Hello, and welcome to side Quest. This is our weekly video game show
here at Date First. I'm your host, Dylan. I have with me
Bastion Boy himself, Taylor Field. How are you doing, my friend,
I'm doing good, happy to be here, happy to talk about today's topic.
I'm looking forward to this so m hyeah. Yeah, it should be
a fun show. We're mostly gonna be talking about Marvel Rivals, which is
the latest Marvel game announced, and we're gonna do like a fun kind of
comparing that to Overwatch because it looks very freaking similar, and we're gonna compare
and contrast some characters and talk about the trailer and all that. So I
should be fun. We'll talk about the games we've been playing. We're doing
a little draft check in, I will say also today we're recording the on
April first, the worst day to try and find additional topics for the show,
because I'm out here googling. I'm all these video game websites. I'm
saying like, oh, a Ghostbuster's Lego game was announced, and it's like,
oh no, that was a that was a joke, all this other
you know, every website, Yeah, every website is posting their their funny
jokes, you know, today and it was just a mess. The worst
day to be hunting down news for a show. I gotta say, yeah,
it's a bad day to post an episode on Crypto Clues too, because
people like, oh, this is all fake, Like yeah, no way
to defend yourself on that. But I was looking at that and I was
like, man, I like Ghostbusters. I don't know if that would make
a good Lego game, Like I don't know if there's a ton of characters.
I don't know if the characters would really have distinct move sets, Like
do you because you're more knowledgeable that series than I am. I just saw
the Newest movie, But I don't know, do you think they would make
for a good Lego game? Like I guess they took other ones like Incredibles
doesn't have a ton of characters, but they did a whole game of that,
so I'm sure they could make it work. But it seems like it
seems like it'd be cool and like a Warner Bros. Like crossover serve game.
But I don't know if a full Lego game would work for something like
that. That's tricky. Yeah, I mean I would equate it to probably
Lego Jurassic World, and some of the characters that you can play as are
pretty basic, like scientists and like right, dinosaur handler kind of stuff like
that, those kind of Indiana Jones right as well. There's probably not tons
of characters because that was even before Dial of Destiny and stuff, So I
guess they've done Lego games that have smaller rosters, but I just think of
like Star Wars and Marvel that have like two or three hundred characters or something
like that. So but yeah, anyway, I got I got a little
tripped up by that, But yeah, it's gonna be a fun show.
What do we got for shout outs? You know, join the discord where
we had a discussion about Marvel's rivals when that was announced. It was fun
to see everyone's takes on that. You can hop over the Patreon to get
episodes early and add free and vote on various polls, and especially right now
is good because we one thing we're doing in summers, we're doing a twenty
twelve Golden Geeks and people can go in there and vote for movies they want
us to watch for that as well, so all sorts of fun things.
You are a lot of interactivity, I should say with the patreons, that's
a good thing to do. What else are we doing? We did,
we did me and you did a gods Olver's Kong or sorry, gods will
X Kong review. I always mess up when I say it. The other
day. It's the season of X So you know, more Marvel stuff.
Go check out our marvels or our X Men ninety seven weekly reviews that we're
doing. Halo's done now, that's long gone at this point. That's way
in the dust trail on the back there. You know, we got a
weekly newscasts and all that kind of fun stuff. So lots, what's going
on? Any other shout outs from you, mister Field? Oh? I
mean, the only other thing I could think of is I mean, obviously,
we've got so many movies coming down. The pipeline came in, the
planting the apes. We got an early screening, so might be reviewing that
a few days early. How early is it? I think it was two
days. That's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's not a week,
but two days. It's a day more than Fall Guy. That's true,
that's true. That's an improvement. Yeah, cool, Yeah, of retros
and movies coming out in the next couple months here, which is nice because,
honestly, in terms of game releases, especially when I was, you
know, looking at planning out the rest of April for side Quest, I'm
like, man, there's nothing releasing that I'm picking up and looking through these
lists, I don't think anyone else's on here at Diversus like picking up any
of these games. So I have a lot of fun topics that have been
sitting in the backlog, so I think we'll bring those out this month,
and of course we'll make some fun show. We'll always make it fun and
interesting. But yeah, I one thing, so let's get right into it.
The first thing I want to do actually is do a check in of
our draft, because it's been I think a month at least since we've checked
in, and there's been a lot of game releases on it. So if
you forget back in January and every January we do a draft where we all
pick five video games and then we're looking at the Metacritics score and then we're
going to compare who has the best rated games by the end of the year.
I'm currently last places, which is classic for me. In this draft
because I only have one game out right now, which is Final Fantasy seven
Reworth, But very soon helled By two is gonna come out, so that'll
be a new one on my list, and then the rest of my stuff
is like months from now, if not, might be in the Repick territory
in terms of not even coming out. So I'm still in last. Kirkland
has two games on his list now. He had Southport South Park snow Day
come out, sitting at fifty six for the five version. Not no good,
not a great start for him, the guy who won the first year
we did this draft. Uh, not looking great for him over there.
Oh that Uh, that stings. I've heard. I've heard pretty bad stuff
about that game. So maybe, uh does he know? Does he know
this? I don't think he knows yet. I'll have to. I'll have
to surprise attack them next time he's on se Quest. That was his first
pick too, now that I'm looking at it, so yikes, that might
be the That might be the worst rated first pick ever in the history of
the draft. And then he also had a Rise of Rona come out,
which is sitting at a nice seventy six, so that's much better. The
rest of his games are waiting in the wings, so he's above me at
the very least, because I mean, two games, no matter what,
it's gonna get you over one game unless they're really that bad. But yeah,
South Park not a great review there, and then it's really once again,
it has been the whole year a very tight race between you and Travis.
Right now, Travis is at a total of three hundred and twenty points
because Peach Showtime came out with a seventy four, he already had like a
Dragon of eighty six, Holdover was two at eighty three, and Position Pacific
Drive at seventy seven, so he's looking pretty solid right now. His last
game is Indiana Jones, which I think is a good chance of like at
least eighties. You know, that's a good, uh reputable studio there,
and I think that's definitely coming out this year. So looking like a pretty
decent list for him. But Taylor, you currently have him beat. You
have a three hundred and twenty six points. You have six points more than
him, so you are you previously Marverus dot Kong at seventy seven points,
tech An eight to eighty nine, which is your really good one Dragon's Dogma
two has come out now, that's at an eighty eight on the Xbox version.
I think there's been a lot of controversy with like mostly the PC version,
but maybe I don't know if that's dropped. Honestly, it could have,
because I know that game's taking a definitely negative swing in the news cycle.
But you could double check that feeling. I mean, I'm always gonna
check these numbersain at the end of the year. But then you also quietly
had Terminator Dark Fight come out, which I didn't not even realize that was
out. Forgot it was on your list, forgot it was a game at
all until recently, and that came out a few weeks ago at seventy two.
So yeah, like Dragon's dog one, Tech and eight were really really
good ones for you, the other two not so much. And then your
last one's Warhammer forty K Space Marine two coming out and I think September,
so a little while to wait for that, but and who knows how that
one's gonna do. So you're in a decent spot. But Travis is right
on your tail and Indiana Jones, I don't know if it's really really great.
It could it could bump them over top of you. I gotta say,
I just froze. I'm sorry, did you miss everything I said?
I just missed. I'm so sorry. I heard I heard you like yeah,
Terminator, Dark Fate and then I then it like crash. It's like
it's all good. Well, I see that you have the draft open so
you can see where the points lie. But yeah, how are you feeling
about Warhammer being your last pick versus Indiana Jones's traps last pick? Like?
Do you think that six point lead for you is gonna be enough to clinch
out the victory here? Because who knows with Warhammer, right, who knows
what's gonna turn that. I don't know what the Warhammer community is like,
yeah, that's that's anybody's card, I mean for me, Like, I
was definitely concerned about the Terminator pick, but that's seventy two. I'll take
it. That's that's pretty dang good. Uh Dragon's Dogma. I'm very happy
that worked out because I remember I was struggling for picks when we're getting down
to those yeah, those ones there, but uh yeah, hopefully Warhammer just
does something because the six point lead is not gonna do it unless any of
Jones gets five points, but I don't think it's gonna go that that low,
So now I was just double checking. I think Dragon's dumba actually did
drop a couple points down to eighty six, so that makes it even closer.
And once again, I haven't double fact checked all these numbers again because
I don't want to do that every single month because these numbers changed often.
But I dropped you two points, so now it's even closer. Four points
difference between you and Travis Borring me double checking all these scores. But yeah,
very very close. So that's gonna be fun to keep an eye on.
We should have more. Actually, I don't think there's really any releas
is gonna update the draft until like the summer, so we're gonna be sitting
pretty for a bit here. You can hold on to that number one slot
for the probably first half of the year and then and then things will get
interesting again in the summer. So fun to always check in on that.
God damn that south Park rating. That's so bad. I feel I feel
bad for our boy Kirkland. Okay, let's let's talk about the games we've
been playing. And first I'm gonna throw it to you, because I don't
need to shill potion problem today because you have played it and you wanted to
talk about it, So uh, tell the people and be brutally honest.
