1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,200 And it hits me. Oh my gosh, this is a triangle. You 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,960 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham Pars incident. It 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,960 doesn't involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,719 our heads. Classic. He's also really standing into clearing. He turned over 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,199 to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes and 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:28,160 said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live show. 7 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:32,719 During the show, feel free to participate live in our chat room, and 8 00:00:32,799 --> 00:00:37,320 don't forget to like us on our very active Facebook page. Hello, and 9 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:41,000 welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your host, and I think 10 00:00:41,039 --> 00:00:45,399 everything's working. I can't believe it. Wow. Last week I thought it 11 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:51,079 was just me. YouTube was not working, and then I found out Richard 12 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:56,520 Dolan couldn't get on also he couldn't stream, and it was happening to everyone. 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,520 Well, now it's working, hooray, and we have an interesting show. 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,599 I'd like to do as you people that have followed me for the last 15 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,159 eight years that I've been doing this show, I like to do shows with 16 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:12,560 people that are not known that they're not on a lot of shows. Actually 17 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,400 this is this gentleman's first show, and told him not to be nervous, 18 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,400 and I'd just like to get different takes on this subject. He is someone 19 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:29,400 very interested in this topic. He's in the UK and he's staying up late 20 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:32,480 for us, and I do want to thank everyone that supports the show. 21 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:36,640 Anyone can do that. You can jump over to podcast ufo dot com see 22 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,200 all that information there. There's plenty of blogs. We don't have a new 23 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,120 blog this week, but we usually do. They'll be back next week as 24 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:46,439 plenty of blogs to read. Also, you can check out our Facebook page 25 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:52,079 and our guest is Jay Matthews. Again, he's in the UK. He's 26 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:57,599 got a great Facebook page about UFOs and the UK, and we're gonna be 27 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,799 talking about that and how we got into it and all that stuff. But 28 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:06,879 for now we have mister Rojas that just made it. Hello, Hello, 29 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:12,759 Hello, Welcome to the show, Alejandro, Thank you sir, happy to 30 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,759 be here. Yes, So, what's going on in the UFO world. 31 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:22,400 Yeah, so there's a lot going on. Of course, probably the biggest 32 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:27,159 news he's a president talking about UFOs essentially saying he was briefed, he had 33 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:32,080 a short meeting and he said he doesn't believe in UFOs, but he did 34 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:37,479 say, when prompted, you know that I'm leaving it up to the navy 35 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:43,919 pilot. So he's obviously aware that these Navy pilots have had sightings. And 36 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:53,479 I actually have seen episode four of Unidentified and it goes over some of this, 37 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:59,680 so we get to see some of you know how at least it came 38 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,719 about out where these guys have gotten to talk to some of the lawmakers in 39 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:09,400 in DC and important people. In fact, I just interviewed Anthony lap Lapay, 40 00:03:09,719 --> 00:03:14,000 one of the executive producers, and he says, you know, I 41 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,680 can't go into details. He's he's like, I'm absolutely absolutely certain that we 42 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,840 certainly had something to do with this information getting to the president, which is 43 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,639 pretty exciting because they definitely had the information. We're responsible for the information getting 44 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,800 to the Navy causing them to kind of change their stance and take the phenomenon 45 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:38,639 more seriously that has gotten up now to the president. Um, so it's 46 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:45,319 it's pretty exciting. I mean, the changes that that that we've gone through 47 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,479 as far as perception of this phenomena is, it's phenomenal, it really is. 48 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,759 And uh and this the part that he said, that's you know, 49 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,560 if there's something to this, you know, he's going to let us know. 50 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,719 That's that's what he says. That's what he says now, and we'll 51 00:04:01,759 --> 00:04:05,319 just watch for that tweet, I guess. Huh, yeah, exactly. 52 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,159 That's what there's a referred to is a big tweet. Oh, they just 53 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,560 told me there's aliens out there, you know, before anyone can stop them. 54 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,639 Yeah, maybe I will see. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean 55 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:25,480 that briefing got that high. But what is included in that I think would 56 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:31,240 be pretty interesting. What's up all the details? Yes, that would be 57 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,879 asked to what was shared with him? Yeah, yeah, yep. And 58 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:41,639 according to Chris Mellon when I had him on um, you know whatever that 59 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:46,439 was a couple of years ago, that if the president asks for something and 60 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:49,000 the government knows they have to tell him, you know, they will tell 61 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:51,680 them no matter, no matter what it is. And he said, you 62 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:57,560 know, the way around that is to get something out into like the public 63 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,079 I'm sorry, the private sector. To get something into the private sector and 64 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,120 keep it quiet that way, but otherwise suffer, right you know. Yeah, 65 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:10,120 we've talked to Nick Pope about that. And because of course he worked 66 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:16,199 for the Ministry of Defense along these lines. And the private sector organizations such 67 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:21,839 as Big Low or Lockheed or or Boeing, they are not subject to FOYA 68 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,959 or the Freedom of Information Acts, so they don't have to rebuild or congressional 69 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:30,439 information they have or talk to Congress. YEP, Chris Mellen said, you 70 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:36,040 know, there are eight Congress people who can request information and get it. 71 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:43,560 Theoretically, I believe he was talking about the Gang of a Defense Intelligence eight. 