WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:04.360 This is a commercial, free archive edition of our live radio show that airs 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:12.839 every Friday at noon, Arizona time on openminds dot TV. Welcome to Open 3 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:18.039 Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former Director of Public Education and official 4 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:23.600 spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro has been a UFO paranormal researcher and 5 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:28.640 journalist for nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal 6 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:33.200 up close and personal. And now Open Minds Radio presents evidence and the latest 7 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:41.600 news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello everybody, 8 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:46.679 This is Alejandro with Open Minds Radio and we have another great guest today. 9 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:51.200 We're hitting you with something kind of heavy out there in Phoenix. I 10 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:55.280 know we've been taken in easy on you, but we're actually having a show 11 00:00:55.759 --> 00:01:00.719 about abductions, and I know that's kind of out there topic and a lot 12 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:06.680 of people haven't seen some of the best evidence related to abductions, and that's 13 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:11.079 why I want to cover this now. I was skeptical myself when I first 14 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:15.400 got into this field and I heard about that subject, and when I started 15 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:18.959 to hear people who had these claims. I was thinking, okay, but 16 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:22.000 you know, I want to see more. And I did see more. 17 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:25.959 I saw a lot more, but I can take it. Some people would 18 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:30.280 be afraid, but not me. I'm fearless man. You got to be 19 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:34.200 when you're looking into the paranormal. And one of the most incredible cases that 20 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:40.680 I ran across was that of a young man. Actually he's not that young. 21 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:44.200 He's a lot older than I am, but he's a good buddy of 22 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:49.200 mine, Stan Romanek. I first got involved with this case when I saw 23 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:52.959 some of the most amazing UFO video I had ever seen, and I thought, 24 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:57.680 Wow, how the heck could this guy have hoaxed this video? I 25 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:00.040 thought, there's no way he could do that. Then I found out more 26 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:06.439 about some of the abduction experiences that he had had, and luckily, eventually 27 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:09.360 I got to know him and got to actually work on the case. Stan 28 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:15.520 made some international news when it still from a video that he took appeared. 29 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:22.280 It looked like one of those little gray alien characters. But this still was 30 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:25.879 circulated throughout the media, and if you're watching on the stream at Openminds dot 31 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:30.439 tv will show you that picture, or if you go to Stanromanek dot com. 32 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:36.240 You'll be able to see it there as well. But this picture alone 33 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:42.719 is hardly evidence. It's just one of many, many different incidents that had 34 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:47.120 happened, and most people don't know that Stan does have an abundance of evidence 35 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:53.719 that supports that he's being abducted by something or someone, possibly who knows, 36 00:02:53.800 --> 00:03:00.800 but possibly extraterrestrials. Regardless, he's got some incredible footage of UFOs, balls 37 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:07.319 of lights, possible extraterrestrials. And one very exciting thing is that for those 38 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:09.560 of you who live in the Phoenix metro area, you're gonna be able to 39 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:17.360 come check out Stam's presentation on Sunday, January twenty fourth, at one pm 40 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:23.960 at the Vision Quest Metaphysical Bookstore. The cost is only five dollars. It's 41 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:29.360 at two two two five North Scottsdale Road in Arizona, and this is just 42 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:32.039 to cover the cost of bringing him out here so you can meet him in 43 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:37.080 person, and you're gonna see, you know everything. You're gonna see the 44 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:42.319 videos, the audio videos of balls of lights flying around. More than that, 45 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:45.919 though, you're gonna hear firsthand from him some of these incredible experiences. 46 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:51.000 We're gonna get into it and just a little while some of what's gone on. 47 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:55.840 But first we're gonna get into the news. These are UFO headlines from 48 00:03:55.879 --> 00:04:00.680 around the world. We keep a close eye on the conventional media and we 49 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.759 cover and everything they cover on this subject. You'll be surprised that if you 50 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:09.199 go to our website open Minds dot tv, we're updating it on nearly a 51 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:13.919 daily basis. Because there are a lot of UFO stories out there. A 52 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.040 lot of people think, eh, you know, not much is going on 53 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:19.720 in this Only a few people are seeing things, but a lot of people 54 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:24.120 see stuff. So go to our website and check it out at your leisure 55 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:28.800 or go there. Right now, we have with us today someone to cover 56 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.160 the news. We had him here last week and he's one of the most 57 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:38.439 exciting new features of Open Minds Radio, and that is our news correspondent, 58 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:44.000 Jason McClelland thanks Aalajdro I'm glad, I'm exciting. Let's get into the news 59 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.759 from the week. The death of a leading international UFO and crop circle researcher 60 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.000 is still a mystery. Paul the Gay, who worked on the two thousand 61 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:55.879 and two Mel Gibson movie Signs was found dead in February of last year, 62 00:04:55.959 --> 00:05:00.000 floating in the sea. The ind questions to his death failed to conclude how 63 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.720 wound up dead in the water, and police found no signs of assault or 64 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:09.160 struggle. But on the evening before his death, his girlfriend apparently notified him 65 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:13.959 that she wanted to end a three year relationship. It's possible that Vigue committed 66 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.120 suicide because of this, but no suicide note was ever found, though a 67 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:23.439 note later found. That note found in his office simply read I love you, 68 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.279 and that could be interpreted as a goodbye note. Hm. Who knows? 