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and how to deal with the issue of pornography, a subject of rabid current
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that is sick with sex addiction and this distortion of the hypersexualization we are living
in. So, this is a topic to talk about and to speak it
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dealing with the issue of pornography, which is a social pandemic. Look outside
in the secular world, but within the Christian churches themselves, I no longer
say evangelical, Catholic, interfaith. This has become a real pandemic that needs
to be tackled because it destroys. It' s totally self- destructive and
we' ll talk to him about how to overcome pornography addiction. But there
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life with David Perez, welcome, David, thank you very much, thank
you for taking time. I know you' ve got your schedule too.
Uh, I don' t know, it' s a pleasure to have
you come from there from your town. I don' t care Cardedeu the
pretty cart de deusi Well, let' s talk about a topic, the
issue of addiction to pornography. It' s a plague, it' s
a social pandemic that right now. I' m going to question him He
' s already given a vine on this subject. Pornography addiction is defined as
a compulsive and continuous consumption of pornographic material that negatively affects a person' s
life because it interferes with his or her personal, family and even work life.
It' s a very brief definition. There is much more to be
said about this and there are families who suffer from it and there are communities
or individuals who suffer from it and feel like a kind of prison that they
don' t know well. In fact, some have come to despair with
this issue as well and have committed madness. David, the addiction to pornography
is so broad. Before you talk about it, because I have heard you
at conferences and I see you on the forums and now Protestant Diffitial forms a
magnificent interview that is there and then they demand you for forums and conferences and
churches as well, but in public places and in the media and the truth
that we love, as you know what I like about the technical and familiar
question of the matter, but also with that dose of spirituality, that is
what sometimes they miss without exaggerating, it is as if they throw a lot
of room to the food or too much sugar sweets in the brain, then
it is lost, but when you know to season it with one thing and
more, in our case, in our field. But where does your interest
in working in depth with the issue of sex addiction come from in such a
perverted way as pornography? Where is it coming from? It comes from my
personal experience, from having overcome an addiction, but it comes from above also
because I did not overcome it, but Jesus freed me. And a little
later, Jesus himself called me to do it. So it wasn' t
my illusion to do it, nor was it a subject that interested me,
because, having been addicted eleven years, he doesn' t want to know
anything about that world. But God called me back and from there came an
experience of liberation and a call and what he hears. This is characteristic in
many cases of someone who has been on it and that when he says well,
Mr Ahabó, I no longer want to know about this. I'
m fine, and let someone else do it. And so it happened to
me also with a community that we opened up of drug rehabilitation in the eighties
and I came from that environment of the rabal And such and I told them
Lord I don' t want to know anything about that. It' s
good. It got me into it not and we were practically ten years almost
and then we gave it to him to rhyme. But, well, there
are people who came out cured. Among them a Juan Pasquina, who has
a well- known center of the room, but means you see the benefit
of because you have as a vaccine effect. When the one who has experienced
it and teaches it, but also you teach it in a very didactic way,
very well informed, then the idea is born from there, from that
is his experience. Yeah, yeah, he gets out of there. It
doesn' t mean that everyone who suffers from addiction then has to help others.
I don' t think it' s something that applies to everyone,
but when you' ve lived in your flesh and the person you talk to
knows you' ve lived it. There is much more trust, there is
much more empathy and also someone from outside is helping you out. Therefore,
it gives you hope that you can get out. Or he' s talking
to the guy last week that he was telling me, but of course,
you' re telling me, but you can really get out of here and
I don' t see it in you, but I can' t imagine
I don' t have a person who' s the example of getting out.
With Jesus helps very clearly, there are tools, therapeutic treatments, psychotherapeutics,
guidelines that is good, something that is available also, but that does
not always give the desired result, no, unfortunately, but good in some
cases, yes, in others no, because, for example, But what
is addiction to pornography? How would you define it as an addiction to pornography?
I' d say it' s addiction to sick behavior and slavery to
get a dose of tiny dopamine and have orgasms with this mixture of chemicals in
the brain, which is explosive. So it' s not so much that
I get hooked on pornography, but that my brain produces such a lot of
chemicals that, in the end, I just want that and everything gets numb
from another kind of pleasure, this kind of life. And you can only
get that, because it' s only within reach of the toughest drugs that
the brain produces with pornography. And besides, you, when you' re
masturbating by watching it, you' re creating a bond with what you'
re seeing, so you' re physically, spiritually, neuronally hooked, even
a high of hormones that nothing in the real world can compare to, of
course, because clearly, pornography is one, it' s an supra-
reality that doesn' t even happen in sexual intercourse. Well, we don
' t talk about using wild compulsive sex masochism that that' s sporadic cases
and that also reveal a dysfunction in sexual intercourse. But it' s such
a brutal distortion of sexuality that, of course, it creates addiction. No
yes, that is what is called a super abnormal stimulus, which is an
exaggerated version of something that already happens in something that is present in real life.
For example, when we see a McDonald' s ad that' s
food, but there' s the adulterated image and it' s bright and
smoke comes out and it' s playful and it' s a lot of
version. Doesn' t look like the burger you take, but your brain
is saying yes, yes, yes, yes? I want that, yeah.
The truth that happens with people when they show them to you on screen
at that level of excitement they end up attracting you more than real people do.
I remember when I was young, I met Jesus at the age of
eighteen, but as much as I had been able to see were magazines in
those years, no, and obviously you were there. He wasn' t
addicted to this, much less sexually promiscuous, but he wasn' t addicted
to this. But I found it very beast, very wild yet and not
being a believer with Christian values. I didn' t think it was very
wild, because they were tickling what it is now, what it is now
look at. It' s just that already, well, I haven'
t seen it because but I received an important and I don' t feel
like knowing either, because there are so many people in all social settings that
good that social appearance and such seems normalized, but that they are addicted to
sex and about compulsive sexual relations. That' s, that' s a
disease. No, but this is I say, it has become the whole
hillbilly say because it is not only men who have a more or compulsive bestiality.
It' s also women. True, yes, there are more and
more women who since young people are getting pornography because, even if it is
sexual content, it is the excitement that produces it is the pleasure that the
brain produces that engages you more than the images. In fact, addicts confess
to you. I' ve been seeing things I don' t even like.
That doesn' t appeal to me if I use my mind. This
is not logical, I don' t like it, but my brain asks
for more and more. It' s the same with women. More and
more outside and inside the church are consuming pornography. There, too, pornography
in all areas, but also in homosexuals, but of all kinds. Sure,
hopefully everything you can imagine has a porn genre Yes, yes, yes,
so of course now it seems that the government wants very much I say
a little LII with this kind of folder of the law exactly did not go
deep. I think he' s the scribe minister. I don' t
know if he' s proposing this issue. How about one of those is
like almost nothing. I don' t think it' s a good sign
that society, titles. Therefore, society is beginning to see that, at
least for children, the consumption of pornography is something that must be avoided.
So, to me it' s already great, great news. Five years
ago we wouldn' t be talking about this. What happens to me is
that yes, well, besides it' s technically very complicated, very complicated
to control that there' s the notion that for adults watching good pornography or
a healthy dose of pornography is totally sustainable. And for me there' s
the mistake. We adults have to understand that it' s not doing us
any good, plus disturbing us with pornography. Of course, in no case,
because then pornography creates, I would say dysfunctional pathology. Right questions how
to understand, for example, when you see a woman as a sexual object.
Purely from there sexual assaults are also in many cases motivated by the influence
of sex addiction, the perversion of the idea. Of course, the most
important sexual organ is the brain. And when from the age of ten you
are seeing hard sex and learning to have orgasms and to connect neuronally with those
images and those actions, the sex that you can have an intimate relationship of
respect does not meet those expectations, because it does not give the same high.
So there are many people who are forced to try other things or ask
for other things to have the same level of excitement or even introduce videos,
because if I can' t reach orgasm, because I have to masturbate,
I can have sex with my wife without pornography. There are people who say
good. I occasionally see pornography or such or couples who even use pornography to
get more excited and in sexual intercourse, because they think they don' t
give much of themselves or they' re out there frigidity or whatever it was.
And then that emulation, that, that' s it. I think
that' s the wrong one. Not good. It' s bringing other
people to your marriage bed, it' s opening your bedroom door, introducing
strangers who are fornicating or aching. There' s nothing positive about that for
me, plus if you talk to addict wives, because yes, it'
s true that there are women, but every time there are, there are
always more men. Wives are usually humiliated by comparison to people who see on
the screen and those who excite their husband. Then they quickly feel betrayed and
inward about what their husband is used to masturbating. See Hey really what it
said that the social appearance of so many good people, but that being hooked
is a plague in the social sphere at a general level. Well people are
saying I am a pornographer, but they are there is a fact that being
and within the Christian realm of all confessions professed a faith that seems to have
values to guard itself from sexual disorder, but there are also quite serious problems.
In fact, what we see is that the numbers of society as a
whole are not very different from those of the Church. It is something in
which the Church has adopted the culture, the way of being of the world,
and we are seeing numbers never surprising, but it is of all men
and women. Four out of ten are usually watching porn. Men in three
are seeing him weekly in leadership. There is the same more than one in
three leaders in the Church are with tremendous porn. Almost half. They saw
before the age of twelve and we saw a claim that was that one in
three Christians. It is true that the vast majority answered evangelicals, but one
in three Christians admit that they tried to stop consuming porn and not have succeeded
in it. This is, this is scary. It' s good,
first for those who suffer from it, themselves and their partners when they'
re couples. And there' s an impact on the family for the children.
Of course it is this inheritance for the children, even if the first
- hand children know it. But there you are making a subjective transmission about
the family. In short, addiction through sex pornography is a total human disaster.
It is a frontal attack on the most sacred and most nuclear institution in
society, which is marriage and the family. It is a frontal attack directed
from the dark to destroy people and their families and it does. Besides,
if from common sense we say good. But this, besides, isn'
t this real? This isn' t real? This isn' t real?
Isn' t that real? But if I want to subdue you to
that to stimulate and go the same way, either you' re a lava
fool or you get caught and in the end you' re stuck in the
reg or you' ve grown up before having the first kiss you' ve
seen a gang rape on a screen and you' ve gotten excited about it.
Then there' s no other way to look at this kind of savagery.
