WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:29.160 Weird thing happened in the weird Weird Wow. Welcome everybody to Bledso said, 2 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:32.920 so we have an exciting guest with us tonight, Cliff um And just a 3 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:37.039 brief introductory for how we met. About a year ago. Before we really 4 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:42.439 started doing like the Patreon discord space um I was craving some sort of interaction 5 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:45.759 with people, so I would regularly hop in Twitter spaces. I was doing 6 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:51.560 it about once a week, and Cliff was um U, an individual who 7 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:55.719 was hopping in multiple of them, and I began to notice his user name 8 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:59.799 and I began to chat with him going on, you know, weeks, 9 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.560 and I really appreciated his insights and just could tell that he really knew his 10 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:07.400 stuff as far as Enochian and astrology was concerned. And I just felt like, 11 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.400 man, I really liked this guy. And then, Cliff, if 12 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:14.719 you remember, you offered to do an astrology reading for me, which I 13 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:19.200 very happily accepted, and we had a zoom call a week or two after 14 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.280 that for you to like get all the information and compile it into like a 15 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.920 concise reading. We spent an hour on a private zoom call and honestly, 16 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:30.079 it blew my mind it's it's one of the very best astrology readings I've ever 17 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.359 had. So we're coming in with a blank slate tonight. We've never covered 18 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.200 pretty much the majority of this material. We're going to cover everybody. Welcome, 19 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:47.519 Cliff, everybody much introduction. I really appreciate it. Yeah. So, 20 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:53.159 um, so let's let's just get into it because it's it's a big 21 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:56.680 I mean, you're you're the expert. So we're gonna be talking Enochian, 22 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.959 Um, maybe a little bit of Edward Kelly, John d some very fascinating 23 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:06.840 pieces of esoteric history that I in the back of my mind knew that I 24 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:08.280 wanted to cover someday. But I think, you know, tonight, with 25 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:12.879 Cliff being on with us, it's just like the perfect opportunity to ball out. 26 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.280 Yeah yeah, so okay, So where to begin. Let's at least 27 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:21.680 define what Enokian is. Enokian is, because I'm super dumb. I don't 28 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.080 know what it is. I'm sorry, I was telling him before before we 29 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:29.479 started. I've been thinking about this for days because I don't know much about 30 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:31.639 this. We haven't covered it on the show. I'm so excited, so 31 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:36.560 yes, please inform my silly, dumb little brain. Well, you're great. 32 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.360 It's great. So Enokian refers to multiple things at once, So I'm 33 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:43.800 going to try to like give you the multiple layers of it. So at 34 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:49.800 it's broadest, it's kind of like this magical mystical system, right that basically 35 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:54.840 is in the Christian tradition. So we're literally talking Christian magic here, which 36 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:59.879 is gonna like blow some people's minds, like how can you have both these 37 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.080 things? How can you have Christian and magic at the same time. Yeah, 38 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:06.960 it is, and the story of it is wild, and we'll get 39 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.840 into that later. But so that's one piece. It also refers to the 40 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:16.400 language of Uno Kian, which John d and Edward Kelly received during their their 41 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:20.520 sessions, and we'll get into that in a little bit. But it also 42 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.240 refers to an alphabet which is used to spell out that language. So it's 43 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:27.680 kind of got those three things. And if any of you are a fan 44 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:31.879 of like Supernatural, they actually featured that language in the in the show, 45 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:35.759 and part of me is wondering, like, hmm, I wonder if they 46 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.439 took up this energized mystical language. And that's why that show was like one 47 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:43.240 of the longest it's the longest running. It was the longest running horror genre 48 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:49.199 show ever. So you may yeah, you may not know this, but 49 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:54.280 so Ryan actually put me onto Supernatural way back in the day, and like 50 00:03:54.560 --> 00:04:00.120 the first few seasons, the first like five seasons, five six seasons, 51 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.199 as I watched, loved it all, and I just now off at some 52 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:08.159 point is it it's so the Inokian stuff. Did I miss it or did 53 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.439 it? Does it come in later? It comes you might have missed it. 54 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:15.639 So it's a castile is with this angel that comes in and he actually 55 00:04:15.600 --> 00:04:19.879 sometimes occasionally will actually speaking Okian or at one point as a joke, they 56 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:23.839 make him singing okin but you don't actually see him singing it and all that. 57 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:29.120 But it's um so yeah. So, so I guess a good place 58 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:33.040 to start is sort of like the history and who John D was and who 59 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:39.240 Edward Kelly was and all of that. So John D is what is sort 60 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.680 of we would call nowadays a polymath, a guy who's like really smart about 61 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.639 everything like any given subject. At the time, that's kind of who and 62 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:51.920 what he was. And he was an advisor to Queen Elizabeth the first and 63 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:58.959 he actually wound up picking the date of her coronation or the time of her 64 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:04.040 coronation using astrology. So we've got this guy who's already like pretty influential, 65 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:09.879 and then he gets found out that he's doing that. And you can imagine 66 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:15.160 in sixteenth century England where kind of the church rained supreme Oh, nati nati, 67 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:19.079 we're gonna go ahead and imprison you right now. So he keeps on 68 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:23.759 getting in trouble for all of his varied interests that the church may or may 69 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:29.680 not approve of. But he's kind of this advisory figure. He's very important 70 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:33.759 when it comes to like navigation, and he's very good at mathematics and optics. 71 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:39.319 And you have to bear in mind like mathematics itself is practically like the 72 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:44.480 pseudo magical thing. That's at the time they didn't have yeah exactly, and 73 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:48.600 they didn't really it wasn't looked on as like a normal like a normal academic 74 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:53.959 discipline. That sort of thing is like this is you're doing weird stuff with 75 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:56.600 numbers, and I don't trust you, you know that sort of It was 76 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:01.160 like literally that superstitious. So given the state of affairs in England at that 77 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.360 time, he kind of gets in trouble over and over again, because he's 78 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:12.000 so smart, he's looking at so many different things. But he's and I'll 79 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.199 try to give a quick background as to why he got into these angelic conversations. 80 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:19.519 We'll just go chronologically, just give like an overview. So he goes 81 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:25.040 from this into from this advice. He stays as an advisor to the queen 82 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:29.680 for what for pretty much his whole life, even into the reign of her 83 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:35.600 successor, James. But he at some point he gets into these angelic conversations, 84 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:40.279 right, so he's like, I need to talk to angels, and 85 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.639 he uses this squire whose name is Edward Kelly. But at first he uses 86 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.839 an assumed name. That's always a good sign of somebody's character. He uses 87 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:53.079 an assumed name of Edward Talbot, right, and this guy is a squire. 88 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:56.759 So really quickly what a squire is. It's basically a guy if you 89 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:00.920 think of like that classic stereotype of somebody looking into a little ball and getting 90 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:06.079 yeing this vision in that and actually was this idea and Ryan, of course 91 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:10.639 he'll be happy to hear this. He actually looked through an actual crystal and 92 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:15.720 these visions in the crystal, and so that was his technique he would do 93 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.439 that. He was sort of like what we call nowadays a psychic, and 94 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:24.519 so he hires this guy because Edward, because John d isn't that great of 95 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:28.519 a squire himself. He's actually not very good. So he hires him, 96 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.360 and then all of a sudden bang, it's like they get connected in to 97 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:40.959 this immense energy of angelic power and this massive, hyper complicated system that at 98 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:45.480 in some ways is sort of like an evolution of previous magical stuff going on 99 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:49.920 at that time, like gramoires and stuff like that, but really introducing this 100 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:56.800 massive like mathematics and astrology. It's this imagine like this this you know, 101 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:01.279 twelve dimensional Rubik's cube that has to get down all noted, one small piece 102 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:03.360 at a time through this poor guy looking through a crystal ball or through a 103 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:07.720 crystal, yes, exactly, through a crystal and then probably having high strains. 