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Good morning, friends and friends,
I am Julio Pérez and this is the

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train of life, a radio adventure
along the routes of the heart. I

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want to invite you to travel with
me and dream together in a better world,

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a different world where men and women
of good will can live in peace

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and freedom. The train of life
is a magaxin of good news and hope.

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This is a radio time specially designed
for people like you and like so

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many truth seekers, of the only
truth that can make us truly free come

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Te, I invite you to travel
with us on the safest train of all,

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which will certainly take you to safe
harbour. This is the train of

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life. Well, good morning,
Spain. Bon día, friends and friends,

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from this corner, of this great
solarium an Iberian speaks to them again

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Julio Pérez, thirty- two years
old. There' s na. I

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don' t know if it would
be an honorary doctor cause that others can

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be after this week after week,
unstoppably, with thousands of hours of this

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radio magaxing already running through more than
a hundred Spanish cities, these thirty-

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two years, the train of life
as life itself unstoppable, we go there

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again, for yes, ladies and
gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, also all

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the pilgrims of the radio waves,
all those who listen to us by any

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platform, Spotify or, of course, can hear us in Straiming, on

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the website of onapocat, anywhere the
Martians from beyond, hence of the universe

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who can also hear us in this
way. And then in the metropolitan area

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of Barcelona, in the ninety-
sixth FM one, a city and a

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metropolitan with more than five million inhabitants
and where the radio wave for radio or

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a pau cataluña is heard perfect,
with a wonderful tune and fidelity and much

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more, after the adjustments that we
have made lately, that have greatly improved.

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It was still fine, but now
it' s infinitely better. It

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means we are pleased because we like
things well done truth, from this radio

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station, from the train of life
to this unstoppable machine that travels at the

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speed of I do not know if
of the light more than three hundred thousand

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kilometers. For the second, it' s not the speed of light.

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Well, I don' t know
It' s a tremendous speed. Tremendous.

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We arrived in many honey cities I
speak to them of one hundred main

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cities of their Spain where it is
tuned weekly. Look today at many cities

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in Barcelona and the Catalan area as
well, but Friday is tuned in many

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more Spanish cities as many others,
even in the Canary Islands, in the

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Balearic Islands, in Mallorca, etc, in various places. Saturday in many

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cities. There sea of a hundred
cities, and those cities have a radius

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of action of other important cities,
satellites around party heads and on Sunday repeats

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many stations the programming and on Monday, through radio television life in the entire

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area of Murcia and all the elevating
to Granada, Malaga and Almeria and all

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parts again that have already tuned the
weekend, also in the north, also

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in many parts, in Galicia,
in Cantabria, in Asturias, well yes,

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yes, the truth is that no. In the center of the Peninsula

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also how not Galicia, Galicia of
our loves. Well, there we are

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always the train of life, a
traveling train where we have interviews, we

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talk about almost all life and for
having the human realities that concern us all,

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but also the mysteries, the mysteries
of the universe. We also have

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those who can speak the professor Dr
Antonio Cruz and many others, my good

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friend Miguel I Wikand and so many
others who can talk about these things with

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a more authoritative way, so professors
of the subject at the university and in

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many parts with authentic k chairs of
the subject. But and others there is

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a huge list of collaborators in the
train of life of this level that pleases

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us, because when we talk to
anyone about a matter, there must be

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rigor, rigor of credible dating and
that conform to the truth. Well,

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today we have a very special interview
grill. Look First of all, we

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' re going to be with Miguel
Lara and Rosa Burguera. Michael and Rosa

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are known in the angelic Christian world. They' re well known to him

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for what. Because they' re
loved. They' re a lovely couple.

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What they' re like is they' re a love in the deal.

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They are not from now on.
I' ve known them for many

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years. I really know them and
they have always been that way, with

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that maturity, that weight, that
give the years of life and they are

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musicians, musicians, they are virtuous, well Rosa has been, has been

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teacher of the Conservatory of Music of
Tarragona for many years so far, that

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they are dedicated to full music,
their own music and their concerts, that

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are increasingly and more popular concerts in
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the cities. They really like to
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And Miguel Lara is a virtuoso,
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He has also had musical training,
obviously, but he started instinctively and

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you see him playing the violin,
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and it is impressive. Now Malikian, I think he' d take

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it for a while with him and
then now Rosa plays the bagpipe too because

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they play Celtic music. The group
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musically very high voltage group, and
well, today they' ll be both,

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because we' re going to talk
about going through the valley of shadow

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of deaths. It is an expression
very much of a psalm in the Bible,

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the 23rd Psalm of David, King
David, who wrote it in a

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very complex situation of his life.
Jehovah, the Lord is Jehovah, the

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name of God in Hebrew the Lord
is my shepherd. Nothing will fail me

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in places of delicate pastures, it
will make me rest, it will comfort

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my soul, it will guide me
after you will have justice for his name

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' s sake. Though I walk
in the valley of the shadow of death,

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I will fear no evil, for
their rod and their silence will give

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me breath. And the truth is
that they have passed through a valley of

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shadow of death, lost two children, a little one who unfortunately drowned in

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a swimming pool in an unprecedented way
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But these things that children do,
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they can do it, and they
do it and they always joan unforgettable.

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And then, unfortunately, a few
years ago, three years ago, because

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his daughter ana beautiful, a beautiful
babe with twenty twenty- one years,

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because she also lost her life.
And the truth was that it was a

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tragedy, a tragedy for them.
But how they have lived the theme of

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the death of their children' s
departure. This is to go crazy humanly

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speaking, but look. Sometimes we
talk about running forward and they fled forward.

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Yes, yes, yes, they
fled to Jesus, the pure,

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true, responsibility. I assure you, not responsible, you have nothing.

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I know them very well. On
the contrary, they have put all their

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trust and energy into God and in
helping people who have suffered early losses,

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from family members, from children,
and are helping with their book, a

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book that is tremendous. And in
addition, they have just done a master

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' s degree now on the subject
of death, suicide, early death and

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so on. And they told us
about that going through the valley of shadow

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of death with Miguel and Rosa of
salt one hundred and fifty magnificent musicians where

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they are here on the train of
life and in this next station we will

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have our friend live and live to
the modest rock doctor, summer precautions for

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our health, because it seems that
not. But it' s not the

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dengue mosquito You know that I think
it' s in Honduras that there was

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a dengue plague that they' ve
had to take as a national epidemic by

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the number of people affected and many
dead. Well, it' s not

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that thing, but there are tiger
mosquitoes and other species. And then we

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have a lot of things that are
from the skin, skin problems, digestive

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problems, bad foods, mayonnaise.
I' m exposing you to the sun

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Look. I did an analysis this
past week and well, it was Monday

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and I was already talking to my
mutual doctor and a great Doctor Box and

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he was saying to me he'
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everything and the only thing, vitamin
D. Your skin doesn' t get,

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no, I don' t expose
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m making sedentary life, it'
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because I' m caught up in
a thousand things. But good for a

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vitamin, for the vitamin D question. But it means that we have to

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take care of ourselves and especially our
children, also in the family. In

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this case I already have it,
I have grandkids and some dream older middle

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- income precautions of our health with
Dr Modestos Rock, family doctor Pastores Vans

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believes a pastorazo eh believe me and
graduate in theology, a man who is

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charming to talk to him. He
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many years. Well, we'
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live to Dr Roca. Don'
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talking to Noemi Cortes. Noemi Cortes
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is also a professor of an important
academic entity. It' s his usual

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job. But she is the president
of the Biblical Institution of Catalonia, which

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has been awarded with a high distinction, one of the highest distinctions granted by

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the generality of Catalonia, the Cassia
Ius Galardón, which has this name,

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but it is like something similar to
the creu of Sant Jordi. In fact,

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already the IBE, the Biblical Institution
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in the ninety- seventh century,
they granted him the Cross of Sant Jordi

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as one of the institutions of the
promotion of the Bible and of the entire

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biblical production in different aspects. In
Catalan, in the Catalan language, a

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beautiful language that you know speaks it. More than 10 million people are directly

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influenced indirectly. Then IBEC receives this
award, this new award, in the

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person of its President, Noemi and
Cortés, who is also a pastor in

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Barrio de Gracia, a very Barcelona
neighborhood. And well, there it is,

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in fact, I also have the
pleasure of participating. Good to be

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present, not also participate as the
Committee of the Angelic Council of the City

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of Barcelona and also member of the
Director of the Banclic Council of the City

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and member of the Board. We
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to the Protestant world. The Biblical
Institution of each Taluña awarded with a high

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distinction, which will be handed over
from the hands of Vice President Laura vilagrapara

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it seems that the President is already
on vacation to the Aragonese father and she,

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then, will be making this delivery
and there we will be accompanying our

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dear sister and friend. Not in
my courtesy, but the interview, because

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you notice you will tell us where
the Biblical Institution of Catalonia was born and

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how it was born, which was
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because it was born during the end
of Francoism, in one thousand nine

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hundred and sixty- six, where
the church was also repressed, the Evangelical

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Church, where his father Angel Cortes
and other fighters opened the way and also

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the preservation of a language like the
Catalan language, where production in Catalan was

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also chigua. Therefore, history is
very interesting, very interesting of how the

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Gospel has cared for, it has
run through personalities of the Catalan Protestant world

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in the midst of the opposition.
This morning the train of life. Finally,

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we have Judith Gasola, psychotherapist opet
psychotherapist, finfalto, juvenile. What

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we need to know to start over
after a divorce the mariner, uh,

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what we need to know, what
we need to take into account This is

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of interest to many, uh,
and to many, all those who have

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lived have suffered an unwanted outcome of
divorce. No, what guidelines, how

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we are left and what to do
in the face of uncertainty, insecurity,

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emptiness, pain and children and so
many things we need to know to start

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again, to start again after a
divorce, because this morning the Jewish psychotherapist

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or magnificent this topic deals with Maravilla
and we will talk to her on the

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train of life. Well, don' t miss it, because there'

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s a lot of marine fabric this
morning, very good music and very good

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company. I remind you that you
can write. If you' d like.

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To Julio Pérez Arroba the train of
life, point is for any consultation,

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request suggestion. Julio Pérez Arroba the
train of life, point is and

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here we go. You can send
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life. Point is Remember that in
this way you collaborate with us. Tell

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us your impressions, ask us and
participate actively. We want to meet you,

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we want to meet you. Enter
our website three subs, double points,

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the train of life. Together it
is and follow us through Fecbook,

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through date. Today is a different
day. I can smile again with so

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many voices that they yelled at us, We learned this way, warping our

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gazes, dreaming of hurting that they
no longer say anything and stopped struggling to

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postpone the future that we dreamt he
did not die. In you these hands

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open incan you know step. I
will look for the time that went without

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raising the life that you find where
medo the military spheres and all the deserts

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CCDE we could always find hidden reasons. It' s a different day.

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We' ve commented again. We
don' t forget the seriousness, but

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you' re behind. My eyes
look forward. We have not been able

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to find the way to rest and
we can fight to build the future that

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we dreamed of and that our hands
did not die in you. A tireless

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step is being taken. You'
ll look for scale teepo who left unannounced.

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I laugh that you find with mimigos
the spheres seen all the deserts that

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was we went to find always rador
is with me and live they came to

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or Guay place for Artis all that
hope not to see mother two days that

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vivis illustrates life is a trip sometimes
you drive and sometimes they take you,

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sometimes you go to work and sometimes
you know how to tire enjoy the road,

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but do it safely, always respect
the rules and drive thinking about others,

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because no matter where you come from
or where you go to skin kmlici

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by motorcycle or by car. What
we want is for you to arrive at

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the General Traffic Directorate, Ministry of
the Interior, Government of Spain. We

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' re right next to you.
You deserve to be happy Let' s

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support every show of support for a
battered woman. The way out of his

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situation is a little closer to telling
it is called, but you say.

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If there is a way out of
gender- based violence, it is thanks

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to you Join, Government of Spain. If you want to visit our website

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wwwwww. Stop the train of life
and train of life. Period. Ladies,

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gentlemen, we' re already in
the master car. It is a

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place of conversation and sometimes, like
today, open- hearted because they know

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why, not just by humbling into
the issues, sometimes in the traumas of

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life. They don' t know
why. Because we all learn, we

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learn to be better people, we
learn to have tenderness norla, despite the

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vagaries of life, despite the soups
that life gives us sometimes, sometimes even

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and being believers of the complex questions
that we do not understand. But God

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always knows the ultimate cause and always
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speaking, but we also have a
great teacher, the Holy Spirit. Yeah,

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yeah, I' m missing weird. The Holy Spirit is a true

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teacher to help us in life.
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Rosa, two loving people in the
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internationally known as the Celtic music group
salt one hundred and fifty, which has

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to do with Psalm one hundred and
fifty, the last great psalm, the

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explosion of joy of Psalm one hundred
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And well, they' ve lived
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and they know one thing. They
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level that is possible, and they
have given themselves their music, their book,

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a challenging book on the subject of
grief, very strong, but very

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necessary, and there we have them. I welcome you Miguel y Rosa,

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Miguel Lara, Rosa, Burguera,
Good morning Hello, good morning July and

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good morning. I see very summery. Uh, hot, no, no,

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but it' s its own.
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that you, also live in the
heart of the city. Hey there,

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all over the city of Tarragona.
It is very central, the truth

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to a beach hour port. Yes, nothing, nothing down that street your

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going straight down in a straight line, you go, you go there to

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the yes right where we have taken
some walks, also ray cels hears,

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but regarding Tarragona, in Tarragona has
become a city of tourist interest, international,

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heritage of humanity, because it is
beautiful Tarragona. But you, in

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Tarragona, city, in the Tarragon
towns, have given and give concerts in

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many of the places, popular concerts, really, let them see us where

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all those who see us that the
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truth right now, ten minutes ago
in July. Yeah, well, we

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want to close a very nice concert
in High Fury. They study coastal village,

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also say nice beautiful and guanito village
with a castle. Yes, yes,

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yes, you read every year would
be art by the castle. It

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is an unbeatable environment, because it
is next to the castle very well amazing.

