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It's the Dearly Departed Podcast, featuring
your host, historian Scott Michaels and filmmaker

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Mike Dorsey. Okay, it is
uh the next episode of Dearly Departed Podcast.

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I'm Mike Dorsey, I'm Scott Michaels, and this is Dearly Departed Podcast,

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and today we're talking about one of
the greatest sitcoms in history, a

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groundbreaking sitcom. I love Lucy.
Yeah, it's it's it's it's certainly probably

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the biggest and most like you say, groundbreaking, it really established precedent that's

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still being used today. So so
yeah, huge, hugely popular and hugely

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important show. Yeah. So we'll
be talking about Lucy and Desi and the

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rest of the main cast before we
get into that, though, I want

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to do in general news. We
had two big things related to the Cecil

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Hotel come out this past month and
you were you were in one of them.

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I was, yeah, yeah,
yeah. We did an episode of

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Ghost Adventures and Zach had done.
We both worked with Zach in the past,

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and this is something that they brought
me in for a historic background on

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the hotel. So the hotel,
basically, you know, the Cecil Hotel

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is notorious and mostly because of the
Elisa Lamb story, but the Cecil Hotel

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has also had an incredible amount of
terrible things happened there over the years.

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It's it's it's bizarre, and it
leads people to think that it's some kind

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of evil portal, and it's not
very often that I would say, maybe

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they're right, But there's so many
terrible things that have happened there, so

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many dozens of suicides, murders,
overdoses, serial killers, just an insane

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amount in one small place. So
the Cecil, because American Horror Story Hotel

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Season with Lady Gaga was based on
the Cecil Hotel, It's got an insane

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amount of publicity. So they were
quite uh when the hotel was still operating

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mostly as a hostel and also as
a single room occupancy sort of you know,

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transient hotel. The hotel security were
really on guard for anyone that would

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go in there as a tourist to
want to see the kind of death,

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you know, weird old place,
and and for people who don't know it's

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downtown Los Angeles, it's in kind
of the skid Row area, um and

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it's a very large, large hotel
that's like a it's a large hotel.

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It's like a hundred years old.
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a hotel could be. But originally
it was it was you know, it

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was built as a luxury hotel.
Then the stock market crash happened, and

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you know it then it turned into
like a worker's hotel and it's a lot

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of um, you know to say, low inc single room occupancy, transient

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hotels. People have lived over twenty
five thirty years and they pay one hundred

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dollars a week or something like that
to stay there. So but anyway,

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they they they they closed the hotel
down because of COVID. There was a

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residential portion of the hotel and they
moved everybody to the second floor and Zach

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and the crew got the rest of
the hotel and every room was opened.

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So we're you know, the rooms
that were able to go with so and

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so jumped out the window and landed
down the guy down at the sidewalk and

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killed them both. We're able to
go into that room. We were able

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to go into the Richard Ramirez room
and into the room where you know,

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Alisa Lamb was staying when when she
died on the roof. But the room

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she was staying in. And it
was interesting about the Netflix documentary was that

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they represented a room on the fifth
floor constantly, but the room that she

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was actually staying in at the time
of her death was was on the fourth

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floor, but they never acknowledged that. But she was in a room with

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a couple of people that kicked her
out because she was acting erratically, and

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then they moved her to a different
floor, and that was the room that

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she was staying in. But it
was wild going through that room and just

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i'd going through the hotel and just
going, oh, yeah, this happened

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there, This happened there, and
it was it was creepy. A one

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room in particular, there was a
murder that took place in sixty four of

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a woman they called pigeon Goldie because
she she fed the pigeons in Pershing Square

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walks away and being in that room, I'm not one to get affected.

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In fact, you were with me
the other time. I was affected,

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literally like I got to get out
of here. And that was the Wonderland

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House, the top floor, and
I was sitting wherever that person was murdered

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and h but it was like,
you know, this is bad. I

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gotta get out. But there was
so much going on in this house and

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the neighbors heard screaming. I'm just
think, you know, what's the drug

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viewers again. But it's just amazing
that those those things happened and it's such

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a quiet area and those house is
literally five feet this way and fight it

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the other way, and nobody called
the cops. And uh, and I

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wouldn't. I wouldn't. I know
if that psychic, I don't know what

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that is. But it was something
that I felt very uncomfortable with. I

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mean, the hairs, everything,
and I've never reacted that way before even

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there, so um so, yeah, that was something that was wild.

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And then I wasn't in on the
Elisa lamb Uh investigation when Zach got and

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those guys did it. But when
after we were done with my part,

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he had one of the producers take
me up to the roof and I was

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able to walk round up there to
see the water tower where she where she

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drank. That was wild. It
was nighttime, so the view was spectacular

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from you know, fifteen stories up. Everything looks good and to the water

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tower where she was where she was
found, was was pretty chilling. It

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was it was a really interesting experience. And so people who don't know.

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Elisa Lamb was a Canadian tourist from
I think the Vancouver area, and she

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um came here kind of. She
was twenty one, and she came here

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on kind of just a trip on
her own around California. She went down

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to San Diego and then she came
up to LA and checked into a hotel

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that she may not have realized was
in a as rough of an area as

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it was. If you don't know
La, you don't you may not know

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any better. And then just mysteriously
disappeared and was found I believe nineteen days

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later, in one of the water
tanks up on top of the roof,

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floating naked. She had taken her
clothes off, and eventually it was ruled

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accidental. She had a history of
psychological problems, bipolar disorder. She was

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on medication. They determined that she
had stopped probably stopped taking her medication.

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Her family said she had a history
of irrational behavior like this. She was

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kicked out of that room because she
was leaving weird notes on the bunk beds

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of the other girls that she was
rooming with, and they complained about it.

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She was leaving notes like telling them
to go home, get out,

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go away. She's very strange,
and so they think that she just ultimately

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had a mental breakdown. But there
was a very weird video of her on

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the elevator that went super viral all
around the world of her acting very strange,

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and people thought that it was that
she was being haunted because she looked

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like she was talking to someone who
wasn't there. Um, and other people

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thought that she had been murdered.
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got a lot of coverage and then
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Netflix kind of tackled the whole thing. Um, and you saw that as

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well. Yeah yeah, yeah,
my friend, honest with you, I

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wasn't a big fan of this documentary. I thought I was going to be.

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But they could have done it in
half the time, and they could.

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I mean they're talking heads. Were
all YouTube sleuths. A lot of

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them were yeah yeah, yeah.
I would have wanted to talk to detectives,

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her family, you know, things
like that, but it was all

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it was. It was YouTube.
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who was the Marcia the detective.
He's a senior detective in lapd who was

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the detective on the case for Robbie
Homicide Division, but they didn't use him

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as much as I think they should
have. Uh. And and then my

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friend Greg Katie, who I made
to wrap with, he they brought him

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and as an expert, he's retired
homicide detective, and they came in.

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He kind of almost was like an
unofficial narrator. He kind of just gave

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you the facts of the story as
it happened. Um. But Yeah,

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they did a lot of the Internet
stuff, and I'm very I'm a very

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skeptical person. I don't cater to
conspiracy that stuff. So I did get

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annoyed a few times by how much
time they spent on all that stuff.

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But then I had to keep reminding
myself that that was also part of the

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story, because I do remember following
it closely at the time, and that

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kind of became part of the story. Was all the all the people of

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what their crazy theories. Um,
but I feel like it was a little

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exploitational on. Yeah, I know
a lot of time to that that death

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metal guy Morbid I think his name
was, Yeah, and they were talking

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about how you know, he had
a song that that kind of mirrored the

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events and then you know, he
was he was behind it. But you

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know, and this is I was
looking at the YouTube clip of his it

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was like ninety seven views. You
know. It's like, I'm not saying

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that's a bad thing. I'm just
saying they're they're making it sound like this

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guy made a living off of this. And there was one weird, you

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know, coincidence and uh And I
also was worthy of noting is that the

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only footage they had the interior of
the hotel was cell phone footage. They

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had no they got no rights to
film in the hotel. Ninety five percent

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of that documentary was drone shots on
the exterior and the stuff that the use

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of the interior was all off people's
phone. So I'm you know again,

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it could have been done in half
the time. And I think they you

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know, okay, okay, I
think the moment, the moment that they

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said that if you pushed that open
door button and it stayed open for two

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minutes, that was like, right, that solves the questionable because that was

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the only watching And I was like, oh wow, that is weird that

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the door wouldn't close. And I
couldn't remember that when it first came out,

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but then and then also the way
that they saved until the very we're

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spoiling thing. Sorry for people if
you've already, if you haven't watched this

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yet and you wanted to turn this
off and go watch it now. But

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the other big thing that they that
they didn't, that they didn't, that

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they kept from you was the lid
and how the maintenance guy that found her

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body said that when he discovered it, the lid was open, and all

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up to that point they made you
believe the lid had been closed, and

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they're like, how could she have
closed the lid from inside the tank,

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and then it comes out it wasn't. And again, if they had just

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said you push that button, the
doors stay open for two minutes, and

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the lid was open, the movie
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For people that don't know. The
shocking thing was that she was in

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that water tower for nineteen days dead
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but clearly for various tomb and people
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pressure was down and that it was
an odd color, and some people complained

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that it smelled or tasted bad because
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In this, you know, woman
water and that's what made it even

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more shocking. And there's lots of
theories about her clothes being taken off,

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as I understand if you if you're
if you have hypothermia, you feel differently.

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And I've done that before where I've
been. You know, I grew

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up in the Midwest. I grew
up where it was freezing and I felt,

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you know, my hands were literally
frozen and they felt hot. So

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you know, you want to you
want to. I'm guessing I wouldn't there.

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But everything that happened to her is
easily explainable now. But you know,

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she was kicked out of that game
show taping the day before because she

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was acting. She wrote a letter
to the host. It was very weird

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and they were like, whoa,
she's a she's a security threat. I

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mean to get her out of here. Yeah, So it's all easily explained

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with all the components in place.
We were never given them all, so

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that that is important, you know, But again, it could have been

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done in half the time. And
look, I I'm not a detective and

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I've spent a lot of time trying
to solve other crimes for shows and movies

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that I've done, so I'm somewhat
of an internet sleuth also. But we

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need to realize that the general public
is not given all the information for a

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reason, and it's at the end
of the day, it's not our business.

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We're not the ones being paid to
solve these crimes, and detectives are.

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And so they withhold information sometimes for
specific reason because they don't want a

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they don't want whoever if it is
foul play, they don't want the person

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know that they're onto them, or
they just want to withhold detail so that

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if someone comes forward with information that
they know they haven't released to the public,

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then they know that it's a credible
person that they can listen to,

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you know. So there's just it's
importantly, well, what in the detective

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celsus because it's none of your down
business, right, it's their business.

