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You hear the term I didn't have
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let's say from forty fifty yards in
most likely it comes from us as

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players trying to feel one club to
travel different distances that we might not practice

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a lot, especially for amateurs.
How do you lower your index? The

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lower your index by hitting better golf
shots through an eighteen whole round of golf.

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It's about managing your missus. You
hear that term when we may end

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up in some in between yardages.
And you've been here before, you understand

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our golf courses aren't long on the
scorecard, and you look at a lot

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of three hundred and forty par four
as you look at a lot of four

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hundred and sixty par fives to where
an avid golfer that looks short on the

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scorecards. Where then we end up
in some of those in between yardages because

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we try to overpower the golf course. All right, This is David Schmidt

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from Lee Summit, Missouri, and
I played golf at Meals National Golf Course

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in Morrensburg, Missouri. This is
Golf Smarter number eight ninety eight Bandon Dunes

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Golf as it was meant to be
in the spirit of Scotland Ancient Links.

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This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf mines

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to help you lower your score and
raise your golf IQ. Here's your host,

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Fred Green. Today's episode features two
guests back to back, and I

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wanted to give you a heads up
about this. Our first guest, Michael

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Chopka, is going to provide us
with a complete overview of the history,

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the future, services, amenities and
designs of the Abandoned Dunes Golf Resort.

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And then we're going to meet the
head teaching professional Abandoned Dunes, Kevin Phillips,

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and he's going to teach us how
to prepare and manage our way through

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each of the five eighteen hole link
style courses. Let's think of this episode

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like we're playing thirty six holes in
a day, which I'm going to be

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doing twice coming up. Welcome to
the Golf Smarter podcast. Michael, appreciate

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you having me on. Fred.
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and that's coming up in the next
couple of days. I'm going to be

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leaving this weekend to go up to
Bandon Dunes and I love the line that

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you guys have on your website Golf
as it was meant to be. And

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this is going to be my second
trip. Last one was ten years ago.

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I feel like I'm a better golfer
now. I feel like I'm prepared.

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I've been playing for weeks with the
thought of just expect to be playing

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in a lot of wind. It
has been blown recently, but that's kind

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of what makes bandon bandon, right. You gotta get that full Lins test.

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So it has been blown, but
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raining. We can use her some
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not until after I leave. Please
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to Mother Nature. I'll make sure
that happens right afterwards. Well, thank

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you. I know that Mike Kaiser
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Mike Kayser being the owner and developer
of this entire project. What is it

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about abandoned dunes that makes it like
one of the leading destination places for golf

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in the United States? Yeah,
I mean, I think for one,

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is is just there's nowhere else like
it. It is as authentic of a

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links golf experiences you can find in
the Condental US When you're comparing it to

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all the great links courses in the
British Isles, right, So there's no

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doubt that it's just different than anywhere
else. That connection to nature for our

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guest, you know, I think
that that dynamic of when you come to

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Bandon, you're typically coming with a
bunch of friends or family members of people

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that you would want to be taking
an epic golf trip with, you know,

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so there's a sense of community that
when you get here, the people

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that you're playing with, as well
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is just kind of a golf nut
and it breeds this atmosphere that people really

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resonate with. Golf nut is the
key element here, I think, because

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it's not easy to get to and
there's a lot there for the golfer.

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And I love that you said with
friends and family, because I'm coming up.

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I'm gonna be with a group of
eight guys and three brothers son of

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one of the brothers, and then
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somebody, so there's eight of us, so it is friends and family all

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in this group. That's incredible.
Yeah, it'll be a phone one.

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Yeah, So tell me about Tell
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You have numerous golf courses. Let's
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and I'm going to ask you about
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hopefully in part two of this conversation
with Kevin Phillips, your director of instruction,

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I'm going to get into details,
but some overviews from you. When

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we arrive, we're going to be
playing at the preserve. Give me a

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little give me taste about the preserve. Yeah, the preserves a great place

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to start. That's our thirteen whole
Part three course, which was designed by

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Bill Core and Bankernshaw and opened back
in two and twelve. Initially was designed

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because there was I mean, a
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play thirty six holes in a day, and the Preserve was an opportunity to

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fill in some of the itinerary for
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have time to play eighteen on an
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day. And then also for those
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holes back to back to back days. So the Preserve came in kind of

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in the middle of the old evolution
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very first course, being being in
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Our most recent course, the Sheep
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course, is built in twenty twenty. So over that scope, in that

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range of years, the resort has
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and there's there's now five eighteen old
golf courses that preserve the thirteen old

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Part three course. We're building a
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open sometime next year, and there'll
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abandoned trails and when you play the
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be able to look to the south
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yeah, it's um, it's always
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experience. And it's been a fun
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the decision to go thirteen holes in
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that one is typically why not you
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eighteen holes or why nine holes?
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of the game. But for thirteen
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for the band to preserve and enter
and around with the spacing of it and

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the amount of time that it takes
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in relation to the timing of your
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on one of the eighteen hole courses. And we really, I think at

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an even deeper level, we wanted
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to break ninety, I need to
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like taking it hole by hole,
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these benchmarks of shooting a particular score. Yeah. I remember my last time

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I was there, we played the
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doing. We arrived on Sunday afternoon. We're gonna do the clinic with Oven

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and then we're going to play the
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very downhill, ye number nine on
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it just follow the ground and the
ball just so. I hit it and

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it disappeared because it's you know,
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when I finally saw it again,
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right. That might have been number
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that way, is excuse me not? Number six? Number five um is

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also kind of designed that way as
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and rolls down to where the green
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off that tea box, and the
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pulled the putter and put from the
team because it's you know, again,

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it's about embracing the links conditions,
and the preserve is a great place to

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get acclimated to the tight lies.
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some out there as well, so
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together as a group of eight and
being able to walk and catch up and

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you know, get amped up and
excited about the trip as a whole.

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It's a great place to begin.
Awesome for people who don't know, and

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there are probably many. Give me
a little geographical lesson of where Banded Dunes

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is, sure, Yeah, So
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The one oh one runs up and
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way from the border of Canada down
into Mexico, and we're right there off

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the one oh one, about two
hours north of the California Oregon border in

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the sense of some familiar locations in
the state. From Portland, we're about

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four and a half hours, you
know, open guests that that fly into

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Portland and then make the commute down
from Portland then Eugene, which is about

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two to two and a half hours
away, so a little bit. Eugene

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is the home of the University of
Work. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,

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for all those Duck fans out there. Um, yeah, Eugene is just

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you know, kind of slightly north
and obviously east, about two and a

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half hours. There's also guests that'll
fly into Medford, which is another kind

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of more regional airport like Eugene and
and Medford have limited options in comparison to

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Portland, U, but like those
are the regional destinations where you could find

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more NonStop flights from a number of
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Medford's about i'd say, about another
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from from Bandon as well. And
then our closest airport is in the town

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of North Bend. That airport code
is OTA each and North be It's about

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thirty five forty minutes north of Bandon
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right up the one on one,
So we're we're in a transient area.

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We're about ten or fifteen minutes north
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location, you know that I'm talking
In the town Abandoned specifically, there's probably

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five to six thousand full time residents
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probably twenty to twenty five thousand that
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area. And then in the town
of Cokio where I live, which is

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about fifteen minutes east of where the
resort is. It's another small town similar

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to Bandon. It's about four or
five thousand people. So yeah, very

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remote location. Yeah, and we're
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um, do you have a sense
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of questionnaires and things with you with
your guests. Are most of the people

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who come to Abandon West Coast based. Are We definitely bill see ourselves as

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a regional destination, you know,
with a majority of our guests coming from

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Washington, Oregon, in the state
of California, it's absolutely a global destination

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as well. We've seen, you
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sports editor actually up for the newspaper
of the World out of Coos Bay,

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but he now works for our team
on our guest services team. He's been

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tracking how many different guests are coming
from different states, and it always amazes

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me how quickly he tells me.
He starts to tally again and we hit

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all fifty states and X number of
days. So people are coming in from

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everywhere. And then in the summer
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global destination. I think, just
even traveling to the West Coast and seeing

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the Oregon coast, which is just
all inspiring in general. Golfer now golf

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so there's a lot of people traveling
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the state of Oregon in general in
the winter months when it's a little more

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unpredictable with the weather and the you
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got a lot more rain over the
winter months than we do in the summer,

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and our traffic is much more regional
the winter months. People that have

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acclimated to it and get it,
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I always thought it just rained every
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would still think that if I lived
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everybody who's acclimated to it in the
winter months, those are are typically the

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guests that we see are people that
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get. All right, we're gonna
so much more to discuss and unpack here.

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We'll be right back. So what
is the best time of year to

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come to Bandon for weatherwise? So
you make sure it's gonna be dry,

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it's gonna be windy, I'm assuming
all year long, but as far as

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staying dry, maybe get some nice
days without wind. What would you suggest.

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Yeah, you know, the experience
certainly changes with the weather. The

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cost also changes in relation to that
weather. So you can come in the

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middle of the winter, you come
in December and January, and the golf

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rates our one hundred dollars for a
round of golf, whereas they're upwards of

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three hundred dollars in the summer months
July through kind of early October. So

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you know, it kind of depends
upon the balancing act of of what you're

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looking for. If we're talking just
specifically weather, A lot of people rave

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about the weather in September and kind
of early October. That's always been a

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very popular stretch. We get two
seasons. You get the wind that comes

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from the north, the prevailing breeze. In the summertime. We're very,

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very rarely going to have rain.
We're very rarely going to have any sort

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of thunderstorms or anythings, any type
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and that's going to burn off by
midday and it's going to get windy in

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the afternoon, and our average highs
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in the heart of the heart of
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that, once we get to about
late October, you know, early November

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for sure, that's when the storms
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prevailing wind from the north flip and
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that's pretty good tell tell that we're
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again the price just kind of dropped
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unpredictable. And I've played golf in
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degrees and no wind, you know, and then I've I've played golf and

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you know, almost every month where
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it's it's tough to say, you
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going to get rained in the summer
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of the year are probably those secret
days that happened in the winter wind the

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wind lies down, so it's not
a storm blowing through and you get just

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some absolutely gorgeous weather and the temperature
range like from the winter months to the

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summer months for the coastal region doesn't
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our highs in our highs in the
winter are probably fifty fifty five, but

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then it'll get up to about sixty
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and then the windy season. Never
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being a northern California guy, it

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was. It was a pretty crazy
winner for us. But yeah, in

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the sixteen years i've been here,
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times a before. It's very very
rare to ge gets now. So you

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mentioned I'm not going to ask specific
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changes depending on the season. Um, but what about if you're playing thirty

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six holes or there a cost break
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to be playing the same how does
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whatever the rack rate would be for
that specific month. If you played two

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rounds in a day, your second
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a replay rate, so that is
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rate was. Again, that change
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good for any golf course that you
would want to play here at the resort.

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It's not like you have to replay
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in the morning. So you can
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Banded in the afternoon, and your
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you played that morning. That replay
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heading into the long stime of the
year right here in Tune, that replay

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rate is good for as much golf
as you get in. So if you

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want to play fifty four holes in
a day and you know you got the

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bug to go back out, your
third round would be free. And gosh

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here in the summer solstice, we
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of the year, we always have
about one hundred and forty golfers that come

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out and play seventy two holes in
one day and oh my gosh, yeah,

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that group they all get one hundred
dollars back for their fourth round.

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That's a part of that's a part
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So it's pretty neat. But they've
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the morning to get in that many
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they're averaging about a three hour pace. So it's um wow. You know,

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as as I think of everybody that
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that's like a completely different breed of
golf nut. Yes, it is,

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of course it is um. And
there's no golf carts, Am I correct?

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Yeah, we do have carts for
for guests that are visiting with a permanent

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disability defined by the ADA, the
Americans with Disabilities Act, so you know

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that that option is there for those, um that would absolutely need a part.

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But everybody here is they kind of
know what they're getting into as far

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as going out there and walking.
And we've got an amazing caddy program with

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close to about three hundred and fifty
almost four hundred caddies. A lot of

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our guests take caddies, um,
you know, for their rounds, but

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you certainly can carry your own clubs, and we have trolleys or what we

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refer to as a brickshaws here as
all that that guess can use. Oh

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okay, okay, um, but
you guys don't have and we'll talk more

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about the accommodations, but you don't
really have the accommodations to accommodate if y

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um, the PGA a PGA tour
event, right, I mean that requires

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TV trucks and it and you were
so remote. Um, I can't.

