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Hi, welcome back to give us
mug eve. I'm Megan and I don't

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really have anything to say about this
intro. Just hey back, welcome back,

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miss you when you bugger. So
last week we talked about Jack the

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repeal. I don't know why I
made him sound French because it happened in

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England. But however I talked about
his first three murder victims and I gave

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an insight into wat Chapel at the
time, which is not a good place

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to be living. You don't want
to be there mm hmmm. And if

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you aren't there, you're very fucking
per Yeah, it's not a fun time.

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Oh, I know. We discussed. We discussed whether you would want

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to take a chair or bed.
Yeah, we did for You're like,

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yeah, we did well done this
weekcap is just as much for Megan as

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it is for everybody else. And
I think we said did we say the

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chair? We set the chair?
Yeah, because people were having people were

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bumping ugly in those beds no ew
yeah they were for the night. They

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were like, this is my my
boudoir. There's like ten other people in

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there. Have you ever taught about
bumping uglies? Back in a time when

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there was no daily hygiene. Oh
like before people were having daily showers and

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stuff. Oh god, people weren't
even having fucking weekly showers. No,

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Like, I do not mean to
be crude, but I'm going to imagine

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putting an unwashed penis in your men
hasn't been washed in weekstp it. Oh

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why did you have to say that. I already was imagining the smell,

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like I didn't need the visual.
I'm sorry, I just I had to

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share the visual because I had it
and I had to get it out of

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my brain. And if I was
going to that visual, so the fuck

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are you just traumatizing everybody else listening? Yeah, so Whitechapel is not the

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place to be in the eighteen hundreds. And we talked about his first three

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victims, which were Polly Nichols,
Annie Chapman, and Elizabeth Stride. So

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that was great, and we left
off with a double acent mm hm,

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yes, the double evant. Yes, the double evant. So Elizabeth was

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murdered roughly around twelve forty five am, just for refresh of everybody's memory.

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And she was only when I say
only, like, she was only that

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was my fridge. Oh. Yes, demon demons are back because I was

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researching in demon case and we were
talking about it last week as well.

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Were we were we? Oh,
I think we might have been, or

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was it the week before? It
was recently anyway, he's been summoned.

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Yeah, She's like, oh,
you wanted me whipped it out after one

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vodka. You wanted me just exactly
warnt it. She's like off to the

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side, like yes, so just
to like refresh everybody. She was murdered

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roughly around twelve forty five am.
She was her. Nothing majorly happened to

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her is in regards to what had
happened to Polly and Nickels. To Polly

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Nichols and Annie Chapman, like they
were really brutal deaths, were like fucking

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intestines were everywhere where she was quite
literally just her throat was lit and that

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was pretty much it. There was
like one or two other things, but

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like nothing compared to what happened to
Polly and to Annie and nothing like what

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is about to happen next. Oh
okay, I am going to give her

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trigger warning. I said it last
week and I'll say it again. It

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is very much like that TikTok said. And her arms were cut off,

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and her legs were cut off,
and her feet were cut off, and

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her tongue was cut off, and
her face was cut It gets brutal,

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okay, So I guess I'll just
jump right on in. So, at

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eight thirty am on the same night
as Elizabeth Stride's death September thirtieth, eighteen

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eighty eight, a police officer was
walking his beat and everything was seemingly normal.

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At about one forty four am,
So fourteen minutes later, the same

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officer was making his loop on his
beach, making his way back round,

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and he saw a woman lying on
the ground. Fourteen minutes. It's solid

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talk, It's solid talk. Catherine
Eddowes was born in Gravesly Green, Wolverhampton,

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on April fourteenth, eighteen forty two. She was the sixth kid of

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twelve children to George and Catherine Arrows. The family was moved to London for

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her father's work. She was sent
to school which which wasn't the kind of

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schooling that rich kids got. It
was more so on how to survive in

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a per family. Oh like the
School of hard Knocks, Yeah, pretty

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much like. It was very much
like how to like. It was to

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teach them skills so that they could
try and make a living. Okay,

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it wasn't so much like welcome children
today, we will be talking about economics

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tricks. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. This school was like listen

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you put okay, I'm gonna teach
you how to sell. I'm like,

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I don't teach you how to sell, so you can at least try and

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make some sort of living. I
think I would want to go to that

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school, though, because I don't
know how to fucking sell. Yeah.

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I feel like i'd learn more at
that school, to be honest. Yeah,

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right, I don't want to be
nice, snobby bitch and moves.

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Her mother died of tuberculosis on November
seventh, eighteen fifty five, and then

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two years later her dad died.
In eighteen fifty seven, all of Catherine's

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siblings were separated. The older siblings
were sent to workhouses to pay for the

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younger siblings schools, and then the
younger siblings were like divided into all these

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different schools, right, which were
kind of like orphanage's slash schools if you

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will. Catherine was sent to live
with her aunt and her uncle. She

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got a job and she worked there
like when she wasn't in school, she

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was working. She was eventually fired
for allegedly stealing, and then she got

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another job in her father's old place
of work. Catherine eventually lost this job

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too. She was then kicked out
of her aunt and uncle's house for losing

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her job. Catherine had to move
in with another uncle, but that didn't

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last too long before she was forced
to move in with her grandfather. God,

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this woman is being just this kid. Yeah, like I think she's

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like fourteen when her dad dies or
something like, she's like roughly like fourteen

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fifteen when she's like orphaned. So
she's not old enough to go off into

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these like work houses like the older
siblings. And then she's not young enough

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for like the like schools to take
her in, so she has to like

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go stay with family and work whilst
also getting her education. Her grandfather got

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her a job, but this again
didn't last very long, and it wasn't

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long until she decided that she was
going to move to Birmingham to be with

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a man that she had met when
she was sixteen years old. Thomas Conway

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was a good bit older than Catherine. He was pensioned from the Royal Irish

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regiment. He was irish, just
fyi noise. Thomas sold chap books and

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gallows ballads, which where songs wrote
about criminals that were waiting to be hanged

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for crimes. Oh oh that's yeah. They really have someone for everything,

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don't they. They really do these
days these days. The couple never officially

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got married, but Catherine did start
going by Katherine Conway. The couple had

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two Yeah, sligh, I'm going
to start doing that, you know,

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all of a sudden, I'm just
neave milan. I've just decided that's fine,

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all right, Cool cool. The
couple had two daughters together, and

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Catherine even went ahead and got TC
tattooed on her forearm. God, Catherine,

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you're a fucking hardcore. She was
like, I fucking love you TC.