69 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:31.079 This is a guy who actually consulted on the movie signed with Mel Gibson 70 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:35.600 about crop circles and if you remember that, these ets bad little guys, 71 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:39.959 although there are little weaklings because they were be able to get beat up really 72 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:45.160 easy. But yeah, this guy consulted for that movie. So it's interesting 73 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:49.360 that it's actually the media who finds his death mysterious. So did he commit 74 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:54.720 suicide? Possibly? I haven't seen a picture of his girlfriend. She might 75 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:59.040 have been a bombshell, who knows, or just a lovely person inside. 76 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.759 I think you're right. Who knows? There was a UFO that landed at 77 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:10.160 a school in the UK. Students were shocked when the UFO landed at the 78 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:14.480 Red House Primary School in Sutherland. The craft wasn't from space, though, 79 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.399 but rather a creation of the school staff's part of a three week space project, 80 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:21.759 complete with smoke, lights and goo. The teachers tried to make the 81 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:26.720 experience as real as possible for students, and they even had police officers come 82 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.399 out to the scene. The real purpose of the project was to engage students 83 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:36.720 and help them develop their writing skills. But they wonder in their effort to 84 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:41.959 make it as real as possible, I wonder how many of them have experienced 85 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:46.639 UFO landings and where this idea of goo comes from. Yeah, it's interesting 86 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:51.560 that some teachers should choose to use a UFO landing in order to teach their 87 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:55.639 students. So I wonder, you know a lot of people, a lot 88 00:06:55.720 --> 00:07:00.199 of people out there are believers of this phenomena, you know, debatably, 89 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.680 maybe even fifty percent or more of the people out there, A lot of 90 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.920 our lovely listeners, and some of you are maybe skeptics, which is great 91 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:12.920 as well, but it's interesting that they should choose that way to go. 92 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.040 Teachers absolutely first school project. That's pea cool. I didn't have anything about 93 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.560 that in school, No me either. We got to chant landings as gross. 94 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:25.959 Oh, let's go to China. China was buzzing with UFO reports this 95 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:30.240 week after a celestial lights show was seen by many witnesses. Chinese officials have 96 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:34.839 come forward with an explanation of a secret military missile test to explain the bizarre 97 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:40.240 sighting. And this report comes just months after, or one month after, 98 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:44.279 the strange sighting in Russia that was also explained by officials as a missile test. 99 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:46.000 Yeah, and this one I think is neat. The pictures that came 100 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:49.360 along, they are a little fuzzy, but I mean they're kind of extraordinary, 101 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:53.800 just like the Norway thing that happened a couple of weeks ago. You 102 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:58.720 see this ball of light kind of flying around in this screen or at least 103 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.319 just to still of that. And it's a neat picture. So you can 104 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:07.959 go to openminds dot tv to look at that picture, look up the story, 105 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.959 or if you're watching our streaming at our website, you can see it 106 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:16.399 there as well. So very interesting pictures. And I guess with these reports 107 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.839 of all these secret missile tests missile tests are possibly the new weather balloon. 108 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.920 Yeah exactly. I mean there are missile tests going on, but some of 109 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.000 these things, at least this one especially, you know, with this big 110 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.600 ball of light that doesn't look like anything like a missile. Well, in 111 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:33.919 the way that a lot of these reports come out of the sightings that people 112 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:41.600 see, they describe the objects as spinning, and unless all these missiles are 113 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:46.799 going crazy, yeah, kind of weird that they're spinning when Chinye's really failing 114 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:50.799 in their missile program. I guess it's good that they're testing though and getting 115 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:52.919 things right. If their missiles are spinning out of control. Yeah, that's 116 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:58.559 scary. Oh, you might think the desk gets your office is weird. 117 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:05.320 Ron Pandolphi literally occupied the desk named the Weird Desk at the CIA, at 118 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.600 least that's what they call it. The Weird Desk is apparently in charge of 119 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:13.080 investigating real life X files, UFO and paranormal activity. Pandelphia is apparently the 120 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:18.039 one who briefed the Clintons on UFOs and aliens as well. Pandelphi, Yeah, 121 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:24.679 I wrote a story that hit a big website called COSTACOSAM. Probably a 122 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.679 lot of our listeners are familiar with that radio show. Me and Antonio from 123 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:33.159 Open Minds were on the show recently, but it's a very popular website and 124 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.120 they posted one of the stories that we had posted this week. Luckily it 125 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.799 came from Grant Cameron, who runs PRESIDENTIALUFO dot com. He had found this, 126 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:50.080 but a guy named Tony Antonio or Tonio Cusine had discovered that Laurence Rockefeller 127 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:54.679 and Hillary Clinton were walking in the woods and she was holding this book about 128 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.519 ets from a guy named Paul David's and it was a philosophical exploration of what 129 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:03.960 if he he's had come to the planet. And that was discovered, you 130 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:09.120 know, and everybody knew about it, and Pandolphie had helped brief. We 131 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:16.559 have some documents at HILLARYCLINTONUFO dot net that is also ran by Grant Cameron that 132 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:22.600 show that Hillary was helping Lawrence Rockefeller write some paperwork to Bill Clinton, who 133 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:28.320 was then president, to get him to disclose on UFOs and Pandolphie was also 134 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:33.720 requested by the White House to brief the White House on the whole UFO field 135 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:39.720 and some of his buddies in the CIA. It's really an interesting full tie 136 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:45.200 in with the CIA and Lawrence Rockefeller and the White House on what was going 137 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.799 on back then. And you can check out