1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:24,800 in the UK and around the world. Welcome to the big Foot in the 3 00:00:24,879 --> 00:00:29,399 Bunny. This is a couple's journey into the mysterious, the unknown and the 4 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,920 paranormal. I'm your host Chris Carr and I'm your host Kristin Johnson. Together 5 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:45,560 we are big Foot and the Bunny. Hey is there? Happy Saturday. 6 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,640 Welcome to Bigfoot and the Bunny. I am your host Chris Carr and I 7 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:55,439 am Kristin Johnson. I think again today we believe so the DNA records would 8 00:00:55,439 --> 00:01:00,719 seem to indicate, yes, you are Kristin Johnson. Um, how are 9 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:03,719 you guys doing? Thank you for joining us. So we're really excited about 10 00:01:03,719 --> 00:01:07,879 a show today and it's been a pretty exciting week. We did want to 11 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:12,359 touch on the fact that we were on our friend Nathaniel Gills's show ghost Notes, 12 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,319 which is on League Project and that will be coming out as soon as 13 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,680 as soon as Rex has done editing it and all that, and that was 14 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:25,840 a lot of fun and it brought up something from one of our older shows 15 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:29,640 with uh Winn the Saniel. Yeah, with Nate we call him Nate, 16 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,680 but you guys, no, you can call it everyone. I don't think 17 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,280 he really cares. But he's an awesome guy, a really good friend of 18 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,879 ours and like family. And we did a show with him. Um how 19 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:47,439 long ago was it is? April tenth? Yeah, twenty twenty one. 20 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,120 Yeah, okay, so I was two years old and we were getting these 21 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:55,359 crazy EVPs during the interview, and we had made a clip of them, 22 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,879 and they're very angry. It's hard to make everything out, but you'll hear 23 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:04,599 some words for sure, and we wanted to touch on that and play that 24 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:08,439 for you. Although it'll be in the ghost notes and when nuts out, 25 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,680 you know, you can watch our pages. We'll we'll definitely like be posting 26 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:15,240 links to that. And it was a lot of fun. We get into 27 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,840 all kinds of stuff, particularly like about our theories and things about the paranormal, 28 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,479 from dimensions to roles and the stuff you guys know that we talk about 29 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:29,280 a lot. Let you see if I can share that real quick, it's 30 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:35,520 very low. I don't want to do it that way, although one sex 31 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,520 sorry sorry for the breaking momentum. Way to go. I want to share 32 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,840 video. Well, that's what I wanted to do okay, yeah, here 33 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,680 it goes. This is a it's actually three clips at different times. There 34 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,000 were these voices talking, and they talked all through the broadcast, but these 35 00:02:51,039 --> 00:02:55,599 were like three of the more clear things that they were saying. I'm excited, 36 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:01,879 excited. Yeah, seven fly somewhere like the forty thousand feet things things 37 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:10,759 I researched this, right, I mean, does f uni I'm the other 38 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:15,280 and then it right after that goes mother motherfuckers. Yeah, well we're not 39 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:21,319 necessarily a family show, so you can say that. I know. Yeah, 40 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,800 that's twenty seven flies somewhere around like the forty thousand feet but things things 41 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:30,439 I research. Yes, you're all dressed up. I had my blazer on 42 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,719 with the rush shirt. It gave me, yeah, you know, looking 43 00:03:34,759 --> 00:03:38,199 get with your leopid ship. And he had a hat on sc Yeah they 44 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,280 have a different hat on that time. Yeah, he had the scally, 45 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:45,840 the scally wag on the other night. I actually had to turn mine around 46 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,479 because we looked ridiculous. Just learn all about this scaly thing, so right, 47 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,599 I think to us, I'm seeing scal history and the nickname scally for 48 00:03:53,639 --> 00:03:59,120 this kind of hat. It's sometimes called the flat cap or newsboy hat is 49 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,240 that it was the working class. It was a sign of being part of 50 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,639 the working class and being this how far back it goes being a scally wag 51 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:11,800 and like proudly saying, I'm a scally wag. So yeah, I'm a 52 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,840 working beat. So oh wear the thing. I'm a scally wag. I 53 00:04:14,919 --> 00:04:17,439 don't care. I'm good with it. Um, what else do we want 54 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:21,240 to talk about before we bring it? We just it's a really really thank 55 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:25,439 neat. Yeah, I want to thank fair. He was cool as hell. 56 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,920 It was a lot of from a week project. We were nervous, 57 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,160 thank you. A lot of people watch that show, like a lot of 58 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,920 people, so it since and I almost threw up all day long. So 59 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:40,399 yeah, like we do this two shows a week. But yeah, yeah, 60 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:45,439 the Burger king is is going down. That's something that's new. And 61 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:47,439 I only mentioned this because it was one of the places I worked. My 62 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:53,480 daughter worked there as a kid as a teenager, and yeah it is apparently 63 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,319 then she worked there for years. Um it's not doing that great. And 64 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:04,600 I was going to share something about that. You see Oh yeah there there 65 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:15,879 there you go. I go stream. Ah that's not the right thing. 66 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,560 Ah, jeez, I'm I'm losing our momentum there he is. Oh that 67 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:25,519 thing creeps from CBR dot com. The Burger King is going down, going 68 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,560 down, down down. Apparently some of the larger franchises I've already closed, 69 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,439 and uh yeah, it's not been the same. They've been dropping. It 70 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:39,040 used to be number two behind McDonald's for years and years and they're just not 71 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,720 And either food is really expensive. Now. You go to Burger King and 72 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,560 get a chicken sandwich like combo thing, and it was fifteen bucks. I 73 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:49,600 remember when you like were so mad one night, yeah, because it was 74 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:54,000 like fifty bucks for just like two meals and it wasn't that bad, but 75 00:05:54,079 --> 00:05:59,279 it was like thirty or something. And I'm sitting there, ridiculous with with 76 00:05:59,319 --> 00:06:01,639 my teenage jor and wearing the dry food, and I'm looking across the street 77 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:09,720 and it was like awesome Italian place called Wise Guys Delhi and it's in Cumberland, 78 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:13,839 Rhode Island, Rhode Island, where we are located, and I'm like, 79 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:16,199 wow, we could have eight there for probably less money and if food's 80 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:24,000 awesome, And I'm getting this like skank burger for fifteen bucks, and it 81 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,800 was kind of offended and apparently it's having an effect. So get the comments 82 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,920 there, Joshua something Joshua Dixon. Hell yeah, lots of comments out there. 83 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:36,800 But yeah, I'll miss the crowd if they go out completely. Hey 84 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,720 there, Mart, how's it going, mister Greg Cass? How you doing? 85 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:46,480 Sarah? I hope you're having a wonderful weekend? Hello, Barbara would 86 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:54,879 Burry Spear? What is happening? Joanne Stewart's out there? Five o'clock somewhere? 87 00:06:54,959 --> 00:06:59,560 Hell, yeah it is. It's seven o'clock here, Yes, josh 88 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,240 Hey, what's going on? Buddy? Oh? I used to work for 89 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,199 b K as well. Yeah, yeah, one of my first jobs. 90 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,319 And uh yeah my daughter worked there for for a number of years. Yes, 91 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:12,800 she worked there. It's weird. I see crystals, charts and chakras 92 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,680 is. Burger King has never been a family favorite. But the Crown is 93 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,319 something, right, I mean the Crown go back in my day, they 94 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:26,800 had some value, but man, what a creepy mascot. And the other 95 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:29,720 thing they did is like they tried to make like the most unhealthy food for 96 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:33,279 the longest time. Right, it was like triple whopper, sloppy whoppies and 97 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:36,639 sloppy whoppies I call them. Yeah, you know, but I found that 98 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,120 they were good, just like everything on a burger and we just followed you 99 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,639 crystals, cards and chakras mean page you know. Yeah, they do give 100 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,199 coupons and you got to use them because you have to know, buy the 101 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:54,839 thing in the regular price. It's just ridiculous. But it's not paranormal. 102 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:57,639 So we're going to get off of that. Yeah, so I just say, 103 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,399 you know, the burger king going down, just I had to make 104 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:05,399 mention of it. Mord asked, how do we get the nickname Bigfoot and 105 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:09,439 the bunny? Well, yeah, yeah, well there is a story behind 106 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,319 that, and it has nothing to do with Kryptis other than mentioning big Foot. 107 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,240 Yes, And Kristen and I were standing in the front yard place I 108 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,439 was living then, and we were outside looking at the sky and we have 109 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,480 bunnies everywhere. There was always bunnies everywhere. Yeah, there was a family 110 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,240 of bunnies that live between my yard in the neighbor's yard and the hedges, 111 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,960 and they were always in the front yard and you would throw them fruit from 112 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,879 your sangria. Don't do that, that was very well. I didn't really 113 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:46,080 do that. Yeah, and it's just go for it now. Yeah. 114 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,519 Anyways, there were bunnies out there, and we like the bunnies. No 115 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,679 way, that's such a big deal, but we like the bunnies. And 116 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:56,720 we were looking at the sky and we saw what what we believe was probably 117 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,559 a UFO. Um. All I could do was point up. It was 118 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,120 the UFO. It was orange or orange you read, but good. It 119 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:11,519 was faster than a plane and were than a shooting star, didn't have it 120 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,320 wasn't a satellite, and it was screwed across the sky. We were watching 121 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,320 it and we had to go over the horizon and all I could do was 122 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:20,320 point up. We're talking over each other. Way, can we not do 123 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:24,519 that? Let's try not to all right? Anyway, So I was going 124 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:28,559 to wick it fast, and we were like, um, we had had 125 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,120 some phenomena in the house and already, and we're like, oh, next 126 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,000 thing you'll know, you see a big foot in the bunny. And then 127 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,960 later we did this this show, this radio thing came up and we mentioned 128 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:41,480 that, you know, that might be a good show name and because it's 129 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,799 just catchy. Yeah, so that's all. Hey, they're Kimmy Corps. 130 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:52,080 Stephen Miller's in the audience. All right, yeah, maybe haunted bunnies. 131 00:09:54,559 --> 00:10:01,480 Maybe this one's on um. Anyways, bring ye Wilshagan. Hello. All 132 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,240 right, well, let's get right to the business because we have lots of 133 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:11,039 stuff to talk about. Our guest today is Miranda Young. She grew up 134 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,960 in the Appalachian Mountains of East Tennessee in a very rural town in the very 135 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:20,600 rural town of Robbins. Miranda holds a bachelor's degree at Mass Communications with an 136 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:26,279 emphasis on journalism and advertising. Her professional background includes twenty one years as a 137 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,159 director of marketing, graphic design, and public relations professional. She is a 138 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:37,679 professional photographer and artist specializing drawing historic buildings and monuments. But the way you 139 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:43,200 guys know her as Miranda as the founder, host, producer, marketing executive 140 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:50,919 behind Geist Ghost Biker Explorations, a world recognized web series that highlights her travels 141 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:56,879 on her motorcycle to historic and hunted locations around the country. She's been featured 142 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:01,279 in numerous magazines and local newspapers. She's been a guest speaker at events and 143 00:11:01,639 --> 00:11:05,039 on podcasts and radio shows across the country. In fact, we met briefly 144 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:11,600 Miranda at the Haunting at the Mill Parakahn in South Carolina, put on by 145 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,360 Brandon Cooper. And what a good time that was. And I'm sure we'll 146 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,720 talk a little bit about that as well. She's been um on all those 147 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:24,440 platforms. Ghost Biker Explorations is a popular series on Mixed TV. UH. 148 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,919 In twenty twenty one, she co founded the company History Highways and Haunts, 149 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:35,080 LLC and co owns the historic Scott County Jail, where she is now true 150 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:41,120 Crime Museum and Paranormal Research Center in Huntsville, Tennessee. So let's bring her 151 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,519 right on. Hello, Miranda, Hey, Chris and Kristen. Thank you 152 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,679 so much for having me on. It's great to have you on. Yeh, 153 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:54,279 finally, sorry about the big long in ye No, Now I want 154 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,799 Burger King. Yeah right, get it what you can. We'll be like 155 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:07,240 the live stream that saves Burger King. There you go. I just like 156 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,240 the picture. I mean, you know, there he is. Nothing's creepier 157 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,759 than the King, thank you. He is wicked creepy. I could never 158 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:16,799 really watch those commercials. I'm like, oh my god, what are they 159 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:22,759 doing? The things? It was a little creaky, you know, but 160 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:28,440 how are you doing? And our first question always yes to all our guests. 161 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,879 We ask everybody the same thing. Did you have a haunted childhood? 162 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:35,639 Did you have any paranormal experiences growing up? So, um, you know, 163 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,840 again, thank you for having me on and I am doing well. 164 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:45,159 Um I actually did not, Um you know. I ended up getting into 165 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:50,679 the paranormal based on more of the storytelling, folklore, local legend top side 166 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,759 of things. I spent a lot of time with my grandmother, who when 167 00:12:54,799 --> 00:12:58,360 she passed she was ninety five, and I spent a lot of time. 168 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,879 She lived next door, and I would spend every evening down there listening to 169 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:07,399 her tell stories about growing up in the Appalachian Mountains, and so she often 170 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,399 shared a lot of folklore and talked about as we call them around here, 171 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:13,879 the hanks and boogers, which would be the you know, the ghosts and 172 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:18,159 the cryptids. So she spent a lot of time telling me about all that. 173 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,919 And then I spent as much time as I could in the libraries researching 174 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:28,159 and listening to some of the old timers talk about some of their stories. 