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I wouldn't be doing this podcast had
I not had this experience. I see

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the vehicle in front of me swerve
off the road. There looks to be

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like a person standing in the middle
of the road, and they're kind of

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like moving in a weird, glitchy, stumbly step. Its movements weren't natural.

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I get up beside it it I
slam on my brakes, and at

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this point I realized that it's not
a person. I never saw the top

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of it as it was walking by. I don't see any clothing on it

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though. I don't see fur,
I don't see arms, and I don't

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see a head. But once I
got behind my vehicle, I just chomped

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on the gas and tug off.
Well a little bit down the road,

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I noticed that the car in front
of me had pulled into this parking lot

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and I pulled up and he rolls
down his window. He's like, did

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you see that? I said,
yeah. He's like, I didn't have

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a head. None of it makes
any sense to me. It is literally

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has bothered me for so long because
I have to make it make sense.

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It upsets me. And I don't
mean that to sound like whiny, like

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it upsets me and the fact that
I I cannot explain this to someone because

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it doesn't make any sort of sense. This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's

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Matt and I am joined by Brandon, the host of the Tenfoil Tells podcast.

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Not to be confused with the Aluminum
Foil Stories podcast, which is an

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entirely different thing. Brandon, what's
up man? Not a whole lot.

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There's also the Australian version of ten
Foil Tales that people need to be aware

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of. That deals with the Australian
politics of what goes on out there,

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and that is not related to my
show. I didn't realize that that existed

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when I made my podcast, and
I'm honestly not sure who had the name

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first. If you look online,
it shows their stuff came out after mine,

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So I kind of feel like maybe
I'm the first one, but that's

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just me. I was just on
Tenfoil Tels not too long ago, about

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twenty minutes ago. As a matter
of fact, I guess that episode will

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come out sometime next year with your
current schedule, probably no. I figured

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we could work something out. I
could bump it up if i'd eat too.

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You're good man, you're good.
You just you blew me away whenever

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you told me how far ahead you
are, how many times you record during

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a week. I mean, geez
man, how do you find time?

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I really don't, and I think
it drives everyone in my family crazy because

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I almost nightly i'm down here doing
something. If it's not recording someone or

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if I'm not on someone else's show, I'm either down here editing or doing

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something. I always find time to
come down to my little hole in the

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wall basement just to have my alone
time. I guess. I know that's

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selfish of me in that sense,
because I leave my wife to dill or

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two year old or five year old. It's upstairs, but I have to

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have my moment of peace, I
guess, just to focus on podcasting.

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But I enjoy doing it. It's
my little outlet. So Tinfoil tells,

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uh, what's it about? It
is very similar to what you got going

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on here at Bigfoot Crossroads. I
interview guests that I've had weird experiences.

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That's not always cryptied related. There
is some other topics we dive into that

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are conspiracy realms, which kind of
falls into the whole Tenfoil name. The

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podcast concept. Originally, when I
thought of the idea of doing this podcast

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was during the Beast era of twenty
twenty and everyone was kind of not able

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to go out and do things during
that timeframe. So me and my friend

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were talking about a lot of things
going on in the world, and I

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said, it would be a great
idea if we could instead of having these

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conversations together, if we could just
record it, people will listen to it,

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like, I don't know if anyone
ever does stuff like that, because

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I was not a podcaster. Lo
and behold, I realized that the things

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that I wanted to talk about are
not really something that's not being done.

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Literally, almost everyone had a podcast
these days doing the same type of thing.

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I was like, well, my
original idea went out the window because

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it's not too original. But I
thought of the name up back then when

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I was trying of good ideas for
it, and then I just kind of

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sat on it for a while.
For anyone listening that doesn't know who I

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am, which probably everybody, I
am not a podcaster in the sense of

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this is something that was ever my
dream or goal to do. It was

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literally I've always done metal vocals.
I am a band Guy, and during

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that time of twenty twenty, the
band kind of went plunk and I didn't

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have anything to do, so I
started to listen to other podcasts. Well,

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I was listening for research, because
again I knew of Joe Rogan,

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Like when someone said podcast is,
oh Joe Rogan, I mean right,

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that's all I really knew about it, and it just wasn't anything I was

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ever interested in. I was just
like, why don't want to listen to

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people talk? I listened to music, I listened to music. Why don't

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want to listen to people to talk? And then I started listening to a

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podcast that was very conspiratorial, which
I was like, Oh, I like

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this, And then I wondered.
I was like, I wonder do anything

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about aliens? So I piped in
stuff and the first couple I found were

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I'm not even going to name drop
them because they're stupid, and I didn't

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like it. And then I came
across a pretty well known Bigfoot related show

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that I won't name either, and
that led me to another podcast that led

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me to another podcast. And those
are about the only three or four podcasts

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that I kind of listened to,
And that's pretty much the the ones i'd

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still listen to up until the past
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any anymore. But that was the
ones that kind of helped me figure out

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podcasting, but mainly because some of
the topics they talked to about related to

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something that I experienced, and I
kind of realized that, you know what,

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maybe what happened to me that I
haven't really talked about because the whole

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stigma of seeing something crazy, maybe
I'm not crazy. So I took the

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idea of the same name, the
conspiracy thing, and then I just kind

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of threw it into the umbrella of
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experiences because maybe selfishly it'll help me
cope with what I experienced. And then

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for the first year of doing the
show, I never even talked about what

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happened to me. Oh wow,
I wanted to hear everyone else's stuff.

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I don't the show's not about me. I didn't want to make it about

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me, and I was still very
hesitant to talk about it because I'm hesitant

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to even believe it myself because I'm
a skeptic and I've told people from the

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get go that my show, I'm
not here to disprove anybody. It's all

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about the guest. I'm skeptical on
a lot of things, so I'm not

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going to say you're lying, not
going to say you're wrong. I don't

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always have to believe everything, though, like I always try and rationalize things.

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That's just my mentality of how I
deal with life. I don't take

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everything at face value. And that's
maybe why I'm a tenfoil hat wear because

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everything is not true. But that's
just how I kind of went about things.

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And yeah, that was almost This
first episode came out, I think

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September first of twenty twenty two.
We recorded it back in the summer of

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twenty twenty two, and I set
on it for a little bit, and

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then that was a very anyone that
eventually may go check out my show the

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earlier episodes, if they know who
I am. I'm not very fond of

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the audio quality. Were ones are
a lot better. But the first episode,

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my friend and I were talking about
weather control, and then the next

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person I interviewed was an actual interview, was a dog man encounter, and

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then the next person was Bigfoot like
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cryptid realm, and then it went
down into the alien abduction realm, and

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it went into it's just branched from
there. Has it changed since you started

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it, like your vision of it
and sort of content that you look for.

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Not really. I never said any
expectations for the show, and that's

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mainly because of being in the death
metal band. You don't have any expectations.

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And I just wanted to do it
just because it was something for me

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as an outlet. But I thought
maybe it would help me, but I'm

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also helping someone else, Like giving
someone a chance to talk about something that

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I felt like I couldn't talk about. I thought would help other people,

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but also help me by hearing what
they were saying. So it kind of

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reaffirms to myself. But you know
what, maybe what you experienced it's okay

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because you're not the only one.
And now that the show's grown to what

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it's been growing to, which one
hundred percent humble and grateful for everyone that's

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listened, checked it out follows along
with it. I never expected it to

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be what it is. Like I
try not to get hung up on numbers

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or anything like that, and it's
not really the goal, but the more

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people that find and listen to it, the more I feel like it's helping

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people, so it kind of helps
me feel better, if that makes any

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sense. Like I said, it's
like a selfish thing for myself, I

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guess because I feel like I'm I
want to help people, but it also

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helps me, So it's like therapeutic. Yeah, a mutually beneficial thing.

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We talked a bit about with that
on your show. I was just on

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the same thing with me, which
there's nothing wrong with that. You know,

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as a byproduct, you know you
get help as well, then that's

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great. You're definitely helping others by
providing a platform for them to share their

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experiences and just talk about some stuff
that they wouldn't normally be able to talk

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to anybody about in normal day to
day life. At least that's been my

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experience. I still haven't gotten my
wife to talk about any of the weird

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stuff with me. What about yours? I know you're a family man,

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how's your family handle all this?
I think they probably think I'm crazy.

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Yeah, I interviewed someone from a
podcast and I'll name drop them, but

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his podcast is my family thinks I'm
crazy. I was like, I resonate

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with your podcast of name just because
I literally think my family thinks I'm crazy

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too, So there's that. But
I've talked to them about my experience or

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whatever. And my wife will attest
that she has known me for a little

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over six years now, and she
said the other day, in the entire

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time that she has known me,
never once have I ever lied. But

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she's like, that is just not
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my experience, she said, of
all people that she's ever been, I'm

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like, I'm honest, and sometimes
that's my fault because I'm too honest,

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Like I can be too brutally honest
with people because I don't feel the need

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to sugarcoat things. Sometimes there's a
place and a time that sometimes you need

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to hear the truth, and that's
not the truth isn't always great, so

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I'm always nice to hear. But
that's always been how I am as a

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person. So it's hard to really
talk about things that I can't prove,

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right And now I can't prove it
to myself, I questioned myself, because

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I'm like someone I have to know, and I think that is why I'm

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here right now, is because for
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can write it off as something else, and that's what I've tried to do

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for fifteen years. But in the
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I'm saying it was is not true, just because it's not any way for

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it to be true, not in
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it. Well, let's crack open
the egg man, take me through it.

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Man, walk me through it.
What happened? I used to work

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third shift at a paper warehousing company. I was their box truck driver.