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I believe it was in like blue
ink or something or like that.

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That's even cooler, Right, what
I'm envisioning, it's probably not at all

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what she had, but what I'm
envisioning is just I'm envisioning like a massive

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TC, Like it's really ornate that
takes of like fucking as much of her

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form. Yeah, Like it's basically
on her forehead at this point. Yeah,

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that's exactly what I'm fixturing. Hangings
were then outlawed all across Britain,

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which meant that the couple lost their
main source of income. They were in

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and out of work houses for money, and both Thomas and Catherine began drinking

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very heavily, like they had no
other source of income but these like Gallows

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ballads, and then when hanging was
outlawed, they were like, oh fucking

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shit, so they just had no
other option but to go into workhouses.

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I just don't understand if you can
be good at writing Gallows ballads, why,

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well, like a Gallows ballad when
I thought about it, because I

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was like, the fuck is a
guve ballad? And then I like googled

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it and like, basically like a
Gallows ballad was like what was written about

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leather Apron in the first episode where
that was like when he was caught.

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I can't even find it, so
I can't even tell you what it was,

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but it was like basically like he
did it, something has to be

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hanged. But it was like wrote
in like a rhythm, you know,

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But why can't you just write other
music? I don't. I don't know,

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Okay, I don't know. Instead, they were like, oh,

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fucking shit, we'll just have to
start drinking really heavily and start entering workhouses.

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The couple had a son in eighteen
seventy three, and from my knowledge,

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they I read like a conflicting One
article said that they had like two

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daughters and two sons, and then
another article just mentioned two daughters and one

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son. So they got kids,
they got kids, okay, when tom

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as I said, they were drinking
very heavily. When Thomas was drunk,

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he would actually beat Catherine and this
led to the relationship breaking down naturally because

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he's a base of a shit fucker
and she got your name tattootnia. Yeah,

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well your initials, but samely.
Catherine and Thomas eventually separated, and

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Catherine took their two daughters with her. She had nowhere to go, so

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she was just living on the streets, so she had to place her daughters

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in with family. Her family were
like, we're not taking you because you're

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a fucking mess, but we'll take
the kids. Oh well that's something.

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Yeah, I was like, to
be fair, she was a bit of

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a mess, so yeah, I
mean she lost all of her jobs all

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the time, so yeah, they
couldn't trust her at that point, No,

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he's supposed to do exactly. Catherine's
drinking worse, and she began working

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the streets as a prostitute, as
a lady of the night. She was

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arrested a couple of times for this
and also for drunken disorderly. This is

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getting like even sadder. Her story
is getting worse. All of these women

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that were murdered, their stories are
so depressing and like sad, and I

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get it. It's a shit time
to be alive in the eighteen hundreds.

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But men, Jeemes, Louise,
Yeah, it's it's rough. Catherine then

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met John Kelly. He was a
salesman. He didn't drink, and he

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was a seemingly nice man who was
besotted with Catherine. Oh that's good for

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her, it's I think. She
was just like, yeah, you're all

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right, and he was like,
you're the love of my life. She

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was like sure, same sees yeah, okay, I mean, do you

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have money? How broke are you
do? It didn't take long for Catherine

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to move in with him. She
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the most part, but would occasionally
answer to Katherine Kelly, which I just

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think is so cruel, like he's
de sodded with her. She's like,

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so my ex husband was like,
pretty cool, it's pretty awesome. You

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want to know how many questions you
can do? And he's like, you

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moved a light of my life,
like she ekesperienced it. Yeah, and

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she's like, did you know tamas
Conway he wrote those gallons? Yeah?

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You heard that one about leather apron. You heard that one. Yeah?

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That was him, That was that
was him, That was him. I

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helped I was there. I shouldn't
mock because this woman's about to have a

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really awful death. I just couldn't
help myself with that. The couple would

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stay in lodging houses together, and
they would also enter work houses together,

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but they would go off and do
their own thing too, so like they

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would basically just go off try to
earn as much money as they could and

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then need up to go stay in
the lodging houses, which I guess is

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like kind of like not that bizarre
for the time, because you just,

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yeah, what are you gonna do? Everybody just needed money so badly that

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it was just like Okay, I'll
meet you at this time at this place,

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and we'll put our money together and
hopefully we'll have enough money for a

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room. By the summer of eighteen
eighty eight, they were common law married,

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which basically meant that they were cohabiting
for so long that they were just

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in the eyes of the government,
they were considered married. Oh my god,

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that's still a thing, because I
really hope it is. Because what

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is a common law marriage? The
term common law marriage or first your relationship

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between two people who decide to go
habitate and present themselves as a married couple

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without the benefit of legal ceremony and
marriage certificate. But how long? Seven

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years? Is it? Actually seven
years? It is? Yeah, So

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you and Ilen common law married.
Throwing February. I'm gonna celebrate the day.

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It was the first of February.
We moved in together seven years ago.