175 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:33,320 And then also I was a huge fan of unsolved mysteries, so anywhere I 176 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,399 could gather information, that's what I like doing. And I did not have 177 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,159 you know, I didn't grow up in a haunted house or anything like that. 178 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,679 But the elementary school that I went to was haunted and there was a 179 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:52,559 murder that took place there, and so our librarian she made sure that every 180 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,039 student that went through the schools of that or went through the halls of that 181 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,919 school knew the story about the doctor that was shot by the local deputy in 182 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,559 town. So as from as young as I can remember, I can remember 183 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:11,159 seeing if we could hear sounds of phantom laughter or phantom gunshots coming from the 184 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,080 schoolhouse. Oh that's super interesting. So the seed buzz kind of planned it 185 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,879 early, but you didn't necessarily have the experiences. You are aware of the 186 00:14:18,879 --> 00:14:22,039 stories. Absolutely, it was very aware of the stories, but definitely didn't 187 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,360 have any of the experiences. I know. You know a lot of the 188 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,919 people that get into the paranormal or in there because they've either grew up in 189 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,080 a haunted house or had experiences. Mine, like I said, was mostly 190 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,679 that storytelling side. And then of course my dad, you know, we 191 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:43,000 would end up going out on the weekends and we would go back roads riding, 192 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,679 and he was essentially sharing stories about ghosts of the past and talking about 193 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,679 kind of the way things were, as he called it, olden times, 194 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:54,799 you know, and sharing those different stories so kind of I guess slightly a 195 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:00,519 different ghost, but nonetheless a ghost of the past. And so that's really 196 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:05,799 where I fell in love with that was from from those stories that my grandmother 197 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:09,600 shared. And then really I always feel like if we don't if we don't 198 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,279 take those stories in and talk to people and share those stories, those stories 199 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,679 pass when when those folks pass on. So that's really the side that I 200 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:24,200 come from when I'm working on Ghost Biker Explorations as well as the series, 201 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:28,200 is really trying to share those stories and get that out there, make people 202 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:33,200 aware of locations that maybe they're not aware of. Well, well, I 203 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,840 think that's great. I know, like when you think about ancient history, 204 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:39,879 where really have just a small piece of it and it's just what was written 205 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,720 down, right, so much has been passed on with the spoken word and 206 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:50,360 from generations, you know, descending down at if we're talking about maybe Irish 207 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:54,759 history like the Scalley or the UK or you know, even Egyptian you know, 208 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:58,600 thank God they wrote things down or um you know, Samians, we 209 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,039 like to talk about in their cuneiforms. They were at least avid writers, 210 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,799 but as much as is passed on with the spoken word, and there are 211 00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:11,720 big gaps in history and also added things are added to it. When when 212 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:18,120 you talk about folklore and everything it is, there's truth. There's always a 213 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:22,879 little bit of truth to the lore it is. And you know, I 214 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:26,759 can't really speak to other regions, but definitely here in the Appalachian Mountains, 215 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:30,200 it varies from area to area of the mountain that you're from. You know, 216 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,639 just the way that people did things over in one in one holler or 217 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:38,360 one section of the mountain, they did it different in the other and so 218 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:42,879 um so yeah, I mean it changes, and I assume it's probably very 219 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:47,879 similar in other areas of the country. I mean, just around here we're 220 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:53,159 very much steeped in tradition and so those stories, while they may be different 221 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,960 depending on who you're talking to, they do tend to be very similar in 222 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,440 nature when you sit down and really look at them as a whole. Absolutely, 223 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:07,160 yeah, And Appalachians are gorgeous. So we really got to get a 224 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:14,799 little bit of yes experience driving down to to Pickin and oh god, it 225 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:19,920 was so beautiful and they're so big. Interesting is how many cavern systems are 226 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,519 in the appealaition, especially in Virginia alone, they have like this whole section 227 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,559 of just like cavern here, cavern there, you know, for miles and 228 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,440 miles, and it was really yeah, it was like every mile there'd be 229 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,240 another billboard. You know, this one has an elevators. We're the best 230 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:40,200 one, you know. That's the Especially they're in Virginia and Kentucky. I 231 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,799 mean there there are aton they're in those areas and even here in Tennessee. 232 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,640 And then of course a lot of people relate those even back to like the 233 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,799 missing four one one or the missing in the National Parks. They relate those 234 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:56,319 to the cavern system that runs in the area. And there's big clusters even 235 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,000 here in East Tennessee where they've had a lot of missing and disappearances in the 236 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,279 area of those National parks and the Smoky Mountains. Absolutely, and that was 237 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,359 the part of Tennessee we actually went through, which is weird to was trying 238 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,200 to get to South Carolina. We went through a little of that, and 239 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:15,839 you know, did you have those very steep hills as you're going through the 240 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:21,519 mountains and those truck ramps for the central trucks, so they can just freaking 241 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:26,319 out. Yeah, but well we drove right, So it was supposed to 242 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:27,759 be fourteen and a half hours, was at something like that? It was 243 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:32,079 supposed to be almost sixteen hours, and it took us eighteen. Yeah, 244 00:18:32,079 --> 00:18:34,039 it took us I think, Yeah, it was a little more even just 245 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,640 driving straight and yeah, my eyes were just falling out of my head. 246 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,480 Thought, I just haven't taken a long journey in a while. It's definitely 247 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:45,599 a beautiful area. I mean, it's only about three and a half hours 248 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,920 from here, but you ended up going through i think four different states, 249 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,799 you know, going through the rest of Tennessee and hitting North Carolina, Georgia, 250 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,039 and South Carolina, or ending up in South Carolina, just going those 251 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:03,240 three and a half hours, hit four different states. Yes, that's right, 252 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,880 that's right, Yes, Terry says the ocean, right, Yeah, 253 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,000 that's correct. Yeah. And I'm like, well that going to happen to 254 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:14,319 us? Is somebody going to just vier off the highway freaking because we haven't. 255 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,039 We didn't sleep, and it was already what we were like twelve hours 256 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:22,119 into the journeys. We had left late and been a long time without sleep, 257 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:23,960 so we're feeling it. Plus you know, we're not twenty anymore. 258 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,559 Exactly what we were saying when we got there, were like, oh my 259 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,279 god, we're not trying to travel. Let's travel a lot, right, 260 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,799 So you're probably more used to it and accustomed to take in these long journeys 261 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:37,160 and absolutely well, you know, And I just want to say, you 262 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,039 know, one of the beautiful things about the Haunting in the Mill Paracon that 263 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:47,119 I noticed that I really enjoyed was that Brandon did an amazing job of gathering 264 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,759 folks from all around the country. A lot of the times when we do 265 00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:55,200 these podcasts, or excuse me, when we do these paracons, they tend 266 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,400 to be a little more regional. You may have one or two folks that 267 00:19:57,559 --> 00:20:00,960 travel across the country. But he had, you know, folks for there 268 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,200 from New England, he had folks out from um Uh, from out west 269 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,960 South Dakota, and you know, and I think that there were fewer people 270 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,799 from the South than there were from the rest of the country. I think 271 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:19,599 he did a really good job of representing all the areas around the country and 272 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,240 just such a great group of people, and and really enjoyed listening to the 273 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:29,640 speakers and meeting everyone as the Dakota is right there, Horn Scott Horn's out 274 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,720 there, Foreign paranormal research plug plug plug. Yes, wonderful friends of ours 275 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,119 and yeah, they were there and we were hanging out with them and camping 276 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,880 and we have good time. I think you got pictures with them. As 277 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,640 a matter of fact, I did, you did, I did. I 278 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,079 got to meet them for the first time, and uh, just wonderful. 279 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,720 People actually ended up going out to dinner with them the last night of the 280 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,720 paricon there. Oh you went to Yeah, we were invited, but we 281 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,519 were so tired Ridom. We were like, uh, yeah, there's wow 282 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,119 China, that's free. I do remember the pickpack up our clam bake as 283 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,599 they say, Yeah, I don't. I don't know if you have clam 284 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:07,759 bakes down there. That's kind of a New England thing. I think more 285 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:11,920 of New England. Yeah, definitely not in Tennessee. Well listen, Saint 286 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,839 Becky Evans from Washington State. I mean, if you're talking about I'm not 287 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:21,960 sure. Yeah, I forget she drove from I flew from Washington State to 288 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:23,440 somewhere and then she drove like five Oh yeah, I think yeah, I 289 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:29,400 think she was one post to the other in that, like you were saying, 290 00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:33,160 you don't usually have that, so no, you really don't. He 291 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:38,519 did very good job and really looking forward to the next year's absolutely absolutely, 292 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:42,480 so yeah, that's that's good stuff. But it seems like you have a 293 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:48,319 thing for history and you're talking to us from a haunted jail. I am. 294 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:55,480 I am actually sitting here at the historic and very haunted historic Scott County 295 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,799 Jail. Um. The jail was in operation there from nineteen o four until 296 00:21:59,799 --> 00:22:04,000 two two thousand and eight, and it sat vacant until twenty seventeen when the 297 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:07,319 town, when Scott County, gave the jail to the town of Huntsville, 298 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,039 and then the town of Huntsville got a tourism grant where they came in and 299 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,920 kind of cleaned it up, did a little bit of work to it, 300 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,160 and they still really didn't know what they wanted to do with it, so 301 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:23,240 it still sat vacant up until twenty twenty one when my business partner, which 302 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,000 I just saw her there in the audience a few minutes ago, doctor Christie 303 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:32,319 Sumner, and I we formed History Highways and hunts and we approached the town 304 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,640 to see if we could open it up as a true crime museum during the 305 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:41,279 day and a paranormal research center where we could conduct paranormal research with different teams 306 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:45,160 and stuff coming in, as well as doing different flashlight tours, guided ghost 307 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:52,319 hunts, really making it accessible to the community and making it a stop on 308 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:59,279 different travels as far as with historical groups and such. So they were all 309 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:03,640 about it. So we opened in September of twenty twenty one, and so 310 00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:07,079 we've had at this point in time, we've had just under a hundred teams 311 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,240 come in and investigate here. Oh that is awesome and it's nice to have 312 00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:15,079 like a home base in a way. Right, Absolutely everybody hey has their 313 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,680 backyard haunted places they can go to, but what a cool thing to actually 314 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,440 own one and run it. Yeah, I think fascinating. Yeah, it's 315 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:30,640 been you know, it's been very interesting transitioning from paranormal investigator to location owner. 316 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:34,160 And we do rent the jail from the town, so we don't technically 317 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,640 own it, but we do own the museum that's in here, and so 318 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,519 so it's it's been an eye opening experience and I feel we're able to really 319 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:48,799 come in and conduct paranormal research because we're here up to sixteen hours a day 320 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,079 between myself and my business partner. Because we you know, we're here during 321 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,720 the day for the daytime tourism, we're here very often at night. So 322 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:02,039 I feel we're able to really come in get you know, do different sessions 323 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:06,319 and take the information that we learn from the session and apply it to the 324 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,720 next time that we come in and do that. So we've really been able 325 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:14,160 to get to know some of the residence spirits that are here and also find 326 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:19,079 ways that they really enjoy communicating. Well, that's awesome. And have you 327 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,720 found like a certain technique that works with these particular spirits there in general? 