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They're trying to solve the crime.
People fired. It's like, right,

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It's like their job is not to
please the public. Their job is to

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solve crimes. So they'll tell the
public if they think it'll help the crime,

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if they don't help them solve it, if they don't think it.

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Well, they won't tell you,
so I get it. Also, I

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talk to her. I message our
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of operations here in La, about
just the Cecil in general, and he

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said that UM at the Cecil and
other hotels like to Cecil. He said,

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it was not uncommon for them to
report, for one, you know,

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a person that was dead in a
hotel room, and as he's walking

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down the hall to see the you
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tape from other times that they'd been
there in the past, he said,

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you'd see it's because it was very
similar when they were talking in the show

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about someone died in that room and
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murder happened there and there was an
overdose over here. It was like,

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you know, you have a seven
hundred room hotel that's you know, a

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century old and a rough part of
town. Yeah, a lot of bad

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stuff's gonna happen there over the years. Yeah. I love that they had

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that manager who said, is there
any room where someone has died in this

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place? I really liked her too. I liked her. I thought she

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a lot of criticism because of all
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floor and just straight up ladder to
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have frozen. I would have absolutely
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been able to move. And oh
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the ghost adventurous thing you did is
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Scene, the Vanishing at the Cecil
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Elisia Lamb story. So if you
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both, So check it out.
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last van load of things from Hollywood. As we're in the car leaving Los

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Angeles, I got the news alert
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Cemetery. So now, are my
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on you know, somebody had his
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That's great, we got another one. That's awesome, Get another good one.

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They're digging him up right, you
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grew up and brought her over.
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estate over there. Yeah. That
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and I think we're gonna skip hate
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No, it's a love mail now. I mean, I'm tired of the

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you know, you look like Uncle
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I just sent this to you to
just announce Tim Burton is going to do

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and Adams's family spin off series on
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the basis for it, and it's
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Burton has ever done. And I
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big bidding war among all the streamers
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just announced like hours before we recorded
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the movies are great, you know, Christina Rigi top her it really would,

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college. I couldn't. I couldn't
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all because you know, Wednesday,
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Adams Family movies when they made them, and I love them, so yeah.

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feature. Um, all right.
So from that segue old TV shows to

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an even older TV show, I
Love Lucy starring Lucio Ball, Daisy are

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As, William Frawley, and Vivian
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at the top television sitcom that started
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six years, and it was the
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was the first or one of the
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a live audience. Uh. They
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so they could easily switch from one
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said, we when we do this
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and don't worry, it'll never obstruct
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give you an example. And it
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that and making it funny instead of
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did happen for the close ups and
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was hugely popular because they you know, the studio wouldn't back it because it

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was, you know, an interracial
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anything to do with it. And
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about it. They they put their
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on them because they didn't sure expect
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the dice big time to make that
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only interracial, but Desi was you
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you know, talking in Spanish and
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would light up. It's like,
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and I never had that before,
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was also the first actress to have
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was pregnant in real life on the
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till later, but um, that's
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then when her character had the baby, that was the highest rated episode of

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the show's history. So Vivian Vance
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and she was the original winner of
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famously, her and William Frawley,
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think that they were the merchists were
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older than Lucille and Daisy or Ricky
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really dowdy clothes to wear. And
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were actually that different in age,
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it down. You know, there's
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can go we'll go into it a
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was you know, don't veer from
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is what you do. And the
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nobody wears eye left the show up
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you know what she said went but
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hard time being you know, sort
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was all about Lucy and merch.
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years older than her and she's supposed
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it made her look. Any actor
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how they are presented, and so
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twenty years older than she is in
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she's competing with the main star of
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a tough situation. Um, but
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they got along more, you know, as time went on, her and

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Lucille ball Um and got to know
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but she said that Um Lucy was
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were so wrapped up in producing the
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that she she said that she never
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doing until she got to watch the
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she just she got a whole new
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back and watch her as an audience
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on screen. So I thought that
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It's funny. They Marine County where
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away, and it seemed like she
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we're friends. They hadn't seen each
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only right up, really, and
I actually understood stood that. But I

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watched the other night the Dean Martin
roast of Lucy, and oh great,

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what they got away with on that
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know, I was watching, and
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of that stuff is like, really
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some really I mean, Dee Martin. Whoever said you know, Dean Martin's

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acting drunk is lying. Dee Martin
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and he can't barely even read the
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vanced as a little a little vivvy

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to Lucy or a little roast of
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was some resentment in there because Lucy
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and they were literally the owners of
the show. And she said, you

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know, I think of my my
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rip off of my life. And
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edge to it, and I'm sure
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but I am feeling that she really
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know, she should have got a
piece of the action. But and she

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did come back. She came back
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a different character, uh and played
a divorced divorced a mother, single mother,

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which I was also the first time
I did a divorcee was presented in

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a major primetime series. Um like
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she had stipulations that she didn't want
to wear the fronty clothes anywhere and more

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she wanted to wear a nice outfits
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weight around a little bit more when
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and she and Lucy and Deasy saw
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on stage and got to meet her
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a story that I read before all
the books came out. There was one

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book called Lucy, Ricky, Fred
and meth All The Story of I Love

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Lucy, And this was published back
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story that you know, there was
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true that Vivian Vance was contractually obligated
to be to stay twenty pounds heavier than

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Lucy. I don't think that's true, but it's been it's been one of

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those rumors. But this is a
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she was, you know, you
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no room for anything else, no
movie. Yeah, And as I understand

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it, when when she was pregnant, when Lucy Ball was pregnant, they

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moved her dressing room closer to the
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back and Lucy's dressing her mooch was
way far away. And there was a

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moment when Lucy O Ball was on
stage and the call time was X and

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Vivian Vance was you know, going
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her own dressing room and want cables
and everything to h to get to this

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to the set and uh, and
then when she got there, Lucy said,

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you're late. And her supposed response
was I tell you to go yourself,

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but das he's already done that.
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kind of but it had to have
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you know, Lucy's you're there and
that's where you're going to stay kind of

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character. But Lucy knew the chemistry, she knew how it was going to

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work, and that's that was the
agreement. It just that she was very

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serious about it. There wasn't a
lot of room my goal. Yep.

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Cancer, isn't it? Yeah? And

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uh and she said, I guess
when when she got hired to be uh,

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when she got hired as the part
of Vivian Vance, there was a

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tension again. But she said upon
upon getting the part, she said,

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I'm gonna learn to love that bitch. So and she did. She did,

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and I and I think by then
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so she was going back and forth
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to shoot in la and that was
also causing strain. By that for the

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00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.039
new series that was done in the
sixties, that also caused strains. So

409
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:44.200
she's she kind of as the seasons
wore on on that show, she was

410
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:48.079
in fewer and fewer episodes until they
had kind of a falling out over a

411
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.559
disagreement that really was more a miscommunication
between their agents, I think over that,

412
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.920
and it basically got communicated to Lucille
Ball that Vivian basically wanted to be

413
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.720
her equal on the show. But
that's not what she was asking for.

414
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:04.640
She just wanted a little bit more
power, I guess, and for for

415
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.720
what she was going through to be
able to still do the show. And

416
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.720
they had a falling out over it, and then eventually they reconciled light years

417
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.759
later and she started doing guest appearances
on it again. But yeah, just

418
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.599
anytime I've been in this situation myself, especially in this business, you have

419
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:25.640
big personalities and their heads, but
it just happens. Yeah. But you

420
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:30.119
know, but also and understandably so, because actors are you know, there's

421
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.440
well there's with any project like this, if it's high profile, there's there's

422
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.720
ego involved. And if you're renegotiating
something else, you're like, it's not

423
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.920
gonna happen anymore. You know,
we're gonna do things differently this time.

424
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:44.119
I should get a piece of it
right. And I get that too.

425
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.680
If you're gonna renegotiate a whole new
thing, or negotiate a whole a whole

426
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.880
new project. Then you know,
and you know you're worth this time before

427
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.000
you were, but now you do, and you're like, look, you

428
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:59.720
know, I bit my I bit
my tongue for years because I was locked

429
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:03.079
into a contract and I know what
I agreed to. But now did I

430
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:06.599
get to set reset things? I
don't want to do it this way anymore,

431
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:10.519
so yeah, I'll get it.
And I guess when when Lucy and

432
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:12.720
Mary Wicks, who was one of
those actresses they showed up in I Love

433
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:17.920
Lucy many times. Most people nowadays
know her. She was the nun and

434
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:21.960
sister act sister Mary Clarence or something
like the big one with the nose.

435
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:26.960
You know, she had thousand episodes
of every show. And she and Mary

436
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:33.400
Wis went to a visit Vivian Vance
one last time when she was on her

437
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.559
literally on her deathbad back in nineteen
seventy nine, and said that I guess

438
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.519
viv was out of it, but
when she walked in, her eyes lit

439
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:47.440
up and and and uh and they
hugged and kissed and profess their love for

440
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.839
each other. And then Mary Wicks
said that Lucy cried the entire way home.

441
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:55.880
Uh so they are. But but
yeah, rest in peace, Vivian

442
00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:02.079
Vance. Vivian Bagley on the on
The Lucy Show at Murtz ethel May Potter

443
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:10.000
we never forgot her. Yeah,
um so to her her her screen husband

444
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:14.880
William Frawley, who played Fred Murtz, he had a real problem with with

445
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.960
drink and and as I understand it, when they signed the contract, would

446
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.720
he asked Desi Arnez asked him to
be on the show. Uh, he

447
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.400
said, if you ever missed work, you are show up late because you're

448
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:29.920
drinking. Yeah, you know you're
out. And also but he also had

449
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:33.759
it in his contract that he would
be able to have days off in the

450
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.319
Dodger Games. When the Dodgers played, he would he would be able to

451
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.039
take those days off. So but
yeah, he had a real drinking problem.

452
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:44.960
You could see it on the show
quite often. Where you look at

453
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.880
him, you can see he had
the shakes in a big way. Uh.

454
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.920
And uh, that's that's quite obvious
at times that he had a problem.

455
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.759
When he died, he was well, he was living at the l

456
00:30:55.880 --> 00:31:00.319
Royal over on Vine Street. Uh, just passed May West to place well

457
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:07.319
interested kind of Rossmore, Rossmore kind
of becomes yeahs behind yeah, yeah,

458
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.880
and that's where like Peter Dinklage lives
in there, and He'll Houser lived in

459
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.680
there, and Draft lived in there. Nicholas Cage lived in there, so

460
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.519
it's a really it's a high end
place. But Frawley was living there.