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Two years ago they were moving and
this year it wasn' t very

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long because there was a change of
organization. Yeah, but yeah, or

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we' ve been confirmed we'
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' s already closed on the date. The 16th of August. I'

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m doing this. Wow, that' s good We' re up there.

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I also say in case there are
people who encourage me is a village

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worthy of seeing the castle, the
village, because it is very like white

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houses, very Mediterranean. They have
the beach very nice and the atmosphere is

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tremendous, because, that is,
all the time of the craft stall do

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not allow that there are stalls that
are not the handmade rtesanía, there will

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be all by hand very very beautiful. He lives on that detail and they

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' re on lawns. People feel
good there the great what prettyly everyone there

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is grai for all audiences. What
it will be in the evening, night

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by night, nine alone, nine
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tends to stand out. 16th of
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Friday and then and being August also
and Alta Fulla, so it is very

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nice the place, very or good, as you know, Mrs A,

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those of the CatalanÁria and those
tourists who go on the peninsula from north

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to south, east to west backpack
and to enjoy a concert of salt one

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hundred and fifty in Alta Fuja on
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night, rather in summer, to
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the night there in a campsite and
dot and they have a bomb, so

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notice that they have already given them
the very close pattern of Altafuya. There

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are two campsites there, two or
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which is also a beautiful beach,
spectacular, with the castle next to

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a beautiful cove. Yes, yes, yes, very very poetic of Altafulia.

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So there are fumpings, there are
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very touristy. Wow, yeah,
yeah. Phenomenon. Miguel and Rosa hear

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how many years you, well,
talk about people who had a spiritual experience

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many years ago and I, thinking
of you who know you a little bit,

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are two different worlds. Rosa you
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very Catalan and such and Miguel too. But it is like many of us,

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a townhouse of Catalan ultras. No. But Miguel, a self-

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taught man to see you stay.
I said in it this morning' s

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preamble that if it was Maliquian I
would see it, Miguel, take it,

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take it to him, take it
in the suitcase and wish I would

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take it to carry boxes. No. Yeah, yeah, no, no,

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yeah, I' m riding is
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we' ve seen Amalec once and
I don' t know how to love

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it. Yeah, there was one
thing that made me tell Miguel like you,

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like you. Well, other than
that he' s very funny talking

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and he' s got the songs, which is very funny, I have

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Miguel who has it too. Yes, yes, yes, the irony of

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humorous Miguel. So, the ramican
also does not. But then, in

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the end, he did one thing
that I told Miguel does as you do,

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which caused a very special atmosphere in
mejo, true that is that he

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took off the true song, the
badness or the shirt or whatever he wore

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and went through the audience playing the
violin the only wow. She was amazed.

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And that' s what Miguel does, too. Yes, Miguel did

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years ago. This was a few
years ago. What a sight he has

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copied from you and copied. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I' m

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missing the step of taking off the
shirt I' m on. Well,

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he hears us, but it'
s true. Now, Maliquian, I

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haven' t seen him in a
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No. But if he doesn'
t move, he won' t

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leave the stage. You' re
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of art. I love it.
I love it now. I love it

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Well, you guys are in life
then. How long it has been,

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how it has been and what has
happened between you each or two different worlds,

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you meet and form are also friends, then I engaged you and then

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you form part of a Christian community, marrying and taking your backpack and there

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you go to wherever it takes you
to start all this, well, I,

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as you very well said, come
from a Catalan context. My parents

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were Catholics, but they left,
they walked away, they left my faith.

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In fact, my father stopped believing. My mother didn' t,

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but my father did and well,
but I kept going to church alone.

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I did everything, made the confirmation, went to groups of young people and

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when I was twenty years old,
because I played the gralla. That one

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wasn' t doing a piano career, too, but he played the gralla.

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And then the former pastor of the
Church, because they had me a

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group since it was called Dulcinea full
with Michael and invited me to play with

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them. And well, and there, then, came love. We didn

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' t have a crush there,
musical crush, and we started to first

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that, to be friends. It
took little time to be friends and right

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away, the purest of boyfriends.
And when we started being boyfriends, I

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started attending church as well. And
well that in my family, because it

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was a shock a very strong shock, a cultural shock. Well, they

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told me they ate the bit.
Not now, but at first it was

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a strong clash because they, well
that although they were nominal, because they

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were Catholics and at that time the
Church. I believe that now the Evangelical

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Church is much better known. But
of course, we' re talking about

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thirty- three years ago. It
wasn' t so well known it was

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something else. I don' t
know what for kids was like residual.

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our struggles, in us, we
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after a year, we already had
super in love. But in my

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family, about my family, we
go in Miguel' s family, there

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was no problem. But in my
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All this is clear, too.
For my family it was already a

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gift and I, for his family, was a threat. Well, your

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father was telling me how you'
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you' re going to build it. Explain to me yes, yes,

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now they have changed a lot,
I mean, they have changed thanks to

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Miguel and to knowing his family and
giving his vision has been now totally different.

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Of course, the atmosphere of the
class that belongs to your family and

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lives in another environment, and it
is normal to retrain life in a certain

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way. But, for example,
Miguel, that you came, from me

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I remember legendaryly, I did not
know you so closely, but indirectly the

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times of Dulcinea foll Oliva negra,
so many musicians from the city of Tarragona

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that at one moment they knew Jesus
through one of the first pastors that there

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was there in the church formerly not
a man so it was at that time

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very dynamic and also and among that
baking more or less you arrived. No

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yes, I arrived a little later, because they already, well, they

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already take time. They are older, let' s say not, the

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black olive metamorphosis. Yes, they
were bands of jas rock that already existed

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here in Tarragona. No, yes, and it was good. I was

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a neighborhood full of raising in the
neighborhood, we were already making whistles,

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let' s put on our first
group, because at the fifteen years of

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a group called Flor de lis and
that we came to compose nine songs,

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because at sixteen, seventeen years old, and well it lasted little, because

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the mili arrived the brides and they
were made the group. So, no

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one wanted to go on, but
I wanted to go on. It was

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the only thing about the group I
wanted to follow. In fact, I

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went one by one to their homes
to say hey we' re going to

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continue. But none of them wanted
it then. I, at that moment

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I was playing the electric guitar and
at the age of nineteen, because in

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a neighborhood atmosphere, imagine with the
music, there come other things that is

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not music, atmosphere of local,
of motherhood, of chaos, of all

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kinds. You can imagine, because
what serves in a neighborhood and there came

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everything a little scrambled. I was
nineteen years old, because I have my

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sights and it was because of one
of the musicians who were already there,

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because one day they asked us the
place to meet there to tollos an experience

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with Jesus, and they already come
in their rehabilitation center and they, they

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already talked about Jesus in the streets, they sang praise and one day they

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asked us the place to meet and
I stayed at that small meeting and although

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I honestly didn' t want to
know much about what was going on,

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but something happened inside me and when
I heard the praises and what they were

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talking, the truth that there I
believe it was the man who touched my

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heart through the music and I had
as my first impact there. I don

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' t speak spiritual, it happened
inside me, no, but although I

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didn' t pay much attention to
it, I followed with my life And

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it was at nineteen years when I
had my encounter with Jesus and it was

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private because I was alone in a
bank of that sweep, because I opened

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it my heart and asked if it
was really alive, if it was real,

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it wasn' t a strange religious
story and there I didn' t

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find my person with Jesus, being
alone in a ban covid or seeing something

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I didn' t have. It
gave me a lot of peace. He

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gave me something a very big gift. It gave me peace at that time

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that a part that I had never
experienced anything like that. They are to

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me a treasure that I still keep
my preserve. There, just at that

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age I started playing the violin,
also because I started listening to Celtic music.

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I was passionate. Celtic music connected
with a tremendous form. That'

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s where I started with the violin, my fully self- taught career.

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I' m going to Barcelona with
ten zero pesetas from the old ones saved.

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I bought my violin in the house
for Ramón de las Ramblas in Barcelona

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and started playing totally self- taught, asking people how they do this and

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this and that and says because at
that time you already see, because there

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was no YouTube, there was nothing, there were no tutorials, like now,

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that there is a lot of information, and neither did we have the

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truth. My economy no longer allowed
me, it allowed me to have a

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teacher and you learned. So and
so I don' t go on and

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the rest, I' ve already
bought it pink that we met there in

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that context and I already tell you
how silver makes music that until today,

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because we' re still there in
the battle. That' s nice,

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that' s nice,' cause
everything' s good. I remember back

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like this among people, then more
closely, no, and then the music.

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Music has been a vital part and
continues to be a part, because

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the moment you assume the leadership of
the group salt one hundred and fifty,

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there is an extraordinary change. There' s an impulse in the group.

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There is an opening, there are
new creations, there are open doors,

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there is a trajectory, there is
very good music, very good music composed.

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And I don' t know if
you notice, but you are very

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dear. Hey, you guys are
so dear. Not only in the evangelical

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sphere, which was very popular even
in many areas. I' ve detected

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it. I can have another perception. Not then, that' s wonderful

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00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:59.679
when people love you, but how
you live it. Well, that'

411
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:12.480
s really helped us through very difficult
times. We haven' t noticed judgment

412
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:20.559
or sometimes say that that makes a
big difference when you go through traumatic times,

413
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:29.280
as the fact that people around you. You notice the warmth and the

414
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:37.360
affection, because it makes that more
bearable. We' ve never noticed judgment,

415
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:42.599
we' ve never noticed it at
least, or if we' ve

416
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.559
ever perceived anything, it' s
been from people far away. Yeah,

417
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:52.079
that' s appreciated and makes a
difference, because so that doesn' t

418
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:58.320
become a sick thing for the owner. If people accompany you to the people

419
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:02.519
around you and they' re not
and they' re there, then that

420
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:07.119
' s very appreciated. Sure to
put our listeners in position. Some are

421
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:12.800
watching for fabur like, but they
won' t listen and they will hear

422
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:19.039
us even more in many Spanish cities
through the FM. When life hurts,

423
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.000
when life sees it and can'
t hurt life more than when you lose

424
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:28.480
a child, right, a husband? A wife? A wife or a

425
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:34.039
husband or a son? A father
or a mother? A mother or a

426
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:38.239
son? Especially a father, parents. Then, when life hurts and hurts

427
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:45.599
truly and so I have titled this, going through the valley of shadow,

428
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:52.599
of death, which is the psalm
of David, because David tells many things,

429
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:57.599
of the psalms, of bitter moments
of life. He speaks of many

430
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.639
victories as well and euphoric moments of
because he was a great king. But

431
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.440
he also speaks of anguish. He' s talking about a lot of distress.

432
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.000
And that tells me about realism.
Life sometimes gives us a setback.

433
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.599
When life hurts, how it hurts, how you did it. For our

434
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:21.239
listeners lived the loss of a son
a few years later, the loss of

435
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:27.239
a daughter. How can you process
that until I ask it now because I

436
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.920
know in what condition you are if
I wouldn' t be able to ask

437
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:37.559
us. Well, actually, it' s things that you hear from us,

438
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:43.280
no, and you think it can
never happen to you, because you

439
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:44.840
think you' re that Christian like
you' re protected from those things.

440
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.039
And there' s a cover.
Sometimes he talks about a cover that'

441
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.800
s there protecting you and that these
things can' t happen to you because

442
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.599
God is there in control of everything. No, and sometimes it' s

443
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:01.320
not. In fact, well,
have a lot in the Bible of how

444
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:05.559
David you just named King David,
who also lost a son. Yes,

445
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.320
he prayed with all his will,
with his strength to God that the Anaray

446
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:15.519
did not heal him, but David
said a very nice thing at that time.

447
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:20.760
It is very profound that we take
it very seriously. And that doesn

448
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.119
' t take away the moment you' ve passed too and the battle.

449
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.840
But he said one thing that helps
us a lot to understand. He said

450
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:34.920
when the son died. He told
the servants good to bring me food of

451
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.840
life. He girded himself, he
ate a drink, and David was told.

