You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio
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Bunny. This is a couple's journey into the mysterious, the unknown and the
paranormal. I'm your host Chris Carr and I'm your host Kristin Johnson. Together
we are big Foot and the Bunny. Hey is there? Happy Saturday.
Welcome to Bigfoot and the Bunny. I am your host Chris Carr and I
am Kristin Johnson. I think again today we believe so the DNA records would
seem to indicate, yes, you are Kristin Johnson. Um, how are
you guys doing? Thank you for joining us. So we're really excited about
a show today and it's been a pretty exciting week. We did want to
touch on the fact that we were on our friend Nathaniel Gills's show ghost Notes,
which is on League Project and that will be coming out as soon as
as soon as Rex has done editing it and all that, and that was
a lot of fun and it brought up something from one of our older shows
with uh Winn the Saniel. Yeah, with Nate we call him Nate,
but you guys, no, you can call it everyone. I don't think
he really cares. But he's an awesome guy, a really good friend of
ours and like family. And we did a show with him. Um how
long ago was it is? April tenth? Yeah, twenty twenty one.
Yeah, okay, so I was two years old and we were getting these
crazy EVPs during the interview, and we had made a clip of them,
and they're very angry. It's hard to make everything out, but you'll hear
some words for sure, and we wanted to touch on that and play that
for you. Although it'll be in the ghost notes and when nuts out,
you know, you can watch our pages. We'll we'll definitely like be posting
links to that. And it was a lot of fun. We get into
all kinds of stuff, particularly like about our theories and things about the paranormal,
from dimensions to roles and the stuff you guys know that we talk about
a lot. Let you see if I can share that real quick, it's
very low. I don't want to do it that way, although one sex
sorry sorry for the breaking momentum. Way to go. I want to share
video. Well, that's what I wanted to do okay, yeah, here
it goes. This is a it's actually three clips at different times. There
were these voices talking, and they talked all through the broadcast, but these
were like three of the more clear things that they were saying. I'm excited,
excited. Yeah, seven fly somewhere like the forty thousand feet things things
I researched this, right, I mean, does f uni I'm the other
and then it right after that goes mother motherfuckers. Yeah, well we're not
necessarily a family show, so you can say that. I know. Yeah,
that's twenty seven flies somewhere around like the forty thousand feet but things things
I research. Yes, you're all dressed up. I had my blazer on
with the rush shirt. It gave me, yeah, you know, looking
get with your leopid ship. And he had a hat on sc Yeah they
have a different hat on that time. Yeah, he had the scally,
the scally wag on the other night. I actually had to turn mine around
because we looked ridiculous. Just learn all about this scaly thing, so right,
I think to us, I'm seeing scal history and the nickname scally for
this kind of hat. It's sometimes called the flat cap or newsboy hat is
that it was the working class. It was a sign of being part of
the working class and being this how far back it goes being a scally wag
and like proudly saying, I'm a scally wag. So yeah, I'm a
working beat. So oh wear the thing. I'm a scally wag. I
don't care. I'm good with it. Um, what else do we want
to talk about before we bring it? We just it's a really really thank
neat. Yeah, I want to thank fair. He was cool as hell.
It was a lot of from a week project. We were nervous,
thank you. A lot of people watch that show, like a lot of
people, so it since and I almost threw up all day long. So
yeah, like we do this two shows a week. But yeah, yeah,
the Burger king is is going down. That's something that's new. And
I only mentioned this because it was one of the places I worked. My
daughter worked there as a kid as a teenager, and yeah it is apparently
then she worked there for years. Um it's not doing that great. And
I was going to share something about that. You see Oh yeah there there
there you go. I go stream. Ah that's not the right thing.
Ah, jeez, I'm I'm losing our momentum there he is. Oh that
thing creeps from CBR dot com. The Burger King is going down, going
down, down down. Apparently some of the larger franchises I've already closed,
and uh yeah, it's not been the same. They've been dropping. It
used to be number two behind McDonald's for years and years and they're just not
And either food is really expensive. Now. You go to Burger King and
get a chicken sandwich like combo thing, and it was fifteen bucks. I
remember when you like were so mad one night, yeah, because it was
like fifty bucks for just like two meals and it wasn't that bad, but
it was like thirty or something. And I'm sitting there, ridiculous with with
my teenage jor and wearing the dry food, and I'm looking across the street
and it was like awesome Italian place called Wise Guys Delhi and it's in Cumberland,
Rhode Island, Rhode Island, where we are located, and I'm like,
wow, we could have eight there for probably less money and if food's
awesome, And I'm getting this like skank burger for fifteen bucks, and it
was kind of offended and apparently it's having an effect. So get the comments
there, Joshua something Joshua Dixon. Hell yeah, lots of comments out there.
But yeah, I'll miss the crowd if they go out completely. Hey
there, Mart, how's it going, mister Greg Cass? How you doing?
Sarah? I hope you're having a wonderful weekend? Hello, Barbara would
Burry Spear? What is happening? Joanne Stewart's out there? Five o'clock somewhere?
Hell, yeah it is. It's seven o'clock here, Yes, josh
Hey, what's going on? Buddy? Oh? I used to work for
b K as well. Yeah, yeah, one of my first jobs.
And uh yeah my daughter worked there for for a number of years. Yes,
she worked there. It's weird. I see crystals, charts and chakras
is. Burger King has never been a family favorite. But the Crown is
something, right, I mean the Crown go back in my day, they
had some value, but man, what a creepy mascot. And the other
thing they did is like they tried to make like the most unhealthy food for
the longest time. Right, it was like triple whopper, sloppy whoppies and
sloppy whoppies I call them. Yeah, you know, but I found that
they were good, just like everything on a burger and we just followed you
crystals, cards and chakras mean page you know. Yeah, they do give
coupons and you got to use them because you have to know, buy the
thing in the regular price. It's just ridiculous. But it's not paranormal.
So we're going to get off of that. Yeah, so I just say,
you know, the burger king going down, just I had to make
mention of it. Mord asked, how do we get the nickname Bigfoot and
the bunny? Well, yeah, yeah, well there is a story behind
that, and it has nothing to do with Kryptis other than mentioning big Foot.
Yes, And Kristen and I were standing in the front yard place I
was living then, and we were outside looking at the sky and we have
bunnies everywhere. There was always bunnies everywhere. Yeah, there was a family
of bunnies that live between my yard in the neighbor's yard and the hedges,
and they were always in the front yard and you would throw them fruit from
your sangria. Don't do that, that was very well. I didn't really
do that. Yeah, and it's just go for it now. Yeah.
Anyways, there were bunnies out there, and we like the bunnies. No
way, that's such a big deal, but we like the bunnies. And
we were looking at the sky and we saw what what we believe was probably
a UFO. Um. All I could do was point up. It was
the UFO. It was orange or orange you read, but good. It
was faster than a plane and were than a shooting star, didn't have it
wasn't a satellite, and it was screwed across the sky. We were watching
it and we had to go over the horizon and all I could do was
point up. We're talking over each other. Way, can we not do
that? Let's try not to all right? Anyway, So I was going
to wick it fast, and we were like, um, we had had
some phenomena in the house and already, and we're like, oh, next
thing you'll know, you see a big foot in the bunny. And then
later we did this this show, this radio thing came up and we mentioned
that, you know, that might be a good show name and because it's
just catchy. Yeah, so that's all. Hey, they're Kimmy Corps.
Stephen Miller's in the audience. All right, yeah, maybe haunted bunnies.
Maybe this one's on um. Anyways, bring ye Wilshagan. Hello. All
right, well, let's get right to the business because we have lots of
stuff to talk about. Our guest today is Miranda Young. She grew up
in the Appalachian Mountains of East Tennessee in a very rural town in the very
rural town of Robbins. Miranda holds a bachelor's degree at Mass Communications with an
emphasis on journalism and advertising. Her professional background includes twenty one years as a
director of marketing, graphic design, and public relations professional. She is a
professional photographer and artist specializing drawing historic buildings and monuments. But the way you
guys know her as Miranda as the founder, host, producer, marketing executive
behind Geist Ghost Biker Explorations, a world recognized web series that highlights her travels
on her motorcycle to historic and hunted locations around the country. She's been featured
in numerous magazines and local newspapers. She's been a guest speaker at events and
on podcasts and radio shows across the country. In fact, we met briefly
Miranda at the Haunting at the Mill Parakahn in South Carolina, put on by
Brandon Cooper. And what a good time that was. And I'm sure we'll
talk a little bit about that as well. She's been um on all those
platforms. Ghost Biker Explorations is a popular series on Mixed TV. UH.
In twenty twenty one, she co founded the company History Highways and Haunts,
LLC and co owns the historic Scott County Jail, where she is now true
Crime Museum and Paranormal Research Center in Huntsville, Tennessee. So let's bring her
right on. Hello, Miranda, Hey, Chris and Kristen. Thank you
so much for having me on. It's great to have you on. Yeh,
finally, sorry about the big long in ye No, Now I want
Burger King. Yeah right, get it what you can. We'll be like
the live stream that saves Burger King. There you go. I just like
the picture. I mean, you know, there he is. Nothing's creepier
than the King, thank you. He is wicked creepy. I could never
really watch those commercials. I'm like, oh my god, what are they
doing? The things? It was a little creaky, you know, but
how are you doing? And our first question always yes to all our guests.
