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You're listening to the paranorl UK Radio
network and this is six Degrees of John

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Keel. Hello and welcome to the
six Degrees of John Keel podcast. I'm

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your host, Barbara and with me
tonight is Steve Ward. Again. It's

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been a while since I've talked with
Steve, but tonight we're going to talk

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about dog Man, like panthropy,
wolfman, all sorts of strange sightings in

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Great Britain and the United States,
UH recent research. And we're also going

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to look back at Linda Godfrey,
who really I think is the one in

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America who brought dog Man to everybody's
consciousness. How you doing, Steve,

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I'm doing really good. Excellent,
excellent. You have Mothman looking over your

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shoulder, making sure that you know
I do. You're full of the strangeness.

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There he is. If I hold
my head just right, it looks

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like I've got too intense. I
know. That was the first thing I

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saw when when you popped on and
I was like, what does he have

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on his head? So I'm glad
to know it's just mothman, you know,

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creeping on you. No, just
a tute man, little moth man.

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Well, excellent, So where do
you want to start with this?

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Because you know more about dog man
and all of this stuff than I do.

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Well, I guess I'll just start
with uh. You know, I

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was I heard Linda Godfrey on I
think it was the Jeff Renshow this before

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I think around the time of her
public her first publication, The Beast of

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Bray Road. I don't know it
had been out yet or whatever, but

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it's I think it must have.
But that's what made me go and order

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the book and check it out.
And you know, she and i'd heard

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a couple I've heard a couple of
reports prior to that of something that they

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weren't calling a dog man at that
time, but other people had encountered something

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like that. So I became fascinated
by it, and I read I read

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her book, the uh, the
Beast of Bray Road, and you know,

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it gives a basic recounting of the
sightings of this upright caned and the

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Elkhorn, Wisconsin area, especially along
Bray Road. And I have been out

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to Bray Road a couple of times
and it's only about four and a half

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miles long, and it was kind
of hard to find, you know,

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it's kind of it's a little bit
east of Elkhorn, and it's just it's

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pretty much there's not much in the
way of woods there or anything. It's

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pretty open. And now there's a
guy who actually has a a dog man

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carving in his front yard. That's
more in more recent years. But people

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are stopping on the road all the
time and taking pictures, so it's it's

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pretty cool now. He hasn't he
claimed, he hasn't seen it himself.

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He's actually a little bit further down
the road than actually people see it.

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But we can get into that later
because that'll that'll we'll pick up with Lee

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Hample's farm, who has had all
kinds of activity there and his farm is

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actually just a stone's throw from Bray
Road. But at my first time meet

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Linda was in two thousand and seven. I went to Troy Taylor's Weird Winter

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event and the Cater No We'll see
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the idea was to have the Weird
Book authors there, the two guys that

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can't remember their name but started the
Weird Books series from New Jersey. I

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think we're there. Linda was there
because she had written one on Michigan I

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think she contributed to that, and
there was some other other weird authors there

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a lot of people. About half
the people that signed up didn't show up

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because it was a pretty bad They've
been a pretty bad snowstorm. But I

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traked down from Michigan when I was
living there at the time anyway, and

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it was a really it was a
good event. And what I remember is

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I was the one in the audience
that asked her about updates about the Michigan

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dog Man. She was talking about
other things at the time. And the

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gang from Ghostly Talk. I've been
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actually lived a few suburbs from where
I grew up, so we become good

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friends. But they were up in
the balcony, and later on I heard

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about them talking about on their show
they were having all kinds of weird activity

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going on. This is supposed to
be a haunted theater that we were at.

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I don't remember the name of it, but there was weird stuff going

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on up there on the bellky.
Of course, I'm downstairs. I didn't

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see anything. Nothing touched me,
you know, nothing creepy happened. Never

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does. And later on they had
Linda Godfrey on and they were talking to

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her, and she was wondering if
it was something to do with her father,

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because she said it was the anniversary
of I can't remember if it was

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his passing or his birthday, and
she was wondering if she was going to

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get some kind of a message or
signed from him. So she wondered if

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that disturbance was anything to do with
him trying to make contact. So that

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was that was kind of cool,
but she was She signed her second book

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was out at that time, called
The Honey the American Werewolf, and so

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she kindly signed that for me,
and that's the first. So I saw

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her several times after that at the
Michigan peracn the Van Meet or Visitor Festival,

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and there's this great picture. I
had this shirt made up called braved

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Bray Road, because actually I did
Brave Bray Road. I parked in a

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I went to Elkhorn. You can't
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They'll come and tow you away.
They don't put up with that nonsense.

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So I parked in a in a
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the entrance of Bray Road, and
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got about a I was I guess
it was more like a Yeah, it

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was about a half mile there,
and I only I only went in about

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a mile and a half and then
turned back, So the whole whole ordeal

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was only four miles. But you
know, my legs were I had my

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winter legs and I hadn't been exercising
much, so they were a little rubbery

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afterwards. But so that was kind
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and of course I didn't experience anything. But so I had this T

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shirt made up braved Bray Road and
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to her husband Steve and Linda at
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And then later on I made a
couple of these posters that were sort of

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tributes to the old Ufo Report magazine. I called it Ufo Review and with

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a bunch of bogus articles, and
it's very colorful and one is the theme

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is the Mothman Festival and the other
is the Van Meter Visitor Festival. And

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so I have all kinds of names
of friends around there making up bogus articles

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and a lot of humor. I
had Chad Lewis and Kevin Nelson looking like

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men in black, and I had
Joelina who was the librarian there that the

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article was that she is the one
that silenced the men in black rather than

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the other way around. So a
lot of a lot of fun stuff like

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that. And a good friend of
mine, Brandy she uh I made her

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an archaeologist and she discovered giant skulls
and dubuque, so that was that was

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kind of funny too, had these
big purple skulls on there. But the

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best was I took that picture of
me, Linda and Steve, and uh

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I made it. I called it
RAI Road Tours and uh you know,

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putting on the dog with Linda Godfrey, And of course the idea was Steve

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would be the bus driver. I'd
be the guy that would count the number

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of people that got off at bray
rode him get back on. And Linda,

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of course was a tour guide.
So it was like dial A one

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eight hundred. Girl, are you
know anyway it was it was just a

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lot of fun to do. And
uh I had a copy for her,

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but she didn't wasn't able to make
that. Uh that one uh band meeter

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uh conference and then one was shut
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so I never got in contact with
her again, but yeah, she was.

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I just have really good memories of
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book, Honey, the American Wearable. There's a really interesting passage in there.

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Was there's a book called Wisconsin Mounds, and it deals with the effigy

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mounds in southern Wisconsin. And she
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cluster map of these dog man sightings
and that one area of Wisconsin, and

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she noticed that they were clustering around
certain types of effigy mounds, and most

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notably panther mounds and water spirit mounds. Now, if you imagine a panther

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mound, it's very very simple,
you know, you got the if you

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drew it an outline of the animal
of a panther, you'd have the head,

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a little bit for the ears and
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a short tail. The water spirit
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but would characterize them were like a
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some reason, she just seemed she
found that they were these sightings were clustering

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around these effigy mounds, and uh, you know, she hadn't really drawn

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any conclusions from that, but she
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I think, uh, I think
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there's a tradition that the uh something
about these dog men or the or these

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these spirits or whatever guarding the mounds
or whatever. I'm not really well brused

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on that, but uh so,
uh yeah, that was That's what's what

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started me off. Was, uh, you know, I've bought all her

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books since then, and i haven't
read all of them all the way through,

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but I perused, and I've heard
some of them on audible and so

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forth, and I've been able to
talk to her at length about some of

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her ideas. So uh yeah,
she really, uh she really, you

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know. And it turned out that
I'm sure you're probably foramiliar with dog man

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encounters Radio Vic Coundiff, Right,
there's just a lot of people that once

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this was sort of out of the
bag, people will said, well,

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you know what, twenty years ago, I saw something really weird, and

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it was almost like it was almost
like it began all right to have a

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big foot encounter. But man,
if you saw an upright canaan along the

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road, you just kept your mouth
shut. Because that's just went way over

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the way over the line. So
and another thing that you know, as

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you know, I recently talked to
Paul Sinclair. I got to be on

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his two hour stream a couple of
weeks ago, and then he agreed to

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be on my show. And this
guy is just just fascinating. I mean,

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you could you could actually just take
a nap and let him talk because

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he's just endlessly fascinating and you don't
have to, you know, keep the

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conversation going. He just does it. And he talks a lot lot about

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he's more comfortable with the term werewolf, I think, and he talks a

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lot about the Flixton werewolf and how
far back it goes. There's like encounters

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that go back apparently hundreds of years. So whatever this thing is seems to

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be global, and Linda was getting
reports from all over the world after a

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while as well. But one thing
that it seems to characterize this is the

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feeling of evil, feeling of negativity, and I haven't really heard that with

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bigfoot encounters and some other cryptid encounters. So there's something, you know,

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I mean, I tend to think
as a as Achillian that perhaps a lot

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of these things are coming from the
same soup, so to speak, you

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just manifesting in different ways. But
there seems to be some kind of a

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distinction between dog man encounters and some
other cryptids. Yeah, yeah, I

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you know, I like I like
what you say when when you say,

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hey, Bigfoot's okay. You know, in the nineteen seventies there was all

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these bigfoot sightings, and it got
to be kind of okay to say that

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because lots of people were saying,
well, then maybe there's you know,

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an unknown ape running around in the
woods in North America. That's okay,

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you know, but you know,
as soon as the woo woo, people

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like me come in and go,
you know, the there's an awful lot

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of descriptions of it. It's not
all the same kind of look like a

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species would generally be. You know, that's kind of kind of strange.

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And and you know, footprints that
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in a muddy field and then walk
for like three yards and then disappear again

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when it's uniformly muddy. That's pretty
uh suspicious to me. But the boggle

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threshold for for I guess normal people, not people like you and I is

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we are not having wolf man in
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That is not to be talked about. We're not gonna We're not you

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know, we'll we'll put up with
bigfoot, but we're not gonna talk about

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an upright cannid. And uh,
that's that's just that's just no, we're

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not gonna have it. So I
find that really interesting that it seems that

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the Boggle threshold for dog man has
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now going, well, you know, maybe there is something to it,

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because so many people have seen it
for so long. Right, it's taken

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a while, but uh, and
you know, and so many of these

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encounters start out where they just thought
it was a big, mangy dog and

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it stands up on two legs.
I mean, that's just got to be

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freaky. Oh yeah, yeah.
And then there's the what the berewolf people

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have seen a couple of times something
some kind of a weird I think Linda

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did a report on one. I
think it was in Michigan. This thing

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came up. He called it a
I think a what was it a?

