WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.120 Hello how about very good afternoon, I am Karian Ramirez and we are on 2 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:06.440 one more radio broadcast the design in your ears here in the new season of 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:11.759 the year that we are broadcasting from capo worked here in San Luis Potosí one 4 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:15.519 hundred and thirteen b. So come and take a little turn at this shorrum 5 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:18.920 full of high design, of furniture, of high design. So come and 6 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:22.160 take a little turn' cause it' s amazing. And I am very 7 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:26.000 happy, because he is not only an architect who I admire very much, 8 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:29.039 but also a great friend of mine that I have already known for several years. 9 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:35.600 I think an earthquake brought us together basically how Rodrigo is Hi How nice 10 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.719 to be here again. Thank you very much, Karen, for inviting me 11 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:41.719 and this and not good was not even an earthquake. It was before the 12 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:44.799 earthquake of two thousand seventeen and I was going to make a jacobo to Blue 13 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:46.719 Dodsky. Right, no, no, no, well, I don' 14 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:52.280 t know you, you remember well, but you were good to us, 15 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:57.039 because you used to interview and supposedly that episode we recorded before. It was 16 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:00.119 on 19 September. Your birthday. So, it' s yes, not 17 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.159 like that, then it' ll be this one. We' re going 18 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:06.560 to everything as it is 19th September, not then, hello, it' 19 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:08.599 s six o' clock in the afternoon and we' re here very funny 20 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:11.799 and we fell from the earthquake. And I didn' t know if the 21 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:14.359 episode came out anymore. No, yes, it came out like that, 22 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:17.480 obviously. It wasn' t the 19th. It didn' t have to 23 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:21.439 be another day, obviously because of the catastrophe. But yeah, I mean, 24 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:25.280 it was like those sunny days, yeah, sure, yeah, so 25 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:29.680 I make them talk like that. Nothing happened here. Nothing happened to the 26 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:36.879 remote. Aha hours before in very iconic theory, how we met for this 27 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:41.040 father. How good you' ve been on ten radios, how many times 28 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:42.040 you' re under stress. I think it' s the third one. 29 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:45.680 No yes and I don' t know why people still don' t place 30 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.959 you well. Ah it is not that, that is, they place the 31 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.519 name of your office well, but to give predi and who is Rodrigo Velas 32 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:55.760 Yo, whether Lusio is called as I or not exactly, Ahorita, we 33 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:57.359 give them the nets again. Yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly because right 34 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.200 now, you' re just like yourself. Yeah, I' ve got 35 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:05.480 a little bit on my own. Uh- huh Exactly with Juan. Yeah, 36 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:07.879 ' cause when I met you, you were in another office. I 37 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.719 was in another office and then I was alone for a while and then I 38 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:16.120 was associated with another architect for a couple of years and I was four years 39 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:21.560 ago. Yes, if time flies by that, if four years ago it 40 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:23.759 was the pandemic, yes, then the three. Yeah, well after the 41 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:27.280 pandemic, okay, yeah, let' s go three. We' ve 42 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:30.439 worked with Michelangelo. Yeah, I mean, anyway, three years. I 43 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:34.599 ' m already getting too fast, not too fast, but first I want 44 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:38.599 the new audience, because apart they already listen to us a lot in France 45 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:40.400 why. I don' t know. Greetings to France, greetings to Peru, 46 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.000 greetings to Colombia, because I don' t know why. But we 47 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:46.400 ' ve come as long as well, because it' s the nice father, 48 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:47.719 yes, it' s the beautiful thing about the Internet. There are 49 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:53.759 no exact limits to the Internet of things. So I want you to meet 50 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.240 that audience and tell me who Rodrigo Velasco is. That' s the usual 51 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.400 question he starts with. Of course, I always answer it the same way. 52 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:07.639 Well, I' m basically Rodrigo. Not everyone knows me as a 53 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:13.560 robbery. Rodrigo a robbery more than anything. I am an architect, I 54 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:19.919 work as an independent evil, although with some stages there of successions and whatever, 55 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.719 but from two thousand ten I am a good architect. I have a 56 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:35.120 master' s degree at the UFC of Catalonia. So what else am I 57 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:40.120 dad am friend game, well, I' ve played it already I play 58 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:46.520 that things talk long true, but good and right now for matters there of 59 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:50.680 personal organization, because I have left there a little bit to the team, 60 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:52.240 but it will take it safe again. Yeah, coming up. Okay and 61 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.159 then pretty intense. I' ve gotten into a lot of things that I 62 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:59.120 don' t know how to get out of, but I always end up 63 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:02.560 in fun. He was a book teacher, too. I' ve been 64 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:05.599 in class for many years. I really liked it. There' s no 65 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:10.719 good a normal guy. Pretty active, I' d say, yeah, 66 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.920 pretty hyperactive, little, anxious little. You say listen, but what a 67 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.920 father he hears, how is it that you, at some point you said. 68 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:23.079 OK. I' m going to line up with architecture, I' 69 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:26.319 m going to pick this, this one, because look at the story. 70 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:31.000 It' s already preached it to you too, but it' s funny 71 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:38.439 me in this way of vocational disorientation, I don' t know, as 72 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:42.160 for many stages not moment that is oral philosophy, until I realized that my 73 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:45.639 professor of philosophy, of preparing vacuum cleaners on the boards to be able to 74 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:50.879 pull out and I said this at some point, this thought right, right. 75 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:58.160 Ten minutes is until I met a lawyer and said no goes with me, 76 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:04.360 this one tried to be a marine biologist. I wasn' t interested 77 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:06.879 in that I saw sea wolf. But because I had to move more Atlantis 78 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:11.879 and I was personal and you were going to move to Mazatlan. Mazatlan, 79 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.759 for Ra had more Atlantis. Well, yeah, well, I don' 80 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.920 t know if I' d met you there in our Mazatlanta quates, but 81 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:23.399 it' s a very beautiful north place, incredible, well, and now 82 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:24.360 you' ve left it even more beautiful in my place. Happy you would 83 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:26.040 have stayed there. I' m going to stay more atlán. But, 84 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:30.360 well, there' s family business. I couldn' t Ok the kid 85 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:32.680 I wanted to be an inventor. Okay, no, I made my toys. 86 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:38.519 I was good at it, I' m still, because that doesn 87 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:42.079 ' t take away an only child. Then I had to arm my worlds 88 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:46.680 and my things. And I would wake up in the morning with a hyperactive 89 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:54.040 face. They would wake me up in the morning to see what Ok was 90 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.199 doing and see what my mom was with, that is, she was my 91 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:58.920 parents. Suddenly, one day came and the whole room was full of threads 92 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.920 everywhere, like a web, because I didn' t think of it. 93 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.199 I don' t know players. Mine, yes, of course it was 94 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:11.399 with my dolls and they' re going over to the other side of the 95 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:13.879 salt so, well, I was always making up my nineteen of my stuff. 