Good Actunon is a gentleman. Thanks so much for joining us this again.
He last nal. Welcome to Justin and Dog Media today. Well, we
brought back by popular demand an old friend of by. His name is Jay
Diya. Did I pronounce your last name right? Yeah, Diers okay,
And well we've had him on. He's he's many different thing He's an investigative
journalist. He's an investigator, he's an analyst. Um, he's an expert
on. I don't want to say esoteric knowledge, because you're an expert on
so many different areas of the kinds of things that we really like to understand
how the world's really really works. And one of the things we're going to
be talking to you today about is is the Vatican. So Jee, first
of all, thank you so much for joining us and finding the time to
be with us. Thank you, Daniel, glad to be here. Of
course, you've had, you know, semin old texts that were very instrumental
in my waking process. I remember reading Build of a Group many many years
ago, and reading Tavistock and then you've got you know, your your transhumanist
text. So thank you for all the great material you've put, that's the
that's the transhumanis. I remember when my book came out and stayed before it
came out on the States, came out in Spain, and my publisher was
saying to me, you know, all the stuff you're talking about that's gonna
be like one hundred years from now. And I said to her, I
said, to allow that, you know, because I read in English and
of course I have to translate it before it's published. Like six months later,
I said, you know, I'm gonna make a prediction six months from
now, when the book is actually released in Spanish, at least all the
things I talked about in my book, well off actually happened, said as
out of the question. And it's like, holy maloney, right, and
I should it is. It's rolling out really quick, isn't it. I
mean your book wait at a time. Yeah, well, you know,
you have amazing books in your row that I've read, needless to say,
I love them. We're going to talk about that at the end of the
the interviews. That people can actually follow your work, which I think is
very very important for general understanding of how things work. So let's kind of
roll with this. Let's start with the Vatican. I saw an interview of
yours the first part. I didn't get a chance to see the second part.
Fascinating. I can't remember the guy's name. It was a wonderful interview.
So I want to ask you a few different questions. Where would you
place Vatican on the pecking order of this global elite. That is a good
question, and it's difficult because a lot of people, you know, we
how do we value things like the Vatican? You know, how do we
value you know, these these giant churches. So it's hard to say in
terms of monetary value. But it seems to be the case that in the
twentieth century the Vatican kind of took a back seat to the Western you know,
power structure, the deep state, whatever you want to call it.
And that seems to be due to a lot of Cold War blackmail deals that
were made, particularly under the period of Pious It's Wealth with William Colby the
CIA, and that was to funnel a lot of money into the Vatican Bank.
So it seems like around the mid twentieth century and then we get a
really strong uptick in CIA involvement in what they called the Doctrinal Warfare program that
David Wimhoff writes a big excellent book about So I would say that that maybe
an older time periods Renaissance something like this, you could have a lot more
geopolitical power for the papacy. But I'd say nowadays they seem kind of an
adjunct, kind of subservient to the Western intelligence power structure. Because again,
when we talked about the Intelligence Union, Santo of course was the very first
intelligence upparatus in the world. They have the special intelligence stories of the Bridge.
But but the Vatican you mentioned a deep state, Okay, so that's
roll with that. So for example, if we're talking about the deep state
in America, all we know who controls the Wide House, who controls bed
Joe Biden. Okay, we understand how that kind of stuff. But do
you think there's a deep state within the Vatican itself and if the risk who
runs it? Yeah? I think the key to understanding that would would be
this time period when what we call P two or organized crime was able to
essentially have the highest level cardinals and archbishops and people not just in the Vatican
but also in Italy assigned on to this kind of, as you says,
secret power structure. Set up by Kissinger and all these figures from the CIA,
Theodore shack Lee and all these guys who were really black ops, people
who were looking for new ways to fund you know, international operations, black
operations which you wrote about in Shadow Masters. I forgot to mention shadow Maasters.