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Yeah, it would be a simple
task. Yeah, you know, it's

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it's certainly not a simple task.
There's a lot of legistics that come with

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that. When you know, we
we do have a long term partnership with

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the USGA. So we've got twenty
um, excuse me, thirteen USCA Championships

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coming to the South Coast over the
next twenty three years. Um. We

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just had the US Amateur which was
a televised event in twenty twenty. Um.

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Mister Kaiser, our founder and you
know the Kaiser family in general passionate

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about supporting the amateur game. So
I don't foresee us hosting ANYPGA Tour events

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or LPGA Tour events. But we're
certainly very excited to be hosting all of

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the the nation in the world's best
amateur championship events, where our next one

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is going to be the twenty twenty
five US Women's Amateur, which will again

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be televised Austen. Yeah, it
doesn't doesn't bring in the crowds, and

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you know, as far as again
to your point, like the infrastructure of

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our local towns and how small and
kind of remote the South Coast is makes

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it really tough to imagine tens of
thousands of people being able to come in

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and an experience an event like that. But yeah, the events that we've

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hosted that NPC and Fox Sports previously
have been a part of UM have just

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been amazing events. And people certainly
don't get to watch bandit on TV very

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often, so the viewership numbers and
you know, like just the overall engagement

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of people watching those events have been
quite impressive. Well, my younger son,

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who's a golfer UM, he comes
on an annual basis with a group

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of twenty eight guys amazing and they
spend a tremendous amount of money at your

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house and take over everything that they
can. It's pretty amazing. So what

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are the accommodations for those of us
who are staying on the property. Yeah,

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yeah, So there's there's two hundred
ten rooms on property. There's anywhere

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from single king rooms that are in
the main lodge, which was the first

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building to be built back in the
early two thousands, to four bedroom,

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four bath growth cottages that you know, are like kind of set up perfectly

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for that foursome that's going to come
in with a common area and a small

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little um, you know, like
kitchen head and everybody has their own private

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room and their own private bathroom and
kind of the central spot. So the

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growth cottages are extremely nice. Our
newest accommodations on property are the Round Lake

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lodges, which there's twenty four new
rooms. They're just built within the past

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two years. There's eight single kings
that are in there and then sixteen double

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queens and as far as the actual
footprint of those rooms, there are our

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biggest rooms on property. They're kind
of like tucked in between the sixth Green

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abandoned trails and then Round Lake itself. There's when you play trails, you

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go from six to seven and you
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separates the resort east and west,
and when you make that transition on trails,

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the new Roundlake lodges sit kind of
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Awesome. Well, I don't I'm
not sure. I didn't make these

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reservations, but I'm hoping we have
one of those cottage or two of those

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cottages. That would be amazing.
But we made these reservations over a year

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ago. I mean, what's the
demand and how far in advance did people

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have to make the reservations. Yeah. Yeah, the demand is is through

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the roof right now. I mean, golf is just as a industry is

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booming. It was somewhat of a
perfect storm for us with um, you

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know, obviously just a game and
in the industry was in an amazing opportunity

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coming through COVID and out of COVID, with being able to provide people an

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opportunity to separate and get outside and
and still be active while participating and you

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know, spending time with others.
So so the game of golf just coming

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through a COVID was and still is
booming. And then we had on top

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of that, we had our we
opened the Sheep Ranch in June of twenty

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twenty, you know, and then
in August of twenty twenty, we had

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the US Amateur, which really people
were starving for watching sports on TV and

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having things to kind of consume,
and you know, the US Amateshire being

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one of the only events that's able
to stay, stay open and and be

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played. Um, you know,
all of that kind of just turned into

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this melting pot of just an amazing
and you know, also an insane amount

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of demand. So yeah, we
have booked out through right now the end

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of October twenty twenty four. Um, oh my goodness, and we're recording

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this in the beginning of June of
twenty twenty three, so you've got like

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seventeen eighteen months already booked. Yeah. As far as room reservations on property,

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you know, there's there's a couple
of different ways to experience the resort.

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then pay an off property rate for

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your rounds of golf, so there's
still availability there. And then but as

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far as I guess what we would
call like the full long abandoned experience of

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coming to the property, staying on
property, being able to use our shuttle

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services, and traveling to and from
your rooms to all the different restaurant outlets

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and all the different golf courses and
like being on campus the entire time.

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Yeah, that that experience is currently
sold out through the end of October twenty

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twenty four. Listen. I was
hoping to just make this two quick segments

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so that we can talk about golf
with Kevin two. But I'm not done

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with you, So we're going to
take another break and we're going to come

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back for one more segment. All
right. So we've talked about staying overnight

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and the various options that you have
to sleep there or sleep off property.

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What about food restaurants? What do
you offer there? And for the people

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in cottage who have a kitchenette,
where can they go shopping? Yeah,

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yeah, no doubt. Um.
In the sense of cooking your own food

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on property, not good options there. Um, it's more of the basics

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and that are in the room.
But there's a restaurant. Yeah. And

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in the sense of you're gonna go
to one of our restaurants for breakfast,

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Um, that's all property. But
making yourself a you know, a cup

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of coffee or having a refrigerator put
some leftovers and stuff like that. Um,

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those types of options are are in
the room. UM. We're currently

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under construction. We're building a brand
new fitting beverage oallet over at Old McDonald

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which is going to be called Ghostree
Grill. UM. We currently have a

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steakhouse concept menu UM at the restaurant
called The Forge in the main lodge,

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so we're gonna be transitioning the steakhouse
concept to Ghostrie Grill. And it's UM.

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Building is just it's looking beautiful.
It's coming together really nicely. It

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should be open sometime later on this
summer. We're getting very close there.

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UM. But that's that's going to
be an amazing upgrade in the sense of

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just more space and more dining options
on property. UM. At the main

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hub where Banded Dunes is at,
in the main Lodge and the Bandon Dians

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Clubhouse, you've got two different dining
options there. You've got the main lodge

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which is the Forge as well as
the Tuft of Puffing, and then just

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down a breezeway you've got McKees Pub, which is kind of your hearty pub

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food. UM. You know,
they're both McKees is open for dinner.

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Specifically the restaurant, the Tufted Puffing
is open for breakfast and lunch. And

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then the Forge is the dinner dinner
concept of the steakhouse. That's um that's

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currently being operated there in the main
lodge. But then you also have at

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Pacific Dunes, You've got Pacific Rill, which is open for breakfast, lunch,

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and dinner. You've got Trails in
the same same situation breakfast, lunch,

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and dinner. Trails is right now
just doing private dinners, but they

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typically are open full time for dinner
service as well. We opened up a

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new food truck up at the Practice
Center which is called Charlotte's. So I

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would certainly suggest on your trip coming
up here to to check out and experience

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Charlotte's. It's open from the morning
hours until four pm. UM smoked barbecue.

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Um. You can get you know, like pulled pork barbecue burritos.

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For the morning, you can get
tacos, and you know, for lunch

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time frame, you can you can
get like just a platter of you know,

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all of your favorite barbecue stuff and
corn bread. And Charlotte's is a

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new place that's up there at the
Practice Center that will look and feel a

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little different than than when you were
last there. And yeah, even up

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that Sheet branch. You know,
there's there's not a dinner um concept at

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the Sheet branch, but you have
breakfast and lunch that's offered up there at

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the Sheet branch as well. So
typically any golf course that you're playing at

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there's a fit of average option as
well. Well, I'm kind of a

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pain in the butt kind of guy
because one, I don't drink caffeine,

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so I drink decaf coffee. Is
West Coast, Yeah, I would think

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that West Coast. You know,
you're you're still in the shadow of Starbucks.

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But also I'm I'm not a pure
vegetarian vegan, but I'm a fish

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eater. And you've mentioned pork and
barbecue and steak and none of that's on

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my diet. Well, I still
be able to eat more, and there

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there are plenty of fish options as
well. Absolutely good. Yeah, I

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go hunt out the Pokey bowl at
Trails for lunch. Oh I'm in Yeah,

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you'll love that. M Nathan and
our offense. That's one of his

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go toos every time we go up
there and eat. You've got a number

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of amazing fish options that are in
the forge at that main steakhouse concept.

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Um there's vegetarian options as well.
Our chefs have been doing a really good

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job of kind of change with the
times as like more and more people are

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making those sets requests. So that's
that's very cool. You have plenty of

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plenty here, Freddy, you're not
gonna go starving. Good, Oh good.

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I'm glad here it because I'm gonna
be walking a lot. Yeah,

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those days. Ninety holes in three
days, there's a lot of walking.

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So we're playing all five courses over
the three days that we're playing Preserve when

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we arrive and then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, we'll be playing over ninety

406
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:36,960
holes. So let's just do a
quick overview of each of the courses.

407
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,119
Um, starting off bandon Dunes.
We're playing Monday morning. We're playing band

408
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:47,160
and Dunes. Yeah. David McClay
get designed the first course created in in

409
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,119
nineteen ninety nine. Um, amazing
walk you know you get out, Um,

410
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,680
you start heading out towards the ocean
on three and four. Um,

411
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:01,319
there's been some change just to it
over the recent years. There's been some

412
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:07,359
bunkers added on eight, there's been
some bunkers taken away on eleven and seventeens,

413
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:12,400
some little tweaks that that DMK was
making like kind of an anticipation of

414
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,519
the USAM. It's in grade shape. Is definitely one of my favorite favorite

415
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:21,920
walks on property. And when you
get to sixteen, which is probably one

416
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:28,480
of the most like photogenic holes on
the entire property. Yeah, it's that's

417
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:34,200
since a place really comes in when
you play sixteen abandon all right, and

418
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,480
then in the afternoon we're playing Banned
in Trails. Great afternoon course. Yeah,

419
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:44,119
a lot of people, a lot
of people request to play Trails in

420
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,559
the afternoon, usually getting those summer
wins are coming up in the afternoon.

421
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:55,079
Trails is still very lenksy golf course, but like it's kind of a you

422
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:59,480
know, it's a it's an authentic
links course that plays more in like a

423
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:04,000
part of the setting. So you'll
start the first and second holes and you're

424
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:06,680
in the dunes, and then once
you get into three, you start to

425
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:12,799
be surrounded by the like the coastal
pines and you know, the firs and

426
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,440
just like the evergreen forest that's right
along the eastern side of the resort.

427
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:22,720
So Trails is there's there's two courses, Trails and Old McDonald that go east

428
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,400
of that main dune that I was
talking about with Round Lake, And once

429
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,839
you get out past six and seven
on trails and you get into that area,

430
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,200
it's it's almost like it says own
little microclimate. You get a little

431
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,039
bit more protected from the wind,
feels a little bit warmer, and a

432
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:42,440
lot of people like to play trails
in the afternoon in order to dodge one

433
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,480
afternoon with the wind, okay,
and then the next morning. Old McDonald

434
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:52,279
so all of the courses are link
style courses, right basically, it's what

435
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,480
the land provided. You guys just
kind of shaped things, but you didn't

436
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,720
redesign or yeah. Yeah, very
minimalistic in general. Um, you know,

437
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:07,480
minimalism architecture is something that you hear
kind of um as a common thread

438
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,599
with the resort um Corn french Off
built Trails by the way, and Trails

439
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:19,840
was built and opened in two thousand
and five. Old McDonald is a tribute

440
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,960
course to CB McDonald. So the
holes aren't meant to be replicas. There

441
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,760
are more so dope's stance and take
on what he felt like CB McDonald would

442
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,400
have done with that landscape. But
a lot of the templated holes that we've

443
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,320
all come to know and play from
the British isles at CB brought over and

444
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,719
instilled in all of his courses are
out there. You know, you've got

445
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,159
the Eden, you've got the hogs
Back, you've got the long and the

446
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:57,480
Short and the Brits and you're kind
of taking a walk, you know,

447
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,800
walk back in time. When you're
playing Old mcdonal opened, you'll pass by

448
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,239
the ghost tree when you walk up
the ridge on number three, which is

449
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:10,800
the ghost tree. Yeah, it's
a it's an iconic tree. Um,

450
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:17,639
it's an old port Orford cedar that's
probably been just it's hanging on for dear

451
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,199
life right now, but it's it's
certainly it's old and it's just this iconic

452
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,360
tree that you you have to aim
right at to hit out over that ridge.