328 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:29,720 Do you find certain things really work and places you visit repeatedly? Yeah, 329 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,160 I mean, you know, we you know, obviously it depends on the 330 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,519 night and sometimes and depends on who you're talking to. But we have found 331 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:41,119 that there's certain areas that they don't really like it when you take on like 332 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,200 an interrogation questioning type method. When you there's there's one section of the jail 333 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,279 here. If you come in and you treat it more of just kind of 334 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,240 cutting up, joking, they tend to want to respond a little bit more. 335 00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:59,759 Also music, we've found that there's certain types of music that certain areas 336 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:03,960 really interact with. We've even found certain songs that they like. There's one 337 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:11,400 section that Amazing Grace is a great trigger item, but we found they really 338 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:17,720 like the Pentatonics version of the song and it's wild, you know. And 339 00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:22,039 then there's other areas. We found they prefer communicating with women in those areas, 340 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,400 other areas that they don't really care for men. And we've even found 341 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,880 on the second floor, the second floor is the trustee floor, so those 342 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:36,519 cells are more dorm style cells, and we've found again depending upon the night, 343 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,160 if you go into the center of the building and where the rooms kind 344 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,480 of basically when you're in the center, the dorm style rooms are around the 345 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,279 edges. We've found that sometimes they want you to stay in that area and 346 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,759 they'll communicate from the rooms. Other times we've found that they want you to 347 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:59,079 leave the tools there in the center of the fourier there and each person get 348 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,720 in a cell and communicate and they're very vocal about how they want to communicate. 349 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,279 And so we passed that along to our investigating teams that come. Obviously, 350 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,799 we're like you know, do your own technique and method because you never 351 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,240 know what you're going to discover. But these are some things that work for 352 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,279 us, and so we found some of those to be pretty tried and true. 353 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,440 That's excellent. I think that's great. And we had a kind of 354 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,920 a similar thing and yeah, this is something and Kristen, we went like, 355 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,160 oh, yeah, that's interesting because we've had a similar experience in the 356 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,920 conjuring house and we went there. We were like a certain song and it 357 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,079 had to be the right version. Yeah, but you trigger object, I've 358 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:42,880 got them here. He comes everywhere with its Okay, a lot of the 359 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,240 people in the audience already know this story, so I'll be real quick. 360 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:52,440 But we played sending the clowns song from our youth right dating ourselves. But 361 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,079 it really worked, and we were getting all kinds of rampod activity and like 362 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,119 weird stuff, and it seemed like the rampod was trying to sing it. 363 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:03,599 Yeah the rempipe of the antenna, how you always do this, But it 364 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,240 sounded like it was, you know, singing that song, and it got 365 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:11,000 mad afterids and we tried like the different one. It didn't really work right, 366 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,720 So I only liked it we went back to the original and like, 367 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,000 I guess it's not the original, but the one that we all know, 368 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,039 Yeah, and that was the one that seemed to make a difference. So 369 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,519 weird, but it was so touching in a way as well because they literally 370 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:29,240 tried to sing it on the rempod. It's an internet to use music in 371 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,720 an investigation can of absolutely made me think of that's frequency. So they liked 372 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:41,359 that frequency. That's true because they they are a cappella and so they would 373 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,359 be using the frequency. And we've even found because we do a lot of 374 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,400 experimenting with frequencies, and you know, if you're using the God frequency nine 375 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:55,119 six three or using binarial beats, which you know binarial beats is the same 376 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,519 kind of concept of the God helmet and so or at least the effects that 377 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:03,759 it has on your brain, and we found that playing certain things that that 378 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:11,319 does tend to trigger different types of activity. We were experimenting with the God 379 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,200 frequency one night and we turned it on and we were in the Jerom boy 380 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:22,440 At cell area and we actually had so the way the upstairs area is is 381 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:27,160 it's the maximum security and there are three different bullpen or three different cell blocks 382 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,000 up there that each have a bullpen, and so we were in one of 383 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,079 the smaller bullpens that had jerom boy it cell and another a smaller cell in 384 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,559 there, and when we played that frequency, both of the rimpods started going 385 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:47,000 off. One of them went off right after we started playing it and was 386 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:51,039 trying to match that frequency, and right after the others started. So you 387 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:56,119 had these three frequencies going. We had never experienced, especially two rimpods going 388 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,039 off at the same time as this one frequency, and so once we cut 389 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:04,440 it off, they each went off. And then we even found we went 390 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,400 to the other bullpen started playing it. You could hear talking down the hall 391 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:15,200 and even had a cell door slam. So just experimenting with that, you 392 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,920 know, being here gives us the opportunity to be able to do that, 393 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:22,000 for us to say, hey, you know, after we close for the 394 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:23,839 day, let's go up and just test this one experiment. You can do 395 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,519 that because you're not pressed for time. But Chris makes a really good point 396 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:34,799 there her comment, they're talking about the trigger technique transcending generations, dates and 397 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:41,759 times. That's exactly true, and why we like using that because it's something 398 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:47,319 that i mean, music inspires and brings up so many different emotions. I 399 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:51,720 mean when you look at everything, even back to you know, protests and 400 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,039 you know, patriotic songs, everything, it brings up all these different emotions. 401 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:02,039 So why wouldn't it be. Plus, it's a universal language. It 402 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:07,839 doesn't matter what language you're speaking. The music itself just works wonderful when it 403 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,720 comes to a trigger item. So that's something you know, I've used ever 404 00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,119 since I started investigating. I know a lot of the investigators do, and 405 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,440 it's something that we've found here. Honestly, when we got the keys, 406 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:26,160 we went up and we probably spent about two months just really just talking to 407 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,559 the spirits trying to find out what they like. And we did find just 408 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:37,279 kind of started playing music and just randomly asking different genres of music, and 409 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,920 it started our different tools started hitting on religious music, like old hymns. 410 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,920 So we spent a lot of time just going through playing different songs finding what 411 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:52,880 they liked. And it's really amazing when you do find those certain songs and 412 00:30:53,480 --> 00:31:00,240 without hesitation, it seems like every time you get some type of reaction to 413 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,319 to the specific song you've played. Yeah, I think that's so true. 414 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,400 Music is just one of those things. It's almost like a phenomena with humans, 415 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,640 like why we like rhythms and it's just very natural to fall into two 416 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,519 beats. And then we find these songs throughout our life that I just have 417 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:21,440 like an impact. I maybe represent a period of time. I think with 418 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,400 a send into Clowns, we were theorizing and maybe it had to do with 419 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,160 a breakup or something like that. So it's because it's a sad song, 420 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:33,039 right, Yeah, maybe that really has some resonation where wherever they are. 421 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,119 And you were talking about binari beats, which we are familiar with as well. 422 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,039 Yeah, I think we're a big fans of that. One of the 423 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:44,799 things you've been experimenting with and I give away our secrets, but we're talking 424 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:52,200 about in Pickings. Actually I built this little wonder box right camp. And 425 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,960 what's cool about this cacariamp. You know, it's got the guitar pedals and 426 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,440 all that, and it's not a wonder box in and of itself. Isn't 427 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,240 a big mission for musical background. So I was like, oh, yeah, 428 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:06,440 well that's just guitar effects. But it has a bluetooth channel. So 429 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:12,039 what we experiment with is mixing binural beats in with say a spirit box, 430 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,319 wonder box effects and that sort of thing. Mister Greg Coss is out in 431 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:22,519 our audience tonight and runs a show called Metaphysical Crossings on Wednesdays on Facebook on 432 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:29,119 Shadow Hunter's Paranormal. Yes, plug plug plug Greg plugging your buddy and he 433 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,799 hasn't thought in a rotation and we love Greg in the show and everything. 434 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:36,920 And what we're doing there is like double Blindesti's methods. Yes, yes, 435 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:38,759 So we're trying to kind of get into a trance state or like a theta 436 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:45,000 state right away, right like camera and just like all right, let's let's 437 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,559 do this and see what comes out of our subconscious or whatever it is, 438 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,240 right, And that's one of the things we've been experimenting with and find that 439 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:54,240 to be pretty good, you know, to try to really get in that 440 00:32:54,359 --> 00:33:00,519 relaxed kind of like letting it out. We're blindfold you know kind of and 441 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:04,759 we can run out through a headset. So it's another kind of little tool 442 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,400 that's not on a paranormal website of it, but as useful Bluetooth channels comes 443 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,160 in handy now absolutely, I mean, you know, just to hit on 444 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,640 what you were saying, Um, you know, I mean binaral beats. 445 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:23,200 I mean you can see how vibration affects water and how vibration affects things around 446 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,920 you, know, so why would it not affect you know, your brain. 447 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,559 I mean I use binaural beats for sleep, I use it for stress 448 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:37,279 and stress and anxiety reliefs. So just dealing with the different frequencies and then 449 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:42,839 seeing how it affects it within a paranormal location. Um, if you're not 450 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,680 getting you know, it may not be paranormal activity, but you're at least 451 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:52,559 stimulating something in the air there that you're getting responses from, and that's unexplainable. 452 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,400 So to me, it just makes perfect sense. And I love the 453 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,920 idea about the double estis method there. Oh yeah, it's really cool. 454 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:06,519 It's interesting. Don't maybe once a month or something like that, five weeks 455 00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:08,320 you're trying to use like the same people and rotate to see if we get 456 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,400 similar tions. Greg goes under and does it as well as well as other 457 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:15,920 other folks. We have moderators and all of that, and it's all about 458 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,840 being in that calm and relaxed state I think, and I think that that 459 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,159 allows the person to be a better conduit for the putting that activity out there. 460 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,280 Absolutely. Yeah. We have a quick question since we're talking about tools 461 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,519 and everything, Joshua Dixon asked, um, what is your take and thoughts 462 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,920 on the ghost phone apps? Personally? He doesn't use them? Great question. 463 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,719 Personally for myself, I don't. We do have a couple that we 464 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:50,599 might use when we're doing um uh the ghost ghost hunts here at the jail, 465 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,679 but for me, when I'm actually out paranormal investigating, I don't like 466 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,280 to use them. I like to actually know how the apps are created. 467 00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:00,960 Now, I'm not one to s there and limit the way that the spirits 468 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,079 can communicate, because I believe that if a spirit wants to communicate through a 469 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,880 phone, through a smoke detector, through what have you, they will They'll 470 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,480 find a way to do what they want to do. So I'm not limiting, 471 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:15,119 but I do like to know how the apps are created. If the 472 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:21,719 apps use your microphone, as some apps use GPS, So if you know 473 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,880 you are here at the historic Scott County Jail and you're using an app that 474 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,880 goes off your GPS, you might start getting jail terms. You know, 475 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,440 it may not be picking off the mic, but it's picking off in some 476 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,440 ways. So I just suggest on that you know, try things, but 477 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,880 know what you're using, kind of know the background behind it. That's that's 478 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,880 what we like to do. I just there's plus, like what doctor Sumner 479 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,360 says, there they can there are a lot of variables and other phones can 480 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,480 set them off. So we just always recommend phones on airplane mode, use 481 00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,519 them to video, use them to record audio. But um, you know, 482 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:06,559 and we don't limit if as someone comes in for a ghost a guided 483 00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:08,840 ghost hunt or what have you, and they're using an app because again, 484 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,480 those those are difficult because you're in a location for say three hours, you're 485 00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:19,599 leading people through. They're not necessarily going to sit there and just listen to 486 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,920 or just ask questions if they're not a seasoned investigator, because they may not 487 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,480 understand just you know, how long how long it takes to sometimes get a 488 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,679 response. But um, but yeah, for me personally, I don't I 489 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:35,199 don't use them, but I say, you know, just just kind of 490 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,800 know what you're using. If you do. I have heard good things. 491 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,880 We like the airplane mode. There are a couple Wool experiment with and we 492 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,320 can put the tones and airplane mode some of the word bank ones are interesting. 