You you had a lot of really good insights into that about these structures,
how they the drug you know, cartels, this kind of stuff that
funds a lot of these black ops, and it actually props up the global
economy to a degree most people don't know. So I think that, um,
that would be where I would look would be to the to the the
time period of Gladio and the P two mafia. That really seemed to because
that was a tie in between organized crime post World War two where you have
these uh essentially Mussolini had booted out the Freemasons, but then they come back
after World War Two and the CIA makes this deal between Lechio, Gelli,
Michelson, Dona and all these figures who are organized crime guys to run this
secret government in Italy. So that's just one example of how the structure of
a government within a government works, and it usually ties into secret societies and
intelligence networks as you know, So that would say that's really the key window
that we have into how that works. And it's the same model of how
they do things in America. And the key for that is the British intelligence
structure that's set up the OSS and the CIA. Right, you had all
these the British intelligence guys that come over. You have a William Stevenson from
Canada and who had an office at Rockefeller Plaza. You've got you know,
You've got Ian Flaming, Noel Coward, all those guys they essentially consult and
explain how to set this up for with Bill Donovan, and that becomes America's
kind of secret government in my view. And that same model of secret government
is the same model that's used in Gladio in Italy. But that model,
that technique is kind of just kind of in my view, is kind of
these same kind of Gladio. Yeah, because again for our audience, we
are talking about a lot of different pieces of the puzzle. So we started
with a Vatican, but Jay's talking about Gladiol P two, propaganda est the
Masonic loadge in Italy, We're talking about the OSS structure, sport post World
War two, we're talking about the Italian mafia, we're talking about the drum
running operations. Talking to all of these little things. So let's break it
up for the bill because a lot of them people understand, they know,
because again those will read and follow what I do, what you do,
they understand. But still let's put it together. Let's start with a Gladio.
What was Glaudia Gladio? And how's it if it's into the World War
two? A post World War two, you know these power structures, secret
power structures. Well after World War to the new global threat becomes the idea
of Soviet takeover of Europe, and this is where we get you know,
NATO, this is where we get all of these structures post World War two.
And the idea was, in case of a Soviet invasion of Europe,
we want to have secret armies in place. And so this is a the
idea of training people in secret as in a cell model, in different countries.
And it turns out, according to Daniel Ganzer's PhD thesis, that it
was all over Europe and even in Latin South America in terms of the model
of how they did it. So this was drummed up as we said,
by the same sorts of CIA people that would make the contact with the organized
crime factions in Italy. And the reason I was talking about Italy and Gladios
because that was that's a window into this secret government structure in Italy and how
it tied into and really in my view kind of ultimately co opted the Vatican
through Vatican banking deals. And so probably a lot of people have heard of
that Roberto Caldy and the P two that's that Vatican bank scandal where he ends
up dead. That is this same model in structure. That's a window into
this how this deep state structure. So it's a government within a government.
And in my view, if we go back and we study the roads Rawchild
Milliner inner circles of government, how they ran the British Empire, it's the
same model. It's just exported to different countries. So Gladio is just one
operation that some writers. There was a guy named David Yallop. He wrote
a book, yeah, in nineteen eighty five, and he didn't even know
They didn't know what Gladio was at that time, so it was still a
secret operation. But he stumbled on this structure and he just talked about it
being behind terror events like the Bologna bombing in nineteen eighty two. It was
behind assassinations and these kinds of things, and really just running a lot of
false flag terror operations to blame Soviets, to blame Communists that then would give
credence to the existing power structure, to the Battic and to the CIA operations.
And I'm not saying that that makes communists good or that makes it's about
Beckley, you know, you know, I just always say this because putting
this together. Yeah, just so Gladia was a front or do but what
be to the real power behind the throne in Italy and by extension in Europe.
It seems so because it they had the According to some of the texts
and analyzed it, you basically had this secret society structured in Italy like a
pyramid, and you had people recruited into it and then they would be compromised
at various parties. Where have we heard of this? Right? This is
the the you know, the this is the forth shutting of the Epstein exactly
going back to the nineteen eighties. Yeah, and it's the same structure of
the Franklin scandal with how Craig Spence would film people at the parties of the
GOP by a friend of mine, Nick Bryant. Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
the Franklin cover books, exactly. And you find that same pattern there
of compromising and so then when they get compromised, I say, all right,
you join our group or are we exposed you or we you know,
do something works to you. So it's kind of like you can be a
part of the structure or or you lose everything or episode it's it's a uh,
you know, zero sum game. I guess that's not many much of
a choice there. What I found over the years is that looking into this,
no matter how you look at this thing, there's always sovereign military,
small YEP and hospitality Order of Saying John. So if you kind of from
the outside no, you look at it from the outside in, it's the
Anglo American synarcust structures and whatever one turns in investigating whether it's what if I
got Lui or Gladio, the Black nobility, international terrorists or Nazi international,
you know, you always come up against small sovereign military and hospitality Order of
Saint John of Jerusinale Roads and Mouth and the Knights of saying now they're Knights
of Malta, and they were omnipresent in the establishing of these financial and and
I guess human infrastructures of modern international terrorism while already during World War two and
immediately after and so had these you know, members of Knights of Malta,
such a Baron Luigi Palili, that's Venetian black nobility industrialists with high level connections
to both Hitler's assas, okay, and also to Mussolini's intelligence services, and
also to the Vatican structors, and also the main liaison between s s General
Carl Wolf and Ellen Dallas when in Burn. Remember that Dallas was appointment behind
the scenes dealing with the US industrialization and also the third right, money laundering,
high level connections weapon struggling until what nineteen forty two, at least at
least early forty three, and dollars was of course a Rockefeller man and Dackefella
Clare and the key moneymakers and also the Nazi liaisons. And of course you
did a lot of money to maintain this Gladio network. And the question is
where did this people get their money from, because again Vatican had to participate.
