WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:07.040 Howdy and welcome to the Three Truckos podcast, presented by Baseball Perspectives. I'm 2 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:10.400 your host Ian left Wuiz and joining me as always from suburban Michigan, it 3 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:12.519 is Ben Murphy. Ben. How are you doing? I'm doing well? 4 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:16.679 Ian? How are you? I'm doing well. Delighted to be here and 5 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:22.800 uh back in um in May where we're baseball starting account. It's very exciting 6 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:29.519 starting to count just now. Yeah, yeah, you know, you know 7 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:32.960 what they say, after three weeks you shouldn't panic, and after four weeks 8 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:39.240 everything matters. Yeah, traditional folk wisdom. Um. Joining me as always, 9 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:41.679 also from the nation's capital, it is Jared Wis Jared, how are 10 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:45.920 you doing? I'm doing well. Oriels are staging and comeback as we speak. 11 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:51.960 Um. What I like is that people listen to this. Uh you 12 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:58.200 know with schedule, Yeah, Oriels are going to be losing some game. 13 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:03.000 They're gonna get one base runner and everybody knows that. For Jared, that's 14 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:08.519 staging a comeback. I guess you could think of the Orioles as staging a 15 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:18.879 comeback in the cosmic sense, you know, with the astronomical version of time. 16 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:25.599 All right, yeah, all right, aren't we all in the long 17 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:30.799 run. Um, but uh no, we have no time for Oriols jokes 18 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:36.319 because we have a great podcast, probably honestly filled with a bunch of oriol 19 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:40.959 jokes. But before that, but those are funny. Yeah, Before that, 20 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.680 we have baseball content. We're gonna try to talk a little real baseball. 21 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:49.560 Um. We are going to answer some questions. We're going to dip 22 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:55.799 into the scorcy Talk forums for some hot, hot takes. This is gonna 23 00:01:55.840 --> 00:02:05.200 be the PTI of Scorcy Talk. Really my highest, highest and best aspiration 24 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:08.840 for myself. Um de yeah. But before we do that, this is 25 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:15.240 probably not going to be the longest of episodes. Um, which I realized 26 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:19.479 saying that that you actually can see the runtime in front of you. So 27 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:24.639 I either just told you the truth or a really good joke. We'll see 28 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:30.680 either way. They're happy. Um, yeah, but we'll get we'll get 29 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:36.599 right into it. Um. We actually got a few questions this week, 30 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:39.840 so I am delighted as always to turn it over to our mailback, Captain, 31 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:44.319 mailback, captain, how's it going? Fantastic? We get letters, 32 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:52.520 they're great. Who's Who's Tony? And who's Wilbon? That's it? Did 33 00:02:52.560 --> 00:03:04.439 you immediately stack by yourself. That is very tough. Um. True. 34 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:07.599 Fact, I have never seen an episode of part in the Interruption and falling. 35 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.639 Oh really wow? Yeah, from end to end. I used to 36 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:15.479 listen to the podcast, just like keep up with Sporting Curni events, And 37 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:22.960 then when High Noons started coming on, I stopped listening to PTI because well 38 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:28.639 I should have stopped a while ago. But Bemani Jones and Paula Toia do 39 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:36.280 a much better job of not sounding old and curmudgeon and generally wrong about things 40 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:50.360 that sees extremely accurate. Yeah, also describing a large percentage of the damning 41 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.599 with faint praise. Perhaps, Yeah, it's interesting like Kornheiser isn't doing the 42 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:59.280 one that irritated me. Um, yeah, as much. But Wilbon had 43 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:02.439 a lot of like elier than now, old person and get off my lawn 44 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:06.800 kinds of takes that got really omnoxious. Again, I aspire to that one 45 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:12.039 day, maybe maybe even a few minutes. Oh maybe I am a Wilbon. 46 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:17.800 All right, this is exciting. Yeah, all right, if you 47 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.959 can get on here, I mean that, listeners, if you want to, 48 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:25.759 if you want to weigh in, please squorcheet at baseball perspective? Is 49 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:29.240 this like Eric Moyer's question about which one of us is each outcome is like 50 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:33.519 which one of us is each person? On PTI, we will answer any 51 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:38.600 of three things. I let me be honest. That is a really evergreen 52 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:42.079 question. I kind of love it. Yeah, yeah, we should start 53 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:45.040 doing that, all right, but we gotta go move on because the im 54 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:54.199 promises is going to be a short run times. Yeah, that's um. 55 00:04:54.759 --> 00:05:00.199 So the first question comes from Michael, who claims to be a regu their 56 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:04.959 listener enjoy our shows but didn't like our discussion of the theater um last podcast. 57 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:09.439 I think at least one of those clauses is not true. And if 58 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.120 it's the one about theater, we could talk about the Tonys. I'm gonna 59 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:18.680 talk about the Tonys. Talk about the Tonys, do you feel Yeah, 60 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:24.360 let's talk about the Tony. Your boy Aaron Sarkin got robbed, you got 61 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:26.360 Well, he's not a he's not a Broadway kind of guy. Like I 62 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:28.279 mean, let's face it, he's not one of them, and they're it 63 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.279 just it should have happened, but it didn't. But that's okay. He 64 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:35.639 doesn't need it. He doesn't need it. It's fine, he's just gonna 65 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:42.639 be an EO for the rest of his life. Huh um, yeah, 66 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:47.360 all right, yeah, okay. So again, the person who said like 67 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:56.000 everything about our podcast except the theater context delivered straight theater contest to you anger 68 00:05:56.079 --> 00:06:00.519 on the pulse of listener dum. Anyway, Michael is in m al Keating. 69 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:04.160 He's Team eight if anyone wants to follow along, which is a third 70 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:10.279 thirteen keep al only league that's been around since the mid eighties. That's pretty 71 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:18.279 cool that he's nice, he says, in that time, he only has 72 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.839 one championship, But we haven't been potting since the mid eighties, and don't 73 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:27.399 understand and as in the second year ever rebuild, and has some questions for 74 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:30.319 our team. He's at time of this recording, he's at four hundred, 75 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:34.519 sorry, at five hundred, four games out of his division. So his 76 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:40.360 first question to us is whether we think he should try to compete this year. 77 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:44.079 He has some guys from who are injured, like Lindor, Judge, 78 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.800 Dickerson, Givaldi, but he doesn't think he has the depth or the talent 79 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:57.480 to compete this year. Would you agree? Um? So in times like 80 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:00.519 these, what I have enjoyed doing, and which I've been recommending every couple 81 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:08.360 of weeks, is going to Rob MCN's well score Baseball perspectus is But you 82 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.759 know, we know the brains behind this. That's the Taken Players Report, 83 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.839 which you can find on the Scoresheet Draft aid tab, which kind of put 84 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:24.680 lines up your keepers along a number of axes and tells you about I would 85 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:28.240 say this is a really rough estimate of you know, how good your team 86 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:35.399 is based upon projected SSIM, the value that Baseball Perspectives uses for scoresheetum. 87 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:40.720 According to that, I you know, I would tend to agree that the 88 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:44.759 team is sort of punching above its weight. And I think I think that's 89 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.000 true to some extent even looking at the team. You know, this is 90 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:57.040 am for a ten team league. You know that a little it's a little 91 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.800 shallow. We played a lot of I think twelve and twenty four teen leagues, 92 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:03.600 so sometimes it's a little tough for us to adjust. But you probably 93 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:13.000 want like two or three stars to be like a competitive team. And you 94 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:18.279 know, especially when it comes to the pitching, this isn't something I see 95 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.000 from his team. So you know, I think if you look at the 96 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:26.480 top five, top thirteen keepers. Again, this is something I recommend for 97 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:33.159 everybody as an exercise. In this case, I see like a lack of 98 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:37.039 top end talent that I think is going to make it really difficult to compete 99 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:41.480 in the long run this year. Yeah, so it looks like teammate is 100 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:48.240 second to last in top five, second to last in top eight, second 101 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:52.320 to last in top ten, etc. So you're better than team seven woo. 102 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:56.720 Yeah, and which you know, it's like it might be the person 103 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:03.240 in the league's named after or is related to the person anyway. Sorry, 104 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:09.360 you're sending in your questions, please send in your entire league history. You 105 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:11.679 know, we we demand context. Um No, you know, I think 106 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:16.360 it's been some canny drafting, probably some lucky drafting this year. You know, 107 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.399 hunterd Dozier's broken out. I like Shane Bieber. I don't know that 108 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.440 he can front a playoff winning rotation, but I don't think he's that far 109 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:31.080 off, you know. I think there are a couple of good breaks, 110 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.399 some bad breaks. Like an average team, I think it's probably punching a 111 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:37.679 little bit above its weight. And I would, you know, if it 112 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.759 continues to do so for three more months, right, But you know, 113 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:45.399 I don't think I would plan for that. I think we all agree here 114 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.200 that it's yeah, punching above its weight, probably unlikely to be competitive. 