493 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,559 What happens with that is they always got to say something. They have 494 00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:54,239 to keep talking, right, so you kind of run into this thing where 495 00:36:54,239 --> 00:37:00,320 it's gonna say some word like we like necrophonics. Sometimes we know it's going 496 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,679 to say something creepy no matter what, because yeah, well I always say, 497 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,559 always look at your situation that's going on around you too, you know, 498 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,960 especially even when you're using like an ovelus five that's not attached to an 499 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,000 app. Um, look at the situation, because sometimes it will spit out 500 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,639 just random words too. But look at your situation, look at what you're 501 00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,719 asking, look at what's going on around you, because you know, sometimes 502 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,360 you have to look at the relevance of that. I guess, yeah, 503 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:31,280 I agree, I agree, we agree. Um. One of the ones 504 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,400 we use has all the words are backwards, right, so the word bank 505 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,719 is completely in reverse. It sounds a little like the sweetest chef if you 506 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:45,159 don't really have any experience, Like, yes, it kind of does a 507 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:50,039 little of that, but we've also gotten some responses out of it. Though, 508 00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:52,480 Yeah, wait a minute, that that actually worked, And like you 509 00:37:52,519 --> 00:38:00,400 mentioned, we agree, like spirits will use anything they can use noises around 510 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:05,400 us, like birds. We've had actually a bird in the background saying stuff. 511 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,840 So yeah, right, it went with everything that was being said. 512 00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:14,960 I definitely paradolia has has dropped, like the longer we've done this. Yeah, 513 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,159 absolutely, there's definitely something going on here that well we can rationalize and 514 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,039 say, well, that's just a bird, but kind of said something and 515 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:28,079 it kind of goes well, and that's the thing too. Um. A 516 00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:32,280 couple of the examples of evidence that that I've got, if if we play 517 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,800 it later on, it's kind of the same way. Um I was using 518 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,840 an oblis, I was also using the spirit box. I think you have 519 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,159 to be aware of how you ask your questions, you know, because like 520 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,639 if you know, if I pick up you know, this tool right here 521 00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,920 and I say, you know, I start using leading words trying to get 522 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:59,320 them to say, what's you know, what's in my hand, then you 523 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,199 know it may lead the device to say that. But if you say, 524 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,800 for instance, don't mention this, pick it up and say, you know, 525 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:10,960 I have something in my hand, what am I holding? You know? 526 00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,599 And there's a couple instances, one in particular, one of the pieces 527 00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:19,519 of evidence that I've got where They actually called it out on two devices. 528 00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:21,960 They called it out on the spirit Box and also called it out on the 529 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,199 Oblis, and I never mentioned the tool. I actually opened it up from 530 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:31,679 a bag. And also it was I was speaking specifically to a spirit who 531 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,639 had used this tool, and so it was kind of fascinating because it wasn't 532 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,239 related to I mean, the Oblis is independent from the phone. The spirit 533 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,440 box is just picking up random radio stations or just picking up static. And 534 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:52,079 it was actually answered what was in my hand. And so I think if 535 00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:54,679 you're careful with how you ask your questions, I think that that can actually 536 00:39:55,199 --> 00:40:00,280 assist in if you do decide to use an app or use something kind of 537 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,639 different, just ask non leading questions. That's great. And I like that 538 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,960 you had it confirmed on both devices, which is big. Any kind of 539 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,800 confirmation kind of gives something, gives it more legitimacy. Absolutely, you get 540 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,239 something on one tool, that's one thing. But if you can get multiple 541 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:22,119 tools to validate, then that's that's huge. We had a summerly thing happened 542 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:27,239 in Wilson Castle with the drop from an obulus small drop and it was saying 543 00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:30,000 on the it was just had a mix of acts and different things in the 544 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:34,400 boxes, they all kind of said the same thing, and that's when that 545 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,760 happens. Something. Absolutely, when something happens, we we tend to feel 546 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,400 that, we feel like a vibration, a frequency, and then all of 547 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,760 a sudden, it's like two minutes of like like where you are, like 548 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,519 doorslam, and then something happens and an EVP happens. It's all like in 549 00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:53,000 that mishmash of like two minutes or a minute or something. It's it's very 550 00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:57,480 bizarre. Yeah, string of events. Yeah. Is that something you notice 551 00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,280 as well? That when a phenomena occurs, it's seems to happen in these 552 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,599 little segments of like everything starts going crazy for a little while and then it's 553 00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:07,800 gone and it may come back, you know, I mean, or you 554 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,559 might be done for the night, and it was just that little definites of 555 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,519 activity. Yeah, we've noticed it here. I've noticed it on a lot 556 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,920 of investigations. I love to use the EDI plus box and I like to 557 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,360 always keep that with me anytime I'm investigating. For me, it kind of 558 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:30,800 travels with me to each room, Like if I'm investigating in five different rooms, 559 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,239 that's one that's always with me because I like to keep check of the 560 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:40,960 atmospheric changes. And I've noticed that the anytime the pressure changes on that I 561 00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:45,039 tend to get more activity, more of like a string of activity happening. 562 00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:50,519 It's not always, but that seems to always or seems to be the case 563 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,320 a lot of the time. Is the pressure will change more so than if 564 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:58,480 it's like a hot or cold spike, or even when the humidity changes, 565 00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:00,840 it seems to be more of a pressure change, and I like to map 566 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,159 that data. Um That's what I like about that tool is it will map 567 00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:07,639 it out on the SD card and you can go in and look and you 568 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:12,440 can actually cross reference that with different events that you've had during the investigation to 569 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,320 see if if it actually lines up. But that's probably one of my absolute 570 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,760 favorite tools because I like to keep check of all the atmospheric changes in real 571 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,920 time. In the moment. Terry says, interesting, now must have an 572 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:30,239 EEDI ye, must must have And it's it's simple. It also has the 573 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:36,039 EMF detector on it and then it also has the geffoam on it that will 574 00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,440 detect vibration. So it does a lot of different I think a lot of 575 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,039 things that even a lot of investigators haven't even you know, to scraped the 576 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,000 surface of that will do. Yeah, and that's parametric pressure that you're talking. 577 00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:52,360 Yeah, yeah, that is a cool, cool device. We don't 578 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,920 we don't own one yet. Yeah, Y immediately familiar with and uh yeah, 579 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:06,079 that's super cool. Chris, my life is listening. There are people 580 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:13,800 sold sold highest bidder and uh, doctor Suttner says, it's great, great 581 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:19,360 tool as what I need to see about getting a sponsorship. Then you heard 582 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,440 it here. Yeah, you can do like one of those links so you 583 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,920 get a percentage or something like that. There you go for you. Um, 584 00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:29,920 now you mentioned that. I think this is really interesting that because of 585 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,480 the nature of having to travel light on a on a motorcycle, what are 586 00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:37,480 the kind of tools that you like to take with you and why so? 587 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:43,280 So, I'm typically a solo investigator. UM, I either investigate by myself 588 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:49,000 or I investigate with a videographer that travels with me. So and I do 589 00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:52,360 collaborations as well, but I like to keep the numbers small. So for 590 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,559 me, I always have my ed a plus box with me. I do 591 00:43:55,639 --> 00:44:00,519 love my dowsing rods, um those you know, for me, I really 592 00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:05,039 like those because you don't have to worry about the battery drain. You can 593 00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,360 also ask very simple I mean they're very simple, and a lot of the 594 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,800 spirits are at least familiar with them. You're not asking them to touch a 595 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,440 light that they may not understand. You know, they may associate light with 596 00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:20,480 candle. With this, you can ask your directional questions, your yes and 597 00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:24,079 no questions, so I always make sure I have those. I know that 598 00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:29,559 there's also a lot of controversies surrounding this, but I love the flashlights, 599 00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:36,000 and I always carry multiple flashlights with me and treat it almost sort of like 600 00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:39,880 a game, and which we've been able to get some really interesting responses with 601 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,000 that, where not only myself or not only the spirits communicate with the flashlights, 602 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:52,079 but also myself communicating back and forth with them. And then also well 603 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:57,480 and then too if you can get temperature changes and stuff, whenever you're getting 604 00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,599 changes with the flashlight, I like to be able to correlate tho. And 605 00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:07,360 then of course just your general spirit box and rimpod just I keep a real 606 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,679 light kind of like a go bag of stuff that I'm able to just kind 607 00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:16,239 of sling over my shoulder there and then I also carry static cameras as well. 608 00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:22,480 In those static camera packs I always have, I've sort of created them 609 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:27,440 to wear. There's a static camera, There is a audio recorder with prerecorded 610 00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:31,639 questions, because I like to see whether they react different if I'm asking a 611 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,400 question or if I've prerecorded it and just have it in the room. Also 612 00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:40,719 a laser grid and a flashlight in with that, so that if I leave 613 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,519 a static camera and I'm not actively investigating in that room, it gives them 614 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:49,480 something that they're able to use. And then just any type of trigger item. 615 00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:52,559 I like to see what the location that I'm going to and I like 616 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:58,639 to pick trigger item specifically for that location. That's great, and it's not 617 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:00,239 as simple as I thought. Other you're just gonna say, well, I 618 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,320 keep a recorder and person, that's it. There's a few things in there. 619 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,320 Yeah, there's a few things, but like I said, a little 620 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,760 go bag. I mean to try to document, but always have the recorder. 621 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,280 And of course each of the cameras have a static recorder with them as 622 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,360 well. Oh that is super cool. I love that and as a laser 623 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,559 gride pretty as much for you as far as the shadows those sort of things 624 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:28,639 I have captured some in a few different locations. Yeah, um for for 625 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,000 me, you know it. I mean it just helps when you're sitting there 626 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,119 watching hours worth of video. And these static cameras that I have, they're 627 00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:40,119 just little cameras that are battery powered and so um so. Yeah. So 628 00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:44,800 if I'm sitting there watching the cameras, I like to have the laser grid. 629 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,119 They're just in case. It helps where your eye doesn't get lost, 630 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,079 and there have been a couple of times where I've gotten some interesting shadow activity 631 00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:55,239 from it. Really. Oh that's so cool. Greig has a question for 632 00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,440 you, He says, Maranda. My eed I plus is awesome. Did 633 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,360 you do the download from the company I'm assuming like a firmware uptate that just 634 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,440 came out not that long ago. If so, is the print out worth 635 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,800 it? I have not done the new the new download. I'm always iffy 636 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,960 and hold off a little bit to hear how what other people think on that 637 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,960 sort of thing, because it always seems like when something new comes out there 638 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,639 are bugs. I did have somebody investigating here at the jail that did the 639 00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:29,400 new did the new print out, and they did not like it as well 640 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:35,480 as they as the previous one, but I've kind of held off because I'm 641 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:42,000 I really like the way they do or the way they did the earlier print 642 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,639 outs. Well that is very cool, but I'm not discouraging because I don't 643 00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:51,800 you know, it depends on what what you like, but I probably will 644 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,760 at some point. They'll probably end up making us but probably Yeah, Scott 645 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,599 says Kim and I have tried with the idea of taking the bike on extended 646 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:05,559 trip involve multiple investigations. They should for sure, absolutely absolutely should. That 647 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:07,239 would be the way to do it. If if we rode and I think 648 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,280 I'm just too scared to do it, I'll do it. I have no 649 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,199 problem. Yeah. The last time I wrote a motorcycle is having every flashback 650 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:22,119 from car accidents. They could possibly have it. Like, No, I 651 00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,800 like the racing, so I likes I like everything. Well, you know, 652 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,119 for me, it just made perfect sense. Um. They I pair 653 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:35,639 my investigations like I do my motorcycle riding. I think that they really parallel 654 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,519 each other really well, because I mean I feel like you either way, 655 00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,199 you you know, whether you're doing an investigation or getting on the bike, 656 00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:45,639 you've got to be in the right frame of mind and so it's you know, 657 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,199 for me, it helps to center me, but also you know, 658 00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:52,599 you've got a plan for it. You've got to be in the right frame 659 00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,559 of mind. You've got to watch out for others around and everything going on. 660 00:48:55,639 --> 00:49:00,440 You need to be aware of your surroundings and be able to try control 661 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,960 as much as you can. It's the same kind of thing with the investigation. 