But, for example, how to know if you' re addicted to
watching pornography, what are the signs that might be for you? I'
m a porn addict. For example, there are things like this idea of
watching pornography, having sex with my right partner. Sometimes I' d rather
watch pornography than meet my partner or friends. I' m having a hard
time spending a whole day without watching pornography. I' ve been switching my
leisure to recreational activities for the consumption of pornography. The graphic porn content you
are looking for has to be more intense for more exciting. Not then,
these are all questions that are practically pathological. Not if you can stop to
see that I don' t know, I put my job at risk,
for example, because I' m consuming in my workplace or my school performance
is going down a lot, because I can only think about this. I
no longer stay with my friends but I would go a little further and I
would also think I see for not as long as I am sad or whenever
I am stressed, it is my place of refuge, even if it is
once every three months it doesn' t matter when I am alone that I
seek this pornography because it is a slavery and it is an idol, then
you go, when you are wrong, it is not only the frequency,
but it is to orbit around this false god which is pornography, it is
to know that when I am angry with my partner, that is where I
am going to go, when it is always there is the son as an
idol and creates slavery. The theme is that, slavery, not just editing,
slavery that you can' t make of yourself. And, moreover,
it is pernicious, because it distorts reality in every way, the reality of
sexual relationship in any case and it is but how pleasure works this in this
clear. There' s a gratification there. You have said before that one
seeks self- gratification through pornography, but how does that sense of pleasure and
expert work. But they' re talking about neurotransmitters, which are the hormones
the brain produces. When neurons are joined together, they connect with each other
and a chemical reaction occurs that creates pleasure. So, for example, if
I am always together an orgasm with a woman naked better naked, these two
neurons thanks to dopamine, they connect, then, every time I see that,
I will feel that need to masturbate more and more until they develop,
get used to and stop having so much sensitivity to neurons, because they can
' t manage so much pleasure and then you have to look more extreme so
that again you have the same feeling. It' s all in the Olympic
system of the brain. It is the most animal part God designed to benefit
us, because, for example, when a woman is nursing babies, the
two people are having success in their brain, which is the hormone of bonding,
of attachment to well- being, because the survival of one depends on
the other. That' s God' s designs. The brain that like
rewards us things that are good for us, but pornography, like the other
drugs, comes to destroy this natural and divine level of rewards. They are
treats that the brain gives, but at a much higher level. It'
s the same thing with tiktok and it' s a very descriptive way of
begging and very didactic, and how you can get clear pornography. One makes
an incursion into pornography and I' ve already looked around and I' m
leaving like that, but how can it become addiction in that, because almost
this is cheating. There are no different risk factors, but usually yes.
If it' s a child' s first quote sexual situation, this first
memory is going to stay there forever, because it' s the first.
The first time I, for example, were three brothers, the first time
I saw a naked woman' s body that wasn' t my mother.
It was with pornography. That, but how old you were, for example,
I was eleven when I was first. That' s why my amazement
is that children are a plague of children. Now how is that, because
they have mobile phones and tables all day in hand. But, but it
' s barbarous and clear. Already there is generated a distortion of that of
human sexuality and an addiction, a pathology, because a child, when he
sees it, feels at the same time, if I remember perfectly, he
feels at the same time disgusted as what this is and at the same time
fascination with the chemist and the chemicals of the brain. Then he doesn'
t know how to distinguish between one thing and the other. And he feels
the best shame, because this shouldn' t be seeing what this is.
But it happens. He has received such a dose that the brain is growing,
such a dose of pleasure that quickly asks him to see him again.
If there' s a person. It is usually the case of addictions that
end up developing, because there is a medicinal use of that. Then,
when someone is in a broken family or has emotional deficiencies of some kind,
they are more at risk of resorting to pornography in a medicinal way. In
the end, we' re all wrong and we' re all in trouble.
And when the porn is erected as a momentary solution, very momentary of
these pleases these problems, there is the risk of getting hooked, because every
time I' m like this I' m going to go. There you
have to see the things that if they explain them to us in this didactic
way, because we understand them superficially. I' m not a porn addict.
Not from what point one can say I have a problem. I tried
to leave him. I can' t, I can' t have orgasms
without imagining or remembering these images that I' ve seen almost catch me when
you have the feeling of having to clean your history and have situations of maximum
adrenaline risk, because I consumed in places, in very inappropriate situations. When
you see that it dominates you, it' s something you can' t
stop doing. It' s a sample if you' re thinking about it
like this I' m addicted or not waiting for a week without seeing and
without masturbating, because when you masturbate, having seen pornography, you' re
remembering those images, because try it to see how your body reacts, because
there really is withdrawal syndrome tremors sweat. You can only think about that.
If you have these signs, you would have to pose some of the most
complicated consequences of addiction to watching pornography, which can be separation from God,
shame, guilt and double life, in a double- life feeling of having
to gain in public what is dirty in intimacy. Jesus did not speak of
the secret place of the important. That' s where only the father sees
you. That' s where your character is shown and who you are.
But when you see for a faith, you don' t see it in
public. You can be a shepherd, for the leader of praise can give
things to others and seem like a very divine person, but it is if
in the secret of your room you are masturbating with prostitution. That destroyed your
life and destroyed your testimony as well as your family, because it' s
infidelity. Sure. In the end you see that faith and being Christians makes
no sense when I am a railing that I am involved here in this whole
affair an adulterer. I' m not telling you to fool me right there
and let you crawl in the stream. And or you don' t get
out of this, because there are people who chronicle the problem, create a
perpetuity of the problem and live with it. Yeah, my whole life is
my weakness, it' s my little problem. We all have our struggles.
Whoever is free of sin who throws the first stone, are excuses not
to want to face, that there are things inside you that are wrong and
that is why you use pornography and it is not to see it as adultery.
I think it also makes it very difficult to get out, I mean,
well to see I' m not going with anyone, I' m
alone with a screen. It' s my thing. But when you see
that you are hurting your husband or your wife, there you have to make
clear when you are not married and how you are damaging your own body.
Always, after all, the temple for Christians is the temple of the human
body. This may seem like a paradox, but it' s not,
it' s a wonderful reality. I' ve told you before. My
experience is that I knew Jesus at the age of eighteen and came from such
a complicated world. But I started to the real dogs that you have struggles
and blind and attacks to let you drag along the current. But when that
is somehow implanted the testimony of God, I do not find the genuine one
and you maintain that line. Mr Saves You keeps being and if for whatever.
You fell for this, because you can leave immediately. No, but
this is perverse because it denatures your right essence. It dehumanizes you. It
makes you a totally carnal person and nothing spiritual. No one can Gabriel bust
said you can' t see because you' re not right with God.
It' s impossible. It can be shown, but being well, being
in your spirit united with God, is separated from sin. You understand human.
But when I' m sinning and hitting and hitting, I' m
walking away. Of course, of course, it is true that God’
s grace is wonderful. But if we act and react and if not,
if there is no repentance, repentance, repentance stops everything right. Repentance is
what beats the brake rebon. I have said repentance even has judgment in the
case when you are not a believer, not the final judgment where every human
being who has not responded to God in time will pay, because God loves
us and notice what he has done for us in Christ. But repentance has
the judgment and because then it begins and in the Christian life repentance has to
be genuine. It' s true. But sometimes I ask myself people who
are so addicted, it' s not easy for them. That' s
why we' re going to see if we' re talking about the Christian
sphere, which we might say we could be simpler to talk about recovery,
because you in the secular realm talk about this. Well, yeah, now
they' re seeing it as a problem when they see it as a problem
because they' re creating some bestial pathologies, especially in children and others.
And that' s how the issue of pornography has been socialized. The pernicious
effects are being seen in a way that is already quite uncompromising. But in
the Christian sphere at least we say good, let' s be realistic.
This happens between us, who must make leaders or companions or mentors for people
who have this problem. We' ll talk about the off course that'
s very interesting. Ladies and gentlemen, take good note in a moment we
will give you all the indications that the course that is going to start firm
in September, but how we can help so many people. I, in
my pastoral care of the years, encounter this problem frequently in marriages, in
particular it is in all Indians then and how we can help. I think
the first thing is to be honest with yourself, because if we have a
third of the leaders who are consuming pornography, a blind man cannot lead another
blind man. Of course, they both fall into the hole then. What
I think first of all avoids which pastors can help is that they are in
this problem. So if you have, you have people who have this problem,
but you say well, they can' t bring it out, but
of course they need me to get out. You' re not going,
neither of you are going to come out then, of course, first examine
the heart and be willing to go through a recovery process and then I would
say learn about it. There is a lot if, like you there are
people in a generation that has not been born with this extreme Internet pornography.
Now I can read you about what it is. It can help a lot
to see that it' s not like, it' s not a degenerate
of is a person who has lost control of his mind. He cannot manage
to get compassion in that sense. But also firm as to whether you repent,
you can find life if there really is genuine repentance, not a woe
is that I have this, but I will do it again. You can
help people. I think we should also talk about it. There are many
people who ask for help and they think that no one in the Church can
help them because no one has talked about it, no one has put out
an application in pornography, no one has reached out. Everyone thinks he'
s the only one and looks at the numbers saying the opposite. It'
s hard to find someone who doesn' t, but everyone thinks they won
' t be able to talk to anyone about it. So, if you
mention it, you often go saying there are tools, you offer your hand
when you' re in a group of men, because you bring up the
subject or eating with someone, because it' s the porn that you think
you get out. Make it out of the dark to the light can help
you have this hand, but I understand that only someone who wants to come
out is going to come out. Someone you don' t, though much
as you face it, won' t come out because you have to admit
you' re upset. Clear stermal aid, possible helper or companion after.
But before that there would be something else we' re going to talk about.
Before you get to that, you have to be a person who,
of course, doesn' t have a problem with that, but we are.
It' s a beastly contradiction. Besides, I think it' s
stupid gender or we' re going and useless to do that. No,
but a treatment of addiction to pornography for how to stop watching and consuming pornography.
And that' s where it comes into action. Or, for example,
not how to perform a treatment, because this is a treatment, this
is not a place plash. No. No. In my case, the
release of pornography was immediate, but it took eight years to heal the root,
because porn is not the problem. Porn is a way to solve a
problem and in off what we have is a process along with someone from your
local leadership, in which it is a year of not only abstinence from masturbation
or pornography, but there is a deep work of the roots of this addiction.
There is an insectious search for the holy spirit and see what really happens
to me to get out of there. I don' t want to masturbate,
I don' t want to watch pornography. Go deeper. This is
basic, because if you sin you become hardened, but when you have stopped,
you have filtered it, it has done whatever it wants, then you
start because you have to say why I am seeing, because it is what
my soul seeks, heal, satiate, because it is a broken cistern.
Seek that slit, ask the spirit to show it and heal it. Then
external behavior is not necessary, because there is no such emotional or spiritual lack.
There are spiritual ties. We also need to go much further. Then,
when someone asks for help from on Off, they are assigned to a
fellow fighter who is going to walk with him, along with someone of their
local leadership in this process of seeing why I came here and find in intimacy
with God. The solution to everything wasn' t for her all my life,
she' s going around. What we say about Ennoff is that porn
tried to destroy us, but God is redeeming it to call us into intimacy
with him that we had never had before. This is what happened to me,
how beautiful and how true I totally subscribe to that. But the subject
of shame, because there are people who are in this are resigne and say
well, I am a bastard who or himself is the mental soliloquium. No,
yes, but I don' t know anything here anymore and the shame
of saying and that, to see it' s miserable when they know that
I' m a guy like that give it how and all this mental discourse
traps you, it sinks you more yes, then of course it' s
the feeling of shame to expose someone. That' s not why how to
create a climate of trust, because deep down, I think many of the
trapped, not all, but a few will think. I would have to
go out here, but I don' t know how and then how to
help someone who initially afterwards although has to undergo a process, because there has
been generated an evil, a very serious distortion, that has to be restored
or redeemed, as you have said, but that feeling of shame, of
feeling miserable, an unfortunate, irredeemable, how we can approach it. It
' s just that I think it' s good news to feel desperate and
without any help It' s me that saved me. I grew up in
the Church and thought I was saved, but pornography was my chance to realize
that I wasn' t one of those I was in but I wasn'
t from the Church, I wasn' t born again. Then I think
it' s good to get to that point. I can' t.
