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What is krack a lacing fellow thermonuclear
A efforts. I am Dan Valley coming

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at you with my certified fantabulous thermo
nuclear af co host mister Grant Hughes.

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We are taking a break from the
trade deadline machine. We're gonna rank our

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top twenty two under twenty two NBA
prospects. So just to clarify, we

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are ranking them. The two things
you need to note under twenty two meaning

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that this has to be their age
twenty one season or younger meaning if they

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turn twenty one. Excuse me,
if they turn twenty two after January thirty

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first, they were not eligible for
this exercise. If they are already aged

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twenty two or older, they were
not eligible. We also ranked these players

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as if we're getting them. Yes, it was based a lot off what

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we've seen this season, but we're
also looking at well, who do we

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want for the rest of their career
and so we'll have discussions throughout. We

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have tears set up. We also
have a specific order. Grant and I

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will you know, haggle over anything
that we might disagree with in retrospect after

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we did hash out this final pecking
order. But it was fun figured we

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would share it with you after we
went through this exercise. But the first

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question, Grant, how the heck
are you doing? Dan? I love

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evergreen content, just number one,
so I'm happy to be here doing this.

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We're gonna do this like the last
three weeks in a row, and

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just kept punching it, and you
know what, still works, So I'm

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happy about it. It's still there's
nothing, no regrets yet either. I

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guess we'll see as we go through
the order as one through twenty two.

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And so do you think there's a
is there any debate over who is number

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one? I think there can't be, Like they're just you can't be serious

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at all about this and and really
quibble over number one? Right, it

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has to be when I'm already threw
him up there For anyone watching on YouTube,

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you can see throwing a little throw
him up in our little tiers there.

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Well order them within tiers for the
most part, unless we think it's

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really too close to call. But
yeah, please carry on. I know

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I was just gonna say, the
only question is does he belong in a

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tier by himself? And we didn't
really discuss this ahead of time, and

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I can't Honestly, I think I
can't remember how when we did the write

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up initially if we sort of thought
it thought about it that way, but

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like what should he just be alone? Or should we are we gonna stick

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some other ones up here? It
gives me pause is that he's been so

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much more efficient since he's been moved
to basically the day Facto five. But

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some of that is about his where
the ball is being delivered, and so

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for him to be in a tear
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believe that he just does so much
defensively. That's what fuels it, because

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I don't know that we've seen enough
self creation efficient self to say, oh,

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he is one of one offensively from
this group. Does that make sense?

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Yeah? I just well, okay, well maybe we can come back

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to that after we've got a couple
of tiers established and just kind of see

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how it feels, because I think, like, I think, yeah,

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we could go a tier by himself. That's fine with me. I'm asking

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you if you think that he does
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I think, like maybe not now, but if we're if and we

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are, if we're talking about this
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you get this guy for the duration. I just like, I just

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don't. I do think he's kind
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you're right, Like he's shooting under
thirty percent from three, like he's not,

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you know, running like creating tons
of shots for himself. Although like

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one of the things that's happened since
he's playing more center is like his passing

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has just been kind of unlocked because, like you said, where he's getting

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the ball. So like again with
him, and this will be the case

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for like what two or three more
years, we're gonna have to talk about

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him in terms of like surface scratching. We just like we don't know yet,

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like we're just getting little glimpses of
of what he can be. My

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gut says he should be by himself
in a tier, But I don't have

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to convince me. Remember what I
said after everyone was up in arms about

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his game, and I said,
he's gonna be one of the best players

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of all time. Let's leave him. Let's leave him in a tier by

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himself for now, and if we
really feel like that's the wrong move,

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we can come back. Number two, I think uh doesn't really to me,

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like have a have much competition.
Uh maybe disagree? So chet Holdgren

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is our is our number two,
uh I guess, And yeah in a

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currently in a tier by himself,
but he will have some company. Look,

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I think defensively, like I don't
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a go beart like defense unto himself
type of guy necessarily like he might be.

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But his mobility, his agility,
his lateral quickness, like you can't

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really feel good about him switched onto
wings and guards, and like his ability

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to you know, get beat or
like or whatever and just like recover with

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length and like pinshots to the backboard
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help rotator. Like that's one thing. I think he's been like an all

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defense level guy potentially right now as
a rookie. And then offensively, like

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I I really I did watch him
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don't think I appreciated like how much
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we were talking, like how much
the guy just looks and moves like a

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guard at seven feet. Like his
ball handling is really good for which is

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so hard to be a good ball
handler when your dribbles are like five feet

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off the ground, Like that's just
difficult because of the physics of it as

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a as a as a driver,
obviously he can shoot it, like he's

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under forty percent now, but like
I think he commands tons of defensive attention

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as a shooter, which is like
all that really matters. And I think

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he's gonna be a well above average
three point shooter. I just think I

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think he's just like he might be
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there's not too many other guys we're
gonna say that about this year, and

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as a two way guy, like
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I mean all Star cases are always
offensive, but like if they consider defense,

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you would probably put him in there
too. And so I'll lead that

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into our number three discussion to talk
about number two, and we have Paalo

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ben Carrow at number three, who
I don't think he has to be like

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the like the only option to but
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anybody else that there are probably a
couple of guys that could be in this

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will probably still have them in this
tier. But as right now, especially

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when you're waiting what we've seen this
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case for Paalo over Chet. Pallo
more than and it just comes down to

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the comple the complex nature of their
offensive roles. Pallo more than half way

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more than half his buckets go un
assisted. Chet you have about three quarters

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of his buckets are assisted. Now, what makes the difference for me with

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Chet is that Palo Bank Carrol will
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least two premiere two way players.
He's been better defensively through these past two

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seasons, and I think a lot
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really think gives Chet a potential leg
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They're in the same tier, So
we're splitting hairs with these two. Specifically,

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Chet Holmgren has shown ball skills.
It's been in open space, but

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like he's done some stuff in traffic
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ball moving. The ceiling on offense
is higher where it's Pala Bank. Carrol's

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defensive ceiling is higher than you give
him credit for. Chet Holgreen has a

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higher offensive ceiling. Then this is
just sort of a play finisher who's capitalizing

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on the talent around him, and
that's huge. And with Palo Bank Carrol,

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There's always going to be the question
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can we see the efficiency tickup?
The three point of books good? Right

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now he gets to the line,
Kenna in between stuff finishing get even better.

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I think it can. These two
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I do. What I will say
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transcendent, transformative defensive I don't know
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on the offensive end, where he
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would you consider him, you know, the best offensive player in the league

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material where I think Check could one
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league, even with Wemby existing.
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I think for me, the thing
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he's been around forever. But I
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a like does have the potential he
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like you said, the efficiency is
not quite there. He does get to

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the line a lot, which helps, but like thirty five point six percent

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on threes, forty five and a
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he's twenty one, so like if
a magic give him much space in

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right to operate, and they have
really bad situation offensively for him, So

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he like the degree of difficulty for
him is like leaps and bounds greater than

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it is for Chet, who like
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you know, gets to go against
matchups that are like, oh shit,

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we have to put a big on
him who's not quick and can't handle him

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on the perimeter. Ban Caro just
gets the other teams like whoever can guard

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the best four? Like, you
know, so ben Caro just has a

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harder job to do. But I
was gonna say, I think ben Caro

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has the upside of like he's a
number one option on a good offense someday,

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Like that's I think that's the vision
for him. I don't know if

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that's true of Chet. I also
don't know if Chet needs to do that

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to like be the best version of
himself. So pretty different players, but

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I think I think I'm fine with
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maybe I'm just more intrigued by Chet
because he's just like we've kind of seen

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a ban Caro type, like he's
a big Carmelo type or like Blake Griffiny

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like there's there's been guys kind of
like him, but but Chet is like

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I don't know, he's like Dirk
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thing. That's that's a harder comp
for me to get to. So we

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are on too, number four.
I'm in the same tier, right.

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I think this probably has to be
the same tier. I'm looking at the

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next two players specifically, and I
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this this tier. Well, let's
talk about number five in a minute,

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but let's put I think Shangun can
go with Chet and Paolo. I think

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I feel I feel fine about that
because like he is the hub of an

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offense out of position you don't normally
get that from and is defensively like viable

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now, which was a big question
earlier. And can I though one complaint

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And I know it's because they're both
Caucasian, the NICOLEA Jokic comparisons just like

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kind of need to stop this dude
is like I and so did the Sabonus

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comparisons, because they facilitate the offense
in different ways. There's just there's some

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similarities to both. Like Shangun is
clearly his own player, and it's just

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the way he passes or sets up
the offense. It's a lot more bully

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ball type stuff than it. Then
it's like NICOLEA Jokic's thermaturgy like where it's

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actual witchcraft. I know shangu can
throw those types of passes, but like

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NICOLEA. Jokic is witchcraft on the
move from Stan Stills, and it's just

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a lot more yes to it,
I think than what Shangun does. Yeah,

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like the big guy who can pass
gets the Jokic comparison, kind of

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like how every really athletic shooting guard
for like twenty years got the next Jordan,

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Like Jerry Stackhouse is the next Michael
Jordan or like you know, there's

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all these all these guys like okay, because he's like sort of physically similar

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and moves around a little bit like
him like that. Yeah, I agree

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the Jokic thing is insane. But
as as like an offensive hub, I

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think Shang Gun is like, you
know, he's not going to get to

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Jogic's level, but like he might
get, you know, to be number

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two, like he might. I
think he absolutely has the potential to be

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a better offensive hub than Sabonus.
He might be one right now or pretty

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close to it. And he's much
younger, and I think I think you

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the three point shot is like just
not there for him still, but he's

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a decent free throw shooter and he's
getting the line more. I just like,

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I don't really have a lot of
notes for Shang and I think he's

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he's he's addressed the defense question like
well enough to where you can because you

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might for a while there you couldn't. You could say, like, I'm

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not sure if you can really build
a winner around him because of the defense.