453
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,760
And then once you come up to
the ridge on the top of number

454
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,559
three on Old McDonald, you're kind
of presented with what the day is going

455
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:38,119
to look like. Um, So
there's a lot of this isn't amazing lookouts

456
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:42,239
on Old McDonald where you can almost
kind of see the entire golf course that

457
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,119
you're going to be playing. And
you know, the first and second hole

458
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,480
on Old McDonald play to the east, of that same spine, that ridge

459
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,599
that I was telling you about,
and you play. You actually play up

460
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,400
and over it on number three,
just past the ghost tree. So I'm

461
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,239
sure you'll take a picture of the
ghost tree. It's it's almost a given.

462
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,800
If it's the first time playing that
golf course, you're gonna do it

463
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,320
awesome. Actually I did play Old
McDonald last time I was there, Okay,

464
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,000
I do remember that. I don't
remember which hole it was. It

465
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:12,079
was a part of three. It
was one hundred and sixty yards into the

466
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:15,679
wind and I had to hit a
driver and it still didn't reach the wind

467
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:21,159
was so strong. Yeah, I'm
looking forward to that. Okay. Then

468
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,800
the afternoon, second day, we're
playing Pacific Dunes. Pacific Dunes in the

469
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:30,199
afternoon is going to be a test. It's the shortest force a property,

470
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:35,679
but it's what I feel like.
It's one of the Trigg air course.

471
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,840
It was the least the one that
benches me the most. It's a Tom

472
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:45,000
Dipe design, second course to be
built in two thousand and one, meant

473
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,239
to be and look and feel very
rugged. You know, you're not gonna

474
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,079
see a bunker that that feels like
it was shaped by man. As much

475
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:57,079
as it feels like, it's probably
more shaped by nature, so it's it's

476
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:00,159
got a very natural kind of rugged
look and feel to it. The greens

477
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:04,119
are the smallest on property, which
is why I feel like in the afternoon

478
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,760
on Pacific brought me one of the
tougher tests, just because there's a smaller

479
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:14,159
target to play from and when the
wind whips up, it's definitely a stern

480
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:19,920
test, even though it's the shortest
of all courses. And then we finish

481
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,199
up on the Wednesday late morning,
we're playing a Sheep Ranch, which I'm

482
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:28,639
not familiar with at all. Yeah, Yeah, So sheep Branch has a

483
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:34,639
long history. There's you know,
it opened as an official eighteen hole routing

484
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,960
and that's a part of a resort
back in twenty twenty. But even prior

485
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:43,920
to that, back in two thousand
and one, when Pacific opened, Dope

486
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:50,360
and his construction team had gone over
to where the Sheep Ranch property was and

487
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,599
it had designed thirteen different green sites, and the Sheep Ranch for many,

488
00:37:54,639 --> 00:38:01,199
many years is this mysterious kind of
golf landscape where if you knew who to

489
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,920
ask and you knew how to get
onto it, you could talk to them

490
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,239
the caretaker of the property, and
you could get out there and you could

491
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,639
play, but there was no official
routing, and you just kind of played

492
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:16,440
it from wherever you teed off from
to whichever green you wanted to play.

493
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:21,880
And there was just one group that
was out there every day, mister Kaiser

494
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:27,559
and then his initial um, you
know, college roommate and also a business

495
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:31,519
partner in the recycled green paper industry, Phil Freeman, owned that property with

496
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:36,440
him fifty fifty and Phil and mister
Kaiser, you know, back in two

497
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,960
thousand, say, late twenty eighteen, early twenty nineteen, decided it's like,

498
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:45,280
okay, it's time to formalize the
Sheep Ranch as you know, official

499
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,639
eighteen old routing. Let's make it
open to the public. Let's make it

500
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:53,239
a part of the resort experience that
people can experience that he's a property.

501
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:59,519
Because there's a there's a spot it's
called five mile point when you play the

502
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,360
Sheep Ranch, which is five miles
from the mouth of the Coquille River,

503
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,360
which you'd be able to stand off
five mile point and look all the way

504
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,519
down the coast to the south to
the town abandoned and so basically a two

505
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:16,440
hundred and seventy degree view of looking
north and south down the ocean. It's

506
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:22,239
just an absolutely iconic spot. There's
two greens that play into that area that

507
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,960
are connected to both part threes,
the third in the sixteen pole. And

508
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,320
yeah, as far as visuals of
seeing the ocean and just be smacked in

509
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,079
the face by it, you know, there's ocean views on all eighteen holes

510
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:38,840
of the Sheep Ranch, and then
nine of the green sites are right on

511
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,960
the cliffs. So you know,
if you're coming here to get the ocean

512
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:46,920
views, you're going to play the
Sheep Ranch. That's as good as it

513
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:54,079
gets. Wow, wow, amazing, And playing there in late morning early

514
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:59,719
afternoon is gonna you know, it's
just got to kind of count for the

515
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,000
weather. No matter what it's,
it's it's certainly one of the windier spots

516
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,400
um you know, compared to seeing
it to trails. You yeah, we're

517
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:13,199
apples and oranges there, but yeah, yeah, it's it's it's out there,

518
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,360
you know, it's right out there
kind of in five mile point.

519
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:22,440
My strongest memory, yeah, my
strongest memory of ten years ago was it

520
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,920
felt like for four hours straight there
were two leaf blowers sitting on my shoulders

521
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,039
pointing right into my ears on either
side and just blowing a full blasts.

522
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:35,519
It's like all I could remember is
the sound of the wind NonStop. So

523
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:40,320
I've been just trying to psych myself
up for this. Um. You mentioned

524
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,960
mister Kaiser the owner, and Recycled
Paper Products was his company. My brother

525
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:49,320
who's a tennis player, not a
golfer, but he worked for He was

526
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,679
a salesman for Recycled Paper Products years
ago, amazing ago. So wow.

527
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:59,039
Yeah, so that connection is there. Um, So what's the future of

528
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:05,119
the property and are there more courses
coming, more practice facilities? What's going

529
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:08,280
on there? Yeah? So right
now, we're currently under construction for the

530
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:15,199
new Part three course, which is
again just just souf abandoned preserve. Still

531
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,239
finalizing a name there, but that
should The seating for it is going to

532
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:29,000
start sometime this week, and then
we'll be moving towards potentially preview play preview

533
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,360
play rounds later on this fall for
a short window and then an official brand

534
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,440
opening at some point next year.
You know, it'll be a growing time

535
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:43,280
period. But the team of broad
Whitman, Dave Axelin, and Keith Cutton

536
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,480
are what kind of called my two
Black Design Team, so they're going to

537
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:53,320
be the architects designing the course.
Than just absolute pleasure to work with so

538
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:59,800
far. And they formalized their partnership
back with the Nest at Cabot Cape Britain.

539
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:06,320
And they have a long, long
history of building amazing golf courses and

540
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,400
being part of some tight circles that
include the likes of Pete Die and the

541
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,280
Core and Crunchhall team and um,
they've been around the Black They're they're quite

542
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:21,880
seasoned. M. Dave Axellent worked
on sand Hills and um, yeah and

543
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,199
keep this, you know, I've
been all over around. They're they're based

544
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:30,000
out of Canada, so I think
a lot of people up and up in

545
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,960
Canada really resonate with the name.
And we're looking forward to to help and

546
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:36,199
share, you know, the great
work that they can do. When we

547
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:39,559
open up that golf course next year, um, Ghostry Grill, you know,

548
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:44,440
that's another brand new amenity as well. And then I think when we

549
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:47,679
have some more room for people to
spread out in the sense of a more

550
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,679
golf which feels crazy to say,
but you know, with five golf courses

551
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,960
and a thirteen whole part three course, and then a nineteen whole party three

552
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:59,880
course, we'll have the opportunity to
spread people out a little bit more.

553
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,800
And the same thing with building the
largest food and beverage oulet on property.

554
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,679
When the opportunity to spread people out
a little bit more, and you'll need

555
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,519
more rooms, and then we'll probably
be building some more rooms. So that

556
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:16,000
will be the next transition towards making
sure that we continue to maintain the experience

557
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:22,119
that people have come to love for
the past twenty five years, abandoned while

558
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:25,920
still growing responsibly and making sure that
you know, people are coming here and

559
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,679
playing quick round of golf and enjoying
it for what it's always been. When

560
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:36,039
I was there last, I have
this vague recollection that there was construction going

561
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:39,440
on on an eighteen whole putting course. It did that ever happen? It

562
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:43,639
did happen. Yeah, that's just
so much to talk about around here.

563
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:49,360
It's sometimes it's just easy to forget
something. But that's called the pabole Lunchabole,

564
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:55,239
which is just off the patio of
the Pacific Rill So it m you've

565
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,920
got the putting green for Pacific Dunes
and the extension of what now is the

566
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:06,480
punch bowls a two and a half
acre putting green and every afternoon we set

567
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:10,840
up a eighteen whole routing that you
can put around. Each day the routing

568
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,159
changes and it's a it's a fun
place to kind of go and settle a

569
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:19,960
bet or you know, if you've
got some time to kill before dinner reservations,

570
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,320
you can go over there. There's
a bar call the tap in,

571
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:29,000
which is connected right there to it
each tea for all the holes that are

572
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,920
designed to have a little drink stand. So it's a it's a very casual,

573
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:38,000
fun spot that usually gets people putting
a holler and about making a long

574
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:44,000
put awesome. Yeah, well,
I was going to ask about the practice

575
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,119
facility, but you know what,
I think we're gonna I'll talk about that

576
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:52,159
with Kevin and when we come back. But I appreciate you hanging out,

577
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,480
and I appreciate the audience hanging out
because we got a lot more to come,

578
00:44:55,519 --> 00:45:00,000
because we're going to talk to the
director of instruction, Kevin Phillips,

579
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,400
right after we take one more break. Michael, it was great to talk

580
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,639
to you. I'll look forward to
seeing you this week. Leisure. We'll

581
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:15,960
see you soon. Fred. Welcome
to the Golf Smart Podcast. Kevin,

582
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:20,039
Hey, I appreciate you having me
on here. Fred looking forward to it,

583
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,119
Thank you very much. So we
just had a great conversation with Michael

584
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:30,280
getting a background Abandoned Dunes and getting
information about the courses, about the property,

585
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:36,480
about the accommodations, the history of
it. But let's now that we

586
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:39,480
have the director of instruction for the
golf course. Congratulations on that gig.

587
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:45,679
Thank you. I appreciate. We
arrive on Sunday, late Sunday afternoon and

588
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,280
we've signed up to do the Links
Lessons clinic with you. Yeah, tell

589
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,880
me about that. What is the
Links Lessons Clinic? So what we try

590
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:59,519
to do is essentially the Links Lessons
have been going on for quite a while.

591
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,719
Actor instruction, Grant Rogers Um from
day one. Who you were?

592
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,239
You were familiar with UM? So
he started it actually interviewed him. Yeah,

593
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,639
yeah, he started a while back. I think it's a it's a

594
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:15,960
great UM feature for the resort.
On kind of like what we've talked about

595
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,360
before is how how can you play
better golf at at Bannon Dunes? How

596
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,320
can you play better golf at a
golf trip that you've been you know,

597
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:24,760
chomping at the bit waiting for for
for eighteen months. So really what we

598
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:31,280
try to do is put together scenarios
of situations on the golf course that not

599
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:37,039
a lot of people or golfers UH
might be in on a day to day

600
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:39,280
basis on other parts of the country. So the three topics that that we

601
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:45,199
cover UM, you know, for
for a link specific style golf course is

602
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:50,159
um you know, greenside bunker shots, which I think are very important at

603
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:52,719
Bannon Dunes because having the soft sandy
soil there's a lot of sand. You've

604
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:58,639
been here before, UM, and
putting themselves in scenarios of what they might

605
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:00,880
find on our golf course. So
greenside bunker shots, which I think are

606
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,119
very important. One thing that I
always tell tell groups whenever they leave as

607
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,639
well is you know, dedicate some
time, dedicate some time there's been five

608
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,480
ten minutes on on on bunker play
green side bunker play, because there might

609
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:15,800
be a time on the on the
golf course, whether it's here, whether

610
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,400
it's somewhere else where you might end
up in a bunker. And trying to

611
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,599
simplify that approach to where you can
have some confidence of seeing your ball in

612
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:25,639
a bunker and feel good about possibly
walking away with not as big as number

613
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,920
UM. And then the second station
we kind of cover that thirty five to

614
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:37,280
fifty yard UM you know, uneven
lie tight lie, firm turf, kind

615
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,000
of bump and run chip shot UM, you know, into a you know,

616
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:45,639
an undulated green or anything like that. Talking about percentages and we'll go

617
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:49,320
more into that. And then number
three we talk about long lag putting and

618
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,840
giving some putting tips. We have
some of the largest green complexes in North

619
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,360
America UM as you may know Old
McDonald our golf course. Old McDonald's actually

620
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,719
combined u square footage and square acres
is the largest green complex UM in North

621
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:08,079
America. So those three areas I
have found that it's it's very good to

622
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:12,840
focus on because it can be a
position that you may end up on on

623
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,440
one of our golf courses. UM. And like I mentioned, I kind

624
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,800
of go over you know an an
eighteen hole round of golf. You know,

625
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,880
it is one it can be a
long round. And when we think

626
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,119
of eighteen holes, we think of
playing and hitting our best shots and playing

627
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,760
the best golf for eighteen holes,
and realistically out here is we're not going

628
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,559
to have a perfectly flat lie,
there's not going to be any wind,

629
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,360
there's there's going to be uneven lies. It's not necessarily target golf out here.