The question is if I want to, because if someone is so desperate that
he says oh this I die, then he' ll be able to confess
it to whoever he is. So you have to worry about wanting this space?
You have to worry about a vulnerability of a safe space, not in
public, not with a double life, but genuity. One by one opening
the space, because if someone is truly desperate they will ask for help.
The problem is that we give ourselves, take the grace of God, not
and say good to see how many more times I can fall until I play
with my salvation or harm the Holy Spirit. I' m going to look
for the limit and those people looking for the limit are not going out and
they' re not going to ask for help, because you' re always
alone. Like you said, it' s a good soliloquium, it'
s a dialogue with demons, I mean, I' m going to be
good this time. Yeah, well, when this crisis happens, when I
get married, you have your fight, but if you don' t die
at all, you can' t live. I' m done. Jesus,
how interesting this is the way out, of the redemption of a question
as catchy as the addiction to pornography, edict, sex, sex, but
wild and, moreover, totally dislocated this subject to talk to us a little
oz and as someone who wants to say hear, I don' t know
how, but of course it' s confidential, it' s private and
such, but I want you to get out of this or someone in the
family and we' re going to talk to you, or sometimes there are
couples who are also both hooked on the subject. Yeah, then, okay.
In any case, how to get in touch in order to get into
a course of this, because it takes how long the course lasts you refer
to the accompanying process. This is a one- year one- year process,
but in this year it may happen that there is a click at twenty
days. Then we follow up, but it is a year to focus on
this restoration of my soul. There is a button on our website that is
off just Love as just love or just love of chuost Love org. There
' s a red button that puts help. There you can write and you
get a link to the Whatsapp that we have as off and there you can
write, you can write on Instagram, which is arroba of just Love too
and there you can say hey. I need help getting out. No.
This isn' t gonna come out. No one' s sharing your data.
It' s confidential and you' re going to be assigned to a
person who' s going to be talking to you and explaining to you what,
what the whole process is and you decide if you want to take it.
You cannot write to Instagram or the web or whatsap directly that is there.
There' s a little button on the web. Hoz then on Instagram.
How it appears like this is arroba Off fair Lover George Love Vale well,
well there is this. They hear it firsthand. They' ve taken
note and if they don' t hear it again and again. It has
been repeated three or four times by David and anyone of us will put it
in it we will also upload the link to our wall so that people can
make it visible and can derive it to the direct information, because to begin,
for example, there is an initial course in September. The thing that
' s gonna start in September. It is a course we take every month
and a half two months with the infa, which is for leadership, is
for people who want to help others. This is what we say tools to
understand, restore and prevent panography, because we need this in the leaders,
to have that formation, because it is a pastoral in the cure of souls
and in all this is a very frequent problem to be found in different versions.
Yes, there are more and more tools, more books and there are
things, but we have compiled from different authors friends of the Ministry, a
basic guide to enter this world. And there is also the possibility that you
call us and say you can come to my denomination or my church with the
counseling group and make us a whole morning to get into the subject. Those
workshops also make them right. Yes with us you have taught them in one
of them and some of our churches as well and we are in it because
there is a real need, that is, we want to help people in
many ways, and one of the ways that they are really self- destructive
prow, of the most perverse is this. But we don' t know
at all how we don' t or don' t know anything. And
then you have to have some keys, some guidelines to follow. So that
resource is ideal for that, to have a picture of what it consists of,
how to help and how to prevent. Remember us. The name again
the name of the course, yes, the cousation. It is called prevention
and pastoral editing to pornography the infa. But if you go to the website
of Off Just Love Ork, there comes out like a window pla, perfect,
perfect Wow. David is not an issue that interests us all. For
the good of many people and, above all, to safeguard any one of
us from something that distorts everything and can make us dust, but also to
the young generation, not that it is so easily good. We were talking
about children, but young people one day the consumption of pornography is brutal,
not so widespread and there are almost no differences between men and women, that
is, between boys and girls. In teenagers it' s something that'
s already normal. Now it' s funny when the woman hasn' t
been so sex addicted because she has other connotations. Not now it turns out
I notice it. Aside from what I read, from what I live,
from what I know, from what I perceive and from what is seen in
the environment, one must not be any scholar to see what is already there.
It just seems that if you don' t have wild experiences with you
' re not a person, a person updated, you' re not completely
liberated or liberated in this case, and I think this is also born of
an interesting complex, of a complex, because you' re who you are
and you' re who you are and you don' t have to prove
from yourself that you have to be a liberated woman or and for that you
can get into all these. But the same thing happens to men, to
boys, that I have to learn to be a person without strong feelings that
dominates women. It' s a complex saying I want to prove that I
' m not weak, that I haven' t effeminate and I have to
learn the brutality of pornography, that is, it hurts us all equally.
There' s not much difference. You see, what we all have,
what this generation of young people have, is anxiety and depression, and what
Bonography gives is a feeling that there are no medical pleasure problems, just like
screens, like all social networks, but at a more extreme level, then
it is not so much the material itself, but what allows me to cope
with my damage and my shortcomings, especially in youth. One of the characteristics
that has been spoken a lot that have been written these very popular works,
sadomasochism, especially of the boys, and that this, therefore, has also
been generalized, which is also a form of distortion of total sexuality. There
' s no more soft porn. Before there was soft porn and not hard
and you could consume one thing more light or go to system stuff. Now,
if you put in sex or an innocent word that I know thetas,
you put it on Google and it just comes out of the tough one.
The soft porn is already reggaeton video clips, the series. This kind of
general culture is like it is. The bar has risen a thousand, the
tide has risen and the zero level is already hypersexualization and sensuality, hypersensuality of
everything, and clear governments if they wake up a little bit more or less
to this unfortunate reality so pernicious for coexistence and for people and for their psychological
health and their mood and for everything and family, then realize that here this
is like when you said let' s not put limits to children, this
has been a culture too repressive. Then and now we realize it. We
have to set limits because it' s out of hand. We have gone
to the other end in terms of the pedagogy of the personal development of the
boys. But in this it' s the same. Now the government is
saying uy here is a social problem that is reaching very high levels. We
' re reaping what we' ve sown. We have sown separation from the
traditional Jewish Christian values that had been based in civilized Europe. We have deliberately
left them behind, to say that they are retrograde and we want to go
forward and we have progressed to where corruption is done, makes the destruction of
the VI So we have to go back. But there is a blockade that,
that is, today I cannot go back there, because it has already
made a hate speech against everything that was good And now what I do say
education, quality sex education based on self pleasure. That is the great formula
that the government or associations have to stop the degradation of the by a no
party. We will not teach them as children to seek their pleasure in masturbation
and not to consume such porn, but to consume it feminist. That'
s what society gives us. It is here that the Church has a chance
to say hears, that it turns out that we have a book that many
centuries ago, that shows what a man is, what a woman is,
how they relate. And this design is the good thing, not for Christians,
for everyone. So, if we live it out of our dream,
let the Church live it, discover it a good sex, according to God
' s design, enjoy society. He' s gonna say we want this
too. In the institutes where I go, the children of fourteen, fifteen,
sixteen are tired of having tried everything and that is to see that it
is so worse than before. And when you tell them, for example,
that you' re only with one person, that you' re married,
that you have family, they really say. I want that. Yes,
yes, because God' s design is good for everyone. He used to
call me good. I have in the family also teachers and also and there
are people in the world of teaching and such told me the kids talk about
sex constantly, sex toto everything. That' s an obsession. The subject
of sex, no, but on a seemingly pornographic and non- pornographic level,
but the subject sex continuously then clear, this is a clear is and
there is a story. The clear society has been de- Christianized and said
good, but Christianity has been very repressive. It has also been with political
power, dictatorship. Well, let' s cut the crap. It'
s dictatorship that we have nothing to do with it. A living faith in
Jesus, an emancipating faith. I discovered myself when I became a true child
of God, when I gave my life to Christ Jesus and asked him for
forgiveness sincerely for my sins, and I felt that I was dirty and felt
like washing my conscience and soul from a whole young life. But already dusted
very early and then feeling renewed, changed from starting to walk. There are
struggles in life, such but that with the holy spirit, which is wonderful,
a saint espri him. Eh helps us so much great saints. Yeah,
yeah, he' s the one who sanctifies us. It' s
not the pure one, is it, but we have tools. Of course
society, it' s been tempered. Christianity is retrograde, repressive, Christian
Jewish culture. We have to take her out of the social imagery and be
free and do whatever we want. But there are the others. We are
reaping it, that we have named the sacred Totten fort this we have raised
from sex to crazy and distorted sex. Okay, but there are exits.
Ladies and gentlemen, here is the Ministry of David Perez. You can contact
him. Directly, as you have said and if you don' t remember
that you can also write. To Julio Pérez Arroba the train of life,
point is I will lead them. Julio Pérez Arroba, the train of life,
point is and I immediately refer to David and the course that will begin
in September. Hey, David, it' s been a pleasure. Uh,
it tastes like a little bit, but it' s not a little
bit. What you' ve told us in a short time, you'
ve left us here well served. Yeah, if I can do something in
the end, yeah as if you' re hearing this and you think it
' s not gonna be the last try, it' s not gonna be
I' m not going out, I' m going to try and I
' m going to fail you. I mean, Jesus is going to set
you free, that Jesus keeps his word, that he is faithful. You
have to repent and ask for help. If you do if you don'
t, I' m sure you won' t. If you do it
and you' ve really hit bottom, Jesus is going to get you out
here, we' ll be there to walk with you. But it is
he yes, yes, he liberates, yes, he liberates, wowy how
beautiful, how important that real and that is an urgent appeal for the people,
why we have an interest in helping people in so many human conflicts.
Well, because God' s love has been poured into us and we feel
the need to do what others did for us. I remember myself without initial
mentors, not as they accompanied me and helped me get out of things that
cost me too not and give me a good guide. But in this case
look at an issue like the one we are dealing with, such as overcoming
addiction to pornography, because here there is a real possibility and the last Council
that David thought about to take it very seriously. David Pérez, my dear
friend, thank you for being on the train of life, thanks to you
we will see each other again and again as the exact life itself. Thank
you so much. Thanks to r as in the train of life, fast
with nothing and new under the sun all vanities to the spelt thread, but
you scared him again adds crosses. Now I live how it was. A
million times I' ll sing a million days of seeing your spirit take me
where you are. A million more times. I want more of my name.
No one seen you go, no one can imagine what it is.