72 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,839 So these are essentially the people who run the parties and the Senate and 73 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:54,000 the House and the intelligence committees. So but he says they haven't really bothered 74 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,040 to ask. And some people may think that's mysterious, but not so much. 75 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,680 I mean, this is politics. There's twofold why people wouldn't want to 76 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,639 ask. One, they trust that, you know, whatever should be getting 77 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,720 done is getting done in those arenas, and they'll be informed should they need 78 00:06:10,759 --> 00:06:15,360 to have information or even you know, if there should be decisions make made 79 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,480 that they think they need to make. And two is that they don't want 80 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,519 to know. If they ask the questions, then they're subject to being asked 81 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:28,800 by the media what they know or having to address the topic, and many 82 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:30,560 of them don't want to address the topic. They don't want to be the 83 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:36,959 the UFO person at you know, on the hills. So that may change 84 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,839 though with more and more information coming out, and I think we will hear 85 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:49,360 more about individuals. And you know, the other problem I think, you 86 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:51,519 know, I know you wanted to get into this a bit, and I 87 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:57,519 guess it would fit at this point is that there are these alleged leak documents 88 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:00,439 that are out in fact, one of them out there people are proparding as 89 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,480 a smoking gun. I personally don't feel that's the case whatsoever. The problem 90 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,720 with these documents is that, and this is where it relates, is the 91 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,959 individuals cited in those documents, who are high level military officials, have denied 92 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,680 having anything to do with it. They say, no, that's b s. 93 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:21,839 It's all made up. And I'm sure the conspirator, I'm sorry, 94 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,399 pardon me, but I'm sure the conspiracy of that is being thrown back as 95 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,480 of course he's going to say that, right. Well, But the problem 96 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:33,839 is then you can't verify whether the documents are real or not or I need 97 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:39,519 the information in it. So that's the whole point is, you know, 98 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:45,839 we get these documents, and we've gotten them over the years, but we 99 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:49,279 haven't been able to verify any of this information. And these documents say varying 100 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:56,399 different wild stories from something simple to you know, crashed aliens with bodies and 101 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,959 all of this sort of thing. But without verification, it really doesn't service 102 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,519 any good. It certainly isn't a smoking gun. What we need to do 103 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,000 is start to get people on the record. And that's what's exciting about this 104 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,720 time. We are getting people are in the record. We're getting the Navy 105 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:13,600 on the record. We're getting but not about the list on the record, 106 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,519 but not about record. You know, you have the instance where, for 107 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,360 instance, officials may have information but they'll deny it. What we need to 108 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,800 do is compel them. Uh And Luis Alisando and Chris Mellan and others have 109 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:33,399 said this that what they need to do is the work to get rid of 110 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:39,600 the stigma around this bill and then compel these people in the note to share 111 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:46,639 their information officially on the record. That's the smoking gun. M Yeah, 112 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:50,120 so yeah, I agree with you. You know, I mean, I 113 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,679 look through the document in the two documents or however many documents or the notes 114 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,879 and all that, and uh, you know, it could be just someone 115 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:01,799 creative. The MJ twelve letters, a lot of that I think is you 116 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,200 know, kind of along the same line. There's been a lot of very 117 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,600 creative people with too much time in their hands, and this could just be 118 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,720 another case. And even if they're real, without being able to verify that 119 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:18,360 any of it's real, then there's nothing you can do with it. There's 120 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:22,399 then all you've got to this piece of paper. So the job is not 121 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,279 I think that some of this stuff is always interesting to look at and it 122 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:31,559 helps you in your give you leads for research and things to investigate. But 123 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:37,360 the papers alone don't really give you much unless someone can get some verification for 124 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,279 something on there. And so far there's been zero verification. And like I 125 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,279 said, both of the main players on the document have come forward and said 126 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:52,279 those conversations never happened. I never looked into those things there bs yeah, 127 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:58,960 yeah, So what else is happening otherwise? Let's see you want to talk, 128 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,559 Why don't we take a page of Open Minds Thatt TV. Go ahead, 129 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:09,320 Let's let's talk quickly about your UFO Congress is coming up. Let's let 130 00:10:09,399 --> 00:10:15,080 you give a little plug for that that's coming up in September and that why 131 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,960 don't you talk about some of the guests. I know James Fox just signed 132 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,440 on. He's going to be He's going to be there this Yeah, that 133 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:26,720 is really exciting. James Fox has not been talking about his project that much. 134 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:30,039 I think you and I have had some interviews with Lice Biegel, who's 135 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,679 been helping him with a project, and otherwise not a lot of people have 136 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,919 been talking to these guys because they've been pretty hush hush about it. But 137 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,159 I know because of I keep in touch with these guys. In fact, 138 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,240 I've helped them a little bit with the production that not only they've gotten interviews 139 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:50,879 with everybody you would want them to get interviews with, and the people backing 140 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:56,039 the document people are going to be shocked when they find out who it was 141 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,399 that put up the money to get to get this documentary done. So we 142 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:03,080 both know that little secret, don't we. Wow. So it's very exciting 143 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,799 stuff. So James is going to be at the conference and he's going to 144 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:11,519 be promoting it because he's going to be revealing when his documentary is coming out. 145 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,159 He'll be revealing the name of the documentary, which we still don't know. 146 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:20,000 At their first idea was seven oh one, representing the seven one hundred 147 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:26,039 and one unknown cases in the Bluebook files, but that that name turned out 148 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,200 to be too enigmatic, it didn't make sense, so they dumped that name. 149 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:33,440 And I don't know that they've even settled on a new one yet. 150 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,000 So James Fox is going to be a lot of fun. No, they 151 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:41,000 settled on a new one. It's called a Lee disclosed it at the last 152 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,279 time he was on a few weeks ago. Oh, it's called the Phenomenon. 153 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,159 I do believe. I'm going to see if I can catch him on 154 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,879 text, but I'm pretty sure that's what it's called now, the phenomenon. 