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It's time for your weekly fix of
wrestling nostalgia. When we look at wrestlings

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past eras from the Attitude era through
the reality era, I'd like to think,

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then maybe this company will be better
after Vince McMahon's dead. But the

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fact is it's it's gonna get taken
over by his idiotic daughter and his dufius

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son in law and the rest of
his stupid family. You know, I'm

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the w E Podcast. Welcome to
the WWE Podcast. On this Wednesday,

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November sixth, two thousand and nineteen, it's Wrestling Nostalgia Day. Are Wrestling

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Nostalgia Night or morning, depending on
when you're listening to this, And today

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is a one of my most favorite
moments in the last decade in WWE,

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and I actually didn't get to experience
it firsthand and actually was ruined via social

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media. And I'll get to that
story of exactly how that happened in that

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moment, of course, being the
Rocks return on Valentine's Day two thousand and

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eleven in Anaheim, California. Being
the host of WrestleMania twenty seven that led

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into a year long program with John
sena actually a almost a two year program

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as The Rock went over at WrestleMania
twenty eight and lost at WrestleMania twenty nine

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doing the favors to John Cena for
the championship, the w B Championship.

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So a really fun run for The
Rock back from twenty eleven to twenty thirteen

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in WWE. And yeah, we've
seen him compete in those kind of matches,

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right with Eric Rowland that he had
which was a sixth second match,

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and you know those occasional appearances like
he appeared in Brooklyn a few years ago

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and gave Russev the People's Elbow,
and and then on recently, most recently

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showed up on the debut of SmackDown
on Fox to rock Bottom King Corbyn.

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So The Rock is not ever gone, as he'll listen to in his promo,

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but he's very much an afterthought in
today's world of WWE. But you

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know what, that's that's the cycle
of the business. And I'm not complaining

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because I think The Rock had one
of the best runs ever in the history

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of professional wrestling. Regardless of promotion. The Rock was just that good.

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He was my number two to my
number one of Stone Cold. And so

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again we'll get into all of that, and like I said, a personal

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story coming up which ruined the moment
of this, so I never got to

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see this in a real time format. Again, this is remember this predates

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Hulu and then the streaming option of
Netflix that became mainstream. UM. And

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so when you had social media,
that was really your source for getting information

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as it is today and even more
so today, but unfortunately was spoiled via

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social media. So, UM,
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guys, as always, thank you
again, And let me just preface this

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whole rock return in twenty eleven with
my personal experience of how this all got

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ruined. So it's Valentine's Day,
right, It's Valentine's Day taking your significant

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other out to dinner. I was
taking a girl at the time that ended

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up giving me the shaft. But
that's neither here nor there. So this,

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this loss of living this in real
time wasn't even worth the price of

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admission, if that makes sense.
But so I had this girl, we'll

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leave her nameless back into one eleven. I had her out for dinner and

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Valentine's Day being a good boyfriend,
and uh, I'm out and um,

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you know, I'm trying to keep
tabs on raw it's getting late. In

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the evening as dinners run late on
Valentine's Day spending you know, an arm

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and a leg on those oh you
know Valentine's Day dinner, you're ninety dollars

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a plate, and you know,
you get like a role and you get

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an appetizer all this, you know, stuff that's completely overpriced and really there

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just to say that you took somebody
out to dinner. And so I'm trying

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to keep up and trying to look
at my phone, and she's saying,

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hey, you gotta keep your phone. You know you need to look at

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your phone around a date. Okay, blah blah blah. So um,

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I glanced at my phone and it's
I don't know, it was later in

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the evening, and lo and behold, I glanced down at my phone.

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Um, as we're looking at or
having dinner, and I see that the

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rock returned to raw. I think
somebody put it on Facebook or or or

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one of the social media platforms.
And I'm sitting there going no, right,

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because that's not something you want to
see on social media. It's something

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you want to experience as it happened. That's why I vehemently try to avoid

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any kind of social media even now, because I don't watch Raw live.

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I watched Raw and Delay and same
with SmackDown. So it's very, very

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difficult to avoid the messages people get
about wanting to know what I think about

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what just happened, and avoiding other
people's posts. It's not an easy deal.