452
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:42.039
We don' t understand when your
son was there alive, You were

453
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.119
there in fasting and now that he' s already dead, You now ask

454
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.320
for food. We don' t
quite understand what happened. Vaguien has to

455
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:52.519
be a little upside down and he
said look, He' s not coming.

456
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:59.920
He' s already gone, but
I' m going towards him and

457
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.559
that' s something that we have
very much in mind. The loss of

458
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.280
a child is something that' s
kind of like for you to have an

459
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.639
idea, like you got pierced by
a sword in your heart, like a

460
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:15.719
limb was ripped out of you.
It' s a very painful and good

461
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:20.880
thing, we make decisions at the
time. Not one thing that has helped

462
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:25.559
us a lot is to be together, to work as a team, to

463
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:30.119
support us and the first thing we
did was to throw out, to ignore

464
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.679
the voice, that which is the
voice that can crush you, the voice

465
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.239
of guilt, the voice of the
fucking skill that comes to tell you that

466
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:38.599
bad you are that bad father or
more allowed. That' s gonna lift

467
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:44.239
us up. You' re sunk, you' re failed, and that

468
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:50.079
voice we had to silence in our
relationship and take exa connection. It is

469
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:55.679
not the decision to support us,
to love us, to take care of

470
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.559
us, to take care of our
children, also and to let us love

471
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:04.559
people who love us for friends,
also to choose very well who you are

472
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:09.039
with. No, because in those
moments be a little selective, because there

473
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:15.239
are people who can put up with
you a lot, just put with their

474
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.119
presence, with their silence, and
other people can do you more harm.

475
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.320
You know, it' s not
a moment where you' re very vulnerable

476
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:27.000
in the very open wound. It
is a sincere support of people who love

477
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:32.719
you and, of course, the
most beautiful tool we have is the one

478
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:38.920
that to this day you continue to
help us to endure the pain, because

479
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:43.199
faith does not take away the pain. But faith is the most beautiful tool

480
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:47.880
we have, because it will continue
to walk and have hope in what lies

481
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.599
ahead to know how to believe with
all conviction that one day we will see

482
00:45:52.599 --> 00:46:00.320
our children again. That' s
right, buddy, that' s because

483
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:07.760
a lot of people when you live
things that Dr Dockson said, when what

484
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.280
God does apparently or allows doesn'
t make sense. There aren' t

485
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:16.519
so many others. Donald has also
talked about this issue. Where is God

486
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:22.039
in our tragedies, when we are
believers and see wonderful things and that is

487
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:30.000
what anchored us still, but things
come harder than that can no longer come,

488
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:36.800
but things that are really very strong. And where God is. And

489
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:44.360
one and one would say I remember
Psalm forty- two. No. When

490
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:49.159
David says when my present will come
before my tears, they were my bread

491
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:55.000
day and night. Lord David was
desperate and said I was going to be

492
00:46:55.159 --> 00:47:00.239
mourning for the oppression I have,
the anguish I have so live the bitterly

493
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:06.440
clear life. The Book of Psalms
is one thing because he is a man

494
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:10.840
of our dough, He is a
human being like us, who has lived

495
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:17.760
things. It is the wonderful thing
about the word of God that does not

496
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:25.760
hide the weakness of those super kings
and good and apostles and prophets, but

497
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.880
does not hide the moments of great
weakness. For example, we talked about

498
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:36.559
David, that the word does not
hide its moment of sin, does not

499
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:42.679
espouse its moment of failure or with
the son Absalom, of well, so

500
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.159
many strong moments that the word does
not say as much as they are.

501
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:52.320
No and that is a very beautiful
thing where we can feel so identified when

502
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:58.559
we go through moments, because that
like us, we, the strongest feeling,

503
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:02.599
stronger than that of guilt, when
we lost two children, that is,

504
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:06.519
it comes with the first one,
but especially with the death of Ana

505
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:10.199
two and a half years ago,
the strongest feeling was failure, a shocking

506
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:22.360
failure. But in those moments there
is also an encounter with God if you

507
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:30.400
seek Him from the heart, as
there has never been, also when the

508
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:36.519
Psalm twenty- three says that the
rod of the Lord comforts you. You

509
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.679
can experience it as flesh. That' s not how. The lord comforts

510
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:45.000
you and you don' t even
know how he does it, but he

511
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.559
does it and you can keep walking
and you can keep walking. And people

512
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:51.360
tell you you' re very strong. It' s a lie. I

513
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.599
say when he tells us you are
very strong. I say it goes if

514
00:48:54.719 --> 00:49:01.119
we feel super vulnerable, s s
s p s weak, and that weakness

515
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:08.079
we will always carry, as long
as we go with it. But the

516
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:14.800
Lord is our strength and we feel
as he renews our illusion for life,

517
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:20.320
renews our strength. Daily. It' s a daily thing, it'

518
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.199
s not like it is. Yesterday
we talked about it with the friends of

519
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:30.679
the Center and told them it is
like that daily gift that God has for

520
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:35.320
you that if you go to look
for it, it feeds you for that

521
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.159
day, for today, for today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, how

522
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:45.840
interesting it isn' t to tell
this. I mean, you say the

523
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:54.599
feeling I knew up close I didn' t ana and it made me think

524
00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:01.920
that I was a seemingly happy girl
and a creator an extraordinary musical talent,

525
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:07.360
besides very pretty. But he tells
me about the secret world of our children,

526
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:15.239
a secret world that we can'
t even the smartest can be noticed

527
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:19.920
in so many cases. There is
a secret world of their something that happens

528
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:23.440
to them in their inner world.
And Miguel and Rosa there are parents who

529
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:30.000
have also lost their children now and
who still find some. This is a

530
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:35.519
wound, as Serrad said, not
the wounds of life, death and love,

531
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.920
not that they are the three wounds
of life. Well, Miguel Hernández,

532
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:45.840
but the famous poem. But that' s what you carry in your

533
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:51.159
soul all your life. But there
are parents who are like in a prison.

534
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:57.559
The mourning is perpetuated and the anguish
and so and what you would say

535
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:05.039
to them, because I know you
have something to tell them, man,

536
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:13.000
like first, that mourning cannot be
something static passive, because we are here

537
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:15.800
today talking to him with you and
as the listeners who are connected here.

538
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:21.440
But there is also thanks to the
fact that we have worked, we have

539
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:24.559
done a job and we continue to
do it, because we do not consider

540
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:30.039
that we have already done it either. Well, it goes two and a

541
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.480
half years ago. Personally, it
was now January 10, two years ago,

542
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:39.880
two thousand twenty- two. We
do not consider that we have already

543
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:45.880
overcome something. In fact, we
believe that this is not overcome. Rather

544
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.840
we have changed the word out to
integrate, integrate our lives, not something,

545
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:55.360
because normalizing a situation, our new
reality. We' ve had to

546
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:02.440
normalize it and above all not disguise
it. We have decided that our duel

547
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:07.719
will not be a disguised duel,
because it is not a duel based on

548
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:13.199
pills, medicines that is respectable.
I am not saying that sometimes they are

549
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.440
necessary and, of course, there
are no cases and no cases. In

550
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:21.679
our case we decided to give up
their medications, because it is true that

551
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:25.679
medications can anesthetize you a little bit
and not let flow those emotions that have

552
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.719
to be necessary, such as crying, crying, sadness, feeling those feelings

553
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:36.639
of failure that lost them. That' s all normal. It' s

554
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.119
part of the duel. The rage, the rage against everything, against us,

555
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:43.400
against our daughter, Bueno Ana,
if anyone doesn' t know,

556
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:47.239
for them died by suicide, already
committed suicide while in a shared pool in

557
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:54.360
Barcelona studying music, because she that
step that you said well Andés Julio,

558
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:59.679
is one thing that you don'
t see, not because we thought it

559
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:02.840
was okay. We saw her well, we had focused her, not socially

560
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:08.039
as with friends, to make a
pretty social life. No, and then

561
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:14.280
you don' t expect something like
that, but those things we did.

562
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:19.960
Now we see that they helped us
a lot. We do not also surround

563
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:28.280
ourselves with sincere friends, friends,
to be accompanied among ourselves and with sincere

564
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.559
friends to talk a lot. We
decided that the death of our children was

565
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.639
not going to be a taboo issue
in our home. It would not be

566
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.400
a taboo subject. It would be
a topic, therefore, to speak every

567
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:43.639
day, to be able to express
ourselves, to be able to lend many

568
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:45.119
emotions, with tranquility, with freedom, and to have much patience among us.

569
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:52.760
Tozu put a lot of patience because
sometimes, well, there is a

570
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:58.920
large percentage of more than half of
marriages living a bad picture that five percent

571
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.920
don' t separate, they end
up divorced and it' s normal.

572
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:06.920
It' s normal. I don' t say it' s normal,

573
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.360
because sadness is very deep and sometimes
the processes are different, that one process

574
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:15.119
is crazy the other woman and when
it goes a respect, there' s

575
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:17.679
no patience through it, because it' s easy for that to happen.

576
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:24.119
Those things didn' t stay long, it helped a lot to work the

577
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:30.320
fact that we didn' t stay
stuck in our house, because really what

578
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.920
I sometimes wanted to just stay in
bed, for example, didn' t

579
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:35.320
want to get up. I had
a fight to get out of bed.

580
00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:38.320
In fact, I tell you where
I' m going, if I feel

581
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.000
like the most failed father on this
earth, what am I going to do?

582
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:46.440
I won' t be able to
follow a normal life, but we

583
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:52.960
decided to fight that, to get
up and walk, to be together,

584
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:58.719
to do the daily things of the
day, together, to go shopping,

585
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:05.079
to go, to walk more insignificant
things and, of course, to follow

586
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.519
music and all that is to express. It is something very good, very

587
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.199
positive, very recommended, everything that
is to express, express as speaking,

588
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:17.800
expressing, crying, expressing, playing
music, writing. There comes the idea

589
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:22.159
of a book that we have no
pretensions to write a book. We had

590
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:24.719
never written in our lives and had
little to have. We' ve got

591
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:30.000
plans. The most we' ve
ever written were songs. But, because

592
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:35.599
this led him to write, write
that emotion, those feelings, that contradiction

593
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:40.719
that one feels, those things that
that chaos And that worked for us.

594
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:45.519
When we wrote, we' d
say we had a form of crying,

595
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:50.840
but it' s deeper than the
soul. And there was born that book

596
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:57.440
that we could also locate, because
we thought that it would be good for

597
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:02.320
other people to know some tools that
we have used for today to be here

598
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:07.880
not and to continue living well that
book. I want to say something about

599
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:14.360
and I was in the initial presentation
of that book. I' m going

600
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:19.159
to explain to people that book is
essential for anyone who knows someone, who

601
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.440
has someone in the family, who
has lived it, who has tried and

602
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:27.280
that is an essential book. I' m going to tell you the title

603
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.360
may sound a little weird, but
understand. I will put the book in

604
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:36.159
context in Catalan there is a phrase
that is very popular here, as well

605
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:39.840
as very colloquial of the people of
the street. Fuckin' shit, which

606
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:44.880
is fucking shit, of course,
that was so strong. That didn'

607
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.360
t do colloquially, but no,
no, no, without being cheesy in

608
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:54.599
any way. Realistically, the subject
is a family member, a very close

609
00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:00.079
relative. It comes and clear,
evidently, a daughter after living with a

610
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.599
little boy who had died in an
accident. I didn' t go in

611
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.239
a pool the inexplicable way, because
it' s just that it was impossible

612
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:12.239
to get to that place. But
you know how kids are. But the

613
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:16.000
case and after a few years live
this tragedy with ana and then the enraged

614
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:22.760
family member you say done, this
is fucking shit, a green Pepa that

615
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:28.639
in Catalan is an expression of regret
no, and then they take the title

616
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:37.360
and include it good. I tell
you so many hundreds and hundreds of people

617
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:42.679
who have read that book. The
book is testimonial, it is experiential,

618
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:47.280
it is magnificent. You can find
him in the bookhouse. I have it

619
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:53.360
here, there it is, it
appears in many places, on many platforms,

620
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:58.679
and it is a living mourning with
hope. It is a book that

621
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:01.519
must be read for those who are
this or have friends or have lived it,

622
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:07.480
do not lose sight of this book, although I already tell you the

623
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:12.280
good title for a person who does
not have any religious feeling, because it

624
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:14.400
will not mean not to be Danil, but some will say I am scandalous.

