Hi, welcome back to give us mug eve. I'm Megan and I don't
really have anything to say about this intro. Just hey back, welcome back,
miss you when you bugger. So last week we talked about Jack the
repeal. I don't know why I made him sound French because it happened in
England. But however I talked about his first three murder victims and I gave
an insight into wat Chapel at the time, which is not a good place
to be living. You don't want to be there mm hmmm. And if
you aren't there, you're very fucking per Yeah, it's not a fun time.
Oh, I know. We discussed. We discussed whether you would want
to take a chair or bed. Yeah, we did for You're like,
yeah, we did well done this weekcap is just as much for Megan as
it is for everybody else. And I think we said did we say the
chair? We set the chair? Yeah, because people were having people were
bumping ugly in those beds no ew yeah they were for the night. They
were like, this is my my boudoir. There's like ten other people in
there. Have you ever taught about bumping uglies? Back in a time when
there was no daily hygiene. Oh like before people were having daily showers and
stuff. Oh god, people weren't even having fucking weekly showers. No,
Like, I do not mean to be crude, but I'm going to imagine
putting an unwashed penis in your men hasn't been washed in weekstp it. Oh
why did you have to say that. I already was imagining the smell,
like I didn't need the visual. I'm sorry, I just I had to
share the visual because I had it and I had to get it out of
my brain. And if I was going to that visual, so the fuck
are you just traumatizing everybody else listening? Yeah, so Whitechapel is not the
place to be in the eighteen hundreds. And we talked about his first three
victims, which were Polly Nichols, Annie Chapman, and Elizabeth Stride. So
that was great, and we left off with a double acent mm hm,
yes, the double evant. Yes, the double evant. So Elizabeth was
murdered roughly around twelve forty five am, just for refresh of everybody's memory.
And she was only when I say only, like, she was only that
was my fridge. Oh. Yes, demon demons are back because I was
researching in demon case and we were talking about it last week as well.
Were we were we? Oh, I think we might have been, or
was it the week before? It was recently anyway, he's been summoned.
Yeah, She's like, oh, you wanted me whipped it out after one
vodka. You wanted me just exactly warnt it. She's like off to the
side, like yes, so just to like refresh everybody. She was murdered
roughly around twelve forty five am. She was her. Nothing majorly happened to
her is in regards to what had happened to Polly and Nickels. To Polly
Nichols and Annie Chapman, like they were really brutal deaths, were like fucking
intestines were everywhere where she was quite literally just her throat was lit and that
was pretty much it. There was like one or two other things, but
like nothing compared to what happened to Polly and to Annie and nothing like what
is about to happen next. Oh okay, I am going to give her
trigger warning. I said it last week and I'll say it again. It
is very much like that TikTok said. And her arms were cut off,
and her legs were cut off, and her feet were cut off, and
her tongue was cut off, and her face was cut It gets brutal,
okay, So I guess I'll just jump right on in. So, at
eight thirty am on the same night as Elizabeth Stride's death September thirtieth, eighteen
eighty eight, a police officer was walking his beat and everything was seemingly normal.
At about one forty four am, So fourteen minutes later, the same
officer was making his loop on his beach, making his way back round,
and he saw a woman lying on the ground. Fourteen minutes. It's solid
talk, It's solid talk. Catherine Eddowes was born in Gravesly Green, Wolverhampton,
on April fourteenth, eighteen forty two. She was the sixth kid of
twelve children to George and Catherine Arrows. The family was moved to London for
her father's work. She was sent to school which which wasn't the kind of
schooling that rich kids got. It was more so on how to survive in
a per family. Oh like the School of hard Knocks, Yeah, pretty
much like. It was very much like how to like. It was to
teach them skills so that they could try and make a living. Okay,
it wasn't so much like welcome children today, we will be talking about economics
tricks. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. This school was like listen
you put okay, I'm gonna teach you how to sell. I'm like,
I don't teach you how to sell, so you can at least try and
make some sort of living. I think I would want to go to that
school, though, because I don't know how to fucking sell. Yeah.
I feel like i'd learn more at that school, to be honest. Yeah,
right, I don't want to be nice, snobby bitch and moves.
