Hey, everybody, welcome to Rose Pricks. It's a it's an exciting morning
here with me and Sets. I mean, it's Vanderpump Thursday, first of
all, and I think we're pretty rev to go. I know you've probably
listened to already eight thousand podcasts about this already this morning, but this is
really kind of the one besides La Laws, besides anyone's like specifically affiliated with
the show. I'm gonna go ahead and say those are better. But besides
all those, like this is where it's at, guys, But are those
even better? Yeah? Yeah, I mean they're great. La Las is
great. She just doesn't give a shit and I love it, okay,
But I mean it brings us because you know, everybody on Whispering and all
these things, like one person will listen to Lala's, one person listens to
Jack's, and so we all kind of combine our knowledge and piece everything together,
you know, And that's what we're here to do. That's what we're
doing because there's a lot here. I just always wonder with people, you
know, So you and I I don't know if you know this, but
you and I break also break down the Bachelor that was our real we do.
I know it's been it's been a bit, it's been a minute,
but we do. And one of the things that I find about the Official
Bachelor podcasts is that nobody seems to be able to be fucking honest about anything,
like they all have to keep it all like you know, oh,
we love everybody, do you. That is such a good point, and
Bravo welcomes it. They welcome it, and I will remind you because I'm
gonna because I'm so proud of it, and I'm going to just talk about
it every week. When I went to Schwartz and Sandy's and I got my
intel about a month or so right after this broke in March, right,
I was so proud of myself that I got this person to just like spill
it. And this person specifically was like, I signed an NDA, but
fuck it. And then they told me everything right. And then I realized
later talking about it with a friend that I was like, they wouldn't,
they wouldn't sign an NDA and then just tell a complete stranger who's sitting in
their booth or whatever at a restaurant, like they're fucking with you. Everyone's
fucking with everybody. Everyone thinks they have info everybody you know, it's all
just like some bs, but there's no way. My guess is that Lisa
was like anybody that asks you tell, you make them feel like they're part
of this story, and you let them go off and tell whatever story they
want to tell. That's kind of what I That's what I thought when I
later talked about it. Thought about it because I don't think that that person
would sign an NDA and that just told me everything. But oh, maybe
they knew that the word was out anyway, I guess, well, this
person was going to be filming. That is something I didn't tell you,
guys. I don't know why I didn't tell you, but this person is
going to be on the show, but we didn't know them yet. So
they have they have filmed for like they're starting to film for the next season,
I guess. And this person was on, yeah, being filmed.
So part of that makes me think, like, Okay, they just want
to be in the story and they know they're doing their job by telling me.
Who's then going to go do my job by telling you? But they
didn't know you have a podcast. No, I didn't say that. I
was just like, I kind of couldn't take it anymore because they were just,
you know, we just everybody's just shooting the ship. And then I
was like, okay, so tell me what's up. Where's Rockell where?
And that's when I got all this coop like Rockell's never been there was no
rehab. She and Tom had gone off to some like sex fest together we
you know, some resort, right, which looks like it did happen.
And then you know, I guess the other stuff is just that's not an
NDA thing. You can say I think she is the meanest person in the
world, you can say all those things. That's not an NDA related thing,
right. So do we believe the latest news since the last time we
recorded, which is that Roquell and Sandoval have broken up? Do we believe
that? I mean? I So the news came out yesterday, the day
of the finale, and the theory is that they they think that it was
just you know, just to kind of soften the blow, to make them
look a little bit better once the reunions start airing and everything, to make
to make people have a little more sympathy for them. But according to Ariana
and a lot of people online, it's bullshit. It's total nothing. You
nothing Sandoval says is ever really you take it with so like an entire beach.
There's no grain of salt. He's a liar, She's a liar.
Like so, there's no way to you know. Their publicists got together and
tried to soften this a little bit. And I don't know. I mean,
I don't even think they were really fully together. None of this makes
sense. I mean, I think they were having sex, for sure,
and I think that it was terrible. But I and I think the sex
was probably terrible too. I think once they have their first sober sex,
they're going to be like, oh god, well this was her first time
having sex ever with somebody who she cared about, so right, even though
she was engaged to James, Right, but okay, whatever. I'm sure
he loved that. Oh He's just he was a mess. He was a
fun mess. I know, people get mad when I say that. I'm
not saying James. I never said he was a hero. I never said
that. I think he's done some despicable things and said terrible things, but
he has been like the comic relief that we needed this season. I guess.
So, I mean he's kind of the voice of reason. This last
time, I do want to tell you one before we get into this.
I had an interesting conversation on Twitter. I wasn't writing anything. I was
minding my own business and scrolling, you know, and a lot of people
were right. They were talking obviously about Tom and Rachel. We're going to
call her Rachel because if Ariana can, we can. So they're talking about
her, and somebody said, you know, I'm pretty sure she's on this.
I think that she's on the spectrum talking about Roquel Rachel. Okay,
They're like, she's on the spectrum. She doesn't seem to, you know,
And they listed all these reasons, and I got kind of agitated,
and I wrote, she is not on the spectrum that is offensive to people
who are unless you mean the spectrum of psychopathy. She has no empathy or
remorse, which has no relation to the spectrum. She mimics because someone said,
well, she just mimics people, like if someone talks one way,
she talks that way. So I wrote, she mimics people because she's a
stupid demon to quote Lalla. So I got a lot of likes, people
like, we're happy that someone said something not everything is a pathology, right
or not everything's a disorder, Like she's just an asshole. So then this
person wrote, and I wasn't arguing with this person, but they wrote,
I mean, my son is autistic, and I don't find this offensive.
She very obviously cannot pick up on social cues, among many other things.
There are good and bad, all types of people. She definitely made bad
decisions, but it doesn't mean she isn't neurodivergent, which I wasn't saying.
I wasn't giving like I wasn't assigning a morality to it. I'm just saying
the things that she does are not necessarily signs and being on an autistic spectrum.
Right, But well, when you say she's a stupid demon, that's
definitely signing a morality to it. If I oh the demon part, I
guess yes, No, I'm saying, no, she's a terrible person.
But it doesn't mean like I guess, what they were saying is being on
the spectrum doesn't mean you're good or bad. That's what they were saying.
I'm saying she's not on the spectrum, but she is a bad person.
Those two things are unrelated. Like I wouldn't, do you understand, I
mean, I just I I I can't diagnose anybody, and I don't know
enough about it, but I would say that it is offensive. I would
imagine that's regardless of what that woman says who has a kid on the spectrum,
I would imagine it's kind of insulting to a sign like what else does
she do? She doesn't have a problem with eye contact, She's just vapid
and doesn't and has no empathy, and that is not a sign of some
on the spectrum. That's exactly what I was trying to say. I agree,
I'm agreeing with you. Yeah, but I do I will say,
I'm I'm saying something about her morality, like I think she has none.