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Like now the defense is like okay
enough, and the Rockets as a

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team are a lot of it is
just like he's able to be in his

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station because you have Fred van Fleet
and Dylan Brooks and Tares and and jay

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Sean Tate and Aliman Thompson. Like
the just the competency level around him as

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improved, which is that's still fine
to be able to just have your base

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station and be good at that.
Yeah, all right, So this is

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the next guy we kind of have
to decide what to do with. And

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that's I don't think we could just
when you're looking at the sample size,

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we can't just say he needs to
be in a lower tier when we considered

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him among like the most transformative prospects
like you, especially in recent that's Sue

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Henderson at number five. So the
question if we're gonna discuss moving him down,

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I'm not saying we will. It
just needs to be like, do

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we need to is it? Do
we need to reevaluate some of our priors

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about like his ceiling just based on
what we've seen so far, just flat

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out too early. There's just look, look at all the injuries and lack

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of big stuff in Portland at this
point. Scoot himself was banged up for

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a lot of the year. The
efficiency's gonna come. Some of the decision

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making has gotten better already from him. You can see it when he gets

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into the lane. It feels like
he's changing the cadence of his dribble dribble,

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excuse me a little bit more.
And also a big deal here.

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He's at thirty eight point nine percent
on off the dribble threes this year,

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about two attempts per game. That's
not nothing as a Brookie and so yeah,

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okay, you look and it's twenty
two point on catching shoots. That's

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not like a okay, whatever,
he's and he's shooting thirty percent on wide

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open threes. That's not great,
But he's played in thirty games, and

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so I don't think we can change. Yeah, it's enough to say,

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well the body of work from look, Wehm and Yama uh Holmegrin, Bancaro

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and Shangun, those all have they
all have all star cases right now.

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Yeah, and Scoot and doesn't have
that. But I don't know that what

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we've seen this season should change the
trajectory of what we think at all.

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The fact that to me that he's
behind Shangoon is like, that's the pullback

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that we decided he needed, because
you probably would have had him coming into

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this season before they'd taken the floor
ahead of Chet. I would have,

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Yeah, I would have. I
would have. I think that's right just

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as a as a matter of principle, Like you can't say a guy is

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the best point guard prospect since you
name it in June and then by the

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following January decide he's like a third
tier under twenty two guy. That's an

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overcorrection. I think he at least
for now gets to stay here and if

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anything, it's like a shock he's
him and chaed aren't like Tier one probably,

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so I'm good with that. I'm
good with that. Who's number six

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on our list Jabari Smith Junior,
which I think starts a separate tier.

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Correct, I would agree with Tier
three, which, like I don't know

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what you call this tier like potential
All Star someday, but just like is

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not that, it is not very
close to that right now, right like

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you know, there's inexist. This
is definitely a tier in which you would

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still maybe not bet on, but
envision scenarios in which they make one or

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more All Star appearances. I think
the first two tiers are very much these

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are probable, likely or should be
all NBA guys. We're kind of exiting

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that territory. Although you know what
Smith has on, some of these guys

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are really actually all of them,
I think other than Wemby, he's still

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twenty and this is his age twenty
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Palos age twenty one, Shangoon I
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of these three years in I think, like so right now today I feel

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confidence saying Jabari Smith Junior is gonna
be a really dangerous three point shooter thirty

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seven and a half percent right now, and someone that can guard definitely threes

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and fours, maybe fives, and
so like he's a luxury, he's like

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a high end complementary piece that that
will should start for like most teams right

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now today at A And so the
question is like how much expansion is there

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after that? And I think probably
it's a lot, but it's hard to

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put him in the higher tier,
I guess, even conceding that, I

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think the path for him to get
there, and it's tough with Shane Gun

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would be, is this someone who
develops into more of a five, where

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he's even more of a mismatched nightmare
offensively. We've seen a little bit more

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of those minutes in Houston this season, but the data on them also isn't

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like super effective at the moment.
I still think like just the defensive scalabil

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the fact that he's so scalable at
both ends of the floor, yea is

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a biggie because when you talk about
bigs, you very rarely talk about two

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way scalability. It's either one end
or the other. But it's seldom when

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we're talking about scalability, it's normally
guards or wings and he's just this big

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who fits like a glove basically anywhere
on both ends of the floor. Yeah,

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he's like an I mean his floor
is just like he's gonna make you

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know, he's gonna get several hundred
million dollars like nine figure tracks as as

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like a he fits everywhere, so
everyone wants him and and like he just

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will never not be useful on both
ends, which is like at twenty,

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Like I just can't get over that
too. So number seven we have shade

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sharp old Blazers. See we did
these, we did our original rankings long

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enough ago that I can't remember that. One kind of surprised me a little

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bit. Is he Yeah, so
you got him in the smith. I

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think he has to be in that
tier. I think we can't move down

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tiers yet. No, the guy
who's behind him, and I think maybe,

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actually let's talk about him as well. So this is what Number eight

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we have Brandon Miller of the Charlotte
Hornets. And like, the more I've

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thought about it, I've wondered,
I've wondered if Brandon Miller needs to be

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number seven instead of eight. But
I would say that Brandon Miller absolutely needs

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to be in this tier because you
talk about two way scalability, he's already

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shown it, and he's taken on
some real defensive assignments in Charlotte this season.

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The catch and shoot stroke was already
there, moves well off the ball,

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good at running the floor. It's
just the self creation aspect of his

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game. And I think he's shown
ashes of being able to get to spots

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in the mid range. Can he
hit those shots consistently? Can he facilitate

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for his teammates? Those are all
questions that he's kind of answered in the

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negative a lot this year. But
he's also a rookie, and so it's

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just like how much do you want
him to answer in the affirmative, And

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so I can be talking about putting
him ahead of Shaden. I mean,

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like, I guess I don't feel
super strongly about moving him, you know,

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moving guys around in tears, although
I wouldn't put either of them ahead

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of Jabari Smith. I think the
case for Shaden is just that like nuclear

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athleticism, like that's just something Miller
doesn't have. That that doesn't always mean

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a whole lot, but I think
it. I think it. Maybe the

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difference is like Sharp has Sharp's ceiling
might just be higher because of his like

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physical tools. But like right now, it's also kind of easy to see

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Sharp being someone that is like a
Jalen Green type where we're kind of like,

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I don't know, and Jalen Green
is going to show up on this

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list, but he's not going to
be that high, whereas is another guy

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that like kind of like Smith,
He's gonna fit someplace as a starter for

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a really long time. And then
the question is like, can he nudge

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up stuff on the margins to be
more than that, you know what I

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mean? Yeah, it's like Miller
definitely has more of a guaranteed equilibrium where

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Sharp I don't know if he's gonna
be able to exist in like that in

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between space if he doesn't hit his
highest end outcome. So yeah, so

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like the the I think to your
point, the argument for putting Miller ahead

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of Sharp is that, like,
I can't really imagine Miller being someone five

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years from now we go, hey, remember when we thought Miller was gonna

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be really good and it turns out
he's just gonna be an empty stats guy.

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Yeah, and like that's more likely
to happen with Sharp, but he's

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still just such like a mystery box
because of all the he scored this season.

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Yeah, it is big. I'm
still not ready to exit this tier

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with the next couple guys that we
have come. I'm in love with number

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ten. But at number nine,
who do we have it is a sar

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Thompson. Yeah, Asar Thompson at
number nine. I still think he absolutely

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belongs in this tier. I think
it's just like the stuff he can do

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defensively and already as a connective passer. The big thing with him is just

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like is he ever gonna do enough
as a jump shooter and or is he

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ever gonna be a good enough passer
to where you want the ball in his

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hand so much that it doesn't matter
and you look to surround him with maybe

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a big can play pick and roll
with, and then three shooters. That

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does make him a little bit more
limiting than some other players, But like

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to already be a plus passer as
a rookie and then just to be able

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to do like some real iconic stuff
on the defensive end already, And there

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was just like for so long this
season he was among the top five leaders

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in stocks and like, of course
there yes, there was some pullback there

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people got healthy in Detroit. His
role has I don't know, I don't

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want to use the word like been
marginalized, but it's been marginalized. Like

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there's just games where it's like he's
not gonna play nearly enough and you're like,

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what the fuck, Monny Williams,
what are we doing? That a

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lot though Monny Williams is doing and
so I feel like that's made it.

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He's almost gotten harder to evaluate as
the season's gone on, which is weird

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to say nothing to change the outlook
on. It's just I will tell you

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of the players so far in this
tier, who's the one that you could

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see most likely jumping a tier if
like the one thing you're worried about pans

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out, and it's if Saratovs becomes
a league average shooter from deep, it's

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just like, oh, is he
kind of right after ban Caro here?

