WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:02.839 Hey, what's good is your boy? Yeah? D what what? I 2 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:05.440 was good? Everybody? This is Neil? What's good? This glove? 3 00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:09.199 Really? And you're checking out the Cruise Show podcast? Make sure to subscribe 4 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:17.760 rate and sure let's go and get to know you. We should take cards 5 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:26.600 time mine pouts. I could dude this for hous sit and talk to you 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:33.799 for us? Why is it so hard to keep it in? And you 7 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:39.359 just tell me what you feel? What head on? Do another head of 8 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.759 gone? Do when you want to notice? Another hit of m boll me 9 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:54.399 bruises. You wasn't focused, so smell for fun photos mute. I don't 10 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:58.000 know who that artist is, but whoever that is, that's amazing. That's 11 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:00.359 good work. Who did that? You know what? It's crazy? Do 12 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:04.959 you know that person? I'm minor money long is on the Cruise Show. 13 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:07.799 Let's get it real ninety two to three LA's new Over hip Hop. Shout 14 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.760 out the DJ fuse for that intron. Yeah that was amazing, love that. 15 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:14.799 It's a vibe. Yeah yeah, how do you feel this this weather 16 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:18.120 that we're having you like, I don't know. I saw I fall asleep 17 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:22.040 to like rain sounds and stuff, so I was like in heaven, this 18 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:23.439 world. Okay, you don't want to wake up? No, I didn't. 19 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:30.120 I was like fifty minutes. So if we crack a window, you're 20 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:33.879 liable to take a nap. Maybe I got a blanket, I just need 21 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:37.480 all Yeah, money long is here? Made for me? Is incredible? 22 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:41.799 Congratulations? Thank you? Yeah? That process writing made for me? Was 23 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:44.680 that a fun process? Is it tough for you? I know you could 24 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:47.840 write a song in seconds if you really wanted to. Yeah, it took 25 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:52.359 me like thirty minutes to write this stuff. Yes, I just go line 26 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.359 for line, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Does it start with a 27 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:57.959 hum, a melody, an idea, a fat a feeling? Not gonna 28 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:02.040 just turn my brain off and just like whatever words come out, And then 29 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:05.000 I'm just like, okay, what rhymes is that? It kind of is 30 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:07.919 like a freestyle a little bit. Yeah, you know, I'm very much. 31 00:02:07.960 --> 00:02:10.960 I do like there's a rule in musical theater where it has to be 32 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:15.879 perfect rhymes, So I'm always just kind of like, okay, what rhymes 33 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:20.360 with perfume? Immune room, you know, and then I'll just feel in 34 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:23.599 the words. Okay, you know what I mean? Yeah, has your 35 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.960 creative process changed yet? All throughout the years or is it the same. 36 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:31.199 Yes, I just have a lot more in faith that whatever's gonna come out 37 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:35.840 of my mouth is going to be something good. Because sometimes, like when 38 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:38.439 i'm writing, i'll say something, I'll be like, oh, did you 39 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.840 hear that? That was crazy? Like that was the bar I thought it 40 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:45.159 was. I'm like whoa. And I'll listen to a back of like that 41 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.599 was like a triple on, you know, And I know I'm not that 42 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:51.800 smart, like I'm pretty smart, but like no, but like sometimes it's 43 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:57.080 like I didn't mean for it to be that clever. I was just you 44 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:04.159 know, but I yes, so that's what I was gonna say. I 45 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:07.639 feel that I'm just a conduit. I'm like, I'm I'm channeling. It's 46 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:12.280 not me. I'm not like Albert Einstein or anything like that. It's just 47 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.840 I have a large vocabulary because I read a lot, so when I'm thinking 48 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:20.199 of words to rhyme, I have a lot of words to choose from. 49 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.000 But I do use apps. Sometimes. There's a really cool app called writer 50 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:30.240 that I use. There's writer and then master writer to write a song. 51 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:35.879 No, and I've tried, and it's terrible, it's terrible. Why because 52 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.759 it's not in your voice. It sounds like a computer trying to write a 53 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:44.479 song. I'm not worried, like AI is not taking my place anytime. 54 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:47.960 That's right, because AI comment for everybody. Yeah, it's gonna take a 55 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:53.000 while before they you know. Yeah, how do you feel about that though? 