96 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.800 I understood at some point that I wanted to do something creative and in 97 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:24.319 the end, in all this everything, this going and coming and going and 98 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:30.319 so on, I ended up being either a film director or an architect, 99 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:32.279 ok a communicator. No, because the cinema at the time was a little 100 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:36.720 more difficult. There were two schools, the CUEC and the CSC, and 101 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:41.519 both, as they entered was already more like a specialization than a career. 102 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:46.240 So what plan was to study communication and then the CSC or go my architecture 103 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.839 and see what else was going on. Then, then, when I came 104 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:54.720 to the FILA to choose a career, I was told, yes, very 105 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:56.639 good name, such, such, such, such, such, admission exam, 106 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.800 very good to what career. Well, I don' t know, 107 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:06.000 but I got a quarter. I threw it in the air, good eagle 108 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:09.319 or the other way around. Not anymore, I remember. Aguila was communication, 109 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:13.720 only architecture or upside down aha came out architecture. Here I am looking 110 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:15.879 not, very happy and very good, that is, and also very aware 111 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:20.319 that the coin would have gone out backwards, because it would be very happy. 112 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:25.879 Being I don' t know if film director, really not, but 113 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:28.839 the next mine yesterday Iñarri you say no, because I was no longer not 114 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:32.519 now it was multiverse, it came out from the other side to the best 115 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.680 and this, and yes, maybe this would have been bitch loves or made 116 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.199 me love cats. But, well, by the end of the day, 117 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:40.279 he would have left the other side, I know he would have been just 118 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.920 as happy. Not sure, at the end of the day the joke is 119 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.000 more to find love in what you do, not what they' re looking 120 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:53.279 for, but yes, I mean, if you found yourself in that career 121 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:56.560 in the years to come at the university, because not the three that I 122 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.560 would have lost you to, it' s just that many people say a 123 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.680 lot about saying I' m going to choose this career, but okay, 124 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:03.879 what I' m doing here, you know what happened to you. Not 125 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.800 me what I think. Well, I do say if many times, especially 126 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:09.959 in the architecture race, in the early mornings, in the early mornings at 127 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.600 three in the morning, you say that chinga or güey, I should not 128 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.560 be asleep here at partying, from being elsewhere, like the law, like 129 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:22.199 it' s good like any other, but at the end of the day 130 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.079 of the jokes you end up finding it, that is, you end up 131 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:28.560 finding in the passion to what you do. That is clear and it is 132 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:33.799 not for me, it would not have been very different to study communication than 133 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:39.639 to study architecture. By the end of the day, in both I would 134 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.759 be looking to create something or generate something. The only difference is the tool 135 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.320 And if you get to see it, not cold, the architect' s 136 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:52.840 shamba and the film director' s shamba are very similar. Yeah, because 137 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.960 you' re working with a lot of people around to achieve an end and 138 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:03.360 you don' t have areas, you don' t have schedules, and 139 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:05.519 you have a lot of broncas and stress. And that' s clear, 140 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:07.440 but that at the end of the day enriches what you do. Of course 141 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:13.159 it' s not like a job, but on the contrary, it' 142 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:18.600 s not things that are enriching and that the fact that you' re looking 143 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:20.000 for and seeing the way things work out makes the product even much richer. 144 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:26.279 The way I see it, no, but the chamba process is very similar. 145 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:31.600 Ok, yes, no, sane architect is directing the work of good 146 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:37.879 back an idea of clear origin that is being polished and developed until there came 147 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:43.759 a moment of a production such as no longer of a cinematic production, with 148 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.200 the architectural production, no, but then, that develops until God wants to 149 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.600 come to a good conclusion, of course, hears and how it was since 150 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:56.639 you left the university bubble and already faced the real world, how it was 151 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:01.600 that, what you did, what your step was. It' s just 152 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.639 that I didn' t stay in the bubble, okay, no, that 153 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:09.240 ' s me. The truth is that I, in my case, started 154 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:16.399 working from practically the prepa or architect and rocked it to every bastard. No. 155 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.919 And there, then, I learned a lot and not during the whole 156 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.200 race, because there was lapsus in which I became a little bit, a 157 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:33.159 little silly, well, not silly, but I preferred to be a little 158 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:39.639 bit more involved in school I didn' t work, but I practically worked 159 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.399 the whole race and from a little earlier. Okay, so this one I 160 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:46.840 worked some touched my uncle. Then I got out. Then I was working 161 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:52.960 in some architecture offices. Then I had as the social housing roll and I 162 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:58.480 got into a social housing developer to understand how the game is, how the 163 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:05.200 game was at the time. And then when I left, I had a 164 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:13.960 little idea. The truth is that the school is still a teacher and I 165 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:20.200 tell my students, the school at the end of the day doesn' t 166 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.960 teach you enough, that is, I teach you a few bases, it 167 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:31.600 gives you a bibliography, it takes you as along certain paths. But this 168 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.639 is really a trade and the trades are learned as the shoemaker teaches him his 169 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:45.440 apprentice in the offices. There has to be architectural apprentices, because where you 170 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:50.840 really understand how to make a façade cut or what it serves for or a 171 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:56.480 cutting or not in the office. And, therefore, the play. If 172 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:00.399 you come and make the plan and take it to the mason and the bathroom 173 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.399 doesn' t understand, it' s just not right. Your exact chomba. 