WEBVTT 1 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:30.440 Hello, and welcome to the show of Martin. Willis your host, and 2 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:35.200 you can see those of you watching this on video right out on a deck 3 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:40.560 over the ocean right where Mark right in the area where Mark d' antonio used 4 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:44.880 to spend time as a child up here on the coast of Maine. I'll 5 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:48.479 be bringing him in in just a minute. So this is sort of a 6 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:53.320 last minute special type show. The show I had earlier this week did not 7 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:57.079 go well. I did not put it out there. So this is a 8 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:00.439 one hour show. I'd like to do a show every week, and so 9 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:06.680 I contacted my good friend Mark D'Antonio and said, Hey, what about doing 10 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.359 a show in a couple of hours, And he said, fine, about 11 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:12.719 what. I don't know, let's just talk. So we are going to 12 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:17.159 touch on or at least i'll try to. There's really not a whole lot 13 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:23.000 to say, but we'll touch on the Congressional Public hearing that's going to happen 14 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:26.079 next Tuesday. Maybe I'll know a lot more about it on Tuesday after it 15 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:30.040 happens. Trying to find information about it, it's not real easy. So 16 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.680 I want to thank everyone out there that listens to the show. I want 17 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:38.200 to thank all the supporters and anyone can do that. The support link is 18 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:47.000 right on our website podcast UFO dot com. And let me announce the Charles 19 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:53.719 Leear did the Virginia blog the week before, so he did. He got 20 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:59.239 interested in this whole thing that's been happening down in Brazil, so he wrote 21 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:04.159 this one. It's violent UFO encounters in Brazil, and it's a fascinating one. 22 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.920 I am familiar with this one. I hadn't heard about it years ago, 23 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:10.919 never really looked really deeply into it, but it's it's a good one. 24 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:15.879 And by the way, Charles A. Leer has who's been writing these 25 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:20.919 blogs all all these years, has written a book and it's going to be 26 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.520 published on June first, so he's going to be a guest in mid June 27 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:30.960 sometime. And before I forget next week, we have Sean Cahill from the 28 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:38.680 Princeton. He was the chief at arms and overseeing that whole TikTok Ufo incident. 29 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:40.879 He'll be on next week. Well. I did reach out to Luel 30 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.120 Xando today to see if perhaps he could be on the show for just a 31 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:51.000 couple of minutes and talk about what he thought about the UAP going alive and 32 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:53.319 hearing going live next week and he's in Washington, DC. He was not 33 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:59.280 available today and that's unfortunate. But next best thing we got Mark d Antonio. 34 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:04.400 Are you Mark? The next best thing? All right? The best 35 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:07.560 thing? Yeah? Oh no, you're you're right. Yeah. We all 36 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:10.199 make our we all have our place, right, so it's it's it's right. 37 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:13.919 Well, it's nice to see Martin and I see you up there in 38 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:19.120 Tennants Habba, I am yep, And we were talking off how I know 39 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:24.319 it's really gonna drive people crazy, but there's a main accent, and they 40 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:30.000 do talk a lot like this, right, yeah, that's true. Yeah, 41 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:34.639 yeah, yeah they do. And here's there's my main hat right here. 42 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:38.039 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. I used to go lobstering off that coast 43 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:40.439 yea, and yeah, a lot ty out in the ocean with the boat 44 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:47.800 and hanging out there and getting seasick because I'm a landlou Yeah, well, 45 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:51.919 you know that's a lot. I got a dock this year from my boat, 46 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:55.840 and I just found out that the boatyard has WiFi. So you know 47 00:03:55.879 --> 00:04:00.240 what that means, don't you. You're gonna be on your boat doing the 48 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:04.240 show again. Last year. It was a disaster because the WiFi it was 49 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:10.199 a hot spot on my phone and eight up data really quick and went dead 50 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.319 in the middle, in the middle of the show. And yeah, it 51 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:15.879 was interesting. But yeah, it should be a great summer up here. 52 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:19.959 Um, it's really beautiful right now. And I love it up here on 53 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:25.519 the coast. Anywhere on the coast is good. It even long sleeves or 54 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:29.079 short sleeves. I'm in long sleeves, but it was it was actually hot 55 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.639 out here on the deck today. Yeah, I believe it. I believe 56 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:35.759 it. Yeah, it's um, it's about seventy five here today. Actually 57 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:41.360 it's uh yeah, spring day, that's right. And so I want to 58 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.040 talk about a whole bunch of things. I know I've watched a couple of 59 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:49.079 your streams that you do your skywatches out in Arizona remotely, which is fantastic. 60 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:51.839 But for right now, I don't know if you had a chance to 61 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:56.360 read, but you know, there there is let me pull this up. 62 00:04:56.439 --> 00:05:03.199 There is a port that is i mean hearing that is going to be public 63 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:09.680 which is coming up on Tuesday, you know, and there's not probably not 64 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:13.959 really a lot to know right now, you know, And I really have 65 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.759 to caution people. This is probably going to be disappointing to a lot of 66 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.000 people out there that are thinking, Wow, you know, we're going to 67 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:24.800 be talking, We're going to be hearing about aliens and you know, the 68 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:29.560 encounters are from another planet or something like that. And I'm I think that 69 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:35.240 they're probably more or less going to focus on in this public hering. You 70 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:41.600 know, what are the safety you know, what are the safety issues that 71 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:46.639 these things may be causing? First? I think that's probably what they're going 72 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:50.319 to get in there. And here's a this is a quote I'm just going 73 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:55.439 to read right here. The federal government and intelligence community have a critical role 74 00:05:55.439 --> 00:06:00.879 to play in contextualizing and analyzing reports, said Representative Shift of California, a 75 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:05.319 Democrat who is the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. He said the purpose 76 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:10.879 of the hearing was to eliminate one of the great mysteries of our time and 77 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:17.160 break the cycle of excessive secrecy and speculation with truth and transparency. I think 78 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:21.519 that's a pretty good a statement right there. And you know what, what 79 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:27.439 what this will the openness? If there is indeed openness, You know that 80 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:31.000 it's better for them because it's going to eliminate a lot of conspiracy theories. 81 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:36.079 And you know that aliens are bottled in the basement of the Pentagon or something. 82 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:44.199 You know, Well, I never put much credence in the fact that 83 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:48.879 the aliens were being penned in down in the Pentagon or any black site whatsoever. 84 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:54.319 I don't. Yeah, I think those are all stories born out of 85 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.680 fantasy. If you will. I mean, I'm not sure, and I 86 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:03.480 can't say for sure, but the odds are really really stacked against it. 87 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:09.079 Right. But let's be clear, Um, I'm an astronomer. I believe 88 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:11.879 that life exists out there, and I actually think it may have made its 89 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:16.560 way here. So is it illogical think that they wouldn't be here, wouldn't 90 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:24.240 be in our space occupying our space. No, it's not illogical. But 91 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:28.439 we do have to use the rigorous application of science in order to find it, 92 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:31.959 because let's be honest, it's the rigorous application of science that makes any 93 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:36.720 of the great strides on the planet, right. I mean, it is 94 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:45.240 true. You can't think your way and some an aliens and just expect them 95 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.279 to have a Kumbaya moment with you just because you think it's so. I 96 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:53.240 mean, we need to do more than that, and you know, whether 97 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:57.639 that process works or not, it isn't a process that, at this point 98 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:03.079 in our science and our understanding, is an acceptable manner to prove the existence 99 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:09.160 or the intelligence that might be among us. So yes, whereas I like 100 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:13.439 science and I adhere to it, I am open to the other things. 101 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:20.879 But again, if they're really far reaching, then you know, I don't 102 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:28.240 know what that means. I've seen so many CE five sessions where people are 103 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.639 marbling over satellites that are tumbling and they're blinking, and they shine a laser 104 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.039 and think that they're shining back at them. Yes, yet I take pictures 105 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:39.960 of these things and show them a dashed line on my camera going across the 106 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.399 sky. That's a tumbling satellite. Have you actually gone to one of those 107 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:48.519 and did this? Yeah? Actually I've yeah this one. My friend Donna 108 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.240 was at one and was telling me basically the same thing. And then one 109 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:56.759 of the nights she went it was foggy and rainy and they said the invisible 110 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:05.480 craft had landed in the yard. So people that are paying big money to 111 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:07.279 see these things, right, I mean, yeah, I see. So 112 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.320 here's where I get. Here's where I really really have a problem. Okay. 113 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.639 If it's a protocol that works, um, then it should be for 114 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.159 all humanity. It shouldn't be for only those who can afford it. Yeah, 115 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:26.039 okay, And so I get really bent out of shape when Charlottan's come 116 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:31.639 along and claim that they're the conduit through which these beings taught billy Meyer, 117 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.679 for instance, that's Bologney. Billy Meyer is a faker and a liar. 118 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.200 Okay, sorry, but that's true. That's there's so much evidence for that, 119 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.240 Um. Mark is not just throwing this out there. There is tons 120 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.600 of evidence um that that he don't fake. I don't know any many things. 