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Okay, the first of February.
We're throwing you a marriage perfect,

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perfect and Jill, the couple got
worked together in Kent to go hop picking,

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which is what it sounds like where
they went and they picked hops for

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the beers. So the couple walked
the forty miles to Kent, did their

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work, stayed there for a few
weeks, and then they walked home back

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to Whitechapel. This had been the
first time that the couple actually spent like

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that much time together, because normally
they would spend like hours a part,

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yeah, trying to like find different
work where this time they were working like

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with one another. It's reported that
they didn't get on so well and that

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they were arguing quite a bit.
They arrived back in London on September twenty

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seventh, eighteen eighty eight, and
John went into a lodging house. Catherine

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went to join a workhouse to try
to earn a little extra money. When

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she got to the workhouse, she
went up to the superintendent and told him

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that she was there to collect the
reward for the White Chapel murders because quote,

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I think I know him. The
superintendent warned her to be careful that

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she didn't end up a victim,
and she replied, quote, don't worry,

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No fear for that, No fear
of that. Ooh no, don't

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like that foreshadowing. Yeah. On
September twenty ninth, eighteen eighty eight,

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Catherine met John for breakfast before going
off to do a few of her few

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bits and pieces, a few jobs
here and there, a few errands.

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They planned to meet up later on
that day, and they did at around

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two pm, and Catherine told John
that she was going to see her daughter

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because she wanted to go ask her
for money, and that she would be

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back more roughly around four pm.
So at around four pm she was back

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in Whitechapel and she was seen on
Prostitute Island, which is basically just like

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an area where Yeah, I know, it's basically just an area where sex

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workers gathered to try get some work. I mean, fair enough, but

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who fucking called it. I'm viewing
it as like an I'm viewing it as

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like a roundabout that like all the
women stood on. I fully imagined a

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full islands like Lost style. Nice. Catherine was described as very drunk and

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was reportedly imitating a fire engine.
Okay, yeah, this is now what

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a fire engine sounded like in eighteen
eighty eight. It's not to my knowledge.

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Can we please search. I'm like, I don't know what I'm expecting

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to be honest, I'm imagining just
some guy hanging off it going we okay,

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horse fire engine nineteen oh eight.
Let's see, Well we're in eighteen

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eighty eight, but I'm sure it'll
be close enough. Yeah, it's literally

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a horse drawn carriage. God,
we all have boddy hats on. That's

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lit. I really want to know
what it Okay, well, this is

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what was reported. Again, I
do not know what a fire engine would

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have sounded like back then. Wasn't
a proper fire engine, was it.

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But how andever, that's what was
reported. So that's what I'm going to

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tell y'all. At around eight thirty
pm, she was arrested by two police

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officers. They had found her lying
on the ground extremely intoxicated. When they

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asked her what her name was,
she replied nothing. She was put in

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a cell and she was left there
to sober up. At twelve thirty am,

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she asked the police officers when they
intended to let her leave, and

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she was told that she could leave
when she was able to look after herself.

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At around one am, she was
discharged and let go. When police

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asked for her name, she told
them it was Mary Anne Kelly of six

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Fashioned Street. Oh doesn't I your
name is it Helenepha? Oh? Well

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yeah. Then as she was walking
at the door of the police station,

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she turned around and said, oh
right, good night, o'cock. Oh

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I feel like that. I feel
like that's a warm greeting for some reason.

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Yeah. I don't see it as
like an insult. I see that

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as her just being like super English. Yeah, like old timey. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah it. At one
thirty five am, Catherine was seen

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walking down a street called Church Passage
by three men. They saw her talking

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with a man of medium build.
He was wearing a gray jacket with a

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red scarf and a gray hat with
peak on it. Catherine had her hands

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on the man's chest. Less than
ten minutes later, Catherine's body was found

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mutilated and disembelled Jesus. Her head
was turned to the left shoulder by her

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with her arms by her side.
Her clothes were above her waist and her

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left leg was extended. Her throat
had been cut and her intestines had been

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removed. They'd been placed lying over
her right shoulder. She'd been cut from

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rectum to sternum. Her right ear
had been cut off. Both eyelids had

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been sliced open. She had a
cush from the bridge of her nose to

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the cheek, to her cheek,
and then down to her chin. The

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tip of her nose had been cut
off. Her lip had been cut in

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half down to her gum underneath her
eyes, where two small triangles had been

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cut out with some skin like flapping
over them. Her left kidney had been

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removed and it was not at the
crime scene. What the hell? Oh

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this is like less than ten minutes
right. The killer had also stabbed Catherine

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in the vagina, liver, and
rectum. He sliced her right tie up

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to her labia. It was concluded
that Catherine had died from her throat being

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cut and everything else had been done
postmortem. A piece of her apron was

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also cut off and taken. Police
believed they'll found the piece of apron about

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ten minutes away from the crime scene, and it appeared as if it was

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used to clean the killer's knife.
Then in any way where the apron had

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been found. Wrote on the wall
in chalk was quote, the Jews are

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not the men that will be blamed
for nothing. Okay, So there's a

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lot of anti seminism during like going
on. Now. I don't talk about

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the policing and the investigating in this
crime because when I tell you it's a

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hot mess, it's a hot mess. But it's eighteen eighty eight and I

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don't expect anything less. Yeah,
fair fair enough, and the like lead

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detective was like, I was unstressedly
I would be do if I was the

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lead detective of the fucking Jackie Ripper
case. Nah, babes, I'm out.

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He's like unstressed. Leave when this
happened. When Catherine Edo's is like

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murdered and he's like fucking like Paris, They're like, you know you got

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to get out. Nah no,
I do not need to go anywhere.