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It's difficult, and so this was
one that really spoiled it for me,

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really made me a little bit annoyed, and I tried to compose myself

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as a you know, mature how
it was I seven years ago? Wait

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no, no, no, no
no, it's twenty eleven, so get

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my head on straight. Eight years
ago almost nine, so I was twenty

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six years old, and so trying
to be a mature adult and not let

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that ruin the rest of my night. So, I mean, I don't

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know if you're interested about the dinner. I think it was good. The

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rest of it I'll remember is I'm
not kidding you. For two people paying

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like one hundred and twenty bucks.
It killed me at some fancy place that

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I'll never go again. And anyway, so that was my ruined experience.

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So I you know, I get
home and I was able to watch Raw

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as I taped in on my DVR. We all remember when DVR was actually

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a thing and it was cool to
have DVR. Well, I had a

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DVR box at my house and Raw
was recording, so I was able to

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watch Raw of course after that.
And let me let me just say this,

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I mean this, the build up
to this. If I recalled w

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W E had said that the announcement
will be made for the host of WrestleMania

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twenty seven on this Monday Net Raw, And I don't think anybody at the

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time, and I know I didn't
suspect it that it was going to be

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the Rock, and I think gaging
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they did either. W w E
even steered people to complete opposite way by

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it, you know, announcing that
it a limo pulled up and it could

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be the host of WrestleMania twenty seven
and a female's legs were taped walking out

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of the limo, really just to
throw people off the scent of maybe thinking

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it could be the Rock at all, I mean like really really laying it

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on thick and driving people away from
any kind of thought. And you didn't

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hear any chance for you know,
Rocky Rocky people had no idea. The

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majority of people had no idea,
there's gonna be the rocking. Those kinds

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of surprises are so few and far
between, and especially in today's digital age,

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and people that are employed by WWE
that are quote leaks to the wrestling

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community and that are basically inside informants
to major websites. We all know who

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those are. And so with all
of that and social media at our fingertips

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and especially at the wrestler's fingertips,
everything is difficult holt to conceal. And

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this was concealed in a way that
had everybody fooled, and I loved it.

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I mean, after seven years,
did anybody really expect the Rock to

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be the one to come out?
I didn't. That probably was in the

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top three rock reactions I've ever heard. And yes, don't worry, audio

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is coming. Audio is forthcoming.
I'm gonna give that to you in just

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a second. So we had we
had the announcement of the Rock, he

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comes out, crowd loses their minds, and well, just take a listen

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and then we'll we'll reconvene. And
I want to get into his promo that

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he cut two, which was just
absolutely stellar ladyship, and please welcome the

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host media. What say this one
so you guys can hear that, I

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mean it's a little bit distorted through
the microphone, however, I mean the

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people exploded. The people absolutely lost
their minds, and you know what I

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mean, I did too, even
even after I knew that he was there

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because of my complete blown social media
check. But it was still awesome to

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see. And after seven years,
seven years, the Rock has not done

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a thing in w w E in
terms of inside the ring. And I

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believe the one before that, if
you guys remember, was when he came

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to defend Eugene against the coach and
when he came and it was like the

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superhero to Eugene and came back and
called the coach a popcorn fart and ended

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up giving him a rock bottom in
people's elbow. And that was I think

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the last thing we saw of the
Rock, and he went on, made

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his millions, made his movies,
came back and the fans really really really

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embraced him and took him back,
and it was an amazing reaction, amazing

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and I think that a lot of
that credit goes to it being a secret,

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which again is almost an impossibility in
twenty nineteen and will continue to be

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harder and harder and harder. So
The Rock comes back, and I won't

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give you the entire promo because half
the half the podcast would be a just

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you guys listening to the Rock.
But the beginning of his promo, he

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talks about how it's been seven long
years and he's finally back home, and

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talks about how many nicknames he has, the People's Champion, the Great One,

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all that kind of stuff, and
then talks his Dwayne and says that

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you know, I'm not back for
the money. I'm not here to to

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uh to promote a movie. Um
here because of all of you, and

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then goes back into rock form um
and it's it's just a such a great

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promo, such a this was Rock
being Rock, and you knew that with

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him as the host of WrestleMania,
you knew somehow, some way, somebody's

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getting a rock Bottom. And as
The Rock alludes to the question is who

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the Rock is going to WrestleMania,
The Rock will host WrestleMania and at the

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drop of the time, The Rock, We'll lay at the SmackDown at WrestleMania.