121 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:50.759 I don't make flipping statements, you know, but I will say that, 122 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:56.039 um. You know, for the CE five protocols, I've watched Charlatan's 123 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:01.600 calling in UFOs that were actually flares off the coast, proving flares, and 124 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.039 everybody left thinking, Wow, that was a good I spent two thousand dollars 125 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.200 and I got my money's worth. No do you mean, are you Mark? 126 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.759 Are you trying to tell me that someone set off the flares purposely, 127 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:16.919 like in concert with this situation? No one knows for sure. I just 128 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:22.000 know that in this particular location, there was a flare exercise going on off 129 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.440 the coast, and it was kind of coincidental that they were also doing the 130 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:31.039 CE five knowing maybe knowing that the flares are going to go off, and 131 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.879 thus those flares would become the object of attention. Let's be clear. You 132 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.559 know, you ever saw one. I've seen flare drops, many of them, 133 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.919 Okay, right over my head. Actually, fighters from Luke Air Force 134 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.320 Base were flying over my head and when I was in the Arizona Desert and 135 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:48.440 dropping flares right over my head, you know, and they are an unearthly 136 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:56.440 orange. They look really really unbelievably unreal. It looks surreal, and it's 137 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:01.000 a beautiful it's a beautiful color. It's a beautiful it's a beautiful glow. 138 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.360 Uh. And I can understand why people would would feel that way, right, 139 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:09.919 Yeah. So, but I do know that this particular one that was 140 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:15.080 done off Florida, that was a well known documented flare drop and it ended 141 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:20.279 up becoming, uh, you know, absconded with as a CE five success. 142 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.519 And I thought that was a blatant lie and the worst thing they could 143 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.639 do to people. So we get people liked it all the time right that 144 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:31.720 they try to, you know, play off things that may not be true. 145 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:37.600 So this is why people need to remain skeptical. They need to remain 146 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:39.960 skeptical. And that's why, you know, knowing your facts, knowing your 147 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:45.200 science can help you. Um, well I will, I will talk a 148 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:48.759 little bit. You and I had talked briefly while you're here. One of 149 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:54.120 the reasons you're here is because I decided I made a tough choice, um 150 00:11:54.320 --> 00:12:01.240 and decided to not post the podcast that I had earlier on Tuesday. Now, 151 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:05.840 I've been in touch with both people. Preston Dennett, I really I 152 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.919 almost consider him a friend. I mean, he's a very very nice guy, 153 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:16.799 and so we're we're good. But his guests that was with him was 154 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:22.120 making outrageous claims, and when they got to the point where I thought they 155 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:26.240 were a little bit dangerous, then I decided to end the show early and 156 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:33.159 I decided to eliminate the show. And so anyway, I'm not going to 157 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:37.440 get into the details too much, but it just is just you know, 158 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.320 right off the bat, one of the first things she said was she was 159 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:46.559 basically piloting the UFOs and going through the Rings of Saturn and you know, 160 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:50.759 all these type of things, and you know, I stopped her and said, 161 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:56.279 you realize what you're saying here, and how, you know, how 162 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:00.840 do you expect a listener to believe that? Well, you know, I 163 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.759 did get some email from people that were very upset that I took it down 164 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:09.519 that we're listening, that were, you know, involved in the whole situation. 165 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.679 Someone kind of has told me that I have something against experiencers and what's 166 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.639 wrong with me? Almost like pulling a card on me. So it has 167 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.000 nothing to do with that. I just if you have to be skeptical, 168 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:26.879 I like to keep this show clean as much as I can. And it's 169 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.759 very simple. It really comes down to this. People make these extraordinary claims, 170 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:39.639 but they don't provide the necessary extraordinary proof. Yeah, and when people 171 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:43.919 say trust me all right, or when people say you know, no, 172 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:50.240 honestly okay, those are preparatory words for something that's to come, and they're 173 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.559 they're trying to possibly, you know, pull something off on you. Not 174 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:56.879 even if they may not even realize it, there are people that actually do 175 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.360 believe that they do these things, and so they would pass a polygraph. 176 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.039 I've taken a number of acotographs of my life for my work. And I 177 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:11.000 can tell you they're not hard to I mean they're they're hard to h to 178 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:16.440 h they're hard to fake. They're hard to pass with flying colors if you 179 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:20.480 try to lie. Um. So I know that it can be done. 180 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.879 People have done it right. But I can tell you that, um. 181 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.399 You know, listening to someone say those things, the next thing you want 182 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:33.840 to say is fantastic. That sounds fantastic. Let me see the proof, 183 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:39.639 let me see the videos on your ship, let me meet the alien who 184 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:45.000 are they and let them I'm more or less said something that. Yeah, 185 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.799 I'm more or less said something along those lines. When she was she said, 186 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.720 while I have science to back this up, and I said, I 187 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.360 stopped her right there, said well, let's hear about the science. And 188 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:58.879 she shifted and shifted in her seat and she said, well, this guy's 189 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:03.639 now actually a scientist, but he's got a YouTube channel. And that was 190 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.639 kind of uh, that was kind of enough, you know enough anyway that 191 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:15.320 that goes to when whenever someone says their proof is a YouTube video, Yeah, 192 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:20.080 that becomes problematic. Well, you know, I said, I said 193 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.200 that, I have said that many times, not that everyone is not that 194 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.399 not that every YouTube video is a lie, because they're not. Yeah, 195 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:30.600 that's right. There are some YouTube videos that that tell wonderful truth, scientific 196 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:35.480 accuracy, Uh not so scientific, but accurate and so um. You know, 197 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.840 you you just have to well you have to do what's missing with a 198 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:45.559 lot of people these days, and that's critically think. Yeah, yeah, 199 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:50.000 yeah, you really have to be aware of you have to ask questions. 200 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.480 Yeah. And when it comes to YouTube videos, you know, you're it's 201 00:15:54.559 --> 00:16:03.039 so tough because there are such good fakes out there too. And you know, 202 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:06.600 I mean, the CGI is only going to get only going to get 203 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:10.679 better some of them. If you want to ask questions, please post them 204 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.440 like this gentleman did right here. I don't know if Mark would like to 205 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:21.200 comment on this or not. What's your opinion on blood so, Chris blit? 206 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:23.440 So? Yeah, I don't actually have an opinion on blood so. 207 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:30.399 I have stayed a little bit away from that because I want to remain focused 208 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:36.960 on the science of image analysis and video analysis and I haven't done anything with 209 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:41.240 bleds for blood so, and have no opinion on Chris blood So at the 210 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:45.639 moment, but that may change. Yeah, now, Mark, I sent 211 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:51.039 you a picture the other day, did you happen to do you know that 212 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.200 picture? And are you familiar with that picture? Yeah? Was that the 213 00:16:53.200 --> 00:17:00.600 one from Costa Rica or I believe I believe it's Costa Rica? Where in 214 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:04.519 South America? There was a yeah, um, and I'm going to pull 215 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.480 that up here and uh so people will understand what we're talking about here. 216 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.799 But you know, I mean I remember seeing this years ago when I first 217 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:17.680 was starting to look into the UFO topic and I wondered about it. I 218 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:22.240 said that that's just too good to be true. Um. And when something's 219 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:26.160 too good to be true, that's usually what it is. UM. So 220 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:30.960 sometimes yeah, you're right, but you can't. You can't go into anything 221 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:36.799 with um with blinders on either, you know, and and and just say 222 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:41.599 this is a UFO absolutely, But you also can't say it's not a UFO 223 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:45.599 absolutely. You've got to give it a chance, right, every piece of 224 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:49.000 evidence I see. I don't make a determination by looking at it and just 225 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:52.319 saying oh, well, just you know, making a pronouncement. That's ignorance, 226 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.920 and that doesn't do it. That does everybody disservice. Who's who? 227 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:57.880 Yeh didn't know it? There's definitely enough of that out there. Yeah, 228 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:03.720 there's there's plenty of that out there, you know. But um um, 229 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:04.640 yeah, if you bring up the picture again, yeah, I had to 230 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:07.720 convert the file, so I'm just working on as we go. Anyway, 231 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:12.559 um this photo purports to show a disc UFO in a photograph, an aerial 232 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:19.160 photograph. Uh and um, I can't remember they were doing aerial photography for 233 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.839 yes, there were. It was a topic. No, it was a 234 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:29.200 topographical topograph. They were looking at a lake, some type of condition of 235 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:33.400 a lake. And here it is right here, and I will post this 236 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:37.440 for those of you who are listening just to just audio. I'll post this 237 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.359 in the show notes or somewhere. I'm not sure if we're gonna have a 238 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:45.319 lot of show notes, but anyway, here it is for those of you 239 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:51.240 seeing this visually. And it's you know, I mean, it's perfect angle. 240 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:55.640 This is from overhead about ten thousand feet. Now this is zoomed. 241 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.640 It appears to be zoomed, but um, so the plane was flying about 242 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:04.559 ten thousand feet and it was shooting directly down to get the layout of the 243 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:11.000 topographical conditions of the lake, and so that disk is I don't know I 244 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:15.920 mean, can you do see anything in it that makes it look like it 245 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:21.960 was really there? According to what came out is that this is directly from 246 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.599 an original negative and it had not been toyed with. I don't know, 247 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:30.480 I believe that's the actual thing that it was, you know, without doubt. 