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I think he called it a berewolfers
or something. It had bear in the

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name, and it came and it
stole a deer out of the back of

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his truck and walked away with it. And like he's gonna go argue about

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that. You know, you know
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I taged that deer and it's it's
mine. But you know, I'm not

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going to argue with mister berewolf.
Yeah, he had to have been awfully

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big to have a combination of those
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these things come from? This big
beast? I mean, it's an area

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that was somewhat rural, but not
completely. There was a lot it was.

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It was a long fish lake,
I think, and uh uh you

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know, just an under one of
these things where they show up and they

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disappear. Yeah, they're very phis. They interact with the environment and just

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then grabbed a deer and you know
it wasn't seen again. So you know,

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but uh and even you know,
in another one of Linda's books,

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I mean, just to compile confound
this thing further. It was let's see

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nineteen ninety four. The guy said
he thought it was on Route eighty one,

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Mike Moran and he's driving along just
a two lane You probably know this

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story, Oh, I remember his
name. He sees the light going through

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the woods and he thinks it's going
to be some crazy dude. This is

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night on a four wheeler or whatever, and he's cruising along and he's going

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to come up to the road and
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six or eight feet, and he's
wondering, how the heck he's going to

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get this atv down that that you
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sudden, now I don't it's not
clear if this thing was a ball,

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just a ball of light, or
if this creature was glowing, because it

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was kind of glowing when it came
across the road. But he saw a

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dog man an upright pinted hit the
road. Three steps, it was across

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the road, and then it was
gone. So we've heard a lot of

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stories about balls of light transforming into
something that goes kind of goes back to

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Paul Devereaux in Earthlight Revelation, where
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where and he gives a lot of
examples of balls of light or something that

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looks like a craft or whatever,
but then it morphs into the entity or

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whatever. It's like the vehicle or
the the orb or whatever is inseparable from

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the being somehow. Yeah. And
there's even an old mothman encounter that's kind

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of like that from Kent, England, almost three days to the Chase of

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the Mallets and Scarberries down Route sixty
two and November fifteenth. It was three

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years before in sixty three, and
these kids were coming back from a dance

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and they saw this ball of light
go down behind a grove of trees and

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then go out, and then the
light appeared again and then went out,

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and then they saw this creature which
was the closest thing to the point pleasant

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mothman I've ever heard of, because
it looked like it didn't have a head,

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had bat like wings, and it
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There's been so many other winged creatures
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mothman, and I get very territorial. Sometimes it's like, hey, that's

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not the point pleasant mothman, damn
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is. Yeah, Yeah, I
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in Texas comes close to the winged
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porch saw, but it didn't have
the It had a head. You know,

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it looked like a man with wings, but he was gray. And

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he was spooky obviously because people shouldn't
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but I don't think he had the
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not. Yeah. Well, you
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he just had been a ball of
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the things that I really find fascinating
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every culture has a story about shape
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and wolves are one of the most
common ones, right, and psychologically,

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I wonder if that's because humans have
partnered with dogs so strongly. Like there

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are people archaeologists and anthropologists who say
that, you know, humanity may not

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have ever really learned agriculture without dogs
because we would have had no really good

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way to round up herds of domesticated
animals, right, and you know,

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because I mean, people can run
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dogs are way better at that.
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from wolves, and we know that. I think even you know, even

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after we'd had dogs for you know, quite some time, before we started

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writing a lot of stuff down.
I'm sure everybody realized that those dogs are

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regionally were those wolves and humans were
afraid of wolves. Now, I want

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to know if if we were afraid
of wolves because we lived closer to the

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outside, you know, at one
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of them, because you know,
zoologists will just tell you now that most

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wolves will never approach a human,
right. They are more afraid of us

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than we are of them. So
where did this image, this fearsome beast,

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this horrifying creature come from? And
I find that interesting if it's maybe

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the dog is the is the the
good cannid, and then the wolf is

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the shadow being, just like humans
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sides. Maybe that's the shadow side
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know. I was. I was
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I actually one of the few times
I went to the library to research,

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I got the Encyclopedia Britannica out and
to learn about werewolves, and uh

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it talked about how, uh,
you know, sometimes people would wear some

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kind of a belt or garment,
and sometimes they would use some kind of

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magical herbs or whatever, Uh wasn't
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these dog man creatures, are not
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couple every once in a while,
she's got a story in there about somebody

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that claims to have seen a transformation. Now that's one of those areas where

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I kind of hit a wall,
and I'm kind of like the uh,

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the people that hit a wall with
John Keel or some of them want things

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accept you know, and I think, well, maybe maybe I'm not being

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open enough. But that's that's a
real tough one to accept. A physical

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transformation. Of course, we have
the lore of the skin Walker, which

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is supposed to do that. And
you wonder if that's uh, if it's

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if it's a physical transformation, if
it's more of a projection of something.

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I don't know, but I yeah, I don't know. That's a that's

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a good point. I don't know
why. Uh, you know, Uh,

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I guess there were other animals that
they believe people could change into.

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the prominent one, the big Yeah. Yeah, I don't necessarily well,

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okay, so you went to the
library to research where wolves. I

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did the same thing. Yes,
and I was faster say about it.

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I know it says that were weird, really weird. But I remember reading

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about the disease of like aanthropy,
where it's a mental disease where you believe

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that you have become a beast,
usually a wolf, and I thought that

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was so fascinating. And there are
cases of men who would do these rituals

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like a belt. You had an
enchanted belt and you put it on it

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was made of wolf skin and then
you could turn into a wolf. But

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there are cases of men who had
like aanthropy or believed they had done these

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rituals correctly, and they would go
out and kill other people, and some

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of them were cannibals. And this
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So I'm so excited that I learned
about this. I was spending the weekend

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with my grandparents and we sit down
to lunch. And Grandma made three hot

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meals a day, so she was
she was busy all the time. But

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you know, we sit down and
I said, Grandpa, guess what I

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learned about And he said what?
And I said, did you know there's

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a disease called like canphropy And then
dah dah, da da dada. I

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started talking about how they, you
know, attack people and there are these

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woodcut illustrations and I described them and
he was He just looked at me and

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he went, can this this is
not something to talk about while we eat?

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And I said why, He's just
just no. And it's not like

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he was squeamish. She was a
farmer, you know, I helped him

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butcher animals. So I was kind
of like, what's wrong with him?

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And then I said, do you
want to hear about porphyria? And he

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said no, I don't. Well, there's there's another disease. There was

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a case in uh oh, England. I can't can't pull out the details,

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but that there was some kind of
an ailment where people grow all kinds

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of hair on their face and remember
it's called yeah. And I think that

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some of those some people were kind
of locked away and seen every once in

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a while, and that would give
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of some type. Yeah, that's
a genetic disorder and h I think it

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was. The King of Spain had
a person in his retinue who was afflicted

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with that. It was a woman
and you know there are portraits painted of

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her with this long hair on her
face and hands, but she's wearing the

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really beautiful court gown and he got
for her a good marriage. Actually it

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was the queen who did that.
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and so people people would see that
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wolf. But as you said,
Paul wil Sinclair was talking about tradition in

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England of people having seen these these
upright canids going back one hundred years,

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hundreds of years, right. And
he's got this great documentary called wolf Lands.

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And I should say that he has
four books out called Truth Proof,

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The Truth That Leaves No Proof,
four volumes, and one called Night People

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I Believe, which is autobiographical.
And I tell people avoid Amazon US and

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UK. They've gone to third party
pirates. I'm fine with capitalism, but

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man, these guys are gouging death. If you go, you can.

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I don't have the actual website,
but if you google Paul Sinclair Books UK,

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I think you'll find where you can
buy his books direct from the UK.

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The shipping might be a little pricey, but the price of the books

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to be reasonable, and I've ordered
the Fourth Truth, Proof and The Night

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People because it wasn't didn't show it
available in anything other than kindle here,

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and I'd love to have the book
in my hands, So those are on

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the way. And I've also ordered
a hard copy of the wolf Lands documentary,

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but you can stream that for just
a few bucks on Amazon US or

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Amazon UK and it's absolutely I told
Paul how well it was done. The

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production values are amazing, the editing, the music composed for it, and

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the way the narrative unfolds. He
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this beast, whatever it is,
and again Paul's more comfortable with calling it

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a werewolf, and he takes you
around to these people and he jumps back

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and forth to the different witnesses,
and it's with the purpose of showing the

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patterns that are there, the similarities. And when you see these people talk

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about their experiences, they were terrified, these are these are very sincere people,

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and it's it's just so well done. It's so atmospheric. Uh,

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It's it's like kind of like watching
a horror movie, you know, a

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well done horror movie. But it's
it's based on something real and I hardly

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recommend people watch it or or order
it. And it's just again just amazingly

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well put together. Yeah. Yeah, he's a good writer. I've read

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truth Proof up to three and The
Night People. I was dumb and read

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The Night People first. It was
super creepy and and it, boy was

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it creepy. So you know,
I was I took notes in it for

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for my research, and you know, I was just kind of like,

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oh my god, I'm afraid of
the other ones. But they're much less.

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I mean, they're still fascinating.
They're about his encounters and investigations of

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UFOs in Yorkshire and the surrounding areas
up in the north of England. But

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it isn't as scary. I mean, yeah, there's a couple of times

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when you when it's scary and you're
like, oh, well, okay,

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yeah, maybe I shouldn't have read
this at night. I'm dumb. But

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he talks about the Flixton werewolf.
He talks about large black panthers. He's

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chronicled and even photographed a lot of
strange lights orbs on the land and out

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to sea, and these are not
you know, uh lanterns Chinese lanterns or

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or flares or anything like that.
And it you're just really well told.

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I mean you feel like you're you're
there with him on the cliffs experiencing this.