104 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.600 So that is sort of like how it originated, right, and you 105 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:15.199 fast forward to twenty twenty three and we got crystal poker balls. Yes, 106 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:20.000 yes, they'd be like what that's like, that's crazy, that's witchcraft, 107 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:26.839 you know, Yes, So that's kind of the story of of like what 108 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.000 enoking is and how it kind of got started at kind of like a surface 109 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:37.919 level. But the interesting subhistory, so you all are probably familiar with, 110 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.519 like the Nagamati scrolls, these buried scrolls that are discovered after centuries. The 111 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:46.639 interesting thing is those that they get discovered, those Nagamati scrolls, but some 112 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:54.480 of them are lost because somebody starts using them as kindling what so exactly right, 113 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.840 So, but there's a parallel here because John D's um, you know, 114 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.519 work some of his diaries. He burns some of it, okay, 115 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.840 just on his own. He buries other parts of it, and that part 116 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:11.279 gets discovered, gets put in like this hidden drawer, and then it gets 117 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.759 discovered like you know, decades later and you know, maybe even like over 118 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.480 a century later, and he and what's the first thing that happens. The 119 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.480 servant takes it and starts using it as pythons, you know, you know, 120 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.679 paper on the bottom of the python to keep it. So like some 121 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:30.759 of this stuff gets lost, and it's just like this weird like almost like 122 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.840 Okay, God is saying, I'm going to keep this, but I'm going 123 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:35.559 to make sure you know that some of this is lost. If you do 124 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.039 to you're not you know, teaching everybody, treating everybody equals, so they 125 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.360 could maybe recognize that this is important. So it's been sort of recovered over 126 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:48.440 the over the last especially the last thirty years especially, there has been a 127 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:52.159 good job of recovering as much of it as we can. So the very 128 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:54.840 mind blowing thing to me is like, we're talking what you say, he's 129 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.799 fifteen hundreds, right, he was allowed? Okay, so we're talking about 130 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:05.519 an individual or two individuals and the fifteen hundreds who had access to knowledge that 131 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:11.879 we don't have at present time to develop hyper advanced entity contact. I want 132 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.360 to know what they had access to. Yeah. Yeah, And there's a 133 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.720 real question about why that is. And the best explanation I've heard, I'll 134 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.720 give ahead and give a shout out to Kate burtas she explained that kind of 135 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.080 what was going on astrologically was this thing known as septiles. So just a 136 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:30.600 real quick idea is that if you take the three hundred and sixty degrees of 137 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.600 the path that the Sun takes an you know the Earth, you know, 138 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:37.840 apparent path of the Sun around the Earth, and you devoided that by seven 139 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:43.000 there were that there was that configuration of planets in the sky like by you 140 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.960 know, sevenths of three hundred and sixty degrees. That is that sort of 141 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:50.519 was very active at that time and is going to happen again. Speaking to 142 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.200 the to the younger generations here is going to happen again in the twenty seventies. 143 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:58.879 So I'm very curious about Manyokian two dato here or may not happen exactly 144 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:07.000 right, So feature vegetables, Yeah, I'll probably be just to make sure 145 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:13.240 I'm following. Then. The Enochian is the practice of communing with like angels. 146 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.440 Yeah, absolutely, so you can do. Yeah, you got a 147 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:20.399 couple of there are different parts of the system, and we can go over 148 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:24.320 that, you know, at whenever you want. But that it's core. 149 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.919 It's basically, UM, I'm gonna build a bunch of stuff that's gonna help 150 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.159 what Jason Louve calls, who shout out Jason Louve, who helped teach me 151 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.720 some of this, um, you know, build this furniture and use it 152 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:41.600 to help sort of insulate this very raw electric power of the angels and it 153 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.600 will help like keep you from getting zapped. Almost make this call in this 154 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.840 angelic language and then talk with the angels ask them for stuff. They'll probably 155 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:52.519 laugh at you if you're asking for buried treasure and stuff like that, because 156 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.279 that's always happening. But they'll give you they'll give you a ton of wisdom. 157 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:01.200 So that's and then that's it. It's at it's it's basically only two 158 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.360 or three steps, but you just have to do a lot of overhead of 159 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:09.840 stuff in advance, like groundwork, like you know, foundational expressions and things 160 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:11.039 like that. By the way, I don't know if you remember this, 161 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:15.519 Nick, but Jason Louve is the guest on episode five of The Midnight Gospel. 162 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.360 Yes right, yes, yes, yes, So he's a very he's 163 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:24.759 a prolific magician. Is he the No, he's not the French guy I'm 164 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.840 thinking about. I'm thinking about somebody else. But um, I do remember 165 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.519 who you're talking about from Midnight Gospel. Wow, that is so wild. 166 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:37.399 The bird that like guides into reincarnation. Yeah. So they use like specific 167 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.879 they like fung shui furniture so they can talk to anil. Yeah basically, 168 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:45.519 yeah, exactly. I mean literally, I'm not I'm not showing it to 169 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.039 you. I can like show you bits and pieces, but literally your you 170 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:50.840 all are this computer is sitting on top of the holy table of practice right 171 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.200 now? That's cool. Yeah, So it's like, you know, literally 172 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.519 you're using it to sort of get your your It's it's hard to explain. 173 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.919 I'm not sure why this is. You know, a lot of other magicians, 174 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:05.320 a lot of magical practices are more about like, well, we don't 175 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:07.960 need all this stuff. Why do you have making I'll build all this stuff. 176 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.360 And I'm not sure why except other than to say, are you too 177 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.759 proud to do this stuff? Are you? Are you gonna like put yourself 178 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.799 higher than what God is saying? I think that's kind of like some of 179 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.320 the rationale for it. So that's kind of like, just just do what 180 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:26.960 you're supposed to do. So I have a question for you, And this 181 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:30.320 is more so for the listener or for the audience. Like when I think 182 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:31.639 of questions, you know, as far as the show is concerned, I 183 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:37.759 like to think of what could um like shine an alternative light to that person 184 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:41.399 out there who might be judgmental towards this kind of topic, you see what 185 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.519 I'm saying. So, like for somebody out there who's like this is weird, 186 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:50.480 you know, the word magic, ah, how would you how would 187 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:58.639 you simplify the reality of magic to someone who has no clue what we're talking 188 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.000 about. Sure, so the reality of magic, I mean there are a 189 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.039 lot of different definitions. I mean, I try to take up pretty light 190 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:09.279 whatever we typically call magical, you know, beautiful sunsets, up that sort 191 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.840 of thing. We're kind of getting into this space where, you know, 192 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:20.039 it's sort of like it's like this reality you know, if you if you're 193 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:24.559 already positing the existence of God, and we can talk about the atheists later, 194 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:28.039 because I feel like there's a pretty good mathematical proof of you know, 195 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:31.360 kin and all of that, but if you're talking if you have any sort 196 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.360 of belief in the existence of God, one of the things that God has 197 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.559 asked us to do is literally to pray to him, right, and then 198 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:43.480 he's asking us to seek wisdom. Well, there's also sort of like that 199 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:46.559 old joke about you know, if you know, I ask you for you 200 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:48.200 know, for this and that and the other thing, and God sent you 201 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:52.039 a life raft, and God sent you, you know, all these different 202 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:54.919 ways to escape your peril, and you didn't take advantage of them. So 203 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.480 one of these things He's given us is like history, and I would say 204 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:03.639 magic is one of those things too. Now. I usually I try to 205 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.559 use magic mainly to help people. There are different people who will like take 206 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.960 it in different directions, but that's kind of at its core, is like, 207 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:15.360 the world is kind of messed up. We can do stuff to fix 208 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.799 it. God has given us these tools just as much as he's given us 209 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:24.080 on any other technology. Why not try it out and see if this is 210 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:28.279 going to help you out. The other side to it is that I think 211 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:33.799 that if you take very much a narrow view of whatever the person in the 212 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.720 pulpit says, or whatever the person on TV says, or this and that 213 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.960 and the other thing, you will always be limited by their view and you're 214 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:48.639 literally giving up your own agency to have contact with the divine. So those 215 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:52.240 are sort of my rationales as far as why I do magic. You may 216 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:54.399 it may not be for you, But I would also say, don't be 217 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.440 judgmental with people who do it anymore than I'm not jugmental of people who don't. 218 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.559 Yeah, right, it's like that, you know, you don't usually 219 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:07.759 hear about Like you said, you don't usually hear about Christianity and magic in 220 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.799 the same sentence, but it's that's why it's so important, you know, 221 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.519 with so many things in this subject, the subject of the phenomenon and you 222 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:19.120 know, the spirit, it's it's so important to keep an open mind. 223 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:25.440 I love the idea that just like uh, you know, just like science 224 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:34.679 and spirituality go hand in hand, It's like spirituality, Christianity, christ and 225 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:38.080 and magic can go hand in hand too. That is just so cool. 226 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:45.279 Yeah, I definitely think, like I think, people get way too imprisoned 227 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:51.639 in UM language, you know, like these self imposed mental prisons. People 228 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:56.000 take definitions of words at a subconscious level way too seriously. And you know 229 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:02.200 that's that's definitely beneficial for people to kind of navigate language from a different point 230 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:03.680 