174 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:05.720 So, as much as a teacher comes in and says yes, very 175 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:13.000 nice, you have eight you don' t really serve clearly. It' 176 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.639 s interesting, because it' s reality, that is, it only gives 177 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.080 you certain bases, but you really learn in the real world to be a 178 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.519 clear architect and not conforming to the march. And the thing is when you 179 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:24.759 ' re going to learn exactly what happened to me a little bit when you 180 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:31.240 worked that I was desperate with school because I said I put on a wake 181 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.679 - up call to end a model, because a slug comes in like I 182 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.080 am now in that position. No, and say, oh, it' 183 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.759 s very nice. You' re nine, or you' re eight or 184 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.519 you' re seven, and then you' ll take pictures to the model, 185 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:50.159 if you leave, if you don' t get rites in the closet, 186 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.399 then it' s clear. True, it is true and, instead, 187 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:56.440 when I was in the offices, especially since it was good. I 188 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:01.799 ' m revealing you to make this plane, which, maybe it' s 189 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.320 a very simple plan to wake up. I' m telling you, cutting 190 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:07.919 off a flat that' s kind of simple, but I know that tomorrow 191 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:13.480 I' m gonna take it to the contractor, the mason, whoever it 192 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:13.120 is, and in three four days I' m gonna see it. There, 193 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.440 then, maybe no one will peel it, but I know that, 194 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.600 in fact, all I had at that time to make that flat clear is 195 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:28.559 then. Well, yes, it has, like other things, the school 196 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.759 environment, but well, the other day and now that you' re a 197 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:37.159 teacher, how you see the new generations of architects, how you visualize them 198 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:43.480 your different. Not complete. Everybody changes. The world changes very fast. 199 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:52.799 No, and obviously, people change, processes change, new tools are going 200 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:58.879 to make everything change, not make it much faster. No. And that, 201 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.720 then, has me excited. No. And the kids, so, 202 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.240 that is, the students, live in this different way. No, I 203 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.519 mean, I got a generation that I really appreciate because it touched me a 204 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:18.159 little bit like that transition between the old school this one and not really, 205 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:22.240 of course, that is, yes, yes, yes. It was my 206 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.440 turn to see your office of my uncle drawing by hand. Not clear and 207 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.799 I learned to draw by hand and when there was no need to do, 208 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.559 I also told rale Look don' t hold on to the Jesus heroy. 209 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.360 Besides, I' ll give you the hero for anyone who doesn' t 210 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:41.759 know. It was a series, it was a game with a series of 211 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:45.919 grills aha and a little something that was like three ducks that told him. 212 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.200 I don' t think you' re from the big cangres, the crab, 213 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.080 it was the crab. So you were copying the letter- by- 214 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.039 letter rule to put it in the plan. Literally, Mira used to call 215 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:03.679 me. Here' s the heroy, here' s the newspaper copy this 216 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:09.000 newspaper article today and there it is. He didn' t catch him again, 217 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:09.600 uh, I don' t know if he did, right now. 218 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:13.120 I had to grab it in the first semester of the race, but no 219 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.639 more to know what it was and how it worked. From there. He 220 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.360 never caught him again in my life. Not then did that touch me and 221 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.639 then I' ve touched all your amazing technological changes. From what I' 222 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.519 m saying, the wire lotus touched, that' s already walking. No, 223 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:31.559 no, I' m so in the rain. It doesn' t 224 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.200 change and it was very old school and I didn' t use it. 225 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.679 But the car wasn' t known, it already existed, it was already 226 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.919 walking. Okay, so, right now, because the new generations already have 227 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:50.440 all the tools, but they' re tools, okay, they don' 228 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.399 t understand your account, they have tools, they' re tools, they 229 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:58.519 ' re different. No, it doesn' t mean that now this artificial 230 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:03.039 intelligence and mid jorn I do you a project or that Architectures or the program 231 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:06.600 East of Herzoki of meurunque still doesn' t come out make you the architecture. 232 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.200 Yeah, no, that' s for me that' s new to 233 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:12.960 me, because I, when I went to college, I was taught as 234 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:17.919 the basics that we were right now with the heroy, but I was already 235 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:19.440 introduced to the rev autoca and everything was already full, I mean, it 236 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:22.960 was already a matter as such. But right now for me it' s 237 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:26.240 very new about artificial intelligence that they' re already starting to use. And 238 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:27.480 it' s like it gives me the laugh, because what is re- 239 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.679 evitating now came vi aha. No, well, I, without knowing how 240 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:37.519 I handled it at the University because I handled the kikat Ahah, that little 241 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:40.279 Necio boy had his mac and didn' t want to trade the MAC for 242 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:45.080 a PC. Then he wanted to check that what program there was of Paloma 243 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:47.879 architecture, which he found the Arkika and found to be a new format. 