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Yeah. And then he in his
books he uh he uh, he

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has just a very nice approach with
people, and he's made all kinds of

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inroads. Uh. He can go
to some of these uh captains that run

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boats and he can look at their
logs, you know, and and see

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what they've gone out to perform a
rescue or whatever. And he talks about

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missing people out of it. It's
like us of David Politis missing four one

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one and this is North and East
Yorkshire and uh, you know, get

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concentrated in a relatively small area,
but incredibly active and uh you know,

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he's just he just has such a
great way with him with himself. He's

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just such a down to earth guy. Yeah, and uh, just very

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very credible. Oh yeah, I
think so too. And there are lights

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on and in the water too and
under the water. Well it talks about

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a like a triangle with the light
on each corner just under the water.

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Yeah, and then he says it's
so creepy, Yes, and he says

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in one case, there were some
kind of UFOs or whatever plunging into the

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water, but it was so shadow
there, even in high tide, it

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didn't make any sense. You know, where were they going? Right,

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why did they disappear? It's not
that far down. Yeah, yeah,

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I really like his books, and
and he there are also lots of other

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weird you know, there's some strange
humanoids and and just all kinds of stuff

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happening. And it's animal mutilations.
Oh yes, they're sheep. A lot

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a lot of sheep mutilations, and
some seem to be surgical. You know

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that people want to blame it on
these large black panthers, but it doesn't

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always make sense. And and oftentimes, just like other sometimes bigfoot reports where

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animals are slaughtered, chickens or whatever, they're not eating, they're just slaughtered.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's like like
Keel when he talked about uh uh,

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you know these things sort of coming
into existence, sort of acting like

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animals while they're here, and then
melting away. Yeah. Yeah, Like

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they are physical for a very short
period of time, right, and they

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leave physical traces, but then they
just the traces just end that the footprints

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end the you know, it doesn't
make sense the animal, you know,

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disappearances or mutilations stop right, And
yeah, it's it's disturbing. All of

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it's very disturbing. And Paul's very
open. I mean a lot of times

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you'll question, you know, how
can this be a physical animal? You

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know why because it kind of disappears, it goes away. Are we dealing

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with something another type of reality that
we step into or whatever. So he's

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always asking these questions and trying to
deal with the reality of the way these

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things exist and manifest. Yeah,
yeah, it's he's a very very thorough

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researcher. And you're right. I
like the way that he writes because it's

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very immediate, so you can you
can feel and and see. His descriptive

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ability is very strong. I really
really enjoy his work. So eventually I'm

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00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,679
going to have to have him on
the on the podcast. Yeah, you'll

407
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,960
you'll, like I say, you
can probably go just take a nap and

408
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,519
listen to it because he's he's just
so good. You know, you don't

409
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,119
have to prompt him. You know, I had I wanted to stop him

410
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:36,000
every once in a while because I
had a question, but uh, and

411
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,039
there's so there's a uh just so
many he had this uh, this one

412
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:43,880
incident. I won't go into it
too much. I want people to uh

413
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:46,400
listen to him tell it or read
the book. But in the first book,

414
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:52,079
remember he has that weird he and
his wife encounter that weird many bicycle.

415
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,920
Yep, yes, yep, yes. He said, you're bringing down

416
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,519
the light. Yeah, you're you're
you're angering people or whatever. And so

417
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,719
I got Paul to tell that story
toward the end of the interview and I

418
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,880
said, well, and this guy
was so weird, and I said,

419
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,960
well, Paul, you are bringing
down the light and you're making a lot

420
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,079
of people angry, you know,
officialdom and even the average person that doesn't

421
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,440
want to deal with this. So
it's kind of funny that this whoever this

422
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:21,840
dude was, he was right on
the mark because that's what Paul has been

423
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,079
doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will definitely have him tell that

424
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:29,280
story because that was what I was
thinking of when I said the strange humanoids

425
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:36,119
or whatever's you know. Although he
did have the experience with his cousin and

426
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,039
the dude at the rock when he
was a kid, and that was see

427
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,079
so creepy. Yeah, yeah,
and then there was a classic man in

428
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,559
black encounter with I don't remember the
guy's name, but a friend and colleague

429
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:50,960
of his. The guy had seen
some kind of a UFO or light and

430
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,559
these dudes came to the door with
no eyebrows ad dressed like classic men in

431
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:59,880
black, telling him he's got to
stop his research. And I think,

432
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:05,000
and you know, every once in
a while you come across you know who

433
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,880
Linde sigmund is. Yeah, Okay, More she came forward more recently with

434
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,599
her a mothman sighting from well,
it was April of sixty seven, I

435
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,880
think. She said she was about
sixteen, and she and her boyfriend were

436
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,760
sitting on the front of the hood
of a car watching the stars. They

437
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,559
saw this orb show up, and
then they saw another one. He decided,

438
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,599
I'm really abbreaviating this. He wanted
to get the heck out of there.

439
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:36,119
And they're driving away and she's looking
out out the window and she sees

440
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:42,480
this mothmanlike creature next to one of
these lights. And the thing is that

441
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,440
she even had missing time. But
the sort of the PostScript to all this

442
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:52,159
was the beginning of December. The
same December sixty seven, when the bridge

443
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:57,119
collapsed in twenty fifteen, and that's
coming up. The anniversary is coming up

444
00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:02,760
in a few days. That's just
taping. She was downtown Point Pleasant and

445
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,800
she saw this strange man standing outside
a building and he was in classic,

446
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:15,360
you know, fedora black clothes.
And she got closer she noticed his skin

447
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,840
had a weird pallor, had a
weird coloring, and it was wearing sunglasses

448
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,719
at night. And then she looked
down the street and there was another one

449
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,480
of these guys leaning them against a
light pole. And I think, you

450
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:30,400
know it was And I said,
when did you? When did this clique

451
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,800
as to what this was? It
was wasn't until she read the mock Band

452
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,480
Prophecies by John Keel some time later
that she thought, oh my god,

453
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:43,760
that's what I experienced. So it's
weird because we tend to want to try

454
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,639
to explain these as you know,
just government types or just some creep that

455
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,280
was hanging out, you know and
causing trouble. But man, you know,

456
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:59,079
you get into some of these encounters
and there's something just totally bizarre there

457
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:06,440
that's uh, it's almost incomprehensible.
Yeah, yeah, the the the unearthly

458
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:15,119
pallor the lack of eyebrows, kind
of weirdly plastic looking skin, like really

459
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,760
artificially smooth looking, you know,
because you guys, you don't like,

460
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,599
you know, fix your pores and
stuff. You just you just wash your

461
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:27,639
face and you go right. And
I do the same thing. But you

462
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:32,599
know, most men don't have that
perfectly smooth skin, you know. And

463
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:38,119
and that is something that I would
notice immediately. I mean, they all

464
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:43,519
have that kind of uncanny Valley look. It's like, well they're they're like

465
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,239
a guy. They look like a
guy, they look like a and then

466
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,480
they get too close and then you
go, wait a minute, yeah something,

467
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:55,079
and then the the sometimes the movements
the way that they just can't And

468
00:38:55,679 --> 00:39:00,920
I even wondered, I think due
to some of Nick Redford's I wondered if

469
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:07,000
some of these these characters were actually
sent out by a faction of the government

470
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,719
to behave in strange ways to kind
of throw people off. I mean,

471
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:17,719
the government does all kinds of bizarre
tests and yah and schemes that they eventually

472
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,280
forget about or whatever. But I
just wonder if they sent out maybe hundreds

473
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,239
of these clowns to act weird and
figuring that some of them would be picked

474
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,800
up into the lore. But that
doesn't explain everything, No, it doesn't.

475
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:37,400
It doesn't. So have there been
any kind of men in black encounters

476
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:40,960
that go with dog man sightings or
wolfman sightings? Oh, well that's a

477
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,239
good question, Not that I know
of. They seem to have shown up

478
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,920
with some of the bigfoot reports.
If you look at the you know,

479
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:59,159
Stan Gordon silent invasion, there were
men that showed up and seeming to destroy

480
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:04,320
evidence. And too there was that
crazy case where the guy uh took a

481
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,920
shot. Uh. Uh, he
didn't actually shoot them, He was a

482
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:15,199
used tracer on the shelves over these
bizarre looking bigfoots after seeing this strange craft

483
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:22,320
seemingly to land and uh, it
was so crazy. The the uh the

484
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,480
local uh uh state state cop actually
saw one of them in the dark and

485
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,960
uh later on standing his team came
out. This guy had a weird spell

486
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,519
and collapsed and uh when he was
growling and everything, and yeah, he

487
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,920
thought he was possessing it or something. But he had a he had a

488
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,840
vision of a man in a cloak
and had all kinds of uh, had

489
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,800
all kinds of predictions, but he
didn't remember any of it. I mean,

490
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,119
it's it's just more complicated than that. But you had strange lights,

491
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:57,760
you had these bigfoot creatures that that
seemed to vanish. But then afterwards,

492
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,239
uh, they stand in his team
wanted to put him under hypnosis, and

493
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,039
they thought, well, with that
weird spell he had, maybe we better

494
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:07,159
just leave it alone for a while. And I think it was as much

495
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:12,119
as two years later they came to
him and they said, would you mind

496
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:15,280
if we put you under hypnosis doing
that? And he said, what do

497
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,519
you mean? You guys came back
two weeks later and a man dressed like

498
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,760
an Air Force officer and a man
in playing clothes implied apparently they were Stan's

499
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,159
team, and they put him under
hypnosis, said we'll get back to you.

500
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:31,679
Of course they didn't, and he
said they even showed him this,

501
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:37,960
this portfolio with photographs of bigfoot like
creatures and UFOs at least this is what

502
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,519
he claimed, and wanted to know
if what he saw looked like any of

503
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,360
these pictures. So, you know, I don't know what to make of

504
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,199
that, but that's sort of your
you know, key you talk about the

505
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:53,880
man in black as a generic term, not necessarily, you know, in

506
00:41:54,159 --> 00:42:00,559
dressed in the Black garbe But so, yeah, this is a well,

507
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:05,280
that's a good question. I wouldn't
be surprised if there have been some.