of view. And like I think, you know, growing up as a 231 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:08.079 very strict Christian, I'm sure Nick can relate to this UM Hearing the word 232 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:12.599 magic is you know, there's two reactions there. The reaction number one is, 233 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:15.079 you know, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings. You know, 234 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.279 it's fiction, it's cool, whoa shoot a fireball? And then the other 235 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:22.960 reaction is this is evil, it's demonic, you know, keep it away 236 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:29.200 from me, or if you're my parents, it's Harry Potter is evil because 237 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:32.799 it's magic, and you're not. All right, Yeah, so those two 238 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:34.039 those two me. But you know, it's like keep it away from me. 239 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:37.519 You know, magic is real, but it's evil, you know what 240 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.359 I mean? So like, I like, I liked you your answer there, 241 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:44.319 but let me let me reform that question because I think that was a 242 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:48.839 great description. But what I really meant to ask was and your understanding why 243 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:56.960 is magic real? Okay? So I mean expect I guess experience is the 244 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:02.440 key of your results. So one of the things I would say, just 245 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.720 I would I can say this about you Okin in particular, is that using 246 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:14.680 it, I have found that I have found a very deepening of much a 247 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:19.279 process that really deepens my relationship with my heart. So I think, yeah, 248 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:25.400 and I think part of what Ekian can do, you know, if 249 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:27.759 you're you know, I'm not going to say it's for everybody, but what 250 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:33.119 it can do is it sort of like strips away these nonsense narratives that we 251 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.720 tell ourselves because we're armoring our heart against being hurt or against you know, 252 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:41.640 things being too scary for us. And that's sort of what I've come to 253 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:47.880 understand is that going through the process of there's a part of the Eunochian system 254 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.359 called the athers. We can talk about that later if you want. Where 255 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:56.839 you're Yeah, so like the ethers are just really briefly, it's this idea 256 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:59.319 of it can be thought of in a lot of different ways, but one 257 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:03.759 of them is like these subdivisions between Earth and Heaven, right, And there 258 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.400 are different ways to approach it. Some people say you should start at the 259 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:10.960 top and then come down. Other people sort of take more about, well, 260 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:12.880 let's build it up like Jacob's ladder and go one at a time. 261 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:18.359 I took the ladder approach, and I found that what that does is it 262 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:23.559 sort of forces you to like confront stuff that you're just holding onto, and 263 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:27.400 the angels are like right in there, they're telling you this is another you 264 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:30.880 gotta let go of this, and blah blah blah blah. And there's sort 265 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:34.000 of like one at a time lifting up a veil from your eyes until finally 266 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:40.920 you get to the top and you actually experience union with the divine and that 267 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:45.039 is like this crazy mystical experience where like in the first time I did it, 268 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:48.640 I saw like this bank of clouds in the vision. So this all 269 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.720 envision. So I saw a bank of clouds below me, a bank of 270 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:57.519 clouds above me, and in the center a silver sphere, and the clouds 271 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:03.680 had these flashing rainbow lights in them, in both of those, in both 272 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.240 the banks of clouds. And then it comes up. The sphere comes up 273 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:11.480 to me, and it's God and he is you know, I can feel 274 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:15.319 as I'm doing this, like this this high almost coming on, you know, 275 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:17.559 not as if you know, don't do drugs, kids, blah blah 276 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:23.519 blah, but you can feel this yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, and 277 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:29.160 you know, boom, there's this like, you know, this big voice, 278 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:30.480 and I've recorded all this stuff, you know, but he's got this 279 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.799 big voice, this big message, and it's all about love. It's very 280 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:40.200 getting, a very core message of love that isn't just limited to one thing. 281 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.640 It's like this very universal love. So I don't see anything wrong with 282 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:48.440 that, right, And I can actually see yeah, and I can see 283 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.720 if you experience that that viscerally, then all of a sudden, Okay, 284 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:56.759 I can't deny this experience one and too, I'm going to have to like 285 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:02.440 re orient my entire approach to life. Doesn't mean I need to throw it 286 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:04.519 all away, but I need to make some changes here at home. Yeah, 287 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:11.680 so what it sounds like to me is in completely different terminology. Sure, 288 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:17.119 you're you're describing a spiritual system that has genuinely helped you strip down the 289 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:19.559 ego. Absolutely, Yes, that's that's a perfect way of describing it. 290 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:25.079 Yeah, I mean that's that's that's really fascinating. Yeah. And it's at 291 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.759 will. Yeah, it's at will. You know it would that would only 292 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.079 took me eleven minutes, so you know, that was it and that was 293 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:32.799 over, and I was just like, wow, you get to the end 294 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:36.079 of the roller coaster ride and then that's it. So but yeah, I 295 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:40.400 that's that's sort of my approach. So I usually recommend people start with like 296 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:42.119 the ethers that are lower, like kind of closer to Earth, so it's 297 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:47.440 not too oooh, you know, just getting a decent start, you know. 298 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:51.200 Um, it's gentler that way. Yeah. You don't want to break 299 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:55.000 through to the highest level and see like giant green, formless blobs or something. 300 00:21:55.359 --> 00:22:00.440 Well even if yeah, well even if you do start going at that 301 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.079 highest level, you'll see something. It'll just be like kind of blocked off. 302 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:07.880 It won't be it will be completely there because you're not ready to be 303 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.039 there yet. Well yeah, or like you can get like a hint of 304 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:15.519 something, but it's like how much can you describe that universal love before you 305 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.519 if you haven't stripped all this stuff, you get something, right, but 306 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.960 it won't it won't be it'll the signal to noise ratio won't be that. 307 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:29.240 That sounds like descriptions I've heard of mushroom experiences. Yeah, like from people 308 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:33.640 around me who have had experiences that are like I saw something and there was 309 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.880 a door but it was locked and I couldn't go through, yeah, or 310 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:40.839 something like that, or there's an entity shaking his fingers like you're not ready 311 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:45.799 yet. You know. It sounds very similar. Yeah, exactly exactly, 312 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:49.079 so I think, and this isn't I know. I started pretty hardcore at 313 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:53.000 the end of twenty eighteen, but I had actually started in twenty fourteen, 314 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.799 and I got through like ten of the eight ers, and then it clamped 315 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.920 up and I knew it did, and I needed to like take a break, 316 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:02.079 like four years of a break, you know, four and a half 317 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:04.079 years a break. But then I started back up and then I managed to 318 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:07.839 get through all of them. So you know, you got to face certain 319 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.640 things. How did you how did you, um like, stumble upon emoc 320 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.200 how did you or you know Enoki? And how did you discover it in 321 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:18.200 the first place? Yeah, so um, like you both, I've been 322 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:22.240 raised, you know, in a conservative, fundamentalist Christian household. Jesus is 323 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:25.880 coming back, the world's ending, all of that, and um, it 324 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:30.119 was something that I rebelled against when I, you know, turned that magic 325 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:34.119 age of eighteen. It can be on my own. So I started exploring 326 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.359 all things magic. And there was this Um there still is this great place 327 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:45.359 in Minneapolis, in a place called dinky Town in Minneapolis known as Dinkytown, 328 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:49.680 right. I think it's changed his name a little bit. It's Megas something 329 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:53.039 or other, but it's still in Minneapolis, and it's by. It was 330 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:56.839 run by and I think he still affiliated with this guy named Roger, Roger 331 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.400 Williamson, and he was a really nice guy from the kay. I always 332 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.720 wished me have a wild evening, you know, that sort of thing, 333 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:07.839 you know, every time. It's really nice. But I remember just reading 334 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.319 absolutely every kind of magical text. They took more of that Western tradition because 335 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:14.839 you know, that's where we all kind of start as like what do we 336 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.720 do this, you know, and our system and isn't really as continuous like 337 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:21.440 it is in the East, so we have to like have a lot of 338 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:23.400 people figure stuff out, write a book about it, explain kind of like 339 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:29.799 the basics all of that, sell an ebook exactly. And Pinocchian kept coming 340 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.839 up as like this is a really powerful system. You better watch out for 341 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:36.160 this. Alista Crowley used it, by the way he did. Yeah, 342 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:40.079 he was. He was part of the people one of the later generations who 343 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.440 you know, took the material he had and felt like the Golden Dawn wasn't 344 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:45.559 giving him everything he needed, and he actually took his own trip through the 345 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.720 ethers and he the later ethers they were kind of locking up on him as 346 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:53.880 