joined together, they connect with each other 308 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:17.519 and a chemical reaction occurs that creates pleasure. So, for example, if 309 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:26.759 I am always together an orgasm with a woman naked better naked, these two 310 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:32.359 neurons thanks to dopamine, they connect, then, every time I see that, 311 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.440 I will feel that need to masturbate more and more until they develop, 312 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:42.759 get used to and stop having so much sensitivity to neurons, because they can 313 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:48.720 ' t manage so much pleasure and then you have to look more extreme so 314 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.880 that again you have the same feeling. It' s all in the Olympic 315 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.640 system of the brain. It is the most animal part God designed to benefit 316 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:02.839 us, because, for example, when a woman is nursing babies, the 317 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.119 two people are having success in their brain, which is the hormone of bonding, 318 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:13.279 of attachment to well- being, because the survival of one depends on 319 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.440 the other. That' s God' s designs. The brain that like 320 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:21.359 rewards us things that are good for us, but pornography, like the other 321 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:30.440 drugs, comes to destroy this natural and divine level of rewards. They are 322 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.960 treats that the brain gives, but at a much higher level. It' 323 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.079 s the same thing with tiktok and it' s a very descriptive way of 324 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:45.240 begging and very didactic, and how you can get clear pornography. One makes 325 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:50.039 an incursion into pornography and I' ve already looked around and I' m 326 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.880 leaving like that, but how can it become addiction in that, because almost 327 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:59.839 this is cheating. There are no different risk factors, but usually yes. 328 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:06.400 If it' s a child' s first quote sexual situation, this first 329 00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:08.200 memory is going to stay there forever, because it' s the first. 330 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:12.480 The first time I, for example, were three brothers, the first time 331 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:15.799 I saw a naked woman' s body that wasn' t my mother. 332 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:19.799 It was with pornography. That, but how old you were, for example, 333 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.359 I was eleven when I was first. That' s why my amazement 334 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:27.759 is that children are a plague of children. Now how is that, because 335 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.240 they have mobile phones and tables all day in hand. But, but it 336 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:36.359 ' s barbarous and clear. Already there is generated a distortion of that of 337 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:40.799 human sexuality and an addiction, a pathology, because a child, when he 338 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:45.319 sees it, feels at the same time, if I remember perfectly, he 339 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:50.200 feels at the same time disgusted as what this is and at the same time 340 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.960 fascination with the chemist and the chemicals of the brain. Then he doesn' 341 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.240 t know how to distinguish between one thing and the other. And he feels 342 00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.880 the best shame, because this shouldn' t be seeing what this is. 343 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.759 But it happens. He has received such a dose that the brain is growing, 344 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:06.519 such a dose of pleasure that quickly asks him to see him again. 345 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:09.760 If there' s a person. It is usually the case of addictions that 346 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:14.880 end up developing, because there is a medicinal use of that. Then, 347 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:20.320 when someone is in a broken family or has emotional deficiencies of some kind, 348 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:24.239 they are more at risk of resorting to pornography in a medicinal way. In 349 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:29.039 the end, we' re all wrong and we' re all in trouble. 350 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:34.760 And when the porn is erected as a momentary solution, very momentary of 351 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.440 these pleases these problems, there is the risk of getting hooked, because every 352 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:43.320 time I' m like this I' m going to go. There you 353 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.840 have to see the things that if they explain them to us in this didactic 354 00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:54.679 way, because we understand them superficially. I' m not a porn addict. 355 00:34:54.840 --> 00:35:00.239 Not from what point one can say I have a problem. I tried 356 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:06.719 to leave him. I can' t, I can' t have orgasms 357 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:13.760 without imagining or remembering these images that I' ve seen almost catch me when 358 00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:19.159 you have the feeling of having to clean your history and have situations of maximum 359 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.920 adrenaline risk, because I consumed in places, in very inappropriate situations. When 360 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:24.599 you see that it dominates you, it' s something you can' t 361 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:31.519 stop doing. It' s a sample if you' re thinking about it 362 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:37.800 like this I' m addicted or not waiting for a week without seeing and 363 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:42.639 without masturbating, because when you masturbate, having seen pornography, you' re 364 00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:47.039 remembering those images, because try it to see how your body reacts, because 365 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.719 there really is withdrawal syndrome tremors sweat. You can only think about that. 366 00:35:49.840 --> 00:36:01.360 If you have these signs, you would have to pose some of the most 367 00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:06.199 complicated consequences of addiction to watching pornography, which can be separation from God, 368 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:12.000 shame, guilt and double life, in a double- life feeling of having 369 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:17.199 to gain in public what is dirty in intimacy. Jesus did not speak of 370 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:22.119 the secret place of the important. That' s where only the father sees 371 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:23.440 you. That' s where your character is shown and who you are. 372 00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:25.639 But when you see for a faith, you don' t see it in 373 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:29.559 public. You can be a shepherd, for the leader of praise can give 374 00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:34.320 things to others and seem like a very divine person, but it is if 375 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:38.440 in the secret of your room you are masturbating with prostitution. That destroyed your 376 00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:43.559 life and destroyed your testimony as well as your family, because it' s 377 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:47.599 infidelity. Sure. In the end you see that faith and being Christians makes 378 00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:52.840 no sense when I am a railing that I am involved here in this whole 379 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.199 affair an adulterer. I' m not telling you to fool me right there 380 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.960 and let you crawl in the stream. And or you don' t get 381 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:07.559 out of this, because there are people who chronicle the problem, create a 382 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:08.719 perpetuity of the problem and live with it. Yeah, my whole life is 383 00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:13.480 my weakness, it' s my little problem. We all have our struggles. 384 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.960 Whoever is free of sin who throws the first stone, are excuses not 385 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:22.159 to want to face, that there are things inside you that are wrong and 386 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.480 that is why you use pornography and it is not to see it as adultery. 387 00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.760 I think it also makes it very difficult to get out, I mean, 388 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.519 well to see I' m not going with anyone, I' m 389 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:35.440 alone with a screen. It' s my thing. But when you see 390 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:39.039 that you are hurting your husband or your wife, there you have to make 391 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.000 clear when you are not married and how you are damaging your own body. 392 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.400 Always, after all, the temple for Christians is the temple of the human 393 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:51.199 body. This may seem like a paradox, but it' s not, 394 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.360 it' s a wonderful reality. I' ve told you before. My 395 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:58.639 experience is that I knew Jesus at the age of eighteen and came from such 396 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:05.480 a complicated world. But I started to the real dogs that you have struggles 397 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:12.360 and blind and attacks to let you drag along the current. But when that 398 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:19.199 is somehow implanted the testimony of God, I do not find the genuine one 399 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.760 and you maintain that line. Mr Saves You keeps being and if for whatever. 400 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:30.119 You fell for this, because you can leave immediately. No, but 401 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:35.960 this is perverse because it denatures your right essence. It dehumanizes you. It 402 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:43.239 makes you a totally carnal person and nothing spiritual. No one can Gabriel bust 403 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:45.400 said you can' t see because you' re not right with God. 404 00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:50.639 It' s impossible. It can be shown, but being well, being 405 00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:55.920 in your spirit united with God, is separated from sin. You understand human. 406 00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.960 But when I' m sinning and hitting and hitting, I' m 407 00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:01.920 walking away. Of course, of course, it is true that God’ 408 00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:08.440 s grace is wonderful. But if we act and react and if not, 409 00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:15.880 if there is no repentance, repentance, repentance stops everything right. Repentance is 410 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:21.079 what beats the brake rebon. I have said repentance even has judgment in the 411 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:27.039 case when you are not a believer, not the final judgment where every human 412 00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.039 being who has not responded to God in time will pay, because God loves 413 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:36.559 us and notice what he has done for us in Christ. But repentance has 414 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:42.199 the judgment and because then it begins and in the Christian life repentance has to 415 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.519 be genuine. It' s true. But sometimes I ask myself people who 416 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:52.199 are so addicted, it' s not easy for them. That' s 417 00:39:52.239 --> 00:40:00.000 why we' re going to see if we' re talking about the Christian 418 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:06.360 sphere, which we might say we could be simpler to talk about recovery, 419 00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:07.880 because you in the secular realm talk about this. Well, yeah, now 420 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.440 they' re seeing it as a problem when they see it as a problem 421 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.239 because they' re creating some bestial pathologies, especially in children and others. 422 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:22.400 And that' s how the issue of pornography has been socialized. The pernicious 423 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:27.320 effects are being seen in a way that is already quite uncompromising. But in 424 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.679 the Christian sphere at least we say good, let' s be realistic. 425 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:37.400 This happens between us, who must make leaders or companions or mentors for people 426 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:44.360 who have this problem. We' ll talk about the off course that' 427 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.199 s very interesting. Ladies and gentlemen, take good note in a moment we 428 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:52.679 will give you all the indications that the course that is going to start firm 429 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:58.880 in September, but how we can help so many people. I, in 430 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:05.400 my pastoral care of the years, encounter this problem frequently in marriages, in 431 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:12.159 particular it is in all Indians then and how we can help. I think 432 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:17.119 the first thing is to be honest with yourself, because if we have a 433 00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:22.480 third of the leaders who are consuming pornography, a blind man cannot lead another 434 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.719 blind man. Of course, they both fall into the hole then. What 435 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:30.360 I think first of all avoids which pastors can help is that they are in 436 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:34.440 this problem. So if you have, you have people who have this problem, 437 00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.159 but you say well, they can' t bring it out, but 438 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:38.119 of course they need me to get out. You' re not going, 439 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:43.719 neither of you are going to come out then, of course, first examine 440 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:49.480 the heart and be willing to go through a recovery process and then I would 441 00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.159 say learn about it. There is a lot if, like you there are 442 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.320 people in a generation that has not been born with this extreme Internet pornography. 443 00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.960 Now I can read you about what it is. It can help a lot 444 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:04.440 to see that it' s not like, it' s not a degenerate 445 00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:07.559 of is a person who has lost control of his mind. He cannot manage 446 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:13.679 to get compassion in that sense. But also firm as to whether you repent, 447 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.800 you can find life if there really is genuine repentance, not a woe 448 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.320 is that I have this, but I will do it again. You can 449 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:27.519 help people. I think we should also talk about it. There are many 450 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:31.119 people who ask for help and they think that no one in the Church can 451 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:35.320 help them because no one has talked about it, no one has put out 452 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.480 an application in pornography, no one has reached out. Everyone thinks he' 453 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.639 s the only one and looks at the numbers saying the opposite. It' 454 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:44.599 s hard to find someone who doesn' t, but everyone thinks they won 455 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:45.800 ' t be able to talk to anyone about it. So, if you 456 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:51.840 mention it, you often go saying there are tools, you offer your hand 457 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.480 when you' re in a group of men, because you bring up the 458 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.360 subject or eating with someone, because it' s the porn that you think 459 00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.320 you get out. Make it out of the dark to the light can help 460 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:07.119 you have this hand, but I understand that only someone who wants to come 461 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:08.440 out is going to come out. Someone you don' t, though much 462 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:13.320 as you face it, won' t come out because you have to admit 463 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.199 you' re upset. Clear stermal aid, possible helper or companion after. 464 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.400 But before that there would be something else we' re going to talk about. 465 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.760 Before you get to that, you have to be a person who, 466 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.320 of course, doesn' t have a problem with that, but we are. 467 00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:31.719 It' s a beastly contradiction. Besides, I think it' s 468 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.639 stupid gender or we' re going and useless to do that. No, 469 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:42.119 but a treatment of addiction to pornography for how to stop watching and consuming pornography. 470 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.039 And that' s where it comes into action. Or, for example, 471 00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:52.760 not how to perform a treatment, because this is a treatment, this 472 00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:59.280 is not a place plash. No. No. In my case, the 473 00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:05.519 release of pornography was immediate, but it took eight years to heal the root, 474 00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:10.119 because porn is not the problem. Porn is a way to solve a 475 00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:15.079 problem and in off what we have is a process along with someone from your 476 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:21.360 local leadership, in which it is a year of not only abstinence from masturbation 477 00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.400 or pornography, but there is a deep work of the roots of this addiction. 