248 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.519 I mean it, you know, to me, I ask all kinds 249 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:37.400 of questions. Could it be what's called a concoidal fracture in the cover on 250 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:45.200 the camera, Could it be some type of oil droplet inside the housing perhaps? 251 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.400 Could it be something else? I mean, you see that to the 252 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:51.960 upper right of the of that thing, you actually see this stark black line, 253 00:19:52.079 --> 00:20:00.759 right m oh yeah? I think is that actually a reflection of the 254 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:07.640 horizon reflected in this object? Whatever it is? Um? You know, 255 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:12.519 so there's a lot of a lot of questions I have, But none of 256 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:18.519 the questions end with it's definitely a UFO, with a statement that says it's 257 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:23.400 definitely UFO. Um. They all they all just ask more questions. And 258 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:27.480 I've seen this thing many many years ago. It's got to be twenty five 259 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:30.839 years old or something. I think it was from that I think it was 260 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.319 from nineteen seventy five, But don't quote me on that. I'm not one 261 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:37.720 hundred percent sure. Yeah, so I'm not sure. What I would like 262 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:42.039 to know is um from the same camera. I want to see the next 263 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:48.960 frame and the previous So where are those? Yeah, And you know, 264 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:53.319 if you look at it really carefully, you can see that it has what 265 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:59.480 looks like a distinctive shape. Only the problem I have with it is um 266 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.920 if you look, if you look at it, there's an issue with it, 267 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:08.000 and that is that on the right side of it, it's illuminated by 268 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:11.759 what you would call the sun. And if you look on the ground, 269 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:18.440 you can see that the sun is coming from the lower the lower right, 270 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:22.799 just you know, blow center right, and it's heading to upper left right. 271 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:26.480 Okay kind of thing. At least that's how it looks I'm trying to 272 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.240 see it might be. But if you look at the brightness on the ground, 273 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.119 okay, in the shadows of the trees, it kind of shows you 274 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.680 where the light's coming from. So you'd expect the shadow on that or or 275 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.880 an illuminated side on that on that lower right side. What you would not 276 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.440 expect is for it to be illuminated on the upper left side. M you 277 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:52.759 wouldn't expect that that would be in either shadow or a much reduced brightness, 278 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:57.279 So I'm not sure. Uh. You know, what would actually work, 279 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.960 in fact, is if that's not a disk you're looking at but a depression. 280 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:07.759 If that was a depression into say the glass or the housing, then 281 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:12.119 maybe this would work. So but again, the next frame would have it 282 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:15.119 as well as with the previous frame, And I don't think they would spend 283 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:22.599 time doing aerial photography with the camera. If it's in a fixed housing that 284 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:26.240 has some kind of damage to it, they would fix that housing. But 285 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.400 if the camera was able to move shot the shot in some way, then 286 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:34.119 maybe they would move it over for the next shot. I don't know, 287 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:38.279 but either way, the lighting is wrong on it. For the lighting that's 288 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:42.559 on the ground, well that makes sense. And as someone that does a 289 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:45.720 little bit of painting, you always have to look at, you know, 290 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:52.839 the direction of the sunlight to make the shadowing work. That's kind of where 291 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:55.839 it leads me, you know, that's where that leads me. In fact, 292 00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:57.039 that's where it led me years ago when I looked at it for the 293 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.519 first time. Yeah, no, and I basically had to say, well, 294 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:04.359 jeez, I was hoping it'd be a smoking gun, but you know, 295 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:08.319 he can't. He can't really say it with any kind of definition that 296 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:14.799 it's the the smoking gun, the quintessential UFO photograph, because it just isn't. 297 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:19.559 Unfortunately, Yeah, and is there one? I think you and I 298 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:26.440 had a conversation in Phoenix or somewhere and I asked you that question. Do 299 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:33.400 you mark everything you've looked at? Have you seen like a smoking gun photograph? 300 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:38.880 And you said there was one that really I'm waiting for the smoking gun, 301 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:42.920 but you've seen one that was really good. I think you said something 302 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:48.720 like that. Right, There was one video that I have a little video 303 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:53.000 clip. It's three seconds long, but it is probably the one which I 304 00:23:53.039 --> 00:24:00.279 think is as close to a smoking gun possibility as any And that's the Nick 305 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:06.920 Mariana footage. Uh. And I believe that was Montana in oh, yeah, 306 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:08.799 nineteen fifty three or something like that. Is that the one near the 307 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:14.720 towers or I think, yeah, yeah, that that that is, uh, 308 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:18.640 that is quite quite amazing if I remember, right, isn't there three 309 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:23.240 of them or something like that? M there were too imagine this, Okay, 310 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:26.319 you're there. He was looking at a stadium. I figured what he 311 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:30.279 was doing, maybe sports writer or something. I don't remember the details. 312 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:36.200 Yeah, that's right there, you remember I think he had he was I 313 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:41.039 think I thought it was navy, but maybe it was. There was one 314 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.519 that had something to do with sports. Okay, well, yeah, so 315 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.119 this could be the one. I could be messing in something details. But 316 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:56.079 one thing I'm not messing up is uh. He filmed this with a movie 317 00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.799 camera and he managed to get three frames and these two objects moving side by 318 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.279 side I through the sky, yeah, in formation, yes, And they 319 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:11.519 went behind towers, light towers, whatever that were in this location. And 320 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:15.519 so when I looked at that, my first thought was, Okay, what 321 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:22.160 was flying in the sky at that time? And unless this is kind of 322 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:25.319 a funny thing, unless we're being lied to, there was nobody in there 323 00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:30.880 at that time, nothing in that direction at all. Now, could that 324 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.759 be wrong? Maybe right? And you gotta reserve the right to think that 325 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:41.039 maybe they were wrong about it. But it wasn't a time when we didn't 326 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.519 have the best radar systems like we do now. But these two objects are 327 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:52.400 moving through the sky together and they're really really bright. Now, let me 328 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.079 see if I can find that while we're talking about it, and yeah, 329 00:25:55.880 --> 00:26:00.440 yeah, you have to understand that these objects might have been in formation flying 330 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.559 together in the sky. And the thing that I like about this case is 331 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:11.519 that it doesn't it does not have any kind of signature of an astronomical object 332 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.079 of any kind. Okay, when we see things in the sky that seemed 333 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.599 to be moving through the sky, they're either satellites or they are meteors, 334 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:25.240 right, And these objects will do one of two things will either move through 335 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:30.519 the sky and move relatively slowly satellites, or they'll move very quickly through the 336 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:38.920 sky meteors. But satellites don't move as slow as these things don't move. 337 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:44.720 They don't move as fast as these things did. And a meteor that low 338 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:48.880 in the atmosphere to be seen during the day would be something burning up in 339 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:53.119 the atmosphere being sunlit, you'd see smoke trailing behind it. It would leave 340 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.799 a trail, and we didn't see that at all, right, right, 341 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:00.519 And at the time, it wasn't a whole lot of space junk to re 342 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.480 enter your atmosphere, so and that also would have left the trail behind him 343 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:08.640 smoke. Do you think that was like in the nineteen fifties, as it 344 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:14.799 was. Think Mariano, Mariano, m A R I A N O. 345 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:27.160 I believe Maria. No, try that well, sponsor. Yeah, oh 346 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.079 well, I thought I could find it, but I mean I have watched 347 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.480 in a number of times, and unfortunates, it's not easy to get a 348 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.880 hold of. So if if you want to check back, anyone wants to 349 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:40.720 check back, I'll try to put them in in the notes if I find 350 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:44.839 it. But yeah, I do remember that. And there was a similar 351 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:51.200 one too, off of the island of Catalina island off of California, a 352 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:56.359 very similar one. Do you remember that, um filming of I think it 353 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:02.519 was another formation of UFOs. I'm trying to remember a long time ago. 354 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:07.240 Also, I don't Anyway, I'm not gonna bother to try to look that 355 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:12.359 because I can't find this all right, Marino one, Um Mariano, Yeah 356 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:15.920 no, Mariano, I mean yeah, I'm trying to find it too. 357 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:21.039 I can't find it, um, which is odd because I found it like 358 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:25.079 immediately when I was looking for you. Well, you know, the government 359 00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:26.559 erased it, right, Yeah, that's what they Oh yeah, here we 360 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:33.279 go. So yeah, you mind up that young tendants Haba that's right. 361 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:40.880 Sure, Yeah, but well, um, yeah, we're talking about that. 362 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.720 You can say yea when you're breathing in and breathing out, they do 363 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.960 this yep, yep, yep, yep, ye ye ye yea yea, 364 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.400 yeah, yep. It's pretty funny. Yeah. Now are you were from 365 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.240 me? So? I mean anytime you went up there, it was just 366 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:57.839 an argument about whose boat I was going to use when I was there for 367 00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:02.359 the month, okay, because you didn't use your car. You parked it 368 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:04.039 and you left it. And we would take the boat to go from Port 369 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:10.519 Clyde over to Friendship, Maine, and we would go the Friendship for dinner 370 00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:15.920 or get stuff. We'd go to my cousin's general store in downtown Port Clyde. 