Mac. I read the news today, Oh boy, I read the news
today. Oh boy. Number one, that song des There has more credit.
It's fucking fantastic. Great So number two it really is. Number two.
Did you hear about this? Wendy's was toying with possibly surge pricing on
their menu. I don't even know how they would do this. So if
you out there at home didn't hear this, Wendy's was just going to operate
like liftin uber. When the demand was higher, their prices were going to
be higher. But how would they determine that the amount of mobile orders that
people in their mobile orders. Maybe if you know a long drive through a
long line inside, it can just measure the amount of people ordering. But
it seems like they didn't have a They have said, they've come out and
said this not gonna happen. Yeah, terrible idea. I just would never
go to Wendy's again, or hear me out. Just eat on an off
schedule. Just change how you eat food, Like ten am and eight pm,
you eat at ten two and eight thirty two might be two, might
be still high traffic. I don't know. Ten and eight yeah, I
feel like that would be it. But I also don't want to build my
life around the Wendy schedule. Sorry, you seem to have changed your lifestyle.
Why, well, Wendy started charging more around dinner time. There's only
a buck fifty at eight. I only eat at three thirty every day.
I eat a lot, but I only eat at three thirty. I would
be on board, but you know it wouldn't be this way. You know,
they would have the baseline price, right, yeah, six fifty seven
to fifty whatever it is. No, no, you need to lower it
below the base. They wouldn't do that though. You know that's where the
bullshit is. You need to if you are going to surge the price,
you've gotta help me out. The saurus. No, the sours wouldn't be
here, it'd be the dictionary. Yeah, what is the book that has
the opposites in it? Yeah, it's the Big Book of Leif Erickson.
Like at eight o'clock, the baconator should be two dollars and fifty cents,
and then and then you get people coming in, and then it starts to
go back up, Like I just fucking budget bullshit. That's what Wendy's is.
One good three Yeah, job three, King of Queen MARYL. Street
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This in fact, has gone down as Anakin Skywalker's least favorite movie of all
time. Goo. Yes, today we were talking about Dune Follier. Do
that's right? Dune Part two? Goo? When asked if I'm in to
Dune too, I said, Dune two chicks At the same time, do
you just want to get these out of the way right now? Shut out
to west that one. When I was at the theater, I spilled some
popcorn and I said, did id doing that? All right? We absolutely
crushed that opening, folks. Dune Part two is a brand new release,
so we have not seen the audience reaction yet. We are recording this of
release night day before release. However, you're doing it here. We have
seen it. What do we see it? Eight days ago? Nine days?
We saw it a while ago, and I just thought about it a
lot. Yeah, I have as well, and I've been asked by some
prospective viewers like, hey, would you think And I always preface it to
prop it up a little bit more. I did not love the first Dude
movie that came out in twenty twenty one. I thought it was not a
miss, but fell short of expectations, A little disappointed by it. And
that said, I loved this movie, loved it, loved it, loved
it. I liked the first movie, but I feel like in this you
know, the movie came out during the pandemic, so I watched it half
on my television, half on my phone. Yep, that might have affected
my viewing. I agree, YEP. I didn't see the first one in
theaters, and this is one of those movies, especially after watching the second
one, that the theater enhances the oh so much. And also, I
wasn't even that excited to see this movie. I was pretty excited. I
think we might have had it top three or four aren't our most anticipated movies
on the year. But it wasn't something where I was like, finally I'm
gonna see Done too. I was like, Okay, Dune Tooes tonight.
Yeah. I think the little bit of the disconnect for you is I'm a
massive Denivela New fan, and you're like, you like him, but you
don't like Blade Runner twenty forty nine in the way I do you don't love
prisoners the way I do. So he's not as high on your listen's directors
as he is for me. So as we ramped up towards this movie,
as we got closer, I was getting more and more excited for it.
I actually even went back and rewatched Dune Part one the day of the screening,
like six hours before the screen to sort of try to help me two
things here at number one, having said what I just said, I am
now I cannot wait for Doune three or whatever done we get next. I
am so excited to see where this story goes. Also, let's get this
out of the way at the beginning of this Dune podcast, we have never
read a book. Yeah, and a lot of the people that came away
loving the first movie seemed to be the people that read the book or were
like in on Doune Lore twenty thirty years ago, the people that grew up
reading that for the Frank Herbert novel. Obviously, as non book readers,
we weren't those people. So this one purely as a moviegoer. That's what
we're talking about here, just moviegoers. Storytelling within dialogue, within acting,
within direction, within the cinematography, mac You went so far as putting a
note into the Nuts and Boltsier, which I don't think you've ever done before.
He deserves credit. I would give note Max credit. Union this man
all right, oh god good, you need to figure out what is wrong
with you? Can you go to urgent care. I'm leaving you my rollerblades
in my in my will, which, by the way, rest in peace.
Richard Lewis. Yes. His final appearance on CURBYR Enthusiasm was him and
Larry arguing about each other's wills, which is just so fitting. That is
really good for those two. Let's get into the nuts and Boltier. Good.
