And it hits me. Oh my gosh, this is a triangle. You
know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham Pars incident. It
doesn't involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over
our heads. Classic. He's also really standing into clearing. He turned over
to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes and
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Hello, Welcome to the show, Alejandro, Thank you sir, happy to
be here. Yes, So, what's going on in the UFO world.
Yeah, so there's a lot going on. Of course, probably the biggest
news he's a president talking about UFOs essentially saying he was briefed, he had
a short meeting and he said he doesn't believe in UFOs, but he did
say, when prompted, you know that I'm leaving it up to the navy
pilot. So he's obviously aware that these Navy pilots have had sightings. And
I actually have seen episode four of Unidentified and it goes over some of this,
so we get to see some of you know how at least it came
about out where these guys have gotten to talk to some of the lawmakers in
in DC and important people. In fact, I just interviewed Anthony lap Lapay,
one of the executive producers, and he says, you know, I
can't go into details. He's he's like, I'm absolutely absolutely certain that we
certainly had something to do with this information getting to the president, which is
pretty exciting because they definitely had the information. We're responsible for the information getting
to the Navy causing them to kind of change their stance and take the phenomenon
more seriously that has gotten up now to the president. Um, so it's
it's pretty exciting. I mean, the changes that that that we've gone through
as far as perception of this phenomena is, it's phenomenal, it really is.
And uh and this the part that he said, that's you know,
if there's something to this, you know, he's going to let us know.
That's that's what he says. That's what he says now, and we'll
just watch for that tweet, I guess. Huh, yeah, exactly.
That's what there's a referred to is a big tweet. Oh, they just
told me there's aliens out there, you know, before anyone can stop them.
Yeah, maybe I will see. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean
that briefing got that high. But what is included in that I think would
be pretty interesting. What's up all the details? Yes, that would be
asked to what was shared with him? Yeah, yeah, yep. And
according to Chris Mellon when I had him on um, you know whatever that
was a couple of years ago, that if the president asks for something and
the government knows they have to tell him, you know, they will tell
them no matter, no matter what it is. And he said, you
know, the way around that is to get something out into like the public
I'm sorry, the private sector. To get something into the private sector and
keep it quiet that way, but otherwise suffer, right you know. Yeah,
we've talked to Nick Pope about that. And because of course he worked
for the Ministry of Defense along these lines. And the private sector organizations such
as Big Low or Lockheed or or Boeing, they are not subject to FOYA
or the Freedom of Information Acts, so they don't have to rebuild or congressional
information they have or talk to Congress. YEP, Chris Mellen said, you
know, there are eight Congress people who can request information and get it.
Theoretically, I believe he was talking about the Gang of a Defense Intelligence eight.
So these are essentially the people who run the parties and the Senate and
the House and the intelligence committees. So but he says they haven't really bothered
to ask. And some people may think that's mysterious, but not so much.
I mean, this is politics. There's twofold why people wouldn't want to
ask. One, they trust that, you know, whatever should be getting
done is getting done in those arenas, and they'll be informed should they need
to have information or even you know, if there should be decisions make made
that they think they need to make. And two is that they don't want
to know. If they ask the questions, then they're subject to being asked
by the media what they know or having to address the topic, and many
of them don't want to address the topic. They don't want to be the
the UFO person at you know, on the hills. So that may change
though with more and more information coming out, and I think we will hear
more about individuals. And you know, the other problem I think, you
know, I know you wanted to get into this a bit, and I
guess it would fit at this point is that there are these alleged leak documents
that are out in fact, one of them out there people are proparding as
a smoking gun. I personally don't feel that's the case whatsoever. The problem
with these documents is that, and this is where it relates, is the
individuals cited in those documents, who are high level military officials, have denied
having anything to do with it. They say, no, that's b s.