well. So do the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn Usinokian They well, 347 00:24:55.720 --> 00:25:00.720 yes, so that the original order died out, but it's sort of had 348 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.960 revivals that have like come back. But yeah, so they use that and 349 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:07.240 that was actually some of the mysteries they had for people who would like complete 350 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:12.359 this task of you know, get obtaining knowledge, full knowledge and conversation of 351 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:18.000 the Holy Guardian Angel. They would teach them some of this, but it 352 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:21.400 wasn't like as full of a system as we have now. We've just keep 353 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:26.359 on discovering other documents so that other people have you know, shared and stuff 354 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.119 like that. So it's it's been something that over time we've managed to reconstruct 355 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.400 a decent idea from John D's diaries of what it was like and what it 356 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.039 was supposed to be about. Honestly, I feel like I need to say 357 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.400 this for those out there who are listening. Alisha Crowley's a buzzword, very 358 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:44.799 depraved, sick individual. Yeah, but it needs to be understood that like 359 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.119 Alisha Crowley didn't create this material, and just because he tried, it doesn't 360 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:52.160 mean that the material itself is you know, danned or cursed. And like 361 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:55.480 the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn is a very fascinating group. I don't 362 00:25:55.480 --> 00:26:02.599 know much about them. I have seen some material Freemason and and a Rosicrucian 363 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:04.680 this one guy, but that both orders you can double dip in. Some 364 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:07.920 of these orders had sent me some slides from like a Hermetic Order of the 365 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.359 Golden Dawn presentation that I wasn't He was like, don't share this. You 366 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.359 know, I have a friend who's like really high up in the Golden Dawn, 367 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.160 and it was all about angels. It was all about like lesser banishing 368 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.599 of the Pentagram ritual, which is like praying to angels in certain cardinal directions, 369 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.920 you know, trying to commune with Raphael, Michael Gabriel, etcetera. 370 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.880 Et It's very angel focused. It's very like Christian type, you know, 371 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.680 themes and um, I think Golden Dawn is like a pretty fascinating order because 372 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:38.319 from what I understand, like what you're describing, they were focused on trying 373 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:42.680 to use these magical practices just to enhance life and like reach higher states. 374 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:47.079 Yeah, it wasn't a lot of the funny business, and that's why they 375 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:52.759 kicked Allaster Crowley out from what I Yeah, Curley he had an especially troubled 376 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:59.599 relationship with Christianity. His parents were also fundamentalist, but he was not treated 377 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.759 well, you know, and you can imagine like the times such as they 378 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:08.200 were, you know that he you know, it was even worse back then, 379 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.960 Let's put it that way, if you were in the wrong. And 380 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:17.640 so he the thing about Curly is so he he gets h inherits a lot 381 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:22.240 of money and he so he can sort of live this lifestyle where he's searching 382 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:27.160 all these spiritual things from across around the globe. But he's he's very you 383 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:30.000 have to sort of contend with him because he's in this mix. Well, 384 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:34.039 we're all trying to, like the Western or Western magical tradition, is trying 385 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.680 to like fit it stuff together, and he has all these contacts and he's 386 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.240 trying to they're all trying to figure stuff out, and he's sort of like 387 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.680 a central figure. He's also brilliant. But yeah, like you said, 388 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:51.720 he also has I would not recommend. Yeah, that's the thing about Yeah, 389 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:56.680 like Crowley. Crowley he was he I mean, he really liked the 390 00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:59.920 stuff that he published. Alone is enough, like in modern times to cancel 391 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.400 a person like he's, Oh, yeah, I don't, I don't, 392 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:04.519 I don't. Not a part of me recommends Crawley. He's he's he's a 393 00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:08.559 very depraved individual. But you know, the more you study, the more 394 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:15.480 you realize that you can see the history of someone being drawn to these different 395 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:21.039 practices. He truly didn't develop virtually anything, you know, Yeah, I 396 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:23.519 mean it's I wouldn't I wouldn't quite say that. I would say that he 397 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.279 probably he took it in a direction. Let's put it this way, that 398 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:33.599 especially towards his later life, it was very more lily questionable. His earliers 399 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.880 in middle life weren't quite as bad. Um depending on which parts you get 400 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.720 to. Um, but suffice it to say, the guy was the guy 401 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.200 was very smart. He had a very good way of like explaining a lot 402 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:51.079 of stuff. But you know, I guess that's what I mean. You 403 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.799 can and he did inspire, you know, certain ideas and certain ideals that 404 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.799 were probably needed at that time, like you know, following your will instead 405 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.599 of just like always looking to the rule book, like what do I want 406 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:06.079 to do with my life? That sort of thing. Um. So you 407 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:07.240 know, I think most people, if you, if you really read them, 408 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:11.440 really understand him. It's like you gotta have some mixed feelings about him, 409 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.960 but overall, given I'm more on this side, other people were like 410 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:22.000 this, yeah, extreme extreme discernment. But like I guess, to put 411 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.200 it into words, it's like like he is an individual who has single handedly 412 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.920 tainted many practices, but like that's the crazy thing, that's the unfortunate thing. 413 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.680 Like some of the stuff, and I don't say, oh, but 414 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:41.599 some of the stuff he was saying was true because of his affiliation with certain 415 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.559 practices like goldened on and he's got he's gathering information from this order. He's 416 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.119 gathering information from this order, and then he goes and runs his mouth and 417 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:49.640 he makes all of it look bad. I personally think he was a psyop 418 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:53.880 kind of individual. He was British Ami six. My conspiracy brain thinks he 419 00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.799 was planted in there or he was published out in the you know the world 420 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:02.680 or whatever to create the satanic panic kind of Alisha Crowley six six six. 421 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:04.240 Don't get into the occult a tool, you know, Like I don't like 422 00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:08.240 Crowley at all. Yeah, I mean, I guess we could talk a 423 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.839 lot about him, but I mean what I would say is like he's um. 424 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.640 He was probably like a decent in some ways. He definitely was a 425 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.400 spy, you know, during World War One. He really he literally was. 426 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:25.279 He literally was. Yeah, and I think he but I think he 427 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:29.880 also was this sort of person who you know, there's sort of like levels 428 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.680 of intelligence, and I think after in between the wars, I think he 429 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.799 was sort of like, Okay, this guy's got some kind of weird charisma, 430 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.240 so we might be able to use it. So even if he's not 431 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:44.279 actively an agent. I think he was, you know, I mean he 432 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:45.759 was in the mix, let's put it that way. Yeah, yeah, 433 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.480 I don't I don't think he was. I mean a lot of what I 434 00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:52.759 mean, most of what Curley was doing at the time was based on limited 435 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.480 Enochian information anyway, So that's sort of like the thing, the way to 436 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.119 sort of wrap up his involved and yeah, tangent aside, I just want 437 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:06.200 to impress upon people. He experimented with Einoki and that's all I know to 438 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:07.480 that extent. He did not create it, he did not develop it. 439 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.079 It has nothing to do with him. He had, you know, he 440 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:12.359 had a little bit to do with it. Cliff, do you like horror 441 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:17.200 films? Not as much, but I've seen some. So what do you 442 00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.119 got There's a movie. I'll have to find the name of it. I 443 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.519 remember the events of the movie very vividly, I just can't think of the 444 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:30.400 title. And it's about a magician who so this like this woman. I 445 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.000 think she loses her child in like a accident or something. I can't remember. 446 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.960 It's been a few years since i've seen it, but I know she 447 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:41.240 lost her child and she's desperate she's you know, grieving, so she seeks 448 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:47.759 out a magician and they do. I can't remember the name of the ritual. 449 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:55.440 It's actually a very popular Crowley ritual like Abramelan or something like that. 450 00:31:55.480 --> 00:32:00.960 But the movie like shows and Death, you know, the workings of the 451 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.480 ritual and it's it's it's a really cool movie. I have to find the 452 00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:07.359 name for. Yeah. Well, yeah, the abramelin it's actually something that 453 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:13.519 I did do and that's actually they probably like twisted like what it actually is. 454 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.559 It's basically the ritual to yeah, to get your Holy Guardian Angel and 455 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:21.039 to get Yeah, yeah that that happens in the movie. Yeah, exactly. 456 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.880 So yeah, and ten out of ten recommend that definitely getting that you 457 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:29.799 don't need to use Well that's well, are you sure? Yeah, well 458 00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.240 the simple way. Yeah, it's just a movie, you know, that's 459 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:37.200 it. It's not like it's not like a month long like isolation all this 460 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.640 stuff. I mean, there are parts of it that could be depending on 461 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.200 how like the way I did it. Okay, this is like a weird 462 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.880 tangent, but like the way I did it is I followed like other people 463 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:51.319 who had like talked about their experience so basically you're supposed to like pray at 464 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:53.559 least three times a day, and while how you're going to do that? 465 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:55.920 So like literally at lunch, I would go out to my car in the 466 00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.559 parking lot and pray and do this and that, that and the other thing. 