Dune Part two is a PG thirteen action adventure drama in sci fi with
a run time of one hundred and sixty six minutes. For a little bit
of context, the first Dune is one hundred and fifty five minutes, so
this is a little bit longer. Goot, PC thirteen. It feels like
an R movie, doesn't It doesn't It feel like it's It's like it's you're
so invested and it's so brutal at points it feels like an R movie.
Here is me just first off, for the next hour, just s sing,
this movie's d I never once thought of the rating during this movie.
Same, same, It just felt like an our movie, and it just
felt just like a pure movie. Like Okay, you know how when you
when you watch like you know, old Indiana Jones movies or something like,
you never think of what the rating is. Sure, yeah, yeah,
yeah, that's a good point. You were just so engrossed by what I
was just I was in that world. I had to take my shoes off
in the theater because I had sand in them. Roddy tez Go This debuted
with a ninety five percent on sixty four reviews. It is currently at ninety
six percent. And this is just critic rating here on two hundred and seven
reviews, so it's pretty locked into that ninety five ninety six ninety seven range.
Uh. For reference to the first one had an eighty three percent,
which makes sense to me. Ninety percent from the audience because you could look
at the first one as being a half a movie. Yeah yeah, and
the audience score for this, I'm guessing is gonna be around ninety five.
This is definitively let me also, and yes, we rail against Roddy Tea's
constantly. I don't know how you could come away from this movie, even
if you don't even love the story, how you could come away from this
adventure saying this deserves less than whatever. A six point five whatever gives you
the positive because its thumbs up thumbs down. As a critic, everything technically
is really good to great, if not perfect, in this movie. I
don't know how a critic doesn't like this movie. Like some of the bad
reviews, and I can see where they're coming from, is they thought that
some of the storytelling was too simplistic. But that's also that's sci fi.
Sci Fi is always that because that you have to keep the storytelling because that's
also not what you're here for. You're not here for this story, You're
here for the spectacle. No, you never hear people criticize Star Wars for
having a simplistic Star Wars has the most serialistic. It's a ripoff of this.
It's a simple version of this. Yes, so you never hear that
criticism. Star Wars is you know those dummies books like you know, uh,
Dune for dummies. Yeah, that's Star Wars. That is Star Wars
one hundred percent goo on Metacritic. This opened with an eighty on twenty two
reviews, a seventy nine currently unfortunately very good. I think very very good
and in the range with a lot of the Villaineuve movie. He's pretty much
in that high seventies load mid eighties range. At one point due this had
the highest rated or this was the highest rated movie ever on IMDb, in
a nine point four, but that has since dropped to nine point one,
probably in response to that because people are trolls. Uh good. The first
movie had a seventy three. So again, this is kind of a notch
above on both roddi Tea's and Metacritic, and for you and I both,
I think we would agree it's at least a notch above, if not two
notches above, that first movie. Yeah, I didn't love the first one.
To me, and again even when rewatching it week and a half ago,
the first thirty minutes is kind of messy in confusing, and then the
end is really unsatisfying. So like the bread of the sandwich is not very
good. The in between was pretty good and very interesting, but where it
ends and where it begins just wasn't great. Dude. Part TI Follier ed
D is written by Denis Villeneuve, whose only other writing credit is actually the
first Dune movie. The second writer on this is John Spates, who has
written Prometheus, Doctor Strange, Passengers, The Money, The Tom Cruise,
Mummy, and the first Dune movie. That's an interesting, an interesting track
record for sure. In development, he has something called Saint George and the
Dragon, the Forever War, World War Robot van Helsing that is going to
be a remake The Black Hole, the Gears of War movie, and an
untitled space adventure project. Sorry forgive Me you. Of course we talked about
it, Paul, forgive me. This is based on the novel Dune by
Frank Herbert. I believe that came up in nineteen sixty five. Heavily influenced
George Lucas's Star Wars scripts after he read it. This duo was the writer
with the Dune writers. Nah, that wasn't that good. The two writers
on the first movie plus Eric Roth, so there was three writers. I
wonder if Villeneuve brought Roth on for that first script to sort of teach him
the ropes, because Roth has an extensive writing pass and maybe wanted to just
learn how to professionally do a script, and so he didn't include him in
this one, of course, directed by Denis Villeneuve. If you don't know
who and what he's done so far, you've been living under a rock.
I would say of the last fifteen years he's been definitively the best director on
the planet. Christopher Nolan's best stuff, most of it came in the twenty
tens. He obviously is still great. Villaneuve has done Prisoners, Sakario,
Arrival, Blade Runner twenty forty nine, of course, the first two and
all within the last twelve or thirteen years. In development, he's working on
something called Rendezvous with Rama, and in production he has Dune and the Cleopatra
movie he's working on, So that's gonna be very interesting. I think you
here's your note. Yes, cinematographer Greg Fraser, give the man his flowers.
This movie is just beautiful. The long gaping time sometimes between dialogue where
you're just looking out over the sand, over the sun, the worms coming
at you, just great establishing moments. Yeah, it's one of the best
looking movies of all time, that's for sure. You did Dune, the
Batman the creator did he do Blay Run of twenty forty nine, because that's
another one of the best looking movies of all time. I just have those
three Okay. Synopsis of Dune Part two, Paula Trady's unites with Shani.