461
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:23.759
But when Fraley died on Hollywood Boulevard, they dragged him into the Knickerbocker hotel

462
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.640
lobby where he was pretty much dead. And he lived in the Knickerbocker for

463
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:32.359
many years, but he moved out, so it's just kind of interesting this

464
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.839
end there. So he died on
March third, nineteen sixty six. He

465
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:40.000
was seventy nine of a heart attack, and he was out on the street

466
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.599
near the Knickerbocker and they took him
into the lobbies. That yeah, he

467
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:48.200
was He saw a movie at the
Vine Street Theater and he was with his

468
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.599
male nurse. For some reason,
they mentioned that all the time a male

469
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:56.599
nurse. But he had been ill
for a while and supposedly required a full

470
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.920
time male nurse. Yet he's still
could walk to the bus stop and take

471
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.519
the bus from the movie theater.
Yeah, but they say that he was

472
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:06.720
walking into the bus stopping and he
dropped out of a heart attack, and

473
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.240
they dragged him into the knickerbocker and
tried to resuscitate him. Paramedics showed up

474
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:15.160
and it was unsuccessful. They actually
took him to the Hollywood Receiving Hospital,

475
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:21.359
which is on Wilcox at Fountain,
which is now a police station, but

476
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:24.559
that's where the old hospital was,
okay, and that's where he was.

477
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:32.519
He was pronounced of myocardial myocardial insufficiency, basically just a heart attack and uh

478
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:37.400
and yeah, and he when he
died. Uh And apparently this is something

479
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.680
I didn't know. But jumping back
to when he was hired, I heard

480
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:46.160
that Lucy originally wanted Gail Gordon to
be that part who ended up being mister

481
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:51.960
Mooney and every other Lucy incarnation Gail
gordons as in it, but Gail Gordon

482
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.720
couldn't do I love Lucy, and
that's why they got Frawley, which is

483
00:32:54.759 --> 00:33:00.559
just an interesting aside. But um, but when he died, Desi Arnst

484
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:05.680
took out a full page ad in
the Hollywood Reporter and said Buenos no chase

485
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:12.799
amigo on it, which I thought
was and Desi was supposedly a pall bearer

486
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.039
at the funeral. Very interesting.
He was at the Calendan Mortuary, which

487
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:22.920
is the same people that did d
Wood and bout a Legosi over Avar by

488
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.920
the Pantages and peg On Twistle that
jumped off the Hollywood Sign. They were

489
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.240
all done at the CAA Calendan Mortuary
and he's buried up at San Fernando Mission

490
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:38.240
Cemetery a little bit north of Los
Angeles. So in his last cameo,

491
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:44.039
I don't know if you saw that
the Lucy Show where he's in it actually

492
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.160
where he plays a horse trainer and
they're walking through a stable and they talked

493
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:51.319
a couple of lines and then she
says, do you look kind of familiar?

494
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:55.880
And then that was I guess.
Probley's last appearance was so just kind

495
00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:02.440
of a cool little uh nod acknowledgement, giving the fans something because it's a

496
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:06.880
real sentimental thing and probably probably wasn't
the easiest person to get along with,

497
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:12.400
so it was nice for the fans
to see that one last time. Rest

498
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:17.880
in peace. William Frawley so Ricky
Ricardo was Lucille Ball's husband in real life.

499
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:23.079
Desi Arnez. And one thing I
read that I thought was interesting or

500
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:27.400
funny was that they would crack each
other up a lot, you know,

501
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.199
doing the scenes. Of course,
they were professionals, so they normally wouldn't

502
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.159
break, but sometimes they would.
And you can reportedly see this in the

503
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.480
show. Sometimes certain episodes you can
see them kind of break a little bit.

504
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:42.960
And you can also hear there's scenes
where Lucy where Desi isn't on screen,

505
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.519
but Lucille is, you can see
you can sometimes hear him laugh camera

506
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:52.400
at what he's seeing, because she
would her antics were so hilarious he couldn't

507
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.440
keep it in, you know,
which I think is awesome. I've done

508
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:59.079
that on some of my documentaries.
I've done that myself. I know a

509
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.159
few areas where I can hear myself
laugh, and I know only I know,

510
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.360
but I can I hear my hear
a little laugh come out of me.

511
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:08.000
Yeah. He was a little bit
more of a free spirit than than

512
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:13.320
Lucille Ball was, and that was
his down ball too. But but you

513
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:19.440
you know, they were they were
really serious business people, serious business people.

514
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.400
By owning the show, they gave
them they got they got a chance

515
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.519
to own a studio and Lucy you
know, was able to head his studio

516
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:30.320
after they divorced, So you know, it was changing the way television was

517
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:35.519
made, how situation comedies were made. I mean they were they were really

518
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:39.440
important business people in Hollywood and at
a time when you know, just be

519
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:45.880
nice and do your show right,
they bought a studio. Yeah, Lucille

520
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.400
Ball was the first woman to head
a TV production company, and after they

521
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.159
divorced, she bought out his share
of it and hadn't had it all for

522
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:57.599
herself. Yeah, and together,
I mean they they also produced the Untouchables

523
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.480
series. Star Trek is because of
them, um, the Mission Impossible TV

524
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:06.519
series, and one of our Patreon
supporters, I'm going to do a little

525
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.880
plug here, Um, Sarah recommended
on Patreon that we do a Mission Impossible

526
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.000
TV show episode one of these days. So maybe it was that that's probably

527
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:16.920
something we'll do also. Um,
But a lot of people don't really may

528
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:21.880
not realize that that, uh,
that they It wasn't just the shows that

529
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:27.159
they were in. They were responsible
for some pretty big uh series and other

530
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:34.039
projects with their company. When eventually
she went to bat for Star Trek.

531
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.440
You know, they were they were
like science fiction TV sh are you nuts?

532
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.039
Lucy went, now, we're gonna
do this, so she was.

533
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:43.960
She went to bat for it.
That was Lucy is responsible for Star Trek.

534
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:50.000
I love that, yep. So
after Desi had his own demons,

535
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.199
um he was. Uh. They
nearly got divorced in nineteen forty four.

536
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:57.679
Lucky for TV fans, they didn't
go through with it, but they did

537
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:02.280
eventually divorce in nineteen sixty and Lucy
Lucille Ball described being married to Arnaz as

538
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.920
a nightmare. Um that you know, he would disappear for days at a

539
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.480
time, and she would become a
recluse because she didn't want to go out

540
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:13.960
and have to face like where's DESI
questions? You know, and he was

541
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:15.920
you know, she was always convinced
that he was fooling around, which where

542
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.599
well may have been if he's disappearing. Um. But then after they got

543
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.199
divorced, they stayed good friends.
They were good as friends, I'm not

544
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:27.800
good as married couple. They were, I mean she when they were,

545
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.920
I mean it was to say it
was rocky is an understatement. I mean

546
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.519
she took a hammer to his head
once. You know, she threw a

547
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:38.239
hammer, well you know, because
you know, because that story about him

548
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:42.000
being unfaithful to her, and he
said later on, he goes, well,

549
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.559
these people, these women were hookers. They didn't mean anything. She's

550
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.760
the one I love. But they
get into fights and then he get drunk

551
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:51.360
and then he go, you know, do his thing, and but she

552
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.639
when it got out. One time, it was in the Hollywood Confidential that

553
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.920
this womanizing and she threw a hammer
at his head and hit him and he

554
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.880
was knocked out. And then they
worked it in that that he had fallen

555
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:07.199
and hit a ladder or something like
that. But it would have been easy

556
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:14.559
to be, to be mister Lucy. And that was what he was always

557
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:20.760
going to be, never mind the
fact that he was this intelligent businessman who

558
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.800
made these smart decisions, but he
was always going to be mister Lucy.

559
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:29.840
And Um and he and he never
felt he'd never in fact, is um

560
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:36.599
when she was being she he died
when the day or two before Lucy was

561
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.400
going to get the Kennedy Center on
her. And he said that, uh,

562
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:44.760
he said his quote because when he
died, it was Lucy got the

563
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.880
award a couple of days later.
So Robert Stack read something that the DESI

564
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.840
wrote for Lucy and she said,
Lucy was the show. Viv Fred and

565
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.079
I he's called him Fred too now
William, But he said, uh,

566
00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:00.239
Lucy was the show. Viv Fred
and I were just props and I love

567
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.079
Lucy was never just a title and
I thought that was he was. He

568
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.719
never took that away from her.
He was. He was a disaster as

569
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.400
a human being personally, you know, being that you know Booze and it

570
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:14.119
was clear at the end of it
that you know, you can look at

571
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.280
him and see what the toll it
took on his body. Uh, you

572
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:22.119
know. Later on he produced a
TV show called The Mothers in Law with

573
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:28.159
Eve Arden and Kay Ballard and then
their husbands I don't know, two gay

574
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.039
actors that could not be more gay, and then one of them putting.

575
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:34.800
Then Richard Deak and the other gay
actor took over. But but and Desi

576
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.760
showed up on one or two of
those episodes. But he he was the

577
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.119
producer of The Mothers in Law,
which was another fun sort of sixties early

578
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:45.320
seventies TV show that that Desi showed
up on. But uh, but after

579
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:49.639
that he sort of he just went
into the to the background. He got

580
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:54.039
married again. He was living in
del Mar with his wife Edy right on

581
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:58.960
the beach. Yeah. Beautiful house. Beautiful house, yeah, really cool

582
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.679
little beach house. And del Are
Yeah. And he was into horse racing,

583
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:07.360
uh and del Mar Racetrack has uh
the I think the Desi Arnaz Stakes

584
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.840
kind of in his honor. Um. I don't know if that's still happening,

585
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:13.960
but they did have it. And
he was big into horse racing and

586
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:19.800
he bred race horses and that was
he kind of semi retired. I think

587
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:22.920
after to some extent he did he
still did some projects, but never at

588
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:27.480
the level that Lucy went on to
do in the sixties and beyond. And

589
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.800
then, um, you know,
I think to Lucy's Lucille Ball's uh,

590
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:32.920
you know, personal detriment. Even
though he was horrible, he was horrible

591
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:36.960
to be married too. She was
you know, in love with him.

592
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:42.880
And after they divorced, she remarried. She married a producer named Gary Morton,

593
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.079
and I think after Lucy died,
Gary Morton said something to the effect

594
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:49.360
of, you know, Lucy's finally
has what she wanted. She's together with

595
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.960
DESI again. I think that's what
team clear. Yeah, they could never

596
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.440
I mean she I think that you
know, there's always that one love that

597
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.599
you'll never get over, I think, And and something so public that that

598
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.639
they were you know, people loved
them so much together. Um, that

599
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:07.559
was a When they were divorcing,
that was a big deal. That was

600
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:12.320
really scandalous. It was like when
Sonny and Shared were divorced. You know,

601
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.079
although their show was over with I
Love Lucy, h it was.