We ask everybody the same thing. Did you have a haunted childhood?
Did you have any paranormal experiences growing up? So, um, you know,
again, thank you for having me on and I am doing well.
Um I actually did not, Um you know. I ended up getting into
the paranormal based on more of the storytelling, folklore, local legend top side
of things. I spent a lot of time with my grandmother, who when
she passed she was ninety five, and I spent a lot of time.
She lived next door, and I would spend every evening down there listening to
her tell stories about growing up in the Appalachian Mountains, and so she often
shared a lot of folklore and talked about as we call them around here,
the hanks and boogers, which would be the you know, the ghosts and
the cryptids. So she spent a lot of time telling me about all that.
And then I spent as much time as I could in the libraries researching
and listening to some of the old timers talk about some of their stories.
And then also I was a huge fan of unsolved mysteries, so anywhere I
could gather information, that's what I like doing. And I did not have
you know, I didn't grow up in a haunted house or anything like that.
But the elementary school that I went to was haunted and there was a
murder that took place there, and so our librarian she made sure that every
student that went through the schools of that or went through the halls of that
school knew the story about the doctor that was shot by the local deputy in
town. So as from as young as I can remember, I can remember
seeing if we could hear sounds of phantom laughter or phantom gunshots coming from the
schoolhouse. Oh that's super interesting. So the seed buzz kind of planned it
early, but you didn't necessarily have the experiences. You are aware of the
stories. Absolutely, it was very aware of the stories, but definitely didn't
have any of the experiences. I know. You know a lot of the
people that get into the paranormal or in there because they've either grew up in
a haunted house or had experiences. Mine, like I said, was mostly
that storytelling side. And then of course my dad, you know, we
would end up going out on the weekends and we would go back roads riding,
and he was essentially sharing stories about ghosts of the past and talking about
kind of the way things were, as he called it, olden times,
you know, and sharing those different stories so kind of I guess slightly a
different ghost, but nonetheless a ghost of the past. And so that's really
where I fell in love with that was from from those stories that my grandmother
shared. And then really I always feel like if we don't if we don't
take those stories in and talk to people and share those stories, those stories
pass when when those folks pass on. So that's really the side that I
come from when I'm working on Ghost Biker Explorations as well as the series,
is really trying to share those stories and get that out there, make people
aware of locations that maybe they're not aware of. Well, well, I
think that's great. I know, like when you think about ancient history,
where really have just a small piece of it and it's just what was written
down, right, so much has been passed on with the spoken word and
from generations, you know, descending down at if we're talking about maybe Irish
history like the Scalley or the UK or you know, even Egyptian you know,
thank God they wrote things down or um you know, Samians, we
like to talk about in their cuneiforms. They were at least avid writers,
but as much as is passed on with the spoken word, and there are
big gaps in history and also added things are added to it. When when
you talk about folklore and everything it is, there's truth. There's always a
little bit of truth to the lore it is. And you know, I
can't really speak to other regions, but definitely here in the Appalachian Mountains,
it varies from area to area of the mountain that you're from. You know,
just the way that people did things over in one in one holler or
one section of the mountain, they did it different in the other and so
um so yeah, I mean it changes, and I assume it's probably very
similar in other areas of the country. I mean, just around here we're
very much steeped in tradition and so those stories, while they may be different
depending on who you're talking to, they do tend to be very similar in
nature when you sit down and really look at them as a whole. Absolutely,
yeah, And Appalachians are gorgeous. So we really got to get a
little bit of yes experience driving down to to Pickin and oh god, it
was so beautiful and they're so big. Interesting is how many cavern systems are
in the appealaition, especially in Virginia alone, they have like this whole section
of just like cavern here, cavern there, you know, for miles and
miles, and it was really yeah, it was like every mile there'd be
another billboard. You know, this one has an elevators. We're the best
one, you know. That's the Especially they're in Virginia and Kentucky. I
mean there there are aton they're in those areas and even here in Tennessee.
And then of course a lot of people relate those even back to like the
missing four one one or the missing in the National Parks. They relate those
to the cavern system that runs in the area. And there's big clusters even
here in East Tennessee where they've had a lot of missing and disappearances in the
area of those National parks and the Smoky Mountains. Absolutely, and that was
the part of Tennessee we actually went through, which is weird to was trying
to get to South Carolina. We went through a little of that, and
you know, did you have those very steep hills as you're going through the
mountains and those truck ramps for the central trucks, so they can just freaking
out. Yeah, but well we drove right, So it was supposed to
be fourteen and a half hours, was at something like that? It was
supposed to be almost sixteen hours, and it took us eighteen. Yeah,
it took us I think, Yeah, it was a little more even just
driving straight and yeah, my eyes were just falling out of my head.
Thought, I just haven't taken a long journey in a while. It's definitely
a beautiful area. I mean, it's only about three and a half hours
from here, but you ended up going through i think four different states,
you know, going through the rest of Tennessee and hitting North Carolina, Georgia,
and South Carolina, or ending up in South Carolina, just going those
three and a half hours, hit four different states. Yes, that's right,
that's right, Yes, Terry says the ocean, right, Yeah,
that's correct. Yeah. And I'm like, well that going to happen to
us? Is somebody going to just vier off the highway freaking because we haven't.
We didn't sleep, and it was already what we were like twelve hours
into the journeys. We had left late and been a long time without sleep,
so we're feeling it. Plus you know, we're not twenty anymore.
Exactly what we were saying when we got there, were like, oh my
god, we're not trying to travel. Let's travel a lot, right,
So you're probably more used to it and accustomed to take in these long journeys
and absolutely well, you know, And I just want to say, you
know, one of the beautiful things about the Haunting in the Mill Paracon that
I noticed that I really enjoyed was that Brandon did an amazing job of gathering
folks from all around the country. A lot of the times when we do
these podcasts, or excuse me, when we do these paracons, they tend
to be a little more regional. You may have one or two folks that
travel across the country. But he had, you know, folks for there
from New England, he had folks out from um Uh, from out west
South Dakota, and you know, and I think that there were fewer people
from the South than there were from the rest of the country. I think
he did a really good job of representing all the areas around the country and
just such a great group of people, and and really enjoyed listening to the
speakers and meeting everyone as the Dakota is right there, Horn Scott Horn's out
there, Foreign paranormal research plug plug plug. Yes, wonderful friends of ours
and yeah, they were there and we were hanging out with them and camping
and we have good time. I think you got pictures with them. As
a matter of fact, I did, you did, I did. I
got to meet them for the first time, and uh, just wonderful.
People actually ended up going out to dinner with them the last night of the
paricon there. Oh you went to Yeah, we were invited, but we
were so tired Ridom. We were like, uh, yeah, there's wow
China, that's free. I do remember the pickpack up our clam bake as
they say, Yeah, I don't. I don't know if you have clam
bakes down there. That's kind of a New England thing. I think more
of New England. Yeah, definitely not in Tennessee. Well listen, Saint
Becky Evans from Washington State. I mean, if you're talking about I'm not
sure. Yeah, I forget she drove from I flew from Washington State to
somewhere and then she drove like five Oh yeah, I think yeah, I
think she was one post to the other in that, like you were saying,
you don't usually have that, so no, you really don't. He
did very good job and really looking forward to the next year's absolutely absolutely,
so yeah, that's that's good stuff. But it seems like you have a
thing for history and you're talking to us from a haunted jail. I am.
I am actually sitting here at the historic and very haunted historic Scott County
Jail. Um. The jail was in operation there from nineteen o four until
two two thousand and eight, and it sat vacant until twenty seventeen when the
town, when Scott County, gave the jail to the town of Huntsville,
and then the town of Huntsville got a tourism grant where they came in and
kind of cleaned it up, did a little bit of work to it,
and they still really didn't know what they wanted to do with it, so
it still sat vacant up until twenty twenty one when my business partner, which
I just saw her there in the audience a few minutes ago, doctor Christie
Sumner, and I we formed History Highways and hunts and we approached the town
to see if we could open it up as a true crime museum during the
day and a paranormal research center where we could conduct paranormal research with different teams
and stuff coming in, as well as doing different flashlight tours, guided ghost
hunts, really making it accessible to the community and making it a stop on
different travels as far as with historical groups and such. So they were all
about it. So we opened in September of twenty twenty one, and so
we've had at this point in time, we've had just under a hundred teams
come in and investigate here. Oh that is awesome and it's nice to have
like a home base in a way. Right, Absolutely everybody hey has their
backyard haunted places they can go to, but what a cool thing to actually
own one and run it. Yeah, I think fascinating. Yeah, it's
been you know, it's been very interesting transitioning from paranormal investigator to location owner.