630
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:45,519
So we try to stress being creative
with your golf bag to essentially achieve

631
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:50,960
a better result or a higher percentage
shot selection, a higher percentage club selection.

632
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,000
And it's more it's more about,
you know, controlling the golf ball

633
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:58,920
directionally out here. It's not necessarily
about trying to get the golf ball up

634
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,280
in the air to a certain distance
of land by the golf hole. Is

635
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:06,960
you can you can get creative with
your golf bag to think more directionally on

636
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:10,480
certain golf holes or situations that you
might find yourself in where you don't have

637
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:15,639
a one hundred yard wedge in from
a flatline with no wind, and thinking

638
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:20,800
more about target golf. So we
try to stretch direction and thought processes on

639
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,679
how we can maneuver the golf ball
in a more efficient way, a higher

640
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:27,599
percentage of way around our golf courses. Um So try to focus on those

641
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:29,920
three areas. I mean, there's
always going to be a time to focus

642
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,599
on swea mechanics, trying to get
better hit the ball, further hit the

643
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:37,000
ball, straighter um and if we
can do that a higher majority time of

644
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:40,840
through the golf round, if we
can, if we can hit the ball

645
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,679
better for let's say nine of eighteen
holes on a golf course, where we

646
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,079
hit a fairway, we hit a
green, But then what do we do

647
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:50,000
with those other nine of eighteen holes
where we end up in situations that might

648
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:52,760
not be so favorable. And that's
what we really try to stress is how

649
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,079
we can be creative with our golf
bag when the elements aren't aren't so favorable.

650
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,239
And I think that helps a lot
of people one shoot better scores.

651
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,760
And that's ultimately what we want.
We wanted to play their best golf and

652
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,119
have a memorable trip and break a
benchmark that they've never broken before at one

653
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,079
of our golf courses. I mean, there's nothing like going home until telling

654
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,239
your friends, you know, I
just I just broke eighty for the first

655
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,280
time, or just broke eighty five
for the first time, without necessarily feeling

656
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,880
like you just figured out the perfect
golf swing. It's about maneuvering the golf

657
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,960
ball around our resort style golf courses
in a much more efficient and higher percentage

658
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,960
way, and it seems to resonate
a lot with a lot of people for

659
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:29,519
the first time. There's a lot
of people guests that have come here.

660
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:31,840
They keep coming back every single year, so they kind of get a better

661
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,880
understanding. But especially when guys have
only been here, you know, one

662
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,719
or two times, may have not
have played all five golf courses, and

663
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:44,559
it can be their first trip and
not necessarily understanding you know, what link

664
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:47,280
style golf is to them, and
so we try to help resonate that with

665
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:52,159
allowing them to be creative with their
golf back to essentially shoot lower scores,

666
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,960
and that's ultimately what we want.
You've used the word creative a lot,

667
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:01,840
Yeah, just in your first answer. Yeah, And I've I've recently come

668
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:10,519
to this realization about how, especially
on the short game, creativity really comes

669
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:16,639
into play. And that means practicing
shots that you don't always do. How

670
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:20,719
you know, like you could take
a full swing seven iron and maybe hit

671
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,239
it one hundred and fifty yards,
but if you have to hit it under

672
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,320
a tree, right, you have
to keep the ball low. How far

673
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,119
do you hit it that way?
Right? Or if you've got a shot

674
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:36,199
that's you're only twenty five thirty yards
off the green and the flags in the

675
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,159
back, you don't want to try
to do pinseeking on that. And you

676
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:44,239
know, maybe if if in fact
the flags in the back, and you

677
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,280
don't necessarily want to fly it and
try to get it to stop because most

678
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,039
of us can't do that. So
it's how much can you hit it low

679
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:55,960
and let it get to the front
of the green and roll out right right?

680
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:02,199
Yeah, it's you know, again, after doing these interviews now for

681
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:07,960
eighteen years, there's so many nuances
that I'm just starting to understand and discover.

682
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:15,000
Why do you say there's no target
golf going on? Abandoned dudes?

683
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:20,199
Well, to me, um,
you know, thinking about target golf,

684
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,880
and one of the things that I
stress and a lot of our group clinics

685
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:30,880
is, you know, we're so
in as players were so infatuated by the

686
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,000
distance that the golf ball goes in
the air. You know, if you

687
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:39,320
if you're if your pitching wedge goes
one hundred and thirty yards and you're playing

688
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:45,360
with a severe wind and your ball's
on a down slope where it's an uneven

689
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,039
lie, that pitching wedge probably isn't
going to go the full one hundred and

690
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,440
thirty yards, So taking a look
at everything that can essentially affect a golf

691
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:59,840
shot, which could be the lie, your stance, the wind, all

692
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:04,159
those things play a factor in the
result of the golf shot. And so

693
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,800
to me, and whenever I focus
on on, you know, being more

694
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,559
directional, how do you keep the
ball in control whenever there is wind,

695
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:15,679
when there's uneven fairways? And that's
what I like to focus on more.

696
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,360
And one one thing that always comes
up in every single group clinic that I

697
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,920
do, And like I mentioned the
three stations, you know, we only

698
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,440
go back to let's say forty five
to fifty yards, and you know that

699
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,000
I get a lot of questions a
lot of time, how do you how

700
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:32,559
do you play when when whenever there's
a lot of wind, And I say,

701
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:36,639
it's not it's not just not just
the wind out here, right,

702
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,719
There's a lot to do with the
with the uneven lies. And for me,

703
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,960
I always say is as players,
we tend to lean towards trying to

704
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,199
overpower the wind. And and one
scenario that that I like to use,

705
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,880
and I'll go into this a little
bit more, but let's let's just say,

706
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:53,400
you know, use your range finder
and you know it's one hundred,

707
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:58,039
it's one hundred yards, and you
think it's playing one twenty five or one

708
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:04,599
thirty, right it's into the wind. We naturally have that yardage noted to

709
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,159
a certain club and and we try
to get that full distance out of that

710
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:10,920
club. So if it's one hundred
playing one thirty, and your pitching wedge

711
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,760
goes one hundred and thirty yards,
we try to get that full one hundred

712
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:22,159
and thirty yards of carry of the
golf ball in the air that distance while

713
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:25,559
also trying to keep it low into
the wind, while trying to control it.

714
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:29,480
We're trying to get the full one
hundred and thirty yards out of that

715
00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:31,599
club while also changing let's say,
if it's on a downslope or the balls

716
00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:35,840
below your feet, it's a very
difficult golf shower. Most likely we're not

717
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,199
going to get that full one hundred
and thirty yards and that ball is in

718
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,519
the air being affected by the wind. Much more so to me, whenever

719
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,840
I'm playing with with a lot of
wind, or when players are playing a

720
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,760
lot of wind, that tend to
have more success is focusing more on the

721
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,639
direction of the golf ball out here
right, So to me, that that's

722
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:59,039
where I focus on more is in
direction, and I tell people is you

723
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:00,880
know, club up and less right. I mean, when it's breezy,

724
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,519
swing easy. We hear that term
a lot, and I felt like that

725
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:07,360
has helped a lot a lot of
players because I've seen, you know,

726
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:13,920
a lot of really well struck golf
balls end up in fairly bad areas because

727
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,320
we're trying to get that full distance
out of that club based on how far

728
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,280
away we are from the flag and
it's up in the air for a longer

729
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,639
amount of time, where we can
take a little bit more club, which

730
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,920
ultimately that decreases the loft. All
right, we take let's say a pitching

731
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,320
layers. Maybe let's take an eight
iron that's already decreasing you know, six

732
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,400
to seven degrees of loft, and
that's automatically keeping it low or swinging it

733
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,800
easier where we're not having a steep
angle of attack. That's decreasing spin.

734
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,599
That's how we help control the golf
ball into the wind. Where amateurs can

735
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:49,320
struggle of flighting a golf ball into
the wind because we tend to think we

736
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,400
have to put it in the back
of our stance and hit it down and

737
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,119
close the club face. Well,
when we use some of those high lofted

738
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,280
clubs, when we get within a
hundred yards, all that that's doing is

739
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:00,840
creating more spin and allowing the golf
ball to be affected by the wind a

740
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:07,079
little bit more. So I try
to lean towards the realization of the golf

741
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,480
ball the distance it travels in the
air, and I think that has helped

742
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,119
a lot of players, especially when
it's downwind. When it's into the wind,

743
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:17,679
crosswind might be a little bit a
little bit different, but try to

744
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,960
overpower the wind and take downwind.
For an example, if it's one hundred

745
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000
and thirty yard shot, playing a
hundred, what you think you know,

746
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,920
it's a downwind. It's adding an
extra extra thirty yards. So we try

747
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,840
to take our one hundred yard golf
club mentally thinking about trying to hit it

748
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,559
one hundred and thirty yards or now
everything starts to come out of sync where

749
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:38,880
we try to hit it a little
bit harder and it gets caught up into

750
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,679
the wind and might be not as
an effective golf shot. So trying to

751
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:49,440
control the direction more with a little
bit more club and ultimately keeping that ball

752
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,480
low where I mean you've been here
before, where there's there's a select few

753
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:59,760
areas around our green complexes to where
we're not necessarily forced to get that ball

754
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,280
up in the air with trajectory and
landed on the green. You can get

755
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:07,920
away with taking more club swinging easier, controlling that trajectory, landing it in

756
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,920
a much safer area. And I
talk a lot. I'm a big percentage

757
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,320
guy, so I talk a lot
about percentages in our group clinics. And

758
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:21,679
directionally, you'll have more success out
abandoned dunes than you will of hitting a

759
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:24,599
perfect golf shot to get to travel
the distance that we are so used to

760
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,719
our clubs going. Everybody knows their
their clubs. We have, you know,

761
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,960
on average, twelve to thirteen clubs
aside from our putter. We know

762
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:36,519
that those distances of those clubs that
we hit right, I mean, whether

763
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:38,880
we have a graph or mentally,
we know the distance of those clubs.

764
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:43,519
I feel like that gets that gets
caught up a lot out here to where

765
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:47,000
we might not have as much success
because all of those factors take place in

766
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:52,960
affecting the result of the golf shot. Interesting, listen, we're gonna take

767
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,840
a time out. We'll be back
after a couple of words from our sponsors.

768
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,559
Kevin, you talked about the green
complex is being big, very big.

769
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,000
So are we going to see there's
possibilities that we're going to be seeing

770
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:15,559
puts of well over one hundred feet
many times, or and then we're also

771
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,320
because it's link style of golf,
are we going to be putting from off

772
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,880
the green as well? Yeah?
Well, and again, you know,

773
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:28,800
every single golf shot, let's say
within fifty yards around here at the resort

774
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:34,719
Um can allow us to be creative
with the golf ball based on everything from

775
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,320
where the golf ball is lying to
everything that's in between between the golf ball

776
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,199
and I do get asked that question
a lot. You know, when when

777
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:45,480
should I put it off of the
green? And to me that the two

778
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:50,400
things that play a factor into putting
the golf ball in the green or off

779
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,440
of the green is one the distance. And you know, if it's seventy

780
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:59,719
eighty yards, you know maybe a
putter might not be as effective because it's

781
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:05,119
longing the golf ball to much much
lower velocity then let's say a seven iron.

