WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.839 This is Dan Caples and welcome to today's online podcast edition of The Dan Caplis 2 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:07.679 Show. Please be sure to give us a five star rating if you'd be 3 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:12.000 so kind, and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every single 4 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:17.280 day on your favorite podcast platform. Let the ideas collide. It can be 5 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:22.519 respectful, polite, but let the ideas collide. And finally today, thank 6 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:27.839 you Lord. We're gonna hear someone from the other side. Is someone make 7 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:32.479 the case to keep Dave Williams's party chair. Obviously I think he should go 8 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:37.359 much more importantly, many people in the GOP think he should no longer be 9 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:42.200 the GOP party chair. But we've been calling Dave over and over and over 10 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:46.079 again, and we've had Dave on the show so many times over the years, 11 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:49.079 I can't even count it any more. But Kelly, how many times 12 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:55.799 have you invited Dave on at this point? Q plus que for hope is 13 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:58.960 my share? Don't get any response at all? No, And Ryan, 14 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.159 you've tried to reach our friend Dave also, right? Oh yeah, yeah, 15 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:07.120 we've made multiple attempts to inquire, and obviously we've asked on air as 16 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:10.760 well, over and over and over again. So I look forward to the 17 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:14.719 day, and I expect it will come when Dave will join us and present 18 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:18.079 the case for why he should remain his party chair. When I think there's 19 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:23.280 such overwhelming evidence that that for the good of all of these causes that Dave 20 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.079 says he cares about, and obviously you care about, and I care about, 21 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:30.000 and I think all good conservatives and many other Americans care about, Dave 22 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.840 needs to leave his party chair. He's hurting the cause right now. He's 23 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:38.280 a walking, talking gift to the left. And so I don't think it's 24 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.680 even remotely a close call. I don't know how the vote's going to turn 25 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.879 out, because I'm not an insider. I can't you know, headcount and 26 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.719 all of that other good stuff. Nancy Palazzi, who heads the jeffco GOPU, 27 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.879 I think, has been very courageous on this and has led on this 28 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:57.879 for Dave's ouster, believes she will have the votes. But but bottom line 29 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:04.319 is that if you're just looking at it rationally, logically, objectively, and 30 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:09.759 your priority is winning on these critical issues and including the critical issues of this 31 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:16.479 radical left administration under the guise of LGBTQ rights, trying to strip away religious 32 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:21.520 freedom, religious liberty, parental rights, et cetera. It's critical to win 33 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:24.039 on these in every issue. And if you're just talking about, okay, 34 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:28.280 how do we win, how do we stand for what's right? How do 35 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:32.639 we represent what Republicans in Colorado really are? To me, it's a no 36 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:38.719 brainer that Dave cannot continue in that position. But we're fortunate that a gentleman 37 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:43.159 who was suggested to us yesterday, Tim Leonard, former State Rep, is 38 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:46.960 going to join us at four thirty six to make the case as to why 39 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:51.039 Dave should stay in that job. So we very much appreciate that and look 40 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:53.560 forward to Tim Leonard at four thirty six. He's a former member of the 41 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:58.680 General Assembly as a representative Dan And to your earlier point, he had a 42 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.919 friend who was listening to the prom notified him and immediately reached out to come 43 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:06.360 on. Excellent, excellent, So we do look forward to that at four 44 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.280 thirty six. And let me suggest this to you, Okay, I suggest 45 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:15.240 to you that in the first two or three minutes of that interview, it 46 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:17.439 is going to be clear to mister Leonard, it's going to be clear to 47 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:21.280 you, it's going to be clear to everybody. If it is not already 48 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:25.599 right that he simply can't stay that it is not an option for Dave Williams 49 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:32.639 to stay in that job because certain things he's done are causing irreparable harm to 50 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:38.919 the GOP and these causes and it's essential that he leave soon. So I'll 51 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:43.520 look forward to that conversation at four thirty six. This to me is one 52 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.439 of the coolest things in a long time, and it's something that you can 53 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.639 do and I can do, and everybody can do, if not every day, 54 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:53.800 almost every day. I can do it every day because my routine is 55 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:57.039 I'm an early morning guy. I get up, I'm working for others, 56 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:00.439 and then I go over to snooze and I grab breakfast and then I go 57 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:04.120 into the office and get into the office early. But so yeah, I'm 58 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:09.439 eating out every morning. But whenever you eat out, you can do something 59 