155 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:56,720 Huh interesting, So there we go. We'll see. But otherwise, well, 156 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:00,679 of course we'll have George Knapp, who's in the middle of all of 157 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:05,039 us. He's been breaking the most news regarding all of this. He's been 158 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,639 under attack it it's so crazy. I mean, there are people who are 159 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,559 just so against to the stars and all of this. Some people speculate what 160 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:16,840 are they paid off because they're just so upset about everything. They've been bashing 161 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,600 George Knapp. But George Knapp is a great journalist. He's just won another 162 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,759 regional Emmy like last week. I mean, this guy has so many awards 163 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:30,440 it's ridiculous because he's a great journalist. Otherwise, we're gonna have Carolyn Corey. 164 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:33,159 I think you've had her on your show. Chase Kletzky, who's well 165 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:39,000 known. Jeremy will be there to share his two films and put him in 166 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:41,840 the film festival. But he's also going to be sharing some new films that 167 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:45,840 no one has seen yet, so that's exciting. And then we're going to 168 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:52,000 have Richard Dolan and his wife Tracy Garbett. And what's exciting about Tracy Ann 169 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,639 and people might not know this about his wife, she actually is a remote 170 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,320 viewer and is trained in this and I think she's even done some classes, 171 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:03,200 so she's going to be talking about her remote viewing. Otherwise, we're gonna 172 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,919 have other witnesses. We're gonna have Calvin Parker, who was a witness for 173 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:11,159 the past Goula incident. But more rare, we're gonna have Charlotte Man, 174 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:18,519 who actually was the granddaughter of a priest related to a Cape Gerardo incident. 175 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:24,159 So this is a really famous actually one of crash case alleged crash case where 176 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,799 this priest says that he was actually called in to do last rites were these 177 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,679 dead creatures before they buried them? Yeah, So the Woods who are into 178 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:41,759 crashes at the Ryan and Bob Wood who are researchers into alleged UFO crashes, 179 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:45,240 this is one of their favorite cases. So you might have read about that 180 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,639 in their work. So she's gonna come and talk about that case in her 181 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,159 work on that. So that's exciting. We'll have Paul Heineck's son. We've 182 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,519 got a lot of stuff. This is a real fun one too. Twee 183 00:13:54,559 --> 00:14:00,360 Snyder another one that you know, you probably haven't seen anywhere else. She's 184 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,039 got a great lecture. She's done a lot of research into the Texas Airship 185 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,679 Mystery of eighteen ninety seven, so essentially there was a UFO flap in eighteen 186 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:11,600 ninety seven, and she's done a lot of research and she's going to be 187 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:16,960 showing us the news clippings and all about this really exciting case. Um. 188 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,039 I've heard really great things about her research. That's not that's not the one 189 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,000 that crashed into the windmill and all that. That's the whole different. That's 190 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,440 Aurora Texas. Yeah, that was that was proven a more or less a 191 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,039 hoax, right that particular Well, yeah, it looks like it was. 192 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,639 I mean I think that there's some pretty good evidence that it was April Fool's 193 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:41,519 Day joke essentially from the right. Yeah, but one more I want to 194 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:43,759 add. Of course we're gonna have a seventh Day who was a radar operator. 195 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,200 But we also just added Chuck Zukowski. Oh yeah, I want to 196 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,080 plug his television show. He's got a television show, Alien Highway. I 197 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,879 mean, he's a buddy, we go back many, many years. But 198 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:58,320 he's got this show, Alien Highway on a travel channel. Karen and I 199 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,600 watched it the the other day and they covered Skinwalker. It was a great 200 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:07,039 show, really good show. I'm so happy for him. It's really cool. 201 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,159 That's great. So UFO Congress dot com is where you can go and 202 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,159 check that out. Great. I don't know if I hear your messages chiming 203 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,960 through. Oh it's it's Karen's okay, no problem, no Facebook, and 204 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:20,600 she doesn't know how to turn it off. All right. Got our buddies. 205 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:26,039 Doug of Arizona Shave or Phoenix Shave. He's a good buddy. Of 206 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:31,600 ours and he's messaging because he's he's super excited about alien Con. So we'll 207 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:37,000 be at alien Con this weekend. I know Anthony Lapty, executive producer of 208 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,000 Unidentified who I talked about earlier, he'll be there. Of course Georgia with 209 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:43,720 his wild hair, will be there because alien Con is essentially inspired by I'm 210 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:48,639 partnered with Ancient Aliens. But yeah, this is a LA, So if 211 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:52,000 you're an LA, I've got like five or six talks and panels I'm going 212 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:54,480 to be part of. But we're gonna have a UFO Congress booth out there 213 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,679 as well, so come visit us. Cool, all right, Alla hundred, 214 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,240 thanks so much, all right, thank you, all right, now, 215 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,799 I'll talk to you next week. Cract you later. All right, 216 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:06,679 have a good one. You can do, all right. Our guest, 217 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:14,000 our guest tonight is his name is Jay Matthews. I try to remember exactly 218 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,600 how I found him. I think I saw a blog or something or comment 219 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:22,840 and whatever it was, I thought, well, I'm gonna have to have 220 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,279 this guy on the show. If he'll be on the show. And anyway, 221 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,799 he became curious about UFOs at a young age fourteen or so, when 222 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,840 he had an encounter. We're gonna be talking about that, and he runs 223 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,960 a Facebook page. We're gonna be talking about that as well, and we 224 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,600 will take questions in chat later run and actually phone calls if you'd like to 225 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:47,960 call in. Jay, Welcome to the show. Hey, thank you for 226 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,000 having me on. Yep, you're gonna have to just sneak up a little 227 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:56,320 closer to the there you are. Yes, that is better. Yes, 228 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,279 So yeah, thanks for staying up late. I know it's late where right, 229 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,480 And thanks for being on the show. So let's let's talk about what 230 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,599 gets you interested in this topic. You stirred out young around fourteen. You 231 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:11,559 had actually had an encounter, and I always love hearing encounters that I've never 232 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:18,319 heard before. So far away if you would. Okay, So, where 233 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:23,480 I was living in Chester, it's a bit of a hotspot for sightings. 