602
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:21.199
It was really scandalous back then.
And you could never meet Lucy without saying,

603
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:23.599
where's Ricky? And and since they
were married in real life, it

604
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.360
had to have been hard to be
Gary Morton because he was even a worse

605
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.000
mystery. In fact, in Warhol's
diary, Andy Warhol, he saw Gary

606
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:35.320
Morton showed up at the studio fifty
four and uh, and somebody wasn't gonna

607
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.519
they were't gonna let him in,
and and he said, you gotta let

608
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:44.039
him. And that's mister Lucy.
Oh, and you're still and and he's

609
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:45.760
living in there's still living in the
house, which we'll talk about in a

610
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:50.400
bit. There's still living in the
house in Beverly Hills that Lucy and Desi

611
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.400
lived in. So you're not only
married to this guy's ex wife, but

612
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.920
you're living in their house. That's
gotta be weird. That's gotta be a

613
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.400
weird And she's clearly still hung up
on him. Yeah yeah that And and

614
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.519
as I understand it, she visited
him, you know, in his last

615
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.679
days, and and uh and and
somebody I don't know if this is true

616
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.360
or now, but somebody told me
that she moved him into the house on

617
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:17.920
Roxbury Drive at the end so she
could sort of look over his after his

618
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.559
because he because he remarried and his
ex his new wife then passed away.

619
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:27.239
Someone wrote you on your findal death
page and said had said that they heard

620
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:31.599
that after his second wife died he
briefly or something like that, he briefly

621
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:36.039
moved into the guesthouse. And how
you know, Gary Morton must have loved

622
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.039
that if that happened. You know, but Lucy had those two kids with

623
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:45.000
with with Desi Arnash, so uh
you know they had a they they yeah,

624
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.760
yeah, I mean those kids on
their own or a story man.

625
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:53.920
They they they are you know,
they're there's something. It's weird. And

626
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:59.000
and because everyone wants to think that
Lucy is a sad, smiling, lapping

627
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:05.400
clowning lady, would she was a
really serious competitive uh lady. She she

628
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:07.440
was Noble's bart. She said that
she, you know, her kids could

629
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:12.199
talk to her about anything, But
I don't think so. I don't she

630
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.800
spoke that. But I don't think
she was that way, because there's all

631
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.800
sorts of stories about her kids sort
of rebelling and uh and having real issues

632
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:27.039
with with with her. Hollywood is
full of stories about the kids of famous

633
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:30.159
people growing up messed up because they
grew up in the shadow, and they

634
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:35.920
also grew up with all oftentimes absentee
parents who were busy with their demanding schedules

635
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:37.760
and aren't around to raise them,
and it's just you end up with the

636
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:42.679
lots of messed up celebrity kids as
a result of that. And Desi Junior

637
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.400
grew up to be uh, you
know, he turned into a teen heartthrob

638
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.559
in the seventies and dated some famous
people and I think he dated Elizam and

639
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:54.440
Ellie for a time. Um.
And I read that Lucy Um commented on

640
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:58.599
that that she after they after he
broke up with her and moved on to

641
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:02.639
someone else. Lucy's something about how
she missed Liza, but Liza could not

642
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.679
be domesticated something like that. That's
funny. Well there was you know,

643
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:12.360
she wanted her kids to grow up
and to be professionals on their own.

644
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.639
But then Desi Junior was in the
band Dino, Desi and Billy and got

645
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:17.519
huge. She goes, well,
there was that, you know, all

646
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:21.920
of a sudden, he popped car
with his own money. But he was

647
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:27.880
dating Patty Duke for a while and
Patty Duke and he uh Lucy did not

648
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.119
approve. And I don't know,
maybe it was at the peak of Patty

649
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:36.599
do exceptance abuse or something. But
also Desi was not eighteen yet, he

650
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:40.440
was only he was only seventeen,
and they wanted she wanted him done,

651
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:45.559
so she really forced them to break
up, and she was gonna She threatened

652
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:50.559
to Patty Duke that she was gonna
get her per statutory rape since Desi was

653
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:54.239
only seventeen years old. Now,
the rumor is that, you know,

654
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:59.679
very shortly afterwards, Patty Duke became
pregnant, and she became pregnant with Sean

655
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.559
and Aston, who is now Sean. And if you look at Sean Aston

656
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:07.119
and you put his face next to
Desi Arnez Junior, it's like, okay,

657
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.159
now Desire and his junior dark features. You know, he's dark eyes,

658
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:14.400
dark hair, and Shaun Aston is
more fair haired, but so is

659
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:16.800
Patty Duke. But if you put
him side to side. There's always been

660
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:23.719
this rumor that Shaun Aston is actually
Desirez Junior's son, and later on it

661
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.960
came out they said that Shaun Aston
said it was actually a rock and roll

662
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:32.000
Um yeah, producer that was his
father or something like that. But yeah,

663
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.800
it's like it's like Ronan Pharaoh.
You know, you look at him

664
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.199
and put him up to the next
doctor's picture and it's like it's like you're

665
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:43.800
looking at your image. Yeah,
so I know, I mean legally,

666
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.719
you know, maybe they, but
I if you hold up Shaun Aston's picture

667
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:52.440
Patty Duke's son, which works out
timeline wise to Desi Ernz Junior and uh

668
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:57.960
yeah, but Lucy did not approve. Did not approve. And it's kind

669
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.559
of ironic because, um, when
I was skimming her Wikipedia page, so

670
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:07.639
I take I take this to be
true that m Lucy herself when she was

671
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:14.599
fourteen, uh started dating a twenty
one year old quote unquote hoodlum. It

672
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:16.440
was only a fourteen year old dating
a twenty one year old, and Lucy's

673
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:21.079
mother did not approve, and that's
why Lucy got into acting. Her mom,

674
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:25.880
even though they had limited funds,
got Lucy into an acting school to

675
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.360
try and get her because she knew
that Lucy was interested in entertainment, just

676
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:31.960
to try to lure her away from
this guy that she was, the older

677
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:36.280
guy that she was dating. And
it worked, and that's how Lucy became

678
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:38.360
an actress. So it's kind of
ironic. Uh, and uh that that

679
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:42.360
she then ended up having the same
issue with her own kid, Yeah,

680
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:50.079
over that itself. Yeah. Uh
So Desi Arnez passed away on December second,

681
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:52.480
nineteen eighty six. He was sixty
nine from lung cancer. And I

682
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:57.760
mean he just lived hard and smoked
a lot smoked cigars, I think a

683
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:01.199
lot. And uh and it caught
up with them. I guess sure did.

684
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:06.239
Yeah. So Lucy, Lucy and
Desi Arnez, you know, took

685
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.159
the profit to I Love Lucy.
They they filmed it for two years at

686
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.280
at the Lust Palm, I don't
know what they call it now, but

687
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.960
it was Les Palmis and uh and
Santa Monica Boulevard Dad's studio, and then

688
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:21.440
they took the profits to My Love. Then they moved over to Red Studios

689
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.840
that went on Coca and that's in
fact, there's that. There's that picture

690
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:29.480
of the audience lining up to see
I Love Lucy, and it says on

691
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.400
the side of it, there's a
sign in the brackets still there that says

692
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:36.360
the Desilu Playhouse, and it has
the audience lining up to see this taping

693
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.239
of this filming of I Love Lucy. And if you look really closely at

694
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:45.880
this image of the audience lining up
on the side of the studio or actually

695
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:52.239
a couple of lights outdoor ceiling,
you know what I mean, like mounted

696
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.599
on the side of the building.
Well, one of those days when I

697
00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:00.320
was walking by, it was hanging
on a wire, literally a single goal

698
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.679
wire, and I and I and
I poked it and it magically floated down

699
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:15.880
to gosh and actually landers Keepers,
this is it. So fred Studios is

700
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.159
looking for their old light. It
was, I mean, I look at

701
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:28.280
these duds, are broken wires fell
to the ground and field whatever. But

702
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.440
this was yeah, this shows up
from that old picture too. And I

703
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:34.960
have a lot of stuff here from
her last house too, But anyway,

704
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:39.079
we're gonna get into all that.
So they moved I Love Lucy too after

705
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.880
two years to Red Studios which is
on Kawanga, and then they took the

706
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:47.199
profits of My L Lucy and bought
r KO Studios and it became Desilu And

707
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:51.400
they also had an office over in
Culver City near the Box a lot too

708
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.239
or by the MGM I thing.
But but yeah, they were they.

709
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:59.280
I mean, they bought a studio. That's that's that's so cool, and

710
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:04.000
now it's all wants the paramount,
as does I Love Lucy and all the

711
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:08.679
other shows that they mission impossible.
And famously, when they negotiated their deal,

712
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:12.960
they got the replay rights to the
show, which at the time that

713
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:16.920
the studios and networks did not realize
had any value because there was no such

714
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:22.920
thing as as replays and reairs.
And then a few years later they realized

715
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:29.000
that what they'd given them and they
bought it back from them for a large

716
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:30.400
pile of money. They got their
rights back. But yeah, so they

717
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:35.360
very wisely had the rerun rights for
a time, back before there was such

718
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.880
a thing as runs. In fact, there's that famous moment and back to

719
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.719
the future, remember where he's watching
TV where they're all watching TV. He's

720
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:44.480
back in the fifties and Marty says, Oh, I think I saw this

721
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:49.920
a rerun, and again Dad looks, what's a rerun? Yeah. I

722
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.760
don't know if it's true, but
I read that that they weren't going to

723
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:58.559
film it for posterity at first,
but they Lucy decided to keep it as

724
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.760
like home movies. I don't know
that necessarily true because they didn't have any

725
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:07.079
kids at that point, but right, that's what they say. So they

726
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.760
were who are they? No,
I don't know, but so that was

727
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:15.639
Desi arnez rest in peace Desi,
and that leaves um, you know,

728
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:22.159
the Lucy herself, Lucille Ball the
Great comedian, and I watched I watched

729
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.519
an old episode of Lila Lucy and
prep for this show. I watched one

730
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:31.000
of the early early episodes from the
first season where Lucy is she's reading a

731
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:36.320
crime book, she's getting wrapped up
in it, and then she becomes convinced

732
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.559
that Desi is trying to kill her, and it is. It's so it

733
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:44.400
just reminds you of how funny the
show is. There's a scene where she's

734
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.559
strapped pants to herself to keep him
from being able to shoot her, and

735
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:51.639
they're in the room to get there
and I think the kitchen together and she's

736
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.280
Bob and weaven like a like a
boxer while they're talking, and he's kind

737
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:59.599
of like, what are you doing? And she's she's so physically so funny.

