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Hey, everybody, welcome to Rose
Pricks. It's a it's an exciting morning

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here with me and Sets. I
mean, it's Vanderpump Thursday, first of

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all, and I think we're pretty
rev to go. I know you've probably

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listened to already eight thousand podcasts about
this already this morning, but this is

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really kind of the one besides La
Laws, besides anyone's like specifically affiliated with

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the show. I'm gonna go ahead
and say those are better. But besides

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all those, like this is where
it's at, guys, But are those

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even better? Yeah? Yeah,
I mean they're great. La Las is

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great. She just doesn't give a
shit and I love it, okay,

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But I mean it brings us because
you know, everybody on Whispering and all

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these things, like one person will
listen to Lala's, one person listens to

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Jack's, and so we all kind
of combine our knowledge and piece everything together,

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you know, And that's what we're
here to do. That's what we're

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doing because there's a lot here.
I just always wonder with people, you

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know, So you and I I
don't know if you know this, but

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you and I break also break down
the Bachelor that was our real we do.

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I know it's been it's been a
bit, it's been a minute,

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but we do. And one of
the things that I find about the Official

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Bachelor podcasts is that nobody seems to
be able to be fucking honest about anything,

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like they all have to keep it
all like you know, oh,

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we love everybody, do you.
That is such a good point, and

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Bravo welcomes it. They welcome it, and I will remind you because I'm

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gonna because I'm so proud of it, and I'm going to just talk about

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it every week. When I went
to Schwartz and Sandy's and I got my

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intel about a month or so right
after this broke in March, right,

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I was so proud of myself that
I got this person to just like spill

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it. And this person specifically was
like, I signed an NDA, but

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fuck it. And then they told
me everything right. And then I realized

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later talking about it with a friend
that I was like, they wouldn't,

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they wouldn't sign an NDA and then
just tell a complete stranger who's sitting in

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their booth or whatever at a restaurant, like they're fucking with you. Everyone's

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fucking with everybody. Everyone thinks they
have info everybody you know, it's all

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just like some bs, but there's
no way. My guess is that Lisa

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was like anybody that asks you tell, you make them feel like they're part

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of this story, and you let
them go off and tell whatever story they

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want to tell. That's kind of
what I That's what I thought when I

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later talked about it. Thought about
it because I don't think that that person

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would sign an NDA and that just
told me everything. But oh, maybe

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they knew that the word was out
anyway, I guess, well, this

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person was going to be filming.
That is something I didn't tell you,

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guys. I don't know why I
didn't tell you, but this person is

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going to be on the show,
but we didn't know them yet. So

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they have they have filmed for like
they're starting to film for the next season,

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I guess. And this person was
on, yeah, being filmed.

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So part of that makes me think, like, Okay, they just want

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to be in the story and they
know they're doing their job by telling me.

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Who's then going to go do my
job by telling you? But they

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didn't know you have a podcast.
No, I didn't say that. I

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was just like, I kind of
couldn't take it anymore because they were just,

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you know, we just everybody's just
shooting the ship. And then I

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was like, okay, so tell
me what's up. Where's Rockell where?

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And that's when I got all this
coop like Rockell's never been there was no

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rehab. She and Tom had gone
off to some like sex fest together we

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you know, some resort, right, which looks like it did happen.

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And then you know, I guess
the other stuff is just that's not an

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NDA thing. You can say I
think she is the meanest person in the

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world, you can say all those
things. That's not an NDA related thing,

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right. So do we believe the
latest news since the last time we

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recorded, which is that Roquell and
Sandoval have broken up? Do we believe

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that? I mean? I So
the news came out yesterday, the day

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of the finale, and the theory
is that they they think that it was

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just you know, just to kind
of soften the blow, to make them

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look a little bit better once the
reunions start airing and everything, to make

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to make people have a little more
sympathy for them. But according to Ariana

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and a lot of people online,
it's bullshit. It's total nothing. You

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nothing Sandoval says is ever really you
take it with so like an entire beach.

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There's no grain of salt. He's
a liar, She's a liar.

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Like so, there's no way to
you know. Their publicists got together and

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tried to soften this a little bit. And I don't know. I mean,

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I don't even think they were really
fully together. None of this makes

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sense. I mean, I think
they were having sex, for sure,

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and I think that it was terrible. But I and I think the sex

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was probably terrible too. I think
once they have their first sober sex,

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they're going to be like, oh
god, well this was her first time

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having sex ever with somebody who she
cared about, so right, even though

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she was engaged to James, Right, but okay, whatever. I'm sure

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he loved that. Oh He's just
he was a mess. He was a

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fun mess. I know, people
get mad when I say that. I'm

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not saying James. I never said
he was a hero. I never said

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that. I think he's done some
despicable things and said terrible things, but

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he has been like the comic relief
that we needed this season. I guess.

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So, I mean he's kind of
the voice of reason. This last

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time, I do want to tell
you one before we get into this.

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I had an interesting conversation on Twitter. I wasn't writing anything. I was

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minding my own business and scrolling,
you know, and a lot of people

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were right. They were talking obviously
about Tom and Rachel. We're going to

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call her Rachel because if Ariana can, we can. So they're talking about

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her, and somebody said, you
know, I'm pretty sure she's on this.

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I think that she's on the spectrum
talking about Roquel Rachel. Okay,

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They're like, she's on the spectrum. She doesn't seem to, you know,

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And they listed all these reasons,
and I got kind of agitated,

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and I wrote, she is not
on the spectrum that is offensive to people

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who are unless you mean the spectrum
of psychopathy. She has no empathy or

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remorse, which has no relation to
the spectrum. She mimics because someone said,

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well, she just mimics people,
like if someone talks one way,

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she talks that way. So I
wrote, she mimics people because she's a

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stupid demon to quote Lalla. So
I got a lot of likes, people

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like, we're happy that someone said
something not everything is a pathology, right

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or not everything's a disorder, Like
she's just an asshole. So then this

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person wrote, and I wasn't arguing
with this person, but they wrote,

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I mean, my son is autistic, and I don't find this offensive.

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She very obviously cannot pick up on
social cues, among many other things.

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There are good and bad, all
types of people. She definitely made bad

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decisions, but it doesn't mean she
isn't neurodivergent, which I wasn't saying.

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I wasn't giving like I wasn't assigning
a morality to it. I'm just saying

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the things that she does are not
necessarily signs and being on an autistic spectrum.

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Right, But well, when you
say she's a stupid demon, that's

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definitely signing a morality to it.
If I oh the demon part, I

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guess yes, No, I'm saying, no, she's a terrible person.

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But it doesn't mean like I guess, what they were saying is being on

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the spectrum doesn't mean you're good or
bad. That's what they were saying.

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I'm saying she's not on the spectrum, but she is a bad person.

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Those two things are unrelated. Like
I wouldn't, do you understand, I

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mean, I just I I I
can't diagnose anybody, and I don't know

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enough about it, but I would
say that it is offensive. I would

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imagine that's regardless of what that woman
says who has a kid on the spectrum,

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I would imagine it's kind of insulting
to a sign like what else does

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she do? She doesn't have a
problem with eye contact, She's just vapid

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and doesn't and has no empathy,
and that is not a sign of some

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on the spectrum. That's exactly what
I was trying to say. I agree,

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I'm agreeing with you. Yeah,
but I do I will say,

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I'm I'm saying something about her morality, like I think she has none.

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I don't think she has a moral
compass at all. Right, That's That's

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what I thought was so strange,
is like why because I feel like,

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you know, we've talked about all
the everyone's add everyone's in ours to everyone's

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like, no, can someone just
be a dick? Well? The problem

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is anything, it is, it's
very it's self centered, like to a

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huge degree, because even after getting
caught, there's no like, oh my

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god, I'm the thing about me
is you know, which is something she's

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saying now I've read, is that
she's saying that she has always she has

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a problem with you know, like
love addiction, and that she seeks validation

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you know, through men, which
which I understand could lead her to just

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not care about the feelings of others. She has to get what she needs.