508
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:12,599
But you know, there was that
weird case and the Linda talks about in

509
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,719
the beginning of the Beasterbury Road where
I think it's Lori and Drezzy was one

510
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:22,519
of the original witnesses that brought it
to Linda's attention, And then she was

511
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:27,199
writing for the week was a little
local newspaper, and she went to the

512
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,760
local sheriff and found out he had
a file that said werewolf because he'd been

513
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:39,239
getting these reports. But she was
talking to John andres No John, I

514
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,519
can't think it was last name,
but he was at the animal control officer,

515
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,800
and she thought she had the impression
that this thing was very negative or

516
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,079
whatever. He was skeptical about the
whole thing, but they were talking about

517
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,280
they started talking about the possibility of
some kind of cult being involved, and

518
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,800
then all of a sudden, several
books flew out of the shelf in the

519
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,719
office and nobody had slammed the door
or anything like that. So now here

520
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,039
you're just talking about it. I
mean, how many times have we heard

521
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,599
uh things about Poultergeist phenomena or something. I mean, how many people that

522
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:16,079
saw the Mothman had an outbreak of
Poultergeist phenomena afterwards? And how do we

523
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:22,639
reconcile this as a flesh and blood
unknown creature? You know? So yeah,

524
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:29,320
it just it just seems like you
dropped the pebble in the water and

525
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:35,079
these the the rings go out and
they just they just keep going and they

526
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,880
touch all kinds of different things.
Is this not nothing is static? You

527
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,840
know, it's it's uh, it's
just there's so many uh uh now and

528
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,079
when you mentioned uh, you know, footprints appearing out in the middle of

529
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:53,000
nowhere. That brings me back to
Lee Hample. Now, Lee Hample has

530
00:43:53,039 --> 00:44:00,199
a farm. He was a uh
well, degrees in mathematics and chemistry.

531
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,199
He taught mathematics for decades in Illinois. And this guy's a scientist. So

532
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:13,519
he got this farm over ten years
ago and he's making hay. Sounds funny,

533
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,719
but he's enjoying his retirement and making
a little money and keeping busy.

534
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,880
And some of his neighbors said,
you know, there's a werewolf that lives

535
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,719
in those woods back there. He's
looking at him like, what are you

536
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,239
talking about, and then several credible
people were telling him what they had seen.

537
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,559
And then one night he saw it. He saw it in the dark,

538
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:39,320
and later on he realized he was
missing about an hour of time.

539
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:45,960
So he started setting up track cameras. He's got thousands of photographs. I've

540
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,760
been able to speak at the Beast
of Bray Road conference a couple of times.

541
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,039
And what they do is people that
go to that Lee hamp will have

542
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:58,480
him over to his farm just for
a small fee and for two hours he'll

543
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,559
show you photographs he's taken with trap
cameras and all the bizarre things that are

544
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:08,360
going on. So you have I
mean, he's got these footprints in one

545
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,159
case in the snow. They start
in the middle of nowhere, and then

546
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:19,599
they split off almost like this thing
divided like an amoeba into two of them,

547
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,960
or maybe his buddy was on his
shoulders, you know, when they

548
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:32,239
manifested. But it's and then they
disappear, and they're five toes, five

549
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,440
toes, a pad and a heel. And he says when he looks at

550
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,159
these tracks, he thinks there's maybe
four or five different creatures because they're not

551
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:45,000
all exactly the same and whenever he
tries to, I mean, he leaves.

552
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:49,960
These things act like animals. They
eat bait, they eat roadkill.

553
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:55,199
He sets up cameras with the bait. The cameras don't function for the most

554
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:59,280
part. When they're there. He's
gotten, like I think he's actually gotten

555
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,440
some pictures of them. He keeps
a lot of these things close to his

556
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:06,880
vest, and that there are some
where you could see part of like the

557
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,239
ear or whatever. I guess it
could be Scooby Doo or something, but

558
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:14,079
I don't think so. But he's
got something. But then he's got there's

559
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:17,760
some kind of technology or something going
on. There's like there's drones in the

560
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,960
sky. There's things that look like
they might be a portal, some kind

561
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,480
of energy ball or whatever. There
just there are things that are almost incomprehensible

562
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,599
when you there was this one image
where you see something that looks like a

563
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:37,440
black snake sort of suspended in the
sky, but it's just oor cord or

564
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,960
something. And then he moves the
over to the other side of the picture

565
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,079
and there is a kind of a
boxy looking thing with balls on it or

566
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:50,639
wheels or something kind of suspended in
the air, and you're trying to make

567
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:57,599
sense of this is something something bizarre
going on. I don't know if it's

568
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,719
a place where the air is thin, so to speak, or if it's

569
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,840
a grand central station between dimensions.
He had another another photograph of a classic

570
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,760
flying saucer, a black flying saucer
zipping around a tree. You can tell

571
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,800
by the time stamp, but it
was just like a matter of a few

572
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:20,239
seconds and it just like it appears, zips around and it's gone. He

573
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:28,039
has had now he was. He's
let me use some of his images.

574
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:31,599
He put some of them on Coast
to Coast am and he gave me he

575
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:35,519
was on my show and he liked
the way it went. So he has

576
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:39,840
allowed me to use some of his
photographs and presentations. But the ones I

577
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:45,199
don't have is he's had several road
killed deer because of the highway he's on.

578
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:50,239
Well, he's pulled them on his
property. He sets up a shraft

579
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:57,239
camera and it's night and you can
see a missed show up with the time

580
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,880
stamp, and then the carcass is
gone, no drag marks, no footprints.

581
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:07,719
And this has happened maybe a dozen
times. It's just you know,

582
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,599
it's it's it's just mind blowing.
And so, you know, I wonder

583
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,400
what I've tried to speculate as to
what's going on. Is there really some

584
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:20,440
kind of other intelligence there? Are
they? You know, if we think

585
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,480
about tulpas and monsters from the ID
and and all that sort of thing.

586
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,400
You know, a wonder do these
things create these constructs, these temporal beings.

587
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,800
Maybe they don't just happen and they're
supposed to scare people away, you

588
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,639
know, now, if that's there, if that wild speculation is correct,

589
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:44,079
they might be all wet because people
are flocking there to see these things,

590
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,800
so they're not really scaring people away, they're attracting them. But you know,

591
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,239
I just can't It's so hard to
wrap my head around now. And

592
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,119
then I don't know, if you
know the Bucks County guys, Eric Mentel

593
00:48:55,199 --> 00:49:01,960
investigates, Okay, they were out
there a couple of years ago along with

594
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:08,039
Ellen Collins, and it was Eric
Mintel and Dominic Setel dominic As they were

595
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:17,280
sensitive and they were out there and
at night and they they start to hear

596
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,000
this howling. You know, they've
got it on on their YouTube video.

597
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,880
You hear this howling off to one
side and then howling over here creepy as

598
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,280
hell. Now, I wouldn't be
able to tell you an animal howl from

599
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:35,440
Marsupial, you know, I just
wouldn't be able to do it. So

600
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,519
but they were saying eyeshine about six
feet off the ground. They also be

601
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:44,599
prior to that, they actually saw
a lightless guy they thought was a satellite,

602
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,239
and then all of a sudden zipped
across the sky and then a mysts

603
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:52,400
started a form and the mysts have
there. There's a photograph of Lee Hample

604
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,199
in the daylight. There's a mist
surrounding him on the on the picture,

605
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:00,599
but he didn't see it when he
was there, So, you know,

606
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,000
mister around that place, it could
have been just basic atmospheric conditions. You

607
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:08,000
know, had rained earlier in the
general area, so maybe that was it.

608
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,679
But they were really getting freaked out. And even even Eric, who

609
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,360
usually doesn't these things, don't bother
them. So I asked Dominic on my

610
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,039
show. I said, Dominic,
what were you feeling like out there being

611
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,079
the sensitive And he said, I
felt like I was in a short tank

612
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:30,480
underwater holding the bait. And they
decided they were going to get out of

613
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:34,320
there. They just they had enough
and they weren't there very long. So

614
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,519
and the ironic thing is a week
later, they're in the pine barrens,

615
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:42,719
or like five miles deep into the
pine barrens with a couple of seasoned bigfoot

616
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,480
researchers and they're hearing things like whoops
and knocking and all that sort of thing,

617
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,159
and Dominic felt like it was a
day at the beach. He wasn't

618
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:53,639
freaking out at all. It was
just very calm. There was something about

619
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:59,280
that experience that really really and I
could hear things moving in the corn.

620
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,320
So well, corn's creepy anyway,
that's right. Stephen King ruined corn for

621
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:12,159
everybody. Yes, that's right.
But yeah, now does Lee have problems

622
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:17,000
with like poltergeist stuff on his farm
or in his house? That's that's a

623
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:22,840
good question. Oh well, when
when we were there with cars were parked

624
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:29,239
there, a friend of mine's car
lights started a flash, you know,

625
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:34,480
like if you yeah, And even
when she went to a motel that night,

626
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,960
she said they were still flashing into
the wind. You know, it

627
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,960
was one of these motels with the
door is right there that the car was

628
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,760
still the light, the lights were
still flashing. And that happens to a

629
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,400
lot of cars in that area.
So I haven't heard of anything like poltergeist

630
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,039
phenomena in his house. But he
had had another another issue with missing time

631
00:51:54,320 --> 00:52:00,679
at another time. And he's seen
this thing two or three times and even

632
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,119
got a photograph of it from a
distance. I mean you could see it

633
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,159
at arm's length. That doesn't look
very high. But he has some kind

634
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:09,599
of a program that would tell you
how tall this thing it was, and

635
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:15,079
it was six feet tall, and
you could see it sometimes it was huntered

636
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:17,760
down on all fours and sometimes it
was standing on two. This is in

637
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:24,280
broad daylight. So there's something truly
bizarre going on there. But I said,

638
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:31,800
what I can't wrap my head around
is this this incredible conjunction with apparently

639
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:37,320
some kind of technology, uh guide
and there's some kind of an intelligence there

640
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:44,159
that is helping to cloak and hide
these things from the cameras. Yeah,

641
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:46,599
and when and Eric said, when
they were out there that night, the

642
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:51,039
camera's completely failed. They didn't take
any pictures of them when they were out

643
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:54,280
there. Yeah. Yeah, they've
had problems with that out at Skinwalker Ranch

644
00:52:54,360 --> 00:53:01,000
too, right. Yeah, that
you know cameras, they'll place cameras and

645
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,199
stick them down with duct tape and
electrical tape and all kinds of stuff,

646
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:10,679
and it'll get ripped off way up, you know, twenty feet up a

647
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,119
pole that had its slippery and you
know all of that kind of stuff.