It's all made up. And I'm sure the conspirator, I'm sorry,
pardon me, but I'm sure the conspiracy of that is being thrown back as
of course he's going to say that, right. Well, But the problem
is then you can't verify whether the documents are real or not or I need
the information in it. So that's the whole point is, you know,
we get these documents, and we've gotten them over the years, but we
haven't been able to verify any of this information. And these documents say varying
different wild stories from something simple to you know, crashed aliens with bodies and
all of this sort of thing. But without verification, it really doesn't service
any good. It certainly isn't a smoking gun. What we need to do
is start to get people on the record. And that's what's exciting about this
time. We are getting people are in the record. We're getting the Navy
on the record. We're getting but not about the list on the record,
but not about record. You know, you have the instance where, for
instance, officials may have information but they'll deny it. What we need to
do is compel them. Uh And Luis Alisando and Chris Mellan and others have
said this that what they need to do is the work to get rid of
the stigma around this bill and then compel these people in the note to share
their information officially on the record. That's the smoking gun. M Yeah,
so yeah, I agree with you. You know, I mean, I
look through the document in the two documents or however many documents or the notes
and all that, and uh, you know, it could be just someone
creative. The MJ twelve letters, a lot of that I think is you
know, kind of along the same line. There's been a lot of very
creative people with too much time in their hands, and this could just be
another case. And even if they're real, without being able to verify that
any of it's real, then there's nothing you can do with it. There's
then all you've got to this piece of paper. So the job is not
I think that some of this stuff is always interesting to look at and it
helps you in your give you leads for research and things to investigate. But
the papers alone don't really give you much unless someone can get some verification for
something on there. And so far there's been zero verification. And like I
said, both of the main players on the document have come forward and said
those conversations never happened. I never looked into those things there bs yeah,
yeah, So what else is happening otherwise? Let's see you want to talk,
Why don't we take a page of Open Minds Thatt TV. Go ahead,
Let's let's talk quickly about your UFO Congress is coming up. Let's let
you give a little plug for that that's coming up in September and that why
don't you talk about some of the guests. I know James Fox just signed
on. He's going to be He's going to be there this Yeah, that
is really exciting. James Fox has not been talking about his project that much.
I think you and I have had some interviews with Lice Biegel, who's
been helping him with a project, and otherwise not a lot of people have
been talking to these guys because they've been pretty hush hush about it. But
I know because of I keep in touch with these guys. In fact,
I've helped them a little bit with the production that not only they've gotten interviews
with everybody you would want them to get interviews with, and the people backing
the document people are going to be shocked when they find out who it was
that put up the money to get to get this documentary done. So we
both know that little secret, don't we. Wow. So it's very exciting
stuff. So James is going to be at the conference and he's going to
be promoting it because he's going to be revealing when his documentary is coming out.
He'll be revealing the name of the documentary, which we still don't know.
At their first idea was seven oh one, representing the seven one hundred
and one unknown cases in the Bluebook files, but that that name turned out
to be too enigmatic, it didn't make sense, so they dumped that name.
And I don't know that they've even settled on a new one yet.
So James Fox is going to be a lot of fun. No, they
settled on a new one. It's called a Lee disclosed it at the last
time he was on a few weeks ago. Oh, it's called the Phenomenon.
I do believe. I'm going to see if I can catch him on
text, but I'm pretty sure that's what it's called now, the phenomenon.
Huh interesting, So there we go. We'll see. But otherwise, well,
of course we'll have George Knapp, who's in the middle of all of
us. He's been breaking the most news regarding all of this. He's been
under attack it it's so crazy. I mean, there are people who are
just so against to the stars and all of this. Some people speculate what
are they paid off because they're just so upset about everything. They've been bashing
George Knapp. But George Knapp is a great journalist. He's just won another
regional Emmy like last week. I mean, this guy has so many awards
it's ridiculous because he's a great journalist. Otherwise, we're gonna have Carolyn Corey.
I think you've had her on your show. Chase Kletzky, who's well
known. Jeremy will be there to share his two films and put him in
the film festival. But he's also going to be sharing some new films that
no one has seen yet, so that's exciting. And then we're going to
have Richard Dolan and his wife Tracy Garbett. And what's exciting about Tracy Ann
and people might not know this about his wife, she actually is a remote
viewer and is trained in this and I think she's even done some classes,
so she's going to be talking about her remote viewing. Otherwise, we're gonna
have other witnesses. We're gonna have Calvin Parker, who was a witness for
the past Goula incident. But more rare, we're gonna have Charlotte Man,
who actually was the granddaughter of a priest related to a Cape Gerardo incident.