Is it Shanni or Shanny? I never quite could figure it out. It's
any Channy. It's short for Chandler Channy, Shanni and the Fremen while seeking
revenge against the conspirators who destroyed his family. This movie stars Timothy Shalomey as
Paula Trades, Zendeia as Shanni, Rebecca Ferguson as Jessica that is Paul's mother.
Javier Bardem is stillgar he is the leaders of the Freminade. Fantastic,
He's really really he's Josh Brolin as Gurnie Hallick, who is also amazing.
Those two guys. Voice is so good. And then him and bar Dem
going back and forth. I just that's what I don't We talk about it
occasionally, but No Country for Old Men is so good because ninety percent of
the movie is just him and bar Dem. And then also so like,
shalome is very good in this, and at a point in this movie you're
like, shalome is great in this. Yeah, but Shalomey is really propped
up by those two actors. Yeah, very true. That's that's he's a
scarecrow for a while and they're just carrying him around. We get Austin Butler
as fade Ratha here, who I thought he was awesome in a role that
I couldn't picture him playing after. Do you put him up there with the
all time villains, because a lot of people are doing that right now.
No, because I don't think he really has a little bit of a spoiler
here. I don't think he has the big villain win moment that you need
to be like one of the all time great villains, you know what I
mean. I also thought at times that I couldn't tell who was talking between
him and scars Guard. He actually, in one of the lead up interviews
for this movie, the other cast members were like talking about how he sounded
so much like scars Guard, and He's like, yeah, that's what I
did. I basically just mimicked him, and that's how I got the voice
for this character. I don't know if I like that, dude. Florence
Pugh as Princess Arolin, who has sort of a subdued role in this but
it seems like she's gonna mean a lot more going forward. Dave Batista's back
as Beast Robin, who is more like Beta Robin. Am I right,
Fade Ralph his brother and what's his name? The baron's son as well.
Christopher Walking in here is the Emperor not in the first movie, but finally
makes his debut here. He didn't distract me, which I'll say, how
do you like? The casting? Didn't distract me? Odd casting? For
sure? I liked it okay, good enough. Lea s Do as Lady
Margot Fenrigg. She is one of the benet Jesuit. She also seems like
she's gonna have a larger role going forward. Stellan Scarsguard as Baron harkinin He
is the head of the household. Lot less of him in this movie than
Dune One. Uh yeah, I don't think there was a ton of him
in Dune one, though he matters in big moments. Maybe I just think
back to all of his scenes in Dune one, because that's what really pops
out to me. He choose the shit out of the scenery in Dune one,
no doubt about that, and then go Charlotte Rampling maybe the most underrated
cast member here. Charlotte Rampling as Reverend Mother Moheim. She is Jessica's mother,
Paul's grandmother. She is unbelievable as like this overarching which type of character
dah? And she has flying monkeys. So to reiterate the first Dune movie,
I believe I gave it thirty three hot dogs. I might recond it
to thirty two. It was a good movie, a good setup, but
like I said, where it leaves off unsatisfying and it's also a messy opening.
Now I know more about the Dune past and like the lore in that
universe, I don't know if they could have done a better opening, but
that the opening is still pretty messy. So I did not go back and
listen to our podcast. I have never listened to one of our podcasts,
and I wouldn't recommend anyone do that. But I believe I gave it a
thirty four, but also said TBD, I NC I need to see what
happens in this movie to then really grade out the first one, and I
might give it a couple extra hot dogs. Really yeah, I might even
go the other way because I don't think there's any rewatchability of that first movie,
especially after rewatching it. Let me ask you this as we are in
non spoilers. Do you like, is it essential that you have to watch
the first movie to understand this movie? Yes, but I don't know if
that's a good thing, because now you need four hours, four hours and
fifteen minutes of run up to really appreciate what happens at the end of this
movie. And I do really appreciate what happened at the end of the movie.
This has been now talked about on the short list of greatest sequels ever,
and I think it might be deserving. So some of the others that
deserve mentioned here obviously before you go on. Sorry, I think also what
makes a great sequel is it needs to be better than the first movie.
Agreed, I'll agree, go have that sort of the gold standard here.
The one that everyone has measured against is the Empire Strikes Back. That was
sort of the og sequels better than the original Paddington Two, everyone says is
one of the best movies of all time. I've never seen it, probably
never will. Actually on tier with Empire is Godfather too. That's the other
one I ever on references Lord of the Rings the Two Towers much better than
the first one, maybe a similar situation to what we got going on here.
The Dark Knight much better than Batman Begins. Terminator two, I would
say, is probably better than the first one. Probably, Yes, is
in this conversation Spider Man Across the Spider Verse just came out last year.
I think is in the conversation Top Gun Maverick. Maybe a tier below those
movies, but much better than the first one, so sort of what we're
talking about here. I almost put that on like a tier of its own
of being like so far superior to the first one, right that it's almost
like its own thing, but yet still a tier below all the movies.
I wouldn't put Maverick up against like the Dark Knight, but also no like.
But I also think the Dark Knight is close to Begins. I know
that you don't, but like, I kind of look at those as being
fairly similar. I think Maverick completely blows the first one out of the wall.