You said it worthier, Like you know, when we started the injury,
you're talking about the blackmail, so they must have been blackmail. What
do you say, exactly yeah, so so so this pyramid I was talking
about it. This is just in Italy, right, So you get a
lot of prelates, you get government officials, you get Italian military intelligence,
they're invited to parties, they're they're corpromised. And then at the top of
this pyramid structure of the p two, particularly in Italy, you had a
figure named Lichio Galli. And Licio Galli is one of these guys who's knighted,
like you said, and the irony, of course is that he's an
atheist, but he's knighted by the pope given these gifts, much like we
saw the figure of Jimmy Saville is knighted as well, papal knighthood, but
has no interest. In fact, he seems to have been an outright Satanist,
had no interest in a Roman Catholicism. So we start to notice this
pattern of really important people getting knighted and brought into sovereign military order of Malta,
the Knights Hospital or all these kinds of old orders that you talk about
that have these dubious medieval origins, but it really just covers for as you
said, intelligence operations and black ops and all sorts of the farious activities.
So you absolutely nailed it there. And the reason I Broughtt this pyramids because
in Paul Williams book he describes it that this figure of Lechio Gelli was here
and then he says that who was really running P. Two was people in
the US like Kissinger and these kinds of figures, and so he said it
was like this at the top, and then it's right here. So it's
basically an X right with two pyramids. And so the figure between the P
two and Kissinger and those guys in the US is Lechio Gelly. So basically
Kissinger and Theodore Shackley and all these intelligence operators are telling Gelly what to do.
Gelli's then telling what to do for that structure in Italy, the shadow
government, and at one point he basically control all of the banking structure,
all all of the power in Italy. So that's just one window into you
know, and that included, as we said, I think at one point
one hundred and twenty prelates and this comes out in the European and Italian press
in the eighties, huge scandal. Oh no, I remember the front page
article. Yeah, oh here you go. Yeah. So so what was
going on? How were they doing this? Well, what they were doing
was and it was Paul Helliwell who had from the CIA concocted this idea to
now the World War two is over, we got to fund all these black
ops with something we can't just ask people, you know, Congress, hey,
give us a million dollars, billion dollars for black ops. We're gonna
fund it off the books. We need liquid at cash, like you pointed
out in the Shadowmasters. So he came up with this genius idea, will
just take over the old British and French intelligence models of running drugs black markets,
right. And Britain had done this with British intelligence in the Opium War
with China, and French had done this with the running various opium lanes prior
the whole thing they have Yetnam War. Yes, French lost the CIA one
and they started running drugs to take it over. Exactly. Golden Circle,
Golden Triangle. You talked about this and Shadowmasters that, So this is what
they do. That's part of gladiol in terms of the lanes, shipping lanes,
networks. So they basically just create a whole list of shell companies,
shell banks, shell front corporations. He could never keep up with all of
them, there's so many of them. Uh. And then they interact and
interconnect with one another to transfer the money, bounce the money all around so
that it can't be tracked. And that then funds terrorism, It funds the
Mujahideen, It funds uh CIA black operations, it funds coups, coups in
other countries. So that's essentially how it works. It's just it's just uh
international business that's off the records. That's black ops business, that's arms for
drugs, arms for you know, cash, whatever, and that's funding all
the black operations. And that's that's the whole structure right there. So he
talked about me too, of course again Lucia Jelly. You know, I
met him because I lived when when Russia, when Russia, because I worked
in military counter intelligence so many years. And one of the reasons I wrote
the Builder work Book is when I left, I needed to eat and I
couldn't really, you know, think of anything else. I would you because
I wouldn't work for foreign government. So I thought to myself, we have
lots of documents, meaning the Russian intelligence on different private organizations such as the
builder Burgers, because you couldn't write a book like that without actually showed him
the pictures and the documents. And I was able to do that, and
that's for people said, wow, maybe this is the real thing. And
uh so I was working at the time in Italy, in Switzerland, in
Lugano when Russia had his consulate there in military had a shame and Jelly,
who was supposed to have been this you know this almost before he died under
house arrest in Italy. He was there. Who was he having a lunch
with with George Bush father there you go, Yeah, in Luganda. So
of course anyway, so P two leader part of Aganda Lucia Jelly he was
actually a project of Admiral William Canaries, was the intelligence chief of the Imperial
Navy and the German Army during the National socialism in Germany. He was one
of these ring leaders of Operation Balkiradian Sitler and twenty of July nineteen forty four,
which he was sentenced to death, and later Canaries and secret projects were
inherited by Rainhard Gillen, especially as pet project to infiltrade the American political elites,
really Italian American mafia families such as Lee Luciano was the Gambino de Bonanos,
etc. So this is a straight line leading from the mafia to the
Knights of Malta, etc. You mentioned the drug trade, the mafia.