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And if this guy is feeding her
validation and telling her she's special,

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I think it's a problem with that. She has no sense, no self,

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like, no self at all.
The problem that I have with the

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whole thing is how many of those
cast members made her into something She's not

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gave her these qualities of like a
great friend, loyal like, she's none

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of those things. And she's proven
like everything we've seen of her on camera

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has been a pretty terrible person.
Like there's not been any Every scene from

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the from the time that I started
watching, has just been her not caring

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about other people's feelings, bulling her
way into, you know, bulldozering her

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way into people's conversations, and just
not having any understanding of how she affects

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other people. But then people just
put up with it. But I also

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that's why I got a little annoyed
on Twitter because it was like, we

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don't need to a sign, there's
no like, yeah, she's just an

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asshole, Like she's not you know
what I mean, and like you said,

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doesn't have the other qualities that would
even from what I understand, I

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don't she's not in any way acting
like she's on the spectrum. I mean,

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I don't get what they were where
they're even getting that, because that's

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not a quality, like you said, of that of not having empathy.

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That's not what that is. That's
not what that looks like. Yeah,

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so that's just that I did think. I mean, I'm I had no

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issue with someone saying, look,
I have an autistic son until this is

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my experience. But I think they
were misunderstanding what I was saying. I

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think I wasn't saying It would make
more sense if they were like, listen,

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I have a son who is a
serial killer and he doesn't have any

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empathy. And it just like really
bums me out when people don't have any

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allowance for people that don't were born
without empathy, like a sociopath, Like

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I have a child who's a sociopath, and I don't I think we shouldn't

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be so quick to judge sociopaths,
then we could be like, whoa,

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I think we can judge sociopaths because
they kill people, right, correct?

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I mean I think we can judge
Roquell because she fucks people's common law husbands.

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She is absolutely, I believe truly
a psychopath, which which was said

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to me by this person of Schwartz
and Sandy's too, that flowed right out

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of their mouth. It was like, nope, just a complete sociopath,

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psychopath of rocket. I was like, come on, some of it's for

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show, right, and they're like, nope, nope, psychopath. So

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I mean, here we are,
okay, so can we just talk about

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the gulping the sand of all?
So they so, all right, let's

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just get to Ariana's on the couch. They they lived together still, so

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the news has already come out.
It's come out two days prior to when

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they say they turned cameras back on, which seems a little fishy with the

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timeline, but okay, that's what
they're saying. So then so they're sitting

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on the couch. Our article is
really long article and I can't remember where

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it was something maybe not the La
Times, but something like that, where

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they talked about the fact that right
after they found out, Arianna went straight

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to the producers. It was as
soon as she found out, like that

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day, that night or whatever,
and the producers hooked up the cameras and

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they were already done shooting for the
season. I'm yeah, and then they

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came over right away, and so, yes, some of it is kind

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of recreated, but apparently they hadn't
really talked. And this is just what

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you know, people who love being
on camera are about. They understood the

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assignment, which is basically like,
you guys are going to have any conversations

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that you have on camera, wait
till we get here. Yeah, so

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I believe that this was kind of
real. Oh, I believe it too.

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They just didn't what I think.
Arianna just refused to deal with him

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until the cameras were there. Well, and she What I was so grossed

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out about though, was he First
of all, he's in flip flops,

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just flip flopping around his house acting. She's sitting on the couch so upset,

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and he like goes and gets a
red whatever you got, like a

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soda. He's making so much noise, he keeps sighing, so like,

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Okay, you're you're her, You're
sitting on the couch right, I'm Tom.

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And he's just like flip flopping around. And then he's like, it's

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like sometimes when our dogs get you
know, it's like we know you need

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to go out. It's like then
he comes over with the soda, and

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may I don't know about yours,
but my misoponia was in full swing because

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he pops open the soda and then
takes the biggest gulp out of it,

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and then they it's like, did
editing just add a swallow? Did they

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add like an whole swallow there?
Because it made me? Then you see

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her face, she's like she's pissed. She's obviously, but I would have

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been pissed more for the gulping.
And then he's like every time my druid

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apologized you you get more mad.
Yeah, buddy, he's already calling her

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dude, right, And doesn't she
say something like, but you haven't even

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actually tried to apologize to me.
Yeah, She's like, you haven't.

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He didn't really, right, didn't. We didn't see it. He's like,

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you never actually apologize for what happened. He's like, I never wanted

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to hurt you. Dude, I
never wanted to hurt you. But I

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love when he says something like do
you want anything and she goes for you

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to die? Yes? Yes?
Oh goes that mean? Oh god nothing?

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Is he philosophical? Is he going
yes? Oh well you know we

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all die someday? Like what the
shut up? Tom? Yeah, it's

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like not the time for that.
You fuck with it? Just I hate

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whatever. Okay. So so then
he basically starts to as he does,

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as he's done with Kristen, as
he does with everybody. He's sort of

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deflecting. Well he's totally deflecting,
and he's kind of we see this as

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it goes on, but he's basically
like blaming her. He's blaming Arianna for

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sort of finding out or for not
wanting to leave. I mean, the

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conversation later with Shorts really got to
me, or actually with China. But

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like he's just saying, you know, and then she's calling it. She's

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calling it about you know, like
you just said about Roquelle. Like she's

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like she has no identity. She's
basically this is what a good of a

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person I think Arianna is is that
she's even in all this sort of kind

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of defending Roquel even though she doesn't
care for her. She obviously doesn't like

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her, but she's kind of saying, like, you picked on somebody who

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has no idea who she is.
And then Sandoval comes back with, well,

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she treats me with respect. Can
you imagine can you imagine feeling this

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kind of hurt after finding out the
nine years after, like John cheats on

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you with your best friend and then
he sits in front of your face with

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no remorse at all and just basically
says, well, she treats me better.

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Yeah, it was. It was
terrible, and especially when Ariana you

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could tell that it got to him
a little bit when she's like, I

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loved you when you were driving in
nineteen ninety seven Honda Civic. You have

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no money, no bar, no
band. Now you got a little money,

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You got a little of this.
And then Roquel comes along and gasses

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you up. And that's what you
want, that's what you exactly, somebody

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to gass you up. Totally true. And then when he said to her,

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this is where I was like dagger
in the heart. He uh,

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it's it's not I mean, it's
not about looks. Whoever said it was

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about looks. First of all,
I mean not we're not like comparing,

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but personally my personal preferences that Arianna
is a lot hotter. Oh, I

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don't understand why you would say that. I don't even understand. Can you

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imagine all that if someone's like,
look, it's not because you're she's prettier.

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I mean she is, obviously,
it's not because but it's not,

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that's not the reason because she's like
a you know, pageant queen. It's

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not that. No, it's but
the way he said it was worse.

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He's like, it's not just like
basically he should have said just it would

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have been like, not just about
looks. I just have a deeper like

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how much more painful can he make
it? It's already so painful. He's

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not saying one thing to her like
I loved you, You're beautiful, You're

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everything, and I'm I know,
I'm just going through a crazy time and

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I'm so sorry. Like none of
that was said. It was I have

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a deeper connection with her. She
shows me respect. It's not just that

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she's prettier. You might as well
have just said that. Fuck you,

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Tom Sandoval. Oh my god,
I got so mad. He's vile.

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I'm so cold, so cold,
and I oh god, it was then

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he brings up the sex life again
when he says, like, you know,

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we only have so I wrote this
on whispering, I was like four

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times a year with Sandoval is like
a hero to me. That seems plenty

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well. And I do believe that
she told him why, which is that

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she would need to spend time with
them. And it's like it's hard to

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like have sex with somebody when they're
out having sex with somebody else. Yeah,

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oh god, Well we're going to
get to that where he blames her

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for not finding out. Oh yeah, so that's later. Also, can

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you imagine having that conversation with someone
with like with the white nail polish,

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Like, so someone's breaking up with
you in the coldest, most vile way

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you've ever could ever imagine, and
then they just have like liquid paper on

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their nails. Get the fuck out
of here. I just don't see the

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problem for me is that he's so
sexless to me anyway, his whole and

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it's not just because he you know, is like you know, whatever,

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if he's by or whatever his thing
is, how he identifies, that's not

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that's not it it's not the whole
like hey, gender bending, like nail

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polish. It's just that he has
no there's he's you feel like he's a

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sexual kind I feel like he's a
sexual, and I feel like it's just

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he like would just like to have
sex with himself. Like I picture him

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as somebody who masturbates to like a
pick pictures of himself. And I'm not

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even just saying that to be mean, it's not. It's just I don't

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see him as as having any chemistry
with any woman. Maybe guys, maybe

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I don't know, but he's not
what he's showing with any of the women.