648
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:20,360
And I mean there's a part of
me is like, dudes, it's gonna

649
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,079
not let you take pictures. It's
just not. It's not gonna. Now,

650
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:28,480
you should keep trying, but don't
be surprised that you don't ever get

651
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:35,159
a picture. That's that classic case
that I remember listening to Colin Kellerher and

652
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,480
George Knapp on the Coast to Coast
a m with Art Bell years ago when

653
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,480
before even the book The Hunt for
the skin Walker was written, and we

654
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,400
get these tantalizing stories about what was
going on out there. And that was

655
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:52,440
when they had something like four or
five cameras way up on the poles aimed

656
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,079
in an area that was a lot
I had a lot of activity, and

657
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:00,840
one camera stayed operating. As I
remember, they went back to look at

658
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,159
that footage and they could see some
of the like the red dot on some

659
00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:07,880
of the other cameras, and they
could see when the red dot went out

660
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,639
when, but they couldn't couldn't get
the resolution to see that they that they

661
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:20,119
had and it wasn't just an internal
mechanical failure or electrical failure like you say

662
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,119
that the uh, the cables were
ripped out, Yeah, physically ripped,

663
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:30,480
Yeah, violently. That's That's one
of the things that that struck me about

664
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:40,039
it is that it was not just
disconnected or the battery taken out or the

665
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:45,280
battery drained. No, it was
torn. They were torn up. You

666
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,320
know, the the whatever they used
to adhere it to the pole would get

667
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,000
ripped apart, and then pieces of
the camera itself would be torn. And

668
00:54:55,039 --> 00:55:02,320
so yeah, that's that's also an
intimidation tactic. That suggests a direct intelligence

669
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:07,519
and consciousness that knows exactly what's going
on. And they took a direct route

670
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:13,000
to stop it. Yeah, yeah, took a very direct route. And

671
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:19,079
you know, again that's an intimidation
tactic. It also worked to terrorize the

672
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:24,480
humans who it apparently thought of as
its enemy, right whatever it is.

673
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:31,239
Well, remember the incident where I
guess this is again before I think Bigelow

674
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:36,920
still had a presence there, and
it was before it might have even been

675
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,519
before Bigelow purchased the ranch. But
because some of this had gotten out in

676
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:45,639
the newspaper, and there was a
guy that made a pilgrimage there because he

677
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:52,199
felt at one with the ranch and
he wanted to meditate. And so sherman,

678
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,599
the father and the son kind of
looked at each other and said,

679
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,400
okay, have at it, you
know. So he goes out there on

680
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,599
the field and he starts to meditate, and they see this thing that like

681
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:07,400
a blur, and later on they
said it looked like the Predator effect from

682
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,719
the film Predator, and there's something. They couldn't really focus on it very

683
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,440
well, but it came out and
it was like it was angry at what

684
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:19,599
this guy was doing. And all
this guy is doing is meditating, thinking

685
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:22,480
good thoughts. But whatever this was
didn't like it, and it freaked this

686
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:25,679
guy out and he couldn't wait to
get off the property. But you know,

687
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:32,480
what the heck is that all about. My guess is that whatever it

688
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:40,679
is is based not in carbon.
In other words, it's not always solid.

689
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:46,920
It's probably energy and it probably could
sense that he was doing something that

690
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:52,039
changed the energy of its environment,
and it was having none of that.

691
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:57,159
It was like, oh, no, how dare you? This is mine?

692
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,679
You think lofty thoughts, Yes,
this is mine and you don't get

693
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:07,000
to come here and and mess with
my stuff without my permission. You didn't

694
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,280
even ask, you know, so
I'm going to run you off. Not

695
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,760
I'm not saying I would go and
ask permission and be able to, you

696
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,599
know, sit and meditate. I
wouldn't even think that that was a great

697
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:24,679
idea. But there are some non
corporeal beings that are very very territorial,

698
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:34,239
like wolves and dogs. Just saying
and the according to some of the reports,

699
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:37,199
and you don't know how how reliable
some of them are. People have

700
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:44,079
seen orbs of light manifest into wolves
there. And uh, of course there

701
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:46,239
was the story in the beginning of
the hunt, the big walker, the

702
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:52,280
big beasts that attacked a some of
their livestock and they kept firing at it.

703
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,719
It wasn't you know, it wasn't
causing any problems, and it just

704
00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:00,920
walked away. And of course the
prince ended in the in the swamp somewhere.

705
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:04,079
Yeah, yeah, I mean they
shot a piece of its flesh off,

706
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:09,639
but it didn't like stay. See
that's the part where I'm like,

707
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:14,400
Okay, it's time to go now. I don't care that we just bought

708
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,000
this We're not staying here tonight.
Nope, nope, nope, nope.

709
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,039
Another thing about the dog Man.
A few years ago, I was at

710
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:30,199
a Michigan Uphon meeting and a gentleman
that was a retired Wayne State University professor

711
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:36,840
talked about his research in Michigan into
Bigfoot and UFOs, and he sounded a

712
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:42,079
lot like Jack. I think it's
Jack Lepseratis that wrote Psychic Bigfoot and the

713
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:45,000
Sasquatch People or whatever. I mean, this was some pretty wild stuff,

714
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:47,880
but he's a really down to earth
guy. But the thing that caught my

715
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,960
attention was he said, you know, we keep finding these large doglike footprints

716
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,880
in these high strangeness areas. And
I thought, well, where have I

717
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,719
heard that before? Well, it
turned out I heard it in a Mockman

718
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,199
prophecy. Yep. If John Keel
talks about the and other articles, he

719
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:07,519
talks about dog like footprints around the
U, the old Norse power plant,

720
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:15,000
and also where Tad Jones saw that
bizarre retro UFO with the propeller on the

721
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:21,360
bottom, yep, and the weird
yeah cross lanes, the weird guy beside

722
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,559
it with the weird shoe soles.
You know, It's funny. The last

723
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:32,000
time I read that, I looked
up the name of the man who had

724
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:37,639
first investigated it before Keel got there. He worked at the same place my

725
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:45,199
dad worked up at Union Carbides Tech
Center, so my dad knew the guy.

726
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:47,159
And I thought about it, and
I was like, you know,

727
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,719
that's that's the guy that that my
dad said was like really down to earth

728
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:58,679
and sensible and not prone to flights
of fancy. And he was. He

729
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,360
was also the only guy that my
dad would say, hey, you know,

730
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:06,079
have you seen the weird lights over
the other side of the valley because

731
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:09,400
my dad used to stand outside during
lunch. He worked overnight, so lunch

732
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:15,119
was you know, deep dark,
right, and you know, he'd tell

733
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:19,199
him about the weird lights that he
was watching, and sometimes they'd watch together.

734
01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:23,800
But yeah, that was I never
have forgotten that there were those giant

735
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:29,719
dog prints and cross lanes. And
then remember he consulted with Ivan Sanderson,

736
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:32,199
and Ivan Sanders said, yeah,
we keep finding him, and you wish

737
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,199
there was a whole chapter devoted to
that, or at least a couple of

738
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,400
pages. Yeah, but that's where
it ends. Yeah, So I asked

739
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,800
Linda Godfrey about it and she said, yes. And the one thing she

740
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,320
did say, you said, you
have to be really careful these days because

741
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,000
there are people out there faking dog
man footprints, you know, is you

742
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:52,159
have to be you'd be careful,
you're not taken in. But here you

743
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,320
have fort researchers separated by half a
century, all telling us that we're finding

744
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,360
these large dog like footprints, whether
or actually seeing the culprit or not,

745
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:07,239
in these highest rangers areas. So
it's something that is connected to all this

746
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,840
and has been with us for quite
some time. Yeah, yeah, and

747
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:17,239
it's I do also think that it's
interesting that dogs tend to be afraid of

748
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:24,119
Bigfoot. You know, when we
had the howling whatever it was in the

749
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:30,679
woods that sounded like Bigfoot almost twenty
years ago, when we lived in another

750
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:36,760
part of Ohio, our dogs were
terrified. They and they were not afraid

751
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:42,320
of anything, you know, they
were they were big and strong and generally

752
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:49,480
not well. Okay, Naniko was
afraid of people except for us, but

753
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:55,159
the other one feared nothing, and
they hunkered down and just basically tried to

754
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:59,559
hide. So you know, of
course I had to go out and bring

755
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:07,039
them in. But yeah, dogs
generally either start barking crazily when there's some

756
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:12,639
kind of bigfoot activity or they're terrified. And then there's cases with bigfoot eating

757
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:21,360
dogs or mothman or something or UFOs. So although in some cases I've heard

758
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,159
where all of a sudden, the
dogs get very quiet, yeah, when

759
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:31,360
when some bizarre stuff is going on. So, but but the either way,

760
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:37,239
I mean, that's still uh.
People need to pay attention to the

761
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:42,039
the the responses of animals when these
things are going on, because that's just

762
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:47,119
another validation that there's some kind of
paranormal phenomena or something unexplained going on.

763
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:55,400
Yeah. Oh, I just got
a book by Linda Zimmerman called Animal Reactions

764
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:01,960
to UFOs. It's a very small
book. She it's a it's but it's

765
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:07,679
it basically is sort of a starter
to get your ideas running in the direction

766
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:16,480
of, uh, how different animals
have responded to UFO sightings or experiences and

767
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:22,000
and she's really interesting because she says, you know, animals are the perfect

768
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:29,519
UFO witnesses because they don't hallucinate the
way people do. They don't lie,

769
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:34,440
you know, so there's there's no
confabulation happening. You know, they're they're

770
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:40,400
essentially honest, and they have stronger
senses than we do, so you know,

771
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:45,760
they can hear things above and below
our ability to hear things. They

772
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:53,639
can see things in slightly different lighting
conditions, and they they can apparently feel

773
01:03:53,719 --> 01:04:00,920
vibrations better than we can. So
I thought that was really interesting. And

774
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,079
that's you know, I'm about halfway
through it right now. Yeah, I

775
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:09,880
didn't know. I'm familiar with some
of her other books. She was on

776
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:14,559
my show a while back, and
you know the Hudson Valley Sightings, Yeah,

777
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,360
yeah, specialty h Yeah. And
a lot of the sightings in this

778
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:23,119
book are from New York, but
she has plenty of others from elsewhere.