244 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.919 And then I never revealed myself again, okay, but at the end of 245 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.919 the day it' s a tool, yes, of course, and now 246 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:57.200 there' s the thing about schools teaching REVIT when it' s not something 247 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:00.159 new. He explained yes, no, it' s not something new, 248 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.759 but it' s already something that like a clear tool, already glued by 249 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.119 the architect. Basically I still don' t understand, because there' s 250 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:10.039 no REVIT for MAC. I still don' t understand. If anyone in 251 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:12.759 the public can tell me that, please explain but no, I don' 252 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:18.480 t understand, I have no idea, but I say there are other Bian 253 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.000 Panama programs that KANT works very well. I think that each story is much 254 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:27.039 more friendly and more malleable than what can be real. But, well, 255 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:32.440 like neither of us sponsors us exactly. But greetings, greetings, Ojala, 256 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.640 hopefully, we are sponsored Exist in Mexico salutes, yes, well. We, 257 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:38.759 in the office, take up revits, but suddenly I don' t 258 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:42.119 know. You know I' m like at the event, at the event, 259 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.359 all of a sudden and I have to chamberle too at the event, 260 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.480 and it' s that chup is also very good. No yes, it 261 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:53.680 ' s mac I think the joke of these tools is that you don' 262 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:57.839 t need to be in the same place anymore. I mean, when the 263 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:02.599 little things were hand and the other day I' ve given a developed talk. 264 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:03.920 Not to them and taught them that not because things were a hand, 265 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:10.279 it was still lifes with five hundred cartoonists, not to do a project and 266 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:14.640 all of a sudden they lenk autto cal and those five hundred become two hundred 267 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:18.400 fifty, not even ten, no or two, yes, yes, yes, 268 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:22.319 yes, ok not right now with all these technologies, what happens is, 269 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.000 because you can do it among three people the same job and it doesn 270 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.279 ' t even have to be in the same place. If not, I 271 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:32.240 mean, you' re connected in the cloud and everything works in the cloud 272 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.599 and the client from the cloud b what you' re doing and all of 273 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.720 a sudden, the contractor checks it out and makes notes and pops up in 274 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:45.759 a moment, that is, it' s much more malleable and much better, 275 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:47.400 much more not better, I mean, it' s different. So 276 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:52.240 how you' re free, no, and that' s the technology to 277 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:56.039 do things a lot more to him, to do theories, so it takes 278 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:00.079 less time and you' re happier. Yeah, it' s time you 279 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.640 do it in less time and it' s stress, of course, yeah, 280 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:08.079 exactly less people. And now with artificial intelligence, you' re not 281 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:14.000 going to have to be looking at plant options for weeks. Or, well, 282 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:15.920 we' re weeks away, because it' s a lot, but 283 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.039 it' s several days because it' s going to give you options very 284 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:19.880 fast, of course, they' re tools. He' s not gonna 285 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.880 take our champagne off. No one, yes, that' s me too, 286 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.640 as well as at first. It was like a shock to see that, 287 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.160 but you already understand that you' re always going to need the human 288 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:32.759 because he' s there, that is, the architect must be there. 289 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:34.680 Yeah, there' s a meme not that said the client never knows what 290 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:38.559 they want. You don' t have to make an exact prompt. Great 291 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:42.519 intelligence, which is exactly what you have to do. He doesn' t 292 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:45.799 know exactly what they want. So if you' re going to need an 293 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:47.640 architect who can weigh. Indeed, that is what keeps me very calm. 294 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:52.319 The truth is, we' re gonna survive. Don' t worry very 295 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.839 well hear and you' re making r architects right now what projects you have. 296 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:04.759 We' re just finishing up some remodeling, not an apartment. We 297 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:10.599 ' re working in a house in or coyoacá that brings us there funny, 298 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:15.880 what a father this isn' t. We' re tearing out buildings from 299 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:22.200 an apartment building and we' re seeing what else comes out that' s 300 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:26.200 not so good then this we walk there also with a side project of a 301 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:32.680 bin workshop we walk there always seeing active sewn and seeing how we fill the 302 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:37.599 time. All right. Hey also another tool that' s very top right 303 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.400 now. I think it' s print three d and you' ve been 304 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:48.559 using it yes yes, look at prototype people playing themselves. The truth is 305 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:53.440 that everything starts playing and starts gossiping and seeing what works. Not this one, 306 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:56.880 too. At the time I was sharing an office with a friend putting 307 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:02.319 together bouquets that came with the first one and said what this is. Then 308 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:06.680 this one doesn' t. Within my work process, my process, especially 309 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:11.160 the conceptual part, does go a cascade there of options ok is not suddenly, 310 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:18.119 for example, not for a building that we finished a little bit ago 311 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:27.680 the schematic. Fifty models of the original models, the first choices of things 312 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:36.119 as mafufas as a cer circles, squares, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, 313 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:41.519 appeared in your lu. Why nothing is right. Well, I' m 314 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:48.720 sorry to make basic geometric shapes. It has to make basic geometric shapes and 315 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.799 things that I had neither feet nor head until somehow you' re polishing until 316 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.759 you end up with three choices. And for this, because I' ve 317 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:03.400 always made models ok and made models by hand And now I' ve learned 318 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:08.640 or you' ve taken the habit of starting to make these models in print, 319 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:14.960 three of ok and that you, I mean, really learned it and 320 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:18.519 it was a very beneficial tool for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 321 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.680 yeah, yeah, I mean, this is actually that I thought it was 322 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:25.240 something like a lot more complicated. But he learns very simple, very fast. 323 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.519 I, I would have process because at first, when I was going 324 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:33.480 to your new office, well, not so much anymore, I already have 325 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.319 a couple of are that aside, it' s a great office, yes, 326 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.920 it has a great story. Everyone has a good story. So you 327 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:44.480 ' re in a building at Xack Brights. It' s amazing, yeah, 328 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:47.599 and besides, that was also Xack Broide' s office. Some time 329 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:52.720 and then the pandemic came and there was a transfor a transfusion there, yes, 330 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:56.440 there was, yes, not a mutation, a rare mutation to a 331 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:00.359 bra boat clandestine, that the good thing is that already yes, yes, 332 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:03.480 yes, yes, that is, I have there exposed, but now it 333 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:07.000 is already dispatch, already, the office also the Bartlandestinos. Ah no good, 334 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:11.079 but already, but already more pi call you, yes, I have. 335 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:17.039 I' ve got the penu in the office calling the GNTA. I 336 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:19.440 love it because the partners that I' m not going to say their names, 337 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:27.920 because it was clandestine, not or no longer this office, not the 338 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.119 address below clandestine bar, literally the slightest doubt that it was a pas yes, 339 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.200 