I don't think she has a moral compass at all. Right, That's That's
what I thought was so strange, is like why because I feel like,
you know, we've talked about all the everyone's add everyone's in ours to everyone's
like, no, can someone just be a dick? Well? The problem
is anything, it is, it's very it's self centered, like to a
huge degree, because even after getting caught, there's no like, oh my
god, I'm the thing about me is you know, which is something she's
saying now I've read, is that she's saying that she has always she has
a problem with you know, like love addiction, and that she seeks validation
you know, through men, which which I understand could lead her to just
not care about the feelings of others. She has to get what she needs.
And if this guy is feeding her validation and telling her she's special,
I think it's a problem with that. She has no sense, no self,
like, no self at all. The problem that I have with the
whole thing is how many of those cast members made her into something She's not
gave her these qualities of like a great friend, loyal like, she's none
of those things. And she's proven like everything we've seen of her on camera
has been a pretty terrible person. Like there's not been any Every scene from
the from the time that I started watching, has just been her not caring
about other people's feelings, bulling her way into, you know, bulldozering her
way into people's conversations, and just not having any understanding of how she affects
other people. But then people just put up with it. But I also
that's why I got a little annoyed on Twitter because it was like, we
don't need to a sign, there's no like, yeah, she's just an
asshole, Like she's not you know what I mean, and like you said,
doesn't have the other qualities that would even from what I understand, I
don't she's not in any way acting like she's on the spectrum. I mean,
I don't get what they were where they're even getting that, because that's
not a quality, like you said, of that of not having empathy.
That's not what that is. That's not what that looks like. Yeah,
so that's just that I did think. I mean, I'm I had no
issue with someone saying, look, I have an autistic son until this is
my experience. But I think they were misunderstanding what I was saying. I
think I wasn't saying It would make more sense if they were like, listen,
I have a son who is a serial killer and he doesn't have any
empathy. And it just like really bums me out when people don't have any
allowance for people that don't were born without empathy, like a sociopath, Like
I have a child who's a sociopath, and I don't I think we shouldn't
be so quick to judge sociopaths, then we could be like, whoa,
I think we can judge sociopaths because they kill people, right, correct?
I mean I think we can judge Roquell because she fucks people's common law husbands.
She is absolutely, I believe truly a psychopath, which which was said
to me by this person of Schwartz and Sandy's too, that flowed right out
of their mouth. It was like, nope, just a complete sociopath,
psychopath of rocket. I was like, come on, some of it's for
show, right, and they're like, nope, nope, psychopath. So
I mean, here we are, okay, so can we just talk about
the gulping the sand of all? So they so, all right, let's
just get to Ariana's on the couch. They they lived together still, so
the news has already come out. It's come out two days prior to when
they say they turned cameras back on, which seems a little fishy with the
timeline, but okay, that's what they're saying. So then so they're sitting
on the couch. Our article is really long article and I can't remember where
it was something maybe not the La Times, but something like that, where
they talked about the fact that right after they found out, Arianna went straight
to the producers. It was as soon as she found out, like that
day, that night or whatever, and the producers hooked up the cameras and
they were already done shooting for the season. I'm yeah, and then they
came over right away, and so, yes, some of it is kind
of recreated, but apparently they hadn't really talked. And this is just what
you know, people who love being on camera are about. They understood the
assignment, which is basically like, you guys are going to have any conversations
that you have on camera, wait till we get here. Yeah, so
I believe that this was kind of real. Oh, I believe it too.
They just didn't what I think. Arianna just refused to deal with him
until the cameras were there. Well, and she What I was so grossed
out about though, was he First of all, he's in flip flops,
just flip flopping around his house acting. She's sitting on the couch so upset,
and he like goes and gets a red whatever you got, like a
soda. He's making so much noise, he keeps sighing, so like,
Okay, you're you're her, You're sitting on the couch right, I'm Tom.
And he's just like flip flopping around. And then he's like, it's
like sometimes when our dogs get you know, it's like we know you need
to go out. It's like then he comes over with the soda, and
may I don't know about yours, but my misoponia was in full swing because
he pops open the soda and then takes the biggest gulp out of it,
and then they it's like, did editing just add a swallow? Did they
add like an whole swallow there? Because it made me? Then you see
her face, she's like she's pissed. She's obviously, but I would have
been pissed more for the gulping. And then he's like every time my druid
apologized you you get more mad. Yeah, buddy, he's already calling her
dude, right, And doesn't she say something like, but you haven't even
actually tried to apologize to me. Yeah, She's like, you haven't.
He didn't really, right, didn't. We didn't see it. He's like,
you never actually apologize for what happened. He's like, I never wanted
to hurt you. Dude, I never wanted to hurt you. But I
love when he says something like do you want anything and she goes for you
to die? Yes? Yes? Oh goes that mean? Oh god nothing?
Is he philosophical? Is he going yes? Oh well you know we
all die someday? Like what the shut up? Tom? Yeah, it's
like not the time for that. You fuck with it? Just I hate
whatever. Okay. So so then he basically starts to as he does,
as he's done with Kristen, as he does with everybody. He's sort of
deflecting. Well he's totally deflecting, and he's kind of we see this as
it goes on, but he's basically like blaming her. He's blaming Arianna for
sort of finding out or for not wanting to leave. I mean, the
conversation later with Shorts really got to me, or actually with China. But
like he's just saying, you know, and then she's calling it. She's
calling it about you know, like you just said about Roquelle. Like she's
like she has no identity. She's basically this is what a good of a
person I think Arianna is is that she's even in all this sort of kind
of defending Roquel even though she doesn't care for her. She obviously doesn't like
her, but she's kind of saying, like, you picked on somebody who
has no idea who she is. And then Sandoval comes back with, well,
she treats me with respect. Can you imagine can you imagine feeling this
kind of hurt after finding out the nine years after, like John cheats on
you with your best friend and then he sits in front of your face with
no remorse at all and just basically says, well, she treats me better.
Yeah, it was. It was terrible, and especially when Ariana you
could tell that it got to him a little bit when she's like, I
loved you when you were driving in nineteen ninety seven Honda Civic. You have
no money, no bar, no band. Now you got a little money,
You got a little of this. And then Roquel comes along and gasses
you up. And that's what you want, that's what you exactly, somebody
to gass you up. Totally true. And then when he said to her,
this is where I was like dagger in the heart. He uh,
it's it's not I mean, it's not about looks. Whoever said it was
about looks. First of all, I mean not we're not like comparing,
but personally my personal preferences that Arianna is a lot hotter. Oh, I
don't understand why you would say that. I don't even understand. Can you
imagine all that if someone's like, look, it's not because you're she's prettier.
I mean she is, obviously, it's not because but it's not,
that's not the reason because she's like a you know, pageant queen. It's
not that. No, it's but the way he said it was worse.