So this is a really famous actually one of crash case alleged crash case where
this priest says that he was actually called in to do last rites were these
dead creatures before they buried them? Yeah, So the Woods who are into
crashes at the Ryan and Bob Wood who are researchers into alleged UFO crashes,
this is one of their favorite cases. So you might have read about that
in their work. So she's gonna come and talk about that case in her
work on that. So that's exciting. We'll have Paul Heineck's son. We've
got a lot of stuff. This is a real fun one too. Twee
Snyder another one that you know, you probably haven't seen anywhere else. She's
got a great lecture. She's done a lot of research into the Texas Airship
Mystery of eighteen ninety seven, so essentially there was a UFO flap in eighteen
ninety seven, and she's done a lot of research and she's going to be
showing us the news clippings and all about this really exciting case. Um.
I've heard really great things about her research. That's not that's not the one
that crashed into the windmill and all that. That's the whole different. That's
Aurora Texas. Yeah, that was that was proven a more or less a
hoax, right that particular Well, yeah, it looks like it was.
I mean I think that there's some pretty good evidence that it was April Fool's
Day joke essentially from the right. Yeah, but one more I want to
add. Of course we're gonna have a seventh Day who was a radar operator.
But we also just added Chuck Zukowski. Oh yeah, I want to
plug his television show. He's got a television show, Alien Highway. I
mean, he's a buddy, we go back many, many years. But
he's got this show, Alien Highway on a travel channel. Karen and I
watched it the the other day and they covered Skinwalker. It was a great
show, really good show. I'm so happy for him. It's really cool.
That's great. So UFO Congress dot com is where you can go and
check that out. Great. I don't know if I hear your messages chiming
through. Oh it's it's Karen's okay, no problem, no Facebook, and
she doesn't know how to turn it off. All right. Got our buddies.
Doug of Arizona Shave or Phoenix Shave. He's a good buddy. Of
ours and he's messaging because he's he's super excited about alien Con. So we'll
be at alien Con this weekend. I know Anthony Lapty, executive producer of
Unidentified who I talked about earlier, he'll be there. Of course Georgia with
his wild hair, will be there because alien Con is essentially inspired by I'm
partnered with Ancient Aliens. But yeah, this is a LA, So if
you're an LA, I've got like five or six talks and panels I'm going
to be part of. But we're gonna have a UFO Congress booth out there
as well, so come visit us. Cool, all right, Alla hundred,
thanks so much, all right, thank you, all right, now,
I'll talk to you next week. Cract you later. All right,
have a good one. You can do, all right. Our guest,
our guest tonight is his name is Jay Matthews. I try to remember exactly
how I found him. I think I saw a blog or something or comment
and whatever it was, I thought, well, I'm gonna have to have
this guy on the show. If he'll be on the show. And anyway,
he became curious about UFOs at a young age fourteen or so, when
he had an encounter. We're gonna be talking about that, and he runs
a Facebook page. We're gonna be talking about that as well, and we
will take questions in chat later run and actually phone calls if you'd like to
call in. Jay, Welcome to the show. Hey, thank you for
having me on. Yep, you're gonna have to just sneak up a little
closer to the there you are. Yes, that is better. Yes,
So yeah, thanks for staying up late. I know it's late where right,
And thanks for being on the show. So let's let's talk about what
gets you interested in this topic. You stirred out young around fourteen. You
had actually had an encounter, and I always love hearing encounters that I've never
heard before. So far away if you would. Okay, So, where
I was living in Chester, it's a bit of a hotspot for sightings.