779
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:27,920
And she even has this one kind
of odd sighting. There's a man who

780
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:32,639
worked a toll booth on a bridge
on the night shift and is very boring.

781
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:39,000
And so there were you know,
wild rabbits that you know, lived

782
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,159
off at the side of the road
in the grass and they'd come out and

783
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:46,159
eat, and you know, he
took to throwing them vegetables just to have

784
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:50,079
something to watch, you know,
so they you know, eat the vegetables.

785
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:57,400
And one night he went to throw
them their vegetables and they were laying

786
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:04,840
in the grass, stretched out and
they were completely motionless, and he was

787
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:11,599
shocked. He thought somebody had killed
them or you know, why they would

788
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:15,920
all die in the same you know, general area and stretched out like that

789
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:20,000
was also disturbing. So he came
out of his toll booth and there he's

790
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:25,199
noticed a UFO. He noticed a
light, a big light in the sky,

791
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:34,199
and he realized he couldn't move until
it flew past. It flew over

792
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:40,039
him and left and he could move. And then the rabbits started, you

793
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:44,119
know, getting up and moving around
again. But then they they were freaked

794
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:46,039
out. They wouldn't you know.
He tried to give them their vegetables and

795
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:49,719
they were like, no way,
man, We're done with this. We're

796
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:55,840
gonna go home. And I thought
that was really an interesting one is that

797
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:03,639
they know that there are a couple
of other UFO cases with wildlife that you

798
01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:10,400
know that has something happened strangely,
right, but you know, more than

799
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:15,079
one wildlife member, so you have
a whole family of rabbits. That's that's

800
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:30,320
really interesting. Yeah, So I
don't have there been have you have you

801
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:35,039
noticed or thought that there's been an
uptick in dog man sidings? Or Wolfman

802
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:41,440
sightings, or does it just seem
that way. I think it seems that

803
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:47,880
way because the floodgates have finally opened, people can finally talk about these things.

804
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:53,840
And you know, especially I haven't
listened to a bit Kondiff on dog

805
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:58,119
Man Encounters Radio for a while,
but you know, he does get recent

806
01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:00,719
signings, but every once in a
while he'll get the ones that go back

807
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:05,800
a couple decades or more, and
it's something that they haven't told anybody because

808
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:10,360
they're just so bizarre. So I
and I think that the same thing might

809
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,639
be true, you know, the
the I think even John Keel thought the

810
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,360
flap idea was kind of an illusion. It just kind of depended on what

811
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:24,559
people were reporting and so forth.
As you know, the mainstream media will,

812
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,039
you know, once in a while
the report on a Stevensville or Phoenix

813
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:34,719
lights or O'Hare airport or whatever.
But I for years I subscribed to the

814
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,559
UFO news clipping service at least you
know now and then, and I inherited

815
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:43,199
a bunch of old ones from the
sixties one time from a guy that got

816
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:46,320
out of it. And the thing
you find out there is that these things

817
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,960
are going on all the time.
It's just that they seldom get beyond the

818
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:56,679
local newspaper or just that the local
area they reported. So I'm not you

819
01:07:56,719 --> 01:08:00,599
know, I people do seem to
ronicled. You know, there seemed to

820
01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:06,000
be certain months, certain days of
the week that where these things do seem

821
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:12,880
to tick up. And I found
the research of a man named Ahmad John

822
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:17,479
Maludin that wrote, you know,
the sixty sixty years of Suppressed Evidence the

823
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:25,640
Humanoid Reports, and he took Albert
Rosales's database, and of course alert Rosales

824
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:33,079
has an amazing database of humanoid reports
and others amongst us from one ad and

825
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:40,199
he's got about fifteen books out.
It's probably due for another one. I

826
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:45,520
can't wait for the next one.
But so that was the database that he

827
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:50,119
took, and he found that in
focusing on humanoid reports, there were certain

828
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:55,560
times of the day that was more
likely to have a human encounter than other

829
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,039
times of the day. At noon
and lunchtime, forget it. You're probably

830
01:08:59,079 --> 01:09:02,479
not going to see anybody. But
between ten and two am, ten pm

831
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:06,199
at two am, if there's things
going on in the area, it's not

832
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:11,039
just going to happen anywhere, you
would have a better chance of having one

833
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:15,239
of these encounters. And the bizarre
thing is that holds true, he says,

834
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:19,560
in every time zone, so as
the world turns, the point of

835
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:25,399
entry or manifestation, whatever it is, is the same. And then he

836
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:30,760
talks about humanoid migrations, how eight
to ten year cycles, how they seem

837
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,880
to show up somewhere in South America, then they move up to North America,

838
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,800
either the US or Canada, and
then they move over to not on

839
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:44,760
any particular timescale, but they'll move
over to Britain or the European continent,

840
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:51,399
and then Asia or Malaysia and then
back again to South America. And that's

841
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,840
and there's been like these eight to
ten year cycles for what four or five

842
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,560
times over the years that he's chronicled, and then just bizarre, and I

843
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:06,239
wonder, you know, remember the
old days when you had Gray Barker and

844
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:13,920
Albert Bender talking about how people would
be chronicling where UFOs were coming from,

845
01:10:14,079 --> 01:10:16,119
and they were always thinking they were
coming from Antarctica, and so they would

846
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,960
draw these lines and then the men
in black would manifest or show up,

847
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:24,359
because that was a no no.
Whether there was a guy from New Zealand

848
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:29,720
and John Stewart that supposedly had that
experience, Albert Bender and so forth,

849
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:32,880
And I wonder, you know,
it would kind of make sense. Maybe

850
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:39,119
there's nobody around there to see it, but maybe these things actually start Antarctica

851
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:43,800
and then move up to South America
and then around so but either way,

852
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,159
you know, if there's a and
I think I know you've been doing some

853
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:53,039
research into that to see that if
those kinds of things are verified hold true,

854
01:10:53,399 --> 01:10:57,479
So that'll be fascinating to see if
they that research can be duplicated.

855
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:02,279
But that's just amazing so far.
According to Chris, who's the one who's

856
01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:11,880
doing all of the coding and working
on the database itself, so far,

857
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:19,880
it's it's consistent with what the author
found, so I think he's onto something

858
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:30,920
okay so far. Also, you
can trace flap years by times when the

859
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:43,199
world itself geopolitically is having things happen, you know, having like when the

860
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:47,000
Berlin Wall fell and the Iron Curtain
fell, there was a lot of UFOs,

861
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:56,079
and then there was of course a
lot of UFO sightings in the forties

862
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:03,680
around World War Two. So you
can you can follow those those times and

863
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:10,680
places and you will get an uptick
in reports. Now I want. What

864
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:15,239
I want to do is, uh, take the UFO databases from New Fork,

865
01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:24,479
movefon Flying Saucer Review and put those
in with the humanoids and see what

866
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:30,039
we get. And we're also working
on the USGS Map of Magnetic Anomalies,

867
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:40,079
just because that that so far if
if what I'm seeing by examining it,

868
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,720
you know, visibly, you know, without a computer, but you know,

869
01:12:45,039 --> 01:12:49,079
looking at it, just correlating places
and dates and times, latitude and

870
01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:56,159
longitude, I am seeing it correlation. Let's just put it that way.

871
01:12:58,079 --> 01:13:02,760
I don't know that it's going to
prove causation, but it's it's at least

872
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:11,159
something to show other people where to
look and what to look at. Hopefully

873
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:15,279
that that's that's kind of beyond me. I'm glad you're doing that kind of

874
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:24,079
research. I've been reading an old
Flying Saucer Review, one of their specials

875
01:13:24,319 --> 01:13:28,359
where they talk about landings, and
I was reading an article by Jacques Valet,

876
01:13:29,119 --> 01:13:32,119
and I think, well, it's
he had written his first two books,

877
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:38,600
Challenged the Science and an Enemy of
a Phenomenon, but he hadn't written

878
01:13:39,359 --> 01:13:45,119
Passport to Morgonia yet. Because Passport
to Morgonia has all those landings at the

879
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:47,000
at the end, Well, that's
what I'm reading. He's going through all

880
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:50,720
these landings, about two hundred of
them, just very briefly mentioned in this

881
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:58,800
article. And it's fascinating because so
many of them, the the the witness

882
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:06,479
encounters paralysis or has some kind of
a a physical reaction where they feel some

883
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:11,680
kind of vibration or whatever. So
I'm reading all these one after another,

884
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,880
and there's all this repetition of certain
kinds of things, and you know,

885
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:24,359
sometimes that the paralysis occurs without you
know anything. Oftentimes they aim something at

886
01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:30,159
him and there's actually a beam or
whatever. But there's so many different descriptions

887
01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:34,920
of these beings and their behavior and
their craft or whatever. I just you

888
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:39,880
know, I know, I mentioned
John Keel about every five minutes, and

889
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:44,479
you know, there is a friend
of mine, Jeff. He claims they

890
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,119
have a drinking game. They listen
to one of my podcasts and they'll take

891
01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:51,079
a drink every time I mentioned John
Keele, which means they've passed out in

892
01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:58,520
about five or six minutes. But
yeah, it's just it's just fascinating that

893
01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:03,600
you get these patterns, but then
you don't other things don't jive you're not

894
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:10,680
getting you do get the silver coveralls
and picking up of flowers. And there's

895
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,319
one guy spiking of rabbits. One
encounter with a guy is paralyzed and these

896
01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:19,439
guys run off with his rabbits.
Yeah, he steals the rabbits out of

897
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:24,520
the hunch. I remember that.
I was like, damn, what's up

898
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,960
with y'all? Don't be doing that. Yeah, you guys don't know how

899
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,520
to properly take care of these bunny
rabbits. Maybe they're going to eat them.