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We had to pull orders. We'd
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take them down to the main plant, which was a few miles into town.

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This warehouse was on the outskirts of
town. Basically, we had to

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pull orders, load a truck,
drive a truck down, pull orders,

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whatever, typical warehousing job. This
was our Friday morning. So we go

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in on a Thursday at like ten
o'clock at night, and for Friday we

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always got to leave a few minutes
early. Well, on this instance,

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it was pretty sure. It was
February ninth, two thousand and seven.

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People, that's like, you remember
the exact date. I mean, yeah,

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I'm weird like that, But we
were pulling orders and our boss comes

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out and tells us that if we
got everything done, we could go home

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early and she would just ride out
on our time cards that we left at

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our normal six thirty in the morning, because every Friday we'd leave like five

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ten minutes early and she would write
it out. Anyways, So we hurried

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up and busted ass and got everything
done, got the truck delivered, got

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back and it's about four in the
morning. She said to clean up the

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place blah blah blah, typical end
of the day crap, and we could

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leave. So it's probably about four
thirty when we're getting out of there.

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So the whole two hours early of
leaving and getting paid, who wouldn't want

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to do that? You know,
getting paid for not being at work for

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two hours? That's great. Yeah, So as a joke, I've always

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said everyone wants to get paid for
leave work early. As I this is

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the one time that I wish I'd
never left work early, because it literally

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has put me where I'm at today. And I don't say that as a

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negative, but it's like I wouldn't
be doing this podcast had I've not had

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this experience, you know what I
mean? Yeah, so it's projected me

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to where I am today. Who
would have thought leaving work early would have

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impacted you? But basically, we
leave work, there's a coworker for I

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mean, and we go down this
county road and it's the first county road

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from the warehouse. You take a
right and you're heading towards the highway.

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And where we're at it's not super
big wooded area or anything like that.

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Like four H Fairground is right at
the corner and then behind all this.

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At the time, it's still kind
of there, but it's not the whole

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area like it used to be.
It was a big deer preserve and it's

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only about two to three square miles
of a deer preserve. But for the

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most part, for this area,
it's a pretty wooded area because they used

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to breed deer back there, and
they've had some pretty famous people country and

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music people come out and do hunting
there for their bucks called X factor bucks.

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So if anyone questions the area,
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It's still there. But back then
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they had huge racks on It's not
really relevant to the story, but this

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is the area where we're at And
as we're leaving, my co worker is

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in front of me, and he's
probably about a thousand feet or so in

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front of me, And at the
time, I honestly didn't even realize it

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was my coworker. I'd just seen
the break lights of his vehicle. It's

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a dark outside, it's four thirty
in the morning. Well, I see

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the vehicle in front of me swerve
off the road, goes down on the

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right side of the road into the
grass, shoots back up, gets on

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the road, And the first thing
I'm thinking of is, like, the

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hell is this guy doing? Like
is he drunk? As the deer run

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out in front of him, like, because I'm just driving and I just

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see the guy swerve off the road. Back then, we didn't have cell

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phones like you do today, so
he wasn't like scrolling through Facebook or whatever

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he would be doing. And as
we're getting where as I'm getting closer to

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where he swerved off, that there
looks to be like a person standing in

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the middle of the road, because
I see the shape like walking in the

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road and I'm maybe a thousand feet
from us, so my headlights are hitting

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it, so I can't really see
it that closely. But I'm getting closer

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because I'm obviously driving towards it,
and they keep getting closer. This thing

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isn't moving out of the way of
the road. And as I got within

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maybe two to three hundred feet,
I can actually see like it looks like

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a person in a big black blanket
or a cloak, because I see two

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legs and a body, but I
don't see a head, I don't see

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any arms, and they're kind of
like moving in a weird, glitchy stumbling

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step. So I thought it was
just a drunk person, like wrapped in

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a blanket. It's freezing outside,
it's winter, Like who the hell would

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be out here like four thirty in
the morning, stumbling around like they'd take

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a step. It was almost like
they were twitching, like I don't,

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I don't. This is how I've
always just grabbed it. As you know

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when you see like car dealerships they
have the incredible inflatable, wacky armed That's

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how it was, like movie Like
they take a step in their body would

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just like kind of flail like it's
almost like flapping in the wind like a

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zombie. Not like that. It
was almost like it was like I say,

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glitching like it. It's movements weren't
natural, very strange, otherworldly movement,

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like I don't know how to describe
it other than it didn't look like

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someone would walk. And I don't
know if anyone I just watched this again

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recently, the movie in the video
game Silent Hill, where those nurses,

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If anyone's similiar with how they moved
like strange, yeah, it almost resembled

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that. When I just watched the
movie a couple of weeks ago, I

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was like, holy shit, that's
kind of similar to the movement, like

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the little twitch to them or whatever. This thing is in the middle of

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the road and I had to swerve
too, because they're not like this person's

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the hell over because they're not moving. And I get up beside it and

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I slam on my brakes basically come
to like a creeping stop, and it

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walks past my driver's window. And
at this point I realized that it's not

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a person the best of my knowledge, because it's got a very like almost

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like an old person using a walker, you know, like they lean forward

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a little bit. It has like
a lean to itself, and it walks

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past my driver's side. I'm pretty
sure it actually bumped into the driver's side

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mirrors it went by. It is
how close it was. I never saw

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the top of it as it was
walking by. And I'm in a nineteen

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ninety eight forward Explorer. I've looked
online and they say they're sixty six inches

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tall, so that's five and a
half feet. If this thing leaning forward,

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it is taller than five and a
half feet, And I can't see

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the top of it trying to look
out the driver's window like my pat like

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the side out of my window.
I'm guessing it had to be at least

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six and a half feet leaning forward, So if it's straight up with that

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make about seven feet roughly who knows, yeah, right around there probably,

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So it's fairly tall. And I
realized that it's also pretty thick, Like

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the legs are pretty thick on it. I don't know how to describe how

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thick they were. I could just
tell they were not like little twiggy legs

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or anything like. It was like
proportionate size. Forever big this thing was,

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and it was a really thick body. Now I was walking by the

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window. All this is happening within
like a few seconds, so it's not

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like I had like ten minutes of
really study was going on because I'm still

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trying to wrap my head around why
frigging person's walking in the middle of the

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road. I don't see any clothing
on it though I don't see fur,

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I don't see arms, and I
don't see ahead. I still just see

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a big upper body and two legs. I didn't notice feet or shoes,

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right, I wouldn't pay attention else. I didn't really think about it because

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again, this all happens within like
a few seconds. If you're driving down

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the road, someone's walking out in
front of you. It gets behind the

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vehicle and my tail light, so
I having my brakesakes I'm sitting there.

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It illuminates it better, but it's
all red obviously, but I can see

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when it took a step. You
can see between its legs and you see

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its other leg so it wasn't translucent, like it was a solid figure.

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But once I got behind my vehicle, I just chomped on the gas and

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tug off because I'm like, what
is this, you know, like getting

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out of here? So I dug
off. Well, a little bit down

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the road, I noticed that the
car in front of me had pulled into

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this parking lot. It's like a
gravel drive into this parking lot. It's

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right before you get into the highway. It's the actual dot. I pulled

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up next thing because I realized it's
my coworker and I pulled up and he

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rolls down his window and I don't
know if you use choice language on here,

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so I won't. But he's like, did you see that? I

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said yeah, and he's like,
I didn't have a head. Obviously there's

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a lot of explicit if words being
thrown out here, right. We're both

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really confused as what we just saw. He's like, it didn't have a

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head. I was like, trust
me, I know I didn't see a

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head. I was like, I
want to go back and look. He's

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like, are you crazy. I'm
like, seventeen years later, yes,

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I'm crazy. I wanted to go
back because I'm still trying to figure out

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what in the hell was walking in
the middle of the road to go off

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first, and he's behind me.
We go back. It's only, like

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I said, maybe quarter mile down
the road and there's now this large black

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thing in the road. But it's
not the thing that we saw walking.

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This happens to look more like a
large black dog or a wolf type thing.

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It wasn't there when we originally left
because it drove past, because I

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would have ran it over it because
the way it's laying, it's part of

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it's in those one lane and part
of it's in the other lane. There's

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no way that was there when we
just drove by. And I pull up

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to it. The headlight's still shining
on it. It's got really black,

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puffy fur. I see a tail, but it's just laying there and it

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looks dead, and it's facing the
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So I parked the vehicle maybe thirty
feet from it, and I started

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to get out. And at this
point my coworkers behind me, and our

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headlights are still shining on it,
but he doesn't get out of his car.

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He's like, what are you doing. He cracks the window down yells

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at me. I said, well, clearly, there's a dead dog in

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the road. Not thinking at the
time, like I'm still trying to why

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even got out of the vehicle.
It makes zero sense to me now,

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like back then, I didn't think
anything about it. But I start to

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walk up to what I thought was
a dead dog, and in my brain

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I was like, well, this
had to have been what was in the

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road, because the thing is in
the road, is not there. Still

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trying to figure out though, like
what's going on, and I'm maybe fifteen

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feet away, and the thing lifts
its head up off the ground and looks

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backwards, and its eyes are reflecting
the headlights, so it's glowing like that

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yellowy eyeshine glow. And it lets
out a growl and it is not a

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normal growl, but it's like a
very low, rumbly you can almost feel

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a type of basy growl. And
I instantly froze. I'm like, oh

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shit, this isn't dead. And
I just stare at it for a second.