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But too, that's the question,
could it be the WWWEK champion,

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the Miss. He's the one that
goes around saying I'm the Miss, and

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I am awesome. I'm awesome,
I'm awesome. I hear that all the

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time. I'm awesome. Well,
the Rock ain't no scientists, but he

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pretty much knows that there's one formula
that's a fact. If you got to

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run around shoot your mouthball telling everybody
how awesome you are, it means you

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absolutely, undoubtedly, unquestionably completely suck. So taking a policy here at the

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Rock alluding to and going through the
list of people in which you know he

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may lay the SmackDown to and the
mis as you remember, was WWWE champion

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at that time, and take nothing
away from them is but at that point

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in his career he had no business
being WWE champion. He just didn't.

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And that shows you the depth of
the roster at this time. I remember

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there's no NXT. There's there are
no territories, there's no developmental. You

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have OVW and you have TNA,
all right, and you have New Japan,

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you have Ring of Honor, you
have independence. There's no NXT doesn't

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exist, So think about that.
Um, I know the NXT is not

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viewed as a developmental territory anymore.
But back then they would have died to

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have a farm system like NXT,
which was its original intended purpose to develop

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talent, create a performance center to
simulate the big you know, the big

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time shows and when you're on the
roster full time and you're up to the

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main roster, and it was a
triple h's vision. So again that just

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shows you the really the lack of
depth of talent at this time with the

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Miss. And again he can talk, but man, he had had no

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business being w B champion at this
point. If if us B champion in

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twenty nineteen, I think people would
be a little bit more, um,

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a little more accepting of that because
the Miss has really proven himself in front

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of the audience over the last ten
years, really made strides in his matches,

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his promos just as a character.
So um, the Rock begins to

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go through the list and you hear
people screaming John Cena his name, and

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the promo just just gets funnier from
here. But there's one more man who

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the Rock wants to see. There's
one more man and the Rock is gonna

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see and that man, can I
have your attention place. I have just

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received an email from the anonymous Raw
General Manager. Oh my gosh, you

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guys remember this, You guys remember
the anonymous Raw GM, the anonymous Raw

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GM that was never actually identified until
they just realized on we should probably figure

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out or tie up that loose end, you know, five years later,

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and it ended up being hornswoggle under
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it was just one of the worst
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they felt the need to have a
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the show can't go on without some
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who we want that to be,
so it's just going to be somebody anonymous.

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Um, no face, because we
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It's just going to be anonymous,
and it'll just put heat on Michael Cole,

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who's not a wrestler or a performer. And um, it was one

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of the most annoying, um illogical
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all you have to do is just
close the computer, right, just close

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the computer. And furthermore, how
is a a email service tied to the

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lights of the building. And the
reason I said that is, I know

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you guys are hearing audio, not
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the email came through, as the
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um, the lights in the arena
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that notification sound. And so I
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How is that thing? It's not
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but it's just completely illogical. So
anyway, moving down the line here,

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let's continue with the promo from the
Rock. Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa,

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whoa whoa. Michael Cole, will
you take one more steps? Will

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check computer? The Rock will get
out of here and slap the taste so

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far out of your mock you'll never
get a buck. Shut up, Michael

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Cole. Do you actually think that
the Rock is just gonna let you walk

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over that computer and interrupt him when
he is live on raw? Is that

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what you think? Do you actually
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what your general manager has to say? Michael Cole? Is that what you

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think? I'll tell you what I
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the Rock continues here with his his
stick and his you know, his bit,

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and Michael Cole plays the heel.
Well, Michael Cole is still just

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generally unlikable, isn't he? Michael
Cole, for all the contributions he's made

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to the wrestling industry and how long
he's been He's been with the WBA since

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nineteen ninety seven, people forget that. And how many times The Rock I

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remember when The Rock would uh make
fun of Michael Cole or an you make

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fun of Kevin Kelly and call him
hermaphrodite and and um, you know,

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generally treat the announcers like crap.
But Michael Cole was the perfect four for

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that. He was generally extremely unlikable, and even in twenty nineteen, I

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mean, he just has something naturally
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not knocking his ability. When he's
not on commentary, you feel it he