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I amn't going to enjoy my stress. Leave. But so the like officers

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wanted to take a photo of what
was wrote in the chalk like on the

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wall, but it was too dark
to take the photo. They would have

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had to wait a few hours for
it to be led out because obviously this

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is eighteen eighty eight and their chemists
can only do so much. Yeah,

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and so they certain police officers wanted
to wait to take a photo, but

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then like higher up detectives basically made
the decision to wipe it all off the

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wall. Oh, it would have
incited Their claims were that it would have

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incited like something because it was an
anti Jewish remark and like tensions were high

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and he was like, it's got
to get off the walls. Now I

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don't remember like names and stuff,
but basically, like one detective was like,

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can we not just like wipe off
the word jew? Mmm, we'll

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know it says jew. Take a
photo of it and then remove wipe it

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all off. But basically the lead
detective that was there that was like in

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charge, because the actual lead detective
was off and fucking stressed a bat a

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goal, he just basically was like, Nope, remove it and removed it.

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Didn't ideal. That's not the best
scenario. Like, and to be

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fair to like the detectives that was
like, can we not just like remove

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the word jew? We'll know that
it says jew, so we'll know.

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Yeah, because then they're like,
people won't know that it's out and we

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can just take a photo. We
can just say we find it like that,

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but we'll know that it actually said
you. And then that means whoever

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wrote it is possibly the killer.
We'll know it said jew. Actually,

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yeah, that's another point as well. Yeah, that's great, but it's

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eighteen eighty eight. If we've learned
anything about policing in the fucking nineties.

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If it's not good in the nineteen
nineties, it's not good in the eighteen

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hundreds. Before I go any Frida, We'll just take a quick at break

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and we're back. The media and
the police began receiving letters allegedly from the

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killer. I have these letters.
Oh lay it on me baby. On

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September twenty eighth, eighteen eighty eight, the Central News Agency in London received

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the first letter. Now, the
Central News Agency isn't a news it it's

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like head of the news outlets.
So like it's like you have from my

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understanding back then, It's like and
obviously these weren't the newspapers that are around,

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but these are the ones that I
know, So these are the ones

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that I'm going to use. It's
like the Sun and the Mirror are a

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part of the Central News Agency,
right, They're like an umbrella. Yeah.

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Yeah, So they received to the
letter, okay, which people find

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strange because why would they receive the
letter not the actual newspaper. I guess

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to make sure it went out to
every possible source. God of maybe maybe

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The letter was dated September twenty fifth, eighteen eighty eight, and this letter

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is known as the Dear Boss letter. Dear Boss, I keep hearing the

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police have caught me, but they
won't fix me just yet. I have

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laughed when they look up, when
they look so clad and talk about being

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on the right track. The joke
about leather apron gave me real fits.

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I am down on whores, and
I shan't quit ripping until I get buckled

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grant work. The last job was
I gave the lady no time to squeal?

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How can they catch me now?
I love my work and I want

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to start again. You will soon
hear of me with my funny little games.

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I saved some of the proper stuff
in a ginger beer bottle over the

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last job to write with, but
it went thick like glue and I can't

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use it. Red ink is fit
enough, I hope. Hah. The

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next job I do, I shall
clip the lady's ear off and send them

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to the police officers, just for
jolly. Wouldn't you keep this letter back

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till I do a bit more work, then give it out straight. My

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knive's so nice and sharp, and
I want to get to work right away

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if I can get a chance.
Good luck yours, truly, Jack the

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ripper, don't mind me giving the
trade name. PS wasn't good enough to

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post this before I got the red
ink off my hands, criss it no

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look yet they say I'm a doctor
now, ha ha. I don't get

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the PS part, he wrote.
He wrote the letters in red ink,

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and so he's basically like, I
can't get this goose stuff off me.

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We didn't need to know that,
Jack. Then on October first, eighteen

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eighty eight, a postcard was sent
to the Central News Agency. Again there

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there appeared to be blood smeared all
over the postcard, and this became known

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as the Sausage Jack letter. I
was not caught in dear old boss,

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when I gave you the tip,
you'll hear about saucy Jack's work tomorrow.

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Double event. This time Number one
squealed a bit, couldn't finished straight off,

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had no time to get years off
for police. Thanks for keeping last

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letter back until I got to work
again, Jack the Ripper. The next

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letter was sent to the chairman of
the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee, which had been

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set up as an almost like community
watch program that we're like trying to catch

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the murderer fair m The letter was
accompanied with a small package. In the

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package was a little bit of a
kidney, Just a little bit of a

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kidney, just a little bit of
a kidney and buy you a little bit.

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I mean half half a kidney.
Oh, where's the rest of it?

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That's what's scary. Yeah, yep. If you remember Catherine Edams was

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missing her kidney, she was so
this letter is one of the most famous

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letters, and it is the from
Hell letter and it was sent on October

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sixteenth, eighteen eighty eight. Mister
Lusk, sir, I sent you half

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the kidney I took from one woman, preserved it for you to other piece.

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I fry and ate it. It
was very nice. I may send

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you the bloody knife that took it
out, if only you wait a while

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longer. Signed catch me if you
can, mister Lusk, catch me if

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you can, mister Horns. The
kidney was sent to doctor Openshaw or Openshaw

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however you want to say his name, a local pathological creator. He confirmed

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that the kidney was in fact human
and very possibly came from Cathernetto's. It

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was the correct size and it was
from it. I think the kidney was

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taken from her right side, I
think, and this was like a right

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kidney, so they were like,
it's their right shape, the right size,

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it's from the same side, like, it's very like I'd say they

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were probably like ninety nine percent sure
as Cathernetto's. But again, I'm sorry,

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I hit my mic again. It's
eighteen eighty eight, Like they're not

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doing tests like we're doing now,
so they can never be one hundred percent

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sure back then. Yeah, it's
just like it fit. Yeah, it's

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sup puzzled. How many people are
losing kidneys these days, you know,

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in eighteen eighty eight, probably a
lot more than you expect. Yeah,

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you know what, you're probably right
there. But then on October twenty ninth,

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eighteen eighty eight, doctor Oppenshaw received
a letter from Jack the Ripper,

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Old boss. He was right,
it was the left kidney. I'm sorry

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they will it's from the left side, old boss. You was right,

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it was the left kidney. I
was going to operate again and close to

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your close to you hospital. Sorry, the like first two letters are rotten

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wroten on. Oh. The first
two letters are written like properly, and

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then the next few are like written
like really bad. I was going to

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operate. He got confused for operating
hospital. Okay, yeah, just as

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I was going to draw my knife
alonger bloom and throat, then cusses of

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Copper's spoilt the game. But I
guess I will be on the job soon

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and we'll send you another bit of
inards Jack the Ripper. Oh have you

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seen the devil with his microscope and
scalpel a looking at a kidney with a

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slide cocked up? Okay, yep. Now, there's a lot of skepticism

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about how authentic these letters are.
Many people believe most of them are fake,

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and most people believe that the only
letter to be real is the from

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Hell letter. It's the one that
doesn't address himself as Jack the Ripper.