738
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:02.320
And to to watch it, you
know, sixty some years later and

739
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.519
it's still it's still I guess,
yeah, seventy years later now it's the

740
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:12.480
seventieth anniversary now of the year when
the show premiered. It's it's really it's

741
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.480
hilarious. It's it's great when comedy
carries over and holds up like that.

742
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.559
And I Love Lucy is definitely one
of those shows that holds up. I

743
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:23.039
think, yeah, yeah, it's
it's it's the formula that they've used for

744
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:29.320
probably for many many shows. But
but yeah, and and Lucy herself,

745
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.320
I mean that was a character Lucy. You know, Lucile Ball was not

746
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:37.039
Lucy in real life, but every
every every part she played on every Lucy

747
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:40.320
show. Life with Lucy I Love
you know, it was always the Lucy

748
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:45.679
character, but it was far far
from the real Lucio Ball most definitely.

749
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:49.159
But she was good at it.
She was really good at it. And

750
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:53.519
they compare La Gilda Radner to her
they compare. I'm trying to think of

751
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:59.480
some other people that they have that
physical ability physical comics, you know,

752
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.440
and to that point, she to
that point, she was a fan of

753
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.599
Threese Company. And one of her
last one of the late things she filmed,

754
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.320
you know, for a few years
before her death, was a Threese

755
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:15.159
Company kind of retrospective special that they
did that she kind of hosted and walked

756
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:19.559
fans through some of the best moments
from Threeze Company. And she reported it

757
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.360
was a big fan of it,
and you can see why. It was

758
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.360
very, very similar to her her
style of comedy that her show was,

759
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:29.760
you know, twenty thirty years earlier. Wow, I didn't know that.

760
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:35.159
That's fascinating. Lucy watched the Company. I could see it though. I

761
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.199
mean, it's very It's her and
Jack, I think had a lot of

762
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:44.920
the Jack character had a lot in
common that physical comedy and constantly getting into

763
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.360
jams. And yeah, I can
totally see how she would have liked it.

764
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:51.960
But she was you know, she
would always say, she'd say that

765
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:55.400
she's not funny in real life.
You know, she always said that I'm

766
00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:01.400
funny on paper, but I am
you know, My part is to be

767
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:05.719
that way. But you know,
but I'm not funny in real life.

768
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:09.519
Although she had an edge to her
definitely. There was something that I read

769
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:15.360
when when Lucy died. You know, this supposedly autobiography was locked away in

770
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:20.880
this closet and Lucy Arnaz, her
daughter, found it and publish it and

771
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.400
the story which which I took away
from it, which is something I've repeated

772
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:29.920
many times and I maybe even said
it on one of our podcasts, but

773
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:36.239
one of the Lucy's favorite things to
do. She said that sometimes there'd be

774
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:38.840
a dinner party and after dinner they'd
be standing around having cocktails and cigarettes and

775
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:44.679
somebody would inevitably, inevitably go and
use the restroom. So on that person's

776
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.760
return to the party, Lucy that
this person would be walking in and Lucy

777
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:51.599
would turn to the person to her
left and say, well, there she

778
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:57.800
is, now tell her to her
face. So she definitely had an edge

779
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:02.920
to her. That's hilarious, but
uh and and to kind of to that

780
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.159
point, she also liked to say
tell people that because I think she had

781
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:10.679
some she was involved in some comedy
classes and stuff like that, and she

782
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.880
acting classes, and she said,
you know, you can't learn comedy.

783
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.800
You either have it or you don't. And I think the large extent that's

784
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:21.800
true. You're either funny or you
aren't. But and also, you know,

785
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:23.840
comedy as a craft, acting as
a craft, comedy writing as a

786
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:28.039
craft. There's a lot of people
out there who are funny but can't write

787
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.519
comedy. They're funny to be around, but they can't do comedy. They

788
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:35.039
can't do stand up, they can't
write a hit comedy movie, you know

789
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.239
what I mean. So it's it
is, Um yeah, you can't teach

790
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.800
funny, um, but you can
learn the craft if you are funny of

791
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:47.320
developing that into being a professional comedian
or comedic actor like she was. Um

792
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:52.280
So that's yeah, that's really interesting. Um So, when we've already kind

793
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:54.280
of said a lot about her career, at least what she accomplished in all

794
00:54:54.320 --> 00:55:00.400
the other shows that she produced and
was responsible four, and how successful she

795
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:05.159
was as a businessperson. Um,
it is a little weird to watch her

796
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.039
shows in the sixties that are in
color after they're getting to know her so

797
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:13.960
well in black and white, and
she they relocated her character while the Lucy

798
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:19.559
Carmichael character to Hollywood. Thus it
became like a parade of guest stars,

799
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:23.199
you know, and it was like
every episode there was somebody famous that you

800
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:27.480
know. Joan Crawford was on one, and Toolula Bankhead was on one,

801
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.079
and John Lane was on one,
and there was one a very famous one

802
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:35.400
with Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor where
you know they should Elizabeth Taylor, I

803
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:40.400
had this like some ridiculous like sixty
five carrot diamond ring and brought it like,

804
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:44.400
you know, I think it's literally
this can't She could only take it

805
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:46.079
out of the vault like once every
five years to wear it. I mean

806
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:49.679
it was a real It was a
real diamond. And they used it on

807
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:53.639
the show with Richard Burton and Elizabeth
Taylor and it fell off of no,

808
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.000
yeah, it fell off. She
took it off to wash her hands,

809
00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:00.480
Elizabeth Taylor and Lucy put it on, couldn't get it off and premise of

810
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:06.159
the show. So anyway, Richard
Burton writes this in his in his diaries,

811
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.000
and I'm going to read this to
you, and it's a real insight.

812
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:13.000
Now. Burton was was an alcoholic, you know, and in a

813
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.800
very pretentious and very opinionated and they
were at the top of the Liz and

814
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:20.400
Dick fame thing too. You know
what I mean? They were they were

815
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:24.079
Everyone was fascinated with these two people. So this is what he has to

816
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:30.280
say about Lucy. Okay, Now, those who uh, those who have

817
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:34.679
told us that Lucille Ball was very
wearing, were not exaggerating. She is

818
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:40.079
a monster of staggering charmlessness and monumental
lack of humor. She is not wearing

819
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:45.000
to us because I suppose we refuse
to be worn. I am coldly sarcastic

820
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:49.360
with her, to the point of
outright contempt. But she hears only what

821
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:53.320
she wants to hear, nineteen solid
years of double takes and pratfalls, and

822
00:56:53.400 --> 00:57:00.280
despite upstaging and cutting other people's laughs, if she can nervously watching the rays

823
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.880
as she does so. A machine
of enormous energy, which driven by a

824
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.679
stupid driver who has forgotten that a
machine runs on oil as well as gasoline,

825
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:14.440
and who has neglected the former,
is creaking badly towards a final convulsive

826
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:19.360
seize up. I loathed her that
first day, I loathed her the second

827
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.679
and the third. I loathe her
today, but now I also pity her.

828
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:27.039
After tonight, I shall make a
point of never seeing her again.

829
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:31.159
We work, or have worked until
today, which is the last, thank

830
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:37.840
God, from ten am to somewhere
around five pm. And Milady Milady Balls

831
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.559
can thank her lucky stars that I
am not drinking. There's a chance that

832
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:44.880
I might have killed her. Jack
Benny, the most amiable man in the

833
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:47.960
world and one of the truly great
comedians of our time, said that in

834
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:54.079
four days she reduced his life expectancy
by ten years. The impactably professional Joan

835
00:57:54.159 --> 00:58:00.880
Crawford was so inhibited by his bonnoth
of selfishness that she got herself stupendously crocked

836
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:05.920
for the entire show and virtually had
to be helped to her feet and managed

837
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.000
not without some satisfaction. I dare
say, to bug her up the whole

838
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:14.800
show. And Joan Rivers was Joe
cropperd supposedly said, you know, and

839
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:21.760
they think I'm a bitch. So
that is scathing and I'm sure, you

840
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:27.599
know, exaggerated considerably, but very
elequantly well thought out and you know,

841
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:32.480
and one person's perspective, but it
also is um you know, backed up

842
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:40.960
by some would you know, say, facts, very gross grossly uh you

843
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.320
know, just yeah, fashion.
I couldn't. I was like my eyes

844
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.599
are bugged out of my head reading. Oh god, I kind of wandered

845
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.920
too though. You know, anytime
there's criticism of someone like her from her

846
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.039
era, how much sexism is it? Was involved in that? And would

847
00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:59.800
they think feel that way if it
was a male, a man doing what

848
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:02.360
she did? Ye, lazing the
trail. She had to be who she

849
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:07.320
was in order to survive in the
do what she did basically, and the

850
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:13.039
fruits of that are or self evident, you know what she accomplished. Yeah,

851
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:16.039
I can kind of see both sides
of it. She said that women's

852
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:19.400
lives talking about women's lib. You
know, she'd been doing this. She

853
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.239
owned a studio for God's sake,
you know, women's lib. Oh,

854
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:28.079
I'm afraid it doesn't interest me one
bit. I've been so liberated it hurts.

855
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:31.880
Right. So she had she knew
what work she was proto. She

856
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:37.440
was proto women's lib. She was
precursor to it. Yeah, she knew

857
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.840
what work and in any in any
capacity except for the very last life with

858
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:46.119
Lucy, in every capacity she succeeded
in being that character. Really and uh

859
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:52.559
and her well, it treated her
well. Um. So she passed away

860
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:57.800
on April twenty sixth, nineteen eighty
nine, at seventy seven. So she

861
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:01.039
was the last of the main cast
to pass away. Desi had passed away

862
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:06.039
three years earlier. And um,
she was seventy seven, and she died

863
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:09.599
from an abdominal aortic aneurysm. She
had had. She'd been hospitalized, I

864
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:14.800
believe, for some heart problems leading
up to that UM and then had been

865
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:19.480
released and then and then had severe
she woke up a severe back pain,

866
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:23.280
which is one of the symptoms of
abdominal air ortogandriism, and was died at

867
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:27.320
the hospital. Was declared dead at
the hospital. Yeah, she she was

868
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:31.559
in the hospital for about eight or
nine days. She had she had chest

869
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:36.199
pains and they you know, a
doctor came and to go now and within

870
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.199
a couple hours, right, and
a table for like eight hours and uh

871
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:45.679
and um and and they gave her
an a order from a guy twenty seven

872
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:51.880
year old motorcycle accident fatality is where
she got it from this this valve.