again on a website. It's 138 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.720 on the front page Open mindsat TV. Thanks Jason, we're out of time. 139 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.320 We've got to take a break. We'll be right back. You're listening 140 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:15.480 to Open Minds Radio on kfnet. All right, we are back and you 141 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:20.480 are listening to Open Minds Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, 142 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:26.799 and we are about to bring on Stan Romanic, the abductde He's written a 143 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:33.639 book called Messages that you can actually go get at your Borders or or Barnes 144 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:39.080 Noble everywhere. It's a great book that overviews a little bit of what's gone 145 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:41.679 on with him in a little while. In about fifteen minutes or so, 146 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.080 you'll be able to call in and ask questions. I'll give you that number 147 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:52.000 now at six oh two two seven seven KFNX, which is five three six 148 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:54.080 ' nine. That's six oh two two seven seven five three sixty nine. 149 00:11:54.159 --> 00:12:00.720 Also you can call the toll free if you're one of our online listeners, 150 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:05.279 and that's eight sixty six five three six eleven hundred. But let's talk to 151 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.159 Stan. Are you on the line. Yes, I sure am all right. 152 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.120 Great, it is great to hear from you again, and we're just 153 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:18.919 going to be able to get into the basics of what's gone on with your 154 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:26.159 case. So let's start off with the beginning. These incredible videos that you 155 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:33.120 took. Well, the beginning of my story probably started, honestly when when 156 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:39.159 I was a young child, But really the major part of my experiences started 157 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:45.039 in two thousand, December of two thousand, to be exact. I had 158 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:48.039 met my wife online. She lived in Nebraska. I lived in Colorado, 159 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.120 and I wanted to send her a care package with a video of the surrounding 160 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.759 scenery, because you know, Colorado's beautiful, and so I decided to go 161 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:01.320 up to the foothills and kind of and kind of video tape the skyline, 162 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.279 and I was gonna send it to her. And only trouble is, I've 163 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:09.440 never made it to my destination. On the side of the road, a 164 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.960 bunch of people were pulled off the side of the road and they were looking 165 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.600 up to the south and there was a huge UFO hovering above the power lines. 166 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.720 And that's pretty much when it all started. And this thing didn't look 167 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.840 traditional like your disk or actually I don't know that I've ever heard any other 168 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:30.360 craft that like the one you got on your video reported anywhere. Could you 169 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:37.679 describe kind of what it looked like. It was like a bench of spears 170 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:41.919 stacked up on top of each other. The top sphere must have been about 171 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:48.120 thirty forty foot in diameter, and there were five or six smaller spheres rotating 172 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:54.960 counterclockwise beneath the larger top, and you know, it was pretty amazing. 173 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.799 You know. At first, when I first saw this thing, I thought 174 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.840 it was some kind of strange hot air balloon. But as I got close, 175 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:05.799 I realized it was actually a metallic craft. And at the time I 176 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.759 really really did not believe in UFOs, right, and it's movement, what 177 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.360 was it moving? I know it was moving. What was that like? 178 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.799 Well, it was, first of all, it was silent. The only 179 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:22.960 thing that I remember specifically was there was a lot of static charge in the 180 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.039 air, and it smelled a little bit like ozone, which I thought was 181 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:31.919 rather bizarre for a sunny winter day. But it was tilted forward and it 182 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:35.960 was moving along the power lines, and as I got closer to it, 183 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:37.480 you know, to me, it seemed like it was pacing my van. 184 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.320 I was pretty scared by that point, and I kind of hit the gas 185 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.879 and then I realized that my camcorder with me, and I decided, well, 186 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:50.080 there's some people around, I'm going to be brave, and I pulled 187 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.080 off the side of the road and I rolled down my window to get a 188 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:54.519 better shot of this thing. Right when I did that, you know, 189 00:14:54.759 --> 00:15:00.840 I it seemed to notice me. And when it did, it kind of 190 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:07.039 reorientated itself. It stood straight up and literally popped to about one thousand foot. 191 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.240 It moved that fast. I couldn't even follow it with my eyes. 192 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.720 So it was lower and it shot straight up. Yes, it was about 193 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.720 it must have been maybe sixty to one hundred foot above the ground. It 194 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:24.519 was very close, and then it went about one thousand foot just in an 195 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.519 instant. And of course I'm guessing at you know, how far it was. 196 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:31.320 But I grew up in the military, in the Air Force, and 197 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.039 we used to, you know, when I was a kid, we were 198 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.279 woking up every morning by jets flying over in the sonic explosions or sonic booms 199 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.639 that they'd make. And that's what happened. When this thing accelerated away, 200 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:45.279 I could create a sonic boom and I could fill my shirt vibrate. It 201 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:50.399 was rather astounding. Now you can look at some stills of this craft at 202 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:56.440 Stand's ret website. Stan ROMANECR M A N e K. I'm pretty sure 203 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:03.039 I get that right, yep dot com and the video people will be able 204 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:06.399 to see on Sunday. And if you can't make it on Sunday in Scotchdale, 205 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:08.679 you can go see him at the UFO Congress, which is a big 206 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:14.919 UFO conference in Laughlin, Nevada coming up here in a few weeks and you 207 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:21.120 can read about that conference at Ufocongress dot com. But let's get into then 208 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:23.919 your second and third sighting, because that's when stuff really started getting crazy. 