478 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:31.119 There is an insectious search for the holy spirit and see what really happens 479 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:32.880 to me to get out of there. I don' t want to masturbate, 480 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:35.679 I don' t want to watch pornography. Go deeper. This is 481 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:39.079 basic, because if you sin you become hardened, but when you have stopped, 482 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.840 you have filtered it, it has done whatever it wants, then you 483 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.400 start because you have to say why I am seeing, because it is what 484 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:51.559 my soul seeks, heal, satiate, because it is a broken cistern. 485 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.559 Seek that slit, ask the spirit to show it and heal it. Then 486 00:44:55.639 --> 00:45:01.280 external behavior is not necessary, because there is no such emotional or spiritual lack. 487 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:06.480 There are spiritual ties. We also need to go much further. Then, 488 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.159 when someone asks for help from on Off, they are assigned to a 489 00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:14.480 fellow fighter who is going to walk with him, along with someone of their 490 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:21.199 local leadership in this process of seeing why I came here and find in intimacy 491 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:24.880 with God. The solution to everything wasn' t for her all my life, 492 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:28.840 she' s going around. What we say about Ennoff is that porn 493 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:34.159 tried to destroy us, but God is redeeming it to call us into intimacy 494 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.639 with him that we had never had before. This is what happened to me, 495 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:42.320 how beautiful and how true I totally subscribe to that. But the subject 496 00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.400 of shame, because there are people who are in this are resigne and say 497 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:50.880 well, I am a bastard who or himself is the mental soliloquium. No, 498 00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:55.039 yes, but I don' t know anything here anymore and the shame 499 00:45:55.480 --> 00:46:00.519 of saying and that, to see it' s miserable when they know that 500 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:05.800 I' m a guy like that give it how and all this mental discourse 501 00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:10.360 traps you, it sinks you more yes, then of course it' s 502 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:16.119 the feeling of shame to expose someone. That' s not why how to 503 00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:20.519 create a climate of trust, because deep down, I think many of the 504 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:27.320 trapped, not all, but a few will think. I would have to 505 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:35.480 go out here, but I don' t know how and then how to 506 00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.440 help someone who initially afterwards although has to undergo a process, because there has 507 00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:43.559 been generated an evil, a very serious distortion, that has to be restored 508 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:50.960 or redeemed, as you have said, but that feeling of shame, of 509 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:55.760 feeling miserable, an unfortunate, irredeemable, how we can approach it. It 510 00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:00.880 ' s just that I think it' s good news to feel desperate and 511 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:02.360 without any help It' s me that saved me. I grew up in 512 00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:07.400 the Church and thought I was saved, but pornography was my chance to realize 513 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:12.360 that I wasn' t one of those I was in but I wasn' 514 00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:15.599 t from the Church, I wasn' t born again. Then I think 515 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.719 it' s good to get to that point. I can' t. 516 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:25.360 The question is if I want to, because if someone is so desperate that 517 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.519 he says oh this I die, then he' ll be able to confess 518 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.360 it to whoever he is. So you have to worry about wanting this space? 519 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.079 You have to worry about a vulnerability of a safe space, not in 520 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:42.760 public, not with a double life, but genuity. One by one opening 521 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:46.440 the space, because if someone is truly desperate they will ask for help. 522 00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:52.559 The problem is that we give ourselves, take the grace of God, not 523 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:57.679 and say good to see how many more times I can fall until I play 524 00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.440 with my salvation or harm the Holy Spirit. I' m going to look 525 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:05.000 for the limit and those people looking for the limit are not going out and 526 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.000 they' re not going to ask for help, because you' re always 527 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:08.519 alone. Like you said, it' s a good soliloquium, it' 528 00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:12.880 s a dialogue with demons, I mean, I' m going to be 529 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:14.840 good this time. Yeah, well, when this crisis happens, when I 530 00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:17.320 get married, you have your fight, but if you don' t die 531 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:19.480 at all, you can' t live. I' m done. Jesus, 532 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:25.639 how interesting this is the way out, of the redemption of a question 533 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:32.639 as catchy as the addiction to pornography, edict, sex, sex, but 534 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:40.159 wild and, moreover, totally dislocated this subject to talk to us a little 535 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:45.880 oz and as someone who wants to say hear, I don' t know 536 00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:51.559 how, but of course it' s confidential, it' s private and 537 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.480 such, but I want you to get out of this or someone in the 538 00:48:55.480 --> 00:49:00.239 family and we' re going to talk to you, or sometimes there are 539 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.039 couples who are also both hooked on the subject. Yeah, then, okay. 540 00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:08.440 In any case, how to get in touch in order to get into 541 00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:14.079 a course of this, because it takes how long the course lasts you refer 542 00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:15.519 to the accompanying process. This is a one- year one- year process, 543 00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:20.079 but in this year it may happen that there is a click at twenty 544 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:23.440 days. Then we follow up, but it is a year to focus on 545 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:29.320 this restoration of my soul. There is a button on our website that is 546 00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:36.079 off just Love as just love or just love of chuost Love org. There 547 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:37.880 ' s a red button that puts help. There you can write and you 548 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:43.760 get a link to the Whatsapp that we have as off and there you can 549 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.800 write, you can write on Instagram, which is arroba of just Love too 550 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:49.519 and there you can say hey. I need help getting out. No. 551 00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:52.599 This isn' t gonna come out. No one' s sharing your data. 552 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:57.519 It' s confidential and you' re going to be assigned to a 553 00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.760 person who' s going to be talking to you and explaining to you what, 554 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:04.079 what the whole process is and you decide if you want to take it. 555 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:07.360 You cannot write to Instagram or the web or whatsap directly that is there. 556 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:14.239 There' s a little button on the web. Hoz then on Instagram. 557 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:19.920 How it appears like this is arroba Off fair Lover George Love Vale well, 558 00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:22.199 well there is this. They hear it firsthand. They' ve taken 559 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:25.039 note and if they don' t hear it again and again. It has 560 00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:32.440 been repeated three or four times by David and anyone of us will put it 561 00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:39.800 in it we will also upload the link to our wall so that people can 562 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:46.599 make it visible and can derive it to the direct information, because to begin, 563 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.280 for example, there is an initial course in September. The thing that 564 00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.679 ' s gonna start in September. It is a course we take every month 565 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:59.599 and a half two months with the infa, which is for leadership, is 566 00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:04.519 for people who want to help others. This is what we say tools to 567 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:10.320 understand, restore and prevent panography, because we need this in the leaders, 568 00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:17.039 to have that formation, because it is a pastoral in the cure of souls 569 00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:23.800 and in all this is a very frequent problem to be found in different versions. 570 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.079 Yes, there are more and more tools, more books and there are 571 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:35.519 things, but we have compiled from different authors friends of the Ministry, a 572 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:37.719 basic guide to enter this world. And there is also the possibility that you 573 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:42.519 call us and say you can come to my denomination or my church with the 574 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:47.519 counseling group and make us a whole morning to get into the subject. Those 575 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:52.559 workshops also make them right. Yes with us you have taught them in one 576 00:51:52.599 --> 00:52:00.599 of them and some of our churches as well and we are in it because 577 00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:04.119 there is a real need, that is, we want to help people in 578 00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:10.320 many ways, and one of the ways that they are really self- destructive 579 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.519 prow, of the most perverse is this. But we don' t know 580 00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:16.480 at all how we don' t or don' t know anything. And 581 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:22.679 then you have to have some keys, some guidelines to follow. So that 582 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:28.639 resource is ideal for that, to have a picture of what it consists of, 583 00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.079 how to help and how to prevent. Remember us. The name again 584 00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:36.800 the name of the course, yes, the cousation. It is called prevention 585 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.639 and pastoral editing to pornography the infa. But if you go to the website 586 00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:44.840 of Off Just Love Ork, there comes out like a window pla, perfect, 587 00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:50.039 perfect Wow. David is not an issue that interests us all. For 588 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:57.320 the good of many people and, above all, to safeguard any one of 589 00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:05.000 us from something that distorts everything and can make us dust, but also to 590 00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:07.920 the young generation, not that it is so easily good. We were talking 591 00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:13.239 about children, but young people one day the consumption of pornography is brutal, 592 00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.440 not so widespread and there are almost no differences between men and women, that 593 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:22.320 is, between boys and girls. In teenagers it' s something that' 594 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:28.199 s already normal. Now it' s funny when the woman hasn' t 595 00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:35.679 been so sex addicted because she has other connotations. Not now it turns out 596 00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:37.880 I notice it. Aside from what I read, from what I live, 597 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.320 from what I know, from what I perceive and from what is seen in 598 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:44.599 the environment, one must not be any scholar to see what is already there. 599 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:52.199 It just seems that if you don' t have wild experiences with you 600 00:53:52.320 --> 00:54:00.039 ' re not a person, a person updated, you' re not completely 601 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:04.960 liberated or liberated in this case, and I think this is also born of 602 00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.199 an interesting complex, of a complex, because you' re who you are 603 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:13.840 and you' re who you are and you don' t have to prove 604 00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:16.639 from yourself that you have to be a liberated woman or and for that you 605 00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.280 can get into all these. But the same thing happens to men, to 606 00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:23.920 boys, that I have to learn to be a person without strong feelings that 607 00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:30.519 dominates women. It' s a complex saying I want to prove that I 608 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.719 ' m not weak, that I haven' t effeminate and I have to 609 00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:36.199 learn the brutality of pornography, that is, it hurts us all equally. 610 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:42.440 There' s not much difference. You see, what we all have, 611 00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:47.719 what this generation of young people have, is anxiety and depression, and what 612 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:53.760 Bonography gives is a feeling that there are no medical pleasure problems, just like 613 00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:58.280 screens, like all social networks, but at a more extreme level, then 614 00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.079 it is not so much the material itself, but what allows me to cope 615 00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:09.440 with my damage and my shortcomings, especially in youth. One of the characteristics 616 00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:13.320 that has been spoken a lot that have been written these very popular works, 617 00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:19.760 sadomasochism, especially of the boys, and that this, therefore, has also 618 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:24.559 been generalized, which is also a form of distortion of total sexuality. There 619 00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:30.280 ' s no more soft porn. Before there was soft porn and not hard 620 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.960 and you could consume one thing more light or go to system stuff. Now, 621 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:38.039 if you put in sex or an innocent word that I know thetas, 622 00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:40.000 you put it on Google and it just comes out of the tough one. 623 00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:45.639 The soft porn is already reggaeton video clips, the series. This kind of 624 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:49.760 general culture is like it is. The bar has risen a thousand, the 625 00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:55.039 tide has risen and the zero level is already hypersexualization and sensuality, hypersensuality of 626 00:55:55.119 --> 00:56:02.320 everything, and clear governments if they wake up a little bit more or less 627 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:09.559 to this unfortunate reality so pernicious for coexistence and for people and for their psychological 628 00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:16.119 health and their mood and for everything and family, then realize that here this 629 00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:21.000 is like when you said let' s not put limits to children, this 630 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:27.239 has been a culture too repressive. Then and now we realize it. We 631 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:31.039 have to set limits because it' s out of hand. We have gone 632 00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:38.039 to the other end in terms of the pedagogy of the personal development of the 633 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:42.679 boys. But in this it' s the same. Now the government is 634 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:50.159 saying uy here is a social problem that is reaching very high levels. We 635 00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:53.440 ' re reaping what we' ve sown. We have sown separation from the 636 00:56:53.559 --> 00:57:00.480 traditional Jewish Christian values that had been based in civilized Europe. We have deliberately 637 00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:05.199 left them behind, to say that they are retrograde and we want to go 638 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:08.559 forward and we have progressed to where corruption is done, makes the destruction of 639 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:10.679 the VI So we have to go back. But there is a blockade that, 640 00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:14.719 that is, today I cannot go back there, because it has already 641 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:19.519 made a hate speech against everything that was good And now what I do say 642 00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:24.960 education, quality sex education based on self pleasure. That is the great formula 643 00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:31.400 that the government or associations have to stop the degradation of the by a no 644 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:36.199 party. We will not teach them as children to seek their pleasure in masturbation 645 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.320 and not to consume such porn, but to consume it feminist. That' 646 00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:45.039 s what society gives us. It is here that the Church has a chance 647 00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:51.119 to say hears, that it turns out that we have a book that many 648 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:52.079 centuries