How how is my game? I think your game is wonderful. I think
it's absolutely delightful for me. The score combined with the aesthetic, it's just
so it's so fulfilling. I felt like I was just swept away and I
was just really I was just absorbed into into what I was doing. I
was really having a good time, and it reminded me of just this with
how simple it was. It just had a nostalgic vibe for me, like
I was I was a young gamer again, and I was really really enjoying
it. It just feels like this is something you could sink so much time
into. Like two hours goes by and you're like, oh my god,
I didn't realize that much time went. But because you're just you're you're enjoying
it, You're having fun, and I'm really happy with how how you you've
executed this and and how the little animations you've included to are really really enjoyable,
whether it's like your knife you're chopping or you're stabbing or you just like
cutting apart different ingredients. Is very satisfying because when I was breaking things apart,
but oh, I can I can like break this apart like the spider.
I can break more into like different parts and stuff like that, use
the parts differently. I like that. That's a lot of cool little details
that you've included. I found one thing that I don't know if it's a
glitch, and it's completely irrelevant, but it's just for me. Sometimes I'm
just weird when I'm on the computer and I'll be like left clicking. Sometimes
my my ring finger will just like tap my right click button. I don't
know if it's because I just I just have like energy or something like that.
When I when I click on it, I noticed that the potion's ingredients
book would flip all the way to the last page m and then have to
like cycle back to the page I was on to see the ingredients and stuff.
Okay, so I got a couple tips for you. So yeah,
if you if you right click the book, like on the right or left
page, it'll automatically take you to the front or back so you can quickly
get there. But then also you can write click anything any ingredient, any
potion, recipe, any tool, and it'll immediately take you to that page
in the book. So yeah, I eventually I added that pretty late,
but it was just getting to a pint where there's so many pages that it
took so long to find things, and I want to be able to people
to will to quickly reference things. So that way, if you're making a
potion, you can be like, I want to go to the page for
this ingredient because I'm forgetting something. But then you don't have to like find
the potion again, so you can just write click on all that stuff.
So yeah, if that does happen and you wanted to get back to your
potion page, just right click on that order and then we'll take you back
to that page in the book. So yeah, so that I understound what
you were doing there. But yeah, hopefully now that you know that,
you know. It's funny that that feature I've added and I tried to like
type tutorialize it in so many different spots because people seem to miss it,
and clearly I've still like failed at that. So I need to think about
another way that I can teach that to the player, because that's a that's
a very very important thing, really convenient. But it's also like maybe that's
something you don't you don't maybe don't need it in the first like two or
three levels, so you kind of forget that it exists. So yeah,
I got it. That's a good thing to bring up because now I got
to think of a new way that I can kind of remind people to use
that feature. But yeah, I'm glad you glad you brought that up.
Thank you for all those kind words. That's uh, that's very sweet.
I'm glad that you like the esthetic. That's that's definitely a part that I've
been maybe maybe not nervous the right word, but like I really didn't start
doing pixelart until like recently, so I I you know, some in some
of my sprites, I'm like, I look at them, I'm really happy
with them, and other ones I'm like, eh, it's kind of the
best I could do for today. So I'm glad that you like it.
And of course, yeah, I'manda's music is fucking incredible. I'm so uh
so happy that that that's in there. And I think that helps add to
the that nostalgic factor that you that you mentioned that was definitely something we discussed
when she was making the music, so I'm glad that that that has come
across as well. That's cool. No, you should be absolutely super proud
of yourself. I think it's it's a lot of hard work and I feel
like the passion is definitely there when you play this game. So I really
can't recommend it enough. I mean, if you're if you're on Steam,
make sure you wishless this game. It's it's fan freakantastic. I didn't even
have to say today look at it. Have you thought about doing like because
I know you have like different different types of bonus levels and in the main
campaign and whatnot, have you thought about doing like a timed trial? There
are three time trial levels in the bonus levels, and you unlock them pretty
late, like I forget which the first time, but there's three different ones.
You unlock them by beating campaign levels, so you do unlock three of
them later on. I did think about other bonus objectives that would be on
like each level and like time, having like a timer for each of them.
Ultimately, I decided I didn't really want that to be like what the
game was about. I didn't want you to feel like that pressure of time,
but I still wanted that to be an element, so instead of yeah,
I just did it through like three specific levels, and I'm pretty happy
with them. I think they're really like well set up, like you have
to make a lot of posh or orders and orders to come through after certain
amounts of time of times too, so it gets pretty chaotic. So that's
a fun way to kind of see that. So if you want to try
those and you haven't gone to that point in the unlocking, you haven't unlocked
them, you can just I mean in that version you have, you can
just like immediately unlock the levels and you could go check it out, or
you'll unlock it at some point by getting through the campaign. So yeah,
there's a little bit of that in there. But yeah, I've heard that
from a few people actually that they want to maybe try that out, So
I don't know, maybe that's something to consider in the future. Is adding
more like time bonus badges or rewards you could get for doing the levels quickly?
Cool? Well, thank you so much for that. Yeah, once
again, people go check it on Steam. Don't have releasedtay yet, working
on it hopefully pretty soon, I'll say before summer. That's what I'll say.
That's what I'll say for the release there. Right now, the game's
pretty much done. I'm just trying to wait to get a little bit more
feedback from Taylor and other people play testing so I can fix up those issues
that people have before it goes live. But yeah, you can also also
check out the have an Instagram and Twitter page for it. You can check
those out if you want to get more updates and see some other stuff as
well. The trailers out there now of course you can go check that out
see what looks like. And thank you to everyone who's already wish listed it.
So far, numbers are doing pretty good on Steam. I'm happy with
it so far. So yeah, yeah, me and you have also been
playing OLS Trials. I don't know if you wanted to add on any thoughts
beyond our review from a couple of weeks ago, but that's been I've been
really enjoying that, going in the harder levels. Some of them are so
freaking hard, but I like it. I like the different kind of challenge
it poses over the first round of levels. Mm hmm, yeah, I've
I've been enjoying it thoroughly. I'm glad that we've been playing. And even
though I know there's some new stuff coming to Call of Duty that Travis has
been excited for, I'm hoping that we still invest time into this game because
I've gotten enough tickets to release another agent, and I'm going to try and
grind it and release three of them so I can unlock the next harder tier
because I really want to try that with you guys. I've been having a
lot of fun going through this, and I played a little bit yesterday afternoon
before all the Eastern stuff was kind of hitting the fan, but I managed
to first of all, managed to get all four of us, me and
three of the random's got a pluses across the board. It was a premn
Yeah, it's crazy. And then other things too that I unlocked was You're
It was a tool amp and so your night vision recharges automatically when not being
used, which is huge. I absolutely love that. That's an alternative to
like the slippers one, so really really handy to have. Right there was
There's another one I unlocked too that's really freaking good. Once you hit like
that twenty eight to twenty nine mark and I start to feel like, okay,
the amps are starting to get more powerful, like really really good.
Nice. Yeah, and I've almost gotten all my prescriptions unlocked. I have
two more I have to unlock, but yeah, I'm just trying to get
as much as I collectively can done so that way, the that solo mission,
I can kind of breeze through those because those ambles are just nightmare.
So do you know, do you know if it's the same mission just like
harder when you do that again? Okay? Yeah, and you get different
endings every time you do it, right, So hopefully since you've kind of
it before, I mean, I know, I'm sure there's yeah, other
differences different enemy types or different doors are locked and whatnot, but hopefully it'll
be easier know that you kind of know what to expect to some extent,
Yeah for sure. Yeah. No, I've been enjoying that too. It's
been a lot of fun. I even if Ecology's got this new update,
I hope we keep playing it because I still have much I want to do
in it. And as you mentioned there, like the upgrades and unlocks get
really fun, and I think that just kind of keeps branching out more from
that initial uh stuff. So that's been really fun to just every level up
feels meaningful in that game, which is cool because for a game like that
like that, they don't really need that kind of thing, honestly, like
at all, but the fact that they do have it, I think it's
just a nice sense of progression makes you want to keep playing. Other than
that playing a lot of the same old stuff you suck at Parking, which
I talked about last week with Kirklve and then Solitary Conspiracy a couple of weeks
ago, just really fun enjoying both of those, but the main game on
want just shout out this week, this is an old game, this is
a favorite game, Super Smash Brothers. Melee for the Nintendo game Cube,
of course, my favorite game of all time. Realized that I probably have
not talked about Melee much in like the side Quest era, and that's because
I haven't been playing a whole lot of it. But for anyone who's new
or it doesn't know, I've been playing competitive Melee for like Taylor's been like
ten years. I started in twenty fourteen, so we're getting to like a
decade of competitive melee in my life, which is kind of crazy that the
time has been flying in that way. But yeah, like I said,
I haven't really been playing much recently. Ever since like COVID hit and then
I moved to Vancouver. I just never really got back into it in a
major way. But I went to Battle of BC six over the weekend,
which was a really really fun tournament. It was a huge tournament, had
like all the big names from Melee, which was really cool. I was
happy that I won a couple sets. I didn't. He didn't know after
all these years, you know, like how rusty I would be, But
yeah, I did end up winning a couple sets. I got to play
against a player named Soon Say, who's like somewhere ranked in the top like
twenty twenty five in the world, Like he's one of the best players in
the world currently is. It was really fun to play against him, even
if, like I go into it, I know I'm gonna lose to him,
but it's still like it's a fun opportunity to get to play against like
a known player like that. So so that was good. And then yeah,
like, honestly, not one of my favorite players won the tournament,
but he's he played really well, so you know, I'm not too mad
about it, but it was just so great to see like just such high
level Melee. It was fun to get back into it and just play matches
with some random people too, And it was just so much fun to jump
in the back into that game because it's not like I forget how good it
is. But when i play it again and I'm just in there and I'm
at a setup with someone, I'm playing on a CRT, and it's like,
there's no game that feels even halfway as good as Melee feels. It's
just such like the amount of control you have, the depth of mechanics,
it's insane. And I just even at this tournament and in watching all these
high level matches, it's seen like multiple things I've never seen before. Certain
columbos are, certain interactions. Just goes to show how deep this game is.