And we do rent the jail from the town, so we don't technically
own it, but we do own the museum that's in here, and so
so it's it's been an eye opening experience and I feel we're able to really
come in and conduct paranormal research because we're here up to sixteen hours a day
between myself and my business partner. Because we you know, we're here during
the day for the daytime tourism, we're here very often at night. So
I feel we're able to really come in get you know, do different sessions
and take the information that we learn from the session and apply it to the
next time that we come in and do that. So we've really been able
to get to know some of the residence spirits that are here and also find
ways that they really enjoy communicating. Well, that's awesome. And have you
found like a certain technique that works with these particular spirits there in general?
Do you find certain things really work and places you visit repeatedly? Yeah,
I mean, you know, we you know, obviously it depends on the
night and sometimes and depends on who you're talking to. But we have found
that there's certain areas that they don't really like it when you take on like
an interrogation questioning type method. When you there's there's one section of the jail
here. If you come in and you treat it more of just kind of
cutting up, joking, they tend to want to respond a little bit more.
Also music, we've found that there's certain types of music that certain areas
really interact with. We've even found certain songs that they like. There's one
section that Amazing Grace is a great trigger item, but we found they really
like the Pentatonics version of the song and it's wild, you know. And
then there's other areas. We found they prefer communicating with women in those areas,
other areas that they don't really care for men. And we've even found
on the second floor, the second floor is the trustee floor, so those
cells are more dorm style cells, and we've found again depending upon the night,
if you go into the center of the building and where the rooms kind
of basically when you're in the center, the dorm style rooms are around the
edges. We've found that sometimes they want you to stay in that area and
they'll communicate from the rooms. Other times we've found that they want you to
leave the tools there in the center of the fourier there and each person get
in a cell and communicate and they're very vocal about how they want to communicate.
And so we passed that along to our investigating teams that come. Obviously,
we're like you know, do your own technique and method because you never
know what you're going to discover. But these are some things that work for
us, and so we found some of those to be pretty tried and true.
That's excellent. I think that's great. And we had a kind of
a similar thing and yeah, this is something and Kristen, we went like,
oh, yeah, that's interesting because we've had a similar experience in the
conjuring house and we went there. We were like a certain song and it
had to be the right version. Yeah, but you trigger object, I've
got them here. He comes everywhere with its Okay, a lot of the
people in the audience already know this story, so I'll be real quick.
But we played sending the clowns song from our youth right dating ourselves. But
it really worked, and we were getting all kinds of rampod activity and like
weird stuff, and it seemed like the rampod was trying to sing it.
Yeah the rempipe of the antenna, how you always do this, But it
sounded like it was, you know, singing that song, and it got
mad afterids and we tried like the different one. It didn't really work right,
So I only liked it we went back to the original and like,
I guess it's not the original, but the one that we all know,
Yeah, and that was the one that seemed to make a difference. So
weird, but it was so touching in a way as well because they literally
tried to sing it on the rempod. It's an internet to use music in
an investigation can of absolutely made me think of that's frequency. So they liked
that frequency. That's true because they they are a cappella and so they would
be using the frequency. And we've even found because we do a lot of
experimenting with frequencies, and you know, if you're using the God frequency nine
six three or using binarial beats, which you know binarial beats is the same
kind of concept of the God helmet and so or at least the effects that
it has on your brain, and we found that playing certain things that that
does tend to trigger different types of activity. We were experimenting with the God
frequency one night and we turned it on and we were in the Jerom boy
At cell area and we actually had so the way the upstairs area is is
it's the maximum security and there are three different bullpen or three different cell blocks
up there that each have a bullpen, and so we were in one of
the smaller bullpens that had jerom boy it cell and another a smaller cell in
there, and when we played that frequency, both of the rimpods started going
off. One of them went off right after we started playing it and was
trying to match that frequency, and right after the others started. So you
had these three frequencies going. We had never experienced, especially two rimpods going
off at the same time as this one frequency, and so once we cut
it off, they each went off. And then we even found we went
to the other bullpen started playing it. You could hear talking down the hall
and even had a cell door slam. So just experimenting with that, you
know, being here gives us the opportunity to be able to do that,
for us to say, hey, you know, after we close for the
day, let's go up and just test this one experiment. You can do
that because you're not pressed for time. But Chris makes a really good point
there her comment, they're talking about the trigger technique transcending generations, dates and
times. That's exactly true, and why we like using that because it's something
that i mean, music inspires and brings up so many different emotions. I
mean when you look at everything, even back to you know, protests and
you know, patriotic songs, everything, it brings up all these different emotions.
So why wouldn't it be. Plus, it's a universal language. It
doesn't matter what language you're speaking. The music itself just works wonderful when it
comes to a trigger item. So that's something you know, I've used ever
since I started investigating. I know a lot of the investigators do, and
it's something that we've found here. Honestly, when we got the keys,
we went up and we probably spent about two months just really just talking to
the spirits trying to find out what they like. And we did find just
kind of started playing music and just randomly asking different genres of music, and
it started our different tools started hitting on religious music, like old hymns.
So we spent a lot of time just going through playing different songs finding what
they liked. And it's really amazing when you do find those certain songs and
without hesitation, it seems like every time you get some type of reaction to
to the specific song you've played. Yeah, I think that's so true.
Music is just one of those things. It's almost like a phenomena with humans,
like why we like rhythms and it's just very natural to fall into two
beats. And then we find these songs throughout our life that I just have
like an impact. I maybe represent a period of time. I think with
a send into Clowns, we were theorizing and maybe it had to do with
a breakup or something like that. So it's because it's a sad song,
right, Yeah, maybe that really has some resonation where wherever they are.
And you were talking about binari beats, which we are familiar with as well.
Yeah, I think we're a big fans of that. One of the
things you've been experimenting with and I give away our secrets, but we're talking
about in Pickings. Actually I built this little wonder box right camp. And
what's cool about this cacariamp. You know, it's got the guitar pedals and
all that, and it's not a wonder box in and of itself. Isn't
a big mission for musical background. So I was like, oh, yeah,
well that's just guitar effects. But it has a bluetooth channel. So
what we experiment with is mixing binural beats in with say a spirit box,
wonder box effects and that sort of thing. Mister Greg Coss is out in
our audience tonight and runs a show called Metaphysical Crossings on Wednesdays on Facebook on
Shadow Hunter's Paranormal. Yes, plug plug plug Greg plugging your buddy and he
hasn't thought in a rotation and we love Greg in the show and everything.
And what we're doing there is like double Blindesti's methods. Yes, yes,
So we're trying to kind of get into a trance state or like a theta
state right away, right like camera and just like all right, let's let's
do this and see what comes out of our subconscious or whatever it is,
right, And that's one of the things we've been experimenting with and find that
to be pretty good, you know, to try to really get in that
relaxed kind of like letting it out. We're blindfold you know kind of and
we can run out through a headset. So it's another kind of little tool
that's not on a paranormal website of it, but as useful Bluetooth channels comes
in handy now absolutely, I mean, you know, just to hit on
what you were saying, Um, you know, I mean binaral beats.
I mean you can see how vibration affects water and how vibration affects things around
you, know, so why would it not affect you know, your brain.
I mean I use binaural beats for sleep, I use it for stress
and stress and anxiety reliefs. So just dealing with the different frequencies and then
seeing how it affects it within a paranormal location. Um, if you're not
getting you know, it may not be paranormal activity, but you're at least
stimulating something in the air there that you're getting responses from, and that's unexplainable.
So to me, it just makes perfect sense. And I love the
idea about the double estis method there. Oh yeah, it's really cool.
It's interesting. Don't maybe once a month or something like that, five weeks
you're trying to use like the same people and rotate to see if we get
similar tions. Greg goes under and does it as well as well as other
other folks. We have moderators and all of that, and it's all about
being in that calm and relaxed state I think, and I think that that
allows the person to be a better conduit for the putting that activity out there.
Absolutely. Yeah. We have a quick question since we're talking about tools
and everything, Joshua Dixon asked, um, what is your take and thoughts
on the ghost phone apps? Personally? He doesn't use them? Great question.
Personally for myself, I don't. We do have a couple that we
might use when we're doing um uh the ghost ghost hunts here at the jail,
but for me, when I'm actually out paranormal investigating, I don't like
to use them. I like to actually know how the apps are created.
Now, I'm not one to s there and limit the way that the spirits
can communicate, because I believe that if a spirit wants to communicate through a
phone, through a smoke detector, through what have you, they will They'll
find a way to do what they want to do. So I'm not limiting,
but I do like to know how the apps are created. If the
apps use your microphone, as some apps use GPS, So if you know
you are here at the historic Scott County Jail and you're using an app that
goes off your GPS, you might start getting jail terms. You know,
it may not be picking off the mic, but it's picking off in some
ways. So I just suggest on that you know, try things, but
know what you're using, kind of know the background behind it. That's that's
what we like to do. I just there's plus, like what doctor Sumner
says, there they can there are a lot of variables and other phones can
set them off. So we just always recommend phones on airplane mode, use
them to video, use them to record audio. But um, you know,
and we don't limit if as someone comes in for a ghost a guided
ghost hunt or what have you, and they're using an app because again,
those those are difficult because you're in a location for say three hours, you're
leading people through. They're not necessarily going to sit there and just listen to
or just ask questions if they're not a seasoned investigator, because they may not
understand just you know, how long how long it takes to sometimes get a
response. But um, but yeah, for me personally, I don't I
don't use them, but I say, you know, just just kind of
know what you're using. If you do. I have heard good things.