He's like, it's not just like basically he should have said just it would
have been like, not just about looks. I just have a deeper like
how much more painful can he make it? It's already so painful. He's
not saying one thing to her like I loved you, You're beautiful, You're
everything, and I'm I know, I'm just going through a crazy time and
I'm so sorry. Like none of that was said. It was I have
a deeper connection with her. She shows me respect. It's not just that
she's prettier. You might as well have just said that. Fuck you,
Tom Sandoval. Oh my god, I got so mad. He's vile.
I'm so cold, so cold, and I oh god, it was then
he brings up the sex life again when he says, like, you know,
we only have so I wrote this on whispering, I was like four
times a year with Sandoval is like a hero to me. That seems plenty
well. And I do believe that she told him why, which is that
she would need to spend time with them. And it's like it's hard to
like have sex with somebody when they're out having sex with somebody else. Yeah,
oh god, Well we're going to get to that where he blames her
for not finding out. Oh yeah, so that's later. Also, can
you imagine having that conversation with someone with like with the white nail polish,
Like, so someone's breaking up with you in the coldest, most vile way
you've ever could ever imagine, and then they just have like liquid paper on
their nails. Get the fuck out of here. I just don't see the
problem for me is that he's so sexless to me anyway, his whole and
it's not just because he you know, is like you know, whatever,
if he's by or whatever his thing is, how he identifies, that's not
that's not it it's not the whole like hey, gender bending, like nail
polish. It's just that he has no there's he's you feel like he's a
sexual kind I feel like he's a sexual, and I feel like it's just
he like would just like to have sex with himself. Like I picture him
as somebody who masturbates to like a pick pictures of himself. And I'm not
even just saying that to be mean, it's not. It's just I don't
see him as as having any chemistry with any woman. Maybe guys, maybe
I don't know, but he's not what he's showing with any of the women.
Feels like he's just likes he likes himself reflected back, and that's what
he even says. Yeah, as soon as he lost his mojo and he
wasn't getting it anymore, she wasn't gassing him up, as she rightfully pointed
out, he needs to move on to somebody who would What about when he
finally in that conversation, started kind of crying and he was like, I
thought we'd be together or ever. Well, I just want you to know,
Steph, because you may have missed this. He said the exact same
thing in the exact same tone to Kristen when when they broke up, the
exact same thing. I thought we'd be together forever. Dude, yeah,
start of guy. Yeah, it's unbelievable. So then he goes to Schwartz's,
and Schwartz it feels at first like he's like a man, our business
man, you're screwed up, our bar. I feel like there's a I'm
sorry, I'm not on Schwartz's side here either. I feel like he thinks
it's funny. At first, he's kind of laughing. He's like, I'm
not going to pick you when you're down, bur and all he cares about
our yelp reviews. That's all he cares about. He doesn't care about anything.
He doesn't care about Katie, he doesn't care about Arianna. He cares
about like, oh my god, we're gonna start getting negative reviews. Do
you think it's weird that Kim calls her? Do you think it's weird that
he calls her Arianna and Santaval calls her Arianna? Like half the people call
her Arianna and half the people call her Arianna, And it's very confusing to
me, Like it is Arianna, right, Like yeah, So Swartz just
never learned her name. Honestly, I can't stand him. I might,
I might like him less, I knew less of a personality at all.
He's just this smimmy, unformed, like selfish. Yeah, I couldn't believe
that he was, Like, Oh, I hope people don't blame me.
Okay, if you had to spend eighty hours locked in a cell, you
get water and there's like a little toilet, private toilet, but not that
private, okay, and it is either with Sandoval, Schwartz or James,
and you're gonna have to stay awake the whole time because you have to solve
puzzles and like talk. I don't know what game show. Don't worry about
the logistics of why you're into this puzzle room or whatever. Okay, who
do you choose? It can't be James, that'd be a nightmare. Well
that would trigger me because he just want to drink the whole time. Well,
they all would, they all would. Yeah, you're right, you're
right. Um, I would say Schwartz does less coke. I'd say the
other two or more going to be grindy, which but Schwartz would be of
no help. He's so aggressively stupid that I feel like I'd have to go
with somebody else just because they could help. Well, well, Sandoval would
yell at me. He would probably yell, and so would James, most
likely until he fell asleep he took her out. I bet, I bet
he'd be like all bray that he'd just fall asleep and I need want to
cuddle, and I'd be like, no, we can't. We need to
get out of here, and he'd be like, wash, let's do it
later. So I said, you choose Sandoval. Well, no, youtoo,
Schwartz. I would choose Schwartz. I guess if I had to be
in a puzzle room, you don't die if you don't get out of the
puzzle. It's not like I think i'd choose James, even though I don't
like him at all. Interesting, you'd make me laugh a little bit,
Okay, all right, I would just be so annoyed by I'd be so
I couldn't I hate Sandoval, and I would be really annoyed by Schwartz.
Well, listen, I know your birthday is coming up, and this was
gonna I wasn't gonna tell you, but I'm glad you chose James, because
I have arranged an eighty hour puzzle room with James and he comes out of
a room. I have had him in this little closet the whole time.
It's something offered by cameo. Listen. I paid seventy five dollars and he
agreed to do it. Watching his cameos really bring me so much fear.
I am so scared. There's not I don't even think they're funny because he's
so out of his mind. I have to watch one. I will send
you some, Okay. So, so he's upset about the yelp and then
he asked, So Schwartz asks, He's like, can you can you please
tell people I wasn't like complicit? Yes you were. First of all,
Yes you were. Yes you were. So Sandoval has every right to bring
you down with him. I think he may. You know, he may
not have done the things that Sandoval did, but he kind of did.
It's not as bad because he was divorced from Katie. But he used,
he used, they all used him as a pawn, and he allowed that
to happen, even knowing it would just break Katie's heart for absolutely no reason.
Yeah, but this is the part that was so unbelievable. So yeah,
you know, Schwartz is like, I told you that you needed to
tell her or did and then uh, Santa Bal's like, I mean I
just had a I just had a feel like she didn't want to know.
Yes, And he said, well she had to do this, Well you
needed to tell her. This is what would happen, like she'd be humiliated.
And this is when he's like, well she should have known, you
know, like I told her I was going to Schwartz's and she could have
followed me, you know, he said, all she had to do is
followed. She should have put a tracker on my car, or like maybe
she should have installed like a nest cam at your house, like you know,
obviously she didn't want to know. She could have put a tile on
my penis, Like this is on her. She needs to own it.
That was insane. And by the way, Jack's called this years ago,
they should have flashback to Jack's. They've always said they've all covered. They
all covered for each other for each other. Sandoval used to cover for Jackson.