Let's talk about that. I mean, this is a lot of how we
can talk about this for four hours, just roll with it. But Italian
mafia, drug trade, World War two. Let's put this together other than
to one right. So, the Navy originally had hashed an idea to reach
out to various Italian mobsters because the Navy had well, you know, they
were interested obviously in seaports, and they knew that the mobsters knew the logistics
of seaports, and because they were importing and exporting various you know, black
market types of things, stolen goods, drugs, whatever. So they reached
out to Lucky Luciano and he was one of the first recruits that the Navy
had a direct operation and connection with. This then kicks off a whole bunch
of secret meetings and operations. Later on. The CIA then gets very involved
in making these alliances with organized crime, and particularly I think Vito Genovesi at
one point was a translator, so they needed people in Italy in Sicily that
could translate and you know, tell what's Mussolini up to and this kind of
stuff. So there's a whole Actually, more and more and more actually comes
out about this over time. There's a book called Operation Underworld that covers this
is really good. And then I think everybody probably knows that there's some degree
of association with JFK and rfk's demise and organized crime, particularly when we get
to the figures of Santos Trafficante, and Trafficante is a key figure for the
CIA's role because he's the person that was chosen by the CIA to be the
point man in Florida. He's the Florida mobster that runs basically that jurisdiction.
And then you have in New Orleans you have Carlos Mosello, but in Florida
it's it's Santos Traficante and he is the importer exporter for Miami, these different
areas where the boats come from Cuba from different places from Italy to bring in
the goods, particularly heroin. So heroin becomes the big cash crop, the
big moneymaker during the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, and that's when
we start to get the takeover, as you said, of those lanes like
the Golden Circle in the Golden Triangle. So this is why Vietnam is such
an important I mean, Vietnam's mini things. Obviously, it's it's a lot
of experiment with new technology, research and development. They experimented on drones for
the first time in Vietnam. But key issue there, as you said,
is the importation exportation of heroin, and so they need they need the resources
as in their poppies and the cash crop. That's also what Afghanistan is about
obviously, right, and then we learned this as we you know, the
US and bades Afghanistan under dubious pretexts post nine eleven nine had nothing to do
with Afghanistan. But yes, that's that's the The mafia plays this key role
of shipping, importing, exporting connections to you know, other gangs that where
drugs can be distributed. Uh, you know, that's the key role to
mafia plays. The mafia can also provide intelligence, I mean they do all
kinds of things throughout this time period. But really I was surprised at getting
into this topic in the last four years to the degree of cooperation that you
know, the CIA eventually achieved with organized crime. And like you said,
you can go on and on on. There's there's just one example. So
the head of the Luciano family from nineteen thirty seven to nineteen generman of fifty
six eight, that was Frank Costello, and both Canaris and gel and we're
talking about the assas worked with Costello and so the Luciano family in nineteen fifty
seven, this was absorbed into the Genoesi family and the nineteen forties Vita Generesi
worked with both the US military intelligence also German intelligence. Okay, and then
there's another interesting fact that attorney for Frank Costello and the generes family was Edward
Williams, who founded Williams and Connelly in nineteen sixty seven, just happening,
one of the leading law firms in the United States. And it's precisely at
Williams and Connelly that Mike Pompeo began his career. Oh wow, So that
that gives you the and of course then again ties into Lucio Jel. It
becomes the face of pet do we although above pet do It, there's Peuno
because P two is P two, but pe is about nobody talks about p
Y. And so you have Canoes and all these other characters, well very
close contacts with the Italian mafia. And then needless to say it and the
Italian mafia and the Vatican. We have the Vatican scandal, we have Bankoversiano,
we you have Calvier better, let's talk about that. How do these
characters because again this takes us into the nineteen eighties, because you know,
Vatican has many different things, okay, and I think religion and God and
saving the soul, you know, the secondary of tertiary importance. Don't you
think that's why we ultimately come to find out? Yeah? And I know
because it's not about faith, yea God and religious doctrine. I wish you
was like, that's about money, It's about power, It's about corruption.