Her mother died of tuberculosis on November seventh, eighteen fifty five, and then
two years later her dad died. In eighteen fifty seven, all of Catherine's
siblings were separated. The older siblings were sent to workhouses to pay for the
younger siblings schools, and then the younger siblings were like divided into all these
different schools, right, which were kind of like orphanage's slash schools if you
will. Catherine was sent to live with her aunt and her uncle. She
got a job and she worked there like when she wasn't in school, she
was working. She was eventually fired for allegedly stealing, and then she got
another job in her father's old place of work. Catherine eventually lost this job
too. She was then kicked out of her aunt and uncle's house for losing
her job. Catherine had to move in with another uncle, but that didn't
last too long before she was forced to move in with her grandfather. God,
this woman is being just this kid. Yeah, like I think she's
like fourteen when her dad dies or something like, she's like roughly like fourteen
fifteen when she's like orphaned. So she's not old enough to go off into
these like work houses like the older siblings. And then she's not young enough
for like the like schools to take her in, so she has to like
go stay with family and work whilst also getting her education. Her grandfather got
her a job, but this again didn't last very long, and it wasn't
long until she decided that she was going to move to Birmingham to be with
a man that she had met when she was sixteen years old. Thomas Conway
was a good bit older than Catherine. He was pensioned from the Royal Irish
regiment. He was irish, just fyi noise. Thomas sold chap books and
gallows ballads, which where songs wrote about criminals that were waiting to be hanged
for crimes. Oh oh that's yeah. They really have someone for everything,
don't they. They really do these days these days. The couple never officially
got married, but Catherine did start going by Katherine Conway. The couple had
two Yeah, sligh, I'm going to start doing that, you know,
all of a sudden, I'm just neave milan. I've just decided that's fine,
all right, Cool cool. The couple had two daughters together, and
Catherine even went ahead and got TC tattooed on her forearm. God, Catherine,
you're a fucking hardcore. She was like, I fucking love you TC.
I believe it was in like blue ink or something or like that.
That's even cooler, Right, what I'm envisioning, it's probably not at all
what she had, but what I'm envisioning is just I'm envisioning like a massive
TC, Like it's really ornate that takes of like fucking as much of her
form. Yeah, Like it's basically on her forehead at this point. Yeah,
that's exactly what I'm fixturing. Hangings were then outlawed all across Britain,
which meant that the couple lost their main source of income. They were in
and out of work houses for money, and both Thomas and Catherine began drinking
very heavily, like they had no other source of income but these like Gallows
ballads, and then when hanging was outlawed, they were like, oh fucking
shit, so they just had no other option but to go into workhouses.
I just don't understand if you can be good at writing Gallows ballads, why,
well, like a Gallows ballad when I thought about it, because I
was like, the fuck is a guve ballad? And then I like googled
it and like, basically like a Gallows ballad was like what was written about
leather Apron in the first episode where that was like when he was caught.
I can't even find it, so I can't even tell you what it was,
but it was like basically like he did it, something has to be
hanged. But it was like wrote in like a rhythm, you know,
But why can't you just write other music? I don't. I don't know,
Okay, I don't know. Instead, they were like, oh,
fucking shit, we'll just have to start drinking really heavily and start entering workhouses.
The couple had a son in eighteen seventy three, and from my knowledge,
they I read like a conflicting One article said that they had like two
daughters and two sons, and then another article just mentioned two daughters and one
son. So they got kids, they got kids, okay, when tom
as I said, they were drinking very heavily. When Thomas was drunk,
he would actually beat Catherine and this led to the relationship breaking down naturally because
he's a base of a shit fucker and she got your name tattootnia. Yeah,
well your initials, but samely. Catherine and Thomas eventually separated, and
Catherine took their two daughters with her. She had nowhere to go, so
she was just living on the streets, so she had to place her daughters
in with family. Her family were like, we're not taking you because you're
a fucking mess, but we'll take the kids. Oh well that's something.
Yeah, I was like, to be fair, she was a bit of
a mess, so yeah, I mean she lost all of her jobs all
the time, so yeah, they couldn't trust her at that point, No,
he's supposed to do exactly. Catherine's drinking worse, and she began working
the streets as a prostitute, as a lady of the night. She was
arrested a couple of times for this and also for drunken disorderly. This is
getting like even sadder. Her story is getting worse. All of these women
that were murdered, their stories are so depressing and like sad, and I
get it. It's a shit time to be alive in the eighteen hundreds.
But men, Jeemes, Louise, Yeah, it's it's rough. Catherine then
met John Kelly. He was a salesman. He didn't drink, and he
was a seemingly nice man who was besotted with Catherine. Oh that's good for
her, it's I think. She was just like, yeah, you're all
right, and he was like, you're the love of my life. She
was like sure, same sees yeah, okay, I mean, do you
have money? How broke are you do? It didn't take long for Catherine
to move in with him. She was still going by Catherine Conway though for
the most part, but would occasionally answer to Katherine Kelly, which I just
think is so cruel, like he's de sodded with her. She's like,
so my ex husband was like, pretty cool, it's pretty awesome. You
want to know how many questions you can do? And he's like, you
moved a light of my life, like she ekesperienced it. Yeah, and
she's like, did you know tamas Conway he wrote those gallons? Yeah?
You heard that one about leather apron. You heard that one. Yeah?