234 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:30,519 But there was one night, literally a month after I'd lost my father, 235 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:34,559 and I moved into my father's bedroom, you know, just just for closeness 236 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:40,519 and whatnot. And we had a big bay window at the back of the 237 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:47,319 house in the room that I was in, and I can only describe the 238 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,400 light as if when you have a thunderstorm and lightning strikes and illuminates the whole 239 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:59,839 bedroom. But I was woken up by this bright light literally like you know, 240 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:04,119 police helicopter had a spotlight over my house. So I went to the 241 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:11,559 window, didn't have any fear, looked up and I just saw this absolute 242 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:18,079 blinding light and opened the window to get a better view to look beyond the 243 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:22,960 eaves, and I couldn't see a shape, There was no noise. It 244 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:30,000 was just this the brightest white light that I can describe. And heard a 245 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:36,640 bang behind me. So, being young and kind of jumpy and scaredish, 246 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,400 you know, I jumped and literally turned background and whatever it was was gone, 247 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:48,640 and went downstairs tom my grandmother about this. She was up early hours 248 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:55,480 in the morning, and she kind of, you know, dismissed what I 249 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,279 had seen. I didn't know what I had seen at that point, and 250 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,359 you kind of put it to the back of your mind, and you know, 251 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,240 you get on with your everyday life. But several years later, I 252 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:14,680 had a friend that lived literally about two streets away, and you know UFOs, 253 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:18,960 But then it wasn't something you talked about with at school with your friends, 254 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,240 and being my best friend, he was the only one that I had 255 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:27,599 really sort of confided in about what I'd seen because it was weird. And 256 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,440 I think it was a year maybe two years later he came to me and 257 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,759 he said, that night that you saw that light, I saw this huge 258 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:48,079 triangular ship object that was over your house at low descent. He said it 259 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,960 was noiseless, and you know that was That was kind of enough confirmation for 260 00:19:53,079 --> 00:20:00,920 me. But wow, that yeah, it cured me interest. And obviously 261 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,279 there was no internet. But then, about what year would you say that 262 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:11,519 was? I would say that was It had been about nineteen ninety four. 263 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,960 I was born in nineteen eighty, so it was when I was fourteen, 264 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:22,720 So good time away. But it literally every night after that, you know, 265 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,599 I think I borrowed the neighbor's binoculars and I'd stay up looking out the 266 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:34,039 windows and just curious to see, you know, if whatever it was that 267 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:41,599 I did see would reappear at some point. You know, curiosity got me 268 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,880 so outside. Now when your friend, when you talk to your friend, 269 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:48,519 did you say that he could actually see the outline of the craft were their 270 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:52,359 lights or how did he know that it was actually a triangle? Yeah, 271 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,480 he said he could see his shape and there was a light emanating from the 272 00:20:56,519 --> 00:21:03,319 bottom. There was literally over the house. Wow, so like illuminating your 273 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:10,039 whole house? Yeah, yeah, literally. I asked the neighbors thereafter if 274 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:15,359 they saw anything, and he even sort of, you know, sort to 275 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,279 rationalize the conversation, said, you know, was the police helicopter out last 276 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:25,079 night? You know, were they searching for someone that was lost? Um, 277 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:27,599 whether the neighbors saw or anything or not. You know, I still 278 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,480 don't know to this day. But to have a friend come back to me 279 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:37,359 and say, you know, he saw something. And this again, this 280 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,839 was way before the stuff with the tr three D was out there. It 281 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:47,000 was way before YouTube and you know, the internet. So yeah, you 282 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:51,519 know that's huge. Yeah, Internet was in the infancy back then. And 283 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,839 so um and what did you what did they do for you? Do that 284 00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:03,680 that spark your interest right away? Or did it take a while before you 285 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,480 start looking into it? Yeah, it took a while. Initially scared me. 286 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,200 Did you think you were being you would being like chosen or you know, 287 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,440 I mean like searched after I mean, why was it over your house 288 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,279 the type of thing and not someone else's? Is that is that one of 289 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,319 some of the things going through your mind. Yeah, yeah, there was 290 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,160 a lot of fair and at the time X Files was big on television. 291 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,759 Oh yeah, you know that that just saw I hit the UK and you 292 00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:40,200 know, you start watching that, you know, your mind over thinks and 293 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:44,720 you kind about two and two and come what we had? Right right? 294 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,559 Um, we are actually right at the first break right now, so we're 295 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:52,720 gonna head head right into a break. So hanging there, all right, 296 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:56,720 everyone, This is Martin Willis my guest from the UK is Jay Matthews. 297 00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:00,960 All right, so Jay, we're still alive on YouTube and I'm going to 298 00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:04,680 just jump over quickly see if there's any questions. But can you right now, 299 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:10,359 before I look to see if there's any questions, can you tell us 300 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,200 where exactly in the UK do you live at the moment? I live in 301 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:21,079 North Wales literally chest there and Buckley, where I live is right on the 302 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,920 border, so I literally lived just over the English border, in the enemy 303 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:33,039 territory as the Welsh would say. But now I've talked to other people from 304 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:36,440 the UK and they said there's not a lot of sightings in general there because 305 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,880 of the weather, you know, I mean, is that so? Or 306 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,519 do you do get a lot of reports. Yeah, yeah, we do. 307 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:52,200 Literally just speaking to the guys from Swansea Swansea uf Network, they were 308 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:57,680 up here at the weekend and to my surprise, they've actually interviewed a couple 309 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:03,480 of key witness is that I've seen things I believe, so Walny's ex military 310 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:11,279 that is local to me. So, you know, I like to think 311 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:18,920 that I'm the only crap pop around here. But you know, it's reassuring 312 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:25,680 when you hear other people telling their story. But well, one of the 313 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,880 things I pardon me, and one of the things I wanted to do is 314 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:32,480 talk to you about UFO cases and just one or two, you know in 315 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:37,200 the UK basically because there's you know, there's some good ones. What about 316 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:45,319 warmstr How far away are you from there? And it's probably it's probably about 317 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,440 a good three hundred miles away from where I live. Now. Do you 318 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:52,559 hear a lot of I mean, do you follow a lot of the UK 319 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,400 cases over the years, like the Warminster what do they call it? That 320 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:02,599 had a nickname, the Warminsters something thing, It was called the Thing. 