Boleira by dead, caniñacer, weeping or Ilo you drink Cantares, Oh,
million babies did you drink? Your spirit takes me where you' re a
million BsAs more, man, I see myself so much time or a million
stockings you' ll see. Your spirit brings me donusas a million more needs,
I of course more, a million times you deserve to be from a
million pertine hynos, a million times it deserves mine from us oce oce or
it deserves yes, from humble, from blind uritus are s or mine I
am even so many things fas. Don' t cry. I want more.
Hey, fellas. I' m Julio Perez. You know that I
am the director of the radio program the weekly Magaxing, the train of life,
and it does nothing less than thirty- two years that we travel through
many human landscapes and many curiosities and things of life of earthly life and heavenly
life. I also have the joy of telling you that I have published my
book, a book that has to do with the train of life. There
are fifty selected articles written by me. There are six seasons and in each
season there is a section of eight reflections, temporary reflections for an eternal destiny.
These are the things I tell in this book. They are perfections,
analysis, experiences, comments that other curiosity also in those fifty reflections, in
those six stations, until we reach the station, term that there is also
a section, a very important block. This book can already be found on
Amazon on the editorial platform of Amazón. Traveling on the train of life is
entitled the book is the title of the book traveling on the train of life
Julio Pérez, a server is the author. Then it can be good there.
You know the train tells us about journeys through life. Life is a
kind of living parable, like a train in motion, that there are so
many sensations and experiences inside the train and what we are seeing inside and what
we see from the train out, because there I propose that you be able
to access this book, look at this book. I' ve done it
with a lot of love. I think there are things that are very affectionate,
very very intimate, and others not so many, are very open,
but it is a book that I have done from the heart and with the
heart traveling on the train of life is the title of a servant Julio Pérez
on the editorial platform of Amazon. You can find him. The book has
a cost of fifteen euros in about 180 pages, and everything collected from that
book is invested, reinvested in the radio project of Onda Paz or Napau and
in the train of life. Of course it is part of the project so
that this is put on and kept going as long as it never stops So,
I remind you and I thank you in advance for buying my book on
the Amazon platform traveling on the train of the life of a Julio Pérez server.
Thank you so much. So fragile your head in winter and so in
summer. Your head is just as fragile all year round. That' s
why, even if it' s hotter. This summer wear your helmet whenever
you go on a motorcycle, because summer is full of life and lives.
We' re all going next to you. Directorate- General for Traffic,
Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. Never leave me alone in the
bathtub or places with water. Don' t say they emit luis fingers and
linchufe. Don' t leave me in any open window. I told you
to use tonic substances orcamintos at my fingertips. You already let me swallow the
small pieces of toys. If you neglect, your ojer can be dangerous for
your children. Don' t worry, avoid accidents. So you want more
Ministry of Health and Consumer Affairs Government of Spain that you travel on the train
of life or you are n n. Ladies and gentlemen, well, we
' re already here with our good friend, the director of Protestant Digital,
who is Daniel Ozcam journalist too, and we' re talking a little bit
about some of today' s scraps. Well, in the summer, it
seems like we' d like to get some rest from all that news,
sometimes bad news or permanent riffitz riffy among politicians and unresolved issues. But not
this, for this is unstoppable. The news is unstoppable when not the informative
summer snakes that are things that appear in the summer, sometimes appear jumps,
mayuscules. No, well, there we have our friend Daniel Occan. I
welcome you. Good morning, Daniel Hello, Good morning, What, such
Julio, how are you, well, delighted to have you here with us
on the Daniel life train already almost closing season. At least well, there
are already people who are on vacation in the first batch. But yes,
yes, yes, some are already enjoying and you others are on the way.
Sometimes those days come and you won' t have much left to escape.
Little that, yes, yes, well, we have some getaways and
the second shift of July is already more numerous. But then it' s
August too. It' s already the big escape. It seems that the
country is put on standbyte not in the sense of services. And such and
good, but this is our country, Spain, is an eminently tourist country,
it is one of our most important capitals in the economy. True,
yes, well, of course, I don' t remember what the percentage
is, but it was a very high percentage of Spain' s PBE,
which is dependent on tourism. And this, moreover, is growing because,
as we know, tourism in Spain continues to rise, that is, every
year more travellers arrive, every year more people arrive from other countries who want
to spend their holidays here. And, well, obviously, that also generates
certain conflicts, certain tensions with people who, above all, live in the
most overcrowded areas. But there is no doubt that it is a very important
engine for the future of work and for the job and welfare stability that we
have in this country. Yeah, well, the truth is good. It
is an important impact on gross domestic product. We' re a solarium.
The whole Iberian Peninsula and all the infrastructure we have. We are surrounded by
water everywhere, except for one that is called, which is the interior,
but we have the seas and such and we have a very privileged area.
I think we end up with 80 to 90 million tourists all this year.
It' s a record figure for it' s awesome. No, yeah,
yeah, yeah. I think it should be stressed that it is a
sector that continues to grow as we said and, moreover, that it does
not look like it will stop growing in at least the next few years,
because we have gone through a somewhat tighter stage of economy, let us say,
and above all from the covid because there were some, a kind of
world movement that seemed to be heading towards a general crisis, but now the
international indicators do not really appear to mark that, that is, there is
no expansion phase of growth, let us say very buoyant at the international level,
at the general level, but not a great crisis either. I mean,
it looks like we' re there in one and you don' t
know where things are going to go, but not as bad as maybe many
thought I could go. Nor is it so good, but let us say
that there is general growth in the economies and I think that something that benefits
Spain a lot with regard to other destinations is also the issue of stability and
security. Spain remains a fairly safe destination and other places, as they cannot
say the same. Do not imagine the same Israel last year, which supposes
for the fact the tourist impact that will have for them the situation of war
in which they are now. Same with the countries in Africa happens a little
similar and then other countries around us, because sometimes they also go with their
more and their less. And Spain, and in that sense we still have
to say as a priority destination and very appetizing for many people who want to
come here to spend their holidays. Of course it' s a tourist destination.
Spain very appetizing economically at the exchange of currency, especially from European countries,
is much more economical and the truth that it is for us is one
of the sacred cows of the Spanish economy, because it is important and good.
What happens is that also the other side of the ugly face of tourism
is that important cities, Barcelona, Madrid, Valencia, now that it is
also very fashionable good, and any part of the countries, that is,
the regions of the north, Cantabria, Asturias, Galicia, that are beautiful,
that people are going much more now to the north because to cool and
see another scenario, not so much the sea, but the mountain and the
green, and all that brings it. But really people in cities like Barcelona
and Madrid, especially Barcelona, for example, there is a tourist saturation that
is also becoming a problematic phenomenon for the neighborhood, for citizens. So here
we have to handle this well. Yeah, yeah. In addition, I
think that there is above all the issue of housing, the housing crisis that
we have been living in our country for quite a few years now, which
drags away the difficulty there is to find houses or rental flats and, instead,
there is rent for holidays, not and vacation rentals. And like everything
else, that' s leading to a greater difficulty for people to settle down
in certain cities. All the cities are not suffering, but it is generally
throughout the country we have been seeing how prices have been rising and of course,
the more tourism arrives, because more can be inflated these prices of housing
and rent, then let' s say there is a challenge. I think
it is quite clear from now on in Spain and that surely as the months
and years progress. It will be a very recurring problem and a very common
theme in all political forums. We have already seen it this summer, for
example, some cities that have begun to try to make some movement of regulation
regarding the vacation rental that is theoretically regulated, but really the municipalities are not
watching it and this market is very liberalized to the point that at the moment
when some ayun has also tried to do something, because it has had quite
difficult and use here, for example, in Galicia, it was news the
City of Santiago that this year tried to carry forward an emotion to regulate these
vacation rentals and finally did not go forward when the weight, because I put
back in the proposal that was wanted to approve in the City Council. So
we' re going to start seeing this as a top- notch political issue
for every shameless person who comes, we' re already seeing it this summer.
But without a doubt I believe that this is one of the issues and
above all because it is very related also to the other important issue, which
is that of the difficulty to access a housing, whether to buy it or
to rent it, especially at the level of young people, that really slows
down the development of a life, The fact of not being able to have
a housing, to be able to access a place where one can establish itself
more or less stable because it is a brake for the development of life and
with all the consequences that has for society in general. Of course, we
were talking about the pretty face of the matter, but it also has a
counterface to the topic of tourist flats, the topic of saturation, the topic
of noises, the theme of the And then, Spain is a country I
was thinking again with the feast of the sanfermines, so universal, so populated.
It' s just that it' s a clear thing if you want
to see it in a dramatic way and you say good, but animals and
then people get run over by animals or corned. And clearly and well,
I mean, people are subject to that. But what is the party of
knowledge? Well, yeah, it' s the party of the popular jarana,
but it' s the party of the collective drunkenness, it' s
what you live there. Since ernest the jereming Guay, which was one of
the promoters universalizing the party for Americans and for the whole world. But it
' s the party of the collective drunkenness, because there' s what you
' re going to drink and live crazy. Hence the issue of herds,
which is almost uncontrollable now that it is a popular, very particular, very
good party. Yeah, but not that. Some people change it. No,
no, and it' s okay for you to mention it, because
many times I think that there is immense hypocrisy in our country about this issue,
that is, there are people who live scandalizing the numbers of alcohol in
adolescents, for example, or problems, as you have now mentioned the issue
of herds or episodes, rapes and sexual assaults that occur in our country and
that it is very good that they are denounced. Of course, but then,
when he gets to these parties, no one seems to want to join
the strings. People behave that way, but they really take those like because
most of them, because they' re just abusing alcohol and they don'
t want to put a stop to it in any way. That is to
say, there is no one here who wants to put the bell on the
cat, because they do not want to break with that tradition that, beyond
a tradition, is also a vehicle of great economic benefit. And there it
is very clear. Then I think we do have that rent there. At
least, I think as a country, also to be a little more serious
or. We should try, at least be more serious in the proposals we
make and in the way in which we also develop this kind of festivities.
I, for one, have never really understood it too much, that is,
and I feel quite alien to all this kind of festivities, which I
do not understand very well the one that people find in them. But,
well, I think we need to also sometimes give healthy leisure proposals for our
society, and that sometimes misses the fact that it seems that if there is
no alcohol in the middle or people trying to put their lives in danger,
because it seems like they can' t have fun and I think there are
healthier ways to have fun in this life. Yeah, yeah, it'
s a real one with I don' t know if it contradicts or paradox
that a party that' s good. Yeah, it' s very popular,
it' s very infestive, very funny for a lot of people,
but it has really worrying connotations. And I say the collective drunkenness, because
it' s going to be drunken the thing, this is in the public
domain to all intents and purposes and then the cornered or clear if they get
it, and then the herds, of the sexual assaults. Well, good
is that who controls that when people are out of their minds, because those
savages also have no feelings, because they attack women indiscriminately and that is uncontrolled.