900
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,399
I don't know. Uh. Yeah. And then there's the weird stories

901
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:40,640
where you know, they steal stockings
off of women. You know, like

902
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,640
a woman is carrying her stockings in
one hand because she walked across the creek,

903
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,399
so she took her shoes and stockings
off, and then she put her

904
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:51,279
shoes on because you don't want to
put stockings on wet legs because then they

905
01:15:51,399 --> 01:15:56,239
stick and it doesn't work. So
she's walking and she's minding her own business

906
01:15:56,239 --> 01:16:00,680
picking flowers in the mountains of Italy, and these two weird guys in their

907
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:08,399
little egg shaped craft with their silver
suits run over and stealer stockings. I

908
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:12,119
love the illustrations. Oh, I
love that illustration. They look like they're

909
01:16:12,119 --> 01:16:16,119
wearing football helmets from the nineteen twenties. That's exactly what they look like.

910
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,640
And then there's another case with another
woman. She was putting laundry out and

911
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:27,199
they stole laundry. I'm like,
is are y'all just creepers? What's happening?

912
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,840
And the only thing I can think
of in that period of time is

913
01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:34,680
they wanted everybody to think they were
from space, but they had no idea

914
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:42,800
how to act like aliens. So
they hadn't gotten their like, you know,

915
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,079
behavior down. They hadn't decided how
they were going to be. It's

916
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:51,039
like, you know, it's like
if they were fairies trying to convince people

917
01:16:51,079 --> 01:16:57,079
they were from space, but they
didn't really know, you know, how

918
01:16:57,119 --> 01:17:00,000
to be. They didn't read enough
science fiction or something, or they read

919
01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:04,159
the wrong science fiction, almost like
men in black, not knowing how to

920
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:09,880
act human. Yeah, don't they
try to drink jello? You know?

921
01:17:10,279 --> 01:17:14,960
What about the guy was that John
Trasco where these guys are trying to capture

922
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,880
his dog and he says, we
don't mean no harm. We just watch

923
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,720
your dog and we get out.
I want my dog. You get your

924
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:29,000
own damn dog. And that's the
thing again, there's something about dogs something.

925
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:36,159
Now, have there been dog men
sighted with UFOs like Bigfoot in UFOs?

926
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:42,520
I think there have been, Like
Paul Sinclair would tell you that,

927
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,039
there'll be a lot of strange lights
or whatever in the same vicinity. Are

928
01:17:46,079 --> 01:17:50,159
they connected, you know? Are
they are they morphing into these creatures that

929
01:17:50,319 --> 01:17:57,960
nobody has seen that there that that's
been recorded, So it again, the

930
01:17:58,079 --> 01:18:03,079
connection is possible, but maybe tenuous. I don't know. Yeah, although

931
01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:09,960
Lee's case, you know, with
his little weird mechanical in the hit LEAs

932
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,319
you know, or whatever, they
are right there are. Yeah, there

933
01:18:14,359 --> 01:18:19,000
is some kind of bizarre technology there. But and again that intelligence, I'm

934
01:18:19,039 --> 01:18:25,159
assuming that the intelligence behind that is
the same intelligence that is cloaking these things.

935
01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:29,199
So that would be that would be
really the only example I could probably

936
01:18:29,239 --> 01:18:34,079
think of that where there seems to
be some kind of a UFO phenomenon in

937
01:18:34,119 --> 01:18:39,880
the same vicinity that these things are. Yeah. Yeah, And it's strange,

938
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:45,279
you know, because he is trying
to get people from universities and scientists

939
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,159
interested in this area. I mean, you have a virtual laboratory there and

940
01:18:49,279 --> 01:18:54,520
I was talking to him you know, Linda started writing about Lee's farm and

941
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,520
at least by Monsters among Us,
maybe even before that. And he said

942
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,279
that they h he was perfectly happy
to use his name in the book,

943
01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:08,000
but they for some reason, the
legal people wanted to give him a pseudonym.

944
01:19:08,319 --> 01:19:13,199
So he's somebody Smith I think in
Monsters among Us and Linda only talks

945
01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:18,359
about some of the things that were
going on there. But he said that

946
01:19:18,399 --> 01:19:21,520
it was for Linda, it was
like a kid in a candy store.

947
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:26,840
Here's just been writing about this and
just a few miles away from where she's

948
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:31,760
living, here's this virtual laboratory over
certain acres where this stuff is actually happening

949
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:36,760
that she can go and observe,
you know. Yeah, and that's that

950
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:45,399
See, that's that's just perfect timing
and placement of of you know, being

951
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:51,760
in the right place at the right
time. I just one of the other

952
01:19:51,840 --> 01:20:00,239
things that I I, you know, I noticed about the dog man and

953
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:05,039
the bigfoot thing. They're sort of
in my mind entwined together because like you

954
01:20:05,079 --> 01:20:09,920
said, you know, we're okay
with bigfoot. Bigfoot we can kind of

955
01:20:10,319 --> 01:20:14,319
deal with. But no, no, no, no walking dogs tall six

956
01:20:14,399 --> 01:20:19,680
foot. No, we're not having
that I still think that they're they're related

957
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:24,159
in a way. And I was
like, you know, I wonder if

958
01:20:25,359 --> 01:20:30,720
they're a different kind of Bigfoot that
just has big ears and a tail or,

959
01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:38,319
if it's you know, a variant
just like this is a wilderness being

960
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:43,399
that that guards the wilderness, and
so it's big and hairy. That's the

961
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,119
two things you have to have,
and then the rest of it is just

962
01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:54,279
you know, kind of regional window
dressing or something. And I was fascinated

963
01:20:54,319 --> 01:21:02,399
when I was looking at information about
the the Native American mounds and I found

964
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:14,479
that there were some skeletons found in
the mountains that had artificial extensions on their

965
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:21,079
teeth, so they had teeth ground
down so that the bones of a wolf's

966
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:29,720
muzzle with the sharp teeth could be
fitted into the mouth. And then the

967
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:43,319
the archaeologists and anthropologists thought maybe they
wore a hood of a wolf skin of

968
01:21:43,359 --> 01:21:48,960
the face over that, so that
they were portraying wolf spirits or some other

969
01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:55,600
kind of spirits. And this is
fascinating to me. So I'm like,

970
01:21:55,640 --> 01:22:00,279
oh, so wolf shamans. I
wonder if Bigfoot has wolf shamans. I

971
01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:05,960
was like, why not, you
know, nobody knows. Nobody knows,

972
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:11,479
so you know, I'm just throwing
things out there. Well, I guess

973
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:15,680
I do think that there's a distinction. And the one thing is I really

974
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:21,800
haven't heard people report the uh,
the the negative vibe that the evil and

975
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:27,720
respect. Yeah, with Bigfoot and
they and it's very common. The same

976
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,720
with Paul Sinclair. Yeah, and
he even talked about a connection with them

977
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:35,760
and mounds out there too. Sometimes
they're seen near mounds, So I don't

978
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:41,239
know what that's all about. Of
course, if you've ever watched Mountain Monsters,

979
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:45,159
Oh, there was an episode.
There was the episode where the Chuop

980
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:53,399
of Cabras in West Virginia were teaming
up with Bigfoot. Yeah, yeah,

981
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:58,119
yeah, I watched an episode of
that with Fox and I was just like

982
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:02,199
shaking my head. I'm like,
well, I met at the Mothman statue.

983
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:08,239
I met a young lady. I
won't say how she was related to

984
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:13,039
John Tice, who played Trapper,
but we had a good laugh. She

985
01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:16,720
said, uh, this person who
will mein Nameless. They shot everything on

986
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:21,000
the same property you know, supposed
to be and it was I think it

987
01:23:21,039 --> 01:23:26,399
was. I think it was John's
property in fact, and we had a

988
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:30,880
good laugh about some of the things, like the Pocahontas fire dragon. Yeah,

989
01:23:31,119 --> 01:23:38,159
anyway, yeah, and the Cherokee
something cat. There's a Cherokee cherkey

990
01:23:38,279 --> 01:23:43,159
devil. Yeah, right right,
And oh and remember how how mothman you

991
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,680
don't look at his eyes because you'll
pass out. Yeah, And of course

992
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,199
who was at the buck passed out? But the camera people didn't that,

993
01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:53,680
which is good. They must have
really been their eyes were protected by that

994
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:58,199
camera lenses. I guess, I
guess that makes sense. But anyway,

995
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:04,920
I but I digress. Oh yeah, Mountain Monsters is really really hilarious to

996
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:10,039
me, and I loved it as
as a guilty pleasure, especially when I

997
01:24:10,119 --> 01:24:14,159
went off with the bizarre conspiracy stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, and the

998
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,560
little Girl in the woods and the
oh god, you know, they just

999
01:24:18,199 --> 01:24:23,039
you know, they pushed the envelope
and then they busted it. Yeah,

1000
01:24:23,319 --> 01:24:29,000
they just kept going. They just
they just kept going. But yeah,

1001
01:24:29,039 --> 01:24:31,920
I don't. And the other thing
is, you know, when we talk

1002
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:36,640
about this bear wolf or whatever it
was, I can't help but think of

1003
01:24:39,079 --> 01:24:44,079
Zelia Edgar's book Just Another Tenfoil Half
Presents, where she of course she's Achilian,

1004
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,880
so she talks about transmographication. But
she has this great phrase lost in

1005
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:57,319
Transmogrification and all show she talks about
flopped projections and gives examples like perhaps the

1006
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:02,800
Enfield Horror in Illinois in the seventies. I think three legs, arms protruding

1007
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,720
out of its chest, and pink
blowing eyes. A couple of different people

1008
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:11,239
saw this, even shot at it. So I'm wondering if some of these

1009
01:25:11,279 --> 01:25:15,119
things they're so called bearwolf for whatever
it was, it's just one of those

1010
01:25:15,159 --> 01:25:20,359
things that got screwed up translations somehow
because you don't see many of those.

1011
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:25,760
You see plenty of big foots,
you see plenty of dog men or whatever

1012
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,680
they are. Yeah, but you
know these. And then you had the

1013
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:34,000
row Row, the Rochelle monster.
Yeah, and I always I always say

1014
01:25:34,039 --> 01:25:39,439
Rowrow sounds like Scooby Doo trying to
form. Yeah, there you go.

1015
01:25:41,039 --> 01:25:45,079
But it was sort of like slowly
coming into manifestation. You know that the

1016
01:25:45,119 --> 01:25:47,920
bangs in the house, they could
smell it, they would even could feel

1017
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,960
the breath, but nothing was there. And then I finally it showed up,

1018
01:25:51,039 --> 01:25:55,560
not leaving footprints, and I think
eventually it did. So it was

1019
01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:01,479
not was not a conventional Bigfoot could
not have been simply ENCRYPTID an undocumented animal.