625
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.360
Not good. I put them in
context. Uh, and they,

626
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:22.000
from there, dare everything to give
that name, because it' s that

627
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:27.960
I would have said that as in
despair, anguish, inexplicable, what'

628
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:35.199
s going on here. No,
but they never lost. The North assured

629
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:38.000
him. I talked to Miguel and
Rosa in one of the conversations that only

630
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:43.960
sometimes what you wanted to be next
to her nothing if you didn' t

631
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:49.199
need to talk sometimes, but because
I love them very much. But my

632
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:53.880
wife and I, but once,
when they write that thing about holding on

633
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:59.280
to a burning nail, I asked
them in a conversation this is like a

634
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:04.880
running forward to the desperate. I
mean, we' re going to run

635
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:10.840
away from this because this kills us
to this anguish and I understood yes,

636
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:17.960
yes, without perhaps giving false explanations. They know where, to the flight,

637
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:23.880
forward, to where they ran,
to Jesus. It is not,

638
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:30.719
it is not a topic, eh
they ran and towards Jesus, both on

639
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:37.440
the first occasion and on the latter, towards Jesus, his destiny, his

640
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:45.039
anchor, his safe place, his
strength. I know them closely. And

641
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:49.920
this because now, now, in
that new version, the book, the

642
00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:54.280
popular music, the concerts, so
many people who listen to you. And

643
00:59:54.320 --> 01:00:00.880
when people hear the stories, I' ve been in places where they'

644
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:07.159
re playing and suddenly there' s
like a silence like people give up.

645
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:15.280
It says this is incredible, it
is humanly unbearable and this also gives hope.

646
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:22.559
To those who are desperate, right, yes, yes, pink Ay

647
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:28.199
Miguel How it happens. That happens
at concerts, because when, as always,

648
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.559
there is some song that used to
be to Juana, now it is

649
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:36.480
to Ana that we dedicate it to
them and that helps us a lot.

650
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:42.880
It' s those little things that
are done in mourning, that help pay

651
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:46.880
homage to those who have left.
And well, for us, every concert

652
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:52.199
is a tribute to our children.
Many times we dedicate it before starting the

653
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:59.679
concert to say, because we dedicate
it to anais and then we always dedicate

654
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:02.960
something to them a song. And
there is a song that is dedicated to

655
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:08.239
Ana that we always sing, which
is called worth living. We' re

656
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:15.920
talking about ours, this testimony and
this process that we' re going through

657
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:16.679
in mourning and of course, it' s true. And clear people empathize

658
01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:23.880
with you, especially those who are
parents. But, well, people listen

659
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:30.440
and emphasize with you and say I
know I don' t understand how you

660
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:34.840
can later. Well, a woman
didn' t tell you about it very

661
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.840
recently that she also lost a child, but by accident and the husband and

662
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:40.239
she was telling us that I don' t know how you can sing and

663
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:45.000
be like this. Well, and
I told him, then, because the

664
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:52.239
truth is that we can sing,
because we have faith, because we firmly

665
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:57.719
believe we have the firm conviction that
they are waiting for us, that we

666
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:05.800
will come to them again when there
is some shadow of doubt, we return

667
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.480
to the Lord and help us maintain
and preserve this faith until the end,

668
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:13.719
until the day we leave. And
but this hope of seeing them again encourages

669
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:22.480
us and not really is such a
great hope that good also gives us within

670
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:27.800
pain and sadness, because we also
have that joy that we have this hope

671
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:34.360
and we can give thanks that we
have hope, that we continue to live,

672
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:39.119
that we continue to have illusions to
live, illusion for life, illusion

673
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:45.360
to continue walking, illusion to continue
fighting and, well, that we can

674
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:50.800
give many thanks. How nice to
hear it, how nice to see it

675
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:55.800
and live it like this in the
midst of suffering, emotional, psychological shifrin

676
01:02:55.800 --> 01:03:00.519
of all kinds. You have finished
a course or you are kind of a

677
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.840
master' s degree that has been
very intense, very deep on the subject

678
01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:07.639
of suicide. Tell us a little
bit about it. Yeah, yeah,

679
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:15.119
the truth is we were already doing
it. We already felt that a little

680
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:20.559
bit like the need to be able
to help, we didn' t want

681
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:25.679
to help young people, people who
are perhaps the most asked. And seeing

682
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:31.320
that suicide is still a rather taboo
andial subject, the truth of ours is

683
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:37.239
also, because we began to talk, to talk to young people and we

684
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:44.679
are going to go to groups,
to some institutes, even to talk about

685
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:50.679
young people before third and fourth of
that and we saw that it was very,

686
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:55.039
very necessary and many young people,
because they have no answers, but

687
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:59.639
they have many questions, then we
believed that yes. We had the experience

688
01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:08.599
of what happened to us in our
house. He has titled this interview through

689
01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:15.440
the fall shadow of death, death
needs us. Well, our children,

690
01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:21.599
too, our parents, died to
do little too. But well, a

691
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:26.039
father' s death gets tangled up
in the different one, because it'

692
01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:29.239
s like it' s something more
natural than it already normalizes it. It

693
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.000
' s because he plays he'
s not an age, a son.

694
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:34.159
It' s like he' s
saying wow this has happened here. No,

695
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:39.239
this wouldn' t touch now.
But that did not come to feel

696
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:43.639
the need to form ourselves from him, because we had the experience, but

697
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:46.000
we did not have the training.
And that' s why he saw it

698
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:53.519
very interesting to do this course that
honestly, it' s a very powerful

699
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:55.599
course of many hours and we had
our doubts whether we really could or not.

700
01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:03.000
But the psychologist I was carrying,
let' s say, is already

701
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:08.119
the course. He knew us.
We also met in Madrid, in a

702
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:13.239
kisa to Furum that has shared our
experience and we consulted him how you see

703
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:15.480
us to do this. You see
him very strong at this moment for us,

704
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:20.239
two years ago our daughter died and
he told us not having met you

705
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:25.119
having you. I' ve heard
you talk and I think you can do

706
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:29.800
it, you' re prepared and
although it' s really been hard because

707
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:32.159
every time you talk about this topic
like if the wound opens, why.

708
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:39.599
But we saw that it was very
good to have tools to be able to

709
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:42.360
speak, to be able to name
what we are feeling, to what we

710
01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:45.519
have experienced. And we just finished
it right now. And the truth is

711
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:47.800
that we' ve learned a lot
of things that they didn' t know

712
01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:54.320
before. Hopefully, we would have
known this before not by making signs,

713
01:05:54.440 --> 01:06:00.960
by making risk factors, as prevented, even focused on suicide prevention, because

714
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:06.440
look good in the whole world and
in the first world very good and in

715
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:11.639
all the worlds good, perhaps in
the worlds yes, it is a global

716
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:19.039
issue. But in our country,
so many boys and girls and in so

717
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:23.639
many cases there is no one.
Maybe if you don' t know,

718
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:28.320
it' s not easy to spot. There are cases that are like manifestos,

719
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:30.800
but it was not the case,
for example, of Ana. And

720
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:41.000
then clear and how important it is
and I celebrate and congratulate you on the

721
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:46.880
desire to help others doing this over
effort through the book, through a high

722
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:55.599
level of rigorous training to have powerful
tools through music and concerts, where they

723
01:06:55.639 --> 01:07:00.519
are also very popular and there is
a lot of musical creativity and a great

724
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:10.639
enjoyment. But at the same time
there are moments where you also break in

725
01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:17.599
a little bit, a testimony and
people, and many people feel concerned,

726
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:23.679
many people feel conternity for someone in
the family, for a friend, for

727
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:30.159
someone very close. So, because
it' s a real concern, it

728
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:33.719
' s a global epidemic. So
I really congratulate you and congratulations on doing

729
01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:36.920
this job, on helping people.
That' s the reason I know it

730
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:45.199
' s really moving you. We
also believe that it has a sense of

731
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:50.639
doing so. We do not believe
that one thing that we always thought and

732
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:54.960
apart from our prayer to God,
was to tell him, please, that

733
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:59.119
all this at least we understand,
but it is, please, make sense,

734
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:02.199
not that we can in RNS s
NS. There came a time when

735
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:11.000
we no longer ask God so much, because sometimes God does not respond or

736
01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:15.000
does not respond at the moment you
desire. At some point where we said

737
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:19.159
well, we understand that perhaps it
is not the time to have the answer,

738
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:23.920
but yes, please help us to
what we are feeling, what we

739
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:27.880
are suffering, because the shy ones
make sense. I don' t have

740
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:30.600
one for which it can' t
be used and it can be benefits of

741
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:34.840
others. And that is why we
decided to be what we are in the

742
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:43.880
form of reform. Well, we' ve also learned that suicide says the

743
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:48.479
typical phrase of formation. This is
nobody' s fault, but it'

744
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:55.520
s all our responsibility. I mean, it' s not just health care

745
01:08:55.880 --> 01:09:02.319
or psychologists or it' s responsibility
for everything. No, because we have

746
01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:10.039
a generation of young people with many
mental problems and that is the responsibility of

747
01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:14.920
society as a whole, not just
hospitals or psychiatrists, but society as a

748
01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:25.319
whole. Well, if we have
been trained to have tools and how interesting,

749
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:30.600
the music, the concerts, the
street that I love about you,

750
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:35.520
well, in the Community, your
Community, I would like to hear how

751
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:45.600
important a Christian Community is at any
time of crisis, of high voltage and

752
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:51.239
I know your Community, well,
it is very close to my heart too

753
01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:56.880
and it has been a therapeutic community. Brotherly love, right, true love,

754
01:09:57.399 --> 01:10:02.359
brotherly, right? A lot,
a lot is what he said that

755
01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:13.399
makes the big difference between a duel
being sick and being traumatic or a healthy

756
01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:17.119
duel. The duel must be spent
the same. But if people have a

757
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:24.479
year and understand you and support you, because it is much healthier, grief,

758
01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:32.359
yes it is how important it is
surrounded by that spiritual mattress, emotional

759
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:43.399
and friends, friends, companions,
deep friends and respect of people yes and

760
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:51.800
practical love, because the truth that
at the moment one thinks it is of

761
01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:59.640
no use, like that you are
not very useful going to visit someone who

762
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:01.840
is going through a moment like this, it does not seem like I sometimes

763
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:05.800
felt like that, well, what
it will serve, tell him something or

764
01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:13.600
go to see him. But we
have experienced more help than you think.

765
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:17.119
Not just like just counting ben being
by your side. Not sometimes it'

766
01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:20.439
s not about talking, but being
by your side and saying look who.

767
01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:24.520
Today I don' t know what
to tell you, because I don'

768
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:27.279
t have to go through, but
here I am and you can count on

769
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:30.199
me for whatever my hand is doing. That' s a tremendous help and

770
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:32.079
then it helps to practice. For
example, someone who' s coming says

771
01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:36.359
hey. It doesn' t tell
you, well, find yourself one day

772
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:39.359
we' re going to eat.
No, no, he doesn' t

773
01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:43.119
say such a day we' re
going to eat and he has a date

774
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:45.720
already directly, because he knows that, maybe, you' re not even

775
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:50.039
strong enough to like a day or
dare in that moment of so intense pain

776
01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:51.920
and so beautiful people who came and
said hey this day let' s see

777
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:55.880
you. It comes well, we
want this day to go to a restaurant

778
01:11:56.119 --> 01:12:00.439
and we invite you to eat,
to be together, to chat how good

779
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:05.439
practical love. I don' t
remember saying that my sister was a sleazy

780
01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:12.840
sister of our community, who shared
every Wednesday to bring to our house a

781
01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:18.000
potato tortulla made by her potato maker, and every Wednesday she was faithful to

782
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:21.720
the hour in the afternoon she came
with her sweet potato corpiedity. I left

783
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:30.279
it there takes things like that from
areas like that, not so pretty that

784
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:36.960
you say funny the practical love,
the practical details that is that someone how

785
01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:41.279
nice. He hears songs. I
remember, you talked about worth living that

786
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:47.840
song, but also hidden reasons.
Not a song that seemed almost like I

787
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:54.000
didn' t know it and pretend
it for comfort and hope in the middle

788
01:12:54.079 --> 01:13:00.960
of a situation that would come soon
after not and then I' ll resist

789
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:04.479
in the middle when you sometimes say
good, I can' t anymore and

790
01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:08.439
it collapses the whole and doesn'
t get into the bunker of life and

791
01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:14.279
says good. Here I am,
and to God, let it go as

792
01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:19.479
it is then. But it'
s important because sometimes many people' s

793
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:26.960
lives are blocked forever by these traumas. Not then the songs, the music

794
01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:30.760
and above all the popular music,
is that your style is peculiar and the

795
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:33.920
people who hear us, those who
know you, know you, love us,

796
01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:41.079
we are passionate. But that close
popular style or lyrics that suggest things

797
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:45.720
of life, feelings, intimacies that
allude to divinity, but in such a

798
01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:53.119
way occasionally and very intelligent, without
that it is something lazy and as very

799
01:13:53.439 --> 01:14:01.000
proselytizing, which is not the way. Then and people are left unabated and

800
01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:08.319
then, in the good popular moments, with the Celtic music now or with

801
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:15.520
the accordion or with the violin,
with your instruments, now we have translated

802
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:19.760
into the gaita, the gaita,
this, this more Celtic, cannot be.