115 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.799 Doesn't mean you have to throw away the entire team right the second. But 116 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:54.039 but yeah, it's not one who projected to be a winner. But this 117 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:58.519 leads into his second question because I think that deep down Michael knew that, 118 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.879 and he knew that. One of the reasons that his team is called over 119 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:07.159 performing, if you want, is because of hundred Dojer who you mentioned. 120 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:09.480 Did you guys see his triple slash in this league? Because it's insane. 121 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:15.399 No hunter Dojer in this league is triple slashing three fifty five, four sixty 122 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:20.279 two, seven sixty three. Because he's slugging seven sixty three the next highest 123 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.200 guys under six hundred. He's one hundred fifty point higher than anyone else. 124 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:30.000 Um, that's not right. It takes a lot to get chared that exasperated 125 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:35.639 about Remember when we saw a Hunter Dojer in Idaho Falls. I can tell 126 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.799 you he doesn't. I remember, I remember the game in Idaho Falls. 127 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:41.120 I don't remember hundred. Yeah, do you remember anything about the game in 128 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:46.279 Idaho Pap, I sure do, Yet was there a no hitter in the 129 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.320 game? Well, you know, if the team scores a run but they 130 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.559 haven't had any hits, is it still count as a no hitter? Is 131 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.159 it a no hitter? I'm not sure, but I remember talking about this 132 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:00.240 game. Yeah, yeah, for those who haven't, Um, Jared is 133 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.399 this might surprise you as Nora's fan of the superstitious sort, also of the 134 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.960 doomed sort, you know, and I would say, believes a little bit 135 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:13.320 in the no hitter jinks any kind Yeah, any jinks. Um. It's 136 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:20.600 not like Jared is discerning about his chinks and the people behind us at at 137 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.000 this game that we were at in Idaho Falls, Idaho a lovely place, 138 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:33.840 um, although more falls Um whatcob nation for Idaho falls more falls? Um? 139 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.399 But I would say the better part of three innings describe asking each other 140 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:43.519 what a no hitter was in like brand detail, just saying the words no 141 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:50.080 hitter over and over and over again. As this picture Yander Carmo uh carried 142 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.960 a no hitter into the ninth inning, which neither of us have seen before 143 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.320 in our lives. And it's the one thing, oh sorry, I had 144 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:07.000 seen no hit. The Orioles that's fair, is my white whale. And 145 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.440 you know, is the most exciting thing to see in baseball the absence or 146 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:15.840 something, which is what makes me small special um so, and just the 147 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:20.559 idea of watching Jared visibly cringe next to me every time the word no hitter 148 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:26.200 was said, which is like several, like about twenty to thirty times, 149 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.519 and like is that but do they have an error? Does an error count 150 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.480 a no hitter? Does that mean they don't have any hits? Is that 151 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.240 a no hitter? So what what does no hitter? No hitter, no 152 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:37.600 hitter, no hitter? And then like every time you just see like this 153 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:43.080 galvanic reaction, just like horrible like shrieking pain coming next to me, which 154 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.360 is obviously what they look for even more than a no hitter in life. 155 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:54.120 Anyway, provides me that one hundred was really good in that game, and 156 00:12:54.519 --> 00:13:00.440 I see a breakout half a decade later. So get back to the question, 157 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:05.600 Yeah, we've got hundred doser. And then Adelberto Mondessi, who is 158 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.919 also an a little like crazy and he wants to know what to do with 159 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.720 Mondasy and Dozer? Are there people? Are they guys you would consider trying 160 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.919 to trade now? Do you do you think they're long term keepers that it's 161 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:22.639 not worth investigating. Do you have any thoughts in them? Yeah, I 162 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:28.039 mean I keep my options open. I think you could certainly offer Hunter Tosher 163 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:33.759 around to any team in need for what you perceive his equivalent value and lock 164 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:39.480 it in. Um. I think it's hard to say. You know, 165 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:45.320 we live in the stadcast world where everything kind of has the explanation behind it, 166 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:52.639 right, And I haven't fully bored down one hundred doser. But you 167 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.559 know, I was listening to Mike Petriolo talk about this last week, and 168 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.679 you know, just looking at him there there's an aspect to this that feels 169 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:11.200 realm Despite that, like, I think you could also still, you know, 170 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:15.720 he might still be better off on another team than yours. Even if 171 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:22.480 that is true, you think should be looking for like younger or longer run 172 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:28.080 value instead of older guys that are less likely to hold it. Yeah, 173 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.840 Hunter Dozer is already twenty seven. Is a thing that you should know about 174 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:37.759 him if you're not like immediately familiar with him so far. He was a 175 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:46.679 college prospect, I believe, and you know has been circling the miners for 176 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:50.960 a while, you know, and again, like because of swing pass change, 177 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.320 he's I think pulling the ball much more than he used to. Um. 178 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:00.200 You know, it's hard to say that changes like these are completely out 179 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:05.279 of the realm of possibility anymore. But I guess, like with Max Munsey 180 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.799 last year, I guess you count your blessings. But I think you may 181 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.840 want to shop him and see if you can get something that's a little more 182 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:18.720 stable or a little more future oriented. Even if that's true, I don't 183 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:24.919 bear Demondasy is really interesting. He's not a player who I know what to 184 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:31.399 make of. Really, I think he has He's not a player who I 185 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:35.279 had been particularly high on because I tend to like performance a little more than 186 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:43.840 projection. And you know, the power has come to a degree that I 187 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:50.519 didn't really expect. But you know, even if it's not like a form 188 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.159 that is ideal or you know, the pure platonic like moneyball through Chilcolm's style. 189 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:02.600 But you know, he's still super young. I don't think you have 190 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:04.559 to trade him right away. I think he'd have value. I think he'd 191 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:07.399 have value at the end of the year. I think he'd have value at 192 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.679 the end of next year, even if he has a down year, people 193 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:15.200 will still remember its power. Yeah, that pedigree is going to stick for 194 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.120 the people that like him. Yeah. So I mean again, like if 195 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:21.360 you get a good deal, and if not, he's on your team and 196 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:26.360 pushing you forward. So I don't know. I guess the answer as always 197 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:33.919 depends but fair enough, right, it depends on what you get back, 198 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:38.639 but I wouldn't force anything. He's probably be more inclined to trade Dojer if 199 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:44.519 you get a good deal back. That's fair Ben in like the abschect sense, 200 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.080 someone like Dojer who's hitting the crap out of the ball in a way 201 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.120 that I think everyone acknowledged this probably is going to last for the rest of 202 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:55.679 the season, but he still has some value. Is there is there still 203 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:57.159 a way to trade someone like that? It just as long as they're want 204 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:02.840 to just their expectations, or is there just it's unrealistic to expect a trade 205 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:07.720 to happen? Do you think I think Ian's advice about shopping him around is 206 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.559 how you're gonna figure out if you can get a good deal or not, 207 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:18.039 and