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I'm like, uh oh, it's
starting to move around, like it's

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trying to get up. And at
this point I hear my coworker yell out,

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get back in the car, you
f an idiot. Well, I'm

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not moving. I'm just watching this
thing. And it does like a little

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hobble because it's like stumbles a stand
up and then it stands directly up,

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and by that I mean it stood
up on hind legs. I one percent

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have been very skeptical of upright walking
canines or anything like that, because there's

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nothing in the evolutionary lines that I'm
aware of of any type of dog being

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able to do this. And I've
seen dogs hop around on back legs and

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this and that. This thing did
not look anything like that. When it

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stood up, it looked like it
could normally stand up like a person.

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So what I've tried to write off
is, well, maybe it was a

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person in a costume. Sorry,
I know been in this business for a

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long time, so it's like,
yeah, sure, in a canine costume

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on a dark and lonely road at
four thirty am. I was gonna say

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it sounds even stupid thinking than like
it could be real. But again,

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this is my brain trying to process
what's going on. Like it stands directly

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of them, looks at me.
I'm six foot three and we're about eyed

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eye fifteen feet away, headlight shining
on. I can see everything. People

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are saying, oh, you saw
a bear, you just saw a black

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bear. I know what a bear
is, I know what a bear looks

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like. I live in this part
of Indiana to where we technically don't have

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bear here, but we also don't
have upright walking canines ether, So there's

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that, yeah, But we're staring
eye to eye for just a few seconds,

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and he crouches down, like almost
in that hunkered down position, like

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he's gonna take a dump or something. I don't know. He crouches down

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and then goes off to the side
of the road to where this deer preserve

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is. Now around this preserve is
an eight foot tall fence. It got

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out of the headlights. I couldn't
see where it went, so I don't

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know if it went over the fence
or under the fence, or through the

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fence, or just completely vanished.
But once I got into the darkness,

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I couldn't see where it was anymore. So at that point I'm like,

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I'm going back to my vehicle because
I don't know where this thing's going,

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right. So as I walked back
to the vehicle, my coworker had gotten

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out of car at this point and
he was uprightly by my door. We're

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like, what is going on?
Did you see that? And he'd seen

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it as we're talking. And this
is the of all the weird stuff.

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This next part is one of the
strange to me. It's the creepiest one.

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To me too. As we're speaking, I look down on the ground

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and standing in between us, and
I do mean standing is a field mouse.

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He was also on his hind legs. What and he's cleaning himself.

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It's fur is all wet, and
it's wiping its face. But he's standing

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in between me and my coworker like
he's we're having a conversation in the mouse

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is like, yo, what up? He's having a conversation with us too,

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like he's it's weird. He's on
his hind legs, wiping its face,

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just cleaning itself. And I point
to this mouth, like you see

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this, And I take my foot
and I nudge it, like I try

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and push it a little bit,
so he moves, and he just keeps

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cleaning itself. It's oblivious that it
doesn't care that I just touched it with

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my foot. I don't know if
any type of random wild mouse that would

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have come out in the middle of
the road alone between two humans, standing

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on its hind legs wiping its face. Like I know they can do that,

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like hamsters can do whatever, but
like, why would it be doing

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that between you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, very strange behavior.

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Why did it not care that I
touched it with my foot. Now

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I know if mice are dying or
poisoned or whatever, their bodies aren't like

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their minds or whatever. It can
be right whatever, So maybe it was

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dying. I don't know. That's
a logical explanation that I've tried to rationalize.

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There's something wrong with the mouse.
But at this point it's like completely

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crazy. I don't know where this
dog went. I don't know what the

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hell was walking in the road and
ow there's this mouse. So this is

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like completely insane crap. So tell
my core or I'm going home. I'm

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going home. There's I'm done.
He gets in his car. We both

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turn around. He went in his
direction at the highway. I went,

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I went across the highway. I
went home. The next morning, I

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woke up and I drew a picture
of the black dog that i'd saw,

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and the description I've always said.
It looked, like I said earlier,

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like a wolf, like a black
German shower, like it was all black.

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It had really puffy fur, like
a child dog would. Now,

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what it didn't have is what the
normal depictions of people say they see with

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these things. It didn't have any
humanoid features. But when it stood up,

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like its front paws, its front
legs or what, everyone say,

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they didn't stand up, you know
how like a dogs have those weird bins

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when they hop around. I didn't
do that. Like it had humanoid shoulders

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and its arms just hung down to
its sides. A dog's body's framework isn't

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like that, right, That's why
I leaned is it a person in a

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costume? Because it looked very humanoid, but it was very I didn't see

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muscle detail or anything about it other
than the stance of how it stok because

406
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its fur was like a child dogs, very very puffy. And someone asked

407
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.839
me if I've seen a tale?
Is like I, oh, I remember

408
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.599
a tale being on it when it
was laying in the road. So yeah,

409
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:15.839
I had a tail. But apparently
tales aren't common either, which I

410
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:21.440
didn't know. But anyways, I
drew this picture. I get onto an

411
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:28.759
online forum back then as like Unexplained
Mysteries dot org or something, and I

412
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.400
go into the cryptid thing. I
post up this thing because I'm thinking werewolf,

413
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:36.400
because who wouldn't be thinking werewolf back
in those days? Like right,

414
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:43.480
And people said, oh, you
saw a Michigan dog man. I'm like,

415
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.720
what is a Michigan dog man?
I've never heard of that before.

416
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:50.359
So I started looking around for Michigan
dog man stuff, and sure enough,

417
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.680
the pictures that people were drawing or
whatever. I'm not an artist by any

418
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:59.680
means, but the actual sketches that
i'd seen the people had drew, and

419
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:06.279
some of it was very similar looking
to what I saw now. Some are

420
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.680
over the top, like monstery to
werewolf flicking, and it wasn't like that.

421
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:14.640
It literally looked like a normal dog
that had the ability to stand up

422
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.200
like a human. Nothing about it
seemed anything out of the ordinary other than

423
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:22.559
the way it stood up and could
walk on two legs Like that is still

424
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.039
strange to me to this day.
Like I could write it off saying it

425
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.799
was just a dog, but a
dog's bodies shouldn't be able to do what

426
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:36.039
it did. It's like, physically
is not capable of doing that. Right.

427
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:43.200
So I got all this information.
I went back to work two nights

428
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:47.240
later, because over the weekend,
we go back Sunday night and I try

429
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:53.319
and explain what I found to my
coworker, and at this point there are

430
00:33:53.440 --> 00:34:04.279
several other people who start to lie, and it makes my coworker get pretty

431
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.519
upset with me for bringing it up, and he said he doesn't want to

432
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.280
talk about it. I need to
shut up about it. He doesn't want

433
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:17.000
people thinking he's crazy. It was
just a dog, like, just shut

434
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:22.679
up right basically over by the time
clock threatens me and says, if I

435
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.000
don't shut up about it, he's
going to deny it and just tell people

436
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:31.119
I'm crazy. And he don't want
anything to do with it. So for

437
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:35.159
fifteen years I just didn't talk about
I said it was just a dog.

438
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.760
Like. My rational explanation is it
was a dog playing with a mouse.

439
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.880
That's why the mouse was all wet. The dog's trying to eat it traumatized

440
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:50.679
it, and car musta drove by
and hit the dog broke its front legs.

441
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:54.039
So when we first were driving down
the road, what we saw was

442
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.840
a dog flopping around. That's why
I looked really weird, does not how

443
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.119
to walk on two legs. His
front legs are and it's why it's walking

444
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:07.480
glitchy funny. And we had to
turn around and it fell over and we

445
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.639
just so happened to be in the
same spot where this mouse was and it's

446
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:15.440
all very convenient, very convenient,
But that is what I wrote it off

447
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:22.440
is happening because that is the most
logical explanation to someone that doesn't believe in

448
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.800
anything like this. So I said, you know what, that's what happened.

449
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.000
I'm good with that, but I've
never been good with it because when

450
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.119
you stop and think about the first
thing that i'd saw, first thing he

451
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:39.000
had to swerve a miss. It
is a lot bigger size wise than what

452
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:44.280
this dog was. I'm six foot
three. The dogs looking eye to I

453
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:49.239
to with me, it couldn't have
been what was walking in the road because

454
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:53.800
that thing was a lot thicker than
this dog. The size wise was a

455
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:59.920
lot cooler than the dog. So
what was walking in the road at first?

456
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.679
I have no explanation for that because
to me that I have no idea.

457
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:07.880
I didn't see arms, I didn't
see ahead. I just saw black

458
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:14.440
shape the dog. Literally it was
a dog that looked like a dog or

459
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.920
a wolf or whatever. But I
can get behind it being a wolf maybe

460
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:21.079
because wouldn't they be standing up behind
legs and be about my high cone o.

461
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.000
They're bigger than a normal dog.
But even still, I don't know

462
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:30.679
of a wolf having the capabilities of
doing that, Like, that's still strange.

463
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:35.440
And then you have the mouse.
And I never thought about this up

464
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.719
until last year, even though you
think about it in the back of your

465
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:42.320
brain, like you try and ride
it off, but you're constantly back there

466
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:47.079
eating at you. Everything that I
encountered was on two legs. The thing

467
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:51.039
walking in the road and was walking
on two legs. The dog stood up

468
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.360
on two legs and walked off on
two legs, and know it was crouched,

469
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:57.800
it was still using only its back
legs. And the mouse originally was

470
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.239
on two legs when I was cleaning
itself. Does that have any sort of

471
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.079
connection to each other? Is it
all just a coincidence. I don't know.

472
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:08.159
I don't have any explanation for any
of that. To me, if

473
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:12.519
someone told him, I'd be like, that's just something like batshit crazy story.