But there was one night, literally a month after I'd lost my father,
and I moved into my father's bedroom, you know, just just for closeness
and whatnot. And we had a big bay window at the back of the
house in the room that I was in, and I can only describe the
light as if when you have a thunderstorm and lightning strikes and illuminates the whole
bedroom. But I was woken up by this bright light literally like you know,
police helicopter had a spotlight over my house. So I went to the
window, didn't have any fear, looked up and I just saw this absolute
blinding light and opened the window to get a better view to look beyond the
eaves, and I couldn't see a shape, There was no noise. It
was just this the brightest white light that I can describe. And heard a
bang behind me. So, being young and kind of jumpy and scaredish,
you know, I jumped and literally turned background and whatever it was was gone,
and went downstairs tom my grandmother about this. She was up early hours
in the morning, and she kind of, you know, dismissed what I
had seen. I didn't know what I had seen at that point, and
you kind of put it to the back of your mind, and you know,
you get on with your everyday life. But several years later, I
had a friend that lived literally about two streets away, and you know UFOs,
But then it wasn't something you talked about with at school with your friends,
and being my best friend, he was the only one that I had
really sort of confided in about what I'd seen because it was weird. And
I think it was a year maybe two years later he came to me and
he said, that night that you saw that light, I saw this huge
triangular ship object that was over your house at low descent. He said it
was noiseless, and you know that was That was kind of enough confirmation for
me. But wow, that yeah, it cured me interest. And obviously
there was no internet. But then, about what year would you say that
was? I would say that was It had been about nineteen ninety four.
I was born in nineteen eighty, so it was when I was fourteen,
So good time away. But it literally every night after that, you know,
I think I borrowed the neighbor's binoculars and I'd stay up looking out the
windows and just curious to see, you know, if whatever it was that
I did see would reappear at some point. You know, curiosity got me
so outside. Now when your friend, when you talk to your friend,
did you say that he could actually see the outline of the craft were their
lights or how did he know that it was actually a triangle? Yeah,
he said he could see his shape and there was a light emanating from the
bottom. There was literally over the house. Wow, so like illuminating your
whole house? Yeah, yeah, literally. I asked the neighbors thereafter if
they saw anything, and he even sort of, you know, sort to
rationalize the conversation, said, you know, was the police helicopter out last
night? You know, were they searching for someone that was lost? Um,
whether the neighbors saw or anything or not. You know, I still
don't know to this day. But to have a friend come back to me
and say, you know, he saw something. And this again, this
was way before the stuff with the tr three D was out there. It
was way before YouTube and you know, the internet. So yeah, you
know that's huge. Yeah, Internet was in the infancy back then. And
so um and what did you what did they do for you? Do that
that spark your interest right away? Or did it take a while before you
start looking into it? Yeah, it took a while. Initially scared me.
Did you think you were being you would being like chosen or you know,
I mean like searched after I mean, why was it over your house
the type of thing and not someone else's? Is that is that one of
some of the things going through your mind. Yeah, yeah, there was
a lot of fair and at the time X Files was big on television.
Oh yeah, you know that that just saw I hit the UK and you
know, you start watching that, you know, your mind over thinks and
you kind about two and two and come what we had? Right right?
Um, we are actually right at the first break right now, so we're
gonna head head right into a break. So hanging there, all right,
everyone, This is Martin Willis my guest from the UK is Jay Matthews.
All right, so Jay, we're still alive on YouTube and I'm going to
just jump over quickly see if there's any questions. But can you right now,
before I look to see if there's any questions, can you tell us
where exactly in the UK do you live at the moment? I live in
North Wales literally chest there and Buckley, where I live is right on the
border, so I literally lived just over the English border, in the enemy
territory as the Welsh would say. But now I've talked to other people from
the UK and they said there's not a lot of sightings in general there because
of the weather, you know, I mean, is that so? Or
do you do get a lot of reports. Yeah, yeah, we do.
Literally just speaking to the guys from Swansea Swansea uf Network, they were
up here at the weekend and to my surprise, they've actually interviewed a couple
of key witness is that I've seen things I believe, so Walny's ex military
that is local to me. So, you know, I like to think
that I'm the only crap pop around here. But you know, it's reassuring
when you hear other people telling their story. But well, one of the
things I pardon me, and one of the things I wanted to do is
talk to you about UFO cases and just one or two, you know in
the UK basically because there's you know, there's some good ones. What about
warmstr How far away are you from there? And it's probably it's probably about
a good three hundred miles away from where I live. Now. Do you
hear a lot of I mean, do you follow a lot of the UK
cases over the years, like the Warminster what do they call it? That
had a nickname, the Warminsters something thing, It was called the Thing.
Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. There's a good friend of mine, Steve
Wills, really good researcher from down that way. I follow his work.
They've actually you know, it seems to be quite a hot spot for sightings.