I've played for thousands of hours and I'm still seeing new shit that I've
never seen before. It's really really crazy. So that was such a great
time and it's it's also it's cool to see because I've been to all these
BATTLEBC this is like a tournament series six obviously the sixth to one. I've
been all of them except for last year, because last year happened when I
was in Europe, but it just it started in like a small like small
well, a pretty big classroom, but like at UBC, the fact that
this whole tournament was happening in like a classroom and then there's like one in
like a gym, it's kind of like, okay, it's a bit dingy.
And now it's at the Vancouver Convention Center. It's like this huge venue,
really beautiful at the waterfront. Like it's just so cool to see how
much they've grown this tournament series. Is so happy for those guys, really
great team setting it up over there. So so yeah, man, Melee
still the best game ever, can confirm after playing a bunch more of it
in the last week. It makes me want to go to more tournaments and
stuff because the Vancouver seene is so much bigger than Klona two. So that
was always a good, like a secondary reason that maybe wanted to move to
Vancouver. Now that I'm here, I haven't really been taking advantage of it.
So yeah, it makes me want to get back into back into Melee
some more so is it a is it a variety of mains across the whole
tournament or are people kind of sticking to usually like the same characters because they
know these characters excel over others. How does that work? What do you
see there? So for Melee specifically, i'd say, so there's twenty six
characters in the game, I'd say about ten to twelve of them are like
good enough to win a tournament, and a tournament of this scale, maybe
you'd shrink that number down to like six or seven characters, I suppose.
But yeah, like even even in those characters that are just that tier below,
like they can still do really well. It's just like, you know,
I've never seen like an ice climbers it went a huge major tournament,
but a lot of them have placed top eight at huge events like over and
over even got like second or third, like really high placements before. But
yeah, it's it. I think it's crazy that sometimes Melee has more because
top eight that's kind of like where we look at for like that's like the
major point of the tournament. Usually that's like reserved a Sunday, you play
up until top eight, and that's like if you made top eight, you're
like one of the best in the world kind of thing. And it's not
rare for Melee to have more character diversity in it than Ultimate in the top
eight, which is pretty insane for a game that old, and considering Ultimate
has four times ish as many characters as Melee does. But yeah, you'll
like you'll almost always see a Marth, almost always see a Fox or a
Falco jigglely Puff. But then this one also had there was a Captain Falcon
in there, Yoshi Yoshi. Currently there's only one guy who plays Yoshi at
the high level, but he's just so freaking good that he wins tournaments and
it's it's insane because Yoshi is such a weird character. But Peach is really
good. I played Falcon at this tournament, who's always been my kind of
go to. There's also chicin Top eight. So yeah, Top eight had
like six or seven or eight characters, which is pretty cool to see.
So yeah, there's there's really good character diversity in Melee, considering it is
an older game with such a developed meta. But also, yeah, a
game that like only has as many characters as it does the fact that that
percentage of them are kind of relevant is pretty cool to see. That's yes,
even because mm hmm, I went with my friend Megan who he's actually
appeared on side quest once for the Diaulu review. He joined me for that,
so he's been on here. He he's also been playing Melee for almost
ten years as well, and he in his bracket he had play against a
game and Watch, which is like a very like one of the worst characters
in the game. But because he's one of the worst characters, no one
really plays him, and so like me and him, like most people don't
really have much experience against game and Watch. This is like that surprise factor
to it as well. And so he lost the first game against the game
and Watch, and like, you don't want to lose to a bad character,
you know, because that doesn't look good. But also it's like,
yeah, when's the last time you've practiced against the game and Watch. But
then he switched to to Chic from Fox and Sheik is like really good at
just crushing the low tier like the bad characters. I could explain why,
but I don't. I don't need to get in all that detail. But
he switched to Chic and then clutched it out in games two and three,
and game three was like so close, like a last hit, last doc
situation, so it was it was really fun to watch him play these matches
as well. So yeah, so it was a Melee if anyone wants,
like, the Slippy online is really really good. It's like some of the
best online for any fighting game out there. Is it totally legal, No,
but you should go play it anyway because you can't buy the game legally
anymore, so there's no nothing holding you back. So yeah, go play
some Slippy. Get back into Melee because Melee is so sick still twenty three
years later. Yep, there you go, there's Melee. What else?
I don't think I have anything else in the games I've been playing sections,
So maybe we'll take our first break here. We'll come back and we will
get into Marvel's rivals. We'll be right back. Okay, we are back.
So it's crazy because last week on the podcast, me and Kirkland talked
about marvel nineteen forty three year Rise of Hydra. I'm never gonna like saying
that name. It's just does not roll off the tongue, which of course
was announced like a year year and a half ago. That's like that,
that's that King Captain Soldier Spy game, right, But that had a new
trailer and it finally got its title and all that more information came out about
So we talked about that last week. It's crazy. Just a few days
later, Marvel's Rivals was announced. This game has not been known about,
maybe it was leaked or something like that, but this is a hero shooter,
third person shooter six v six action game, so it's really it's essentially
overwatched. Its essentially an Overwatch or Team Fortress two, but with Marvel characters,
which is not a genre we've seen for Marvel right off the bat,
Like, how spoiled are we as Marvel fans, Taylor, Like, we
get so many fricking games and even though like not a lot of them are
doing super well, which is sad to see when they eventually do come out.
But just I was just thinking about it, and like, you know,
we had Midnight Suns, which is like this great Tactics game. We
had that nineteen forty three game coming out, an Iron Man game, a
Black Panther game are currently in development that we know about. Marvel snaps pop
off. You know, not everyone loved Marvel's Avengers, but we had that
Ultimate Nights three. Recently, you get like a spider Man game, overy
two years of Wolverine games coming out, that Guardian's game that was really great,
just so much stuff to play, and so I think it's cool that
it seemed like in our discord not a lot of people were hyped about this
or didn't like the idea. But for me, it's like we have so
many single player games or like smaller co op games that I love this idea.
I can't wait to have just like a multiplayer focus competitive Marvel game Overwatches
like in the dumps right now. So I think it's like a perfect time
for this because I love Overwatch, or I did love Overwatch, but I'm
not super into it these days. I think this is a good way to
like kind of get me back in that genre playing some more. So I'm
pretty excited for this. We got a trailer for we saw some gameplay,
and then we have a bunch of characters and what not to break down.
But yeah, what did you think of the trailer for this? Are you
impressed looking forward to it or do you think you'll be passing on this one?
I'm interested. I am just flabbergasted how carbon copy seems to be from
Overwatch, even like when you get the kills and your little like radical toggle
that appears like so many little minor details, and the mechanics, the catch
phrases everything. While it is definitely Marvel themed, it feels very much like
this is originated from what overwatches. So I agree with what you said,
Overwatch being down the dumps right now, this is being a great time to
swoop in and take the day. I think that this game will do very
well. I do not see it not succeeding. I think that people are
always just craving for that next streamable competitive esports game, and I think this
is definitely gonna be taking the cake for that, especially with Overwatch kind of
taking a backseat. You even think in a world where Midnight Suns like kind
of flopped and Avengers Live service online game kind of flopped, Guardians of the
Galaxy game didn't like sell very well, you still you feel much more solid
about this one than you do those games. I do. Yeah, and
just because again the competitive factor that's involved with this title, and just the
way that watching the trailer and seeing like, yeah, this is this is
very much like that spiritual successor to Overwatch and Overwatch just it tipped it.
It did great, and people that aren't even necessarily Marvel fans are gonna look
at this and be like, hey, I'll jump into this. It looks
like a fun, competitive shooter, and they'll they'll get hooked. These types
of games are very hookable. M hmm. Yeah, it remains to be
seen what the pricing model of this game is. I have to imagine it's
free to play, with like micro transactions at the Yahoo for uh for you
know, character skins, and obviously Marvel's has a plentiful amount of costumes and
skins you can use and catch phrases and Fortnite dances and all the stupid stuff
that you can unlock and pay for. So I'm sure that's what it will
be. I think Overwatch two is a free to play game at this point,
right, even though Overwatch one was a purchaseable game back in the day.
I think sometime in the Overwatch life spent it converted, right. But
yeah, it's definitely it's pretty on the nose that it's It's just it's Overwatch.