782
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,039
But if you have things in front
of you or in between the golf

783
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,760
ball and the hole that can't affect
it. If there's a lot of contours

784
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,159
and undulations, you have to take
all of those into consideration because the ball

785
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:19,280
is on the ground much longer.
So to me as I look at everything

786
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,000
from from where my golf ball is
lying to everything that is in front of

787
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:28,280
me to get to the golf ball, and depending on that will decide on

788
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,880
what club choice. I essentially try
to use Old McDonald Old McDonald's. You

789
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,760
can have, you know, one
hundred hundred and twenty foot putter, you

790
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,480
can be be off of the green, but if there's nothing in front of

791
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:40,960
you that's going to ultimately affect the
golf ball. Differently, if there's you

792
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,599
know, slopes or contours on the
left and it goes left and it goes

793
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:46,639
right, you have to take all
of those into consideration. So trying to

794
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:51,480
find a much flatter landing spot to
where the golf ball is only going to

795
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:54,400
be affected by by one thing.
So there's the there's the club selection on

796
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,800
what you decide to use. If
you decide to use a little bit of

797
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,519
a lower lofted golf club rather than
a higher off to golf club of trying

798
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:05,440
to get it over some some landing
spots without necessarily thinking about again, like

799
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,159
I mentioned of that golf ball getting
on the ground close to the hole to

800
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:14,599
you know, to stop and spin
it to the target golf mentality. So

801
01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:17,400
to me, that has been been
very successful and just analyzing everything from where

802
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,840
the golf ball is at and everything
that's in between you and the golf hole.

803
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:23,400
And if there's nothing in front of
you and you only have one thing

804
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,519
that's going to affect that golf ball, then by all means putt it.

805
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,480
But let's say you have maybe a
little undulation and maybe one on the left,

806
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,639
you might want to choose something like
a pitching ledge or or a gap

807
01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:37,719
wedge or a nine iron that maybe
give it a little bit a loft,

808
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:40,119
but then also that run to where
it's going to hit a spot in that

809
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:45,000
area maybe before the green were only
one thing is going to affect that golf

810
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:50,480
ball, and it's just helping simplify
everything, and that's where most success comes

811
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,480
from. Out Here, Did you
grow up playing links golf? Never?

812
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:00,639
Oh? So where did you grow
up? So? I grew up in

813
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:02,840
in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Essentially I
was born in LA but my majority of

814
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:07,760
my childhood is spent in Tulsa,
Oklahoma, and I've spent some time in

815
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,480
Northeast New Jersey, New York City
area, um down in the Pebble Beach

816
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,960
area, and then I've been at
Bandoned Dunes for for about four years and

817
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:19,079
being a full time instructor. This
is is really opened up, you know,

818
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,760
not only the love for the game. I mean again, you can

819
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,840
you can hit every single golf club
from from the same yard, you can

820
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:28,559
be be creative. Um, but
I mean there's no other golf like it.

821
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:34,079
I mean it is just extremely extremely
I'm appreciative, and it's so much

822
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:37,719
fun because every single round of golf
can can be different out here. Um,

823
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,880
you know, with five golf courses
that all share a little bit of

824
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:45,440
similarities but all have their distinctiveness as
well, um to where every single golf

825
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,280
shot can require something different. And
that's really what It's just kind of you

826
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,719
know, gave me the love for
the game again, and it's just it's

827
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:57,280
so much fun to be able to
hit different golf shots and essentially achieve you

828
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,840
know the same thing, right,
I mean what goes down on the scorecard.

829
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:07,559
So what is it that Bandoned Dunes
has taught you about how to play

830
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:14,840
golf and and I put playing golf
and hitting golf balls in two separate categories.

831
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:19,119
Yeah, exactly, yep. So
what is it about bandon Dunes.

832
01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:22,599
It's affected your game and impacted the
way you look at the game well,

833
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:25,320
you know, to me, um, you know kind of to golf.

834
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:30,079
What we just talked about is allowing
yourself to be creative, to think about

835
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:34,159
every every golf shot having a short
term memory to where you know, we

836
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,159
might we're not going to hit perfect
golf shots throughout an eighteen whole whole whole

837
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:40,400
round. If we do, great, but there are going to be some

838
01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:45,239
rounds where where we don't. And
to me, it has allowed me to

839
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:50,039
one, I mean think, think
smarter, think, uh, you know,

840
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:57,199
more about a higher percentage shot selection
and club selection and kind of taking

841
01:02:57,239 --> 01:03:00,400
away like I mentioned, is how
how far our golf club is gonna our

842
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:05,039
golf ball is going to travel in
the air off of a certain golf club

843
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:09,039
and it's resonated over to you know, to other parts of the country when

844
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:13,800
I when I go play I mean
link style golf again is a lot you

845
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,719
know, being creative when it when
it comes to short game, it's not

846
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,599
always about you know, using a
wedge and getting it to go, you

847
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,880
know, close to the whole um. And I ask people, it's funny,

848
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:27,519
is you know one question I always
ask in our group planks, is

849
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:31,280
you know what's the largest yardage gap
difference between two consecutive clubs in the golf

850
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,719
bag. You know, say,
for example, you're nine iron goes one

851
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,280
hundred and forty yards or eight iron
goes one hundred and fifty five yards.

852
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,840
We know that there's a ten fifteen
yard gap where those distances. We have

853
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,480
an idea of how far that golf
club is going to travel. And I

854
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:47,320
tell you, you know, the
largest yardage gap difference between two consecutive clubs

855
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,599
is going to be from our our
shortest distance golf club, our our sixty

856
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:53,880
fifty eight fifty six fifty four degree
wedges all the way down to let's say

857
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,239
fifteen yards or a putter. I
mean there's a there's a sixty yard gap

858
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,559
on average where you know, our
our lowest distance wedge travels let's say seventy

859
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:06,079
five to ninety five yards. That's
a pretty good distance of a lot of

860
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:09,679
people that end up in those situations. You lay up on a part five,

861
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,480
You you hit a different club off
of a t on a short part

862
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,800
four end up in around ninety to
seventy yards. We have a club that

863
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:19,559
goes that distance, but then what
do we have from let's say seventy five

864
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:24,159
to fifteen yards? And a lot
of players out here tend to use the

865
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:27,159
clubs that go the shortest distance,
the closer that they get to the whole.

866
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,079
Now, all of those things play
a factor, and you know now

867
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:33,599
that that contact has to become much
more precise. You hear the term I

868
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:36,239
didn't have a lot of feel around
the greens today. Let's say from forty

869
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,920
fifty yards in didn't have a lot
of feel around the greens today. Most

870
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:45,480
likely it comes from us as players
trying to feel one club to travel different

871
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,559
distances that we might not practice a
lot, especially for for amateurs. How

872
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:51,800
do you lower your index? You
know? And they say lower your index

873
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:56,960
by you know, hitting better golf
shots through an eighteen whole round of golf.

874
01:04:57,559 --> 01:05:01,519
It's about managing your your miss it's
managing your misses. You here that

875
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,800
term when we may end up in
some in between yardages and you've been here

876
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:09,199
before, right, I mean you
understand our golf courses aren't long on the

877
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:13,039
scorecard, and you look at a
lot of three hundred and forty par fours,

878
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:15,679
you look at a lot of four
hundred and sixty part fives to where

879
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:19,400
you know an avid golfer that looks
short on the scorecards. Where then we

880
01:05:19,519 --> 01:05:23,760
end up in some of those in
between yardages because we try to overpower the

881
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,559
golf course. All right, we
have a four hundred and sixty yard yard

882
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:31,519
par five, and if you remember
Pacific Pacific Dunes whole number three, I

883
01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:34,280
use it as an example all the
time. Pacific Dunes whole number three is

884
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:40,440
a fairly short part five where it's
only about four hundred and sixty four hundred

885
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,960
and seventy yards, and we try
to get the balls close to the green

886
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,280
as possible because we think the closer
we get, the better our score is

887
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,639
going to be. Where when we
get closer to that green, it's elevated

888
01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:51,599
about twenty twenty five feet with a
bunker that you can disappear in, and

889
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:57,199
large numbers can come from getting closer
to the whole. So being able to

890
01:05:57,239 --> 01:06:01,360
manage each golf hole separately, manage
each golf shot separately, to think about

891
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:06,559
how we can essentially achieve a golf
shot to be on the green a higher

892
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:12,320
percentage of the time. And another
scenario that I use is, you know,

893
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,760
imagine yourself given five chances to get
a golf ball on the green,

894
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:25,360
what what club selection, what shot
selection, what direction can you use to

895
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,079
where you feel very confident that all
five of those golf balls are on the

896
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,639
green. And it's something that we
do and a lot of our group clinics

897
01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:36,400
is we'll set up targets at you
know, thirty five, fifty sixty five

898
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:41,360
yards all right, there is where
we start to to gain strokes, right,

899
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,920
there's the statistic strokes gained. And
we set up all five golf balls

900
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,000
on different lies, balling down slope
below your feet, up slope, all

901
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:54,599
those all those different things, and
players will tend to use one club to

902
01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:57,639
hit all five of those golf balls. And the ones that are a flat

903
01:06:57,679 --> 01:07:00,719
or lie where there's not a whole
lot of wind and you're a fairly good

904
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:03,039
wedge player, we might hit you
know, three or five golf balls in

905
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,559
a close proximity let's just say ten, fifteen, twenty feet where it's on

906
01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:12,320
the green. But then I focus
on the dispersion and the difference between those

907
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,159
two of five, the one that
we might scroll over the green or we

908
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,599
might chunk off of a tight,
tight line end up ten fifteen yards a

909
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:23,880
green. Focus on that, that
dispersion, and then you know, I'll

910
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,639
take myself and some other instructors and
we'll use a different golf club for every

911
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:30,760
single golf shot. You know,
well, we'll use a wedge. If

912
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,079
it's a flat lie, we'll use
a pitching wedge, or a nine iron

913
01:07:33,159 --> 01:07:36,199
if it's you know, on a
down slope, or if the balls below

914
01:07:36,239 --> 01:07:40,519
your feet, we might we might
put it. And out of five golf

915
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:45,480
balls, you tend to notice that
the different club selections with each golf shot,

916
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:49,719
the dispersion of those five golf balls
are now much closer in proximity than

917
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:55,559
they're five. Even though three or
five might be close, but all out

918
01:07:55,559 --> 01:07:58,039
of all five, all five of
ours would tend to be a little bit

919
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:01,519
closer proximity. To me, that
is a a high percentage shot selection and

920
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:05,920
club club selection is give yourself five
chances to get the golf ball on the

921
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:13,599
green. What choices can you make
to feel confident that you can get all

922
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:16,199
five golf balls on the green.
And again there's no commentator saying, you

923
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:20,039
know, Kevin Phillips has a nine
iron from forty five yards all right,

924
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:26,199
once it gets on the green,
that's achieving a high percentage shot. And

925
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:30,399
that's where where Links Golf has really
allowed me to one fall into my coaching

926
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:35,000
philosophy of of golfing smarter and thinking
about higher percentages. Right. I mean,

927
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:42,319
I love that that mentality and success
comes from shooting lower scores, not

928
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:44,960
necessarily hitting the perfect nine iron up
in the air. And I've seen a

929
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,640
lot of well struck golf balls end
up in fairly low percentage areas on the

930
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,399
green or off the green, and
I've seen a lot of not so well

931
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:58,239
struck golf balls end up in higher
percentage areas based on the direction and you

932
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:04,039
know the club selection. Wow.
Well, you mentioned before about the greenside

933
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:11,239
bunkers have soft sand. What about
your fairway bunkers. So fairway bunkers out

934
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:14,159
here, I mean, the the
only difference between the sand that's on the

935
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:16,560
golf course and the sand that's on
the other side of the courses on the

936
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,399
beaches. The sand just gets raked
every day. That was what was naturally

937
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:26,760
there so it's a very soft and
beach like sand and greenside bunkers especially is

938
01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:30,039
difficult. But fairway bunkers always tell
people is you know, we tend to

939
01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:32,920
try to pick it clean because we
feel how soft the sand is. We

940
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,920
don't want the clubhead to dig into
the sand. Or if we hit you

941
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:40,239
know, a centimeter behind the golf
ball, I have a fairway bunkers,

942
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,880
ball's not going to travel as well. And again it goes into I tell

943
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,279
people not to focus on the result
of how far we were trying to hit

944
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:50,520
the golf ball in the air.
Is focusing on contact a little bit more?

945
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:55,520
So maybe we're really focusing on hitting
you know, the sand in front

946
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,479
of the golf ball, almost taking
as to a tight live fairway shot.