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knows how to steer the ship.
Michael Cole I don't think gets the credit

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he deserves navigating a system in twenty
nineteen. That is not what was what

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it was like for Jim Ross and
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ninety eight, nineteen ninety nine,
two, two thousand and one. There

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is a whole boatload more of things
that announcers need to do other than just

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worry about what's in front of them
in the ring. And that's actually unfortunate

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because that should be their main concern. But now you have the announcers having

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navigate social media and sponsor plugs and
oh, we're going to commercial break,

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but we're going to do it in
the end of a match, So hey,

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have your your clothes out comments before
we go to commercial, which is

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we all know it can so and
so get back in this match as raw

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rolls on. I mean, that's
just what you say. And there's a

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lot more in terms of what needs
to be done. And you also have

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a three man booth now, which
I'm not a fan of, but WWE

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just feels the absolute need to make
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it's a little crowded. Two is
fine, Um three two is a what

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is it? What's two? Is
a three is a crowd? I don't

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know what two is. I forget
the expression, but that's what it is.

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I just still feel that way.
So anyway, Michael Cole gets laid

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out by the Rock in terms of
verbally, and we have the terrible We're

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all general manager program going on and
uh so let's continue with the with the

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promo. Here your headset and you
don't say a word, and I quote

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you know your damn role. He
shot your damn because if you don't,

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the Rock class some pretty cool Facebook
pictures to post on his Facebook tonight.

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Does anyone here want to contribute to
the Rocks Facebook tonight? Really simple Facebook

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dot com clash Dwayne Johnson. If
Michael Call doesn't do as the Rock says,

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you're gonna get a beautiful picture of
the Rock stepping out of this ring,

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going over to that computer. Some
of you may know where I'm going

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with this. The pictures you're gonna
get is the Rock shine in and up

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real nice, turning out some bit
sideways. Let's sticking it. Stet up

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with Michael Calls Candy. I mean, this is the Rock. Really,

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it's the Rock's greatest hits. Right
now. The Rock is just laying into

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coal. It's it's a good foil
for him. Cole again is just inherently

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unlikable. Um and so he comes
out with his lines and and uh,

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the Rock is the Rock, and
it feels like he hasn't missed a step.

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The Rock is just being who he
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version of it, and uh I
was. I was enjoying it. The

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crowd was eating it up. They
couldn't get enough. And uh, well,

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let's let's continue a little bit along
here. How down he looks like

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a drunk hobbit. Sit your ass. Now there is one man. There's

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a rock it's trying to see.
There is one man who the Rock has

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to see face to face, a
guy who I met, a guy who

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I thought was a cool guy.
I wished him well, happy for his

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success. When the Rock leaves,
he comes in and out of the blue,

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eventually he starts talking trash about the
Rock. I don't know why,

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and I don't care, but I'm
back. Now. You might have heard

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of him. His name is John
Cena. So the Rock mentions John Cena,

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of which you know the majority of
the crowd expects. And again Michael

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Cole sitting there like with a just
a a sour puss on his face.

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But now we're gonna get into the
meat of this. We're getting get into

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the meat of a year set up
for a match, which hey, I'm

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all for I am all for it. I don't need to see it every

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year, but it is certainly unique
and the challenge that Sina and Rock had

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throughout the year to continue this build
to the actual match that happened at WrestleMania

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twenty eight, which obviously wasn't challenged
an official until the night after WrestleMania of

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twenty after WrestleMania twenty seven, But
this was something that had never been done

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before, which is what the Rock
was alluding to at the beginning of his

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promo that no one had ever done
this before, having a challenge a year

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out and I loved it. I
thought that was brilliant. And people were

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saying, how are they going to
continue to build for a year? I

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mean people are going to get bored. I never got bored. I never

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got bored. I really didn't.
And was the match ever going to live

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up to the impossible standards? No, it wasn't. It wasn't you.

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How can you possibly have a match
built for a year and have it on

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a trajectory that would actually have it
get more and more intense week by week?