That was him, That was that was him, That was him. I
helped I was there. I shouldn't mock because this woman's about to have a
really awful death. I just couldn't help myself with that. The couple would
stay in lodging houses together, and they would also enter work houses together,
but they would go off and do their own thing too, so like they
would basically just go off try to earn as much money as they could and
then need up to go stay in the lodging houses, which I guess is
like kind of like not that bizarre for the time, because you just,
yeah, what are you gonna do? Everybody just needed money so badly that
it was just like Okay, I'll meet you at this time at this place,
and we'll put our money together and hopefully we'll have enough money for a
room. By the summer of eighteen eighty eight, they were common law married,
which basically meant that they were cohabiting for so long that they were just
in the eyes of the government, they were considered married. Oh my god,
that's still a thing, because I really hope it is. Because what
is a common law marriage? The term common law marriage or first your relationship
between two people who decide to go habitate and present themselves as a married couple
without the benefit of legal ceremony and marriage certificate. But how long? Seven
years? Is it? Actually seven years? It is? Yeah, So
you and Ilen common law married. Throwing February. I'm gonna celebrate the day.
It was the first of February. We moved in together seven years ago.
Okay, the first of February. We're throwing you a marriage perfect,
perfect and Jill, the couple got worked together in Kent to go hop picking,
which is what it sounds like where they went and they picked hops for
the beers. So the couple walked the forty miles to Kent, did their
work, stayed there for a few weeks, and then they walked home back
to Whitechapel. This had been the first time that the couple actually spent like
that much time together, because normally they would spend like hours a part,
yeah, trying to like find different work where this time they were working like
with one another. It's reported that they didn't get on so well and that
they were arguing quite a bit. They arrived back in London on September twenty
seventh, eighteen eighty eight, and John went into a lodging house. Catherine
went to join a workhouse to try to earn a little extra money. When
she got to the workhouse, she went up to the superintendent and told him
that she was there to collect the reward for the White Chapel murders because quote,
I think I know him. The superintendent warned her to be careful that
she didn't end up a victim, and she replied, quote, don't worry,
No fear for that, No fear of that. Ooh no, don't
like that foreshadowing. Yeah. On September twenty ninth, eighteen eighty eight,
Catherine met John for breakfast before going off to do a few of her few
bits and pieces, a few jobs here and there, a few errands.
They planned to meet up later on that day, and they did at around
two pm, and Catherine told John that she was going to see her daughter
because she wanted to go ask her for money, and that she would be
back more roughly around four pm. So at around four pm she was back
in Whitechapel and she was seen on Prostitute Island, which is basically just like
an area where Yeah, I know, it's basically just an area where sex
workers gathered to try get some work. I mean, fair enough, but
who fucking called it. I'm viewing it as like an I'm viewing it as
like a roundabout that like all the women stood on. I fully imagined a
full islands like Lost style. Nice. Catherine was described as very drunk and
was reportedly imitating a fire engine. Okay, yeah, this is now what
a fire engine sounded like in eighteen eighty eight. It's not to my knowledge.
Can we please search. I'm like, I don't know what I'm expecting
to be honest, I'm imagining just some guy hanging off it going we okay,
horse fire engine nineteen oh eight. Let's see, Well we're in eighteen
eighty eight, but I'm sure it'll be close enough. Yeah, it's literally
a horse drawn carriage. God, we all have boddy hats on. That's
lit. I really want to know what it Okay, well, this is
what was reported. Again, I do not know what a fire engine would
have sounded like back then. Wasn't a proper fire engine, was it.
But how andever, that's what was reported. So that's what I'm going to
tell y'all. At around eight thirty pm, she was arrested by two police
officers. They had found her lying on the ground extremely intoxicated. When they
asked her what her name was, she replied nothing. She was put in
a cell and she was left there to sober up. At twelve thirty am,
she asked the police officers when they intended to let her leave, and
she was told that she could leave when she was able to look after herself.
At around one am, she was discharged and let go. When police
asked for her name, she told them it was Mary Anne Kelly of six
Fashioned Street. Oh doesn't I your name is it Helenepha? Oh? Well
yeah. Then as she was walking at the door of the police station,
she turned around and said, oh right, good night, o'cock. Oh
I feel like that. I feel like that's a warm greeting for some reason.
