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This is Later with Lee Matthews the
Lee Matthews Podcast. More What You Hear

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Weekday Afternoon is on the Drive.
Andrew Bustamente is a former covert CIA intelligence

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offerres, decorated wartime military veteran US
Air Force Academy graduate, and successful Fortune

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ten corporate advisor. Along with investigative
journalist Paul Beben, they investigate a florry

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of new disturbing activities as they continue
their search into the areas of strangeness.

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Their show is Beyond Skinwalker Ranch.
Season two is this week on the History

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Channel. Andrew, welcome to have
good to have you along today. Thank

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you, thank you for having me
very much. I'm excited to be here.

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So let's start at the beginning.
How did an intelligence officer with the

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CIA get into researching unidentified activity?
Yeah? Absolutely so if you think about

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it. Really, CIA's job is
to research unknown activity. Our job is

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to find secrets, cover secrets,
and use the most credible investigative methods possible.

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I was never really one of the
investigators that was into anything paranormal or

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anything strange or anything UFO related.
But when the Skinwalker Ranch investigative team wanted

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to expand their research, beyond Utah. They needed to find a team of

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people who were outside of the normal
paranormal and UFO community, and that's how

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they found me. And I was
invited into this party, and I'll tell

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you what, it's been a hell
of a party ever since. Let's remind

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everybody what Skinwalker Ranch, that whole
story absolutely. Skinwalker Ranch, a location

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in Utah, is an area that
has for many, many decades been an

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area of research interest to the United
States government and to the United States Industrial

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weapons Industrial Complex. So a big
part of that is because it's an area

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of what they call compounding compounding phenomenon, meaning there are different unexplainable phenomenon that

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seemed to all occur within a very
close proximity of each other on one property.

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What does that mean. That means
there's UFO sidings, there's orb sightings,

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there's lights in the sky, there's
energy transmissions to and from that location

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that don't have any known terrestrial origin. So when you find an area like

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that, a hotspot like that,
it's very very unique, and it's of

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course an area of interest both for
the scientific community as well as for the

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national security community. And you as
a government or former government employee are probably

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aware of the government does do a
certain amount of research, whether it be

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for a weapon or for something else
that they want to use later on for

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intelligence, and they do a certain
amount of this stuff, and some of

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it's pretty whacked out. Yeah,
absolutely, I mean the government doesn't do

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a certain amount. This is the
vast majority of government budget actually goes into

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future research and development. Because,
if you think about it, if you

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find a new type of metal,
or a new type of resource, or

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a new type of energy source,
that can transform your country, that can

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transfer for your medical foundation, that
can transform your community, that can transform

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your telecommunications industry, and that gives
you a massive advantage over all of your

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geopolitical peers. So for the United
States, one of the key ingredients to

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remaining the only superpower in the world
is always being the first to discover something

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new, whether that's a new threats
or whether that's a new opportunity. Talking

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about the new season of Beyond Skinwalker
ranch on the History Channel and Anthony Bustamante

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is the host of the show,
along with an investigative journalist, Paul Baban,

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Did you have any major surprises in
the season's worth of episodes? We

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actually had several several just fascinating discoveries, absolute surprises, some of them that

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make the hair on the back of
your next stand up, others that make

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you chuckle out loud because you didn't
expect it. From California to Florida,

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we had an awesome adventure across the
United States that I can't wait to share

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with the American people because our investigation
helped us connect more or not only with

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the men and women who share a
flag with us, who also share these

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experiences with a phenomenon with us,
but it also gave us a chance to

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expand and advance scientific research in a
way that isn't well known. But as

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are there still stories that just have
you going. I have absolutely no idea

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what that is. Absolutely one of
those stories is actually one of the things

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that you will see when we air
tomorrow. We have the most compelling evidence

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ever recorded of a strange paranormal figure, an actual mass, a humanoid looking

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creature that presented itself to us in
Nevada on multiple different types of technology optical

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camera, thermal camera as well as
a visual imaging camera, all of it

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captured on tape, all of it
captured in person. We can't explain it,

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We don't know what it is.
And in the moments, it makes

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you feel like you are an eleven
year old child again discovering ghosts for the

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first time. And then it disappears, and just because you can't see it

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doesn't mean it's not there. And
then immediately following that eleven year old moment

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of getting us and excitement is the
eleven year old moment where you first watched

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the movie Poltergeist. Yeah, and
you're terrified instantly. Exactly exactly. X

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CIA agent Anthony Andy Bustamante and investigative
generalist Paul Beeban of Beyond Skinwalker Ranch on

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the History Channel Tuesday nights at ten
Eastern. That would be nine Pacific.

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The government, you were an employee, and now here you are looking into

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some of the things that they may
or may not be behind. Have you

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butted heads with anybody that in the
government and all your work in investigating this,

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have you buttoned hands with anybody in
the government. Yeah? Absolutely.

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The interesting thing is we have butted
heads as well as found unexpected partners in

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some of our research. The data
and the information that we're able to collect

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and share with the American peoples of
such interest that we've had police and law

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enforcement as well as FBI even approach
us to talk about collaborating on other investigations

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that are behind classification channels or inside
classification channels. But then similarly, we've

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also put it heads with politicians and
with some government officers who just don't want

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us to do what we're doing because
they either think that we are distracting people

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or that we are potentially undermining national
security and otherwise. So we're seeing that

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even within the government, it's not
such a unified force, right, The

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government itself seems to be divided on
the UFO topic, much like the US

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government is divided on a number of
topics. Ken, I mean, so

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many times you see this portrade as
the government doesn't want us to know because

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they don't think we can handle it. Have you ever come across something that,

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wow, yeah, this is better
left unrevealed. Yeah, you're talking

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to somebody who very much appreciates the
value of a secret for multiple reasons.

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And there is a very real reason
to keep secrets just to maintain public calm.

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And I've absolutely seen things in this
investigation, things that we will not

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air, things that we need to
research further, specifically, because going out

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with information that's only partially understood can
cause more panic than productivity, and we

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don't want to be a contributing factor
for that. My my, my,

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Andrew bust A Minte, and you're
not only a CIA intelligence officer. You

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could teach classes in I don't know
journalism that evidently are not being taught.

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I appreciate that very much. Any
that the main goal that I have is

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really just to take what the government
has given me to get. The government

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gave me. CIA gave me the
most exciting, most enjoyable, most thrilling

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career I could have ever asked for. And now I have one mission,

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and that's just to give back as
much as I can. And that leads

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to opportunities like this investigating some of
the strangest things in America. And he

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does so on Beyond Skinwalker Ranch on
the History Channel Tuesday nights at nine Central.

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And we thank you for joining us
again, Anthony Bustamentek, Thank you

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so much. Thanks for listening to
Later with Lee Matthews, the Lee Matthews

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