ago, that shows what a man is, what a woman is, 649 00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.320 how they relate. And this design is the good thing, not for Christians, 650 00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:59.639 for everyone. So, if we live it out of our dream, 651 00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.760 let the Church live it, discover it a good sex, according to God 652 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:07.519 ' s design, enjoy society. He' s gonna say we want this 653 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:10.840 too. In the institutes where I go, the children of fourteen, fifteen, 654 00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:15.599 sixteen are tired of having tried everything and that is to see that it 655 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:17.039 is so worse than before. And when you tell them, for example, 656 00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:21.480 that you' re only with one person, that you' re married, 657 00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:23.280 that you have family, they really say. I want that. Yes, 658 00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:28.079 yes, because God' s design is good for everyone. He used to 659 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:34.079 call me good. I have in the family also teachers and also and there 660 00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:39.480 are people in the world of teaching and such told me the kids talk about 661 00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:45.559 sex constantly, sex toto everything. That' s an obsession. The subject 662 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:53.239 of sex, no, but on a seemingly pornographic and non- pornographic level, 663 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:59.280 but the subject sex continuously then clear, this is a clear is and 664 00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:02.119 there is a story. The clear society has been de- Christianized and said 665 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:06.840 good, but Christianity has been very repressive. It has also been with political 666 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:08.719 power, dictatorship. Well, let' s cut the crap. It' 667 00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:14.239 s dictatorship that we have nothing to do with it. A living faith in 668 00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:21.199 Jesus, an emancipating faith. I discovered myself when I became a true child 669 00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:24.719 of God, when I gave my life to Christ Jesus and asked him for 670 00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:30.440 forgiveness sincerely for my sins, and I felt that I was dirty and felt 671 00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:37.440 like washing my conscience and soul from a whole young life. But already dusted 672 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:45.079 very early and then feeling renewed, changed from starting to walk. There are 673 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:50.039 struggles in life, such but that with the holy spirit, which is wonderful, 674 00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:54.119 a saint espri him. Eh helps us so much great saints. Yeah, 675 00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:58.119 yeah, he' s the one who sanctifies us. It' s 676 00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:00.800 not the pure one, is it, but we have tools. Of course 677 01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:07.800 society, it' s been tempered. Christianity is retrograde, repressive, Christian 678 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:14.400 Jewish culture. We have to take her out of the social imagery and be 679 01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:16.000 free and do whatever we want. But there are the others. We are 680 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:21.239 reaping it, that we have named the sacred Totten fort this we have raised 681 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:27.920 from sex to crazy and distorted sex. Okay, but there are exits. 682 01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:35.519 Ladies and gentlemen, here is the Ministry of David Perez. You can contact 683 01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:38.880 him. Directly, as you have said and if you don' t remember 684 01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:42.039 that you can also write. To Julio Pérez Arroba the train of life, 685 01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:45.119 point is I will lead them. Julio Pérez Arroba, the train of life, 686 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:52.159 point is and I immediately refer to David and the course that will begin 687 01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:55.280 in September. Hey, David, it' s been a pleasure. Uh, 688 01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:58.199 it tastes like a little bit, but it' s not a little 689 01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:02.079 bit. What you' ve told us in a short time, you' 690 01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:05.519 ve left us here well served. Yeah, if I can do something in 691 01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:09.400 the end, yeah as if you' re hearing this and you think it 692 01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:15.800 ' s not gonna be the last try, it' s not gonna be 693 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:15.880 I' m not going out, I' m going to try and I 694 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:19.639 ' m going to fail you. I mean, Jesus is going to set 695 01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.000 you free, that Jesus keeps his word, that he is faithful. You 696 01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.079 have to repent and ask for help. If you do if you don' 697 01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:28.719 t, I' m sure you won' t. If you do it 698 01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:31.440 and you' ve really hit bottom, Jesus is going to get you out 699 01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:32.800 here, we' ll be there to walk with you. But it is 700 01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:38.599 he yes, yes, he liberates, yes, he liberates, wowy how 701 01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:44.000 beautiful, how important that real and that is an urgent appeal for the people, 702 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:49.039 why we have an interest in helping people in so many human conflicts. 703 01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:54.239 Well, because God' s love has been poured into us and we feel 704 01:01:54.760 --> 01:02:00.920 the need to do what others did for us. I remember myself without initial 705 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:06.159 mentors, not as they accompanied me and helped me get out of things that 706 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:09.599 cost me too not and give me a good guide. But in this case 707 01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:14.400 look at an issue like the one we are dealing with, such as overcoming 708 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:20.960 addiction to pornography, because here there is a real possibility and the last Council 709 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:24.599 that David thought about to take it very seriously. David Pérez, my dear 710 01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:28.119 friend, thank you for being on the train of life, thanks to you 711 01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:35.559 we will see each other again and again as the exact life itself. Thank 712 01:02:35.639 --> 01:03:05.800 you so much. Thanks to r as in the train of life, fast 713 01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:37.119 with nothing and new under the sun all vanities to the spelt thread, but 714 01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:52.360 you scared him again adds crosses. Now I live how it was. A 715 01:03:52.519 --> 01:04:00.119 million times I' ll sing a million days of seeing your spirit take me 716 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:11.719 where you are. A million more times. I want more of my name. 717 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:28.960 No one seen you go, no one can imagine what it is. 718 01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:46.480 Boleira by dead, caniñacer, weeping or Ilo you drink Cantares, Oh, 719 01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:54.599 million babies did you drink? Your spirit takes me where you' re a 720 01:04:54.800 --> 01:05:00.920 million BsAs more, man, I see myself so much time or a million 721 01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:08.360 stockings you' ll see. Your spirit brings me donusas a million more needs, 722 01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:23.239 I of course more, a million times you deserve to be from a 723 01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:38.000 million pertine hynos, a million times it deserves mine from us oce oce or 724 01:05:38.800 --> 01:06:11.679 it deserves yes, from humble, from blind uritus are s or mine I 725 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:44.840 am even so many things fas. Don' t cry. I want more. 726 01:06:54.400 --> 01:07:00.840 Hey, fellas. I' m Julio Perez. You know that I 727 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:06.000 am the director of the radio program the weekly Magaxing, the train of life, 728 01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:13.039 and it does nothing less than thirty- two years that we travel through 729 01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:17.800 many human landscapes and many curiosities and things of life of earthly life and heavenly 730 01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:26.320 life. I also have the joy of telling you that I have published my 731 01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:30.119 book, a book that has to do with the train of life. There 732 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:39.360 are fifty selected articles written by me. There are six seasons and in each 733 01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:45.239 season there is a section of eight reflections, temporary reflections for an eternal destiny. 734 01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:50.599 These are the things I tell in this book. They are perfections, 735 01:07:53.159 --> 01:08:01.639 analysis, experiences, comments that other curiosity also in those fifty reflections, in 736 01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:05.480 those six stations, until we reach the station, term that there is also 737 01:08:05.559 --> 01:08:11.480 a section, a very important block. This book can already be found on 738 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:16.359 Amazon on the editorial platform of Amazón. Traveling on the train of life is 739 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:21.479 entitled the book is the title of the book traveling on the train of life 740 01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:29.239 Julio Pérez, a server is the author. Then it can be good there. 741 01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:34.079 You know the train tells us about journeys through life. Life is a 742 01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:40.239 kind of living parable, like a train in motion, that there are so 743 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:45.880 many sensations and experiences inside the train and what we are seeing inside and what 744 01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:50.439 we see from the train out, because there I propose that you be able 745 01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:54.199 to access this book, look at this book. I' ve done it 746 01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:56.399 with a lot of love. I think there are things that are very affectionate, 747 01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:01.319 very very intimate, and others not so many, are very open, 748 01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:08.000 but it is a book that I have done from the heart and with the 749 01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:13.399 heart traveling on the train of life is the title of a servant Julio Pérez 750 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:18.239 on the editorial platform of Amazon. You can find him. The book has 751 01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:25.119 a cost of fifteen euros in about 180 pages, and everything collected from that 752 01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:30.520 book is invested, reinvested in the radio project of Onda Paz or Napau and 753 01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:36.199 in the train of life. Of course it is part of the project so 754 01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:42.760 that this is put on and kept going as long as it never stops So, 755 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:45.840 I remind you and I thank you in advance for buying my book on 756 01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:51.439 the Amazon platform traveling on the train of the life of a Julio Pérez server. 757 01:09:54.039 --> 01:10:05.199 Thank you so much. So fragile your head in winter and so in 758 01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:10.640 summer. Your head is just as fragile all year round. That' s 759 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:13.399 why, even if it' s hotter. This summer wear your helmet whenever 760 01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:15.840 you go on a motorcycle, because summer is full of life and lives. 761 01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:19.840 We' re all going next to you. Directorate- General for Traffic, 762 01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:23.960 Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. Never leave me alone in the 763 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:27.920 bathtub or places with water. Don' t say they emit luis fingers and 764 01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:30.760 linchufe. Don' t leave me in any open window. I told you 765 01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:36.239 to use tonic substances orcamintos at my fingertips. You already let me swallow the 766 01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:41.439 small pieces of toys. If you neglect, your ojer can be dangerous for 767 01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:44.680 your children. Don' t worry, avoid accidents. So you want more 768 01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:53.800 Ministry of Health and Consumer Affairs Government of Spain that you travel on the train 769 01:10:53.840 --> 01:12:03.000 of life or you are n n. Ladies and gentlemen, well, we 770 01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:10.239 ' re already here with our good friend, the director of Protestant Digital, 771 01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:16.560 who is Daniel Ozcam journalist too, and we' re talking a little bit 772 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:19.239 about some of today' s scraps. Well, in the summer, it 773 01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:24.880 seems like we' d like to get some rest from all that news, 774 01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:32.520 sometimes bad news or permanent riffitz riffy among politicians and unresolved issues. But not 775 01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:39.800 this, for this is unstoppable. The news is unstoppable when not the informative 776 01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:44.800 summer snakes that are things that appear in the summer, sometimes appear jumps, 777 01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:51.159 mayuscules. No, well, there we have our friend Daniel Occan. I 778 01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:56.199 welcome you. Good morning, Daniel Hello, Good morning, What, such 779 01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.520 Julio, how are you, well, delighted to have you here with us 780 01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:04.479 on the Daniel life train already almost closing season. At least well, there 781 01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:09.600 are already people who are on vacation in the first batch. But yes, 782 01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:13.319 yes, yes, some are already enjoying and you others are on the way. 783 01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:15.359 Sometimes those days come and you won' t have much left to escape. 784 01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:23.680 Little that, yes, yes, well, we have some getaways and 785 01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:29.720 the second shift of July is already more numerous. But then it' s 786 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:32.119 August too. It' s already the big escape. It seems that the 787 01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:39.439 country is put on standbyte not in the sense of services. And such and 788 01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:44.079 good, but this is our country, Spain, is an eminently tourist country, 789 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:48.199 it is one of our most important capitals in the economy. True, 790 01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:54.439 yes, well, of course, I don' t remember what the percentage 791 01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:58.520 is, but it was a very high percentage of Spain' s PBE, 792 01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:02.079 which is dependent on tourism. And this, moreover, is growing because, 793 01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:06.760 as we know, tourism in Spain continues to rise, that is, every 794 01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:12.159 year more travellers arrive, every year more people arrive from other countries who want 795 01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:16.439 to spend their holidays here. And, well, obviously, that also generates 796 01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:24.520 certain conflicts, certain tensions with people who, above all, live in the 797 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:30.960 most overcrowded areas. But there is no doubt that it is a very important 798 01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:39.000 engine for the future of work and for the job and welfare stability that we 799 01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:42.880 have in this country. Yeah, well, the truth is good. It 800 01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:48.199 is an important impact on gross domestic product. We' re a solarium. 801 01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:56.880 The whole Iberian Peninsula and all the infrastructure we have. We are surrounded by 802 01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:00.680 water everywhere, except for one that is called, which is the interior, 803 01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:06.199 but we have the seas and such and we have a very privileged area. 804 01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:12.600 I think we end up with 80 to 90 million tourists all this year. 805 01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:16.439 It' s a record figure for it' s awesome. No, yeah, 806 01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:24.199 yeah, yeah. I think it should be stressed that it is a 807 01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:30.720 sector that continues to grow as we said and, moreover, that it does 808 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:35.640 not look like it will stop growing in at least the next few years, 809 01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:42.760 because we have gone through a somewhat tighter stage of economy, let us say, 810 01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:48.079 and above all from the covid because there were some, a kind of 811 01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:56.079 world movement that seemed to be heading towards a general crisis, but now the 812 01:15:56.159 --> 01:16:00.760 international indicators do not really appear to mark that, that is, there is 813 01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:08.039 no expansion phase of growth, let us say very buoyant at the international level, 814 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:09.039 at the general level, but not a great crisis either. I mean, 815 01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:12.079 it looks like we' re there in one and you don' t 816 01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:15.600 know where things are going to go, but not as bad as maybe many 817 01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:18.560 thought I could go. Nor is it so good, but let us say 818 01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:25.239 that there is general growth in the economies and I think that something that benefits 819 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:30.359 Spain a lot with regard to other destinations is also the issue of stability and 820 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:35.720 security. Spain remains a fairly safe destination and other places, as they cannot 821 01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:41.760 say the same. Do not imagine the same Israel last year, which supposes 822 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:46.039 for the fact the tourist impact that will have for them the situation of war 823 01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:50.840 in which they are now. Same with the countries in Africa happens a little 824 01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:55.760 similar and then other countries around us, because sometimes they also go with their 825 01:16:57.439 --> 01:16:59.920 more and their less. And Spain, and in that sense we still have 826 01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:06.680 to say as a priority destination and very appetizing for many people who want to 827 01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:12.119 come here to spend their holidays. Of course it' s a tourist destination. 