Yeah, I get what you're saying there. Toy Story two, I
think a lot of people talk about, is the best toy story and better
than the first one, improves upon the first one, and then one that
never gets listed because I wonder if people will consider it the fourth movie,
which kind of is. It's the twenty movie. Avengers Endgame is the sequel
to Avengers Infinity War, a continuation of that story. I think deserves mentioned
in the conversation. But that's ten movies right there. This movie is not
at the top of that list. Say Empire and Godfather too at the top
of that list, but it's probably in line with the next like three or
four movies, but also and a lot like Top Gun. To me,
when I came away from Doune one, I was like, Okay, that's
not bad. I want to see where this goes. Yeah, when I
came away from this one, you were sitting next to me in the theaters.
I was like, wow, wow, wow wow right yeah, fuck,
totally agree, totally agree with that and the feeling on that before we
go any further too, if you're listening before you go into the theater,
not that you expected one, but there is no midder post credit here,
so don't you don't have to waste your time sitting in there. Although you
and I did sit in the theater for like an extra ten minutes to just
like soak it in, like we knew that there was no post credit.
I just sat in the chair and thought, Yeah, hell of an experience,
really good. Also, what might help you because the first hour or
so hour and a half, it's it's a lot to lead up. Get
a nice, big old bucket of popcorn. Yeah, really helped me out?
You did? Yeah, that you were munching away over there. I
was munching much of crunch. Let's get into the gauntlet. Oh. Also,
isn't it crazy how we went from seeing Madam Web to Doune Too as
a back to back theater experience. I don't think there will ever be a
wider gap. Ever, it's happening right now. I'm recognizing it in the
moment, in my whole life, there will never be a wider gap in
quality of movies between Madam Web and Dune. Like everything about the quality too,
Yes, visuals, every writing, acting, unbelievable. Everything is completely
different. Like this, Dune Part two could have been a bad movie,
but because I saw Madame Web before, I loved it. The meticulous attention
to detail and one Madam Web of course, talking about I bet there's gonna
be a lot of people actually too that these are their back to back theater
experiences. As well, Wow, how did that happen? Yeah, Matt
fun factor, how much fun did you have? And I, you know,
beyond the visuals of it, storytelling wise, I loved the journey.
I loved Paul's journey and the eventual buy in because there was a point in
the movie where I'm like, do I accept this man as my lord and
savior? And then something happens and you say, wait a second, I
completely I'm in with him. Yeah, I agree, Like the fun is
mostly anticipation films, Like, it's a lot of fun in the ramp up
and where we're going, and it's really fun also on top of that to
see Paul like ingratiate himself with the freemen and live that lifestyle and be accepted.
Like, they did a really nice job in that first hour and a
half making the audience believe what was happening on the screen. There was no
rush through it. Now. There was a little bit to the point where
I was like, all right, well, I want to get on with
this, But it was done quite well satisfactor and this might be one of
the highest satisfactory movies, especially when talking about the last hour of it,
because not only did you get a resolution to what's happening here, but you
get a lead into what could be ten more movies. There's something It was
almost I'm not gonna compare it to like the feeling we had going into endgame,
like the nerves Big Game nerves, But because there was so much promised
and so much built up in the first four hours of these two run times,
the final hour, and when it was coming upon us, I was
like, I really hope this nails it, because they've been setting up for
this fucking big, grandiose thing. Speaking of which, Borometer, I did
check my phone around the ninety minute mark, but it was just to see,
like, where are we time wise, and how are they like,
how are they gonna use the clock? How are they gonna Patrick Mahomes this
bring us to the two minute warning and then score the old touchdown. Yes,
Sports Against the Final hour is incredibly satisfying. But to your point,
Barometer, I also checked my phone once and it was in that like in
between somewhere between the second and third actor. Yes, it might have been
like on with like the hour fifteen to our thirty. Yeah, yeah,
it was like, Okay, we I think we need to move on here,
right, I get it now, I've bought in. I want to
get to this jumping off point, Aquator. Is this better than twenty seventeen's
Aquaman? I guess it is, and we'll find out if it's better than
the sequel pretty soon Halloween. Will this wane over time for you? And
I guess we need to see what the third movie does. That's a good
point one movie. I also, because it's so much build up, I
don't know how often I'm gonna go back and watch the first movie, maybe
never, or the first half of this movie. But the last hour,
hour fifteen of this is gonna be super rewatchful. If someone could just put
the last hour fifteen on YouTube, I would rewatch that fucking on Twitter.
Make sure you have a blue check mark pants, tensity, excite, bike
mania? What got you going from this movie? And the visuals of the
first ninety ish minutes to go along with some of the battles, the worm
riding, the anticipation, really, you know, gave you a little blue
balls, you know, riding up to it the first movie, you know,
blue balls at the end, but you know this one, you're just
sitting and waiting, and then the final hour is almost just call your doctor.
The whole movie, at least the first half and part of the first
movie is the fremen and talking about this Messiah or they say muadib lisan al
gaib, like these words that they're tossing around that you don't even really understand
what they're saying, but they're talking about the Messiah and Paul's potential is that
and even the Bennet jesuit talking about the Quizat's hoterak like Paul's ascension into that
role is what this movie is about. And the way it culminates in a
couple of fantastic moments is so satisfying in really great pants tense. It's just
the payoff and the satisfaction was totally worth the build up. And I can't
underscore that enough. Like it. It's so necessary to go through that first
four hour journey for better or worse to get the satisfaction over the final hour
Max credit union. Who do you give credit to? I will toss it
at Greg Frasier For Denny Billina way, he's recently spoken about how he doesn't
love dialogue in movies. I would argue that you could possibly put this in
another language. Have no subtitles on it and still understand the entire story.