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Feels like he's just likes he likes
himself reflected back, and that's what

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he even says. Yeah, as
soon as he lost his mojo and he

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wasn't getting it anymore, she wasn't
gassing him up, as she rightfully pointed

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out, he needs to move on
to somebody who would What about when he

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finally in that conversation, started kind
of crying and he was like, I

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thought we'd be together or ever.
Well, I just want you to know,

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Steph, because you may have missed
this. He said the exact same

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thing in the exact same tone to
Kristen when when they broke up, the

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exact same thing. I thought we'd
be together forever. Dude, yeah,

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start of guy. Yeah, it's
unbelievable. So then he goes to Schwartz's,

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and Schwartz it feels at first like
he's like a man, our business

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man, you're screwed up, our
bar. I feel like there's a I'm

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sorry, I'm not on Schwartz's side
here either. I feel like he thinks

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it's funny. At first, he's
kind of laughing. He's like, I'm

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not going to pick you when you're
down, bur and all he cares about

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our yelp reviews. That's all he
cares about. He doesn't care about anything.

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He doesn't care about Katie, he
doesn't care about Arianna. He cares

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about like, oh my god,
we're gonna start getting negative reviews. Do

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you think it's weird that Kim calls
her? Do you think it's weird that

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he calls her Arianna and Santaval calls
her Arianna? Like half the people call

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her Arianna and half the people call
her Arianna, And it's very confusing to

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me, Like it is Arianna,
right, Like yeah, So Swartz just

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never learned her name. Honestly,
I can't stand him. I might,

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I might like him less, I
knew less of a personality at all.

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He's just this smimmy, unformed,
like selfish. Yeah, I couldn't believe

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that he was, Like, Oh, I hope people don't blame me.

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Okay, if you had to spend
eighty hours locked in a cell, you

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get water and there's like a little
toilet, private toilet, but not that

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private, okay, and it is
either with Sandoval, Schwartz or James,

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and you're gonna have to stay awake
the whole time because you have to solve

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puzzles and like talk. I don't
know what game show. Don't worry about

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the logistics of why you're into this
puzzle room or whatever. Okay, who

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do you choose? It can't be
James, that'd be a nightmare. Well

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that would trigger me because he just
want to drink the whole time. Well,

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they all would, they all would. Yeah, you're right, you're

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right. Um, I would say
Schwartz does less coke. I'd say the

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other two or more going to be
grindy, which but Schwartz would be of

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no help. He's so aggressively stupid
that I feel like I'd have to go

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with somebody else just because they could
help. Well, well, Sandoval would

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yell at me. He would probably
yell, and so would James, most

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likely until he fell asleep he took
her out. I bet, I bet

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he'd be like all bray that he'd
just fall asleep and I need want to

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cuddle, and I'd be like,
no, we can't. We need to

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get out of here, and he'd
be like, wash, let's do it

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later. So I said, you
choose Sandoval. Well, no, youtoo,

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Schwartz. I would choose Schwartz.
I guess if I had to be

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in a puzzle room, you don't
die if you don't get out of the

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puzzle. It's not like I think
i'd choose James, even though I don't

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like him at all. Interesting,
you'd make me laugh a little bit,

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Okay, all right, I would
just be so annoyed by I'd be so

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I couldn't I hate Sandoval, and
I would be really annoyed by Schwartz.

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Well, listen, I know your
birthday is coming up, and this was

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gonna I wasn't gonna tell you,
but I'm glad you chose James, because

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I have arranged an eighty hour puzzle
room with James and he comes out of

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a room. I have had him
in this little closet the whole time.

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It's something offered by cameo. Listen. I paid seventy five dollars and he

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agreed to do it. Watching his
cameos really bring me so much fear.

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I am so scared. There's not
I don't even think they're funny because he's

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so out of his mind. I
have to watch one. I will send

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you some, Okay. So,
so he's upset about the yelp and then

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he asked, So Schwartz asks,
He's like, can you can you please

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tell people I wasn't like complicit?
Yes you were. First of all,

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Yes you were. Yes you were. So Sandoval has every right to bring

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you down with him. I think
he may. You know, he may

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not have done the things that Sandoval
did, but he kind of did.

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It's not as bad because he was
divorced from Katie. But he used,

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he used, they all used him
as a pawn, and he allowed that

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to happen, even knowing it would
just break Katie's heart for absolutely no reason.

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Yeah, but this is the part
that was so unbelievable. So yeah,

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you know, Schwartz is like,
I told you that you needed to

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tell her or did and then uh, Santa Bal's like, I mean I

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just had a I just had a
feel like she didn't want to know.

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Yes, And he said, well
she had to do this, Well you

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needed to tell her. This is
what would happen, like she'd be humiliated.

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And this is when he's like,
well she should have known, you

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know, like I told her I
was going to Schwartz's and she could have

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followed me, you know, he
said, all she had to do is

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followed. She should have put a
tracker on my car, or like maybe

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she should have installed like a nest
cam at your house, like you know,

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obviously she didn't want to know.
She could have put a tile on

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my penis, Like this is on
her. She needs to own it.

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That was insane. And by the
way, Jack's called this years ago,

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they should have flashback to Jack's.
They've always said they've all covered. They

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all covered for each other for each
other. Sandoval used to cover for Jackson.

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I mean they all cheated on their
respective like constantly, and they all

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covered, and Schwart's always covered for
everyone including so I don't know if you

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saw the season where Kristen went and
got this chick that she said that he

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had Sandoval had had sex with and
and lied about. And so Sandoval had

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left Kristin to date Ariana and had
had and made out with Arianna, probably

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slept with her before he was done
with Kristin the exact same thing, not

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right, and and then he'd slept
with somebody else and Kristin found out about

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it and then flew that woman was
this the vaguest woman I don't remember,

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but she flew her out to sir
while they were working, and it was

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like, confront him. Go up
to the bar right now and confront him.

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So this woman that she had Sandoval
had slept with does that and he's

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like, I never, I've never
seen you in my life never, so

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comes out last night, Yeah,
yeah, I slept with her, right,

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I mean that's a little bit later. But the weirdest thing is Ariana

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knew about it. It's like she
knew and she was trying to cover for

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it that came out that she was
like, yeah, nah, is no

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hero. Later they showed that flashback
where she's talking to Kristen, right and

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she's like, oh, so you
know you think that the answer is to

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like fuck my boyfriend or whatever.
And she has no explanation for that.

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She's like, oh, and she
was constantly gaslighter. She's like, she

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doesn't he doesn't want to be her
boyfriend. She was being she was bringing

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pretty cold to Kristen. Yeah,
part of that was Sandy Ball saying,

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how how crazy Christen is. She's
a mental case, she has borderline,

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she's nuts. She's going to kill
herself if I leave her. Bear with

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me, right, So he said
the same thing. He did the same

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thing, and I didn't believe it. I don't know if you believe it.

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But when he was telling people she
threatened she was killed herself if I

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left her, I don't believe that. It's keeps escalating because before he's just

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like okay. Earlier in the episode, I think, in a part that

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already passed, he says he his
complaint is that he's tried to break up

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with her, but she just pressed
him. And you know, right,

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he never said I was scared to
break up with her because I didn't want

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her to hurt herself. He only
brings that up later, Like I think

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he's just trying to save himself.
I don't think I think that that.

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I'm not sure. And if anything, he brought it up later though,

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because he had to have some reason. He had to have some like you're

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saying, I don't know if it's
true or not, I don't know.

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But if it is true, even
whether it be either way, it's the

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most disgusting thing to share with someone
that you dated for nine years. Yeah,

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who has her own issues. So
I think that that's so okay.

404
00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.279
So then so then they're having like
a little party where Arianna is going to

405
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.759
talk and tell everybody. So Sheena
comes over in her little dumb bucket hat.

406
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:42.480
And by the way, I just
want to say, and this is

407
00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:45.559
not I'm not mad at you at
all. And I understand you've been really

408
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:49.039
focused on James and wanting to live
with him for a while. Right,

409
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:52.680
Um, But when I had my
last breakup, like I did not have

410
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:55.880
people come over with champagne. No
one Well, first of all, no

411
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.160
one can come over because my dog. But let's say, men Roe hadn't

412
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.160
been here. Nobody came over with
like booze and like gather around and hugging.

413
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:07.160
And I would like that I just
want to say, on my next

414
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:10.400
breakup, I would like like some
girlfriends to get to get everyone to get

415
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.359
together, I have to have been
with the person for like nine years.

416
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.480
I would have to have I was
with one guy for seven years. Nobody

417
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.680
came over, but you broke up
with him. Well it was mutual.