209 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:32.080 Well, I had, you know, about a year had passed and I 210 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.200 was really having a hard time with this. I just refused to believe. 211 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.639 It actually took me a few years to come to terms with what was going 212 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.399 on. By this point, I had been followed by a UFO through three 213 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:45.639 and a half or two and a half states from at some stuff I had 214 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:51.480 to do in Pennsylvania. So me and my friend and my girlfriend who is 215 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.519 now my wife, you know, drove out there and drove back, and 216 00:16:55.559 --> 00:17:02.120 then it was I believe it was Timber November. I don't remember offhand. 217 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:10.440 Two thousand and one, when I was at work and I was just about 218 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:12.799 I was managing a store and I was just buff close up for the evening 219 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:17.480 and some customers, the customers came running back in and they were yelling, 220 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:22.640 there's something above your work. I assumed somebody was messing around on the roof. 221 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.319 I ran outside to see, you know, if I could see anybody 222 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.359 on the roof, But they're pointing up in the sky, and above my 223 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:36.279 work was a rather large ball shaped ufoll. I mean, this thing was 224 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:41.039 pretty big. What did it look like in maybe size and color? Again, 225 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:45.240 it must have been oh thirty forty foot in diameter, except this thing 226 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:49.799 was perfectly round, it didn't have any other spheres surrounding it, and it 227 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:56.200 was the prettiest red orange color I'd ever seen in my life. And it 228 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:00.400 was blinking really fast. They estimated it was about eight times a second. 229 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:04.160 Wow. And this thing was just covering there, no sound, no anything, 230 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:08.599 and we're all watching this thing in total amazement. Eventually, this object 231 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:15.200 floated away and I locked up the store and I quickly got in my car, 232 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:18.759 and I was driving home because I wanted to tell my sister and my 233 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:19.720 friend, who were waiting for me, we're going to go out to dinner 234 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:26.240 that evening. And as I was driving, I see this blinking object off 235 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:29.839 in the distance and it looked like it was coming back, And by the 236 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:33.759 time I got to the apartment, it was right over the apartment building, 237 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:37.759 and I ran upstairs, got my camcorder, got my sister and my friend 238 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.160 and we watched this thing for a little bit. Eventually it went away. 239 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:45.839 By the time everything was said and done, it was about eleven o'clock. 240 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:49.000 My friend had gone home and I went to bed, and about two o'clock 241 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:52.599 in the morning, there was a knock at the door and I thought it 242 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:56.559 was my friend, but it turned out to be something else. Yeah, 243 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:02.480 I wanted to mention too the object. When you said they had discovered that 244 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:06.359 it was blinking about eight times a second, you had gotten some video of 245 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:11.880 this object, and who looked at it and who was it that determined it 246 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:17.200 was blinking at eight seconds? Well, where my experiences first started. Moufon 247 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:22.079 actually got involved, and I don't remember who it was that Moufon sent it 248 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:26.799 off to, but the first initial analysis was that this object was blinking eight 249 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:33.079 times a second, and it was actually what they were looking at. The 250 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.400 reason it was red is because it was in some kind of infrared light. 251 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:41.079 Most of it was glowing in infrared light, and what we could see of 252 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:47.559 it anyhow to the naked eye was about thirty foot diameter. So these were 253 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:52.680 some investigators from the mutual UFO network, which we talked about last week in 254 00:19:52.759 --> 00:20:00.319 a just a large investigative organization exactly. So you were getting to some of 255 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.079 the weirdness that happened that night, and you had some visitors at two am. 256 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:10.039 What do you consciously remember about those visitors. Well, you know, 257 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:14.319 first of all, I gotta tell you, whenever you watch these TV shows, 258 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:18.000 this really bugs me. If you watch the news, they always try 259 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:21.759 to tell you it's sleep paralysis. So now every time we see a UFO 260 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:23.799 we always look at each other and go, it's just sleep paralysis. We 261 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:27.880 joke around. What they don't tell you is there's a lot of experiencers who 262 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:32.319 have had things happen while they were fully awake, like Biddy and Barney Hill, 263 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:40.359 Travis Walton. You know, myself, I remember pretty much everything because 264 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:44.599 I was such a skeptic. My brain refused to believe it. I I 265 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:48.400 conned myself into believing it was all a dream. But I wasn't a sleep 266 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.000 when this happened. I was fully awake. I remembered everything. I even 267 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:56.880 remember the smell. Gotcha. And you know what, We're gonna have to 268 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:59.920 take a break. But when we get back from break, we're gonna talk 269 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:06.039 more about what Stan remembers and it is pretty shocking as well as these videos 270 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:11.160 which Stan it took of these craft, which is also shocking. Remember, 271 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:14.759 in a few minutes here, you're going to be able to call in and 272 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:18.839 ask Stan some questions. If you're in the Phoenix Mectro area, that's six 273 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.640 oh two two seven seven, five three sixty nine or the twelve three number, 274 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:29.519 which is eight sixty six, five three six eleven hundred. We're going 275 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:33.519 to take a short break. We'll be right back with Stan Romanik. You're 276 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:52.160 listening to Alejandro Rojas on Open Minds Radio at KFNX, and we're back. 277 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.599 You're listening to Open Minds Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas, and 278 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:03.960 you are listening to KFNX, and