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Like is where does it go?
Right? Well, that's that's the thing,

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is like he requires the most projection
because the just a glare like thirteen

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percent from three and just like the
mechanics are not good. Like if he

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like he he does not belong in
this tier if his three point shot continues

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to just be a total zero like
he might not be, you know,

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because he's just not a helpful player
right now on balance, even though he's

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like maybe one of the best all
around defensive players in the league, like

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as a rookie. But yeah,
I feel good about like I don't know,

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like how well does he need to
shoot to be able to play?

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Yeah, and by the way,
just to frame it, he has not

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made a three in nearly a month
as we record this on January eighteenth.

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Yeah, it's not good. It's
a real problem in ways that like no

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one else we've covered so far,
hat like nobody else we've touched on,

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has a weakness, although like Scoot, I think probably still has a lower

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true shooting percentage just because he has
been missing from everywhere. But Thompson has

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a huge weakness. I just I
just think, like I'm with you defensively,

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the guy is like from another planet. Uh, this next guy at

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number ten, I am bullish on
and you could talk to me and to

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move him up block cool Bali of
Washington. I know a lot of people

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probably aren't watching the Wizards, and
that's not Oh hey, me and Grant

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watch basketball and you don't. Dad
Black coolbox is really good, and that's

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without the Wizards giving him real agency
over the offense. Yet the three ball

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further along than advertise. He is
fucking shit up in transition against opposing defenses.

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He can get when you give him
some space with the ball, well,

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he can do some things within in
his hand. I'd like to see

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him run in some more slow down
situations, have to work through some traffic.

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They're not having him do that a
ton right now, but I think

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maybe after the trade deadline we'll see
that happen more. I also think he's

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a player that could develop into He's
just disruptive on defense right now, and

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they're gonna be mistakes. But you
know what, They're throwing him on the

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opposition's best player and he's not foiling
a ton right now. So he might

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be getting torched, but he's also
not failing. And it's also the team

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is getting torched because it's the Wizards. This is someone who was billed as

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a project, and in some ways
he is. Offensively, there's that,

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Okay, what is the mold of
him? But man, this is someone

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could no I'm not gonna give him. Oh, he could be the best

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player on a contender, but like, did they just find one of the

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two most important players of their rebuild
they might have is good? Yeah,

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he's also only nineteen. He won't
turn twenty until July, so like I

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know, sometimes it's like, well, who gives who gives a shit?

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It's just like, well, he's
got more runway, and like he already

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needed less runway than we thought.
You know, he's more developed, had

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more polished skills than he was billed
to have had. So yeah, I

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can't move him up. But yeah, I am as high on him for

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slightly different reasons as I am on
Thompson. So I think he very much

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belongs where we've got him. So
the question then is are we moving down?

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I think we have to move down
a tier now, though, do

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you think or is this like a
case of Mantie Williams is screwed with our

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perception? Well, this is Jade
and Ivy we're talking about at number eleven

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unclear at number eleven, I just
this tier gets really crowded. So the

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so the argument you would make for
having Ivy below in this tier where we

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have him at the moment, which
is below from Jabari Smith to Koolbally is

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that like it had, the argument
has to be that the upside isn't there,

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which is a tough case to make
because of his athleticism. I think

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probably you'd say like his defensive mistakes
and like some of the times on offense

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where he just shows like horrible feel
and like dumb turnovers and stuff like that.

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Like some of that is concerning,
But he's a second year guard on

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a terrible team that has kind of
gotten jerked around and looked really good in

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the second half last year and then
just didn't really get a chance to reprise

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that starting this season. So I
just I don't know. I can't decide

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if he belongs in the tier above
with all those other guys. Screw me

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up here is that I think the
player at number twelve I absolutely have in

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the tier above, and so it
bears maybe recon calibration. So that's interesting.

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I don't think. I don't know
if I agree with that. I'm

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more now that I because I didn't
look at who was coming up next.

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I kind of feel better about having
Ivy and the next player in this tier

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with each other and not in the
tier above. So we'll it's like we're

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running out of tiers here, So, like you, I can't remember how

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many tiers we did initially. Yeah, we're like slightly over halfway through.

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Okay, how about this, I
think maybe we go Ivy and the next

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player, which is Keyante George,
in the tier above, because we I

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think we probably got to start a
new tier with number thirteen. Yeah,

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so, uh, Keyante George is
our number number. Uh, he's number

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twelve, which, by the way, I could make a case that I

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might have him above Ivy because I
kind of see the idea of him defensively

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more and I trust that is off
the dribble Jumper might come along and be

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like this super efficient weapon over Ivy's. But again, we had them eleven

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and twelve and they're in the same
tier now. But food for thought.

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Can I can I just ruin this
whole thing and say I kind of want

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to put thirteen in that same tier
now too. You know what this maybe

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we're sipping the sauce. But this
is honestly no that that's like a good

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idea because there's a chance that we
just haven't seen enough of him yet.

405
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,799
That's even But like some of the
stuff I have seen from and the guy

406
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:57,839
we're talking about it. So he's
at number He's our thirteen, right yep,

407
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,039
is Amah Thompson. So we're gonna
keep him in this tiar He's at

408
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,440
number thirteen, behind George and Ivy. He could very easily. I wouldn't

409
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,640
put him above Blall yet based off
what we've seen. Yeah, like he

410
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,599
came in and if again, if
this is a list we would have done

411
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,279
entering the season. Is he like
in the scoot? He's in the scoot

412
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:21,960
Shane here right, I think he
is. I just like, can't bild

413
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:27,240
as like slight more offensively advanced,
similar shooting questions. Funnily enough, he's

414
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:33,519
shooting fourteen percent for him three whereas
so he's crushing his brother who's at thirteen

415
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,599
percent. But just like hasn't played
he played twenty games, hasn't had big

416
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,000
minutes. I think the theory of
Amen Thompson is that he's like I think

417
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,880
the theory of a star Thompson is
he's like a playmaking wing, you know,

418
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,400
you know, fully realized. But
Amen Thompson, I think might be

419
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,279
viewed more correctly as like a like
a a point guard maybe sort of kind

420
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,799
of like you'd see that in the
way he plays, and that he's had

421
00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:03,319
a little bit more trouble being a
nective tissue player, whereas Usar Thompson very

422
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,559
much is more useful off the ball. Already, I've been impressed with a

423
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,240
lot of what Amen Thompson been able
to do defensively, Like he's just very

424
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:14,799
sturdy and everywhere. I mean both
both the Thompson's are just like athletically are

425
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,839
never overmatched like already. So do
you think Amen should be in front of

426
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:25,640
Keyante and or Jayden? Uh?
I mean, if it's so hard because

427
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,480
we just haven't seen him play enough, I'd feel okay about that. But

428
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:33,880
even I don't really have strong feelings
about reordering, like really anyone from like

429
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:38,960
Miller to Amen, honestly, because
you're a serial headger. If you just

430
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,200
want everyone in their own tier so
much, we don't have to argue over

431
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:48,000
like is thirteen better than fourteen or
twelve? Right now? Though rest of

432
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,519
their career, you're taking Ivy over
Thompson Amen Thompson. Yeah, I guess

433
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:55,920
if you frame it that way,
I'm probably not. I think I'd rather

434
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,319
have the unknown quantity of Amen more
so, Gum, I'm taking all over

435
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:04,799
and Thom's I don't fucking can well, would you take You've already said you

436
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:10,960
wouldn't take ball all over Asar?
Or would you because I take Usar,

437
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:15,799
I think I take a question.
I wouldn't. I don't know that i'd

438
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,640
take him over Brandon Miller. I
don't think I would. I would take

439
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:25,279
him over Asar Thompson, but I
do recognize that that's like controversial shit or

440
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,400
divisive shit. Yeah, all right, So I think this gets easier though,

441
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,000
because at fourteen, I think we
probably got to start a new tier.

442
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,400
I have a wild stat for our
number fourteen player, and I do

443
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:40,920
think I do think this probably doesn't
need to start a separate tier though you

444
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:47,359
want to reveal fourteen. Oh you
said, I'm sorry, Brandon, Brandon

445
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,839
Jimski pods pods now connector And we've
said it a bunch of this podcast is

446
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,640
a cliche, but he like actualizes
the cliche. Like this is just his

447
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:03,079
impact is wide ranging and balanced,
and it just like embodies the archetype that

448
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,559
demands you watch him in every single
capacity where it's on the ball, off

449
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,359
the ball, defense, offense.
This is someone who's smaller, but he

450
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,759
can guard up. He's not long
but he can guard against length, and

451
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:18,680
he just he fills the box score, but without filling the box score somehow,

452
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,599
and he just makes sense. This
is a wild stat though. Here's

453
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,799
every player grant to average at least
fifteen points, ten rebounds, five assists,

454
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:33,640
and two steals per one hundred possessions
before they turn twenty one. LaMelo

455
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,200
Ball, Nicole Okic, Tracy McGrady, your guy. And now potentially if

456
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,440
he finishes out the season like this, Brandon Perjemski, that's fucking absurd.

457
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:51,160
So it's the rebounding for him is
he's one of the best rebounding guards in

458
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,640
the NBA right now today, Like
he just he is. The numbers back

459
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,640
it up, and you can't watch
a Warriors game without him like flying in

460
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:04,519
from nowhere and out some somehow out
jumping forwards and just getting rebound whether the

461
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,960
long he hunts down, long rebounds, he goes and gets contested ones close

462
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,480
to the basket, elite rebounder.
How much does that matter for a guard?