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:13.960 really tangible to help President Trump win. And I wish this was an original 60 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.399 idea for me, because it's such a great idea, but it's not. 61 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:21.560 It's Blake Master's idea. And what he did and he tweeted out a picture 62 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:27.879 of a restaurant bill and he had left a nice tip, and what he 63 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:32.720 wrote on the bill next to the tip was vote Trump exclamation point. He 64 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:40.319 won't tax tips, exclamation point. So, everybody in America who wants to 65 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:44.959 see Trump win, everywhere you are, every time you eat out between now 66 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.720 an election day and I'm sure you tip, just write that. Write that 67 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:51.800 on your bill, vote Trump. Now, what I would write on the 68 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:59.959 bill is is something like vote Trump. Trump says no to tax on tips 69 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:01.439 or something like that, because though, isn't it. It is, and 70 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:03.279 I'm working on it. But you get the gist of it, right, 71 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:09.160 because listen, I'm always going to be honest. Trump Trump doesn't have the 72 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:15.480 unilateral power to stop tax on tips. So I don't want to write something 73 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:19.040 on this receipt that isn't true. So, but there is a snappy way 74 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:25.399 to say it that is true. Vote Trump. Right, he says no 75 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:29.319 to tax on tips or something like that. But just get the point across 76 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:31.079 and make sure you're not like my dad, you actually tip. Well, 77 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.079 if you write a message like so, I'm always having to dad, you 78 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.839 can't tip ten percent anyone? What are you talking about? I'm like, 79 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:41.800 it's not the eighties anymore. And I understand there are some folks that just 80 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.319 don't have the money, right, But for the vast, fat, vast 81 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:46.839 majority of people who you know can't afford to leave a decent tip, I 82 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.959 do not understand those who will not, right, I just don't get it. 83 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.839 I just obviously think it's some of the best money we can ever spend 84 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:59.079 because you know that person's working, you know that person's working hard. I 85 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:03.519 mean to me, it's it's just a tremendous opportunity to be able to show 86 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:08.279 respect for that. But anyway, whatever you do, we can do it 87 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:13.759 every single time we eat out at a restaurant or tip in any other scenario, 88 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:15.600 as long as it's you know, on a receipt like this. So, 89 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.040 man, I think that could be really effective. You think about how 90 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:23.759 close some of these swing states could be, and you know, hey, 91 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:27.360 listen to state like Colorado. Will it actually be in play. Probably not, 92 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:30.480 But that's no excuse for us not doing everything we can, as Colorado's 93 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.639 to try to win the state. You know, I think we're obligated to 94 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:38.439 do that. But man, in some of the swing states, this could 95 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:41.839 make a big, big difference. Just to remind people are working for tips. 96 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:45.560 Yeah, one guy out there, the other guy wants to tax your 97 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:49.480 tips. This guy doesn't Yeah eight five to five or zero five A two 98 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:55.720 five to five text DN five seven seven, three nine. Much more going 99 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:59.079 on today as well. I'll just give you a quick overview because there's in 100 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.839 time in this segment meant to really sink our teeth into it. But National 101 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:09.720 Review out with the piece saying that migrantcy legal immigration in Denver has cost Denver 102 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.480 how much in the last year. What would you guess, Ryan, I 103 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.079 don't know. Thirty eight million. We will get you a home. We 104 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.600 will get you a home. We will get you a home. Okay, 105 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:27.000 for every dollar it's likely cost Denver according to National Review, I'd have to 106 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:31.600 push that three and forty million times. WHOA how long do you think it 107 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.480 would take me to do that? I don't know that you have enough years 108 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:40.800 left on the earth, so almost not quite, but getting toward twice the 109 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:45.519 police budget, at least one and a half times the law enforcement budget. 110 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:47.480 We will get you a home. I'm not sure i'd want to push that 111 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.519 three hundred and forty million times. Speaking of which, I'm sure you've seen 112 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:58.920 the story by now that border patrol is now tracked down eight different members of 113 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.600 ices, all with Russian backgrounds who got in through the southern border for everyone 114 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.800 trackdown? How many do you think there are who haven't been tracked out at 115 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:11.920 least send to one? Yeah, which phrases, And it's a sad question, 116 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:16.000 right, but it's one we have to talk about. Certainly, this 117 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.879 New York City councilman is frightening and we're headed for another nine to eleven. 