Yeah, partially because it's mildly confusing at the beginning in English anyways. So
the visuals are just fun to look at. Great visuals. My credit ghost
at Timothy Shallowmey because and we've talked. We talked about this in the first
movie and kind of alluded to it here early on. I never thought I
could believe him in this big, badass role, like his leader of men,
this messiah type of role, and man, did he prove me wrong
good. Like the moment in this film when it flips, I was like,
ah, this is awesome. Just before that flip, I was saying
to myself, I wish he is six foot three and a little bit hunkier.
And then somehow when it happens, the moment you fucking buy in and
you're like, wow, I can't believe him buying into this. Hot dogs,
Hot dogs, for dude, Hot sandy dogs. This is a journey.
This is a five hour journey. You need to include the first one.
And it is a long one, mac and you know it is daunting
at times. It is Uh. They spend a lot of time, a
lot of meticulous time making sure that everything is correct, all the visuals are
perfect, and it completely pays off. I have Yes, it's long,
but I have no complaints about any of that. It looks beautiful. The
acting is. While there are definitely some standouts, I think there's no bad
performances. There's no one that sticks out and you're like, well, that
guy sucks right right the direction I think, uh, the director in general
deserves a lot of credit for that, keeping everyone to exactly what they need
to be And at the end of this movie, it leaves you in the
best possible way where you feel so satisfied, but then you say, I
have to wait two more years for another one of these. There's so many
different scenarios in my head right now of where they could go with this,
and I know that they're going to pick a better one than what I can
even think of. I don't always think that way. I think that I'm
smarter than most people and that I could write a better script and do a
better movie than most people. But I have so much faith in this group
that they'll do a better job than me. The only two movies in recent
memory that I have a similar feeling to and This is more of a complete
ending than those other two. Those other two and more open ended, are
Infinity War and Across the Spider Verse. At the end of those movies,
the desire for more of that story is comparable to what we get at the
end of this movie. This also does an amazing job of blending the movie
going experience with cinema. That's a really good point. It's a little bit
the way Oppenheimer did it, where it's cinema and acting and all these technical
things that are done well but on a big budget and deserves to be seen
in a movie theater. It's wonderful. It's wonderful. It's a good word
for it. MACKI you ready for this? Yeah, this is my first
ever one of these. I'm giving it a soft forty coo. I just
asked you three days ago, are you giving this movie forty hot dogs?
And You're like, Nope, definitely not forty. I keep thinking about it,
and I keep thinking about that final hour, and it's like, that's
perfect. And I accept the storytelling and a little bit of like the pacing
at the beginning to getting us there because you need all of that. Because
I love the fact that I didn't buy into this guy I am. I'm
one of those people where I'm like, I don't know if this guy's gonna
lead, and I would follow them anywhere. Now, I totally understand your
reasoning for ask me next week if I'm still forty and it's gonna change.
I'm saying right now, Yeah, it's the best movie I've seen in the
last week. I I'm comparing it to the recent forties. Like last year
Oppenheimer in Spider Verse, I gave forty. I like, definitively like those
two movies more than I like this movie, in part because there's so much
build up. There's such a ramp leading up for what happens in the final
act of this movie, so I can't. I just don't feel right giving
it forty four hours of what this movie is is it's just like clicklick click
click click click click clickick. Right, It's that for two hours and then
out of nowhere. I don't feel like it deserves forty because you needed that.
I don't know if it does either, like I might even look,
it's probably closer to like a nine point five or something like that, which
that he goes up to like thirty eight hot dogs. But I don't want
to be on the wrong side of history, all right, fair enough?
Goo goo goo goo A yes, Mac, you could have considered me and
us a Dune skeptic coming off that first movie, as we've talked about here,
and I have loved literally everything else Villaneuve has done other than the first
Dune. I think my lowest rated movie from him is a Rival, which
was a fucking pretty fantastic movie. I just felt like Dune fell short of
expectations in what Villaneuve was capable of, so heading into this movie, there
was like a lot of things this movie was gonna have to accomplish and to
deliver on for me to really like love this movie gone a full buy in,
That's the whole thing. And it was not only the promise from the
director, but these Dune people on the internet like just you wait, like
you'll see it's our friend Wesley Burough. Yeah he's one of them. No,
but him retweeting all the people, all the critics being like, this
is the best movie ever, and I'm like, let's all chill out.
And then you see it and you say they might not be wrong. Yeah,
there's like ninety five percent of the time when someone's like, just you
wait, it's never worth it. This is one of the five percent of
the times where it was totally worth it. So I am happy to report
that it delivers on everything that it promised, everything that it's supposed to be.
The story with like all these galactic houses sort of pushing and pulling against
each other is like simple to grasp once you get over the first movie.
Like, once you have seen the first movie, you now understand which and
they put this all pretty much on one planet. Yeah, so that's I'll
get into that a little bit too. But that simple story of just like
the seven houses pushing and pulling on each other, it is easy to grasp.