I mean they all cheated on their respective like constantly, and they all
covered, and Schwart's always covered for everyone including so I don't know if you
saw the season where Kristen went and got this chick that she said that he
had Sandoval had had sex with and and lied about. And so Sandoval had
left Kristin to date Ariana and had had and made out with Arianna, probably
slept with her before he was done with Kristin the exact same thing, not
right, and and then he'd slept with somebody else and Kristin found out about
it and then flew that woman was this the vaguest woman I don't remember,
but she flew her out to sir while they were working, and it was
like, confront him. Go up to the bar right now and confront him.
So this woman that she had Sandoval had slept with does that and he's
like, I never, I've never seen you in my life never, so
comes out last night, Yeah, yeah, I slept with her, right,
I mean that's a little bit later. But the weirdest thing is Ariana
knew about it. It's like she knew and she was trying to cover for
it that came out that she was like, yeah, nah, is no
hero. Later they showed that flashback where she's talking to Kristen, right and
she's like, oh, so you know you think that the answer is to
like fuck my boyfriend or whatever. And she has no explanation for that.
She's like, oh, and she was constantly gaslighter. She's like, she
doesn't he doesn't want to be her boyfriend. She was being she was bringing
pretty cold to Kristen. Yeah, part of that was Sandy Ball saying,
how how crazy Christen is. She's a mental case, she has borderline,
she's nuts. She's going to kill herself if I leave her. Bear with
me, right, So he said the same thing. He did the same
thing, and I didn't believe it. I don't know if you believe it.
But when he was telling people she threatened she was killed herself if I
left her, I don't believe that. It's keeps escalating because before he's just
like okay. Earlier in the episode, I think, in a part that
already passed, he says he his complaint is that he's tried to break up
with her, but she just pressed him. And you know, right,
he never said I was scared to break up with her because I didn't want
her to hurt herself. He only brings that up later, Like I think
he's just trying to save himself. I don't think I think that that.
I'm not sure. And if anything, he brought it up later though,
because he had to have some reason. He had to have some like you're
saying, I don't know if it's true or not, I don't know.
But if it is true, even whether it be either way, it's the
most disgusting thing to share with someone that you dated for nine years. Yeah,
who has her own issues. So I think that that's so okay.
So then so then they're having like a little party where Arianna is going to
talk and tell everybody. So Sheena comes over in her little dumb bucket hat.
And by the way, I just want to say, and this is
not I'm not mad at you at all. And I understand you've been really
focused on James and wanting to live with him for a while. Right,
Um, But when I had my last breakup, like I did not have
people come over with champagne. No one Well, first of all, no
one can come over because my dog. But let's say, men Roe hadn't
been here. Nobody came over with like booze and like gather around and hugging.
And I would like that I just want to say, on my next
breakup, I would like like some girlfriends to get to get everyone to get
together, I have to have been with the person for like nine years.
I would have to have I was with one guy for seven years. Nobody
came over, but you broke up with him. Well it was mutual.
I guess it was. I mean, I'm just saying on the next breakup,
and he does not have to be setting it out there that I would
like petation. I want like a sex in the city group of friends come
over and like sit around and like, let's let's talk about it, let's
chat, let's let me, let me hug you. I could have used
that on the last one. Okay, So they come over for this,
but to be fair, there are cameras there. There are a lot of
cameras a lot of cameras. Yeah, so this is her gay friends and
her friend Meredith. Yeah, and Sheena comes over and immediately makes it about
herself. Immediately she starts trying like she's the one who got broken up with
and she's like, oh yeah, I just I know no, Like,
who are these people? Suddenly she's Jerry Seinfeld. People break up with you,
I imagine so Katie comes to I actually believed them though in this scene.
I believed their reactions. And what really kind of annoyed me for a
second though, is I thought there was a moment where Arianna. I know
she's going through her hell right now, it's about her, But I thought
in that moment she could have apologized to Katie about downplayed downplaying rock Helen Schwartz
all season, So I'll season Katie had to think it was about Schwartz and
Arianna never like really, she just never got in the middle of it.
No, she never cared. She doesn't care about Katie. I don't care
about Katie, and she didn't care when it was her guy who, by
the way, ps she was married, she'd been married, was still married
too. Oh yeah, I'm gonna say something ready. Yes, I don't
think any of these people have any feelings about anybody but themselves. They're a
ry, self centered, wanting to be stars bunch, and I don't think
they care about each other or they're actually know how to be loyal to friends.
I'm not Sandoval. You don't think that about Sandoval, right. I
didn't say Sandoval. I said these people at this particular party I'm just talking
about her gay friends at the party. I came for them. I'm like,
just her friends who are yeah right, I mean, but it was
very okay, And I'm gonna I'm gonna step back a little from needing everyone
because you're right, it was cameras they are gathered around. They all have
to, like you said, when we talk about love's blood, they all
have to sit on the same couch on the same side. Everyone has to
awkwardly sit around. Um okay. So yeah, that just that for some
reason, that's just always triggered me. And maybe that's an off camera conversation
that they've had. But show some something to Katie because she had to,
like she had to do it all by herself with everyone she and she didn't
get a Bloomingdale's deal, she didn't get Dancing with the Stars. Oh you
know, like shed just suffer and she had to. She was so strong.
I feel like Katie was so strong up against that short shit. I
think so too. So this part, okay, this part is Arianna's telling
the story. Yeah, about how Tom said that he only kissed her after
the Girl's trip and then he so he all Tom Sandoval does is lie He's
just the most lyingest liar whoever lied. All he does is lie, and
every single story has to be fact checked with other people and it always turns
out that's not the story that's right. So she heard that he just kissed
Roqual after the girl's trip, but then she finds out they fucked in the
car and then Tom didn't have a key to get in. They were outside
of the house while she was inside mourning her dog. Yeah, he was
dying. He's having sex with Nashinaecal in the car and then he comes she
says, he comes over, he has to knock at the door, she
has to get up and let him in, and then he was met at
her. Yeah, yes, and I believe that. I really believe that
three and I love it. Right after that, so Shena confirms the whole
thing back and forth. She did shove her really hard, but I love
that she's like, I can't even make a fist when she's showing that her
nails really won't make a fist. And of course she didn't punch her nail.
Her crazy long nail scratched Roquehill's forehead, right, that's it, I
mean, And she got a restraining order for that. After all that,
to on top of what a bile, evil, disgusting person she is,
she's going to legally take down like somebody who has like a kid. I
think that Roquell kidding honestly believes that she's the victim in all this. She
might she's a Now that's an interesting part too. When Katie brings up,
she's like, I have a little information because it's all kind of coming back
to me now. When she was upset at roqueill like following them around Bravo
con I guess Schwartz said to Katie, She's like, well, don't worry,
she's not here for me. And now when she thinks about it,
she's like, oh, he was saying all the way back in August,
all the way back that oh, she's here for sand of all, and
he knew, of course he knew. And she was wearing a Sandoval.