you're looking for somebody that's just you know, more willing to pay something 208 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:22.720 close to present value instead of like some kind of discounted future value, but 209 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:30.000 he's hitting well enough that he'll definitely be able to move him. So yeah, 210 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.920 I don't know that. I guess it depends on what Mike thinks it's 211 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.759 going to happen to Dojer in the future, and whether he thinks that Dozier 212 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.559 is going to be part of Mike's next team that's competing or not. Yeah, 213 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:48.799 because yeah, twenty seven is not so old that you couldn't see contending 214 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:53.440 with him on the roster right right, and I think he's kind of played 215 00:17:53.519 --> 00:18:00.759 himself into at least being I don't know Yander orlans Will left, which is 216 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:06.359 doesn't sound exceptional. But to be clear, Hunter Dozer a month ago was 217 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:11.640 projected to be one of the worst hitters in baseball, so to have even 218 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.440 a third number thirteen keeper out of him is great and I think there's potential 219 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.880 for more um HUNTERD. Dojer, who was hit slogging six eighty eight in 220 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:22.279 real life. By the way, m one other fact about HUNTERD. Dozer 221 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:27.799 that I forgot about, but I did flag for this podcast. So Hunter 222 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:33.720 Dozer, I was looking up his stats and pancrafts and there's an recent article 223 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.000 about him by Craig Edwards. That says a lot of what I was saying, 224 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:44.079 but better and with charts and you know, supporting facts. But the 225 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:51.599 one upshot at the end of it is that Hunter Dozer's plate discipline shows he 226 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:55.160 swings a few pitches and doesn't make contact on pitches outside the zone. He 227 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.039 doesn't have a ton of close comps, but the closest might be Tommy pham. 228 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.359 Um, he's fairly patient and out of the zone, and when he 229 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:08.079 makes contact, he hits all hard. Um, so as everyone knows, 230 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:15.720 I am a big fan, and it's just as painful every time. He 231 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:22.160 never gets less painfreing Yeah, and if that is hundred's best comp I guess 232 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:26.039 you hold on to him forever. Okay, that cool. Yeah, let's 233 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:30.039 move on and maybe let's grab it up. Michael also asked him about go 234 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.440 ahead. Sorry, I was just gonna say it. Um. My sense 235 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:37.880 is that if you're wondering, like whether it's time to compete or like play 236 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.640 for next year, that almost always means play for next year, right, 237 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:47.559 Because like I think our at least most of us anyway, are like inherent 238 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:52.799 biases to overestimate our team, and so if you think they might not be 239 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.119 good enough to contend they're probably not good enough, right, Yeah, I 240 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:02.079 think I think that's fair stude observation, not that like, and I think, 241 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:06.599 um, Jared, you pointed out earlier like Mike sort of asked his 242 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:10.319 question in a leading enough way that we had a sense that he was going 243 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:14.400 down that path anyway. But I guess for everybody that's out there listening that 244 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.279 maybe nothing about Mike's team specifically sounded applicable to them. Maybe that will help, 245 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:25.119 Like, if you're not sure, that's very true. And you know, 246 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:29.000 I think something that you ben say a lot too, is like compete 247 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:32.559 for what, like compete for the playoffs? Yeah, or compete to be 248 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:36.640 the best team. Yeah, and maybe the playoffs is something that people want 249 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:40.319 to compete for. I'm not saying that you should, but we compete for 250 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:45.839 championships. So trust the process, okay, yeah cool? Um, So, 251 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.400 yeah, Michael had asked about starting pitchers, but I think we agreed 252 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.240 that that was the source of weakness for him. So unless you guys object, 253 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:57.559 let's just talk about the prospects he considers. Wander Franco Adele and Royce 254 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:02.880 Lewis is untouchable, Ian is it offensive to put Wander Franco in the same 255 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:06.079 sentences of their prospects other than these other prospects are not as good as wander 256 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:12.359 Franco. Look, the thing is, we just luck boxed into getting Wander 257 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.799 Franco in our league, and then all of a sudden, in the you 258 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.519 know you love your own prospects the most, he is now the lord and 259 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:22.319 savior of our team. Um. I think Joe adell Is is a very 260 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:30.400 strong prospect. I am not convinced on Royce Lewis yet, but you know, 261 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:37.319 uh like, I think the upside is there, so sure. Cool. 262 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:40.319 But and then he talks about a bunch of other prospects. I don't 263 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:42.839 think you list him off. Do you have any thoughts on McKay or Kyle 264 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:51.640 Tucker or um any other prospects on his team? Um, so what to 265 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:55.680 do with I wouldn't even say these are second tier prospects. I think these 266 00:21:55.720 --> 00:22:02.920 are pretty clear, um, you know, solid, especially in traditional heart 267 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:08.720 thirteen league keeper or heart thirteen keeper leagues. These are I think very solid 268 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:14.839 prospects. I would hold on to anyone who I consider too there. Let's 269 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:21.200 say average outcome being a plus keeper, and I wouldn't really concern myself with 270 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:26.039 having too many of them, especially this year. Is there anyone on his 271 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:30.440 team he wouldn't suggest keeping or you try to get rid of. Well, 272 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:36.119 I wouldn't what he said. I would probably not package them into a starting 273 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:40.160 pitcher, because again, that's something that depreciates pretty quickly. That's a question 274 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:44.960 that he was asking, and that probably appreciates even quicker than a prospect. 275 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:48.119 Like if he has Nate Piriston on his team, If Nate Pearson has Tommy 276 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:52.000 John surgery next year or this month, I think you could potentially still get 277 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:56.640 something for him next year. And if that happens with a major league pitcher, 278 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:02.839 I think you're out of luck. I don't immediately see players who I 279 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:08.039 would get rid of. I would probably look to trade Ryan mount Castle he 280 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:15.720 gets to the major leagues. Yeah everything o jain Yeah, no, doing 281 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:21.160 great, stub your toe. Why would you training ry trade Ryan mountain Castle 282 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:30.559 because he can't hit or field? You know, he's having he's having a 283 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.640 much better you know, April than I expected, and I'm probaly gonna end 284 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.039 up having to eat some crow. But like I still don't understand, like 285 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:42.279 I think he he is a player, and there are a bunch of players 286 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:45.559 of this type, you know, the tweener players who are like, well, 287 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:51.000 he was once a shortstop prospect and he would be a great hitter for 288 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:57.240 a shortstop prospect, and now he's a first based prospect and he still hits 289 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:03.960 about the same. Um. I don't really trust the Oriel development staff yet, 290 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:07.799 but they're the asters now, I know. Um. But I think 291 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.359 one thing in general to think of is like, I think some prospects may 292 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.640 have as much value as possible, Like their maximal value might be the day 293 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:21.359 they get called up to the big leagues. Yeah, so you know, 294 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:23.319 if you're if there's a player like that, I think he has Griff Canning 295 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:30.000 on his team. I think that's another potential tradeable candidate. Like, uh, 296 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:34.799 you know, these are players with potentially having kind of the bloom is 297 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:38.200 not off the rose. If there's something you're getting in return that you think 298 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:45.119 is more stable, or you're getting a keeper back or a good deal. 299 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.640 You know, it all depends. Again it's the four what question, But 300 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:53.480 those might be players I look to move the high triple A players for contending 301 00:24:53.559 --> 00:25:00.079 teams the day they get to the majors or whereabouts? Cool? That's fair? 302 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:06.559 Um, shall we move on? Absolutely? Thanks for writing Michael from 303 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:10.119 We're gonna go. From Michael, who has been playing score sheets since at 304 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:14.359 least the mid eighties, it sounds like to Mike, who has been playing 305 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:22.359 score sheet for over twenty five years. Were questions right? Little Mike support 306 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:29.200 groupment anyway? Um? So Mike's question is about where to play outfielders defensively. 