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You can't. The answer is it's
impossible. The limit. The limit

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does not exist, is the answer. And the key was, and the

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formula was over that year, was
having the Rock and Scena reminds you every

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few weeks every month or two of
what's happening, and having back and forth

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promos and maybe via satellite all that
kind of stuff. It didn't need to

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be done every week because you have
a lot of time to build this and

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just heat it up towards the end
of the year, which they did,

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and they teamed that Survivor series against
the Miz and Our Truth and it eventually

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built to a WrestleMania match. And
so well, let's continue because this is

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where the promo really gets funny,
and the meat to the whole, the

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whole conversation is right here. Saw. Let me get this straight. The

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WWE has gone from the powerful Austin
three sixteen to the dominant an iconic.

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Can you smell what the rug is
tooking all the way too? You can't

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see me? You can't see you
can't she know what you're playing? Peekaboo?

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You calls you, I can you? Can you see me? Or

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believe me, We all can see
you. We all can see you.

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A blindfolded sleeping stuck in the basement. Stevie Wonder can see your monkey ass.

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This is just a brilliant stuff.
Of the rock. I mean,

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I was popping like crazy saying he's
playing Peekaboo. And it's so true though,

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I mean, like there there is
there is so much truth to that

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segment of the promo right there,
and the feeling among fans that he was

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able to really dictate right there about
how we've gone from Austin three sixteen from

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beer swelling, finger gesturing, whoop
your ass, in your face, no

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limits, unpredictable, stone cold to
the Rock carrying the helm, although they

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kind of did it in tandem.
It wasn't as if Austin carried the torch,

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but the message is that it goes
from that believability, unpredictability, edgy

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to John Cena and it's just it
was such a stark contrast. And yes,

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the PG era began in two thousand
and eight and John Cena was at

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the helm of that, and so
it was just it was so true and

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it was so awesome to see the
Rock bring that up. That it was

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such a stark contrast from basically a
an older demographic product to younger audience and

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the crowds, you know, um
feeling for that and what the rock represented

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would Austin represented We're a much different
era, and I understand that the business

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has to evolve. I understand why
they went PG. I might have too.

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I'm not saying Blood and Guts and
Gore would would in TV fourteen,

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would pop the ratings. I don't
believe it would. I mean it might

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hot shot it and you might get
people interested for a couple of weeks,

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but sponsors would drop out. It
would be a fiscal disaster among a pr

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disaster for RAW or for w WE. So I don't fault them for it,

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but it is hilarious that he brought
it up about how, you know,

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we went from these two guys that
were an iconic part of w WE

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and we're are the foundation of WWE
of its you know, biggest boom ever

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in the nineties for the attitude era, to this soft you can't see me,

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you know, pandering John Cena,
that was the face of the WWE.

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And it's also a bit ironic that
now John Cena, for everything he

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said against the Rock from for these
couple of years during their two match program

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was now is something that he is
exactly doing. He is m I A

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from WWE, Mister m I A
from w WE, and goes on Ellen

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DeGeneres and says, well, I
don't know if you you know this,

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but I fake fight people for a
living. John Cena just can't help himself.

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I don't need to hear that.
I mean for you to disparage your

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own work and the actual tears and
sweat and blood and sacrifice that you've made

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to just boil it down to you
fake white people. As a wrestling fan,

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God, I hate hearing that crap. It's not that I'm delusional.

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I totally understand what pro wrestling is. But when you hear the wrestlers off

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camera, and particularly when they are
trying to remove themselves from the day to

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day product that is WWE and step
their foot into other genres of entertainment like

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movies, they like to distance themselves
and really reflect what the general population that

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doesn't like or doesn't know wrestling and
just go along with that stereotype that I

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fake fight people. And it's so
demeaning, and it's it's something that I

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think really undermines his own career and
undermines the careers and product of ww itself.

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And again, you can have people
say to me, you can have

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people from the company say, well, everyone knows it's not real, So

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what's the big deal. The big
deal is we all know it's not real,

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but we don't talk about how not
real it is. Do you talk

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about how not real movies are that
you like or not real that TV shows

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that you like are. No,
you don't, and you particularly don't want

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to hear from actors that it's all
fake. No. I already know that.

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I know that what you did in
the movie didn't actually happen, and

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I know that you were portraying a
character, even if it's based on a

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true story, that you are portraying
a character in which this actually happened to.

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But I don't need you to come
out and go on some talk show

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and say how you know that I
just act, which means I don't really

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you know what I'm doing isn't real. That's what I do for a living.