How corrupt all these people? Do you think? Extremely corrupt? I mean,
I say the moth as seem me. The Vatican is just a bigger
organized structure. Basically, it's just another alternate form of organized crime. And
I was, you know, somebody who was very interested in Catholicism in my
twenties. I took it very seriously and spent many, many years in that
world. And uh, you know, I think at a certain point you
start to you want to understand, well, why is there so much corruption?
What's going on here? And this kind of takes you down this rabbit
hole looking into the you know, the geopolitics, the espionage, the power
struggle side of it, and that's really what opens up the door to understanding
what it really is. That it's that's really about power plays, it's about
money, it's about corruption, it's about control. And that's, like you
said, it's very unfortunate because it's not really what that's obviously not what Jesus
was talking about. I don't think he had I don't think he had an
idea of an international bank two thousand years ago, right like you might have.
But in any case, you know, this rabbits hole. People don't
quite understand a rabbit hole. It's not like a rabbit, there's a whole
would find a rabbit, it's this thing would go down proverbial hole. We
actually when we started investigating, yeah, you think, well, you know,
it's like, I mean, I'm almost there. Okay, I'm just
gonna turn the corner. It's all the answers at least, you know,
most people think that's the case. Again, then you discover it and then
you realize there's this. You know, there's there's this fork in the role.
There's two doors, and there's a million more doors, and you as
you start investigating all these doors, and some people get further than house.
But it's it's it's it's a perpetual, it's a never ending thing. You
know, we mentioned the uh uh Beto collegy. Let's talk about that.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, I'm sorry. So yeah,
one element here that ties this to what you're talking about with this,
uh, the Odessa network, the u Reinhard Galen org. Uh. This
was an idea hatched also by the same figures where Dullus and these other characters.
Everybody's heard of Operation paper Clip, right, Well, this is also
connected to that, because what do we do with these uh German intelligence networks,
the Nazi intelligent networks post to World War Two? What do we what
do we do with this? Well, let's recruit them, bring them into
things like NASA. Everybody's probably heard of von Braun going to NASA. Well
it wasn't just that, it's also we got to take over these these German
intelligious networks and fit them into the new emerging global structure. How do we
do that? Well, Galen is this key figure who uh they the OSSCI
particularly use to set up and run and train new networks and new organizations and
new black ops. And Galen becomes the founder of modern German intelligence. You
get to the BND, it actually has its origins in the Galen organization.
And by the way of further, people that are wondering what's going on in
the Ukraine, how are there you know, tiny mustache men followers in Ukraine?
Even today, it's actually this this old uh Galen organ networks. There's
a direct connection between Galen organization and the training of the right sector provaty sector
stuff in the Ukraine. So that's the there's a direct line to that.
Now, what about Calvi and these modern figures and all that. Well,
if you go to the eighties, like you're talking about, when P two
and all this stuff gets exposed in the press and there's all this kind of
government scandal in Italy and all this stuff. What we find out is that
in the background a lot of the figures who were in the Reagan administration were
part of these the far right Roman Catholic structure that you're talking about. So
we get this figures like and it goes back even to earlier with Vietnam,
with Colby, And it's not at accident that Colby goes from being stationed in
Italy during the Gladio period to them being running a Phoenix program in the operations
in Vietnam if you read the Das Valentine book, which is really good on
that. So Colby is an old old school trad cat who had established those
connections with Price to twelfth and then he gets stationed in Vietnam, and then
then he becomes a CIA head. Then there's Alexander Haig, there is William
Casey. There is a bunch of the structure under Reagan. These are all
what you're talking about, These people who have an affinity for a connection to
these uh fascist networks. Well, yeah, people like Walter Walter roof Or
during World War Two led the Nazi intelligence Unit is also responsible for death about
half a million people in Auschwitz and then after the war, Roof was placed
at the disposal of the special Anglo American counter intelligence group led by whom but
but but but but the nutball, James Jesus Angleton himself. Oh yeah,
I forgot Angleton. Yeah. Yeah. His job was to save as many
Nazis as possible from Allied persecution. And so you get the you get Klaus
Barbie, the butcher of Franks Stengel, commander of the Treblinka Deaths gaps,
et cetera. You got all these crazy at the Alightnment, you know,
Joseph Mangla et cetera, et cetera. And if I recall, Barbie goes
to is it Bolivia, Argentina and he got he goes bar He goes to
Bolivia. Yeah, and he makes deals with Cartel's not actually begins to help
the CIA's uh drug running from Erica drug running operation exactly. Yeah, so
you can see and also don't forget otos Korzeni because Sporzeny Yeah, yeah,
he trains uh, even people in Israel, so literally in Israel. He
trained people in Egypt. I mean a lot of these Nazis after the war
went to Egypt. Yeah, And so you have Alatin American military dictatorships.