307 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:32.039 He always puts his top defensive outfielder in center field. But what do 308 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:34.519 you do about left field and red field? Is it better to list one 309 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:38.039 a better or worst defender than the other or just put away from let scores 310 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.799 sheet decide? How do you decide what to do with left field and right 311 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.319 field? We did a little research here. I don't know if we did 312 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:51.839 enough research here. We did. We did some research, and but probably 313 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:56.759 not into the answer to this question, which is that's fair? We did 314 00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.200 we did? We did a lot of research. Yeah, yeah, we 315 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.200 learned a lot about Josh Walland's career, Josh William who is mentioned in the 316 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:11.880 official scorreesheet rules. But we did also look into the fielding rules and although 317 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.240 I can't say for sure, I think the implication of this question is right 318 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:21.000 that if, as you guys know, because you have been playing score sheet 319 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:26.319 for a very long time, the sporting news and the official stats did not 320 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:32.599 split the outfield positions for a very long time, and I Scoresheet was built 321 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:40.359 in that era, and so I don't believe there are chain differences between left 322 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:47.799 field and right field for that reason. Yeah, Mike, you I think 323 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.640 so. I remember we talked about this a while ago, whenever it was, 324 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:57.680 But there's nothing that I've ever seen where Scoresheet differentiates between any part of 325 00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:03.759 the lineup card the sim or the range factors based on like left field and 326 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.640 right field. So you know, like theoretically, in a normal baseball game, 327 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.799 right fielders like arms play a bigger factor than left fielders. But it's 328 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.200 not like there's an arm rating in scores sheet or anything like that. So 329 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:22.240 I think that helps corroborate the idea that left and right or sort of interchangeable 330 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.480 as far as Scoresheet lineup cards go. Yeah, there is one way I 331 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:30.240 do use left and right field and break them out online of card. If 332 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:36.000 I ever want a defensive replacement to replace one guy but not the other, 333 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:44.039 I will use left and right for that the guy you want replaced in one 334 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:47.400 of the two or like always in left field. Yeah, the guy I 335 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:51.319 want replaced in left field, and then the replacement in left field as well. 336 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.880 And did you just pick left randomly or do you think it matters which 337 00:27:53.880 --> 00:28:00.200 one you pick? I mean I picked it because, damn it, left 338 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.720 field is an easier position to play that, right, But yeah it's random, 339 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:08.119 like okay, not because you thought scores she cared. No, be 340 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:15.079 a human recognizes that right correct way. That's somebody that's watched baseball for more 341 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:19.279 than ten minutes in your life. You know that. Yeah. Yeah, 342 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:23.920 I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise. Yeah, but that doesn't Just to 343 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:26.720 clarify, that does not mean the three of us are right if we're wrong. 344 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.799 And you were yelling at the podcast right now scoresheet at Baseball Perspectives dot 345 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.599 com. Yes please, And since you mentioned, since you mentioned the arm 346 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:40.720 bend and Mike wrote in about if arm matters and scuores sheet, would you 347 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:45.240 want that rolled into a defensive metric, either a SEP one or some sort 348 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.680 of overall defensive thing in your ideal world or is it not worth the hassle? 349 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:59.720 I mean, oh, I think like the sim that I want to 350 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.720 play a personally doesn't get you to that level of detail, but certainly a 351 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:11.079 realistic sim should is that. I don't know if that's enough. It's like, 352 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.039 I don't I don't personally really care, but I think if the goal 353 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:21.640 was realism, then that's definitely something that should be included. Yeah, but 354 00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:26.799 I would say I care. I mean not like obviously it's not a deal 355 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.359 breaker either way, but it would be cool if I drafted Roman Lagano to 356 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:37.440 see him, you know, casually toss people out at third base. Don't 357 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.319 you care more about other aspects of defense in terms of like the sim being 358 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:45.960 able to account for playing players out of position with a little bit more flexibility 359 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.160 and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, it's not that it's not number 360 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.519 one right, right exactly. Think I'm nailing to the wall, but you 361 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.759 know it's on there, right. That's why there were ninety three. They 362 00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.960 weren't all like, you know, Protestantism is awesome. I'm sure one of 363 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:07.359 them was like, you should have a throwing arm. I don't know. 364 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:14.359 I wasn't a religious study adventure. Yeah, I think I'm more on the 365 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.759 bedside, just because it's fun to everyone Loriano, but I think I don't 366 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:22.119 know if I personally think it's worth the hassle of dealing with people are all 367 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:27.119 roughly the same of the fun of one Loriano. Sure cool, Um, 368 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:32.200 And those are the questions, thanks squarescy to Baseball Perspectives dot com. Really 369 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:36.920 questions, Um, did you want to talk about the squoreshy talk questions? 370 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.240 Yeah. So there there were a few more questions this week, which you 371 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.880 know, we didn't responded directly because there's kind of been a back and forth 372 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:51.160 in the last couple of days from when we're recording this about a couple of 373 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:56.079 points which I think dovetail into what we've sort of been talking about in this 374 00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:00.960 conversation of late. Um, you know, the little bit about the way 375 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.160 in which a sim is made, the way this sim is made, the 376 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.319 way we like sins. I thought these were at least interesting topic starters. 377 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:14.319 So there are two two email chains. This is the scoresheet Talk forum on 378 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.200 Yahoo. Turns out you can't google it look for it on Yahoo groups, 379 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:25.640 but I assume many of you are subscribe to it already. The first email, 380 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:32.000 I'll just read the initial email, which is that somebody said that I 381 00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:33.599 have a starting pitcher that for the past week gave a five runs in the 382 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.880 majors. In scoresheet, he gave up seventeen. Something doesn't seem right. 383 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:42.359 His era in the week for MLB was four point seven. He pitched four 384 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:47.880 point two innings and scoresheet over two games. For the same two games, 385 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.720 my team was assessed nine errors, but in MLB the same players only committed 386 00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:59.920 three. So and the subject line, which I think sums it up well, 387 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:05.599 is I don't understand. I just don't understand how this works. Um 388 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.839 So, when you guys hear that sort of thing, I guess my first 389 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:15.759 question is how do you feel about? Um? I get how do you 390 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:21.200 feel about that concept? Do you feel like players giving up four runs in 391 00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:28.279 score sheet and seventeen runs in real life? Is I mean something has gone 392 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.920 wrong in the system. Let me chime in first, real quick, just 393 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:37.200 the interest of fairness. Esteemed leader Jeff Barton chimed in on the thread and 394 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.920 said that according to him, he got seven errors instead of nine ers and 395 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:47.559 thirteen total runs instead of seventeen runs. Sure, okay, um yeah, 396 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:52.640 so, I guess doesn't change your point necessarily. Also, when you go 397 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.119 on till Yeah, but um right, I think it's fair to say that 398 00:32:55.240 --> 00:33:00.359 it probably felt it worse than it was. But does that bother you the 399 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:06.960 way it bothers the initial right for those of us that haven't read the thread 400 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:12.720 was their context given about the season to date and how the season to date 401 00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:17.039 compares between real life and the sim For these folks, um no, But 402 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:24.519 I think Garth Hewitt in particular responded with that exact point. Okay, yeah, 403 00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:32.000 because I know that the sim has some internal like machinations that use like 404 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:37.480 the season to date as a guide post sometimes. Yeah, and there. 