Yeah, she's wearing the Tom Tom hoodie. Right, that's nothing underneath,
she said, right, which tells me that they probably went off and had
sex in a hotel room totally, and then he was wearing her she was
wearing a sweatshirt totally, totally, totally, and the only reason. Yeah,
that came up. That's the only way that works. You don't try
to walk around in a sweatshirt with nothing underneath it for no reason. What
was the penis flute that Logan broke? And if the next time someone breaks
up with me, we can I go get it? Will you bring me
a penis flute? And just so we smash? Okay, that's all I'm
asking done. I like that part. Okay, So then we go to
James and Ali's house. James, He's like, I'm not even mad at
Roquel. I'm mad at Tom Sandoval. Why are you not mad at Roquel?
That's see, this is where I just starting to make me crazy.
It's like, why are people still like, oh, this is none of
this is Roquel's fault. Yes it is totally is. Yes Tom Sandoval's for
of course it is. And yes he was the one in a relationship and
he was the one who fucks somebody over. But why are all of these
people constantly defending Raquel? Well they are and they aren't. I mean he
said that, and it was weird, but it was really funny basically when
they didn't prank call her, but they kind of did, Like I laughed
out loud when they were all trying not to laugh when they call it.
When James called, he's like, no, I'm calling it quiet. Right
before that though, and Lalla says Lalla comes in and then she's like,
how are you And he's like, well, I'm drinking at five in the
afternoon. No, that's because you're an alcoholic. Nobody's me. You're not
like, oh my god, I mean I would I would never drink at
five in the afternoon. But this is just this news is so horrible.
First of all, it didn't happen to your company. To other these people
are all acting like this happened to them, right. The only person I
would throw into that is Katie gets because I'm so prokay. I love Katie
so much. I feel like I just I think I'm in love with Katie
in some ways. But I feel like she gets a little bit because she
went through so much torture all season. Yeah, but everybody else, Yeah,
it didn't happen to them. But it was funny when it's apologizing to
her, like you said, why isn't anybody like why has There wasn't one
scene in all of last night's finale where people were like, you know what,
Katie, we owe you such an apology. All you did was try
to warn us this whole season. All you did was say, like,
you guys, this is not right. And we allowed you to take the
brunt of that, and we stuck up for her time and time again,
and we were wrong, especially Arianna. I'm so sorry, especially knowing how
much pain. And by the way, okay, we'll get to we'll get
to all that, and what people will push back on with Katie's they'll say,
well, she was such a mean girl. She was a mean girl.
I've watched these I've watched episodes back. Yes, she was not the
nicest always, but she's certainly not the meanest of all the girls. And
she's the only one who never cheated on well, she may have later cheated
on charts, but she never cheated with anyone in the group. She never
like, she didn't do all those things. She's not relentless. She may
have had big fights with Schwartz and they like went at it, but I
think you know, he was constantly cheating on her, constantly gaslighting her,
like oh my god, yeah, it made me some matter. Okay,
before we get to the phone call, you're right, La, La brought
up that. No, this is not the first time. Now this is
huge. Okay, so they're trying they're basically this is the first time.
I think I'd seen it online. But they're suggesting that Tom and Billy had
hooked up. That's information I did not know that. That comes out a
little again later and watch what happens. But that's a big thing that like,
of all the people that you know, he says, he hooked up
with a lot of people, believed that Billy was one of them. So
I believe it, Yes, I do. Well red somewhere that they were
together like a month ago, Tom and Billy. Yeah, well they were
together as friends. I mean they were spotted together hanging out. I don't
think they've hooked up since all this happened. I think they hooked up back
the day. Okay, possibly. Um, now this is where heat.
We'll come back to that. Put put that. Just that's out there and
we're gonna come back to it. So then, uh, then then they
make the phone call. When she answers, Rocke is like, hello,
what's up? Just nothing, he doesn't feel like it, Just what's up?
Hey, what's up? How do you feel about what you've done?
How do you feel about it? She's like whatever, and then she's like,
I'm sorry, I don't care about your whatever. What did you something
about about yourself? How do you feel about it? You trashed it all
for his stinky old, forty old cock, that's what he said. Then
she goes, well yeah, and then she said something and then he's like,
you're not the brightest chick. And then Ali's like, hang up,
hang up. He just hangs up on her. I laughed. They were
just I loved that moment that seemed very real where they're all so freaking high
school though. I loved it. I loved it. But she doesn't even
feel it. It doesn't work because she doesn't even understand what's happening here,
what's here? She doesn't care. Okay, so now it's rock hell and
tom oh god, this is oh my god, and she's so thrilled.
She this is just a she's like in a movie about her own life.
To her, she does not care. She doesn't feel any sort of shame.
She thinks it's all kind of funny. Oh, she totally thinks it's
First of all, her apartment is dumb. Not only is she dumb.
Her apartment is just dumb. There were like weird stuffed animals everywhere, the
pink lights and I love it. He's like, hey, can we kill
the lights and just like put on some Strobe lights. I need more like
strobe lights and like Starry Sorry, I feel like they're super fucked up here.
They're probably acting right now in the scene. Yeah, you know,
they seem like really out of it. Yeah, dude, where we belong
in hell? Yeah? And she's like, what, I just think we're
two people who are like friends and like fun love. We're two people who
can feel its Okay. Can you make the strobe lights more intense because I'm
like not feeling the smalley okay? And then oh the accidental I love you?
I love you too? He shut up? How dare he? This
was? If this is all the right timeline, this is two days after
like she found Ariana found out. Maybe it's a week at this point.
I don't know, but that really was upsetting to me how little he cared.
Yeah, but he did the same thing to Kristen. So then then
when she's like it is like I feel isolated, like no one's got no
one's on my sae. Yeah, you are isolated girl, Yeah, definitely
isolated. Good luck. Yeah, and she says the thing she goes,
am, I really putting my life on the line for someone who cheats.
That was the only thing she said that made sense in her entire time on
vander Pump. Yeah. Yeah, that's what you're doing. And she has
no remorse about it. She just got concerned about herself, like you said,
yeah. And then she's like, Okay, my eyebrow, Oh I
got a little boo boo on my eyebrow, Tom, and she's look and
I took it like it took it like a champ. Do you love me?
Do you want more stroke lights? And then did you see that?
Then Tom makes his face when he's looking at her like like he's doing an
Elvis impersonation. Look thunk her much like the lip curl. Yeah, and
he's like, oh, I'm not gonna give you a schnary look. Nobody's
gonna scratch scratch my girlfriend. I know. It was really annoying. Okay,
so then so then I love that. It just goes to the kirot.
It's just like Rachel turned off, Roquel turned off her phone and wasn't
heard from for weeks. Girl. No, she didn't really ab if in
case anybody wants to think she was, she wasn't, right, Okay,
So then now Arianna goes to Lisa's. So then I don't know what I'm
what I meant here? No Sandoval, Oh yeah, when she goes,
you know, Sandoval is down, he's feeling She's like, no, he's
not. He doesn't feel bad about this, right. I like that.