This game has been to by net Ease, which is kind of a
weird studio or I guess company, because they're kind of a publisher kind of
a developer. They have other games, and it's like it's hard to know
exactly like which games net E's specifically developed versus which ones they were like support
studios on or just a publisher on. But looking at some of the other
games, apparently they're working on like a Harry Potter game coming up. They
did two Marvel games. They did a card game, not Snap, but
another one, and then they also made the Marvel Moba, like the League
of Legends DODA like that I don't think is playable in North America. I
think it's like only in China or select countries. So they've worked on Marvel
stuff before, which is a good sign. They did Dead by Daylight Mobile
randomly, I guess they did that port, which is interesting. Worked on
Diablo Immortal, so they have worked on all sorts of different games and often
working with other ip and specifically Marvel as well. I think the Moba is
a really good one to point to in terms of like designing a character moves
thatt MOBAs usually have characters with poor abilities. SODA's Overwatch and this game also
has characters with four ail so I think in a lot of that they can
probably even just like one to one grab a character and like they're design from
a game like that and kind of poured it over to what it would be
like in a shooter version. So I think it's probably a pretty good studio
to make this kind of thing. But I also haven't really played, like
I guess technically, I've played a bit of Diablo Mortal, but that's like
about it, and I don't even know if they were the primary developer on
it, so somewhat of an unknown quantity, but I think maybe a good
pick. Let's talk about some of these differences from Overwatch, so big one
being that this is third person instead of first person, which I think is
a good call for Marvel stuff in general. We've seen like a lot most
Marvel games, and especially games when you're playing like known characters who tend to
go to the third person route because then you can see them more. And
so it is like people were mad when Indiana Jones's first person or people are
like on the fence. I guess Blade is a third person game, even
though Arcanes made first person games before, so I think it just goes to
show that that's kind of like a thing to do for like a Marvel type
game, so that's a slight difference. It is six v six, which
Overwatch of course started as, but then transition to five v five. I
think with the release of Overwatch two is when that kind of switch over happened.
So I think it's actually a great thing to go back to a six
v six because people were always were mad about that change. I personally was
too. I think I think Overwatch was fine the way it is, and
you know, I was definitely out of the game for a while, so
I don't know how the meta changed and whatnot, But anyway, I think
that's a good change there. They showed off a bunch of these team up
moves, which is an interesting concept. This is this is no shocker for
like if you've played Ultimate Alliance before, it's very similar to that where two
characters use their abilities in conjunction with each other. So some of the examples
we saw were Rocket can jump on groots back and just kind of pop off,
which I think is very classic. That one makes a lot of sense.
Another weirder one is that Hulk can like shoot gamma radiation and iron Man
and then iron Man like that's what he was doing. Yeah, yeah,
it powers him up and then he like shoots stronger. I guess I'm a
beams, which is like really weird. I just I don't I don't ever
see a hole because like shooting gamma rays at people, especially like a green
kind of energy thing, it looks weird. And then the only other one
that I saw from the trailer was Luna Snow is a character I've never heard
it before, giving ice powers to name war and then nay, more like
shot out like an ice octopus. He has like it looks like you can
throw octopuses that are kind of like, God, what the hell's that character's
name from? I forget what her name is in Overwatch, but she like
shuts up, sets up little turrets, she can set up the teleporter.
That character do you know what I'm talking about. We'll get to it at
some point, but anyway, it looked a lot like that. I guess
in terms of I can throw down these octopuses and these ones like have ice
on them, so they probably slow your opponent. So those are some of
these synergies that we saw. I think it's a cool idea, but it
makes me curious, like how many of the characters are gonna have these sinners
because it doesn't seem like Groot necessarily has a synergy with every character. So
is it that they're trying to push like certain meta combos of characters and like
trying to make it so like, oh, if you play a team of
six Guardians of the Galaxy, then like they're gonna have a lot of synergies
together and that's a good team, even if like maybe their individual powers otherwise
don't necessarily synergize, Like maybe there's like more support characters than would make sense
in the team. I'm getting in the weeds there a little bit, But
I don't know if that's the idea there. But yeah, like what do
you what do you think of that idea? Because I know, and I
guess we're talking a lot about the comparison Overwatch and you've only played some Overwatch
whereas I've played a lot more. But yeah, what do you think about
the idea of like team up moves in a game like this? Yeah,
I mean it fits, like you said, Ultimate Alliance has done it.
Guardians of the Galaxy had team up Moose as well, did it not?
I think so. I didn't actually play that game, but I think it
did, and I'm assuming if there's a few other titles that have had that
kind of team up aspect, But yeah, as far as as far as
it goes overwatching me, yeah, it's always been. I mean, they
didn't have anything like that in there from what I recall. Yeah, I
mean nothing like specifically too, like Tracer and Zaria specifically doing a thing together.
But using that same example, like Zaria hasn't moved to pull a bunch
of people in and then Tracer could go and throw a grenade on him and
hit a bunch of people. So obviously there are synergies that exist, but
they're just not I guess phrase in that same way. And I think maybe
that just makes more sense for the Marvel Ip. But then yeah, but
then the question becomes like, how many does Rocket have? Is groot his
only power up ability that he has? If so, that would be maybe
a bit disappointing, that would be because then you're you're very limited. You're
if you're not playing with your friends and you're just hoping that people pick a
groot and if no one in your team picks a groot, then you can't
use that special ability. Yeah, I doubt that's a thing. I honestly
imagine that they've created some very innovative and creative combos for other characters. I'm
sure we could see an iron Man in a Groot or something like that,
or Rockets and a Hulk kind of combo, which would be very cool to
see what those are in the game. I guess if that was the case,
we'd have to just imagine that they're a bit more superficial, which they
could be like Hulk shooting Gamma at Ironman to him have a more powerful being.
Like in theory, we could just do that for every character. Every
character has some sort of ability that Hulk powers up when he shoots Gamma at
them, and so I don't know, like maybe I guess if they're simpler
like that, they're not really as engaging. But then also it's easier to
have a synergy with everyone, but I don't imagine everyone has a synergy where
they jump on Groots back and shoot guns from up there and the way Rocket
does. And also looking at those like okay, we'rock and Groot, two
Guardians, Hulk, Ironman, two Avengers. I don't know if Luna Snow
because I don't know anything about this character. And nay more or like related
in the comics in some way, and if they're tied to each other.
So I don't know if we should look at that as like evidence of like,
oh, characters that are kind of in the comics more so would have
specific synergies together, because once it's gonna that third example, I have no
idea if those characters connect at all in the comics. Yeah, I don't
know either. Yeah, but you make a make an interesting point there,
and I'm i feel like if you if you aren't able to access a group
to your rocket, you're still gonna have your your Overwatch like super ability equivalent,
right, I mean I don't remember seeing that really in the trailer,
but you're gonna have your superability, I assume, I think so. Yeah,
I'm guessing every character will have like have an ultimate move and then four
standard abilities, and some of those standards could be like a passive or something
rather than like an activated ability, but yeah, something like that. We
also saw Another change up is destructible environments, and I'm guessing this is gonna
be like, you know, more specific spots rather than like battlefield Bad Company
or something where you can like any wall you can destroy you know, I
don't think it's gonna be to that extent, but the examples we saw were
it was actually Loki as a black panther using this big black panther move and
destroyed a bridge. And the other one we saw was in that same example
with the gamma radiated iron man, he busted down this huge statue. So
I think that's a really cool idea, and I'm curious how much damage it'll
take to bust down some of these doors. But I think that's a cool
idea in terms of just changing up the strategy of Okay, maybe we're trying
to push this you know, payload across this area, but let's actually go
up first take out the bridge because that's a huge vantage point for the opponent,
so we want to do that before. So I think it adds some
really cool potential strategy to it, and so I'm excited to see kind of
the level of it. I'm expecting that maybe each map has like three or
four things that can be destroyed, but i'd love to be proven wrong on
that, and maybe there'll be smaller ones where like doors all over the place
can be destroyed, and then there's like bigger set piec ones, but then
there's smaller ones, certain walls and shortcuts and things that we'll see a lot
more of those. So yeah, that's an interesting idea. In terms of
the maps, this is something that I think the trailer really doesn't do a
great job of it. Maybe they just don't have a lot ready to go
or ready to show off. But we saw what I presume is Asgard.
It looks a lot like as Guard, and it actually looks a lot once
again that Overwatch comparison, looks a lot like Oasis or Nimbani like some of
these Overwatch maps, just in terms of like the art style of it,
and that was the only one in the trailer as far as I could tell,
it seemed like it was the same map in just different areas. And
then in the marketing we've seen like a japan looking location, so I don't
know what that is exactly, but you know, Overwatch of course has like
Hana Mura and these other like Japanese like sort of inspired maps as well,
so very similar comparisons there. But yeah, hopefully there are more maps,
especially at launch. We also don't know the release date of this. We
know that there's a beta, which I did sign up for, So we'll
see if I get into it. I don't even know if my laptop can
run it. I honestly lied about the specs that they asked for on the
form, So I'm hoping I can get in there and just try it out
and see. So I note about that. But yeah, hopefully there's a
lot more maps. I mean, there's gotta be, but hopefully there's like
they're in there pretty soon, because of course, Marvels not not short on
like iconic locations, and a lot of them you could really just copy like
what Overwatch has once again, So uh yeah, I excited to see what
other ones get announced. I'm sure we could based off certain characters that we're
seeing here and having ones inspired by the characters that are kind of big relevant
characters in the game. So excited to see some of that before we get
into the characters. Is there anything else about just the overall gameplay the trailer
that stood out to you. I mean, it's just I'm just still reeling
from the fact that it just looks so much like Overwatch. Yeah, but
you highlighted the fact that it is the difference of third and first person.