Yeah, there's been some really good documented cases down there. But saying
that, you know, where I am in Wales, there's a lot of
ancient sites. There's a lot of lay lines around, which is something I've
done a bit of research intee and you know, literally every player night i'm
out the back, we have have low light pollution. I actually overlook a
mountain, the same mountain it's a hill shy eighty feet of being a mountain
called Malvami, which has actually been it's been the location for a lot of
sightings recently, or at least since I've moved into this area. You know,
weird ops, there's there's been weird lights. There's a chap called Graham
Evans who lives in Denby, which is literally eight to ten miles away.
He's got some incredible footage over the mountain ranges over there. So I'd say
the area as a whole is very active at the moment, and probably has
been since before I started doing this. We're going to be going back here
in just about twenty seconds, all right, Welcome back. This is Martin
Willis. My guest is Jay Matthews from over in North Wales and welcome back
to the show. So we were talking during the break. We're talking geographically
where you located. I know, just before the break we weren't talking about
that at all. Usually write it down where we're talking about. I think
we were talking about the triangle you know over your your house and uh yeah
and all that. But location wise, that's where we were talking about during
the break. So it looks to me on the map that you're you're in
North Wales anywhere near the snow Denia National Park. Yeah, literally say as
the crow flies about fifty fifty miles away. Yeah, yeah, my family's
from my families from Whales. I've never been there, but I planned it.
It's on my bucket list, so to speak. I gotta get out
there. Um. But anyway, so it looks like you're in that case,
it looks like you're about three hundred miles or so. Also from the
Red Rendelssom Forest area. Is that a case that you have ever inspired me
you looked into. Yeah, in fact, it's probably one the first,
Yeah, I'd say, along with the birdwin Ufo incidents. It was probably
one of the first documented cases that I looked into. Obviously, there's so
much evidence around in that case, and it's actually still ongoing now with I
believe there's a new documentary coming out soon which is going to shed some light
on the situation. But you know, obviously Wrendellshim I think happened in nineteen
eighty, which was the era was born Berwin Ufo crash happening seventy four,
which is literally a stone's throw away from where I live now. So you
know, when you when you start out, you know, obviously reading books
back then, you had the main cases, you had your Rolls Wells,
you know some some some of the more mainstream ufolks sightings or incidents, if
you will, and you know it, you start reading about these other cases
which you know you've been publicized but maybe not talked about in the same sort
of way as you know your Rosewells and whatnot. But it's you just go
deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole. The Rendelship thing, I I don't
think it was the lighthouse. I know that's been reported and you know it's
out there. I've also got friends that have been to the forest there and
again looking into the lay lines thing, there's lay lines actually run straight through
Rendelship and there's still act there's still activity going on to their stay. Yeah,
a lot of people are talking about that. There's there's a lot of
a lot of weird things going on there, not just UFOs, you know,
people are talking about entities and entities and everything else. Um. Someone
just banter just posted in the chat room that if you look at the unidentified
latest episodes they have they have this the last episode, that is, they
have a chart where they pinned hot spots and one of them is in North
Wales. Um, I consider that my hot spot up there where you're at.
But that's reassuring. Yeah. Um, so we can talk a little
bit about have you watched any of those shows? Oh, they're not they're
not over there. Are they in the UK? They're not as yet on
History UK, but it happens. We've seen the first three episodes, which
have been put up on various websites. But yeah, it's it's it's interesting
stuff. I was really excited with the whole t Tsay announcement. Yeah,
I know. Currently there's some documents to suggest that alazonbo wasn't in charge of
ATAM. But that doesn't for me, doesn't take away the thought that those
three videos were confirmed to BEDD. Yeah, and we don't know for sure,
you know, as far as the documents go, and I know what
you're talking about, and as far as you know, the research that John
Greenwald has been doing and the communication he's been getting, you know, right
from the Pentagon spokesperson, We don't. We don't know one hundred percent sure.
There's no way of telling if this person either does or does not know
for sure, um or you know, may find out later. It's possible.
So I wouldn't give one percent for sure either way, you know.