I like that moment. And then she's and I love that she's just calling.
She's like, well, maybe she can go change her name back to
Rachel or another name. I love that so much. And I was just
so hard I believed her. But I do feel like Lisa Vanderpump was being
a bit of an apologist though, oh totally. Well, here's a little
inside scoop. Okay, I did a little slew thing as of like a
couple days ago. Lisa does not follow Arianna. They don't follow each other
on Instagram anymore. Arianna unfollowed Lisa, Lisa and followed Ariana, but Lisa
does follow Sandibal found that interesting that you can read into it what you want.
It may have changed by the time you're hearing this. Well, hearing
so fucking childish. I know Lisa's doing it too. It seems really childish
to like unfollow people to make your allegiances known. And obviously Lisa's allegiance is
to her bars and her restaurants and her businesses. Well, but doesn't she
have some steak in? There's something about her in the sandwich shop, probably
not as much that it's such a small little sandwich shop. I bet you
those girls actually got are true a business loan? Yeah? No, I
think they did, and Tom, Tom, they only have a very small
percentage right in that business. Originally, Randall Emmett had given some money to
some to back some of those things. But I think the girls gave it
back. Oh they're like no, thanks, something happened or some deal went
through. But he gave He put a lot of money down for a lot
of this shit. And I believe, if I remember correctly, that Katie
and Ariana were like nope, because they have souls right now. Did Rachael
Emmett get back together with his wife, I do not believe. So.
I think he has a different girlfriend who's even younger. Oh good, younger
and younger and younger. Okay, So Schwartz brings the dogs over to Katie's.
This was I thought maybe could be a really sweet scene. I thought
this could be a moment where Schwartz was like, Haitie, I know we've
been through hell and back and it's not all my fault, but in this
case, I am so fucking sorry. Never like you said, never,
just nothing. And then he was calling her Arianna, which I was very
confused by them at yeah, She's like, how long I need to talk
to you? Yeah? How long have you known? And he goes,
oh, couple couple weeks, a couple of weeks, and she's like,
m now. Last September, Roquell is wearing the Tom Tom sweatshirt, nothing
underneath it. I say to you, you know what I said? And
then you're like, oh, she's not into me. And then he's like,
huh, why don't you fucking fess up and be honest for once?
And he goes okay, like I knew about the one night or last September
or whatever, but like, um, the way I justify it in my
head is like he tried to break up with her. No, the Tom
talks like this, it's very like, you know, come on, come
on, Katie, come on, bub come on, Bub's I just knew
the one time that they fucked. It's like, well, okay, but
that's still pretty bad. And then he immediately goes into the how this is
going to be for him. He's like, uh, you know, like
what about me, Like my bar might not do well? Yeah, and
then help Katie goes, well, you're gonna lose a lot of friends,
and he's like, oh, I don't think so. I'm just a dude
trying to get by in life. Yeah, I'm just I'm just a dude
trying to like help his family and just like be a good gun. She's
like, you're a bitch boy. And then he's still trying to be cute.
He's still trying to make jokes. Come on, Bubba, come on,
Bubba, it's me and you, Bubba. Shut up. He's horrible.
He is horrible and horrible in a way. It is a little bit
worse because with Schwartz, you don't see it like I told you about the
time like a couple of years ago where I ran into him and I just
I fell under. I fell under Schwartz's charm. I did. He said
hi to me. We were at like Starbucks outside Sunset five and I was
like, oh, hi, you know, and then he was like hi,
and he it's flirty and he's there's something very charming about him. The
dumb guy persona or just like not dumb, like puppy dog whatever persona,
and you fall for it, and everybody fell for it, and that must
have been so frustrating for Katie. Yeah, okay, So now we have
Kristen. Finally she shows up for Ariana. There are they are good friends.
They are friends, and I mean it took her ten years. I
mean she finally got people to see you like, see, I wasn't lying
about sand Aval. Oh yeah, if anybody's the hero, because I don't
really know the backstory, Kristen's just like, yeah, I let this shit
go, dude, But like I told you, I told you, I
said, And then they had the flashback of her going good luck, wondering
where he is every night, laying in bed with the best liar. Yep,
God, that was that was I can't believe they even have that for
so long. And then when when Arianna does kind of try to apologize,
she's like, he tried to tell me, I'm sorry. Whatever. Then
she's like pitch push on me. I love that. We need a little
Chris. Although Kristen wasn't great either. She slept with Jack's when he was
dating STOSSI, so they're all pretty terrible. Then they burned some shit,
which I liked. I liked that little little ceremony which prayer I again good.
Lisa Vanderpump meets up with tom Um Yes, okay, so then again
at first yeah, yeah, did you think that was real? There's a
lot of god, no, the hyperventilating. No, dude, do you
see how hard this is for me? Yeah? This is so hard on
me. Dude, dude, dude. And Lisa is not the person for
this, because she's not going to be like a sweet tall but she kind
of is. She's like, you're not a bad person. You did a
bad thing. No, he's a bad person, right, He's definitely a
bad person, terrible person. It has been forever, this whole time high
and people just put up with it. Right. So then we go to
I don't know why Charlie's back. I guess in her contract she has to
have at least four scenes so annoying that she's even there because she's so mean
and terrible. But then now she and Katie like in La La, I
guess whatever, they all come together, right, Gina, who's Coco?
Coco's her sister? I think, Okay, I don't know. And they're
all kind of just looking. I didn't bother to learn about certain people as
well. You shouldn't have. That's too many people. Yeah, And then
she she talks about the talks about the restraining order her. I still kind
of say good for her if she shoved her. I wouldn't have even cared
if she hit her. I'm not a big fan of hitting, but but
she is, Like, I've been a mom and a sister to that girl,
and she thinks me by filing legal paperwork. Why why is everybody trying
to prove like how how great they were, how how close they were to
Roquell? Like, this girl has no personality, she's nothing. She's just
like a pile of slime, and everyone's like, oh my god. Everybody
puts projects these qualities onto her. Every single one of these girls has stuck
up for Roquell and talked about what a great girl she is in what way?
She's not smart, she's not funny, she's not loyal, she doesn't
give a fuck about anybody. She's vapid, she's empty, she's like sad
that her pageant career went down, Like what is the thing that they're all
like, Oh my god, she's just such an amazing person. I wonder
if it's like keep your enemies closer. I wonder if there was a sense
with the women of like, well, she's going to take our guys,
so we better if we're really really nice to her and we make her a
friend. But they had no reason to believe that unless there was some subconscious
reason that they felt sometimes you know what I mean, Like I wonder if
they're like, well, she's the one to watch, so let's now she's
single, so we better like keep her eye on her. But that's not
the vibe that they were giving off. I don't know. I really couldn't
tell you. All I know is that Schwartz. So I loved when second
when kat like shorts, Ariana's like nope, fuck shorts. She's like mad
at him too because he, you know, didn't tell her right. And
I love that Katie had one little card. She's like, well, he's
gonna come by. He wants to come by, and I wish. I
know Katie didn't do it for this reason, but I wish it had been
a little bit of a fuck you. He's my friend. He's coming by
like a little bit do you know what I mean, A little bit of
like, well, you're gonna have to deal with her, just the way
I had to deal with everybody else. Yeah, I do think she kind
of I feel like her a little side smile. Did She's noticed that.