The police may already be on every corner that, unfortunately, is going
to happen and is happening this year as well. But, well, it
' s a public reflection for anyone who wants to hear it. Well,
but we have an interesting incentive, Daniel. We are good year on the
theme of the new generation of the Spanish football team, the new generation of
Yamal and others with animation and all and so many others that are really a
genius. The truth is we' re enjoying a football of the highest level
and well, we' ll see what happens on Sunday. The spas are
high. That' s very good. The truth is that the selection has
made a very good tournament. I think that exceeding expectations, it is true
that there were positive expectations for Spain because it was playing quite well and there
was really illusion for a new team, a game model also quite renewed,
more daring, more to attack And thanks to these figures, especially those extremes.
Both lain callal communico Williams, who are two very characteristic players to be
able to play that more daring football. But it has really worked very well
Spain and there has been no game that has played that would look inferior to
the rival in sets. It is true that he had a hard time against
France or Germany, logically because they are also very powerful countries and teams.
But the tournament in Spain is being very good and the expectations that Sunday arrives
as a favorite. So let' s see how about against England It would
be the truth that a very complete championship for Spain winning four. If he
beats England, he' d beat four world winners. In the same tournament
he won Italy, he beat Germany, he won France and he would only
stay in England. So it would really be an interesting brand that also speaks
very well about the selection and the tournament that they have made. Maybe the
paradigmatic figure is the minjamal that boy who turns this week, on Saturday,
turns seventeen. A sixteen- year- old boy, he' s a
real crack the ball touch he' s got and the deblin and the sense
of opportunity Well, the truth is that and good and the team itself let
' s say in the tiki taka they have are super the truth you say
we' re enjoying fut good football. Then, the other day, I
saw how there were very positive statistics for what is Spanish television as regards the
audiences of young people who had hooked up to the Euro Cup, especially to
the matches of the Spanish team that until now, because it was not happening
too much. Looks like football was a little hard for him to connect with
the new generations. But of course, with these younger young figures and also
with this more daring football, they have succeeded. And, well, actually,
Spain in general has worked very well, because it' s not just
a matter of these two kids. The case of my good is impressive,
because someone so young is giving such a high level and you can already see
that he is an exceptional player, but the rest of the team also responding
very well. All many players at a very good level and really also as
a team, that is, when there are changes or, for example,
the game against France, who entered players who had not yet been able to
play it or had not had so many minutes for issues of injuries or penalties
of other players, and did really well. That also speaks very well of
the team, of the work being done from the direction of the team,
the coach. Anyway, it seems that everything is working properly and well,
it has already come to the end now, obviously, already if you win,
well, you put in a final night and if you don' t
win, then you also stay like a good taste of mouth. I think
of a great tournament. Well, the coach is breast- feeding. I
think the source is doing a great job and I think he' s going
to be a man who' s going to be consecrated after all the stirs
that the Spanish Football Federation, the Royal Spanish Football Federation, has experienced,
and all the alterations that he' s had and the trapicheos that have been
going on and so it seems that that was crying out in the sky since
Billar, when Villar was President, and there were the trapicheos and so on
and in the last stage also with the character in question that has given so
much to speak. But well, this is catching up and we have to
see because there can be no internal mafias economic and economic exploitations that were in
the public domain and then this is problematic the system in which it is,
how the issue of the Federation is mounted with representatives who, in the end
is one of the autonomic federations and from there, then, the problem that
there is no real control of this management and that it seems that who controls
it is the big problem. There is no real control that can be exercised
of the figure of the President or of how the Federation then operates. So,
even well, the scandals that have been seen in recent years, which
we see are splattering every President, that is, even now the interim President,
because he is also very much questioned. Then it would be necessary for
there to be some kind of refoundation, I think, a general refoundation of
the entire football system. But of course, for that you have to love
them that are already there a little bit and also from the outside that really
enough pressure is made so that the right steps can be taken. And I
don' t really see that, that is, the people who are already
in there are in control, so to speak, I think they' re
just going to keep trying, play, change the chips, change the people
who may be in the front to keep kicking forward a federation that is clear
that people who are involved in it or who are inside it, because it
has very well also this kind of triumphs that the selection is leading, both
the female and the Spanish men' s forgiveness that they are actually doing very
good tournaments and that seems to give them as oxygen values to a structure.
I think very, very powerful. Yes, yes, by the way,
the women' s football team one of the best in the world, the
Spanish one And yes, after the blonde case, it is also that yes,
is that it was sighted in the distance of all the trapicheos and everyone
knowing it and then rocha, because of course it was also part of the
same litter, maybe not to the level, but yes. The government has
tried to get a little bit into the matter and, if not this,
it must be stopped. It had to be stopped. The case, of
course, of the player this that the famous little one, well, showed,
brought to light or other things, but well, in any case,
let' s enjoy it, to see if on Sunday we can celebrate it
for all the high champions of the Euro Cup and then the Olympics. Shortly
thereafter, on July 26, the Paris Olympics began. Wow. This is
until mid- August. I believe that it will also be Europe this year
is the center of world sport. Uh, yeah, yeah, well,
exactly, the Olympics. It' s an event that I think everyone likes,
seeing something. At least it is difficult that with all the hundreds of
sports that compete there is no one that interests you and likes you. No.
And that' s already good, because we go to the subject of
athletes that many times, because they don' t see in other events or
that they don' t transcend too much at media level because sometimes they are
sports with less follow up and that there have their big showcase and Spain again
with a good chance. There are athletes who are making very good brands,
for example the athletics that we have seen now, for example, the European
World Cups, and have left a very high standard in terms of possibilities,
which is what you can expect from the Spanish. There and then, in
team sports that Spain has always highlighted the truth that there are a lot of
team sports in which Spain always gives great performance good. We have seen,
we can mention handball, basketball, football, water polo, hockey, are
sports in which there is almost always a very good structure, good dynamics and
always come to the Olympics to compete very well. So there are a lot
of sports in which Spain sure has chances to take medals and well, beyond
what Spain can do, the theme to sport is very nice. I think
it' s still one of those things that are like the good things that
we can see in human beings developing in a positive way. And it is
true that around sport, as we said now, the federation and so on,
there is corruption, but in general, it is a very nice thing
to see how people get the maximum effort from their work, from their training,
from their possibilities to achieve goals and to beat others, to be the
best. I think it is something that encourages us all and that really continues
to have very positive values to transmit to our society, societies that sometimes,
then, stay a little leveraged or that have no reference, because many times
the athletes can be a positive reference for him. Without a doubt, it
is a social revulsive, especially for the new generations, and an incentive also
a world- class show that we will enjoy from twenty- six. I
think I remember from July until late, as early as August. And well,
there in Paris, many of the country is exploiting. Well, my
kids are visiting a little bit before they go with my grandchildren to disney Ward
and there I tell her now that she' s going to burst and she
says no, but we' re coming before the Olympics and then Paris is
in fashion. Now all the people are coming to the Olympics. They attract
a lot of tourism. It is clear, before, during and after,
and that is what happened in the Spain of the ninety- two, when
Barcelona was in fashion during. Well, that drove her from there like never
before. Well, but we have domestic problems and we' re on the
subject of the menas, of the guys who come in patenting mostly a hundred
and seventy percent coming from Morocco. The great, the great dilemma that is
now in the political eavesdropping, not and that is having a repercussion between box
and the People' s Party and so on, but what, what and
what we do, how, how we handle, how we manage this problem
of overflowing immigration that reaches our shores. Daniel, this is good. He
asks you that the government has a hard time. Yeah, no, no,
it' s not a problem, it' s a problem that'
s not solved easily. As we' ve seen. It is true that
in the last year, because what has happened is a very large arrival of
immigrants, especially on the Route Canaria, I did not know as Ruta Canaria,
because there has been one, we can say, an avalanche, because
really before they have entered the last year, because many people and clear here
the issue is that unaccompanied minors, cannot enter the European divisions like the rest
of immigrants, that is, with the rest of immigrants. It seems that
good there are more agreements or more ease so that they can be taken to
one country or another in short they are adults, but with minors let'
s say that there is a much more delicate situation. So, right now,
what we' ve seen is that on channels they' re oversaturated,
that is, the reception centers that really don' t pay anymore. And
then a distribution system is proposed so that we can say that all of Spain,
in some way, can also welcome and in some way give shelter to
these children while their situation is resolved, which is sometimes not easy, is
to say that the situation can always be solved, because many times it is
not known that they have parents, often there is no record of which relatives
they can have. And all that then makes the process of being able to
do something with these people difficult. So the issue is there, that there
is a political debate that is also present, although I think it is very
exaggerated, that is, at least what I have been seeing. In terms
of figures, the truth is that the figures are not as big as they
could sometimes appear when the editor is put in the sky by the cast.
I mean, I think that in this case the Box Party, which is
saying it' s making the most noise on this issue, is actually threatening
to break the government pacts with the PP It seems that they' re even
going to take it forward. But it' s not really figures that we
' re not talking about thousands and thousands of minors, that is, we
' re not sometimes talking about deliveries that can sometimes touch tens or some might
have to catch a hundred, but I think the autonomous communities should have the
capacity to do so. If they do not have it there, I think
it is, that a plan needs to be developed, that is, what
it should not be followed in this state which seems that there is no clear
strategy on the part of the government, neither on the part of Europe nor
on the part of the autonomous communities, that is to say, here we
should be clear on what the plan is and also, because a little bit
of that plan, to define the strategy so that this is not always a
political riffi rafe, we should ask our politicians a little bit higher to be
able to solve the problems that it is for that purpose, for what they
are theoretically then is a complicated issue, because obviously there are no easy solutions,
but there should be established at least ways in which not only politicians participate,
but also to give a voice, for example, to the best of
a table that could be put forward, a table that would raise alternatives,
in which the NGOs that are also taking part in the reception, in which,
as well, the authorities, of course, have a part, because
there is also a part that has to do with what the police, the
civil guard, because it also has to do in this sense that it has
to do in this. Anyway, there' s a lot of stuff.
Education. I think it should be a matter that, between different parts,
we should try to solve without being easy, knowing that tensions, knowing that
there may be difficulties to address it, but I wish it could be done
in a more calm way and not by saying the cry in heaven for a
cast, as it was this week, that I think they are good I
don' t know if they are six zero. Some say that there are
about six lower zeros that do not have to be distributed, because really,
if the country is not able to assume it, we will have to see
what to do. It' s not an easy answer, but I think
six zero should be able to take it. Now what' s going on?
Six months from now, there' s another six zero. That'
s what they should, because of course it' s a problem. It
' s a complex problem. There is also talk of a new immigration law.
There is talk that Congress is going to debate a new immigration law.
It is true that Europe also has to enter this game, because Spain is
the gateway. But Spain cannot carry all this burden and such, on the
other hand, illegally. Of course, a lot of them are coming.