474
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:16.599
To me, it doesn't make any
sense. But I know what happened

475
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:22.760
because I was there. I saw, and I wasn't alone, And I

476
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.960
wish the person that was there I
could have him verify it. But he

477
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.559
went the first shift. He got
laid off a while after that, and

478
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:35.280
then I've never spoke to the guy
again. We weren't friends or anything like

479
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.800
that, So it's just like some
guy I worked with. I don't know

480
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:38.760
whatever happened to the guy. I'm
sure I could track him down if I

481
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:43.239
wanted to. But if he didn't
want to talk about it, then why

482
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.320
do you want to talk about it
now? Yeah, I was going to

483
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.280
ask how you tried to look him
up now that you're doing a podcast.

484
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:54.159
No, I've been debating on him. But my thing is, and again

485
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:58.119
maybe it's selfish reasons. I don't
want him getting mad at me, because

486
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.639
he's not the type of person you
want as an enemy. I've mentioned this

487
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:06.599
in a couple other times, like
he wasn't he's not a very credible person

488
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:12.880
in the sense of his past history, and he'd just gotten out of jail

489
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.880
not long before that. He'd been
in jail for nine months because he got

490
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:17.920
into a bar fight and supposedly took
five pops to arrest him and he was

491
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:24.360
tased twice. That sounds like a
BS story, but that is the rumor

492
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.079
that we heard at work about who
he was, So I don't know if

493
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.199
that's true. I never looked up
cause I didn't really care. I just

494
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.320
knew he was he's the type of
call he didn't want to piss off,

495
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.239
you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, And that's why when he

496
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.239
said I need to knock it off, I just was like, Okay,

497
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:44.079
probably have a better chance of not
being killed by the dogs, do this,

498
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:51.079
dude. Recently, I talked about
this with somebody else and he said,

499
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:52.880
have you ever thought about the fact
that he's like that type of person,

500
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.519
how much it impacted him that he
was that afraid that he didn't want

501
00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:00.679
to talk about it. And if
he's that like big of a Brawley type

502
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.480
of guy that's not afraid of fighting
police, but he doesn't want to talk

503
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:07.039
about this thing. I was like, no, I never even thought about

504
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:13.880
that before. At the time of
the incident, did you guys talk anymore

505
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:19.400
in detail? Like did he say
like why he swerved off the road?

506
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:23.159
Was it like in his lane or
something or anything like that. He didn't

507
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:28.039
specifically say, he just the only
thing that was really said is that you

508
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.880
see that And I said, yeah, it wasn't and he said it didn't

509
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.960
have an f and head. I
was like, yeah, I didn't see

510
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:37.800
a head either, and then like
that was the extent of the conversation.

511
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.199
Far as like what was there?
I didn't ask if I was walking out

512
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.440
there. He was literally just his
eyes were like bulked out, trying to

513
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.599
figure out what the hell. Well, he just swerved off the road to

514
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:50.760
dismiss the original thing, Like he
didn't see any details of other than the

515
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:52.920
fact that it didn't have a head. That's what he was hung up on,

516
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.199
Like that was the first thing out
of his mouth. Is it didn't

517
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:59.480
have a head, and you didn't
see any arms either. No, what

518
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:04.159
color was? It was solid black? Like it almost looked like a walking

519
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.920
and I don't want to say a
shadow person, but like it was solid

520
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:09.559
black. I can't think of anything
else to describe it as like a walking

521
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:15.039
shadow silhouette like, but it was
not transparent like a shadow. You can

522
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:20.239
still see somewhat through a shadow person. Like this was solid because our lights

523
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:22.800
didn't go through it, like the
lights went around it, like I'm it

524
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:24.119
left a shadow, I'm pretty sure
on the ground. So it had to

525
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:31.719
been solid whenever you lit it up
with the brake lights. Could you tell

526
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:37.320
anything like texture or anything like that? No, I said earlier, there

527
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:42.159
was I didn't see hair, I
didn't see clothing. It was still just

528
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:46.679
solid black. So I don't know, it would be so much easier to

529
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:51.719
say it was someone wrapped in a
blanket like that. That is the most

530
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.480
I wish I could say. It
was just a person, a very tall

531
00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:00.159
person, drunk stumbling down the road
and then they out on their werewolf costume

532
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:05.280
and growled at me. But again, when you go when you try and

533
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.519
rationalize it that you sell even more
crazy that way than you do the other

534
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.320
way, trying to rationalize in that
sense, like who in the hell is

535
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.239
going to be out in the middle
of the night in a werewolf costume?

536
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.119
First of all, if they have
a werewolf costume that can growl and have

537
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.039
their eyes reflecting at you, then
they need to go work for Hollywood to

538
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:24.320
other than impressive feature for your suit
making abilities. And like I said,

539
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:28.719
for fifteen years, I just I
wrote it off as literally just being a

540
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:35.639
dog and a mouse, and that's
all it was. But you've had experience,

541
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.239
you know, you still think about
it, you still wonder, and

542
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.360
to this day, I'm like,
there has to have been something else to

543
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:51.760
that, and it eats at me
knowing that I'll probably actually never really know

544
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.599
what it was. I think dogs
don't walk on two legs. No,

545
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:05.199
And like you're saying, I was
racking my brain trying to think of examples

546
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.639
of dogs that would be that tall
if they stood on their hind legs.

547
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:15.400
It really narrows the field down quite
a bit. The hair that you're talking

548
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:21.159
about like that doesn't really match up
with any of the real larger dogs you're

549
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:25.760
looking at, like a Tabesta mast
of which it wasn't like the odds of

550
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:32.119
it being you know, a Tibetan
mastiff where you were are astronomical. More

551
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:40.519
likely a werewolf now, but it
doesn't have the typical werewolf lore features like

552
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:44.639
I said, didn't have hands or
human wage feed or anything like that.

553
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:50.639
So everything about it looks like a
normal am I'm going to ask a question.

554
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:53.679
This is a rough one, and
I'm only doing it with you because

555
00:42:53.679 --> 00:43:00.360
you're a podcaster. Could you see, Jennitelia, No, it may have

556
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:04.719
had something. I don't know.
I didn't look like I'm just saying,

557
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:07.519
you know, like, if it's
a dog, Yeah, it's just a

558
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:10.840
regular dog and it's standing up right, you're gonna see it's a dog.

559
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.679
Yeah. I don't remember seeing like
I said, it was so puffy,

560
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:21.920
fur like and I was more or
less just looking at its face because I

561
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.000
don't know why, but like it
was just the way it was staring at

562
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:28.159
me. I was just expecting to
come and rip my faith, you know

563
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:31.119
what I mean, Like, yeah, I'm watching its mouth. It's not

564
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:35.519
really like showing teeth or anything like
that that I remember, Like, it

565
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:39.000
was just staring at me, like
we're looking eye to eye each other.

566
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.639
And again, this whole thing only
happened for like a couple of seconds,

567
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.000
two or three seconds, not very
long, just enough for her to stand

568
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:46.159
directly up to stare at me to
let me know, hey, I can

569
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:50.199
stare at you or I can stand
up. It was like almost like I

570
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.199
don't screw with me type, you
know what I mean. Yeah, it

571
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:58.280
was just showing me, like,
hey, leave me alone. I mean,

572
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:02.000
honestly, just hearing the series of
events, the first thing that pops

573
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:07.119
in my head is shape shifter.
And that's where someone else's kind of went

574
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:14.440
off with it too. Is it
sounds like I encountered something transitioning into our

575
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:19.880
world. Yeah, interdimensional like bleeding
into our world, taking shape. And

576
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.679
the first thing was strolling down the
roads. It was still trying to get

577
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:24.559
to its form, and then we
came back and it just morphed into the

578
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:28.880
dog. And the reason that was
leaning in the roads because it was out

579
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:32.960
of power, because it just transitioned
into our world and it stood up.

580
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.480
And that's where you hung up on
ext You don't know if you believe it

581
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.400
or not, but they claimed dog
men feed on fear. I don't know

582
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:44.920
if I believe in any of that, but that's just some of the things.

583
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:47.079
It gets tossed around, and I
didn't show it any fear. I

584
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.559
was like, no, I was
more like confused of what that was going

585
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:52.719
on. Like I wasn't afraid of
it. It was just like, seriously,

586
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:57.480
what is this? And because I
didn't show it fear, it left

587
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:02.239
me alone. And they said it
turned into this mouse. Which where the

588
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:06.599
mouse came from? I have no
idea, because wow, did get ran

589
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.000
over. I mean, we don't
know if the mouse is connected or not.

590
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:14.400
But with everything else that happened,
I mean, on its own,

591
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.239
that would be weird. Why was
the mouse all wet? Why was it

592
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:22.239
cleaning himself? Like? None of
that makes sense either, so they think

593
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:28.599
it's all connected. I laugh at
this because there's few to I used to

594
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:30.880
go I went on Reddit before I
ever like went off on podcasts. I

595
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:35.119
went on Reddit and I last year, last summer or whatever, before I

596
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:38.880
actually started sharing it publicly on a
podcast. I had already been doing my

597
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:45.239
podcast for over a year. I
still never told my experience because I don't

598
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.960
understand it myself, so I didn't
feel like telling other people about it.

599
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:55.159
It's kind of weird that it's how
my mind works. And I went on

600
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.760
Reddit, though, and I wrote
it all out, and someone said,

601
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.159
you guys are clearly on drugs.
Well, sure, you just left work.