118 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.959 I predicted that I think we should have a secure border, we should know 119 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:31.600 who's coming into our country. So do you think we're headed toward another nine 120 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.519 to eleven? If so, what's it going to look like when and where? 121 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:37.679 I mean, listen right now. And Biden had to know this, 122 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:39.279 right. I'm not saying he wanted another nine to eleven. I'm sure he 123 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.080 did, doesn't, but when he decided to open up that border and essentially 124 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:48.320 implicitly invite in anybody who wanted to come in, unvetted, essentially from all 125 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:52.840 over the world, he had to know right that you were going to get 126 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.720 a lot of terrorists coming in through that southern border. So right now, 127 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.519 we certainly it's not even a question. Right. We have a lot of 128 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:03.840 very days Jewish people who are here with bad intentions, and they are waiting 129 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:09.039 until what So what is your take on that. I've got my own eighty 130 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.440 five for zero five A two five five the number much more ahead as well. 131 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.840 But remember four point thirty six. We'll have a special guest, Tim 132 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:22.519 Leonard, who's going to take the opposite position from me and say that day 133 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.639 Dave Williams should remain as party chair. You're on the Dankpla Show. And 134 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:33.279 now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. National reviews saying three hundred and 135 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:37.919 forty million up to three forty million spent by Denver on migrants in the past 136 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.519 year, so that one of the many headlines and topics today don in Denver. 137 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:48.879 You're on the Dan Capitlis Show. Welcome, Hey, Dan uh subject. 138 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:56.600 There is a study that was done by an organization called fair FAIRUS dot 139 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:03.399 com and they looked at all the governments statistics and they compiled a study that 140 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:09.240 indicates that in twenty twenty three, it cost US one hundred and fifty billion 141 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:16.080 dollars for illegals and how many folks did they assume we're here illegally? Do 142 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:20.840 you remember from that study? And I don't. I have that study in 143 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.000 file, but I don't recall how many they estimated were here, but they 144 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.320 did give credit for like sales tax, and they'd like that suple paid. 145 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.919 So the gross number was the one hundred and eighty billion, but after credits 146 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:41.360 were given, it boiled down to one hundred and fifty points seven billion dollars. 147 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:46.039 That is costing US a year in twenty twenty three to have illegal So 148 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.559 it doesn't surprise me the costs in Denver, well, And I'm sure don 149 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.480 what Mike Johnston and other Democrats are thinking is that wait a second, who 150 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:00.639 cares these votes are priceles, right, Because that's the whole play is use 151 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.320 these people, including the children and young girls and women who are so subject 152 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.919 to sexual assault and abuse in the dangerous trip up, use these people as 153 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:13.320 pawns because they're going to turn into Democrat votes. So these Democrats don't care 154 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.519 how much it costs taxpayers. They don't care how much it costs the individuals 155 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.519 who are being used as pawns. All they care about are those ultimate votes 156 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:26.080 for Democrats eight five or zero five eight two five five text d an five 157 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:31.039 seven seven three nine. And by the way, again we'll have Tim Leonard 158 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.440 with us at four point thirty six, he offered to come on and make 159 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.240 the case for why Dave Williams should stay his party chair. Obviously, I 160 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.960 think the opposite, as do a lot of other people, So look forward 161 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:46.080 to having that conversation with Tim. Texter Dan long Ago. I voted for 162 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:50.200 Tim Leonard against Bill Owens when Bill went wildly on the life issue. It 163 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.720 will be interesting to hear what Tim has to say. As a Catholic, 164 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:58.799 I'm opposed to the LGP t agenda flag in Pride months, but that is 165 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:03.399 now not a politically viable position in Marxist Colorado. Paul with Mercenary construction. 166 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.559 Paul, thank you, No, it's not only Wait a second. If 167 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:13.960 you're talking about being opposed to say this administration's far left agenda to use these 168 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:20.720 LGBTQ plus etc. Issues to undermine free speech, to undermine religious liberty, 169 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:26.360 to undermine parental rights, to indoctrining children, wait a second. You need 170 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:31.679 to be opposed to those policies, and we need to We need to fight 171 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:33.200 in the courts, we need to fight politically, and we need to fight 172 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.480 every way we can to win on those issues. It's vital we win on 173 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.639 those issues and we can win on those issues. I think America's with us 174 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.440 on those issues. About the only way we