418
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.400
I guess it was. I mean, I'm just saying on the next breakup,

419
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.640
and he does not have to be
setting it out there that I would

420
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.960
like petation. I want like a
sex in the city group of friends come

421
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.000
over and like sit around and like, let's let's talk about it, let's

422
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:37.079
chat, let's let me, let
me hug you. I could have used

423
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.319
that on the last one. Okay, So they come over for this,

424
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:42.680
but to be fair, there are
cameras there. There are a lot of

425
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:48.160
cameras a lot of cameras. Yeah, so this is her gay friends and

426
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.200
her friend Meredith. Yeah, and
Sheena comes over and immediately makes it about

427
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:56.920
herself. Immediately she starts trying like
she's the one who got broken up with

428
00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:00.680
and she's like, oh yeah,
I just I know no, Like,

429
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:08.359
who are these people? Suddenly she's
Jerry Seinfeld. People break up with you,

430
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.400
I imagine so Katie comes to I
actually believed them though in this scene.

431
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:18.759
I believed their reactions. And what
really kind of annoyed me for a

432
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.480
second though, is I thought there
was a moment where Arianna. I know

433
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:23.519
she's going through her hell right now, it's about her, But I thought

434
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:30.279
in that moment she could have apologized
to Katie about downplayed downplaying rock Helen Schwartz

435
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.880
all season, So I'll season Katie
had to think it was about Schwartz and

436
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.720
Arianna never like really, she just
never got in the middle of it.

437
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.599
No, she never cared. She
doesn't care about Katie. I don't care

438
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.799
about Katie, and she didn't care
when it was her guy who, by

439
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.200
the way, ps she was married, she'd been married, was still married

440
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:53.559
too. Oh yeah, I'm gonna
say something ready. Yes, I don't

441
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:59.720
think any of these people have any
feelings about anybody but themselves. They're a

442
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:04.160
ry, self centered, wanting to
be stars bunch, and I don't think

443
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:08.200
they care about each other or they're
actually know how to be loyal to friends.

444
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.119
I'm not Sandoval. You don't think
that about Sandoval, right. I

445
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:18.160
didn't say Sandoval. I said these
people at this particular party I'm just talking

446
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.319
about her gay friends at the party. I came for them. I'm like,

447
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.599
just her friends who are yeah right, I mean, but it was

448
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.599
very okay, And I'm gonna I'm
gonna step back a little from needing everyone

449
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.519
because you're right, it was cameras
they are gathered around. They all have

450
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:34.599
to, like you said, when
we talk about love's blood, they all

451
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.839
have to sit on the same couch
on the same side. Everyone has to

452
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:44.119
awkwardly sit around. Um okay.
So yeah, that just that for some

453
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:47.279
reason, that's just always triggered me. And maybe that's an off camera conversation

454
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:49.680
that they've had. But show some
something to Katie because she had to,

455
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.480
like she had to do it all
by herself with everyone she and she didn't

456
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.319
get a Bloomingdale's deal, she didn't
get Dancing with the Stars. Oh you

457
00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.079
know, like shed just suffer and
she had to. She was so strong.

458
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.279
I feel like Katie was so strong
up against that short shit. I

459
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.880
think so too. So this part, okay, this part is Arianna's telling

460
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:14.839
the story. Yeah, about how
Tom said that he only kissed her after

461
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:21.319
the Girl's trip and then he so
he all Tom Sandoval does is lie He's

462
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:25.839
just the most lyingest liar whoever lied. All he does is lie, and

463
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.119
every single story has to be fact
checked with other people and it always turns

464
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.279
out that's not the story that's right. So she heard that he just kissed

465
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.839
Roqual after the girl's trip, but
then she finds out they fucked in the

466
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.119
car and then Tom didn't have a
key to get in. They were outside

467
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.119
of the house while she was inside
mourning her dog. Yeah, he was

468
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:52.839
dying. He's having sex with Nashinaecal
in the car and then he comes she

469
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.880
says, he comes over, he
has to knock at the door, she

470
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:56.920
has to get up and let him
in, and then he was met at

471
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:02.400
her. Yeah, yes, and
I believe that. I really believe that

472
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:04.680
three and I love it. Right
after that, so Shena confirms the whole

473
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:07.759
thing back and forth. She did
shove her really hard, but I love

474
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.440
that she's like, I can't even
make a fist when she's showing that her

475
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.079
nails really won't make a fist.
And of course she didn't punch her nail.

476
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.960
Her crazy long nail scratched Roquehill's forehead, right, that's it, I

477
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.680
mean, And she got a restraining
order for that. After all that,

478
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.240
to on top of what a bile, evil, disgusting person she is,

479
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.519
she's going to legally take down like
somebody who has like a kid. I

480
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.759
think that Roquell kidding honestly believes that
she's the victim in all this. She

481
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.519
might she's a Now that's an interesting
part too. When Katie brings up,

482
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.200
she's like, I have a little
information because it's all kind of coming back

483
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.480
to me now. When she was
upset at roqueill like following them around Bravo

484
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.519
con I guess Schwartz said to Katie, She's like, well, don't worry,

485
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.200
she's not here for me. And
now when she thinks about it,

486
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:53.960
she's like, oh, he was
saying all the way back in August,

487
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:57.599
all the way back that oh,
she's here for sand of all, and

488
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:01.480
he knew, of course he knew. And she was wearing a Sandoval.

489
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.799
Yeah, she's wearing the Tom Tom
hoodie. Right, that's nothing underneath,

490
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:12.000
she said, right, which tells
me that they probably went off and had

491
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.680
sex in a hotel room totally,
and then he was wearing her she was

492
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.160
wearing a sweatshirt totally, totally,
totally, and the only reason. Yeah,

493
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.480
that came up. That's the only
way that works. You don't try

494
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.400
to walk around in a sweatshirt with
nothing underneath it for no reason. What

495
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:28.720
was the penis flute that Logan broke? And if the next time someone breaks

496
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:30.079
up with me, we can I
go get it? Will you bring me

497
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:34.319
a penis flute? And just so
we smash? Okay, that's all I'm

498
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.519
asking done. I like that part. Okay, So then we go to

499
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:43.400
James and Ali's house. James,
He's like, I'm not even mad at

500
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.480
Roquel. I'm mad at Tom Sandoval. Why are you not mad at Roquel?

501
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.279
That's see, this is where I
just starting to make me crazy.

502
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.119
It's like, why are people still
like, oh, this is none of

503
00:32:54.160 --> 00:33:00.200
this is Roquel's fault. Yes it
is totally is. Yes Tom Sandoval's for

504
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.640
of course it is. And yes
he was the one in a relationship and

505
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.920
he was the one who fucks somebody
over. But why are all of these

506
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.680
people constantly defending Raquel? Well they
are and they aren't. I mean he

507
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:14.720
said that, and it was weird, but it was really funny basically when

508
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.880
they didn't prank call her, but
they kind of did, Like I laughed

509
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.960
out loud when they were all trying
not to laugh when they call it.

510
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.039
When James called, he's like,
no, I'm calling it quiet. Right

511
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.279
before that though, and Lalla says
Lalla comes in and then she's like,

512
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.079
how are you And he's like,
well, I'm drinking at five in the

513
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:36.039
afternoon. No, that's because you're
an alcoholic. Nobody's me. You're not

514
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.920
like, oh my god, I
mean I would I would never drink at

515
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.119
five in the afternoon. But this
is just this news is so horrible.

516
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.119
First of all, it didn't happen
to your company. To other these people

517
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:50.359
are all acting like this happened to
them, right. The only person I

518
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.240
would throw into that is Katie gets
because I'm so prokay. I love Katie

519
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:57.079
so much. I feel like I
just I think I'm in love with Katie

520
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.119
in some ways. But I feel
like she gets a little bit because she

521
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.440
went through so much torture all season. Yeah, but everybody else, Yeah,

522
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.519
it didn't happen to them. But
it was funny when it's apologizing to

523
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.719
her, like you said, why
isn't anybody like why has There wasn't one

524
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:15.719
scene in all of last night's finale
where people were like, you know what,

525
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.360
Katie, we owe you such an
apology. All you did was try

526
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.920
to warn us this whole season.
All you did was say, like,

527
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.039
you guys, this is not right. And we allowed you to take the

528
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.480
brunt of that, and we stuck
up for her time and time again,

529
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.840
and we were wrong, especially Arianna. I'm so sorry, especially knowing how

530
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:37.360
much pain. And by the way, okay, we'll get to we'll get

531
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.360
to all that, and what people
will push back on with Katie's they'll say,

532
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.519
well, she was such a mean
girl. She was a mean girl.