Yeah. I don't see it as like an insult. I see that
as her just being like super English. Yeah, like old timey. Yeah,
yeah, yeah it. At one thirty five am, Catherine was seen
walking down a street called Church Passage by three men. They saw her talking
with a man of medium build. He was wearing a gray jacket with a
red scarf and a gray hat with peak on it. Catherine had her hands
on the man's chest. Less than ten minutes later, Catherine's body was found
mutilated and disembelled Jesus. Her head was turned to the left shoulder by her
with her arms by her side. Her clothes were above her waist and her
left leg was extended. Her throat had been cut and her intestines had been
removed. They'd been placed lying over her right shoulder. She'd been cut from
rectum to sternum. Her right ear had been cut off. Both eyelids had
been sliced open. She had a cush from the bridge of her nose to
the cheek, to her cheek, and then down to her chin. The
tip of her nose had been cut off. Her lip had been cut in
half down to her gum underneath her eyes, where two small triangles had been
cut out with some skin like flapping over them. Her left kidney had been
removed and it was not at the crime scene. What the hell? Oh
this is like less than ten minutes right. The killer had also stabbed Catherine
in the vagina, liver, and rectum. He sliced her right tie up
to her labia. It was concluded that Catherine had died from her throat being
cut and everything else had been done postmortem. A piece of her apron was
also cut off and taken. Police believed they'll found the piece of apron about
ten minutes away from the crime scene, and it appeared as if it was
used to clean the killer's knife. Then in any way where the apron had
been found. Wrote on the wall in chalk was quote, the Jews are
not the men that will be blamed for nothing. Okay, So there's a
lot of anti seminism during like going on. Now. I don't talk about
the policing and the investigating in this crime because when I tell you it's a
hot mess, it's a hot mess. But it's eighteen eighty eight and I
don't expect anything less. Yeah, fair fair enough, and the like lead
detective was like, I was unstressedly I would be do if I was the
lead detective of the fucking Jackie Ripper case. Nah, babes, I'm out.
He's like unstressed. Leave when this happened. When Catherine Edo's is like
murdered and he's like fucking like Paris, They're like, you know you got
to get out. Nah no, I do not need to go anywhere.
I amn't going to enjoy my stress. Leave. But so the like officers
wanted to take a photo of what was wrote in the chalk like on the
wall, but it was too dark to take the photo. They would have
had to wait a few hours for it to be led out because obviously this
is eighteen eighty eight and their chemists can only do so much. Yeah,
and so they certain police officers wanted to wait to take a photo, but
then like higher up detectives basically made the decision to wipe it all off the
wall. Oh, it would have incited Their claims were that it would have
incited like something because it was an anti Jewish remark and like tensions were high
and he was like, it's got to get off the walls. Now I
don't remember like names and stuff, but basically, like one detective was like,
can we not just like wipe off the word jew? Mmm, we'll
know it says jew. Take a photo of it and then remove wipe it
all off. But basically the lead detective that was there that was like in
charge, because the actual lead detective was off and fucking stressed a bat a
goal, he just basically was like, Nope, remove it and removed it.
Didn't ideal. That's not the best scenario. Like, and to be
fair to like the detectives that was like, can we not just like remove
the word jew? We'll know that it says jew, so we'll know.
Yeah, because then they're like, people won't know that it's out and we
can just take a photo. We can just say we find it like that,
but we'll know that it actually said you. And then that means whoever
wrote it is possibly the killer. We'll know it said jew. Actually,
yeah, that's another point as well. Yeah, that's great, but it's
eighteen eighty eight. If we've learned anything about policing in the fucking nineties.
If it's not good in the nineteen nineties, it's not good in the eighteen
hundreds. Before I go any Frida, We'll just take a quick at break
and we're back. The media and the police began receiving letters allegedly from the
killer. I have these letters. Oh lay it on me baby. On
September twenty eighth, eighteen eighty eight, the Central News Agency in London received
the first letter. Now, the Central News Agency isn't a news it it's
like head of the news outlets. So like it's like you have from my
understanding back then, It's like and obviously these weren't the newspapers that are around,
but these are the ones that I know, So these are the ones
that I'm going to use. It's like the Sun and the Mirror are a
part of the Central News Agency, right, They're like an umbrella. Yeah.
Yeah, So they received to the letter, okay, which people find
strange because why would they receive the letter not the actual newspaper. I guess
to make sure it went out to every possible source. God of maybe maybe
The letter was dated September twenty fifth, eighteen eighty eight, and this letter
is known as the Dear Boss letter. Dear Boss, I keep hearing the
police have caught me, but they won't fix me just yet. I have
laughed when they look up, when they look so clad and talk about being
on the right track. The joke about leather apron gave me real fits.
I am down on whores, and I shan't quit ripping until I get buckled
grant work. The last job was I gave the lady no time to squeal?
How can they catch me now? I love my work and I want
to start again. You will soon hear of me with my funny little games.
I saved some of the proper stuff in a ginger beer bottle over the
last job to write with, but it went thick like glue and I can't
use it. Red ink is fit enough, I hope. Hah. The
next job I do, I shall clip the lady's ear off and send them
to the police officers, just for jolly. Wouldn't you keep this letter back
till I do a bit more work, then give it out straight. My
knive's so nice and sharp, and I want to get to work right away
if I can get a chance. Good luck yours, truly, Jack the
ripper, don't mind me giving the trade name. PS wasn't good enough to
post this before I got the red ink off my hands, criss it no
look yet they say I'm a doctor now, ha ha. I don't get
the PS part, he wrote. He wrote the letters in red ink,
and so he's basically like, I can't get this goose stuff off me.