can lose long term on those 175 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.279 issues is to do what Dave Williams is doing. Because Dave Williams is playing 176 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.639 right into the hands of the far left, who like to say because the 177 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:58.080 far left doesn't like to talk about reason and analysis and policy, they like 178 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:00.240 to say, oh, you disagree with me, you're a hater. Well 179 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:05.159 guess what. Dave has giving you the gift of a lifetime far left because 180 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.360 he is making Republicans in Colorado look like it's all about hate, look like 181 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.360 they hate gays. I mean, you could not if the far left sat 182 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:18.039 down and thought, Okay, how do we protect all of these insane policies 183 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:22.320 you know which Americans will never go for, they would say, Okay, 184 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:28.000 let's have the gopach here start putting out all this goofy stuff that says Republicans 185 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:33.559 hate gaze and Republicans go out and grab and burn gave flags and align with 186 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.159 Westboro Baptist Church, one of the most evil appearing forces on Earth. Yeah. 187 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.159 Yeah, if we can only get the gopach here to do all those 188 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:46.440 things, we might actually pull off this insane leftist agenda. So that's what's 189 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.320 going on right now. Note Paul, we need to win on those policy 190 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.759 issues I just talked about. We cannot give up. But Dave Williams is 191 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:01.000 undermining the cause. Uhhh, let's see what else do we have? Dan 192 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:07.360 and attack by Islamic terrorists may not rise to the magnitude of nine to eleven, 193 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.519 but a series of smaller attack shopping malls, church functions, et cetera 194 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.080 to and still fear in the American people. You know we're talking about with 195 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:18.440 Biden obviously allowing in so many dangerous people from around the world, what's likely 196 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.039 to come next? When and where? And I know it's sad to think 197 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.279 about, but we you know, we're adults. We have to be clear 198 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:31.480 eyed and realistic about what the Democrats have inflicted on America. And we have 199 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:33.000 to be thinking about, Okay, what does that mean for our society, 200 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.159 our politics, etc. You can bet a bunch of voters will be thinking 201 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:41.840 about that. Hey, speaking of which, really good move by Congress today, 202 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:46.559 here's the speaker before they had that vote to address the two tiered system 203 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.480 of justice in those countries we've talked about, we basically have a three pronged 204 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.440 approach. We're of course aggressively pursuing the oversight responsibility that we have. We've 205 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.799 talked about this morning. We are looking at other legislation, and of course 206 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.240 we have the appropriations and we're going to utilize every tool that we have in 207 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:05.840 our arsenal because we're required to do so under the Constitution. And I think 208 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.039 that's a part of it. And in pursuit of that, I do think 209 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.519 the contempt of Merck Garland will pass on the floor, and we're anxious to 210 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.600 have that help. It did pass, and it needed to pass because this 211 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:22.600 is ridiculous. You have this critical piece of evidence, the actual tape recording 212 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.720 of Joe Biden when he was interviewed by DOJ in connection with I believe his 213 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:33.440 obvious criminal mishandling of sensified classified information, and they won't release the tape. 214 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:39.720 The Biden administration, through DOJ, will not release the tape. The American 215 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:45.159 voters need access to that tape to make a fully informed decision on whether Joe 216 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.440 Biden should get a second term. That the fact that the Biden administration won't 217 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:54.240 release it tells you, welly, it's critical that American voters be able to 218 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:56.759 hear it. Now, I will tell you what I think is really going 219 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.799 on. Obviously they don't want the voters to hear it because Biden will sound 220 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.159 mentally incompetent on the tape, right, I mean, Special Council said, 221 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:08.159 after I interviewed the guy, I concluded, and I'm paraphrasing, that you 222 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:12.080 know, we couldn't charge him with these offenses, that jury would conclude that, 223 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:17.440 you know, he's his memory is so bad that he had forgotten he 224 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:21.840 did all this, but or in other words, just not mentally competent. 225 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:26.039 But here's the other thing that's going on. It's not quote just that. 226 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:32.159 The other thing that's going on here is is if that tape was released, 227 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:37.200 what the American people would hear over and over and over again on tape and 228 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.679 it's not getting talked about at all except on this show. Is Joe Biden 229 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:48.879 refusing to answer key questions from the Special Council. He claims he cooperated fully. 