We like the airplane mode. There are a couple Wool experiment with and we
can put the tones and airplane mode some of the word bank ones are interesting.
What happens with that is they always got to say something. They have
to keep talking, right, so you kind of run into this thing where
it's gonna say some word like we like necrophonics. Sometimes we know it's going
to say something creepy no matter what, because yeah, well I always say,
always look at your situation that's going on around you too, you know,
especially even when you're using like an ovelus five that's not attached to an
app. Um, look at the situation, because sometimes it will spit out
just random words too. But look at your situation, look at what you're
asking, look at what's going on around you, because you know, sometimes
you have to look at the relevance of that. I guess, yeah,
I agree, I agree, we agree. Um. One of the ones
we use has all the words are backwards, right, so the word bank
is completely in reverse. It sounds a little like the sweetest chef if you
don't really have any experience, Like, yes, it kind of does a
little of that, but we've also gotten some responses out of it. Though,
Yeah, wait a minute, that that actually worked, And like you
mentioned, we agree, like spirits will use anything they can use noises around
us, like birds. We've had actually a bird in the background saying stuff.
So yeah, right, it went with everything that was being said.
I definitely paradolia has has dropped, like the longer we've done this. Yeah,
absolutely, there's definitely something going on here that well we can rationalize and
say, well, that's just a bird, but kind of said something and
it kind of goes well, and that's the thing too. Um. A
couple of the examples of evidence that that I've got, if if we play
it later on, it's kind of the same way. Um I was using
an oblis, I was also using the spirit box. I think you have
to be aware of how you ask your questions, you know, because like
if you know, if I pick up you know, this tool right here
and I say, you know, I start using leading words trying to get
them to say, what's you know, what's in my hand, then you
know it may lead the device to say that. But if you say,
for instance, don't mention this, pick it up and say, you know,
I have something in my hand, what am I holding? You know?
And there's a couple instances, one in particular, one of the pieces
of evidence that I've got where They actually called it out on two devices.
They called it out on the spirit Box and also called it out on the
Oblis, and I never mentioned the tool. I actually opened it up from
a bag. And also it was I was speaking specifically to a spirit who
had used this tool, and so it was kind of fascinating because it wasn't
related to I mean, the Oblis is independent from the phone. The spirit
box is just picking up random radio stations or just picking up static. And
it was actually answered what was in my hand. And so I think if
you're careful with how you ask your questions, I think that that can actually
assist in if you do decide to use an app or use something kind of
different, just ask non leading questions. That's great. And I like that
you had it confirmed on both devices, which is big. Any kind of
confirmation kind of gives something, gives it more legitimacy. Absolutely, you get
something on one tool, that's one thing. But if you can get multiple
tools to validate, then that's that's huge. We had a summerly thing happened
in Wilson Castle with the drop from an obulus small drop and it was saying
on the it was just had a mix of acts and different things in the
boxes, they all kind of said the same thing, and that's when that
happens. Something. Absolutely, when something happens, we we tend to feel
that, we feel like a vibration, a frequency, and then all of
a sudden, it's like two minutes of like like where you are, like
doorslam, and then something happens and an EVP happens. It's all like in
that mishmash of like two minutes or a minute or something. It's it's very
bizarre. Yeah, string of events. Yeah. Is that something you notice
as well? That when a phenomena occurs, it's seems to happen in these
little segments of like everything starts going crazy for a little while and then it's
gone and it may come back, you know, I mean, or you
might be done for the night, and it was just that little definites of
activity. Yeah, we've noticed it here. I've noticed it on a lot
of investigations. I love to use the EDI plus box and I like to
always keep that with me anytime I'm investigating. For me, it kind of
travels with me to each room, Like if I'm investigating in five different rooms,
that's one that's always with me because I like to keep check of the
atmospheric changes. And I've noticed that the anytime the pressure changes on that I
tend to get more activity, more of like a string of activity happening.
It's not always, but that seems to always or seems to be the case
a lot of the time. Is the pressure will change more so than if
it's like a hot or cold spike, or even when the humidity changes,
it seems to be more of a pressure change, and I like to map
that data. Um That's what I like about that tool is it will map
it out on the SD card and you can go in and look and you
can actually cross reference that with different events that you've had during the investigation to
see if if it actually lines up. But that's probably one of my absolute
favorite tools because I like to keep check of all the atmospheric changes in real
time. In the moment. Terry says, interesting, now must have an
EEDI ye, must must have And it's it's simple. It also has the
EMF detector on it and then it also has the geffoam on it that will
detect vibration. So it does a lot of different I think a lot of
things that even a lot of investigators haven't even you know, to scraped the
surface of that will do. Yeah, and that's parametric pressure that you're talking.
Yeah, yeah, that is a cool, cool device. We don't
we don't own one yet. Yeah, Y immediately familiar with and uh yeah,
that's super cool. Chris, my life is listening. There are people
sold sold highest bidder and uh, doctor Suttner says, it's great, great
tool as what I need to see about getting a sponsorship. Then you heard
it here. Yeah, you can do like one of those links so you
get a percentage or something like that. There you go for you. Um,
now you mentioned that. I think this is really interesting that because of
the nature of having to travel light on a on a motorcycle, what are
the kind of tools that you like to take with you and why so?
So, I'm typically a solo investigator. UM, I either investigate by myself
or I investigate with a videographer that travels with me. So and I do
collaborations as well, but I like to keep the numbers small. So for
me, I always have my ed a plus box with me. I do
love my dowsing rods, um those you know, for me, I really
like those because you don't have to worry about the battery drain. You can
also ask very simple I mean they're very simple, and a lot of the
spirits are at least familiar with them. You're not asking them to touch a
light that they may not understand. You know, they may associate light with
candle. With this, you can ask your directional questions, your yes and
no questions, so I always make sure I have those. I know that
there's also a lot of controversies surrounding this, but I love the flashlights,
and I always carry multiple flashlights with me and treat it almost sort of like
a game, and which we've been able to get some really interesting responses with
that, where not only myself or not only the spirits communicate with the flashlights,
but also myself communicating back and forth with them. And then also well
and then too if you can get temperature changes and stuff, whenever you're getting
changes with the flashlight, I like to be able to correlate tho. And
then of course just your general spirit box and rimpod just I keep a real
light kind of like a go bag of stuff that I'm able to just kind
of sling over my shoulder there and then I also carry static cameras as well.
In those static camera packs I always have, I've sort of created them
to wear. There's a static camera, There is a audio recorder with prerecorded
questions, because I like to see whether they react different if I'm asking a
question or if I've prerecorded it and just have it in the room. Also
a laser grid and a flashlight in with that, so that if I leave
a static camera and I'm not actively investigating in that room, it gives them
something that they're able to use. And then just any type of trigger item.
I like to see what the location that I'm going to and I like
to pick trigger item specifically for that location. That's great, and it's not
as simple as I thought. Other you're just gonna say, well, I
keep a recorder and person, that's it. There's a few things in there.
Yeah, there's a few things, but like I said, a little
go bag. I mean to try to document, but always have the recorder.
And of course each of the cameras have a static recorder with them as
well. Oh that is super cool. I love that and as a laser
gride pretty as much for you as far as the shadows those sort of things
I have captured some in a few different locations. Yeah, um for for
me, you know it. I mean it just helps when you're sitting there
watching hours worth of video. And these static cameras that I have, they're
just little cameras that are battery powered and so um so. Yeah. So
if I'm sitting there watching the cameras, I like to have the laser grid.
They're just in case. It helps where your eye doesn't get lost,
and there have been a couple of times where I've gotten some interesting shadow activity
from it. Really. Oh that's so cool. Greig has a question for
you, He says, Maranda. My eed I plus is awesome. Did
you do the download from the company I'm assuming like a firmware uptate that just
came out not that long ago. If so, is the print out worth
it? I have not done the new the new download. I'm always iffy
and hold off a little bit to hear how what other people think on that
sort of thing, because it always seems like when something new comes out there
are bugs. I did have somebody investigating here at the jail that did the
new did the new print out, and they did not like it as well
as they as the previous one, but I've kind of held off because I'm
I really like the way they do or the way they did the earlier print
outs. Well that is very cool, but I'm not discouraging because I don't
you know, it depends on what what you like, but I probably will
at some point. They'll probably end up making us but probably Yeah, Scott
says Kim and I have tried with the idea of taking the bike on extended
trip involve multiple investigations. They should for sure, absolutely absolutely should. That
would be the way to do it. If if we rode and I think
I'm just too scared to do it, I'll do it. I have no
problem. Yeah. The last time I wrote a motorcycle is having every flashback
from car accidents. They could possibly have it. Like, No, I
like the racing, so I likes I like everything. Well, you know,
for me, it just made perfect sense. Um. They I pair
my investigations like I do my motorcycle riding. I think that they really parallel
each other really well, because I mean I feel like you either way,
you you know, whether you're doing an investigation or getting on the bike,
you've got to be in the right frame of mind and so it's you know,
for me, it helps to center me, but also you know,
you've got a plan for it. You've got to be in the right frame
of mind. You've got to watch out for others around and everything going on.