405 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.920 So there was a follow up from another writer who said that he has Walker 406 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.759 Bueller headed for a twenty last season and scoresheet. He's o and six with 407 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.960 six ninety in real life he's three and now with a five twenty two ERA, 408 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.799 and he's going to lose twenty twenty games. And he said maybe if 409 00:33:53.839 --> 00:34:00.400 he was a Giant pitcher, he may have changed. Um, I don't. 410 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:06.000 I don't know that the scoresheet simulation has a punish the Dodgers support the 411 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:15.119 Giants module in its seems like a surprising one. But I like it conspiracy 412 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:20.920 theory, you know, it's interesting because I feel like one of the things 413 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:27.320 that we have learned in our time doing this is that not everybody sees the 414 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.760 world the same way we do and use the same statistics that we do, 415 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.079 you know, And here you have somebody looking to match up wind totals, 416 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.119 which you know, I think to be fair is in scoresheet, right, 417 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.960 Yeah, I'm just seeing the roles. They d emphasize it, but they 418 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:51.760 say winds do matter. Yeah, yeah, And you know, I think 419 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:53.639 that's one of those things that the three of us would not look to match 420 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.599 at all or to pack towards Noah. But even the run thing, like 421 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:04.559 giving them five runs versus in the majors for the week versus thirteen or whatever 422 00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.159 ends up being I think this is a tough one because there's always going to 423 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.280 be outliers, right, and there's always some weird situation where you don't have 424 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.679 a defense or whatever. But I get the point, like that feels a 425 00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:16.559 little off to me. I'm not saying it is off, but it feels 426 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:21.480 it feels off. There's something that would make me want to investigate or complain 427 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.760 or whine, Like I'll totally get that reaction if the season to date like 428 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:28.599 runs aloud. Let's assume the innings match, just for the sake of simplicity. 429 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:31.800 If the season to date runs Alloud was notably lower in the score sheet 430 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:40.119 performance for whatever reason, it seems to me like that's something that maybe not 431 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:44.800 every score sheet player, but like a score sheet player that's on scoresheet talking 432 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:49.440 is reading those foreign posts should be like relatively well aware of, right, 433 00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.159 I guess not like quote unquote balancing is news. No, no, I 434 00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.480 get that, but still feels off. It still feels like too much balancing. 435 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.559 Yeah, And I think that's a little bit. Why brought this up 436 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:02.800 is that, you know, even I looked at the numbers and was like, 437 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.960 well, you know, it's not like something and it maybe not went 438 00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:15.480 wrong, but like I could see where you would feel that way. And 439 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:21.760 I think all the more so because you have people saying, like, you 440 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:27.840 know later in the thread, like E R is the key trigger you know 441 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:32.199 that, or that the SIM targets R a M. And you had Jeff 442 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:37.800 Barton pushing back on that, saying sim's not only target R a UM but 443 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:44.280 using bold end cap letters. It was yes, um, you know, 444 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:49.280 but I feel like there is an expectation on some level that the sim targets 445 00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:53.679 ra for pictures, and if it does not do that, then there is 446 00:36:53.760 --> 00:37:01.360 at least some subset of the customer, you know, the customers who feel 447 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:07.880 a strong sense of dissonance. And you know, Ben I was wondering, 448 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:12.840 as somebody who, let's say, is interested in how sims work and making 449 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.280 sims, how to resolve that sort of dissonance for people who may not be 450 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:22.199 where you are. Yeah, I mean, it's one of the fundamental questions 451 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.239 you have to resolve when you think about how you're going to create something, 452 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.960 because I think a lot of times the appeal of a simulation is that it's 453 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:39.039 not deterministic like normal roto would be. But most of the time people want 454 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:45.079 their sim team to perform something like their major league counterparts, because that's how 455 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:50.119 people are drafting those players for their sim team. So they're you know, 456 00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.800 using major league stats and major league projections, and they're going to judge how 457 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:58.679 well the players are doing by their major league performance. And so if your 458 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:04.840 sim team is performing drastically different from the rage of the regular like real life 459 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:09.079 team or like players would be, then I think people would be at least 460 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.800 uncomfortable with that. In certain situations. It also strikes me as the kind 461 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.039 of thing where people are not going to ever notice or at least call out 462 00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:21.480 the situations where their players are much better in the sim than in real life. 463 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.880 But as soon as they're like much worse in the sim than in real 464 00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:28.280 life, people are gonna, you know, start posting on social media and 465 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.320 all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I know that when we've talked about 466 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:38.920 it before, we feel like there's at least some cohort of the player base 467 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:43.960 that says they want something that is random, but they really just wanted to 468 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:49.320 feel random. They don't want it to actually be random. And the other 469 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.400 folks that say that they want something that's actually random are probably a little bit 470 00:38:53.559 --> 00:39:02.320 more amenable to seeing some differentiation or at least divergence between the fantasy performance and 471 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.199 the real life performance. And I don't know how you would really figure out 472 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:12.679 how many or like what percentage of people fit into those two groups, if 473 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:16.079 you could like formulate those in a way that they're like mutually exclusive of each 474 00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:20.840 other, or think of it like a spectrum or something, you know, 475 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.840 I don't know without doing some kind of robust survey or something like that, 476 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:29.519 how we would figure out how people actually feel about it. Yeah, And 477 00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.079 one of the things I was interesting was that you said, like the feeling 478 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:37.119 of randomness or you know, wanting things to look like ye, wanting things 479 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:42.400 to look like reality. But it's interesting because again they're like, not to 480 00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:49.480 turns into my postmodernism class, but like reality means different things to different people, 481 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:55.960 and so you know when but you know, when we're saying he gave 482 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.039 up six runs in scores shot seventeen real life, we're like, actually sounds 483 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.760 a little weird. And when someone says he's oh and six when he's three 484 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.440 and no in real life, I think all three of us immediately go, 485 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:13.320 nah, you know that's that's not a thing. But you know that but 486 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:19.119 that is somebody's reality. I don't mean to like blindly dismiss it. Um. 487 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:24.599 You know, there are people who use there are people who use EARRA. 488 00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.360 I don't really look at the ra A column anymore, but a lot 489 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.880 of people use that there and there are still people who are using wins and 490 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.280 losses. And you know, I think all three of us don't. So 491 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:42.239 where do you peg reality? I guess is but those are just different descriptions 492 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:50.400 of the same reality. And I don't think what I was describing is invalidated 493 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:55.360 by having different descriptors of reality for everybody. They're like still looking at what 494 00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:59.719 happened in the sim and what happened in real life. So however you want 495 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.639 to miss are those things. You're still going to have some people that want 496 00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:07.079 them to track and some people that are okay with them not always tracking together. 497 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.360 Right, And then yes, from there, it's important to also look 498 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:14.000 at what you were saying. I think, like, do we really care 499 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.880 about wins and losses? Is it even going to show up on the website 500 00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:23.639 versus like runs allowed, earned runs that sort of thing. Yeah, And 501 00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:28.519 in this case, if somebody, let's say, if a picture gave up 502 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:34.920 five doubles, you know, six triples, eight home runs in the seventeen 503 00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.199 runs or like five runs and seventeen runs, and he allows five runs in 504 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:44.000 real life because it was you know, clustered pretty well, and seventeen runs 505 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:50.440 in the SAM. Yeah, if they're looking at plate appearance outcome matching, 506 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.360 then it's a little bit easier to understand, right, Like how much does 507 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:59.440 sequencing matter? Yeah? And then right, not everyone is going to get 508 00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:05.880 there, And I think That's part of why I think the most elegant solution 509 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:10.000 is to have something that feels a little bit stochastic but actually tracts pretty closely 510 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:15.559 to real life, because people don't really want it to be that much different 511 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:21.599 from reality. Like, think of it too, if you're approaching it from 512 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:29.400 the Barton's perspective, it's a way a better thing for them to deal with 513 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:37.599 having to justify the feelings of randomness or whatever you want to call it, 514 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:43.480 the simulatedness than to have to deal with people constantly complaining about how the sim 515 00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.239 is doing them some kind of injustice. But just to push back on this 516 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.519 for a second again, like I think you're saying real life, But let's 517 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.199 say there's a picture. We'll call him Dylan Bundy. He gives up five 518 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:04.639 home runs, five doubles, five triples, and five runs in seventeen innings. 