662 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,159 I mean, trying to keep control of that environment and be aware of 663 00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:12,920 everything, whether it be noise, light, or whoever's out in the area, 664 00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,519 or even just knowing the history. I think that you can really parallel 665 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:21,280 the two. So for me, it was just a natural fit of you 666 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,000 know, combining the passion of motorcycle riding with my passion of history and the 667 00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:30,920 paranormal. You mentioned at the front that you used to take you go writing 668 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:36,159 with your dad to different places. Was that motorcycle riding and it was not. 669 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:42,039 It was not. My parents were never really into motorcycles and kind of 670 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,480 we're not really happy at the very beginning when I started riding, But it 671 00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:52,639 was mostly riding in a riding in an old truck, you know, on 672 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:58,239 back roads. And yes, I mean we would spend every opportunity he liked 673 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,679 taking me all around the areas, sharing about how, you know, these 674 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:07,840 certain areas that are now nothing more than just maybe just a little sign on 675 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,280 the side of the road. But back in the day, whenever the county 676 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,880 or community was being established, they were big boomtowns, and so either big 677 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:22,599 mining communities or timber mills or you know, they had a big purpose and 678 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:25,559 there would be thousands of people that lived in that area, and now it's 679 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:30,039 even hard to find them, more than a family of five or ten people 680 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,400 living in that area. So he shared a lot of those stories, talked 681 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,920 about a lot of the way things used to be, and that just you 682 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,880 know, I wish now that I had had recorders with me whenever I was 683 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,960 traveling with him, because you try to take it all in and try to 684 00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:50,880 remember it. And he since passed, and you know, I wish there 685 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,320 were questions I could ask, you know, yes, yeah, And so 686 00:50:55,559 --> 00:51:00,599 it's for me that was such time well spent, you know, doing that, 687 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:06,440 because now I never dreamed, you know, you mentioned at the beginning 688 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,079 of the show, my background is in marketing, and I spent twenty one 689 00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:15,719 years in corporate America. I never dreamed that my job would be curating a 690 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:21,320 museum and traveling around talking about the paranormal, traveling around talking about history, 691 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,960 and really bringing people in and introducing them to history. So I really value 692 00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:30,519 that time that I spent with my dad and my grandma hearing these stories, 693 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,360 and I look back now and just wish I could take more in. You 694 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,760 know, you just never know where you're going to end up. Both of 695 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,239 us can definitely relate to that. Yes, yeah, that's wonderfun. It's 696 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,480 what if you got to spend that time to get in and see some of 697 00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:47,519 that history. Because towns do come and go in America, and it's an 698 00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:52,239 interesting thing, and there has to be some sort of imprint left by the 699 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:57,039 people that were there before, and you know, emotions hang around at least 700 00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:01,679 residually. Oh absolutely. And that's what I always tell people when i'm speaking, 701 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,440 is that you know, if you go out on your motorcycle or go 702 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,000 out in the car, just pay attention to everything that's going on around you. 703 00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:15,400 Because all of these little towns they have some type of story to them. 704 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,559 And so I do a lot of haunted motorcycle rides here in the area, 705 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,679 and I've partnered with Harley Davidson on some in different areas of the country, 706 00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:29,280 and we've done haunted rides and so we don't always get to stop at 707 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,440 the places, but I'll I'll plan the route and then I'll do a presentation 708 00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:37,800 about what the places we're going to be going through and some of the stories 709 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:43,039 about some of these places that you would never even know there was a town 710 00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:49,760 there is phenomenal about how they started and what led to their demise, you 711 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,079 know. So so I always tell people it's like, yeah, the big 712 00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:58,599 commercial locations, yeah, we want you to come to places like the historic 713 00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:01,760 Scott County Jail. We're not a big, huge location or anything. But 714 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,039 um, it doesn't You don't have to go to a commercial location to have 715 00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:10,079 an experience. If you just close your eyes touch anywhere on a map, 716 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,800 you're going to find somewhere that anywhere you touch on there, you're gonna find 717 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,960 somewhere that's got a story that may just be locally known, but you know, 718 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,440 you may look out and to be somewhere that's that's regionally known. So 719 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,159 it's they're out there. It just doesn't have to be big and grand. 720 00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:30,480 It can be something as as simple and small as just a spot in the 721 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,800 road. No, it's that's so true. Absolutely, they put roads through 722 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,000 everything. I mean they got to remember, you know, there were a 723 00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:43,440 lot more people here before they started building up and everything, and yeah, 724 00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:50,480 putting roads and highways like through the appellations right there too. Absolutely, they 725 00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:55,239 all have history in it. Like Kristen mentioned earlier, there's always a little 726 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,360 truth through the folklore. You hear a lot of the same folklore. And 727 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,800 I'm sure you seen this and your travels from town to town, and it's 728 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:07,639 like the woman in white story and we talk about um spirits perhaps playing roles 729 00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:10,679 him. We'll step up to these roles because you hear such similar stories. 730 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,440 The little boy in the graveyard which we encounter. There's always seems like there's 731 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:23,039 always a cry baby bridge somewhere. There's always I can name about four states 732 00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:29,000 that I've gone to that has a cry baby bridge in it. And uh, 733 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,920 you know, and there's always a woman in white. There's always um 734 00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:37,920 you know, the kids that are pushing the car. You know that that 735 00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:43,239 will leave the handprints on the car. Yea. There's a lot of interesting 736 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,639 stories and I'm always fascinating and that's what I like to to to go in 737 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:53,559 and see if we can get some type of validation to these stories. Um, 738 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:58,199 you know, there's some reason that they started. Whether somebody was traveling 739 00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:02,039 and hurt it somewhere else and and they kind of brought it to their area. 740 00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:07,079 You never know, but um, but it is interesting how you do 741 00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:09,679 seem to find these different stories all around the country. They are they do 742 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:15,960 have their similarities, absolutely absolutely, and it's like they know it as well, 743 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:20,039 and perhaps they're like trick our objects for us, right exactly, especially 744 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,440 very true. Yes, you know children or you know broken hearted bride or 745 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:30,119 whatever it might be. You know too, the audience that doesn't know what 746 00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:36,119 is a crybaby bridge? Yes, we're familiar with the term, but well 747 00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:39,239 a lot of them that the ones that I've seen, the two that come 748 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,840 to minds the one in South Carolina and the one that is in Alabama. 749 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,880 I think there's I think there's one in Kentucky too, Um where someone the 750 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,639 ones I'm familiar with was where whether it be a family member or a dad, 751 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:58,079 a mom threw through a baby over a bridge and you can hear the 752 00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:02,159 baby crime whenever you go. Whether some of the stories say you either stop 753 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:07,920 on the bridge or some of them you have to walk across so many times 754 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:14,400 say something, and particularly the ones I've heard of is typically a baby that 755 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,440 has been thrown over the bridge by by a family member. It's terrible. 756 00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:22,599 It's it happens in Wells as well. That makes sense. But yeah, 757 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,079 well yeah, our friend Chris spalles Own has written about a few in his 758 00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,800 books, Yes, Folklore and Haunted Areas, and he's been on here quite 759 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,480 a bit over the years. In fact, we're due to talk to him 760 00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:38,800 again. We are um and we've talked about the Gray Baby Bridge and some 761 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:44,480 other stuff I wasn't aware of until he told us, like how prevalent they 762 00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:46,719 are? Yeah, there are? Is there some up in your area as 763 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:52,039 well? Not as many. He's actually from Florida now, but you know 764 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,400 he's from our area, England. And yeah, it's the guy brought Fuachi 765 00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:06,119 into the into the talking space of the paranormal and heed on forest. Yes, 766 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,840 yeah, that is fascinating. Have you found any truth of the legends 767 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:15,440 that people talk about when you have investigated them, Do you encounter the same 768 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,280 things as maybe the oral tradition is carried on? Great question. One of 769 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,679 them that I can definitely speak to and I did end up highlighting it in 770 00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:28,599 my series. I actually highlighted it in episode one of season one. Is 771 00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:31,960 the Bleeding Mausoleum, which is there in Cleveland, Tennessee. It's also known 772 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,960 as the crag Miles Mausoleum, and so um, there's been legend forever about 773 00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:43,599 about this about this mausoleum that that's there at Saint Luke's Church. It's the 774 00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,960 only mausoleum that's there in the churchyard, and there are five people buried in 775 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:52,159 it. They are family members, and so um. It starts with the 776 00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:57,119 story of little Nina krag Miles who was writing with her grandfather who was a 777 00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:00,880 local physician. They were writing in his cover or in his wagon, and 778 00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:07,000 as they came upon a train crossing a train comes, the horse rears up 779 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:13,239 throws a little Nina Kraigmiles from the carriage and she ends up getting killed by 780 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,039 the by the cow catcher there on the train. And so her dad, 781 00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:22,000 he was one of the founding members there in Cleveland, and so he ended 782 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:25,360 up because she did pass away. On Saint Luke's day, he built Saint 783 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:32,360 Luke's Episcopal Church and built this mausoleum out of Carrara marble there in the cemetery 784 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,880 or there in the churchyard. And so about a couple of years after she 785 00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:40,559 passes, they have a baby. The baby only lived for a couple hours. 786 00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:45,599 He didn't even have a name's They end up putting him. He passes 787 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:49,920 away. They put him in the mausoleum. And then about seven or eight 788 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,559 years after that, John himself ends up slipping, hits his head, diedes 789 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:59,719 of blood poisoning. He's in the mausoleum. Well, his wife ends up 790 00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:04,719 living for I think about twenty or twenty five years after that. At that 791 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,440 point, cars are invented. She's remarried, and she's stepping out of her 792 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,440 house, and once she steps out of her house, she ends up getting 793 00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:17,880 hit by a car and passing away as well. So the story goes that 794 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,159 with each body that was put into the mausoleum, these red spots formed on 795 00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:28,519 the mausoleum, and they got bigger and they got deeper, and so when 796 00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:35,880 it rains, it looks like the mausoleum's bleeding. And it's interesting because yes 797 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,719 they can, you know, there are deformities in the marble, and when 798 00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:45,119 you go it truly does look like like it's bleeding. But they always said 799 00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:51,760 that if you walked around the mausoleum around midnight on certain times and you ask 800 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,880 and you said Nina, Nina, come out and play with me, that 801 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:59,519 she'll come out and play. And that's been the story just as long as 802 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,639 as I've lived there, and as long as other friends who are from the 803 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,480 area would talk about. And so the mausoleum is, it's beautiful and so, 804 01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:13,079 but it's also in the middle of town, so you do have to 805 01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:17,559 investigate it late at night. And so I went on three different occasions investigated 806 01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:23,559 there and got some really interesting activity, had had some great dowsing rod responses. 