And uh, you know, I had Lou Alzondo on this show, um
just you know, on a YouTube stream as well, and that went out,
that went out to the podcast on my supporters podcast. But I did
I did want to say, you know, I met Lou in person and
I talked to him. He's very very a cool guy. You just got
to say when you meet him, you're saying, this guy is just a
plain cool guys. He's very interesting and you know, I'm in the fine
arts and antiques and I started talking to him about he asked me, you
know what I did for my real, real job type of thing. And
so it was like I opened up a door because he and I were talking
about he was asking me about things that he collects, and he was telling
me all these great things that he collects. He's quite a collector. And
so I started thinking about this whole thing. And you know, I'm trying
not to be conspiratorial in any type of way. I always trying to look
at things a little level headed. But I was thinking the other day,
I was driving somewhere and I was just thinking, you know, if there
was someone that the government would want to muddy the water with, you know,
put some diffs information out there, it would be a guy just like
him, someone that's gets along with everyone. Everyone wants to talk to him.
He's really great. Now, I'm not saying that is the situation at
all. I'm just saying that he would be the type of person, as
he is so believable and gets along so well with just about anyone he talks
with, he would be exactly the type of person that would be out there
giving misinformation. And I'm not saying that's what's happening at all. I think
only time will tell. I like John Greenwald a lot. He's a great
guy. I think he's trying to figure out what's going on. But I
also think that it's very possible that Alexando is one hundred percent legit. He
really, I'm telling you. It makes you feel that way when you talk
to him, and and there's a lot of things that point in that direction.
So do I dare say that I'm on the fence about it. I
guess that's as close as I can get to, you know, everything I
just said, it's just my thoughts on the whole topic. I really don't
know, and I think time will tell. You know, in the UFO
community has been fooled before. You know, there's Bill Moore, There's Richardote.
There's a lot of different examples. And by the way, Richardote is
coming up in August on this show at some point. Some Dan, I'm
not sure if you've ever heard of the Benoits case and all that, and
who Richardote is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. So
anyway, I'm sorry I went on quite a ramble there, But what is
your general thought? Are you just as well? Kind of looking at everything
people are posting, there's A. It's a very active situation where people have
an opinion on this subject, that's for sure. TTSA all that. Yeah,
And I saw a sweet that DeLonge put out the other day about an
episode of Unidentified where you supposedly got intel from Italy about the UFOs up in
a helicopter. I saw that too, Yeah, yeah, that was interesting.
Now, you know, the conspiracy minded people will say, you know,
it's the evil Aliens agenda. You know, they're being for funding maybe
from more weapons what with Trump's space force, you know, being talked about.
But I think we've all got to see how it plays out. My
feeling on Alsondo is if he is lying, and say John Greenwald is right,
then surely Chris Mellon will be lying. All these guys like how put
off Steve Justice that are all involved with him. You wouldn't get into bed
with someone who's necessarily trying to pull the wool over your eyes. Now,
I think that's a very good point. Yeah. And and also Grant Cameron
is a fantastic researcher that I follow, and when he's obviously he's very into
the presidential UFO stuff, but he talks about this plausible deniability where you put
a story out and you put some facts in it, you put some lies
in it. And most of the time, if they if this thing goes
too far, it's like a baby on range. You have those rains to
rain that child back in. And from my own understanding and what I've seen,
I think there are people in the US government that want this out,
and I also think there are people that I don't know for what reasons,
still want to cover this up. So perhaps that's a reason for you know,
all the stuff with Elazondo, because I saw a clip I think it
was on CNN in America where he I think the guy on the US asked
him about recovered space flight right, and he seemed to say yes, but
he was bound by his secrecy agreement and he couldn't go any further. And
discussing that, well, he basically said yes without saying yes. Yeah,
yeah he did. That's what I saw, which which I thought was a
huge statement. Yes, yeah, and uh that is that is shocking up.
Alejandro, who was just on with the news ahead of time, UM
thought that was the most shocking part of the interview that he did with him.
Um. He sort of answered him the same way, you know,
like, um, you know, not really a denial and um, you
know you can gather what you want from it, but it's almost a way
of saying yes without saying yes. Yeah, yeah, you know, but
you know, it's it's interesting, you know, like many back in December
of twenty seventeen when their story broke, yeah, and we had the New
York Times posts. You know, obviously for guys like myself that research this,
the ridicule your face, The way the UFL subjects is perceived by a
lot of these media agencies literally changed overnight. It Yeah, you know,
it was. It was crazy from a UK point of view to see you
know, BBC, ITV, Sky News all reported this in a serious way.