He needed a lot of money. And since the nineteen fifties, the level
of debt with the International Monetary Fund the American Private Bank has increased several folders.
So the financial institutions were very happy to lend the money for the purchase
of American zars put down revolts. But all that was done, you know,
as you said, with the drug writing operations and the collapse of P
two on Bunko Brasiani coincided a lot of these things, such as the Malvina's
warring. Now who closed the door because they're building a house flex door in
it right now they come back from lunch, and so you have all this
stuff, you know, linked to the Malvinas ward et cetera, et cetera.
But it's again it's drugs, it's it's it's uh, you know,
the the Vatican Bank, it's it's the uh Padui operation, it's the Nazis,
Bunko Brosiania e c et cetera. Yeah, this is where we get
to the figure of Colby, and this is the way that the operation is
running in Italy, as you said, is this concocted shells within shells like
onion onion layers and onion rings of scam and fake banks that are set up.
So they basically set up eight, ten, twenty different shell corporations.
And at the center of this, or a big piece of this is,
as you said, Banco Dembrosiano and the Benko Milan and the Vatican Bank.
And because the Vatican Bank is one of the world's most secretive banks, that's
why you could see it would be chosen for these kinds of operations because it's
not supposed to be. It's not technically under the purview of the Italian government,
right it's its own city state, and so that its own bank then
could be at least the reasoning went, it would be free from it,
it would be out out of the purview of oversight. Right. That worked
for a long time until, as we pointed out, a lot of this
started leaking out in the media. So the key figure at this time was
as we said, Lecho Jelly Gelly. I always probably say it wrong,
but um, he's the point man with Paul the Six. So Paul the
six is an important figure because he is this pope that essentially was really favored
and chosen by the os S and CIA, and there's there's a lot of
um theorizing that the OSS and c I had a really key role in helping
to get him chosen as Pope. And we'll see the same thing, by
the way, when we get to the figure of John Paul the Second.
The CIA played a key role in helping to get John pull the second elected
because they knew he would be a very important symbol to end the Cold War.
But to get back to what you're talking about with Paul the Six there
and Calby. So Paul the Six is a key point man for the os
S and CIA, and he makes this important alliance with Jelly and and Calby
and this guy named Archbishop Marcinkus who is appointed to be the to run the
Institute of Religious Works or what's called the Vatican Bank. And because Paul the
Six had been brought to power, he kind of had deals. He owed
some things to people that helped him, particularly the OSS and c A,
and they said, look, we helped you in we helped your predecessor with
a lot of money coming into the Vatican Bank. We'll continue this operation with
tens hundreds eventually becomes hundreds of millions, of dollars by the tomb of John
Hole the second. This money will keep coming into the Vatican Bank. But
you're gonna do the You're gonna help these operations, and hey, we're just
helping to fight the communists and latin Us South America. So the money is
really just going to fund the contras and to fund this kind of stuff.
Right then, So of course Paul the six goes along, whether he was
probably he's probably compromised or all compromise. So this is where we get this
big scandal. Now, when you get giant fake banks and shell companies,
a lot of people are taking money, a lot of people are stilling.