yes, yes, exactostino, until the neighbors decided that it would no 340 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:40.119 longer be him. I know that and that cycle already had you in a 341 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:41.839 great place. You' re in a great place, yes, I' 342 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:45.720 m very happy. There to see you, you' re on the ground 343 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:52.119 floor of Amsterdam circuit, yes, and it' s amazing because apart from 344 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.599 there you have a super simple urbanization situation, yes, but it works, 345 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:03.039 which is a bench. Yeah. Now, not for a while. In 346 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:08.359 my case, this idea of architecture as an object has not stopped drawing my 347 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:15.400 attention. Not now I see architecture in a different way and it' s 348 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:18.839 Juan' s carral calls it out of walls. How the architecture also works 349 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:23.839 from walls outwards. And in these in this architecture of walls outwards, you 350 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:29.039 also have to see the sidewalk, the street, the neighbor, of course, 351 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:34.039 the camelón, all this roll. No, and I casually say why 352 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:37.640 I don' t say that. Obviously Lois Isac didn' t do it 353 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:41.240 ourselves. But outside there' s a little bench and I' m taking 354 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.359 my students with me I have a class where I take them for a walk 355 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.440 around Amsterdam. I' ll show you a couple of projects. One is 356 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:52.160 this bench, another is a gym that is outside the ky El over Amsterdam, 357 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.079 which is the way you make this wall architecture out. How can you 358 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:06.160 do something that works for the Community? No, in what way you can 359 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:11.960 make your architecture not just, not an exclusive architecture, not as it is 360 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:18.759 handled, especially throughout the developers to make it an inclusive architecture. Not in 361 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:26.559 what way? And that generates the other day we were talking about it with 362 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:27.839 park I had the movement after you said it ah of course, yes, 363 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.039 yes, yes, the first attempt of this talk not that Eduardo Micha. 364 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:37.319 Yes with Eduardo Micha. And that is precisely what a whole series of events 365 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:44.799 take place that you do not have programmed, that you have not thought about 366 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.920 and that enrich the whole Community before the area. No, then we have 367 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.200 that little bench We open the windows. A lot of times I don' 368 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:55.039 t. I used to say to him that we were like the pandite in 369 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:59.240 CHAPULTEPEC, because people would pass by and see us working there and Abel would 370 00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:03.720 stop and so would those who do no and this and suddenly they would talk 371 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:10.079 to us or not. Or I say suddenly students of architecture saw us and 372 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.440 they are architects. We can go in and see the office, because it 373 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.599 does happen from no and it is beautiful. But well, there with this, 374 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.279 because we have also sat on a lot of things that happen on the 375 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:25.400 bench, not since not couples that start, couples that bring the infidelities, 376 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:30.119 close my leisures that well, then you are happy there in the gossip. 377 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.599 I would be very happy the truth of pure gossip and my dad stoned the 378 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:40.440 truth alone. Last time we did the show for being gossiped exactly, really. 379 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.920 This is the second chance. In fact, this show should have been 380 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:52.640 out a few weeks ago, but it won us the gossip. He won 381 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.920 us the gossip. But that happens right away. Well to what we said 382 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.200 in this process that I had gone to your office na already at the beginning, 383 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:04.000 when you just got there to the space that now is office. Everybody 384 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.079 ' s got jabus. We' ve got that one where it doesn' 385 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.079 t get there. And it' s not like here and the DJ and 386 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:14.200 here and here and here I don' t know what and here they were 387 00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.119 painting and here was Nuccio with the p Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah, 388 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:18.079 yeah, yeah, she' s really weird. The truth could have 389 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:23.720 taken you the first few days. This one was hard for me to visualize 390 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:29.599 as my office. Yeah, yeah, fit in, he used to call 391 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:33.039 me ay no cua. There' s no chela ja beer here It' 392 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:37.359 s not chelas time Monday morning at nine and there' s a tip, 393 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.440 the shawl. No, yeah, it' s not funny apart, I 394 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.400 faced that one, too. Well, don' t face it if I 395 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:49.039 didn' t find out that that rook who was discovering just using the three 396 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.839 - d machine already after a few months later I went back and already the 397 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:56.039 more you had been arming you sent ay no longer print ah look right now. 398 00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.519 Yeah, I mean, he was already the technician. Well, it 399 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:02.960 has to be said that that' s why I decomposed the machine several times. 400 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.440 Okay, I mean, it' s not like that I grabbed her 401 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.440 no, no, I didn' t arm her disarmed her I broke her 402 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.839 off I fixed her and this and the good thing is that I found an 403 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:21.720 angel from the guard named Erick, who is a master' s degree from 404 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:22.960 three o' clock in Oklar. Then when suddenly I already had enough screws, 405 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:29.400 Erick, you can see wey fixing it, but yeah, yeah, 406 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:34.640 yeah, I broke it down a lot of we spres fixing what. But 407 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.920 if you learned ah not clear embracing lamb you learn clear to everything, eh 408 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:42.799 kick for everything. It' s amazing, it' s great, and 409 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:47.200 you keep making impressions of three of your own with the impressions three d It 410 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:52.279 ' s amazing, that father, no, and I have a lot of 411 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.400 fun because apart, because the truth is that he gives me and there' 412 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.920 s a boy who came in making models, Alejandro Flores, who well listens 413 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:00.920 to us and this one then in the model is already a little bit doing 414 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.680 other things. But he' s doing other things because the trip printer came. 415 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.559 Not what you do then already, why not, that is, why 416 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:10.880 I give you instructions to do the model. If I already put on the 417 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.480 model, I didn' t already tell them the other day that, luckily 418 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:15.720 I didn' t run it. But I mean, and listen to what 419 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.960 you think you' re already bloated because a three- thousand printer comes in 420 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:22.079 and comes out like a sissy, comes out like a wither. Hey, 421 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.920 there' s Father. Good thing you got that, that kind of tool 422 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.359 in your office. Yeah, and what happens is that you also have to 423 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.279 be alive, not seeing what' s new and what' s accommodating you 424 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.880 in your process and what' s going to be more agile in your process? 