467 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:01.480 But I would try to do that and over and over and over again. 468 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:06.480 You know, you're basically trying to make yourself a decent target for your 469 00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:08.640 Holy Guardian Angel. Like, Okay, is this person really taking it seriously 470 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:10.960 or is he just gonna, like, you know, you know, just 471 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.640 give up after a little while. So, like the easiest way to do 472 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:17.440 that, Nick, if you are interested, it's just literally you don't need 473 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:20.720 to do it three times a day. And then there's a whole this all 474 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.599 this other stuff with Abramelin. But you just literally pray each night, God 475 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:29.000 please send me my Holy Guardian Angel in full knowledge and conversation you know so, 476 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.000 and you'll know it's it works if you can do it at will and 477 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:36.039 talk about the movie made it look way harder because it's a horror movie. 478 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.559 Yeah, look, there are a lot of steps that you can add in. 479 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.480 It's sort of like you want to turn up the juice on this, 480 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:45.920 I can do it. That's a whole other conversation. It's it's I don't 481 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:52.680 know, I've I've been I've been particularly fascinated lately with like, um, 482 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:59.559 the Guardian spirit Guardian Angel thing, and also like spirit guides and that kind 483 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:05.759 of stuff. Uh. And and my curiosity is because as far as spirit 484 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.239 GUIDs go, the way I understand it at least is that, um, 485 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:15.239 it's kind of one of those things where they're assigned to you if you can 486 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.320 say it like that, or like before you're even born, or at the 487 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:25.119 moment that your shred of consciousness is kind of manifest into this world. So 488 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:32.159 is to your knowledge, is the Guardian Angel concept similar to that. Yeah, 489 00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:37.400 I would say that's probably It's probably something along those lines. I think 490 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:42.719 that. Um, what I would say is, I mean I'm not you 491 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:47.559 know, I didn't go to divinity school yet, but I'm thinking it's something 492 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:52.840 I thought about actually. Um, but I would say that there's there's one 493 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.639 out there that you can definitely at least one out there that you can get 494 00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.519 in contact with. But the Holy Guardian Angel is particular. And actually did 495 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.639 the astrology on that and it was like almost very complimentary to my own chart. 496 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.079 I have a lot of fire and earth. This one had more air 497 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:08.719 and water in it, and you add it all together. It was like 498 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.559 this perfect balance. Um. I did the chart of like when it actually 499 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:15.880 appeared, and like that was that was a whole other thing where you could 500 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.480 like feel it. Come on, you're in this like weird trance state. 501 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.239 But but yeah, it was, yeah, it was. It was. 502 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.599 It was wild. That was that was quite a trip. So you know 503 00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:32.119 war stories, I guess right then you have you have communicated then with your 504 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:38.159 own holy guardian angel. Yeah, yeah, like so you can you can 505 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:44.360 do it at any time once you're successful with this ritual. Um. Basically 506 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:46.639 it's got it's got to like a lot of overhead. Right. So the 507 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:52.400 idea is partly that you can use this. Originally this idea is like okay, 508 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:53.519 this will this thing will protect you and all that, but you can 509 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:59.079 also use it in case you encounter any like negative entities out there. Boom, 510 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:00.360 you know you're in your place because this is an angel of God, 511 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:04.960 so you can't don't mess with me. You can also use it as like 512 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.320 this idea of an intermediary if you're going to speak with any other higher angel. 513 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:10.719 Let's say this is the one you go to, and they're like sort 514 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:15.559 of dialing it up. Yeah, a little bit like a wingman, right, 515 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:22.000 I got you. I like that. But also yeah, but also 516 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:27.119 also it's sort of like um, it's it's also a bit of like a 517 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.039 coach, a bit like a like a friend, a bit like you know, 518 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.840 just a whole blend of other of a lot of different things that's trying 519 00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:38.119 to get you say, Okay, you need to get on this this thing, 520 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:42.119 or watch out for this thing, or here's some wisdom or here's this 521 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:46.000 other thing. I actually went straight from from that Holy Guardian Angel process, 522 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:50.400 and I just knew, okay, I needed to keep going. And you 523 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.480 know, I was like, I'm going to do anoka and Hj's like, 524 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:54.280 great, you know that's what you you know, that's what you should be 525 00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:59.159 doing. And you know I've been doing it ever since pretty much. How 526 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:04.920 would you describe ribe the actual like message receiving part, if that makes sense? 527 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:10.519 Right, So, the the way I experienced the Holy Guardian Angel when 528 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:15.559 he first arrived, he arrived in like this black if you have you ever 529 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:20.920 seen like galactus almost like this, Yeah, he looked like that, except 530 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:22.559 it was like it's sort of like that. It was like black. He 531 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:27.119 was dressed a lot in black, but he had like this golden triangle at 532 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:30.079 the at the center. And I'm not making this up, by the way, 533 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.840 you know, I know I've read the book and all that, but 534 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:35.920 yeah, yeah, it's it was just like that. And if you if 535 00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:37.760 you listen to him, it's like his voice is like an octave lower. 536 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:43.320 You know, he's like, you know, boot blah blah blah and so 537 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.360 um, very authoritative, interestingly a lot more aloof than I thought he was 538 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:52.400 gonna be at first. Um, maybe to you know, maybe because you 539 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.679 know, I'm I'm overly agreeable, so he's like I'm gonna like split the 540 00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:58.360 difference here and just be like, okay, do this. You know. 541 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.239 So I don't know, but he's he's got stuff to say, and he 542 00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:06.039 guides me. And there's a whole other thing. Like I saw his sigil 543 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:08.519 in the silver, just like the ritual says. So it was just it 544 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:12.480 works, you know what do you mean by that? So you can actually, 545 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.960 Um, there's this part of the ritual where at the end when you 546 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:19.679 sort of like achievement unlocked in a video game. You know there's this part 547 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:22.079 where you can tell it's happening. You're supposed to like have some silver next 548 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.199 to you, right, so I had like the material silver, silver, 549 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:30.039 right, like in what form physical solid? Yeah? My wife? Yeah, 550 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:37.480 Yeah, it's it's like the Tree two one thousand. Okay, but 551 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.960 you're supposed you know, you're supposed to like achievements unlocked, and then you 552 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.000 know you're supposed to look in it and like you can see a little piece 553 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:46.960 here it's got this is a different one, but you know, I looked 554 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:51.480 in it and I could see if you've ever seen like um, like a 555 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.079 flash light or you know flash photography when in a completely dark room and you 556 00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:59.119 get that afterburn on your retinas, Yeah, it was like I could see 557 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:02.159 his sigil in the silver like that. Okay, that's and that's it's it's 558 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.960 one of those rare times where it's like boom, like there's that actual, 559 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.440 you know, visual that's like beyond just like a lot of this stuff takes 560 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.639 place in the maginal, but that one, it was just like wow, 561 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.119 I can actually like see this, see this Okay, So okay, I 562 00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:22.400 have a I have a weird uh maybe completely unrelated follow up question, how 563 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:29.920 could that happen? We're only talking about angels, dude. That that really 564 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.639 that really kind of blew my mind for a second, because, um, 565 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.639 the thing you're talking about with the the afterburn, you can almost see something 566 00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:43.000 like an afterburn. Yeah, no, I mean I saw it. It 567 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.880 wasn't afterburn. It was like it was literally in the silver, just like 568 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:51.559 that. It was like, that's how I see. Ever since I was 569 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:57.360 a kid, I see stuff like that. Sometimes I see stuff like it 570 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.039 just happens in my eyes. It's like I'm just seeing and usually it's it's 571 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:08.519 it's it sounds weird, but it's like vague geometric shapes, like really vague, 572 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:14.480 and sometimes they move, but it's always at the center of my vision. 573 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:20.599 It literally happened today and it hasn't happened to me in quite a long 574 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:28.039 time. So that's just seems really synchronistic. Yeah, whatever the word is. 575 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.039 I found that. You know, if you're writing synchronicity waves and stuff 576 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.480 like that, a lot of times what will happen is you'll get like this 577 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:37.599 energetic presence coming into your life. So like literally here I am and then 578 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:39.920 all of a sudden that that part of you like work starts back up. 579 00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:44.440 If you're want to work with those, my recommendation is write them down, 580 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.079 write down, make a drawing of what you see, and you may get 581 00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.280 a sense and intuition what have you that that can be used for something. 