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It's the only one where he just
gives information. Here's a kidney, Like

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it's literally like, here's the kidney. I preserved it. I fired Nat

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the other piece. It was nice. I'll send you my knife if you

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want. I don't know what else
you want me to do. Yeah,

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I am all the other ones.
It's like old Boss and you know,

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like very like theatrical, Yeah,
very it's getting like BTK vibes, like

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naming himself and stuff. Yeah,
and only BTK what do that? Yeah?

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Oh wait, didn't the X Man
of New Orleans. No, he

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didn't. He wrote just ro letters. Oh, he wrote theatrical letters,

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but he didn't name himself the X
Man. I don't think he did.

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His letters are my favorite. His
letters were the shit. Yeah. So

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most people believe that the from Hell
letter is the only one that might be

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real, and that is why it
is the most famous one. So most

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people know about the from Hell Letter. They might know about the rest,

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but a lot of people, like
when you talk about Jack the Ripper,

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know about that one. Then on
November ninth, eighteen eighty eight, the

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last and the youngest victim was found
in her was found mutilated in her bed.

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Mary Jane Kelly was born in eighteen
sixty three in Limerick, Ireland.

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When she was young, her father
moved the family to Wales to try and

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escape the Irish famine. At sixteen
years of age, Mary met John Davis.

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He was a coal miner. Mary
and John eventually got married. Mary

406
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:42.199
then claimed that John had died in
a coal mining explosion, and she then

407
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:46.719
went off and moved to Cardiff with
her cousin, but it is believed that

408
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:52.440
John was still alive. When she
moved to Cardiff, Mary was struggling to

409
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:57.920
make some money, so she turned
to sex work. She claimed that she

410
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:02.159
had spent nine months in Cardiff in
infirmary of a mystery illness, but there's

411
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:07.480
no real report of this, and
then she said that she had to work

412
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:13.239
at the infirmary to pay for her
like hospital bills. In eighteen eighty four,

413
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.719
Mary decided to move to London for
a fresh start. She jumped from

414
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:22.239
job to job, never lasting long. She eventually got a job as a

415
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.119
lady's maid, which essentially just meant
that she was working in a brothel.

416
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:32.320
She was very popular with customers there
and had a lot of regulars. Francis

417
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:37.840
Craig was one of her many regulars, and he was a job as an

418
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:40.239
He had a job as an editor
of a local newspaper, but he had

419
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:45.719
been fired for stealing other people's work. That's no good, don't do that.

420
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.960
I hate when people do that,
I know, right. He asked

421
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.159
Mary to move with him to Paris
where he would get her a job,

422
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:58.559
where he would get her a better
paying job in a gentleman's club. So

423
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.880
she went with him and was like
fuck it, why not. She didn't

424
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.199
last very long and she decided that
she wanted to go home to London,

425
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:10.079
so the couple went so the two
of them came home and they got married

426
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:16.440
on Christmas Eve. The marriage only
lasted about three months before Mary just up

427
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.320
and left Francis. Oh okay,
yep, she moved to the East end

428
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.880
of London. Francis hired a private
investigator to try to find Mary, and

429
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.880
he found her. And when he
found her, she was working the streets

430
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:37.199
as a sex worker. Mary went
on to get work in different brothels.

431
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:43.440
Nothing like all she could kind of
get was sex work, and this enraged

432
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:49.440
Frances and he was at one stage
considered a suspect in her murder. Yeah,

433
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.079
well, he seemed like he need
a real problem with her. Mary

434
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:57.559
began drinking a lot and eventually left
her job at the bottle. She was

435
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:02.880
bouncing around the lodging houses when she
eventually met Joseph Burnett. The couple met

436
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.840
at a pub called the Ten Bells, which is still open to this day.

437
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:14.000
Ah, that's nice. They very
quickly decided to move in together.

438
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:20.159
They rented an apartment at thirteen Miller's
Court, which was a very rough area.

439
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.880
Joseph wanted to be the provider for
the couple. He wanted to keep

440
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:28.400
Mary off working the streets like he
was like, let me work as hard

441
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.840
as I can so you do not
have to go out and work in these

442
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:37.840
like horrific conditions. We bless his
soul. He however, lost his job

443
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:39.960
in the summer of eighteen eighty eight, and the couple had no other choice

444
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:45.760
but for Mary to start sex work
again. By autumn eighteen eighty eight,

445
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.239
the couple had begun to fight a
lot. Mary's drinking had gotten very bad,

446
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:54.199
and she actually began letting friends stay
in the apartment with her and Joseph

447
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:58.760
when they had no money for lodging
houses. And when I call this an

448
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:02.679
apartment, it is not. It's
an eighteen eighty eight apartment. Yeah.