463
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:15,640
I don't know, but like it's
a legit NBA skill and he has

464
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,079
it thirty nine point one percent from
three. I think if you have questions

465
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:23,680
about him, one of them has
to be like, I don't the mechanics

466
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,880
of his shot like he's unless his
shot mechanics change, he's really going to

467
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,480
struggle to be an off the dribble
three point shooter, which he has to

468
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:36,559
play, you know, well doesn't
have to because sometimes the Warriors have kind

469
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:38,920
of started him as a de facto
small forward. But like he's six'

470
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,680
three or I think he's listed a
little taller than that, but he play,

471
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:47,519
you know, looks like a six
to three guy. He if you

472
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:52,160
can't listen at six' five on
Basketball Reference, that's bonkers. He's gonna

473
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,240
need to be able to create his
own shot off the dribble more than he

474
00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:00,559
does now to like be more than
you know, a fringe starter I think.

475
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,720
But he scores it efficiently. He
takes tons of charges. I'm sure

476
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:09,039
he leads the Warriors and charges by
plenty, and he's just like the best

477
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:14,839
analysis I heard of him, I
forget where was basically he leaves the possession

478
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,119
in a better place than he found
it on offense, which is like,

479
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,079
yeah, feel that sounds good,
doesn't it? That feels good? So

480
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:27,880
not like superstar upside, not probably
not all star upside, like starter upside,

481
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,599
I think, and has started games
this year, so I like him

482
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:34,640
as a as the beginning of a
new tier. Number fifteen, same tier,

483
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:38,240
Derek Lively the second on Dallas.
Oh, they have their center of

484
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,720
the future. All of a sudden, he's good. Now they need him

485
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,640
to protect the paint because without him
they allowed parades to the basket. And

486
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,200
he just works on offense, not
because Luga Dacis is there, but because

487
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,640
he hustles his butt off knows how
to get back. I still love he

488
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:58,160
just has this He's so smart on
defense where he's after ending a possession with

489
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,720
a board, or even on offense, after he's finishing a dunk, he

490
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,519
gets off the room quick and he's
back on defense. He's just processing everything

491
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,400
so quickly. I never would have
thought going into this exercise, like when

492
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,079
they got Derek Lively in the raft, that we'd be putting him in front

493
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:16,200
of who is number sixteen, Jalen
Duran. And I'm just like, I

494
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:21,400
like Jalen Duran, but I'm just
very confident that Derek Lively a second right

495
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,039
now belongs in front of him.
Yeah, I think that's right, Duran.

496
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,039
Probably every I feel like we're saying
this about every Piston is like,

497
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:35,240
oh, the athletic upside and all
this stuff, Like he might have the

498
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:39,680
higher ceiling, but like Lively is
just like Lively is gonna be bare minimum

499
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:45,680
an awesome role playing starting center for
ten years, you know, like that's

500
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:47,799
just mark it down. Duran I
don't know yet because we haven't seen it.

501
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:52,119
So I feel good about Lively above
him. But the teering I think

502
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,559
works having them together. Sort of
just the defensive presidence that Lively already brings

503
00:33:55,559 --> 00:34:00,240
where Duran can still be. It's
tantalizing but also chaotic, is what I

504
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,359
think kind of sways it for me. Yeah, I agree, all right,

505
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,880
So I think the next guy who
are at seventeen already probably Nope,

506
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,360
did I skip one? No,
he's staying in this tier, is what

507
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,880
I'm telling you. Oh No,
I was gonna say, I think he

508
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,119
probably should stay in this tier.
And I was gonna ask if you're ready

509
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,880
ready to drop the gloves on that
one. Huh. Cason Wall is at

510
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,239
number seventeen. I know he can
be passive offensively, but when he's clicking,

511
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,519
he reacts really fast. He catches
the ball if he's if there's not

512
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:34,719
just like an open window to shoot. He's already off and running. He

513
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,880
probably needs to look to finish more
or pop up a floater or something.

514
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:42,079
He defers too often, but like
he keeps the ball moving in that scenario

515
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,280
because he's basically an off guard for
Oklahoma City a lot of the time right

516
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,119
now. He shoots well from the
corners and just shoots well in general off

517
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:52,719
the catch and then just you know
about guarding up and defending your ass off.

518
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,519
That's caseon Wallace to a tee,
and I am, look, this

519
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:00,440
is I don't think this is controversial
to point. I know he's played well,

520
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,320
you know for the recent stretch,
Blake, He's gonna be better than

521
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,639
Josh Getty. He's just gonna be
better in contribute to winning more than Josh

522
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:12,320
Getty does. I'm convinced. Yeah, we're gonna have to have a Giddy

523
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,559
discussion at some point later. But
I think I think I agree with that.

524
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:21,079
I certainly think like if it's oh
shit, we gotta think about Giddy's

525
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:24,159
next contract. Just the fact that
Cason Wallace is sitting right over there in

526
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:27,920
the first year of his rookie dealer, let's another team think about that.

527
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,239
Yeah, let's make that someone else's
problem, because we got a guy that,

528
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,440
like, on balance, is gonna
give you, especially if you're trying

529
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,760
to win playoff games, like I
think Cason Wallace just like makes more sense

530
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,920
as as a fifth I don't know
if you're going to start him necessarily,

531
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,000
but as a as a key piece. All right, we're on to number

532
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,440
eighteen. I think you should talk
about him because I'll just be irrational about

533
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,159
it. Well, so you're the
one that needs to tell about him,

534
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:53,559
and let's start with does john Thin
Kamingo we have him at number eighteen?

535
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:58,960
Does he does he belong in this
here or we you know, I'm gonna

536
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,840
say number nineteen definitely would start a
new tier. I'm asking, does Jonathan

537
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,039
Kaminga belong in the case of Wallace, Calender and Derek Lively pods tier.

538
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:12,920
I think he absolutely belongs in that
tier, and like you could, I'm

539
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,119
not gonna. I don't want to
make the case that you could move him

540
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:23,559
up a tier, but I might. What is that? So? What

541
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:30,760
is so can't miss about Jonathan Kaminga
For the folks at home and also myself,

542
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,519
who still doesn't necessarily understand what is
so can't miss well. I think

543
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:37,960
that's the problem is I don't know
if there is so you would say,

544
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:44,840
if you had to this just in
depth, nuanced decisive analysis, what's what's

545
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,360
his carrying skill? Because like you
look at say like Lively, he's gonna

546
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,400
be a great defensive center, he's
gonna protect the paint like you know,

547
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,880
go go down with I don't know, like Kaminga, he doesn't necessarily have

548
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,079
one of those. Like so,
he theoretically and has at time shown the

549
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:08,159
ability to be like an awesome on
ball defender against literally one through against anybody

550
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:12,639
one through four. Like that's he's
done that a little bit. His just

551
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,280
raw athleticism is you know, is
top one percent in the league. He's

552
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,800
got the ideal frame you want in
your combo forward. He is awesome at

553
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,800
drawing contact and finishing through it.
But like for every one of those things

554
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,239
you have, the he commits one
to two dumb fouls away from the basket

555
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,679
every game. It's hard to believe
he's gonna be like A. He's got

556
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:44,159
the individual shot creation like handle to
be that guy. It's also hard to

557
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:46,960
see him being like, oh,
he's got really good value off the ball

558
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,239
because he can space, like shooting
thirty percent from three this year, thirty

559
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,599
seven percent last year, but the
volumes not really there, has never been.

560
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,440
He's sixty eight percent from the line
for his career. So he's like,

561
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:00,519
I don't know if you price in
like always going to be a great

562
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:06,039
shooter. So it's really the athletic
frame, the ability to just overpower guys

563
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:08,480
at the basket. Some of his
drives look like lightning quick, but it's

564
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,199
all just like peppered in with stuff
that you're like, I don't know,

565
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,559
man, if this guy's ever going
to get it, So I think he

566
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:17,440
has to be in this tier.
I understand why you wouldn't move up,

567
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:22,599
but like again I will cop to
just being irrational about cominga because I kind

568
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,159
of sometimes only see the good.
Well, I mean we just went through

569
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:30,519
mine with blob. What do I
take them? So real? Where would

570
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:34,159
you in this tier? Would you
have him like leap frogging all the way

571
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,679
like above pods. I think if
you're talking ceiling, there's no question he

572
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,440
should be first in this tier.
But I just don't know how confident I

573
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,800
am he's going to hit it,
so, like I mean, really honestly,

574
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,960
like if you're talking ceiling. I
think he could be in the next

575
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,400
tier, like very comfortably because all
those guys have questions. It's just like,

576
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,639
you know, this is his third
year. He's kind of been jerked

577
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,079
around. I mean, he's conspicuously
been jerked around and like not really given

578
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,360
like he's in a situation that you
know, we've talked about this a little

579
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,079
bit, like, well, is
it harder for him because the Warriors cater

580
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:13,440
to the vets and they play a
system that like nobody else really does that

581
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:19,239
marginalizes guys that aren't Steph Curry and
Klay Thompson and Draymond Like or is it

582
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,599
like, well, it should be
easy for him because no defense has ever

583
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:24,880
focused on him because of the guys
he plays with, Like should he you

584
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,480
know? So, I just I
just still don't know what kind of player

585
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:30,960
he's gonna be. I think in
the best case scenario, he's like an

586
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:37,559
overpowering combo forward that shoots eight free
throws a game and it's just good enough