602
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.440
Of course you're on drugs. And
you know when two people are on

603
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.480
drugs, you have the same hallucinations. M h that's because that's how drugs

604
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:14.280
work. So I was like,
uh huh. I was like, I

605
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.480
can one hundred percent guarantee you I
was not on drugs because I don't do

606
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:23.039
that. And again, if we
were, you don't have the same type

607
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:28.039
of hallucinations. I mean, you
said that you didn't even know it was

608
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.199
your coworker until someone pulled off on
the side of the road, right,

609
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:34.280
I just I didn't know it was
him, like he apparently left before I

610
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.480
did. And I was getting my
bigle and just noticed there was headlights down

611
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.679
the road. I didn't know it
was him. Got off work early,

612
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:45.840
did a bunch of hallucigens before you
hit the road, right, I mean,

613
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.639
okay, yeah. Someone else said
what you machy said about a shape

614
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:55.199
shifter? I said, yeah,
I mean I could possibly be into that

615
00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:00.159
if those things exist, I mean
interdimensional shape shof for sure. Whatever.

616
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:04.960
At this point, I'm out of
guesses. Someone said I saw bear with

617
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.159
mange. Was like, at what
point did I ever say I didn't have

618
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:12.760
hair? Like if something has mange
usually it's missing fur. This thing was

619
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.599
puffy. I literally said in the
description, I had a really puffy fur.

620
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.079
And I know the difference. If
you're fifteen feet away from something,

621
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:22.760
you could tell the differ from a
dog and a bear. Can we talk

622
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.679
about the bear thing real fast?
Go for it because it's one of my

623
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:31.960
pet peas. I was actually interviewed
for a news article years and years and

624
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:38.199
years ago, and the article was
about bigfoot, but it had kind of

625
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:45.679
come out because recently at that time
a video had gone viral of a bear

626
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:52.599
walking on two legs. I think
it had been injured and didn't have any

627
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.320
front legs. It was like in
New Jersey or something. It got really

628
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:59.760
famous. But they asked me the
bear question. You know, miss I

629
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:07.400
didn't fight bears. And my response
to that, whenever you're born, you

630
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:12.079
are seeing bears all the time.
Even if you don't live in a place

631
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.480
where you see bears, you see
them on television, you see them in

632
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.639
cartoons. We have teddy bears.
There's not a little kid in the world

633
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:25.199
that can't identify a bear by the
age of five. Ye, if you

634
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:30.800
see a bear, you recognize a
bear. You're like, oh, that's

635
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.519
a bear, even if you've never
seen a bear in the while before in

636
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:38.199
your life. So whenever people say, oh, well, it was probably

637
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:45.199
just a bear, there's no way
what person couldn't readily identify a bear instantly

638
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.159
whenever they see it. M That's
all I feel about it too, is

639
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:54.079
I can understand of some darkness and
you're almost seeing shadows. This was in

640
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:59.800
my headlights. Yeah, I can
totally tell it is not a bear.

641
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:06.639
Did it walk like a bear walking
on two legs? No? And like

642
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.159
I said, I didn't actually see
it walking upright in that like it stood

643
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:13.360
directly up like a person, but
it kneeled back down and like it kind

644
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.920
of crouched down when it went off, and it looked like it could have

645
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.639
been on all fours, but its
front legs or pauls or whatever, they

646
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.320
weren't actually touching the ground, like
it just kind of had them hunkered up

647
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.519
as it went off. That's why
I said it had broken front legs.

648
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.639
So the dog would broken front legs, That's why wasn't using them because they

649
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:35.400
were hit by a car. Like
I look for every possible explanation to make

650
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:38.920
it not weird, you know what
I mean? Yeah, I mean sure

651
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:50.079
if by chance it was a very
large dog that had been injured, hit

652
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:54.599
by a car or something and had
broken front legs, and instead of trying

653
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:59.480
to walk and falling and yelping and
all that stuff like an injured dog would

654
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:04.679
do, it figured out, Hey, I can just stand on my hind

655
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:07.880
legs and walk off. Yeah.
I learned to adapt very quickly. Right,

656
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:13.320
let's say all of that is true. That doesn't explain what the hell

657
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.679
you saw to begin with. No, And that's where I always come back

658
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:22.800
to of writing everything off, is
I still can't explain what the first thing

659
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:28.079
was. It didn't have a head
or arms, so it's none of it

660
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:30.559
makes any sense to me, and
it is literally has bothered me for so

661
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:36.159
long because I want to. I
am the type of person I have to

662
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:42.199
make it make sense otherwise it upsets
me. And I don't mean that the

663
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:47.519
sound like whiny like it upsets me. And the fact that I cannot explain

664
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:55.000
this to someone without them thinking that
he's either crazy or a raving lunatic onre

665
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:59.480
you know what I mean, Like
you get there because it doesn't make any

666
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:05.960
sort of sense and it bothers me
that you can't talk about it. I

667
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.840
literally didn't speak about it even right
before I started the podcast. It was

668
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:15.840
the same year as the winter of
like from twenty twenty one into twenty twenty

669
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.519
two. Is that winter. I
was working on a survey crew and one

670
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.719
of the guys that I worked with
had mentioned something like I think he was

671
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.840
stationed in Alaska at some point or
whatever. And I mentioned to him about,

672
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:29.599
did you ever see anything weird when
he was up there? Because I'm

673
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.400
thinking, like Bigfoot, he's been
Alaska and He's like, no, why,

674
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:35.920
And for whatever reason, I was
compelled to tell him about what happened

675
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:42.360
to me, and then we set
the rest of the lunch in his truck

676
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.760
in awkward silence because I'm like,
oh, this dude's gonna get me fired.

677
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:50.280
They got a freaking lunatic now because
I told him I've seen what I

678
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.920
saw, He's like, oh great, I'm with a crazy guy. But

679
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:57.920
I never heard anything else about any
of that. But I felt better talking

680
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:05.159
about it, and that's what it
really transitioned to me into being more forward,

681
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:10.760
wanting to do the podcast because it
made me feel better to talk about

682
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.119
us. So I was like,
maybe if I hear other people talking about

683
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:17.159
it, it'll make me feel better, might help people feel better because they

684
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:23.119
felt like me because they couldn't talk
about it. And that's where, like

685
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:28.320
I said, I started that summer. Where I'm at now is like I

686
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:32.960
do it selfishly just because my intent
was to make myself feel better but also

687
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:39.119
help other people. So it's like
mutual benefits for both. But in the

688
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:44.000
long run, it's basically me trying
to find answers to something that I probably

689
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:49.440
won't find out. Have you ever
talked to anybody that's had a similar experience.

690
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.960
I've talked with people that have had
dogmen experiences and stuff like that,

691
00:52:55.000 --> 00:53:01.039
but nothing has ever been similar to
mine. I've never spoken with anyone that's

692
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:08.000
had anything like three different instances boom
boom boom within a five minute span.

693
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:15.800
The mouse thing can be completely unrelated. Sure, it could just been a

694
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:17.800
poisoned mouse that just come out and
to come strolling up in between like that.

695
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:24.760
It's still strange, and that happened
recently in my driveway. But we

696
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:30.039
have rodent poison out in my garage, so it's right by my garage.

697
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:31.719
I can understand why there's a mouse
that I could scoop up and toss him

698
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:35.599
across the road, because he'd clearly
ate some of that stuff. So I

699
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:42.400
could write off the mouse in that
sense, But why was he wed and

700
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.039
why was he right in the same
area as all this going on? Like

701
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:49.239
that's still a coincidence, and I'm
not one that believes in the coincidences very

702
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:54.840
easily, so I don't. Like
I said, it's kind of at a

703
00:53:54.880 --> 00:54:00.119
loss at this point, because as
much as I would like to say it

704
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:05.119
was just a dog and a mouse, I know it wasn't, just because

705
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:07.840
of the thing that was in the
front those walking originally, and I have

706
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:12.639
no clue what that would have been. I did hear that we were abducted

707
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:16.840
by aliens, and those were the
implant memories of the aliens gave us.

708
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:22.400
If we were getting abducted by aliens, why wouldn't they have just not given

709
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:24.400
us something strange like that. They've
just been like, oh, you just

710
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:30.519
kept driving, Like why would they
have given me the most questionable memory ever?

711
00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:38.960
I grew up hearing stories about different
Native American folklore. If that's what

712
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:42.360
you want to call it. It's
not the right word at all, but

713
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:49.760
you know, people, certain individuals
having the ability to shape shift into other

714
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:54.079
creatures. Mm and uh, I
mean like, yeah, that was the

715
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:58.360
first thing that popped in my head. And I know that the dog man

716
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:02.760
community does not like shape shifting,
and you know, because then you go

717
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:07.599
down the werewolf route and they don't
like that. But especially like the wet

718
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:13.840
mouse at the end, I mean, you know, you hear stories that

719
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.519
there's people that can do that.
I don't know if it's true or not.

720
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:21.400
I don't want to find out if
it's true personally, but yeah,

721
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:25.360
that's still just where I go.
As I think more and more about your

722
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.119
story, When people ask me if
I ever wanted to see it again,

723
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:30.880
I said I hope I see it
again. I hope it walks out on

724
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.400
the road, because I'm gonna run
that MF or over. I'm not stopping,

725
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.440
I'm not swerving. I'm all splattering, and I won't have my proof.