807 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:30,840 Actually ended up I had a recorder placed right inside the gate, right 808 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,079 there at the door. Also was wearing a mobile recorder on me myself, 809 01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:42,199 and was able to get some interesting responses audibly on the recorder there coming from 810 01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:46,320 inside the mausoleum. And so on the second night, after walking around and 811 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,880 asking Nina to come out and play, I did a dousing rod session back 812 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,280 in behind where the playground is and ended up getting what sounded like a child 813 01:00:55,639 --> 01:01:04,000 singing, almost singing like a nursery rhyme kind of thing. It was really 814 01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:07,679 creepy, and I did hear it in the moment, so it was a 815 01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:09,559 disembodied voice. I didn't know what I was hearing until I went back to 816 01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:15,360 reviewed it, and interestingly enough, I've not put this little piece of evidence 817 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:21,480 out and I should. We did a like a viewing party for the night 818 01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:25,639 of the episode when it released, and we had about nine people there at 819 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:30,239 my friend Josh's house, and so we decided after it was over, we 820 01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:35,559 were going to walk over to the mausoleum, and so we all go over 821 01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:39,039 there. We marched around the mausoleum seven times, asked Nina to come out 822 01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:44,480 and play, and as soon as we did, we ask mister krag Miles 823 01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:49,119 if he would mind Nina coming out and talking to us, and right after 824 01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,360 that we caught and we didn't hear it in the moment, but when we 825 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,840 went back and listened on the recorder, we catched this little girl that says 826 01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,920 hello, And so we didn't know it until we went back and listened, 827 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,719 and we were probably only there. Maybe did maybe like a ten minute first 828 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,400 session to see if we could get any type of communication. You know, 829 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:14,679 a lot of those really challenging whenever you have a lot of people, but 830 01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:19,400 um, none of us heard it, but we but that record caught it 831 01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:22,960 and we were pretty amazed. And several of the people who were kind of 832 01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:27,000 skeptical was like, Okay, I don't know who that was. I don't 833 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:35,320 know where that came from. But exactly so, that was one that you 834 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,239 know, whether it's paranormal or not, I don't know, but that mausoleum 835 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:45,360 definitely has an interesting vibe to it. It truly has an interesting history and 836 01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:51,960 story behind it, and it's definitely got something unexplained that that does seem to 837 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:58,559 happen whenever you you go and um participate, I guess in the in the 838 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:04,199 local legend, in the folklore right around it many times because we actually have 839 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,320 something like that is the whole mansion that that happens. We have a lot 840 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,719 of stuff like that. It's almost just like that, though Spider Gates, 841 01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:15,239 there's the cemetery reared up and what is his name? And Spider Gates, 842 01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:19,159 because that's a big one. People might even be familiar with that. Hers 843 01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:22,000 was a run around the team Stone ten times. Oh that's Earl. That's 844 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:27,920 yeah, yeah, Marmaduke curl marm run around is great right times ten times 845 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,960 at midnight and that you will appear and it's one of the places where people 846 01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:35,320 leave a lot of trinkets and coins change. Yes, you know, yeah, 847 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,519 yeah, there's um there's one place there. It's the same thing. 848 01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:44,840 It's a park and they say there was a person who supposedly or allegedly hung 849 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:50,800 themselves in um this gazebo. And they say if you go around that so 850 01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,039 many times and ask questions that you will have They say you'll have a car 851 01:03:55,079 --> 01:03:59,719 accident or or the people will be met with with a dark fight. And 852 01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:01,559 so I'm sitting here and I'm like, as much as I would love to 853 01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:05,159 test that, that's great, but I am very superstitious, and I am 854 01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:10,119 on a motorcycle, so I don't want to tempt fate. But it is 855 01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:15,599 interesting how you do get these these stories like that that's supposed to I guess, 856 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,920 I guess in some kind of weird way. It's you could say it's 857 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:24,360 like conjuring activity by you know, participating in that. But um, it 858 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,280 is fascinating how these they get the thing, Okay, run around it so 859 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,920 many times and say this certain thing a ritual repetition, Yeah, yeah, 860 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:36,159 ritual, And people you know they love which run to rituals. Rituals are 861 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:41,840 part of the human experience. Yeah, you know, it could be something 862 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,719 like a lake necromancy on my shirt, or it could be as simple as 863 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,159 running around a tombstone or a mausoleum. It's so interesting, I know, 864 01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:53,280 George mentions. He says, I keep hearing stories where a spirit stays around. 865 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,199 It's partly remains. I'm wondering why that is. That's a great question, 866 01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:02,280 George. Um, they they do. There are haunted cemeteries absolutely and 867 01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:08,480 haunted everything houses because they don't want to leave places. What do you do 868 01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:13,679 you think I definitely think so. Um. You know, growing up here 869 01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:16,880 in East Tennessee, we were not at a shortage of cemeteries to ghost Town, 870 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,760 and I know it's kind of different in different areas. I was not 871 01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:28,000 aware that cemeteries closed, you know, until I started traveling elsewhere and didn't 872 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,360 know you weren't supposed to be in them after dark. But because around here, 873 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,400 you know, there's so many different family plots, there's so many different 874 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:39,400 cemeteries that might be on the side of the mountain that are are truly forgotten 875 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:44,480 about because the family may pass on and there's nobody there to care take it. 876 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:49,320 Yeah, and so I do believe. I've ran across several very haunted 877 01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:56,280 cemeteries. I don't necessarily believe that the person this is just me personally, 878 01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:01,159 is staying there with their body. But I tend to believe that it's about 879 01:06:01,199 --> 01:06:05,599 the energy that's displaced within that cemetery. You know, if you think of 880 01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:10,159 all the people that are buried in there and all the people that come to 881 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,760 visit that, you know, all the tears that were shed there, all 882 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:20,360 the memories that people come into a cemetery with, good or bad. That's 883 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:26,079 why I tend to believe that a cemetery itself tends to be active. I 884 01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:31,840 think there's some instances where a person may go back to where their remains are. 885 01:06:32,199 --> 01:06:36,880 I don't necessarily feel they stay with that. Like I said, that's 886 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,360 just me, but I think anything is possible. I just tend to think 887 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,800 it tends to be a little more of the energy that's put into the location, 888 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,559 because those are those in funeral homes. I mean, just the intense 889 01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:55,360 energy because sometimes I mean because most of the time you're seeing people that you 890 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,840 maybe haven't seen in years. Family reunions, if you will. They're not 891 01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:02,199 under good circumstances, you know when you see them, and these may be 892 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:08,079 people that you either never see again or that you see only at at a 893 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:13,519 funeral, funeral or a wedding. So just the emotion that goes into those 894 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,480 grounds is incredible, that's right. It's like the last place where like your 895 01:07:17,519 --> 01:07:20,840 family convenes, and sometimes, like you said, there's people there that maybe 896 01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:26,760 that person wouldn't have really wanted to be there. There's an emotional imprint surrounding 897 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,960 that. Yes, there's something very sacred about burial places in general. I 898 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,400 think ye that just maybe you know goes it's bigger than humans. Elephants have 899 01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:39,480 a burial ground, right, I'm sure certain other animals do as well. 900 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,280 And the idea of you know, dying in a certain place and all that 901 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:48,760 are passing, there's probably something very inherent on a low level to just being 902 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:54,440 absolutely and you know with that mausoleum, the fact that you know, the 903 01:07:54,480 --> 01:08:00,239 fact that her dad was so distraught of losing his daughter at such a young 904 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,840 age, but he also had this pride by building that church and building that 905 01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:09,880 mausoleum specifically for her. You know, you can only imagine just the emotion 906 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,440 he put when he was building this, and then to have himself and his 907 01:08:13,519 --> 01:08:16,600 family in there. He's got this sense of pride because he's he's wanting to 908 01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:21,520 uh, he's proud that he's building this a place for her, for her 909 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:27,119 body too, because I think it was like three years after the mausoleum was 910 01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:31,520 completed at that point. And then just the sadness that he would feel, 911 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,319 you know, from losing here. So it had to be such a mix 912 01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:40,920 of emotions that would experience. And so when you think of the stone and 913 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,840 stuff, absorbing that and taking that in, there's definitely going to be some 914 01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:51,039 strong residual at least energy that's there. And I would say definitely some intelligent 915 01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:56,079 as well. Absolutely, we we agree with that because, um, when 916 01:08:56,119 --> 01:09:00,760 you say about the stone, it's it's like animism talk about um stones have 917 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:06,560 but not a soul, but feelings that would the energy would be like where 918 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:11,840 you are, you have a stone building exactly, so everything would be absorbed, 919 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,119 all the stone. Um. So the building that we're in, if 920 01:09:15,119 --> 01:09:17,560 you've if you've not ever seen, you know, if you look up the 921 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:23,359 historic Scott County Jail, it's it's very impressive building. Uh, it's it's 922 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:27,560 a sandstone castle that's here in the middle of the mountains of East Tennessee. 923 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:32,399 And you know, sandstone is very high in the element of quartz or the 924 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:38,760 mineral quarts, and so we've got we're completely surrounded by that. We're also 925 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:44,119 surrounded with all the iron bars that are in here. And then um New 926 01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:48,560 River runs right back in behind the jail here. There's a nice little waterfall 927 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,680 back here. So there's there's a lot of things that's going to be holding 928 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:58,399 and conducting that energy in just in this location itself. Absolutely, iron is 929 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,520 very banknetic and water alone. Chiefs think magnetism may also play a role. 930 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:08,079 Kim says, it's all necromancy, isn't it in some way? And I 931 01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:12,000 just said something that we say a lot, because if you're asking any kind 932 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,199 of spirit, the disembodied spirit somebody has passed on to do something for you, 933 01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:19,079 like speak into your radio or speak through your spirit box, that is 934 01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:24,439 by definition necromancy. And that you know, a little wink, wink, 935 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,279 nudge and nudge with the shirt. Although we kind of like those things too. 936 01:10:27,279 --> 01:10:31,760 And it's nothing new that dates back to as far as civilizations go that 937 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:39,560 have recorded anything it's a cave art to some Sumrian people used to write it 938 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:47,479 uniforms Mesopotamia as a gentleman named Irving Finkel who translates those cuneiforms, and what 939 01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:57,039 you know they actually say in regards to necromantic practices is super interesting. Yeah, 940 01:10:57,119 --> 01:11:00,520 great stuff. I love this. It's all energy and vite brations. 941 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:05,359 Yes. And to circle back to comment George had made I ask that original 942 01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:09,079 question. He said something about apps, and we do. I can find 943 01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:12,800 it real quick because that was pretty funny. And he says, I have 944 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,640 a friend she really likes the apps. Me not too much, but her 945 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:21,760 necrophonic said clearly, Hey George, so I guess some apps would. But 946 01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:28,279 they can use anything. They can use anything, So they can use anything. 947 01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:31,439 It's a funny thing to get from the app itself. Very cool. 948 01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:34,800 I just don't like to limit. I mean, I like to tell people. 949 01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:40,119 I mean, we're in we're in a field that requires you to have 950 01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:44,760 an open mind, and so I think we've got to be you know, 951 01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:47,840 I think we have to be very strict with our practices and and all of 952 01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,239 that. But I do think, you know, you got to keep an 953 01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:56,119 open mind because I think spirit communication happens a lot more than what people realize. 954 01:11:56,159 --> 01:12:00,640 We just aren't really paying attention, aren't really listening. You know that 955 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,000 that's probably, in my opinion, why there was such a high spike in 956 01:12:04,119 --> 01:12:08,720 activity right after, you know, the pandemic, and everybody was home. 957 01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:13,159 People were home and they were listening, you know. So again, you 958 01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:16,079 just you can't limit you just you just have to really look at your circumstances 959 01:12:16,079 --> 01:12:20,439 and what's going on around you when and again know how those things work. 960 01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:26,159 Absolutely keeping an awareness of your environment, it's just a good thing to do 961 01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:30,079 in general, and listen to those things. Maybe that knock in the attic 962 01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:32,920 that happens every night at a certain time, isn't you know, just the 963 01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:38,079 wind, you know, anse sort of things that people noticed after the pandemic, 964 01:12:38,119 --> 01:12:41,840 like you mentioned when you were home more. Yeah, that article is 965 01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:45,039 earned a day. Yeah, it's like so many people noticed that their houses 966 01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:51,840 were haunted. People were home much more and and nothing to do other than 967 01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:59,119 listen to the squeaks and creeks of their house. And so yeah, I 968 01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:04,199 think that either either they're just really getting to know their their home or there 969 01:13:04,279 --> 01:13:09,119 really is something out there that you know, they just maybe didn't pay attention 970 01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:13,159 to because they were lost in the hustle and bustle of getting gone to work. 971 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,520 Yeah. Yeah, that brings up a good point. How do you 972 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:20,880 feel about daytime investigating? I like daytime investigating. Um, you know, 973 01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:27,399 to me, I've always investigated based on opportunity, whether it was day or 974 01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,520 not. Here we get the exact same I don't want to say the exact 975 01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:35,439 same things, but we get activity day or night. Sometimes it's different. 976 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:40,479 Sometimes it's more residual at you know, during the day because you've got your 977 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:45,640 daytime activities going on. I do like to investigate at night, just because 978 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,920 at that point, you know, if you're investigating in a in a town, 979 01:13:48,199 --> 01:13:51,920 it's quieter at that point, or it's uh, you know, you 980 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:58,279 can control for your environment at that But I've had a couple of investigations that 981 01:13:58,319 --> 01:14:02,600 I've highlighted on my season that we're done during the day, and they're definitely 982 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:08,199 not as creepy when you're doing today if you're trying to go for that creep 983 01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:13,199 factor. But you can definitely get some really interesting activity. And I would 984 01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:16,359 have to say that some of my best stuff has actually been captured during the 985 01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:21,000 day. We would agree, Yeah, ohheartedly. Yes, I think some 986 01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:27,840 of our very best phenomena occurred the middle of the day. Yeaheah, Yeah, 987 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,039 but you're right. I mean, I think investigating at night dark house 988 01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:35,359 by an r I R late, you know, there's something about that that's 989 01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:42,600 just certainly scary. And I mean there's and there's a reason why, right, 990 01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:46,199 Yeah, there's a reason why we blindfold you know during an estis method. 