1 00:00:04,599 --> 00:00:07,120 Good Actunon is a gentleman. Thanks so much for joining us this again. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,679 He last nal. Welcome to Justin and Dog Media today. Well, we 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,960 brought back by popular demand an old friend of by. His name is Jay 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,160 Diya. Did I pronounce your last name right? Yeah, Diers okay, 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,679 And well we've had him on. He's he's many different thing He's an investigative 6 00:00:21,719 --> 00:00:26,679 journalist. He's an investigator, he's an analyst. Um, he's an expert 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,199 on. I don't want to say esoteric knowledge, because you're an expert on 8 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:34,399 so many different areas of the kinds of things that we really like to understand 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,000 how the world's really really works. And one of the things we're going to 10 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:40,280 be talking to you today about is is the Vatican. So Jee, first 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,399 of all, thank you so much for joining us and finding the time to 12 00:00:42,439 --> 00:00:45,200 be with us. Thank you, Daniel, glad to be here. Of 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,240 course, you've had, you know, semin old texts that were very instrumental 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,280 in my waking process. I remember reading Build of a Group many many years 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,560 ago, and reading Tavistock and then you've got you know, your your transhumanist 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,479 text. So thank you for all the great material you've put, that's the 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,159 that's the transhumanis. I remember when my book came out and stayed before it 18 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,319 came out on the States, came out in Spain, and my publisher was 19 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:11,239 saying to me, you know, all the stuff you're talking about that's gonna 20 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:12,840 be like one hundred years from now. And I said to her, I 21 00:01:12,879 --> 00:01:17,079 said, to allow that, you know, because I read in English and 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,719 of course I have to translate it before it's published. Like six months later, 23 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:22,640 I said, you know, I'm gonna make a prediction six months from 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,719 now, when the book is actually released in Spanish, at least all the 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,040 things I talked about in my book, well off actually happened, said as 26 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:34,879 out of the question. And it's like, holy maloney, right, and 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,760 I should it is. It's rolling out really quick, isn't it. I 28 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,719 mean your book wait at a time. Yeah, well, you know, 29 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:42,640 you have amazing books in your row that I've read, needless to say, 30 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:45,319 I love them. We're going to talk about that at the end of the 31 00:01:45,879 --> 00:01:48,439 the interviews. That people can actually follow your work, which I think is 32 00:01:48,519 --> 00:01:52,480 very very important for general understanding of how things work. So let's kind of 33 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,200 roll with this. Let's start with the Vatican. I saw an interview of 34 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:57,439 yours the first part. I didn't get a chance to see the second part. 35 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:00,879 Fascinating. I can't remember the guy's name. It was a wonderful interview. 36 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:04,359 So I want to ask you a few different questions. Where would you 37 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:10,879 place Vatican on the pecking order of this global elite. That is a good 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,759 question, and it's difficult because a lot of people, you know, we 39 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,479 how do we value things like the Vatican? You know, how do we 40 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,560 value you know, these these giant churches. So it's hard to say in 41 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,879 terms of monetary value. But it seems to be the case that in the 42 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:34,840 twentieth century the Vatican kind of took a back seat to the Western you know, 43 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:37,439 power structure, the deep state, whatever you want to call it. 44 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:43,479 And that seems to be due to a lot of Cold War blackmail deals that 45 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,080 were made, particularly under the period of Pious It's Wealth with William Colby the 46 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:52,360 CIA, and that was to funnel a lot of money into the Vatican Bank. 47 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:55,560 So it seems like around the mid twentieth century and then we get a 48 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:01,280 really strong uptick in CIA involvement in what they called the Doctrinal Warfare program that 49 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:07,719 David Wimhoff writes a big excellent book about So I would say that that maybe 50 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:12,719 an older time periods Renaissance something like this, you could have a lot more 51 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:16,479 geopolitical power for the papacy. But I'd say nowadays they seem kind of an 52 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:23,280 adjunct, kind of subservient to the Western intelligence power structure. Because again, 53 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:25,560 when we talked about the Intelligence Union, Santo of course was the very first 54 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:30,879 intelligence upparatus in the world. They have the special intelligence stories of the Bridge. 55 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,479 But but the Vatican you mentioned a deep state, Okay, so that's 56 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,400 roll with that. So for example, if we're talking about the deep state 57 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:40,280 in America, all we know who controls the Wide House, who controls bed 58 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,360 Joe Biden. Okay, we understand how that kind of stuff. But do 59 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,479 you think there's a deep state within the Vatican itself and if the risk who 60 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,680 runs it? Yeah? I think the key to understanding that would would be 61 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:58,000 this time period when what we call P two or organized crime was able to 62 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:05,240 essentially have the highest level cardinals and archbishops and people not just in the Vatican 63 00:04:05,319 --> 00:04:11,080 but also in Italy assigned on to this kind of, as you says, 64 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,599 secret power structure. Set up by Kissinger and all these figures from the CIA, 65 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:19,120 Theodore shack Lee and all these guys who were really black ops, people 66 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:24,920 who were looking for new ways to fund you know, international operations, black 67 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,319 operations which you wrote about in Shadow Masters. I forgot to mention shadow Maasters. 