726
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.480
I'm unknown to myself what it was
coming home with me. I don't

727
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:44.400
care if it offends people that I
say that, because I know, oh,

728
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.760
you can't kill things, and we're
no body thinking. I don't care

729
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:52.599
at this point, Like if it's
the last of his kind, I'm sorry,

730
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:57.559
I just wipe out the entire whatever
it was species. Don't walk out

731
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:00.239
in front of me. That's all
I'm saying. So what else is going

732
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:06.360
on? You kind of told me
a little bit. I told you not

733
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:10.440
to tell me anything until we recorded, But you've piqued my interest. That

734
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:15.400
wasn't the only strange event that you've
experienced. This is not related to that,

735
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:21.480
I don't think. But I've got
about I've got about thirty minutes before

736
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:23.360
i go pick up my kids,
so I'm gonna hurry up and blow through

737
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:31.320
this for you. We moved into
this house in twenty twenty, and I

738
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:35.519
again, I'm a skeptic, so
I don't want to say anything is supernatural,

739
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:38.360
paranormal, whatever, but when you
hear all the events that go on,

740
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:43.559
you come and just scratch your head
and be like, hmm. We

741
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:47.239
moved into October of twenty twenty and
I'm painting the kitchen. At the time,

742
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:53.760
we had a little miniature Schnauzer and
obviously my other dogs, but I'm

743
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.639
just a minature snouder. He would
growl at anything, like if a leaf

744
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.440
blue, he'd be growling and bargaining
at it. He was like fourteen,

745
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:05.519
so he didn't live much longer once
we moved in here. But he starts

746
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:07.679
growling as I'm painting in the kitchen. I'm the only one home and he's

747
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.079
growling, so I don't think anything
of it because he's always growling. And

748
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:15.599
then I hear the floorboard creek in
the living room going that only happens when

749
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:20.639
you step on a specific spot in
the floor. So I instantly go look

750
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:24.519
in the living room. There's no
one there, but he's growling looking at

751
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:30.920
it, so I said, knock
it off, go back to painting my

752
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:34.920
hair on my arms. Kind of
like rose up a little bit because it

753
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.280
kind of creeped me out, but
I just was like whatever. Just went

754
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.760
about my business because I don't really
buy into all that type of stuff too

755
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:46.480
much. A couple of weeks go
by, we finally moved in, and

756
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:52.239
the house has built in nineteen seventy
eight, so it's not a super old

757
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.119
place, and no one has ever
passed away to the best of my knowledge,

758
00:57:55.119 --> 00:58:00.639
because the folks had the place before
said that they bought it in nineteen

759
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:05.239
ninety five. I think only one
other person, one or two other people

760
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.960
had it before they did. But
when we bought the place, the old

761
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:14.760
lady told us that the doors have
built ten crosses on them and if you

762
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:16.880
look at them, they kind of
do the way it's framed up. And

763
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:21.119
I was like, okay, cool
whatever. They had Jesus pictures and all

764
00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:24.639
sorts of stuff on the walls.
They were obviously Christian type people. I'm

765
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:30.559
not religious, so that doesn't really
matter to me. But anyways, we're

766
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:35.360
laying in bed and they have on
the windows the old pulldown blinds and the

767
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:37.760
type of roll up you know what
I'm talking about, I get pulled down.

768
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:42.039
My wife and I were laying in
bed. My daughter at the time

769
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.599
she is she's born in February.
This was in October or November, so

770
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:52.239
she's not two yet, she's probably
like twenty months old roughly. Anyways,

771
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:54.880
we have a baby monitor. It's
one with a video and audio. She's

772
00:58:54.880 --> 00:59:00.440
in the room right next to us. So we're laying in bed and the

773
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:05.639
blind by her bed just rolls up
by itself scares the crap out of us.

774
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.239
We laughed because clearly we didn't pull
it down enough. I'm not saying

775
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:15.079
that's paranormal or or anything like.
It can happen. It can happen,

776
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:22.039
yeah, But what happens a couple
of minutes later, Again, I'm not

777
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.719
gonna say paranormal, because it can
happen too. But through the baby monitor,

778
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:35.800
we hear a man voice that says
mine, nope, Nope. So

779
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.679
we ran to her room, grabbed
our daughter, and brought her into our

780
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:45.440
bedroom and she slept with us that
night, stayed in our room, and

781
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:51.880
she pretty much stayed in our room
for the next seven or eight months because

782
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:58.800
what happened a few days later.
My wife was changing our daughter's clothes and

783
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:04.360
she happens to notice three very large
scratches down her back. Oh man,

784
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:12.480
the number three is significant in the
sense if you look into yeah, things

785
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:17.719
because it is mocking of the Holy
Trinity. Three is a sacred number to

786
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:25.199
them to mock right, three scratches
comes up kind of often and demonic yes

787
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:34.639
activities. So I went through this
entire house, every corner, every room,

788
01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:38.159
and I threatened whatever was in here. I will not say what I

789
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:40.840
said to it, but I basically
told it, if it's going to come

790
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:44.039
after something, it's going to come
after me, and it needs to grow

791
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:47.760
up because I'm not one to f
with U. You leave my children alone.

792
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:52.840
And I said it's not welcome and
it's not allowed to be here.

793
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:59.440
So I felt like I did something
right because we didn't have any more problems.

794
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:07.199
So I thought our daughter, she's
Most parents bragged on their kids,

795
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:09.920
but I've always thought my daughter was
really high intelligence for a little kid,

796
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:15.480
Like she could talk at an early
age, very very like conversationalise. I

797
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:19.079
have a son who's younger and he's
going to be three. He just now

798
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:24.039
started to talk, but my daughter
could talk well before that. She started

799
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:30.000
having an imaginary friend, and those
creep me out in general, like you've

800
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.480
had kids or whatever, like I
don't know if your kids had imaginary friends.

801
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:37.199
But I was like I don't like
that. Nope. But my wife's

802
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:43.159
like, well, it's normal,
okay, whatever you say. Well,

803
01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:47.519
her imaginary friend is named Chloe.
That's kind of a specific name. Yeah,

804
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:54.519
And my wife said, well,
that's Bluie's best friend on that cartoon

805
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:58.000
show. So it's like, oh, okay, it makes sense whatever,

806
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:00.719
because she really liked Blue at the
time. This is probably about a year

807
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:09.400
later, so she's not quite three
yet, and she is always talking about

808
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:15.239
Chloe this and that. She mentions
sometimes that, well, Chloe sleeps in

809
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.519
the floor. Why is Chloe in
the floor? Well, i'st where she

810
01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:20.599
sleeps, Like, oh, because
it must be a dog or whatever.

811
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:27.599
And I said, what is Chloe
anyway? Like, what does she look

812
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:30.800
like? I don't remember specifically if
she said she's blue or purple. I

813
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:37.559
thought she said purple. I'm like, oh, okay, Louie's blue whatever

814
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:44.400
dog. I said, Oh,
why is she purple? Because she's a

815
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:52.079
ghost? I said, what hum? She said she's dead. She's not

816
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:54.400
even three yet or just at three. Why would she know that? You

817
01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:58.800
know what I mean? Yeah,
Like this is some weird stuff for a

818
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:01.880
child to be seen. I'm like, uh uh, Chloe is not welcome.

819
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:05.199
Here anymore. We don't want Chloe
here. You're not allowed to talk

820
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:08.800
to Chloe. Chloe has to leave. So she kind of stopped talking about

821
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:15.000
Chloe. Like that was the end
of Chloe this. Like I said,

822
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:16.880
I think she was about three at
the time. I could have my time

823
01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:22.840
frames wrong, but it was right
before I started the podcast. And I

824
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:28.360
started doing the podcast, and I'd
only been doing it for a couple of

825
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:32.280
weeks and someone don't know who they
were, just a random person on the

826
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:40.559
internet told me they really worry about
me and my family. I said,

827
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:45.840
what do you mean. They said, when you start looking into these things,

828
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:51.559
sometimes things start looking back. That's
very niche or whatever the thing was

829
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.199
called, like you stare into the
abyss, the abyss stairs back or whatever

830
01:03:54.679 --> 01:04:00.159
the saying goes. So I was
just like, oh, okay, didn't

831
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:05.760
think much about that. And then
my daughter started to have sleep terrors or

832
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:09.679
nightmares or whatever, kept having bad
dreams and wanted to come on our room

833
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:13.960
for having bad dreams. And that
went on for a long time. And

834
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:20.199
then last year about March, about
a year ago March March April sometime I

835
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:23.679
kind of took a break from doing
to in foiltels for a little bit.

836
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:26.599
I had a lot of stuff recorded, so I just wanted to take a

837
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:29.360
little bit of time off. And
I was doing this other podcast with my

838
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:38.880
friend and during that time, looking
at it now, she wasn't having the

839
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:43.239
night terrors anymore, so I don't
know if that correlated to doing the podcast

840
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:51.079
or not. And then back in
the summer of last year, I started

841
01:04:51.079 --> 01:05:00.119
redoing the podcast and everything seemed fine, not a big deal. And then

842
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.920
I think it was about September last
year. The older kids are down in

843
01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:09.079
the basement and I don't think anything
about it because they had a couple of

844
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:15.000
friends over, and I hear them
all start screaming, and I'm like,

845
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:18.760
what are they doing? Because I
noticed they came upstairs a little bit ago

846
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:24.239
and asked for some candles and a
lighter. My wife assumed they just thought

847
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:26.880
it stunk down here and they're gonna
light up some candles and make it spell

848
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:29.440
better. When I heard the scream, I looked at I was like,

849
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:33.239
I bet they're doing a freaking seance. Sure enough, I come downstairs and

850
01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:38.199
they have a makeshift Wiji board they
tried to draw, and they're trying to

851
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:43.800
talk to spirits. At this point, I go into overprotective dad mode and

852
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:47.000
I blow up on them right and
I'm like, the hell are you doing?

853
01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:50.639
Like you know, of all the
stupid things that you could have done,

854
01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:54.320
this is the one thing that you
should have never done, because you

855
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:58.480
can open a doorway and bring in
something that we can never put back.