582 00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:00.000 So you know, like like this is like a sigil of an angel or 583 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.880 sigil of you know whatever. You know, like so yeah, that's the 584 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.440 specific memories that I have with it. And this is just I can't even 585 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:14.079 believe I remember this because I was probably eleven or twelve, but my friend 586 00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:17.239 Jesse Smith was overshot out Jesse Smith. You know him Ryan, right, 587 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:22.280 you know I didn't know him that well, but everyone knew him. Yeah, 588 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.599 yeah, great guy. He's a great guy. Um yeah, I 589 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:30.159 remember he was at my house one time and we were playing you know, 590 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.039 we're just kids, like making up stupid games. So he's like, close 591 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:36.679 your eyes and I'm gonna move and you have to like tell me where I 592 00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.280 am or whatever. So I did it, and I swear to you do 593 00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:46.920 this is gonna sound woo woo. That thing that that after burned thing followed 594 00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:52.920 him. It followed him when my eyes were closed, and every single time 595 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.679 I would point and he would be exactly where I was pointing, and he 596 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:04.679 I even remember him saying, how are you doing at That was maybe maybe 597 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.639 the first time I can remember that thing happening. And it's so like random, 598 00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:13.519 few and far between when it does happen, and usually it doesn't really 599 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.119 correlate to anything. But my mind is kind of blown right now that we're 600 00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.719 talking about this, to be honest, Yeah, I honestly I've never heard 601 00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:22.480 of anything like that, like the imprinting in the silver, and like, 602 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.920 I think it's cool that it is silver because just like the alchemical you know, 603 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.239 relationship there and that's that's super cool. Um. I was going to 604 00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.440 ask, is is Enokian safe? Like? And when I say safe, 605 00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.039 let me let me finish the question so you fully know what I mean. 606 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:44.039 When I say safe, I mean for the thinker out there who might be 607 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:49.119 opening their mind to things but still are a little on the scared side. 608 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.480 Safe in the sense that nothing darker evil could penetrate through you see what I'm 609 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.559 saying. Yeah, So, um, if you're worried about that, the 610 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.480 first thing I would say is be a good person, lived good life and 611 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:02.719 be a little humble for God and all of that, Right, you know, 612 00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.840 and maybe meditate a little bit. But you know, it's sort of 613 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:09.119 that phrase, you know, by by their fruits, you shall know them. 614 00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.440 You know. Well, if you're not producing good fruit, then why 615 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.880 do you expect anything, you you know, something good to grow off this 616 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.440 vine. But I would say that, um, it's it's high octane. 617 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.239 I would say it's in the top three of octane things I've done magically, 618 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:30.559 and it's way it's very it's also very like, very well integrated. Let's 619 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:34.639 put it that way in terms of all aspects. It's a sound system, 620 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.199 it's very well developed. Yeah, I mean there's yeah, I would say 621 00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.639 that's that's exactly right, especially in later years since we've done a good job 622 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.760 of like recon when I say we like the you know, Kane community. 623 00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.119 Yeah, sure, history of people working on this exactly. What I would 624 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:53.119 say is, um, the easiest, the safest way in terms of like 625 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.880 you wouldn't just play with gasoline in your front yard and unless you want to 626 00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:02.000 be a part of a future meme, um, you know, is to 627 00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:07.840 actually, you know, start with something very simple, like I start with 628 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.079 one of these things. So we've talked about the Enochian language at the beginning. 629 00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:15.280 So a lot of what's come what was delivered was a whole lot of 630 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.280 like do this. Then the other thing. Here are the descriptions of what 631 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:22.920 the angels are. But then the way to like make contact with certain certain 632 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:27.559 angels and certain parts of the system is you need to make these calls in 633 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.199 Enokian, which is basically a long almost like a psalm, but it's in 634 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:35.960 the Unochian language. And make the one I would I suggest to most people 635 00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.400 who are just getting interested in this sort of thing is make the call to 636 00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:44.239 this very low close to earth ether called texts. Ironically I live in Texas, 637 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.719 but make this Yeah, I know, right, but make the call 638 00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:52.760 to texts. And it's very it's usually just like okay, you know, 639 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.800 I'm seeing like this vision but it's not too bad. And there's like certain 640 00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:00.119 markers to know that you know that most that is common across other people. 641 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:02.880 That's sort of like one piece of evidence that okay, this is like a 642 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.039 real thing, because how would these two different people who have no like relationships 643 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.480 start seeing similar things? But that would be sort of like the the easiest 644 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:15.119 entry point. And that's what I offer people from time to time whenever halftime, 645 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:16.440 I'll like say, hey, you want to like get on this, 646 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.320 you know three you know, this starts this weekend, and I'll do it 647 00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:22.960 every three weeks just for free, just you know, read off the call 648 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.159 to people, explain, give like a very shorter spiel of what you know 649 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:29.440 kan is and then just do that. And you know, people seem to 650 00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.079 like it. And I haven't had any problems. I'm wondering. I don't 651 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.920 know if it's because I've built the furniture and they're getting like that nice insulation 652 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.559 that leads out over the internet or something like that, but I haven't had 653 00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:43.599 people had problems like that, So I think just because we kind of keep 654 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:45.280 it, keep it with the training wheels on that sort of thing, and 655 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.280 not putting a rocket on the back of our you know, skateboards. So 656 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:53.480 it's all been positive for you. Nothing, nothing, nothing. If you 657 00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:59.599 have to confront your own ego, that's never right, right, but you 658 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.280 know that, and you know you just gotta let go a little bit and 659 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:06.000 you know, grow up a little bit. And that's yeah, that's one 660 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.239 of the things that's done. It's really um helped mature me me. I 661 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:13.880 would say, UM, way faster than normal life. But um, doesn't 662 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:15.639 mean I'm perfect, doesn't mean that I don't have a lot of ways to 663 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:21.559 go. Sure, that's true. But you know, I would say that, 664 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:23.199 I would say that in that sense Ryan, it is. It is 665 00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:27.920 safe if you are doing it and with somebody who's kind of a little knowledgeable 666 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.079 here and there, and I take emails through my website, you know, 667 00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:34.639 Ken dot Today, and I answer every one of them more or less, 668 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.119 you know. Yeah, So just you know, if you got a question 669 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:42.159 about something, just reach out. You're a resident magician to them, Yeah, 670 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:50.480 reach out, you're so consulting magician. Yes, yeah. So so 671 00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.320 you said, um, top three, Um, what what was the word 672 00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:59.519 you used? Uh, don't so we know it's in your top three. 673 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:01.519 So it's that Oki and one or the other two. I would say that 674 00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:07.360 the Bournless ritual, which is a ritual out of the Greek magical papyri, 675 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:15.199 it's basically it's very yes exactly or resident. Yeah, it's very that is 676 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.599 very. It was something that I mixed in a little bit when I was 677 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:22.280 doing Abermellen, just to you know, I was learning as I went when 678 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:27.480 I did that ritual. Um. But so that was one of them. 679 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:34.400 And the other one is this sort of forerunner to kind of this semi obscure 680 00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:36.960 system. I actually know the original founder, the guy who wrote the book 681 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.000 is not the actual guy who's the founder. Um if you if you look 682 00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:43.679 for an on Amazon, but it's known as ui Zelian Magic. And that's 683 00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:46.199 like a whole other thing that's sort of like coming out. Yeah, it's 684 00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:51.159 come. Yeah, it's because it's brand new and I sort of helped fit 685 00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:54.440 in a small way bring it forward. But it's basically comes out of like 686 00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:58.920 this, um, not an actual book of Moses, but it's sort of 687 00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:01.199 got that name apply to it, known as the sixth and seven Books of 688 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:06.760 Moses. So yeah, yeah, but that one, that one was pretty 689 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:09.480 powerful, cool too, but it wasn't ask another it wasn't for me. 690 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:16.000 Sure I can I ask another kind of dumb question, is Inochian in any 691 00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:20.559 way related to Enoch from the Bible? That's a very good question, and 692 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.320 the answers yes in the sense, so what the angels said is they come 693 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:28.199 down. There's a kind of like this history. If you're interested in looking 694 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:32.239 up justin Sledge's work on John on the Enochian language, as