68 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,199 You you had a lot of really good insights into that about these structures, 69 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:34,519 how they the drug you know, cartels, this kind of stuff that 70 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:40,079 funds a lot of these black ops, and it actually props up the global 71 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:45,399 economy to a degree most people don't know. So I think that, um, 72 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,879 that would be where I would look would be to the to the the 73 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,800 time period of Gladio and the P two mafia. That really seemed to because 74 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,360 that was a tie in between organized crime post World War two where you have 75 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:02,199 these uh essentially Mussolini had booted out the Freemasons, but then they come back 76 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:06,879 after World War Two and the CIA makes this deal between Lechio, Gelli, 77 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:12,199 Michelson, Dona and all these figures who are organized crime guys to run this 78 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,519 secret government in Italy. So that's just one example of how the structure of 79 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,040 a government within a government works, and it usually ties into secret societies and 80 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:27,480 intelligence networks as you know, So that would say that's really the key window 81 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:30,399 that we have into how that works. And it's the same model of how 82 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:34,720 they do things in America. And the key for that is the British intelligence 83 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,800 structure that's set up the OSS and the CIA. Right, you had all 84 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,199 these the British intelligence guys that come over. You have a William Stevenson from 85 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:46,000 Canada and who had an office at Rockefeller Plaza. You've got you know, 86 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,879 You've got Ian Flaming, Noel Coward, all those guys they essentially consult and 87 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:55,720 explain how to set this up for with Bill Donovan, and that becomes America's 88 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:59,959 kind of secret government in my view. And that same model of secret government 89 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,160 is the same model that's used in Gladio in Italy. But that model, 90 00:06:04,199 --> 00:06:06,680 that technique is kind of just kind of in my view, is kind of 91 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:12,279 these same kind of Gladio. Yeah, because again for our audience, we 92 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,639 are talking about a lot of different pieces of the puzzle. So we started 93 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:19,360 with a Vatican, but Jay's talking about Gladiol P two, propaganda est the 94 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:24,839 Masonic loadge in Italy, We're talking about the OSS structure, sport post World 95 00:06:24,879 --> 00:06:28,600 War two, we're talking about the Italian mafia, we're talking about the drum 96 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,439 running operations. Talking to all of these little things. So let's break it 97 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:34,040 up for the bill because a lot of them people understand, they know, 98 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,680 because again those will read and follow what I do, what you do, 99 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:41,120 they understand. But still let's put it together. Let's start with a Gladio. 100 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:44,560 What was Glaudia Gladio? And how's it if it's into the World War 101 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,680 two? A post World War two, you know these power structures, secret 102 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:54,000 power structures. Well after World War to the new global threat becomes the idea 103 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,120 of Soviet takeover of Europe, and this is where we get you know, 104 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,600 NATO, this is where we get all of these structures post World War two. 105 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:04,759 And the idea was, in case of a Soviet invasion of Europe, 106 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:10,920 we want to have secret armies in place. And so this is a the 107 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,399 idea of training people in secret as in a cell model, in different countries. 108 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:19,439 And it turns out, according to Daniel Ganzer's PhD thesis, that it 109 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:24,079 was all over Europe and even in Latin South America in terms of the model 110 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:27,360 of how they did it. So this was drummed up as we said, 111 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:32,199 by the same sorts of CIA people that would make the contact with the organized 112 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,639 crime factions in Italy. And the reason I was talking about Italy and Gladios 113 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:44,920 because that was that's a window into this secret government structure in Italy and how 114 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,879 it tied into and really in my view kind of ultimately co opted the Vatican 115 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:53,680 through Vatican banking deals. And so probably a lot of people have heard of 116 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,120 that Roberto Caldy and the P two that's that Vatican bank scandal where he ends 117 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:03,160 up dead. That is this same model in structure. That's a window into 118 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,839 this how this deep state structure. So it's a government within a government. 119 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,879 And in my view, if we go back and we study the roads Rawchild 120 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,240 Milliner inner circles of government, how they ran the British Empire, it's the 121 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:20,839 same model. It's just exported to different countries. So Gladio is just one 122 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,399 operation that some writers. There was a guy named David Yallop. He wrote 123 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:26,480 a book, yeah, in nineteen eighty five, and he didn't even know 124 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,360 They didn't know what Gladio was at that time, so it was still a 125 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:35,480 secret operation. But he stumbled on this structure and he just talked about it 126 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,600 being behind terror events like the Bologna bombing in nineteen eighty two. It was 127 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,480 behind assassinations and these kinds of things, and really just running a lot of 128 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,519 false flag terror operations to blame Soviets, to blame Communists that then would give 129 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,799 credence to the existing power structure, to the Battic and to the CIA operations. 130 00:08:54,240 --> 00:09:00,679 And I'm not saying that that makes communists good or that makes it's about 131 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,080 Beckley, you know, you know, I just always say this because putting 132 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:11,559 this together. Yeah, just so Gladia was a front or do but what 133 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,039 be to the real power behind the throne in Italy and by extension in Europe. 134 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:26,120 It seems so because it they had the According to some of the texts 135 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,480 and analyzed it, you basically had this secret society structured in Italy like a 136 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,519 pyramid, and you had people recruited into it and then they would be compromised 137 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:39,200 at various parties. Where have we heard of this? Right? This is 138 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,919 the the you know, the this is the forth shutting of the Epstein exactly 139 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:48,720 going back to the nineteen eighties. Yeah, and it's the same structure of 140 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:52,840 the Franklin scandal with how Craig Spence would film people at the parties of the 141 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:58,039 GOP by a friend of mine, Nick Bryant. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, 142 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:03,840 the Franklin cover books, exactly. And you find that same pattern there 143 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,879 of compromising and so then when they get compromised, I say, all right, 144 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,799 you join our group or are we exposed you or we you know, 145 00:10:09,919 --> 00:10:13,840 do something works to you. So it's kind of like you can be a 146 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:18,200 part of the structure or or you lose everything or episode it's it's a uh, 147 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,720 you know, zero sum game. I guess that's not many much of 148 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,039 a choice there. What I found over the years is that looking into this, 149 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:30,279 no matter how you look at this thing, there's always sovereign military, 150 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,720 small YEP and hospitality Order of Saying John. So if you kind of from 151 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,799 the outside no, you look at it from the outside in, it's the 152 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:45,360 Anglo American synarcust structures and whatever one turns in investigating whether it's what if I 153 00:10:45,399 --> 00:10:50,600 got Lui or Gladio, the Black nobility, international terrorists or Nazi international, 154 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:56,320 you know, you always come up against small sovereign military and hospitality Order of 