371 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:25.759 She since sold it to uh yeah, owns everything up here. Yeah 372 00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:32.319 yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's my cousin's. My cousin's house was 373 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.680 right there on the jetty. It's the house that's right across the street from 374 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:42.680 the jetty going out that there, Port Clyde. There, Yeah yeah, 375 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:47.960 there's right behind me as a scollop boat. I've been looking at that all 376 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.279 winter. Yeah, here's a question, Um four shar wants me to ask 377 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:56.920 you about the Swedish winter clip from twenty twelve. Are you familiar with that 378 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:03.480 one Swedish winter clip? No, let me look that up because so I'm 379 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:08.640 going to ask this if anyone wants to do something like ask a question about 380 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:12.160 that, if you can find a link and post a link at the same 381 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:17.240 time, I'd be able to pull it up and look at it. So, 382 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.759 Jay Allen, you are asking if the Vargin video is out, it 383 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.359 will be out within a couple of months. Um, I did see the 384 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:29.799 screen. I do blocking about the Norwegian spiral video. Wasn't oh, the 385 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.160 Norwegian spiral video. That's a failed launch? Right? Is that? Actually? 386 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.319 I called that upon seeing it. I called it as a failed rocket 387 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.640 launch, probably a ballistic missile launch from a submarine based on where it was, 388 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.839 And everybody just just roundly criticized me and called me an idiot and all 389 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:51.400 these famous choice words, which I laughed at. And two days later it 390 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:55.519 was announced that indeed it was a rocket that had to get blown up a 391 00:30:55.599 --> 00:31:00.359 launch from a submarine. Yeah, and guess what, I never heard anyone 392 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.599 say, Gee, I'm sorry for all those bad things I said about you, 393 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.480 And I had to laugh because or always quick to criticize, but then 394 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:10.880 they go and hide in the dark when it's time to apologize. Right, 395 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:18.279 yeah, yeah, that's okay. Well you're doing the good work of someone 396 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:22.480 that is really you know, keeping everything clean in a way, you know. 397 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.079 I mean, there are so many times when you could certainly jump to 398 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:33.480 conclusion about something, you know. I always appreciate it. I just got 399 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:40.000 to tell everyone this. I think it was a twenty seventeen or something like 400 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:45.880 that, when we were both out in Phoenix. Was that the year I 401 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:53.119 had? Yes, I had drove all the way to Phoenix from Maine and 402 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:59.160 somewhere out in the desert energy I was taking a picture of the desert and 403 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:04.680 I got the picture and I'm looking, there's a disk in the picture, 404 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.440 And so I showed it to you on we were sitting around in Phoenix, 405 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.720 and it showed it. What do you think of this picture right here? 406 00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:13.559 And you're looking at it, and you're looking at it really close, and 407 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:19.200 you say, it almost looks like you have something on the window. So 408 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:21.880 I went to the car, like a little bit later on, I went 409 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.920 to the car and sure enough, there was a little piece of grass on 410 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:30.359 the window on that was stuck to it at an at an angle that very 411 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:37.680 much killed pretty good. I'd rather know, and I think, you know, 412 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:42.720 I think most people would rather know. I think I would, hope. 413 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.839 So in general, I think that's right, Martin, because um, 414 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:51.519 you know, again, I don't know everything. I don't know all and 415 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.359 I don't ever really try to say this was definitely this unless I really know 416 00:32:55.440 --> 00:33:00.319 it was definitely something, okay, um, or unless it's so obvious that 417 00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:06.079 it's something we've seen many many times that we know is a certain something. 418 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:12.960 So I don't often make definitive pronouncements about something because that's you know, I 419 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.480 don't want to be accused of being arrogant about this stuff it, you know, 420 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:22.640 as a as a science guy, typically I'm already fighting against the nature 421 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:28.359 to to not be arrogant about it, right. I mean, science can 422 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.359 be arrogant at times. And there's a lot of people that say, well, 423 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:35.640 if it doesn't exist, if I don't see the evidence it doesn't exist. 424 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.119 Well, not one of those guys. I mean, I've had things 425 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:43.920 happen to me I cannot explain right, and they don't fit science. So 426 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:50.039 does that mean there's something wrong up here? Oh? Maybe okay, but 427 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.079 it could also mean that I experienced something that is not in our current understanding. 428 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:59.200 And that's the way it is. That's the way life is. That 429 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.359 you know, we have to be willing to accept those possibilities. And that's 430 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:06.680 exactly what I think I do. Um, yeah, you know, and 431 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:10.559 do you think that guy, by the way, well, let's just let's 432 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:16.159 just throw this out there. Sure, Neil de Grasse Tyson sees a dog 433 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:22.960 on the floor, it's from another dimension. He steps through it and falls. 434 00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:28.559 You're you're a really weird situation you had. You know that if something 435 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:34.639 like that happened to someone like him, if some of the things happen that 436 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.480 have happened to you, and I know these things have happened to you, 437 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:45.199 very strange things. Um, how do you think someone like him that has 438 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:52.599 an affront to he's you know, mister, I'm the UFOs mean nothing and 439 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.599 you know all this type of thing. Well, let me let me correct 440 00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:59.880 a little something there. I mean, you're right about that, of course. 441 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.039 But one of the things that I want to mention was if Neil de 442 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:14.079 grass Tyson was so against or so taking offense by UFOs, say, or 443 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.199 taking offense by the lack of science of your evidence for UFOs, then why 444 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:24.239 did he ask me for a LinkedIn connection? Okay, clearly I do what 445 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:30.599 I do. Clearly he's keeping his pulse on it without actually saying anything. 446 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:32.599 He's lurking, right Obviously, who wouldn't. It's the right thing to do. 447 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.079 So I know that, you know, I know that that's something that 448 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:44.800 is a very important thing in academia, is to not allow yourself to be 449 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.440 blinded by your own science. And I think that in the past, I 450 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:52.440 think people have accused him of being blinded by that science. But I think 451 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.880 that he's understanding there might be more things out there that we don't understand, 452 00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.760 and that's as much as we can expect, right right. So I want 453 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:05.679 to I want to just pull this up here because I think it's interesting. 454 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:10.800 The Australian Melbourne UFO photo from nineteen sixty six is compelling it and I believe 455 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.599 I have that image. Was that in? Uh? Was that in James 456 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.679 Fox? Yeah? And I've I think this is one heck of a photo, 457 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.840 and I want to know your opinion of that right away. The first 458 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.719 thing I would say is where's the rest of the photo? That it was? 459 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.280 Just a one off polaroid. Yeah, and that's the photo from the 460 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:37.079 polaroid that that photo is from the pole that is a polaroid, And James 461 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:45.960 Fox and the Phenomenon showed the original polaroid. Okay, um, right off 462 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.559 the bat. What I would do is, uh, you know, I 463 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:54.719 would analyze the reflections in that object and try to figure out what colors. 464 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.360 Well, I could easily figure out the colors I guess that are in that 465 00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.159 reflection, and then look at the ground objects and see if there's anything in 466 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:07.519 the ground objects that could irresponsible, and try to, if possible, get 467 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.840 a scale for anything that might be in that reflection, and that would tell 468 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:15.199 us how far away it is, because that could be something somewhat large it's 469 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:19.679 farther away, or something very small it's up close. Um, that's true. 470 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.400 Entire photo is a little bit blurry, and it looks like the object 471 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:29.920 and the house in the photo are about as blurred. So it could not 472 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.119 have been moving too fast, especially if it's a polaroid. Now, my 473 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:38.840 son collects polaroid cameras and I have them upstairs, several kinds, and there's 474 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:44.239 someone that actually collects polaroid cameras yeah, my son. He actually collects a 475 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:50.320 lot of cameras, okay, Yeah, and he's a film films right, 476 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.519 that's right, and knows it awful lot about them. Yeah, and he 477 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:59.559 knows he would be able to look at that photo and tell you whether a 478 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:05.519 pole roid camera of whatever type that is said to have taken that picture could 479 00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.840 have produced that picture from an object moving fast the picture, I think not. 480 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:15.440 I think it's something that was either moving relatively slow or stationary. So 481 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:21.039 I think, yeah, I'm trying to remember James Fox did when he was 482 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:25.159 in Australia. He met with this gentleman that held up the picture and all 483 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.719 that, and he tells the whole entire story. He was working in the 484 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.760 garden and that's all I remember. I don't remember any other details, but 485 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:37.159 it would remember from the phenomenon. I know that, you know, your 486 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:38.840 friend of mine, Lee Spiegel, worked on it together with James, and 487 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:46.760 we don't remember the details of that particular teams there. Yeah, you hear 488 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:51.519 you hear the crows in the background. How you do It's the weirdest thing. 489 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.199 You think this place would be full of seagulls, but it's the crows 490 00:38:54.239 --> 00:39:01.320 are eating crabs. And I'm just unbelievable. Yeah yeah, over yeah wow. 491 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:08.199 So, um, let's see if there's uh, yes, there. 