Yea. The organized crime figures are saying, well, hey, why don't
we use this opportunity? And Marcinkus as part of this as well, even
though he's an archbishop, they say, why don't we figure out a way
to get our hands on the Italian pension money? And so they can cog
this scheme to steal I think is either Bank of Italy or Bank of Millana
for to which one it is, but to get their hands on everybody's pension
money. And this ends up basically with one point seventy five billion dollars debt
that collapses. The whole thing collapses, Vatican Bank, bankoedum Brassi on,
it all collapses. When all this stuff comes out, and now all people
are saying, okay, now we want our money, right, you don't
take a billion dollars two billion dollars from you know, the mobsters in the
CIA, and there's not you know, hell to pay. So then we
get figures that come in and say, oh, maybe I can help you
out. Now there's rumors that I don't know how true. This is just
speculations that I think figures like David Rockefeller offered up a few billion dollars to
help out, and he did this through Saudi liaisons. I think people say,
so this could be one of the ways where there's a key element where
the Western intelligence structure in the CIA and the Verdish intelligences that are where they
really start to have a total control over the Vatican. This is why we
begin to see, in my view, this is my theory, more and
more of the Peedo stuff coming out about people in the Vatican because this has
been so in, this compromise has been so entrenched, and it really it
really comes to a head with Paul the six and you see it particularly after
Paul the sixth, with John Paul the First, who just merely mentioning investigations
into the Vatican bank corruption, he ends up poisoned. I would say after
thirty three days that being a pope, he's poisoned. You mentioned Paul Marchincazt.
You know this, But it turns out that he's the cousin of Yeah,
he's the cousin of the nephew of Salvatio, which is the mobster like
you lucanop with nineteen thirty one, that game the head of the American under
rules. No, I didn't know they were cousins. That makes sense though,
you know. The all this stuff we're talking about really like when you
when when you analyze the post World War two structures, the key year for
all of that is nineteen forty seven, which is kind of a pivotal year.
I mean, World War Two ended in nineteen forty five September in Japan,
nineteen forty five, but the year nineteen forty seven becomes a kind of
a pivotal year in the post war period. This was the year that the
CIA was created. This is the year that the Dead Sea scrolls were discovered,
and the year that Winston Churchill gave his famous Iron Curtain speech, thus
declaring the the beginning of the call where its TV the US Navy begins its
Project Chatter, the search for for a viable truth, sera magic potion to
a lot, the Secrets of the Minx. The year that the greatest Satanist
of the twentieth century, Alister Crowley and ask you about him, died.
And and also, if we are to believe the Beatles, it's the year
that Sergeant Pepper's band learned to play. It was also the year of the
famous Rosewall, New Jersey, New met School of four crash. More or
less, no that meets the eye. You have Extra Dress Trilogy, you
have spaceships, you have men in Black, you have visitors from out the
planets. You have the whole phenomena disembarking on the front pages of American newspapers.
Okay, as we're seeing right now, somebody shit happening. At the
same time, you don't know which way to run. I'm gonna ask you
a question, how about five minutes left? It's like, you know,
we've been at it for forty minutes. It seems like we just started.
So in an interview you gave, you were talking about led Zeppelin, Jimmy
Page, you know, being a fan of Crawler, which I didn't know
that. I mean, it doesn't surprise me, but I didn't know that.
I mean, like, for example, Jim Morris and I talked about
in my book on Tavistock, Kim married his wife in you know, because
these people are saying, yes, you're finding to WECo weddings, standing in
a pentagram and drinking each other's blood, right, this is pretty wild.
And the background of the Doors album thirteen shows the group gathered around ebust of
Blister Crowley. But tell me the story about led Zeppelin and Jimmy Page.
I mean, Jim Page. This is a guy who is an Asper physicist.
He's supposed to be a respective man, and he's a fan of Alister
Crownley. The main sadness of the twenty first centor the twentieth century. Yeah,
I know the overview. I'm not. I don't know a whole lot
of about basically, Yeah, he just I think that sixties counterculture period,
as you talked about in your Tavistock book, you know, there was there's
a darker element behind the sixties hippie love stuff. And that darker element,
in my view, goes back to the Theosophy society. They were really predicting
and talking about the counterculture stuff, you know, sixty years ahead of that
with Blavatsky, Bailey, Besant, all those figures and including Crowley, right.
And another another commonality that people overlook between Blavatsky and Besant and these characters
and Crowley is connections to British intelligence, right. And so you know doctor
Richard Spence, we did an interview with him many years ago. He wrote
a book called Secret Agent six to six about Crowley's role as an asset to
British intelligence. So I think that's a key piece of the puzzle here to
understand that as we know, you know, secret societies, you know,
they overlap with intelligence. And I think that with Jimmy Page his fascination with
the occult, and you know he owns a huge books occult bookstore in England
and he bought Crowley's bulliskin manner look overlooking Lake Luck now. So I don't
know if he still owns it, but you know he had bought it at
one point or his family owns it or whatever. But I think that that
the led Zeppelin was just part of that atmosphere of the counter culture. But
the page seems to have understood that it was more than this hippie dippie love
stuff. It was actually there's a satanic under current, a core to the
hippie stuff. Uh. And that's what you talked about in that. But
the doors are just one example, but there's actually plenty of examples of this
when we get into the real figures that, in my view, were actually
behind the promotion of the sixties counterculture. You know, when you read doctor
Timothy Leary, I've read a lot of his books. You know when you
read uh, yeah, he's basically if you go look at his book on
Tibetan Book of the Dead, he's basically he's telling you how to be a
shaman and be a mind controller. It's it's a technique for doing that.