947
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,520
Is you know, we always should
it ball first, ground second. Same

948
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,479
thing goes out of the fairway bunkers
out here. Maybe we take a little

949
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:09,000
bit more club maybe we ground our
feet a little bit more and focus solely

950
01:10:09,039 --> 01:10:12,600
on the contact of ball first and
sand second, where we don't have to

951
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,199
pick it clean because we're trying to
get the full yardage out of let's say

952
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:18,159
our one hundred and fifty yard golf
club we have one hundred and fifty yard

953
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,720
fairway shot in your eight iron goes
one hundred and fifty yards. We're thinking

954
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:26,920
about getting that full distance out of
that golf ball by making perfect contact and

955
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,760
picking it clean. So where to
me is maybe take a little bit more

956
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:35,840
club, focusing more on the contact, maybe not swinging as hard, and

957
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,199
that's what's going to help us control
the golf ball a little bit more and

958
01:10:41,319 --> 01:10:45,439
shrink in that dispersion of a possible
miss hits. Where now, if you

959
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,000
focus on contact, that golf ball
is going to one be hit solid and

960
01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:53,000
it's already a little bit lower lofted, it's going to be controlled into the

961
01:10:53,079 --> 01:10:56,119
wind a little bit more. Typically, it's going to end up in a

962
01:10:56,199 --> 01:11:00,720
fairly better position than solely being stuck
on the one club that we feel that

963
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,560
goes that that distance trying to hit
it out of a fairway bunker. M

964
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:09,800
you're gonna take another time out.
I want to start breaking down each course

965
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:20,760
when we come back, Kevin,
are there any holes on any of the

966
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:26,920
five golf courses where the wind is
at your back? Are you always hitting

967
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:30,199
into the wind on these courses?
You know it varies throughout the time,

968
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:35,239
of year, um, through the
summer wind and the winter wind. Um.

969
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:39,840
You know, every golf course has
its its distinctions, but also a

970
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,479
lot of similarities. Um. You
know, Pacific Dunes, for for example,

971
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:50,399
it was designed based off of a
north and south wind and and and

972
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:55,880
and during during the summer, when
the wind's coming out out of the north,

973
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,760
the first three holes played dead into
the wind. Then the next three

974
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,520
hole play played down when it's going
north and south. So the golf course

975
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:08,159
changes throughout the year based off off
of the wind and what holes become become

976
01:12:08,199 --> 01:12:15,039
more difficult. Um. You know, it's it's very seldom to where the

977
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,279
wind is going to be the same
throughout the entire golf course. UM.

978
01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:23,479
On every single golf course. I
mean ultimately they're all built a little bit

979
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:27,399
north and south with with some holes
that are going east, east and west,

980
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,319
you know, from the coastline to
the coastline. Um. But depending

981
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:34,159
on the time of year, the
golf courses can can change drastically with just

982
01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:36,720
based on what direction the wind is
coming from. And that's the way the

983
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,760
golf courses were designed. And so
it's so much fun to play golf year

984
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:45,479
throughout the year because it's it's not
hitting the same golf shots every single time.

985
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,000
The golf hole is never going to
play the same every single time.

986
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:50,359
Part of the year, fairway bunker
might be in play off of the team,

987
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:55,079
wherein then another time of year might
it might not be. So it's

988
01:12:55,079 --> 01:12:58,600
allowing again, every single golf shot
to be different based on every single,

989
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:03,600
every single golf round. What advice
would you give to the amateur golfer on

990
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:11,000
how to read the flag right?
How to read that? You know,

991
01:13:11,119 --> 01:13:15,239
you'll you'll see that the flag is
blowing in the wind? Is it is

992
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:18,039
it, you know, just limp? Is it just kind of flopping occasionally?

993
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:21,279
Or is it stiff? Right?
I mean, you've got you've got

994
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:25,479
to be able. There's not a
lot of ways to read what the wind

995
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:30,000
is doing, except, you know, not legal ways at least you know.

996
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,239
I once heard that's like caddies were
going, well, why do you

997
01:13:32,279 --> 01:13:36,640
think we smoke? It really tells
you if the smoke can tell you not

998
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,479
only what directions going, but if
it's swirling and if it's you know,

999
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,359
quick or not. So, how
do you read and this is for any

1000
01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:48,239
golf course anywhere when you get wind
coming in, how do you read the

1001
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:50,960
flag to say, Okay, I
need to go two clubs up on this,

1002
01:13:51,079 --> 01:13:54,680
or I need to go three clubs
up on this. You know,

1003
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,680
I would say a good rule of
thumb for me trying to decide um a

1004
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:03,079
club selection based on the wind is
whatever your initial reaction is based on on

1005
01:14:03,119 --> 01:14:08,359
the yardage and how many clubs you
think that it's going to be in the

1006
01:14:08,359 --> 01:14:13,600
wind is always take one extra.
To me, it has always ended up

1007
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,000
in a better result of taking one
extra, because what just club up,

1008
01:14:17,079 --> 01:14:21,720
always always always club up. Maybe
too, yeah, but if you're going

1009
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:26,760
into it, and like I have
a memory of and I mentioned this earlier,

1010
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,720
but I have a memory of a
part of three that was one hundred

1011
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,479
and sixty yards and I took out
my driver and I still didn't reach the

1012
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:36,039
whole right. There are times of
the year that that that that may happen.

1013
01:14:36,079 --> 01:14:39,680
There are times of the year that
that that may happen where there's just

1014
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:44,039
a substantial amount of wind to where
you can't take enough club, you can't

1015
01:14:44,079 --> 01:14:46,119
hit it over the green. And
and that's what I always say, is

1016
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:53,119
just just just take whatever whatever your
initial thought is and and take extra club.

1017
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,880
And if you think it's a two
club win. If you think it's

1018
01:14:56,279 --> 01:15:00,680
you know, one hundred and twenty
yards playing one hundred and fifty, take

1019
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,359
your one hundred sixty one hundred and
sixty five yard club or take your one

1020
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:09,720
hundred and seventy yard club and commit
to a controlled golf swing. And that's

1021
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:15,000
where I feel like playing better in
the wind is we tend to try to

1022
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:18,520
overpower it. Let the club do
that for us. The clubs are automatic

1023
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:23,800
or manufacturer and designed to launch the
ball further distance wise. So take a

1024
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:28,439
little bit extra club and really commit
to focusing on a controlled golf swing and

1025
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:33,279
automatically do I ahead, ahead,
I'm sorry, I mean automatically. By

1026
01:15:33,319 --> 01:15:39,319
taking more club, is one going
to decrease the loft of the trajectory and

1027
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:44,279
the number two, swinging more controlled
is going to shallow out the angle of

1028
01:15:44,319 --> 01:15:46,920
attack to where it's not creating as
much spin when the golf ball gets into

1029
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,680
the air, which is going to
cause it to be less affected. So

1030
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:54,479
always always go more out here,
and it is going to achieve a better

1031
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,479
result a higher percentage of the time. Okay, so you club up take

1032
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,000
more than you think, but I'm
not sure that you've answered my question on

1033
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:05,600
how do you read the flags?
I mean, do you use the flags

1034
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:13,079
to tell you what how much to
clob up to a point I do?

1035
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:18,119
I mean, there's not a whole
lot of swirling winds out here where you

1036
01:16:18,119 --> 01:16:20,920
can throw grass up on the tea
box and a blow one way and you're

1037
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,680
like, well the flag's doing that. Um, you know, I base

1038
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,039
it off of uh, you know
times if you come here during the summer,

1039
01:16:29,119 --> 01:16:32,399
the wind's going to be blowing in
from from the north and it's going

1040
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,560
to affect let's say, half half
of the golf course. Is when I

1041
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:43,319
tell you I read reading the flag
is commit to where you think the wind

1042
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:46,439
is coming from. One holes that
have faced that same direction. So again

1043
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,039
the holes, a lot of holes
are built north and south, and the

1044
01:16:49,039 --> 01:16:53,800
holes that are playing into the wind, regardless of if the wind or if

1045
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,720
the flag maybe flowing a little bit
left or maybe flowing a little bit right,

1046
01:16:58,359 --> 01:17:01,319
it's it's still essentially blowing into you
or vice versa if you're playing holes

1047
01:17:01,359 --> 01:17:04,680
holes down wind. So if you're
reading the flag to me, whenever I'm

1048
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:10,079
reading reading a flag, is I
think about the direction of the golf hole

1049
01:17:10,359 --> 01:17:14,479
and where the wind has been blowing
throughout throughout the round, and then commit

1050
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:20,680
to that decision that if that hole
is facing north and three holes ago you

1051
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:25,119
were playing another hole that was facing
north in a similar direction, is commit

1052
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:28,640
to that decision of what you think
that that the wind is doing. Very

1053
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,680
rarely do we get a swirling wind. There might be a few occasions on

1054
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,039
our Band and Trails golf course,
which is kind of tucked back into the

1055
01:17:34,039 --> 01:17:39,239
trees a little bit to where it
might be a little bit difficult to judge

1056
01:17:39,239 --> 01:17:44,239
the wind. But being able to
understand that where the wind is coming from,

1057
01:17:44,279 --> 01:17:45,640
once the ball gets into the air, that's where it's going to be

1058
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,159
affected. So it might be a
little different on the tea box where you

1059
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:53,159
throw grass up, but then the
flag might be doing a little bit differently.

1060
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:57,319
But based on the wind direction throughout
your golf round, is commit to

1061
01:17:57,359 --> 01:18:00,119
that because that's what's going to affect
the golf ball once it gets in of

1062
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:01,880
the air. So I do look
at the flag to answer your question,

1063
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,079
But when I'm looking at a flag, I'm looking at the direction of the

1064
01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:09,319
golf hole and where the wind has
been blowing from throughout the course of the

1065
01:18:09,399 --> 01:18:14,119
round, and that has helped me
gauge the wind a little bit more successfully

1066
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:18,600
than basing it off of each individual
golf shot out here. M fascinating.

1067
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:23,600
Okay, um all right, let's
let's pick on each course for a bid

1068
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:29,520
here. Uh okay, morning round
Bandoned Dunes. Our first round is morning

1069
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:34,840
Bandoned Dunes. What's unique about this
golf course? What's special about this golf

1070
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:39,239
course? You know? But by
no go walking into it? Yeah,

1071
01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:43,199
you know, band into me the
original? Um, you know, it

1072
01:18:43,279 --> 01:18:46,319
kind of checks off all the boxes
for for all the resort golf courses.

1073
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:51,800
Um. It has um some strategicy
style golf holes, it has some gettable

1074
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:57,760
part fives, it has some quirky
part fours, it has um, you

1075
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:02,399
know, some some dark part threes. Um. So bandon kind of checks

1076
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,760
off all all of those boxes to
where, again, every single golf hole

1077
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:11,159
is going to be different. Um
for each nine there's no nine holes out

1078
01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:14,119
here that are very very similar.
Um. They all they all share some

1079
01:19:14,199 --> 01:19:16,880
characteristics, but all very distinct in
their own cells as well. Um.

1080
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:21,039
So Banded Dunes early in the morning
is is you know, being able to

1081
01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:26,479
understand that that every hole can can
be different and that's allowed you know,

1082
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,720
again, allowing us to be creative
with essentially how we get the golf ball,

1083
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:31,640
uh, you know on the green
or close to the whole band you

1084
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,520
know Bandon Dunes who whole number one, if you remember correctly, it's a

1085
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:38,800
shorter part four where you don't have
to hit driver off of the tea box.

1086
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,319
There's a bunker that's about two hundred
and forty yards out to a green

1087
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,640
that's elevated and a dog leg right
and you know the next couples you've got

1088
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:50,159
a driver hole. So every single
golf hole can can be different starting from

1089
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:54,960
the tea box. And you know, if you haven't been here before,

1090
01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:00,159
is always think of the safer play. You know, not necessarily what you

1091
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,640
look at on the plaque on the
on the tea box of that distance is

1092
01:20:03,279 --> 01:20:09,479
thinking the safer play, the higher
percentage golf shot starting from the tea box

1093
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,359
and then reloading on the next hole
and a very short term memory. So

1094
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:17,119
analyzing every single golf hole course management, hole by whole management, and Bannon

1095
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:21,720
Dunes checks off all of those boxes
to where they have every single golf hole

1096
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:27,840
through an eighteen whole round of golf
is a different outcome, a different game,

1097
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,359
A different starting point to where you
can you can play each golf hole

1098
01:20:32,039 --> 01:20:39,359
to your advantage and whatever whatever club
you feel confident in hitting based on the

1099
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:45,399
makeup of the golf hole, and
um, you know, we might have

1100
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,600
some golf holes that fit into into
our confident part of our game. You

1101
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,880
know, if we like hitting our
our hybrid a lot. You know,

1102
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,520
a lot of players hit hybrids off
the tea out here because it's not very

1103
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,239
long. It could be their best
club is go go to that club.

1104
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:02,039
You're not gonna be penalized for being
a little bit further back in distance.