we've got Stan Romanek on the line. 279 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.519 I wanted to mention, and we're going to talk more about this in a 280 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.559 few minutes. There is a way for all of you to see these amazing 281 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:17.039 videos and different pictures and stuff we're talking about, and that is going to 282 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:22.200 be a movie, a documentary that will be coming out hopefully pretty soon here. 283 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:26.480 And I'm just dying for other people to see this stuff, because of 284 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.799 course I get a lot of heck for supporting Stan's case. But you know 285 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:32.960 what, I've seen the evidence and it's amazing and if you see it, 286 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:37.480 you'll understand what I'm talking about. So come down and take a look at 287 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.720 Vision quest or go to the UFO Congress, or just wait for the video 288 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:44.640 to come out. And we're going to talk to the guy who's making that 289 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.559 video when we come back from our next break. But Stan, you are 290 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:55.440 telling us about what you remembered that night after you saw that large red UFO. 291 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:02.160 Well, when I went to the door, you know, somebody was 292 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:03.319 knocking at the door, and the first thing I thought was, you know, 293 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:07.559 my friend had broken down and maybe it took them a while to walk 294 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:10.759 back, or you know, we live in an apartment complex. I wasn't 295 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:12.759 sure. In many cases, I got up to see who it was. 296 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.039 And by the time I got there, my sister had already answered the door, 297 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:22.119 and I saw three people standing outside and they looked like I assumed they 298 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:27.880 were young teenagers because they were smaller, you know, smaller stature than your 299 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:33.720 average adult. And as I was walking forward, I'm looking at these guys 300 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.440 and I'm thinking, man, they've got some pretty elaborate costumes on. Did 301 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:41.759 they, you know, just get out of a costume party? What did 302 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.720 they look like? Huh? Well, there was a female and two males. 303 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:49.680 You could tell she was a female because she had a female physique. 304 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:55.759 And they were smaller. They must have been about four foot something, very 305 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:03.400 very slender, very skinny necks, very skinny, and huge heads. Their 306 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:08.319 heads almost look too big for their bodies. Huge planted, almond shaped eyes. 307 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:14.200 Except what I remember where their eyes weren't black like your you know, 308 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:22.799 typical et sounding you know almost people describe eteeth. They had almost baby baby 309 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:27.359 blue irises. The irises were this deep baby blue color. What was the 310 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:34.440 color of their skin? Their skin very pale, not gray like people talk 311 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:40.319 about, but just very very very pale, like say that's never been as 312 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:42.519 a sun. And what was your sister doing. I mean, she opened 313 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:47.400 the door, and well, that's the thing. That's the thing that really 314 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:52.839 struck me as unusual is the fact that she just stood there. I mean, 315 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:57.039 she just stood there looking at the ceiling, like literally like they had 316 00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:02.279 turned her off or something. I remember looking at her and her mouth was 317 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.279 open and she was stern. I thought she was stern at a spot at 318 00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:07.000 the ceiling or something. Yeah, and a few weeks we're going to have 319 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:14.119 a counselor who's done a lot of regressions and she talks about that too, 320 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:18.440 where often when people have these experiences, they report their spouses like just turned 321 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:25.400 off. And apparently that's what happened to my sister. What's interesting when you 322 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:30.599 talk to my sister, she'll tell she'll tell you that she remembers that there 323 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:33.119 were three people at the door, But what she remembers is there were three 324 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:37.480 people in pin stripe suits that there were some kind of business suits, and 325 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:42.799 that's all strange. So then what happened with these little characters, Well, 326 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:47.880 you know, I thought they were gonna honestly, I thought they were going 327 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:51.839 to rob us. I mean, why else were they wearing costumes or masks 328 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:55.720 until I got really close and I realized that I could see the veins in 329 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.319 their head. I could you know, their facial features were you know, 330 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.400 moving, and their expressions were just too real to be you know, a 331 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:07.319 mask, and I really, honestly, I started getting pretty scared. And 332 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:14.319 then the female kind of just pushed my sister aside and grabbed my wrist. 333 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.839 And you know, it's really kind of hard to explain unless you have had 334 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:23.240 this happen to you, and it's sometimes hard for me to talk about because 335 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:29.079 I still have issues with believing it myself. But a thought popped into my 336 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:33.880 head, and the only way I can explain it is that thought wasn't my 337 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.599 own thought. It was it's going to be okay, You're going to be 338 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.359 okay. Well I wasn't going to be okay. I didn't put that thought 339 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:48.160 there, And for whatever reason, I just was going along with whatever this 340 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:49.960 thing was doing, and she was they were leading It seemed like they were 341 00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.319 leading me out to the balcony. Now we live in a second story apartment. 342 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.160 Right as we got to the door, I snapped out of whatever trance 343 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:02.720 I was in, and I was I grabbed one of the males next to 344 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.440 me, and I was literally going to throw this thing off the balcony. 