803
01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:27.000
Uh, so there aren' t
so many Celtic music bands in Spain

804
01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:30.439
either. There is a section of
the short Celts that, by the way,

805
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:36.479
the short Celts mentioned to you as
territorially on some occasions of the past.

806
01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:45.359
Hey, I remember in your good
times. Not because there isn'

807
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:49.279
t that much Celtic music in Spain, is there, and there aren'

808
01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:54.199
t that many. No, but
there is. Perhaps what there are are

809
01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:59.520
more traditional, more traditional type where
good has in your space, has your

810
01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:03.720
hij exam. But if it is
true that what we do, that fusion

811
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:08.239
that we have, because it allows
us to play in many places, it

812
01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:13.039
is not either a festival foll either
because one like now, for example,

813
01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:16.520
the Fira de hace sans or it
is a festival of beer or a festival

814
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:20.720
of wine, for example, or
medieval or above all in the medieval fair,

815
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:24.760
which that is a lot, not
and we fit a lot. All

816
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:28.920
this stuff that we really fit together. Yeah, yeah, hey, Miguel

817
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:35.279
and Rosas. He spent an hour
here talking. It' s that listening

818
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:40.279
to you and when there are people
who say I want the book good.

819
01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:45.039
Please buy the book. They can
find it in the gutter. I'

820
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:47.239
ve already told you. I'
m gonna put him up on the wall.

821
01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:50.359
Ours to see and tell what the
book is called. Well, he

822
01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:57.800
' s already telling them the story
so they can sit down. But they

823
01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:02.279
will understand many keys besides the interview, because, Miguel Rosa, thank you

824
01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:13.800
for being as you are of a
species. I don' t think it

825
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:17.600
' s very common. Well,
there we are, then, walking through

826
01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:25.119
that valley of shadow of death.
Not really. Thank God, because with

827
01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:30.359
our gaze on him, Jesus,
our gaze shows Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,

828
01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:38.680
Jesus is the polar star of our
life. And thanks to him,

829
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:43.680
because thanks to him who conquered death. We no longer see a death as

830
01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:45.359
an end of nothing, but on
the contrary, an end of a stage

831
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:51.880
of affliction, but a beginning of
a new stage, without pain, without

832
01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:59.800
singular affliction, a moment of precious
earthlyity. Seeing our children face to face,

833
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:02.399
look at so many people who are
no longer here that they are gone.

834
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:06.600
For us, death is the beginning
of something very beautiful that we hope

835
01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:12.279
will come one day. We'
re in no hurry. We want to

836
01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:17.079
walk the road that remains with our
eyes on him and take advantage of each

837
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:23.199
day so that we can carry hope
where there is no hope and if our

838
01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:28.560
life can go out for something,
for it is our greatest privilege that he

839
01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:29.600
can use us and as he wills
there is in his will. Of course,

840
01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:33.199
that' s ours isn' t
the end. Thank you very much.

841
01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:36.399
We balm them of the grace of
Jesus, of the grace of God.

842
01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:42.079
They' re balms. This is
how the aloe vera from heaven will

843
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:45.319
tell someone in my family, he
will see almost everything crazy, not rigid

844
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:48.720
and such not. This is the
aloe vera of heaven, but deeper,

845
01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:53.560
is not the grace of God,
which is grace, which is a balm

846
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:58.600
of the soul and which is true
and true. It is not a chimera,

847
01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:03.960
it is not a milonga, it
is not very true, because,

848
01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:06.399
dear ones, I thank you very
much for your public appearance. I know

849
01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:11.119
this does a lot of good to
a lot of people, because I'

850
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:14.279
m sending you a very, very
affectionate hug. Thank you, an English

851
01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:42.000
hug. He loves us very much, friends, even always chao or the

852
01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:59.319
train of life, life, even
if the sun shines and gives moon,

853
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:08.960
the night is extinguished, even if
they are denied by the sea and an

854
01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:17.439
abyss crosses. If I will not
meet in Fina, I will rejoice,

855
01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:32.239
and in the face of the war
I will smile, though the bird sings

856
01:19:32.239 --> 01:19:43.439
to you, and a thick mist
merdeje, though the fire no longer warm,

857
01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:50.560
it is hard for me to breathe, I will not give in,

858
01:19:53.079 --> 01:20:00.920
I will rejoice, who loves you
I will smile, I will not give

859
01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:08.079
in, I will resist, and, in the midst of the new test

860
01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:17.159
to overcome, I will not look
back. We will cross the valleys and

861
01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:27.319
the great finite cities, plains,
endless mountains, under which not of stars

862
01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:38.920
come the sun of flame, we
will open the way, although we are

863
01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:49.159
sold, we are pilgrims, see
these seasons the arrows, my words,

864
01:20:49.159 --> 01:21:18.600
my masto music. I will not
return, I will rejoice, and before

865
01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:29.000
the war I will smile, I
will not surrender, I will resist,

866
01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:54.520
and in the midst of the trial
I will overcome to buy the newspaper,

867
01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:59.199
to go to the people next door, to get rid of the traffic jams

868
01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:00.880
to lower the trip to lose you. It doesn' t matter why you

869
01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:03.399
use your bike or where you go
with it. What matters is that they

870
01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:08.239
circulate as far to the right,
that you can see with reflective elements and

871
01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:12.640
that you do not use headphones that
prevent you from hearing the rest of vehicles

872
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:15.199
on foot by bike, by motorcycle
or and car. What we want is

873
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:20.239
for you to arrive at the General
Traffic Directorate, Ministry of the Interior,

874
01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:25.279
Government of Spain. You know we' re on Facebook. You know we

875
01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:42.119
' re on Facebook connect between the
train of life is and follow us and

876
01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:45.479
follow us and we' re in
a total summer station. Hey, that

877
01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:54.119
' s it. This is summer, and a summer is coming It'

878
01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:56.920
s coming a little. He put
it on like they say. Down there

879
01:22:56.960 --> 01:23:03.600
not strong, 40 degrees this week. It seems that forty- seven are

880
01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:08.680
being advocated. Well, good God
help us. It' s starting.

881
01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:13.920
The heat is starting a little later
than usual, and that goes well with

882
01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:21.479
us. Let' s hope not, that it doesn' t end too

883
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:27.199
late, neither about the summer.
How to take care of our health in

884
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:33.279
summer. In some summer tips for
the care of our health. Drink plenty

885
01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:39.079
of liquids, even if we don' t have to avoid drinks with coffee,

886
01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:45.199
alcohol or sugar, which can favor
dehydration, reduce intense physical activities,

887
01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:49.840
outdoors during the warmest hours, look
for shade, cover your head, wear

888
01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:57.319
light and light colored clothes and also
fresh footwear, elementary things. Not good.

889
01:23:57.359 --> 01:24:00.560
The other one, rock you know, a good friend. The other

890
01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:02.640
Rock is a very multifaceted man,
in addition to being a great doctor,

891
01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:13.439
very dear, with an impressive professional
career as a pastor doctor, a pastor

892
01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:17.119
in practice, I told you,
a pastor of these who are for the

893
01:24:17.119 --> 01:24:26.560
work, and also a man licensed
in theology and other things that always make

894
01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:30.840
us that when he speaks, there
is an authority of knowledge of what is

895
01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:35.039
being talked about and we talk about
practical issues. We have asked you for

896
01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:39.560
your help as always, and I
welcome my good friend, Dr Modesto Roca.

897
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:44.520
Good morning, Modesto, Good morning, Dear July, Good morning,

898
01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:49.159
Audience, How about Modesto the summer
as well, so far we go with

899
01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:54.239
a little delay in the heat last
year. The heat started in June.

900
01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:59.520
The strong heat. Right. Yes, this year is a very special year,

901
01:24:59.680 --> 01:25:05.279
not because notice even the first days
of July has rained that it is

902
01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:11.159
for me has been exceptional here in
the surroundings, that we are with very

903
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:15.359
mild temperatures, very pleasant. Now
it' s when you start hitting hard

904
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:19.039
and when you have to take some
precautions. Of course, yes, certainly

905
01:25:20.399 --> 01:25:25.600
in summer. It' s good, it' s good, summer is

906
01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:30.560
a very light- hearted time,
very unscathed, very much so that we

907
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:33.039
all go as we go, not
because we want not also and we go

908
01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:40.560
looser. But summer also has risks
with respect to our health that we sometimes

909
01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:46.000
do not realize and some summer precautions
for health must be taken into account.

910
01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:56.079
You can give us some guidelines.
Yeah, you know that humans, well,

911
01:25:56.279 --> 01:26:00.239
some are stronger, some are weaker. It is also closely linked to

912
01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:06.960
age and conditions. A child has
less resistance than an adult and a very

913
01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:13.279
adult adult has less resistance than a
young adult. We' re not going

914
01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:15.399
to put the sixty- five-
year limit there. There are people who

915
01:26:15.399 --> 01:26:21.520
are sixty- five years old who
are very active, even at seventy,

916
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:27.159
but normally we fall into energies,
that is, the body becomes less resilient.

917
01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:32.960
This means that we have greater cords, greater body care so that we

918
01:26:33.600 --> 01:26:41.199
can enjoy the summer. I would
say with harmony, without frights and the

919
01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:46.720
big topic you mentioned just now is
to face the heat as good a good

920
01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:55.560
hydration, especially water, if it
does not look like a pathology like diabetes

921
01:26:55.720 --> 01:27:00.479
or hypertension, that they take diuretics
and, therefore, they have a greater

922
01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:05.520
risk of having a problem secondary to
the lack of fluid intake. True,

923
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:11.760
drinking plenty of fluids, avoiding alcohol. That, of course, alcohol is

924
01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:18.199
bad to see. We are not
now going to immunize alcohol in all situations,

925
01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:26.439
but it is to be of an
extraordinary califying influx, because that vasodilator

926
01:27:26.439 --> 01:27:30.760
and, therefore, can also have
very negative effects. The subject of clothing,

927
01:27:32.399 --> 01:27:39.600
you said it quite rightly. A
light dress doesn' t look very

928
01:27:39.680 --> 01:27:43.439
good to go to high- copete
restaurants and go in shorts, but down

929
01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:47.520
the street is very good. Yes, I remember years ago an experience we

930
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:53.760
had in August was in the famous
United States Vegas. We were going with

931
01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:59.000
my wife, my youngest son and
we were going, so, like tourists,

932
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:04.319
short pants, shirt, short sleeves
and we went to a place that

933
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:09.960
you would all have seen in the
cinema, which is kind of a flying

934
01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:13.880
saucer, which is on top of
a kind of ze Worlds topo pole.

935
01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:16.199
It' s called the top of
the world, it' s called too

936
01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:20.680
high, so high that when it' s up, it' s a

937
01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:23.560
restaurant, you' re looking at
helicopters that smell of height, height.

938
01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:29.039
And I remember how good we went
on a tourist and when we arrived a

939
01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:34.199
lady who played metre wow father would
not accept us if I didn' t

940
01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:39.399
wear a long sleeved shirt and well
I had to give in. Logically,

941
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:44.199
I ceded and everyone put us on
the other side of the dining room like

942
01:28:44.359 --> 01:28:48.960
the stinks, because we didn'
t carry on the mat, in the

943
01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:51.720
elegance that the place required. No, but, well, I told you

944
01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:56.600
look at you guys in Europe we' re like that, uh, fresh.

945
01:28:57.239 --> 01:29:01.760
In summer we wear much lighter clothes
and aptly the color, dark clothes.

946
01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:11.000
You know black preferentially absorbs heat,
absorbs a lot of energy, and

947
01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:15.439
that' s going to be harmful. Note that in the very warm countries,

948
01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:21.159
Cuba, countries say they are in
the torrid strip, they are going

949
01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:25.279
to wear white clothes, linen clothes, which is very fresh and white,

950
01:29:25.800 --> 01:29:30.960
because it reflects sunlight, and that
will keep the temperature cooler. Therefore,

951
01:29:31.319 --> 01:29:36.840
a good hydration, a proper clothes
and then avoid. Avoid. I would

952
01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:43.359
say mostly heavy jobs people who are
working in the field, in construction.

953
01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:49.319
Well, all this staff. I
think it' s more or less regulated

954
01:29:49.319 --> 01:29:55.079
by law, but I don'
t know if it' s very successful

955
01:29:55.159 --> 01:30:00.079
or it had to be improved so
that those people could enjoy themselves. You

956
01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:03.079
have to work in the cool hours, a little bit in the Andalusian custom.