828 01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:16.680 Spain very appetizing economically at the exchange of currency, especially from European countries, 829 01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:26.119 is much more economical and the truth that it is for us is one 830 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:32.159 of the sacred cows of the Spanish economy, because it is important and good. 831 01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:35.039 What happens is that also the other side of the ugly face of tourism 832 01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:41.680 is that important cities, Barcelona, Madrid, Valencia, now that it is 833 01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:45.119 also very fashionable good, and any part of the countries, that is, 834 01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:50.680 the regions of the north, Cantabria, Asturias, Galicia, that are beautiful, 835 01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:57.000 that people are going much more now to the north because to cool and 836 01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:02.000 see another scenario, not so much the sea, but the mountain and the 837 01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:08.800 green, and all that brings it. But really people in cities like Barcelona 838 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:14.119 and Madrid, especially Barcelona, for example, there is a tourist saturation that 839 01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:23.439 is also becoming a problematic phenomenon for the neighborhood, for citizens. So here 840 01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:28.439 we have to handle this well. Yeah, yeah. In addition, I 841 01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:32.600 think that there is above all the issue of housing, the housing crisis that 842 01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:36.039 we have been living in our country for quite a few years now, which 843 01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:44.800 drags away the difficulty there is to find houses or rental flats and, instead, 844 01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:50.600 there is rent for holidays, not and vacation rentals. And like everything 845 01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:58.039 else, that' s leading to a greater difficulty for people to settle down 846 01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:00.760 in certain cities. All the cities are not suffering, but it is generally 847 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:05.520 throughout the country we have been seeing how prices have been rising and of course, 848 01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:11.319 the more tourism arrives, because more can be inflated these prices of housing 849 01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:16.840 and rent, then let' s say there is a challenge. I think 850 01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:23.000 it is quite clear from now on in Spain and that surely as the months 851 01:19:23.159 --> 01:19:29.840 and years progress. It will be a very recurring problem and a very common 852 01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:35.079 theme in all political forums. We have already seen it this summer, for 853 01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:40.520 example, some cities that have begun to try to make some movement of regulation 854 01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:46.000 regarding the vacation rental that is theoretically regulated, but really the municipalities are not 855 01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:55.520 watching it and this market is very liberalized to the point that at the moment 856 01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.039 when some ayun has also tried to do something, because it has had quite 857 01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:00.800 difficult and use here, for example, in Galicia, it was news the 858 01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:08.000 City of Santiago that this year tried to carry forward an emotion to regulate these 859 01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:15.800 vacation rentals and finally did not go forward when the weight, because I put 860 01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:18.439 back in the proposal that was wanted to approve in the City Council. So 861 01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:21.239 we' re going to start seeing this as a top- notch political issue 862 01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:26.720 for every shameless person who comes, we' re already seeing it this summer. 863 01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:29.279 But without a doubt I believe that this is one of the issues and 864 01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:31.840 above all because it is very related also to the other important issue, which 865 01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:36.399 is that of the difficulty to access a housing, whether to buy it or 866 01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:43.880 to rent it, especially at the level of young people, that really slows 867 01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:48.039 down the development of a life, The fact of not being able to have 868 01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:51.119 a housing, to be able to access a place where one can establish itself 869 01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:56.239 more or less stable because it is a brake for the development of life and 870 01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:01.279 with all the consequences that has for society in general. Of course, we 871 01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:06.119 were talking about the pretty face of the matter, but it also has a 872 01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:11.680 counterface to the topic of tourist flats, the topic of saturation, the topic 873 01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:16.279 of noises, the theme of the And then, Spain is a country I 874 01:21:16.399 --> 01:21:20.319 was thinking again with the feast of the sanfermines, so universal, so populated. 875 01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:25.079 It' s just that it' s a clear thing if you want 876 01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:30.319 to see it in a dramatic way and you say good, but animals and 877 01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:31.760 then people get run over by animals or corned. And clearly and well, 878 01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:35.319 I mean, people are subject to that. But what is the party of 879 01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:40.600 knowledge? Well, yeah, it' s the party of the popular jarana, 880 01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:45.479 but it' s the party of the collective drunkenness, it' s 881 01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:48.359 what you live there. Since ernest the jereming Guay, which was one of 882 01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:56.840 the promoters universalizing the party for Americans and for the whole world. But it 883 01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:00.760 ' s the party of the collective drunkenness, because there' s what you 884 01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:04.479 ' re going to drink and live crazy. Hence the issue of herds, 885 01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:10.520 which is almost uncontrollable now that it is a popular, very particular, very 886 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:16.000 good party. Yeah, but not that. Some people change it. No, 887 01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:21.279 no, and it' s okay for you to mention it, because 888 01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:26.840 many times I think that there is immense hypocrisy in our country about this issue, 889 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:32.640 that is, there are people who live scandalizing the numbers of alcohol in 890 01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:38.279 adolescents, for example, or problems, as you have now mentioned the issue 891 01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:45.119 of herds or episodes, rapes and sexual assaults that occur in our country and 892 01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:48.720 that it is very good that they are denounced. Of course, but then, 893 01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:54.720 when he gets to these parties, no one seems to want to join 894 01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:59.800 the strings. People behave that way, but they really take those like because 895 01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:04.560 most of them, because they' re just abusing alcohol and they don' 896 01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:06.880 t want to put a stop to it in any way. That is to 897 01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:13.079 say, there is no one here who wants to put the bell on the 898 01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:16.600 cat, because they do not want to break with that tradition that, beyond 899 01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:21.319 a tradition, is also a vehicle of great economic benefit. And there it 900 01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:27.920 is very clear. Then I think we do have that rent there. At 901 01:23:28.039 --> 01:23:32.840 least, I think as a country, also to be a little more serious 902 01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:38.119 or. We should try, at least be more serious in the proposals we 903 01:23:38.199 --> 01:23:43.000 make and in the way in which we also develop this kind of festivities. 904 01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:46.960 I, for one, have never really understood it too much, that is, 905 01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:53.159 and I feel quite alien to all this kind of festivities, which I 906 01:23:53.159 --> 01:24:00.039 do not understand very well the one that people find in them. But, 907 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:09.680 well, I think we need to also sometimes give healthy leisure proposals for our 908 01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:13.000 society, and that sometimes misses the fact that it seems that if there is 909 01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:16.680 no alcohol in the middle or people trying to put their lives in danger, 910 01:24:17.119 --> 01:24:19.640 because it seems like they can' t have fun and I think there are 911 01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:24.479 healthier ways to have fun in this life. Yeah, yeah, it' 912 01:24:24.720 --> 01:24:30.760 s a real one with I don' t know if it contradicts or paradox 913 01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:32.119 that a party that' s good. Yeah, it' s very popular, 914 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:39.600 it' s very infestive, very funny for a lot of people, 915 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:42.800 but it has really worrying connotations. And I say the collective drunkenness, because 916 01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:47.199 it' s going to be drunken the thing, this is in the public 917 01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:55.119 domain to all intents and purposes and then the cornered or clear if they get 918 01:24:55.560 --> 01:24:59.039 it, and then the herds, of the sexual assaults. Well, good 919 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:01.600 is that who controls that when people are out of their minds, because those 920 01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:08.720 savages also have no feelings, because they attack women indiscriminately and that is uncontrolled. 921 01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:14.520 The police may already be on every corner that, unfortunately, is going 922 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:17.560 to happen and is happening this year as well. But, well, it 923 01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:21.760 ' s a public reflection for anyone who wants to hear it. Well, 924 01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:29.800 but we have an interesting incentive, Daniel. We are good year on the 925 01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:34.880 theme of the new generation of the Spanish football team, the new generation of 926 01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:44.159 Yamal and others with animation and all and so many others that are really a 927 01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:51.920 genius. The truth is we' re enjoying a football of the highest level 928 01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:56.239 and well, we' ll see what happens on Sunday. The spas are 929 01:25:56.319 --> 01:25:59.920 high. That' s very good. The truth is that the selection has 930 01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:04.880 made a very good tournament. I think that exceeding expectations, it is true 931 01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:13.000 that there were positive expectations for Spain because it was playing quite well and there 932 01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:18.520 was really illusion for a new team, a game model also quite renewed, 933 01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:23.920 more daring, more to attack And thanks to these figures, especially those extremes. 934 01:26:24.359 --> 01:26:30.159 Both lain callal communico Williams, who are two very characteristic players to be 935 01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:34.359 able to play that more daring football. But it has really worked very well 936 01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:39.319 Spain and there has been no game that has played that would look inferior to 937 01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:45.760 the rival in sets. It is true that he had a hard time against 938 01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:50.800 France or Germany, logically because they are also very powerful countries and teams. 939 01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:56.439 But the tournament in Spain is being very good and the expectations that Sunday arrives 940 01:26:57.119 --> 01:27:01.319 as a favorite. So let' s see how about against England It would 941 01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:08.600 be the truth that a very complete championship for Spain winning four. If he 942 01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:13.399 beats England, he' d beat four world winners. In the same tournament 943 01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:16.560 he won Italy, he beat Germany, he won France and he would only 944 01:27:16.600 --> 01:27:23.800 stay in England. So it would really be an interesting brand that also speaks 945 01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:29.039 very well about the selection and the tournament that they have made. Maybe the 946 01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:33.319 paradigmatic figure is the minjamal that boy who turns this week, on Saturday, 947 01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:42.239 turns seventeen. A sixteen- year- old boy, he' s a 948 01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:48.800 real crack the ball touch he' s got and the deblin and the sense 949 01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:55.680 of opportunity Well, the truth is that and good and the team itself let 950 01:27:55.760 --> 01:28:02.520 ' s say in the tiki taka they have are super the truth you say 951 01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:06.000 we' re enjoying fut good football. Then, the other day, I 952 01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:12.560 saw how there were very positive statistics for what is Spanish television as regards the 953 01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:16.119 audiences of young people who had hooked up to the Euro Cup, especially to 954 01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:20.359 the matches of the Spanish team that until now, because it was not happening 955 01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:26.680 too much. Looks like football was a little hard for him to connect with 956 01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:30.479 the new generations. But of course, with these younger young figures and also 957 01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:35.439 with this more daring football, they have succeeded. And, well, actually, 958 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:39.720 Spain in general has worked very well, because it' s not just 959 01:28:40.720 --> 01:28:43.800 a matter of these two kids. The case of my good is impressive, 960 01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:47.680 because someone so young is giving such a high level and you can already see 961 01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:53.880 that he is an exceptional player, but the rest of the team also responding 962 01:28:54.000 --> 01:29:00.640 very well. All many players at a very good level and really also as 963 01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:01.960 a team, that is, when there are changes or, for example, 964 01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:06.520 the game against France, who entered players who had not yet been able to 965 01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:11.439 play it or had not had so many minutes for issues of injuries or penalties 966 01:29:11.479 --> 01:29:15.000 of other players, and did really well. That also speaks very well of 967 01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:18.079 the team, of the work being done from the direction of the team, 968 01:29:18.279 --> 01:29:23.640 the coach. Anyway, it seems that everything is working properly and well, 969 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:26.720 it has already come to the end now, obviously, already if you win, 970 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:29.640 well, you put in a final night and if you don' t 971 01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:30.760 win, then you also stay like a good taste of mouth. I think 972 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:34.800 of a great tournament. Well, the coach is breast- feeding. I 973 01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:41.319 think the source is doing a great job and I think he' s going 974 01:29:41.359 --> 01:29:45.119 to be a man who' s going to be consecrated after all the stirs 975 01:29:45.239 --> 01:29:50.760 that the Spanish Football Federation, the Royal Spanish Football Federation, has experienced, 976 01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:57.840 and all the alterations that he' s had and the trapicheos that have been 977 01:29:57.960 --> 01:30:02.119 going on and so it seems that that was crying out in the sky since 978 01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:06.279 Billar, when Villar was President, and there were the trapicheos and so on 979 01:30:06.880 --> 01:30:12.199 and in the last stage also with the character in question that has given so 980 01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:15.600 much to speak. But well, this is catching up and we have to 981 01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:26.960 see because there can be no internal mafias economic and economic exploitations that were in 982 01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:32.800 the public domain and then this is problematic the system in which it is, 983 01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:39.800 how the issue of the Federation is mounted with representatives who, in the end 984 01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:45.079 is one of the autonomic federations and from there, then, the problem that 985 01:30:45.279 --> 01:30:48.079 there is no real control of this management and that it seems that who controls 986 01:30:49.159 --> 01:30:55.880 it is the big problem. There is no real control that can be exercised 987 01:30:56.439 --> 01:31:01.279 of the figure of the President or of how the Federation then operates. So, 988 01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:06.560 even well, the scandals that have been seen in recent years, which 989 01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:10.680 we see are splattering every President, that is, even now the interim President, 990 01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:17.640 because he is also very much questioned. Then it would be necessary for 991 01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:21.800 there to be some kind of refoundation, I think, a general refoundation of 992 01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:26.359 the entire football system. But of course, for that you have to love 993 01:31:26.439 --> 01:31:30.800 them that are already there a little bit and also from the outside that really 994 01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:34.079 enough pressure is made so that the right steps can be taken. And I 995 01:31:34.119 --> 01:31:39.439 don' t really see that, that is, the people who are already 996 01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:44.439 in there are in control, so to speak, I think they' re 997 01:31:44.600 --> 01:31:47.319 just going to keep trying, play, change the chips, change the people 998 01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:53.439 who may be in the front to keep kicking forward a federation that is clear 999 01:31:54.319 --> 01:31:59.199 that people who are involved in it or who are inside it, because it 1000 01:31:59.239 --> 01:32:02.079 has very well also this kind of triumphs that the selection is leading, both 1001 01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:06.600 the female and the Spanish men' s forgiveness that they are actually doing very 1002 01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:15.279 good tournaments and that seems to give them as oxygen values to a structure. 