230 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:55.200 Nonsense. He refused to answer key questions that go right to the heart 231 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:59.120 of the criminality. And I'm paraphrasing, but questions like hey, did you 232 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:03.039 know you weren't supposed to take that stuff? So he didn't cooperate fully. 233 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.680 In fact, on the most important stuff. He refused to answer at all, 234 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:11.200 and you can. Democrats don't want that tape being played over and over. 235 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:18.039 So yeah, it absolutely abusive of the administration to withhold that from Congress. 236 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:19.880 And then on top of that, they go out and they lie about 237 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.839 it. They go out and they say, oh, no, we got 238 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.440 the transcript, and the transcript shows Joe Biden sharp as attack. Yeah, 239 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:30.559 why don't you release the tape? So no, I'm glad the GOP Congress 240 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:34.960 stood up on this, and listen, I don't think they're going to release 241 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:40.680 the tape because, as Peter Boyles loves to say, if you knew where 242 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:44.119 you were going to die, you'd never go there. I think the Democrats 243 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:48.480 know Biden certainly knows he cannot withstand the release of the tape. Of course, 244 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.240 he's not going to be there. He's not going to be the nominee 245 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:56.920 much longer anyway, the presumptive nominee. But I think for his legacy and 246 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:59.960 everything else, he does not want that tape out there. And for whoever 247 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.799 the Democrat nominee is going to be, they don't want that tape out there. 248 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.279 Yeah, Hey, when we come back. So grateful to have Tim 249 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:10.599 Leonard on with us, former state Rep. He's going to disagree with me 250 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:14.400 and take the position that Dave Williams should stay his party chair. You're on 251 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:21.880 the Dan Kapla Show. You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. I'm 252 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:25.039 really happy to have Tim Leonard with us. I don't know Tim personally is 253 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:29.160 a former state Rep. In CD twenty five, and we've been out there 254 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:33.559 pretty much begging to get Dave Williams on, to get somebody on to make 255 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:36.599 the other side of this argument, because as you know, we've had Nancy 256 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:41.799 Palasi on a bunch. She is the courageous GOP chair and jeffco who is 257 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.480 pushing for the removal of Davis party chair, believe she's going to have the 258 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.359 votes to do that. That's an ongoing process, so we're trying to get 259 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:52.000 the other side on and I agree with Nancy. I admire a for what 260 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.640 she's doing. But Tim is kind enough to join us because he takes the 261 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.440 opposite position. Tim, Welcome to the Dan Caplis Show. Nhi Dan, 262 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.799 how are you? I am living the dream? My friend? How about 263 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.759 you? Excellent? Thank you very much. Wonderful. What I would like 264 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:11.440 to do, Tim, is see if we can start with a full kumbai 265 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:15.359 a here, See if we can start by agreeing on something which I think 266 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:19.039 will then lead you to my position on this. Are you up for that 267 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:22.599 little experiment? Oh? Sure, I'd love it. Okay, vice versa 268 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.400 right, well of these common grounds, and then maybe I'll lead you to 269 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:32.480 my position. I look forward to that journey, my friend. But let's 270 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:40.640 start with this moment. I'm sure we can agree that Westboro Baptist Church engages 271 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:45.200 in some of the most evil behavior we've ever seen in public life, specifically 272 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:52.400 picketing the funerals of dead soldiers with signs and chance. Thank God for dead 273 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:57.880 soldiers, thank God for IEDs. God hates crippled soldiers. So we can 274 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:04.599 agree that Westboro Baptist Church is the last, the last organization on the face 275 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:11.400 of the earth the Colorado GOP would want to align with. Well, to 276 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:15.720 answer you, honestly, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about that 277 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:21.079 church or anything that they've done. So okay, well, well, let 278 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:22.319 me let me put it in the form of a hypothetical, Tim, But 279 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:29.000 Tim, don't you remember don't you remember this this group of awful humans who 280 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:33.559 would travel around and and pick it. You've never heard about any of that, 281 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:37.880 okay, but but it's all true and uh, and it's all well 282 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:41.880 documented in the media. I'm quoting from a Guardian piece on this. But 283 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:45.440 but we've been watching it for years. So just awful, awful, awful 284 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:51.880 people. And and that is what Dave Williams I believe, has done here. 285 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:53.759 And you can see it in some of the media stories on this because 286 00:20:55.160 --> 00:21:00.480 because Westborough, Dave Williams puts out this this email under the guys that Colorado 287 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.839 GOP. Listen, if it was just Dave Williams running under the guys, 288 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:08.200 he is here. I mean it is right. He puts it out as 289 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:12.599 Colorado g OP about