You need to be aware of your surroundings and be able to try control
as much as you can. It's the same kind of thing with the investigation.
I mean, trying to keep control of that environment and be aware of
everything, whether it be noise, light, or whoever's out in the area,
or even just knowing the history. I think that you can really parallel
the two. So for me, it was just a natural fit of you
know, combining the passion of motorcycle riding with my passion of history and the
paranormal. You mentioned at the front that you used to take you go writing
with your dad to different places. Was that motorcycle riding and it was not.
It was not. My parents were never really into motorcycles and kind of
we're not really happy at the very beginning when I started riding, But it
was mostly riding in a riding in an old truck, you know, on
back roads. And yes, I mean we would spend every opportunity he liked
taking me all around the areas, sharing about how, you know, these
certain areas that are now nothing more than just maybe just a little sign on
the side of the road. But back in the day, whenever the county
or community was being established, they were big boomtowns, and so either big
mining communities or timber mills or you know, they had a big purpose and
there would be thousands of people that lived in that area, and now it's
even hard to find them, more than a family of five or ten people
living in that area. So he shared a lot of those stories, talked
about a lot of the way things used to be, and that just you
know, I wish now that I had had recorders with me whenever I was
traveling with him, because you try to take it all in and try to
remember it. And he since passed, and you know, I wish there
were questions I could ask, you know, yes, yeah, And so
it's for me that was such time well spent, you know, doing that,
because now I never dreamed, you know, you mentioned at the beginning
of the show, my background is in marketing, and I spent twenty one
years in corporate America. I never dreamed that my job would be curating a
museum and traveling around talking about the paranormal, traveling around talking about history,
and really bringing people in and introducing them to history. So I really value
that time that I spent with my dad and my grandma hearing these stories,
and I look back now and just wish I could take more in. You
know, you just never know where you're going to end up. Both of
us can definitely relate to that. Yes, yeah, that's wonderfun. It's
what if you got to spend that time to get in and see some of
that history. Because towns do come and go in America, and it's an
interesting thing, and there has to be some sort of imprint left by the
people that were there before, and you know, emotions hang around at least
residually. Oh absolutely. And that's what I always tell people when i'm speaking,
is that you know, if you go out on your motorcycle or go
out in the car, just pay attention to everything that's going on around you.
Because all of these little towns they have some type of story to them.
And so I do a lot of haunted motorcycle rides here in the area,
and I've partnered with Harley Davidson on some in different areas of the country,
and we've done haunted rides and so we don't always get to stop at
the places, but I'll I'll plan the route and then I'll do a presentation
about what the places we're going to be going through and some of the stories
about some of these places that you would never even know there was a town
there is phenomenal about how they started and what led to their demise, you
know. So so I always tell people it's like, yeah, the big
commercial locations, yeah, we want you to come to places like the historic
Scott County Jail. We're not a big, huge location or anything. But
um, it doesn't You don't have to go to a commercial location to have
an experience. If you just close your eyes touch anywhere on a map,
you're going to find somewhere that anywhere you touch on there, you're gonna find
somewhere that's got a story that may just be locally known, but you know,
you may look out and to be somewhere that's that's regionally known. So
it's they're out there. It just doesn't have to be big and grand.
It can be something as as simple and small as just a spot in the
road. No, it's that's so true. Absolutely, they put roads through
everything. I mean they got to remember, you know, there were a
lot more people here before they started building up and everything, and yeah,
putting roads and highways like through the appellations right there too. Absolutely, they
all have history in it. Like Kristen mentioned earlier, there's always a little
truth through the folklore. You hear a lot of the same folklore. And
I'm sure you seen this and your travels from town to town, and it's
like the woman in white story and we talk about um spirits perhaps playing roles
him. We'll step up to these roles because you hear such similar stories.
The little boy in the graveyard which we encounter. There's always seems like there's
always a cry baby bridge somewhere. There's always I can name about four states
that I've gone to that has a cry baby bridge in it. And uh,
you know, and there's always a woman in white. There's always um
you know, the kids that are pushing the car. You know that that
will leave the handprints on the car. Yea. There's a lot of interesting
stories and I'm always fascinating and that's what I like to to to go in
and see if we can get some type of validation to these stories. Um,
you know, there's some reason that they started. Whether somebody was traveling
and hurt it somewhere else and and they kind of brought it to their area.
You never know, but um, but it is interesting how you do
seem to find these different stories all around the country. They are they do
have their similarities, absolutely absolutely, and it's like they know it as well,
and perhaps they're like trick our objects for us, right exactly, especially
very true. Yes, you know children or you know broken hearted bride or
whatever it might be. You know too, the audience that doesn't know what
is a crybaby bridge? Yes, we're familiar with the term, but well
a lot of them that the ones that I've seen, the two that come
to minds the one in South Carolina and the one that is in Alabama.
I think there's I think there's one in Kentucky too, Um where someone the
ones I'm familiar with was where whether it be a family member or a dad,
a mom threw through a baby over a bridge and you can hear the
baby crime whenever you go. Whether some of the stories say you either stop
on the bridge or some of them you have to walk across so many times
say something, and particularly the ones I've heard of is typically a baby that
has been thrown over the bridge by by a family member. It's terrible.
It's it happens in Wells as well. That makes sense. But yeah,
well yeah, our friend Chris spalles Own has written about a few in his
books, Yes, Folklore and Haunted Areas, and he's been on here quite
a bit over the years. In fact, we're due to talk to him
again. We are um and we've talked about the Gray Baby Bridge and some
other stuff I wasn't aware of until he told us, like how prevalent they
are? Yeah, there are? Is there some up in your area as
well? Not as many. He's actually from Florida now, but you know
he's from our area, England. And yeah, it's the guy brought Fuachi
into the into the talking space of the paranormal and heed on forest. Yes,
yeah, that is fascinating. Have you found any truth of the legends
that people talk about when you have investigated them, Do you encounter the same
things as maybe the oral tradition is carried on? Great question. One of
them that I can definitely speak to and I did end up highlighting it in
my series. I actually highlighted it in episode one of season one. Is
the Bleeding Mausoleum, which is there in Cleveland, Tennessee. It's also known
as the crag Miles Mausoleum, and so um, there's been legend forever about
about this about this mausoleum that that's there at Saint Luke's Church. It's the
only mausoleum that's there in the churchyard, and there are five people buried in
it. They are family members, and so um. It starts with the
story of little Nina krag Miles who was writing with her grandfather who was a
local physician. They were writing in his cover or in his wagon, and
as they came upon a train crossing a train comes, the horse rears up
throws a little Nina Kraigmiles from the carriage and she ends up getting killed by
the by the cow catcher there on the train. And so her dad,
he was one of the founding members there in Cleveland, and so he ended
up because she did pass away. On Saint Luke's day, he built Saint
Luke's Episcopal Church and built this mausoleum out of Carrara marble there in the cemetery
or there in the churchyard. And so about a couple of years after she
passes, they have a baby. The baby only lived for a couple hours.
He didn't even have a name's They end up putting him. He passes
away. They put him in the mausoleum. And then about seven or eight
years after that, John himself ends up slipping, hits his head, diedes
of blood poisoning. He's in the mausoleum. Well, his wife ends up
living for I think about twenty or twenty five years after that. At that
point, cars are invented. She's remarried, and she's stepping out of her
house, and once she steps out of her house, she ends up getting
hit by a car and passing away as well. So the story goes that
with each body that was put into the mausoleum, these red spots formed on
the mausoleum, and they got bigger and they got deeper, and so when
it rains, it looks like the mausoleum's bleeding. And it's interesting because yes
they can, you know, there are deformities in the marble, and when
you go it truly does look like like it's bleeding. But they always said
that if you walked around the mausoleum around midnight on certain times and you ask
and you said Nina, Nina, come out and play with me, that
she'll come out and play. And that's been the story just as long as
as I've lived there, and as long as other friends who are from the
area would talk about. And so the mausoleum is, it's beautiful and so,
but it's also in the middle of town, so you do have to
investigate it late at night. And so I went on three different occasions investigated
there and got some really interesting activity, had had some great dowsing rod responses.