873
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:55.079
And and she was recuperating, you
know, she was up and she was

874
01:00:55.119 --> 01:01:00.719
walking around her hospital room and everything, and of course the world was morning

875
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.599
that morning. But worried. I
remember Jerry's Delly was across the street from

876
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.599
Cedars and her room overlooked it,
and they had a big sign, get

877
01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:14.000
well Lucy, I painted on the
roof of that. And then uh,

878
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:16.119
the hard Rock Cafe, which was
down in the corner, had a big

879
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:21.199
sign, get well Lucy. They
had a scroll. I don't know whatever

880
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:23.880
happened to this thing, but it
was like an entire block of Hollywood Boulevard

881
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:28.519
where people were signing get well wishes
to Lucy. I mean it was a

882
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:32.519
you know, it was She's a
big deal and uh and um. But

883
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:37.000
anyway, she she ended up collapsing
at the hospital and died suddenly, so

884
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:40.159
that you know, that was that
was a surprise. They she was on

885
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:44.920
the mend and uh, and everyone
thought she'd be out in no time,

886
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:49.880
but no time happened rather quickly and
uh, and that's what she had.

887
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.440
And I think and I think doctors
claimed that her her aneurysm that she died,

888
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:57.000
her aircanyism she had was unrelated to
the surgery. I don't know if

889
01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:00.599
that's I don't know if that's true
or not. But it was days apart,

890
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:04.599
so I don't know. A life
a time of smoking non builter cigarettes

891
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:09.440
her teeth. It's nice though,
that all those nice outpouring of support happened,

892
01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:13.199
because supposedly she was a bit bitter
kind of in the last years of

893
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:15.679
her life and it didn't help that. You know, DESI died in eighty

894
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:19.480
six, and I think that was
the same year she attempted a comeback show

895
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:22.760
that got canceled after a couple of
months, so she had she got hit

896
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:25.000
pretty hard, pretty brutal. That
show was terrible, and yeah, she

897
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:30.480
didn't recuperate from that when life with
Lucy was was just horrendous and it was

898
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:32.679
a real shame. It's a real
shame. But she was you know,

899
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:37.320
she was in her upper seventies at
that point, and she just did televish,

900
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.719
moved on, and she was still
being that character. She was still

901
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:45.000
portraying that character. We've mentioned this
before on the show once or twice,

902
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:51.239
but her last public appearance was at
the Academy Awards with Bob Hope just about

903
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.679
four weeks before she passed away.
They came out and I think presented an

904
01:02:54.719 --> 01:03:00.320
award together or something, introduced something. Yeah, it was yeah, and

905
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:01.679
she looked great. She really,
I mean, you know, a lifetime

906
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:06.519
of smoking was clear, but but
she had su stressed and it was cut

907
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:08.679
up to her, you know,
to her her thigh, and she looked

908
01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:14.280
amazing and and it was a nice
way to go out being uh, you

909
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:19.679
know, being greeted that that lovingly
by the audience with Bob Hope. And

910
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:22.920
but I don't think kind of like
it's kind of like Chaplain, kind of

911
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:25.840
like Chaplin coming back towards the end
of his life at the Academy Awards and

912
01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:30.199
getting the Standing Ovation. Yeah.
Yeah, but she was, Yeah,

913
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:37.280
so she was. She was cremated
and she was placed in a niche with

914
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:43.360
her mother at Forest on Hollywood Hills
and the Columbarium of Radiant Dawn. And

915
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:46.039
I know that at the top my
head of reading that I used to go

916
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:52.440
there. And then but then her
kids bid for her house in Jamestown,

917
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.079
New York, where she grew up
on eBay. I guess the house was

918
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:58.960
on eBay and they bought it within
you know, some sort of investors,

919
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:03.079
and now there's a Lucy Museum in
Jamestown. So, against her mother's wishes,

920
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:08.679
uh, their mother's wishes, they
had Lucy and her mother exhumed from

921
01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:12.760
Fort Lawn, the place where they
chose to be to now she's a tourist

922
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.840
attraction in Jamesown, Jamestown, New
York, which you know, that's just

923
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:19.599
just the way it is. But
um, yeah, but yeah, Lucy,

924
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:26.280
Lucy herself chose where her final resting
place would be and uh and uh

925
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:30.760
it was not to be but you
know her her supposedly, but now I

926
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.000
find it. There was another story
that I that I heard about Lucy.

927
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:38.280
Um, you know Kay, you
know who Kay Ballard was. Um,

928
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:41.679
it sounds very familiar. She was
the star of the Mothers in Law,

929
01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:45.760
that show that DESI produced, and
she was an old you know, old

930
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:49.480
pro comic stand up stuff. She
was an amazing singer, and she's a

931
01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:54.440
she's a lesbian. I mean,
Lucy hung around with a lot of lesbians

932
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:59.559
and uh and uh, but Kay
Ballard was was you know, very there's

933
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:01.199
a rele to that. And I
don't know what it is my bringing out

934
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:04.280
that she was gay. But anyway, Kay Ballard and Lucy were a close

935
01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:08.920
friends. And this is a story
that the Kay Ballard tells. She said,

936
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:14.480
Lucy and I in Palm Springs,
Lucy and I were riding bikes when

937
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:16.480
a dog came out of the woods. Foaming at the mouth. She just

938
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:19.320
looked at the dog and screamed to
get the gut it here, and the

939
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:24.400
dog ran back into the woods.
Kay ballards as I turned her and said,

940
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:27.760
that is why you are queen of
the world and I am nothing.

941
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:38.840
That's awesome. But Lucy lived at
the same house for till till she died.

942
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:43.559
They bought the house in the in
the fifties on Roxbury Drive, one

943
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:48.079
thousand Roxbury Drive, and she lived
there until the day she died. Unless

944
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:50.239
she didn't died in the house she
lived until the day she died, the

945
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:54.159
same house she shared with Daisy,
same house she brought up her kids,

946
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:59.000
and the same house she shared with
Gary Morton. Gary. Um. So

947
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:01.360
there's a number This happens a lot. There's a number of If you scroll

948
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:05.480
through the IMDb for I Love Lucy, there's you see this a lot.

949
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:11.679
With other shows that were long running. There's certain actors who you've never heard

950
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:14.880
of, but who appear in a
bunch of episodes, always as kind of

951
01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:17.000
a different character, right, they
bring back the same person guy or girl

952
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:21.039
to play various extra parts. Really
are a featured extra. Sometimes they have

953
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:25.280
a line, sometimes they don't,
and the one that stood out to me

954
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:29.920
was an actor named Bennett Green,
and he was actually Desi's stand in on

955
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.880
the show. And I've seen this
before and stuff I've worked on where he

956
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:38.079
is a stand in. He's the
stand in is there on set every day

957
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:40.960
anyways. So if you need an
extra, you need, you need somebody

958
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:43.800
to play a messenger at the door
or whatever, or a party guest,

959
01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:46.639
why not grab them. They're standing
there anyways. So Bennett Green ended up

960
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:50.400
appearing in fifteen episodes, but always
as somebody different. He was a messenger,

961
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:55.000
he was a delivery man, he
was a camera operator, he was

962
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:59.679
a dock worker, florist, hot
dog vendor, party guests, neighbor man

963
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:04.960
on the street, stage hand in
the audience, etc. And then he

964
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:10.519
also went on to appear in eight
episodes in similar supporting parts on The Lucy

965
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:13.400
Show in the sixties, which is
kind of interesting since Deasy wasn't around for

966
01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:16.400
that. He wasn't the stand in
anymore, but they obviously, you know,

967
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:19.960
must have formed some type of relationship
with him and kept bringing him back.

968
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:25.159
Bennett Green passed away on September eighth, nineteen eighty two. He was

969
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:30.920
seventy seven and he is also at
Hollywood Forever, which is cool. Aaron

970
01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:33.519
Spelling. There's a bunch of you, scrow. I mean, there's hundreds

971
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:38.760
and hundreds of actors and actresses credited
on the IMDb, so there's probably a

972
01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:44.000
bunch of cool ones I've missed.
But Aaron Spelling played a gas station man

973
01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:46.280
on an episode, so you must
have been one of those little bit parts.

974
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:53.280
And there were also a bunch of
celebrity guests who appeared as themselves on

975
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:56.559
I Love Lucy. The most famous
one, I think is William Holden,

976
01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:00.559
and that one of my most famous
scenes from the whole show when they go

977
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:04.039
to Hollywood and she has She's at
the brown Derby and Bill brown Derby right

978
01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:06.880
or yeah, it's the brown Derby
there, Yeah, and William Holden is

979
01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:10.480
there and she has this hilarious encounter
with him, you know, him playing

980
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:14.400
himself. John Wayne was also in
at orson Wells. Bob Hope, Rock

981
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:18.079
Hudson, Rock Hudson, Van Johnson, and head A Hopper all appeared as

982
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:20.680
themselves, and there's probably more than
a miss but I thought that was kind

983
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:26.560
of interesting. Um, it's a
lot of celebrity guest appearances when they went

984
01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:29.960
to Hollywood. Um, you know, because I'm a little bit of a

985
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:32.840
well everyone is that lives in La
Uh. You know you look in the

986
01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:38.399
background constantly for stuff you recognized.
Yeah, because it's almost like a documentary

987
01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:42.520
to some extent. Yeah. Yeah, there's that scene where they first get

988
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:45.720
the Hollywood and they pull into a
hotel and that hotels the Avalon and will

989
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:51.680
sure you know that hotel your century
city, but you know it's got that

990
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:57.600
kind of mid century kind of breeze
block right eerier and you see right into

991
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.840
there. Now when they showed the
sets and they're you know, they're on

992
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:05.079
the set, they're in their room
at their hotel room. The view outside

993
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:10.079
the window was a photograph taken from
the roof of the studio where they made

994
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:13.239
it. Because you could see the
Hollywood sign, you could see the Plaza

995
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:15.800
Hotel, you could see the product. All those signs are still there,

996
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:19.800
and uh but it was so they
basically went on the roof until the course

997
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:25.319
and blew it up and made it
to the exterior of their hotel, which

998
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:32.199
is kind of a clever idea well
easy once they clever. So the Harpo

999
01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:36.640
Marx thing was great. There was
there were some really great. I love

1000
01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:42.760
the Hollywood episodes. They're my favorites
most definitely. So let's talk about ghosts,

1001
01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:47.359
shall we. Um You mentioned you
mentioned her house in Beverly Hills on

1002
01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:55.199
which is at a thousand North Roxbury
Drive. Unfortunately, it was a few

1003
01:09:55.239 --> 01:10:00.479
years after she passed away. Gary
Morton sold it and somewhere at some point

1004
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.119
the new owners heavily renovated it,
which is really too bad. So it

1005
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:08.720
still somewhat, you know, resembles
the original house, but it's kind of

1006
01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:12.399
been plastered and part of it was
torn down, and it's just it's a

1007
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:15.720
bummer. It's a bummer. It's
always a bummer when these houses get especially

1008
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.600
one that someone lived in it for
a long time like she did. Like

1009
01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:20.600
it's a bummer that people don't respect
the history and leave them alone. But

1010
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:27.159
there's lots of stories that she haunts
the house, and some of the ones

1011
01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:31.520
I've found, there's the reports of
broken windows and a lot of activity in

1012
01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:36.239
the attic, loud voices coming from
the attic, furniture in the house getting

1013
01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:40.640
moved around, but also boxes in
the attic getting moved around. People have

1014
01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:44.159
heard the sounds of a party upstairs, before. People have heard the is

1015
01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:47.119
Love Lucy theme song come from the
These are the current owners you know that

1016
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:50.319
you're claiming or past owners. I
don't know if he who owns it now.