And then you mix that in with like the fantasy and sci fi elements,
it's awesome. Like you have like the Witch type stuff, game of
Intergalactic more of the rain. I just love messing around in this universe.
Now, granted, and this is I actually do think it's a detriment.
Now you have to do it because there's no other way to buy into the
story. But taking over four hours of setup is like it has to be
talked about. You need the four hours of setup to become invested in the
story and then everything that's about to happen and to me, and this is
why we love movies. Gou to me the best stories, the best movies.
You can get in and out in two hours. Now, I'll watch
a three hour movie. I'll watch a five hour movie. Fine, a
half hour movie like these two are. But I don't know if that makes
it better. Some might say, oh, it's so dense, it's so
in depth that you that's why it's better. I don't necessarily disagree that said,
after all this build up and this payoff, the spot that we're left
in at the end of this movie is very satisfying and simultaneously you're wanting more.
You're wanting to see what happens next. So all of that is like
not even considering the visuals the score, which the score was amazing. Yeah,
I think the visuals in the score you could have a conversation about them
sound as well. So like, yeah, we recommend this see this in
the biggest theater you possibly can and try and sit on a speaker like you're
listening to Howard Stern in private. Yeah, the theater we saw it,
and it had like the full surrounds the seats were fucking rumbling. But again,
my main knock on it, and this is what I think keeps it
out of the forty dog range is because it's so much build up. To
me, that's a bit of a flawed story, not a massive flaw.
It's just a small flaw that keeps it out of the conversation of like best
ever. It's just a slight tier below. But like, if you stick
all that out, you benefit big time, like the viewer benefits big time,
as as we did and as we're talking about so go, I have
this at thirty nine hot dogs, just one step below nine. It's the
early socks, early leader of the clubhouse for best movie of twenty twenty four.
Now I've only seen six, but it is definitively it's like two tiers
above anything else I've seen this year so far. Certainly in the conversation for
greatest sequel of all time. Probably isn't one, two or three, but
it's in the conversation. It's also not my favorite Villaneuve movie. Actually,
I have Blade Runner ahead of it, which is a fucking masterpiece that's a
forty dogger. I also have Prisoners ahead of this. Goup which is like
a borderline forty dogger. I also think Prisoners is the most underrated movie of
the last fifteen years, So if you haven't seen Prisoners, go fucking watch
that. But I do have this above Arrival, and it might be above
Ciicario too. This is Cacario or sort of back and forth for that third
spot. But this movie, you and I are echoing the same sentiment here,
coming into it not really expecting forty dogs, but expecting it to be
better than the first and then it approaching forty dogs. Is why this walking
away us feeling as this movie made me like the first one more. I
don't agree with you on that. That's probably the difference between the thirty nine
and the forty. Right here, it almost makes me like the first one
less because I felt like you still could have done some fantastical elements in the
first one, and they didn't really do it. They kept it pretty subdued.
They needed Paul to be a boy in the first one, and now
he's but he's not really like he's only a boy in the first act of
that movie, like he progresses pretty fucking quickly, not as quickly, not
that quickly like boy. And then his voice started to change and now he's
a man. So before we get into full spoilers here, we'll run through
the quick recap of the first movie and what's happened in this universe, so
pre Dune. Pre in that first movie, there was a massive war between
man and machine, with man winning, and it basically meant that all like
machine AI technology became taboo. That's why you don't really see that in this
universe. You just see people with some of those abilities, but you don't
see droids like you have in Star Wars. Spice is the most valuable resource
in this universe because that's what powers like the galaxy ships and how they get
from point A to point B and whatnot. And spice is only found on
Aracus. That's why this story is set on one planet, and the people
of Aracus, the Fremen, used to call the planet Dune. That's why
it's called Dune. At the beginning of the first movie, the Emperor takes
the planet of Aracus away from House Hearkening and awards the planet to House of
Trades, but this all ends up being a ploy to get the Duke and
his family on Arakis to have them killed. That plan was a simultaneous plan
between Mother Moheim, Jessica's mother, Paul's grandmother, and the Emperor. Ultimately,
obviously Paul and Jessica escape into the desert and meet up with the Fremen,
and we basically get it to be continued, which picks up right where
this movie leads into. Also credit is Zendaia. We haven't mentioned Zendia really
at all, great point, which is great she so I forgot his name,
sorry, Harvier bardem As Stilgar stands out. Obviously, Timothy Shallome still
stands out. Zindeia is maybe the best character in the whole movie. And
also you know that she's gonna play the biggest part moving forward. So we
were talking about this on the way out of the theater. The spoiler's spoiler,
yeah, spoiler spoilers, spoiler spoiler alerts. The love triangle that is
coming up, presumably in the third movie based on the book Dune Messiah,
between Florence Hugh's character Princess Erolin Shanni and Paul is like super intriguing, like
I really know until that plays out to the point of you know that one
of them is either gonna kill another one or kill two of them, and
I wouldn't be surprised if it's Zendia Zendea Zindia. I don't want to mess
Adia Zendeia of I believe that she's gonna be the one that kills Paul.