well as his 695 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:40.119 hieroglyphic monad. But what basically the angels told John d is that, look, 696 00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.079 you know, this is like this angelic, this language that was spoken 697 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.119 by Adam and even the Garden of Eden, and it would the last person 698 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.280 to speak it was Enoch, and then they sort of have like this mythical 699 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:57.599 tale of how that then turned into Hebrew. Probably not true from a linguistic 700 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.039 point of view, but from a metaphorical point of view. You know, 701 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.840 you think about a holy language, well, Hebrew is definitely one of those, 702 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.719 um, Hebrew, Latin, Greek, and then of course now Enokian, 703 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.960 which is sort of interesting. It's got you know, it's it seems 704 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.840 to be a language with basically like a lot of irregular forms. I'm not, 705 00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.559 you know, really a linguist per se, but I think that people 706 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:23.119 who who really study it and really look into it, it's hard to make 707 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:28.119 an argument that this is not a language in and of itself. There's a 708 00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.320 lot of precise math behind the language too. We haven't touched that at all, 709 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:34.360 Like oh, yeah, the one fifty three table and how it relates 710 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:38.360 to like the Vesica pisces and and um. It's there's a lot of crazy 711 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:43.920 I mean, we we've really been like pretty surface level. Yeah, can 712 00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.840 scratch the surface. There's I'm I'm asking these questions like I don't know what 713 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:51.480 any of this means. I mean, I've never practiced Enokian, but I've 714 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.840 I've spent quite a bit of time studying it, and I'm it's mind blowing. 715 00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:59.199 I think it would take someone like Cliff spending years and years and years, 716 00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.920 day in day out devoting themselves to this to truly understanding it. And 717 00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:06.800 you've kind of really just stimulated my imagination there for a second, like, 718 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:13.440 are they or whoever the progenitors of Enochian are, you know, aside from 719 00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.280 John d and Edgar Kelly. But the whole system is the claim here that 720 00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:21.039 this is, so to speak, like the Atlantean language that was spoken in 721 00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:27.599 the spiritual realms. So that wasn't something that that Dan Kelly got. I'm 722 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:32.119 gonna like sort of take a step back and sort of talk about a little 723 00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:37.880 bit how Enochian is almost like you take this hyper intelligent guy, juice him 724 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:44.800 up with a lot of divine energy, and it's like through that energetic current 725 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:49.960 almost, it's like you can actually like his was one of the few minds 726 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:53.360 that could actually start working with this. He wasn't perfect by any means, 727 00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:58.880 but I would say that other people who have taken this have gone in different 728 00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.960 directions. Right, My main thing is I'm trying to like see if I 729 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.920 can get more downloads from the Angels, see if they have anything more that 730 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:07.440 they want to show me, you know, and they're you know, if 731 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:12.159 that's if you know I'm worthy or whatever the case may be, or if 732 00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:15.079 I'm if I'm chosen. That's a probably better way of putting it. But 733 00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.599 other people who have taken it, they've gone like there's this guy named Daniel 734 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:23.920 erection are E K s h N, and he takes it through this like 735 00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:30.400 intergalactic kind of way, but everybody's sort of taking their own different take on 736 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:36.079 it, Like he's taking an aliens intergalactic being sort of thing. I'm taking 737 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:37.639 it more. I'm just sort of taking the system as it is. But 738 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:43.159 there are different models that you can use to understand it. And that's why 739 00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:46.519 when other people, you know, people like Crowley or Leavey or taking hold 740 00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:50.239 of it, they immediately want to change it into something that you know, 741 00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:53.000 I'm rebellious in that and sort of thing. But it's like it's like any 742 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:58.920 other tool. It can what it gets used for depends entirely on the person 743 00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.639 using it. So, um, so you could use it for that, 744 00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:06.840 But I wouldn't say that they necessarily said that's what it was, right. 745 00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:09.800 It's just it's like knowing the history of Esoterica and all the literature and the 746 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:14.960 secret societies and how they've like woven in and out of history, it sounds 747 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:19.519 to me like the Anochian system is claiming. You just said that this is 748 00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.159 the claim that Adam and Eve spoke this language. The angel said that to 749 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.480 him. Yeah, okay, so the angels said that to him. So 750 00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:31.480 if this is true, then just through knowing you know, the secret societies 751 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:37.920 and the information that they're guarding, then this would probably be the Atlantean language. 752 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.599 I mean, I know we're taking two systems here. That's okay, 753 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:44.280 let's let's let's dive into a little bit. You know we're stretching here. 754 00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:50.480 Yeah, well so there's It's it's interesting how there are these different claims to 755 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:52.639 authority, right, Like what makes something? How do you know something's real 756 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:57.400 and valid? Well, it's got to go back thousands of years otherwise you 757 00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.400 know it's not part of this hidden lost with but you see what I just 758 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:04.719 said, it's if it's there must be this old wisdom thing. And yet 759 00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.800 if we we also don't want to like get away from this idea that we're 760 00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:12.840 progressing, like we're getting better. So which is it? Are we getting 761 00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.880 worse? Are we getting better? You know? And we It's funny how 762 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:20.119 we never really exactly right reality. We can do we can do both right, 763 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.840 yes, climate change, but we got the Internet about it. You 764 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.679 go to the gym on a Tuesday, you bench press, your body is 765 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:30.360 sore as hell, You're getting stronger. Yeah, it's that simple. Or 766 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:32.800 you may you may not do that and then not get as strong and then 767 00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.199 wonder what's happening and blah blah blah. So there's there's this push and pull. 768 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.079 But like when Christianity first was on the scene, the Romans said, 769 00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:44.480 what's up with his new religion? You ever see like the Book of Mormon, 770 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.079 there's that line, let's go back to biblical times eighteen twenty three. 771 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:52.599 You know that sort of idea You haven't you know? Yeah, But I 772 00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:54.519 mean I'm just saying, like that line is like, oh, Biblical times, 773 00:53:54.559 --> 00:54:00.559 like you know, two hundred years ago or something like that because biblical 774 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.400 times. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. So the whole idea is like, 775 00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.119 um, the Romans were like kind of like, you know, saying 776 00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:12.679 Christianity shouldn't be worth it anything because it's not ancient. Well now it is, 777 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.320 you see what I mean. So like there's this there's this idea of 778 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:20.719 like we want to idealize the past is the past, but there's stuff that 779 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:24.840 people are doing that clearly is interesting, right, and that stuff tends to 780 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.679 survive. But then we tend to think, well, all of it must 781 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.880 have been good when it really wasn't. I guess. More so, what 782 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:35.960 I'm getting at is like in esoterics, I'm a big wisdom tradition guy, 783 00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.679 you know what I mean. I understand magic is real, and my understanding 784 00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:42.519 of it is this, because of what is the truth. We are all 785 00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:45.159 a divine spark of the original consciousness. So when you come in here and 786 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:50.079 you set your intention on some you know goal, you can manifest it. 787 00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.119 You can do it through ENOCHI, and you can do it through this, 788 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:53.280 you can do it through that. I think they all work to an extent, 789 00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:58.119 you know what I'm saying, yeah, but what these systems claim is 790 00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:00.800 that there is a sort of twilight lane uage, Like in the ancient past, 791 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:06.440 before we were purely physically incarnated beings, there was an original holy language 792 00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:08.639 that was and like in the Bible you had the story at the Tower of 793 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.280 Babel, right, supposedly all spoke one language and then boom, the whole 794 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.519 world is split up into languages, different languages to confuse us. Yeah, 795 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:21.000 I know that when my dad was in the presence of the lady and these 796 00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.559 light beings led him to them, they sang in a language that he couldn't 797 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:28.079 understand it was. He said, it was heavenly. So i'm i'm I'm 798 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.960 hip to the idea that this is possible, that this that there is some 799 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:36.159 sort of language that we presently don't understand, that has some sort of vibration 800 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.599 that could, you know, make wonderful things happen. I'm curious, like, 801 00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:43.119 is it is it Enochian? So I would say, I would argue 802 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:47.519 that there are probably languages that do that. And I would say, like 803 00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:51.639 if the one of the predecessors too, like people who like, well, 804 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:55.199 you knowin that's the angelic language. Well, it turns out Hildegard of Bingen. 