56 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:54.240 Right? Because as an artist, as a songwriter, as an artist, 57 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:59.960 as a human being, as a creative AI can can take over or 58 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:05.680 AI can become something that mirrors you and it's not you. Well, somebody 59 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:11.000 who really believes that there is a divine element and like when things are really 60 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:16.199 magical and they just like touch, you know, babies to grandmothers, every 61 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:21.639 ethnicity, people who don't speak English are vibing with your music right now. 62 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:26.600 The main for me record is like going crazy in Africa, going crazy in 63 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:30.759 Europe everywhere. Yeah, So it's just like there is a divine element there 64 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.839 that I really don't see AI. It's like a frequency level thing, right 65 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:41.600 that you cannot get that from like computers. So you might be able to 66 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:45.639 do the rhyme scheme and everything, but at a certain point, it's only 67 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:49.319 going to be to a certain level. It's never going to get to that 68 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:55.120 like almost say never, but I think it may take like some serious tech 69 00:04:55.600 --> 00:05:00.439 to get to the place where it's like got the divine God element said this 70 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:02.399 before that I think it can be useful in regards like, say you're a 71 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:05.680 producer and you're trying to make reference tracks to pitch to sound like if you 72 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:10.199 can get like a whatever drake and I voice to cut the reference and you 73 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:12.360 really just pitch it and like, oh, this is how you sound on 74 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:15.000 the track, complete as you recorded. But then those leak and then the 75 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:16.759 artist is unhappy. Right, well they can, but I'm saying it could 76 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.680 be useful in that regard, Like, no, it can't replace the artists, 77 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:24.199 but I mean, if you understand what AI is doing, it's gathering 78 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:30.160 information from things that already exist, so it's not necessarily going to give you 79 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:35.240 anything new or it's already done, so you know there's a limit on it. 80 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:39.519 So we're here to say fuck AI. I didn't say that, so 81 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:43.720 you know that you know AI, when you see this years to come, 82 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.600 it was not me AI. We won't know me. Yeah, no, 83 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.800 no, no no. Are you watching the super Bowl for Taylor Swift or 84 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:55.680 Usher Usher USh? Yeah? Yeah, we love Tay, but no we 85 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:58.959 were not watching her? Is that her nickname in the music industry? With 86 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.399 that's what I say. I mean, we're not friends, girl, but 87 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:06.759 if you want to be my friends and what's good, what's good songs together? 88 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:11.079 You know, I really would write with her. She's amazing, a 89 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.160 brilliant, brilliant songwriter. Some of my favorite stuff of hers is like the 90 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:23.199 early like what's that song with? My song is a slam in front door? 91 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:27.600 Like I mean, she's just like a really brilliant storyteller. Yeah. 92 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.079 Yeah, speaking of friends, like, you know, people tend to say, 93 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.160 like, yeah, there's no friends in the industry, YadA, YadA, 94 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.120 yaday. Do you have you made friends in the industry that you like, 95 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:40.399 I can call and it's it's it's it's gravy, it's love. I 96 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:44.399 mean, I have associates. I was gonna say yeah, because I think 97 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:48.040 the thing is like, if I can't call you when I'm not hot and 98 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:55.279 when i'm not you know, when I'm down, are we really you know 99 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.399 I know each other? Yeah, if it's two in the morning, I'm 100 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:00.160 stranded, I need to ride, Can I call you you or can I 101 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:04.439 only call you? You know? When I got records? You know, 102 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:09.120 what I mean. So there's not very many people who will do for you 103 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:13.439 without needing you to do for them first, and so for that reason, 104 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:19.560 I'm gonna say no. But you know, I mean, I love everybody 105 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:23.360 like, but there's not a lot of people who I would say, like, 106 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:26.560 this is my friend, you can come to my house and you know, 107 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:30.319 just chill. As a songwriter, how important is it for you to 108 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:33.360 make you know, because do you obviously work with a lot of artists too, 109 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:38.399 