We didn't need to know that, Jack. Then on October first, eighteen
eighty eight, a postcard was sent to the Central News Agency. Again there
there appeared to be blood smeared all over the postcard, and this became known
as the Sausage Jack letter. I was not caught in dear old boss,
when I gave you the tip, you'll hear about saucy Jack's work tomorrow.
Double event. This time Number one squealed a bit, couldn't finished straight off,
had no time to get years off for police. Thanks for keeping last
letter back until I got to work again, Jack the Ripper. The next
letter was sent to the chairman of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee, which had been
set up as an almost like community watch program that we're like trying to catch
the murderer fair m The letter was accompanied with a small package. In the
package was a little bit of a kidney, Just a little bit of a
kidney, just a little bit of a kidney and buy you a little bit.
I mean half half a kidney. Oh, where's the rest of it?
That's what's scary. Yeah, yep. If you remember Catherine Edams was
missing her kidney, she was so this letter is one of the most famous
letters, and it is the from Hell letter and it was sent on October
sixteenth, eighteen eighty eight. Mister Lusk, sir, I sent you half
the kidney I took from one woman, preserved it for you to other piece.
I fry and ate it. It was very nice. I may send
you the bloody knife that took it out, if only you wait a while
longer. Signed catch me if you can, mister Lusk, catch me if
you can, mister Horns. The kidney was sent to doctor Openshaw or Openshaw
however you want to say his name, a local pathological creator. He confirmed
that the kidney was in fact human and very possibly came from Cathernetto's. It
was the correct size and it was from it. I think the kidney was
taken from her right side, I think, and this was like a right
kidney, so they were like, it's their right shape, the right size,
it's from the same side, like, it's very like I'd say they
were probably like ninety nine percent sure as Cathernetto's. But again, I'm sorry,
I hit my mic again. It's eighteen eighty eight, Like they're not
doing tests like we're doing now, so they can never be one hundred percent
sure back then. Yeah, it's just like it fit. Yeah, it's
sup puzzled. How many people are losing kidneys these days, you know,
in eighteen eighty eight, probably a lot more than you expect. Yeah,
you know what, you're probably right there. But then on October twenty ninth,
eighteen eighty eight, doctor Oppenshaw received a letter from Jack the Ripper,
Old boss. He was right, it was the left kidney. I'm sorry
they will it's from the left side, old boss. You was right,
it was the left kidney. I was going to operate again and close to
your close to you hospital. Sorry, the like first two letters are rotten
wroten on. Oh. The first two letters are written like properly, and
then the next few are like written like really bad. I was going to
operate. He got confused for operating hospital. Okay, yeah, just as
I was going to draw my knife alonger bloom and throat, then cusses of
Copper's spoilt the game. But I guess I will be on the job soon
and we'll send you another bit of inards Jack the Ripper. Oh have you
seen the devil with his microscope and scalpel a looking at a kidney with a
slide cocked up? Okay, yep. Now, there's a lot of skepticism
about how authentic these letters are. Many people believe most of them are fake,
and most people believe that the only letter to be real is the from
Hell letter. It's the one that doesn't address himself as Jack the Ripper.
It's the only one where he just gives information. Here's a kidney, Like
it's literally like, here's the kidney. I preserved it. I fired Nat
the other piece. It was nice. I'll send you my knife if you
want. I don't know what else you want me to do. Yeah,
I am all the other ones. It's like old Boss and you know,
like very like theatrical, Yeah, very it's getting like BTK vibes, like
naming himself and stuff. Yeah, and only BTK what do that? Yeah?
Oh wait, didn't the X Man of New Orleans. No, he
didn't. He wrote just ro letters. Oh, he wrote theatrical letters,
but he didn't name himself the X Man. I don't think he did.
His letters are my favorite. His letters were the shit. Yeah. So
most people believe that the from Hell letter is the only one that might be
real, and that is why it is the most famous one. So most
people know about the from Hell Letter. They might know about the rest,
but a lot of people, like when you talk about Jack the Ripper,
know about that one. Then on November ninth, eighteen eighty eight, the
last and the youngest victim was found in her was found mutilated in her bed.
Mary Jane Kelly was born in eighteen sixty three in Limerick, Ireland.
When she was young, her father moved the family to Wales to try and
escape the Irish famine. At sixteen years of age, Mary met John Davis.
He was a coal miner. Mary and John eventually got married. Mary
then claimed that John had died in a coal mining explosion, and she then
went off and moved to Cardiff with her cousin, but it is believed that
John was still alive. When she moved to Cardiff, Mary was struggling to
make some money, so she turned to sex work. She claimed that she
had spent nine months in Cardiff in infirmary of a mystery illness, but there's
no real report of this, and then she said that she had to work
at the infirmary to pay for her like hospital bills. In eighteen eighty four,
Mary decided to move to London for a fresh start. She jumped from
job to job, never lasting long. She eventually got a job as a
lady's maid, which essentially just meant that she was working in a brothel.