155 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,279 Saint John of Jerusinale Roads and Mouth and the Knights of saying now they're Knights 156 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:05,440 of Malta, and they were omnipresent in the establishing of these financial and and 157 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:11,039 I guess human infrastructures of modern international terrorism while already during World War two and 158 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,240 immediately after and so had these you know, members of Knights of Malta, 159 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:24,240 such a Baron Luigi Palili, that's Venetian black nobility industrialists with high level connections 160 00:11:24,279 --> 00:11:28,759 to both Hitler's assas, okay, and also to Mussolini's intelligence services, and 161 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:33,279 also to the Vatican structors, and also the main liaison between s s General 162 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:39,639 Carl Wolf and Ellen Dallas when in Burn. Remember that Dallas was appointment behind 163 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:45,679 the scenes dealing with the US industrialization and also the third right, money laundering, 164 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,720 high level connections weapon struggling until what nineteen forty two, at least at 165 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:54,200 least early forty three, and dollars was of course a Rockefeller man and Dackefella 166 00:11:54,279 --> 00:12:01,120 Clare and the key moneymakers and also the Nazi liaisons. And of course you 167 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:05,879 did a lot of money to maintain this Gladio network. And the question is 168 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,159 where did this people get their money from, because again Vatican had to participate. 169 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:11,480 You said it worthier, Like you know, when we started the injury, 170 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,080 you're talking about the blackmail, so they must have been blackmail. What 171 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,320 do you say, exactly yeah, so so so this pyramid I was talking 172 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,360 about it. This is just in Italy, right, So you get a 173 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,480 lot of prelates, you get government officials, you get Italian military intelligence, 174 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:31,000 they're invited to parties, they're they're corpromised. And then at the top of 175 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,279 this pyramid structure of the p two, particularly in Italy, you had a 176 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:39,080 figure named Lichio Galli. And Licio Galli is one of these guys who's knighted, 177 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:41,720 like you said, and the irony, of course is that he's an 178 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:46,200 atheist, but he's knighted by the pope given these gifts, much like we 179 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,960 saw the figure of Jimmy Saville is knighted as well, papal knighthood, but 180 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:54,200 has no interest. In fact, he seems to have been an outright Satanist, 181 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,919 had no interest in a Roman Catholicism. So we start to notice this 182 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,120 pattern of really important people getting knighted and brought into sovereign military order of Malta, 183 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:05,519 the Knights Hospital or all these kinds of old orders that you talk about 184 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:11,080 that have these dubious medieval origins, but it really just covers for as you 185 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,759 said, intelligence operations and black ops and all sorts of the farious activities. 186 00:13:15,799 --> 00:13:18,840 So you absolutely nailed it there. And the reason I Broughtt this pyramids because 187 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:22,720 in Paul Williams book he describes it that this figure of Lechio Gelli was here 188 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,799 and then he says that who was really running P. Two was people in 189 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,120 the US like Kissinger and these kinds of figures, and so he said it 190 00:13:31,159 --> 00:13:35,240 was like this at the top, and then it's right here. So it's 191 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,519 basically an X right with two pyramids. And so the figure between the P 192 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:45,360 two and Kissinger and those guys in the US is Lechio Gelly. So basically 193 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,919 Kissinger and Theodore Shackley and all these intelligence operators are telling Gelly what to do. 194 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,960 Gelli's then telling what to do for that structure in Italy, the shadow 195 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,360 government, and at one point he basically control all of the banking structure, 196 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:05,000 all all of the power in Italy. So that's just one window into you 197 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:07,000 know, and that included, as we said, I think at one point 198 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:11,799 one hundred and twenty prelates and this comes out in the European and Italian press 199 00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:16,799 in the eighties, huge scandal. Oh no, I remember the front page 200 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:20,919 article. Yeah, oh here you go. Yeah. So so what was 201 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,960 going on? How were they doing this? Well, what they were doing 202 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:28,720 was and it was Paul Helliwell who had from the CIA concocted this idea to 203 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:33,039 now the World War two is over, we got to fund all these black 204 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,519 ops with something we can't just ask people, you know, Congress, hey, 205 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:39,399 give us a million dollars, billion dollars for black ops. We're gonna 206 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,879 fund it off the books. We need liquid at cash, like you pointed 207 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:48,360 out in the Shadowmasters. So he came up with this genius idea, will 208 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:54,320 just take over the old British and French intelligence models of running drugs black markets, 209 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:58,399 right. And Britain had done this with British intelligence in the Opium War 210 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,759 with China, and French had done this with the running various opium lanes prior 211 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:07,279 the whole thing they have Yetnam War. Yes, French lost the CIA one 212 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:13,159 and they started running drugs to take it over. Exactly. Golden Circle, 213 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,919 Golden Triangle. You talked about this and Shadowmasters that, So this is what 214 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:22,159 they do. That's part of gladiol in terms of the lanes, shipping lanes, 215 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:26,600 networks. So they basically just create a whole list of shell companies, 216 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:33,679 shell banks, shell front corporations. He could never keep up with all of 217 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:35,960 them, there's so many of them. Uh. And then they interact and 218 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:41,480 interconnect with one another to transfer the money, bounce the money all around so 219 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:45,840 that it can't be tracked. And that then funds terrorism, It funds the 220 00:15:45,919 --> 00:15:50,000 Mujahideen, It funds uh CIA black operations, it funds coups, coups in 221 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,159 other countries. So that's essentially how it works. It's just it's just uh 222 00:15:54,519 --> 00:16:00,919 international business that's off the records. That's black ops business, that's arms for 223 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,840 drugs, arms for you know, cash, whatever, and that's funding all 224 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,679 the black operations. And that's that's the whole structure right there. So he 225 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:11,399 talked about me too, of course again Lucia Jelly. You know, I 226 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:18,240 met him because I lived when when Russia, when Russia, because I worked 227 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,840 in military counter intelligence so many years. And one of the reasons I wrote 228 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,639 the Builder work Book is when I left, I needed to eat and I 229 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:27,559 couldn't really, you know, think of anything else. I would you because 230 