the church. I never heard anything. Yeah, but 290 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:18.720 I'm getting there. So Dave, Dave Williams puts out this this picture, 291 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:22.440 this image, uh, and there's a video underlying it that has a picture 292 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.680 of what I think is intended to be Jesus with like these rays coming out 293 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:30.359 of his eyes. Have you seen that picture? And it says God hates 294 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:37.160 and flag picture what's that? And the other pictures, all the all the 295 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:44.359 pictures in the in the email that was captured one, but but this is 296 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:48.640 the one on the front right. God hates flags. Well, well, 297 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.480 listening in my view and I think the view of many out there, and 298 00:21:52.519 --> 00:22:00.640 I don't think it's fairly refutable. God hates flags is an obvious is an 299 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:07.920 obvious takeoff on God Hates fags, the despicable slogan of Westboro Baptist Church. 300 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:12.119 Well no, well, okay, so maybe guys like me. I don't 301 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:17.400 want to be the naivest guy on the block here, but because I never 302 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:22.200 heard of the church, but I never I didn't quite get the God hates 303 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.480 flags. I didn't quite you know, was all flags or flags? So 304 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:30.119 I didn't quite get that. But that's a marketing thing, but I didn't. 305 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:34.000 Yeah, yeah, but unless it's that, unless it's intended tim unless 306 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:41.720 it's intended to align with Westboro Baptist Church, God hates fags, that then 307 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:47.079 what would be the meaning? What would be the purpose of God Hates Flags? 308 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:51.799 I think it's an obvious takeoff on that. I don't know. I 309 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:56.440 mean, now we're in the intentions and yeah, marketing, so I don't 310 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.440 But marketing, you know, if you say, hey, you really put 311 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:03.799 out some you know, like Hey, that picture, that picture in the 312 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.559 front didn't do much as the pictures in the back. So let's but let's 313 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:11.359 get on some common grounds that we have because yeah, but let me try 314 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:12.880 to close the loop on this tim And if you disagree, and we're not 315 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:15.960 in a rush for time, you can stay all day if you'd like, 316 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.759 love to have you, but let's close the loop on this one. So 317 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:27.119 if Dave Williams has actively tried to align the Colorado GOP with Westboro Baptist Church, 318 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:32.079 then would you agree at that point he should no longer serve as chair. 319 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:37.400 Well, I have to caveat because I don't know enough about that the 320 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:38.920 other church. But I can take your word for it that it's a bad 321 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:44.960 day. And you're saying, should the chair align with a bad entity? 322 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.519 And if that's his intent, I think you have to stretch it because guys 323 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:53.720 like me read the whole thing and had no idea, didn't read any of 324 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:57.559 that into it, and just took it and face out and read the words, 325 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:02.759 looked at the pictures and and saw it. And so I think if 326 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:06.200 we were to go down and say, hey, let's go and analyze the 327 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:10.400 words, what the party stands for? What the endgame here is. Is 328 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:15.960 it good for the party or not? But I would I think you and 329 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:18.759 I have a lot of commons. Oh yeah, But but can we close 330 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.440 this sloop? And I'm happy to get a no. If you disagree, 331 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:25.440 beautiful, we'll move on and then people can judge that. But but you 332 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:27.599 can't. You can't have no comment. I mean, I guess you can't. 333 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:32.519 If you want over, We're no, No, We're not. This 334 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:36.359 goes to the heart of it, Tim, Tim, hold on, This 335 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:38.920 goes to the heart of it. Let me rephrase the question. If if 336 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:45.799 the chair of the GOP has acted to align the GOP with an organization that 337 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:52.319 protests at the funerals of dead soldiers, holding signs thank God for Dead Soldiers 338 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:57.920 and has as its motto God Hates Fags. It's their website. God Hates 339 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:03.279 Fags dot Com is their despicable website. If Dave Williams has acted to align 340 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:07.759 the GOP with them, do you agree Dave should no longer be chair? 