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I just pretend I'm doing stuff for
a living. It's such a I

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don't even know the words for it. There's some some words that I just

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don't have the knowledge for that.
That's what this is. I know.

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I dislike it and I hate it. I hate seeing it. So anyway,

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I don't know how I got in
that tangent. But um, again,

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it was great that the Rock made
that comparison because I had been thinking

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that forever as many fans from the
attitude there I had. So um,

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let's continue out the promo, and
UM, I have some more thoughts.

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How then, how do you think
we can miss you? Come out here?

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We can bright ass purple shirt and
before that your bright great shirt,

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before that your bright arm shirt.
You run around here looking like a big

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bat ball rudy pebbles. John,
See the Rock will see you at WrestleMania,

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just like the Rock. We'll see
them is at WrestleMania. Everyone at

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WrestleMania, and just as short as
the Rock, just as short as the

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Rock turns WrestleMania into the most every
WrestleMania of all times, and just as

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short as anything can and will happen
at WrestleMania, and just as short as

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every day John Cena walks out here
looking like he just got shut out a

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body the dinosaurs Anus is just is
just as short as the Rock. Garon

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damtees three things at this WrestleMania the
Rock. Garran damtees to show the world

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that he is the most electrifying man
in all of Entertainments. The Rock garon

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damtees at the drop of a darn
just like that, to lay at the

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spacket down fount all their candy asses
and the last thing and most important,

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The Rock and the Millions. No
no, no, no, no,

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no no, that's not good enough. No no, no no, the

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Rock and the Millions. No no, no, no no no, that's

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still not good enough. The Rock
is the people's chap You are the backbone

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of the Rock. When we speak
our voice to heard, we all say,

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I bring it Anaheim. The world
is watching, Anaheim. The world

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is listening one more time when the
Rock and the millions what the Rocks fans

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go to WrestleMania and electrified WrestleMania and
the world like no one else can Its

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just sold but the Rock. So
we got to uh the end of that

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promo there and look this as far
as promo battles go, this may have

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been the Rocks night. The best
night for the Rock was probably his first

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night. As I said, I
loved, I actually really enjoyed the bill

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to this match, and I think
John Cena is clearly the victor when it

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comes to quick wit actual promo battles. And we all remember the Rock having

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to write his promo on his arm, and then John Cena making fun of

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it the next week. We all
remember that. I remember that that was

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not a good look for the Rock, and this was a well rehearsed,

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albeit probably some off the cuff promo
from the Rock, as John Cena came

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out and said the next week he
came out, snorton, he came out

423
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and he was the Brambo Bull and
he felt like the Rock of old and

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hadn't missed a step. And I
you know, this obviously still benefited John

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Cena. As we remember Fruity Pebble's
posts, or it was a General Mills

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post, I think is the one
that does the Fruity Pebbles. Cereal immediately

427
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:21.800
came to w W and said,
LOUI want John Cena, and they got

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him a deal with a commercial for
Fruity Pebbles and ended up making him probably

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00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.519
a hefty paycheck just by the Rocks
words. I mean, it's amazing the

430
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:37.079
power of words sometimes. So you
know, again, I thought The Rock

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would come in and smoke John Cena
in terms of promo. He didn't.

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He didn't. He did some things
via satellite and then John Cena said,

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you know, I bring it and
his shirt said via satellite, there was

434
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a lot of stuff that John Cena
just simply got the best of the Rock.

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John Cena just hate to admit it, but John Cena is the master

436
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:05.639
on the and when it comes to
quick wit and true promo skills, as

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I said, I have to begrudgingly
admit that John Cena is just flat out

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00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:17.119
better. He is. And maybe
my nostalgia was getting the best to me

439
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:22.840
thinking the Rock could smoke John Cena, and indeed it actually turned out to

440
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.239
be the opposite. And you know, the Rock got some good jabs in

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00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:29.199
there. But in general, John
Cena is just a just master on the

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00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.599
microphone and he proves it every single
time he's out there. That's the one

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00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:38.000
thing that he is that John Cena
has better, even more than his in

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ring skills, which at times felt
robotic. And you know, he isn't

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00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.840
the smoothest guy in the ring,
and you know, but hey, he's