519 00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:08.039 Should he give up five runs or seventeen runs? And which is real 520 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:15.239 life? You're saying for his hypothetical major league team, he only gave up 521 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:20.880 the five runs on the home runs, yes, and all of the triples 522 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.079 and doubles were stranded. I mean, I think a ser Alberto is it's 523 00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:27.719 amazing or whatever. I don't know. I think everything we know about like 524 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:31.239 sequencing and stuff like that, seventeen feels more like the right answer than five. 525 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:37.679 Yeah, but I don't think either one of them are the wrong answer. 526 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.440 It's just like, which one do you prefer? And if he went 527 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:49.639 three and oh in real life? Would you want to reflect that? Why 528 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:53.320 don't? I don't know how he's going to go three and oh? I 529 00:43:53.360 --> 00:44:01.119 guess if he's scattering trade man. Yeah, how many games has his team 530 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:12.840 won overall? I guess. I'm not trying to discard the point that you're 531 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.880 trying to make about like which metrics matter, and like does our understanding of 532 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.679 the finer minutia of how the game works have a bearing on like what we 533 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:28.239 think the sims should do. I just think there's always going to be some 534 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:34.199 stratification in the fantasy player base, and you're going to see some people answer 535 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.719 the question a certain way and other people answer it the other way. And 536 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.880 if you really want to know, like what the quote unquote right answer is, 537 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:44.920 you need to know what percentage of people are in each camp, because 538 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:50.840 unless you're just doing it as a thought experiment, the goal has to be 539 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:53.239 to figure out how many people are going to make happy and how many people 540 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:58.159 are going to make frustrated based on which decision you make, right, Because 541 00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:04.960 the point of build the sim could be to be able to like actually predict 542 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.639 what's going to happen in real life, in which case you wanted to adhere 543 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:12.559 as close as you can to all of the minutia of physics and lunch angle 544 00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.440 and sequencing and all that kind of stuff. But most of the time that 545 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.440 we talk about building a sim, it's not in that context, right, 546 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:23.679 It's in the like fantasy game context. Yeah, right, it's right. 547 00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:30.239 So it's interesting. It is that like fun factor versus yeah, realism that 548 00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:35.079 we keep I you know, I think we keep circling around this point. 549 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:39.119 But I think there is something fundamental to the point, you know, I 550 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:43.599 think it's really the fundamental question of simulation. Right. Well, if I 551 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.239 was in the baseball Pops department for a major league team and I'm building a 552 00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:51.960 sim, it's for a fundamentally different reason than if I'm sitting at my desk 553 00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:55.000 at home and saying, like, score, she doesn't seem realistic enough to 554 00:45:55.079 --> 00:46:02.360 me. Right, Do you think they in the Baseball office department, what 555 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:14.440 range rating do you think, um, the second basement has well, first 556 00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.400 they have to have played ten games. Yeah, well I guess that's true. 557 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:20.800 Do they write, you know, de lete all the data until they 558 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.559 played twenty games? Last, we're like, bumber, Steve, we got 559 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:30.199 to a lot of stackcast data into the shredder. They're just stick it on 560 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.239 the pile until the pile gets big enough, and then they're like, Okay, 561 00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:37.320 now you've got a meaningful, simple size. That's fair. Recycling is 562 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:44.559 good. Um, sorry, Jared, any thoughts on this? I don't 563 00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:49.239 want to. Um, Hey, yeah, I think it's a good discussion. 564 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.679 Half. I don't think there's one right answer, right hypothetical unless here 565 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:58.159 the orioles um. Just to complicate this a little bit further so, one 566 00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.159 of the things that I thought was interesting about this was like you were saying 567 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:05.639 luck balancing, and I think a couple of people pointed out to the original 568 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:12.880 scores sheet talker that there's a chance he just had his hook super high and 569 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:19.960 the player got blasted, you know, that his pitchers just got hit hard. 570 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:24.199 And I thought there was another related comment on scores she talk someone was 571 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:32.239 asking like why Triple A players were pitching before bullpen arms, And the answer 572 00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:40.159 to that is likely that the inning to come into the game was set incorrectly, 573 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:45.880 or maybe not not incorrectly, but not to what the player was expecting 574 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:50.440 to happen, right, not love enough to get that player into the game 575 00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.559 in scores sheet as early as he would like, right? Yeah. Is 576 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:58.239 it also possible that it's about like the number of appearances that they've had and 577 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.800 so like they still had innings left, but they had already appeared in so 578 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:07.079 many games in scoresheet that like they'd used up all of their quote unquote like 579 00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.239 appearances for the week. I don't know how closely those things track. I 580 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:14.679 feel like there's some sort of rule around that, but again, none of 581 00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:20.880 us are like scoresheet scholars, unfortunately. Yeah, So please, I'm sure 582 00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:22.880 there's somebody listening that knows. So just write it and let us know and 583 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:27.679 we'll update next week, or have you on the podcast to tell everybody and 584 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.119 make it clear that we need Yeah, if you are a person who thinks 585 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.840 you can answer that question, you have a standing invite to come on the 586 00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:40.480 pot just to know. But so, my other question, when looking at 587 00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.960 these two things back to back was like, let's say, you give a 588 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:51.280 player tools to affect the outcome of the game, and in so doing they 589 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:57.400 hurt their team's performance. But isn't that what it's all about? Like, 590 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.239 right, is that is that fundamental the game? Or do people have right 591 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.599 to be angry and say this no longer reflects reality? And I don't want 592 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.039 to like dismiss that, but you know, I think there was an aspect 593 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:14.960 of that that was going on as well, Like, you know, should 594 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:22.719 reality trump your own management of the game or in game tactics separate from like 595 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:28.880 who you're playing? I guess, and this ties back to a conversation you're 596 00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.440 having NF it was last time or not. It's hard for me to believe 597 00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:38.360 in this day and age. I guess that the managerial levers you can pull 598 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:42.320 are gonna have a big enough impact that you'd expect to see the sort of 599 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.880 difference, Like I would expect the changes that you can make to make a 600 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:51.000 difference on the fringes, but not to have such a dramatic impact on your 601 00:49:51.039 --> 00:50:00.800 team. It's interesting, you know, I I definitely see that point um, 602 00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:07.559 But there is this tension between how much player control you want to add 603 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.920 to in game management and then like, if the outcomes are your fault, 604 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:20.239 I think it's clearly clearly addressing what that means, right, Yeah, yeah, 605 00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:23.400 I agree, And I think I think that's a little bit of it. 606 00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:29.800 Is, like, I think some of the pushback here in this case 607 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:37.840 is the black boxing nature of scoresheet, the simulation, yeah stuff, because 608 00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:42.400 if you give too much away, then it takes some of the fun out 609 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.360 of it, right, right, But if you don't give any information, 610 00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:53.199 then people are