533
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.880
I've watched these I've watched episodes back. Yes, she was not the

534
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.480
nicest always, but she's certainly not
the meanest of all the girls. And

535
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.599
she's the only one who never cheated
on well, she may have later cheated

536
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.119
on charts, but she never cheated
with anyone in the group. She never

537
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.119
like, she didn't do all those
things. She's not relentless. She may

538
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.519
have had big fights with Schwartz and
they like went at it, but I

539
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.400
think you know, he was constantly
cheating on her, constantly gaslighting her,

540
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.280
like oh my god, yeah,
it made me some matter. Okay,

541
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.679
before we get to the phone call, you're right, La, La brought

542
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:15.960
up that. No, this is
not the first time. Now this is

543
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:22.480
huge. Okay, so they're trying
they're basically this is the first time.

544
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.800
I think I'd seen it online.
But they're suggesting that Tom and Billy had

545
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.079
hooked up. That's information I did
not know that. That comes out a

546
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:35.519
little again later and watch what happens. But that's a big thing that like,

547
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.079
of all the people that you know, he says, he hooked up

548
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.920
with a lot of people, believed
that Billy was one of them. So

549
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:46.880
I believe it, Yes, I
do. Well red somewhere that they were

550
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:52.280
together like a month ago, Tom
and Billy. Yeah, well they were

551
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.800
together as friends. I mean they
were spotted together hanging out. I don't

552
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.880
think they've hooked up since all this
happened. I think they hooked up back

553
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.679
the day. Okay, possibly.
Um, now this is where heat.

554
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:06.000
We'll come back to that. Put
put that. Just that's out there and

555
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.880
we're gonna come back to it.
So then, uh, then then they

556
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.719
make the phone call. When she
answers, Rocke is like, hello,

557
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.760
what's up? Just nothing, he
doesn't feel like it, Just what's up?

558
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.480
Hey, what's up? How do
you feel about what you've done?

559
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.559
How do you feel about it?
She's like whatever, and then she's like,

560
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:29.360
I'm sorry, I don't care about
your whatever. What did you something

561
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.760
about about yourself? How do you
feel about it? You trashed it all

562
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.400
for his stinky old, forty old
cock, that's what he said. Then

563
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.360
she goes, well yeah, and
then she said something and then he's like,

564
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:42.440
you're not the brightest chick. And
then Ali's like, hang up,

565
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.440
hang up. He just hangs up
on her. I laughed. They were

566
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:51.840
just I loved that moment that seemed
very real where they're all so freaking high

567
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.440
school though. I loved it.
I loved it. But she doesn't even

568
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.920
feel it. It doesn't work because
she doesn't even understand what's happening here,

569
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.760
what's here? She doesn't care.
Okay, so now it's rock hell and

570
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:09.159
tom oh god, this is oh
my god, and she's so thrilled.

571
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.639
She this is just a she's like
in a movie about her own life.

572
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.920
To her, she does not care. She doesn't feel any sort of shame.

573
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.440
She thinks it's all kind of funny. Oh, she totally thinks it's

574
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:27.599
First of all, her apartment is
dumb. Not only is she dumb.

575
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.960
Her apartment is just dumb. There
were like weird stuffed animals everywhere, the

576
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.559
pink lights and I love it.
He's like, hey, can we kill

577
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:38.480
the lights and just like put on
some Strobe lights. I need more like

578
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:43.440
strobe lights and like Starry Sorry,
I feel like they're super fucked up here.

579
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.320
They're probably acting right now in the
scene. Yeah, you know,

580
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:51.400
they seem like really out of it. Yeah, dude, where we belong

581
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.679
in hell? Yeah? And she's
like, what, I just think we're

582
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:59.239
two people who are like friends and
like fun love. We're two people who

583
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.440
can feel its Okay. Can you
make the strobe lights more intense because I'm

584
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:08.360
like not feeling the smalley okay?
And then oh the accidental I love you?

585
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:15.559
I love you too? He shut
up? How dare he? This

586
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.559
was? If this is all the
right timeline, this is two days after

587
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.320
like she found Ariana found out.
Maybe it's a week at this point.

588
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.840
I don't know, but that really
was upsetting to me how little he cared.

589
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.039
Yeah, but he did the same
thing to Kristen. So then then

590
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:35.360
when she's like it is like I
feel isolated, like no one's got no

591
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.920
one's on my sae. Yeah,
you are isolated girl, Yeah, definitely

592
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:44.159
isolated. Good luck. Yeah,
and she says the thing she goes,

593
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:45.960
am, I really putting my life
on the line for someone who cheats.

594
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.480
That was the only thing she said
that made sense in her entire time on

595
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:52.599
vander Pump. Yeah. Yeah,
that's what you're doing. And she has

596
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.800
no remorse about it. She just
got concerned about herself, like you said,

597
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.880
yeah. And then she's like,
Okay, my eyebrow, Oh I

598
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:05.760
got a little boo boo on my
eyebrow, Tom, and she's look and

599
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.440
I took it like it took it
like a champ. Do you love me?

600
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.360
Do you want more stroke lights?
And then did you see that?

601
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.559
Then Tom makes his face when he's
looking at her like like he's doing an

602
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:23.480
Elvis impersonation. Look thunk her much
like the lip curl. Yeah, and

603
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:29.079
he's like, oh, I'm not
gonna give you a schnary look. Nobody's

604
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:35.480
gonna scratch scratch my girlfriend. I
know. It was really annoying. Okay,

605
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.960
so then so then I love that. It just goes to the kirot.

606
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.360
It's just like Rachel turned off,
Roquel turned off her phone and wasn't

607
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.760
heard from for weeks. Girl.
No, she didn't really ab if in

608
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.920
case anybody wants to think she was, she wasn't, right, Okay,

609
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:53.159
So then now Arianna goes to Lisa's. So then I don't know what I'm

610
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:57.519
what I meant here? No Sandoval, Oh yeah, when she goes,

611
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.519
you know, Sandoval is down,
he's feeling She's like, no, he's

612
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.840
not. He doesn't feel bad about
this, right. I like that.

613
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.880
I like that moment. And then
she's and I love that she's just calling.

614
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:08.880
She's like, well, maybe she
can go change her name back to

615
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:14.280
Rachel or another name. I love
that so much. And I was just

616
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:17.679
so hard I believed her. But
I do feel like Lisa Vanderpump was being

617
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.920
a bit of an apologist though,
oh totally. Well, here's a little

618
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.840
inside scoop. Okay, I did
a little slew thing as of like a

619
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:30.639
couple days ago. Lisa does not
follow Arianna. They don't follow each other

620
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.000
on Instagram anymore. Arianna unfollowed Lisa, Lisa and followed Ariana, but Lisa

621
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:39.320
does follow Sandibal found that interesting that
you can read into it what you want.

622
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.400
It may have changed by the time
you're hearing this. Well, hearing

623
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:50.039
so fucking childish. I know Lisa's
doing it too. It seems really childish

624
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.559
to like unfollow people to make your
allegiances known. And obviously Lisa's allegiance is

625
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:59.639
to her bars and her restaurants and
her businesses. Well, but doesn't she

626
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.239
have some steak in? There's something
about her in the sandwich shop, probably

627
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:08.000
not as much that it's such a
small little sandwich shop. I bet you

628
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:12.719
those girls actually got are true a
business loan? Yeah? No, I

629
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:17.280
think they did, and Tom,
Tom, they only have a very small

630
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:23.840
percentage right in that business. Originally, Randall Emmett had given some money to

631
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:27.920
some to back some of those things. But I think the girls gave it

632
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.519
back. Oh they're like no,
thanks, something happened or some deal went

633
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:34.599
through. But he gave He put
a lot of money down for a lot

634
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.239
of this shit. And I believe, if I remember correctly, that Katie

635
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:43.599
and Ariana were like nope, because
they have souls right now. Did Rachael

636
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:45.840
Emmett get back together with his wife, I do not believe. So.

637
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:51.639
I think he has a different girlfriend
who's even younger. Oh good, younger

638
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:55.880
and younger and younger. Okay,
So Schwartz brings the dogs over to Katie's.