Being third person, I think is really really wonderful, and I think that's
what's going to gravitate me more towards this than that first person I wasn't a
huge fan of the first person vibes in Overwatch, which is I know it's
a fact what that is. Because you love Call of Duty of Halo.
I do, And I think that's why like Call Duty and Halo they feel
different and they feel h maybe it's just Call of Duty. Actually the way
Call of Duty is. I find that it's very intuitive and I can it's
it's it's it's so at this point the gameplayer. Yeah, and when I
play Overwatch, I feel like sometimes it can just be a little uh sluggish,
perhaps a little sluggish. Yeah, maybe that's why I like Bashion quite
a bit. I like just cruising around as him instead of little Turret Ryan
Hart as well. Like Ryan Hart, So I got a few characters that
I did you ever play a Team Fortress back in the day? No,
I missed that ship. Okay, Yeah, I think it's still like Team
Fortress too. I think it's still a pretty big deal on Steam. I
think it's actually free at this point we should jump into at some point.
I love that game that was super fun back in the day. Of course,
Overwatch kind of kind of copied that originally. I don't know if there
was a game that creates Team Fortress in terms of, yeah, the blueprint
of it, but show it's a Team Fortress. What a great game.
Okay, So what we're gonna do now is we're gonna look at the roster
of this game, which is currently sitting at I'm gonna call it nineteen characters.
There's one or two asterisks in there, but I'm gonna say it's nineteen
characters. This is also crazy because the last time I played Overwatch was with
Kirkland at some point. What I felt was recently, but I think it's
been a long time now because I realized there's so many characters I don't recognize.
It makes sense. I'n't actually played the game since Overwatch two came out,
and so obviously when the new game comes out, they are gonna have
like multiple characters associated with that. So there's a lot of big, new
flashy stuff there. But yeah, I've realized that. Man, I've been
out of the game for a while at this point. So as far as
my to my account here forty Overwatch characters and nineteen characters announced for this game
currently. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna like pick out the Marvel
characters in here, and we're gonna compare them. We're gonna give them like
a a a parallel character in Overwatch, and we're gonna try and chart this
out a little bit. And then once we've added all the Marvel characters that
are announced, we can chart some other ones in that would we think would
be similar to an Overwatch character that exists. So I don't know if we'll
get all forty Overwatch characters. We'll just see how much we can get here,
but I think it's a fun little thought experiment to be had. I
guess first we should say, which are the nineteen characters that are shown off
for this game so far? And those are Rocket Groot, star Lord,
Mantis, Black Panther, Iron Man, Hulk, Slash, Bruce Banner very
specifically not just Hulk, but you play as both of them. We'll talk
about that, Doctor Strange, Scarlet, Witch, nay More, Magneto,
magic Storm, Penny Parker, Spider Man, Luna, Snow Loki, Punisher,
and Galactis. I guess also right off the bat, What do you
think of that roster? Because there, you know, I love a good
oddball, curveball character. You got a couple of those in here. There's
obviously some big characters kind of missing, but you know, you want to
have characters to come out every couple of months, you know. But yeah,
what do you think this like opening roster? It's pretty powerful and impactful.
The fact that Galactus alone is in there kind of blows my mind.
Yeah, so that's the weird one where we never actually see Galactus gameplay,
and it's weird. It's like it's like a woman Galactus, like female Galactus
version, and she seems more like she's like part of the marketing. Like
at the end of the trailer, she's like turns around and like snaps her
fingers or something, and she's like looks like a regular sized person rather than
Galactus being massive. So I don't I don't know if she's gonna be a
playable character or if she's somehow just like a lower character or a story character
or like somewhere with a menu or something. Who's like maybe she's like the
one like that almost like the Beyonder like setting up this secret Wars sort of
fight between these characters remains to be seen, but I think this is a
really cool look for Galactus, you know, gal Lactus in a way.
I think it's really fun and I would love if she was playable character because
she looks really cool. I'd love to, yeah, because normally Galactys is
too big to be a playable character any of these kind of games. So
I think this is a good way to go about it. It's kind of
fun. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I think it's a decent roster.
Of course. I like that there's like a Penny Parker, Luna Snow
characters I've never heard of in there, and I like always want these games
to have a curveball or two, just like how Marvel's Suns had Nico Minoru
in there and Magic kind of some less popular characters. I think it's a
good call here. Surprised to see some other ones, Like I'm shocked that
Mantis is in this, Like opening roster seems like an interesting pick. The
I don't like nay Wars, maybe like kind of a weirder pick, but
I guess he makes sense. A big one for me is that, Yeah,
let's talk about this real quick. Bruce Banner and Hulk like that seems
like it's like a you have a button that turns you into Hulk. So
is it kind of like Diva and how she's exactly what I was thinking.
Yeah, she's like, you know, if you take out her armor,
she becomes just Diva like the characters. He's walking around with their little pistol.
But then you kind of go into the mech again and that's your main
version. I'm guessing it'll be something like that, but maybe it'd be a
bit different rather than just like a certain amount of damage hit. Maybe it's
just like a timer. But it's like, I'm really curious what you're gonna
do as as Bruce, Like I don't I don't think they're gonna give Bruce
a pistol like they did Diva, you know, like that would seem like
a weird deviation. Mm hmmm. I don't know what you could actually give
him. That's that's very very peculiar. Uh huh. So we'll keep an
eye. I mean, he's a scientist, so maybe like builds turrets or
something, but that would be like a weird thing to give ult for a
move set. So a weird choice there, but we'll we'll see how that
actually plays in game. You mentioned you mentioned your your boy bashing that was
your main in Overwatch. Is there a character from this roster or another Marvel
character that jumps out to you as like, Oh, that's who, That's
who I'd want my Bashi to be in in this game. Oh? I
honestly, I feel like a Groot or a Rocket might kind of like pull
me that way. Now, what about the move set is giving you that
vibe? Oh? I mean aside obviously from like the combo of them like
sacking up. But I feel like Groot I have to revisit because we didn't
really get this exactly what his moves were, like, we don't know if
he's Yeah, we didn't. I don't feel like we saw a ton of
like specific Groot gameplay. I feel like he's probably gonna be melee oriented.
I think maybe he could have well, no, he probably would only get
the guns featured when Rocket jumps on him. I feel like, and that
would kind of give him the long range capacity m hmm. So he'd be
probably up close and personal, I imagine, And I don't think he'd have
any kind of healing abilities for others but maybe because Bashan has that self healing
or ability, I forgot about that something Groot could have as well, which
I like being able to handle my own HP. So I like that idea
though. Of Like, Bashan's a character who kind of gets set up in
a spa and becomes almost just like a part of the map, like an
NPC almost he just becomes an active turret, And I feel like Grew could
have a similar thing where like using his roots, yeah, just like kind
of pile drives himself into the ground and become like a tank who just really
like sets up a wall, becomes just an obstacle in that same way.
So it's maybe a bit unconventional because grou doesn't necessarily have like a projectile,
But I actually think that's a good pick. So I think we should put
that on our little list here. You can fill these into if you want,
since we're looking at his dock. Okay, I like that my main
character in Overwatch, and I definitely played quite a few in my in my
day, but my go to my favorite was Zenyata. I love that guy
cool Robot. I like that he was a support character who could dish out
big damage, especially if you got like headshots and stuff like really really incentivizing
just that high skill ceiling, like the discord orb, the healing orb that
he has going on there. And to me in terms of like that inner
piece, the kind of like hovering part and like throwing these orbs and stuff,
I think Doctor Strange is kind of like the perfect one to one comparison
because I think Doctor Strange could have that healing element to it, could be
a bit simpler of a character floating there. I think Doctor Stranger would maybe
have more slightly more robastic plow powers than than Zanyatta has. But I think
that's a pretty close comparison to my book. Mm hmmm. I think that's
I think that's actually a really really good, good pitch, which I would
love because once again Doctor Stranger w on my favorite Marvel characters, Zanyada,
my favorite Overwatch character. That would be great if their moves that's were even
a couple moves in common I have. I remember I got the nutcracker skin
for Zenyata, and so he actually has the like what are the are they?