1003 01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:20.760 I think very, very powerful. Yes, yes, by the way, 1004 01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:29.079 the women' s football team one of the best in the world, the 1005 01:32:29.079 --> 01:32:32.199 Spanish one And yes, after the blonde case, it is also that yes, 1006 01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:39.960 is that it was sighted in the distance of all the trapicheos and everyone 1007 01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:43.720 knowing it and then rocha, because of course it was also part of the 1008 01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:46.199 same litter, maybe not to the level, but yes. The government has 1009 01:32:46.319 --> 01:32:50.239 tried to get a little bit into the matter and, if not this, 1010 01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:54.880 it must be stopped. It had to be stopped. The case, of 1011 01:32:54.880 --> 01:33:00.520 course, of the player this that the famous little one, well, showed, 1012 01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:03.319 brought to light or other things, but well, in any case, 1013 01:33:03.680 --> 01:33:11.039 let' s enjoy it, to see if on Sunday we can celebrate it 1014 01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:15.159 for all the high champions of the Euro Cup and then the Olympics. Shortly 1015 01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:19.520 thereafter, on July 26, the Paris Olympics began. Wow. This is 1016 01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:25.720 until mid- August. I believe that it will also be Europe this year 1017 01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:28.920 is the center of world sport. Uh, yeah, yeah, well, 1018 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:32.479 exactly, the Olympics. It' s an event that I think everyone likes, 1019 01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:38.640 seeing something. At least it is difficult that with all the hundreds of 1020 01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:42.479 sports that compete there is no one that interests you and likes you. No. 1021 01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:46.399 And that' s already good, because we go to the subject of 1022 01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:51.560 athletes that many times, because they don' t see in other events or 1023 01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:57.279 that they don' t transcend too much at media level because sometimes they are 1024 01:33:57.399 --> 01:34:02.600 sports with less follow up and that there have their big showcase and Spain again 1025 01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:05.680 with a good chance. There are athletes who are making very good brands, 1026 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:11.600 for example the athletics that we have seen now, for example, the European 1027 01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:16.880 World Cups, and have left a very high standard in terms of possibilities, 1028 01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:21.560 which is what you can expect from the Spanish. There and then, in 1029 01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:26.600 team sports that Spain has always highlighted the truth that there are a lot of 1030 01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:31.319 team sports in which Spain always gives great performance good. We have seen, 1031 01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:39.239 we can mention handball, basketball, football, water polo, hockey, are 1032 01:34:39.239 --> 01:34:45.159 sports in which there is almost always a very good structure, good dynamics and 1033 01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:49.600 always come to the Olympics to compete very well. So there are a lot 1034 01:34:49.640 --> 01:34:56.840 of sports in which Spain sure has chances to take medals and well, beyond 1035 01:34:56.840 --> 01:35:01.119 what Spain can do, the theme to sport is very nice. I think 1036 01:35:01.119 --> 01:35:09.439 it' s still one of those things that are like the good things that 1037 01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:14.720 we can see in human beings developing in a positive way. And it is 1038 01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:16.439 true that around sport, as we said now, the federation and so on, 1039 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:24.399 there is corruption, but in general, it is a very nice thing 1040 01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:30.800 to see how people get the maximum effort from their work, from their training, 1041 01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:33.520 from their possibilities to achieve goals and to beat others, to be the 1042 01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:39.199 best. I think it is something that encourages us all and that really continues 1043 01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:45.800 to have very positive values to transmit to our society, societies that sometimes, 1044 01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:48.119 then, stay a little leveraged or that have no reference, because many times 1045 01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:53.720 the athletes can be a positive reference for him. Without a doubt, it 1046 01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:59.600 is a social revulsive, especially for the new generations, and an incentive also 1047 01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:03.880 a world- class show that we will enjoy from twenty- six. I 1048 01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:10.439 think I remember from July until late, as early as August. And well, 1049 01:36:10.479 --> 01:36:14.840 there in Paris, many of the country is exploiting. Well, my 1050 01:36:14.920 --> 01:36:19.279 kids are visiting a little bit before they go with my grandchildren to disney Ward 1051 01:36:20.039 --> 01:36:24.359 and there I tell her now that she' s going to burst and she 1052 01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:30.399 says no, but we' re coming before the Olympics and then Paris is 1053 01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:32.479 in fashion. Now all the people are coming to the Olympics. They attract 1054 01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:35.880 a lot of tourism. It is clear, before, during and after, 1055 01:36:36.640 --> 01:36:42.399 and that is what happened in the Spain of the ninety- two, when 1056 01:36:42.479 --> 01:36:48.000 Barcelona was in fashion during. Well, that drove her from there like never 1057 01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:55.479 before. Well, but we have domestic problems and we' re on the 1058 01:36:56.319 --> 01:37:00.239 subject of the menas, of the guys who come in patenting mostly a hundred 1059 01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:06.119 and seventy percent coming from Morocco. The great, the great dilemma that is 1060 01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:13.199 now in the political eavesdropping, not and that is having a repercussion between box 1061 01:37:13.279 --> 01:37:17.800 and the People' s Party and so on, but what, what and 1062 01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:23.039 what we do, how, how we handle, how we manage this problem 1063 01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:28.439 of overflowing immigration that reaches our shores. Daniel, this is good. He 1064 01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:30.880 asks you that the government has a hard time. Yeah, no, no, 1065 01:37:31.079 --> 01:37:34.920 it' s not a problem, it' s a problem that' 1066 01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:36.720 s not solved easily. As we' ve seen. It is true that 1067 01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:41.680 in the last year, because what has happened is a very large arrival of 1068 01:37:41.800 --> 01:37:46.680 immigrants, especially on the Route Canaria, I did not know as Ruta Canaria, 1069 01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:54.159 because there has been one, we can say, an avalanche, because 1070 01:37:54.359 --> 01:38:00.079 really before they have entered the last year, because many people and clear here 1071 01:38:00.159 --> 01:38:06.119 the issue is that unaccompanied minors, cannot enter the European divisions like the rest 1072 01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:13.039 of immigrants, that is, with the rest of immigrants. It seems that 1073 01:38:13.119 --> 01:38:17.600 good there are more agreements or more ease so that they can be taken to 1074 01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:24.000 one country or another in short they are adults, but with minors let' 1075 01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:26.560 s say that there is a much more delicate situation. So, right now, 1076 01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:29.720 what we' ve seen is that on channels they' re oversaturated, 1077 01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:34.359 that is, the reception centers that really don' t pay anymore. And 1078 01:38:34.479 --> 01:38:39.159 then a distribution system is proposed so that we can say that all of Spain, 1079 01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:45.880 in some way, can also welcome and in some way give shelter to 1080 01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:51.359 these children while their situation is resolved, which is sometimes not easy, is 1081 01:38:51.439 --> 01:38:56.680 to say that the situation can always be solved, because many times it is 1082 01:38:56.840 --> 01:39:00.039 not known that they have parents, often there is no record of which relatives 1083 01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:08.680 they can have. And all that then makes the process of being able to 1084 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:12.680 do something with these people difficult. So the issue is there, that there 1085 01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:16.520 is a political debate that is also present, although I think it is very 1086 01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:19.039 exaggerated, that is, at least what I have been seeing. In terms 1087 01:39:19.079 --> 01:39:25.319 of figures, the truth is that the figures are not as big as they 1088 01:39:25.399 --> 01:39:30.239 could sometimes appear when the editor is put in the sky by the cast. 1089 01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:33.159 I mean, I think that in this case the Box Party, which is 1090 01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:36.399 saying it' s making the most noise on this issue, is actually threatening 1091 01:39:36.479 --> 01:39:42.359 to break the government pacts with the PP It seems that they' re even 1092 01:39:42.359 --> 01:39:49.159 going to take it forward. But it' s not really figures that we 1093 01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:53.920 ' re not talking about thousands and thousands of minors, that is, we 1094 01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:59.920 ' re not sometimes talking about deliveries that can sometimes touch tens or some might 1095 01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:05.760 have to catch a hundred, but I think the autonomous communities should have the 1096 01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:08.800 capacity to do so. If they do not have it there, I think 1097 01:40:08.800 --> 01:40:11.720 it is, that a plan needs to be developed, that is, what 1098 01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:20.880 it should not be followed in this state which seems that there is no clear 1099 01:40:21.960 --> 01:40:25.800 strategy on the part of the government, neither on the part of Europe nor 1100 01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:29.560 on the part of the autonomous communities, that is to say, here we 1101 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:33.640 should be clear on what the plan is and also, because a little bit 1102 01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:41.720 of that plan, to define the strategy so that this is not always a 1103 01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:45.920 political riffi rafe, we should ask our politicians a little bit higher to be 1104 01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:50.880 able to solve the problems that it is for that purpose, for what they 1105 01:40:50.880 --> 01:41:00.359 are theoretically then is a complicated issue, because obviously there are no easy solutions, 1106 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:02.760 but there should be established at least ways in which not only politicians participate, 1107 01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:08.479 but also to give a voice, for example, to the best of 1108 01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:13.520 a table that could be put forward, a table that would raise alternatives, 1109 01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:16.960 in which the NGOs that are also taking part in the reception, in which, 1110 01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:21.439 as well, the authorities, of course, have a part, because 1111 01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:26.039 there is also a part that has to do with what the police, the 1112 01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:29.319 civil guard, because it also has to do in this sense that it has 1113 01:41:29.319 --> 01:41:30.239 to do in this. Anyway, there' s a lot of stuff. 1114 01:41:30.359 --> 01:41:35.960 Education. I think it should be a matter that, between different parts, 1115 01:41:36.800 --> 01:41:44.520 we should try to solve without being easy, knowing that tensions, knowing that 1116 01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:48.880 there may be difficulties to address it, but I wish it could be done 1117 01:41:49.359 --> 01:41:54.439 in a more calm way and not by saying the cry in heaven for a 1118 01:41:54.520 --> 01:41:59.920 cast, as it was this week, that I think they are good I 1119 01:41:59.920 --> 01:42:00.319 don' t know if they are six zero. Some say that there are 1120 01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:06.439 about six lower zeros that do not have to be distributed, because really, 1121 01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:13.680 if the country is not able to assume it, we will have to see 1122 01:42:13.680 --> 01:42:15.520 what to do. It' s not an easy answer, but I think 1123 01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:18.000 six zero should be able to take it. Now what' s going on? 1124 01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:20.319 Six months from now, there' s another six zero. That' 1125 01:42:20.439 --> 01:42:24.279 s what they should, because of course it' s a problem. It 1126 01:42:24.439 --> 01:42:30.600 ' s a complex problem. There is also talk of a new immigration law. 1127 01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:34.479 There is talk that Congress is going to debate a new immigration law. 1128 01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:42.560 It is true that Europe also has to enter this game, because Spain is 1129 01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:49.920 the gateway. But Spain cannot carry all this burden and such, on the 1130 01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:55.600 other hand, illegally. Of course, a lot of them are coming. 1131 01:42:56.000 --> 01:43:01.359 Of course, the entire immigration contingent is criminalized, and that is neither correct 1132 01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:05.960 nor fair. It is true that many of the crimes that occur are of 1133 01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:13.439 immigrant and Spanish people, also many immigrants from all over, not only from 1134 01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:17.479 Africa, but from the other day, the appearance and a robot that entered 1135 01:43:17.560 --> 01:43:24.079 my farm on the top, the bacon from above, because they entered through 1136 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:28.039 the balconies. Moreover, they were apparently Georgians, as I was talking to 1137 01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:33.720 the police. From these Georgian bands it means that they come from everywhere, 1138 01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:40.840 but also here clearly the precarious situation that live without papers, without work, 1139 01:43:41.119 --> 01:43:45.760 is a fish that bites the tail, then think of a problem and at 1140 01:43:46.159 --> 01:43:53.479 the same time is a necessity. That' s why you have to regulate 1141 01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:58.680 it, you have to look especially for the repeat multiplers automatically, you have 1142 01:43:59.000 --> 01:44:02.560 to take drastic measures as far as crimes comes from that I totally agree with 1143 01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:08.720 what has to be done and well, the more matches, as well as 1144 01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:13.239 Mark Like, who say ah now that I' m going to give in 1145 01:44:13.239 --> 01:44:14.640 free bar for everyone. No, no, no, that can' t 1146 01:44:14.640 --> 01:44:17.359 be, but this is an issue that needs to be rationalized. No, 1147 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:21.159 but you can' t. We can' t let these people on the 1148 01:44:21.239 --> 01:44:26.640 high seas die this. No, no, this is inhumanity. But, 1149 01:44:26.920 --> 01:44:30.159 well, Box seems to care nothing about that. No, yes, I 1150 01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:34.920 think that here, of course, there are statements that are very negative that 1151 01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:39.800 we have heard in the Box case. If you don' t agree with 1152 01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:43.560 the deal, you don' t agree with the plan, because it doesn 1153 01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:46.359 ' t agree with what you manifest or what you want, but of course 1154 01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:49.640 from there and to criminize as you were saying, not that it will mine 1155 01:44:49.640 --> 01:44:54.680 everything to everyone. Or it has been said that they will not participate in 1156 01:44:55.840 --> 01:45:00.000 bringing machetazo rapes and I do not know what more and robberies to their autonomous 1157 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:04.479 communities. Of course that is obviously a totally criminalizing message. You' re 1158 01:45:04.920 --> 01:45:10.760 saying that you' re all taking in criminals by themselves, without even having 1159 01:45:10.840 --> 01:45:17.279 committed anything yet. So this is a little strong and I think, as 1160 01:45:17.359 --> 01:45:23.640 you were saying, there is a structural problem that is not easy to solve, 1161 01:45:24.079 --> 01:45:30.760 but that it is not going to solve by closing the doors here licanto 1162 01:45:30.199 --> 01:45:31.800 and there really is not an easy solution either. I think so, that 1163 01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:39.239 it would be interesting if this collaboration between administrations could be approached a little more 1164 01:45:39.319 --> 01:45:45.159 smoothly and also, as I said before, trying to involve organisations. I 1165 01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:49.600 think even the Emangelic churches. I am sure that they could contribute in this 1166 01:45:49.720 --> 01:45:58.399 respect, that some kind of table could be formed so that, from different 1167 01:45:58.600 --> 01:46:04.239 social factors, they could also contribute to this situation of need that is taking 1168 01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:09.640 place. I was seeing a little bit in the numbers no and there really 1169 01:46:09.640 --> 01:46:14.279 is. For example, Canary Islands says it has received two thousand eight hundred 1170 01:46:14.640 --> 01:46:19.680 minors in pateras and Cayucos this year alone this year two thousand eight hundred. 