639
00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:00.000
This was I thought maybe could be
a really sweet scene. I thought

640
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.000
this could be a moment where Schwartz
was like, Haitie, I know we've

641
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:06.239
been through hell and back and it's
not all my fault, but in this

642
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:09.519
case, I am so fucking sorry. Never like you said, never,

643
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.239
just nothing. And then he was
calling her Arianna, which I was very

644
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:21.239
confused by them at yeah, She's
like, how long I need to talk

645
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:22.480
to you? Yeah? How long
have you known? And he goes,

646
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:28.320
oh, couple couple weeks, a
couple of weeks, and she's like,

647
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:32.840
m now. Last September, Roquell
is wearing the Tom Tom sweatshirt, nothing

648
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:36.880
underneath it. I say to you, you know what I said? And

649
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.000
then you're like, oh, she's
not into me. And then he's like,

650
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:44.800
huh, why don't you fucking fess
up and be honest for once?

651
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:49.480
And he goes okay, like I
knew about the one night or last September

652
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.679
or whatever, but like, um, the way I justify it in my

653
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.920
head is like he tried to break
up with her. No, the Tom

654
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:00.199
talks like this, it's very like, you know, come on, come

655
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:04.679
on, Katie, come on,
bub come on, Bub's I just knew

656
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.960
the one time that they fucked.
It's like, well, okay, but

657
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:13.599
that's still pretty bad. And then
he immediately goes into the how this is

658
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:15.880
going to be for him. He's
like, uh, you know, like

659
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.639
what about me, Like my bar
might not do well? Yeah, and

660
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:22.639
then help Katie goes, well,
you're gonna lose a lot of friends,

661
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.840
and he's like, oh, I
don't think so. I'm just a dude

662
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:29.519
trying to get by in life.
Yeah, I'm just I'm just a dude

663
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.239
trying to like help his family and
just like be a good gun. She's

664
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:36.199
like, you're a bitch boy.
And then he's still trying to be cute.

665
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:37.800
He's still trying to make jokes.
Come on, Bubba, come on,

666
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.960
Bubba, it's me and you,
Bubba. Shut up. He's horrible.

667
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.519
He is horrible and horrible in a
way. It is a little bit

668
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.079
worse because with Schwartz, you don't
see it like I told you about the

669
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:51.400
time like a couple of years ago
where I ran into him and I just

670
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:54.280
I fell under. I fell under
Schwartz's charm. I did. He said

671
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:59.119
hi to me. We were at
like Starbucks outside Sunset five and I was

672
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:00.800
like, oh, hi, you
know, and then he was like hi,

673
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:04.840
and he it's flirty and he's there's
something very charming about him. The

674
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.599
dumb guy persona or just like not
dumb, like puppy dog whatever persona,

675
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.519
and you fall for it, and
everybody fell for it, and that must

676
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.840
have been so frustrating for Katie.
Yeah, okay, So now we have

677
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:20.960
Kristen. Finally she shows up for
Ariana. There are they are good friends.

678
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:22.960
They are friends, and I mean
it took her ten years. I

679
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:27.719
mean she finally got people to see
you like, see, I wasn't lying

680
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:32.280
about sand Aval. Oh yeah,
if anybody's the hero, because I don't

681
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:37.360
really know the backstory, Kristen's just
like, yeah, I let this shit

682
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.480
go, dude, But like I
told you, I told you, I

683
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.360
said, And then they had the
flashback of her going good luck, wondering

684
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:49.239
where he is every night, laying
in bed with the best liar. Yep,

685
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.239
God, that was that was I
can't believe they even have that for

686
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.400
so long. And then when when
Arianna does kind of try to apologize,

687
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.519
she's like, he tried to tell
me, I'm sorry. Whatever. Then

688
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.679
she's like pitch push on me.
I love that. We need a little

689
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.400
Chris. Although Kristen wasn't great either. She slept with Jack's when he was

690
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.199
dating STOSSI, so they're all pretty
terrible. Then they burned some shit,

691
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:14.800
which I liked. I liked that
little little ceremony which prayer I again good.

692
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:21.000
Lisa Vanderpump meets up with tom Um
Yes, okay, so then again

693
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:30.079
at first yeah, yeah, did
you think that was real? There's a

694
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:35.119
lot of god, no, the
hyperventilating. No, dude, do you

695
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.480
see how hard this is for me? Yeah? This is so hard on

696
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:45.800
me. Dude, dude, dude. And Lisa is not the person for

697
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.320
this, because she's not going to
be like a sweet tall but she kind

698
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.719
of is. She's like, you're
not a bad person. You did a

699
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.800
bad thing. No, he's a
bad person, right, He's definitely a

700
00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.280
bad person, terrible person. It
has been forever, this whole time high

701
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.960
and people just put up with it. Right. So then we go to

702
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:07.000
I don't know why Charlie's back.
I guess in her contract she has to

703
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.760
have at least four scenes so annoying
that she's even there because she's so mean

704
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.280
and terrible. But then now she
and Katie like in La La, I

705
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.239
guess whatever, they all come together, right, Gina, who's Coco?

706
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:22.320
Coco's her sister? I think,
Okay, I don't know. And they're

707
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.079
all kind of just looking. I
didn't bother to learn about certain people as

708
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:29.199
well. You shouldn't have. That's
too many people. Yeah, And then

709
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.599
she she talks about the talks about
the restraining order her. I still kind

710
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:35.760
of say good for her if she
shoved her. I wouldn't have even cared

711
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:37.760
if she hit her. I'm not
a big fan of hitting, but but

712
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:43.320
she is, Like, I've been
a mom and a sister to that girl,

713
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:50.159
and she thinks me by filing legal
paperwork. Why why is everybody trying

714
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:53.960
to prove like how how great they
were, how how close they were to

715
00:46:54.039 --> 00:47:00.280
Roquell? Like, this girl has
no personality, she's nothing. She's just

716
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.559
like a pile of slime, and
everyone's like, oh my god. Everybody

717
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:08.840
puts projects these qualities onto her.
Every single one of these girls has stuck

718
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:13.199
up for Roquell and talked about what
a great girl she is in what way?

719
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.119
She's not smart, she's not funny, she's not loyal, she doesn't

720
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:20.519
give a fuck about anybody. She's
vapid, she's empty, she's like sad

721
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:24.000
that her pageant career went down,
Like what is the thing that they're all

722
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.199
like, Oh my god, she's
just such an amazing person. I wonder

723
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.880
if it's like keep your enemies closer. I wonder if there was a sense

724
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.840
with the women of like, well, she's going to take our guys,

725
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:37.400
so we better if we're really really
nice to her and we make her a

726
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.840
friend. But they had no reason
to believe that unless there was some subconscious

727
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.440
reason that they felt sometimes you know
what I mean, Like I wonder if

728
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.519
they're like, well, she's the
one to watch, so let's now she's

729
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.880
single, so we better like keep
her eye on her. But that's not

730
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.920
the vibe that they were giving off. I don't know. I really couldn't

731
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:00.360
tell you. All I know is
that Schwartz. So I loved when second

732
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.679
when kat like shorts, Ariana's like
nope, fuck shorts. She's like mad

733
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:06.639
at him too because he, you
know, didn't tell her right. And

734
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:07.880
I love that Katie had one little
card. She's like, well, he's

735
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:12.800
gonna come by. He wants to
come by, and I wish. I

736
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.320
know Katie didn't do it for this
reason, but I wish it had been

737
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:17.480
a little bit of a fuck you. He's my friend. He's coming by

738
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:21.480
like a little bit do you know
what I mean, A little bit of

739
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:22.320
like, well, you're gonna have
to deal with her, just the way

740
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:27.760
I had to deal with everybody else. Yeah, I do think she kind

741
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.880
of I feel like her a little
side smile. Did She's noticed that.

742
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:35.800
She did a little like smile from
one side of her mouth, like yeah.

743
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:37.599
And then and then he comes in
like a Lenny and Squiggy moment.

744
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:45.039
He just walks in. He's like, hey, guys, he never his

745
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:51.519
appearances never work out for him.
He's always showing up places that he's not

746
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:55.760
wanted and then being surprised that he's
not wanted. Right totally, and you're

747
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.639
righted. It seemed so obvious.
It was whole held by production while he's

748
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:01.599
coming by, and maybe Katie's smile
because he could just see him standing in

749
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:07.239
the shadows waiting to be like,
Okay, enter enter the scene action right,

750
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:08.960
right, Yeah, he enters and
it's so fake and he's just trying.

751
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:10.639
It's like, oh, yeah,
you know what I mean? And

752
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:13.440
She's like, I'm sorry, I'm
not going to be friends with you.

753
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:15.320
I can't be friends. I mean, we're done. We're all done here.