like, what the heck's going on? Yeah? Yeah, 611 00:50:53.760 --> 00:51:04.440 um, yeah, I think that's it's an interesting challenge. So, you 612 00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:07.119 know, I think it's something that we will probably return to you again and 613 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:12.320 again as we kind of refine our philosophical discussion of scores sheet. Yeah. 614 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:15.320 I think the other thing that I always come away with or try to remind 615 00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:20.679 myself about when we have these kinds of discussions is it's very easy for us 616 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:24.559 to sort of sit here and ponder the hypothetical, or you know, for 617 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:29.920 people on scoresheet talk to point out specific instances where things didn't really happen the 618 00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:34.360 way they expected. But it's very difficult to go through and resolve all these 619 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.000 questions and take a stance on which way you think it should work and then 620 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:43.280 set something up. And I think we probably would do well to remember that. 621 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:47.039 And I at least give like the Barton some credit for you know, 622 00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:51.119 I think you can tell like they've been fairly thoughtful about most of these things, 623 00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:53.760 regardless of whether you agree with the decision they came to the thought process 624 00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:57.559 that got them there. Like, there are very few of these things that 625 00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.599 happen where they're just sort of like, oh yeah, we just sort of 626 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.119 whimsically chose something, right. They usually have like some kind of thought process 627 00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:07.239 or there's something that was happening in like the mid eighties that I inspired them. 628 00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:12.119 But um, right, even what I see as for calcit Trens sometimes 629 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:16.039 is it like you're right, like it spawned from you know, like making 630 00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:22.280 a decision on this on a topic that has to apply to everyone, and 631 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.519 doing what they thought would be the best thing given all of the factors that 632 00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:30.599 they needed to consider, right, and the factor of actually building and maintaining 633 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:37.519 ASSIST, which is extremely extremely challenging. Right, So yeah, yeah, 634 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:39.679 I completelygue that, And I mean, to their credit, you know, 635 00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:44.000 whenever stuff like this comes up on scores you talk, they chime in with 636 00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:46.320 with the what the reasons are, and it's never oh, this just felt 637 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:49.800 right, or it's almost never this just felt right. There's always some something 638 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.440 behind it, even even here, um Jeff Chimpsen, and this one for 639 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:58.280 anyone who didn't see so he gave three reasons for why the Chiple pitchers might 640 00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:00.400 be coming in before other people the woll Pin, and one of them was 641 00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:06.519 what you were saying before Ian about them the early Sennings to be as the 642 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.639 reliever. There's two other ones that I thought, um, just to say 643 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:13.440 what they were. One was, there's a limit of eight real pictures that 644 00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:16.239 can be used in a single game, So an picture, it's a picture. 645 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:25.639 Triple adn't know that either, Yeah either, Um your hooks to point 646 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:30.639 to five. Yeah, yeah, so that's yeah. Interesting. But again, 647 00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:31.440 I mean to your point that there was a choice that they made, 648 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:34.960 and I'm sure we you know, they have some reasons behind it, but 649 00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.199 they didn't arbiture it. Jist. I'm pretty sure. I'm India, Sorry, 650 00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:43.400 I have sorry, I'm gonna interrupt you. Uh. I wonder how 651 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.639 that's going to impact situations where like the roster construction continues to change, or 652 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.519 like some of the things that we had talked about before. Yeah, like 653 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:53.639 earlier on when we were talking about like major league roster requirements and how they 654 00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:57.000 might impact the sim. But like if the sim had already had a limit 655 00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:02.719 on number of pictures per game, maybe we over blew the magnitude of the 656 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.239 shift or whatever. Anyway, sorry, go ahead, j yeah, no, 657 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:07.199 and any other one. And this is one I think we didn't know. 658 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:13.440 But it's new as of twenty twelve that short relievers can't come in before 659 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:19.679 the fourth inning. They can only be used um after so um, just 660 00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:25.440 another reason why ripley picture may come in right. And as as starting pictures 661 00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:29.360 pitch fewer and fewer innings, you may see more and more situations like that. 662 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:37.119 M Um. Yeah, all right, Well that was comprehensive. Also 663 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:46.400 comprehensive the best things we see each week. That's a segue covering all the 664 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:53.280 best things that we see each week. Um. So with that in mind, 665 00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:57.800 man, what is the best thing you saw this week? Avengers endgame? 666 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.719 Actually, U, so I won't spoil it for anybody. Actually saw 667 00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:04.159 it twice, once with my wife, which was lovely, and once with 668 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:08.800 some friends, which was also fun. You know, it wasn't I saw 669 00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:14.400 it within like two days of each other, due to some unfortunate timing. 670 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.320 But it wasn't the kind of a movie where like two days later there's like 671 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:20.920 a whole bunch of things that you noticed. But it was good. I 672 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:29.639 think I enjoy all of the like Marvel Cinematic Universe stuff, probably because it 673 00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:35.960 reminds me of like childhood and comic books and trading cards and stuff that maybe 674 00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:39.480 Jared will remember too, because that was right around when we were sort of 675 00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:45.920 getting to know each other. But I'll just say, without like spoiling anything 676 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:50.719 that there, I thought the movie did an awesome job of balancing plot, 677 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:59.800 action and comic relief and then also like genuinely emotional moments and true to everything. 678 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.119 It becomes like the best thing that I saw. I realized too, 679 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:07.119 that watching these movies now as a father totally shifts, like the things that 680 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:10.400 get to me, or like the way that I perceive certain scenes, or 681 00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:19.280 like something like that. It's like anytime something dramatic happens, basically like I 682 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.599 can tell that I'm thinking about it differently, You're looking at differently or whatever 683 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:30.119 based on this, like totally a different perspective on the world. So no 684 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:36.679 appreciation for Fatherhood through of all things, a Marvel movie, So that's good. 685 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:38.880 I recommend it. If you've seen the other movies, or like enough 686 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:42.320 of some of the other movies to think that they'd be entertaining, then I 687 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.119 think you'll like it. Even though it's some Even though its a little bit 688 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:49.400 long, it definitely moves pretty quickly. There's always like stuff going on. 689 00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:51.440 It's not like you come out of there and you're like it should have been 690 00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:53.519 half an hour shorter. Even though it's like a three hour movie or something 691 00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:59.639 like that. It's good, much different than any NBA basketball game I've seen 692 00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:05.159 recently. Yeah, the whole matter. So um, I haven't seen the 693 00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:13.880 second movie yet, but um, just no spoilers, but um, everyone 694 00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:16.920 from who died in the first movie stays dead for the entire movie, right, 695 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:23.360 and they never come back and nothing ever there half the universe remains dead 696 00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:30.760 at the end of the second movie. I assume that's what happens. I 697 00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:32.719 don't know. Don't tell me, don't tell me, adam On, No, 698 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.519 I don't want to know. Sorry. I can't even think of anything 699 00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:42.880 clever to stray to that, because it wasn't clever in the first place, 700 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.400 Jared, what is the best thing you saw this week? UM? I 701 00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:51.679 was at I guess, the equivalent of a conference UM, and there was 702 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.280 a speaker, and I'm I guess that's it. I'm generally pretty cynical of 703 00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:00.840 UM speakers and convers of this sort of thing, but this was UM. 704 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:06.119 I don't know if you or anyone's familiar with Not Impossible labs, Yeah, 705 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:10.800 yeah, Mick Eberling was there. Ebling, I getting there wrong. I 706 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:19.360 think UM was there speaking and UM it obviously was a UM talk that he's 707 00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.480 given before. I was reading I don't know, I don't know if you 708 00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:24.920 know, given online. I was reading like a Forbes article that was basically 709 00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:30.920 the same essence of the talk. But UM, it was just so inspiring 710 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:37.440 and uh just I mean, an absolute pleasure to sit through. And and 711 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:42.079 sometimes I almost felt badly for the organizers of the conference because it was for 712 00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:45.920 a very specific thing and this talk just overshadowed anything else. Like So, 713 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:49.400 this this converence went for like two and a half days, and I talked 714 00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.840 to people afterwards and to when everyone was like, the best thing was this 715 00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:57.559 talk that the Not Impossible as guy gave and it wasn't even close, like 716 00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:00.159 and some stuff just everything else was forgotten because the talk was so inspiring. 