425 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.279 What' s more agile in your process? I mean, does it 426 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:47.200 give me the chance to make a lot of models very fast, not without 427 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:53.000 using the time, that is, using less time for that task? Not 428 00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.880 sure, there' s time left for other things that are going to enrich. 429 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.480 Of course, it' s amazing. It' s good that you 430 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:06.400 have these processes and that you' re going to update them in some way 431 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:07.720 to sort of be on the order of the day. But at the end 432 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.000 of the day they are also processes that are being complemented, because the cro 433 00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.720 is by hand. We didn' t leave him. The first options are 434 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:22.240 still rule and pencil and it' s there. We' re not going 435 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.640 now. Yes, that between analog and digital is a combination of a basic 436 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.519 process. Yeah, yeah, new ones. We' re just art, 437 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:34.480 you have so many tools, it' s crazy to marry a yes no. 438 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.960 For example, we in the office, when they get to ask us 439 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:42.119 to do the internships and they already want to do it all with review wins 440 00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:48.319 anana here you will learn to do a sunning with ruler and with transporter and 441 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:51.799 with this all the basic tools to do it in hand. And we' 442 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.480 re already seeing them. Just as and because these madmen are going to be 443 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:57.920 able to make sunbathings by hand, for it is that you have learned we 444 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.960 will not give it all to you, but that is to say that also 445 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.160 the new generations must be inculcated also to see And above all because the other 446 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.400 day with pf Hill it is now of tools. He didn' t tell 447 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:15.599 me and I loved the definition because he said the difference between tools and instrument 448 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.200 is that you a tool, because you see it very fast and the press 449 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:19.920 to handle it in a very easy way. A paratillo is a tool, 450 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:26.960 but a violin is an instrument. Then you need to learn how to use 451 00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.880 it and you need a long time practice to be able to use a violin. 452 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.920 So it' s the difference between the instrument tool. I think that, 453 00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:40.079 more than tools, what we' re using are instruments, because you 454 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:41.640 have to learn how to handle them. But each instrument you use at a 455 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:47.880 specific time, not in other words, and for a specific activity, of 456 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:56.319 course, you can' t use the violin as an umbrella umbrella, exactly 457 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.440 as a drum or as a trombone, that is. There' s time 458 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.920 for the ropes how we' re gonna hit the metals like I' m 459 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.720 hit by the percussions. Each tool is used in a moment. I tell 460 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:12.240 my students the same thing they want to start designing from Reddit and Redvit works 461 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:16.200 and it is an amazing or artistic tool. Returning to the topic, for 462 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:24.119 us less this for the development of the executive project, but for the conceptual 463 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.559 part, it can work, but, but there are other better tools. 464 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:31.160 Yeah, there' s nothing. For me, in my way of seeing 465 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:35.759 what here. I think that for my way of seeing the conceptual, we 466 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.880 also do it very much from thought and hand. And then, when we 467 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:45.119 are already going to give it a lot, more form and more of this 468 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.160 regulation, because now it is already occupying the technological instruments that I have done, 469 00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:51.759 for example, I think it works very well at that stage. Yes, 470 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.039 you make boxes, you do very simple things that you can never use, 471 00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:00.160 very fast, very easy and then you' re going through, but 472 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.720 at the same time it' s going to be working by hand, coming 473 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.880 down by hand, because maybe, you' re already giving up on the 474 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.160 autoca and the autoca, you' re going to skip it to Reddy and 475 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:10.599 from there to all the programs that I imagine exactly. That' s a 476 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:15.599 good thing. Hey and who are your five favorite architects, no, because 477 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:21.599 that' s like a peña grandchild question, no yes, of which are 478 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:27.000 the three books that you don' t, because yes I think I say 479 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.839 my rich father, poor son. I don' t mean, at the 480 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:37.480 end of the day I think talking about your three or your five favorite architects 481 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:43.200 is like talking about your five favorite books or your five favorite albums? Or 482 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.880 not, I mean, at the end of the day, what you have 483 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.839 there is a series of teachers. Okay, those teachers are marking you at 484 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:59.200 certain times in your life. No, no, no, no, no, 485 00:33:59.200 --> 00:33:59.200 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 486 00:33:59.200 --> 00:33:59.200 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 487 00:33:59.200 --> 00:33:59.200 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 488 00:33:59.200 --> 00:33:59.200 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 489 00:33:59.200 --> 00:33:59.200 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 490 00:33:59.200 --> 00:33:59.200 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 491 00:33:59.200 --> 00:33:59.200 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 492 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:00.960 no, no, no, no. You don' t have the Book 493 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.319 of Manantial here and we' re talking about that Book of Manantial. I 494 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.839 don' t know whether to recommend it or not, because he' s 495 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:08.800 aged so badly, so badly. It' s a book that' s 496 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:12.320 almost a hundred years old that was written out there on Rand and it' 497 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.920 s aged really bad. But, well, for me, someone who likes 498 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.880 Manantial is a flag net. Yes, of course. Yeah. Yeah, 499 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:23.639 yeah, yeah, I mean not this one totally, totally. They don 500 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:28.639 ' t begin to talk about architecture like this struggle to dominate the nature of 501 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:30.880 the iron In other words, no more people, no, no. If 502 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:35.320 the 27th century we can talk about it. But, coming back to the 503 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.360 subject, it' s not like that, not the spring. I read 504 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.280 it when I was in college. I really liked it. In college I 505 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:47.960 loved it, but today I reread it again. Last year and as you 506 00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.639 say no net flag no so this is no longer I do not work well 507 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:58.480 in that. It is the same with the architects, that is, it 508 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:02.639 has been my turn to know there a lot and the quintet important and at 509 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:06.840 