There's like Christmas nuts or whatever. They're not right, not the bells,
but chestnuts. Chest nuts. That's it. Yeah, the chestnuts are
like what he throws out, which is really really funny. Yeah. I
love the different orbs that you can get for Zenata in the game, for
sure. But I think that's a brilliant doctor d even pick. I think
that's that's fantastic doctor doctor doctors. Yeah. Okay, let's see, so
we got Groot here, we got doctor Strange, let's grab, let's grab
punisher. Punisher I think also has a very obvious one, and I think
that's Soldier seventy six, right. Oh wow, I was thinking Reaper to
be honest. Oh yeah, I guess seventy I think that actually could be
good too, because I think Reaper is like kind of maybe a bit slower
paced, and maybe his like range isn't quite the same. But yeah,
I think one of those two it has to be, right, I mean,
Reaper doesn't he teleport? I can't remember it is he he does have
a teleport? Yeah, he like kind of disappears into the shadows and he
like picks a spot and then kind of re reappears there, right, right,
So I don't know if that's very punisher like, but that's not Yeah,
Solar seventy six, what was disabilities. He's just he's just a guy
with a gun. He's just called duty mode. Like his his ultimate is
just aim bought. Literally, he just turns on his aim bought. I
I'm guarantee he as a grenade or something. I never really played it myself,
but I think he just yeah, mostly about the gun and like throwing
a grenade at people. So that fits. Should we do should we do
Reapers? Should we do soldier room? I'd say soldier Soldier fits. Okay,
so we're gonna call that punisher you can. You want to pick one
next pick from this list of contenders up here, let's see. I'm gonna
say Luna Snow. Okay, And immediately when I saw this character, I
immediately thought tracer. Ooh, that's interesting. Okay, she was like sliding
like coast through so yeah, because there's kind of two like Luna Snow's ice
based character. So the initial thought might be like, well, may obviously
an Overwatch because she has like the frost beam she freezes characters. But I
kind of like this idea, like if we put Luna as a tracer type
because she's yeah, a bit faster paste maybe juke and people out kind of
the range attacks as well, and then we can just make Iceman the equivalent
for me because that makes even more sense. Right there, we go kind
of a two for one, so let's do that. I think Iceman for
may is, I mean, the ice part of it makes a whole lot
of sense. I think, maybe you know, it's a bit of a
slower paced sort of character, almost like a bit of a tank, whereas
Iceman, you would think, would be a bit more of a dodging type
character, dodging in and out of attacks. So there might be slight differences
there, but yeah, thank you for helping type those ones in. Let's
see next up, who do we got? You know, Magneto as a
character, this is a this is maybe a weird one, maybe not as
as obvious. But if you go on the Overwatch characters, Taylor, you're
looking at this Sigma is a character that came out after I stopped playing.
But if you look at this guy, this guy looks like he's doing Magneto
stuff. He's like picking up bricks and I don't know stuff and he's hucking
them at people. He's floating there too. He's kind of an old man
as well, so he looks uh, he to me seems like a pretty
damn close equivalent in my mind celebrated astrophysicists. Okay, life Forever Change,
a failed experiment gave him the ability to control gravity. You know what I
feel like that fits? I mean gravity metal, you know, apples,
oranges oranges? Yeah? Cool, there we go. There's another one.
Okay, well, Hulk and Bruce Banner. So we talked about that Diva
comparison there, but is that is there any other similarity between them other than
the fact that there's kind of like this dual character element to it, because
I feel like, move set wise, they don't really make a lot of
sense as like equivalent characters. No, I guess not. I mean that's
Diva is exactly where my mind was going. Yeah, But because I have
I have another pitch for Diva and I'll bring that up later. But here's
my other thought for Hulk was his character named doom Fist. And I don't
know if you have seen doom Fist before, but this guy just has a
big arm that he like uses to block hits. He jumps in the air
and like smashes his huge fist into the ground, doing like shockwaves sort of
things, So to me, he seems like a Hulk type, and he's
not quite as bulky as other than the big arm. He's not quite as
on the size the scale of a Hulk, but I feel like moves out
wise, like I could just picture that being for Hulk, even though we've
seen that this Hulk is like more about shooting gamma at people, but I
think that could be a good close equivalent there. I've sold like his abilities
meteor strike, power block, seismic slam, rocket punch. These all sound
Hulk enough for me, m m, and then all just bring it up
now. So this is not one of the announced characters, but a character
called Armor. I don't know if you've seen her before, and the only
reason Nino voters because of the great Marvel Snap. But I think she's an
X Men related character and she essentially just like can put on this giant red
energy suit. And honestly, I don't know much beyond that in terms of
like how our powers work, because that's as simple as it gets in something
like Marvel Snap. But I was thinking she seems like character wise she could
be kind of similar. She's got the armor element of it that could be
like a temporary thing that could go on and off, So I kind of
like that. I don't know if she has much of a range attack in
the way that Diva does, but otherwise I think she's kind of similar.
Yeah, I mean looking at photos of her and how she's just kind of
armored up. This definitely gives me Diva vibes a lot more than Bruce Banner
and Hulk, that's for sure. Yeah, definitely. What do you think
about Spider Man in this game? Did you catch that kind of section with
him in the trailer? Yeah, he just managed to do like this super
stun all across the board, shooting a lot of web out there. Yeah.
I don't know if he has a swing though. That's the one thing
that seemed a bit weird about him, is like, I don't know how
movement based of a character he's gonna be. It was a very quick snip,
but it was like five seconds where you saw him specifically, and I
didn't catch if at the background of any other scenes if he was swinging around.
That's something I hope they get right though, because I think the movement
of Spider Man's really important and so many games have done it and got it
right. At this point, I hope that they can just kind of copy
paste those. But then also you got to turn into a competitive move so
that that's not what overpowered. But in terms of like stunning and shutting characters
down, I think there's a lot of potential there for uh, I don't
know, pairing them up with some Overwatch equivalent character. M h. I'm
looking up trying to find a character that might have similar moves, because I
feel like there was I feel like there was a character in Overwatch that had
the capacity of doing like a mass multiple stun. Yeah. I mean I
think Zaria has one of those. I mean, May has her like ice
Field, but we've had already picked a May that might be what I'm thinking
it was May's ice Field. Yeah. Another here's another kind of more,
maybe we're off the wall. Pick is is Wrecking Ball. I'm sure you've
seen Wrecking Ball in Overwatch, because this seems like a Taylor kind of character
is essentially a hamster and a giant ball, and he flings himself around.
I just feel like the way he flings himself around, like maybe that's how
we could draw the comparison with a Spider Man. Yeah, it's not that's
not a bad idea. Actually, his grappling claw, because I couldn't really
think of any other ones, Like, there wasn't other Overwatch characters that really
screamed Spider Man to me, So we could do that one because that one
might be hard otherwise to find a character similar to Wrecking Ball. Yeah,
I think just the grappling definitely fits. Yeah, yeah, I'd agree with
that. Okay, why you rifle off a couple from the Marvel character list
here? Ah? So who do we got here? We got oh,
let's look at let's look at as a black Panther. Okay, what do
we have here for black Panther? I think something like maybe like a Genji
could be a good fit. I really really like that. That's actually a
really really good pick, really agile character, all about the movement, kind
of mostly melee combat. Genji does have like sure cans, but we can
kind of take those out for this example. I think Genji is one of
those characters though, Like you could really pick multiple Marvel characters for that,
but I think black Panther would be a really fun version. Actually, yeah,
I like that a lot. Okay, cool, we'll do that.
I think another character that, you know I mentioned earlier, I was kind
of surprise to see her in here is Mant, But I think Mantis to
me just seems like that's a healer, no doubt, right, because of
her like mind abilities, Like she just seems like she's got to be a
healer. And so for that reason, I was thinking, maybe just make
her the quintessential healer from Overwatch Mercy herself, yeah, being able to revive
people like I could see Mantis having an ability kind of like that too.
So yeah, let's go for that one. Thank you. What else you
got for me? Here's two? There wasn't a Hawkeye because I got the
perfect, perfect pick for that. Well, might as well bring it up,
now, go for it. Well, I was thinking Hanso would be
the ultimate Hawk guy of course, right, gotta be. Let's do it.
Yeah, walk it in there, because I feel like said, okay,
yeah, I mean he's a huge character. He'll be in there and
looking at the rest of these characters that we currently have on the list,
like, I don't look at any of them and think of Hanso, So
I don't think we're and it's stomping and he toes by doing it and we
have a lot of characters, so we gotta, you know, we gotta
match him up when we can. Taylor, have you seen gameplay of this
character named Maga. He's actually apparently a new character. He's at the very
top of the overwatched Heroes page. Maga, who looks kind of like the
Rock Dwayne the movie MANA. Oh my god. Actually I wonder if that's
the comparison. But this is a big dude, a really big dude,
and he has two gatling guns on either side of his body. Does that
not immediately make you think of a Marvel character that we love to talk about
here? Are you thinking, Roca, I'm thinking, I'm sorry, I'm
not someone on the list, not someone on the current list. Okay,
yeah, you're thinking like Drash deeper cut, deeper cut, deeper cut cut,
Oh gosh, deeper cut, with two big gallon cuts on either side
of his body, slow moving character Tanky. You want me to reveal?
Are you thinking like an Obadiah Stain from Iron Man? Deeper cut, deeper
deeper. You gotta gotta hint a clue. We have in our stream yards
list of memes pictures. He's he's a classic. We use this guy a
lot. What h comes up on the X Men retro? Oh? Are
you serious? Oh? I didn't even think of that bone Breaker, the
great bone breaker. This guy, this guy's bone breaker written all over him.
That is a deep cut. Holy smoke. Imagine if they added bone
Breaker in this game. That would be insane. I'd be there day one
getting us back on track. Well that's a good one. Well, actually,
before we get back to our list, you're man ghostwriter. Who do
you think? Do you think there's an Overwatch character that that kind of has
ghostwriter energy to them? Maybe a reaper, But honestly, I'm not feeling
it. Yeah, maybe maybe a Lucio in some weird way, Lucio.
I think there's another like slam Dunk for Lucio. I'll bring that up later.