321 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,759 Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. There's a good friend of mine, Steve 322 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:12,839 Wills, really good researcher from down that way. I follow his work. 323 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,880 They've actually you know, it seems to be quite a hot spot for sightings. 324 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:25,079 Yeah, there's been some really good documented cases down there. But saying 325 00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:27,240 that, you know, where I am in Wales, there's a lot of 326 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:33,920 ancient sites. There's a lot of lay lines around, which is something I've 327 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:40,160 done a bit of research intee and you know, literally every player night i'm 328 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,920 out the back, we have have low light pollution. I actually overlook a 329 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:51,400 mountain, the same mountain it's a hill shy eighty feet of being a mountain 330 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:59,279 called Malvami, which has actually been it's been the location for a lot of 331 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:04,279 sightings recently, or at least since I've moved into this area. You know, 332 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:10,680 weird ops, there's there's been weird lights. There's a chap called Graham 333 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,960 Evans who lives in Denby, which is literally eight to ten miles away. 334 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:22,880 He's got some incredible footage over the mountain ranges over there. So I'd say 335 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:30,799 the area as a whole is very active at the moment, and probably has 336 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,559 been since before I started doing this. We're going to be going back here 337 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,079 in just about twenty seconds, all right, Welcome back. This is Martin 338 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,680 Willis. My guest is Jay Matthews from over in North Wales and welcome back 339 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:48,960 to the show. So we were talking during the break. We're talking geographically 340 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,839 where you located. I know, just before the break we weren't talking about 341 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:56,640 that at all. Usually write it down where we're talking about. I think 342 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:00,960 we were talking about the triangle you know over your your house and uh yeah 343 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,799 and all that. But location wise, that's where we were talking about during 344 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,279 the break. So it looks to me on the map that you're you're in 345 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:19,160 North Wales anywhere near the snow Denia National Park. Yeah, literally say as 346 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:25,480 the crow flies about fifty fifty miles away. Yeah, yeah, my family's 347 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:29,519 from my families from Whales. I've never been there, but I planned it. 348 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:32,319 It's on my bucket list, so to speak. I gotta get out 349 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,200 there. Um. But anyway, so it looks like you're in that case, 350 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,880 it looks like you're about three hundred miles or so. Also from the 351 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,240 Red Rendelssom Forest area. Is that a case that you have ever inspired me 352 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:49,880 you looked into. Yeah, in fact, it's probably one the first, 353 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,440 Yeah, I'd say, along with the birdwin Ufo incidents. It was probably 354 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:03,799 one of the first documented cases that I looked into. Obviously, there's so 355 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:10,039 much evidence around in that case, and it's actually still ongoing now with I 356 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:17,000 believe there's a new documentary coming out soon which is going to shed some light 357 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:22,960 on the situation. But you know, obviously Wrendellshim I think happened in nineteen 358 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:30,880 eighty, which was the era was born Berwin Ufo crash happening seventy four, 359 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:37,079 which is literally a stone's throw away from where I live now. So you 360 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,119 know, when you when you start out, you know, obviously reading books 361 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,559 back then, you had the main cases, you had your Rolls Wells, 362 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:53,400 you know some some some of the more mainstream ufolks sightings or incidents, if 363 00:28:53,400 --> 00:29:00,599 you will, and you know it, you start reading about these other cases 364 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:06,759 which you know you've been publicized but maybe not talked about in the same sort 365 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:15,160 of way as you know your Rosewells and whatnot. But it's you just go 366 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:22,000 deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole. The Rendelship thing, I I don't 367 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,720 think it was the lighthouse. I know that's been reported and you know it's 368 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:33,160 out there. I've also got friends that have been to the forest there and 369 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,079 again looking into the lay lines thing, there's lay lines actually run straight through 370 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:45,960 Rendelship and there's still act there's still activity going on to their stay. Yeah, 371 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,799 a lot of people are talking about that. There's there's a lot of 372 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,599 a lot of weird things going on there, not just UFOs, you know, 373 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:59,839 people are talking about entities and entities and everything else. Um. Someone 374 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,400 just banter just posted in the chat room that if you look at the unidentified 375 00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:10,759 latest episodes they have they have this the last episode, that is, they 376 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,680 have a chart where they pinned hot spots and one of them is in North 377 00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:19,440 Wales. Um, I consider that my hot spot up there where you're at. 378 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:26,960 But that's reassuring. Yeah. Um, so we can talk a little 379 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,440 bit about have you watched any of those shows? Oh, they're not they're 380 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,960 not over there. Are they in the UK? They're not as yet on 381 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,480 History UK, but it happens. We've seen the first three episodes, which 382 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:45,680 have been put up on various websites. But yeah, it's it's it's interesting 383 00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:52,240 stuff. I was really excited with the whole t Tsay announcement. Yeah, 384 00:30:53,039 --> 00:31:00,640 I know. Currently there's some documents to suggest that alazonbo wasn't in charge of 385 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,559 ATAM. But that doesn't for me, doesn't take away the thought that those 386 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:10,279 three videos were confirmed to BEDD. Yeah, and we don't know for sure, 387 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,880 you know, as far as the documents go, and I know what 388 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,960 you're talking about, and as far as you know, the research that John 389 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,720 Greenwald has been doing and the communication he's been getting, you know, right 390 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:29,640 from the Pentagon spokesperson, We don't. We don't know one hundred percent sure. 391 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:34,240 There's no way of telling if this person either does or does not know 392 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:41,240 for sure, um or you know, may find out later. It's possible. 