345 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.440 I felt a tap on the back of my head and I woke up somewhere 346 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:15.119 else. Do you remember waking up where you woke up? Oh? Yeah, 347 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.759 I woke up. Well. I was literally when I came to, 348 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:26.319 I was stuck to a wall. The wall not like glued. It was 349 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.119 like you know if you go on those amusement park rides with centripical force, 350 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.759 like tilted whirl I think they call them. It's just like that. It's 351 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:38.640 like some kind of gravitational thing. And I could move my head a little 352 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:42.480 bit, I could move my feet and my hands, but I couldn't move 353 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:49.039 my body. And I remember the female walked over to me. I was 354 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.920 really really panicking at this point, and I couldn't forget how she could walk 355 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.559 around and I couldn't move. And she put her hand on this lip panel 356 00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:02.119 next to where I was up to the wall, and it just let go 357 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:07.319 of me. So and then you were able to move completely. I was 358 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.559 able to move completely. Yeah, it was pretty bizarre. So what did 359 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:15.000 you do? Pardon me, what did you do when you were able to 360 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.400 move? Well, I just kind of stood there and again I must have 361 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.119 been in some kind of I don't know if I was. Honestly, I 362 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.799 can't tell you if I was in a UFO, if I was in somebody's 363 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:30.000 house, I couldn't tell you. But I seemed to be semi conscious and 364 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:37.440 kind of unconscious all at the same time. And you know, they one 365 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.599 of the mails came over and he had a box hanging from a strap over 366 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.720 his shoulder, and at the end of this box was a tube that looked 367 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:52.000 like I was connected to what looked to me almost like a melon baller for 368 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.720 lack of a better description. And yeah, what happened? Did he do 369 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:06.000 something with this or well? You know, they they started doing something to 370 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:10.160 my lower back, and I remember this excruciating pain in my lower back, 371 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:15.559 and it appeared that they were taking some kind of skin grash or something. 372 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.720 And I remember feeling a tap on the back of my head and I woke 373 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.759 up on the table apparently the pain. They realized the pain was a little 374 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:27.319 bit too much for me, and I woke up on the table. Wow, 375 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:38.480 Hello, what was that? No, that wasn't me. I don't 376 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.400 know what that was. So when you were on the table, what what 377 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:52.960 did was this table like Hello, I guess we lost our collar, so 378 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:57.839 something happened. I know sometimes he has phone problems, so perhaps that was 379 00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:03.240 it. He will be getting back on the line, but I can share. 380 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.400 You know, one thing that happened with me was Stan, when I 381 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:12.559 was investigating this case. We were outside and we were looking at the sky 382 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.400 and it seemed like there were a bunch of satellites starting to come into the 383 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.759 sky, because there's one after another after another, and they were moving in 384 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:23.680 a straight, steady line. But one of them took like this jay hook 385 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:30.799 maneuver and then it faded out, So of course, satellites kind of don't 386 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:36.759 do jay hook maneuvers. Are you Backstan, Yeah, that was really weird. 387 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.440 What was that? I don't know it. Did you just lost a 388 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:44.759 connection? Yeah, it just went dead. I just heard something mumbling in 389 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.960 the background. It just went dead. Well, let's talk about when you 390 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.359 got up in the morning. Well, actually, we're gonna have to go 391 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.279 to break in just a second here, so that was kind of weird. 392 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.039 Of course I heard some sort of voice, but we'll have to listen to 393 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:04.680 the show later to see what the heck that was. But we're about to 394 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:10.000 go to break, so I'll just mention again that we're gonna have Jack Roth 395 00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.720 on when we get back from break and he is the guy who is doing 396 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:17.880 the documentary, so we'll talk to him about that. And if you want 397 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.839 to call in and ask Stan any questions, you can call six oh two 398 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:26.359 two seven seven five three sixty nine or the toll free number that's eight sixty 399 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.759 six five three six eleven hundred. We'll be right back here listening to Open 400 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:53.960 Minds Radio on KFNX. Welcome back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio and 401 00:31:55.119 --> 00:32:00.279 I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas. We are here with Stan Romanek, who 402 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:06.359 has some incredible abduction experiences going on. I'm affected by something who knows what. 403 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:10.079 And remember you can come see him in a couple of days at Vision 404 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:15.440 Quest Metaphysical Bookstore. It's only five bucks and that's at two two two five 405 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:22.119 North Scottsdale Road in Scottsdale. It's at one pm and he'll be showing us 406 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:27.240 a lot of these videos and different things that he's been talking about. But 407 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:32.359 we've also got on the line, Jack Roth, who is doing a video 408 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:36.440 of Stan. Are you on the line, Jack, I am on the 409 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.720 line. How you doing Alijango doing great. It's good to hear from you 410 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.599 again. It is good to talk to you, you know. By the 411 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:46.079 way, I was on on hold listening to the show when Stan got cut 412 00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:50.920 off, and I don't know, I know if you guys heard that what 413 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.680 was said there, but I heard it very clearly. Uh huh. I 414 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:57.079 don't know if you want to hear it or not, but there was definitely 415 00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.319 a voice on there that said something and it was kind of, uh, 416 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:06.039 kind of strange. What did you hear? I heard a very strange It 417 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.039 was a male voice say you need to learn to keep your mouth shut, 418 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.960 and then all of a sudden he went dead. Now that's I mean, 419 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:19.480 I have I didn't want to go into too much on this because there's a 420 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.960 lot going on and you can hear more. I've gotten weird phone calls that 421 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:28.880 said it was coming from my own phone regarding this case. And I know, 422 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.759 I think, have you gotten one of these weird phone calls since you've 423 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.960 been involved with this case, Jack, Yeah, we've gotten three or four. 424 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:37.960 Yeah. I mean, I don't want to like to go there too 425 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.319 much because you know, you got to come and see all of this evidence. 