587
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:42,000
as a shooter to like have some
value off the ball. But like,

588
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:45,320
I really don't know that he's gonna
reach that ceiling. And like I don't

589
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,360
know if anybody really the Warriors I
think believe that he will. But like

590
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,480
everybody thinks that about their own guys. So I'm gonna call I'm gonna call

591
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:57,559
an audible here on number nineteen.
I think Jalen Green has shown enough to

592
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,039
take over the nineteen spot. Would
I'm going that? Do you think that

593
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:07,239
still needs to start another tier?
Oh? Well, hmmm, I think

594
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,719
he belongs in this tier. There's
just like, if you want to talk

595
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:16,079
about, like what Jonathan Kamingo's best
case outcome could be. Jalen Green has

596
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:22,440
a marketable skill, which is create
for himself and score a shit ton And

597
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,199
it's not always efficiently, but sometimes
it is. We've seen for entire long

598
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,840
stretches of the season during his first
two years. To close out, he's

599
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,599
gonna hit a bunch of these tough
off the dribble. Looks, Now,

600
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:37,320
how does he fit inside the larger
context? Houston is finding out look,

601
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,159
he's finding his way now. We're
also finding out that it's difficult to still

602
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:45,039
have that highest end outcome though with
most of year or a good chunk of

603
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,880
year three in the rear view,
I think that's still on the level of

604
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:54,039
Okay, this is someone who could
still be a very impactful starter on a

605
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,719
lot of good NBA teams with his
best case, Now, could he also

606
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,960
be damaging? There is that or
bust aspect of him where I don't think

607
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:07,039
you have that with Cason Wallace or
Pods, but you have it with Kaminga

608
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,480
and we have Kminga in this tier. Can I ask you a question now,

609
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:15,519
why what's the difference between Shade and
Sharp and Jalen Green? Is that

610
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:21,480
Shandon Sharp has a defensive pulse already, you think, and he's also He's

611
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,280
also bigger. He's also a year
younger. But I don't you, do

612
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,280
you? I kind of view them
similarly, like if if if you if

613
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,199
we were doing well, this is
a hard I mean, I think we

614
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:36,920
look at Sharp and say, like, statistically, you know he him and

615
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:38,760
I don't know him and Green are
just kind of of a type to me.

616
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,920
But I agree Sharp's bigger, has
more defensive because Jalen Green is like,

617
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,880
like really shooting guard sized at best
and is thin, So like defensively,

618
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,559
I don't think Jalen Green's I mean, He's got a long way to

619
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:55,880
go and just may never get there
because of the physical tools and just how

620
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,440
he kind of plays, So I
think I think that's fair. I just

621
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,400
they're really far apart Sharp and Green, and I don't know if that's quite

622
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:07,880
right, you know what I mean. Yeah, So then it's like are

623
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,440
we too high on Sharp or too
low on Green? Type deal. I

624
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,760
just think that part of Sharp's the
plow is we've seen less of him,

625
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,800
and like we saw so little of
him for most of last season that it's

626
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,719
like, well, he still warrants
the developmental reps where Jaalen Green was given

627
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,000
the keys basically from day one,
and this is what it's become. And

628
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:28,960
now when you've tried to scale him
back, I think there's probably more value

629
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,519
in now you're scaling Sharp up from
a lower baseline that it will end up

630
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:35,760
helping him. And I just trust
when you look at his physical tools,

631
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,400
he's gonna give you more defensive optionality. And I just feel like way more

632
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:43,079
rim pressure, foul drawing potential as
well. I think that's right, I

633
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:46,760
think too, Like, I mean, Chilean Green has started one hundred and

634
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:52,440
eighty two NBA games, so like
we we kind of know more about him

635
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,639
than almost anybody else we've talked about. But I think that's probably. We

636
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:58,719
definitely know more about him than anyone
else we've talked about with me, I

637
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,719
know there needs to know about THEO, So yeah, you've got all you

638
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,679
need. Uh Okay, Yeah.
I think Green for sure needs to be

639
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,760
in this tier, and just the
question is like, could you move him

640
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:14,239
because I just feel like you look
at Pajemski leading this tier and it's kind

641
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,840
of like if you offer me talking
about the rest of their careers, and

642
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,239
it's sort of like the boomer bust
almost works against Jalen Green at this point

643
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,519
because if you're not going to have
them as your first or second best player,

644
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:28,280
you almost prefer to have people who
are just going to be scalable.

645
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,159
Yes, you're right, you're right. Now, you're another audible here because

646
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:36,400
I don't think he's in oversight when
we first went through this exercise, and

647
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,280
I still think it begins to start
of a new tier. But two players

648
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,920
that I think belong here, and
one of them would have been I think

649
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,440
Josh Giddy's got to be like twenty. I think again this year. He

650
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:51,039
rebounds, he's big, he's a
good passer. Yep, I'm good with

651
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:52,559
I'm good with Giddy. Giddies needs
to be in the next tier though,

652
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,159
right, Yeah, that's what I'm
saying. It starts a new tier.

653
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:59,760
Yeah. Uh. Now, I
still have doubts, and I think the

654
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,199
off this year are going to say
a lot about what does he do when

655
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:07,639
defenses ignore him? Are the Thunder
even gonna trust him in the highest stakes

656
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,159
lineups that they have in the postseason. I think we've already seen that they're

657
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:14,639
not going to, just in the
sense that Jalen Williams has been the more

658
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:20,159
important self starter in those non SGA
lineups for much of if not all,

659
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,760
of this season. And I just
yo, Gidea is fine defensively. Some

660
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,960
people have called him a sieve.
I don't think he's on that level.

661
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,480
The Thunder do a good job of
insulating him when you look at who's around

662
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,039
him, especially this season. He
is such a good passer, and just

663
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:35,559
for someone his size to be that
good of a passer, and he's shooting

664
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,840
one like thirty seven percent from three
this year on ultra wide open looks that

665
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,320
can sometimes take a long time to
get off. But this is someone also

666
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,880
who I recognize that we could look
back on this at the end of this

667
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,719
season, let's say, start of
next season and be like, oh,

668
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,000
did he need to be in the
keyante George Tire or something? Yeah,

669
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:57,079
right, I think I think I
agree with everything you said. It's just

670
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,280
like, one again, we've seen
kind of a lot of him one hundred

671
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,679
and sixty nine starts. He started
every game he's played as a pro,

672
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,360
which is wild because he was nineteen
as a rookie or that was dage nineteen

673
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:14,480
season. That just like, there's
a scenario where he doesn't help the thunder

674
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,679
on either end, and it's just
like we can't move him up for that

675
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,079
reason, right, Like it's just
it's there's too many like demonstrated flaws,

676
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:28,119
and like theorizing how he fits onto
a good team in a playoff scenario is

677
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,840
like that's again, that's not like
a consideration we're necessarily making for all these

678
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:37,119
guys. But it's just like he
might be better off running. I mean,

679
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:39,800
he's he's been impactful for what might
be the best team in the West

680
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,960
for all we know. I think
the Clippers and the Wolves want a word

681
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,239
there, for sure, but I
just don't. I don't trust it.

682
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:52,880
If he were on a team where
he was the primary ball handler, I

683
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,079
think it would be like, unfortunately, I think that's probably the best role

684
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,480
for him because of the shooting issues. That doesn't address the fact that he

685
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,960
defensively has a bunch of problems or
the fact that he still doesn't have value

686
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,800
off the ball. Really, so
I'm I think right, actually agree though,

687
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,599
And so there is And also when
you look at the like splits and

688
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:16,559
this is I would argue, is
a vote against him more than anything.

689
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:23,880
Like his efficiency without Sga on the
court is horrid. Yeah, I think

690
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,320
like people are gonna bump on this. I mean, we had him like

691
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,719
out entirely. I think I'll bet
you people will be people will say like

692
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,039
how and like, look at the
tier above him, You're really gonna have

693
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:40,840
Giddy career averages of fourteen, seven
and five below Brandon Pajemski, Like who's

694
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,360
Like what has he been in the
league for two months? Like that's crazy.

695
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,800
But it's just it's a skill set
thing. It's the shooting and the

696
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,360
defense and the like what do you
do with this guy? Like it's just

697
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,159
those questions are harder to answer with
Giddy than it is for a lot of

698
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:57,800
these others. Yeah, and the
other player that I think belongs to this

699
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,239
tier and I've started to actually warm
up on him more in recent weeks.

700
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:06,719
Benanickmathern would be twenty one. Okay, just there's I know your neither of

701
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,239
us are like Benedicmathrine die Hards.
I don't know what he's gonna be defensively,

702
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:15,519
I don't trust the passing, but
as a decision maker, as the

703
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:19,760
decision making as a score, I
feel like is a little bit more refined,

704
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,119
and I think he can get to
a point where maybe he's running consistently

705
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:29,360
or driving some of these non or
maybe one star maybe no star units now

706
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,360
that they have Siakam and Haliburton,
not as a playmaker, but just as

707
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:37,880
like this safety outlet score and as
a scorer who's efficiency or effectiveness impact is

708
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,519
not tied to oh my playing with
Haliburton or am I not? So?

709
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,960
Yeah? I think that. I
think that's a big bonus of his favorite.

710
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,199
He's another one just like Giddy that
I could see moving up. It's

711
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:55,679
just I'm gonna trust steadiness, and
that's like what basically the tier above this.