Actually ended up I had a recorder placed right inside the gate, right
there at the door. Also was wearing a mobile recorder on me myself,
and was able to get some interesting responses audibly on the recorder there coming from
inside the mausoleum. And so on the second night, after walking around and
asking Nina to come out and play, I did a dousing rod session back
in behind where the playground is and ended up getting what sounded like a child
singing, almost singing like a nursery rhyme kind of thing. It was really
creepy, and I did hear it in the moment, so it was a
disembodied voice. I didn't know what I was hearing until I went back to
reviewed it, and interestingly enough, I've not put this little piece of evidence
out and I should. We did a like a viewing party for the night
of the episode when it released, and we had about nine people there at
my friend Josh's house, and so we decided after it was over, we
were going to walk over to the mausoleum, and so we all go over
there. We marched around the mausoleum seven times, asked Nina to come out
and play, and as soon as we did, we ask mister krag Miles
if he would mind Nina coming out and talking to us, and right after
that we caught and we didn't hear it in the moment, but when we
went back and listened on the recorder, we catched this little girl that says
hello, And so we didn't know it until we went back and listened,
and we were probably only there. Maybe did maybe like a ten minute first
session to see if we could get any type of communication. You know,
a lot of those really challenging whenever you have a lot of people, but
um, none of us heard it, but we but that record caught it
and we were pretty amazed. And several of the people who were kind of
skeptical was like, Okay, I don't know who that was. I don't
know where that came from. But exactly so, that was one that you
know, whether it's paranormal or not, I don't know, but that mausoleum
definitely has an interesting vibe to it. It truly has an interesting history and
story behind it, and it's definitely got something unexplained that that does seem to
happen whenever you you go and um participate, I guess in the in the
local legend, in the folklore right around it many times because we actually have
something like that is the whole mansion that that happens. We have a lot
of stuff like that. It's almost just like that, though Spider Gates,
there's the cemetery reared up and what is his name? And Spider Gates,
because that's a big one. People might even be familiar with that. Hers
was a run around the team Stone ten times. Oh that's Earl. That's
yeah, yeah, Marmaduke curl marm run around is great right times ten times
at midnight and that you will appear and it's one of the places where people
leave a lot of trinkets and coins change. Yes, you know, yeah,
yeah, there's um there's one place there. It's the same thing.
It's a park and they say there was a person who supposedly or allegedly hung
themselves in um this gazebo. And they say if you go around that so
many times and ask questions that you will have They say you'll have a car
accident or or the people will be met with with a dark fight. And
so I'm sitting here and I'm like, as much as I would love to
test that, that's great, but I am very superstitious, and I am
on a motorcycle, so I don't want to tempt fate. But it is
interesting how you do get these these stories like that that's supposed to I guess,
I guess in some kind of weird way. It's you could say it's
like conjuring activity by you know, participating in that. But um, it
is fascinating how these they get the thing, Okay, run around it so
many times and say this certain thing a ritual repetition, Yeah, yeah,
ritual, And people you know they love which run to rituals. Rituals are
part of the human experience. Yeah, you know, it could be something
like a lake necromancy on my shirt, or it could be as simple as
running around a tombstone or a mausoleum. It's so interesting, I know,
George mentions. He says, I keep hearing stories where a spirit stays around.
It's partly remains. I'm wondering why that is. That's a great question,
George. Um, they they do. There are haunted cemeteries absolutely and
haunted everything houses because they don't want to leave places. What do you do
you think I definitely think so. Um. You know, growing up here
in East Tennessee, we were not at a shortage of cemeteries to ghost Town,
and I know it's kind of different in different areas. I was not
aware that cemeteries closed, you know, until I started traveling elsewhere and didn't
know you weren't supposed to be in them after dark. But because around here,
you know, there's so many different family plots, there's so many different
cemeteries that might be on the side of the mountain that are are truly forgotten
about because the family may pass on and there's nobody there to care take it.
Yeah, and so I do believe. I've ran across several very haunted
cemeteries. I don't necessarily believe that the person this is just me personally,
is staying there with their body. But I tend to believe that it's about
the energy that's displaced within that cemetery. You know, if you think of
all the people that are buried in there and all the people that come to
visit that, you know, all the tears that were shed there, all
the memories that people come into a cemetery with, good or bad. That's
why I tend to believe that a cemetery itself tends to be active. I
think there's some instances where a person may go back to where their remains are.
I don't necessarily feel they stay with that. Like I said, that's
just me, but I think anything is possible. I just tend to think
it tends to be a little more of the energy that's put into the location,
because those are those in funeral homes. I mean, just the intense
energy because sometimes I mean because most of the time you're seeing people that you
maybe haven't seen in years. Family reunions, if you will. They're not
under good circumstances, you know when you see them, and these may be
people that you either never see again or that you see only at at a
funeral, funeral or a wedding. So just the emotion that goes into those
grounds is incredible, that's right. It's like the last place where like your
family convenes, and sometimes, like you said, there's people there that maybe
that person wouldn't have really wanted to be there. There's an emotional imprint surrounding
that. Yes, there's something very sacred about burial places in general. I
think ye that just maybe you know goes it's bigger than humans. Elephants have
a burial ground, right, I'm sure certain other animals do as well.
And the idea of you know, dying in a certain place and all that
are passing, there's probably something very inherent on a low level to just being
absolutely and you know with that mausoleum, the fact that you know, the
fact that her dad was so distraught of losing his daughter at such a young
age, but he also had this pride by building that church and building that
mausoleum specifically for her. You know, you can only imagine just the emotion
he put when he was building this, and then to have himself and his
family in there. He's got this sense of pride because he's he's wanting to
uh, he's proud that he's building this a place for her, for her
body too, because I think it was like three years after the mausoleum was
completed at that point. And then just the sadness that he would feel,
you know, from losing here. So it had to be such a mix
of emotions that would experience. And so when you think of the stone and
stuff, absorbing that and taking that in, there's definitely going to be some
strong residual at least energy that's there. And I would say definitely some intelligent
as well. Absolutely, we we agree with that because, um, when
you say about the stone, it's it's like animism talk about um stones have
but not a soul, but feelings that would the energy would be like where
you are, you have a stone building exactly, so everything would be absorbed,
all the stone. Um. So the building that we're in, if
you've if you've not ever seen, you know, if you look up the
historic Scott County Jail, it's it's very impressive building. Uh, it's it's
a sandstone castle that's here in the middle of the mountains of East Tennessee.
And you know, sandstone is very high in the element of quartz or the
mineral quarts, and so we've got we're completely surrounded by that. We're also
surrounded with all the iron bars that are in here. And then um New
River runs right back in behind the jail here. There's a nice little waterfall
back here. So there's there's a lot of things that's going to be holding
and conducting that energy in just in this location itself. Absolutely, iron is
very banknetic and water alone. Chiefs think magnetism may also play a role.
Kim says, it's all necromancy, isn't it in some way? And I
just said something that we say a lot, because if you're asking any kind
of spirit, the disembodied spirit somebody has passed on to do something for you,
like speak into your radio or speak through your spirit box, that is
by definition necromancy. And that you know, a little wink, wink,
nudge and nudge with the shirt. Although we kind of like those things too.
And it's nothing new that dates back to as far as civilizations go that
have recorded anything it's a cave art to some Sumrian people used to write it
uniforms Mesopotamia as a gentleman named Irving Finkel who translates those cuneiforms, and what
you know they actually say in regards to necromantic practices is super interesting. Yeah,
great stuff. I love this. It's all energy and vite brations.
Yes. And to circle back to comment George had made I ask that original
question. He said something about apps, and we do. I can find
it real quick because that was pretty funny. And he says, I have
a friend she really likes the apps. Me not too much, but her
necrophonic said clearly, Hey George, so I guess some apps would. But
they can use anything. They can use anything, So they can use anything.
It's a funny thing to get from the app itself. Very cool.
I just don't like to limit. I mean, I like to tell people.
I mean, we're in we're in a field that requires you to have
an open mind, and so I think we've got to be you know,
I think we have to be very strict with our practices and and all of
that. But I do think, you know, you got to keep an
open mind because I think spirit communication happens a lot more than what people realize.
We just aren't really paying attention, aren't really listening. You know that
that's probably, in my opinion, why there was such a high spike in
activity right after, you know, the pandemic, and everybody was home.
People were home and they were listening, you know. So again, you
just you can't limit you just you just have to really look at your circumstances
and what's going on around you when and again know how those things work.
Absolutely keeping an awareness of your environment, it's just a good thing to do
in general, and listen to those things. Maybe that knock in the attic
that happens every night at a certain time, isn't you know, just the
wind, you know, anse sort of things that people noticed after the pandemic,
like you mentioned when you were home more. Yeah, that article is
earned a day. Yeah, it's like so many people noticed that their houses
were haunted. People were home much more and and nothing to do other than
listen to the squeaks and creeks of their house. And so yeah, I
think that either either they're just really getting to know their their home or there
really is something out there that you know, they just maybe didn't pay attention
to because they were lost in the hustle and bustle of getting gone to work.