492 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:14.000 I wanted to mention before we go a bunch further, you know, in 493 00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.000 our live observatory Skyter live stream. Yes, I wanted to talk about the 494 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:22.119 YouTube. That's the East Coast Observatory there that's being rehab and refurbished and I'm 495 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:27.039 going to be putting into a new building out here, but out in Arizona, 496 00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.159 we have an active building out there. Well, Sunday, after our 497 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:36.519 radio show that goes from six to eight, we're gonna move right into a 498 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.960 lunar eclipse stream and we're gonna actually stream the lunar eclipse live. Um. 499 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:44.840 Now, it'll already be well underway by the time we get in. But 500 00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.480 just keep this in mind. Last time we were looking at the Moon during 501 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:52.760 lunar eclipse, we're one of five groups on the planet that actually caught a 502 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.199 meteor strike the Moon during the eclipse, right at the height of the eclipse, 503 00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:59.840 right in the red spot, you see it. I remember that. 504 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.599 I remember that. Yeah. Yeah, at the time, we didn't know 505 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.920 what we saw, so we let it go for the time because we figured 506 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.519 out Okay, we're gonna research that when we're done, and by the time 507 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:13.480 the stream was over, we had already found out that indeed, it was 508 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.920 a media that struct the moods. We always have this. We have a 509 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:20.440 phenomenal Skytro Life Beam family and they just start researching and doing things and they 510 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.639 found out an awful lot about it before we even finished the stream that night. 511 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:25.960 So that was pretty awesome. You know, these are good people. 512 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:34.880 But uh so we tell tell the listening audience how they can get there for 513 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.639 this coming event. Saturday said yeah, yeah, yeah, I see. 514 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:42.800 We're live on YouTube on most clear nights out in Arizona. I'm in Connecticut, 515 00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:47.000 but I control it from here and I used literally almost all free software 516 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:51.719 to do it. So if anyone wants to learn how to control something long 517 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.480 distance, you can do it for free, almost free. I think that's 518 00:40:54.480 --> 00:41:00.480 pretty cool. Um, but um we're on YouTube and the channel it's called 519 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.920 sky Tour Live Stream with the sky right here, Mark d Antonio right there, 520 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.480 that's me. That's a gird name. I never realized it's my name, 521 00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:13.719 and it's my name, and so sky Tour One word Live stream with 522 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.440 Mark Antonio. Skytro Live Stream will fight it and just subscribe and join and 523 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:22.480 come on in and and just watch. And we've got well over five hundred 524 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:29.119 or five hundred plus bry a long shot past streams up there that we've done. 525 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:36.159 The night sky and our sky out there was so dark that it literally 526 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:37.960 when I first saw it, and I'm not I'm not too proud to say 527 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.800 this, When I first saw it, I literally started crying. It was 528 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:46.239 so beautiful. It was dead calm, dead quiet, and all that was 529 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:52.519 over me. It was this velvety, beautiful sky with beautiful pinpoints of stars 530 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.000 and milky way, and I was like, huh. It literally takes your 531 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:01.280 breath away. And we have one of the top instruments in that building looking 532 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:06.880 up at the sky every time. It's clear in getting imagery and is just 533 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.360 unbelievable. We get in ten to fifteen to twenty seconds what it takes sometimes 534 00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.519 ten to twenty to thirty minutes to get elsewhere. We can get things really. 535 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.239 Yeah, So most of our exposures we actually will do anywhere between five 536 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:29.199 and fifteen objects a night, you know, and taking long exposures of twenty 537 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:31.559 seconds on them and then stacking them one on top of each other. Like 538 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:36.559 an image sandwich to make them much more clear. And in twenty seconds, 539 00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.119 I mean, how long as it take to get ten ten images, ten 540 00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:44.920 stack ten stack images two hundred seconds, So in the time it takes us 541 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:49.360 say what I'm saying now, we'd almost be done. So it's really cool. 542 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:52.079 I almost don't have time to talk about the object, but I do 543 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.000 every time. And you know, I say, Okay, this is a 544 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.880 planetary nebulace, remains of a star that has died, and you know, 545 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.239 the green, greenish blue colors because it is the red colors because of that, 546 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.159 you know, talking about the elements in the periodic table. But you 547 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:07.920 know, we talk about it in a way that makes people understand it, 548 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:12.639 right, And yes you do. I've been in that. I've been watching 549 00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.519 a few times and you've said high to each other in other times. But 550 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:21.159 yeah, you're you're you're a wonderful patron and um. And the thing is, 551 00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.599 when you know, last week or two we've been looking at a supernova 552 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:30.239 that occurred, it's occurred in another galaxy. Now this galaxy is tens of 553 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.840 millions of light years away, which means that the supernova which showed up in 554 00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:39.880 our telescopes on just one on one particular night, that light took millions, 555 00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:44.440 tens of millions of years to get here. Yeah, it actually left before 556 00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:50.599 the dinosaurs died from amazing and made it here. It's so hard to fathom 557 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:52.719 things like that. Yes, Well, the universe is a great big time 558 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:57.280 machine, isn't it? The back and yeah all the time I think of 559 00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.679 that all the time when yeah, I look out machine, Yeah what we're 560 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:06.280 seeing? And are we Let me ask you a couple of astronomy questions because 561 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:15.360 I've always always enjoy picking your brain so on things. How how close could 562 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:20.679 a let me say it again, how close would a supernova? Probably depends 563 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:24.840 on the size of it that would could happen, that could affect us, 564 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:30.360 could cause us problems. Okay, the first part of your question, how 565 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.920 you said, depends on the size of it. A star of a certain 566 00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.159 mass will go supernova. That's the star way more massive than our sun. 567 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:44.719 But if a star win supernova that was within say four light years five light 568 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:49.519 years of us, then we could be in trouble, and it might take 569 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.719 four to five years for that energy to get here to bathe our planet in 570 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:59.119 high energy X rays or gamma rays and that could be disastrous. However, 571 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.559 there is no star that can do that to us. None of the star 572 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:07.159 is near us are that massive that can cause such a problem for us. 573 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.159 Um. Now, we are orbiting the galaxy and we do come near other 574 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:14.360 stars at times, and we don't you know, clearly, we've gone around 575 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:19.679 the galaxy almost twenty times since we formed here four point five billion years ago. 576 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.960 Uh, and in that time we've never encountered anything that was a earth 577 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:31.000 sterilizer event like that, and that would be a sterilizer event it would destroy 578 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:37.119 us. So clearly we're on the plus side of the of the problem here, 579 00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:40.840 you know, right on the chance wheel, we're on the plus side. 580 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.559 So I don't know if you never forget, if I forget, Sorry, 581 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:51.400 yeah, Um, I was starting to say that Skyter live stream UM 582 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.800 is going to be live this weekend Sunday if it's clear out in Arizona, 583 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:59.199 which usually is. We have three hundred clear nights a year there. Um, 584 00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.880 we'll be life and broadcasting this this eclipse. Now, the eclipse starts 585 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:07.519 right at sunset, in fact that out there it'll already be happening when when 586 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:12.199 the moon rises, but we're gonna catch it just after our radio show, 587 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.159 which is going to be around eight o'clock, so around eight ten or so 588 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:20.719 in the evening Eastern time. We're going to be focusing on the moon and 589 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.519 it's going to be already blood red by that point. Um, but you 590 00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:25.960 know what, that's the exciting thing. And then we'll watch it. You 591 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.119 know, we watch the earth shadow pass off of it on the way out. 592 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:32.199 I can't wait. I'm gonna try to tune into that. Yeah, 593 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:37.079 we're gonna watch and see if we can catch any meteors. And I'll probably 594 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:40.480 be live before we're on the radio show, and I'll show the live feed 595 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.159 during the radio show if if it's clear, and if it's cloudy, it 596 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.079 doesn't it doesn't matter. We can still we can still do it if it's 597 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:52.280 light clouds. So that'ud be pretty cool. I have I don't know if 598 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:55.800 you've ever heard of Frasier Kane, Yeah, of course. Yeah, so 599 00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:00.000 I've listened to his show and I can't remember the whose co host is. 600 00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:06.920 She's h professor in Chicago area, I think. Anyway, Um, he's 601 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.639 got a funny saying that he says the universe is always trying to kill us, 602 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:15.840 that's right, and so there are there are so many events. But 603 00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:20.119 one of the reason I'm bringing this up, don't you think that there should 604 00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:28.800 be um more um, some type of protection for incoming if we have something 605 00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:32.920 you know that is in direct line and um you know that you know this 606 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:38.880 thing that happened back in chelibinsk Um, it was in direct line with the 607 00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.599 Sun. We may not have time, of course, but don't you think 608 00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:45.440 there should be more? I mean, we invest in so many things. 