712
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,840
There's a lot more aside from Cominga
and Green, which are kind of

713
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,920
like our swings. But I also
like with him and giddy. I don't

714
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,000
know that. I you know where
I see a pathway of Oh. I

715
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,079
could see Kaminga and Green like jumping
up to that next tier. I could

716
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:12,880
see them moving up to the next
tier that's in front of them, but

717
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,559
not into the you know blaal I'm
and Thompson J and Ivy Kiante George.

718
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:21,480
Yeah, I think that's right.
I think the sticking point with Matherin for

719
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:27,199
me is he just like he screams
six man and like six men are valuable,

720
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,960
Like that's but but it feels like, you know, we're all we

721
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:32,280
want these guys to be superstars,
you know, like that that's what you're

722
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,199
going for in these under twenty two
types. You want you want the prospect

723
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,039
upside, and I you know,
it probably is too early to write any

724
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:43,920
of these guys off from being anything, but Matherin just feels like he's a

725
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,199
bucket getter that can get to the
line. And like we talked to Caitlin

726
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,719
Cooper, like a lot of the
questions before the season were like, is

727
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,599
Mathern gonna be able to hit them
threes? Thirty seven percent this year?

728
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,679
So like that's up from thirty two
percent last year. So I think if

729
00:48:55,679 --> 00:49:00,800
he's gonna be like a fifteen points
per game on DC, an efficiency guy

730
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,159
who gets to the foul line,
that's a high floor. It's just like,

731
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,280
you're not he probably isn't gonna you
know, he started the year in

732
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,519
the first unit for the Pacers.
He hasn't been in it for a while.

733
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,840
I don't think he's gonna get back
into it most likely. So like

734
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,679
that's almost like, you know,
that sort of is telling me what type

735
00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:22,360
of player he is. This circles
back to Giddy, but I was looking

736
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,679
up wild stat Giddya is shooting thirty
nine point four percent from three with Jay

737
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,440
Gillis Alexander on the floor. He's
shooting about fifteen point four percent from three

738
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:37,119
with SGA off the floor. So
you're saying SGA generates some decent looks by

739
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:40,039
I did say on the previous podcast
that the Thunder have the highest three point

740
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:44,599
shot callity, meaning the easiest three
point attempts. Jay Gillis, Alexander and

741
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:46,960
Jay Dubb are like basically the main
reasons why right, yeah, because all

742
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,719
they do is just attack the paint
and kick. Okay, I'm good with

743
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,119
matherin there. Who's our final inclusion
at number twenty two. I know who

744
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:55,880
it is when we initially did this, but there's two options we have,

745
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,199
so like, let's just roll through
them. We have Dice and Daniel Anthony

746
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:06,599
Black, Like, who are some
of the other names that spring to mind?

747
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,960
For for you? For this we
have Jeremy Soehen Peyton Watson, Jordan

748
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,360
Hawkins, Moses Moody, Jayden Hardy, aj Griffin who doesn't play for some

749
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,880
reason. Your guy who's Mon Jang? I will say, you know who

750
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,920
I would include on this list.
He just hasn't played enough this year.

751
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:29,079
Taylor Hendrix is just like I'm ready
to put him in front of like Powell

752
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:35,760
Bankaro, I think of the So
we only have one spot right, Yeah,

753
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,320
to me, it has to be
between the guys we initially had in

754
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:45,599
the top twenty two, which is
Anthony Black and Dyson Daniels. I think

755
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,519
I would go Daniels. I think
what about you. I think I would

756
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,599
probably go Daniels to you. I'm
just agreeing. Now I'm trying to decide

757
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:59,760
if I are we too low on
so hand, like just because the way

758
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:01,800
or sparamented him at the beginning of
the year, I think I am not

759
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:07,519
sure about because like the you know, talk about a guy that was like

760
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:09,960
put in a position, difficult position, Like I don't know what to make

761
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,880
of this season at all, because
all of his numbers are like wrecked by

762
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,760
having to play point guard, and
now they use him as a center sometimes.

763
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,960
So it's like I feel like that's
almost an argument for him that his

764
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,559
team would even consider trying him at
both of those spots, like good passer,

765
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:32,320
good defender, somehow from three.
But he's at sub fifty two true

766
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,480
shooting for a second consecutive year.
And that's not to say that, you

767
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,920
know, Tyson Daniels is you know, sixty five truugh shooting or anything.

768
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:45,440
But all right, I think I
think I would vote for so hand.

769
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:51,119
He's still twenty, so you want
to defer to you, So I think

770
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:53,440
I want to do that because I
think although Daniel Daniels is the I think

771
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:59,920
I like Daniel's better than Anthony Black, But Daniel's just there's the passing,

772
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,559
the passing feel and then like absolutely
gobsmacking defense. Right, Yeah, that's

773
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:07,800
true. I mean he's a straight
up better. Is he the best defender?

774
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,719
I'm trying to I'm just looking back
at the I mean we already talked

775
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,960
about a sar Thompson. So the
answer is no, he's not the best

776
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,360
defender on this. Let's do,
let's go, let's go go, so

777
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,119
Hann, I'm pulling up Diyson daniels
numbers right now just to make sure.

778
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,639
I mean, he's some fifty two
true shooting as well, So don't even

779
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:27,239
worry about I think. I think
Anthony Black probably is too. Uh.

780
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,199
He's Anthony Black is so young though, and he already navigately gate, He

781
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:35,280
already navigates the floor so effectively on
the defensive end. I just don't know

782
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,559
what to make of him, as
you know, do you want him to

783
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:39,360
be your primary? Is he ever
gonna have enough of a of a jump

784
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,360
shot? I mean he's hitting fifty
eight percent of his twos this year.

785
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:49,400
He actually has a fifty seven true
shooting impressive and a one point steel rate

786
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,679
one point seven block rate. Is
as a point guard. His turnover percentages

787
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,079
through the roof, though, And
so like I trust, believe it or

788
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:58,800
not, I trust Sohn and Daniels, Is I really split it? We

789
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,559
split the baby here in the end, there's diceon Daniels is really what it

790
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:07,519
should be. I don't know.
I think it's so inn just because I

791
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:13,519
like the the the positional versatility and
the say that, so we'll put someone

792
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:15,880
at twenty two. But would you
say, like daniels in Black are probably

793
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,920
in the same tier. I don't
know if any of the other names that

794
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,400
are still here, yes this movie, smont Jang, Peyton Watson, Watson

795
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:27,199
might belong in this tier. I
think as a serial hedger, I feel

796
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,519
like I like Anthony Black and Daniels
in there in that tier, and we

797
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:34,360
just had to cut it off at
twenty two because twenty two under twenty two

798
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,199
it's the gimmick of it. We
went twenty four and there they're like another

799
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:42,320
and I think, so we'll we'll
get to twenty five here and Peyton Watson

800
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:45,320
round, Yeah, get an order
in this tier. But with so Anne

801
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,039
Dison, Daniels Black, and Peyton
Watson, I like it. Good job

802
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,679
by us, so I'll run through
you order very quickly. Victor Wemberyama at

803
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:59,679
number one in his own tier.
Tier two is Chet Holmgren at number two,

804
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:02,760
Pale Benkarro at number three, Al
prinschan Gun at number four, Scoot

805
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,440
Henderson at number five in entering Tier
three. Jabari Smith Junior is six,

806
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,679
Shandon Sharp is seven, Brandon Miller
is eight, Asar Thompson is nine,

807
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,599
Block Cool Bali is way too low
at ten am and Thompson at eleven,

808
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:21,000
Jane n Ivy at twelve, Kyante
George at thirteen. We are now entering

809
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:24,639
Tier four. Brandon Pejemski at fourteen, Derek Lively the second at fifteen,

810
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:30,280
Jalen Duran at sixteen, Cason Wallas
at seventeen, Jonathan Coming at eighteen,

811
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:36,239
Jalen Green at nineteen. That just
seems so low. Yeah, Tier five,

812
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,400
Josh Giddio at twenty speaking of too
low, bennecmather at twenty one,

813
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:43,159
and we have Jeremy so In at
twenty two. And then however, you

814
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:46,280
shake it, Dyson Daniels, Anthony
Black, Payton Watson, it's like your

815
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:51,800
final to round it out in the
top twenty five. That's twenty two B,

816
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:57,960
C and D. I think it's
twenty two A. There you go,

817
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,039
so twenty two A and then probably
by twenty two easy ND. That's

818
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:07,639
our top twenty five Ish players under
the age of twenty two. Hopefully you

819
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:15,360
enjoyed it, but it's time to
move on. It's stat padding, grant.