Keep us in mind. Also, I know nothing of the books. Yeah,
I don't plan on looking at the books. I think she's gonna kill
Paul and then Anya Taylor Joy is the actual chosen one. Yeah. So
one of the major things in this movie is we figure out I don't I
don't think we know this in the first movie. I think we figured it
out at the beginning of this movie is Jessica is pregnant with a daughter,
and both Jessica and Paul can somehow communicate, almost like an immaculate reception.
They could communicate with the daughter, sister in the womb, who will be
played by Anya Taylor Joy in the next movie. So there's obviously gonna be
a time jump between the end of this in the beginning of the third movie.
But she's also a talking fetus, so maybe she can just grow up
in a desk talking fetus. We did get her in like one dream scene.
She really just stares, but that was surprising to see her get cast
and then like she's pretty much not in the movie at all. So I'll
run through I kind of have this in chronological order here, just you could
just chime in one thing, babe. So the first half of this movie
is much of a continuation as a third act from the first movie. It's
a journey of Paul both fulfilling his destiny and also ingratiating himself with the Fremen.
So the Fremen are the people of Aracus of Doune. The people of
the north are more of these like rebellious freedom fighters led by Stillgar He's one
of the leaders there. The people in the South, which we don't get
mentioned in the first movie, we discover here that they're more like religious extremists
who don't have much contact with like any other like outside people. They are
sheep waiting for a shepherd. They are waiting for their messiah, so they
are much more ready to buy into this idea of Paul as the Messiah.
One of the big things that happens in the in the first or second act
of this movie goo is Margot Fenriggs. She's the one played by leahs Adu.
She gets impregnated by fade Ratha played by Austin Butler, and she purposely
has or is gonna have a daughter. And the whole she's a Benet Jesuit,
And the whole Bennet Jesuit thing is it's supposed to be a girl,
supposed to be a daughter. And that's why Moheim is pissed at Jessica and
Paul because she doesn't want a male to like take on that role. So
that's a big thing. Also that's going to play into the next movie,
presumably because that child is gonna be about the same age as Paul's sister,
and so those two are going to play a massive role, you think going
forward. But I am a little worried in the sense that there's so much
that I'm looking forward to in this universe, but they're gonna like automatically have
to do like a fifteen year time jump for the next movie, which,
like I said, I think that they're gonna nail this. Yeah, at
this point, there's no reason to think they won't. Jessica becomes the Reverend
mother of the Fremen after drinking the blue worm. Piss I just I had
a little fun with the worm piss. I like that it's warm, piss
didn't bother me. And that's a little like Star Wars like thing too,
Like they have quirky shit like that. Yeah, Princess Aralon has been groomed
by Mother Moheim presumably this whole time, to position herself either next to Paul,
which is a possibility, or next to fade Ratha. So in Moheim's
eyes, like she's gonna win either way because she's been grooming her the whole
time. And again, Moheim's the one that orchestrated the assault on House of
Trades in the first place and unbannounced to pretty much everyone. She knows that
the emperor is gonna be displaced either way, so she's got her hands in
everything here. This really, this movie really underscores that the Bene Jesuit are
in charge of everything, Like even if it doesn't work out in the moment,
they're playing in the long game, they're not they're not really concerned about
the in between. About halfway through the movie, fade Ratha replaces his brother
beast Robin as the governor of Iracus, And I you know what, the
one character I've been a little disappointed with is Dave Batis's Beast Rabon Robin Rabon,
He's like, he doesn't do anything cool at all in either of these
He looks cool, he just doesn't do actutely ship too. The biggest moment
coup here, and this is what leads into the final hour of the movie
and the first major pants tent for me, is when Paul ascends to this
Messiah role in the right before like when he drinks the piss and then he
has but like leading into that church temple scene, when when he walks into
that church, yes, before he even says anything, just the way he
walks through the crowds. In the middle of it, You're like, oh,
this is like it's happening, Like I'm no buying to him at all.
I was like, Okay, this is pretty good. He's he's learning
the way and everything else. But then once we go into that church,
I am completely like this was perfect casting. You nailed this. The way
he transitions his acting from like lover boy and just attached to Shanni and the
Fremen and transitions to like this messiah role, it's so like, I don't
know how many actors can do that. It's a small switch. He flips
and it's not this big manic thing he does. Whatever switchy flipped was fucking
perfect because when he gives that speech as the Messiah and the Temple, You're
like, oh, fuck, like, I'm ready to go to war with
this guy. I'm ready for it. I'm actually believing I don't yeah right,
like I somehow I'm on board here. And that's because of all that
build up and a lot it's actually because of Timothy Shallowy, Like Timothy shallow
is the reason why that scene works and why that that switch flip works,
And I just don't know how many actors can pull that off these days,
and that's why he gets my credit. Another major moment in this movie is
we find out that Paul's mother, Jessica, is actually the daughter of Baron
Harkinin And we find that out because Paul drinks the worm piss and becomes all
seeing and he's also are like yeah whatever, like they find out. He
even says like, oh, you're my cousin, right all rights before,
So now we find out. And this is why Paul is such a central
character in the main character of this whole story. Not only is the the
Duke of uh the treads family now the Duke of Iracus. He is beny
Jesuit because of his mother, and he is also in the Hearkening blood line,
so he has a little piece all over the place, and it like
makes him so central on so many levels. So again, you know,
once he gets to that temple is where things kick up and where we first
truly believe him. And then when they like plan out this massive attack on
the emperor and his emperor's people in the middle of the desert there, it's
fucking awesome. Like that is one of those moments where because four hours of
build up has happened, you just sort of get to turn off your brain
and watch the next hour without thinking much. And it's a full pants tent
for like the full hour. So Paul kills the baron in that Emperor's little
lair and then he ends up dueling fade Ratha in that like Fremen cave,
and it's such an awesome It's a simple fight, but it's such an awesome
fight metaphorically and what happens there, and I love how it all plays out.