609 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.280 It seems like, you know, if we had a planet killer coming our 610 00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.239 way, it seems like we would want to try to be able to miss, 611 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.840 you know, misdirect, you know, redirect it. Well, you 612 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:59.320 say something very interesting, okay, and that is that we need to figure 613 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.960 out a way who survive, say the big impact or whatever. Well, 614 00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.920 that's what the Dart project is all about. Dart is going to see if 615 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:13.840 colliding with an asteroid will allow us to nudge it just enough to change its 616 00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:16.000 orbit. Now, the asteroid it's going to hit is not an asteroid that 617 00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:20.360 can hurt us in any way, nor could it ever, but it's a 618 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.880 it's a test candidate. We're gonna see if if colliding with this object can 619 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:30.239 move the asteroid enough so that over time, given we have the time, 620 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.000 we would be able to nudge a killer asteroid out of our way. So 621 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.320 if so, it's just a matter of mass and how many dart objects we 622 00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:44.239 hurl at it in order to get it to move. This would be kind 623 00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:46.800 of interesting to see how this works, right, we do need more things, 624 00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:52.559 um for sure. The Chelly Binks asteroid that came in. Keep in 625 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:57.599 mind that that was fairly small, which is why it was hard to see. 626 00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:06.400 Yeah, and fairly small all is not unnecessarily dangerous. But the Chelly 627 00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:10.719 Binks meteor did punch a twenty foot diameter hole in a frozen lake when it 628 00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:17.480 finally fragment finally reached the ground. But again keeping in mind that that that 629 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:25.000 hole that it made was just a fragment of the overall larger object. So 630 00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:29.760 we get hit with larger objects many times per year, a number of times 631 00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:31.599 you could probably count them on two hands, probably like ten times, eight 632 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.960 times or whatever for a very large object, and they usually hit over the 633 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.639 ocean. But I think they're also responsible for some of the mythical sounds that 634 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:47.119 people hear. There was a giant sound heard over in England and then in 635 00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:53.679 Nova Scotia, what was that these mystery booms, but they might be are 636 00:49:53.679 --> 00:50:00.480 the sonic booms or the breakup booms of these giant objects coming in over the 637 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:06.039 ocean and the sound just travels English about that Nova Scotia. I've you've heard 638 00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:12.280 people have been talking about those boom sounds wondering what they are for years. 639 00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:16.760 I think Linda molten how actually does some stories on that. You know, 640 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:22.480 the people that are hearing these boom sounds and no explanation, never thought of 641 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.079 it being carried off the ocean. Course, if the Earth is seventy three 642 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:30.920 percent water or whatever it is, ocean, yeah, most of them are 643 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.519 you know, seventy percent of them are going to land in the ocean, 644 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.920 right. And so in mind that these these explosions are occurring not at ten 645 00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:43.719 thousand feet, These explosions are occurring at like one hundred and eighty thousand or 646 00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:47.039 more, maybe eighty miles up seventy so they can really carry in the curvature 647 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:51.400 of the Earth and all that, and the sound waves will be a lot 648 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.280 you know, lower amplitude up there because there's not enough not enough air to 649 00:50:55.320 --> 00:51:00.119 conduct the sound waves because they're like a compression wave through the air, but 650 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.199 if they do make it, they're going to be a big, long, 651 00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:07.480 low boom. And that's what the rumbling was heard, you know, rumbling 652 00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:10.760 in England, rumbling in Nova Scotia. Depending on the timing when they were 653 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:15.960 heard, you could kind of pinpoint where along that line the meteor came in. 654 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:17.679 So it was heard, you know, because air, you know, 655 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.760 in the in the air of a certain density, sound travels a certain speed. 656 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:25.760 And if you can calculate how long it takes for the sound to get 657 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:30.559 the Nova Scotia versus how long it gets to England and what time they actually 658 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.119 heard it, and knowing the two times to two places, you can figure 659 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:36.519 out where along the line had happened. Was it right in between, wasn't 660 00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:38.920 more toward Nova Scotia, was more toward England and for instance. So you 661 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:45.480 can figure out a substantial number of things just from the data about the sound, 662 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.320 you know. And the other thing to keep in mind is that we 663 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:57.639 have underwater listening hydrophones in our oceans, and these sounds long low frequencies. 664 00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:01.719 If any of those hydrophones pick up that sound, then those are hard data 665 00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:07.719 points that will have will have and who monitors those. Well that it's a 666 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:13.159 it's a US Navy, it's a US government. So would we ever, 667 00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:17.679 we would probably never hear about anything. Most likely, well maybe, but 668 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:21.159 see the thing is, they would overlook it. They would say, okay, 669 00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:24.239 we just had this one spurious sound. Well it's either geological, biological, 670 00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:30.199 or natural of some kind. They only care about listening for enemies, 671 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:36.320 right. They have certain signatures for say, certain submarines or certain warships, 672 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:37.880 and they can say, oh, yeah, well this this, this, 673 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:43.239 this ship just left that port. Okay, okay, the type we gotta 674 00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:47.199 we gotta a cooler submarine that just fired up out of Murmanx and it's on 675 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:51.599 its way into the North Sea, the Barren Sea. You know, so, 676 00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.280 I mean you got all kinds of possibilities there. That's what they're listening 677 00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.480 for. They're not listening for whale farts, to be clear, blunt. 678 00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:05.320 Okay, well those would probably sound pretty funny, just like the way they're 679 00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:10.079 saying anything. That's right. Yeah, Now, what about let's shift gears 680 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:15.519 a little bit, and you know, you think about life out there, 681 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:19.199 the possibility of life out there. I have that great book that you wrote 682 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.320 right in the other room in there. Um. And what it's the title 683 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:27.920 to that book that's called The Populated Universe. It's uh, yeah, it's 684 00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:32.000 it's my treatise on the subject that life and universe may very well be the 685 00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:37.000 norm, not the exception. Yeah, and I probably is. I agree 686 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:42.760 with that that one statement. But let me just ask you your thoughts on 687 00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.920 you know, we think about life on planets, but what about moons like 688 00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:53.199 Jupiter's moons Europa something like that, you know, I mean, it doesn't 689 00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:57.840 have to be intelligent life, but just plain life. Yeah, and that's 690 00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:02.199 something we will probably find I think in the next ten to fifteen years maybe. 691 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:08.800 UM. We also notice, because of our planet hunting capability that Um 692 00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:15.800 Proxima Proxima Bee, the planet that's one of the two planets around Proximus Sentry 693 00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:22.000 four point three light years away, uh, also has a potentially interesting um 694 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:28.920 uh characteristics that could foster life perhaps. I mean, clearly, the star 695 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:34.119 is a very flare it's a flaring star, so we don't we see a 696 00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:37.559 lot of ultra violet flares. But the Sun in its early life was also 697 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:43.880 a very ultra violet prone star UM, and it would do these flares as 698 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:51.760 well, so that said, Um, if we're looking at say Proxima B, 699 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:59.360 well then we know that Proxima Bee might actually be a planet that could 700 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:05.119 possibly support some form of life. Right, Um, now, um, 701 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:07.159 what was the rest of your question, because I was well, I was 702 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:09.679 asking it doesn't have to be on a planet. No, no, no, 703 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:15.679 that's right. But but okay, but we know of um, we 704 00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:20.599 know that there are planets with moons out there other than our within our solar 705 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:23.360 system. We can see evidence that there are moons around other planets in other 706 00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:29.320 star systems. So is it possible life could form there? Yes? Okay, 707 00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.320 Europa, as you mentioned Europa around Jupiter. Um, you know we 708 00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:37.440 have Io Europa, Gana meeting Calisto. Those are the four Galilean satellites at 709 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:43.280 Galileo famously used to get tried for heresy. Okay. And Europa is an 710 00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:47.719 icing crusted moon, and it has what might be seems to be a watery 711 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:52.280 ocean beneath that icy crust. Yeah, it doesn't have like volcanic like ice 712 00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:59.639 vaultcanos ya volcanic well yeah, yeah, And and the Hubble Space telescope was 713 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.719 able to characterize that hydrogen and oxygen coming out of those geysers, they could 714 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:10.360 see it. So what that means is if we have a possibility that life 715 00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:16.079 in a sub ice ocean on Earth could form, and we know it has 716 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:20.599 and I'll explain that in a minute, then we know that on Europa, 717 00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:24.519 there's also a possibility that it could happen here on Earth. You'd never expect 718 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:30.440 life to be existent a mile beneath the ice in Antarctica, but there's a 719 00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:35.079 lake. And some of your listeners are probably saying, I know the lake. 720 00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:40.320 It's Lake Vostok, and you'd be right. Lake Vostok is been sealed 721 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:46.599 off from the world above for thousands, tens of thousands of years, and 722 00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:53.639 this particular lake when they probed it finally they went down, it hosts well 723 00:56:53.639 --> 00:57:02.679 over three thousand different species of microscopic life. This lake has its own cycles. 724 00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.800 There's the carbon cycle, Okay, that's very important for you know, 725 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.880 dead things, they go down, they decompose, the carbon goes back into 726 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:15.559 the cycle and then starts a new into new objects, okay, into new 727 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:20.880 creatures. That that is something. Cycles are very important. We have the 728 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.519 water cycle here on Earth right with the atmosphere, water evaporates, goes up 729 00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:29.719 falls back down its rain for the license plants, waters plants, and then 730 00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:32.239 keeps on going over and over. These cycles are really really important. It's 731 00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:36.639 not just water and carbon. There's other cycles too. There's a methane cycle. 