Yeah. Yeah, that brings up a good point. How do you
feel about daytime investigating? I like daytime investigating. Um, you know,
to me, I've always investigated based on opportunity, whether it was day or
not. Here we get the exact same I don't want to say the exact
same things, but we get activity day or night. Sometimes it's different.
Sometimes it's more residual at you know, during the day because you've got your
daytime activities going on. I do like to investigate at night, just because
at that point, you know, if you're investigating in a in a town,
it's quieter at that point, or it's uh, you know, you
can control for your environment at that But I've had a couple of investigations that
I've highlighted on my season that we're done during the day, and they're definitely
not as creepy when you're doing today if you're trying to go for that creep
factor. But you can definitely get some really interesting activity. And I would
have to say that some of my best stuff has actually been captured during the
day. We would agree, Yeah, ohheartedly. Yes, I think some
of our very best phenomena occurred the middle of the day. Yeaheah, Yeah,
but you're right. I mean, I think investigating at night dark house
by an r I R late, you know, there's something about that that's
just certainly scary. And I mean there's and there's a reason why, right,
Yeah, there's a reason why we blindfold you know during an estis method.
I mean it's too yeah, I mean to take away your sight,
but to heighten your senses and stuff that. I mean, that does definitely
help put yourself in that sensory deprived state, and things are just different.
We're in a more hottened state anyways, when it's dark. If if I'm
here in the jail after dark and up on the upper floors with the lights
off, I mean I know this jail like the back of my hand,
but things look different, things sound different, things are creepier at night,
and and it does it does tend to heighten yourself because you're in that more
hotened, fierce state. Um. But I mean, for me, just
some of the best solid evidence that I've captured, especially when it comes to
EVPs and some shadows, even because if you're in a house that kind of
has that ambient light. I don't like to investigate just in the dark.
So even if it's not time, I like to have some ambient light just
so you can capture your shadow figures better. What do you think about shadow
figures? People wear hats like, you know, a scali Yeah, I
think they're they're fascinating. Um, i've I do you know. I had
to. I had Mike Ricksecker on my show, and he had some really
interesting theories about those that that made a lot of sense to me. I
don't and this is just again me personally. I don't believe a lot of
people tend to think that the shadow figures are are all dark and negative.
I don't. I don't think that, um necessarily could they be? Yes,
But also, you know, anything has the potential to to um not
necessarily be be positive. But um, I tend to think. One of
the ways I heard them described was that, you know, it's kind of
how we're seeing it. Our eyes may not be able to um comprehend yeah,
to actually be able to see the color or the brilliance of all the
colors, and so it may be a translation type thing. The way that
our eyes and our brain are translating what we're seeing. It could also be
a vibration level that, um, you're not on the same vibration as what
you're seeing, and that's how you're seeing it. Um. Some of his
theories really really made a lot of sense to me. Oh yeah, we
watched the documentary as well. Okay talks about it, and um, yeah
we kind of agree. Oh hardly, right, like when we talk about
the dimensional thing where the frequencies and you're just kind of like maybe a little
bit in and they come across as a shadow or something like that. Actually,
I think it's documentary is called the Shadow Dimension, right, Yeah,
that's that is a lot of it featured the Conjuring House, which right down
the street, so Mike's Mike's grady and does have some great stuff on that
and like seeing percent of your human perceptions you only see a certain bound of
the em band, we only hear a certain amount. Yeah, we love
that because I think that really is true. Yeah. I had a lady
in and she actually explained it to me before before I heard Mike's theory on
it, and it actually really made a lot of sense because being an artist
and knowing, you know, kind of how you know how we see and
what color, what color is made up of, and what colors are lack
of color? Um, you know. She was telling me she wanted me
to actually draw a vision that she had, and the vision that she had
was when and unfortunately she has since passed away herself, but she wanted she
had a vision the day that her dad passed away. He was in the
hospital and she said she was praying and meditating and said that someone had she
just got a feeling that something was going to happen. And so before her
mom called and told her what happened, she had this vision that she saw
her dad laying in a hospital bed and he was surrounded by six shadow figures.
Now when we hear that, we tend to think, okay, what
is he doing being surrounded by these dark figures? And she said she saw
them lift him up. He was very limp when they lifted him up,
legs and arms hanging down. And then after they raised him up, he
actually raised up like he was reaching towards the heavens. And she said she
then saw, excuse me, his face smiling and rejoicing, and then it
saw it kind of moving toward her his face. And so right after that,
she got a call from from her mom that her dad had passed away,
and so she was an older lady, and she said that one of
the things, you know, she had been working on, she had the
vision of sight, and so she had actually been working with another lady who
was helping her to develop this, and so she was actually kind of troubled
by the dark shadow figures. And the lady described it as she our eyes
cannot see the brilliance of the color of the folks that were lifting him up.
And that really resonated with me because it's like, of course it would
show up black, because that would be all colors combined, the black would
be whereas white would be the absence of color. And so um, that
made perfect sense and actually really made made my perception of shadow figures change because
maybe that is the case. Maybe we can't, maybe our eyes cannot comprehend
and actually truly see what maybe animals or somebody else that can or something else
that can see in that spectrum is actually seen exactly such a thing. Yes,
yes, with the eyes And I like that. Mike came out with
that, Micket came up with that and said, you know all that about
the eyes and like this is so true years let me say it for years.
I'm like, we can't comprehend anything. Yeah, um, you were
going to show us some some data from, yes, the jail. Maybe
we could get into a little of that. Yes, yes, And I
apologize one of why my throat started tickling right when I was talking talking about
that. Um, yeah, I have several different pieces of evidence that I
can show. Um, do you want me to set it up first or
play it and then set it up? Oh? There's uh. Before we
started Henry Lisa's Good Evening from the old Gilchrist County Jail. I actually have
a piece of evidence from old Gilchrist County Jail that I can show and look
excellent. Um. So the first one that I'm going to show, since
we're talking about the jail here is uh something that was captured on our security
camera footage. Um right here one night. So when we have paranormal teams
here, we we stay in the gift shop. We say we're on site
but out of sight. And so the team had left. They left about
three o'clock and it was about three thirty in the morning. I had gone
up and cleaned up after the team, and so I had come back down
and I stepped out into the hall right outside of the gift shop, which
is just right across from the door here, and I heard this deep,
rich hum. It went for about three seconds, it coughed and then excuse
me not cleared its throat and then went for three more seconds. And it
really kind of shocked me when I heard it, because it was so loud
and so unexpected. And so I continued what I was doing, and I
went back into the gift shop to get my stuff to leave, and I
ended up calling my business partner and I say, when you go in the
next morning, pull the security cam footage and see if we captured this man.
Told her the time to look at and uh see if we caught him.
So she told me she was like, we did not catch the man
u humming. However, we did catch two voices, and so the one
I'm gonna play here, it will play it through. Man, they're like
a kiddie. Yeah, yeah, that's Sally. Sally, Sally as in
a cellmate Sally. I love it. Okay, see if this works this
time? Yes, yes, wow. That's one of the things we often
get here at the jail, as we get very we have very intelligent spirits
that are very aware of the situations that's going on. And so I believe
that while I heard that humming taking place up on between the second and third
floor on the stairwell, that we believe that the people it's two distinct voices
and one says there she is, and the other says not so loud next
time, telling the spirit not to be so loud. So we do get
a lot of common things like that. Responses that the spirits, they seem
to be aware and very intelligent, and they'll talk about what you're wearing,
they'll talk about the articles on the wall. It's pretty wild. That is
great, and yet just clear EVPs coming through there. I turned a volume
up as much as I could. It probably seemed a little progressively louder out
there, but clearly based on reactions in the audience, they could hear it
as well. And those words are super clear. Yeah, just that out
of the blue. Yeah, And that was that was captured on our security
cam and the security cameras do not have as good audio recordings as our recorders
do, so to be able to capture that as clear as it did.
Uh was was really was really impressive to us. Kim says, it sounds
like they're saying it because Spirit doesn't want to get caught. Yeah, that's
that's what we believe as well. Sonyask very clear conversation. Oh yeah,
that was really cool. And because you're not really investigating, or maybe maybe
you are, you're not really asking no your questions. No, no,
no, I was. I was actually And that was after our very first
investigation that that had been conducted here, at least the first team that we
had had come in and so, um, we were. We were real
impressed with that. And it's it's one of those things where it's like,
Wow, you want to go back and listen to all your security camera footage
because who knows what you're missing? Um, but uh but yeah, that
was and and to be able to go back, you know, Chris when
she called me, she was like, we didn't catch that Hume, but
we did catch these two voices. And she said, and there was nobody
else in the building. And I said, no, there was no one
else. They had been gone about thirty minutes because I'd been cleaning up and
had come down and was literally packing my stuff up to go. Oh that
is super cool. Um. I've got a variety of other pieces, and
you know, you tell me I have I have a few more from the
jail. I have a few more from some of the places that investigated,
um that that were highlighted in my series. So you just let me know
what we got. As far as Tom, you've got some time if you
want to run a couple and okay, plugged in and I gotta go pee
sure team at work. Um so uh this next one is um. This
was captured at the Grand Old Lady Hotel, which was in Balsam, North
Carolina. And this was a hotel that was built in the early nineteen hundreds.