717 00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.079 And you know, I won't go into the details. The work that he 718 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:06.960 does is inspiring, and I can't speak to it's effectiveness or anything like that, 719 00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:08.880 but just it was. It was a really good talk to sit there, 720 00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:13.760 and it's it's very infrequently that I think I personally am sitting through a 721 00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:17.360 talk like that and feel inspired or feel like, wow, I really really 722 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:21.000 got something out of it. So yeah, so look looking it up on 723 00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:23.960 YouTube, it's not or were I to do that later? Not impossible? 724 00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:28.320 Yeah, yeah, the company's non impossible labs. I think the website's not 725 00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:35.360 impossible. And yeah it helped that he was a designer for movie titles, 726 00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.039 including a Bond movie, so that's sort of drew me in in the fresh 727 00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:42.079 place. But from their point, he's an interesting dude. I saw him 728 00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:45.400 speak at a SaaS conference, and I agree with everything you said that like 729 00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:54.920 inspiring and interesting and one of us like uh in my also cynical like view. 730 00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:58.440 It's all of those things that is like, it is inspiring, but 731 00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:00.800 like the flip side of that is like, man, I am really wasting 732 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:07.719 my time here. Yeah, this guy is out here doing some like really 733 01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:12.519 like phenomenal, fantastic things and I'm like, uh, yeah, I took 734 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:22.760 two naps. Yes, you're like you always got a pre nap. Um, 735 01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:30.760 so jared no spoilers for the speech. But did he threaten to kill 736 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:35.880 half the world with a snap of his fingers because there were too many resources 737 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.400 being used? It was implied. Okay, okay, again, no spoiler, 738 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:46.360 don't tell me, don't tell me myself later. Um so, yeah, 739 01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:50.719 I did not watch him enders in Portunate. I've been The best thing 740 01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.760 I saw this week was probably a basketball game, and it was probably probably 741 01:00:53.800 --> 01:01:01.000 a four overtime basketball game, but never Nuggets and Portland Trailblazers wanted to get 742 01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:07.320 where like by the end, like Nicola Jokish had melted into the earth like 743 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:12.960 great and like it like players were just like it did feel like the Western 744 01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:17.599 Front just like this fascinating, fascinating game. I've really enjoyed these playoffs. 745 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.400 Um, you know, I would say the least interesting series of the four 746 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:27.280 is the one with the ostensible two best teams in basketball right now, so 747 01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:31.360 none of them the Rockets and Warriors of the Bucks Rockets and Warriors. Yeah, 748 01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:37.639 you think that's the least interesting one to me personally, But I feel 749 01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:42.880 like that one got real exciting when when the Rockets tied up. Yeah, 750 01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:45.320 but well that's what I mean. All four of them, I think have 751 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.679 been great and I'm looking forward to great endings. So I've been a little 752 01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:51.960 bit distracted from baseball, but I do have at least one baseball best thing 753 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:57.800 I saw this week. Um, so I did watch. I've been watching 754 01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:02.159 a few games. I did watch a Cincinnati Reds game a couple of days 755 01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:07.000 ago. I don't know if you have been tracking the one hundred and fifty 756 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:14.280 year anniversary and Cincinnati Reds. It's pretty cool they have. They've been doing, 757 01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:19.719 you know, a number of like different activities for one hundred and fifth 758 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:24.079 anniversary professional baseball and of the franchise, and it's really cool to have all 759 01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:28.679 these generations. One of the things they've been doing is that they're going to 760 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:35.960 be doing is uniforms throughout the years, and that started on the May fourth 761 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:44.519 game. I think with the uniforms from nineteen O two and the uniform nactin 762 01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:50.920 O two are the best thing I saw this week. They are just it 763 01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:53.880 looked so refreshing. And by the way, to everyone who hasn't read this 764 01:02:53.920 --> 01:03:00.159 some baseball perspectives yet, I recommend highly without reservation Jinny sars article about how 765 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.719 boring baseball uniforms have gotten. And I know I've said it a bunch of 766 01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.639 times on this, but it's not just the Patres, It's not just the 767 01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:10.159 Brewers, it's not just the Nationals, the Marlins. They've all of these 768 01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:16.199 teams have moved to like this new insomnia style of like blue, red and 769 01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:22.599 white in different shades and a teal, you know, like the Tampa bay 770 01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:27.159 Rays look like a business card, and there's just no one pushing this game 771 01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:30.440 forward in the way that again, like you see in the NBA. Not 772 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:36.400 to compare and contrast and say how how exciting the NBA is, but they 773 01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:38.039 are right on the edge on a bunch of things. And one of those 774 01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:42.679 things is, you know, the city uniforms are really exciting. The way 775 01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:46.679 they change the courts is really exciting. I think it lends excitement and interest 776 01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:51.239 to the game to have the teams be a little bit more creative. And 777 01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:57.320 then seeing these players step out and you know, nineteen o two is obviously 778 01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:00.920 freighted in baseball in a lot of ways, because in a lot of ways, 779 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.079 baseball and society is much better than it was then. So when I 780 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:09.119 say that, you know a few players looked out of place in nineteen o 781 01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:14.920 two uniforms, it's generally for a good reason that they're allowed to wear them 782 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:18.960 now. But you know, I would say players of all races like they 783 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:23.280 look like modern players in older uniforms. But the older uniforms look crisp, 784 01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:28.039 and I love the three quarter piping, and they had these nice buttons and 785 01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:31.599 like pockets, and the Cincinnati was actually really good. I would change the 786 01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:34.280 hats a little bit. I would not use nineteen o two hats. But 787 01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:38.079 what I want to point out, because I'm saying all these players looked really 788 01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:40.920 modern, and then you have Joey Vado. I'm going to send this image 789 01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:45.119 to you of Joey Vado in a nineteen o two Cincinnati Reds uniform. Proved 790 01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:48.360 to me that Joey Vado is not, in fact a player from nineteen o 791 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:59.119 two time traveling to the modern era. I defy. That's the photo of 792 01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:04.840 Tris Speaker, Am I right? It does fit him quite well? Like 793 01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:15.719 right, like Joey Vato died of tuberculosis in nineteen twenty seven. Um No, 794 01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:19.079 it's just like the collars. I would say, everything was really on 795 01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:23.960 point. I think Cincinnati should move to those as the Sunday uniforms. Apparently 796 01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:27.760 they're made out of the same fabric as modern uniforms. It just looks great 797 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.800 and so different and hearkens back to the Red's tradition of being one hundred and 798 01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:34.559 fifty years old. I think it's terrific for them. It's on point, 799 01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:40.760 and I would institute it almost right away. I would consider even making it 800 01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:47.320 the standard home uniform. I'm not a crackpot, I mean the kind of 801 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:54.440 are but they sure. But yeah, uniforms should be more exciting. I 802 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:59.840 think we do need to get back to more experimentation. So and if we 803 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:02.199 to do that by harkening back to the past, then that's the only way 804 01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:09.039 we will be able to go back to the future. M m mm hmm. 805 01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:13.880 That's where we're gonna leave that. Huh yeah. On that note, 806 01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:21.480 any final thoughts, I think you right, absolutely so we would again love 807 01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:25.239 to hear from you at Squoresheet at Baseball Respects dot com. We'll be back 808 01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:28.639 in a couple of weeks, but until then on behalf of Ben Murphy and 809 01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:30.440 Jared Wise. I'm me in left Witz. Thanks again and have a great day.