820
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,199
As I fixed the screen, Do
you want to give me some stuff

821
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:22,360
that you have for me? I'm
assuming absolutely, Dan. I just have

822
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,639
to pull up this stat head page
here just so I can make sure that

823
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,440
I'm not gonna give you questions that
you cannot answer or that do not honestly,

824
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:40,960
I appreciate that. All right,
Dan, there since two two thousand

825
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,840
and one, so we're just doing
like this century, I guess we'll call

826
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,840
it. There have been several games
that involved a player scoring fifty points without

827
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,760
making a three pointer. So I'm
gonna give you four players. You tell

828
00:55:52,800 --> 00:56:00,280
me who has scored fifty points without
making a three in a game? Number

829
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:06,519
one, Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neill, Kevin Garnett, Karl Malone, Shaquille

830
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:08,880
O'Neal. It is Tim Duncan.
I apologize, And so he the one

831
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,559
didn't Shackliet won three for his career. Yeah, that's why I was pulling

832
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,199
this this stat ed thing up,
because that that made me think, like,

833
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:21,719
that's ridiculous. That can't be right. Uh, you probably won't want

834
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,039
to cut that one up because I
don't know if that's accurate. How about

835
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:31,599
this one. Let's see Dan,
who has the most fifty point games without

836
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:37,320
making a three since two thousand and
two thousand and one? Uh, Jannis,

837
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:46,000
Anthony Davis, Joel Embiid or Alan
Iverson. Oh, I'm just gonna

838
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:51,000
say, what were the options?
Johannish Joelle. I'm gonna say, Anthony

839
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:54,400
Davis. You're correct, But it's
a trick question because Giannis has exactly as

840
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:59,440
many as Anthony Davis, which is
three, Joel Embiid as two. Alan

841
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:06,599
Iverson too. This is a fun
one fifty point game, Dan with no

842
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:12,599
free throws made? Right? This
has happened. First of all, tell

843
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:16,159
me who of these players have done
it? Jamal Murray, Stephen Curry,

844
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:22,840
Damian Lillard or Ray Allen. Ooh, Ray Allen. It is Jamal Murray

845
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:28,320
who did not even attempt a free
throw in his fifty point game. How

846
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,760
about that? Wow, that's pure
bucket getting. That's that's ethical basketball,

847
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:42,039
right, fucking Steph just getting buckets. Okay, So this is bizarre,

848
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,639
and there's like a bunch of these, so I had to filter it a

849
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:51,320
certain way. So this is since
twenty fifteen sixteen. Tell me who has

850
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:57,079
the most fifty point games in which
their team was outscored while they were on

851
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,559
the floor, So they got fifty
in the game and had a negative plus

852
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:06,679
minus for the game. Who's got
the most of these players? Steph Curry,

853
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:14,559
Jamal Crawford, James Harden or Zach
Levine. Zack Lavine. It is

854
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:19,719
James Harden. Three times, three
times since twenty fifteen sixteen, he's gotten

855
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,320
fifty and his team has been out
I guess that just speaks to how often

856
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,800
he's scored. That's the thing you
gotta think of, Like, who's got

857
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,239
the most? I should have got
that one, all right, same question,

858
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,320
most fifty point games since twenty fifteen
sixteen while their team got out scored

859
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:37,639
with them on the floor. Brad
Beal, Kevin Durant, Dame Wllard or

860
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:44,800
Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard. It
is Brad Beal. He's got three of

861
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,000
them. He played for the Wizards. I should have known thathing he did.

862
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:52,760
He did. Let's see just some
fun facts, just because so Booker's

863
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:58,800
sons got outscored by six with him
on the floor in his seventy point game

864
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,960
against Boston in twenty six seventeen.
That's hard to do. How many by

865
00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:06,800
six, So he had seventy points
and his team got outscored by six while

866
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,880
I was on the floor. Beial's
Wizards got outscored by nine in his sixty

867
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:15,239
point game against the Sixers in twenty
twenty one. How about this? Steph

868
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,840
Curry has two. There have been
four instances in which a player had fifty

869
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,039
points in a game and his plus
minus was minus ten or worse, which

870
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:27,400
is like, how does that even
happen? Steph has two of them.

871
00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:31,159
He's got a minus fourteen against Phoenix, which is the worst of anybody,

872
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:35,920
and a minus eleven that was in
twenty two to twenty three, and minus

873
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,159
eleven against the Clippers also in twenty
two to twenty three, when he had

874
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:42,400
over fifty dub shit. Trade him, get rid of him. He's the

875
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,239
problem. That's been the case all
along. Do you have an even for

876
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,599
me? I have some some retired
Jersey can't how many barks? You just

877
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,280
want to wrap up yours and we'll
go sure? All right, let me

878
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:57,400
pull this up here. I wasn't
sure how to format this. I think

879
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,840
I want to give you a team
and three strikes, and then see if

880
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:07,079
you can name five players with retired
jerseys for that team. Okay, I'll

881
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:09,679
start easy with for you. You
get I don't think anybody. I don't

882
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:15,599
know how this team has any numbers
left that are unretired. Dan, I'll

883
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:21,280
give you three strikes. Can you
name five Boston Celtics with retired jerseys?

884
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:28,400
Larry Bird that's one? Paul Pierce
did they retire his jersey? Let me

885
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:36,880
find them? That's two? Bill
Russell that is three? Oh my god,

886
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:45,800
why is this so hard? Kevin
Garnett that is four? Robert Parrish?

887
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:47,639
Oh, I don't know if that's
gonna get it for you. Yes,

888
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:52,320
that's five. Good job, No
strikes necessary, I'm gonna get Okay,

889
01:00:52,320 --> 01:01:00,440
you gotta do a harder one.
Let's see. I thought that's unfair.

890
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:02,199
I was gonna give you one that
you would have had to get a

891
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:10,159
coach. All right, how about
let's do this, Dan, Can you

892
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:16,239
name I'm gonna give you three strikes, but you only need to name three

893
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:25,000
Golden State Warriors with retired jerseys?
Okay? Will Chamberlain correct, Chris Mullen

894
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:32,840
correct. I feel like this should
be easy, but I can't blanking after

895
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,920
those two. This guy was the
reason they won the nineteen seventy five championship,

896
01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:44,800
which was the only championship they had
until the most recent ones, or

897
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,719
the most recent championship that has not
helped me, even though it probably should.

898
01:01:49,800 --> 01:02:00,599
Had multiple sons play in the NBA, allegedly wore a hairpiece during his

899
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:06,079
career. I can't even come up
with a wrong guess shot, free throws,

900
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:17,400
granny style, Oh oh my god? What as a like? Probably

901
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:22,880
from middle school through college, one
of his sons was one of my favorite

902
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:30,480
players. You got three strikes.
This is the issue. You can't.

903
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:32,880
You don't have a wrong I'm trying
to think of legendary warriors and just like

904
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,519
I can't, I can't come up
with them. This is named Don Nelson,

905
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:39,760
but that's clearly wrong. I'm trying
to think of more hints I could

906
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:53,880
give you. Let's see white guy
Kozi. No wrong franchise? Why why

907
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,559
can't I think of any I'm on
the spot. I can't think of any

908
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:00,840
other legendary warriors. It's so hard
when you're on spot like this. I'm

909
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,400
sitting here thinking like, come on, damn, but it's like it's not

910
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,760
this. I'm looking at the name. So it's a little different for me.

911
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,599
How many jerseys have they retired?
Not a lot, one, two,

912
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:15,320
three, four, five six.
I mean, I feel like I

913
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:23,119
should know that I give up rick
Berry. Damn it. If they retired

914
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:30,920
uh Thomas Sherry, al Addles and
Nate Thurmond. That too bad because I

915
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,519
only should have known rick Berry.
I never would have guessed the other three.

916
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:37,440
All right, I'll give you one
more and this one I think you

917
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:40,760
should get. I think you should
get. I'll give you. You gotta

918
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,480
get three. I'm gonna give you
three strikes. Houston Rockets name me three

919
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:52,320
retired jerseys for Houston Rockets. Hakeem
Olajuan yep, Yao Ming Yep, Quaid

920
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:57,599
Drexler yep. Irised. I'm kind
of surprised they retired Yao's jersey. That

921
01:03:57,679 --> 01:04:00,159
feels weird. He was there for
like five minutes. He's a franchise icon,

922
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:04,480
and like there's an entire continent that
follows the Rockets now because he's there,

923
01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:08,880
like the reason China cares about basketball. Okay, you gotta get five.

924
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:14,320
I'm gonna give you three strikes.
Los Angeles Lakers retired jerseys Kareem abdul

925
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,519
Jabar, Yeah, Magic Johnson,
Yeah, Kobe Bryant. Yeah, Kobe

926
01:04:18,519 --> 01:04:25,119
Bryant again, I don't. I
mean, technically it's Kobe Bryant twice.

927
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:30,159
But that'llkay. I'm gonna cost one
shack. Yeah, and they retired Wilts.

928
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:35,119
Oh wait did they Let's see,
did they retire Shacks? They did

929
01:04:35,199 --> 01:04:39,480
retire Shacks Jersey. And they did
retire Wilts Jersey. Do you want to

930
01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:44,960
go for a bonus? You name
any others? Yeah? I mean I

931
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:48,360
should be able to. Uh,
why am I gonna? I don't want

932
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:54,159
to say his name? Only guy
to win finals MVP while losing the finals?

933
01:04:55,559 --> 01:05:00,639
Oh, I should know the answer
to this one. There's so many

934
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,679
iconic Lakers. How am I not
just spitting these out? And they retired

935
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:05,639
like ninety jerseys, there's a lot. I think the Celtics are the only

936
01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:10,559
one with more, just based on
the sheer length of this list. Let's

937
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:14,440
see. I mean, if I
gave you one more clue about the guy

938
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,079
who lost the finals in one MVP, you would get it. He's the

939
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:20,400
logo. Oh Jerry West. He
actually have got that one. The other

940
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:25,519
one is, like, I mean, most famous for playing for the Minneapolis

941
01:05:25,639 --> 01:05:33,079
Lakers in like the fifties, wore
glasses. There's a famous layup drill named

942
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:40,159
after him. None of this is
helping you, no, George Miken,

943
01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:45,599
all right, I think that's enough
torture for you. All right, are

944
01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:50,559
you ready to be tortured? I've
always got some money questions for you.