805 00:55:55.800 --> 00:56:01.800 She is a saint who you know, had angelic words that interestingly none 806 00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:06.239 of them are you know, you can't compare and contrast because there wasn't really 807 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.840 a whole lot of overlap between those two languages, between d Zinochian and then 808 00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:15.480 hild the Guard of Bingen's linguic not a the unknown language. But I think 809 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:19.480 that there are languages that are filled with power, and even going back to 810 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:22.519 like ancient Greece, they would like yeah, even like Latin, but like 811 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:27.760 in ancient Greece, they would have like um barbarous words that somehow or like 812 00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.920 these long words and you find them in that the Bornless ritual that I mentioned, 813 00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:36.679 where they're just these long words and you vibrate them like that and then 814 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:40.320 all of a sudden it's like you hear this stuff. Yeah, I was 815 00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:45.119 inquired. I like, hey, let's go. But um, I would 816 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.639 say, I would say, there's a couple of things. So like, 817 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.440 on the one hand, there's like this practical if I do this, am 818 00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.159 I having this experience and you can get that with a with I'm at this 819 00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:58.760 point now where I can get it like with English words. If I just 820 00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.239 vibrate it correctly. But on the other hand, yes, there are certain 821 00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:07.880 languages, you know, gain especially that have like that extra special sauce to 822 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:17.760 stay absolutely oh absolutely yeah. But it's it's interesting that a lot of I 823 00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.119 almost wonder if the reason why John D sort of like got selected by the 824 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.679 angels is that he was interested. And I won't take up too much time, 825 00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:30.119 but I'll like, I'm on the edge of my seat here quick so 826 00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:34.880 very interesting, so like really quickly right, So Nick, you got your 827 00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.400 hand on the cat, right, But we got this idea of the word 828 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:43.480 cat, right, but we could call it anything. That's the idea of 829 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:47.039 this nominalist language, right, But imagine this idea of like speaking words into 830 00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:52.760 existence. It's sort of like that idea of not just the cat of not 831 00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:54.599 just like I am I'm going to say the word, but there is some 832 00:57:54.840 --> 00:58:00.480 the map is the territory. That's this idea of real realism, okay, 833 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:06.000 son omalism versus realism. John D was very influenced by this idea. And 834 00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:08.079 if you think about it, the words that I speak, if I say 835 00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:13.480 to you peace, all of a sudden, it changes your entire central nervous 836 00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:16.920 system. Compared to if I say any other word. But the funny thing 837 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:21.599 about that is is that that's proven in psychology too. By the way, 838 00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:24.960 yes, I felt that when you said it. Scientifically, I didn't do 839 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:30.880 anything special that word, you know, you know it's like But the thing 840 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:37.000 is is like if you if you um take that idea, you realize that 841 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.760 that's just an extension of as above, so below. And also the other 842 00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:45.559 half to that phrase is as below so above. So you can see why 843 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:50.639 d this idea of magic. It's like there's this isomorphism like the same you 844 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.360 know, God has create, created us in his image, so we sort 845 00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:57.800 of have, like you said, Ryan, this spark of divinity that all 846 00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:00.360 of a sudden is oh, okay, I have like this, I have 847 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:06.360 this responsibility as a divine being to make things right and better for the world. 848 00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.639 So that's kind of like that's a mind blowing thing. So at to 849 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:13.960 sort of know that that I'm telling you, Cliff, You've had me on 850 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:15.840 the edge of my seat and in an hour is not enough for this. 851 00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:20.960 And I have so many more questions I have Yeah, no, go for 852 00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:24.320 it, go go, I have one more question. Sure, um dang, 853 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:29.800 I hide myself up so much oh, okay, is there are there? 854 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:36.679 Are there phrases an enokid, I'm not talking someone like, I'm not 855 00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:42.280 talking about diving into like the ritualistic aspect of things. Are there simple Enochian 856 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.679 phrases that could be used as affirmations to raise your vibration? Is that a 857 00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:49.920 thing? Sure? Yeah? I mean the one I recommend is monans, 858 00:59:50.920 --> 01:00:00.639 which means hearts like you sort of feel that and it's like helped it if 859 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:04.079 you were if you do that, you know you can and then just do 860 01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.480 it, you know. I notice that that that two first two words of 861 01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:09.119 that our own backwards, you know, kind of interesting. Yeah, that's 862 01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:13.239 what I was about to say. First impression of this is it's the same 863 01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:20.079 exact concept as like what the Eastern you know, Tibetan and and booted Uh 864 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.239 traditions are doing with the vibration of vowels to open chakraates. It's it's all 865 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:25.920 the it's it's all the same thing. And real quick, I'm actually a 866 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:31.960 dual you know, Kian Buddhist practitioner. Okay, so cool? Yeah, 867 01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:36.639 what's God? That's so sick? How can you be both? How can 868 01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:44.159 you be Christian? Magic? How can be Christian. Yeah, no, 869 01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.360 I like that. We Jeremy bloed, so yeah, I want what I 870 01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:52.280 want. Yeah, we gotta do another one because because wow, okay, 871 01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:57.239 yeah no, actually I actually just looked at the clock for the first time 872 01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:01.079 five minutes ago, and I cannot believe it's been an hour. Here's here's 873 01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:05.679 the thing we say, like almost every time we have a guest, like, 874 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:08.559 dude, you gotta come back on. I'm gonna put Ryan and Alex 875 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:13.639 on the spot here for a second. Can we and Cliff you know I 876 01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:15.400 you know you two, you're on the spot too, You're in the hot 877 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:22.039 seat. Can we get this on the schedule like a sap for a part 878 01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:27.400 two? Because we know I'm for real, well I know you really, 879 01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:32.159 I feel like we just like barely scratch the surface and I'm literally sitting here 880 01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:37.239 like I can tell you this is this is what guys, Episode ninety four, 881 01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:42.639 this is this is the quiet Nick has ever been on an episode. 882 01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:49.400 And I know that's how I know. That's because I know that I need. 883 01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:53.000 I'm not even kidding. I'm gonna be texting y'all every single day, 884 01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:57.440 like, is Cliff on the schedule? Like I make Part two? I 885 01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:00.039 feel like I feel like a fan right now, like I need part two 886 01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:04.360 right now, whenever you want, whenever you want, you know, I'm 887 01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.679 okay, I'll make room. This is I knew really early on talking with 888 01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.639 Ryan. Okay, I'm gonna be there's gonna be a part. I'm gonna 889 01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:14.639 be playing some kind of part in this small I feel bad because I asked 890 01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:16.000 you like a year ago, and that's just how life goes. And I'm 891 01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:21.000 so sorry. You are so humble right now. Ryan is probably one of 892 01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:22.880 the busiest people I know. I'm not, like you know, I'm not 893 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:28.199 in his life, but I just know dude has got to be same busy. 894 01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:30.599 So I am. But like still, I mean, I hope, 895 01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:34.440 I hope. I hope there's no hard feelings over that. It's really all. 896 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:37.400 There's so much going on and like this, this was an amazing episode. 897 01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:42.199 I'm glad it took so long because exactly how it played out now, 898 01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.400 it wouldn't have been the same. Yeah. Then, you know, by 899 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:47.239 the way, it's my birthday tomorrow, so you guys just made it. 900 01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:52.320 Oh my god, birthday, thank you, thank you. It was it 901 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:55.199 was so much fun. This was like tomorrow President. I could have gotten 902 01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:59.039 from y'all. So tomorrow is April twenty six. By the time this comes 903 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:00.079 out, it's gonna be mayor June, because as you know, we are 904 01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:06.440 front loaded, absolutely happy. We're gonna travel through time. Here as a 905 01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:09.559 today's date, Happy early birthday, and then for the omies win this airs 906 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:15.239 you give him a happy late birthday. Cliff, please tag whatever it is 907 01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:17.519 you want people to find. Okay, yeah, real quick, So, 908 01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:23.239 um, my website is Enokian dot today little little probably you know, arrogon 909 01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:25.639 to me to name it that because there are a lot of other people but 910 01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:31.519 now I bring a lot of other people in so and the for astrology go 911 01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:36.199 to your lightbridge dot com and just try to find the email. I haven't 912 01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:39.840 updated that because I'm also like more busy than I let on. But I 913 01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:44.599 really appreciate you you having me. I've really it was a real honor and 914 01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:47.000 a lot of fun. So thank you so much. It was a blast 915 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:52.639 time. I'm kidding, I'm not kidding. I'm gonna be upset with Ryan 916 01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:57.039 and Alex if this doesn't get on the schedule very soon for part two because 917 01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:01.639 I need more now. That was so good, dude. I couldn't even 918 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:05.480 say anything because I just wanted to listen. That was incredible, Cliff, 919 01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:09.320 thank you so much for coming. Thank you. Likewise, we're gonna make 920 01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:12.880 it happen again, Cliff, great, thank you too. That was so 921 01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:15.960 awesome. All right, I wish yeah, you know what to say, 922 01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:24.320 right, ye, all right, thank you guys. Weird things happened in 923 01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:38.360 the backyard and what so house send I got so weird kind of close your 924 01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:48.239 to my heir stages straight up like spiraling on the inside of it. No 925 01:04:48.360 --> 01:05:15.360 one knows. Wow and shine Happy