754
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.159
Then then Schwartz is like, you
know, you know, you know

755
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.960
what I'm sad about. It is
like my business, you know. And

756
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:30.039
then Arianna goes yeah yeah, and
he publicly apologized to his business and partners

757
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:35.039
before me. Yeah, and then
sad move. Schwartz brings it back to

758
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.480
himself though. He's like, oh
yeah, but I've been depicted as a

759
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:43.840
co conspiratortion bro like yeah. And
then Arianna, thank god, is like,

760
00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:45.840
well, I'm not gonna be friends
with any of his friends anymore.

761
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.360
So if you're his friend, right
friends, right? Good for her?

762
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.519
Tried to help him. I tried
to help him go five days without drinking

763
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:59.199
so we could have a baby that
he wanted. Not here. Yeah for

764
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:04.440
him, yeah, oh my god, is very telling and he deserved that

765
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.760
because all he does is talk about
how she wouldn't fuck him. Right,

766
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.679
Well, maybe you couldn't maybe because
you couldn't stop drinking for five minutes.

767
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:15.320
Mm hmm. Okay, yeah,
okay. So the biggest scene was Shena

768
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.760
and Brock, well not Brock,
but Brock's there, he's mad, you

769
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.159
know, if Sandoval comes over and
he's like, all right, you really

770
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:24.039
made it hard for us, which
again is making it about them. You

771
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.400
made it hard for us to we
really do like you, and when the

772
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.360
cameras turn off, but we can't
pretend we like. That's what Brock is

773
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:32.519
kind of I don't know what Brock
is saying. He does look cute with

774
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:36.559
his haircut. He got his man
bun cut, and he's kind of hot.

775
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:38.599
I'm gonna say it. He looks
better. He does look a lot

776
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:43.199
better. Okay, So then so
Sandoval at this point his face now he's

777
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.960
exhausted, he's on a like apology
tour, and he just made me want

778
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:50.679
he's such a bad actor and he
made me want to vomit at this point.

779
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:52.800
But I believe Shena. I believed
her in the scene that she was

780
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:58.880
genuinely upset about like gonna miss his
friendship, I guess. And I like

781
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:01.719
that she takes him a task.
She feels like the only one that she's

782
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.719
like kind of saying, but you
were lying, you were always lying,

783
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.199
and there were always others. We
know there were others. Who were they?

784
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:12.239
And then this is when it kind
of starts to come out well,

785
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.400
okay, the chick, Yeah,
that one all that comes out. This

786
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:19.119
is also when it comes out where
he's full on saying she threatened to kill

787
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:25.400
herself bro yep and turned forty.
I had a spiritual awakening, you know,

788
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:28.920
and I was going to totally break
up with her. Yeah, And

789
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:30.880
she goes, right, yeah,
so instead you did your best friend and

790
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.199
this wasn't the first time. I
love how he tries to make it sound

791
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.239
like I had a spiritual awakening,
like I'm the good guy here, right,

792
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:44.719
I'm the one who's close to God
people. Then she's trying to get

793
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:45.960
him to admit, like who the
other person was? It is like is

794
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.559
this someone we know whatever? And
he's like, well, I'm not gonna

795
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.679
do yeah, I mean I think
we kind of know who it is.

796
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:57.239
But that gets a little bit muddied, and watch what happens really kick But

797
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:59.559
that said, so she's crying and
she's like, I'm gonna miss you.

798
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.320
I'm just gonna miss you. Why
did you do this to me? Vauchina?

799
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.360
But she really was genuinely upset,
which kind of made me like her

800
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.000
for a second because she actually has
feelings. I know. Okay, so

801
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:14.800
this is not that much happened on
watch what happens. Arianna comes out,

802
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.119
she looks hot. But remember when
they so this is now, this happened

803
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.920
the news came out March third or
March first. March third is when they

804
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:24.719
filmed, So March first when she
knew. So we're only looking at like

805
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:30.760
two and a half months later.
Ariana's got she's got makeup deals, she

806
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:35.320
got a huge shopping spree, she's
got a movie, and she got like

807
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.840
dancing with the stars and a new
boyfriend. Okay, how did you do

808
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:43.519
that in two months? I understand
all the deals because people she's she's the

809
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:46.079
moment, as they kept saying,
she's you know, for all of us,

810
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:49.480
for all the women. But she
already has like a new, full

811
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.159
on boyfriend. Who's her new boyfriend? Okay, so it's this guy.

812
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.559
I got it wrong last time because
I thought it was a Yankee because she

813
00:52:54.599 --> 00:53:00.079
was wearing a Yankee jersey. It's
a it's a he's some kind of like,

814
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.599
um, I don't know what do
you call it? Oh my god,

815
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:08.400
DJ, Yeah, just keep guessing
things. Finance brother, finance bro.

816
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:15.199
No, like a workout guys,
that was where I was going next.

817
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.679
Yes, he's a trainer and they
but they were already together, I

818
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:24.679
believe by the time of Kacha,
so that was only a month or so

819
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:29.000
later. So I mean, I'm
I'm all about the bounce back. I

820
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.159
think it's great to rebound or you
know, even if you fall in love

821
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:35.559
really fast, it happens, and
why waste time. But at the same

822
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:38.840
time, if she wasn't that she
never really seemed that upset. Well,

823
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:45.000
I'll tell you what was probably happening
from my perspective, like I'm some kind

824
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:49.199
of an expert on this, but
probably she. I mean, the relationship

825
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.280
wasn't that intimate, but she just
didn't know that he was cheating. Like

826
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:58.119
I think she was like, well, I guess this is just what it

827
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.119
is, and we've been together a
really long time time and it's not sexy

828
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:05.119
or fun. I mean, she
couldn't be thrilled that she wasn't having sex

829
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.280
with him either, but she just
wasn't right feeling it because he wasn't being

830
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:14.760
creating like an intimacy with her.
So I have a feeling that she kind

831
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:19.280
of, you know, subconsciously felt
all that felt like if this is not

832
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.840
fulfilling for me either. So as
soon as there was a reason, as

833
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:24.400
soon as she was like, oh, because he's cheating on me, Yeah,

834
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:28.519
this isn't normal how I'm feeling,
she was like, okay, bye,

835
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:31.960
I think that gives the guy,
yeah, of credence, don't get

836
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:36.280
mad, a little tiny bit of
credence to Sandoval's narrative, not that she

837
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:38.159
was going to break out killers to
all that stuff, but the narrative that

838
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:43.119
it really wasn't It was really kind
of for vander Pump name only. They

839
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.079
were kind of a brand. There
probably is some truth to it. It

840
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:47.760
doesn't make it okay. What he
did, well, what he does is

841
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.480
he's a serial cheater. So what
he should have done is break up with

842
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:53.639
her, which is what everybody's saying. And then when he says, like,

843
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:57.920
let's let's just go back to this
part really quick where he said,

844
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.159
oh, well I couldn't break up
with her. She threatened to kill herself,

845
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:06.079
and Shena had exactly right. She
was like, Okay, then you

846
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:09.360
gather her friends, you make sure
she has support, and you say this

847
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:13.639
isn't working, and you walk out
and you let her friends pick up the

848
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.320
pieces. That's right, you don't
fuck her best friend. Like that's why

849
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:22.000
he's the anti hero. I mean, he's the he's the worst. He's

850
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.480
the villain and she's the hero.
And it didn't have to be that way.

851
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:29.599
I don't think anybody would have actually
blamed him if he was like,

852
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:31.920
listen, we've been more like you
know, roommates for a long time and

853
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:37.159
it's not working for me. Right, Absolutely is what he should have done.

854
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:42.880
It's one and he will not admit. He will say like, oh,

855
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:45.880
I know I could have fucked up. But here's what she was doing.

856
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:47.920
Here's her part. She should she
should have followed me. She should

857
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:51.920
have figured it out, like this
is why he's not getting out of this.

858
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:54.800
Uns like he can't get out of
this. Here's another weird thing that

859
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:58.840
I thought that she said during watch
what Happens. He's like, when she

860
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:00.639
should have followed me things, She's
like, well I did, I mean

861
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:04.719
I did always ask to see his
phone. That's not great, that's interesting

862
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.679
and weird o. The relationship was
over. They didn't have a good relationship.

863
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:12.079
I don't think anybody's arguing like,
oh my god, but why would

864
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:15.679
you guys are gonna get married?
They were never asked to see someone's phone.