00:16:27,559 --> 00:16:30,279 I wouldn't work for foreign government. So I thought to myself, we have 231 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:36,440 lots of documents, meaning the Russian intelligence on different private organizations such as the 232 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,600 builder Burgers, because you couldn't write a book like that without actually showed him 233 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,200 the pictures and the documents. And I was able to do that, and 234 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,919 that's for people said, wow, maybe this is the real thing. And 235 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,559 uh so I was working at the time in Italy, in Switzerland, in 236 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:52,759 Lugano when Russia had his consulate there in military had a shame and Jelly, 237 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:56,480 who was supposed to have been this you know this almost before he died under 238 00:16:56,519 --> 00:17:02,759 house arrest in Italy. He was there. Who was he having a lunch 239 00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:08,000 with with George Bush father there you go, Yeah, in Luganda. So 240 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,799 of course anyway, so P two leader part of Aganda Lucia Jelly he was 241 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:18,240 actually a project of Admiral William Canaries, was the intelligence chief of the Imperial 242 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:22,240 Navy and the German Army during the National socialism in Germany. He was one 243 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,880 of these ring leaders of Operation Balkiradian Sitler and twenty of July nineteen forty four, 244 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,759 which he was sentenced to death, and later Canaries and secret projects were 245 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:37,240 inherited by Rainhard Gillen, especially as pet project to infiltrade the American political elites, 246 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:42,960 really Italian American mafia families such as Lee Luciano was the Gambino de Bonanos, 247 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,680 etc. So this is a straight line leading from the mafia to the 248 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,559 Knights of Malta, etc. You mentioned the drug trade, the mafia. 249 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:52,920 Let's talk about that. I mean, this is a lot of how we 250 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,160 can talk about this for four hours, just roll with it. But Italian 251 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,319 mafia, drug trade, World War two. Let's put this together other than 252 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:07,160 to one right. So, the Navy originally had hashed an idea to reach 253 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,599 out to various Italian mobsters because the Navy had well, you know, they 254 00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:17,559 were interested obviously in seaports, and they knew that the mobsters knew the logistics 255 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:22,519 of seaports, and because they were importing and exporting various you know, black 256 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:26,720 market types of things, stolen goods, drugs, whatever. So they reached 257 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,279 out to Lucky Luciano and he was one of the first recruits that the Navy 258 00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:34,920 had a direct operation and connection with. This then kicks off a whole bunch 259 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:40,839 of secret meetings and operations. Later on. The CIA then gets very involved 260 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:48,680 in making these alliances with organized crime, and particularly I think Vito Genovesi at 261 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,160 one point was a translator, so they needed people in Italy in Sicily that 262 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,440 could translate and you know, tell what's Mussolini up to and this kind of 263 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,640 stuff. So there's a whole Actually, more and more and more actually comes 264 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,440 out about this over time. There's a book called Operation Underworld that covers this 265 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:10,519 is really good. And then I think everybody probably knows that there's some degree 266 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:15,480 of association with JFK and rfk's demise and organized crime, particularly when we get 267 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:21,720 to the figures of Santos Trafficante, and Trafficante is a key figure for the 268 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,240 CIA's role because he's the person that was chosen by the CIA to be the 269 00:19:26,319 --> 00:19:32,720 point man in Florida. He's the Florida mobster that runs basically that jurisdiction. 270 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:36,680 And then you have in New Orleans you have Carlos Mosello, but in Florida 271 00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:45,000 it's it's Santos Traficante and he is the importer exporter for Miami, these different 272 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:51,519 areas where the boats come from Cuba from different places from Italy to bring in 273 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,799 the goods, particularly heroin. So heroin becomes the big cash crop, the 274 00:19:53,839 --> 00:20:00,039 big moneymaker during the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, and that's when 275 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,920 we start to get the takeover, as you said, of those lanes like 276 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:08,319 the Golden Circle in the Golden Triangle. So this is why Vietnam is such 277 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,359 an important I mean, Vietnam's mini things. Obviously, it's it's a lot 278 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,599 of experiment with new technology, research and development. They experimented on drones for 279 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,960 the first time in Vietnam. But key issue there, as you said, 280 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,839 is the importation exportation of heroin, and so they need they need the resources 281 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,079 as in their poppies and the cash crop. That's also what Afghanistan is about 282 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,559 obviously, right, and then we learned this as we you know, the 283 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:37,920 US and bades Afghanistan under dubious pretexts post nine eleven nine had nothing to do 284 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:44,240 with Afghanistan. But yes, that's that's the The mafia plays this key role 285 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:52,200 of shipping, importing, exporting connections to you know, other gangs that where 286 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:56,079 drugs can be distributed. Uh, you know, that's the key role to 287 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,680 mafia plays. The mafia can also provide intelligence, I mean they do all 288 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:03,160 kinds of things throughout this time period. But really I was surprised at getting 289 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:08,200 into this topic in the last four years to the degree of cooperation that you 290 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,480 know, the CIA eventually achieved with organized crime. And like you said, 291 00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:15,240 you can go on and on on. There's there's just one example. So 292 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,960 the head of the Luciano family from nineteen thirty seven to nineteen generman of fifty 293 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:25,160 six eight, that was Frank Costello, and both Canaris and gel and we're 294 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:30,279 talking about the assas worked with Costello and so the Luciano family in nineteen fifty 295 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:34,400 seven, this was absorbed into the Genoesi family and the nineteen forties Vita Generesi 296 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:40,359 worked with both the US military intelligence also German intelligence. Okay, and then 297 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,000 there's another interesting fact that attorney for Frank Costello and the generes family was Edward 298 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,960 Williams, who founded Williams and Connelly in nineteen sixty seven, just happening, 299 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,039 one of the leading law firms in the United States. And it's precisely at 300 00:21:53,079 --> 00:22:00,640 Williams and Connelly that Mike Pompeo began his career. Oh wow, So that 301 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,319 that gives you the and of course then again ties into Lucio Jel. It 302 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,839 becomes the face of pet do we although above pet do It, there's Peuno 303 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,359 because P two is P two, but pe is about nobody talks about p 304 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:15,640 Y. And so you have Canoes and all these other characters, well very 305 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,680 close contacts with the Italian mafia. And then needless to say it and the 306 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,880 Italian mafia and the Vatican. We have the Vatican scandal, we have Bankoversiano, 307 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,000 we you have Calvier better, let's talk about that. How do these 308 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:30,799 characters because again this takes us into the nineteen eighties, because you know, 309 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,880 Vatican has many different things, okay, and I think religion and God and 310 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,480 saving the soul, you know, the secondary of tertiary importance. Don't you 311 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,359 think that's why we ultimately come to find out? Yeah? And I know 312 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:48,400 because it's not about faith, yea God and religious doctrine. I wish you 313 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:49,920 was like, that's about money, It's about power, It's about corruption. 