341 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:14.440 Listen, let's talk next week. I'm that question after I get up to 342 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:18.079 speed. Tim, what more information than you need? I'm just giving you 343 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:22.359 a hypothetical and if my okay, let's let's go down to something that you 344 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.880 you enjoy more. Okay, but but but let me add another fact. 345 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:29.400 Since you're going to ponder this for a week and I don't know why you 346 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:33.000 need to, let me let me no, no, no, let me 347 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:36.599 add another fact. And you can stay all day, man, you can 348 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.319 ask me anything you want. But but to me, this this makes this 349 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:41.960 a no brainer. And with all due respect, that's why I think you're 350 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:45.359 ducking it. But let me add another fact, tim, and and and 351 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:48.960 just one quick thing. I'm the nicest guy in the world on air, 352 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.480 but nobody short of the Good Lord himself is ever going to talk me down 353 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:55.759 on my own show. So so let me add another fact. Okay, 354 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:00.200 Okay, we agree. And you've seen it that Dave Williams put out this 355 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:07.000 email representing it to be the Colorado GOP that God hates pride, right, 356 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:11.599 yes, okay, that's also directly from Westboro Baptist Church. When you're doing 357 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:15.839 your research, go to their website. It's right on their website. God 358 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:19.279 hates pride. So, in my opinion, and I don't think it's it's 359 00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:26.640 fairly refutable, Dave Williams has aligned the Colorado GOP with Westboro Baptist Church, 360 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:32.240 one of the most despicable organizations on the face of the earth. Okay, 361 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.640 okay, and you get to do that, you get. But if I 362 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:38.759 go google God hates Pride, I'm going to get the Cardinal Sins and I'm 363 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:44.119 going to get Pride the first one. And it could be next week. 364 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:47.799 God hates greed, God hates me. Well, what are you going to 365 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:52.079 get if you google God hates flax? What are you going to get? 366 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:53.480 Well? Google it up. You got your phone in front of you, 367 00:26:53.599 --> 00:27:00.279 Google it up, because what you will find is Westboro Baptist Church. Their 368 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:03.920 web domain that they paid money for is God Hates fags dot com. And 369 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.920 do you really think that's a coincidence? Do you really think that's a coincidence 370 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:12.240 that the Colorado GOP puts out God hates flags. I don't know, but 371 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:17.519 I would know. I wouldn't accuse people on that now. I mean, 372 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:21.680 it could be if you're a coincidence, that's her or something, And I 373 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:25.680 get if you're it could be, but I don't think, I mean, 374 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:29.720 unless it's your whole basis, I guess I better you know. Oh no, 375 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:32.279 no, I got a lot more where that came from. My friend, 376 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:34.880 I got a lot more than that where that came from. And and 377 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:40.599 let's talk about that. Let's talk about burning plied pride flags. You would 378 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:42.599 agree, and then we'll hit a break. You would agree that the Colorado 379 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:49.799 GOP put out a message including a flame image that that said burn pride flags. 380 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:53.720 Right, I did see that yet? Oh okay, So when we 381 00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:57.680 come back, and then I'm happy to talk about anything you want to. 382 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:00.680 When we come back, I'm I'm just going to ask you do you agree 383 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:07.039 that it would be illegal, wrong and violent for anyone to take someone's pride 384 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.519 flag and burn it? So we'll we'll ask Tim that question when we come 385 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.799 back. Eight five to five four zero five A two five five the number 386 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:21.160 you're on the Dan Kapla Show. And now back to the Dan Taplas Show 387 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:26.559 podcast had Tim Leonard zero formask at REPSIB twenty five. Tim's taking the position 388 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.480 Dave Williams should stay his party chair. I take the opposite position, So 389 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.440 Tim, thank you for being here. And the question I left at the 390 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:38.559 table when we took that break was and we opened by talking about the Westboro 391 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:42.960 Baptist Church aspect of this. But I just asked you about whether you think 392 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:48.480 it's okay for the Colorado GOP to be telling the public to go out and 393 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.880 burn Pride flags in June. Before I answer that, I just wanted off 394 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.960 a little off topic because I think get to hear your ad on your pro 395 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.720 life, your own ad, and I want to thank you, and because 396 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.279 you have done tons and tons and tons of stuff for the pro Lege Commune, 397 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.680 especially the Catholics. I think we did get to meet each other years 398 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:14.440 ago on a on a lighthouse cool pregnancy issue that you were a speaker at 399 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.480 MC and but anyway, you've got forty years worth of really standing up for 400 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.359 the thank you. I'm born appreciate it. And I know we had a 401 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.039 Texter who said that you have been a great pro life champion, So so 402 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:33.000 thank you for that. And yeah, so common grounds, yeah, common 403 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:36.240 ground, And I'll answer this one. I got. I got a couple 404 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:40.960 of things I think will do common ground. So when you asked me the 405 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.759 question, then you re asked me, you said taking other people's flags and 406 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:52.319 burning them and violence. So I know there's a little drama in there, 407 00:29:52.359 --> 00:30:00.119 but nobody was saying anything about taking other people's flags stealing property, facing anything, 408 00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:07.559 and having any violence. So whether it's a common like let's