She was very popular with customers there and had a lot of regulars. Francis
Craig was one of her many regulars, and he was a job as an
He had a job as an editor of a local newspaper, but he had
been fired for stealing other people's work. That's no good, don't do that.
I hate when people do that, I know, right. He asked
Mary to move with him to Paris where he would get her a job,
where he would get her a better paying job in a gentleman's club. So
she went with him and was like fuck it, why not. She didn't
last very long and she decided that she wanted to go home to London,
so the couple went so the two of them came home and they got married
on Christmas Eve. The marriage only lasted about three months before Mary just up
and left Francis. Oh okay, yep, she moved to the East end
of London. Francis hired a private investigator to try to find Mary, and
he found her. And when he found her, she was working the streets
as a sex worker. Mary went on to get work in different brothels.
Nothing like all she could kind of get was sex work, and this enraged
Frances and he was at one stage considered a suspect in her murder. Yeah,
well, he seemed like he need a real problem with her. Mary
began drinking a lot and eventually left her job at the bottle. She was
bouncing around the lodging houses when she eventually met Joseph Burnett. The couple met
at a pub called the Ten Bells, which is still open to this day.
Ah, that's nice. They very quickly decided to move in together.
They rented an apartment at thirteen Miller's Court, which was a very rough area.
Joseph wanted to be the provider for the couple. He wanted to keep
Mary off working the streets like he was like, let me work as hard
as I can so you do not have to go out and work in these
like horrific conditions. We bless his soul. He however, lost his job
in the summer of eighteen eighty eight, and the couple had no other choice
but for Mary to start sex work again. By autumn eighteen eighty eight,
the couple had begun to fight a lot. Mary's drinking had gotten very bad,
and she actually began letting friends stay in the apartment with her and Joseph
when they had no money for lodging houses. And when I call this an
apartment, it is not. It's an eighteen eighty eight apartment. Yeah.
It literally fits a single bed, a chair, and like a circular side
table, small table, and it has a fireplace in it. And she's
like letting friends stay there because they don't have money for lodging houses. And
she's like, sure, just come spend the night with me, it's fine,
And then like Joseph's like, yeah, where where do you expect this
to be? Like what? Joseph eventually had enough when Mary led a woman
that they barely knew stay in the apartment, and he left Mary in October
eighteen eighty eight, which like, look, I kind of understand you barely
know this woman, like you're letting a stranger stay in our house. They
remain friends, though, and Joseph tried to give Mary money to help her
with rent and stuff whenever he had any spare. That's nice, it is
nice. He went to go see Mary on October seventh, eighteen eighty eight,
and it is believed that he gave her some money and that was the
last time he saw her. Mary was seen out drinking the next night at
several pubs. She had been seen a lot with different men that night,
and it is believed that she was late in her rent. So rent was
due the like following day and she was super behind, and so she basically
went to work the streets to try to get as much money as she could
to pay the back rent that she owed. At around eleven forty five PM,
a neighbor saw Mary arrive home with a man that was described as a
stout man roughly in his thirties. He had a mustache, and he was
hiding a beer under his coat. How did she know that? I know,
right, sleigh neighbors, could this is also a sleigh neighbors could hear
her singing old Irish songs until about one am. Well, yeah, I
mean Dublin's Fair City where the girls are so pretty. I first set my
eyes on sweet Molly alone. If I ever have a child, I can't
name her Molly. Oh you really can't. Oh, and I like that
name. Mary's neighbor that lived above her woke up between three and four am
as her cat had been startled by something. That is, when she heard
someone shid murder. Oh, but I heard nothing after that and just went
back to bed. Now this indicates just how rough Whitechapel was that at three
in the morning, you're hearing someone's shape murder and you're just like, oh,
what the fuck's going on out there? And then you roll over and
you go by sleep. Yeah. Yeah, I'd probably do the same to
be fair in Malta. Yeah, Like it just goes to show like what
they were living in that like to them, that's just like a fucking nightly
occurrence. Yeah. Then on November ninth, eighteen eighty eight, at around
ten thirty am, the landlord's assistant knocked on Mary's door to collect overdue rent.
No one answered, so he went around the corner to look in the
window, and that is when he saw the rippers last and by far worst
crime. Police were called immediately. They were unable to enter Mary's apartment as
the lock on her door had broken. Her and Joseph had gotten into a
fight many months before and it led to their window breaking. There was only
one window into the apartment, and it ended up that the window broke,
and that's how they were entering and exiting. No, that's how they were
entering their apartment. So the lock, the lock of the apartment like just
locked once you closed the door, so they could leave that through the door.
They couldn't get back in because they know key'd get back in, so
they were like going back in through the window to open the door to let
the other in. Okay. It took a while for police to kind of
figure it away in because they were like, hey, do we get in
here without like fucking up the crime scene. So eventually they just hadn't.