1171 01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:25.760 Of course, if the trend continues, it could close to two thousand twenty 1172 01:46:26.159 --> 01:46:30.119 - four with more than eleven zero unaccompanied foreign minors, equivalent to the entire 1173 01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:36.399 population of Iron Island. Then, of course, Canary Islands cannot assume this. 1174 01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:43.920 So the idea is to be solidary the rest of Spain and we distribute 1175 01:46:44.720 --> 01:46:46.199 so that the reception can be done, that is, it is not being 1176 01:46:46.199 --> 01:46:49.520 posed. I believe that what is being proposed by the Government is to respond 1177 01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:55.479 and try to solve the problem that is right now in the Canary Islands, 1178 01:46:57.279 --> 01:46:59.479 now with which there is already one. What we must also try to do 1179 01:46:59.520 --> 01:47:01.199 is to ensure that they do not arrive, that is, if this level 1180 01:47:01.279 --> 01:47:06.319 of minors has already reached, because we must try to do some policy that 1181 01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:13.800 somehow reduces this massive arrival. Yes, but this is complex because the countries 1182 01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:18.159 of origin, including from Tunisia, Mauritania and others, are also being talked 1183 01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:26.359 about and making contributions from the European Union to give them another way out or 1184 01:47:26.479 --> 01:47:31.359 other directions. But in the end these waves come back and it' s 1185 01:47:31.439 --> 01:47:36.119 true that these guys are not controlled, not all, but some do commit 1186 01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:40.800 crimes, some of them. But of course, we cannot say this cannot 1187 01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:45.560 be generalized and it is also true that sometimes the conditions under which they are 1188 01:47:45.680 --> 01:47:51.439 found are conditions sometimes conducive to crime falling. Of course, it' s 1189 01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:54.520 also a problem, that is, what they' re doing. If they 1190 01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:59.159 are not doing anything at all, of course, it is very easy for 1191 01:47:59.239 --> 01:48:03.319 them to end up, because they fall into that criminal practices that can sometimes 1192 01:48:03.319 --> 01:48:04.840 be minor robberies and such a man. But, of course, we don 1193 01:48:04.840 --> 01:48:08.840 ' t want that. Then, of course, there is the problem of 1194 01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:13.479 the development paths that can be given to them. Many times we have and 1195 01:48:13.520 --> 01:48:16.479 have commented on it once. There are also minors who, when they are 1196 01:48:16.520 --> 01:48:19.199 adults, leave the centres. They are no longer in the juvenile centre, 1197 01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:24.439 obviously, and where they are going. There' s no answer. There 1198 01:48:24.479 --> 01:48:26.560 ' s no plan. There is no answer to this, there is no 1199 01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:29.199 continuous plan. It gives them a choice. Of course, they are given 1200 01:48:29.239 --> 01:48:32.880 no alternative, as they are given no alternative. They' re told everything. 1201 01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:35.520 From here you can' t be anymore and now look for your life. 1202 01:48:35.560 --> 01:48:43.000 So it' s very easy for a semi- mafian structure to come 1203 01:48:43.239 --> 01:48:46.680 and really get you for whatever it is, not for some criminal activity, 1204 01:48:46.960 --> 01:48:50.640 that' s there in legality, like it can be many times they' 1205 01:48:50.760 --> 01:48:55.560 re selling some kind of product on the streets. Then it' s hard. 1206 01:48:55.640 --> 01:49:00.920 It' s hard if we don' t really build a path that 1207 01:49:01.119 --> 01:49:05.399 allows you to regulate or normalize. And I think this is already a subject 1208 01:49:05.479 --> 01:49:11.159 that has been dragging on for many years, that is to say, we 1209 01:49:11.239 --> 01:49:17.039 are going now, because that twenty- five years of irregular immigration arriving all 1210 01:49:17.279 --> 01:49:24.880 our shores, and it seems that it is still difficult for us to put 1211 01:49:25.119 --> 01:49:27.600 in place some kind of plan that can help resolve certain situations. It is 1212 01:49:27.680 --> 01:49:31.800 strange in Catalonia, which is one of the most typically supportive in this type 1213 01:49:31.840 --> 01:49:41.199 of question, they do not accept to take two hundred and sixty less, 1214 01:49:41.319 --> 01:49:44.600 because they say it will be the limit of their capacity. And that is 1215 01:49:44.720 --> 01:49:47.840 true that in some it happens are usually supportive of this kind of thing. 1216 01:49:48.960 --> 01:49:54.880 And good communities. What is striking is the issue of the break- up 1217 01:49:54.920 --> 01:49:58.159 that this afternoon is about to announce all the agreements in the communities that govern 1218 01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:01.479 with PP BOX. Well, well, steady is holding on to saying good. 1219 01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:05.279 We' re not going either. We have to be in solidarity with 1220 01:50:05.279 --> 01:50:12.000 each other. We cannot let communities overburden them and leave them under cover of 1221 01:50:12.680 --> 01:50:16.039 everything. And politically, I think that in the end, the pp isn 1222 01:50:16.159 --> 01:50:19.640 ' t going to pose a problem either because they break the pact with VOX. 1223 01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:21.600 But they' re not breaking up. In other words, the government 1224 01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:27.560 is already running budgets already approved in the autonomous communities budgets can be extended, 1225 01:50:28.079 --> 01:50:32.640 i e you are not cutting it off or forcing it to call elections immediately 1226 01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:36.760 with the fact that they leave the governments. Person who leaves the Government, 1227 01:50:38.199 --> 01:50:43.159 the pp can appoint someone to replace him or even seek some timely support, 1228 01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:46.600 given the circumstance that may appear to him from another party. I wouldn' 1229 01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:54.199 t even be surprised if at some point I could get to the point support 1230 01:50:54.239 --> 01:50:58.920 of some group, be born a list or some of the PSOE at some 1231 01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:01.319 point to keep the legislature. Because, of course, in this matter it 1232 01:51:01.439 --> 01:51:08.920 seems to me that Bueno Box is trying here to play his electoral bazaar as 1233 01:51:08.920 --> 01:51:12.720 well and his position, and I think that we should not take a little 1234 01:51:12.760 --> 01:51:16.840 account of what has happened in recent months, that is, Box is no 1235 01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:20.239 stranger to what has happened in Europeans, that is, that a force has 1236 01:51:20.239 --> 01:51:26.039 emerged, as the party that comes with a very strong speech on the subject 1237 01:51:26.239 --> 01:51:30.439 of anti- migration ended, and that Box really does not want to leave 1238 01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:36.079 a little room for this good party for the moment, of association of readers, 1239 01:51:38.279 --> 01:51:43.399 but with the possibility that this party, since it has had such a 1240 01:51:43.439 --> 01:51:46.720 success in Europeans, will jump into the national panorama and once he does it, 1241 01:51:46.840 --> 01:51:49.720 it will probably do so, because who is going to take votes from, 1242 01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:55.840 because Box is also taking a little bit of it trying to tie those 1243 01:51:55.880 --> 01:51:58.000 votes that he already has and that do not escape him. On that side, 1244 01:51:59.439 --> 01:52:05.119 yes, exactly, so is the complexity, let' s say of 1245 01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:11.399 the political parliamentary arch and pact policies, which are inevitable now in all absolute 1246 01:52:11.479 --> 01:52:16.439 majorities has ended today and well, there are some have, it is true 1247 01:52:16.439 --> 01:52:21.359 that there has to be a new immigration law and they have to rationalize everything, 1248 01:52:21.359 --> 01:52:26.720 absolutely everything. But you can' t leave it under the cover of 1249 01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:31.880 tragedy, of inhumanity to people who come as they come and can' t 1250 01:52:31.960 --> 01:52:39.560 be left behind and then revolutions hot. It is another problem also our legal 1251 01:52:40.039 --> 01:52:44.279 problem as well and it is another real problem. That issue gives a lot 1252 01:52:44.319 --> 01:52:46.800 of yes, no, but well let' s see in the coming times 1253 01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:49.239 there' s going to be a lot of talk about this. But we 1254 01:52:49.239 --> 01:52:57.760 already know that in France, after this almost terrorous fear that the ultra- 1255 01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:03.479 right would take over legislative weapons. Well, in the end, the French 1256 01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:09.319 have done this on other occasions in a vow of punishment. In a first 1257 01:53:09.439 --> 01:53:15.119 round they voted ultra right and in the second not to make a call attention. 1258 01:53:15.399 --> 01:53:19.720 There is unrest over Macrons' policies, that on the right and the 1259 01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:29.560 most radical left. But finally, of course, if France, in that 1260 01:53:29.560 --> 01:53:39.600 sense, which is a political bulwark of Europe, dismembers itself internally Houston, 1261 01:53:40.039 --> 01:53:44.319 we have a problem. Well, let' s see what happens not in 1262 01:53:44.319 --> 01:53:46.840 France, because the political issue is very hot, as we have seen already, 1263 01:53:47.520 --> 01:53:56.479 when Macron advanced the elections in the legislative ones, it was seen that 1264 01:53:57.239 --> 01:54:00.479 he had an earthquake, although it is true that in the end Macron has 1265 01:54:00.479 --> 01:54:09.680 not come out more entirely, because in the face of the increase of the 1266 01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:15.239 right of the lepen because he has contained that assault on the institutions that could 1267 01:54:15.319 --> 01:54:21.760 be taken a little for granted, and in the end, it has been 1268 01:54:21.840 --> 01:54:29.199 the left that has managed to remain as the first option in this case, 1269 01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:34.199 that coalition of the left that have managed to mount inextremis against the clock but 1270 01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:34.199 of course, with a lot of effectiveness when it comes to dealing with this 1271 01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:36.960 system. As you say in the second round of two rounds in which, 1272 01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:42.439 in the end, then, the Party of Lapena has been punished, although 1273 01:54:42.439 --> 01:54:45.000 they had expectations. Evidently, they had the expectation of being equal the first 1274 01:54:45.039 --> 01:54:47.960 force. So, let' s say that yes, it has been a 1275 01:54:48.640 --> 01:54:54.680 surprise that both the Macrono Party has endured quite well as the fact that the 1276 01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:59.840 Left, for it was left in the first place. And it is clear 1277 01:55:00.319 --> 01:55:05.520 that the configuration is not easy either, because Mccron now has to agree with 1278 01:55:06.840 --> 01:55:13.840 the left similar to the one we can have here we can, that is, 1279 01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:19.760 it is a left that is quite far from what Macron can say on 1280 01:55:19.800 --> 01:55:27.720 many issues. So, let' s see if they get how they can 1281 01:55:27.760 --> 01:55:30.760 move on this clau that. Now France too seems to be taking some political 1282 01:55:30.199 --> 01:55:34.279 breath from the party we were talking about before the Olympic Games, but it 1283 01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:38.880 is clear that starting in September we will see what is happening in this country 1284 01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:43.920 and we are seeing movements at an interesting political level. What has also happened 1285 01:55:43.960 --> 01:55:46.000 in the United Kingdom, that is to say, the fact that the Socialist 1286 01:55:46.520 --> 01:55:55.479 Party there in the Labour Party has also achieved such a crushing victory. It 1287 01:55:55.600 --> 01:56:02.439 seems that it is as we have seen in the parties of conservative and right 1288 01:56:02.920 --> 01:56:09.239 - wing identity parties, because they also have their counterpart, that is, 1289 01:56:09.439 --> 01:56:13.439 also on the left side, because there are those who are enduring, so 1290 01:56:13.520 --> 01:56:19.560 to speak, or re- emerging and give a more varied picture of what 1291 01:56:19.680 --> 01:56:26.079 it might seem a few months ago in which it was seen, because it 1292 01:56:26.079 --> 01:56:28.920 is a conservative and right- wing identity classroom, because it really razes across 1293 01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:30.800 Europe. And now, it looks like a bit of a thing that' 1294 01:56:30.880 --> 01:56:40.000 s not so unbalanced. Yes, it really is a very ambiguous board, 1295 01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:45.800 although in the European Chamber, on the ultra- right, it is the 1296 01:56:45.880 --> 01:56:50.439 third largest group, and that even though Meloni has been derailed, but in 1297 01:56:50.479 --> 01:56:56.600 Meloni it is also part of that platoon, even if independently it means that 1298 01:56:56.720 --> 01:57:01.680 it is a significant force and a voice that is inevitably going to have to 1299 01:57:01.720 --> 01:57:06.720 listen and that is going to war. Politically speaking, but the complexity of 1300 01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:13.760 what is happening is evident. The Labour Party in England, in Great Britain, 1301 01:57:13.920 --> 01:57:17.199 in the United Kingdom, has nothing to do with Spanish socialism, which 1302 01:57:17.800 --> 01:57:24.600 has been greatly drawn to the ultra left. It is not much more moderate 1303 01:57:24.680 --> 01:57:30.279 socialism, except for Corbing, who disappeared. It is a much more moderate 1304 01:57:30.279 --> 01:57:38.359 party, but it has evidently knocked down the Toris who had made a policy 1305 01:57:38.399 --> 01:57:43.000 of disaster in the last few years and who has gone from bad to worse 1306 01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:45.640 and in France, the ultrade and the popular front east as well. But 1307 01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:48.720 with everything and with it the forces, that is to say that the Members 1308 01:57:48.720 --> 01:58:00.520 who have taken out see him in a presidential election is that proportionally they are 1309 01:58:00.520 --> 01:58:05.319 majority proportionally careful, careful, we will see yes, still they say that 1310 01:58:05.399 --> 01:58:10.479 they are still waiting their turn and have not played. Let' s say 1311 01:58:10.479 --> 01:58:14.840 they keep growing, that is, you see the elections and practically they' 1312 01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:16.039 re all growing a little bit more. And good. That also tells us 1313 01:58:16.119 --> 01:58:21.239 a little bit about the answers that France and the problems it is facing, 1314 01:58:23.119 --> 01:58:30.079 and the answers are trying to look for the different problems that are being posed 1315 01:58:30.159 --> 01:58:32.399 today in many of the societies in which we have. It is clear that 1316 01:58:32.439 --> 01:58:34.920 in France, for example, there is an issue which is very much present, 1317 01:58:35.079 --> 01:58:41.600 which is the subject of Islam, which is a very powerful issue and 1318 01:58:41.880 --> 01:58:46.359 which is of concern, and that there is a lot of concern among many 1319 01:58:46.880 --> 01:58:53.359 people in France about this advance of Islam and which, in some way as 1320 01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:59.439 it also affects coexistence, because we have also seen that there are sometimes difficulties 1321 01:58:59.479 --> 01:59:06.840 for countries where there is a high percentage of people of Islamic faith in some 1322 01:59:06.920 --> 01:59:13.600 way to accept democracy or make certain parts of certain characteristics of democracy. And 1323 01:59:14.079 --> 01:59:20.279 it is really feared that they might somehow come to power, start taking certain 1324 01:59:20.399 --> 01:59:28.439 positions that really seem very difficult to see right now. But who knows what 1325 01:59:28.520 --> 01:59:32.399 may come to power Certain factions are coming to power and this is also part 1326 01:59:32.439 --> 01:59:36.439 of what the future of Europe can do. Europe is changing and we are 1327 01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:39.960 going to see, we are going to see what is happening in the coming 1328 01:59:40.039 --> 01:59:45.479 years, also in this respect, because it is a continent that, as 1329 01:59:45.560 --> 01:59:50.239 we have said, is still a very aged continent and that, in that 1330 01:59:51.119 --> 01:59:59.000 sense, because so well present to that struggle right now between a certain conservatism, 1331 01:59:59.399 --> 02:00:01.560 but also the forces that come from that in no way and that are 1332 02:00:01.560 --> 02:00:06.600 emerging are not forces, let us say, of the left, but that 1333 02:00:06.720 --> 02:00:10.000 are sometimes forces that identify other types of forces. Yes, of course, 1334 02:00:10.159 --> 02:00:15.960 this is a mare magnum of very politically complex issues. Speaking of France, 1335 02:00:16.439 --> 02:00:23.560 the social protest revolts in France are very dangerous. You can take a turn 1336 02:00:24.039 --> 02:00:28.319 and you mean well, and I realize every time in politics there' s 1337 02:00:28.439 --> 02:00:31.840 nothing stable, there' s nothing certain. Every time things can turn to 1338 02:00:31.880 --> 02:00:41.079 the most unexpected situations you can imagine. And well, and even Europe, 1339 02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:46.239 that being the richest continent, politically more stable at the moment, with turbulence 1340 02:00:46.399 --> 02:00:54.399 And so, if Europe is destabilized, the world has a problem because other 1341 02:00:55.079 --> 02:01:01.920 parts of the world are wrong, including the United States. The U S 1342 02:01:02.279 --> 02:01:06.840 internally is not right. Of course, China is ahead of it in economic 1343 02:01:08.159 --> 02:01:15.079 implementation. The economic colonization of China' s economic imperialism is superior to that 1344 02:01:15.119 --> 02:01:19.640 of the United States. The political situation in the United States is very precarious. 1345 02:01:20.479 --> 02:01:27.319 Social intern And we' ll see what happens to the issue of Baiden, 1346 02:01:27.359 --> 02:01:30.960 who is a man, who is an incapable man, but we don 1347 02:01:31.000 --> 02:01:32.760 ' t have to take him out of the way. And then, because 1348 02:01:32.880 --> 02:01:39.079 Donaldtran is a good alternative for the country either, but I see it' 1349 02:01:39.199 --> 02:01:46.039 s amazing that they don' t have candidates, candidates let' s say 1350 02:01:46.119 --> 02:01:51.600 relevant when in Napolia it seems that nobody wants to face these challenges of this 1351 02:01:51.600 --> 02:01:58.800 size, because Kamala Harris, for example, is a total incompetent, total, 1352 02:01:59.199 --> 02:02:02.199 be it a woman of gray, low profile and such, but good. 1353 02:02:02.840 --> 02:02:06.000 And then, on the other side of the republic, because they have 1354 02:02:06.119 --> 02:02:11.079 no candidates either, and this man, who is not knowing politics of how 1355 02:02:11.399 --> 02:02:15.720 to lead a country here, there can be a major political catastrophe. Yeah, 1356 02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:16.720 well, we' re not gonna see what. What' s going 1357 02:02:17.319 --> 02:02:20.159 on is not the truth, which is a year that there are many more 1358 02:02:20.319 --> 02:02:23.000 elections going on and these, let' s say, are very important. 