burn down 409 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:11.440 the house or you know, let's fight about this topic, those are not 410 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:18.400 meant there to be violent. How do you know that actions? So here's 411 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:26.119 the quote from the Colorado Republican Party six three twenty four, burn all Pride 412 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.759 flags this June, and then an image of a flame. Yes, yes, 413 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:37.920 I did it. I understand that the drama there was kind of exactly 414 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.039 equal to the drama of your question of should they go out and take other 415 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.680 people's flags and create violence? So it's kind of the same thing. You 416 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.119 didn't really mean that when you asked me that question. Well, no, 417 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.680 no, no, Tim, I did. Let's let's say the left put 418 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.359 out burn all Catholic churches this June. What would your reaction be to that. 419 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.039 Would you just say, oh, no, no the left to put 420 00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:02.519 that out? Didn't really mean it literally, Well, but I don't have 421 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:07.039 I don't own a cap church myself and my on my front porch. So 422 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.160 but lots of people can have flags. It could have said go out and 423 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.519 buy one and burn it. It could have said it's time for you to 424 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.079 burn your bra Oh I meant burn your flag, So it could be lots 425 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.160 of those things. And I think that if you want to read it that 426 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.839 way, I wouldn't say you're incorrect. But I don't think you should say 427 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:32.960 I'm incorrect by saying it's more of a rhetorical, dramatic dramatization of Hey, 428 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:37.920 let's get out and let's let's do the opposite of what's going on. Okay, 429 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.000 But then let me get back to the starting point question. Do you 430 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.880 think the Colorado GOP I E. Dave Williams was correct to tweet out burn 431 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:53.160 all the Pride flags this June with the visual of a flame. Listen, 432 00:31:53.839 --> 00:32:00.519 if I went through all mean tweets of Trump, you go, oh, 433 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.960 well that's it, forget it. I'm not Yes, too many mean tweets. 434 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.400 Hey, no one's perfect, so I know what I want for us. 435 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.640 Listen to some comedy. But let me ask my friend respectfully, why 436 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.440 can't you answer that yes or no? I mean, I'm not going to 437 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.799 try to twist your arm if you disagree with me. Say so. What 438 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:22.039 I'm saying is I'm right in the middle. I'm saying you can say that 439 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:27.960 it's rhetorical and no one's reading anything into it. And then you could say 440 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:34.519 there's another group, which maybe include yourself, that says I'm highly offended American 441 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:38.119 flags being burned, Nazi flags being burned, gay play. I don't like 442 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:43.799 flags being burned. And it's not about being offended. It's now nobody cares 443 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.400 if I'm offended. This is about the Colorado GOP, which we can agree 444 00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:52.559 on this, right, The Colorado GOP exists to win elections in order to 445 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:57.319 stop bad things from happening and make good things happen. Right, that's okay? 446 00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.759 Is correct? Okay, So your lifted thing, those would be some 447 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:02.559 of them. Okay, correct? So tell me, my friend, how 448 00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:08.839 does a tweet from the Colorado GOP burn all the Pride flags this June help 449 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:15.559 the Colorado GOP win? I understand, I understand what you're saying. It 450 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:20.079 may back up some things, it may not, but let's go what it 451 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:24.759 does do. Here's what it does. It reinforces things you and I agree 452 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:30.519 on, and wills do these ground things that we can stipulate to. Do 453 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.759 you think there is a battle of good and evil? I do, okay, 454 00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:39.640 and I do too, and we agree on that. Where do you 455 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:47.359 think this battle takes place? Where does it exist everywhere everywhere, like in 456 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:53.079 the studio in UH. I don't see any evil here. Well, no, 457 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.839 you do, you do. There's just Ryan and Kelly and me. 458 00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:00.240 No, you get to be the front of you the battle of ideas. 459 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.519 You get to be right in there. Not always do you get evil, 460 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.719 but sometimes sometimes you do. And I never get evil, but sometimes we 461 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:13.920 get evil ideas. But yeah, and we've got about two minutes left in 462 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:15.360 the segment, and hope we have you on the other side. Is there 463 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.679 a oh, I guess we have twenty seconds, so well pick this up. 464 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.719 On the other side, Tim Leonard is with us. Tim's a former 465 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.119 state rep. He's taking the position Dave Williams should not be removed as party 466 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.039 chair. I believe that Dave should. We've done two segments together already. 467 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:32.880 If you miss them or most of them, you can pick it up off 468 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:42.599 the podcast. We'll continue this discussion after news on the Dan Kapla Show.