732 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.039 Okay, waste products, you know, you have to deal with them 733 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:44.199 and then make them not toxify the environment. And that happens too. So 734 00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.840 if it happens here, then it could happen there. That's my whole point, 735 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:53.079 see right, And that's a very good possibility. Yeah, you know 736 00:57:53.719 --> 00:58:00.559 so um and Lake Vostok is a good test case because Lake Vostok is among 737 00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:06.480 the coldest places on Earth, if not the coldest. M amazing they have 738 00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:10.559 and then there's many cases where life have survived where it just seems totally impossible. 739 00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:16.519 And because the creatures, remember the creatures in Lake Vostok don't depend on 740 00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:23.639 sunlight. There is none, so they don't make energy through photosynthesis like the 741 00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:30.440 sun loving creatures do that we are and plants are right. They use chemosynthesis, 742 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:37.519 the chemical creation of energy, and that's what life on Europa or on 743 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:43.440 Saturn's moon and Cellatus might do. Now, I I've always thought that all 744 00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:50.679 living things depended on the energy originally originating from the sun. Um. In 745 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:57.079 the end, they would because they would the situation they're in would have been 746 00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:02.039 brought about by a flourishing of life that led to these other life forms that 747 00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:08.119 are microbial, for instance, okay um. And that would mean that life 748 00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:14.239 that is in Lake Vostok might have once been at the surface when the Antarctica 749 00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:22.960 wasn't frozen, but then over time evolved to a deep ice deep ice locked 750 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:29.280 lake, and thus the life forms changed and adapted, okay, mutated and 751 00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:36.639 adapted, evolved to accept that environment and flourish in that environment. Certainly many 752 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:42.440 did not, Okay, but many probably did and have at least three thousand 753 00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.760 species that we know of down there. That's a lot of species. That's 754 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:49.719 a lot of creatures down there that have figured out a way to eke out 755 00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:53.559 some type of existence. Right. Also keep in mind that on Mars. 756 00:59:55.280 --> 01:00:00.440 Mars is an interesting planet too, because Mars has this atmosphe if you're made 757 01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:07.280 mostly of carbon dioxide, and the Perseverance Rover has this really cool little experiment 758 01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:13.639 the size of a car battery that is really really interesting, and this car 759 01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:21.440 battery size object undertook an experiment by the nickname moxy, Moxie and MOXI was 760 01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:25.679 the Mars Oxygen Insitue experiment, and what that meant was it was trying to 761 01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:32.880 see if it can convert the carbon dioxide atmosphere of Mars to breatheable oxygen and 762 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:37.440 it was a wonderful success. What's that mean? It means that sooner or 763 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.000 later, when we colonize Mars, we don't have to bring our air man. 764 01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:45.400 We're gonna move. We're gonna make it from carbon dioxide. And that 765 01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:51.360 is something that I think is really really important because you know when you breathe 766 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.079 out carbon dioxide from your lungs, Well, what does that say? That 767 01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:58.320 says that we're gonna be able to recycle the CO two and make oxygen from 768 01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:05.880 that, you see, And that's going to be the coolest thing. And 769 01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:09.159 on the South polar Mars, deep under under that polar ice cap, the 770 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:15.800 south Polar ice cap, there's actually this large reservoir of liquid water. Why 771 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:17.880 is it liquid? I thought we couldn't have liquid water on Mars where you 772 01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:23.559 can at depth because you have the weight of the overlying strata increases the pressure 773 01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:29.559 at depth, so that liquid water could exist. And this was found with 774 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:37.440 an orbital radar mapping system, and this water reservoir could potentially house microbial life. 775 01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.760 Now that would be kind of like the final vestige of where life would 776 01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:44.880 ended up and ended up on Mars, because Mars used to have a much 777 01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:49.159 thicker atmosphere and used to have water running on its surface, right, Yeah, 778 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:53.639 you know that magnetosphere too, and it's that's a very good point. 779 01:01:54.039 --> 01:02:00.159 And that's the reason why Mars doesn't have water on the surface now in the 780 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:02.960 end, because Mars lost its magnetic field, which is what you call the 781 01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:09.000 magnetosphere correctly, and the magnetosphere on Earth protects us from the Sun's harmful radiation. 782 01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:14.280 In fact, it traps. The magnetic field traps particles from the Sun 783 01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:17.760 that are coming to us, and it could spell cancerous disasters for us and 784 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:23.519 rip us apart with its high energy ultra violet radiation. However, you know, 785 01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:25.480 some of it gets through, but most of it gets stop. These 786 01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:30.039 hy energy particles, the solar wind particles, and that those solar wind particles 787 01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:37.599 trapped in our magnetic field are what people recognize as the Van Allen radiation belts, 788 01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:40.559 and that's where those come from. They're actually our magnetic fields brought to 789 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:47.480 visibility essentially through our instrumentation and because of the solar wind getting trapped in the 790 01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:53.679 magnetic field. Do you think there's a chance of our of us are the 791 01:02:53.719 --> 01:03:01.079 weakening of our magnetic field, our magnetic field changes you know in um you 792 01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:07.679 know you're this is another one of those pseudoscientific things to see online. Oh, 793 01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:09.920 the Earth's magnetic field is gonna flip. Well, the Earth's gonna flip 794 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:14.320 upside down. Does that mean we're gonna see the South Pole stars or the 795 01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:19.320 Southern Star? No, it doesn't. What's happening is the same thing that 796 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:22.800 happens to the Sun every eleven years. Okay, the Sun's magnetic field gets 797 01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:27.840 twisted up, is it rotates, The magnetic field lines get twisted up, 798 01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:31.679 and then they basically pop and realign effectively, and that creates the Sun spots 799 01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:35.360 cycle. All right, we're getting out it up, then it evens out 800 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:37.400 for a while, then it gets twisted up again. It does the same 801 01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.599 thing. Well, you know, the Earth is different only because the Earth 802 01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:45.159 is smaller, it's magnetic field is different. But we do have cases where 803 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:51.599 the magnetic field does wander. The North Pole that was magnetic north back in 804 01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.960 nineteen sixty, for instance, is not in the same spot that it is 805 01:03:55.000 --> 01:04:00.480 in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. Okay, but it's not like it's 806 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:04.039 going whoa, it's flipping, like it's gonna flip overnight and everybody's gonna die 807 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:10.079 and all the buildings are gonna smash, and yeah, well, see the 808 01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:16.079 thing is, animals have had millions of years of evolution to deal with what 809 01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:23.599 is called properly geomagnetic reversal, and geomagnetic reversal has happened quite a few times. 810 01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:27.559 How do we know, Well, in the mid Atlantic Ocean, that's 811 01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:30.440 where these two plates collide, right where these two tectonic plates that collide, 812 01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:34.880 and when new materials made and comes out and oozes out as it cools, 813 01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:44.599 the iron crystals inside that rock form in a certain direction effectively based on what 814 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:46.760 the magnetic field is at the time. And guess what we see when we 815 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:51.800 do samples along that magnetic ridge. We see magnetic crystals that say are this 816 01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:56.679 way and then this way, you know, and back and forth over a 817 01:04:56.719 --> 01:05:00.000 period of thousands of years. And it takes the thousands of years too for 818 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.679 the switch to occur. So you see times when they're muddy and when they're 819 01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:08.920 not quite right, but then you have a distinctive predominance of this direction and 820 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:13.920 a predominance of this direction. So we see this geomagnetic reversal is a thing 821 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:16.280 that happens. It's related to how the inner core of the Earth and the 822 01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:20.239 outer core of the Earth are moving against each other. And it does happen. 823 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:25.480 But it's not one of these things that happened so fast that everything is 824 01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:30.000 going to fail. We're all gonna die. That's just another you could Yeah, 825 01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:36.159 can we keep up with the technology and switching things over so would still 826 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:41.079 work. We have been you know, things have been changing. You know, 827 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:45.239 you get an update on your GPS recently. You don't know, but 828 01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:50.000 it did. You get internal updates on GPS. Well, it happens, 829 01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:55.360 you know, every every few years or whatever, you get a major update 830 01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:59.119 to your GPS and so forth, and maybe it's a quiet update. But 831 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.079 you know what we are, we're gradually taking care of it. We're gradually 832 01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:06.800 just following the magnetic field and changing accordingly as we go. So guess what. 833 01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:13.199 The geomagnetic reversal will come when it comes, and we'll be there when 834 01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:15.280 we're there and say, I guess we're in it now, or I guess 835 01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:21.119 it happened already, be in the middle of it. Yeah, in fact, 836 01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:25.719 we probably are. You know, the poles shifting slightly, you know, 837 01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:29.119 every so every year it's shifting a little bit, And maybe that's the 838 01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:33.000 geomagnetic but not the physical pole. The magnetic field is shifting a little bit. 839 01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:38.000 It doesn't mean we're gonna be suddenly exposed to the Sun's harmful rays and 840 01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:42.079 the radiation built is going to go away and the UV radiation is gonna burn 841 01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:45.320 us all live. Ah. You know that that's not gonna happen. Okay, 842 01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:51.239 that can't happen Earth. It takes a long time to happen, you 843 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:57.679 know, right, Are you familiar with slimes? No sun energy required. 844 01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:05.119 I think that that question is referring to um slime molds, all the molds. 