But I don't really feel like because I don't think ghostwriters a I don't
think he's a healer, you know. No, maybe Cassidy. I can
feel just the cowboy ghost. Maybe that's the way to go. That's interesting
because I was gonna ask you about that, like, I don't. I
don't know. It's weird that I don't have an I don't know of a
Marvel character who's like a cowboy. And I'm sure there are something that exists.
I'm sure there's like some wild West comic book run that happened, but
yeah, like, off the top of my head, I can't think of
any that might be good. The other one I was thinking of was what
about road Hog. You may not have the same size, but like the
hook is being like the core part of the gameplay mechanic. I thought that
could be kind of a similar idea. And also, like road Hog is
a shotgun, so not huge range. If like you just have if you
have a ghostwriter with like his chain and that kind of being like almost like
a shotgun blast the way he swings it around. I mean, he did
use a shotgun in in the movie, so it fits shotgun. Well,
there you go, there you go. Yeah, okay, let's let's log
that one in. It's going back to our list of known characters. Do
you have any other ones that that scream out to you that make a lot
of sense. I mean, there's a few characters I'm trying to remember which
characters who are a melee oriented we got Ryan Hart would be a big one.
Are you're talking about like Overwatch characters that are melee focused. Reinhart would
make a good feel and I think I think Bridget is is thora confirmed character.
No, but I'm just thinking of creatively, you know, Torbiorn,
I mean he's got other stuff because he's like building stuff. He's a melee
focus Winston. Oh, Winston has got to be beast, right, I
would say Winston beasts for sure. Okay, let's lock that one in.
I I don't like a widow maker low key. I don't know why,
but I can kind of see something there. I couldn't tell you what it
is, but yeah, that's just what I'm feeling. The other so with
because Loki in this in that we've seen here, he can like turn into
other characters and emulate their abilities, and I don't know what the limit of
that is. And I like, there's got to be an Overwatch character that
does that, right, either, must be I I was looking through the
roster. I couldn't like clearly find one. Oh Echo Echo does that Echo
duplicates targeted enemy hero and gains use of their abilities. I think we should
do that though. That makes a lot of sense. Absolutely, Oh yeah,
I don't I didn't recognize this Echo character must be a newer one.
I mean, we could have made echo Echo, but I don't know if
that I don't know if Marvel's Echo makes a whole lot of sense for that
comparison. Otherwise, I like that one. That's a good one. The
what I was mentioned earlier, Lucio the music guy. That's got to be
Dazzler, right, Dazzler. I didn't even think about that. Yeah,
that'd be a good one. Mm hm, okay, walk that one in
and just trying to see I'm trying to cross off my list here as we
go through this. We locked in ghost Rider for what's his name? Road
Hog? What about iron Man? Iron Man's got to have someone quite like
him? Oh? What about oh Farah Pharah for iron Man? Farah is
like the the floating, like the lady who flies in the air and shoots
rockets and things like that from the sky. And her ultimate is just like
an iron Man moved like one to one and she's a flyer. So I
think that one makes a lot of sense, right, Yeah, I like
that a lot. There's really a lot of characters that quite quite similar.
Did we grab a Reaper for someone? What about star Lord? What about
star Lord for Reaper movement based guns. Actually, yeah, I kind of
like that. I think that's that's a good pick. It's good enough.
Right, What else is screaming out to you here? Oh sure, m
hm hm hmmm, look at it. Junk Rat right now, junk rat.
Okay, I was trying to see who would fit for a junk Rat
character. Is that like skinny, sleek, slunkysh sneaky character? Yeah?
What about what about Rocket? That's not a bad pick. Kind of old
about grenades and explosives and stuff, right, yeah, I could get behind
that. That's actually really a good idea. Okay, that's good. I
don't see where junk Rat is on the Ohio's okay, Rocket, We're doing
pretty good. We almost got all the announced ones. We made this comparison
earlier with the name more having these freaking octopus that he's thrown down, which
is similar to Semetra. Why don't we just go with that? Yeah?
Yeah, that's perfect. I don't know if there's really any other notable comparison
between them, but you know, we're getting down to like the weirder comparisons
at this point anyway, So that's fine, I will say so. From
the trailer, Magic was shown off, which I'm such a huge Magic fan,
especially after Midnight Suns as a game. Just love that character. Now,
I think she looks really interesting to this, Like she her swing is
so slow that it kind of reminds me of like the way Ryan Hart swings
is weapon around. Now I think that's the only way those characters would be
some similar. But I think like a melee based character with like really slow
slashes that has this teleport that she has where she can quickly close the distance
and move around seems really fun. So I like, when I was watching
this trailer, that was the character that jumped out to me as like top
of mind, I definitely want to play her, and I wouldn't have made
this comparison otherwise. But when I was looking at gameplay of Junker Queen,
who's an Overwatch character, there was something about the character that seemed kind of
similar, Like she has a sword I think at some point that she slashes
around. She's got a big weapon that's like really slow paced, which kind
of seems like what Magic is here, So you know, we're missing the
teleport angle of it, but I but we also have some like other moves
like her ultimate or something called rampage. I'm looking at her her move set
here that actually looks like something Magic might do. So I think that's a
that's a decent enough comparison. Yep, I get behind that. In that
same train of thought, what was there a character when you were watching the
trailer that looked really fun to you that you would think you would be maybe
your first character that you would check out. Uh, honestly, I'm just
I'm biased. I'd probably go Iron Man. I feel like it's very basic.
I feel like I could just kind of fit fit the vibes and feel
or feel the vibes of what's going on, and then kind of out from
there. Mm hmm yep. Okay, Well, there's only four characters yet
announced that we haven't picked Scarlet Witch, Storm, Penny Parker, Galactis.
These ones are pretty hard for me because actually on my original list, I
did have Scarlet Witch is being a Symmetra kind of character, but now we've
put nam War there. But I do think that one would have made sense.
Oh, look look into maybe a life Weaver as Scarlet Witch, because
I like see the abilities. This feels like a Scarlet Witch kind of character
here with what they're doing kind of thorn Volley. Oh, you're right,
this is a great pick. The pedal platform. Oh yeah, this was
fun. This is one of those characters. When I was looking through the
Overwatch characters getting ready for this, I'm like, no idea, this character
a complete blind spot because even someone like Echo, I never played the I
don't think I ever played the game with an Echo, but I still recognize
the character. But yeah, like life, we are no idea. But
I really like that pick. I think that's a great call. Let's do
that. I think Storm Storm was a hard one for me, even though
it seems like it should be straightforward, but Storm just has so much potential
and like, I feel like no one like lived up to the pencil that
like Storm is. Uh so that's a tricky one for me. Penny Parker
as well, is like so, I guess for anyone who doesn't know,
I mean I didn't know, it's either. Penny Parker seems to kind of
has like the Iron Spiders sort of thing going on. It seems like in
general that's kind of her vibe as a character. So is there an Overwatch
character that's like very uh armory, very covered in armor? This are reset
characters very art. Oh that's a good pick. Let's go with that one.
I think that's a really good pick. Maybe a bit more of a
tanky like melee based character. I like that. Yes, it's just really
a robot. Yeah it works, it works. And then yeah, is
anything coming to your mind for Storm? Well there's the character Moira. We
didn't cast her, right, yeah, you know what does Moira do?
Again? Moira was added when I still played the game, but kind of
barely projective. It's not like weather really related, but it makes me think
of the weather a little bit. You know what, Let's go for it.
Well, let's go for it about Storm from Moira. And then Galactus.
Very weird one, right, because if we're talking about Galactus as like
a smaller scale like human regular human size, Like what does Galactus do?
If Galactus isn't big, if Galactus ain't eat in world, what is Galactus
doing? I don't really know what about this character Ramatra. I was just
looking at that. I was just looking at that. I'm looking at these
abilities and again, man, we got annihilation, Ravenous boy, tet Vortex.
This is this, this fits? Yeah, and this character is like
dark and purple and looks evil as well, so I think that's actually pretty
fitting. M So we'll go with black Okay. So now we've officially picked
all the characters that are actually in the game, So good job to us,
because that's that's a lot other Do you have any other favorite Marvel characters
that you had had found good Overwatch equivalents for that you wanted to bring up
here? Let me just look and see who we cast it so far,
I can throw a couple at you if you if you need well, I'm
thinking a Sombra for Black Widow. Ooh, okay, she's got these tech
of related abilities machine pistol. I had Black Widow as like the widow Maker
character because once again Black Widow widow maker and also has like the hook,
like the grappling hook, and then like the mind, which I feel like
is something she would have. But the Sniper doesn't really fit as much,
whereas I think Somber in terms of like the maneuverability of the character makes a
lot of sense, and I feel like Black Widow has got to be like
a hacker to some extent, which is all which is what Somber's deal is,
right, m H, what if we what if we go with like
Yolena as one and Black Widow is the other, and then we we can
get two for one. So which one do you think is like ideal?