314 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,559 How corrupt all these people? Do you think? Extremely corrupt? I mean, 315 00:22:53,559 --> 00:22:57,200 I say the moth as seem me. The Vatican is just a bigger 316 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,559 organized structure. Basically, it's just another alternate form of organized crime. And 317 00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:07,319 I was, you know, somebody who was very interested in Catholicism in my 318 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,960 twenties. I took it very seriously and spent many, many years in that 319 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:15,559 world. And uh, you know, I think at a certain point you 320 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,000 start to you want to understand, well, why is there so much corruption? 321 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:21,119 What's going on here? And this kind of takes you down this rabbit 322 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,880 hole looking into the you know, the geopolitics, the espionage, the power 323 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,400 struggle side of it, and that's really what opens up the door to understanding 324 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,319 what it really is. That it's that's really about power plays, it's about 325 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,839 money, it's about corruption, it's about control. And that's, like you 326 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,000 said, it's very unfortunate because it's not really what that's obviously not what Jesus 327 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:42,480 was talking about. I don't think he had I don't think he had an 328 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:47,359 idea of an international bank two thousand years ago, right like you might have. 329 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,759 But in any case, you know, this rabbits hole. People don't 330 00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:53,200 quite understand a rabbit hole. It's not like a rabbit, there's a whole 331 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,680 would find a rabbit, it's this thing would go down proverbial hole. We 332 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,839 actually when we started investigating, yeah, you think, well, you know, 333 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,279 it's like, I mean, I'm almost there. Okay, I'm just 334 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:07,599 gonna turn the corner. It's all the answers at least, you know, 335 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,559 most people think that's the case. Again, then you discover it and then 336 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,039 you realize there's this. You know, there's there's this fork in the role. 337 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,519 There's two doors, and there's a million more doors, and you as 338 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:19,680 you start investigating all these doors, and some people get further than house. 339 00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:23,400 But it's it's it's it's a perpetual, it's a never ending thing. You 340 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,920 know, we mentioned the uh uh Beto collegy. Let's talk about that. 341 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,640 Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, I'm sorry. So yeah, 342 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,839 one element here that ties this to what you're talking about with this, 343 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:40,160 uh, the Odessa network, the u Reinhard Galen org. Uh. This 344 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,920 was an idea hatched also by the same figures where Dullus and these other characters. 345 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,680 Everybody's heard of Operation paper Clip, right, Well, this is also 346 00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:51,680 connected to that, because what do we do with these uh German intelligence networks, 347 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,599 the Nazi intelligent networks post to World War Two? What do we what 348 00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:56,599 do we do with this? Well, let's recruit them, bring them into 349 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:00,920 things like NASA. Everybody's probably heard of von Braun going to NASA. Well 350 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,880 it wasn't just that, it's also we got to take over these these German 351 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:10,680 intelligious networks and fit them into the new emerging global structure. How do we 352 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,359 do that? Well, Galen is this key figure who uh they the OSSCI 353 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:21,160 particularly use to set up and run and train new networks and new organizations and 354 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,920 new black ops. And Galen becomes the founder of modern German intelligence. You 355 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,240 get to the BND, it actually has its origins in the Galen organization. 356 00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:33,599 And by the way of further, people that are wondering what's going on in 357 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:38,160 the Ukraine, how are there you know, tiny mustache men followers in Ukraine? 358 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,759 Even today, it's actually this this old uh Galen organ networks. There's 359 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:48,119 a direct connection between Galen organization and the training of the right sector provaty sector 360 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,119 stuff in the Ukraine. So that's the there's a direct line to that. 361 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,400 Now, what about Calvi and these modern figures and all that. Well, 362 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,599 if you go to the eighties, like you're talking about, when P two 363 00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,519 and all this stuff gets exposed in the press and there's all this kind of 364 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:06,640 government scandal in Italy and all this stuff. What we find out is that 365 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,279 in the background a lot of the figures who were in the Reagan administration were 366 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:15,839 part of these the far right Roman Catholic structure that you're talking about. So 367 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,000 we get this figures like and it goes back even to earlier with Vietnam, 368 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,359 with Colby, And it's not at accident that Colby goes from being stationed in 369 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:29,160 Italy during the Gladio period to them being running a Phoenix program in the operations 370 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,160 in Vietnam if you read the Das Valentine book, which is really good on 371 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,680 that. So Colby is an old old school trad cat who had established those 372 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,000 connections with Price to twelfth and then he gets stationed in Vietnam, and then 373 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:48,440 then he becomes a CIA head. Then there's Alexander Haig, there is William 374 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:52,960 Casey. There is a bunch of the structure under Reagan. These are all 375 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,400 what you're talking about, These people who have an affinity for a connection to 376 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:04,039 these uh fascist networks. Well, yeah, people like Walter Walter roof Or 377 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,799 during World War Two led the Nazi intelligence Unit is also responsible for death about 378 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,640 half a million people in Auschwitz and then after the war, Roof was placed 