991 01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:49,399 I mean it's too yeah, I mean to take away your sight, 992 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:54,560 but to heighten your senses and stuff that. I mean, that does definitely 993 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,800 help put yourself in that sensory deprived state, and things are just different. 994 01:14:59,039 --> 01:15:01,640 We're in a more hottened state anyways, when it's dark. If if I'm 995 01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:06,640 here in the jail after dark and up on the upper floors with the lights 996 01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:11,279 off, I mean I know this jail like the back of my hand, 997 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,399 but things look different, things sound different, things are creepier at night, 998 01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:19,640 and and it does it does tend to heighten yourself because you're in that more 999 01:15:20,359 --> 01:15:26,439 hotened, fierce state. Um. But I mean, for me, just 1000 01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:30,520 some of the best solid evidence that I've captured, especially when it comes to 1001 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:36,119 EVPs and some shadows, even because if you're in a house that kind of 1002 01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:41,359 has that ambient light. I don't like to investigate just in the dark. 1003 01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,720 So even if it's not time, I like to have some ambient light just 1004 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,880 so you can capture your shadow figures better. What do you think about shadow 1005 01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:58,560 figures? People wear hats like, you know, a scali Yeah, I 1006 01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:03,560 think they're they're fascinating. Um, i've I do you know. I had 1007 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:08,439 to. I had Mike Ricksecker on my show, and he had some really 1008 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:13,800 interesting theories about those that that made a lot of sense to me. I 1009 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,600 don't and this is just again me personally. I don't believe a lot of 1010 01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,880 people tend to think that the shadow figures are are all dark and negative. 1011 01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:27,079 I don't. I don't think that, um necessarily could they be? Yes, 1012 01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:32,039 But also, you know, anything has the potential to to um not 1013 01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:39,640 necessarily be be positive. But um, I tend to think. One of 1014 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:45,079 the ways I heard them described was that, you know, it's kind of 1015 01:16:45,079 --> 01:16:50,479 how we're seeing it. Our eyes may not be able to um comprehend yeah, 1016 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:57,159 to actually be able to see the color or the brilliance of all the 1017 01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:00,359 colors, and so it may be a translation type thing. The way that 1018 01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:03,039 our eyes and our brain are translating what we're seeing. It could also be 1019 01:17:03,039 --> 01:17:09,199 a vibration level that, um, you're not on the same vibration as what 1020 01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:13,760 you're seeing, and that's how you're seeing it. Um. Some of his 1021 01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:18,119 theories really really made a lot of sense to me. Oh yeah, we 1022 01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:23,520 watched the documentary as well. Okay talks about it, and um, yeah 1023 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,079 we kind of agree. Oh hardly, right, like when we talk about 1024 01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:29,920 the dimensional thing where the frequencies and you're just kind of like maybe a little 1025 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,880 bit in and they come across as a shadow or something like that. Actually, 1026 01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,399 I think it's documentary is called the Shadow Dimension, right, Yeah, 1027 01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:41,720 that's that is a lot of it featured the Conjuring House, which right down 1028 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,359 the street, so Mike's Mike's grady and does have some great stuff on that 1029 01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:49,800 and like seeing percent of your human perceptions you only see a certain bound of 1030 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:54,039 the em band, we only hear a certain amount. Yeah, we love 1031 01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:57,279 that because I think that really is true. Yeah. I had a lady 1032 01:17:57,319 --> 01:18:01,359 in and she actually explained it to me before before I heard Mike's theory on 1033 01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:05,600 it, and it actually really made a lot of sense because being an artist 1034 01:18:06,039 --> 01:18:10,640 and knowing, you know, kind of how you know how we see and 1035 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,680 what color, what color is made up of, and what colors are lack 1036 01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,079 of color? Um, you know. She was telling me she wanted me 1037 01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:24,439 to actually draw a vision that she had, and the vision that she had 1038 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:30,479 was when and unfortunately she has since passed away herself, but she wanted she 1039 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,279 had a vision the day that her dad passed away. He was in the 1040 01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:40,640 hospital and she said she was praying and meditating and said that someone had she 1041 01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:45,520 just got a feeling that something was going to happen. And so before her 1042 01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,960 mom called and told her what happened, she had this vision that she saw 1043 01:18:50,279 --> 01:18:56,920 her dad laying in a hospital bed and he was surrounded by six shadow figures. 1044 01:18:57,279 --> 01:19:00,279 Now when we hear that, we tend to think, okay, what 1045 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:06,000 is he doing being surrounded by these dark figures? And she said she saw 1046 01:19:06,039 --> 01:19:10,880 them lift him up. He was very limp when they lifted him up, 1047 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,199 legs and arms hanging down. And then after they raised him up, he 1048 01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:19,920 actually raised up like he was reaching towards the heavens. And she said she 1049 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:27,119 then saw, excuse me, his face smiling and rejoicing, and then it 1050 01:19:27,279 --> 01:19:32,159 saw it kind of moving toward her his face. And so right after that, 1051 01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:36,840 she got a call from from her mom that her dad had passed away, 1052 01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:43,680 and so she was an older lady, and she said that one of 1053 01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,000 the things, you know, she had been working on, she had the 1054 01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:51,000 vision of sight, and so she had actually been working with another lady who 1055 01:19:51,079 --> 01:19:55,920 was helping her to develop this, and so she was actually kind of troubled 1056 01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:00,960 by the dark shadow figures. And the lady described it as she our eyes 1057 01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:06,720 cannot see the brilliance of the color of the folks that were lifting him up. 1058 01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:15,000 And that really resonated with me because it's like, of course it would 1059 01:20:15,039 --> 01:20:19,279 show up black, because that would be all colors combined, the black would 1060 01:20:19,279 --> 01:20:26,199 be whereas white would be the absence of color. And so um, that 1061 01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:31,520 made perfect sense and actually really made made my perception of shadow figures change because 1062 01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:36,399 maybe that is the case. Maybe we can't, maybe our eyes cannot comprehend 1063 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:43,960 and actually truly see what maybe animals or somebody else that can or something else 1064 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,680 that can see in that spectrum is actually seen exactly such a thing. Yes, 1065 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,399 yes, with the eyes And I like that. Mike came out with 1066 01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,760 that, Micket came up with that and said, you know all that about 1067 01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,640 the eyes and like this is so true years let me say it for years. 1068 01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:05,199 I'm like, we can't comprehend anything. Yeah, um, you were 1069 01:21:05,279 --> 01:21:09,800 going to show us some some data from, yes, the jail. Maybe 1070 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,960 we could get into a little of that. Yes, yes, And I 1071 01:21:13,279 --> 01:21:16,000 apologize one of why my throat started tickling right when I was talking talking about 1072 01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:21,520 that. Um, yeah, I have several different pieces of evidence that I 1073 01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:26,840 can show. Um, do you want me to set it up first or 1074 01:21:27,119 --> 01:21:30,800 play it and then set it up? Oh? There's uh. Before we 1075 01:21:30,039 --> 01:21:35,039 started Henry Lisa's Good Evening from the old Gilchrist County Jail. I actually have 1076 01:21:35,119 --> 01:21:41,319 a piece of evidence from old Gilchrist County Jail that I can show and look 1077 01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:47,159 excellent. Um. So the first one that I'm going to show, since 1078 01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:53,479 we're talking about the jail here is uh something that was captured on our security 1079 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:58,880 camera footage. Um right here one night. So when we have paranormal teams 1080 01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,880 here, we we stay in the gift shop. We say we're on site 1081 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:08,439 but out of sight. And so the team had left. They left about 1082 01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,600 three o'clock and it was about three thirty in the morning. I had gone 1083 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:16,520 up and cleaned up after the team, and so I had come back down 1084 01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:21,239 and I stepped out into the hall right outside of the gift shop, which 1085 01:22:21,279 --> 01:22:27,079 is just right across from the door here, and I heard this deep, 1086 01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:32,319 rich hum. It went for about three seconds, it coughed and then excuse 1087 01:22:32,319 --> 01:22:38,600 me not cleared its throat and then went for three more seconds. And it 1088 01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,520 really kind of shocked me when I heard it, because it was so loud 1089 01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:47,319 and so unexpected. And so I continued what I was doing, and I 1090 01:22:47,359 --> 01:22:51,439 went back into the gift shop to get my stuff to leave, and I 1091 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,399 ended up calling my business partner and I say, when you go in the 1092 01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:59,119 next morning, pull the security cam footage and see if we captured this man. 1093 01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:03,039 Told her the time to look at and uh see if we caught him. 1094 01:23:03,079 --> 01:23:06,920 So she told me she was like, we did not catch the man 1095 01:23:08,319 --> 01:23:13,439 u humming. However, we did catch two voices, and so the one 1096 01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:18,039 I'm gonna play here, it will play it through. Man, they're like 1097 01:23:18,079 --> 01:23:24,600 a kiddie. Yeah, yeah, that's Sally. Sally, Sally as in 1098 01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:29,880 a cellmate Sally. I love it. Okay, see if this works this 1099 01:23:30,000 --> 01:24:00,720 time? Yes, yes, wow. That's one of the things we often 1100 01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,960 get here at the jail, as we get very we have very intelligent spirits 1101 01:24:06,039 --> 01:24:11,600 that are very aware of the situations that's going on. And so I believe 1102 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:16,720 that while I heard that humming taking place up on between the second and third 1103 01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:23,359 floor on the stairwell, that we believe that the people it's two distinct voices 1104 01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:27,319 and one says there she is, and the other says not so loud next 1105 01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:30,239 time, telling the spirit not to be so loud. So we do get 1106 01:24:30,279 --> 01:24:36,319 a lot of common things like that. Responses that the spirits, they seem 1107 01:24:36,359 --> 01:24:41,079 to be aware and very intelligent, and they'll talk about what you're wearing, 1108 01:24:41,119 --> 01:24:45,680 they'll talk about the articles on the wall. It's pretty wild. That is 1109 01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:51,199 great, and yet just clear EVPs coming through there. I turned a volume 1110 01:24:51,279 --> 01:24:55,319 up as much as I could. It probably seemed a little progressively louder out 1111 01:24:55,359 --> 01:24:58,239 there, but clearly based on reactions in the audience, they could hear it 1112 01:24:58,279 --> 01:25:01,039 as well. And those words are super clear. Yeah, just that out 1113 01:25:01,119 --> 01:25:04,880 of the blue. Yeah, And that was that was captured on our security 1114 01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:12,640 cam and the security cameras do not have as good audio recordings as our recorders 1115 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,239 do, so to be able to capture that as clear as it did. 1116 01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:21,800 Uh was was really was really impressive to us. Kim says, it sounds 1117 01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:27,800 like they're saying it because Spirit doesn't want to get caught. Yeah, that's 1118 01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,479 that's what we believe as well. Sonyask very clear conversation. Oh yeah, 1119 01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:36,359 that was really cool. And because you're not really investigating, or maybe maybe 1120 01:25:36,359 --> 01:25:41,479 you are, you're not really asking no your questions. No, no, 1121 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,760 no, I was. I was actually And that was after our very first 1122 01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,359 investigation that that had been conducted here, at least the first team that we 1123 01:25:48,399 --> 01:25:54,520 had had come in and so, um, we were. We were real 1124 01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,079 impressed with that. And it's it's one of those things where it's like, 1125 01:25:57,159 --> 01:26:00,000 Wow, you want to go back and listen to all your security camera footage 1126 01:26:00,119 --> 01:26:04,039 because who knows what you're missing? Um, but uh but yeah, that 1127 01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:08,479 was and and to be able to go back, you know, Chris when 1128 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,000 she called me, she was like, we didn't catch that Hume, but 1129 01:26:11,039 --> 01:26:14,159 we did catch these two voices. And she said, and there was nobody 1130 01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:15,840 else in the building. And I said, no, there was no one 1131 01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,399 else. They had been gone about thirty minutes because I'd been cleaning up and 1132 01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:24,880 had come down and was literally packing my stuff up to go. Oh that 1133 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:30,279 is super cool. Um. I've got a variety of other pieces, and 1134 01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,079 you know, you tell me I have I have a few more from the 1135 01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:39,439 jail. I have a few more from some of the places that investigated, 1136 01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:45,119 um that that were highlighted in my series. So you just let me know 1137 01:26:45,159 --> 01:26:47,000 what we got. As far as Tom, you've got some time if you 1138 01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:53,520 want to run a couple and okay, plugged in and I gotta go pee 1139 01:26:53,760 --> 01:27:00,720 sure team at work. Um so uh this next one is um. This 1140 01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,479 was captured at the Grand Old Lady Hotel, which was in Balsam, North 1141 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:08,279 Carolina. And this was a hotel that was built in the early nineteen hundreds. 1142 01:27:08,319 --> 01:27:13,239 It was a stop on the train system there and so a lot of 1143 01:27:13,279 --> 01:27:16,359 folks in the early nineteen hundreds would go there. They would ride the trains 1144 01:27:16,399 --> 01:27:20,159 there to the mountains of North Carolina and then they would end up spending their 1145 01:27:20,199 --> 01:27:26,239 summers there at this hotel. The hotel, it was very rustic when when 1146 01:27:26,279 --> 01:27:30,600 I stayed there on this particular night, it was part of a weekend investigation. 1147 01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:35,119 The first night it was myself and my videographer. I believe I highlighted 1148 01:27:35,239 --> 01:27:42,720 that episode season or season three, episode one. And then on the second 1149 01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,520 night I was doing, I was there with Soul Sisters paranormal, and so 1150 01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:50,760 they were conducting their investigation. We were actually sleeping. It was in a 1151 01:27:51,399 --> 01:27:59,600 room that was it was like a room where it had a big bed in 1152 01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,840 one room and like a sweet if you will, And so I was sleeping 1153 01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,279 in the outer room. We had just been talking about the next day how 1154 01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:10,359 we were all packing up and going to be leaving. So, like I 1155 01:28:10,359 --> 01:28:14,000 said, I was in one room. Christy and her twin sister were in 1156 01:28:14,039 --> 01:28:16,159 the back bedroom, and so we had laid down to go to sleep, 1157 01:28:16,199 --> 01:28:19,239 and we left the recorders going while we were there. So this was the 1158 01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:39,840 voice that was captured while we were in there sleeping. Maybe want wool sall? 1159 01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:46,079 Here's that? Oh? What did that sound like? Voice? That's 1160 01:28:46,119 --> 01:29:00,800 what I thought, wool wow? Maybe want wool oh? That's great. 1161 01:29:01,279 --> 01:29:05,600 Yeah. One of the things that I'll do on some of these investigations is 1162 01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:10,600 I do like to sleep at the location if I can, and I always 1163 01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:15,119 leave the recorder going. And what I'll end with here, I want to 1164 01:29:15,159 --> 01:29:16,760 play, you know, play a few others, but what I'll end with 1165 01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:21,039 is one where I slept at Brushy Mountain Prison and got some of the best 1166 01:29:21,079 --> 01:29:26,319 stuff, because I feel like we get some different things when we're in that 1167 01:29:26,359 --> 01:29:32,199 sleep state. We talk about that a lot. Hypnogogic pompic states. Yes, 1168 01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,880 yes, this next one I wanted to play. So this was highlighted. 