1359 02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:27.920 Not what has anything to do with what happens October November there in the United 1360 02:02:28.000 --> 02:02:32.800 States, because, as we have always seen, although in the United States 1361 02:02:32.880 --> 02:02:39.560 it is losing international relevance, it is still the great superpower in many respects, 1362 02:02:39.640 --> 02:02:43.600 the military, of course, and of course, the fact that there 1363 02:02:44.560 --> 02:02:47.119 is a government that has international policies, for example, of one kind of 1364 02:02:47.199 --> 02:02:53.840 another, because that marks a lot what happens at other levels, without forgetting 1365 02:02:54.159 --> 02:02:57.760 that geopolitical situation, not only in the case of what is happening with China, 1366 02:02:58.119 --> 02:03:01.359 but also with Russia. The conflict also in Israel, that is, 1367 02:03:01.880 --> 02:03:06.840 there are a lot of hot potatoes that is really not very clear what the 1368 02:03:06.920 --> 02:03:11.640 U S response is going to be. There' s one candidate or there 1369 02:03:11.640 --> 02:03:15.079 ' s another. I mean, let' s see what happens, because 1370 02:03:15.079 --> 02:03:18.319 really, for example, right now the one who could win that strump that 1371 02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:23.079 looks like it' s all headed for what might happen. That, then, 1372 02:03:24.760 --> 02:03:29.680 is going to take some political decisions at the international level that I believe 1373 02:03:29.680 --> 02:03:32.079 will have consequences. Then we will have to see what happens in that sense. 1374 02:03:32.399 --> 02:03:35.279 Yes, yes, with the exception of Israel, which is going to 1375 02:03:35.319 --> 02:03:43.119 support it to the death, likewise the other countries, the issue of Ukraine, 1376 02:03:43.560 --> 02:03:50.199 the other nor such will be on the looserope, because if it is 1377 02:03:51.279 --> 02:03:58.359 so that it finally wins, because it can emerge a candidate from if mitchello 1378 02:03:58.560 --> 02:04:01.840 roda Obama, proposes himself as candidate. Finally, they' re not so 1379 02:04:01.840 --> 02:04:05.319 clear. Do all tran yes, well, yes, of course if they 1380 02:04:05.399 --> 02:04:10.840 change candidates that could occur in the coming weeks. There are not especially these 1381 02:04:10.960 --> 02:04:13.800 last two weeks, there are a lot of movements from that debate, in 1382 02:04:14.520 --> 02:04:18.640 which the shortcomings of living mainly the difficulties that it sometimes has to maintain the 1383 02:04:18.920 --> 02:04:25.600 thread or, therefore, to answer some of the questions that were raised to 1384 02:04:25.680 --> 02:04:31.199 it. Well, that, I think, shows a very big weakness that 1385 02:04:31.239 --> 02:04:34.039 you' d already seen dancing. Yeah, well, we' ve been 1386 02:04:34.159 --> 02:04:39.079 seeing her for a long time, and now she' s getting stronger. 1387 02:04:39.159 --> 02:04:42.279 So, I think it' s going to be very difficult for him to 1388 02:04:42.279 --> 02:04:44.880 remain a candidate. So, yes, it could change what you were saying 1389 02:04:44.920 --> 02:04:47.560 before politics is very changing. No one can really predict what' s going 1390 02:04:47.560 --> 02:04:50.720 to happen. And one of the things that could change the board a lot 1391 02:04:51.199 --> 02:04:58.279 would be the appearance of another candidate by the Democratic Party, the place they 1392 02:04:58.359 --> 02:05:00.680 live that right now seemed pretty much more. Yeah. Well, then, 1393 02:05:00.720 --> 02:05:08.199 we will continue to talk about these issues because they are the ones that our 1394 02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:15.159 daily bread in the social and political chronicle and other peripheral issues that we are 1395 02:05:15.319 --> 02:05:21.600 entertaining, but speaking only now in this final reflection of this interview Daniel Protestante 1396 02:05:23.199 --> 02:05:27.880 Digital, the magazine that speaks of interesting for our listeners. Many know it, 1397 02:05:27.960 --> 02:05:32.239 but others have not yet entered the pages of Digital Protestant. It' 1398 02:05:32.479 --> 02:05:41.000 s the paper. The newspaper is precisely worth the digital redundancy that is at 1399 02:05:41.119 --> 02:05:45.199 the forefront of the Protestant world, of the evangelical world, in our country 1400 02:05:45.039 --> 02:05:49.880 and even in Ibero- America, the most frequent and also from the social 1401 02:05:50.520 --> 02:05:56.880 powers and public life appear to Protestant Digital. And the interesting thing about Digital 1402 02:05:56.920 --> 02:06:00.960 Protestant is that it addresses internal issues of the faith and the Christian community, 1403 02:06:00.199 --> 02:06:09.640 but many current issues, from very interesting contrasts. There with yourself, Daniel 1404 02:06:09.800 --> 02:06:15.279 as director of Digital Protestant, with Joel Foster, with Jonathan Soriano, with 1405 02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:21.119 Pedro Tarquís and with a campus of and others and other collaborations that make it 1406 02:06:21.199 --> 02:06:29.359 very interesting. And don' t miss passing by the Digital Protestant Digital magazine, 1407 02:06:29.640 --> 02:06:32.199 which you could tell us as the director of this magazine, that I 1408 02:06:32.439 --> 02:06:36.520 ' ve been saying so much, because yes, thank you for putting the 1409 02:06:36.600 --> 02:06:42.199 good words, as always Julio and your collaboration also and we really have a 1410 02:06:42.199 --> 02:06:45.119 content. I think that very interesting these last few weeks is that, moreover, 1411 02:06:45.600 --> 02:06:48.960 the current situation has not passed and we have closely followed everything that has 1412 02:06:49.039 --> 02:06:55.880 happened. For example, we have assessments of the elections that took place in 1413 02:06:55.960 --> 02:07:00.560 France and the United Kingdom, with evangelical voices from each of these countries. 1414 02:07:00.199 --> 02:07:03.840 We also have reports on the Euro Cup, which we have also talked about 1415 02:07:03.960 --> 02:07:12.399 at this time. Also, for things that are happening more at the evangelical 1416 02:07:12.399 --> 02:07:17.279 level. We could say there is a very interesting report about a Punjab church 1417 02:07:17.279 --> 02:07:21.000 in Barcelona. I think it' s very interesting to see how they are 1418 02:07:21.039 --> 02:07:29.359 reaching different immigrants, different sectors that are sometimes not reached and how they are 1419 02:07:29.439 --> 02:07:34.880 doing a great job among them chronicles such as the World Nursing Congress that was 1420 02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:40.279 overtaken, which took place in Malaga a few days ago. And then, 1421 02:07:40.319 --> 02:07:45.119 as always, interviews with relevant people, interesting people to tell about things that 1422 02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:49.000 also have to do with life, with culture, with faith, with things 1423 02:07:49.119 --> 02:07:58.239 that are always worth reading or caring for. So good to invite, as 1424 02:07:58.279 --> 02:08:01.520 always to digital Protestant amicator, to read the contents. We also have several 1425 02:08:01.520 --> 02:08:05.479 recent video interviews there. In short, many things that I think can be 1426 02:08:05.560 --> 02:08:09.560 very upbuilding and always a perspective a little different from the actuality that is what 1427 02:08:09.680 --> 02:08:16.640 we bring and this section of Christian business leaders and is magnificent the number of 1428 02:08:16.920 --> 02:08:22.600 interviews and contributions and keys that it is good that you have to go through 1429 02:08:22.680 --> 02:08:26.479 there, you have to see it and make a bet to the day of 1430 02:08:26.960 --> 02:08:33.760 ours and of what from our worldview there is also critical analysis as very very 1431 02:08:33.960 --> 02:08:39.880 interesting and profound, because in digital Protestant, as there you can access directly. 1432 02:08:41.920 --> 02:08:46.720 Daniel, well, I wish you a good summer and I believe that 1433 02:08:46.720 --> 02:08:48.800 God, through God' s favor, we will meet in South Korea. 1434 02:08:50.399 --> 02:08:54.800 That is, that is here we will be, if God wants September, 1435 02:08:56.039 --> 02:09:01.720 there we will find if Providence how green it seems that we will be in 1436 02:09:01.840 --> 02:09:07.000 the Congress that makes me very excited because the 50th anniversary of the USN Congress, 1437 02:09:07.079 --> 02:09:13.600 which has transformed the reality of the evangelization of the world into these, 1438 02:09:13.920 --> 02:09:18.000 the impulse that has given this Conference to all kinds, and that of the 1439 02:09:18.159 --> 02:09:24.279 twenty- five gaps to analyze and so many interesting things. Well, I 1440 02:09:24.359 --> 02:09:28.800 think it' s a privilege to be able to participate and enjoy it and 1441 02:09:28.840 --> 02:09:31.439 then continue working in our home countries. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1442 02:09:31.520 --> 02:09:35.439 It' s gonna be great. I believe it is an event in 1443 02:09:35.560 --> 02:09:39.600 which five zero people participate in a face- to- face manner. Another 1444 02:09:39.720 --> 02:09:43.640 five zero will be connected online to participate, that is, ten zero evangelicals 1445 02:09:43.720 --> 02:09:46.319 from all over the world, from all countries of the world. We' 1446 02:09:46.319 --> 02:09:50.039 ll be there from Spain. We will be traveling to about thirty forty people 1447 02:09:50.039 --> 02:09:56.479 or so, so it will be great to be able to share that time 1448 02:09:56.640 --> 02:10:00.439 there and also the expectation that we do not really have an income, that 1449 02:10:00.520 --> 02:10:03.960 it will not be left alone as a congress, but that from there will 1450 02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:13.199 emerge documents initiatives and can continue to promote mission and evangelization worldwide in all areas. 1451 02:10:13.800 --> 02:10:18.640 So we' re also going to be reporting on that very punctually. 1452 02:10:18.760 --> 02:10:22.680 We already have some reports published also in digital protest. If anyone wants to 1453 02:10:22.760 --> 02:10:26.600 look about the Usandra movement, we also have a recent interview with Yao Mallenas 1454 02:10:26.720 --> 02:10:35.159 talking about the subject and, of course, that the expectation is high and 1455 02:10:35.279 --> 02:10:37.760 we hope it will also be good. We' re also going to inform 1456 02:10:37.800 --> 02:10:39.399 people about what they' re going to live there, because I think it 1457 02:10:39.399 --> 02:10:41.760 ' s going to be very relevant. That' s right, dear friend, 1458 02:10:41.800 --> 02:10:46.800 Well, I wish you a good summer and then God, through there 1459 02:10:46.880 --> 02:10:54.079 we will most likely agree and enjoy it and then we will report many things 1460 02:10:54.119 --> 02:10:58.199 of interest to everyone, because thank you, thank you very much, Julio, 1461 02:10:58.720 --> 02:11:00.880 and also have a good summer. Thanks to You, Daniel, a 1462 02:11:00.960 --> 02:11:52.680 hug, dear friend, the train of life I love with us the man 1463 02:11:54.560 --> 02:12:16.760 Jesus. My powers are to respect the name of Jesus. It is amazing 1464 02:12:16.960 --> 02:12:28.000 and bringed the God, the God imposes himself, draws near, hears that 1465 02:12:28.479 --> 02:12:50.880 it is that I worship him inspired over tomber kings to always heso that there 1466 02:12:50.159 --> 02:13:07.359 is no other lore given over that they are, Lord t but give me 1467 02:13:07.479 --> 02:13:16.199 a square to Christ Jesus and we jump an iPad in your man. The 1468 02:13:16.479 --> 02:13:31.600 name of Jesus loves it o of the darkness and that of the man of 1469 02:13:31.159 --> 02:13:48.880 Jesus how he ceased to see me because as universe Tedios to the death of 1470 02:13:48.880 --> 02:14:05.279 another, do not take the tourity to sing clear, but or on gray 1471 02:14:05.279 --> 02:14:20.680 hairs. Thank you j That, this came the soon turn. Fat men, 1472 02:14:22.920 --> 02:14:43.079 not about rhymes. I think this and do not bore the other man, 1473 02:14:45.600 --> 02:15:16.359 look, men gestures of sors, sir we are. Thank you for 1474 02:15:18.680 --> 02:16:26.960 either satin or egg wax. Either man is afraid, or above all man, 1475 02:16:28.119 --> 02:17:24.639 especially men to free him not or he' s right. Thank you 1476 02:17:24.719 --> 02:17:28.920 to go to work, to forget about the air conditioning, to travel the 1477 02:17:28.920 --> 02:17:33.040 world. Whatever the reason you use your bike, what matters is that you 1478 02:17:33.079 --> 02:17:39.120 enjoy without risking your life always wear the helmet, circulate at the right speed 1479 02:17:39.239 --> 02:17:43.719 and avoid the advances in curve on foot, by bike, by motorcycle or 1480 02:17:43.719 --> 02:17:50.280 by car. What we want is for you to arrive at the General Traffic 1481 02:17:50.360 --> 02:18:01.360 Directorate, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain, the train of life, 1482 02:18:03.440 --> 02:18:31.399 an exciting journey along the routes of the heart, an unforgettable trip at 1483 02:18:31.479 --> 02:18:35.799 the rate of trem Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are still here traveling 1484 02:18:35.959 --> 02:18:39.520 along the routes of the heart and of the human soul. Never, ever 1485 02:18:39.600 --> 02:18:43.479 better said, because this is a different journalism. It is the journalism of 1486 02:18:43.280 --> 02:18:50.479 the soul that also forces us to reflect on that immaterial part of ourselves, 1487 02:18:50.879 --> 02:18:54.399 but that has so much importance in human life, the soul that is part 1488 02:18:54.520 --> 02:19:00.280 of our essential being, of the human being. This morning we are in 1489 02:19:00.360 --> 02:19:03.200 direct line with Don Joaquín Lebra, our good friend, our magnificent dear. 1490 02:19:05.159 --> 02:19:11.680 We always listen as attentively as the students to the teacher. Actually, to 1491 02:19:11.879 --> 02:19:15.319 Don Joaquín Lebra, this morning he' s going to tell us about sin. 1492 02:19:15.399 --> 02:19:20.040 It is a religious lie that has been socialized. It is a Christian 1493 02:19:20.120 --> 02:19:26.079 Judeo lie that has been inserted into the social consciousness through religion. That' 1494 02:19:26.159 --> 02:19:30.399 s what they say, but what can we say before. That' s 1495 02:19:31.040 --> 02:19:37.920 it or it' s another way. Good morning, Joaquin. Good morning, 1496 02:19:37.360 --> 02:19:41.879 July today, good morning to the entire audience. All right, Joaquin, 1497 02:19:41.000 --> 02:19:46.000 look at you. We wanted who better than you to ask you some 1498 02:19:46.079 --> 02:19:52.159 questions about things that are more familiar to us and we assume them for many 1499 02:19:52.799 --> 02:20:00.719 of us who confess heart- to- heart Christians, convicted confessors, but 1500 02:20:00.840 --> 02:20:05.000 for all of us in the social and popular consciousness, why it is so 1501 02:20:05.159 --> 02:20:11.280 strange to hear about sin today, for I would say that because the vast 1502 02:20:11.360 --> 02:20:18.600 majority of people have studied morals or ethics or have not done so, they 1503 02:20:18.799 --> 02:20:30.239 have a concept as very legalistic, very non- mystical of sin related to 1504 02:20:30.239 --> 02:20:33.239 prohibitions, things that can be done, that cannot be done or should not 1505 02:20:33.319 --> 02:20:43.799 be done and that have been expressed in a very legalistic way. And then 1506 02:20:43.319 --> 02:20:50.200 the origin of sin is very unknown to many people. I would even dare 1507 02:20:50.319 --> 02:20:56.079 to say that in many Christian circles, because I know many and are many 1508 02:20:56.559 --> 02:21:03.680 years old, I have seen that most odes are not even made or know 1509 02:21:03.840 --> 02:21:15.959 how to make a distinction between sin and sins. Sins understood as faults against 1510 02:21:16.159 --> 02:21:22.639 current morality, against ethics in the society in which one lives, which is 1511 02:21:24.239 --> 02:21:28.639 very changing, because society is changing, evolving, not necessarily for the better, 1512 02:21:30.399 --> 02:21:39.360 but also for the better. And, of course, sins already enter 1513 02:21:39.479 --> 02:21:45.159 the casuistics, because they change and vary with the passage of the years and 1514 02:21:45.239 --> 02:21:50.920 in the last years with great speed, as almost everything in the last times, 1515 02:21:52.319 --> 02:21:56.040 in that process of acceleration of time and events, but of sin, 1516 02:21:58.079 --> 02:22:05.559 of sin as the cause of all the evils and all the problems of humanity, 1517 02:22:05.920 --> 02:22:11.200 for many do not know much of it and I say to you I 1518 02:22:11.680 --> 02:22:20.159 insist in this it confuses sin with sins. Yeah, there' s really 1519 02:22:20.159 --> 02:22:26.760 one. The subject of sin is a word Socially, current secularism, which 1520 02:22:26.920 --> 02:22:31.799 many years ago, has anathemized this word, because when in a discourse or 1521 02:22:33.319 --> 02:22:39.399 in a colloquial talk on a social level, it occurs to you to say 1522 02:22:39.479 --> 02:22:46.680 that what you call sin to a certain thing, for it seems to be 1523 02:22:46.760 --> 02:22:52.319 for some it is a bit of a curt, antimodern, religious, outmoded, 1524 02:22:54.000 --> 02:22:56.520 unproprietary, an anachronistic word. This is the feeling that a lot of 1525 02:22:56.520 --> 02:23:01.559 people have. It is clear that I remember or when in canon law, 1526 02:23:03.079 --> 02:23:09.079 because it was said I do not remember the precise quantities, but it was 1527 02:23:09.200 --> 02:23:16.120 something like subtracting ninety- nine pesetas was venial sin and subtracting a hundred pesetas 1528 02:23:16.360 --> 02:23:20.520 was mortal sin. Or the exact quantities I don' t remember, but 1529 02:23:20.639 --> 02:23:26.360 come on it was a quantification with a limit to move from one category of 1530 02:23:26.520 --> 02:23:31.559 sin to another. That is why I insist that it is so important to 1531 02:23:31.600 --> 02:23:39.360 make that distinction between sin and sins. When the word sin is used in 1532 02:23:39.479 --> 02:23:48.639 today’ s world, the vast majority of people think of actions that at 1533 02:23:48.920 --> 02:23:58.120 one time were not considered acceptable in society and are now acceptable. And that 1534 02:23:58.239 --> 02:24:03.399 is why the one who uses the pla if we use it a little carelessly, 1535 02:24:03.479 --> 02:24:07.520 because they will point to us with the finger as people who are not 1536 02:24:07.520 --> 02:24:13.719 up to date, who live practically in the middle ages. But the reality 1537 02:24:13.799 --> 02:24:22.760 of sin is a reality of such great dimensions and so evident, so evident 1538 02:24:22.600 --> 02:24:30.360 that no one can deny that reality, that it is the great protagonist behind 1539 02:24:30.440 --> 02:24:37.959 all the crimes scams, all the evils that occur in humanity, in the 1540 02:24:39.639 --> 02:24:43.920 form of wars, massacres, in the form of frauds of deception, in 1541 02:24:45.200 --> 02:24:54.319 short, of man' s struggle for man. Understand, then, the 1542 02:24:54.399 --> 02:25:00.040 law of the jungle and the struggle of the strongest to crush the weakest is 1543 02:25:00.360 --> 02:25:05.040 an absolutely verifiable reality, a reality that is there and that is why of 1544 02:25:05.159 --> 02:25:13.120 course every student of morals and ethics meets this reality that then, in some 1545 02:25:13.120 --> 02:25:20.680 concrete facts, in some materializations, because effectively, in the evolution of society, 1546 02:25:22.319 --> 02:25:31.159 can become out of date as authentic sins. And that' s what 1547 02:25:31.239 --> 02:25:39.440 also makes some people talk about gross sins, like realities of universal dimension that 1548 02:25:39.959 --> 02:25:45.760 occur wherever man lives in society and in dealing with other men, a reality 1549 02:25:45.840 --> 02:25:50.040 that cannot be denied and that I believe the sacred scriptures the Bible is the 1550 02:25:52.200 --> 02:25:58.719 one that tells us most clearly what the origin is, where the reality of 1551 02:25:58.799 --> 02:26:03.399 sin comes from, how it originates, what are the sufferings and problems it 1552 02:26:03.479 --> 02:26:15.840 brings upon humanity. Sure, because the diagnosis comes to be. Let' 1553 02:26:15.879 --> 02:26:18.760 s call him this is like someone has cancer, we could call him a 1554 02:26:20.000 --> 02:26:28.719 me know a tare or an organic accident. We' d call it something 1555 02:26:28.719 --> 02:26:33.879 else. But if corrosive cancer and unstoppable cancer, a virulent cancer, as 1556 02:26:33.879 --> 02:26:39.000 it is a crushing cancer that advances in the body and destroys it, then 1557 02:26:39.440 --> 02:26:46.520 it is called cancer. Now we can give you the name we want to 1558 02:26:46.600 --> 02:26:50.399 soften the idea, evade it, excuse it, justify it, or mask 1559 02:26:50.399 --> 02:26:54.200 it. But that' s why I ask you and I think that to 1560 02:26:54.280 --> 02:26:58.159 be answering Joachim very well to this, from the divine point of view, 1561 02:26:58.719 --> 02:27:01.159 what is sin and what are its advice, what is sin in reality, 1562 02:27:01.280 --> 02:27:09.520 from the point of view of God, clear according to the sacred scripture and 1563 02:27:09.840 --> 02:27:15.239 starting from the most ancient texts, from the sacred scriptures, which are the 1564 02:27:15.360 --> 02:27:22.239 ones that many today try to avoid, do not want to refer to them 1565 02:27:22.319 --> 02:27:28.120 because it seems to them that it is something mythical, it is something windological, 1566 02:27:28.120 --> 02:27:31.319 it is something distant from the current thought. But in the sacred scripture 1567 02:27:33.440 --> 02:27:41.879 it is very clearly presented to us that the beginning of sin in man is 1568 02:27:41.959 --> 02:27:46.319 simply the act of disobedience to God. That is why the sacred scripture of 1569 02:27:46.360 --> 02:27:50.799 the Bible tells us that all that is not faith is sin. It does 1570 02:27:50.920 --> 02:27:56.799 not say a sin of that sin all that is not clear. Here too, 1571 02:27:56.040 --> 02:28:03.719 we must define faith, faith as that trust with security, trusting God, 1572 02:28:05.280 --> 02:28:13.319 in his word, in his teaching. And when we stop trusting God, 1573 02:28:13.600 --> 02:28:20.280 we stop depositing the bond in the guarantor, because we find a great 1574 02:28:20.479 --> 02:28:31.159 void. Let' s try to justify our actions, let' s go 1575 02:28:31.239 --> 02:28:37.079 through different ways, let' s think we' re wiser than God. 1576 02:28:37.639 --> 02:28:43.159 We will ascribe to God the ungodly belief that in his commandments they are so 1577 02:28:43.680 --> 02:28:48.040 that our life may be sad, that we may not be happy and clear, 1578 02:28:48.399 --> 02:28:52.399 man in his old nature, for he cannot see God' s commandments 1579 02:28:52.680 --> 02:29:00.799 as delights, He cannot see us as something magnificent good that God has for 1580 02:29:01.360 --> 02:29:07.239 us and will ascribe to God. I insist that we think that God is 1581 02:29:07.399 --> 02:29:13.719 going to throw off the spoils and that his commandments are to keep us from 1582 02:29:13.719 --> 02:29:18.879 being happy. As long as man does not have that encounter with the Lord, 1583 02:29:20.399 --> 02:29:26.319 that transforming encounter that takes place through the person, Jesus Christ, Jesus, 1584 02:29:26.639 --> 02:29:31.600 Nazareth. For as long as there is no such encounter and no such 1585 02:29:31.719 --> 02:29:37.239 change, that new nature, we cannot see God' s commandments as delights. 