Of course, the entire immigration contingent is criminalized, and that is neither correct
nor fair. It is true that many of the crimes that occur are of
immigrant and Spanish people, also many immigrants from all over, not only from
Africa, but from the other day, the appearance and a robot that entered
my farm on the top, the bacon from above, because they entered through
the balconies. Moreover, they were apparently Georgians, as I was talking to
the police. From these Georgian bands it means that they come from everywhere,
but also here clearly the precarious situation that live without papers, without work,
is a fish that bites the tail, then think of a problem and at
the same time is a necessity. That' s why you have to regulate
it, you have to look especially for the repeat multiplers automatically, you have
to take drastic measures as far as crimes comes from that I totally agree with
what has to be done and well, the more matches, as well as
Mark Like, who say ah now that I' m going to give in
free bar for everyone. No, no, no, that can' t
be, but this is an issue that needs to be rationalized. No,
but you can' t. We can' t let these people on the
high seas die this. No, no, this is inhumanity. But,
well, Box seems to care nothing about that. No, yes, I
think that here, of course, there are statements that are very negative that
we have heard in the Box case. If you don' t agree with
the deal, you don' t agree with the plan, because it doesn
' t agree with what you manifest or what you want, but of course
from there and to criminize as you were saying, not that it will mine
everything to everyone. Or it has been said that they will not participate in
bringing machetazo rapes and I do not know what more and robberies to their autonomous
communities. Of course that is obviously a totally criminalizing message. You' re
saying that you' re all taking in criminals by themselves, without even having
committed anything yet. So this is a little strong and I think, as
you were saying, there is a structural problem that is not easy to solve,
but that it is not going to solve by closing the doors here licanto
and there really is not an easy solution either. I think so, that
it would be interesting if this collaboration between administrations could be approached a little more
smoothly and also, as I said before, trying to involve organisations. I
think even the Emangelic churches. I am sure that they could contribute in this
respect, that some kind of table could be formed so that, from different
social factors, they could also contribute to this situation of need that is taking
place. I was seeing a little bit in the numbers no and there really
is. For example, Canary Islands says it has received two thousand eight hundred
minors in pateras and Cayucos this year alone this year two thousand eight hundred.
Of course, if the trend continues, it could close to two thousand twenty
- four with more than eleven zero unaccompanied foreign minors, equivalent to the entire
population of Iron Island. Then, of course, Canary Islands cannot assume this.
So the idea is to be solidary the rest of Spain and we distribute
so that the reception can be done, that is, it is not being
posed. I believe that what is being proposed by the Government is to respond
and try to solve the problem that is right now in the Canary Islands,
now with which there is already one. What we must also try to do
is to ensure that they do not arrive, that is, if this level
of minors has already reached, because we must try to do some policy that
somehow reduces this massive arrival. Yes, but this is complex because the countries
of origin, including from Tunisia, Mauritania and others, are also being talked
about and making contributions from the European Union to give them another way out or
other directions. But in the end these waves come back and it' s
true that these guys are not controlled, not all, but some do commit
crimes, some of them. But of course, we cannot say this cannot
be generalized and it is also true that sometimes the conditions under which they are
found are conditions sometimes conducive to crime falling. Of course, it' s
also a problem, that is, what they' re doing. If they
are not doing anything at all, of course, it is very easy for
them to end up, because they fall into that criminal practices that can sometimes
be minor robberies and such a man. But, of course, we don
' t want that. Then, of course, there is the problem of
the development paths that can be given to them. Many times we have and
have commented on it once. There are also minors who, when they are
adults, leave the centres. They are no longer in the juvenile centre,
obviously, and where they are going. There' s no answer. There
' s no plan. There is no answer to this, there is no
continuous plan. It gives them a choice. Of course, they are given
no alternative, as they are given no alternative. They' re told everything.
From here you can' t be anymore and now look for your life.
So it' s very easy for a semi- mafian structure to come
and really get you for whatever it is, not for some criminal activity,
that' s there in legality, like it can be many times they'
re selling some kind of product on the streets. Then it' s hard.
It' s hard if we don' t really build a path that
allows you to regulate or normalize. And I think this is already a subject
that has been dragging on for many years, that is to say, we
are going now, because that twenty- five years of irregular immigration arriving all
our shores, and it seems that it is still difficult for us to put
in place some kind of plan that can help resolve certain situations. It is
strange in Catalonia, which is one of the most typically supportive in this type
of question, they do not accept to take two hundred and sixty less,
because they say it will be the limit of their capacity. And that is
true that in some it happens are usually supportive of this kind of thing.
And good communities. What is striking is the issue of the break- up
that this afternoon is about to announce all the agreements in the communities that govern
with PP BOX. Well, well, steady is holding on to saying good.
We' re not going either. We have to be in solidarity with
each other. We cannot let communities overburden them and leave them under cover of
everything. And politically, I think that in the end, the pp isn
' t going to pose a problem either because they break the pact with VOX.
But they' re not breaking up. In other words, the government
is already running budgets already approved in the autonomous communities budgets can be extended,
i e you are not cutting it off or forcing it to call elections immediately
with the fact that they leave the governments. Person who leaves the Government,
the pp can appoint someone to replace him or even seek some timely support,
given the circumstance that may appear to him from another party. I wouldn'
t even be surprised if at some point I could get to the point support
of some group, be born a list or some of the PSOE at some
point to keep the legislature. Because, of course, in this matter it
seems to me that Bueno Box is trying here to play his electoral bazaar as
well and his position, and I think that we should not take a little
account of what has happened in recent months, that is, Box is no
stranger to what has happened in Europeans, that is, that a force has
emerged, as the party that comes with a very strong speech on the subject
of anti- migration ended, and that Box really does not want to leave
a little room for this good party for the moment, of association of readers,
but with the possibility that this party, since it has had such a
success in Europeans, will jump into the national panorama and once he does it,
it will probably do so, because who is going to take votes from,
because Box is also taking a little bit of it trying to tie those
votes that he already has and that do not escape him. On that side,
yes, exactly, so is the complexity, let' s say of
the political parliamentary arch and pact policies, which are inevitable now in all absolute
majorities has ended today and well, there are some have, it is true
that there has to be a new immigration law and they have to rationalize everything,
absolutely everything. But you can' t leave it under the cover of
tragedy, of inhumanity to people who come as they come and can' t
be left behind and then revolutions hot. It is another problem also our legal
problem as well and it is another real problem. That issue gives a lot
of yes, no, but well let' s see in the coming times
there' s going to be a lot of talk about this. But we
already know that in France, after this almost terrorous fear that the ultra-
right would take over legislative weapons. Well, in the end, the French
have done this on other occasions in a vow of punishment. In a first
round they voted ultra right and in the second not to make a call attention.
There is unrest over Macrons' policies, that on the right and the
most radical left. But finally, of course, if France, in that
sense, which is a political bulwark of Europe, dismembers itself internally Houston,
we have a problem. Well, let' s see what happens not in
France, because the political issue is very hot, as we have seen already,
when Macron advanced the elections in the legislative ones, it was seen that
he had an earthquake, although it is true that in the end Macron has
not come out more entirely, because in the face of the increase of the
right of the lepen because he has contained that assault on the institutions that could
be taken a little for granted, and in the end, it has been
the left that has managed to remain as the first option in this case,
that coalition of the left that have managed to mount inextremis against the clock but
of course, with a lot of effectiveness when it comes to dealing with this
system. As you say in the second round of two rounds in which,
in the end, then, the Party of Lapena has been punished, although
they had expectations. Evidently, they had the expectation of being equal the first
force. So, let' s say that yes, it has been a
surprise that both the Macrono Party has endured quite well as the fact that the
Left, for it was left in the first place. And it is clear
that the configuration is not easy either, because Mccron now has to agree with
the left similar to the one we can have here we can, that is,
it is a left that is quite far from what Macron can say on
many issues. So, let' s see if they get how they can
move on this clau that. Now France too seems to be taking some political
breath from the party we were talking about before the Olympic Games, but it
is clear that starting in September we will see what is happening in this country
and we are seeing movements at an interesting political level. What has also happened
in the United Kingdom, that is to say, the fact that the Socialist
Party there in the Labour Party has also achieved such a crushing victory. It
seems that it is as we have seen in the parties of conservative and right
- wing identity parties, because they also have their counterpart, that is,
also on the left side, because there are those who are enduring, so
to speak, or re- emerging and give a more varied picture of what
it might seem a few months ago in which it was seen, because it
is a conservative and right- wing identity classroom, because it really razes across
Europe. And now, it looks like a bit of a thing that'
s not so unbalanced. Yes, it really is a very ambiguous board,
although in the European Chamber, on the ultra- right, it is the
third largest group, and that even though Meloni has been derailed, but in
Meloni it is also part of that platoon, even if independently it means that
it is a significant force and a voice that is inevitably going to have to
listen and that is going to war. Politically speaking, but the complexity of
what is happening is evident. The Labour Party in England, in Great Britain,
in the United Kingdom, has nothing to do with Spanish socialism, which
has been greatly drawn to the ultra left. It is not much more moderate
socialism, except for Corbing, who disappeared. It is a much more moderate
party, but it has evidently knocked down the Toris who had made a policy
of disaster in the last few years and who has gone from bad to worse
and in France, the ultrade and the popular front east as well. But
with everything and with it the forces, that is to say that the Members
who have taken out see him in a presidential election is that proportionally they are
majority proportionally careful, careful, we will see yes, still they say that
they are still waiting their turn and have not played. Let' s say
they keep growing, that is, you see the elections and practically they'
re all growing a little bit more. And good. That also tells us
a little bit about the answers that France and the problems it is facing,
and the answers are trying to look for the different problems that are being posed
today in many of the societies in which we have. It is clear that
in France, for example, there is an issue which is very much present,
which is the subject of Islam, which is a very powerful issue and
which is of concern, and that there is a lot of concern among many
people in France about this advance of Islam and which, in some way as
it also affects coexistence, because we have also seen that there are sometimes difficulties
for countries where there is a high percentage of people of Islamic faith in some
way to accept democracy or make certain parts of certain characteristics of democracy. And
it is really feared that they might somehow come to power, start taking certain
positions that really seem very difficult to see right now. But who knows what
may come to power Certain factions are coming to power and this is also part
of what the future of Europe can do. Europe is changing and we are
going to see, we are going to see what is happening in the coming
years, also in this respect, because it is a continent that, as
we have said, is still a very aged continent and that, in that
sense, because so well present to that struggle right now between a certain conservatism,
but also the forces that come from that in no way and that are
emerging are not forces, let us say, of the left, but that
are sometimes forces that identify other types of forces. Yes, of course,
this is a mare magnum of very politically complex issues. Speaking of France,
the social protest revolts in France are very dangerous. You can take a turn
and you mean well, and I realize every time in politics there' s
nothing stable, there' s nothing certain. Every time things can turn to
the most unexpected situations you can imagine. And well, and even Europe,
that being the richest continent, politically more stable at the moment, with turbulence
And so, if Europe is destabilized, the world has a problem because other
parts of the world are wrong, including the United States. The U S
internally is not right. Of course, China is ahead of it in economic
implementation. The economic colonization of China' s economic imperialism is superior to that
of the United States. The political situation in the United States is very precarious.