And a lot of these guys talked about the you know, he is a
fan of Crowley. Uh. If you go look at doctor John C.
Lily, you know, he's a Luciferian when it comes to being a psychonaut.
All these mkultra doctor connected people are are into Crowley and Luciferianism absolutely.
But if you look at some of the secret societies, the British, especially
the British Seaks Society is because again Crowley was was British well talking about the
children of the Sign. We're talking about the Golden Dawn Order, and we're
talking about some of the most famous people in the early part of the twentieth
century. It was H. G. Wells who introduced Hawxley, for example,
this Hawxley to satanist Alis mc Crowley. It was probably was, of
course a poster child with this, you know, a call that developed in
Britain from the eighteen sixties under the influence of Edward bullwill alluding okay, the
colonial ministry on the lop Palmiston join second Opium Moore and so all these people
crowdy William Butler eats Point, a noble prize winner, several other protege from
the Satanic What was an Easy's Urania Temple of Harmonic Students of the Gold no
which is the easiest called, which was organized around the nine eighteen seventy seven
manuscript. But you know east is unveiled by Madame Ellena Bloatska that you mentioned
in which the Russian occult is called for the British aristocracy to organize himself into
the East. And then you have all these you know, ts hel Yea,
wh Auden h Sir Russel mostly D. H. Warreds. Huxley's a
lover and then not you know, let's not forget Prince of Wales himself would
later become King of the Gates. So all of these things that we're talking
about, this is the rabbits hole No, Jay, No, you're right.
I mean all that, all of that occult stuff is like you like
you've been pointing out. Really it's just another way of doing and running intelligence
operations. It's another type of networking, you know. And I called I
mean not just what it say. This is a political party. It was
a second they went to be a call, right, you know, the
the American intelligence and you see you look at the the symbols. Okay,
it's you know, the the what you see in what you don't see because
most people don't understand it's it's the the images that we see on the subconscious
level actually is what these people project. And when you actually start analyzing and
we can go back maybe the next interview. We can talk about John D.
The the Nokian magic. When you listened with the first all that stuff
which was amazingly interesting things. And if you don't know who John D is
talking to, our audience are very much, very strong to suggest you look
into it. This is the first original zero zero seven. You know that
he actually signed off his papers double O seven and that's where double O seven
comes from. Right, it has nothing to do with with Ian Fleming.
Another member of a very wealthy aristocratic family actually visited his house and uh in
in Jamaica. They turn it into a hotel. I don't know if you'll
be there. Yeah, it's called Golden I, right, which is now
Yeah, exactly that in exactly that's an amazing place, amazing place and there
are certain areas you cannot go into whatever it is that they have there.
I mean, well, there's some kind of a hidden altar. I don't
know. Anyway, Jay, it's been wonderful talking to you again, I
mean so much. We've basically touched on a lot of different things. But
it's the idea of having all these pieces together. You know, you can
building the structure and that maybe before we're dancing, we can figure out some
of the things that we're talking about today because there's so many rabbis holes to
uh to to investigate analyst. So before we go, I would like for
you to tell us how can we follow your work, the books that you
want us to read, and where we can buy them? Yes, thank
you. You can go to my website at Jason Elis dot com. You
can find me on all the outlets of Twitter, YouTube, all those uh
under my name, and got two books with Trying Day, same publisher that
you've used. Hollywood is awesome. It's it's a really amazing I've read it
three times, one in Toronto, one here. Well, then we got
a there's an extra Hollywood Part two, which was a little different. First
one structured on symbolism of different directors. Part two still focused on films dealing
with different themes. And then I'm working on part three right now, so
that'll be out maybe in the next six months to a year perhaps. But
then I've got other books on philosophy and geopolitics and stuff. You could get
that at my shop at my website. Um. But yeah, so that's
that's where can you tell us your website again? Please? Jay's Analysis dot
com, Jason Analysis dot com. We got it, Jay, thanks so
much for being with us. Absolutely thank you, Daniel appreciate it. Bye,
good day, Bye,