449
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:13.280
It literally fits a single bed,
a chair, and like a circular side

450
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.920
table, small table, and it
has a fireplace in it. And she's

451
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:21.760
like letting friends stay there because they
don't have money for lodging houses. And

452
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:23.599
she's like, sure, just come
spend the night with me, it's fine,

453
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:30.119
And then like Joseph's like, yeah, where where do you expect this

454
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:37.559
to be? Like what? Joseph
eventually had enough when Mary led a woman

455
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.920
that they barely knew stay in the
apartment, and he left Mary in October

456
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:47.639
eighteen eighty eight, which like,
look, I kind of understand you barely

457
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:53.440
know this woman, like you're letting
a stranger stay in our house. They

458
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:59.800
remain friends, though, and Joseph
tried to give Mary money to help her

459
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:05.800
with rent and stuff whenever he had
any spare. That's nice, it is

460
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.480
nice. He went to go see
Mary on October seventh, eighteen eighty eight,

461
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:13.519
and it is believed that he gave
her some money and that was the

462
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:17.599
last time he saw her. Mary
was seen out drinking the next night at

463
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.519
several pubs. She had been seen
a lot with different men that night,

464
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:28.079
and it is believed that she was
late in her rent. So rent was

465
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:31.960
due the like following day and she
was super behind, and so she basically

466
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:35.840
went to work the streets to try
to get as much money as she could

467
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.880
to pay the back rent that she
owed. At around eleven forty five PM,

468
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:44.679
a neighbor saw Mary arrive home with
a man that was described as a

469
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.360
stout man roughly in his thirties.
He had a mustache, and he was

470
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:52.400
hiding a beer under his coat.
How did she know that? I know,

471
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:57.760
right, sleigh neighbors, could this
is also a sleigh neighbors could hear

472
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:01.639
her singing old Irish songs until about
one am. Well, yeah, I

473
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:07.960
mean Dublin's Fair City where the girls
are so pretty. I first set my

474
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:14.719
eyes on sweet Molly alone. If
I ever have a child, I can't

475
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:19.360
name her Molly. Oh you really
can't. Oh, and I like that

476
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:25.440
name. Mary's neighbor that lived above
her woke up between three and four am

477
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.840
as her cat had been startled by
something. That is, when she heard

478
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:37.079
someone shid murder. Oh, but
I heard nothing after that and just went

479
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:46.320
back to bed. Now this indicates
just how rough Whitechapel was that at three

480
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:51.960
in the morning, you're hearing someone's
shape murder and you're just like, oh,

481
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:53.599
what the fuck's going on out there? And then you roll over and

482
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.920
you go by sleep. Yeah.
Yeah, I'd probably do the same to

483
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.559
be fair in Malta. Yeah,
Like it just goes to show like what

484
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.760
they were living in that like to
them, that's just like a fucking nightly

485
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:14.719
occurrence. Yeah. Then on November
ninth, eighteen eighty eight, at around

486
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:19.960
ten thirty am, the landlord's assistant
knocked on Mary's door to collect overdue rent.

487
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:22.880
No one answered, so he went
around the corner to look in the

488
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:28.920
window, and that is when he
saw the rippers last and by far worst

489
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:35.400
crime. Police were called immediately.
They were unable to enter Mary's apartment as

490
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.719
the lock on her door had broken. Her and Joseph had gotten into a

491
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:45.559
fight many months before and it led
to their window breaking. There was only

492
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.000
one window into the apartment, and
it ended up that the window broke,

493
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.559
and that's how they were entering and
exiting. No, that's how they were

494
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:58.280
entering their apartment. So the lock, the lock of the apartment like just

495
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:04.679
locked once you closed the door,
so they could leave that through the door.

496
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.679
They couldn't get back in because they
know key'd get back in, so

497
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:10.280
they were like going back in through
the window to open the door to let

498
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:14.880
the other in. Okay. It
took a while for police to kind of

499
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:16.719
figure it away in because they were
like, hey, do we get in

500
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:23.000
here without like fucking up the crime
scene. So eventually they just hadn't.

501
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:29.800
Eventually police us entered the apartment through
the window. They noticed how hot the

502
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:36.079
room was, and that was because
the killer left the fire blazing, which

503
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:40.239
meant that he was that long gone. Mary's body was lying in the middle

504
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:45.159
of her bed, surrounded by a
pool of blood. Her head was facing

505
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.840
the left. There was a cut
on her throat from left to right.

506
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.719
The surface of her abdomen and part
of her insides were missing and placed all

507
00:43:54.760 --> 00:44:01.079
around the room. The abdomen cavity
was completely emptied of its viscera. Her

508
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:06.840
breasts were cut off and her arms
were mutilated. Her uterus and kidneys,

509
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.639
along with one breast, was placed
under her head. The other breast was

510
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:15.360
beside her right foot. The liver
was placed in between her feet, and

511
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:21.599
the intestines were on the right of
her body, and her spleen was placed

512
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.400
to the left. There had been
flaps of skin that the killer had placed

513
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:30.519
on the table. There was blood
all over the walls beside the bed.

514
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.960
Mary's ears, nose, cheeks,
and eyebrows had all been partially removed.

515
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.880
Her lips had been blanched, Her
vagina was more or less removed from her

516
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:45.719
body. Her heart had been removed
and it was not at the crime scene.

517
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:52.760
After news broke of Mary's murder,
witnesses began coming forward. One one

518
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.360
friend came forward and said that he
had seen her at around two am the

519
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:59.599
night of her murder. She had
asked him for a lend of money,

520
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:04.280
but he was also looking for money
for a lodging house. Mary then went

521
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:08.320
on and found herself another client for
the night, and he was described as

522
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:15.480
all the other sightings of the Ripper
before dark features average build, average height,

523
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:20.800
dark clothing, carrying a package.
The witness said that he followed Mary

524
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:24.719
and her client back to the apartment
and he waited for a while, and

525
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.559
it was basically because she let friends
stay with her. He was like,

526
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:31.519
oh, maybe when she's finished with
the client, she'll let me stay the

527
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:35.400
night, because I have no money
for a lodging house. But he said

528
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:37.840
he was their ages and there was
no sign of anyone coming out of the

529
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:44.440
house, so he just left,
okay. These victims of Jack the Ripper

530
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:51.639
are known as the canonical five.
Some people believe that there are more.