856
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:00.360
I was like, you don't even
know what you're doing. At this point,

857
01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:03.719
their friends probably think I'm crazy and
they've never came back over since then,

858
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:09.320
but they're probably went home told their
parents crazy Dad starts screaming at us

859
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:13.519
about demons and house sorts of stuff
and oh, I won't go back over

860
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:16.920
there. Sorry, that was their
idea. They claimed that my kids blamed

861
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:19.599
their friends for it. It was
their ideas because my kids said they knew

862
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:26.519
better. They're like, uh huh, still did it? Anyways? After

863
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:32.199
all that goes on, not much
longer after that, weird stuff starts happening

864
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:40.480
again. Basically, now my two
year old son does not want to sleep

865
01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:43.159
in his bed. He's never had
an issue being in his own room.

866
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:50.440
Now he wants to sleep with us
and can't explain it. And my daughter's

867
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:56.079
back having bad dreams again. I
was like, is it really because of

868
01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:59.079
what they've done. I went through
the house again. I tried to say,

869
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:03.079
get out of here. Whatever.
I've never seen anything at this point,

870
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:05.079
so I can't. I don't know
what. It could just be kids

871
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:09.320
having sleeping, you know. I
try to write it off. I'm not

872
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:16.480
saying it's supernatural or anything. It's
just weird. And then in November,

873
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:25.679
I happened to look out back and
in the field behind our house there is

874
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:30.760
an orange glowing ball. It looked
like a flare and it's in the sky.

875
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:35.559
I yell at my wife and son
to come look at this. And

876
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:41.480
I've literally made comments about people see
things that never take pictures of us,

877
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:43.840
Like everyone has a phone, why
would they. I didn't think about taking

878
01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:46.159
a picture of it. You're just
just guilty. Like I just was like,

879
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:51.119
look this thing that I record it. Oh No, I didn't anythink

880
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:55.199
about I just wanted to look at
it. It lifted up a little bit

881
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:57.280
and went off to the side,
and it just kind of like disappeared.

882
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:00.639
It had been stationary for like at
least a couple minutes, and then it

883
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:02.280
it lifted up and moved and disappeared. And I can't explain that. It's

884
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:05.960
just strange. If it was a
layer, it wouldn't have came down before

885
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:11.920
it faded away, wouldn't have went
up and then yeah, so I having

886
01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:14.000
no idea what that was, and
I know I was anything related. It's

887
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:19.640
just strange. Well, not much
longer after, I had a couple of

888
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:23.640
weeks later, I thought we were
up at the four way stop, saying

889
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:27.079
on our way home, and I'm
thinking, I'm looking at starlink out in

890
01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:30.880
front of our house because I see
all these lights and look like they're not

891
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:32.399
too far from our house and they're
in the sky and they look like they're

892
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:36.840
all connected. I actually do have
a photo and a video because at this

893
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:40.640
point I remembered to throw on my
phone to my wife and told her to

894
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:44.000
record it. So I have two
seconds of it because we hit a bump

895
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:46.199
and she didn't realize she hit the
record button again and recorded very long.

896
01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:53.000
But so I have two seconds of
this light strand it wasn't starlink because I

897
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:57.960
looked started Starlink wasn't in that area. But once we got into our driveway

898
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:01.960
and I got out to try and
record it, it had disappeared. So

899
01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:06.239
it's two weird light situations within a
couple weeks ago. The right fire house

900
01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:12.079
very strange. And again I'm not
saying it's UFOs or aliens or anything.

901
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:14.119
I don't I don't know what it
is. I'm just saying the seeing some

902
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:23.880
weird shit. And right after this, my two year old is in our

903
01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:26.640
bed. He's between my wife and
I because that's where he's been sleeping lately.

904
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:35.359
He says, daddy ghost, ghost, Daddy ghost. I'm facing the

905
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:39.359
wall. I'm not looking at him. He's beside me, and my wife's

906
01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:45.640
like, do you hear him?
Yep, I'm not looking. I'm still

907
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:48.000
staring at the wall, like I
do not want to look at whatever he's

908
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:51.399
seen. And he keeps saying it. My wife's like, what is he

909
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:56.119
looking at? So I roll over. I don't see anything in the ceiling.

910
01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:59.199
I see a shadow, but it's
a shadow that's always there, is

911
01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:00.840
from the light from the that we
have to have on because my wife can't

912
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:05.079
sleep with out a fan on,
so that's all I'm seeing. I'm like,

913
01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:08.640
buddy, I don't see a ghost. Daddy ghosts. And I look

914
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:12.119
over him. He snuggles up to
his mom. She's hold of him.

915
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:16.399
He's visibly shaking. He's terrified of
whatever he's seen. I don't see anything,

916
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:24.439
so I don't know what to do, Like we get him calm down,

917
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:28.560
he goes to sleep. He wakes
up about four point thirty in the

918
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.600
morning and wants me to go get
him a drink. And as I get

919
01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:35.199
up to get out of bed,
he goes, oh, Daddy, ghost

920
01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:41.399
gone, ghost gone. It's like, oh, I said, you hear

921
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:43.560
him. I was like, yeah, I heard him. It was gone.

922
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:46.359
What are you supposed to do in
that situation? Yeah. I go

923
01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:53.399
through the house again, every corner, tell whatever energies are here and does

924
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:59.399
not welcome needs to be gone,
this and that, and I thought I

925
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:06.039
thought we were done. And then
right before Christmas. I remember this specifically,

926
01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:12.119
is right around Christmas time, I
had a dream. So I think,

927
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:16.319
as a dream, there's something trying
to take my kid. He's in

928
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:19.880
bed with us, but at this
point in the dream he's being carried off

929
01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:25.279
by these little, pinkish skinned humanoids. And I don't want to say they're

930
01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:28.079
aliens because they didn't look like a
typical gray alien like. They looked like

931
01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:31.439
a little humans, but they were
hairless and no clothes or anything, and

932
01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:35.159
I'm swinging on them. I'm punching
them, kicking them because they're not taking

933
01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:41.159
my son. And one of them
takes something and it's I don't want to

934
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:45.399
say hand, but something was glowing
and it went up into my nostril and

935
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:48.640
I instantly woke up out of the
dream, and I freak out because he's

936
01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:51.479
not laying next to me. Somehow, he'd crawled under the cover and made

937
01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:54.359
it all the way to the foot
of the bed. He's never done that

938
01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:58.399
before, He's never done it since
I grabbed him. I brought him back

939
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.039
up here hell a long time,
and I fell back to sleep. The

940
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:03.199
next morning, I woke up,
went to the bathroom and take my normal

941
01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:08.600
routine piss and stood in front of
the mirror to wash my hand. I

942
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:13.079
looked in the mirror the nostril and
my dream from where they stuck the thing

943
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:17.039
in there, that's crusty blood around
it. I instantly go to my wife,

944
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:23.319
freaked out, tell her about the
dream, tell her other. She

945
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:27.319
starts laughing because my wife's not into
all this type of stuff, says,

946
01:12:27.319 --> 01:12:30.920
I must have scratched my nose in
my dream. I was picking my nose,

947
01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:34.239
and that's what I was dreaming about
okay, whatever. Well, she

948
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:39.159
proceeds to tell her family later that
day that came over for wasn't on Christmas.

949
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:43.399
It was like we had family Christmas
before Christmas with her family and they

950
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:45.479
all start laughing and like, oh, do you probe yourself when you're sleep?

951
01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:49.920
And I said, what if it
wasn't a dream? And then they

952
01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:55.000
just like laugh and kind of like
got me, like I'm crazy. That's

953
01:12:55.000 --> 01:13:00.640
a weird coincidence too. And I'm
not saying aliens are coming hereducting me.

954
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:03.560
I don't you know what I mean. I don't know right, I'm just

955
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:08.840
saying, like, literally, there's
crusty blood from that same mouthful world in

956
01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:15.680
my dream that I gotten a light
stuck into my nose. But we go

957
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:20.840
on vacation to Disney. Everything's fine. Come back in January from we went

958
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:25.439
around New Year's for Disney. Come
back, kids, go back to school.

959
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:30.439
Everything's fine. I have a garage
outside with a fridge. That's where

960
01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:32.960
we keep most of the drinks at
So I walk from the one into the

961
01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:35.800
house in the middle of night because
I'm thirsty, all the way out to

962
01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:40.880
the garage and get a drink,
and I come back inside, I happened

963
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:46.560
to notice a little shadow figure person
no bigger than fifteen to eighteen inches,

964
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:54.600
darting down the hallway, and I'm
like, I give chase, and it

965
01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:58.880
goes right into my daughter's room and
I run in there. She's sound asleep

966
01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:03.039
in her room. I don't see
anything. It was on two legs.

967
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:08.479
Whatever it was, a little two
legged shadowy person running down the hallway.

968
01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:13.479
Can't explain that one. As much
as I've tried to think it was something

969
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:16.479
like there's nothing that small in the
house that would have been that, you

970
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:20.359
know what I mean? Like,
what would have made that shadowy person thing?

971
01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:29.479
I have no idea. And then
this is where my dog comes into

972
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:36.640
play. So I have an all
white German shepherd. She is chewing on

973
01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:43.840
something. It's about this has been
into January, beginning of February, Like,

974
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:46.479
what do you got? I open
her mouth whatever, she's chewing on

975
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:51.520
a tooth. I'm thinking, oh, she's lost a tooth. I checked

976
01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:55.920
her mouth. I didn't see aywhere
where she's missing a tooth. And I

977
01:14:55.920 --> 01:15:01.039
can send you the photos of the
teeth. It looks like a human's tooth.

978
01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:06.760
None of my kids lost any teeth. Thought it was really strange.