Eventually police us entered the apartment through the window. They noticed how hot the
room was, and that was because the killer left the fire blazing, which
meant that he was that long gone. Mary's body was lying in the middle
of her bed, surrounded by a pool of blood. Her head was facing
the left. There was a cut on her throat from left to right.
The surface of her abdomen and part of her insides were missing and placed all
around the room. The abdomen cavity was completely emptied of its viscera. Her
breasts were cut off and her arms were mutilated. Her uterus and kidneys,
along with one breast, was placed under her head. The other breast was
beside her right foot. The liver was placed in between her feet, and
the intestines were on the right of her body, and her spleen was placed
to the left. There had been flaps of skin that the killer had placed
on the table. There was blood all over the walls beside the bed.
Mary's ears, nose, cheeks, and eyebrows had all been partially removed.
Her lips had been blanched, Her vagina was more or less removed from her
body. Her heart had been removed and it was not at the crime scene.
After news broke of Mary's murder, witnesses began coming forward. One one
friend came forward and said that he had seen her at around two am the
night of her murder. She had asked him for a lend of money,
but he was also looking for money for a lodging house. Mary then went
on and found herself another client for the night, and he was described as
all the other sightings of the Ripper before dark features average build, average height,
dark clothing, carrying a package. The witness said that he followed Mary
and her client back to the apartment and he waited for a while, and
it was basically because she let friends stay with her. He was like,
oh, maybe when she's finished with the client, she'll let me stay the
night, because I have no money for a lodging house. But he said
he was their ages and there was no sign of anyone coming out of the
house, so he just left, okay. These victims of Jack the Ripper
are known as the canonical five. Some people believe that there are more.
There had been two murders in Whitechapel before the death of Polly Nichols. That
was Emma Smith, who died April third, eighteen eighty eight, and Martha
Tabrum who died August seventh, eighteen eighty eight. Then there had been four
more murders after the death of Mary, Jane, Kelly Rose, Marlette died
December twentieth, eighteen eighty eight. Alice Mackenzie died July seventeenth, eighteen eighty
nine, the Pinchin Street torso which was found September tenth, eighteen eighty nine,
which was basically just a torso found under a bridge, and Francis Coyle,
who had died February thirteenth, eighteen ninety one. It has always been
difficult to find out when exactly Jack the Ripper started his killing spray and when
he ended it. It's never been discovered who he was or why he stopped.
Some people believe that he moved away. Others think he died or maybe
he was institutionalized. There are many suspect in this case. I've just picked
out a few who I think, not even who I think did it,
just a few that I was like, interesting, Yeah. Montaque, John
Droot Montaque was an English barrister who was not from Whitechapel. Now a lot
of people believe that the killer had to have been from Whitechapel to basically know
the streets so well to kill someone in fourteen minutes and then like never be
seen. But you have to know the streets. But John, although he
wasn't from Whitechapel. He was seen a lot in the area around the time
of the murders. He was described as sexually insane. Oh yeah, okay,
and under said by ninth eighteen eighty eight he had killed himself by drowning
himself in the River Thams. This might explain why the murders had stopped.
But he's not from Whitechapel, and to be honest, there was no real
reason why people thought he was just sexually insane. So they're like, imagine,
now you have one partner and they go around telling everybody think you're secondly
insane. Just so if you got a little kinky, you got a little
freaky with it. Iconic Aaron Kuzminski was a Polish barber who reportedly heard voices
and suffered from hallucinations. He was sent to an asylum to an asylum after
threatening silence with a knife. In eighteen ninety one, DNA had been tested
from a piece of fabric that believed to have come from Catherine Edo's shawl.
It was found to be a match with Aaron. However, the type of
blood test that was conducted is not very accurate and is more so used as
a way of ruling out suspects, not a way of confirming. I don't
know a whole pile about DNA, So that's the best information that I can
give you, Okay, fair. It's also believed that the piece of fabric
may not even be from Catherine Edow's shawl. The material of the fabric is
believed to not have been made until after eighteen eighty eight. But some like
rich guy bought this at like auction, and it was auctioned as like Jack
the Ripper's victim clothing item, So that's why he bought it. And then
he went and he got it tested, and they were like, yeah,
that's got Iron Kazminski's DNA on it, but it doesn't do you know what
I mean? It like it might be his DNA, but it also might
be someone with just a similar DNA pattern. Yeah, was it like blood
type that they were looking at, like ab or I don't really know.
From my understanding of it. It's like me and you, even though we're
not related, we could have a similar like we could have similar markers that
make up our DNA and so, but like Cottle could have completely different markers.