She did a little like smile from one side of her mouth, like yeah.
And then and then he comes in like a Lenny and Squiggy moment.
He just walks in. He's like, hey, guys, he never his
appearances never work out for him. He's always showing up places that he's not
wanted and then being surprised that he's not wanted. Right totally, and you're
righted. It seemed so obvious. It was whole held by production while he's
coming by, and maybe Katie's smile because he could just see him standing in
the shadows waiting to be like, Okay, enter enter the scene action right,
right, Yeah, he enters and it's so fake and he's just trying.
It's like, oh, yeah, you know what I mean? And
She's like, I'm sorry, I'm not going to be friends with you.
I can't be friends. I mean, we're done. We're all done here.
Then then Schwartz is like, you know, you know, you know
what I'm sad about. It is like my business, you know. And
then Arianna goes yeah yeah, and he publicly apologized to his business and partners
before me. Yeah, and then sad move. Schwartz brings it back to
himself though. He's like, oh yeah, but I've been depicted as a
co conspiratortion bro like yeah. And then Arianna, thank god, is like,
well, I'm not gonna be friends with any of his friends anymore.
So if you're his friend, right friends, right? Good for her?
Tried to help him. I tried to help him go five days without drinking
so we could have a baby that he wanted. Not here. Yeah for
him, yeah, oh my god, is very telling and he deserved that
because all he does is talk about how she wouldn't fuck him. Right,
Well, maybe you couldn't maybe because you couldn't stop drinking for five minutes.
Mm hmm. Okay, yeah, okay. So the biggest scene was Shena
and Brock, well not Brock, but Brock's there, he's mad, you
know, if Sandoval comes over and he's like, all right, you really
made it hard for us, which again is making it about them. You
made it hard for us to we really do like you, and when the
cameras turn off, but we can't pretend we like. That's what Brock is
kind of I don't know what Brock is saying. He does look cute with
his haircut. He got his man bun cut, and he's kind of hot.
I'm gonna say it. He looks better. He does look a lot
better. Okay, So then so Sandoval at this point his face now he's
exhausted, he's on a like apology tour, and he just made me want
he's such a bad actor and he made me want to vomit at this point.
But I believe Shena. I believed her in the scene that she was
genuinely upset about like gonna miss his friendship, I guess. And I like
that she takes him a task. She feels like the only one that she's
like kind of saying, but you were lying, you were always lying,
and there were always others. We know there were others. Who were they?
And then this is when it kind of starts to come out well,
okay, the chick, Yeah, that one all that comes out. This
is also when it comes out where he's full on saying she threatened to kill
herself bro yep and turned forty. I had a spiritual awakening, you know,
and I was going to totally break up with her. Yeah, And
she goes, right, yeah, so instead you did your best friend and
this wasn't the first time. I love how he tries to make it sound
like I had a spiritual awakening, like I'm the good guy here, right,
I'm the one who's close to God people. Then she's trying to get
him to admit, like who the other person was? It is like is
this someone we know whatever? And he's like, well, I'm not gonna
do yeah, I mean I think we kind of know who it is.
But that gets a little bit muddied, and watch what happens really kick But
that said, so she's crying and she's like, I'm gonna miss you.
I'm just gonna miss you. Why did you do this to me? Vauchina?
But she really was genuinely upset, which kind of made me like her
for a second because she actually has feelings. I know. Okay, so
this is not that much happened on watch what happens. Arianna comes out,
she looks hot. But remember when they so this is now, this happened
the news came out March third or March first. March third is when they
filmed, So March first when she knew. So we're only looking at like
two and a half months later. Ariana's got she's got makeup deals, she
got a huge shopping spree, she's got a movie, and she got like
dancing with the stars and a new boyfriend. Okay, how did you do
that in two months? I understand all the deals because people she's she's the
moment, as they kept saying, she's you know, for all of us,
for all the women. But she already has like a new, full
on boyfriend. Who's her new boyfriend? Okay, so it's this guy.
I got it wrong last time because I thought it was a Yankee because she
was wearing a Yankee jersey. It's a it's a he's some kind of like,
um, I don't know what do you call it? Oh my god,
DJ, Yeah, just keep guessing things. Finance brother, finance bro.
No, like a workout guys, that was where I was going next.
Yes, he's a trainer and they but they were already together, I
believe by the time of Kacha, so that was only a month or so
later. So I mean, I'm I'm all about the bounce back. I
think it's great to rebound or you know, even if you fall in love
really fast, it happens, and why waste time. But at the same
time, if she wasn't that she never really seemed that upset. Well,
I'll tell you what was probably happening from my perspective, like I'm some kind
of an expert on this, but probably she. I mean, the relationship
wasn't that intimate, but she just didn't know that he was cheating. Like
I think she was like, well, I guess this is just what it
is, and we've been together a really long time time and it's not sexy
or fun. I mean, she couldn't be thrilled that she wasn't having sex
with him either, but she just wasn't right feeling it because he wasn't being
creating like an intimacy with her. So I have a feeling that she kind
of, you know, subconsciously felt all that felt like if this is not
fulfilling for me either. So as soon as there was a reason, as
soon as she was like, oh, because he's cheating on me, Yeah,
this isn't normal how I'm feeling, she was like, okay, bye,
I think that gives the guy, yeah, of credence, don't get
mad, a little tiny bit of credence to Sandoval's narrative, not that she
was going to break out killers to all that stuff, but the narrative that
it really wasn't It was really kind of for vander Pump name only. They
were kind of a brand. There probably is some truth to it. It
doesn't make it okay. What he did, well, what he does is
he's a serial cheater. So what he should have done is break up with
her, which is what everybody's saying. And then when he says, like,
let's let's just go back to this part really quick where he said,
oh, well I couldn't break up with her. She threatened to kill herself,
and Shena had exactly right. She was like, Okay, then you
gather her friends, you make sure she has support, and you say this
isn't working, and you walk out and you let her friends pick up the
pieces. That's right, you don't fuck her best friend. Like that's why
he's the anti hero. I mean, he's the he's the worst. He's
the villain and she's the hero. And it didn't have to be that way.
I don't think anybody would have actually blamed him if he was like,
listen, we've been more like you know, roommates for a long time and
it's not working for me. Right, Absolutely is what he should have done.