446
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:52.679
a powerhouse. But he's also a
silver tongue devil on the microphone. I

447
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:54.920
mean, he could talk ice and
you know what is it the old saying,

448
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:59.519
Um, he could talk in uscim
into buying Ice and he really could

449
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:05.800
so again. This rivalry lasted for
two years. Their first match, we

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all know the outcome. The second
match, we all know the rockcome at

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the Rock dropping the belt to John
Cena at WrestleMania twenty nine and doing the

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00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.599
favors, and the Rock ended up
tearing his hamstring and not appearing on Raw

453
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.880
the next night, which I mean, that was a whole thing that I

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00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:21.880
remember being reported all over the website
said, oh my god, the Rock

455
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.760
just left the building. He didn't
notify anybody, but he was actually injured,

456
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:28.960
and so well, guys, I
hope you enjoyed it. I know,

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00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:31.000
I'm trying not to get too caught
up in and moving forward on actually

458
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:36.679
touching on the Rock Rock bottoming John
Cena at WrestleMania twenty seven and then their

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00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.679
match at WrestleMania twenty eight and their
follow up match at WrestleMania twenty nine.

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This is something that you know,
to me is it's cool to see.

461
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:51.440
It's really cool to see, and
it feels like so long ago. And

462
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:59.280
I remember actually traveling with this same
girlfriend. Yeah, the same girlfriend.

463
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:01.119
Boy. It's amazing when you look
back and go, you know, what

464
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:06.920
in the f was I doing right. You just look back and it's all

465
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.000
so clear, isn't it. It's
all so clear about certain things when you

466
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:15.360
look back, and you know,
you go, what what was I doing?

467
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:21.239
Anyway? Trying to stay in wrestling. We traveled to Boston. I

468
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.039
live in upstate in New York and
Boston's two and a half three hours,

469
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:28.360
so we traveled from upstate New York
to Boston just to see the Rock at

470
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:34.960
TD Garden before his match with John
Cena at WrestleMania twenty eight at that time.

471
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:40.519
And I remember him at the TD
Garden backstate or doing his back state

472
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.079
skits, and he was doing stuff
about, you know, making fun of

473
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.280
John Cen his merchandise and throwing it
in the river, and some of that

474
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.800
was really really funny. I remember
some of the things that John Cena had

475
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:59.400
an alarm clock and he takes the
alarm clock and he's, you know,

476
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.000
he's like ding ding, time to
get your ask booked. I mean some

477
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:06.400
of this stuff, I mean,
I don't know if that's planned or just

478
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:12.119
well executed by Dwayne. But you
can't deny John or you can't deny the

479
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:19.599
Rocks entertainment value. His charisma is
just through the roof and obviously in ring,

480
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.320
this guy is still got it,
and I'm sure he could too.

481
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.440
I'm sure in twenty nineteen he could
still have a match when he said blatantly

482
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:29.719
clearly that as of you know,
this year, that he's no longer going

483
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.159
to be wrestling, and then he
comes back for the Fox debut, and

484
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:37.920
I think maybe he meant inside of
an actual maybe he meant in terms of

485
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:42.119
an actual match inside the ring.
I don't I would think I would think

486
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.320
so, because Vince mcman is willing
to write whatever, whatever, however big

487
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.280
of a check that Dwayne needs in
order to get him back into the ring,

488
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:52.400
even if it's just for a you
know, a quick segment or a

489
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:55.840
rock Bottom or whatever. So I
don't even know the next time we'll see

490
00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.360
the Rock. I mean, as
russellmanias go by, I still while WrestleManias

491
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:06.320
go by, you know, I
have that just constant muscle memory of Oh,

492
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:07.679
Stone Cold's gonna be here, Rock's
going to be here. I wonder

493
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.880
what they're gonna do, even though
they're not announced, And I've kind of

494
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:15.280
gotten away from that because I'm just
being disappointed year after year of WrestleMania thinking

495
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.280
that's going to be the case.
But I'm fine with it because it's time

496
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.239
to move on, I think,
and for a company to not lean on

497
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:27.480
legends to sell WrestleManias and build new
stars. As much as I love seeing

498
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:31.239
it now, super disappointed in Orlando
at WrestleMania thirty three that neither The Rock

499
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:38.840
or Austin were there. I was
very not happy about that. But again,