531
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:57.079
There had been two murders in Whitechapel
before the death of Polly Nichols. That

532
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.559
was Emma Smith, who died April
third, eighteen eighty eight, and Martha

533
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:07.159
Tabrum who died August seventh, eighteen
eighty eight. Then there had been four

534
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.360
more murders after the death of Mary, Jane, Kelly Rose, Marlette died

535
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:19.039
December twentieth, eighteen eighty eight.
Alice Mackenzie died July seventeenth, eighteen eighty

536
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:24.880
nine, the Pinchin Street torso which
was found September tenth, eighteen eighty nine,

537
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:32.079
which was basically just a torso found
under a bridge, and Francis Coyle,

538
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:38.119
who had died February thirteenth, eighteen
ninety one. It has always been

539
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:45.519
difficult to find out when exactly Jack
the Ripper started his killing spray and when

540
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:50.119
he ended it. It's never been
discovered who he was or why he stopped.

541
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.000
Some people believe that he moved away. Others think he died or maybe

542
00:46:54.039 --> 00:47:01.039
he was institutionalized. There are many
suspect in this case. I've just picked

543
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:06.719
out a few who I think,
not even who I think did it,

544
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:14.119
just a few that I was like, interesting, Yeah. Montaque, John

545
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:23.840
Droot Montaque was an English barrister who
was not from Whitechapel. Now a lot

546
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:32.320
of people believe that the killer had
to have been from Whitechapel to basically know

547
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:37.519
the streets so well to kill someone
in fourteen minutes and then like never be

548
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:43.880
seen. But you have to know
the streets. But John, although he

549
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.280
wasn't from Whitechapel. He was seen
a lot in the area around the time

550
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:57.760
of the murders. He was described
as sexually insane. Oh yeah, okay,

551
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.639
and under said by ninth eighteen eighty
eight he had killed himself by drowning

552
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:07.519
himself in the River Thams. This
might explain why the murders had stopped.

553
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:14.480
But he's not from Whitechapel, and
to be honest, there was no real

554
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:19.880
reason why people thought he was just
sexually insane. So they're like, imagine,

555
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.199
now you have one partner and they
go around telling everybody think you're secondly

556
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.960
insane. Just so if you got
a little kinky, you got a little

557
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:34.199
freaky with it. Iconic Aaron Kuzminski
was a Polish barber who reportedly heard voices

558
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:39.519
and suffered from hallucinations. He was
sent to an asylum to an asylum after

559
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:45.360
threatening silence with a knife. In
eighteen ninety one, DNA had been tested

560
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:51.079
from a piece of fabric that believed
to have come from Catherine Edo's shawl.

561
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:54.480
It was found to be a match
with Aaron. However, the type of

562
00:48:54.559 --> 00:49:01.760
blood test that was conducted is not
very accurate and is more so used as

563
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:12.360
a way of ruling out suspects,
not a way of confirming. I don't

564
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.760
know a whole pile about DNA,
So that's the best information that I can

565
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:22.320
give you, Okay, fair.
It's also believed that the piece of fabric

566
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:27.760
may not even be from Catherine Edow's
shawl. The material of the fabric is

567
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:32.119
believed to not have been made until
after eighteen eighty eight. But some like

568
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:40.639
rich guy bought this at like auction, and it was auctioned as like Jack

569
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:46.239
the Ripper's victim clothing item, So
that's why he bought it. And then

570
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:50.079
he went and he got it tested, and they were like, yeah,

571
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:57.159
that's got Iron Kazminski's DNA on it, but it doesn't do you know what

572
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:02.679
I mean? It like it might
be his DNA, but it also might

573
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:07.679
be someone with just a similar DNA
pattern. Yeah, was it like blood

574
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:12.679
type that they were looking at,
like ab or I don't really know.

575
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:19.559
From my understanding of it. It's
like me and you, even though we're

576
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:23.480
not related, we could have a
similar like we could have similar markers that

577
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:31.039
make up our DNA and so,
but like Cottle could have completely different markers.

578
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:36.800
And so the type of test would
be done would be to rule cattle

579
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:42.840
out as a suspect, not rule
us in as a suspect. Yeah,

580
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:49.159
I get you. James Kelly had
murdered his wife in eighteen eighty three by

581
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:54.400
stabbing her in the neck. He
was committed to broad More Insane Asylum,

582
00:50:54.840 --> 00:51:00.840
and he managed to escape in early
eighteen eighty eight. He was known for

583
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:07.480
having a strong hatred of sex workers, and police couldn't find him. Oh,

584
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:16.880
it wasn't until he turned himself in
in nineteen twenty seven. Excuse me,

585
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:22.440
nineteen twenty six. I'm surprised you
lived that long. Same and he

586
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:28.679
told police, quote, I've been
on the war path since Broadmoor. He

587
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:34.960
died in nineteen twenty nine from natural
causes, and the only reason most people

588
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:40.159
suspect him is because the way he
murdered his wife. He stabbed her in

589
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.920
the throat, and all of Jack
the Ripper's victims had their throats cut.

590
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:51.320
However, it doesn't explain why he
just all of a sudden stopped but didn't

591
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:57.000
hand himself in until nineteen twenty seven. Yeah, unless you went somewhere else

592
00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:02.719
or got sick or something. Walter
Secret was an artist who was well known

593
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:10.000
for his paintings of prostitute he has. He has very famous paintings. He

594
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:16.880
painted scenes that when you matched them
up with crime scene photos of Ripper murders,

595
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:23.599
they seemed to align. Oh oh, I don't like that. A

596
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:29.920
lot of people believe that this was
Walter's way of leaving clues in his paintings

597
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.320
that he was, in fact Jack
the Ripper. And he has a painting

598
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:38.880
that's called what's called it's called like
Jack the Ripper's Bedroom or something like that.