945
01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:59,760
Grant which NBA player has made more
money for their career so far? Steph,

946
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:10,679
Kevin Durant, Chris Paul or Russell
Westbrook. I'm gonna say Chris Paul

947
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,719
just because he's been around forever.
That is incorrect. He is the second

948
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,880
most on this list. Kevin Durant, at three hundred and ninety six point

949
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:21,039
seven million, comes in first place. Steph is in third at about three

950
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:26,079
fifty five. Russell Westbrook at three
forty three is fourth. That four for

951
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:29,559
forty four deal that Steph signed that
won them all those championships that really hurt

952
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:32,039
something. Not last place though,
Good for him. Yeah. Which NBA

953
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:36,039
players made more money for their career
so far? Paul, George, Kyrie,

954
01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:42,320
Irving, Kawhi Leonard or Damian Lillard. Oh, Dam's got that big

955
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:48,840
contract right now. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say Dame. That is

956
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:53,239
incorrect. He is. He is
second though, So you got second place

957
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,440
again, Paul George at three hundred
and five point three million. Wow,

958
01:06:57,679 --> 01:07:01,519
I would not David two seventy nine, Kawiet about two seventy seven, Kyrie

959
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:06,599
A two seventy Okay, Which NBA
player has made more money for their career

960
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:13,599
so far? Jannis A Tetakumbo,
Bradley Beal, Jimmy Butler or Klay Thompson.

961
01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:21,559
I think I gotta go with I'm
gonna go Bradley Beal. That is

962
01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:27,320
correct, he who signed the full
on supermacs first before any of these guys.

963
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,880
Actually, he's the only one who
signed the full on SuperMac so he

964
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,480
hasn't even played out most of it. Yeah, but seven point nine million

965
01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:38,760
first place, Okay. Clay had
a couple submax steals in like second two

966
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:43,360
sixty six, Butler's two sixty three
and third. Giannis he'll finish in first.

967
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,760
I'm sure eventually he's probably the only
guy in that group that's getting another

968
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,119
Max steal. I think for like
the full vote. Okay, good question.

969
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:55,639
Now block of ten with the same
question of either or so, it's

970
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:00,679
which NBA player has made more money
for their career so far. Demarrosen or

971
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:05,880
Tobias Harris, I'll say Tobias Harris, it is DeMar de Rosen two hundred

972
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:10,039
and fifty seven point six to two
hundred and forty eight point five million.

973
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:16,920
Joel Embiide or Rudy Gobert oh is
Rudy correct, two hundred and seventeen point

974
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,960
two million to two hundred and fourteen
point four. I like how it was

975
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:27,840
so confident it was three million apart. Nikole Jokich or Brook Lopez Brook Lopez

976
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,880
No Nikoli Jokich one ninety eight point
one million to one ninety seven point one

977
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:36,479
those years at the BI Annual for
Brooke and all that that hurt him.

978
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:44,560
Yeah. Danilo Gallinari or Christops porzingis
hmmm, Gallo has been around so much

979
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:49,119
longer. I'll say Gallinari correct,
And it's not even close. Two hundred

980
01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:54,000
and one point seven million for Gallo
to one seventy five point one for Christops

981
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:57,439
Man. Gallo was made over two
hundred million dollars for his NBA career.

982
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,920
Good for him, and he's had
at least one to ACL right two,

983
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,239
at least two torn acls, might
even three at this point. So he's

984
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:09,960
lost a bunch of years. I
guessis has lost zero All Star appearance is

985
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,279
a very good player. Zero All
Star appearents made over two hundred million dollars

986
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,399
for his career. Put put a
pin in this. We got to figure

987
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:18,600
out who's made the most money in
his career without an All Star appearance.

988
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:25,000
It's probably Commy. But yeah,
well Mike Commley made it all. I

989
01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:28,399
forgot he did finally make I mean, it's Gallo, right, I mean,

990
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:33,560
if it's not congratulations to somebody else, Carl Anthony Towns or Andrew Wiggins.

991
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:39,000
Oh, I think it's Wiggins.
He's just been around longer. It's

992
01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:42,279
correct. Not that close either,
one ninety five point two million to one

993
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:49,399
eighty two point three million. Devin
Booker or Derek Rose. Oh, I'm

994
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:54,439
gonna I'm gonna say Booker, that
is correct. One hundred and sixty six

995
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:58,319
point five million to one sixty six
point one million. I'm getting on my

996
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,560
decimals, now, come on.
I mixed in a bunch of like there's

997
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,960
like large differentials, some obvious ones
like you probably felt I was trying to

998
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:11,640
trick you with Tobias Harris versus DeMar
I did, and you did. Blake

999
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:16,800
Griffin or Chris Middleton. I'll say
Blake, that is correct. Two hundred

1000
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,119
and fifty seven point six million to
two hundred and twenty three point one million.

1001
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:28,560
That's that's surprisingly close too. Anthony
Davis or Gordon Hayward. It's gotta

1002
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,439
be Anthony Davis. It is not
Anthony Davis. Gordon Ayward two hundred and

1003
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:35,479
sixty eight point four million, Anthony
Davis two hundred and sixty six point six

1004
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:44,119
million, unbelievable. Good for Gordon
Hayward, Brandon Ingram or Pascal Siakam or

1005
01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:47,199
we're not counting the super the max
that he's gonna sign with the Pacers probably

1006
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:54,920
so far was the question. I'm
gonna say Ingram, then that is correct.

1007
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,479
One hundred and forty five point six
million to one hundred and forty three

1008
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:06,439
point two million. Boyon Bogdanovic or
Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum, that is

1009
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:12,000
incorrect. Jason Tatum has made one
hundred and twenty point six million. Bogdanovich

1010
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,119
has made one hundred and twenty three
point six million. Okay, I don't

1011
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:20,600
he's He's done well, okay,
uh, couple so just three more that

1012
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:25,119
are just the you know, this
was inspired by when Wemby got his triple

1013
01:11:25,159 --> 01:11:30,600
double. Okay, Which NBA player
has recorded the most triple doubles before their

1014
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:36,439
twenty first birthday in NBA history?
LaMelo Ball, Luka, Doncic, Lebron

1015
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:43,720
James or Magic Johnson. I'll say
Luca, that is correct twenty one.

1016
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,399
The next closest is Magic at twelve. LaMelo has six, Lebron has five.

1017
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:56,479
Who is the youngest NBA player on
record to notch a triple double?

1018
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:02,600
LaMelo Ball, Luka, Doncic,
Josh Giddy, Lebron James or Victor Wembin

1019
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:08,560
Yama. Five choices. Giddy was
the first name that came to mind,

1020
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,880
so I'll say Giddy that is correct. Nineteen years old in eighty four days.

1021
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:19,600
Unbelievable. Who is the oldest NBA
player on record to record a triple

1022
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:27,319
double? Five choices? Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Jason Kidd, Karl

1023
01:12:27,399 --> 01:12:35,239
Malone, John Stockton. I'm gonna
say Lebron that is incorrect. He is

1024
01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:41,199
the third oldest at thirty eight years
old, three hundred and fifty thirty eight

1025
01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:44,920
years, three hundred and fifty three
days old. Karl alone first place forty

1026
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,039
years and one hundred and twenty seven
days. You should have known that's the

1027
01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:51,439
answer, because I would never have
scumbag human beings on purpose as part of

1028
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:56,479
trivia, So I didn't pick him. Oh man, I must have been

1029
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,479
a Lakers triple double? Right?
Or was he? I don't know,

1030
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,399
want to put you on the spot
for that, but if he was forty,

1031
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,439
it had to be right. He
wasn't in Utah for as he was

1032
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,279
in that loan season. I'll double
check to make sure that he wasn't in

1033
01:13:06,399 --> 01:13:11,119
Utah when he was forty. But
I would have thought, uh no,

1034
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:14,479
yeah, he was age forty.
Season was with the Lakers, So when

1035
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,000
did when's his birthday? Though?
His birthdays in July, so yeah,

1036
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:21,479
he turned forty in July and then
played out that season. So yes,

1037
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:26,199
it was with the Lakers. Geez, okay, that's all I got for

1038
01:13:26,279 --> 01:13:27,680
you. Do you want to take
us out of here? That's it?

1039
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,119
Sure? Good good question. I
like the money ones everybody. Thank you

1040
01:13:30,199 --> 01:13:33,880
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1041
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,880
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1042
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,520
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1043
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,680
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1044
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,800
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1045
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,039
Twitter. I'm never gonna not do
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1046
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:54,439
what like? You can't call it
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1047
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,720
it sounds like an only fan side. And what do you are we xing

1048
01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:00,840
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1049
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,720
you're just just making a post.
If you want to get involved, if

1050
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,239
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1051
01:14:08,279 --> 01:14:10,560
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1052
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,279
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1053
01:14:14,279 --> 01:14:15,880
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1054
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:21,760
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1055
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:26,920
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1056
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,960
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1057
01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:36,239
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1058
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:40,520
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1059
01:14:41,239 --> 01:14:44,520
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1060
01:14:45,039 --> 01:14:45,920
I think that's going to do it
for us. As always, we

1061
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,960
close with a shout out to the
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1062
01:14:49,039 --> 01:14:49,640
to chair it out