And I'm not kind of with a smirk on the face as they're reading
this out or the yeah or the music you know, the scary music in
the background or yeah, or the X Files music. Um, yeah,
you know. I received an email recently from the summer from the UK and
they were saying that the UK, I mean, the UFO topic in the
UK. I don't know exactly where I'm going to try to pull it up.
Um, you know, perhaps when we go to our next break.
But they were just basically saying that the the UFO topic and wherever they are
in the UK right now is poison. They can't talk about it, there's
death threats and everything else. That it was a crazy email, but it
was actually from a known person in the UFO field. So I was kind
of shocked to actually see that. Um, do you see any of any
of that or again, you know you're talking about the more credible reports on
the news and stuff like that. Are you seeing a shift in h and
where you're at as well? Yeah, I've seen a lot of this on
social media and literallyn the last the last two years. Why some of my
friends that I surmise a very good race chers have been attacked and almost in
a witch hunt kind of way, is it's crazy And these people are my
seniors. These are people that have been doing this far longer than what I
have. And I don't know if it's a distraction or it's a distract from
all the stuff that is actually going on that is credible in the UK,
or you know, there's a there's a few bad apples and you know it's
it's it's crazy. But yeah, I see that a lot and it's draining,
especially when you're as you just said, you know, I try and
sit on the fence. I don't try and pick a side. You look
at the fact, you look at what is put out there, and you've
got a group of friends that are for this, and then you've got a
group of friends that are against this, all coming call on the middle.
Um, it's it's almost I've had the situation where I've been forced to pick
aside, and because I refuse to pick aside, I'm then deemed as Bob
as the person you know what I mean. Yeah, No, it's a
I see the divide, you know, I see as you mentioned, I
see the divide on the social media, the rants and stuff like that,
and I just decided not to really get into it. I just glanced now
and then. But I'm not gonna get into any of the debates, any
of that that part of it. But it's definitely a divide. It seems
like, you know, we're divided in politics here in the US, and
there's a divide now in the UFO field and uh and as far as the
TTSA, you know, there's um, there's also a lot of opinions out
there about that that are you know, kind of conspiratorial, um, you
know, like it's a whole government thing. I've heard that before. I've
heard a lot of people talk about that now and I don't know, I
can't say it definitely is. But you make a really good point about would
would Chris Mellon would help put off and all these other Steve Justice and all
this get into bed with the you know, something that was deviant and I
don't think so. Yeah, especially you know, especially giving Chris Mellon's credentials.
Yeah, you know, it's his family. He's deep rooted in America
and obviously in the oil business and and and what else and obviously his position
yeah, in governments. So when you start adding these things together, it's
it doesn't make a great deal of sense. Um. I think from from
my personal opinion, I don't think they're playing to the rules. Perhaps they're
going, you know, running a stream at the moment t TSA and I
mentioned in perhaps some things that they shouldn't. You know, we all know
about these these alloyes and recovered meta materials which have allegedly gone to Big Low
Aerospace. You know, I find that deeply interested, especially with the release
obviously the skin Walker film, which came out the end of twards the end
of last year. Well, you know, skin Walker supposedly is you know,
the whole genesis for any of this happening, you know, which is
right from the very beginning. You know. You you talked about Time Delong's
tweet just a minute ago about the helicopter shooting down and UFO or the other
way around, the UFO shooting down a helicopter. I can't remember what it
is. Yeah, but anyway, I think what's really interesting about the tweet
is he took it down after And I don't know why he took it down,
but I would guess if I had to guess, I would say that
it's probably the History Channel told him to take it down because they're really being
very guarded on every episode before it's released, So I imagine that's probably what
happened. But just the fact that he put it up and then he took
it down, I think that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, obviously now he've
got screen captures and screenshots, so yeah, that's right. I have it
somewhere out Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know you talked about Chris Mellan.
Now he was on this show, he was interviewed by Leslie Kane.
I immediately called Leslie and said, hey, anyway I can get Chris on
the show. He agreed, and I actually had him on the show.