Gosh, so we just go with like the widow pun and just call Black
Widow widow maker, I think you have to, and then we'll call Sombra
as Yolena. Somber is a cool character. I enjoyed her back in my
Overwatch days. Cool. Let's see Torbiorn is a character who sets up a
bunch of traps robots. I kind of forget what else he does, but
he builds things and sets up electronics. What about like a Doctor Doom or
an Ultron in terms of like kind of building up an army, so to
speak of like their other robots. Yeah, I gravitate towards Doctor Doom actually
for that. Yeah, because even if you look at trying to find it,
like Torburn's arm like it kind of looks like Doctor Doom's like kind of
coffee cups, sort of like shoulders. You know that he has like ultimate
lights one. So let's go with that. And there's something weird about Torbiorn
being Doctor Doom. It's just unsettling in a good way. So I'm into
that. I think I have you. Have you looked at Kiraco, this
Overwatch character? Uh? I did? Actually, yes, is that not
Electra? That's Electra? Right? Oh, well you got another one for
me. Could it be like a bull's eye because of the maybe maybe a
Gambit actually whipping a whole cards right? Oh, I didn't even see the
cards. Okay, yeah, it's gotta be Gambit teleport. I don't I
don't know if Gambit would telephte but I could see him like doing like a
quote unquote rocket jump with like his cards, like throw them down. I
like that a lot. Let's go with that. That's really really smart.
And then okay, here's the here's a weird one. Ryan Hart, of
course, is like one of the most iconic Overwatch characters. Big dude with
a shield, big like warhammer, really tanky guy swinging. I was thinking
that, what about Cole Obsidian, who's like the guy from the Black Order.
He's like the big beast guy. He doesn't necessarily a shield, but
you or maybe he does even in one of the movies, but you could
give him a shield, and I just think he's got that scale to him.
He's got the big weapon in his arm, So I like that one.
Another kind of under the radar sort of pick too, right, Yeah,
I like that one a lot. Cool walk that one in. We
had talked about Ghostwriter as a McRee, which I think is cool. But
since we gave Ghostwriter elsewhere, what about just like Nick Fury for McRee nick
Fury in terms of the move set, like personality wise is not there,
but in terms of the move set, like you know, Pistol, like
more grounds, weapons base, a bit more down to earth, but like
you know, precise sort of character. Is there a better one? Or
is that good enough? No? I think that's I think that's great.
Okay, you got any other ones for me? Here? Well? I
was looking up this Allari character trying to think who who fits that? Right?
I think I had one? I mean, look at her again on
this website. Hmm. Definitely going through this makes me want to jump back
and Overwatch, just because I've always missed that game, but also just seeing
some of these new characters that do look very fun. Ooh, Lari,
so she's got a solar rifle captive sun so it seems like an energy sun
based character. What of a sunspot from ninety seven. Yeah, there you
go. That's brilliant. And because it seems like she's maybe a healer and
I could see his son powers being like healing in the game. Cool.
Another one here, Bridget. Have you seen Bridget before? Bridge? Bridget's
got more like melee combats. It got a big shield. She's a support
Captain America potentially. I mean with the shield, for sure, I'm totally
sold on that. Her flail weapon also does look a bit daredevili, but
I don't know if the rest of her moves that does m Now I kind
of want to. I mean, she's got the inspirability. I feel like,
rally, those are Captain America, that shield, let's locks And now
I believe in the lore Bridget and Torborn like. I think Bridget is Torburne's
daughter. So the idea of like Captain America and Doctor Doom having some sort
of relation is also a fun secondary thought. Uh, you got any other
ones for me? We're getting down to it. We only have like five
or six characters left actually, so I think we're gonna be able to run
the gambit here and get this all in sweet again tease. You know we
didn't, but We didn't write anything down for Hansa. We decided on Hawkeye
for that, right we did? Yeah, yeah, okay, write that
down. There's a lot of healers. I know. I this is another
one biotic launcher. He's got regenderative burst, he's got immortality field. This
is one I did not. I racked my brain, but I could not
think of one. Oh wouldn't be like, oh gosh, why am I?
Why am I running a blank here? Uh? Name Forge? Bishop?
Yes? Thank you? I was thinking Bishop for Jorn. Actually have
you seen Jorn? Sure? I think this is Yeah, Jorne once again
has the gun power slide, the disruptor shot. Yeah. I'm getting Bishop
vibes here too. But what what if we do for Baptiste? How about
we give what do we we do Forge for that? Because that because Forge
seems like a bit more supportive, and that guy seems supportive. Yeah,
I like that a lot more. Actually, Okay, so Forge there,
and I like that we have both of those boys in there. Bishop.
So I think the only characters we have left are Ash and h Zaria.
And then there's a character that just was announced but is an now yet called
Venture. I actually have a pick for Venture if you might have to google
this one because I don't think it's on the website. But Venture, if
you just watch like quick game, places essentially like the Underminer, she just
goes underground burrows disrupts the earth. So I was thinking Quake for that.
I don't know if you're familiar with Quake much, but yeah, I think
that's probably a good pick there. So let's go Quake. So that leaves
just three characters, ash Anna and Zaria, and I have a Zaria potential
one here which could be could be Thor, could be Thor. Now,
I think I could see Thor being like more of a tanky character like Zaria,
as I'd see the energy field kind of shooting out like the orbs that
Zaria shoots out. I could see like being like a hammer throw. I
don't think it's perfect, but I think Thor would be a character that we
should try and definitely because I think that actually gives us the rest that gives
us all the Avengers, the main six Avengers from you know that original movie.
So maybe we could just go with that, like, Okay, let's
do it, and then so that leaves us now ash and Ana. Yeah,
I think for Anna, I think I did. When I was in
my notes, I think I did put Luna Snow as a potential there,
Okay, because she's kind of like Luna Snows once again about like sniping a
bit, and it seems like Luna Snow like throws ice at enemies to heat
to heat or enemies to damage them and then like ice that teammates to heal
them maybe or power them up. And that's definitely what Anna does. But
then that would require us to get another tracer pick. What about a Winter
Soldier like burns her on a sniper based Okay, yeah, definitely does some
assassination. Remember's like movement abilities. How does she move around? Maybe she
doesn't all a lot page not found? Oh great, maybe they deleted her
from the game or something. Okay, here we go. So she's got
a biotic rifle, she got the sleep dart. That definitely seems like a
Winter Soldier thing because he's always getting put to sleep. Biotic grenade, I
mean, he would definitely have a grenade. I think that's a great pick.
Yeah, let's let's lock that one in. There we go. So
that just leaves up with Ash, which is a character that I when I
was looking at her move set. I could not think of a character that
made sense. So she's also kind of like Macree. She's kind of like
a Western type. She's got a gun, she's got like a another gun,
she's got dynamite, and she's got this thing called Bob. What is
Bob? Oh, Bob's like a giant mech dude. Oh uh, that
looks pretty fun. I like. I like the look of Bob deployed,
which so that makes me think of maybe like Ultron, you know, someone
a big robot. Guys got range attacks. But I don't. I don't
love it, but I think it's it's fine. What about a yawn?
Do Bob could be like the arrow calling in too? I really the arrow
would be really cool. That would that would almost be like a soldier's aim
bought kind of thing, just like around hitting people out. But I like
that Let's get you because there's a lot of Guardians in here, so I
like that a lot. Let's do it, Taylor. We've we've done it.
We've cast all forty Overwatch characters as they're Marvel counterparts. I'm impressed with
us. I think that that's a lot, and I'm not gonna read it
all off again, But if anyone wants to see the recap, you can
head over to YouTube. I've just pulled it up on the screen share.
You can see what we wrote down for everyone. But I'm really happy with
this and if this ever, if this happened, I think I'd be very
happy with the roster. That would be insane. Yeah, any any other
thoughts on Marvel's rivals now that we've gone through this this thing? Is there
any characters I guess that we didn't cast that you'd like to see make it
in somehow? I feel like we've kind of hit a lot of the big
ones. But yeah, I feel like we I feel like we've hit definitely
all the big ones. I mean maybe there's probably like a Blade characters like
that, but it would be cool Moonlight as well. Those types of characters
in there would be fun. But I think if I were to pop up
in a game and the roster has Yondo and has Bishop bone Breaker, like,
come on, this is this is fantastic? And allot to mention the
skins too, the cosmetics that you'd have. Yeah, these characters, oh
my gosh. Yeah, you could even do like for an iron Man,
you give them like a my god, what is what is his homies name?
There? War Machine? You give them a war machine skin, so
you get like a bonus character in there. There's a few of those for
sure, as we talked about, like Genji could be so many different characters,
so that'd be a fun way to kind of infuse more characters in the
game. But yeah, I am very much looking forward to this. I
think it's gonna be a fun time. Even if it's not a long time,
I think it will be a fun time for a few weeks to play
this game. And I think it's it's one of those games that you know,
when each new character comes out, I could see myself jumping back in
it want to check them out. I want to see I would evolve,
see the different maps as they get introduced, because I'm just such a Marvel
fan in that way. So yeah, I'm looking forward to this game.
I think it's cool. I hope to see more. Like I said,
I did try to get into this beta in May. I don't know if
there's an NDA on it, if you're not allowed to talk about it.
If not, though I definitely would share my thoughts. But yeah, look
forward. I think this would be fun to play with you and and Travis
and Kirkland. Hopefully there's like cross playing there and we can all get in
there. It'd be fun to team up as a squad of six, get
some other people in there, and yeah, there you go. There's Marvel's
rivals. And I think that's all for today. Taylor's is a lot of
fun, great discussion. Thank you for joining me, and we'll see you
all next week. By