How important is it for you to convey a message that is you rather 110 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:43.399 than making something for the audience. It's a good question. I just refuse 111 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:47.720 to sing things that I don't feel like I can sell. And what I 112 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:54.639 mean by that is like it's got to resonate with me. I can't sing 113 00:07:54.759 --> 00:08:01.439 things that like conflict with my morals and values and things that I wouldn't say 114 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.240 in conversation, or things that I know you you know, I'm a firm 115 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.040 believer. You have to be careful what you're singing about because it could come 116 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:13.240 true and with the right situations and the right frequency, and you look up 117 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.240 and you're like, oh my god, my life is you know, falling 118 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.959 apart. So I just try to make sure that if I'm singing something, 119 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:26.319 it's authentic to me and either like maybe I'm living vicariously through a friend, 120 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.840 or I have to have experienced it like truly before before I will like put 121 00:08:31.840 --> 00:08:35.840 it in your voice, you know it, So you're not selling something you 122 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.240 don't necessarily back up. Yeah, because you can tell. I think, 123 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:45.440 like just even with your movements, your mannerisms, the way you might you 124 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:50.399 know, shake your head or you know, flip your hair, that stuff 125 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:54.519 is kind of like baked in. When it's authentic, you don't have to 126 00:08:54.559 --> 00:09:00.799 think about it. Or the audience can tell when you're like, oh yeah, 127 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.720 let me put my fist up right here, like you know what I 128 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:05.840 mean, and I never want to radio. The audience can sense when it's 129 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:09.759 phony, when it's not real. You know, YO made for me is 130 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:16.440 everywhere. Congratulations, Thank you, Congratulations flower flowers, flowers, We understand 131 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:16.919 you got to go. It's raining. Do you have a coat? Do 132 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:22.639 you want to borrow mine? I got this little shap Thank you, though, 133 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:26.519 really quick. Why do you think writers and ghost writers are kept in 134 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.759 the dark? How come certain artists don't claim writers, you know, when 135 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:33.360 they're so important and valuable well being on both sides. I'll say, as 136 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.360 an artist, there's so much going on that sometimes it's not intentional. It's 137 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:41.759 like, you know, there's there's the stylist, there's the manager, there's 138 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:46.080 an assistant, there's the you know, the makeup artist. There's this designer, 139 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:50.679 that designer, there's this radio person. There's so many people that sometimes 140 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:58.480 you you may just kind of like forget to acknowledge, which is not an 141 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.759 excuse, but it's just I under stand how it can happen. But I 142 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:07.159 will say that, like one time somebody I was like, man, I 143 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:11.519 just I know I'm an artist, like I could do this. And I 144 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:15.720 can't remember who it was, but I remember being at a dinner and the 145 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:20.200 guy was like, who's stopping you? Who says you can't do it? 146 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:26.840 Why do you feel that you need someone to give you permission? Who do 147 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:28.639 you think is going to be that person to give you a chance, And 148 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.720 me being like so like dumb, I was like, I don't know, 149 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.679 man, I don't know who's stopping me. And he never said it, 150 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:41.279 but years later I realized he meant me. Like it's a mindset and a 151 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:45.919 mental thing where you have to realize, like you can do anything you want 152 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:50.200 to do. There's these parameters and like imaginary boundaries that exist where people try 153 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:56.799 to keep you within a certain you know box, but you don't have to 154 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:00.279 follow that, and it just takes a lot of courage and fail that. 155 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.080 It's really scary. Sometimes you know, you don't want to walk away from 156 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:07.120 your bread and butter. You're afraid you don't know what else is coming around 157 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:13.120 the corner. So I don't fault any songwriter or producer for kind of like 158 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:18.039 being afraid to take that step, because if you fall, it's just you, 159 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:20.519 you know, all right, we gott to wrap it up. I 160 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:24.360 have ten more questions? Is that okay? Made for me? Thank you 161 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.039 very much, have a great day. Thank you very much. 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