426 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:44.319 I heard of this sort of thing happening. I would be like, 427 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.039 come on, guys, yeah right, but when you see everything going on, 428 00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:51.359 I mean, it's weird stuff. I don't know. You know, 429 00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:53.400 we'll talk to people some more about it. But Jack, I wanted to 430 00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:59.279 ask you, what was it regarding what you had seen with Stan that you 431 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:04.319 know, kind of prompted you to do this documentary. Well, actually, 432 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.119 ironically you were there at the time. It was funny. It was when 433 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:12.639 I met you and Chuck in Denver while I was out in Denver doing something 434 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.760 unrelated to the to stand story, uh, and I just by chance met 435 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:20.559 you guys, uh, And we wound up spending a significant amount of time 436 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.360 on that trip together talking about different things. And you had mentioned his case 437 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:30.079 and started talking about it and what I you know, sometimes with paranormal investigations 438 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.679 you kind of have to You want to you want to follow the evidence and 439 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.880 and follow the facts, but you also need to use your intuition. And 440 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.679 something was telling me that you guys were you were very serious about this. 441 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.800 It was a very serious case. It was it was real. The things 442 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.159 that were happening were real, and some of the things that are happening were 443 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:53.440 so profound that to me, I knew that it was important. It was 444 00:34:53.480 --> 00:35:00.280 important for the message that was being sent to stand for and through Stan needed 445 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:01.840 to get out to the public. I just thought it was an important case. 446 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.760 And it was at that time when I actually met you guys, that 447 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.039 I realized, you know what, this this needs to be told the right 448 00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:13.199 way. There are a lot of times there are stories that are these phenomenal 449 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.840 cases and stories that are happening to people they don't get told correctly. Yeah, 450 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.159 there's certain people get their hands on it in the wrong way. There's 451 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.960 that Hollywood factor, that's right. Like Stannard referred to Travis Walton and he 452 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.199 had an incredible encounter and they kind of just made up half of it where 453 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:34.559 it wasn't true. It was just out of their imagination and it didn't have 454 00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:40.119 to do with the extraordinary things that happened with that case. The real things 455 00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.920 weren't shown. Now, when is this going into production? Jack, Well, 456 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.440 our goal is to start production in the spring, right now, in 457 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:53.760 the pre production phase, getting everything set in As far as in that regard, 458 00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.679 how quick do you think you'll be able to turn this baby around? 459 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.239 I think where our goal is to do it quickly because I know there's timing. 460 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:05.599 You know, the timing aspect of the message is important, and I 461 00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.360 think that, uh, you know, once we get it shot and then 462 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:15.519 get it edited, it's going to be on a pretty fast timetable only because 463 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.840 again it's the importance of the message, and I think that doing telling the 464 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:24.239 story the right way is especially in this particular case, is that it is 465 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:29.079 extremely important because people need to know the truth about what's going on. Yeah, 466 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:30.960 a lot of people are waiting for this, so it's great to hear 467 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:35.039 that you're gonna kind of step this up and get it out as soon as 468 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.079 possible, because of course, like a lot of the stuff we've been talking 469 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:43.280 about, people really want to see that stuff. So Stan, oh sorry, 470 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:45.519 no, I'll go ahead. A our goal is to try to get 471 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.920 it out as many people as a distribution of this, not only domestically but 472 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.239 internationally. We watch higher Wall to see that yeah, yeah, and they're 473 00:36:53.280 --> 00:37:00.639 interested. I mean it proves that when Stan his little stick of one of 474 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.960 his videos got out and it was all over the world, including Larry King 475 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.239 and and then Jeff Peckman, who was involved with showing that still was on 476 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:12.440 David Letterman which was great, and so Stan, you must be pretty excited 477 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.360 about this project. Oh yeah, I'm real excited. And these guys, 478 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.880 you know, I trust these guys implicitly. They know what they're doing. 479 00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:25.679 They're on the same same wavelengths that I'm at. They know the possible dangers 480 00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:30.400 of doing this and what to expect, and we've talked about that. There 481 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.280 is a lot of high strangeness that surrounds this and I've you know, I 482 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.239 mean my family, I've had as as you know, you know, we've 483 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:44.360 had to live this, uh this for years now, and anybody that gets 484 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:49.559 involved, you know, gets to see some of the stuff that happens. 485 00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.800 That's you know, that's one of the things that people need to understand about 486 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.800 my case. It's it's very controversial. There's a lot of people out there 487 00:37:55.800 --> 00:38:00.639 that just refuse to believe anything about this case. But really what makes it 488 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:06.679 stand out is most of the stuff that happens only seems to happen when people 489 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:08.800 are around. You know that that's a really great point. You know, 490 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:12.480 I did a radio show. We've been doing this only in Phoenix for a 491 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.400 few weeks, but been doing the show for over a year, and I 492 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:21.480 had a show where we had witnesses, just people who had experiences with Stan, 493 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:25.000 and we brought witness after witness including you know, PhDs and scientists. 