1017
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:57.079
And there's a blog called seeks Ghosts
that says that I think originated this

1018
01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:01.079
story that a friend of Lucille's grove
past the property to see the home one

1019
01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:05.239
last time. Walls were missing,
she was in being renovated. He could

1020
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:10.600
see Lucille's old bedroom and then he
noticed the tall, slim redhead peering through

1021
01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:14.239
the fence at what was left.
And she turned toward him and realized it

1022
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:16.680
was Lucy, and she looked upset
and confused, and then she walked around

1023
01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:23.920
the south corner of the house and
disappeared. Wow. Interesting, Wow,

1024
01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:28.720
that's that I've never heard any of
these stories. That's really interesting. Um

1025
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.359
the attic is where she used to
tie up and beat the kids. Oh

1026
01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:39.239
nice, just kidding. We got
like a Mommy Dearest thing going on here.

1027
01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:45.840
I've heard I've heard these stories before
and uh, and it seems to

1028
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.960
come from multiple sources, so it
is interesting. And I mean among people

1029
01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:55.800
that are into paranormal investigating and stuff
that it is the um the less traveled

1030
01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:58.840
places and buildings, or would they
say where you know the ghosts like to

1031
01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:02.039
hang out basically and not be bothered. So that's attics, crawl spaces,

1032
01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:06.359
basements, storage areas, closets,
whatever, secret rooms, behind doors,

1033
01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:10.399
whatever is where they hang out.
So it's interesting that a lot of the

1034
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:15.239
stuff seems focused on the attic of
the house. Um and then uh there's

1035
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:17.279
also claims that she haunts the old
studio building which is now at Paramount.

1036
01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:20.600
I heard that one. Yeah,
I've heard that one. No, the

1037
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:25.000
I know it was. It was
the one unlast Palmus was I was.

1038
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:30.520
I heard that, dude, I'm
not saying one on Lost Palmus where they

1039
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:34.319
filmed the last the first two years
of the show. I've heard that,

1040
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:43.279
but um yeah, so yeah she
good for her and then she also they

1041
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:46.359
had a ranch house in uh in
the Valley and in Chatsworth called Desilu Ranch.

1042
01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:51.159
Unfortunately was it was demolished in mid
seventies for a subdivision that was built

1043
01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:54.840
there, so kind of a bummer. But it was up on Devin Shure

1044
01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:59.199
uh so pretty far north. And
then um, she all they also had

1045
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:02.439
a place in Palms for Yes,
I knew about that one too. You

1046
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:08.079
know, something happened which I don't
know what this. I want to go

1047
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:12.720
back to the house in a second, but which they had a few.

1048
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:15.960
They had three funerals for her.
One was a private family, a private

1049
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:20.600
one in Los Angeles, and it
was funny because Gary Morton was put was

1050
01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:27.279
quoted in the in the U I
don't know what magazine or newspaper and says,

1051
01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:29.640
you know, it's gonna be a
private thing. We got a guy

1052
01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:31.800
around here that shows where people died, and none of us wanted anything like

1053
01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:41.000
that talking about, which was kind
of funny. But so they had these

1054
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:43.279
three funerals, went in Los Angeles, went in New York, one in

1055
01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:45.920
Chicago. I was living in Chicago
at the time, so I went to

1056
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:48.520
the Chicago one, and I can't
explain what happened. This is the weirdest

1057
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:53.359
thing. And I don't know this
paranormal. It's probably something ridiculous. And

1058
01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:57.279
it didn't happen in the in the
cathedral either, but I was on my

1059
01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:00.079
way. We took a taxi from
the office to the funeral, and this

1060
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:02.680
never happened to me before or since. But I was in the taxi.

1061
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:08.159
We're talking about Lucy and I looked
up and it was at that very moment

1062
01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:12.439
there were like water in my eyes, both my eyes, dripping water directly

1063
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:15.439
into my eyes. There was nothing
there. There was no one near me

1064
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:16.920
that did do that. There was
nothing in the taxi. But it was

1065
01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:20.399
just the weirdest. I can't explain
it. I just always attributed it to

1066
01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:24.920
Lucy because it happened right then,
but it just so it was weird.

1067
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:28.840
I've never heard about anyone else either. But you know, my eyes are

1068
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:31.680
fine now, they're you know,
old and decrepit, but uh, but

1069
01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:33.840
then, you know, it was
just the weirdest thing. I looked up

1070
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:36.439
in boom, these these drops of
waters were in my eye. Was just

1071
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:40.439
the weirdest you were. You were
in the taxi. It was in the

1072
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:44.159
back of it, so like like
it came out of the ceiling. There

1073
01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:46.279
was nothing there, nothing, nothing
there. I was talking to the person

1074
01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:48.800
next to me and I said,
what you know, and there was like

1075
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:53.840
nothing. I can't explain it,
so I can't say it's super I'm going

1076
01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:57.800
to say that was one of the
weirdest things that I can't turn It's like

1077
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:01.439
you turned into one of those uh, those Catholic statues that cry maybe so

1078
01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:09.840
on a next but it was weird. I can't like you to figure out

1079
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:12.720
what that was. But anyway,
so, uh so, yeah, and

1080
01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:15.960
Lucy. So I don't I really
know the logistics of that house. The

1081
01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:20.640
house was empty for probably six years, sitting there on that corner, and

1082
01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:24.640
it was just falling apart. I
mean people, you know, no one

1083
01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:28.479
was living in it, and all
of Lucy's things were still in it.

1084
01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:33.520
And somebody I knew worked at it
was a Universal and I don't know what

1085
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:38.119
the I didn't know how these you
know, ownership of what ended up where

1086
01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:41.720
I know that The Lucy Show was
made at Universal. I don't know who,

1087
01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:44.760
you know who actually owned it,
but my friend, I think work

1088
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:48.359
for Universal was documenting everything that was
in the house, and you know it's

1089
01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:51.920
got to look you know, Lucy
kept some of her costumes there too,

1090
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:56.479
which was kind of cool. So
and also that Lucy Museum was at Universal

1091
01:15:56.479 --> 01:16:00.840
Studios for a while down where,
you know, down in the on the

1092
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:06.039
lower section of Universal Studio. So
Universal must own something with of Lucy,

1093
01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:12.199
or at least used to. And
uh so, so this house sat there

1094
01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:15.720
empty for years and it was literally
falling apart. I mean, like the

1095
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:18.159
shutters, which I don't want.
They're in a box somewhere. I have

1096
01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:21.119
some of her shutters that were just
like, you know, we're just falling

1097
01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:26.239
literally apart. Uh. We were
able to get into the house actually at

1098
01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:29.399
one point and it was you know, it was empty at that point and

1099
01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:32.640
the walls were falling down and we
got my friend got her welcome Matt.

1100
01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:38.800
But so it would be amazing.
I would love to have that. Yeah,

1101
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:41.119
and it has one of the events
which is all you know, all

1102
01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:45.079
yellow and nicotined, and you know, because it hadn't been it hadn't been

1103
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:48.520
redone in a very very long time. Yeah. So it cut to about

1104
01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:54.359
a year ago. I get this
this email out of nowhere from a guy

1105
01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:58.960
who says, I have Lucy sink. Do you want it? And I'm

1106
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:01.479
like it was her hair sink and
he goes, I have this to you

1107
01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:06.479
one and and I'm like from her
house on rockspurw I'm like yeah, So

1108
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:10.560
within you know, half an hour, I was at the guy's house and

1109
01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:13.760
you know, you can't you know, this is a between us thing.

1110
01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:15.600
I mean I could talk about it. Obviously. He gave it to me

1111
01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:18.199
because he knows what I do,
and I couldn't de vulte who he is.

1112
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:23.319
But he gave me the sink that
Lucy had in her house that she

1113
01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:26.439
would have her hair dyed every week
or so. It had like a little

1114
01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:29.079
the little scoop out of it for
you to put your head like an hair

1115
01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:32.000
dresser studio. Yea, I get
it, so so so I have.

1116
01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:35.199
And then he gave me this envelope
and or two of Lucy's credit cards,

1117
01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:39.520
you know, gas cards and stuff
like that, to Lucile Bone and he's

1118
01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:41.399
like, here, you can have
these, because you know, I'm not

1119
01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:43.479
going to do anything with him,
at least if you haven't, someone will

1120
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:46.720
have someone to be so, you
know. So so I have Karen Carpenter's

1121
01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:48.680
sink, and I I have Lucy's
sink. And then there was a guy

1122
01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:53.920
who's probably still selling it on eBay, little vials of the hair dye that

1123
01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:58.920
she she used. It was a
particular Egyptian type of hair dye that Hannah

1124
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:02.000
that she use. And there was
I remember she was not a natural redhead.

1125
01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:05.439
She had brown hair, I believe
naturally right, Yeah, she wouldn't

1126
01:18:05.439 --> 01:18:10.399
a redhead, but the but it
was only a particular shade of red and

1127
01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:15.359
only a particular type of dye that
she would use. Mum. So then

1128
01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:19.560
you know, upon little searching,
I found an appearance that she did on

1129
01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:24.279
the die I think it was Dinah
Shore Show and her and Vivian Vance were

1130
01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:27.960
on this show together, and this
is in the seventies. And they tell

1131
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:31.159
a story about being in Lucy's house
and they're getting their hair done and this

1132
01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:33.640
is cool because I have the sync
now you know, it's sitting like driveway

1133
01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:38.359
right now. But um, but
and she says, Vivian Van starts the

1134
01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:41.680
story, and keep in mind,
this is the six this is the seventies,

1135
01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:45.600
and and if you watch the Dean
Martin Celebrity breads, it's very unpolitically

1136
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:48.079
correct. I mean to the point
where it's like people would be, you

1137
01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:54.279
know, protesting and demanding death if
they were to watch these and to right,

1138
01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:59.000
and I'm dead serious, they are
so out there anyway. So so

1139
01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:02.239
but this is you know, it's
a good natured show and good nature of

1140
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:04.960
the Vivian Vance is saying, you
know, Lucy and I she was getting

1141
01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:10.119
I was getting my hair dyed peroxided, and Lucy was getting her Hannah and

1142
01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:13.880
and we've got you know, our
toes up. We're getting pedicures and and

1143
01:19:14.119 --> 01:19:16.520
we're sitting in Lucy's house and the
next thing, you know, this group

1144
01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:21.239
of people walked through the house and
they're they're dressed up, and they've got

1145
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:28.640
these amazing clothes on and and and
they're clearly well it was the you know,

1146
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:32.079
it's Lucy's saying they're from India or
Siam, I guess at that point.