1020
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:06,600
Yeah, it was something slowly coming. It's like a textbookcase of these

1021
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:11,520
things slowly coming into manifestation. And
then it would attack a bunch of chickens

1022
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,239
and not eat them. Yeah,
because probably it doesn't even have insides,

1023
01:26:16,399 --> 01:26:20,079
you know, I mean think about
it. Do they do they have insides?

1024
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:27,960
Don't? I don't know. I
just but these things have been with

1025
01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:32,800
us forever. You know. It's
part of the human condition. And you

1026
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:38,000
know, I get I get it. You know. I call it the

1027
01:26:36,039 --> 01:26:41,880
uh, the Red Queen effect.
You know when Alice in Wonderland with the

1028
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,119
Red Queen told her, if you're
gonna get aywhere, you're gonna run faster

1029
01:26:44,119 --> 01:26:46,079
and faster, and Alice runs as
fast as you can and the trees are

1030
01:26:46,079 --> 01:26:49,399
staying in the same place. So
that's what it feels like sometimes when we're

1031
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:53,600
trying to sift through this. Yeah. And you know, have you ever

1032
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,119
felt like you made a couple of
connections and you think you're onto something and

1033
01:26:57,159 --> 01:26:59,960
then you hit a brick wall?
You know? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

1034
01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:02,520
I mean that I think that that
that happens on purpose. Honestly,

1035
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,600
I think so too, that you
know, you think you've got it,

1036
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:10,359
You think you've got it, you
think you've got it, and then some

1037
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:15,319
other evidence or testimony gets thrown in
front of you and it's like a microphone

1038
01:27:15,399 --> 01:27:20,359
dropping. Yeah exactly, it's like
the it just went boom and they were

1039
01:27:20,399 --> 01:27:25,159
done, and then you sit there
and you're just like, why did I

1040
01:27:25,279 --> 01:27:30,920
Why did I waste three years on
that? And Jacques Vllai tells us that

1041
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,920
the phenomenon negates itself. Yes,
you know, in some cases is pretty

1042
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:38,439
dramatic, where somebody will see something
and then you get a knock on the

1043
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:44,600
door. You can't talk about this, and sometimes the experience is so bizarre

1044
01:27:45,279 --> 01:27:48,319
that if a person tells it,
people don't believe it, and it just

1045
01:27:48,399 --> 01:27:53,279
shuts it right down. Of course, So and so many of these things

1046
01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:59,359
do have that incredible high strangeness aspect
to it. I think at this point

1047
01:28:00,399 --> 01:28:04,199
I've decided that everybody has some kind
of weird thing that has happened to them

1048
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:11,880
and either it was mostly mundane so
they don't think about it as anything weird,

1049
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:17,680
or they know it's weird, but
they'll never ever tell anyone, right,

1050
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:24,079
And as part of why I like
talking with people who have had experiences,

1051
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:29,800
and I'm like, you know,
somebody somewhere has seen something weirder than

1052
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,560
you, but they will never say
anything about it. But if they hear

1053
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:36,359
your story, maybe they will.
Because I think it's a burden on the

1054
01:28:36,399 --> 01:28:43,720
psyche to keep secrets like that,
because it makes you feel crazy, and

1055
01:28:44,039 --> 01:28:49,880
it makes you doubt yourself and it
makes you doubt what your truth is.

1056
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:57,079
So I think it's really important to
keep telling these these experiences, keep telling

1057
01:28:57,119 --> 01:29:00,960
the stories. Well, I think
that's true because as a young lady I

1058
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:04,279
talked to several years ago, she
contacted me on Facebook and she and her

1059
01:29:04,319 --> 01:29:10,760
husband. This is Londonderry, New
Hampshire. They're near an airport, but

1060
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:15,239
they're very familiar with the planes and
the lights to go over, and they're

1061
01:29:15,239 --> 01:29:18,039
standing out early in the morning and
start they're standing on their front porch and

1062
01:29:18,079 --> 01:29:21,840
they see these strange lights coming toward
them, and then all of a sudden,

1063
01:29:23,159 --> 01:29:26,760
they're not standing next to each other
anymore. It's a little bit lighter

1064
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,439
out, and they look up and
they see this large black triangle brushing the

1065
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,560
tops of the trees. And then, as so many people doing these things,

1066
01:29:34,119 --> 01:29:38,399
they didn't register then they just turned
around and went back to bed.

1067
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,960
And then later on she realized that
I'm missing time, so she was on

1068
01:29:43,039 --> 01:29:45,319
a quest. It was really bugging
her. She wanted to find out what

1069
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:50,560
happened, and so I asked her
a series of john Kee questions. Things

1070
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,760
I would have if I was,
you know, locked back in the nineteen

1071
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:59,760
sixties, I would have said,
I hope you you know, find your

1072
01:30:00,039 --> 01:30:02,399
what happened during that missing time.
I would have known nothing else to ask.

1073
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:08,199
And to make the long story short, I found out that they were

1074
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:13,239
experiencing typical haunting phenomena, some kind
of a little bit of electrical phenomenon.

1075
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,039
Both sons were seeing orbs, some
in the house and some outside the house.

1076
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:23,399
She had seen a shadow person.
And then finally I said, this

1077
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,840
is going to sound like a weird
question, but have you ever seen any

1078
01:30:27,039 --> 01:30:30,119
kind of an animal you couldn't identify, like a bigfoot or whatever? And

1079
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:32,479
she said no. And then she
said, oh, wait a minute,

1080
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:35,840
my mother in law and sister in
law both saw something near the property,

1081
01:30:36,079 --> 01:30:40,319
and this thing was seen twice.
What they had seen was something like a

1082
01:30:40,359 --> 01:30:46,159
black panther standing on two legs.
So and she also had she had a

1083
01:30:46,279 --> 01:30:51,000
UFO, a local UFO group over
to her house, asking questions and so

1084
01:30:51,079 --> 01:30:54,439
forth. At the same time,
they lived on a cul de sac,

1085
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:59,640
and a black car with its windows
blacked out, drove down, went around

1086
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,039
the cold sack, and then drove
away. So anyway, if I hadn't,

1087
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,239
you know, asked all these questions, those would have been buried.

1088
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:10,920
That would have been you know,
not a uh. Now, later on

1089
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:15,520
she made a breakthrough, and she's
very very irrational about her She said,

1090
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,800
I don't remember these things consciously,
so I take it with a grain of

1091
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:23,920
salt, you know. And it
was kind of you know, she had

1092
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:28,520
these these two pale grays on one
side looking at her and blinking. Everything

1093
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:32,000
really creepy. There was something toward
her feet that she couldn't even describe.

1094
01:31:32,039 --> 01:31:34,720
It was so awful. She said. The only thing she could think of

1095
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:41,479
was remember toy story with that weird
kid that cobbled together all those evil looking

1096
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,600
Yeah, she said, that's what
it made her think of. But then

1097
01:31:45,039 --> 01:31:47,600
then off to her right that she
couldn't quite see it, but it was

1098
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:53,560
some kind of a female presence.
Got the sense of something tall and like

1099
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:58,319
almost like the tall fairy or the
tall, gray or whatever, and she's

1100
01:31:58,319 --> 01:32:01,119
saying things like, you know,
you've been through this before, don't worry,

1101
01:32:01,279 --> 01:32:04,199
it's going to be all right,
and she's got all this crap going

1102
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:11,960
on and anyway, so that's what
came about. But again, she was

1103
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:16,239
one of these people that have had
She and her family have had experiences for

1104
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:24,880
years. Yeah, that's and that's
that is fairly typical year as I can

1105
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:29,199
tell, which is why I think
everybody has something a little weird that's happened,

1106
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:35,159
whether they remember it or not.
And I'm fully convinced at this point

1107
01:32:35,239 --> 01:32:41,720
that the world is way weirder than
you know, any of us thought.

1108
01:32:42,079 --> 01:32:48,119
I think it's way stranger. And
the paradox is that that seems to be

1109
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:54,640
the natural state of things. People
having these experiences are not weird. They're

1110
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:58,800
kind of a natural part of reality, even though it might be kind of

1111
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:05,319
a sub reality or whatever. Yet
the human part of us is desperate to

1112
01:33:05,359 --> 01:33:12,479
make sense of it, but it's
always elusive. It's always just out of

1113
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:19,239
our grasp. Yeah, yeah,
absolutely, one hundred percent. Well do

1114
01:33:19,279 --> 01:33:23,920
you have what? So? Why
do we torture ourself like this? Why

1115
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:27,720
do we torture ourselves? I don't
know. I think it's the the eternal

1116
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:38,399
quest to understand, to experience,
to know, to understand to I just

1117
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:43,920
think we're too left brained. You
know. The logic is just really strong,

1118
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,439
and we really want to understand right
whereas the right brain is going.

1119
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:53,039
Just just let go be like Luke
Skywalker. Let go go with your feelings,

1120
01:33:53,239 --> 01:33:58,159
you know, don't don't think too
hard. I'm terrible at not thinking

1121
01:33:58,239 --> 01:34:05,479
too hard. Well, it's good
to see you again. Well you,

1122
01:34:06,319 --> 01:34:13,720
and thank you as always for coming
to visit pleasure. And if you ever

1123
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,239
have anything that you you know,
want to ask me, let me know.

1124
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:20,760
If you ever need a guest,
Oh okay, yeah, sure you

1125
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:25,359
can always. You can always call
on me. I can always talk about

1126
01:34:25,399 --> 01:34:28,600
just about anything. Well, that
sounds good. I think we should do

1127
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:32,840
that relatively soon. Okay, thanks
and have a good holiday. Okay you

1128
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:38,479
too. Well that's all for this
week's episode of the Six Degrees of John

1129
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:43,199
Keel podcast. If you have any
questions or thoughts about the podcast, or

1130
01:34:43,239 --> 01:34:46,439
would like to come and talk about
your experiences of the paranormal, you can

1131
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:54,640
contact us at six d JK six
seven at gmail dot com. We promised

1132
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:59,600
even answer you, and we are
always happy to hear from you. Thank

1133
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:29,159
you. The skip had the skin