393 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:47,680 So I wouldn't give one percent for sure either way, you know. 394 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:51,960 And uh, you know, I had Lou Alzondo on this show, um 395 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,839 just you know, on a YouTube stream as well, and that went out, 396 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,440 that went out to the podcast on my supporters podcast. But I did 397 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:05,880 I did want to say, you know, I met Lou in person and 398 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:12,359 I talked to him. He's very very a cool guy. You just got 399 00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:14,480 to say when you meet him, you're saying, this guy is just a 400 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,000 plain cool guys. He's very interesting and you know, I'm in the fine 401 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,160 arts and antiques and I started talking to him about he asked me, you 402 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,960 know what I did for my real, real job type of thing. And 403 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,359 so it was like I opened up a door because he and I were talking 404 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,400 about he was asking me about things that he collects, and he was telling 405 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,359 me all these great things that he collects. He's quite a collector. And 406 00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:43,759 so I started thinking about this whole thing. And you know, I'm trying 407 00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:45,680 not to be conspiratorial in any type of way. I always trying to look 408 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,519 at things a little level headed. But I was thinking the other day, 409 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:52,640 I was driving somewhere and I was just thinking, you know, if there 410 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:59,240 was someone that the government would want to muddy the water with, you know, 411 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,200 put some diffs information out there, it would be a guy just like 412 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:07,839 him, someone that's gets along with everyone. Everyone wants to talk to him. 413 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,000 He's really great. Now, I'm not saying that is the situation at 414 00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:15,440 all. I'm just saying that he would be the type of person, as 415 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,920 he is so believable and gets along so well with just about anyone he talks 416 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,759 with, he would be exactly the type of person that would be out there 417 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,680 giving misinformation. And I'm not saying that's what's happening at all. I think 418 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:35,200 only time will tell. I like John Greenwald a lot. He's a great 419 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,799 guy. I think he's trying to figure out what's going on. But I 420 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:45,279 also think that it's very possible that Alexando is one hundred percent legit. He 421 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:47,000 really, I'm telling you. It makes you feel that way when you talk 422 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:52,559 to him, and and there's a lot of things that point in that direction. 423 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,400 So do I dare say that I'm on the fence about it. I 424 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,680 guess that's as close as I can get to, you know, everything I 425 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:05,079 just said, it's just my thoughts on the whole topic. I really don't 426 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:09,119 know, and I think time will tell. You know, in the UFO 427 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:15,719 community has been fooled before. You know, there's Bill Moore, There's Richardote. 428 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,679 There's a lot of different examples. And by the way, Richardote is 429 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,599 coming up in August on this show at some point. Some Dan, I'm 430 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,000 not sure if you've ever heard of the Benoits case and all that, and 431 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,639 who Richardote is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. So 432 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:34,760 anyway, I'm sorry I went on quite a ramble there, But what is 433 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,920 your general thought? Are you just as well? Kind of looking at everything 434 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,039 people are posting, there's A. It's a very active situation where people have 435 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:49,400 an opinion on this subject, that's for sure. TTSA all that. Yeah, 436 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:53,239 And I saw a sweet that DeLonge put out the other day about an 437 00:34:53,239 --> 00:35:00,599 episode of Unidentified where you supposedly got intel from Italy about the UFOs up in 438 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:06,760 a helicopter. I saw that too, Yeah, yeah, that was interesting. 439 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,800 Now, you know, the conspiracy minded people will say, you know, 440 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:17,000 it's the evil Aliens agenda. You know, they're being for funding maybe 441 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:22,320 from more weapons what with Trump's space force, you know, being talked about. 442 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,719 But I think we've all got to see how it plays out. My 443 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:36,360 feeling on Alsondo is if he is lying, and say John Greenwald is right, 444 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:43,480 then surely Chris Mellon will be lying. All these guys like how put 445 00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:47,800 off Steve Justice that are all involved with him. You wouldn't get into bed 446 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,039 with someone who's necessarily trying to pull the wool over your eyes. Now, 447 00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:59,280 I think that's a very good point. Yeah. And and also Grant Cameron 448 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:07,599 is a fantastic researcher that I follow, and when he's obviously he's very into 449 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:15,239 the presidential UFO stuff, but he talks about this plausible deniability where you put 450 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,840 a story out and you put some facts in it, you put some lies 451 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,480 in it. And most of the time, if they if this thing goes 452 00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:28,079 too far, it's like a baby on range. You have those rains to 453 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:34,599 rain that child back in. And from my own understanding and what I've seen, 454 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,320 I think there are people in the US government that want this out, 455 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:43,119 and I also think there are people that I don't know for what reasons, 456 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:50,000 still want to cover this up. So perhaps that's a reason for you know, 457 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,480 all the stuff with Elazondo, because I saw a clip I think it 458 00:36:53,559 --> 00:37:01,199 was on CNN in America where he I think the guy on the US asked 459 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:08,440 him about recovered space flight right, and he seemed to say yes, but 460 00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:15,719 he was bound by his secrecy agreement and he couldn't go any further. And 461 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:21,159 discussing that, well, he basically said yes without saying yes. Yeah, 462 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,920 yeah he did. That's what I saw, which which I thought was a 463 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,119 huge statement. Yes, yeah, and uh that is that is shocking up. 464 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,800 Alejandro, who was just on with the news ahead of time, UM 465 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,920 thought that was the most shocking part of the interview that he did with him. 466 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,880 Um. He sort of answered him the same way, you know, 467 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,960 like, um, you know, not really a denial and um, you 468 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,360 know you can gather what you want from it, but it's almost a way 469 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:55,000 of saying yes without saying yes. Yeah, yeah, you know, but 470 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:04,000 you know, it's it's interesting, you know, like many back in December 471 00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:09,039 of twenty seventeen when their story broke, yeah, and we had the New 472 00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:17,039 York Times posts. You know, obviously for guys like myself that research this, 473 00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:23,519 the ridicule your face, The way the UFL subjects is perceived by a 474 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:30,880 lot of these media agencies literally changed overnight. It Yeah, you know, 475 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,599 it was. It was crazy from a UK point of view to see you 476 00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:40,320 know, BBC, ITV, Sky News all reported this in a serious way. 477 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,079 And I'm not kind of with a smirk on the face as they're reading 478 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:49,599 this out or the yeah or the music you know, the scary music in 479 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:53,679 the background or yeah, or the X Files music. Um, yeah, 480 00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:00,599 you know. I received an email recently from the summer from the UK and 481 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:04,760 they were saying that the UK, I mean, the UFO topic in the 482 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,519 UK. I don't know exactly where I'm going to try to pull it up. 483 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,199 Um, you know, perhaps when we go to our next break. 