379 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,680 at the disposal of the special Anglo American counter intelligence group led by whom but 380 00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:22,160 but but but but the nutball, James Jesus Angleton himself. Oh yeah, 381 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,519 I forgot Angleton. Yeah. Yeah. His job was to save as many 382 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,039 Nazis as possible from Allied persecution. And so you get the you get Klaus 383 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,640 Barbie, the butcher of Franks Stengel, commander of the Treblinka Deaths gaps, 384 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:37,440 et cetera. You got all these crazy at the Alightnment, you know, 385 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:41,079 Joseph Mangla et cetera, et cetera. And if I recall, Barbie goes 386 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,599 to is it Bolivia, Argentina and he got he goes bar He goes to 387 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,960 Bolivia. Yeah, and he makes deals with Cartel's not actually begins to help 388 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:56,519 the CIA's uh drug running from Erica drug running operation exactly. Yeah, so 389 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:03,720 you can see and also don't forget otos Korzeni because Sporzeny Yeah, yeah, 390 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:07,960 he trains uh, even people in Israel, so literally in Israel. He 391 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,559 trained people in Egypt. I mean a lot of these Nazis after the war 392 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,200 went to Egypt. Yeah, And so you have Alatin American military dictatorships. 393 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:18,440 He needed a lot of money. And since the nineteen fifties, the level 394 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,519 of debt with the International Monetary Fund the American Private Bank has increased several folders. 395 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,880 So the financial institutions were very happy to lend the money for the purchase 396 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,079 of American zars put down revolts. But all that was done, you know, 397 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,119 as you said, with the drug writing operations and the collapse of P 398 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,240 two on Bunko Brasiani coincided a lot of these things, such as the Malvina's 399 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,119 warring. Now who closed the door because they're building a house flex door in 400 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,599 it right now they come back from lunch, and so you have all this 401 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,480 stuff, you know, linked to the Malvinas ward et cetera, et cetera. 402 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,000 But it's again it's drugs, it's it's it's uh, you know, 403 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:57,240 the the Vatican Bank, it's it's the uh Padui operation, it's the Nazis, 404 00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:00,880 Bunko Brosiania e c et cetera. Yeah, this is where we get 405 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,720 to the figure of Colby, and this is the way that the operation is 406 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:12,640 running in Italy, as you said, is this concocted shells within shells like 407 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,880 onion onion layers and onion rings of scam and fake banks that are set up. 408 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,119 So they basically set up eight, ten, twenty different shell corporations. 409 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,200 And at the center of this, or a big piece of this is, 410 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,839 as you said, Banco Dembrosiano and the Benko Milan and the Vatican Bank. 411 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,920 And because the Vatican Bank is one of the world's most secretive banks, that's 412 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,880 why you could see it would be chosen for these kinds of operations because it's 413 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,519 not supposed to be. It's not technically under the purview of the Italian government, 414 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,200 right it's its own city state, and so that its own bank then 415 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,640 could be at least the reasoning went, it would be free from it, 416 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,559 it would be out out of the purview of oversight. Right. That worked 417 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,680 for a long time until, as we pointed out, a lot of this 418 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,240 started leaking out in the media. So the key figure at this time was 419 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,440 as we said, Lecho Jelly Gelly. I always probably say it wrong, 420 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:07,839 but um, he's the point man with Paul the Six. So Paul the 421 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,759 six is an important figure because he is this pope that essentially was really favored 422 00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,680 and chosen by the os S and CIA, and there's there's a lot of 423 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,279 um theorizing that the OSS and c I had a really key role in helping 424 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:25,160 to get him chosen as Pope. And we'll see the same thing, by 425 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,480 the way, when we get to the figure of John Paul the Second. 426 00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:32,039 The CIA played a key role in helping to get John pull the second elected 427 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:36,200 because they knew he would be a very important symbol to end the Cold War. 428 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,319 But to get back to what you're talking about with Paul the Six there 429 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:45,319 and Calby. So Paul the Six is a key point man for the os 430 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:52,119 S and CIA, and he makes this important alliance with Jelly and and Calby 431 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,960 and this guy named Archbishop Marcinkus who is appointed to be the to run the 432 00:30:56,039 --> 00:31:02,440 Institute of Religious Works or what's called the Vatican Bank. And because Paul the 433 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,160 Six had been brought to power, he kind of had deals. He owed 434 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,960 some things to people that helped him, particularly the OSS and c A, 435 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,440 and they said, look, we helped you in we helped your predecessor with 436 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,559 a lot of money coming into the Vatican Bank. We'll continue this operation with 437 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,720 tens hundreds eventually becomes hundreds of millions, of dollars by the tomb of John 438 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:22,839 Hole the second. This money will keep coming into the Vatican Bank. But 439 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,759 you're gonna do the You're gonna help these operations, and hey, we're just 440 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,480 helping to fight the communists and latin Us South America. So the money is 441 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:34,519 really just going to fund the contras and to fund this kind of stuff. 442 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,880 Right then, So of course Paul the six goes along, whether he was 443 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,079 probably he's probably compromised or all compromise. So this is where we get this 444 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,039 big scandal. Now, when you get giant fake banks and shell companies, 445 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,160 a lot of people are taking money, a lot of people are stilling. 