845 01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:11.760 I think it's a slime mold. Yeah. UM. Eukaryotic organisms are 846 01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:18.320 called and um, and basically UM a slime mold. Think of it as 847 01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:27.119 like a colony, sort of a group of smaller creatures to forming together to 848 01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:33.000 make a larger hole. UM. You know, kind of like um, 849 01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:36.480 not quite like fung gi not quite like you know, like a mushrooms of 850 01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:42.360 fungus, right, um, But slime molds are interesting in their own right 851 01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:47.320 as well, and are probably related to how life started here. Actually, 852 01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:51.400 I talk about them when I do my uh, when I do the toilet 853 01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:56.599 paper History of the Earth. I love that. I love that that. 854 01:07:56.599 --> 01:08:00.719 That is just so helpful to someone who has a hard time understanding numbers. 855 01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:06.519 And I think I think I heard it that the human most people can I 856 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:11.079 want to say the human brain, but most people can understand about ten thousand, 857 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:15.159 the number ten thousand, Yeah, and then when it goes above that, 858 01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:20.439 we can't really comprehend things. And just quickly if you would, I 859 01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:24.199 know we're out of time. We're going over time here. But can you 860 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:27.279 tell tell? I love this thing. And when you and I first met, 861 01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:30.479 you were doing this, tell what you do about the toilet paper? 862 01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:33.520 And I think you're going to reintroduce that or something, aren't you. Yeah, 863 01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:38.560 I got a way to do it. So here's the thing. We 864 01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:42.000 the earth form four points five million, form point six million years ago, 865 01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:45.600 billion years ago. So in that time, it's like what's a billion, 866 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:50.720 what's a million? And you said ten thousand, but I say, people 867 01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:56.920 don't have the ability to recognize basically more than a thousand things. Is an 868 01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:00.960 example, when the Titanic sung, fifteen hundred people died, well, fifteen 869 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.159 hundred people, people couldn't really imagine that. So what they did was they 870 01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:08.920 put fifteen hundred people on the docks where the Titanic left from and took that 871 01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:14.880 picture. And that sunk in. Seeing the visual all right, engages the 872 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:17.279 eyes and the visual part of the brain and the intellectual part of the brain. 873 01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:25.399 You need that double stimulus. So when I did this toilet paper thing, 874 01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:30.279 I wanted to show people the scale of the universe and time. So 875 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:36.640 I had this one hundred and twenty foot roll of toilet paper and I ended 876 01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:43.319 up creating the history of the universe, history of the Earth on it. 877 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:45.640 I started with the formation of the Earth and led all the way up to 878 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:50.520 the other end of the toilet paper hundred twenty feet away with us in that 879 01:09:50.640 --> 01:10:01.000 room and Lucy Australopithecus afarensis was actually a a line that was about a pencil 880 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:05.840 line away from the present day. At that scale, you know a little 881 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:11.279 more than the pencil line. So it really was a way to show people 882 01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:15.800 that you know, the earth history accelerated over time. There was a lot 883 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:20.680 of nothing going on for billions of years, and then the dinosaurs came along, 884 01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:25.800 and people think that's ancient history, but it's not. The dinosaurs were 885 01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:31.840 eighteen inches eighteen inches from from where we were at the end of that toilet 886 01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:38.239 paper. Dinosaurs were just here, eighteen inches away, one hundred and seventeen 887 01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:43.079 more feet to go. See. So um, it really puts it in 888 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:46.640 perspective. You know, dinosaurs are recent history, not ancient history. It's 889 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:53.239 really something. And you and I had a conversation recently when we were out 890 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:58.760 in Arizona, and that was and we don't really have to go into it 891 01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:00.479 much, but I want you to touch on a little bit. You said 892 01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:06.920 the possibility if the dinosaurs didn't get wiped out, their brains could have been 893 01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:12.359 growing larger and larger, and they could they could have been more of an 894 01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:17.199 intelligent species through evolution eventually possibly Wait, we're talking about the trudon true Odon, 895 01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:24.279 troo Lodon. Okay, the truodon was a creature that when it died, 896 01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:28.000 there was evidence that its cranial capacity was increasing. Does that mean it 897 01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:32.359 was getting smarter? Maybe? Say from like the dumbest breed a dog, 898 01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:36.279 that the smartest breed a dog. Okay, I mean so nothing like magical, 899 01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:39.840 like they were about to invent nuclear power or anything like that, but 900 01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:45.600 because only dumb people event nuclear power. But the fact is the Truodon ended 901 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:53.640 up showing some kind of change that was interesting. So that said, we 902 01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:57.119 speculate, and that's all. It is a speculation of course that maybe if 903 01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:03.359 if we if the chicks a little impact there never occurred, then dinosaurs wouldn't 904 01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:09.239 have been wiped out. We would never have become the dominant species again potentially, 905 01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:17.479 and then what would happen? Would we be intelligent reptilian creatures? Who 906 01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:23.079 knows? But it's funcially right. Yeah. The thing that's interesting is two 907 01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:25.880 hundred and fifty two million years ago was the Permian period, and during that 908 01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:31.079 period, creatures that would become mammals were dominant until there was a great extinction 909 01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:35.880 event which killed ninety eight percent of life on Earth, probably from a large 910 01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:41.760 scale volcanic eruptions that raised a temperature on the Earth by twenty one degree celsius 911 01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:45.880 huge in just a few months. That's huge, and no, you know 912 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:51.640 that that shut down all the ecosystems. Plankton died off and that killed off 913 01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:58.000 many many creatures, but some survived, and so the things that would become 914 01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:03.680 mammals basically went into high and evolved into smaller object smaller creatures that didn't require 915 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:09.600 as much energy. And then over time when the dinosaurs came along, and 916 01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:13.039 although that was actually the beginning of the age of the dinosaurs, when the 917 01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:18.079 Permian period started and there ended, and then after that when the dinosaurs ended, 918 01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:23.239 well, now those little creatures that would become mammals were still hiding in 919 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:28.079 the shadows and there was all these niches that opened up. Ooh, I 920 01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:30.119 can go there now, Ooh, that food is amazing. I can have 921 01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:33.439 that food now. Or I'm gonna start doing this and look at that and 922 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:39.159 our oxygen levels, our oxygen levels are great again. Hey we made Earth 923 01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:42.760 grade again. Right, So then they're gonna go and they breathe this oxygen. 924 01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:45.359 They off they go, and they change, and they evolved and they 925 01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:49.319 eventually become us. I know it left out so many things in between, 926 01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:54.600 but that's effectively how it was. So what it shows me is that in 927 01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:58.000 general, could we say and I can't say this is true, but could 928 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:02.239 we say that perhaps ammal like life is sort of like the norm on a 929 01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:05.079 planet. Is that like a template because it was sort of like on its 930 01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:11.439 way to mammalian life back in the Permian and then when the dinosaurs died off, 931 01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:15.199 it became mammalian life again, which is us. So that's that's a 932 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:18.319 strong thing. That's a thing to think about. Not necessarily something to say 933 01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:21.760 and hang your hat on and say that's where it is, but that could 934 01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:28.720 be a dominant maybe right, maybe, Well, market, it's been awesome 935 01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:31.199 as always. It's always fun talking to whether we're on air or off air. 936 01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:34.880 Now, can you just once again throw how people can watch this on 937 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:40.800 Sunday around sunset? You said, what time would that be? Eastern time? 938 01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:45.760 Okay? Yeah, okay, um at sunset an eastern Eastern time. 939 01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:51.279 Yeah. Let me let me just look here and give me an idea. 940 01:14:51.319 --> 01:15:00.319 Okay, So the eclipse is going to begin right um at let's see seven 941 01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:06.279 seven fifty nine Arizona time. No, um, I'm sorry about that, 942 01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:15.199 nine ten fifty nine an Eastern time, and the total eclipse will be at 943 01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:23.760 eleven thirty pm Eastern time, and then from there it just fades off and 944 01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:26.199 goes. It takes the same amount of time to go on as it does 945 01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:29.520 that come off, move out from behind the Sun, come out from behind 946 01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:32.520 the Earth. And this is a total eclipse. So we're gonna see a 947 01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:35.479 blood a blood moon again. It's gonna be a blood red moon in the 948 01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:39.560 sky. You're used to sing a full moon at the full moon, but 949 01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:44.359 this is going to be a blood red moon. You could actually you could 950 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:46.840 actually miss it. You could look forward in the sky and see where's the 951 01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:53.920 moon. I saw one one lunar eclipse that was so so blood red that 952 01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:58.399 in mildly light poluted skies it was hard to find the moon. Pretty cool. 953 01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:01.640 We're gonna have a telescope on it, and I'll be Sunday starting at 954 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:05.880 eight eight pm, eight oh five pm, it's when it we'll start. 955 01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:11.039 We have our kgra A radio show, Sky to a Radio, which is 956 01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:15.840 our astronomy show from six to eight on KGr A sixty eight pm Eastern time. 957 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:19.079 And then right afterwards we're going to go into the stream and join this 958 01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:24.479 stream live. Excellent. Well, I will put a link in the notes 959 01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:28.560 or a link in the text of this show. Awesome, alright, seeing 960 01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.479 everybody out there you know, we just love astronomy. It's what we do. 961 01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:33.760 Yes, and I love what you do. Mark, thank you very 962 01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:38.840 much and thanks for being on this show. Thank you so much. All 963 01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:41.520 Right, and talk to you soon. All right, everyone, So we 964 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:45.119 have Sean Kahill on next week. Thank you so much for tuning in, 965 01:16:45.479 --> 01:17:00.279 and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.