1147
01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:35.840
And then she goes and they're wearing
these clothes and then the women had

1148
01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:41.239
the dot the whole thing, you
know, walking through their house. So

1149
01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:45.119
they're walking literally like a tour bus
dropped them off, and you were walking

1150
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:47.960
through Lucy's house and they're walking through
you know, this beauty room where you're

1151
01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:51.039
giving their hairstyle, and she and
Lynn and Vivian Vance says, and we

1152
01:19:51.079 --> 01:19:55.079
found out later it was the King
as I am, you know, so

1153
01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:59.159
walking through Lucy's house as the other
box. But it was just it was

1154
01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:02.239
it was FASHIONA hear this story and
now, you know, having a piece

1155
01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:05.520
of it, it's kind of cool
too, but uh yeah, it's just

1156
01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:10.239
it's a it's a different time and
there's a lot of things wrong at that

1157
01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:15.600
time. Uh, certainly, But
but there's there's nuts. Um. You

1158
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:18.359
know, Lucy was her own mold
that she broke. I mean, she

1159
01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:21.800
she she was, she was everything, you know, she was the whole

1160
01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:29.439
deal, businessperson, successful actress,
mother, you know. Yea, and

1161
01:20:29.479 --> 01:20:31.359
even even the daughter Lucy Arne said, you know when you're when you're the

1162
01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:41.279
daughter of two beyond the realm of
comprehension famous people, and uh and and

1163
01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:44.760
it's true that had to have been
very difficult. And now there's all that

1164
01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:50.560
uproar about the uproar but they're making
the new biopic and uh and uh yeah,

1165
01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:58.079
I guess they've already cast Nicole Kidman
as Lucy and uh as your Nash.

1166
01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:00.600
But I watched a little in Graham
thing that she did and she goes,

1167
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:04.119
this isn't you know. They're not
being Lucy and Ricky like you know

1168
01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:09.640
them. They're being my parents.
And it's not a hack job. This

1169
01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:13.560
is a real story and you're gonna
get a real look at the way things

1170
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:17.239
were. We're not casting yeah I
love Lucy. We're casting them as human

1171
01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:24.119
right And uh so it's it's gonna
be it's gonna be an interesting project.

1172
01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:29.439
Yeah, I think anything like a
k wouldn't be wished. It sucked,

1173
01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:33.079
you know. So originally Kate Blantchett
was supposed to play Lucy in this in

1174
01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:38.840
this show, and for whatever reason
that changed and uh and they there it's

1175
01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:42.119
now gonna be um Nicole Kidman.
So people were, I think we're bum

1176
01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:45.720
because Kate Blanchett is a is fantastic, She's such a fantastic actor, but

1177
01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:47.960
so is Nicole Kidman. So uh, you know, they get the benefit

1178
01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:49.840
of it out For me, I
hope it. I hope it's good.

1179
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:55.199
Yeah, yeah, most definitely.
Did you read well, you must have?

1180
01:21:55.239 --> 01:21:59.279
It was big, kind of one
of those entertainment funny stories. But

1181
01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:02.640
they had the James Town, you
know museum Lucy's hometown in her old house

1182
01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:05.479
where she grew up in at your
Lucy's not buried, but a couple of

1183
01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:09.159
years ago there was. It was
kind of a scandal because they had the

1184
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:15.039
most hideous Lucy statue there. Remember
that, Yes, Oh my god,

1185
01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:21.439
it was so bad, horrifying and
uh and it was commissioned and approved because

1186
01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:26.439
they put it in a park somewhere
and for some reason, I just wereth

1187
01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:29.239
the eyes in the in the smile
just like crazy. It wasn't that the

1188
01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:31.680
one where the face was just like
it would haunt your dreams, like it

1189
01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:36.119
was gonna run you and chew your
face up. You know. It was

1190
01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:40.159
so I don't know, Like I
said, it was approved by somebody and

1191
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:43.319
it was put there and they must
have had some sort of ceremony and they

1192
01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:46.479
probably unveiled it. Were like,
yeah, but that cost a lot of

1193
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:49.359
money. We're just gonna leave it. But they ended up replacing it.

1194
01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:53.439
And I don't know what happened to
the original Ugly Lucy. But if anyone

1195
01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:56.800
has it and doesn't want it anymore, I will be happy to take it.

1196
01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:00.279
I would love Ugly Lucy. I
think that'll be. I would have

1197
01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:01.319
it in front of my museum,
my next museum. Oh my god,

1198
01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:09.199
I would sew me up. Oh
yeah, most definitely. That's awesome.

1199
01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:12.439
Is that it? I think?
So? I mean the other huge So

1200
01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:15.760
we talked about briefly. You know
Gayale Gordon, who played mister Mooney and

1201
01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:20.640
he followed her for her incarnations of
the last Lucy shows. Uh ended up

1202
01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:24.359
being you know, she was.
He was married for fifty seven years,

1203
01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:28.680
died of cancer. Keith Thibadeau was
still alive. He played a little ricky

1204
01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:34.119
Elizabeth Patterson who played Missus Trumbull,
the neighbor upstairs. She died actually in

1205
01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:39.199
the in the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel.
She's one of the three people that actually

1206
01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:42.560
died in the hotel that are famous. I mean people died in hotel time.

1207
01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:47.960
So and Mary Jane Croft was also
one of her co stars in later

1208
01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:51.960
the Lucy Show, I think,
and she died in nineteen ninety nine eighty

1209
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:57.560
three in Century Park, Century City. And I don't know. I think

1210
01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:02.279
the last story is it's it's not
a nice story. But we know that

1211
01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:08.560
Vivian Vance and William Frawley they didn't
care for each other very much. Right.

1212
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:15.079
According to rumor, Vivian Dance was
on set for some show when she

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got the news that Fraley died and
she and her word reaction, WI was

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champagne for everyone. Oh well,
um, with that champagne for everyone to

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our our listeners, um and uh. And also if we mentioned Patreon,

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we do have a Patreon page and
Patreon supporters all get early or the five

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dollars months ones to get early access
to the episodes, and then everybody who

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subscribes to Patreon gets um our extra
mini shows that we do between these main

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ones. So hustle on over to
Patreon and look up Dearly Departed podcast.

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Uh And and you know, we
appreciate all the support to everyone who keeps

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backing us up and and supporting the
show. It it really means a lot

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of it helps. It does.
And yeah, and thank you very much

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for doing so. And if you
don't mind, Mike, I'm gonna give

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my my YouTube channel a plus because
of course, because that's there is no

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more tour. So that's how I'm
making a living. But in this,

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in this, I mean this,
in that or my job now. But

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recently, I you know, Dean
Martin's house um here in Paul Springs is

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abandoned, and I did a good
walk around to that the other day and

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I put that up on YouTube.
When I did the episode of Ghost Adventures,

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I did a lot of footage of
the cecil. I uploaded that to

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my YouTube channel. And so that's
what I've been working on. And it's

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some you know, some unusual things
that I don't think a lot of people

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have seen. So so that is
and you did, uh you when Don

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Wells passed away this past a few
weeks ago you put up you opened up

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what you have got at her um
garage, say what you would even forgotten

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what you had gotten. See kind
of every box open, reveal of it,

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which is cool. How many subscribers
are you up to now? I

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was like sixty sixty five thousand.
I think it's fantastic. Yeah, it's

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I've been I've been lucky because people
like what I do. So I'm very

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and I love it now because I
said, without the business and I missed

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delete departed tours, but I sure
don't miss the hassles. I don't miss

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I don't miss the physical hassles of
dealing with traffic, of dealing with insurance

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and insurance and insurance and you know
it just mechanics on the van and it

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was so I mean, I can't
tell you how relieved it is right now

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to have this time, to not
have to have that hanging over my head

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all the time. And I miss
it. God, I do miss it,

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but I wouldn't mind, you know. But it's just everything else was

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not fun. So there's a ten
twenty percent fun and the rest of it

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was like aggravating. So now it's
kind of cool. I can do what

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I do, do what I want, and uh, and I like it

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and people, you know, watch
my YouTube. It's free. It's free.

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Yeah, and it's Dearly Departed Tours
online. That's it, yeah on

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YouTube. Um and what what did
you find again in don Wells that you

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got from don Wells's since we mentioned
it from her her garage sale, Well,

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I found it. I bought a
jacket. I bought o her eyelashes,

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That's what it was her. Okay, she had a vitamin container.

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You know, you got like the
long containers Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Thursday and every day had a pair
of eyelashes in them, which is pretty

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funny. And uh, a prescription
for I forget what it was. And

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I don't know, you know,
it's so funny. It's just the other

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day. But it was. I
had a ton of stuff I did.

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Um, but it was all and
I like the reels O wigs, Oh

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my god, I got somebody wigs. Oh and go go boots. I

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got white Mary Anne wore wigs.
Yeah, I know, I know,

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but they're all labeled, you know, fall good one, uh, you

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01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:06.600
know kind of thing. But the
favorite episode of Gilligans Island or Where the

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girls are singing. They're in a
group called the Honey Bees. And uh

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and I got this pair of white
gogo boots. Now, I looked at

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01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:17.520
him pretty closely, and I don't
think they're the same ones. But people

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who watched that video claim they they
think that those are the real ones that

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she used for the show. I
can't That would be pretty cool, and

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I don't know how to prove that, but um, but they're pretty Maryann's

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01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:32.920
go go boots anyway, you know, just even But how many pairs of

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gog boots can Mary Anne? Have? You know? How many white gogu

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01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:41.119
boots did she own here? Yeah? So, uh so, I don't

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know if if there anyone out there
can you know, identify stuff like that.

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And and I'd love to hear from
you. Yeah, if you had

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to see a screen worn costume from
Gilligan's Island from you know, Mary Anne,

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01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:59.760
I'd be pretty cool. Go go
boots. Yeah, well, everybody,

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thank you so much, very much, appreciate it. And a toast

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of champagne do you all, and
we will see you on the next one.

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This has been an episode of the
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