599
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:45.320
But that's because he was staying in
a room and the woman that ran

600
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:50.280
it was like, this was Jack
the Repper's room. It was indicated that

601
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:54.920
Walter was impotent, impotent, impotent? Why'd I say it like that?

602
00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:02.800
Important? He was in potent,
and that this was why he would attack

603
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.199
sex workers because it reminded him of
his pain of not being able to get

604
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:12.159
it up. Yeah, that's right, just take it out on women.

605
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:16.119
Yeap. Walter's DNA was found on
a stamp from one of the Ripper's letters.

606
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:20.880
Again, it was the same DNA
testing that had been done on Catherine

607
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:27.920
edo'shawl So not at all one hundred
percent. Now we talked about Jack the

608
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:37.920
Ripper letters possibly being fake. Yes, so if they wear fake, it's

609
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:43.599
very believable that he just wrote one
for one of the news outlets for funzies.

610
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:45.039
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So
it's like not at all out of

611
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:49.079
the realm of possibility that he did
write a letter and that that is his

612
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:53.400
DNA on the stamp. It was
strongly believed that it was not Jack the

613
00:53:53.519 --> 00:54:00.239
Ripper, but it was Dring the
Ripper. Oh, I haven't heard this

614
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:06.400
theory. A witness in Mary Jane
Kelly's murder came forward and said that she

615
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:12.519
saw Mary at eight am on November
ninth, nineteen eighty eight. No,

616
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:19.559
not nineteen eighty eight, eighteen eighty
eight. However, Mary was already dead

617
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:23.320
by that stage, because it's believed
she died between three and four am.

618
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:29.440
The witness said that she talked to
Mary and she remembered seeing her again at

619
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:34.400
nine am with a man like She
was like, no, Like I talked

620
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.880
to her, like, I asked
her, hey, how are you like?

621
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:39.360
You know? Look, she was
like, I had a conversation with

622
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:44.360
her, like I saw her.
But the police were like, no,

623
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:53.079
because she was dead, didn't see
her the fuck. This led to the

624
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:59.400
theory that the murderer was, in
fact a midwife. It was commonly thought

625
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:04.880
that the ripper had medical knowledge with
how the organs had been taken out seamlessly

626
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:08.960
and in such a short space of
time. It would not have been questioned

627
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:14.119
if you saw a midwife walking around
with blood in her clothes back in eighteen

628
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:21.519
eighty eight. And it's believed that
what this witness saw was the killer wearing

629
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:25.679
Mary's clothes, walking around pretending to
be her after she murdered her. Oh

630
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:32.159
that's fucked up, right, yeah, personally, Like I don't believe that,

631
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:37.920
but also what an interesting theory.
It's an interesting theory. But like,

632
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:44.199
yeah, I mean people have completely
different faces. Like I could be

633
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:46.960
wearing the exact same clothes as you, and nobody's going to mix up.

634
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:52.880
So the girl that saw her had
only like she knew her, but it

635
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:58.320
only saw her a handful of times, right, and like it was more

636
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:02.599
so of an acquaintance than a friend, and so you know, was like,

637
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:05.559
no, like, I'm pretty sure
it was her that I saw.

638
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:07.800
Like I talked to her, I
asked her, Hey, Mary, how

639
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.320
are you? And your one replied
and was like oh good, thanks,

640
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:13.960
are you? Blah blah, blah. But then eighteen eighty eight, like

641
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:19.159
half a y'all are called Mary.
Yeah, true, very true. Now

642
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:27.679
the most famous suspect is HH Holmes. Yes, for those of you who

643
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.960
don't know, he was a notorious
killer in America. He had a medical

644
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:36.559
degree, which fit the theory about
the killer, and he also fits the

645
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:43.800
description. It is strongly suspected that
he was in London in eighteen eighty eight,

646
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.159
around the time of the murders.
There is a ship log that has

647
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:52.440
A H. Holmes heading back to
America in November eighteen eighty eight, which

648
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:59.280
would explain why the murders stopped.
And during eighteen eighty eight to eighteen eighty

649
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:06.400
nine, Holmes did not commit any
crimes in America. He did at one

650
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:09.239
point claim that he was the Ripper, but he was known for lying about

651
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:14.199
killing people, and he was known
like for lying about like he'd be like,

652
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.159
oh, I killed them, and
then like the police would go check

653
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.719
it out and the person would be
like, no, I'm not dead.

654
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:25.360
I'm very much Oh God, Okay. Now the EMMO of Jack the Ripper

655
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:30.440
does not match the EMMO of Holmes. We killed for insurance money, yeah,

656
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:36.239
and he never wants targeted sex workers, and he did not kill in

657
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:42.400
a violent way as Jack the Ripper
killed. Yeah, he didn't really like

658
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:46.440
to get his hands dirty from what
I remember. No, Unfortunately, we

659
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:52.599
may never know who committed these horrible, horrific crimes one hundred and thirty four

660
00:57:52.719 --> 00:58:00.760
years ago. Not, my friends, is Jack the Ripper. That was

661
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:05.559
really good, Thank you. I
was very proud of that episode, but

662
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:09.719
I'm also super excited for the next
one. Bye bye way, guys.

663
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:15.480
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664
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:21.480
at all doing all of the episodes. I've don't do the research, but

665
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:27.400
you you edit it, and i'd
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666
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:30.679
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668
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669
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:44.719
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684
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685
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super appreciate you guys. We really
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686
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:07.639
mm hmm. Doping mess fireworks such, it's dangerous. Don't and make sure

687
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:14.679
you check all your mars bars for
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688
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:20.440
enjoy, enjoy. I had a
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689
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Okay, we'll see you on the
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690
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