1105
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,159
But if you're you're in play and
you're in the fairway, you're ultimately in

1106
01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:10,680
a better position to achieve a lower
score on that golf hole. Do you

1107
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,279
recommend being, especially if you're not
familiar with the choruses, to be a

1108
01:21:15,279 --> 01:21:19,159
little more conservative your play and not
be aggressive. Yeah, I would say

1109
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:24,760
the more conservative conservative that you can
be, and the more control you have

1110
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,760
over the golf ball, the better
the outcome will be at the end of

1111
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,479
eighteen holes. And what about trusting
your caddies as far as after they see

1112
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,399
you hit three balls, they're like, okay, I know your game inside

1113
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:41,239
now I tell people all the time, trust your caddies are We have some

1114
01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:45,560
of the best caddies in the country. I mean we have four hundred caddies

1115
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:48,359
during the summer, some that have
been here since day one. They've seen

1116
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:54,479
thousands and thousands of golf shots and
we have a very very well experienced caddy

1117
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:58,640
yard. Always trust your caddy and
they are very good about I mean they

1118
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,079
caddy for different different groups and different
players that are coming in every single day,

1119
01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:05,640
and they're very good about picking up
on on your strengths and on your

1120
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:10,760
weaknesses. And they they go into
you know, they they kind of bounce

1121
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:15,279
off of the idea of of golfing
smarter and thinking about a better outcome that

1122
01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:20,079
may not necessarily be um, a
shot that you are comfortable with, right.

1123
01:22:20,079 --> 01:22:23,000
I mean, once we get closer
to the hall, I hear that

1124
01:22:23,079 --> 01:22:26,000
the courses can't can't get very tough. So I always say, trust your

1125
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,880
caddy. They they've seen a lot
of golf balls roll around those golf courses.

1126
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:35,520
How many tea boxes are there?
Uh so we have some combo teas

1127
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:43,079
as well. Um, but five
tea boxes essentially going from the back tees

1128
01:22:43,239 --> 01:22:48,720
to our our green teas to the
forward tease UM to then are what we

1129
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:54,760
would call our not our junior teas, but our intermediate teas. And then

1130
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,439
we do have tea boxes that are
a little bit more forward for for beginners.

1131
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,760
But then we also have some some
cobo as well, you know,

1132
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,239
like a Blue Wide or a Green
Gold or things like that. UM.

1133
01:23:03,279 --> 01:23:08,079
I think there's seven total T box
combinations that you can you can play out

1134
01:23:08,079 --> 01:23:12,039
here with different course loption ratings.
I can't imagine you get a lot of

1135
01:23:12,079 --> 01:23:16,560
beginners going out there. You know, since the kind of the outbreak of

1136
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:23,279
golf after COVID, I mean,
we've seen a larger variety of golfers come

1137
01:23:23,319 --> 01:23:25,920
out here than I think that we
ever have before. You know, we've

1138
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:29,119
seen you know, right now we're
in our Junior band and East the program

1139
01:23:30,079 --> 01:23:33,920
to where a paying adult if you
bring a junior that's under the age of

1140
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:38,800
twenty two I believe, gets gets
around for free. UM. So we've

1141
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:43,000
seen a lot of fathers, sons, mother daughters. UM. We've seen

1142
01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:45,479
spouses walk along the golf courses now
because it was the only thing to do

1143
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,600
outside essentially, so ever since the
outbreak, we've seen a large variety of

1144
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:54,800
golfers to where every single level of
golfer can't can't enjoy the golf courses out

1145
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,279
here, and so we've we've seen
a lot. We do see some beginners,

1146
01:23:58,279 --> 01:24:01,439
some advance obviously with the us A
partnership and a lot of our USCA

1147
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,920
tournaments, we see some more advanced
golfers. But we crossed the spectrum.

1148
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:11,800
We see every single level of golfer. We got four more courses to cover,

1149
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,960
but we're gonna take another time out
and we'll do it when we come

1150
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,359
back. This week on Golf Smarter
and Mulligans is our final entry into our

1151
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:21,680
tribute to doctor Glenn Alba, who
passed away at the age of ninety one

1152
01:24:23,159 --> 01:24:29,520
in February twenty twenty three. This
sixth episode, originally published as numbers seven

1153
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:33,279
hundred and forty eight of Golf Smarter
in July of twenty twenty, was our

1154
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:40,000
final conversation with Glenn before his health
deteriorated. But that doesn't mean he still

1155
01:24:40,119 --> 01:24:45,359
wasn't sharp. Here we learn about
his last book, called The Clutch Golfer

1156
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:49,479
Formula, how to hit exactly the
shot you want, precisely when you need

1157
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:54,760
it. Let's talk about what you
call in the book a failsafe preshot routine.

1158
01:24:54,960 --> 01:25:00,239
The one we offer in Clutch is
laflow fires. So he stayed behind

1159
01:25:00,279 --> 01:25:02,880
the ball. And you say walk, I mean you walk into the strategy

1160
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:08,279
and it's just submitted to that SIT's
your game. Then you walk in the

1161
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:14,039
same number, step and set up
and you loaded lading. It means that

1162
01:25:14,279 --> 01:25:17,439
you load in the target, You
load in the swing that matches what you

1163
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:24,800
see, and then you're far away. Those words have meaning, see feel,

1164
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:29,840
trust, think box, playbox,
any words you use in a routine

1165
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,119
that connects to what you want to
feel. So the routine is a start

1166
01:25:33,279 --> 01:25:39,319
system and you don't have to be
a thirteen point two to have a routine.

1167
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:44,119
That's Golf Smarter Mulligan's episode two hundred
and fourteen, our last of six

1168
01:25:44,199 --> 01:25:48,479
episodes featuring a great mental game coach
whom we recently lost, but one is

1169
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:56,439
legacy to live on Doctor Glenn Alba, author, coach and pioneering sports psychologists.

1170
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,359
Check out our show notes or the
blog posts that Golf's arter dot com

1171
01:26:00,399 --> 01:26:04,479
to learn more about Glenn, how
to get either of his books, and

1172
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:11,279
information about donations in his memory.
Please subscribe for free to both of our

1173
01:26:11,319 --> 01:26:15,680
golf podcast, Golf Smarter, published
every Tuesday, and our sister podcast that

1174
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:21,279
revisits the best of Golf Smarter,
called Golf Smarter Mulligans, being released every

1175
01:26:21,319 --> 01:26:29,439
Friday from Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
Google, Amazon, Audible or wherever you're

1176
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:38,319
listening right now. Our second round
is going to be in the afternoon,

1177
01:26:38,399 --> 01:26:42,159
and that's going to be Bandoned Trails
on our first full day. So we're

1178
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:45,199
playing thirty six on Monday, We're
playing thirty six on Tuesday, and eighteen

1179
01:26:45,279 --> 01:26:50,159
on Wednesday. And so Bandoned Trails. What do I need to know?

1180
01:26:51,159 --> 01:26:56,479
What is unique about this Bandoned Trails? I mean, that's a that's a

1181
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,600
golf course that I can play every
single day. I mean, it's just

1182
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,880
a tremendous design. It's a whole
lot of fun. It's it's the only

1183
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:09,880
golf course where you can get penalized
off of the tee box on every single

1184
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:14,159
golf hole. It's the only one
that goes kind of fun. You find

1185
01:27:14,199 --> 01:27:19,319
that's fun well, it makes well
and it makes you concentrate more of of

1186
01:27:19,359 --> 01:27:26,760
standing on a te box and managing
that whole individually. Of you know,

1187
01:27:27,159 --> 01:27:30,119
it's not just it's not open it's
not. I mean, it still has

1188
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:32,640
a lot of links golf characteristics,
but it's not just you know, hitting

1189
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,680
your driver as far as you can
and being able to spray it left or

1190
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:41,479
right of the fairway. Um.
So the focus on bandon trails is starting

1191
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:46,159
from the tee box. If you
can be in more fairways on bandon trails,

1192
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:51,000
you will have more success and more
confidence of playing that golf course.

1193
01:27:51,279 --> 01:27:55,520
And again that that's controlling the golf
ball, maybe playing a little bit more

1194
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:59,640
conservative where it's not going to penalize
you as much of being a little bit

1195
01:28:00,039 --> 01:28:02,520
you know, further away from the
golf the green are being a little bit

1196
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,760
shorter distance off of the tea.
But if you're in the fairway, you

1197
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:10,800
can still play very well round of
golf out there rather than losing a golf

1198
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,039
you know, losing three or four
golf balls off of the tea because there

1199
01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:17,479
is some penalty areas off of the
tea box. And is it um when

1200
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:21,359
you when you're off the fairway,
are you in tall rough are you just

1201
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:27,319
undulated grounds? What? What's the
little a little bit of both? Um?

1202
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,279
You know the fairways are still fairly
wide, um, you know,

1203
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:36,159
just the property itself is fairly large, but there is a significant amount of

1204
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:42,399
distance in between you know, our
natural fescue dunes and rough before you get

1205
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,840
to some of those tree lines.
Um. But not not like tall thick

1206
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:50,039
rough. There's some fairway bunkers that
are strategically placed, um you know around

1207
01:28:50,039 --> 01:28:54,600
bannon trails that that can affect your
your second shot or your approach shot.

1208
01:28:55,239 --> 01:28:58,800
But as far as the rough,
I mean, there is some sign significant

1209
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,479
difference of being able to possibly miss
a fair way, but not to an

1210
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:05,960
extravagant uh you know amount not not
losing a golf wall out out into the

1211
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,920
trees. And again, the more
control we have over our golf ball,

1212
01:29:10,399 --> 01:29:13,079
the earlier we get it on the
ground, the more that we control it,

1213
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:15,880
the less effect it's going to be
from being able to to get blown

1214
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,800
off into the trees or or to
lose a golf ball of tea, because

1215
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,760
that's frustrating. You can play six
really well, you know, six holes

1216
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,279
of golf fairly well, and then
you get to the seventh hole and you're

1217
01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:28,159
feeling confident, and then we lose
a golf ball and it's like shoot there,

1218
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,720
you know there, there's that big
number in one golf round that we

1219
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,760
tried tried to avoid so being able
to have a short term memory. Go

1220
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:36,359
to each tea box with a with
a different perspective, and that's where you'll

1221
01:29:36,359 --> 01:29:41,680
find a little bit more success.
Short term memory an important thing. What's

1222
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,800
your favorite hole? What's your favorite
hole? And Bandoned trails, you know

1223
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:50,039
that's tough. Um. You know, to me, the my favorite hole

1224
01:29:50,079 --> 01:29:55,640
and one of my most memorable golf
rounds that that I've played at Bandon Bandon

1225
01:29:55,720 --> 01:30:00,760
Dunes Golf Resort has been on Bannon
Trails and it was burst off in the

1226
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,840
morning fall time and getting out the
whole number nine, which is our Furthest

1227
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:12,039
Court or Furthest golf hole that that's
inland um and some of just that whole

1228
01:30:12,079 --> 01:30:15,560
makeup and the trees just kind of
getting lost out into the woods, not

1229
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,439
realizing you're, you know, less
than a thousand yards from from the ocean

1230
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:24,520
and the beach. Uh that whole
makeup and there's a there's a signature tree

1231
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,159
that's kind of on the left side
about one hundred yards out that when you

1232
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:30,279
walk up to you just don't realize
how tall it is. And it's a

1233
01:30:30,319 --> 01:30:31,920
part five. So you're sitting there
right by and you're just looking at this

1234
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,680
tree like, man, I I
can't believe I'm right here on the coast.

1235
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,680
It kind of brings it kind of
brings you down a little bit,

1236
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,920
and it's just it's a really really
cool golf hole, very memorable because you

1237
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,039
kind of just get quiet and get
lost back there. You're gonna see some

1238
01:30:46,079 --> 01:30:51,000
wildlife, you might see some turkey
crossing the fairway, but it's a really

1239
01:30:51,039 --> 01:30:55,520
cool, uh golf hole of makeup
and just getting lost in the trees and

1240
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,600
not realizing you're, you know,
less than a thousand yards from from the

1241
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:08,159
coast. Wow. The next morning
we're gonna be starting off morning tea time

1242
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:13,399
at old mac Old McDonald. So
what's what's unique about this course and what

1243
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:17,640
do we need to remember? Old
McDonald is, you know again it's our

1244
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:25,479
largest piece of property, um largest
green complex. The biggest advice that that

1245
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:31,520
I would say is stay away from
the fairway bunkers. Every everything is is,

1246
01:31:32,199 --> 01:31:35,600
you know, is so large.
There's fairway bunkers where you know,

1247
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:40,359
we have railroad ties and stairs that
are going down into it. And staying

1248
01:31:40,399 --> 01:31:43,760
away from the fairway bunkers. If
you can go around them. That's the

1249
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:47,079
biggest piece of advice. It's large
fairways, large greens, but the fairway

1250
01:31:47,119 --> 01:31:55,079
bunkers a are where a golf round
can can go haywire very quickly. M

1251
01:31:56,119 --> 01:32:00,520
Old boy, okay, stay old
McDonald in the day away from the fairway

1252
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:06,960
bunkers, all right, and trust
your caddy. Um let's see here.