And obviously they're fighting right there, but eralon on one side and Shining
on one side, like seeing everything come together. It's just there's so many
things happening there that is unsaid to villain news point that you don't need all
the dialogue, like your audience can read into what's happening, and that that's
my favorite scene to the movie. The temple scene's amazing and what gets me
to buy in, but the fight, the duel between him and faith Ratha
in that little cave mountain, it's such an awesome scene on so many levels.
And then you also have Gurney killing Robin like as the Hearkening is trying
to flee the planet. And then following the duel, Paul makes the Emperor
kiss his feet, which is just an awesome like a kiss the rings type
of thing, and aral On promises to take Paul's hand if he spares the
Emperor's life. And then the good lead in to the next movie or the
next actions in this universe is that the other six or seven houses refuse to
recognize Paula Trady's ascension into this messiah emperor role, and so they're basically implying
that this holy war has begun between all of these houses, and like that's
a brand new hole intriguing thing. That we can play with. And also
it really is when Josh Brolin gets into this movie, that's when it's kicked
up to that whole new notch right there, because it's, you know,
it's semi sainsy for a lot of the first part of him trying to get
these people behind him. But then once in there, that's when the war
begins. That's when he really takes that next step into being the man.
It's almost like, and you've already said this, but like Stillgar and Gurney
he said they prop him up. It's almost like it's they're the two people
on his shoulders. One's his confidence, like Gurney's like his confidence and figuring
out like where he's gonna be, and then still Guar's like his subconscious almost
you know. But also it's it's almost like at one point he had kind
of forgotten who he was or who he came he was trained to be,
and then once he's like, Okay, I forgot about my father, I
forgot about my family. My family is here now and I need to step
up and do what I need to do. And the way that Zendaia then
transitions once Brolin comes into it, like it's such a subdued thing. But
like the way the way she starts looking at him and her actions, it's
just it's so good like it this movie is relies so heavily on the moments
between Zendia and Timothy Shallomey, and they play it absolutely perfectly. It like
you could not have casted it better, they could not have acted it better.
Because for a moment, there's there's a there's a budding romance in the
in this movie, and it's for probably forty five minutes. It's so heavy
on just those two, but what's happening between just those two means so much
for the rest of the universe, and it's just it's just incredibly well done.
There's a forty five minute stretch where it's like a coming of age rom
com and still guards just hang out in the back like see told you,
Yeah, I'll sacrifice my life for you. And also like Rebecca Ferguson does
an amazing job in this, like you don't really realize that she has ulterior
motives until way too far into this movie. She seems like almost like a
subdued like fine, I'll do it. I'm just gonna do it because I'm
here my son's here. But then once she drinks that worm piss, you
realize like, oh, she's kind of a bad lady, like she's gonna
yeah, she was just doing it for her son. And then during the
duel. This is why the duel is my favorite scene of the movie,
her looking over at her mother and being like, fucking told you so,
pick the wrong side, asshole. That great. It also sucked for her
is that she fell asleep at a party with her shoes on, so they
over. Oh man, this is every fucking character, whether they had two
minutes or twenty on screen of this movie just fucking crushed it, absolutely crushed
it. Do you want to change your hot Dog score? No? No
again. I still it's hard for me to because Goo, if you're trying
to sell someone in Dune Part two, you have to tell them listen.
I know not much is gonna happen for four hours, but the fifth hour
is so amazing that you need to watch the four hours. Like, to
me, that just knocks them down just slightly. I would say, how
long do you sit on the toilet for at a time? Can you get
it on your phone? Can you watch the first movie on your phone?
Because that's what I did. Listen. I don't want to be criticized because
I didn't say it's one of the greatest movies of all time. Attack just
a tear below that. It's just a tear below that. For me.
I loved it. It's one of the best movies in the last twenty years
for sure. Yeah, I loved it. It's a great movie, fantastic
movie. I can't wait to rewatch the last hour. I can't wait for
the next movie. Yes, I cannot wait that as well. I might
be one of those people now that follows it on social media and just picks
up every little grubby detail. I'm actually very much looking forward to the New
rock Stars breakdown of this movie because I'm sure they're gonna point out shit that
we've missed. But also, listen to me right now, if something happened
in the books, I don't care. Don't tell me yeah, or tell
me. I'm gonna forget about it. I am here for the movies.
I don't care about that. But again, a big reason why the first
movie doesn't work too is because we didn't know anything about the universe, and
you kind of needed to know a little bit leading into that movie Spice World,
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live is what I do. I'm recording it live right now. Yeah,
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