It's a very rare interview. He's you can check him out on my YouTube
channel. So I had a really nice and interesting interview with him, and
and he and then I I told him. He asked me if if I
thought there was any other show, and I said, you know, you
want to get on Coast to Coast. I know George Knapp and so I
connected them too. He went on Coast to Coast. So those those were
the only two interviews he had done for a long time, and now he's
on you know, mainstream interviews at this point. But what I find really
interesting I have never said this on this show at all, but I find
it very interesting that Chris had been in touch. We were emailing and talking
a bit after the interview, and then as soon as he joined to the
Stars he never communicated with me again. He's never returned an email. I
think it's strange. I have no idea exactly why, you know, and
it's perhaps the publicist for TTSA to the Stars Academy and Science. I just
don't know if that's the deal, and I know that it's up. I
can't remember her name begins with a K. It's actually Tom DeLong sisters running
a publicity. Okay, so it's not Karen at something like that, but
Kara or go ahead? Didn't the same thing happen on Fade to Black with
Jimmy's Church. I remember, I forget who was interviewing, but he seemed
to say on this interview that he'd reached out to t TSA and Tom DeLong
and Alasondo when they said it wasn't the right time for them to come back
on the show. Yeah, yeah, so this is yeah, go ahead.
I was going to say, you know, obviously there was the bad
interview on the Joe Rogan podcast. There was a mistake. Yeah yeah,
that was a huge mistake. You know, I actually know Joe Rogan and
wow, yeah, yeah, he's an out there guy. But I personally,
I think he'd already sort of made his mind up to pick holes in
what Tom was saying beforehand. But then Tom didn't do himself any favors with
some of the footage. Then, Um, yeah, it just wasn't that
it didn't do TTSA a lot of favors. Yes, yeah, I agree.
And another thing that this is something also I've never said before either.
Um, but just reflecting on the TTSA since they've been active, is going
back to the publicists. I don't think, uh, there's been a I
think a lot of the conspiracies are born from um being kind of elusive or
not available and and all that, and people are just questioning that. And
when the government does something like that, you know, uh, then we
say there's aliens, you know, So conspiracy always happens. But um,
um not saying that she's not doing a good job. But you know,
perhaps instead of Tom DeLong sister being a publicist, maybe it would have been,
or still could be a better idea to get a publicist in there that
has dealt with the sensitive issues and has experience in this, you know,
just playing experience, but experience in this type of situation, and perhaps they
could have a little bit better of a public image. Maybe they don't want
one. I don't know what their situation is. Yeah. The only thing
that I find strange about the whole TTSA thing, And again I was listening
to fates of Miche with Jimmy Church, where Tom DeLong mentioned that he was
authoring the autobiography of Bobbler's Are now obviously with Jeremy Corbell's film coming out,
you know Bobbler's Are and flying to sources area fifty one. I perhaps it's
still yet to come, but it's almost like with the two thousand and four
Limits film, that's when they're acknowledging UFOs kind of exists. I'm kind of
dismissing obviously, you know, decades and decades of the sightings before, so
as pertains to the meta material that is alleged is a big low air of
space. How does that fit in with obviously Bob Lazar and the reverse engineering
and obviously ask for Yeah, I've talked many times and I get email every
time I do about this is Bob Lazar is another one I'm on the fence
about. Yeah, Yeah, I mean, it's just it's a tricky one
and it is it is And just when if someone well to use the I
don't know if I should say the word lie. But if someone is just
well doesn't tell exactly the truth about one thing, doesn't mean that their whole
story is bogus um, that's I guess, um, something to think about.
And I don't don't know, I don't know. The thing I found
interesting with the bubblizar was I think it was George Nap. They bought it
off that he was facing a felony for his involvements in setting up a brothel,
yes in America, and how you know, the prosecution could do the
background checks on him and they were kind of paid off with him and he
was looking at doing some time, you know, in prison, and his
story didn't change. And for me, that would be the point where you'd
find holes in the story. So, m, I see what you're seeing
interesting? Yeah, you know that that would be the time that you kind
of kep come clean, you know, I'm just putting out Yeah, yeah,
no, no, it's it's it's interesting. I'd never another thing that
I had never actually thought of and in a very good point. That's it
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