Social intern And we' ll see what happens to the issue of Baiden,
who is a man, who is an incapable man, but we don
' t have to take him out of the way. And then, because
Donaldtran is a good alternative for the country either, but I see it'
s amazing that they don' t have candidates, candidates let' s say
relevant when in Napolia it seems that nobody wants to face these challenges of this
size, because Kamala Harris, for example, is a total incompetent, total,
be it a woman of gray, low profile and such, but good.
And then, on the other side of the republic, because they have
no candidates either, and this man, who is not knowing politics of how
to lead a country here, there can be a major political catastrophe. Yeah,
well, we' re not gonna see what. What' s going
on is not the truth, which is a year that there are many more
elections going on and these, let' s say, are very important.
Not what has anything to do with what happens October November there in the United
States, because, as we have always seen, although in the United States
it is losing international relevance, it is still the great superpower in many respects,
the military, of course, and of course, the fact that there
is a government that has international policies, for example, of one kind of
another, because that marks a lot what happens at other levels, without forgetting
that geopolitical situation, not only in the case of what is happening with China,
but also with Russia. The conflict also in Israel, that is,
there are a lot of hot potatoes that is really not very clear what the
U S response is going to be. There' s one candidate or there
' s another. I mean, let' s see what happens, because
really, for example, right now the one who could win that strump that
looks like it' s all headed for what might happen. That, then,
is going to take some political decisions at the international level that I believe
will have consequences. Then we will have to see what happens in that sense.
Yes, yes, with the exception of Israel, which is going to
support it to the death, likewise the other countries, the issue of Ukraine,
the other nor such will be on the looserope, because if it is
so that it finally wins, because it can emerge a candidate from if mitchello
roda Obama, proposes himself as candidate. Finally, they' re not so
clear. Do all tran yes, well, yes, of course if they
change candidates that could occur in the coming weeks. There are not especially these
last two weeks, there are a lot of movements from that debate, in
which the shortcomings of living mainly the difficulties that it sometimes has to maintain the
thread or, therefore, to answer some of the questions that were raised to
it. Well, that, I think, shows a very big weakness that
you' d already seen dancing. Yeah, well, we' ve been
seeing her for a long time, and now she' s getting stronger.
So, I think it' s going to be very difficult for him to
remain a candidate. So, yes, it could change what you were saying
before politics is very changing. No one can really predict what' s going
to happen. And one of the things that could change the board a lot
would be the appearance of another candidate by the Democratic Party, the place they
live that right now seemed pretty much more. Yeah. Well, then,
we will continue to talk about these issues because they are the ones that our
daily bread in the social and political chronicle and other peripheral issues that we are
entertaining, but speaking only now in this final reflection of this interview Daniel Protestante
Digital, the magazine that speaks of interesting for our listeners. Many know it,
but others have not yet entered the pages of Digital Protestant. It'
s the paper. The newspaper is precisely worth the digital redundancy that is at
the forefront of the Protestant world, of the evangelical world, in our country
and even in Ibero- America, the most frequent and also from the social
powers and public life appear to Protestant Digital. And the interesting thing about Digital
Protestant is that it addresses internal issues of the faith and the Christian community,
but many current issues, from very interesting contrasts. There with yourself, Daniel
as director of Digital Protestant, with Joel Foster, with Jonathan Soriano, with
Pedro Tarquís and with a campus of and others and other collaborations that make it
very interesting. And don' t miss passing by the Digital Protestant Digital magazine,
which you could tell us as the director of this magazine, that I
' ve been saying so much, because yes, thank you for putting the
good words, as always Julio and your collaboration also and we really have a
content. I think that very interesting these last few weeks is that, moreover,
the current situation has not passed and we have closely followed everything that has
happened. For example, we have assessments of the elections that took place in
France and the United Kingdom, with evangelical voices from each of these countries.
We also have reports on the Euro Cup, which we have also talked about
at this time. Also, for things that are happening more at the evangelical
level. We could say there is a very interesting report about a Punjab church
in Barcelona. I think it' s very interesting to see how they are
reaching different immigrants, different sectors that are sometimes not reached and how they are
doing a great job among them chronicles such as the World Nursing Congress that was
overtaken, which took place in Malaga a few days ago. And then,
as always, interviews with relevant people, interesting people to tell about things that
also have to do with life, with culture, with faith, with things
that are always worth reading or caring for. So good to invite, as
always to digital Protestant amicator, to read the contents. We also have several
recent video interviews there. In short, many things that I think can be
very upbuilding and always a perspective a little different from the actuality that is what
we bring and this section of Christian business leaders and is magnificent the number of
interviews and contributions and keys that it is good that you have to go through
there, you have to see it and make a bet to the day of
ours and of what from our worldview there is also critical analysis as very very
interesting and profound, because in digital Protestant, as there you can access directly.
Daniel, well, I wish you a good summer and I believe that
God, through God' s favor, we will meet in South Korea.
That is, that is here we will be, if God wants September,
there we will find if Providence how green it seems that we will be in
the Congress that makes me very excited because the 50th anniversary of the USN Congress,
which has transformed the reality of the evangelization of the world into these,
the impulse that has given this Conference to all kinds, and that of the
twenty- five gaps to analyze and so many interesting things. Well, I
think it' s a privilege to be able to participate and enjoy it and
then continue working in our home countries. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It' s gonna be great. I believe it is an event in
which five zero people participate in a face- to- face manner. Another
five zero will be connected online to participate, that is, ten zero evangelicals
from all over the world, from all countries of the world. We'
ll be there from Spain. We will be traveling to about thirty forty people
or so, so it will be great to be able to share that time
there and also the expectation that we do not really have an income, that
it will not be left alone as a congress, but that from there will
emerge documents initiatives and can continue to promote mission and evangelization worldwide in all areas.
So we' re also going to be reporting on that very punctually.
We already have some reports published also in digital protest. If anyone wants to
look about the Usandra movement, we also have a recent interview with Yao Mallenas
talking about the subject and, of course, that the expectation is high and
we hope it will also be good. We' re also going to inform
people about what they' re going to live there, because I think it
' s going to be very relevant. That' s right, dear friend,
Well, I wish you a good summer and then God, through there
we will most likely agree and enjoy it and then we will report many things
of interest to everyone, because thank you, thank you very much, Julio,
and also have a good summer. Thanks to You, Daniel, a
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an exciting journey along the routes of the heart, an unforgettable trip at
the rate of trem Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are still here traveling
along the routes of the heart and of the human soul. Never, ever
better said, because this is a different journalism. It is the journalism of
the soul that also forces us to reflect on that immaterial part of ourselves,
but that has so much importance in human life, the soul that is part
of our essential being, of the human being. This morning we are in
direct line with Don Joaquín Lebra, our good friend, our magnificent dear.
We always listen as attentively as the students to the teacher. Actually, to
Don Joaquín Lebra, this morning he' s going to tell us about sin.
It is a religious lie that has been socialized. It is a Christian
Judeo lie that has been inserted into the social consciousness through religion. That'
s what they say, but what can we say before. That' s
it or it' s another way. Good morning, Joaquin. Good morning,
July today, good morning to the entire audience. All right, Joaquin,
look at you. We wanted who better than you to ask you some
questions about things that are more familiar to us and we assume them for many
of us who confess heart- to- heart Christians, convicted confessors, but
for all of us in the social and popular consciousness, why it is so
strange to hear about sin today, for I would say that because the vast
majority of people have studied morals or ethics or have not done so, they
have a concept as very legalistic, very non- mystical of sin related to
prohibitions, things that can be done, that cannot be done or should not
be done and that have been expressed in a very legalistic way. And then
the origin of sin is very unknown to many people. I would even dare
to say that in many Christian circles, because I know many and are many
years old, I have seen that most odes are not even made or know
how to make a distinction between sin and sins. Sins understood as faults against
current morality, against ethics in the society in which one lives, which is
very changing, because society is changing, evolving, not necessarily for the better,
but also for the better. And, of course, sins already enter
the casuistics, because they change and vary with the passage of the years and
in the last years with great speed, as almost everything in the last times,
in that process of acceleration of time and events, but of sin,
of sin as the cause of all the evils and all the problems of humanity,
for many do not know much of it and I say to you I
insist in this it confuses sin with sins. Yeah, there' s really
one. The subject of sin is a word Socially, current secularism, which
many years ago, has anathemized this word, because when in a discourse or
in a colloquial talk on a social level, it occurs to you to say
that what you call sin to a certain thing, for it seems to be
for some it is a bit of a curt, antimodern, religious, outmoded,
unproprietary, an anachronistic word. This is the feeling that a lot of
people have. It is clear that I remember or when in canon law,
because it was said I do not remember the precise quantities, but it was
something like subtracting ninety- nine pesetas was venial sin and subtracting a hundred pesetas
was mortal sin. Or the exact quantities I don' t remember, but
come on it was a quantification with a limit to move from one category of
sin to another. That is why I insist that it is so important to
make that distinction between sin and sins. When the word sin is used in
today’ s world, the vast majority of people think of actions that at
one time were not considered acceptable in society and are now acceptable. And that
is why the one who uses the pla if we use it a little carelessly,
because they will point to us with the finger as people who are not
up to date, who live practically in the middle ages. But the reality
of sin is a reality of such great dimensions and so evident, so evident
that no one can deny that reality, that it is the great protagonist behind
all the crimes scams, all the evils that occur in humanity, in the
form of wars, massacres, in the form of frauds of deception, in
short, of man' s struggle for man. Understand, then, the
law of the jungle and the struggle of the strongest to crush the weakest is
an absolutely verifiable reality, a reality that is there and that is why of
course every student of morals and ethics meets this reality that then, in some
concrete facts, in some materializations, because effectively, in the evolution of society,
can become out of date as authentic sins. And that' s what
also makes some people talk about gross sins, like realities of universal dimension that
occur wherever man lives in society and in dealing with other men, a reality
that cannot be denied and that I believe the sacred scriptures the Bible is the
one that tells us most clearly what the origin is, where the reality of
sin comes from, how it originates, what are the sufferings and problems it
brings upon humanity. Sure, because the diagnosis comes to be. Let'
s call him this is like someone has cancer, we could call him a
me know a tare or an organic accident. We' d call it something
else. But if corrosive cancer and unstoppable cancer, a virulent cancer, as
it is a crushing cancer that advances in the body and destroys it, then
it is called cancer. Now we can give you the name we want to
soften the idea, evade it, excuse it, justify it, or mask
it. But that' s why I ask you and I think that to
be answering Joachim very well to this, from the divine point of view,
what is sin and what are its advice, what is sin in reality,
from the point of view of God, clear according to the sacred scripture and
starting from the most ancient texts, from the sacred scriptures, which are the
ones that many today try to avoid, do not want to refer to them
because it seems to them that it is something mythical, it is something windological,
it is something distant from the current thought. But in the sacred scripture
it is very clearly presented to us that the beginning of sin in man is
simply the act of disobedience to God. That is why the sacred scripture of
the Bible tells us that all that is not faith is sin. It does
not say a sin of that sin all that is not clear. Here too,
we must define faith, faith as that trust with security, trusting God,
in his word, in his teaching. And when we stop trusting God,
we stop depositing the bond in the guarantor, because we find a great
void. Let' s try to justify our actions, let' s go
through different ways, let' s think we' re wiser than God.