446 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,559 Yea. The organized crime figures are saying, well, hey, why don't 447 00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:57,519 we use this opportunity? And Marcinkus as part of this as well, even 448 00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:01,599 though he's an archbishop, they say, why don't we figure out a way 449 00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:07,480 to get our hands on the Italian pension money? And so they can cog 450 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,680 this scheme to steal I think is either Bank of Italy or Bank of Millana 451 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,559 for to which one it is, but to get their hands on everybody's pension 452 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:19,920 money. And this ends up basically with one point seventy five billion dollars debt 453 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,759 that collapses. The whole thing collapses, Vatican Bank, bankoedum Brassi on, 454 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:27,079 it all collapses. When all this stuff comes out, and now all people 455 00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,160 are saying, okay, now we want our money, right, you don't 456 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,880 take a billion dollars two billion dollars from you know, the mobsters in the 457 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,799 CIA, and there's not you know, hell to pay. So then we 458 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,599 get figures that come in and say, oh, maybe I can help you 459 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,039 out. Now there's rumors that I don't know how true. This is just 460 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:47,000 speculations that I think figures like David Rockefeller offered up a few billion dollars to 461 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,960 help out, and he did this through Saudi liaisons. I think people say, 462 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:58,480 so this could be one of the ways where there's a key element where 463 00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,880 the Western intelligence structure in the CIA and the Verdish intelligences that are where they 464 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,039 really start to have a total control over the Vatican. This is why we 465 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,160 begin to see, in my view, this is my theory, more and 466 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,960 more of the Peedo stuff coming out about people in the Vatican because this has 467 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,039 been so in, this compromise has been so entrenched, and it really it 468 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,519 really comes to a head with Paul the six and you see it particularly after 469 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:28,480 Paul the sixth, with John Paul the First, who just merely mentioning investigations 470 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,359 into the Vatican bank corruption, he ends up poisoned. I would say after 471 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:39,400 thirty three days that being a pope, he's poisoned. You mentioned Paul Marchincazt. 472 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:46,200 You know this, But it turns out that he's the cousin of Yeah, 473 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,400 he's the cousin of the nephew of Salvatio, which is the mobster like 474 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,319 you lucanop with nineteen thirty one, that game the head of the American under 475 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:58,440 rules. No, I didn't know they were cousins. That makes sense though, 476 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,319 you know. The all this stuff we're talking about really like when you 477 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:07,160 when when you analyze the post World War two structures, the key year for 478 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,119 all of that is nineteen forty seven, which is kind of a pivotal year. 479 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:15,400 I mean, World War Two ended in nineteen forty five September in Japan, 480 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,719 nineteen forty five, but the year nineteen forty seven becomes a kind of 481 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,679 a pivotal year in the post war period. This was the year that the 482 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,840 CIA was created. This is the year that the Dead Sea scrolls were discovered, 483 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,280 and the year that Winston Churchill gave his famous Iron Curtain speech, thus 484 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,079 declaring the the beginning of the call where its TV the US Navy begins its 485 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:40,199 Project Chatter, the search for for a viable truth, sera magic potion to 486 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,639 a lot, the Secrets of the Minx. The year that the greatest Satanist 487 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:49,280 of the twentieth century, Alister Crowley and ask you about him, died. 488 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,400 And and also, if we are to believe the Beatles, it's the year 489 00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:57,039 that Sergeant Pepper's band learned to play. It was also the year of the 490 00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:00,280 famous Rosewall, New Jersey, New met School of four crash. More or 491 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,880 less, no that meets the eye. You have Extra Dress Trilogy, you 492 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,039 have spaceships, you have men in Black, you have visitors from out the 493 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:15,239 planets. You have the whole phenomena disembarking on the front pages of American newspapers. 494 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,480 Okay, as we're seeing right now, somebody shit happening. At the 495 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:21,159 same time, you don't know which way to run. I'm gonna ask you 496 00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:22,199 a question, how about five minutes left? It's like, you know, 497 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,039 we've been at it for forty minutes. It seems like we just started. 498 00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:30,880 So in an interview you gave, you were talking about led Zeppelin, Jimmy 499 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,639 Page, you know, being a fan of Crawler, which I didn't know 500 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,280 that. I mean, it doesn't surprise me, but I didn't know that. 501 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,480 I mean, like, for example, Jim Morris and I talked about 502 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,440 in my book on Tavistock, Kim married his wife in you know, because 503 00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:45,360 these people are saying, yes, you're finding to WECo weddings, standing in 504 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,679 a pentagram and drinking each other's blood, right, this is pretty wild. 505 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,800 And the background of the Doors album thirteen shows the group gathered around ebust of 506 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,440 Blister Crowley. But tell me the story about led Zeppelin and Jimmy Page. 507 00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:00,039 I mean, Jim Page. This is a guy who is an Asper physicist. 508 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:04,760 He's supposed to be a respective man, and he's a fan of Alister 509 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,800 Crownley. The main sadness of the twenty first centor the twentieth century. Yeah, 510 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:14,119 I know the overview. I'm not. I don't know a whole lot 511 00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:20,719 of about basically, Yeah, he just I think that sixties counterculture period, 512 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,199 as you talked about in your Tavistock book, you know, there was there's 513 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:30,159 a darker element behind the sixties hippie love stuff. And that darker element, 514 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:34,679 in my view, goes back to the Theosophy society. They were really predicting 515 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,639 and talking about the counterculture stuff, you know, sixty years ahead of that 516 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,559 with Blavatsky, Bailey, Besant, all those figures and including Crowley, right. 517 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:47,559 And another another commonality that people overlook between Blavatsky and Besant and these characters 518 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:52,400 and Crowley is connections to British intelligence, right. And so you know doctor 519 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,199 Richard Spence, we did an interview with him many years ago. He wrote 520 00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:59,519 a book called Secret Agent six to six about Crowley's role as an asset to 521 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:02,920 British intelligence. So I think that's a key piece of the puzzle here to 522 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,280 understand that as we know, you know, secret societies, you know, 523 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,119 they overlap with intelligence. And I think that with Jimmy Page his fascination with 524 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,679 the occult, and you know he owns a huge books occult bookstore in England 525 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,639 and he bought Crowley's bulliskin manner look overlooking Lake Luck now. So I don't 526 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:22,400 know if he still owns it, but you know he had bought it at 527 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,039 one point or his family owns it or whatever. But I think that that 528 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:30,800 the led Zeppelin was just part of that atmosphere of the counter culture. But 529 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,320 the page seems to have understood that it was more than this hippie dippie love 530 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,760 stuff. It was actually there's a satanic under current, a core to the 531 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,599 hippie stuff. Uh. And that's what you talked about in that. But 532 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,239 the doors are just one example, but there's actually plenty of examples of this 533 00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:50,199 when we get into the real figures that, in my view, were actually 534 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,599 behind the promotion of the sixties counterculture. You know, when you read doctor 535 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,519 Timothy Leary, I've read a lot of his books. You know when you 536 00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:00,840 read uh, yeah, he's basically if you go look at his book on 537 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,360 Tibetan Book of the Dead, he's basically he's telling you how to be a 538 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:10,079 shaman and be a mind controller. It's it's a technique for doing that. 539 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,920 And a lot of these guys talked about the you know, he is a 540 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,440 fan of Crowley. Uh. If you go look at doctor John C. 541 00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:21,599 Lily, you know, he's a Luciferian when it comes to being a psychonaut. 