957
01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:06.560
You know they' re very smart
in these Andalusians. Last week we

958
01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:13.439
were in Granada with my wife.
It was a personal matter and from entry

959
01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:16.520
to temperature was elevated. But you
know the heat there is much more echoing

960
01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:19.760
than here in Catalonia. Here the
heat twenty- eight degrees you are already

961
01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:24.359
unable to stand and there thirty-
two, thirty- four cuts it very

962
01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:28.399
well and at hours of intense sun
you do not see a soul in the

963
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:35.880
street. All over the world is
covered restaurants, houses, places, fresh,

964
01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:41.640
and that is highly recommended. Do
not do sport, do not go

965
01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:46.520
by bike, do not make special
efforts in times of maximum heat, why

966
01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:50.920
because of the risk to heat stroke. Heat shock, and this we have

967
01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:56.279
experienced every year in the area that
I am now, which is a medium

968
01:30:56.520 --> 01:31:02.840
- temperate help zone, but in
July August it can hit hard and every

969
01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:09.399
year we see some case in emergency
heat strokes. People who have breathing problems

970
01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:16.640
or older people are more likely to
experience heat shocks than body temperature rises above

971
01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:24.800
40 degrees. True, and then
we get into a problem, notice that

972
01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:29.920
our body temperature doesn' t reach
thirty- seven, thirty- six with

973
01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:35.279
three, about thirty- six with
two. That would be an average already

974
01:31:35.359 --> 01:31:41.000
when we went up thirty- seven
or more than thirty- seven, we

975
01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:45.359
already sweated. But when it comes
to a point where our organism already exceeds

976
01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:53.600
its regulatory capabilities, that' s
when we run the risk of heat stroke,

977
01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:59.199
then it' s tired. There
may be nausea and vomiting, there

978
01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:04.119
may even be with may have lost
consciousness, there may be a flushing of

979
01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:11.000
the face, there may be a
lack of perspiration, because the body will

980
01:32:11.079 --> 01:32:14.399
no longer give more of itself.
And it' s a danger, a

981
01:32:14.399 --> 01:32:16.760
mortal danger, danger to run,
you have to put the person in a

982
01:32:16.840 --> 01:32:25.279
cool place, you have to apply
cold cloths to him, you have to

983
01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:30.119
make him drink liquids and call emergency
and move him, because sometimes he runs

984
01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:32.800
at risk and, in fact,
notice. Every year people die for this

985
01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:41.800
cause and not a few Sometimes thousands
of people die from excess heat. Yeah,

986
01:32:41.920 --> 01:32:45.319
yeah, yeah. I' ve
seen data in Europe on heat strokes.

987
01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:50.920
Besides, Spain is a solarium.
When it squeezes the heat in everything

988
01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:59.359
it is bathed by many seas and
the subject of solar exposure that does not

989
01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:04.319
abuse the solar position. This in
the sun is certainly look. I am

990
01:33:04.399 --> 01:33:09.479
very white skin and I have already
developed two skin cancers. Glory to God

991
01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:14.319
I' m cured is fine,
but and I' m not a person

992
01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:17.399
to stand there like lizards in the
sun. I make an extremely equated use.

993
01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:23.720
But, well, there are more
delicate skins. Very white skins and

994
01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:29.039
catalog in four degrees, one or
two, three four. The whitest skin

995
01:33:29.119 --> 01:33:33.479
the Nordic skin, as it is
grade one. Black people would be gado

996
01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:38.920
four, which are less at risk, right, but skin cancer is very

997
01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:45.239
common. In fact, look at
something curious. It was the year of

998
01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:49.000
the pandemic, which, due to
the lower exposure of the sun under skin

999
01:33:49.479 --> 01:33:54.640
cancer. I' m speaking in
general in the country. The pathology statistics

1000
01:33:54.720 --> 01:34:00.600
of our country were down because people
were more recuperated at home. Then the

1001
01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:06.479
sun and I remember very striking cases
I remember two sisters already advanced. I

1002
01:34:06.520 --> 01:34:11.439
' m talking about two women over
eighty twins, I mean, identical.

1003
01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:15.880
The one was very fond of sunbathing
all her life and the other quite the

1004
01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:20.920
opposite. And you saw one and
didn' t seem to be eighty years

1005
01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:28.399
old, it seemed that she was
one hundred and twenty years wrinkled past and,

1006
01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:34.159
instead, the one who didn'
t take the sun fresh piece to

1007
01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:35.720
raise the importance of the sun,
of the excess of the sun. Obviously,

1008
01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:40.880
we cannot avoid it, but we
do have to take precautions. What

1009
01:34:40.920 --> 01:34:44.800
you said before the clothes there I
would add a hat, an elongated hat,

1010
01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:50.159
especially the affected parts. And in
summer we have the tendency of short

1011
01:34:50.319 --> 01:34:55.920
sleeves, but careful would be more
able to a long sleeve. Of course,

1012
01:34:56.000 --> 01:35:00.159
of a tissue that transpires and that
does not incise on the skin directly

1013
01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:04.600
the sun rays. Yeah, yeah. It is also important because in addition,

1014
01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:12.640
the problem of extremely common skin cancers
in all doctors in life we see

1015
01:35:12.760 --> 01:35:17.039
with some frequency some of these cancers. Or we suffer from it They'

1016
01:35:17.039 --> 01:35:20.760
re pawns. Yeah. Yes,
yes, yes, to keep in mind

1017
01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:30.359
also sunscreen creams It is also very
important this to help us. And then,

1018
01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:33.880
the subject of the bathroom with precautions. There' s good, I

1019
01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:39.119
don' t talk about the drownings
that already occur in children and teenagers bazaar

1020
01:35:39.159 --> 01:35:44.119
and sometimes in older people because of
recklessness, and parents have to be very

1021
01:35:44.159 --> 01:35:47.760
much in the care of children who
drown in a plis plaush. Yes,

1022
01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:53.279
I think it is also a problem
of education on the part of parents,

1023
01:35:53.560 --> 01:36:00.359
who are directly responsible for grandparents.
I remember my father, my grandmother,

1024
01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:06.359
going to the beach in summer,
to the beach we had, as well

1025
01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:12.199
as excursion that was done at that
time. I' m talking about many

1026
01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:15.039
years ago, it was Ashiches,
province of Barcelona. We were on a

1027
01:36:15.119 --> 01:36:21.119
bus on that road of curves and
that day we were burning alive because there

1028
01:36:21.319 --> 01:36:26.760
was no knowledge and we all ended
up with one with fevers, with an

1029
01:36:26.760 --> 01:36:30.439
installation. I remember having suffered that
in my childhood out of ignorance, but

1030
01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:39.119
there was another fact that yes,
that was that the elders recommended it and

1031
01:36:39.239 --> 01:36:43.640
it was to keep the time.
After having eaten to get into the water

1032
01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:47.000
directly and when you entered the water, do not go in suddenly, do

1033
01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:51.520
it little by little so that the
body acclimatized to the temperature of the water,

1034
01:36:51.640 --> 01:36:58.239
so that there was not that shock
that caused the problem and there could

1035
01:36:58.239 --> 01:37:01.640
therefore be a fainting, a lipothymia, obviously, in the hypothymia inside the

1036
01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:05.560
water. Outside the water, because
look you fall to the ground and little

1037
01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:12.680
thing, but inside the water,
because you drown and it is very important

1038
01:37:12.760 --> 01:37:15.159
to also drink very cold drinks,
very cold and you throw the swimming pool

1039
01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:21.600
at once wow, that the thermal
shocks Look. I remember once a few

1040
01:37:21.680 --> 01:37:29.880
years ago I was traveling in the
bird from Barcelona to Madrid for a medical

1041
01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:32.920
congress. I had to go to
the Loves with cans to Madrid and went

1042
01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:38.880
in the car that they call silent. I don' t know if you

1043
01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:43.319
know or sometimes there I went and
you' re going great because you can

1044
01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:44.359
' t hear a good fly.
If there is a fly today, all

1045
01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:47.479
of a sudden, the speakers ask
if there is a doctor, if there

1046
01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:51.039
is a doctor who please, who
comes to the car like this and I

1047
01:37:51.159 --> 01:37:58.720
wake up and run and I find
a young man of less than forty years

1048
01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:03.439
who had ingested a day there was
a bottle of orange juice, quite abundant,

1049
01:38:04.359 --> 01:38:11.840
very cold at a stroke and,
as I said well, a digestion

1050
01:38:12.119 --> 01:38:16.399
cut that was worth once seen to
the cause, it was not difficult to

1051
01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:21.399
solve the problem. But if drinks
are too cold on an empty stomach or

1052
01:38:23.159 --> 01:38:25.960
if you drink something very cold and
get in the water, you have to

1053
01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:30.840
be very crisp. Yes prudent,
because you run a risk the sudden change

1054
01:38:30.960 --> 01:38:36.720
of body temperature with food and colors
must be taken into account and then the

1055
01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:45.680
subject of meals in mayonnaise and all
that kind of issues that danger. High

1056
01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:54.119
danger. If we buy products as
they are processed, they already have their

1057
01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:59.359
preservatives, obviously, there the risk
decreases dramatically. But if they are the

1058
01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:03.720
typical Mayans in those homemades, or
the famous Aliyolli that is consumed here in

1059
01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:10.039
our area with garlic is the sweetest, but with garlic that is very rich,

1060
01:39:11.479 --> 01:39:15.199
true according to that you accompany it, but recently, you have to

1061
01:39:15.199 --> 01:39:19.439
consume it. And if you'
re going to spend some time since it

1062
01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:25.479
gets consumed, immediately put your food
in the phygorific, don' t leave

1063
01:39:25.600 --> 01:39:30.439
it out of the fridge. There
are people who have the little awareness that

1064
01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:35.079
they' re going to leave it
at these high temperatures on the table,

1065
01:39:35.279 --> 01:39:42.279
in the kitchen, or wherever,
and they' re going to spend time

1066
01:39:42.399 --> 01:39:46.600
And that' s already the bacteria
that have reproduced and they' re going

1067
01:39:46.600 --> 01:39:46.600
to give you a bad feeling if
they don' t give you something worse.

1068
01:39:47.239 --> 01:39:56.039
The famous gastroenteritis, the famous diarrhea
that we see mayonnaise, we see

1069
01:39:56.199 --> 01:39:59.079
it in meats, we see it
in fish, we see it in everything

1070
01:39:59.079 --> 01:40:03.279
that leads to egg and, of
course, also in certain restaurants. Years

1071
01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:09.000
ago, there was a diarrhea that
we called the daily Chinese restaurants that were

1072
01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:13.560
being provoked. It was produced by
rice that had already fermented outside of refrigerator

1073
01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:19.319
and ate sack and in the bas
like street lamppost. Yeah, yeah,

1074
01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:20.680
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1075
01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:20.680
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1076
01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:20.680
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1077
01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:20.680
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1078
01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:20.680
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1079
01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:20.680
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1080
01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:20.680
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1081
01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:24.279
yeah, yeah, yeah. We
have to take care of this issue

1082
01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:28.119
as well and then there are other
aspects that have to do now, not

1083
01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:32.439
so much with the somatic question of
the body, but yes, with the

1084
01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:38.119
question of summer it has many attractions. It is a beautiful time to also

1085
01:40:38.119 --> 01:40:43.720
rest, renew, mountain, beach, family, friends, good rest,

1086
01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:49.439
meals well in a way also prudent, but a little bit more loose.

1087
01:40:50.039 --> 01:40:56.680
But I have spoken many times about
living a spiritually refreshing summer, because also

1088
01:40:57.520 --> 01:41:01.439
the desires of the eyes, the
desires of the face, as John says

1089
01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:08.960
in his epistle, and the boastfulness
of life in summer is also greatly enhanced,

1090
01:41:09.399 --> 01:41:13.880
true for reasons, everything on the
beach, everything on the beach,

1091
01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:18.640
on the beach where you see certain
absolutely powerful girls. Yeah, yeah,

1092
01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:25.600
you got to control, yeah,
that impudent wish. No, yeah.

1093
01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:30.199
The truth is that summer is wonderful, because we can have more time of

1094
01:41:31.000 --> 01:41:36.920
a vacation time, a relaxing time
is a good time to share with family,

1095
01:41:38.319 --> 01:41:43.479
with friends. It' s also
a good time to get some good

1096
01:41:43.479 --> 01:41:47.479
books. I like them every summer. Now I have a good book that

1097
01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:56.319
was given to me by a dear
pharmaceutical friend, from a stone pharmacy that

1098
01:41:56.319 --> 01:41:58.279
' s your grandfather. I think
it was his father, his father,

1099
01:41:58.479 --> 01:42:01.520
not his grandfather, his father.
He was one of the doctors who introduced

1100
01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:08.039
you to penicillin in Cataliña the other
day we were tabling and says Mira,

1101
01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:11.479
I want to give you away.
I want you to have it and give

1102
01:42:11.600 --> 01:42:14.520
it to me and I' ll
read it. I' m looking forward

1103
01:42:14.640 --> 01:42:16.000
to having time to win the book
and be able to read it. It

1104
01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:21.720
is not worth books of history,
books novels, books of literature, but,

1105
01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:25.960
above all, the book of books, this one cannot forget dear Julius,

1106
01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:30.479
the book that emanates life in itself, which is the word of God

1107
01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:35.960
And I, well, I am
preparing, as we all pastors do,

1108
01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:42.319
the message on Thursday. Today we
have the Bible study. On Sunday we

1109
01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:48.000
have the message of the word of
the Lord and there is the Lord showed

1110
01:42:48.199 --> 01:42:53.399
me a very interesting facet and that
I would like to tell. You know

1111
01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:59.520
that humans work by imitation. Parents
are imitated by children, for s u

1112
01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:04.920
ns and for bad it is worth
then I discover in me characteristics of my

1113
01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:09.800
father, some that I hate do
not like and then I have them.