We will ascribe to God the ungodly belief that in his commandments they are so
that our life may be sad, that we may not be happy and clear,
man in his old nature, for he cannot see God' s commandments
as delights, He cannot see us as something magnificent good that God has for
us and will ascribe to God. I insist that we think that God is
going to throw off the spoils and that his commandments are to keep us from
being happy. As long as man does not have that encounter with the Lord,
that transforming encounter that takes place through the person, Jesus Christ, Jesus,
Nazareth. For as long as there is no such encounter and no such
change, that new nature, we cannot see God' s commandments as delights.
And that is why the Bible tells us that all that is not of
Fey is sin, that is, by not trusting God, we then fall
into that position that makes us think that we know better than God. And
that' s how God gets out of date. The Ten Commandments are becoming
obsolete. What man does before the clear reality of sin which he does not
call sin, he will seek a euphemism and write treatises of morality and ethics
that are magnificent, but are simply impossible. Man can' t live up
to that. He needs the intervention of God, He needs the grace of
God. We need that encounter with Jesus Christ so that forgiveness of God’
s commandments will cease to be those heavy burdens. That is why the Bible
tells us that sin is a breach of God’ s law of forgiveness.
The word sinned in the Hebrew original of the Bible. Well, there are
several words. Let' s see two of them very briefly. The first
is the word hata. The word jata fixed, which is the cry of
the archer when he throws his arrow and does not reach the target, does
not reach the target, because either he falls short, the shot or passes
over, is a long shot or deviates by the wind, for any reason,
to one side or another. And that word is, therefore, error,
error, error, error, sin of error. And it' s
normal that the man Jerry, the ancient theologians said human error is persevering diabolical,
that is to say to err is human. What is of the devil
is persevering, continuing in that error and not wanting to rectify, not wanting
to turn us around, which is what it means to repent, to turn
around. And then it' s a word for sin, which is the
word meat. So with a v an hour and a n meat, it
comes from a root which is that it means to put on a rope,
braid it and braid it, twist it and twist it until finally it cracks.
It is a sin of perseverance, of insistence on disobedience that brings naturally
its consequence. When we have this vision of the reality of sin, we
can then understand that what sin produces is what we say vulgarly or religiously for
centuries have been called sins and man has then fallen into the trap of classifying
them, making a sort of a systematic of sin and how times change,
customs, change situations, change prevailing conditions, change people clearly before ancient definitions
of these classifications of sin, for you can even produce them I tell you
at least the smile that produces that ninety- nine pesetas was Danial sin and
fempre was mortal sin. Yes, what interesting reflections, Joaquin. Really good.
Which we have talked about some of them. What are the most popular
topics about sin? For example, I can think of one for you suddenly
that is very popular. No one is perfect, really, like we apologize,
well, of course, it doesn' t mean we have to self
- flagellate, but we apologize for our defective humanity. I mean, nobody
' s perfect, well, but we' d have to go deeper.
Popular topics about sin. Yes, of course, by saying that no one
is perfect, we are saying a great reality. What happens is that,
even clear the concept of perfection, we would also have to analyze it a
little bit in the field of the physical, because imagine the perfection, the
perfection of a woman at a certain moment in history, is to resemble the
women who Rubens paints at this moment, because by the pendular movement, it
seems that perfection is in being a barbie. And of course, it turns
out that the women of appearance in the paintings of Reubens, because they had
to be very sick, true, very, very, very sick. But
it is that at the other end of the movement, of the pendulum also
the one that chooses to look like a barbie, because there are also in
sickness the concepts of perfection in the aesthetic sense, because they have changed and
will continue to change. When in the Bible we read that text in which
God asks us to be perfect, as the Lord is perfect. Sure,
that word translated perfect. If it is not nuanced, we will misunderstand it,
because there the original word, in the original language of the Bible,
speaks of a type of perfection that is not exactly what is most commonly understood
today by perfection. The original word is whole, that is, what God
calls perfection is integrity, and it is far more complete for a man who
recognizes his sin, his imperfection, than he who conceals and covers and denies
his sin, his imperfection. And already with this easy understanding of things,
we realize that our concept of perfection has nothing to do with what the Lord
Truth says in the scripture itself we are told that of course, if we
looked at our sins, if we were always contemplating our sins, fallen faults,
imperfections, for who could be saved. Obviously, that exclamative question demands
an answer that is a resounding, absolutely resounding one. Now it is true
that when you hear that expression good man, no one is perfect. It
is not being used in this sense, but looking for a self- exculpation,
a way of saying good, because I have not made mistakes and mistakes.
And well, as everyone does, because I' m so happy with
mine and I' m not willing to rectify it, I' m not
willing to turn around. And that is where the reality of sin begins.
In this case, yes, well, the subject we would not like to
prolong much more for the interest it contains in its pure essence. We'
d have to talk and maybe we won' t. To come to a
question I want to ask you about the question about the Augustinian theology of original
sin and that, in any case, it could make us think that,
well, what is our fault if our Adamic federal head sinned We are not
morally responsible. That would have an explanation that we would have to develop.
But I like it very much that when the prophet and Seia is one of
the prophets who speak denouncing the sin of the time, the sin of the
people of God of the time, he says in one of the statements when
he speaks of this messianic writing. Everyone turned away in their own way.
Moreover, God bore in Jesus the sin of all of us. And that
each one turned away from his way that we are like strayed sheep, very
well defines the responsibility of each one. Truth, of course, of course,
thinking of Augustine' s theology, of course there is an indelible reality
and it is the fact that we sin because we are sinners, but because
we are sinners, we also teak and the great sin of man you just
said it in a language that is not philosophical, thanks to God, but
it is in biblical language, that it has no ap abstractions, that is
full of concretions. And here we are presented, therefore, the reality of
the way, the way as the direction of our life, our trajectory.
Each one goes his way, because the way of God is despised, is
despised, less valued, and in that scar each on our side, for
we will find many traps in the ways that we ourselves undertake, because it
is necessary to bear in mind that the evil one in which many today do
not want to believe, for he is an expert in falsifying everything that God
has done and everything that God has asked of us and in a very stealthy
way, he seeks to move God out of our life in man in those
ways that the prophet says, each one undertaken and has gone astray, for
he does not find the way back now. It' s something because on
every road, there' s definitely a point of no return. As the
pilots say in aviation when they talk about the point of no return, they
have consumed more than half of the combustible and have traveled more than half of
the project and now they can no longer return. They can' t go
back to the point of origin because they won' t get there and we
have to move on. And of course, that is the unbridled race of
society in which we see that they do not believe that there is a chance
to return to that point where the separation took place and each one embarked on
his way. And that' s a mistake. That is the great deception
of the evil one, the great deception of satan and other rebukes, for
God, in his mercy, allows every man, man, man and woman,
of course, at any moment in his life, at any moment,
to turn around. That is, here there is no point without return and
there are no points without return, because God, in his mercy, is
always waiting for us to turn around, which is what it means to truly
repent, to turn around, to meet the God who receives, who welcomes,
who forgives, who cleans and who puts us a new nature, a
new vision, to be able to contemplate life in another way, to be
able to understand what otherwise cannot be understood, and to see that the will
of God, if you want to call them and the will of God or
call them the bossess let us call them. In short, what he has
for us is something that, from that moment on, from the moment we
turn around on that unbridled path, becomes something that we long for, that
we desire and that the grace of God, that loving favor always undeserved on
our part, will enable us to walk in that new life. That'
s definitely the way it is, Joachim, we' re talking about sin.
It is a moral problem, deeply spiritual, that affects all the orders
of human life and that we see it, we can give it the name
we want. But the problem is still what it is. It is the
problem of the bad world, of the evil that is born in the human
heart, and that materializes in concrete actions that have a million different names.
How the problem of sin, personal sin, and sin in the world can
be solved. What is the solution to the great problem of human sin,
because we have to remember all those who have surely learned it or in childhood
or have learned it, and we have to even remind the Church of Jesus
Christ itself, of which we are part of the church with all the other
family surnames that can be given. Jesus Christ did not come to look above
sin, to look in another direction or to justify sin, but he came
as a lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.
So this is very important today sadly, in many Christian circles. You know
that perfectly well and many of our listeners know it and some have suffered and
suffer it. Cheap grace is being preached. A gospel is being preached to
give many palms, to sing much and little more. A grace is being
taught which is a justification of sin. There is no justification for sin.
We can read the Bible back and forth and we can review every text and
we will never find anything to indicate the justification of sin. Those who are
justified by the grace and mercy of God are sinners. And God’ s
justification for us is very distorted in our day. Very distorted because they are
very much ignoring that justification by faith is not the stoppage Justification by the faith
of Christ is not to cover sin, but to uproot it from our life.
Jesus is the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
There is a text in the new Testament, perhaps unread, that says
the one who is powerful to keep us from falling. Then, when in
Christian circles. Sin is constantly being justified by that phrase of good. Nobody
' s perfect. Sadly we also hear it within Christian circles. Indeed perfect.
We are not in the aesthetic sense, but the Lord has put us
on a path of perfection. He wants to perfect us. And to perfect
ourselves is to fill ourselves with his holy spirit, to fill us with his
love, to show us the blessing of his commandments, his precepts, and
his secrets. Naturally, that we will not be justified by God for walking
that good way, but are justified by the faith of Christ that is imputed
to us, is attributed to us and in this way we can undertake that
path, we can live in another way. It is the Lord who provides
a great deal of means for us to overcome sin. We are told that
we are far from the whole armor of truth, because sin has its origin
in lies and envy, in pride, that we are ready from the height
of righteousness, the righteousness of the Lord, that we take up the shield
of faith, that we put on our head, the helmet of salvation,
that we may tread our feet with the Gospel of peace. Sometimes we think
in many Christian circles wrongly that the Gospel is for others. The Gospel is
first for us, because no one can give what he does not have,
and that we take the sword of the spirit, which is the word of
God with which we will be able to put an end to all obstructions and
all the entanglements of sin and on that road by which we win the victory
over sin in our lives. And the merits of that victory, of course,
are only unique and exclusively of our Lord Jesus Christ, on that Cross
of Calvary, where he bore our sin and where he replaced us with love
and where he shed his blood, which is the one that cleanses us from
sin. There he is, finally, taking the question away, because dear
friend Joaquin, Joaquin, thank you. It is the sin of a religious
lie. I believe it has become clear that for some it could become an
apparent religious lie, but it is a divine judgment on evil and there is
also a divine solution to this problem of sin. And it is Jesus Christ,
the son of God and his death, his death on the cross is
a saving death that saves us and makes us new people. Dear Joaquin,
it has been a pleasure to hear for me a joy also great and a
pleasure to hear you Julio, to congratulate you on your wonderful radio, for
your ministry and for the friendship that unites us. Thank you, dear friend,
a very affectionate hug, Joaquin, so long. See you all the
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