1169 01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:41,399 This was the finest county jail, which was highlighted in episode one of 1170 01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,960 season five, my last season, and this is the one that I was 1171 01:29:45,039 --> 01:29:51,800 talking about that I cat caught the same thing during the on the Obelis as 1172 01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:56,720 well as on the Spirit Box. It's a slightly longer session, but it 1173 01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:01,760 kind of shows how everything is time together. And so it's interesting because I 1174 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:06,640 hadn't mentioned this tool at all. One of the guy that I was speaking 1175 01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:13,720 with, he was he was known for he was an escape artist, and 1176 01:30:14,399 --> 01:30:17,520 so he had been on the FBI's most wanted list for I believe four years 1177 01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:23,119 while he was hiding out in a cave and when he was because he had 1178 01:30:23,239 --> 01:30:26,800 escaped from jail. He was hiding out and while he was there, they 1179 01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,840 did find out that he was this amazing artist and he had painted a bunch 1180 01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,880 of I think like three hundred pictures of Christ out there. I mean he 1181 01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:40,760 had painted a lot of pictures, so he was an artist. And uncle 1182 01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:45,720 ahead and play this. It pretty well speaks for himself here, all right, 1183 01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:58,880 Billy Jane, did you serve time in this jail? Did you kill 1184 01:30:59,119 --> 01:31:12,239 a long arsenal an officer? Did you injure some officers? All right? 1185 01:31:12,319 --> 01:31:25,000 So anyway you can can you see what I'm holding up? Sky? I 1186 01:31:25,079 --> 01:31:31,279 can hear you back there? Can you touch that little red light? Yeah? 1187 01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:51,319 Okay, can you see this? I don't I'm holding up m h. 1188 01:31:55,359 --> 01:31:58,359 I have to come back in the sense. I don't like that said 1189 01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:04,960 m H. I thought he'd said it's mine. I heard you were a 1190 01:32:05,039 --> 01:32:27,079 fantastic artist. I don't know why I feel Drona was last though. All 1191 01:32:27,159 --> 01:32:38,359 right, I got this tool again last week. You used it to say 1192 01:32:38,399 --> 01:32:47,600 a few words, Barye. We've got jail bars around us. We're in 1193 01:32:47,680 --> 01:33:00,399 a cell. Is this your self upon and ceiling? It's very love ceiling. 1194 01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:04,640 This is a very very small so we must have done something bad getting 1195 01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:17,600 here. How many people were in here with you? Can you tell me 1196 01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:33,039 what this is? Oh? Wow, you're Billy Deania Anderson. If you're 1197 01:33:33,159 --> 01:33:44,600 in this area, can you tell me what this is can you see it 1198 01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:54,199 taint? Are you serious? Holy crap, it's so paint. Oh that 1199 01:33:54,319 --> 01:33:58,319 was awesome, Marianrew, that was amazing. Well, thank you, Yeah 1200 01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:01,560 to me it it honestly blew my mind, you know, And thank you, 1201 01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:08,479 Michael. I appreciate that. Yeah, you know, I have no 1202 01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:13,560 explanation of how you know they were able to get that on both devices. 1203 01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,560 You know. We did another session in there. It's a long gervp. 1204 01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,720 I won't play at this point, but we have it in the video where 1205 01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:24,840 they kept wanting to play a game, and so I took cards and set 1206 01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:29,079 those cards there and I told them to either name the suit, the color, 1207 01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,520 or the number on the card as I would pull it up. And 1208 01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:38,920 so we played three different hands, five cards each hand, and they were 1209 01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:44,199 able to identify two of the cards. They called out the numbers and that 1210 01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:48,680 was in the first hand where it was lifted up and mind blowing. I 1211 01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:54,039 mean, so clearly whoever, yeah, whoever was in there was able to 1212 01:34:54,079 --> 01:34:58,000 really see what was what we were doing. They were able to see us. 1213 01:34:58,039 --> 01:35:00,920 So interesting. They can see you and you can't really see them, 1214 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,840 but you know, within their spectrum exactly, absolutely, And the last one 1215 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:12,800 I'll play this one. It's probably some of my best EVP evidence that I've 1216 01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,039 captured, and I captured it while I was sleeping. And so this was 1217 01:35:15,079 --> 01:35:17,960 at Brushy Mountain State Prison, which is known as the End of the Line. 1218 01:35:18,279 --> 01:35:23,840 I was sleeping in the hole and this was actually before the Now the 1219 01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:28,439 location is set up as it's a tourist attraction. You can investigate there. 1220 01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:34,479 They have a distillery there. They also have a restaurant that's there, But 1221 01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:39,880 at the time when I investigated, they hadn't even built those buildings there, 1222 01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:44,800 and so it was part of a two not investigation. And so we do 1223 01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:48,479 highlight this in season two, episode one called End of the Line. And 1224 01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:53,800 so I was actually there that night by myself. The two girls who ran 1225 01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:58,560 the paranormal they were there in the in the office area, so I decided 1226 01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:00,439 I was going to sleep there. The whole area is where they put the 1227 01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:05,600 worst of the worst, and you're literally walking down basically into a hole where 1228 01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:10,000 the person would be kept. It's pitch black. I laid down about eight 1229 01:36:10,119 --> 01:36:14,199 thirty in the morning and I slept for three and a half hours. And 1230 01:36:14,319 --> 01:36:17,399 so during that three and a half hours, I caught what was probably three 1231 01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:21,840 minutes and fifteen seconds of some of the best EVP evidence that I've ever captured, 1232 01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:30,399 both residual and both residual and intelligence. So I'll go ahead and pull 1233 01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:43,600 that up, Sally and about eight thirty in the morning, I'm going to 1234 01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:49,760 sleep a little bit. And it was just basically me a camera in my 1235 01:36:49,840 --> 01:38:14,119 audio recorder. What she ol. Wow, what's interesting about this laundry is 1236 01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:19,159 there's no power in in the jail period and it has that distinguishable laundry sound. 1237 01:38:45,600 --> 01:39:00,760 M m. This one is a little more confusing to me. This 1238 01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:06,520 one on for five minutes. Like a ball bouncing. Okay, I can 1239 01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:10,680 hear it. I could hear it. Yeah, that sounds like a tennis 1240 01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:16,920 ball. Yes. I talked to a former corrections officer, not at Brushy, 1241 01:39:17,039 --> 01:39:21,279 but just a corrections officer in general and at another prison, and he 1242 01:39:21,399 --> 01:39:28,079 said that he believed that that was that probably was a ball, because he 1243 01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:32,199 said they would often give them rubber balls so that they could they could use 1244 01:39:32,279 --> 01:39:36,079 them for entertainment, and it wasn't something that they could easily fashion into contraband 1245 01:39:38,199 --> 01:39:40,399 Hey, yeah that makes sense, Yeah, that makes sense. I'd be 1246 01:39:40,399 --> 01:39:44,000 something to do is play handball or something. Yeah. I mean they're in 1247 01:39:44,119 --> 01:39:46,640 solitary. What else are they gonna do, you know it besides go nuts? 1248 01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:53,319 So absolutely, yeah, absolutely so um. You know, to me, 1249 01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,479 that was one you know, if I can, and I've got several 1250 01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,800 other episodes where I was able to sleep at the locations. I know, 1251 01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,439 Brushy doesn't allow people to sleep there now. Like I said, that was 1252 01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:11,039 way before they opened, and to me, it was just it was an 1253 01:40:11,079 --> 01:40:15,079 interesting experiment something I like to try at other places because, like we talked 1254 01:40:15,079 --> 01:40:18,600 about it, does you do get a lot different activity when you when you're 1255 01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:24,560 able to go in that more vulnerable state. Yes, yeah, it's not 1256 01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:29,000 necessarily better activity, it's just different. Yeah, that's so cool. There 1257 01:40:29,039 --> 01:40:31,279 was one question, and we're going to find out where we can find you 1258 01:40:31,359 --> 01:40:34,720 and all of that stuff I want to show the folks watching. Um. 1259 01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:40,239 Greg had asked Branda, did you ever investigate the tunnels below Brushi. I've 1260 01:40:40,359 --> 01:40:44,159 not. I've seen the tunnels below Brushy, but I've never investigated them. 1261 01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:50,840 I know they've got those natural springs that run underneath there, and I think 1262 01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:54,600 that there would be a lot of activity that you would get under there, 1263 01:40:56,399 --> 01:41:01,600 or at least the potential for it. Yeah. People commenting on the Yeah, 1264 01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:04,359 like I said the night night, is if I had heard that in 1265 01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:06,680 the moment, and I got to say, you know, so it was 1266 01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:11,520 part of a two night investigation. The first night I had investigated by myself. 1267 01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:15,119 The second night there was a huge group of us there and I think 1268 01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:20,199 it was eight other teams that came and yeah, yeah, And it was 1269 01:41:20,279 --> 01:41:26,199 basically we were experimenting because it was Easter weekend and we wanted to see if 1270 01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:30,000 things were different on Easter weekend. We all actually saw a shadow figure manifest 1271 01:41:30,079 --> 01:41:35,279 in the cafeteria and there were nine of us in there that saw this happen 1272 01:41:35,359 --> 01:41:40,159 before our eyes. It was probably one of the most incredible things. And 1273 01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:44,920 um, but I wanted to see because after that first night, I thought, 1274 01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,319 you know, I'm so tired. I want to see if I can 1275 01:41:46,399 --> 01:41:49,720 sleep, and I truly didn't think I would be able to fall asleep. 1276 01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:56,439 And I literally picked the bunk that had the least they have They have snakes 1277 01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:59,760 there, and so I picked the one that had the least the least bird 1278 01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,720 bone in it and feathers, and um, I said at the time, 1279 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:09,479 it was it was a very very rough area before before it open, and 1280 01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,680 um, yeah, they've got they used to have a lot of rattlers there. 1281 01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:15,840 Um. But anyways, and my thought was, okay, I need 1282 01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:19,039 to make sure to check my boots when I get up. And yeah, 1283 01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:26,760 but um but I was laying there and I literally just I was out like 1284 01:42:27,239 --> 01:42:30,760 so quick either I was just so exhausted, but I had my sleeping bag, 1285 01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:34,680 and um, I mean I hardly woke up. I mean there was 1286 01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:38,720 a time or so I woke up when I was turning, but that I 1287 01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:42,159 was gonna say, I not. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but now 1288 01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,359 there was an EVP or something was going on. You were turning, you 1289 01:42:45,399 --> 01:42:51,239 were actually moving every time. Yeah, that's bizarre. Yeah. Yeah, 1290 01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:55,159 so it's like you you knew, but you didn't. So it is in 1291 01:42:55,159 --> 01:42:59,800 one of those you know, maybe you could hear it right. And I 1292 01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:03,079 learned really quick because the Grand Old Lady investigation. A lot of people will 1293 01:43:03,159 --> 01:43:08,800 laugh about the fact that I don't move when I'm doing It's like you didn't 1294 01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:13,119 even move when that happened. But since I've been sleeping at these locations, 1295 01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:16,439 I've found, you know, obviously that's what I'm looking for, is activity. 1296 01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:20,760 And so when it happens. It's like if I if I am awake 1297 01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:25,039 and I do hear something, I don't want to run the risk of contaminating 1298 01:43:25,079 --> 01:43:28,520 by like raising up real quick and causing you know, dust orbs, or 1299 01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:34,439 causing some type of false positive just from my reaction. UM, So I 1300 01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:38,600 tend to try to if I hear something, lay as still as I possibly 1301 01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:45,560 can and and hopefully it captures it. Absolutely, spiders too, Yeah, 1302 01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:50,880 don't give me going snakes and spiders. I'm good now where it is? 1303 01:43:51,039 --> 01:43:56,439 Um, where's the best place to find this material? Where can people find 1304 01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,119 I know? We've got a ticker at the bottom of this will also be 1305 01:43:59,159 --> 01:44:01,560 an audio podcas cast for people, So we want to let them know how 1306 01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:06,239 they can tell you and where to find you and went sure and again, 1307 01:44:06,279 --> 01:44:11,079 thank you all so much for your wonderful questions and interacting with us tonight. 1308 01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:16,119 I absolutely love it. You can watch the past five seasons of Ghost Biker 1309 01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:24,039 Explorations on the Ghost Biker Explorations Facebook page, ghost Biker Explorations YouTube channel, 1310 01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:30,039 and www dot ghost Biker Explorations dot com. We also have the weekly live 1311 01:44:30,119 --> 01:44:34,159 stream that's every Thursday night at nine pm Eastern called Shop talk live from the 1312 01:44:34,199 --> 01:44:41,279 Ghost Biker Garage where we have you know, authors, artists, podcasters, 1313 01:44:41,319 --> 01:44:45,079 different people in the paranormal community that come on and share their stories. So 1314 01:44:45,399 --> 01:44:49,800 season six is going to come out in October. It airs every Tuesday night 1315 01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:54,920 at nine pm Eastern Time during the month of October, so we're gearing up 1316 01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:58,399 for that. But in the meantime, go back and catch up on all 1317 01:44:58,399 --> 01:45:00,800 those past episodes that are out. They're they're they're free to watch and they're 1318 01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:04,439 out there available for you. Oh that's awesome, it's wonderful. That's really 1319 01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:09,439 really cool. Thank you so much again. Yeah, thank you for joining 1320 01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:12,439 us. This has been a great time. Yeah, I want to thank 1321 01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:15,000 you, want to thank everybody in the audience. Tonight. We saw Nathaniel 1322 01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:16,319 pop up there for a minute. Yes, I don't know if you're still 1323 01:45:16,359 --> 01:45:20,359 out there, but it was cool to see him. And yeah, everybody, 1324 01:45:20,359 --> 01:45:24,119 all you guys, you know you are, uh, Danny Bonds, 1325 01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:28,920 Carol Garcia, Terry Marks, a long listen the Hans. I don't forget 1326 01:45:29,079 --> 01:45:32,760 to smile, Carol, that's right, smile and we have and come see 1327 01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:36,039 me here at the jail, Yes, come come see me here at the 1328 01:45:36,119 --> 01:45:41,720 jail. And book a paranormal investigation out here. Um. You can find 1329 01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:46,880 that information at www dot Historic Scott coo jail dot com or just look us 1330 01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:54,479 up on the Facebook page Scott County Jail Excellent. Hi Gail, that's our 1331 01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:56,960 friend Gail. Yeah, Hyslin, we haven't talked in a while, Gail, 1332 01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,920 we got to catch up. Yes, that's awesome. I'm glad you 1333 01:46:00,039 --> 01:46:01,720 put that out there. Thank you, because you are a lot of places 1334 01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:06,960 so I am about and I just wanted to apologize to the audience. Apparently 1335 01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:15,439 my computer isn't plugged in and it died, so I couldn't moderate for a 1336 01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:18,600 little while and talked to everybody. So sorry, Gail. Thank you all 1337 01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:24,399 so much for having me and for your kind words over here in the audience. 1338 01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:29,399 I definitely definitely appreciate that. As a content creator, you're very well. 1339 01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:31,439 Thank you so much. Thanks. Everybody will see you next Thursday on 1340 01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:36,239 dark Horse Paranormal. So then stay safe, piece out Hi,