494 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.559 And it seems like you say, everybody who gets involved with this has their 495 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.119 own sort of experience and I don't know, have you had one yet? 496 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:37.880 Jack? We have and that's a wow. Yes, all three of the 497 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:45.199 principles who are involved in the documentary have had experiences unlike any they've ever had 498 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:49.320 before. I mean, it all really revolves around again ods to the phone 499 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:53.360 calls, the voices on the phone, a very interesting scenarios where you're getting 500 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:58.119 phone calls from your own number while you're in your house, right and getting 501 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.440 phone calls from people from their house when they're not in their house. And 502 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:02.480 and it's also you know, again, I know, we don't want to 503 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:06.840 give too much away, but it's so that's exciting said. It's what's being 504 00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.440 said. Yeah, that is that is so important and so profound about this 505 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:14.519 cake. That's cool for me because when I turn investigators onto this case, 506 00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:17.079 I tell them, if you spend enough time with Stan, I mean, 507 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:21.159 it's happened over and over again, a lot of people who hang out with 508 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.360 stand now I knew before stand knew them, and sure enough they even and 509 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:29.199 my cousin you know who I work with. If you spend an amount of 510 00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:35.159 time around stand something weird, you'll be a witness to the experiences that are 511 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:39.400 going on. And that's what's great about this case and why it is so 512 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:45.159 important for people to take a look at all the evidence before you make your 513 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:50.000 decision. That's right, that's a good point. Well, cool Jack, 514 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.000 Thanks for coming on the show. We're really excited about the documentary. I 515 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:59.280 just love showing people different things about this and and it's hard to do when, 516 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.400 first of all, I don't don't have a lot of the the evidence. 517 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.719 You know, Stan has that, so it's hard to do. And 518 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.800 I know Stan loves talking with people on showing people this stuff. And I 519 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:13.320 know Stan, you've been dying to get this information out, huh I have, 520 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:15.239 you know, and it's been you know, there's a lot of disinformation 521 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.920 out there. There's a lot of people. We get threats all the time. 522 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.760 I've been beaten up, I've been shot at, recently shot at a 523 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.159 few months ago. There's a bullet hole in my windshield. There are people 524 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.920 that don't want this out whoever they are. I think things are changing, 525 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.679 and we've had some opposition when it comes to getting the video out, I 526 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.440 mean getting the documentary out. And now I got guys. Really I trust 527 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.800 them and I know they're going to do the right thing and do a good 528 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.400 job. So I'm really excited. Well cool that is. And do you 529 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:51.400 still have things going on around you, like right now, Stan all the 530 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:55.239 time? Oh? You bet, you bet. We just took some pretty 531 00:40:55.239 --> 00:41:00.320 cool pictures and I get to show I get to do a full prison pation 532 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:05.519 up there with you guys in Arizona Sunday, So I get to show a 533 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.199 lot of well actually I'm not gonna say most of this stuff, but a 534 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:13.000 lot of stuff that people don't normally get to see. And I think it'll 535 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.440 get some people shaken in their chairs a little bit. Now you've woken up 536 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:22.880 I mean from your experiences in some kind of strange places before. Oh yeah, 537 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:28.039 are you that I've woken up in other people's clothing. I've woken up 538 00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:31.079 on the roof. I've woken up outside with all the doors locked from the 539 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:37.840 inside, with a broken rib holding some mysterious substance in my hand. You 540 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.559 know, this abduction scenario is a real thing. I mean there's it isn't 541 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.079 anything somebody's making up. This is really going on. And I'm not the 542 00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:51.440 only person this is happening to. I talked to generals, doctors, attorneys, 543 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.239 scientists, you name it. Yeah, we'll be talking to Barbara Land, 544 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:58.920 like I said, a therapist in a couple of weeks to talk more 545 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.599 about this and all of the people that she's talked to. Now we barely 546 00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:07.599 got to scratch the surface. We'll definitely have you on again. Stan Thanks 547 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.320 for being on the show. We're out of time right now, but we'll 548 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.480 have you back. And remember people, you can go see him at the 549 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:20.480 UFO Congress ufocongress dot com, or you can see him in Scotchdale in a 550 00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.320 couple of days, or you can wait for Jack's video. Thanks for being 551 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:27.280 on the show. Guys. Ah, You're welcome. Thank al Andre. 552 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.800 Now, next week we're gonna have Francis Barwood. She was a city council 553 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:37.000 member when the Phoenix lights happened, and she was the one who was taking 554 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.880 all of these hundreds of reports from people, and we'll have her talking about 555 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.599 what happened back then. Since we're in Phoenix, we got to cover to 556 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.079 the Phoenix Lights right, so really excited to talk to her. Join us 557 00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:53.960 next week at noon for Open Minds Radio. Remember visit our website at openminds 558 00:42:54.000 --> 00:43:00.199 dot tv for news and information and information how you can advertise on this excellent 559 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:21.639 show on kfn X Radio. Talk to you next week. Excellent Alien sober 560 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.320 Lego movies, Folks back home