It was a stop on the train system there and so a lot of
folks in the early nineteen hundreds would go there. They would ride the trains
there to the mountains of North Carolina and then they would end up spending their
summers there at this hotel. The hotel, it was very rustic when when
I stayed there on this particular night, it was part of a weekend investigation.
The first night it was myself and my videographer. I believe I highlighted
that episode season or season three, episode one. And then on the second
night I was doing, I was there with Soul Sisters paranormal, and so
they were conducting their investigation. We were actually sleeping. It was in a
room that was it was like a room where it had a big bed in
one room and like a sweet if you will, And so I was sleeping
in the outer room. We had just been talking about the next day how
we were all packing up and going to be leaving. So, like I
said, I was in one room. Christy and her twin sister were in
the back bedroom, and so we had laid down to go to sleep,
and we left the recorders going while we were there. So this was the
voice that was captured while we were in there sleeping. Maybe want wool sall?
Here's that? Oh? What did that sound like? Voice? That's
what I thought, wool wow? Maybe want wool oh? That's great.
Yeah. One of the things that I'll do on some of these investigations is
I do like to sleep at the location if I can, and I always
leave the recorder going. And what I'll end with here, I want to
play, you know, play a few others, but what I'll end with
is one where I slept at Brushy Mountain Prison and got some of the best
stuff, because I feel like we get some different things when we're in that
sleep state. We talk about that a lot. Hypnogogic pompic states. Yes,
yes, this next one I wanted to play. So this was highlighted.
This was the finest county jail, which was highlighted in episode one of
season five, my last season, and this is the one that I was
talking about that I cat caught the same thing during the on the Obelis as
well as on the Spirit Box. It's a slightly longer session, but it
kind of shows how everything is time together. And so it's interesting because I
hadn't mentioned this tool at all. One of the guy that I was speaking
with, he was he was known for he was an escape artist, and
so he had been on the FBI's most wanted list for I believe four years
while he was hiding out in a cave and when he was because he had
escaped from jail. He was hiding out and while he was there, they
did find out that he was this amazing artist and he had painted a bunch
of I think like three hundred pictures of Christ out there. I mean he
had painted a lot of pictures, so he was an artist. And uncle
ahead and play this. It pretty well speaks for himself here, all right,
Billy Jane, did you serve time in this jail? Did you kill
a long arsenal an officer? Did you injure some officers? All right?
So anyway you can can you see what I'm holding up? Sky? I
can hear you back there? Can you touch that little red light? Yeah?
Okay, can you see this? I don't I'm holding up m h.
I have to come back in the sense. I don't like that said
m H. I thought he'd said it's mine. I heard you were a
fantastic artist. I don't know why I feel Drona was last though. All
right, I got this tool again last week. You used it to say
a few words, Barye. We've got jail bars around us. We're in
a cell. Is this your self upon and ceiling? It's very love ceiling.
This is a very very small so we must have done something bad getting
here. How many people were in here with you? Can you tell me
what this is? Oh? Wow, you're Billy Deania Anderson. If you're
in this area, can you tell me what this is can you see it
taint? Are you serious? Holy crap, it's so paint. Oh that
was awesome, Marianrew, that was amazing. Well, thank you, Yeah
to me it it honestly blew my mind, you know, And thank you,
Michael. I appreciate that. Yeah, you know, I have no
explanation of how you know they were able to get that on both devices.
You know. We did another session in there. It's a long gervp.
I won't play at this point, but we have it in the video where
they kept wanting to play a game, and so I took cards and set
those cards there and I told them to either name the suit, the color,
or the number on the card as I would pull it up. And
so we played three different hands, five cards each hand, and they were
able to identify two of the cards. They called out the numbers and that
was in the first hand where it was lifted up and mind blowing. I
mean, so clearly whoever, yeah, whoever was in there was able to
really see what was what we were doing. They were able to see us.
So interesting. They can see you and you can't really see them,
but you know, within their spectrum exactly, absolutely, And the last one
I'll play this one. It's probably some of my best EVP evidence that I've
captured, and I captured it while I was sleeping. And so this was
at Brushy Mountain State Prison, which is known as the End of the Line.
I was sleeping in the hole and this was actually before the Now the
location is set up as it's a tourist attraction. You can investigate there.
They have a distillery there. They also have a restaurant that's there, But
at the time when I investigated, they hadn't even built those buildings there,
and so it was part of a two not investigation. And so we do
highlight this in season two, episode one called End of the Line. And
so I was actually there that night by myself. The two girls who ran
the paranormal they were there in the in the office area, so I decided
I was going to sleep there. The whole area is where they put the
worst of the worst, and you're literally walking down basically into a hole where
the person would be kept. It's pitch black. I laid down about eight
thirty in the morning and I slept for three and a half hours. And
so during that three and a half hours, I caught what was probably three
minutes and fifteen seconds of some of the best EVP evidence that I've ever captured,
both residual and both residual and intelligence. So I'll go ahead and pull
that up, Sally and about eight thirty in the morning, I'm going to
sleep a little bit. And it was just basically me a camera in my
audio recorder. What she ol. Wow, what's interesting about this laundry is
there's no power in in the jail period and it has that distinguishable laundry sound.
M m. This one is a little more confusing to me. This
one on for five minutes. Like a ball bouncing. Okay, I can
hear it. I could hear it. Yeah, that sounds like a tennis
ball. Yes. I talked to a former corrections officer, not at Brushy,
but just a corrections officer in general and at another prison, and he
said that he believed that that was that probably was a ball, because he
said they would often give them rubber balls so that they could they could use
them for entertainment, and it wasn't something that they could easily fashion into contraband
Hey, yeah that makes sense, Yeah, that makes sense. I'd be
something to do is play handball or something. Yeah. I mean they're in
solitary. What else are they gonna do, you know it besides go nuts?
So absolutely, yeah, absolutely so um. You know, to me,
that was one you know, if I can, and I've got several
other episodes where I was able to sleep at the locations. I know,
Brushy doesn't allow people to sleep there now. Like I said, that was
way before they opened, and to me, it was just it was an
interesting experiment something I like to try at other places because, like we talked
about it, does you do get a lot different activity when you when you're
able to go in that more vulnerable state. Yes, yeah, it's not
necessarily better activity, it's just different. Yeah, that's so cool. There
was one question, and we're going to find out where we can find you
and all of that stuff I want to show the folks watching. Um.
Greg had asked Branda, did you ever investigate the tunnels below Brushi. I've
not. I've seen the tunnels below Brushy, but I've never investigated them.
I know they've got those natural springs that run underneath there, and I think
that there would be a lot of activity that you would get under there,
or at least the potential for it. Yeah. People commenting on the Yeah,
like I said the night night, is if I had heard that in
the moment, and I got to say, you know, so it was
part of a two night investigation. The first night I had investigated by myself.
The second night there was a huge group of us there and I think
it was eight other teams that came and yeah, yeah, And it was
basically we were experimenting because it was Easter weekend and we wanted to see if
things were different on Easter weekend. We all actually saw a shadow figure manifest
in the cafeteria and there were nine of us in there that saw this happen
before our eyes. It was probably one of the most incredible things. And
um, but I wanted to see because after that first night, I thought,
you know, I'm so tired. I want to see if I can
sleep, and I truly didn't think I would be able to fall asleep.
And I literally picked the bunk that had the least they have They have snakes
there, and so I picked the one that had the least the least bird
bone in it and feathers, and um, I said at the time,
it was it was a very very rough area before before it open, and
um, yeah, they've got they used to have a lot of rattlers there.
Um. But anyways, and my thought was, okay, I need
to make sure to check my boots when I get up. And yeah,
but um but I was laying there and I literally just I was out like
so quick either I was just so exhausted, but I had my sleeping bag,
and um, I mean I hardly woke up. I mean there was
a time or so I woke up when I was turning, but that I
was gonna say, I not. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but now
there was an EVP or something was going on. You were turning, you
were actually moving every time. Yeah, that's bizarre. Yeah. Yeah,
so it's like you you knew, but you didn't. So it is in
one of those you know, maybe you could hear it right. And I
learned really quick because the Grand Old Lady investigation. A lot of people will
laugh about the fact that I don't move when I'm doing It's like you didn't
even move when that happened. But since I've been sleeping at these locations,
I've found, you know, obviously that's what I'm looking for, is activity.
And so when it happens. It's like if I if I am awake
and I do hear something, I don't want to run the risk of contaminating
by like raising up real quick and causing you know, dust orbs, or
causing some type of false positive just from my reaction. UM, So I
tend to try to if I hear something, lay as still as I possibly
can and and hopefully it captures it. Absolutely, spiders too, Yeah,
don't give me going snakes and spiders. I'm good now where it is?
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