1114
01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:16.479
Me. There is an imitation also
in the scriptures. We found a lot

1115
01:43:16.479 --> 01:43:21.239
of characters. We can talk about
Abraham. Abraham was a great man,

1116
01:43:21.560 --> 01:43:27.159
a great man of God, but
careful Abraham was a man who also in

1117
01:43:27.239 --> 01:43:31.479
his life had sin. We can
talk about King David wow what a piece

1118
01:43:31.479 --> 01:43:38.239
of king, what a wonder of
man and winning the battles, but one

1119
01:43:38.239 --> 01:43:41.479
day he fell in love. The
thing was that impudence we used to mention

1120
01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:46.960
of a good girl and God,
the one who messed up, had the

1121
01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:50.239
husband killed. First a strategy to
see if they could get him drunk,

1122
01:43:50.920 --> 01:43:55.680
if he could see that the girl' s pregnancy was her husband' s

1123
01:43:55.680 --> 01:44:00.039
instead, or a machination. And
well, we could go through Jacob,

1124
01:44:00.760 --> 01:44:05.960
we could pass through Paul, through
Peter, and none of them, none

1125
01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:13.000
of them is a normative life.
The only normative life for the Christian is

1126
01:44:13.079 --> 01:44:17.479
Christ, the only life worthy of
being invited in all its facets is Christ.

1127
01:44:18.479 --> 01:44:21.880
And this took me. He took
me to Matthew' s Gospel.

1128
01:44:21.920 --> 01:44:29.880
You know that Matthew' s Gospel
is written under a very clean theological line.

1129
01:44:30.079 --> 01:44:34.399
It is the gospel written by a
Jew for Jews and begins to look

1130
01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:38.000
at the first book and the first
gospel that is in a new testament.

1131
01:44:39.600 --> 01:44:43.560
And when you read, especially when
you have in depth a connoisseur of scriptures

1132
01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:48.720
you realize that Matthew contains five messages, Five great messages from Lord Jesus.

1133
01:44:50.079 --> 01:44:53.960
The first message is well known,
it is the sermon on the Mount.

1134
01:44:54.640 --> 01:44:58.720
Then there is a second message that
begins in chapter ten and so on.

1135
01:44:59.000 --> 01:45:02.279
But each of these messages is linked
to the five books of Moses, to

1136
01:45:02.359 --> 01:45:08.119
the so- called Pietateuch, to
Genesis, to Exodus, to Leviticus,

1137
01:45:08.680 --> 01:45:15.960
to numbers, and to Uteronomian.
So the message of Christ on the Mount,

1138
01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:23.319
the sermon on the Mount, is
linked to the Book of Genesis And

1139
01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:27.439
it is very interesting, because what
the Book of Genesis tells about the beginning

1140
01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:32.319
of life. And when one meditates
says caramba mateo five or six and seven

1141
01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:38.039
is the beginning of spiritual life,
how should the life of the Christian really

1142
01:45:38.439 --> 01:45:44.119
be what the Lord shows us And
there is good, things that we have

1143
01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:51.039
already said. And I' m
going to mark one that seems especially relevant

1144
01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:59.840
to me, and it' s
the anxiety, that disproportionate concern that humans

1145
01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:02.199
have, that I' ll eat
that dress up with whom to pay the

1146
01:46:02.199 --> 01:46:09.359
rent. How am I going to
cope with the expenses, how am I

1147
01:46:09.439 --> 01:46:16.479
going to cope with my life?
And, well, that situation that sometimes

1148
01:46:16.720 --> 01:46:25.359
gets complicated by diseases, with deaths, with breakdowns. And the most important

1149
01:46:25.479 --> 01:46:30.159
thing is to live life and live
life in fullness. And then, the

1150
01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:34.560
ultimate example to imitate and seek in
every moment and in every situation is Christ.

1151
01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:45.600
And there' s his message not
to worry, not to worry,

1152
01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:59.520
not to accumulate wealth, not to
covet the things that someone else has even

1153
01:46:59.520 --> 01:47:02.479
notice. There' s something very
deep in there. When he says you

1154
01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:11.000
have watched the birds of the sky
do not cultivate, they sow us and

1155
01:47:11.079 --> 01:47:15.920
your father, who is in the
sky feeds them And well, here I

1156
01:47:15.960 --> 01:47:20.319
have the privilege of living in a
rural area And there, in the courtyard,

1157
01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:27.119
there is a kind of area that
is, as I would say,

1158
01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:34.840
with a metallic cloth and already a
couple of times this spring summer I have

1159
01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:40.760
been able to catch a bird trapped
in the gate, in the metal cloth

1160
01:47:40.760 --> 01:47:45.640
and you take it and think,
Holy Father, what a wonder, how

1161
01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:51.479
it can this, that weighs twenty
grams, have this knowledge, that it

1162
01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:53.720
can fly and that it can jump, that knows the dangers and knows what

1163
01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:56.760
to eat. And well, she
shows it to my wife, because she

1164
01:47:56.840 --> 01:48:00.279
likes little animals a lot, too, and then we let him go.

1165
01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:06.079
And those little animals who feed them, who takes care of them. The

1166
01:48:06.199 --> 01:48:13.000
Lord and the Lord keep saying and
he seems very shepherdish. This looks like

1167
01:48:13.079 --> 01:48:17.560
a field thing. He talks about
lilies, flowers and there my wife is

1168
01:48:17.640 --> 01:48:21.920
very fond of flowers. I have
a garden towel that looks like a flower

1169
01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:28.760
forest and they' re all different. They' re all beautiful, they

1170
01:48:28.760 --> 01:48:32.680
' re all beautiful, they'
re all dressed in bright colors and at

1171
01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:38.520
times and you don' t see
them anymore at night because they' re

1172
01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:41.319
already drying up, but tomorrow new
flowers spring up again. And well,

1173
01:48:41.880 --> 01:48:45.159
the women, more than the men, are much given to clothes to dresses.

1174
01:48:46.439 --> 01:48:49.319
Hey, there' s no more
beautiful clothes than flowers. There'

1175
01:48:49.399 --> 01:48:54.359
s no greater beauty. And this
gives God something that is born and dies

1176
01:48:54.439 --> 01:48:59.800
in one day. And that says
how God won' t take care of

1177
01:48:59.800 --> 01:49:04.279
you. And to me this seems
dear Julio so relaxing in a position of

1178
01:49:04.359 --> 01:49:11.840
a believer. I don' t
find it so relaxing because I think good,

1179
01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:15.479
my God takes care of me for
what I' m going to live

1180
01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:17.760
in anguish if I retire, if
I don' t retire, if I

1181
01:49:17.760 --> 01:49:17.760
' m going to have, if
I' m not going to have?

1182
01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:24.039
Because I saw God is the God
of the calculator. That' s how

1183
01:49:24.119 --> 01:49:27.560
Pastor also tells you sometimes I think
there are parents. This is how we

1184
01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:30.439
' re gonna stop rent. Well, sir you have the calculator and the

1185
01:49:30.520 --> 01:49:36.199
last day appears on the church account
exactly the money it takes to make the

1186
01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:42.600
payments. I say well, Mr
Gloria your name, because I couldn'

1187
01:49:42.720 --> 01:49:45.640
t pre- render this. And
so it is in everything, and it

1188
01:49:45.720 --> 01:49:51.520
is a recommendation, brothers friends who
can hear me seek God and trust him,

1189
01:49:53.039 --> 01:49:56.000
because the care of birds, take
care of the flowers and how it

1190
01:49:56.000 --> 01:49:59.119
will not take care of us,
that we have greater value. Oh,

1191
01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:04.079
that' s what our dear and
remembered Jordi Rotch said. If he takes

1192
01:50:04.199 --> 01:50:10.720
care of the birds, he will
also take care of the privilege of knowing

1193
01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:14.920
Jordi roth and of being a doctor
What characters, yes or what songs.

1194
01:50:15.079 --> 01:50:18.000
It' s wonderful, too.
Play that song, not that song.

1195
01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:25.720
I don' t know if there
is as we speak, alex the good

1196
01:50:26.279 --> 01:50:28.680
girl has another one planned, but
that' s a very nice song by

1197
01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:32.920
Jordi Rotch. And how beautiful the
example you set to trust God in the

1198
01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:40.760
things of life and that is real. Hey, fifty years later we give

1199
01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:44.479
good, because you and I are
the same age and we almost have very

1200
01:50:44.560 --> 01:50:50.680
parallel lives of many things and we
are friends, friends of true friends then

1201
01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:56.039
and we have told each other a
lot of part, that we have lived

1202
01:50:56.640 --> 01:51:00.720
many battles together of faith, but
we have told each other many things and

1203
01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:02.600
the truth, after so much Lord
You say, is that it is so

1204
01:51:02.600 --> 01:51:05.279
real that we have to live it. People do not know that real Christian

1205
01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:11.000
life, living with Jesus, is
a passionate life, is an obvious life,

1206
01:51:11.079 --> 01:51:15.159
has repercussions, but he is and
cares for us and provides us and

1207
01:51:15.279 --> 01:51:21.119
comforts us and lifts us up when
we fall a thousand things and is real,

1208
01:51:21.159 --> 01:51:25.359
it is not imaginary, it is
not an imaginary god that you want

1209
01:51:25.359 --> 01:51:29.399
a mental film. And not Jesus
is a real god, he is a

1210
01:51:29.479 --> 01:51:31.720
God of miracles, he is a
God who loves you, he is a

1211
01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:36.239
God. The other day I meditated
on salvation not and came to the confusion

1212
01:51:36.359 --> 01:51:41.880
that if he had had to die
for me alone, he would have done

1213
01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:45.159
so. I' m absolutely convinced. But he didn' t die just

1214
01:51:45.159 --> 01:51:49.279
for me. He died for all
human beings. But you have to give

1215
01:51:49.359 --> 01:51:54.720
your life to him in order to
enjoy his presence in your life is wonderful.

1216
01:51:55.359 --> 01:51:57.920
Mr Yes, that' s right, that' s right, he

1217
01:51:57.920 --> 01:52:01.039
' s a dear friend. Hey
Finally, you mode this you are a

1218
01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:08.479
pastor, being with people, apart
from that your passion for professional vocation is

1219
01:52:08.640 --> 01:52:15.119
always well known to us and many
patients. But the issue of being there,

1220
01:52:16.399 --> 01:52:19.760
in the city of martorey, a
very industrial city that, by the

1221
01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:25.920
way, there are not many evangelical
churches There, curiously it is a city

1222
01:52:26.079 --> 01:52:29.520
I always say that there we have
a bridge of the Devil and a church

1223
01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:32.279
of God. That I like that
phrase, because the Devil' s bridge

1224
01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:35.159
is true and that of God'
s Church is also true. And it

1225
01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:40.439
' s a church that' s
cost a lot. That Martore Church is

1226
01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:46.520
over eighty years old. He has
suffered struggles, calamities, problems and there

1227
01:52:46.920 --> 01:52:53.640
we remain dear July in Martorel,
a beautiful city not far from Barcelona.

1228
01:52:55.399 --> 01:52:59.640
It has two large urban centres.
Let' s say the classic core,

1229
01:53:00.359 --> 01:53:03.640
the vila, the new core.
It' s also very industrial. They

1230
01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:11.399
are constantly creating new jobs, making
it a living city and the truth is

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a pleasure working in that city with
those wonderful people, with those wonderful neighbors

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01:53:15.159 --> 01:53:23.319
that we have truth and we are
there. Well, now we' ve

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01:53:23.439 --> 01:53:27.039
changed premises. It' s gonna
be the year we' re in a

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01:53:27.439 --> 01:53:30.359
new vowel on Sanyores or Toons Street, number five from Martorella. There'

1235
01:53:31.239 --> 01:53:35.920
s your church, your house.
If you want to visit us, it

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01:53:36.039 --> 01:53:40.399
will be a pleasure so dear friend. Well, then modest, thank you

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01:53:41.159 --> 01:53:47.359
so much for being with us and
I' m passing on to my friend

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01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:54.479
one of the songs of one of
Jordi Rotch' s songs, to see

1239
01:53:54.920 --> 01:54:02.359
if I don' t know if
Alex can put them here in our remembered

1240
01:54:02.359 --> 01:54:09.960
Jordi Rotch. Well, then,
I am sending you a very affectionate hug,

1241
01:54:10.159 --> 01:54:13.520
just as I am Julio, a
strong and affectionate hug for you.