It's one and he will not admit. He will say like, oh,
I know I could have fucked up. But here's what she was doing.
Here's her part. She should she should have followed me. She should
have figured it out, like this is why he's not getting out of this.
Uns like he can't get out of this. Here's another weird thing that
I thought that she said during watch what Happens. He's like, when she
should have followed me things, She's like, well I did, I mean
I did always ask to see his phone. That's not great, that's interesting
and weird o. The relationship was over. They didn't have a good relationship.
I don't think anybody's arguing like, oh my god, but why would
you guys are gonna get married? They were never asked to see someone's phone.
I've never I've been in a lot of relationships, some long, some
short, some more intense than others, and I don't think I've ever said,
like, show me your phone. Who were you talking to? Well,
if you're suspicious of somebody and you got it, you got together with
them because they were a cheater and you don't and you have trust issues in
your relationship, I could see it right right right. I just think it's
just like telling like you said that it was already so bad. He's a
sneaky bitch. Yeah, and he covered it really well, she said he
was. She never saw anything right, he covered it. He's super sneaky.
All he had to do was break up with her, and Andy asked
her, and watch what happens. He's like, so, did he ever
try to break up with you? And she's like nope, Like, which
goes against the conversation what he saying, which is like I tried so many
times, bro, Like, no, you didn't. And I believe her
on that. Nope, he never, like you're saying, never had that
conversation. Well, when she was talking to him, she kind of acknowledged
that he said, like it wasn't working or that, you know, and
then she was like yeah, and that's when you like, that's what happens
in long term relationships and then you get counseling. It sounds to me like
he kept saying, hey, I'm not like fulfilled or whatever, and she
was like, Okay, then let's work on it. And I think he
did work on it and didn't want to say it. Yeah he was.
Yeah, And they still live in the same as of watch What Happens Life,
they're still living in the same house. Well, they're both shitch,
they're both have been on a successful TV show for a long time. Why
don't they get separate apartments with an apartment? One of them get an apartment.
You could switch off. Let's say, and pay have an apartment and
each pay the rent. You split the rent of that apartment, and then
just switch your months until you sell the house. That's what you do.
I have no idea. She was even saying she like gets his mail and
just like has her aistant give it to his assistant in the same house.
House isn't that big live in Studio city or something like. It's fine,
it's a nice house, but it's not like some mansion where you have like
a wing. It's ridiculous. Oh, I know, it's not that big.
I go there, like, I'm there like three times a week.
And at Sannahbell's I don't sleep over because there's not room. They don't even
have a guest room for me. That's so weird for me. They have
a guest room for other people. It's very insulting. Actually, did you
did you dip out? Sometimes you just dip out. Sometimes I get yeah,
I get annoyed. I'm like, okay, well maybe you don't even
want me here, like hanging out in your backyard. I'm getting a feeling.
I mean, okay, last thing to say, okay, this,
because this is the biggest news is this was what's all over everyone's trying to
figure out who. First of all, it's not just one other person you
cheated with. So hem she confirmed ariana confirmed Miami girl. She's like,
yeah, I knew about that, but I was trying to cover for him.
So, as we said at the beginning, then there's this other one.
But a lot of people are saying it's Billy. And so when Andy
was asking specifically, okay, was it okay? All right? Like it
was kind of tricky, but it was like, all right, so he
cheated with other people? Was the other person a woman like said that right,
so flat out because and she's like, yeah, yes, but I
mean that's tricky because Billy is female. Billy's a woman hands So that's what
everybody's saying online is like, no, no, no, this was Billy,
and Ariana did not want hate to come for Billy because she's friends with
her. They're both both Handabal and Arianna are friends with Billy, and she
just I think Ariana maybe knew that they hooked up, possibly and just wants
to protect Billy from the hate, which is what everybody's sort of saying online.
We don't know that for sure, but I think that's just like another
another notch of Ariana being a good person, saying, look, I've been
hurt by all of this. I've been completely hurt by this, but I'm
not going to like let hate come for Billy. So do you think Ariana
thinks that it's true, definitely true that he hooked up with Billy. I
don't know. I mean that would be my guess, that's what or that
is a theory or a guest that's going around online that she knew about it
or knew it was possible and doesn't want to give anything over to it because
she doesn't want Billy to get in trouble. Interesting, and that's just again,
that is a theory that I maybe do know he hooked up with Oh,
and there's other people coming forward on whispering by the way. They're like,
I hugged up with him, my sister. I mean, people are
like coming out of the woodwork. Okay, I'm gonna make I'm going to
diagnose something. I might get upset at this because like who knows, who
knows what this is really? But I think that he's got some kind of
like I think he's a sex addict. Oh, I'm not gonna get and
I won't be surprised if he says that he has sexual addiction. He talks
about sex way too much and makes that the basis for like why he has
to cheat is that he brings up the sexual aspect all the time. He's
a serial cheater. It sounds like he hooks up a lot. It sounds
like he hooks up way more than we think. So I think that's what's
going on with him. That is an interesting function with how he pasta,
he can't help himself, and he's got like an addiction possibly. I mean,
I guess that's a real thing. I always hate. I always feel
like it's a pass in some way. With I'm not giving him a pass.
I also think he's a horrible person. I'm not like he can't help
himself, he's got a sexual addiction. I'm just saying he that's part of
I think he strikes me as an addict in the way that he just lies
so much and then tells moralize to cover up for the lies. And you
know, it's just I don't think anybody should be with this guy. Oh.
I don't think he can be I don't think he can be loyal.
Oh, I agree, Yes, I agree, so many problems. Well
he's here, Now, do you want to talk to him? I do?
I? Oh, go back. God, that was embarrassed and he
thought for sure you'd say yes, and then he came out. So I
feel like this is like a Schwartz moment, like I'm being blindsided, Like
you never even said he's gonna be on the podcast, like you all you
had to do Cecily was say hey, if you don't mind right towards the
end, can Sandy like pop on see he's grinding his teeth. Oh god,
he's grinding his teeth so hard. One of his toothbroke. I have
to teach you with the dentist. All right, well that's a good place
to end it. I get hold on Tom, I will take you to
the stop doing so much out of all then don't prush it up and start
it. You're gonna grind your teeth, all right. We will see you
guys on Tuesday for Love is Blind. Guess what good news. We're starting
for the last episodes to mash two together, so this Tuesday you can look
forward to episodes eight and nine. I love that you're just like good news.
Guys. We finally got wise to the fact that we're going too slowly
with Love is Blind. We're gonna pick it up. We're picking it up.
You guys. Thank you for letting us get all this out about vander
Pump. There's more to come with the reunions, but this has been Oh
yeah, it's been quite a something. We were very serious about it.
Sorry about that, but I and next week our friend Meredith Lynch is going
to join us for the reunion episode for she's going to come for one of
the reunions and it's going to be a blast. Yes, thank you guys,
We love you. Bye bye