1586 02:29:37.799 --> 02:29:41.600 And that is why the Bible tells us that all that is not of 1587 02:29:41.719 --> 02:29:48.360 Fey is sin, that is, by not trusting God, we then fall 1588 02:29:48.360 --> 02:30:01.360 into that position that makes us think that we know better than God. And 1589 02:30:01.479 --> 02:30:07.600 that' s how God gets out of date. The Ten Commandments are becoming 1590 02:30:07.920 --> 02:30:13.360 obsolete. What man does before the clear reality of sin which he does not 1591 02:30:13.479 --> 02:30:20.239 call sin, he will seek a euphemism and write treatises of morality and ethics 1592 02:30:20.719 --> 02:30:30.040 that are magnificent, but are simply impossible. Man can' t live up 1593 02:30:30.159 --> 02:30:35.639 to that. He needs the intervention of God, He needs the grace of 1594 02:30:35.639 --> 02:30:45.520 God. We need that encounter with Jesus Christ so that forgiveness of God’ 1595 02:30:45.719 --> 02:30:48.879 s commandments will cease to be those heavy burdens. That is why the Bible 1596 02:30:48.959 --> 02:30:58.120 tells us that sin is a breach of God’ s law of forgiveness. 1597 02:30:58.079 --> 02:31:03.959 The word sinned in the Hebrew original of the Bible. Well, there are 1598 02:31:05.040 --> 02:31:09.399 several words. Let' s see two of them very briefly. The first 1599 02:31:09.840 --> 02:31:15.680 is the word hata. The word jata fixed, which is the cry of 1600 02:31:15.799 --> 02:31:22.639 the archer when he throws his arrow and does not reach the target, does 1601 02:31:22.639 --> 02:31:26.520 not reach the target, because either he falls short, the shot or passes 1602 02:31:26.879 --> 02:31:31.959 over, is a long shot or deviates by the wind, for any reason, 1603 02:31:33.120 --> 02:31:37.000 to one side or another. And that word is, therefore, error, 1604 02:31:37.239 --> 02:31:43.120 error, error, error, sin of error. And it' s 1605 02:31:43.200 --> 02:31:56.280 normal that the man Jerry, the ancient theologians said human error is persevering diabolical, 1606 02:31:56.040 --> 02:32:00.399 that is to say to err is human. What is of the devil 1607 02:32:00.520 --> 02:32:05.760 is persevering, continuing in that error and not wanting to rectify, not wanting 1608 02:32:05.000 --> 02:32:09.639 to turn us around, which is what it means to repent, to turn 1609 02:32:09.639 --> 02:32:13.719 around. And then it' s a word for sin, which is the 1610 02:32:13.120 --> 02:32:18.559 word meat. So with a v an hour and a n meat, it 1611 02:32:20.079 --> 02:32:26.360 comes from a root which is that it means to put on a rope, 1612 02:32:26.159 --> 02:32:33.159 braid it and braid it, twist it and twist it until finally it cracks. 1613 02:32:33.879 --> 02:32:41.840 It is a sin of perseverance, of insistence on disobedience that brings naturally 1614 02:32:41.920 --> 02:32:52.399 its consequence. When we have this vision of the reality of sin, we 1615 02:32:52.639 --> 02:33:01.000 can then understand that what sin produces is what we say vulgarly or religiously for 1616 02:33:01.159 --> 02:33:05.680 centuries have been called sins and man has then fallen into the trap of classifying 1617 02:33:05.799 --> 02:33:13.440 them, making a sort of a systematic of sin and how times change, 1618 02:33:13.959 --> 02:33:18.920 customs, change situations, change prevailing conditions, change people clearly before ancient definitions 1619 02:33:18.399 --> 02:33:28.920 of these classifications of sin, for you can even produce them I tell you 1620 02:33:30.159 --> 02:33:35.920 at least the smile that produces that ninety- nine pesetas was Danial sin and 1621 02:33:35.040 --> 02:33:48.000 fempre was mortal sin. Yes, what interesting reflections, Joaquin. Really good. 1622 02:33:48.040 --> 02:33:50.719 Which we have talked about some of them. What are the most popular 1623 02:33:50.799 --> 02:33:54.040 topics about sin? For example, I can think of one for you suddenly 1624 02:33:54.159 --> 02:34:00.600 that is very popular. No one is perfect, really, like we apologize, 1625 02:34:01.200 --> 02:34:07.200 well, of course, it doesn' t mean we have to self 1626 02:34:07.120 --> 02:34:09.239 - flagellate, but we apologize for our defective humanity. I mean, nobody 1627 02:34:09.319 --> 02:34:13.639 ' s perfect, well, but we' d have to go deeper. 1628 02:34:13.959 --> 02:34:18.639 Popular topics about sin. Yes, of course, by saying that no one 1629 02:34:18.639 --> 02:34:22.479 is perfect, we are saying a great reality. What happens is that, 1630 02:34:22.600 --> 02:34:28.120 even clear the concept of perfection, we would also have to analyze it a 1631 02:34:28.799 --> 02:34:39.520 little bit in the field of the physical, because imagine the perfection, the 1632 02:34:41.079 --> 02:34:46.680 perfection of a woman at a certain moment in history, is to resemble the 1633 02:34:46.799 --> 02:34:52.920 women who Rubens paints at this moment, because by the pendular movement, it 1634 02:34:54.040 --> 02:34:58.319 seems that perfection is in being a barbie. And of course, it turns 1635 02:34:58.799 --> 02:35:03.399 out that the women of appearance in the paintings of Reubens, because they had 1636 02:35:03.479 --> 02:35:07.639 to be very sick, true, very, very, very sick. But 1637 02:35:07.760 --> 02:35:13.120 it is that at the other end of the movement, of the pendulum also 1638 02:35:13.319 --> 02:35:16.959 the one that chooses to look like a barbie, because there are also in 1639 02:35:18.000 --> 02:35:22.760 sickness the concepts of perfection in the aesthetic sense, because they have changed and 1640 02:35:22.760 --> 02:35:28.639 will continue to change. When in the Bible we read that text in which 1641 02:35:28.799 --> 02:35:33.760 God asks us to be perfect, as the Lord is perfect. Sure, 1642 02:35:33.959 --> 02:35:41.280 that word translated perfect. If it is not nuanced, we will misunderstand it, 1643 02:35:41.959 --> 02:35:46.000 because there the original word, in the original language of the Bible, 1644 02:35:46.319 --> 02:35:54.440 speaks of a type of perfection that is not exactly what is most commonly understood 1645 02:35:54.559 --> 02:36:00.639 today by perfection. The original word is whole, that is, what God 1646 02:36:00.639 --> 02:36:05.200 calls perfection is integrity, and it is far more complete for a man who 1647 02:36:05.239 --> 02:36:11.680 recognizes his sin, his imperfection, than he who conceals and covers and denies 1648 02:36:11.920 --> 02:36:20.840 his sin, his imperfection. And already with this easy understanding of things, 1649 02:36:20.079 --> 02:36:24.159 we realize that our concept of perfection has nothing to do with what the Lord 1650 02:36:24.280 --> 02:36:28.600 Truth says in the scripture itself we are told that of course, if we 1651 02:36:28.680 --> 02:36:35.680 looked at our sins, if we were always contemplating our sins, fallen faults, 1652 02:36:35.840 --> 02:36:43.360 imperfections, for who could be saved. Obviously, that exclamative question demands 1653 02:36:43.639 --> 02:36:50.120 an answer that is a resounding, absolutely resounding one. Now it is true 1654 02:36:50.280 --> 02:36:54.159 that when you hear that expression good man, no one is perfect. It 1655 02:36:54.239 --> 02:37:01.319 is not being used in this sense, but looking for a self- exculpation, 1656 02:37:01.559 --> 02:37:07.040 a way of saying good, because I have not made mistakes and mistakes. 1657 02:37:07.399 --> 02:37:09.719 And well, as everyone does, because I' m so happy with 1658 02:37:09.840 --> 02:37:13.399 mine and I' m not willing to rectify it, I' m not 1659 02:37:13.680 --> 02:37:18.159 willing to turn around. And that is where the reality of sin begins. 1660 02:37:18.360 --> 02:37:24.639 In this case, yes, well, the subject we would not like to 1661 02:37:24.719 --> 02:37:28.600 prolong much more for the interest it contains in its pure essence. We' 1662 02:37:30.319 --> 02:37:33.440 d have to talk and maybe we won' t. To come to a 1663 02:37:33.479 --> 02:37:37.520 question I want to ask you about the question about the Augustinian theology of original 1664 02:37:37.680 --> 02:37:45.799 sin and that, in any case, it could make us think that, 1665 02:37:46.200 --> 02:37:54.600 well, what is our fault if our Adamic federal head sinned We are not 1666 02:37:54.600 --> 02:37:58.440 morally responsible. That would have an explanation that we would have to develop. 1667 02:37:58.520 --> 02:38:01.200 But I like it very much that when the prophet and Seia is one of 1668 02:38:01.479 --> 02:38:07.520 the prophets who speak denouncing the sin of the time, the sin of the 1669 02:38:07.479 --> 02:38:15.440 people of God of the time, he says in one of the statements when 1670 02:38:15.479 --> 02:38:18.600 he speaks of this messianic writing. Everyone turned away in their own way. 1671 02:38:18.879 --> 02:38:24.040 Moreover, God bore in Jesus the sin of all of us. And that 1672 02:38:24.159 --> 02:38:28.559 each one turned away from his way that we are like strayed sheep, very 1673 02:38:28.600 --> 02:38:37.239 well defines the responsibility of each one. Truth, of course, of course, 1674 02:38:37.959 --> 02:38:41.920 thinking of Augustine' s theology, of course there is an indelible reality 1675 02:38:41.959 --> 02:38:48.040 and it is the fact that we sin because we are sinners, but because 1676 02:38:48.479 --> 02:38:54.079 we are sinners, we also teak and the great sin of man you just 1677 02:38:54.280 --> 02:38:58.520 said it in a language that is not philosophical, thanks to God, but 1678 02:38:58.040 --> 02:39:03.639 it is in biblical language, that it has no ap abstractions, that is 1679 02:39:03.639 --> 02:39:07.079 full of concretions. And here we are presented, therefore, the reality of 1680 02:39:07.440 --> 02:39:11.799 the way, the way as the direction of our life, our trajectory. 1681 02:39:13.920 --> 02:39:18.040 Each one goes his way, because the way of God is despised, is 1682 02:39:18.639 --> 02:39:26.639 despised, less valued, and in that scar each on our side, for 1683 02:39:26.639 --> 02:39:35.360 we will find many traps in the ways that we ourselves undertake, because it 1684 02:39:35.000 --> 02:39:45.200 is necessary to bear in mind that the evil one in which many today do 1685 02:39:45.319 --> 02:39:50.360 not want to believe, for he is an expert in falsifying everything that God 1686 02:39:50.440 --> 02:39:56.079 has done and everything that God has asked of us and in a very stealthy 1687 02:39:56.079 --> 02:40:07.719 way, he seeks to move God out of our life in man in those 1688 02:40:07.840 --> 02:40:13.079 ways that the prophet says, each one undertaken and has gone astray, for 1689 02:40:13.440 --> 02:40:18.440 he does not find the way back now. It' s something because on 1690 02:40:18.440 --> 02:40:22.959 every road, there' s definitely a point of no return. As the 1691 02:40:24.520 --> 02:40:28.479 pilots say in aviation when they talk about the point of no return, they 1692 02:40:28.559 --> 02:40:33.760 have consumed more than half of the combustible and have traveled more than half of 1693 02:40:33.840 --> 02:40:35.600 the project and now they can no longer return. They can' t go 1694 02:40:35.680 --> 02:40:39.520 back to the point of origin because they won' t get there and we 1695 02:40:39.520 --> 02:40:45.200 have to move on. And of course, that is the unbridled race of 1696 02:40:45.360 --> 02:40:52.200 society in which we see that they do not believe that there is a chance 1697 02:40:52.319 --> 02:40:58.719 to return to that point where the separation took place and each one embarked on 1698 02:40:58.719 --> 02:41:01.479 his way. And that' s a mistake. That is the great deception 1699 02:41:03.040 --> 02:41:07.479 of the evil one, the great deception of satan and other rebukes, for 1700 02:41:07.600 --> 02:41:11.719 God, in his mercy, allows every man, man, man and woman, 1701 02:41:13.000 --> 02:41:18.639 of course, at any moment in his life, at any moment, 1702 02:41:18.120 --> 02:41:22.319 to turn around. That is, here there is no point without return and 1703 02:41:22.399 --> 02:41:26.920 there are no points without return, because God, in his mercy, is 1704 02:41:26.920 --> 02:41:31.840 always waiting for us to turn around, which is what it means to truly 1705 02:41:33.159 --> 02:41:39.040 repent, to turn around, to meet the God who receives, who welcomes, 1706 02:41:39.920 --> 02:41:46.040 who forgives, who cleans and who puts us a new nature, a 1707 02:41:46.200 --> 02:41:50.479 new vision, to be able to contemplate life in another way, to be 1708 02:41:50.520 --> 02:41:54.559 able to understand what otherwise cannot be understood, and to see that the will 1709 02:41:54.639 --> 02:41:58.520 of God, if you want to call them and the will of God or 1710 02:41:58.600 --> 02:42:05.239 call them the bossess let us call them. In short, what he has 1711 02:42:05.399 --> 02:42:11.879 for us is something that, from that moment on, from the moment we 1712 02:42:11.959 --> 02:42:16.840 turn around on that unbridled path, becomes something that we long for, that 1713 02:42:18.079 --> 02:42:22.879 we desire and that the grace of God, that loving favor always undeserved on 1714 02:42:24.879 --> 02:42:33.440 our part, will enable us to walk in that new life. That' 1715 02:42:33.040 --> 02:42:37.959 s definitely the way it is, Joachim, we' re talking about sin. 1716 02:42:37.159 --> 02:42:43.600 It is a moral problem, deeply spiritual, that affects all the orders 1717 02:42:43.639 --> 02:42:46.360 of human life and that we see it, we can give it the name 1718 02:42:46.440 --> 02:42:52.120 we want. But the problem is still what it is. It is the 1719 02:42:52.239 --> 02:42:56.360 problem of the bad world, of the evil that is born in the human 1720 02:42:56.799 --> 02:43:01.280 heart, and that materializes in concrete actions that have a million different names. 1721 02:43:01.200 --> 02:43:05.280 How the problem of sin, personal sin, and sin in the world can 1722 02:43:05.360 --> 02:43:09.280 be solved. What is the solution to the great problem of human sin, 1723 02:43:13.879 --> 02:43:22.399 because we have to remember all those who have surely learned it or in childhood 1724 02:43:22.600 --> 02:43:26.719 or have learned it, and we have to even remind the Church of Jesus 1725 02:43:26.799 --> 02:43:31.879 Christ itself, of which we are part of the church with all the other 1726 02:43:31.959 --> 02:43:39.000 family surnames that can be given. Jesus Christ did not come to look above 1727 02:43:39.120 --> 02:43:43.600 sin, to look in another direction or to justify sin, but he came 1728 02:43:43.600 --> 02:43:50.520 as a lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. 1729 02:43:52.440 --> 02:43:58.399 So this is very important today sadly, in many Christian circles. You know 1730 02:43:58.479 --> 02:44:03.280 that perfectly well and many of our listeners know it and some have suffered and 1731 02:44:03.360 --> 02:44:07.920 suffer it. Cheap grace is being preached. A gospel is being preached to 1732 02:44:09.000 --> 02:44:16.799 give many palms, to sing much and little more. A grace is being 1733 02:44:16.959 --> 02:44:24.600 taught which is a justification of sin. There is no justification for sin. 1734 02:44:24.440 --> 02:44:31.239 We can read the Bible back and forth and we can review every text and 1735 02:44:31.840 --> 02:44:41.239 we will never find anything to indicate the justification of sin. Those who are 1736 02:44:41.360 --> 02:44:50.760 justified by the grace and mercy of God are sinners. And God’ s 1737 02:44:50.920 --> 02:45:00.879 justification for us is very distorted in our day. Very distorted because they are 1738 02:45:01.239 --> 02:45:09.319 very much ignoring that justification by faith is not the stoppage Justification by the faith 1739 02:45:09.399 --> 02:45:16.840 of Christ is not to cover sin, but to uproot it from our life. 1740 02:45:18.040 --> 02:45:20.239 Jesus is the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. 1741 02:45:22.120 --> 02:45:26.920 There is a text in the new Testament, perhaps unread, that says 1742 02:45:26.120 --> 02:45:31.159 the one who is powerful to keep us from falling. Then, when in 1743 02:45:31.200 --> 02:45:39.200 Christian circles. Sin is constantly being justified by that phrase of good. Nobody 1744 02:45:39.280 --> 02:45:46.399 ' s perfect. Sadly we also hear it within Christian circles. Indeed perfect. 1745 02:45:46.479 --> 02:45:52.120 We are not in the aesthetic sense, but the Lord has put us 1746 02:45:52.200 --> 02:45:56.479 on a path of perfection. He wants to perfect us. And to perfect 1747 02:45:56.680 --> 02:46:03.799 ourselves is to fill ourselves with his holy spirit, to fill us with his 1748 02:46:05.000 --> 02:46:09.079 love, to show us the blessing of his commandments, his precepts, and 1749 02:46:09.079 --> 02:46:15.360 his secrets. Naturally, that we will not be justified by God for walking 1750 02:46:15.920 --> 02:46:20.559 that good way, but are justified by the faith of Christ that is imputed 1751 02:46:20.680 --> 02:46:28.959 to us, is attributed to us and in this way we can undertake that 1752 02:46:28.959 --> 02:46:33.920 path, we can live in another way. It is the Lord who provides 1753 02:46:35.479 --> 02:46:43.760 a great deal of means for us to overcome sin. We are told that 1754 02:46:43.840 --> 02:46:48.440 we are far from the whole armor of truth, because sin has its origin 1755 02:46:48.520 --> 02:46:54.120 in lies and envy, in pride, that we are ready from the height 1756 02:46:54.200 --> 02:46:58.760 of righteousness, the righteousness of the Lord, that we take up the shield 1757 02:46:58.920 --> 02:47:03.399 of faith, that we put on our head, the helmet of salvation, 1758 02:47:03.600 --> 02:47:09.479 that we may tread our feet with the Gospel of peace. Sometimes we think 1759 02:47:09.920 --> 02:47:15.760 in many Christian circles wrongly that the Gospel is for others. The Gospel is 1760 02:47:15.879 --> 02:47:20.319 first for us, because no one can give what he does not have, 1761 02:47:20.600 --> 02:47:24.520 and that we take the sword of the spirit, which is the word of 1762 02:47:24.639 --> 02:47:31.319 God with which we will be able to put an end to all obstructions and 1763 02:47:31.719 --> 02:47:37.280 all the entanglements of sin and on that road by which we win the victory 1764 02:47:37.360 --> 02:47:41.079 over sin in our lives. And the merits of that victory, of course, 1765 02:47:41.719 --> 02:47:48.000 are only unique and exclusively of our Lord Jesus Christ, on that Cross 1766 02:47:48.079 --> 02:47:54.600 of Calvary, where he bore our sin and where he replaced us with love 1767 02:47:54.920 --> 02:47:56.360 and where he shed his blood, which is the one that cleanses us from 1768 02:47:56.360 --> 02:48:03.680 sin. There he is, finally, taking the question away, because dear 1769 02:48:05.040 --> 02:48:07.760 friend Joaquin, Joaquin, thank you. It is the sin of a religious 1770 02:48:07.760 --> 02:48:13.959 lie. I believe it has become clear that for some it could become an 1771 02:48:13.000 --> 02:48:22.079 apparent religious lie, but it is a divine judgment on evil and there is 1772 02:48:22.159 --> 02:48:28.639 also a divine solution to this problem of sin. And it is Jesus Christ, 1773 02:48:28.000 --> 02:48:33.200 the son of God and his death, his death on the cross is 1774 02:48:33.159 --> 02:48:39.680 a saving death that saves us and makes us new people. Dear Joaquin, 1775 02:48:39.719 --> 02:48:45.040 it has been a pleasure to hear for me a joy also great and a 1776 02:48:45.200 --> 02:48:50.760 pleasure to hear you Julio, to congratulate you on your wonderful radio, for 1777 02:48:52.360 --> 02:48:54.680 your ministry and for the friendship that unites us. Thank you, dear friend, 1778 02:48:56.040 --> 02:48:58.479 a very affectionate hug, Joaquin, so long. See you all the 1779 02:48:58.479 --> 02:49:20.079 time. If you want to visit our Www website. The life train of 1780 02:49:20.159 --> 02:49:39.879 the evangelical churches, a place of peace and friendship, you can freely attend 1781 02:49:39.959 --> 02:49:46.280 the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or your population. You' ll be 1782 02:49:46.879 --> 02:49:46.280 very welcome.