865
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:19.199
I've never I've been in a lot
of relationships, some long, some

866
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.280
short, some more intense than others, and I don't think I've ever said,

867
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.639
like, show me your phone.
Who were you talking to? Well,

868
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:28.760
if you're suspicious of somebody and you
got it, you got together with

869
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:30.480
them because they were a cheater and
you don't and you have trust issues in

870
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:35.280
your relationship, I could see it
right right right. I just think it's

871
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:38.320
just like telling like you said that
it was already so bad. He's a

872
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:43.440
sneaky bitch. Yeah, and he
covered it really well, she said he

873
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.480
was. She never saw anything right, he covered it. He's super sneaky.

874
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:52.639
All he had to do was break
up with her, and Andy asked

875
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:53.599
her, and watch what happens.
He's like, so, did he ever

876
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:58.360
try to break up with you?
And she's like nope, Like, which

877
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:00.480
goes against the conversation what he saying, which is like I tried so many

878
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:05.159
times, bro, Like, no, you didn't. And I believe her

879
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:07.239
on that. Nope, he never, like you're saying, never had that

880
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.679
conversation. Well, when she was
talking to him, she kind of acknowledged

881
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:15.519
that he said, like it wasn't
working or that, you know, and

882
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:19.840
then she was like yeah, and
that's when you like, that's what happens

883
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:22.760
in long term relationships and then you
get counseling. It sounds to me like

884
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.320
he kept saying, hey, I'm
not like fulfilled or whatever, and she

885
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.440
was like, Okay, then let's
work on it. And I think he

886
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:31.719
did work on it and didn't want
to say it. Yeah he was.

887
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:36.920
Yeah, And they still live in
the same as of watch What Happens Life,

888
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:38.360
they're still living in the same house. Well, they're both shitch,

889
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:42.880
they're both have been on a successful
TV show for a long time. Why

890
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.079
don't they get separate apartments with an
apartment? One of them get an apartment.

891
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:49.480
You could switch off. Let's say, and pay have an apartment and

892
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.199
each pay the rent. You split
the rent of that apartment, and then

893
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:55.559
just switch your months until you sell
the house. That's what you do.

894
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:58.960
I have no idea. She was
even saying she like gets his mail and

895
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.280
just like has her aistant give it
to his assistant in the same house.

896
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:06.440
House isn't that big live in Studio
city or something like. It's fine,

897
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:08.320
it's a nice house, but it's
not like some mansion where you have like

898
00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:12.920
a wing. It's ridiculous. Oh, I know, it's not that big.

899
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.079
I go there, like, I'm
there like three times a week.

900
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.880
And at Sannahbell's I don't sleep over
because there's not room. They don't even

901
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:23.199
have a guest room for me.
That's so weird for me. They have

902
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:28.440
a guest room for other people.
It's very insulting. Actually, did you

903
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.079
did you dip out? Sometimes you
just dip out. Sometimes I get yeah,

904
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:35.599
I get annoyed. I'm like,
okay, well maybe you don't even

905
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:38.880
want me here, like hanging out
in your backyard. I'm getting a feeling.

906
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:42.679
I mean, okay, last thing
to say, okay, this,

907
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.639
because this is the biggest news is
this was what's all over everyone's trying to

908
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:47.079
figure out who. First of all, it's not just one other person you

909
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:52.199
cheated with. So hem she confirmed
ariana confirmed Miami girl. She's like,

910
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:53.480
yeah, I knew about that,
but I was trying to cover for him.

911
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:55.880
So, as we said at the
beginning, then there's this other one.

912
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:59.639
But a lot of people are saying
it's Billy. And so when Andy

913
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:05.559
was asking specifically, okay, was
it okay? All right? Like it

914
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.440
was kind of tricky, but it
was like, all right, so he

915
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:12.159
cheated with other people? Was the
other person a woman like said that right,

916
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:15.760
so flat out because and she's like, yeah, yes, but I

917
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:22.960
mean that's tricky because Billy is female. Billy's a woman hands So that's what

918
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.079
everybody's saying online is like, no, no, no, this was Billy,

919
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:30.360
and Ariana did not want hate to
come for Billy because she's friends with

920
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:34.159
her. They're both both Handabal and
Arianna are friends with Billy, and she

921
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.920
just I think Ariana maybe knew that
they hooked up, possibly and just wants

922
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:44.320
to protect Billy from the hate,
which is what everybody's sort of saying online.

923
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:47.000
We don't know that for sure,
but I think that's just like another

924
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:52.159
another notch of Ariana being a good
person, saying, look, I've been

925
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:54.840
hurt by all of this. I've
been completely hurt by this, but I'm

926
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:59.880
not going to like let hate come
for Billy. So do you think Ariana

927
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:04.559
thinks that it's true, definitely true
that he hooked up with Billy. I

928
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:07.840
don't know. I mean that would
be my guess, that's what or that

929
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:12.039
is a theory or a guest that's
going around online that she knew about it

930
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:15.360
or knew it was possible and doesn't
want to give anything over to it because

931
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:20.760
she doesn't want Billy to get in
trouble. Interesting, and that's just again,

932
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.119
that is a theory that I maybe
do know he hooked up with Oh,

933
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.559
and there's other people coming forward on
whispering by the way. They're like,

934
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:28.679
I hugged up with him, my
sister. I mean, people are

935
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:31.639
like coming out of the woodwork.
Okay, I'm gonna make I'm going to

936
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:37.599
diagnose something. I might get upset
at this because like who knows, who

937
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:40.880
knows what this is really? But
I think that he's got some kind of

938
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:45.440
like I think he's a sex addict. Oh, I'm not gonna get and

939
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:49.639
I won't be surprised if he says
that he has sexual addiction. He talks

940
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:53.440
about sex way too much and makes
that the basis for like why he has

941
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:59.519
to cheat is that he brings up
the sexual aspect all the time. He's

942
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:02.199
a serial cheater. It sounds like
he hooks up a lot. It sounds

943
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:07.840
like he hooks up way more than
we think. So I think that's what's

944
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:12.559
going on with him. That is
an interesting function with how he pasta,

945
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:17.320
he can't help himself, and he's
got like an addiction possibly. I mean,

946
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:20.800
I guess that's a real thing.
I always hate. I always feel

947
01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:23.480
like it's a pass in some way. With I'm not giving him a pass.

948
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:27.880
I also think he's a horrible person. I'm not like he can't help

949
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.880
himself, he's got a sexual addiction. I'm just saying he that's part of

950
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:36.599
I think he strikes me as an
addict in the way that he just lies

951
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.519
so much and then tells moralize to
cover up for the lies. And you

952
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:45.920
know, it's just I don't think
anybody should be with this guy. Oh.

953
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.880
I don't think he can be I
don't think he can be loyal.

954
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:53.400
Oh, I agree, Yes,
I agree, so many problems. Well

955
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:55.800
he's here, Now, do you
want to talk to him? I do?

956
01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:00.280
I? Oh, go back.
God, that was embarrassed and he

957
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:01.599
thought for sure you'd say yes,
and then he came out. So I

958
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:06.800
feel like this is like a Schwartz
moment, like I'm being blindsided, Like

959
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:08.960
you never even said he's gonna be
on the podcast, like you all you

960
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:14.760
had to do Cecily was say hey, if you don't mind right towards the

961
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:19.320
end, can Sandy like pop on
see he's grinding his teeth. Oh god,

962
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:21.679
he's grinding his teeth so hard.
One of his toothbroke. I have

963
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:22.639
to teach you with the dentist.
All right, well that's a good place

964
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:25.960
to end it. I get hold
on Tom, I will take you to

965
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:30.079
the stop doing so much out of
all then don't prush it up and start

966
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:31.960
it. You're gonna grind your teeth, all right. We will see you

967
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:37.320
guys on Tuesday for Love is Blind. Guess what good news. We're starting

968
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:44.000
for the last episodes to mash two
together, so this Tuesday you can look

969
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:47.320
forward to episodes eight and nine.
I love that you're just like good news.

970
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.440
Guys. We finally got wise to
the fact that we're going too slowly

971
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:53.559
with Love is Blind. We're gonna
pick it up. We're picking it up.

972
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:57.119
You guys. Thank you for letting
us get all this out about vander

973
01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.760
Pump. There's more to come with
the reunions, but this has been Oh

974
01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:01.880
yeah, it's been quite a something. We were very serious about it.

975
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:07.440
Sorry about that, but I and
next week our friend Meredith Lynch is going

976
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:13.239
to join us for the reunion episode
for she's going to come for one of

977
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:15.880
the reunions and it's going to be
a blast. Yes, thank you guys,

978
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:22.519
We love you. Bye bye