the end of the day, because you are learning them some things from them 510 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:10.000 that are nourishing you. Of course not, then it is very difficult to 511 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.880 answer those five favorite architects, well, those of the moment, because it 512 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:17.480 is like marrying notice that good also happens with the music. All of a 513 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:22.199 sudden you hear a lot and all of a sudden the year you come in 514 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.119 like ah well other five favorites, yes, of course it doesn' t 515 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:30.480 give me much laugh because there was a time that I heard the pink sulfe 516 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.719 of the pixis aha aha no and I think that it was seven months playing 517 00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:38.480 it was still in cdes, yes, playing for seven months in the stereo 518 00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:39.000 and not listening to anything else And that' s where I was years that 519 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:40.639 I didn' t hear it again. That' s how I happened recently 520 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:46.960 I heard it again and I say no more with that intensity you say ah 521 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:52.679 orale happens just like that, because of that exercise that Spotify does on your 522 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:53.960 list of the year. He' s good, he' s father, 523 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:55.280 because he doesn' t listen. It' s not the same thing last 524 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:58.320 year. I mean, there' s a father. Not clear and above 525 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.559 all, they tell you the truth. Not seven güey, you say ah 526 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:07.800 not this pinch or you heard it every time you don' t like wan 527 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:13.159 and open the car, you saw it four or six times twice like you 528 00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.679 don' t like reggaeton here or here I have another exact data, I 529 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.400 have other dates. Yes, then this one I tell you at the moment, 530 00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.280 because I am seeing in a very strange moment, because I tell you 531 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:28.199 that I have stopped thinking about this architecture as an object and I begin to 532 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:32.840 see it as urban relationships with the context. Aha then this, because I 533 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:44.079 do not think I am much more interested in these examples that do not have 534 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.119 an author. I don' t mean. For example, I say I 535 00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:50.960 know about the bench outside of Ofcina, because the building is Isaac de Broid 536 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.400 ' s clear and he told me the story of that bench and it' 537 00:36:54.400 --> 00:37:00.440 s amazing. No, but the gym outside the Kins is also to attract 538 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:05.360 attention, as it didn' t even make an architect. I' m 539 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.239 sure the manager of the quí said to see we need space, why don 540 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:15.199 ' t we go down the street and do this, and it' s 541 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.239 an amazing space in which people who are in the gym use it, but 542 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:24.400 also people who are not registered and start putting together a community of people who 543 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.000 exercise in the dressing room that don' t even need to be part of 544 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.119 the gym to be able to use it. He explained. That' s 545 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.079 what he' s starting to call me. So I' d rather look 546 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:40.559 for those kind of examples right now than nail myself into the work of some 547 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.360 architect. No. I' ve always liked this architecture that has no name, 548 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:52.000 not this toparte with a building of nine hundred fifty so many in the 549 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:59.480 narvarte and say I don' t know who you are but with what mastery 550 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:01.559 you solved this window removes, but of course not, I mean, I 551 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:02.440 don' t know who you are? Don' t you? I know 552 00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:06.039 who you are? But I admire you, God knows I did it. 553 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.119 It doesn' t hit me or that suddenly you find a hut in Oaxaca, 554 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.480 of course not, in which they made you a tihuacan slab with a 555 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:21.920 cleaning that you say hijole what mastery to be able to do this. No, 556 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.480 of course, yes, you understand yourself then, yes, I' 557 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.000 m sorry to answer that. Your question. It' s not yes, 558 00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:29.719 you answered it because, I mean, you' re right, I mean, 559 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:30.719 you' re not. You always like the same ones. You are 560 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:35.920 always changing, even the same technique or style of architects changes over time. 561 00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:38.400 Why, because they are polishing all the time and then you fall in love 562 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:44.199 and then you fight and s suddenly deny them and then you say ah good, 563 00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:46.920 but yes, and if we go to the big ones, the architecture 564 00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:51.280 of Barragán in Guadalajara is very, very different from that we come here, 565 00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.079 in Mexico City. It' s totally different. Why, because they' 566 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:57.639 re stages. Yeah, and I think we have to let them go a 567 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:06.480 little bit, too, actually. Not anymore, because suddenly live these things 568 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.239 not Or be good, already Barragan is very well, the house is incredible, 569 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:13.800 the dancedi, the pedregal, but there, Guadalajara, no yes, 570 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:19.320 but already we begin to turn certain sides. That' s what I think. 571 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.440 I don' t have to be here. I mean, suddenly I 572 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:27.599 don' t know if it' s because it' s Barragán' s 573 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:30.239 work because of the result or because it' s Barragán' s good point. 574 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:32.239 That' s a good point, I mean, I don' t 575 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:35.960 know if it' s like ah like it' s barragan, so I 576 00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.079 have to say it' s good when maybe, because it' s not. 577 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:43.480 I am then asked who are your five favorite Mexican architects and Barragano even 578 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.760 in the first, evidently, and why Barragano is in the first, because 579 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:51.679 why not. I mean, I think there' s another better one, 580 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:53.760 of course not. And then there was one, or there was a band 581 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:57.719 in the' 80s that was called, I say yes no, that of 582 00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:04.159 WIPET. Then you have two albums that call me a lot. The attention 583 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.599 isn' t from Greatest Hits, OK, which are the songs they put 584 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:12.800 out laterally. One that was called O' s Mises rat, that is, 585 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.039 songs that they thought they were going to hit and didn' t hit 586 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:20.039 no at the end of the day, that is, everyone has their Ratest 587 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.679 Hits and has their rat months nothing more than everyone who is still on social 588 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:28.599 networks you always get the grades hits, of course not, but where you 589 00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:32.159 really learn it' s from the rat miss Yes, then I think it 590 00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:37.199 ' s also worth not only seeing the architects for their rat hits, but 591 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.159 also coming and criticizing them and saying to see here you fulano doesn' t 592 00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:43.079 work. Because of this, because of this, because of this, and 593 00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:47.039 because of this, and used to say when I have something like this, 594 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:49.320 don' t try to get in any other way and don' t hear 595 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:51.880 me like that. Sure, yeah, that' s right, that' 596 00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:57.320 s very true. That' s the way it is, very small things. 