542 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:25,760 All these mkultra doctor connected people are are into Crowley and Luciferianism absolutely. 543 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,880 But if you look at some of the secret societies, the British, especially 544 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,719 the British Seaks Society is because again Crowley was was British well talking about the 545 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,840 children of the Sign. We're talking about the Golden Dawn Order, and we're 546 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,599 talking about some of the most famous people in the early part of the twentieth 547 00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:44,000 century. It was H. G. Wells who introduced Hawxley, for example, 548 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,199 this Hawxley to satanist Alis mc Crowley. It was probably was, of 549 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,679 course a poster child with this, you know, a call that developed in 550 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,480 Britain from the eighteen sixties under the influence of Edward bullwill alluding okay, the 551 00:38:55,559 --> 00:39:00,000 colonial ministry on the lop Palmiston join second Opium Moore and so all these people 552 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:06,760 crowdy William Butler eats Point, a noble prize winner, several other protege from 553 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:12,239 the Satanic What was an Easy's Urania Temple of Harmonic Students of the Gold no 554 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,000 which is the easiest called, which was organized around the nine eighteen seventy seven 555 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:21,199 manuscript. But you know east is unveiled by Madame Ellena Bloatska that you mentioned 556 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,800 in which the Russian occult is called for the British aristocracy to organize himself into 557 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,800 the East. And then you have all these you know, ts hel Yea, 558 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,000 wh Auden h Sir Russel mostly D. H. Warreds. Huxley's a 559 00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:38,079 lover and then not you know, let's not forget Prince of Wales himself would 560 00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:42,639 later become King of the Gates. So all of these things that we're talking 561 00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,920 about, this is the rabbits hole No, Jay, No, you're right. 562 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,440 I mean all that, all of that occult stuff is like you like 563 00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,679 you've been pointing out. Really it's just another way of doing and running intelligence 564 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:58,639 operations. It's another type of networking, you know. And I called I 565 00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:00,599 mean not just what it say. This is a political party. It was 566 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:04,639 a second they went to be a call, right, you know, the 567 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,920 the American intelligence and you see you look at the the symbols. Okay, 568 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,519 it's you know, the the what you see in what you don't see because 569 00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,760 most people don't understand it's it's the the images that we see on the subconscious 570 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,960 level actually is what these people project. And when you actually start analyzing and 571 00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:23,559 we can go back maybe the next interview. We can talk about John D. 572 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,880 The the Nokian magic. When you listened with the first all that stuff 573 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,199 which was amazingly interesting things. And if you don't know who John D is 574 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,000 talking to, our audience are very much, very strong to suggest you look 575 00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:38,760 into it. This is the first original zero zero seven. You know that 576 00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:43,639 he actually signed off his papers double O seven and that's where double O seven 577 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,960 comes from. Right, it has nothing to do with with Ian Fleming. 578 00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:53,719 Another member of a very wealthy aristocratic family actually visited his house and uh in 579 00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:59,920 in Jamaica. They turn it into a hotel. I don't know if you'll 580 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:01,679 be there. Yeah, it's called Golden I, right, which is now 581 00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:07,400 Yeah, exactly that in exactly that's an amazing place, amazing place and there 582 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,840 are certain areas you cannot go into whatever it is that they have there. 583 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:13,880 I mean, well, there's some kind of a hidden altar. I don't 584 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,480 know. Anyway, Jay, it's been wonderful talking to you again, I 585 00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:21,000 mean so much. We've basically touched on a lot of different things. But 586 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:22,559 it's the idea of having all these pieces together. You know, you can 587 00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:28,960 building the structure and that maybe before we're dancing, we can figure out some 588 00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:31,519 of the things that we're talking about today because there's so many rabbis holes to 589 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,639 uh to to investigate analyst. So before we go, I would like for 590 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,760 you to tell us how can we follow your work, the books that you 591 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,920 want us to read, and where we can buy them? Yes, thank 592 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,440 you. You can go to my website at Jason Elis dot com. You 593 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,679 can find me on all the outlets of Twitter, YouTube, all those uh 594 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,679 under my name, and got two books with Trying Day, same publisher that 595 00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:00,000 you've used. Hollywood is awesome. It's it's a really amazing I've read it 596 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:05,760 three times, one in Toronto, one here. Well, then we got 597 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,559 a there's an extra Hollywood Part two, which was a little different. First 598 00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:14,800 one structured on symbolism of different directors. Part two still focused on films dealing 599 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,920 with different themes. And then I'm working on part three right now, so 600 00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:22,400 that'll be out maybe in the next six months to a year perhaps. But 601 00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:24,719 then I've got other books on philosophy and geopolitics and stuff. You could get 602 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,920 that at my shop at my website. Um. But yeah, so that's 603 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,599 that's where can you tell us your website again? Please? Jay's Analysis dot 604 00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:36,360 com, Jason Analysis dot com. We got it, Jay, thanks so 605 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,480 much for being with us. Absolutely thank you, Daniel appreciate it. Bye, 606 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:39,400 good day, Bye,