484 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:15,639 But they were just basically saying that the the UFO topic and wherever they are 485 00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:19,400 in the UK right now is poison. They can't talk about it, there's 486 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,440 death threats and everything else. That it was a crazy email, but it 487 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,320 was actually from a known person in the UFO field. So I was kind 488 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,800 of shocked to actually see that. Um, do you see any of any 489 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:37,360 of that or again, you know you're talking about the more credible reports on 490 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,920 the news and stuff like that. Are you seeing a shift in h and 491 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:46,159 where you're at as well? Yeah, I've seen a lot of this on 492 00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:54,000 social media and literallyn the last the last two years. Why some of my 493 00:39:54,079 --> 00:40:02,039 friends that I surmise a very good race chers have been attacked and almost in 494 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:07,960 a witch hunt kind of way, is it's crazy And these people are my 495 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:12,679 seniors. These are people that have been doing this far longer than what I 496 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:21,159 have. And I don't know if it's a distraction or it's a distract from 497 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,280 all the stuff that is actually going on that is credible in the UK, 498 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:32,320 or you know, there's a there's a few bad apples and you know it's 499 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:37,000 it's it's crazy. But yeah, I see that a lot and it's draining, 500 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:44,840 especially when you're as you just said, you know, I try and 501 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,400 sit on the fence. I don't try and pick a side. You look 502 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,960 at the fact, you look at what is put out there, and you've 503 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,840 got a group of friends that are for this, and then you've got a 504 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,800 group of friends that are against this, all coming call on the middle. 505 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:07,639 Um, it's it's almost I've had the situation where I've been forced to pick 506 00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:15,199 aside, and because I refuse to pick aside, I'm then deemed as Bob 507 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,559 as the person you know what I mean. Yeah, No, it's a 508 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,760 I see the divide, you know, I see as you mentioned, I 509 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,519 see the divide on the social media, the rants and stuff like that, 510 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,440 and I just decided not to really get into it. I just glanced now 511 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,280 and then. But I'm not gonna get into any of the debates, any 512 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,119 of that that part of it. But it's definitely a divide. It seems 513 00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:43,719 like, you know, we're divided in politics here in the US, and 514 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:50,159 there's a divide now in the UFO field and uh and as far as the 515 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,840 TTSA, you know, there's um, there's also a lot of opinions out 516 00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,159 there about that that are you know, kind of conspiratorial, um, you 517 00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:05,440 know, like it's a whole government thing. I've heard that before. I've 518 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,559 heard a lot of people talk about that now and I don't know, I 519 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:12,920 can't say it definitely is. But you make a really good point about would 520 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,000 would Chris Mellon would help put off and all these other Steve Justice and all 521 00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:22,920 this get into bed with the you know, something that was deviant and I 522 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,239 don't think so. Yeah, especially you know, especially giving Chris Mellon's credentials. 523 00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:31,960 Yeah, you know, it's his family. He's deep rooted in America 524 00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:37,280 and obviously in the oil business and and and what else and obviously his position 525 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:44,639 yeah, in governments. So when you start adding these things together, it's 526 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:51,559 it doesn't make a great deal of sense. Um. I think from from 527 00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:58,719 my personal opinion, I don't think they're playing to the rules. Perhaps they're 528 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:04,239 going, you know, running a stream at the moment t TSA and I 529 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,880 mentioned in perhaps some things that they shouldn't. You know, we all know 530 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:15,559 about these these alloyes and recovered meta materials which have allegedly gone to Big Low 531 00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:21,719 Aerospace. You know, I find that deeply interested, especially with the release 532 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,760 obviously the skin Walker film, which came out the end of twards the end 533 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,239 of last year. Well, you know, skin Walker supposedly is you know, 534 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,159 the whole genesis for any of this happening, you know, which is 535 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,639 right from the very beginning. You know. You you talked about Time Delong's 536 00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:45,760 tweet just a minute ago about the helicopter shooting down and UFO or the other 537 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,440 way around, the UFO shooting down a helicopter. I can't remember what it 538 00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,639 is. Yeah, but anyway, I think what's really interesting about the tweet 539 00:43:53,039 --> 00:44:00,440 is he took it down after And I don't know why he took it down, 540 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:02,800 but I would guess if I had to guess, I would say that 541 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,800 it's probably the History Channel told him to take it down because they're really being 542 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:13,360 very guarded on every episode before it's released, So I imagine that's probably what 543 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,679 happened. But just the fact that he put it up and then he took 544 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:21,480 it down, I think that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, obviously now he've 545 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,880 got screen captures and screenshots, so yeah, that's right. I have it 546 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:30,119 somewhere out Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know you talked about Chris Mellan. 