597 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.679 Chiqui hears and already to finish this great talk, because the n every 598 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.039 time I invite you, the truth is that it is incredible. What' 599 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.159 s wrong with a program or look at it, as well as gossip. 600 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:14.119 No, yeah, I' d be full Yeah, you' d be 601 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.519 a messy little stone. Don' t make me announce mayamendas. I was 602 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:22.320 going to give you a mayonnaise, the VI, a pantheon fly and a 603 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:23.639 pantheon fly of yes or no. You don' t get the ideoma there. 604 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:30.440 I' d like to finish now, because I always ask you the 605 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:30.800 same thing, but this season it' s not like that. No, 606 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:35.559 no, it' s not equal to that, yeah, that or what. 607 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.199 But we are going to end differently, because before I asked you what 608 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:44.719 you would say to the students, now not, what you would say to 609 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.079 the architects who are about to take the step, as well as you to 610 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:50.599 have the same thing or that they are already in the beginning to say no, 611 00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:52.000 because we are already doing in our office. What would you say to 612 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.360 them, because they cut that off, no, that' s the band 613 00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:00.159 ' s gonna look black. This says not always, always, always, 614 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:07.679 always happens right now that you were talking about the spring. He has a 615 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:15.480 paragraph in which Howard Kurk returns with the one he mentored, showing him the 616 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.960 photos of his office and says Howard Work architect. So the mentor sees them 617 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:27.199 and says this you see this image, this name. I don' t 618 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.199 say more or less, he says so. It' s not like those 619 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:34.800 morus, like those phrases that were in the castles and for which the men 620 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:40.000 died. Don' t mean this is why you' re going to die, 621 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.519 it practically says you' re starting the way of your hell. No. 622 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:52.119 Then I would say something similar to these architects that I wish them luck 623 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:58.960 first of all. If you listen to me, they get complicated, if 624 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:05.440 they come amazing, yes, be very careful what they are accepting, because 625 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:09.280 suddenly no longer to do something that no one will notice, because you become 626 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:15.840 famous for that. True, no, and you end up doing things to 627 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.960 me that you didn' t want to do. Then I think you have 628 00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.840 to be as very faithful to yourself, two forgivenesss. I think you have 629 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.320 to have a lot of eggs. True, I don' t think having 630 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:35.320 much courage, being very stubborn, not always waiting for the best. No, 631 00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:43.440 two must be very faithful to himself. True, not wanting when you 632 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.039 have any more doubts. The other day I saw just fast. There appeared 633 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:52.119 to me in networks some v Arcangers that said when you have doubts nothing else. 634 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.599 Remember why you opened the office? Oh, you saw you didn' 635 00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:59.719 t open, so I bet you didn' t open the office to do 636 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.840 nothing, because if you were to do wool. You won' t be 637 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:05.800 able to do any other kind of business. Not architecture, not obviously, 638 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.000 because yes, the ana, yes there is, but it is not the 639 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:14.960 end. When you have that doubt, remember why they opened the office and 640 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:19.880 the third is that, then, do not stop believing in them well and 641 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.000 do things. I mean, it' s gonna sound so corny, but 642 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.880 your heart' s never gonna fail you. Good. How nice to see 643 00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:31.519 how cute? How cute? You' re hearing so many therapies. Yeah, 644 00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.480 you should be, yeah, you should be architecture coaches. You' 645 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.519 re my life coach It' s an architect life car. Yeah, the 646 00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:44.000 truth is, you' re still killing yourself. Woe to seeing for regentain 647 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:49.280 is you xacto for not one as well. I' m a good, 648 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.719 not a man for a rock band. Yeah, not for knots, too. 649 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.280 Oh, yeah, I can touch the tambourine now. Hey, there 650 00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.519 ' s Father. I didn' t like it. Listen, thank you 651 00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:00.320 so much for being here with us again. Happy to see you invite me, 652 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.559 I do, even if we stay in the gossip and don' t 653 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:08.480 record anything. It' s just that you know that the weeks ago we 654 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.760 were with Eduardo Miche, who were here talking, they didn' t know 655 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:14.440 each other and suddenly boom they were already talking about a thousand things. I 656 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.719 think I' m going to do a couple of programs, as well as 657 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:22.039 bring together certain architects as of the same generation, but that they don' 658 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.960 t know each other, that they don' t know each other is jokes 659 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:25.960 that don' t know each other, because it' s exactly what happens. 660 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.480 Yeah, yeah, I' m not organizing it, and obviously, 661 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:31.800 you' re gonna be inviting me. The times you invite me happy, 662 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:37.239 super because thank you so much, Mirro. We see ourselves as soon as 663 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.840 you hear this thing that, for for those who do not know me hear 664 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:46.079 yes bouquets I beg. My instagram is rb arroba with v e r r 665 00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:52.360 V. And the office instagram is equal to RV. But at rq ok 666 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:59.159 the page Rodrigo Velasco, eat anything with my managers, with my managers no, 667 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:04.079 no, anything. There' s mail Hello, arroba, Rodrigo Velasco, 668 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.480 with anything that comes up, that comes up. Not very well, 669 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:15.199 we are always open to any opinion, consultation or circumstances. Yeah, I 670 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:17.519 don' t know that we can help each other. All right. Thank 671 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:21.400 you very much, my Ro, and thank you very much to our audience. 672 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.119 See you in the next chapter of this new season. The new programs 673 00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:28.159 are about to come out. Yeah, no, I' m just telling 674 00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:30.159 you, we have new talent here in di Radias and they' re not 675 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:36.800 gonna miss it. And this one we hear in the next vendense. Here 676 00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:42.559 I work in San Luis Potosí one hundred and thirteen b so that they come 677 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.639 to see pure this furniture of high design. Come and take a turn. 678 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:47.559 I' m Caran Ramirez. Thank you so much. Bye Bye,