1253
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:12,439
Then we've got sheep Ranch in the
afternoon. Uh no, eight, what

1254
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,640
are we doing here? What did
I'm looking at it? Yeah? I

1255
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,720
think we end with sheep Ranch.
I think we played Pacific Dunes. Okay,

1256
01:32:18,359 --> 01:32:23,680
do we switch those around? Oh
boy? Okay, uh so let's

1257
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:29,760
let's talk about sheep Ranch. Okay, she Sheep Ranch to to me can

1258
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,319
be the most enjoyable golf round on
the resort. Um. I mean it's

1259
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,960
to me, it's the best opening
hole in golf. Um takes you right

1260
01:32:38,039 --> 01:32:43,039
out to the water. Um.
You know, there's there's nine total greens

1261
01:32:43,079 --> 01:32:46,159
that are that are on the edge
of the coast. There's over a mile

1262
01:32:46,199 --> 01:32:50,119
of golf from tea box to fairway
to green that that is as on the

1263
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:54,880
coast. Um. So it can
be one of the most enjoyable golf rounds

1264
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,479
on the resort. Nope, nope, no sand, no bunkers. We

1265
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,600
don't have to worry about staying away
from from those. Um. But it's

1266
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:05,159
our most exposed golf course. It's
our it's our highest elevating golf course.

1267
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:09,479
So that's where the wind really really
comes into play, to where you can

1268
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:14,319
go back to that concept of controlling
the golf ball of a little bit lower

1269
01:33:14,399 --> 01:33:17,560
trajectory, being creative with your golf
ball to achieve the same result a higher

1270
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,800
percentage of the time. Um.
It's one of our shortest distance wise,

1271
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:25,560
UM, it's one of our smaller
piece of properties. Um. But just

1272
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:30,159
going out there and enjoying it and
again taking away that concept of how far

1273
01:33:30,199 --> 01:33:32,399
the golf ball goes in the air. I mean, you can have a

1274
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:36,039
lot of fun out there with with
every single golf holl I mean, and

1275
01:33:36,119 --> 01:33:40,520
taking the views. I mean,
it's some it's the best views on property.

1276
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:43,319
You sit up by the clubhouse and
you can see, you know,

1277
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:46,079
the golf course and you see all
the golfers out there. I mean,

1278
01:33:46,079 --> 01:33:50,760
it's pretty spectacular. Wow, amazing. You really love it there, don't

1279
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:56,880
you. I am very appreciative of
being being out here. I mean,

1280
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:00,880
it's it's spectacular, Sweet gig,
Sweet gig, and then we end up

1281
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:05,279
our final rounds. Canna be a
Pacific Dunes? Tell me that the Pacific

1282
01:34:05,359 --> 01:34:11,079
Dunes, I mean being being the
the highest rated golf course on property.

1283
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:17,039
Um. And you say the most
part rankings, and it's and it's our

1284
01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:21,239
highest rated UH slope and rating as
well, um, even though it's not

1285
01:34:21,359 --> 01:34:26,680
very long on on the scorecard.
And I use specific Dunes as an example

1286
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:30,239
a lot of times in a lot
of my clinics because it is our most

1287
01:34:30,319 --> 01:34:35,000
strategicy style golf course. So it's
a you know, some short and quirky

1288
01:34:35,039 --> 01:34:39,279
part fours where there are only three
hundred and twenty three hundred and forty yards,

1289
01:34:39,279 --> 01:34:42,359
there's you know, four hundred and
sixty yard par fives that play both

1290
01:34:42,359 --> 01:34:45,039
into the wind and downwind. The
back nine, you know, it's one

1291
01:34:45,079 --> 01:34:48,560
of the most interesting back nines that
that you know, I've I've ever played

1292
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,520
on a golf course. Is you
know part three, part three right there

1293
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:56,319
on the water and then you gotta
then you gotta part five, then part

1294
01:34:56,399 --> 01:35:00,359
four, Part three, Part five. I mean it's a very strate Tjuri

1295
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,000
style back nine and that that you
know, to go back to Bannon trails

1296
01:35:03,039 --> 01:35:08,560
of being in play off of the
tea because there are some penalty areas.

1297
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:13,880
Pacific Dunes is more strategicy on on
placement of the golf ball. Uh,

1298
01:35:14,039 --> 01:35:18,439
it's actually one of our smaller green
complexes, but more of the undulated greens

1299
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,479
and so ground the greens can be
very difficult to go to your point to

1300
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:25,319
where I man if we're if we're
greenside or around there, the golf course

1301
01:35:25,319 --> 01:35:28,960
can become very difficult. So placement
off of the tea box and approach shots

1302
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:32,520
and and managing each golf hole differently. Whole number one it's only about you

1303
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:35,560
know, three hundred and seventeen yards. I think it is on the scorecard

1304
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:39,960
from our green teas, which is
about seventy seventy five percent of our golf

1305
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:44,039
rounds that are played. Um.
But once you get to two hundred yards,

1306
01:35:44,319 --> 01:35:46,920
it's a severe downslope right to left
to a green that runs left to

1307
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,079
right, which can be a very
difficult golf shot. So there's where managing

1308
01:35:50,119 --> 01:35:54,199
each each golf hold comes into plates
where you only want to hit a club

1309
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:57,239
that travels two hundred two hundred and
twenty yards because you want to be able

1310
01:35:57,279 --> 01:35:59,800
to see the green. You want
to have somewhat of a flat lie and

1311
01:36:00,039 --> 01:36:02,119
you're not up there, it can
be a very difficult starting hole, which

1312
01:36:02,119 --> 01:36:06,279
we never want to start off the
golf round at you know what could be

1313
01:36:06,319 --> 01:36:10,600
our favorite golf course at the resort
on a on a low note. We

1314
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,399
want to walk away with a good
score on the starting hole. Well,

1315
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:18,760
listen, I'm really excited about coming
up and getting to meet you, and

1316
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:26,960
I will tell all my partners on
this trip to listen to this stuff because

1317
01:36:27,319 --> 01:36:32,039
you provided with such valuable information not
just for playing abandoned dunes, but a

1318
01:36:32,079 --> 01:36:35,640
lot of valuable information for playing golf. And I really, yeah, yeah,

1319
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:41,039
I firmly believe the mental part of
the game plays a big, big

1320
01:36:41,079 --> 01:36:45,399
factor and it can help you be
successful, especially out here. I mean

1321
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:48,079
to create a memorable trip. You're
you're out at one of the top golf

1322
01:36:48,079 --> 01:36:50,720
resorts in the world, playing some
of the best golf courses in the world,

1323
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:55,680
and nothing is going to make that
more enjoyable and memorable than than breaking

1324
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,640
a benchmark that you've been trying to
for for so long, or hitting a

1325
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:00,920
memorable golf shot. Um, you
know, getting the golf ball close to

1326
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,479
the hole when you know you hit
a seven iron from from eighty yards when

1327
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:06,640
you have a forty mile an hour
wind. I mean, nothing is more

1328
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:10,560
memorable than those golf shots that always
bring us back. I mean, it's

1329
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:15,640
it's it's so cool, ire Oh, it's amazing. Well, uh,

1330
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:18,960
these days I'm shooting regularly. My
average score over the last twenty rounds is

1331
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:23,680
like in the low eighties, eighty
okay something, right, So I'm hoping

1332
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,800
to break ninety on these That's that's
that is the goal. It's like,

1333
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,039
just see if I can break ninety
and I'll be really happy and think about

1334
01:37:31,159 --> 01:37:35,359
think about what we what we've talked
about that today. Absolutely, how do

1335
01:37:35,399 --> 01:37:39,960
we how do we shoot lower scores? You know, it isn't necessarily about

1336
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:44,560
making more more birdies, right,
I mean, it's it's about managing those

1337
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,520
those misses. And you know,
a quick little example that that um you

1338
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,119
know I'll use is take take John
rom for an example, when he won

1339
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:55,479
the Masters. What did he do
the very first hole? A double bogie?

1340
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:59,319
Did right there? Triple bogies?
Yeah, I mean he started off

1341
01:37:59,399 --> 01:38:02,119
very bad at the biggest tournament of
the year, and instead of thinking about

1342
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:06,720
what he needed to do for the
next seventeen holes of golf to make up

1343
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:11,560
for that that bad golf hole,
which I feel like a lot of players

1344
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:13,880
tend to do, and they have
a bad golf hole, they tend to

1345
01:38:14,079 --> 01:38:17,079
try to think about what they can
do to make up for that and instead,

1346
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:24,159
and I fall fault to it as
well with myself, but having a

1347
01:38:24,159 --> 01:38:28,720
short term memory and going into each
golf shot with a with a different outlook,

1348
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:30,279
and he went to the next te
box, he focused on hitting a

1349
01:38:30,279 --> 01:38:34,359
good tea shot, focused on hitting
a good approach shot, and throughout the

1350
01:38:34,359 --> 01:38:38,239
course of the round when I think
he made ten birdies nine ten birdies,

1351
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:42,239
so realistically, he played let's say, ten holes of golf really really well.

1352
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,960
Then he played the first hole of
golf not very well, all right,

1353
01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:49,880
and then what did he do for
the next the seven of eighteen holes.

1354
01:38:50,319 --> 01:38:55,319
He was managing his game. He
was managing the golf course at Augusta,

1355
01:38:55,319 --> 01:38:58,239
which can be very, very tough, and that's where you start to

1356
01:38:58,279 --> 01:39:00,439
break those benchmarks. You know,
if you have you end up in a

1357
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:04,479
greenside bunker two or three times in
a golf round, and you're able to

1358
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:09,720
get out of that bunker successfully those
three times and maybe walk away with a

1359
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:13,199
par, maybe walk away with a
bogie at most rather than a big number.

1360
01:39:13,279 --> 01:39:15,560
Then you take a couple approach shots
from fifty yards, you're able to

1361
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,880
have some success with maybe using a
different club because you're in and in between

1362
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:23,600
yards, you have an uneven lie, you have some win being able to

1363
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,920
successfully get the golf ball on the
green a couple more times. Then we

1364
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,800
have a couple, you know,
seventy eighty nine hundred foot puts. How

1365
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:32,720
do we walk away with you know, maybe a few less three puts.

1366
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,359
I mean just those that add up
out of you know, eight or nine

1367
01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:39,399
holes, and we have more success
Let's say six of those eight holes.

1368
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:43,079
That's where the benchmarks are going to
be broken. That's where strokes are naturally

1369
01:39:43,079 --> 01:39:45,600
going to fall off the scorecard again
without feeling like you just hit the ball

1370
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:50,159
for eighteen holes the best that you
ever had in your life. It's I

1371
01:39:50,159 --> 01:39:55,279
don't know if you watched Ted Lasso, but he talked about there's a great

1372
01:39:55,279 --> 01:39:58,680
line reeses, think like a goldfish. Yeah right, It's just like,

1373
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:02,000
think about what's in front of and
you know, only for the next few

1374
01:40:02,039 --> 01:40:05,479
inches, and don't worry about what's
behind you exactly, and it's like,

1375
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:10,239
yeah, that translates to golf really
well, very well, Fish, very

1376
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:13,079
well. Yea, all right,
Kevin, thanks so much, man,

1377
01:40:13,159 --> 01:40:15,399
and I'll see you next week.
Yeah, my pleasure, Fred, thanks

1378
01:40:15,399 --> 01:40:16,560
for having me on here. I'm
looking forward to seeing you guys out here

1379
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:24,000
in a few days. Next up
to honor the twenty twenty three US Open,

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01:40:24,079 --> 01:40:28,600
we'll meet Charlie Meacham, author of
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got to check out if you love
golf history. It's called Arnie and Jack.

1382
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Stories of my long friendship with two
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1383
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that episode, we'll hear a quick
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1384
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,600
who, in preparation for my windy
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And then in two weeks we're going
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