979
01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:11.000
So I put it on the counter
and I wait till my wife to get

980
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:13.920
home from work. Showed it to
her. She agreed, it looks like

981
01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:16.079
almost like a child's tooth. It's
got like a long root to it,

982
01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:19.680
so kids teeth don't have like the
roots attached, you know what I mean,

983
01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:23.720
like when they lose a tooth.
Yeah, it looks it's a small

984
01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:27.880
tooth. It looks like an adult's
tooth side of a child's tooth. It's

985
01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:34.600
strange. Didn't think anything about it
other than the loss strange. About two

986
01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:40.640
or three weeks go by, my
dog's chewing on something else. My son's

987
01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:45.079
like, what do you got and
he pulls out a tooth. He brings

988
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:48.039
it to me. I'm like,
oh, it's the same tooth. Must

989
01:15:48.039 --> 01:15:51.680
have found it again. She's still
gnawn on it. And at this point

990
01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:57.359
I look over at my wife,
who's now white as a ghost. I

991
01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:02.640
said, what is wrong? She
said I threw that tooth away. I

992
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:05.359
was like, clearly you didn't.
She's like, no, I threw it

993
01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:12.199
in the trash weeks ago. She's
convinced it's the same tooth that she threw

994
01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:16.720
away. So I go outside with
the two that take a couple of pictures

995
01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:20.159
of it. And I go down
the road to where there's some field that's

996
01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:25.680
owned by some not the nicest of
neighbors, and I chucked the tooth over

997
01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:29.159
into their field, and I said, if there's any bad juju, to

998
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:34.640
go somewhere else so I don't want
to hear. And I haven't found another

999
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:38.800
tooth yet. I thought about it
after the fact. Buddy said I should

1000
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.479
have put road on it with a
sharpie or something so it comes back again

1001
01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:45.560
on It was the same tooth.
But I've checked the dog's mouth that wasn't

1002
01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:49.720
missing any teeth. Checked the other
dog's mouth, she wasn't missing any teeth.

1003
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:55.760
The kids weren't missing any teeth.
I can't explain the teeth thing.

1004
01:16:55.800 --> 01:16:59.319
That is weird. Someone says,
someone says rodents bring in teeth. I

1005
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:00.279
was like, that's fine. I
want to know where the human heads they're

1006
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:04.000
bringing the teeth in from, like, because it doesn't look like animal doy.

1007
01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:09.520
They look like little human maller teeth. That's weird, man. I

1008
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:13.960
mean, like if the dog found
something, it's been the German shepherd both

1009
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:15.880
times, and I went out and
looked because they have a little fenced in

1010
01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:18.159
area when we let them out,
the back porch that they can go in

1011
01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:21.079
to do out and do their business. And I've looked all through that I've

1012
01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:26.840
never found anything that they've had been
bringing teeth in from. And why would

1013
01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:31.600
they bring just like the teeth yea, the same exact looking tooth. So

1014
01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:35.239
that is, uh, that is
the last weird thing that happened. That

1015
01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:40.760
was about a month or so ago. I don't know if there's been anything

1016
01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:44.439
else going on. I don't know
if it was even paranormal. I just

1017
01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:46.439
know that there's been some weird stuff
going on in the four years that we've

1018
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:50.840
lived here. Are going on four
years that we've lived here. Yeah,

1019
01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:57.960
i'd say, so that's that's definitely
something. Have you thought about keeping some

1020
01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:02.520
sort of record, a journal or
something your experiences. I've talked about it,

1021
01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:04.760
I guess on your show on another
show, But other than that,

1022
01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:11.560
I haven't been like documenting anything other
than what I've talked about. Like I

1023
01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:15.840
said, I don't, I don't
really. I don't want to say I

1024
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:20.399
don't believe in it, but I
I want to have more roof of something,

1025
01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:24.560
I guess, So, like I
said, I can't say that everything

1026
01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:29.920
that's happened in the house is paranormal
because I don't know. Right, I'm

1027
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.880
not saying it's demonic, because again
I don't know. But I look back

1028
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:36.720
at what that old lady had said
about doors that had crosses built on the

1029
01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:40.159
doors. I never thought about it. I was like, why did she

1030
01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:44.159
make a point to tell us that, right of all things to say,

1031
01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:45.840
I was just a random thing that
she told us. I was like,

1032
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:48.880
yeah, the house, all the
doors on the houses have built in crosses.

1033
01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:55.319
Oh okay. I didn't think anything
about it. I wonder if there

1034
01:18:55.319 --> 01:19:00.239
was a reason why they put those
doors in. Where I live at is

1035
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:04.760
a very high Native American land area. This used to be they still have

1036
01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:09.199
their places around here as the Miami
Indians. I live in Miami County.

1037
01:19:09.560 --> 01:19:13.520
Pretty sure it's named from the Miami
Indians. But where we live there is

1038
01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:19.000
a river not too far from here, and there's another river, and I'll

1039
01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:23.560
only live four miles from where I
had my weird experience back in two thousand

1040
01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:29.680
and seven. I still live in
the same general area. So with it

1041
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:36.439
being strong with Native American lore,
is it all connected? Is it all

1042
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:43.800
the incidents I have no idea.
It's something to think about, because I

1043
01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:49.159
know every think about it all the
time. Yeah, I've ran across a

1044
01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:54.520
lot of situations where and I talk
about this all the time on the podcast

1045
01:19:54.600 --> 01:20:00.399
about a lot of people very seldom
experience just one weird thing and then never

1046
01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:06.039
anything else. It usually seems like
if you experience one thing, it kind

1047
01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:12.039
of opens the door and you start
experiencing other things and it sounds like you

1048
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:15.840
might be going through a similar situation. Then there's also, like you're saying,

1049
01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:21.039
just the geographic region itself could have
something going on that's causing all these

1050
01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:29.880
events. It's tough to say,
but for sure you've got some strange stuff

1051
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:35.760
going on. Whether it's paranormal or
alien or anything else, I can't really

1052
01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:43.319
say, but yeah, you're definitely
experiencing enough events that it's worth noting and

1053
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:49.720
mentioning, so that I've even made
comments from people that I've been hesitant to

1054
01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:54.319
interview because they have so many different
types of experiences, like man, this

1055
01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:56.920
can't be true. And then here
I am talking about the stuff with you,

1056
01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:59.399
and I'm like, I sound like
the people that I'm kind of hesitant

1057
01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:02.840
A. Yeah, yeah, So
it's like Again, That's why I don't

1058
01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:08.600
want to write anyone off with my
shows, because as weird as it sounds,

1059
01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:14.159
my own stuff is very weird.
So I can't say anyone's full of

1060
01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:20.600
crap because I know what I'm experienced, Like what's going on. I'm not

1061
01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:25.880
the only one experience. My whole
family can attest to what's going on here,

1062
01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:31.640
So it's very very eye opening.
Like I said, I try and

1063
01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:38.079
be skeptical, but I'm very open
minded at this point because I just you

1064
01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:43.840
can't write it off, Brandon.
Tenfoil Tells. Where can they find your

1065
01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:48.520
stuff? Man, Well, anywhere
where you listen to Bigfoot Crossroads you should

1066
01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:55.000
be able to find Tenfoil Tells.
There's also Tenfoiltales dot com. It'll have

1067
01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:58.239
the episodes on there, but it's
also got links to where you can find

1068
01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:00.159
it on any of the platform to
choose to listen to it at. There

1069
01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:05.119
is a YouTube channel. I'm not
a YouTuber, so the videos that are

1070
01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:13.720
on there are just the audio from
the interviews. But the last Thursday of

1071
01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:16.640
every month, I've started doing a
live stream called Tenfoil Tells After Dark.

1072
01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:21.399
It's at nine pm Eastern Standard Time
on the last they have every month,

1073
01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:26.199
and I always have a new guest
on. It's like a live's version of

1074
01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:30.319
the show. And I usually have
another podcaster on there too. So maybe

1075
01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:33.800
sometime you want to hop on and
be a co host for the night.

1076
01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:38.399
Yeah, yeah, we should do
that sometime. Be more and welcome to

1077
01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:42.840
do that. And then basically like
do a double interview with a guest and

1078
01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:46.199
kind of there's no agenda to it. It's just kind of what it is.

1079
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:51.760
But for anyone that's interested in Tenfoil
Tells, just make sure you don't

1080
01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:59.000
find the Australian version. Just look
up Tenfoil Tells. You'll find it.

1081
01:22:59.079 --> 01:23:02.520
I've got so many episodes on there
about cryptids, I've got alien stuff,

1082
01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:08.800
I've got conspiracy stuff, I've got
paranormal stuff. It's pretty much anything under

1083
01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:14.600
the umbrella weird. It's on there. You just released a show about thunderbirds,

1084
01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:19.279
right, yeah, the episode that
came out. I released two episodes

1085
01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:21.800
a week. Currently. My plan
is to go back to only doing one

1086
01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:25.520
a week, but I had such
a huge backlog I've been dropping them on

1087
01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:30.760
Tuesdays and Fridays. So Friday's episode
is a Thunderbird, Today's episode is Dogman

1088
01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:35.920
behavior. Someone that I interviewed has
done a lot of research into dogman behavioral

1089
01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:42.319
patterns for their habitat and aggression and
other things. So it's a very interesting

1090
01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:46.199
topic that came out today. So
if you want to reach out and tell

1091
01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:51.000
someone your story, you can reach
out to Tinfoil Tells or Bigfoot Crossroads at

1092
01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:56.560
Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.
Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com,

1093
01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:00.239
all the past episodes, links to
social media, everything you need all in

1094
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:04.920
one place, And until next time, remember there's something in the woods.