500
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:44.199
WWE needs to move on and build
stars, and they can't just hang

501
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:49.800
on legends as they do so often
and have these reunion nights and anniversary shows

502
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:54.400
and all this stuff that I totally
understand why, But at the same time,

503
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:59.519
their main focus, their sole purpose
in life, needs to be to

504
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.360
build new stars. So and you
know, we're seeing that right now with

505
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:07.320
the NXT invasion that's gotten everyone's attention, and as the Monday or the Wednesday

506
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:13.280
at Wars continue, and they're continuing
as I speak, with Dynamite Live right

507
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.519
now and the NXT Show Live right
now. It's a great time to be

508
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:20.480
a wrestling fan. It's a great
time to be a wrestling fan. And

509
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.880
I don't know why we always need
to segment or fragment ourselves into only one

510
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:29.800
camp. You can only choose one
master. You either love a EW or

511
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.480
you love NXT. Well, why
why can't I like both? I don't

512
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:36.320
know why I need to choose,
And if I like one, I inherently

513
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.480
can't like the other. There's that
mentality out there. People are, you

514
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:44.440
know, hashtagging I'm with a EW
or whatever, like it's some kind of

515
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:49.960
politically driven decision that if I'm a
Republican, I can't like Democrats. I

516
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.800
mean, it's just it's a crazy
world right now. I mean, I

517
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.599
don't know why we can't just love
both. I just don't because people frame

518
00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:00.880
this as a war. So if
you're in a quote war, you can't

519
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.360
be playing both sides. You have
to pick a party. You can't just

520
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.800
be neutral. And that's not the
case. It's not the case here.

521
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:09.960
I don't know why we need to
pick sides. I personally I enjoy both.

522
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:14.920
I don't have a lot of time
to watch both, and I catch

523
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:16.639
the highlights and things like that,
and we have co hosts covering that,

524
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:21.559
which is why I'm not covering it. But um so, anyway, well,

525
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:22.960
guys, I hope you enjoy the
show. Don't don't forget tomorrow.

526
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:28.719
I'll be dropping two shows, AEW
review and NXT review. I'm aware of

527
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.920
the volume issue. I'm gonna be
fixing it. I know you said some

528
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.039
of our co hosts sound like they're
whispering. I will up the volume for

529
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.480
you so you don't have to worry
about that. It should be resolved.

530
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:44.960
And then I'll be back Saturday and
Sunday as I have a co host from

531
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:49.679
Patreon who is coming on show on
Harford, and then on Sunday we'll be

532
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.800
doing our typical weekend review. So
it's gonna be a busy week. You

533
00:46:52.880 --> 00:47:00.039
guys have four more shows to go
with a lot yet to be discussed and

534
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:01.719
covered. So I hope you guys
enjoyed the show. You know, next

535
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:06.840
week, I have already decided my
wrestling nostalgia topic, which is going to

536
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:12.840
be the Nexus, and the Nexus
is invasion into WWWE. I had one

537
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:17.440
of my other patrons who requested this, Ashley, and he asked me to

538
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.079
put this in, and so,
hey, I like that topic. I

539
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:24.159
don't know if I've really discussed the
Nexus at any kind of length here.

540
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:29.400
So the Nexus will be my topic
next week, and a really interesting one,

541
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:34.239
really interesting one. And I remember
that whole deal and Daniel Bryan choking

542
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.559
out Justin Roberts with a tie and
getting suspended and Sean Michael's brought him back

543
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:44.519
and that whole debacle. So there's
a lot to come and a great topic

544
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.039
for next week because I, you
know, kind of spilled the beans on

545
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.519
that, but hey, I think
you'll enjoy it. I think the nexus

546
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.880
is something that needs to be discussed. As John c you know, brought

547
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:59.440
out the brilliant golden shovel and decided
to bury every one of them one by

548
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:05.679
one. So we're gonna definitely dive
into that as well. So alrighty guys,

549
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.400
well don't forget head on over to
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You can get yourself an ad free
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00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:29.199
to be a co host. And
we have that happening as I said again

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00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:32.320
on Saturday, So it's gonna be
a cool deal. And check it out

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00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:37.320
and awesome. Well I think that's
it. Guys. Thank you so much

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for joining me. As always,
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