And so the type of test would be done would be to rule cattle
out as a suspect, not rule us in as a suspect. Yeah,
I get you. James Kelly had murdered his wife in eighteen eighty three by
stabbing her in the neck. He was committed to broad More Insane Asylum,
and he managed to escape in early eighteen eighty eight. He was known for
having a strong hatred of sex workers, and police couldn't find him. Oh,
it wasn't until he turned himself in in nineteen twenty seven. Excuse me,
nineteen twenty six. I'm surprised you lived that long. Same and he
told police, quote, I've been on the war path since Broadmoor. He
died in nineteen twenty nine from natural causes, and the only reason most people
suspect him is because the way he murdered his wife. He stabbed her in
the throat, and all of Jack the Ripper's victims had their throats cut.
However, it doesn't explain why he just all of a sudden stopped but didn't
hand himself in until nineteen twenty seven. Yeah, unless you went somewhere else
or got sick or something. Walter Secret was an artist who was well known
for his paintings of prostitute he has. He has very famous paintings. He
painted scenes that when you matched them up with crime scene photos of Ripper murders,
they seemed to align. Oh oh, I don't like that. A
lot of people believe that this was Walter's way of leaving clues in his paintings
that he was, in fact Jack the Ripper. And he has a painting
that's called what's called it's called like Jack the Ripper's Bedroom or something like that.
But that's because he was staying in a room and the woman that ran
it was like, this was Jack the Repper's room. It was indicated that
Walter was impotent, impotent, impotent? Why'd I say it like that?
Important? He was in potent, and that this was why he would attack
sex workers because it reminded him of his pain of not being able to get
it up. Yeah, that's right, just take it out on women.
Yeap. Walter's DNA was found on a stamp from one of the Ripper's letters.
Again, it was the same DNA testing that had been done on Catherine
edo'shawl So not at all one hundred percent. Now we talked about Jack the
Ripper letters possibly being fake. Yes, so if they wear fake, it's
very believable that he just wrote one for one of the news outlets for funzies.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So it's like not at all out of
the realm of possibility that he did write a letter and that that is his
DNA on the stamp. It was strongly believed that it was not Jack the
Ripper, but it was Dring the Ripper. Oh, I haven't heard this
theory. A witness in Mary Jane Kelly's murder came forward and said that she
saw Mary at eight am on November ninth, nineteen eighty eight. No,
not nineteen eighty eight, eighteen eighty eight. However, Mary was already dead
by that stage, because it's believed she died between three and four am.
The witness said that she talked to Mary and she remembered seeing her again at
nine am with a man like She was like, no, Like I talked
to her, like, I asked her, hey, how are you like?
You know? Look, she was like, I had a conversation with
her, like I saw her. But the police were like, no,
because she was dead, didn't see her the fuck. This led to the
theory that the murderer was, in fact a midwife. It was commonly thought
that the ripper had medical knowledge with how the organs had been taken out seamlessly
and in such a short space of time. It would not have been questioned
if you saw a midwife walking around with blood in her clothes back in eighteen
eighty eight. And it's believed that what this witness saw was the killer wearing
Mary's clothes, walking around pretending to be her after she murdered her. Oh
that's fucked up, right, yeah, personally, Like I don't believe that,
but also what an interesting theory. It's an interesting theory. But like,
yeah, I mean people have completely different faces. Like I could be
wearing the exact same clothes as you, and nobody's going to mix up.
So the girl that saw her had only like she knew her, but it
only saw her a handful of times, right, and like it was more
so of an acquaintance than a friend, and so you know, was like,
no, like, I'm pretty sure it was her that I saw.
Like I talked to her, I asked her, Hey, Mary, how
are you? And your one replied and was like oh good, thanks,
are you? Blah blah, blah. But then eighteen eighty eight, like
half a y'all are called Mary. Yeah, true, very true. Now
the most famous suspect is HH Holmes. Yes, for those of you who
don't know, he was a notorious killer in America. He had a medical
degree, which fit the theory about the killer, and he also fits the
description. It is strongly suspected that he was in London in eighteen eighty eight,
around the time of the murders. There is a ship log that has
A H. Holmes heading back to America in November eighteen eighty eight, which
would explain why the murders stopped. And during eighteen eighty eight to eighteen eighty
nine, Holmes did not commit any crimes in America. He did at one
point claim that he was the Ripper, but he was known for lying about
killing people, and he was known like for lying about like he'd be like,
oh, I killed them, and then like the police would go check
it out and the person would be like, no, I'm not dead.
I'm very much Oh God, Okay. Now the EMMO of Jack the Ripper
does not match the EMMO of Holmes. We killed for insurance money, yeah,
and he never wants targeted sex workers, and he did not kill in
a violent way as Jack the Ripper killed. Yeah, he didn't really like
to get his hands dirty from what I remember. No, Unfortunately, we
may never know who committed these horrible, horrific crimes one hundred and thirty four
years ago. Not, my friends, is Jack the Ripper. That was
really good, Thank you. I was very proud of that episode, but
I'm also super excited for the next one. Bye bye way, guys.
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