547 00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:36,000 Now he was on this show, he was interviewed by Leslie Kane. 548 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,800 I immediately called Leslie and said, hey, anyway I can get Chris on 549 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,400 the show. He agreed, and I actually had him on the show. 550 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,000 It's a very rare interview. He's you can check him out on my YouTube 551 00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:52,760 channel. So I had a really nice and interesting interview with him, and 552 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,960 and he and then I I told him. He asked me if if I 553 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,840 thought there was any other show, and I said, you know, you 554 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,960 want to get on Coast to Coast. I know George Knapp and so I 555 00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:04,800 connected them too. He went on Coast to Coast. So those those were 556 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,639 the only two interviews he had done for a long time, and now he's 557 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:12,440 on you know, mainstream interviews at this point. But what I find really 558 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,960 interesting I have never said this on this show at all, but I find 559 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:22,599 it very interesting that Chris had been in touch. We were emailing and talking 560 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:28,199 a bit after the interview, and then as soon as he joined to the 561 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,639 Stars he never communicated with me again. He's never returned an email. I 562 00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:37,519 think it's strange. I have no idea exactly why, you know, and 563 00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:45,480 it's perhaps the publicist for TTSA to the Stars Academy and Science. I just 564 00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:47,920 don't know if that's the deal, and I know that it's up. I 565 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,880 can't remember her name begins with a K. It's actually Tom DeLong sisters running 566 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,880 a publicity. Okay, so it's not Karen at something like that, but 567 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:04,199 Kara or go ahead? Didn't the same thing happen on Fade to Black with 568 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,840 Jimmy's Church. I remember, I forget who was interviewing, but he seemed 569 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,119 to say on this interview that he'd reached out to t TSA and Tom DeLong 570 00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:20,880 and Alasondo when they said it wasn't the right time for them to come back 571 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,800 on the show. Yeah, yeah, so this is yeah, go ahead. 572 00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:31,679 I was going to say, you know, obviously there was the bad 573 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:37,440 interview on the Joe Rogan podcast. There was a mistake. Yeah yeah, 574 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:43,320 that was a huge mistake. You know, I actually know Joe Rogan and 575 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:49,639 wow, yeah, yeah, he's an out there guy. But I personally, 576 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:52,599 I think he'd already sort of made his mind up to pick holes in 577 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:58,599 what Tom was saying beforehand. But then Tom didn't do himself any favors with 578 00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:02,800 some of the footage. Then, Um, yeah, it just wasn't that 579 00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:08,079 it didn't do TTSA a lot of favors. Yes, yeah, I agree. 580 00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:15,679 And another thing that this is something also I've never said before either. 581 00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:23,719 Um, but just reflecting on the TTSA since they've been active, is going 582 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,920 back to the publicists. I don't think, uh, there's been a I 583 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:37,039 think a lot of the conspiracies are born from um being kind of elusive or 584 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:39,760 not available and and all that, and people are just questioning that. And 585 00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:45,360 when the government does something like that, you know, uh, then we 586 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,639 say there's aliens, you know, So conspiracy always happens. But um, 587 00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:53,519 um not saying that she's not doing a good job. But you know, 588 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:59,199 perhaps instead of Tom DeLong sister being a publicist, maybe it would have been, 589 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,320 or still could be a better idea to get a publicist in there that 590 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,320 has dealt with the sensitive issues and has experience in this, you know, 591 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:15,559 just playing experience, but experience in this type of situation, and perhaps they 592 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,840 could have a little bit better of a public image. Maybe they don't want 593 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:23,239 one. I don't know what their situation is. Yeah. The only thing 594 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:29,639 that I find strange about the whole TTSA thing, And again I was listening 595 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:35,000 to fates of Miche with Jimmy Church, where Tom DeLong mentioned that he was 596 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:43,400 authoring the autobiography of Bobbler's Are now obviously with Jeremy Corbell's film coming out, 597 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:50,480 you know Bobbler's Are and flying to sources area fifty one. I perhaps it's 598 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,079 still yet to come, but it's almost like with the two thousand and four 599 00:48:54,199 --> 00:49:01,079 Limits film, that's when they're acknowledging UFOs kind of exists. I'm kind of 600 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:08,079 dismissing obviously, you know, decades and decades of the sightings before, so 601 00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:15,119 as pertains to the meta material that is alleged is a big low air of 602 00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:21,639 space. How does that fit in with obviously Bob Lazar and the reverse engineering 603 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:28,559 and obviously ask for Yeah, I've talked many times and I get email every 604 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:32,039 time I do about this is Bob Lazar is another one I'm on the fence 605 00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:37,400 about. Yeah, Yeah, I mean, it's just it's a tricky one 606 00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:44,360 and it is it is And just when if someone well to use the I 607 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,480 don't know if I should say the word lie. But if someone is just 608 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:52,880 well doesn't tell exactly the truth about one thing, doesn't mean that their whole 609 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,840 story is bogus um, that's I guess, um, something to think about. 610 00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:02,039 And I don't don't know, I don't know. The thing I found 611 00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:07,320 interesting with the bubblizar was I think it was George Nap. They bought it 612 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:13,360 off that he was facing a felony for his involvements in setting up a brothel, 613 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,840 yes in America, and how you know, the prosecution could do the 614 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,840 background checks on him and they were kind of paid off with him and he 615 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,119 was looking at doing some time, you know, in prison, and his 616 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:34,159 story didn't change. And for me, that would be the point where you'd 617 00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:37,400 find holes in the story. So, m, I see what you're seeing 618 00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:42,760 interesting? Yeah, you know that that would be the time that you kind 619 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:49,800 of kep come clean, you know, I'm just putting out Yeah, yeah, 620 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,440 no, no, it's it's it's interesting. I'd never another thing that 621 00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:58,519 I had never actually thought of and in a very good point. That's it 622 00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:00,519 for the free part of the show. Thank you so much for listening, 623 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,800 and we'll be back next week with Nick Redfern. He's going to be talking 624 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,000 about Kremlin and UFOs. Pretty interesting topic. It's his new book that just 625 00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:15,360 came out. I want to thank everyone that helped out with this show that 626 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,440 includes people behind the scenes, but also our guest and Alejandro Rojas for the 627 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,719 UFO updates, Peggy for the Facebook page. 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