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01:54:14.199 --> 01:54:17.159
I do, too. I greet
the audience you gave. Thank you,

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01:54:17.680 --> 01:55:03.960
thank you. This man premes who
died in I know that when he died

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01:55:04.199 --> 01:55:20.920
he gave him the sidewalk says it
gives him the light of good. I

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01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:41.239
see I' m saved. I
think that this one I think that in

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01:55:41.439 --> 01:56:10.079
my sucito today I am bli rocho
love modre commbre or the borque of so

1247
01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:29.960
much love motorcycles I am so queño
and so serious before your great creation I

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01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:50.680
know that I am so poor Moreta
was the man you I my evil until

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01:56:54.520 --> 01:57:08.479
Christ looked like and taught me the
verhereda does not concretize. Cris isn'

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01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:23.640
t my video, which is from
the cina playing us on the route of

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01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:55.119
Armen Sboy Dan Feley i dead Bo. It was great to say this is

1252
01:57:55.199 --> 01:57:58.359
what Luis, Juanjo' s friend, said to prevent him from mistreating his

1253
01:57:58.359 --> 01:58:04.000
partner. When there' s abuse
in a couple, it' s not

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01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:08.000
just couple stuff. Don' t
allow gender- based violence. Call zero,

1255
01:58:08.159 --> 01:58:13.359
sixteen there is exit, Ministry of
Health, Social Services and Equality Government

1256
01:58:13.399 --> 01:58:16.119
of Spain. This is a lonely
little calita from some corner of Spain.

1257
01:58:16.640 --> 01:58:21.000
It is surrounded by vegetation and its
water is crystalline that when you are inside

1258
01:58:21.039 --> 01:58:26.159
you see perfectly your feet. The
sand is white, thin and clean.

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01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:30.399
It' s a wonder and you
know why this hottie is like this,

1260
01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:35.279
because you can only get there walking
is worth coming, but if you do,

1261
01:58:35.520 --> 01:58:40.319
walk by respecting the rules of circulation, because summer is full of life

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01:58:40.319 --> 01:58:43.880
and lives. Directorate- General for
Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government

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01:58:43.880 --> 01:59:10.920
of Spain. You travel on the
train of life. Ladies and gentlemen,

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01:59:11.199 --> 01:59:17.840
we are in good company. We
are with Pastor Noemi Cortés, who is

1265
01:59:18.399 --> 01:59:24.359
the pastor of the Vanganic Church of
Grace, but also especially the mention of

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01:59:24.880 --> 01:59:29.199
today, regarding her being the President
of the Biblical Evangelical Institution of Catalonia,

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01:59:29.880 --> 01:59:36.000
an institution with a very long historical
trajectory, defender of the rights of Protestants

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01:59:36.079 --> 01:59:41.000
and of the language, of the
Catalan language, of the precious Catalan language,

1269
01:59:41.479 --> 01:59:47.239
and that has been awarded with the
Onceavo Memorial casiayus which is a high

1270
01:59:48.479 --> 01:59:55.760
- level award that has had echo
in the secular press, in the vanguard,

1271
01:59:56.279 --> 02:00:03.600
in different media religious Catalonia and also
in protest before digital evangelical news and

1272
02:00:03.600 --> 02:00:09.840
in our media, for being a
remarkable news for the trajectory, the work,

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02:00:10.119 --> 02:00:16.479
the good doing of the Biblical Institution
of Catalonia, presided by pastore noemiy

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02:00:16.680 --> 02:00:25.000
Cortés and who we have here already
this morning, good morning, to noemí

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02:00:25.079 --> 02:00:36.439
Hello good morning. How we are. It is not often that a good

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02:00:38.279 --> 02:00:44.279
woman in some respects yes, but
a woman pastor, president of a foundation

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02:00:44.359 --> 02:00:47.760
institution already in her time, Evangelical
Biblical Institution of Catalonia, who has been

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02:00:47.920 --> 02:00:53.680
awarded a high distinction that the generality
grants and that will take place, in

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02:00:53.720 --> 02:00:58.800
addition, the delivery of this award, this award at the palaut of the

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02:00:58.920 --> 02:01:03.880
Hgeneralitat of Catalonia, at the Grazas
in Yauma, this Thursday at 6 p

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02:01:04.159 --> 02:01:11.159
m, before the authorities the Vice
President of the Guber of Catalonia, Laura

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02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:16.760
Vilagra, who will give this award
to President Nemy Cortés and also, because

1283
02:01:16.800 --> 02:01:25.199
there will be other representatives of the
Protestant world and, of course, also

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02:01:25.279 --> 02:01:27.760
our admired and also forum of the
Protestant world. I am Luis Caro Rovira,

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02:01:27.840 --> 02:01:32.399
who will also have some introductory words
in this regard. How you feel

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02:01:33.279 --> 02:01:39.319
in this case, as President of
the Biblical Evangelical Institution of Catalonia, with

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02:01:39.800 --> 02:01:45.439
this award noe me, I feel
very honored, very grateful and very happy.

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02:01:48.119 --> 02:01:54.720
At the first moment it was a
surprise because they took him very quietly

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02:01:54.920 --> 02:02:00.680
and very hidden, because after that, when it was published, I began

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02:02:00.760 --> 02:02:05.279
to get the congratulations of many people
who were on the jury and who knew

1291
02:02:05.279 --> 02:02:12.439
it, but who were all very
cautious to say nothing. Therefore, it

1292
02:02:12.439 --> 02:02:16.039
was a surprise, a very pleasant
surprise and another reason to thank our God,

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02:02:16.239 --> 02:02:21.119
for it allows us to be present
in society, not only to move

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02:02:21.279 --> 02:02:28.479
within what the evangelical people would be, but to give visibility to this people

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02:02:28.560 --> 02:02:36.159
within society. That' s right, tell us a little bit for our

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02:02:36.239 --> 02:02:41.439
hearers of the train of life.
What it does, what it represents and

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02:02:41.640 --> 02:02:45.520
what is the origin and trajectory of
the Biblical Evangelical Institution of Catalonia, the

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02:02:45.079 --> 02:02:51.000
Ibec that you have been presiding over
for some years now. Leibn was born

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02:02:51.079 --> 02:02:57.359
at a difficult time, so to
speak the full Francoist dictatorship nation. He

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02:02:57.359 --> 02:03:00.000
was born in it officially in a
thousand nine hundred and sixty- sixties.

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02:03:00.159 --> 02:03:06.479
But already in the nineteen hundred and
sixty- five he published the first evangelical

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02:03:06.640 --> 02:03:14.680
hymnal in Catalan of the Vanchalica Biblical
Institution of Catalonia. He collected some hymns

1303
02:03:14.720 --> 02:03:20.039
that had been translated earlier, including
some from the 19th century in Catalan and

1304
02:03:20.119 --> 02:03:25.960
others that were being made. We
had seven stage editions, the last one

1305
02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:29.039
was in the year nineteen hundred and
ninety- seven. If I remember correctly,

1306
02:03:30.159 --> 02:03:34.760
and we have several hymns of which
we could call traditional classical hymns of

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02:03:34.880 --> 02:03:41.399
the whole evangelical people translated into Catalan
from French, from English or from German

1308
02:03:41.479 --> 02:03:49.079
or even Spanish to have them in
our language. The great objective of the

1309
02:03:49.520 --> 02:03:59.199
biblical institution was to offer the Catalan
evangelical people tools to live their faith in

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02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:06.159
their language and what is more important
for the evangelical people to sing and read

1311
02:04:06.239 --> 02:04:13.800
the Bible. Then we put,
or well, they put those who started

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02:04:13.960 --> 02:04:20.439
their best effort in being able to
offer, as these hymns, these biblical

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02:04:20.520 --> 02:04:27.399
texts in the Catalan language, as
well as to edit a magazine that was

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02:04:27.600 --> 02:04:29.760
born in the year sixty- eight. If I remember correctly, that is,

1315
02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:35.479
that we have already been with her
for a few years and in order

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02:04:35.720 --> 02:04:42.359
to be able to be the spokesman
of the Catalan evangelical people and to give

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02:04:42.359 --> 02:04:46.880
voice to the different people who can, can or want to communicate with her

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02:04:49.000 --> 02:04:54.600
at the same time that she is
the spokesman of the institution the Bible,

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02:04:55.079 --> 02:04:59.000
because it took many years because,
evidently, in Francoist times by the people,

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02:04:59.319 --> 02:05:04.239
just like now, the pastors and
the people who were doing these translations

1321
02:05:04.359 --> 02:05:13.039
worked on what they could and then
did the translations in their free time,

1322
02:05:13.640 --> 02:05:17.000
so they first went out in separats
with different people who had collaborated, and

1323
02:05:17.239 --> 02:05:25.640
by the end of the year two
thousand we could have the Bible in full

1324
02:05:25.880 --> 02:05:26.600
in Catalan in a translation made entirely
by evangelical people, such as Pausais and

1325
02:05:26.600 --> 02:05:33.520
Samuel Sais. Here we can say
that it was the culminating moment, because

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02:05:33.560 --> 02:05:38.840
really for the poor evangelical, because
having the Bible in our language is what

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02:05:38.920 --> 02:05:42.920
we wanted the most, but we
did not stay here. From here on,

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02:05:43.119 --> 02:05:48.239
we thought more about offering other materials
so that people could continue studying the

1329
02:05:48.319 --> 02:05:55.800
word, and then they started working
on the interlinear translation of Greek texts.

1330
02:05:58.560 --> 02:06:04.319
Then we have the new Greek interlinear
testament Catalan. And now, when this

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02:06:04.479 --> 02:06:10.399
one is out, we keep thinking
that then we need to make the old

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02:06:10.399 --> 02:06:15.039
will. And now we' re
working and some volumes have come out because

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02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:19.279
they' re coming out for books. And now we have several volumes of

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02:06:19.359 --> 02:06:28.520
the ancient interlinear Hebrew Catalan testament.
So we continue also now we are preparing

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02:06:28.640 --> 02:06:31.680
hymns that would be what we now
sing, but we can offer them so

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02:06:31.800 --> 02:06:36.840
that the churches will also have them
and be able to present them on social

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02:06:36.960 --> 02:06:45.159
networks as well. But recordings in
quality so that they are not made in

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02:06:45.239 --> 02:06:51.720
any way, so that the churches
can also satisfy this moment of praise and

1339
02:06:51.800 --> 02:06:57.439
worship. Or even when we are
at home and we feel like listening to

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02:06:57.439 --> 02:07:01.159
music, because we can also enjoy
ourselves, being able to have on social

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02:07:01.279 --> 02:07:09.600
networks not only to have secular music, but also to have evangelical music in

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02:07:09.800 --> 02:07:13.479
Catalan which interesting promoters of the project
in those years. Well, the Catalan

1343
02:07:13.800 --> 02:07:20.720
Protestant world is a world for many
who do not know and well dated also

1344
02:07:20.800 --> 02:07:29.880
by the historian and former vice president
of the Gubert of Catalonia, Jose Huitzi

1345
02:07:29.920 --> 02:07:33.279
Carol Rovira to the Catalan Protestantismal countries. Catalan Protestantism comes along, with its

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02:07:33.359 --> 02:07:45.199
values and also forerunner of many progressive
issues in Catalan and Spanish society. Also

1347
02:07:45.279 --> 02:07:49.319
true, the Protestant world. Yes, yes, it really is a very

1348
02:07:49.399 --> 02:07:56.800
unknown subject, both for the people
of the street, so to speak,

1349
02:07:57.159 --> 02:08:01.720
but also for the evangelical people,
because sometimes people think that we have just

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02:08:01.800 --> 02:08:05.840
arrived now, that we have just
landed now in society. And the truth

1351
02:08:05.840 --> 02:08:09.800
is that we have been here for
many centuries in the Middle Pass is that

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02:08:09.880 --> 02:08:13.159
throughout these centuries, there have been
many problems in the 17th century. Then

1353
02:08:13.279 --> 02:08:20.600
we had the Holy Inquisition. Then
we had the persecution for not having religious

1354
02:08:20.680 --> 02:08:26.000
freedom. Then we had a religious
freedom in quotation marks, which allowed some

1355
02:08:26.079 --> 02:08:31.880
things, but not all. Then
we have a civil war in which the

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02:08:31.000 --> 02:08:37.920
Franco era closes all the churches and
the evangelical people are not allowed to meet

1357
02:08:37.039 --> 02:08:43.800
or just express themselves, expressing their
faith with what leads, as we all

1358
02:08:43.800 --> 02:08:52.119
know, to many persecutions, to
fines, to imprisonment and, in some

1359
02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:58.600
worse cases, to the death penalty. Therefore, we can say that this

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02:08:58.199 --> 02:09:05.520
subject so unknown and that we carry
as basic things as education could be,

1361
02:09:05.640 --> 02:09:13.119
that evangelical people could not be educated
in schools because they have no faith of

1362
02:09:13.239 --> 02:09:20.560
baptism. That is as important and
as necessary in society as education or the

1363
02:09:20.399 --> 02:09:24.960
fact of being able to bury a
family member because he was not Catholic and

1364
02:09:26.960 --> 02:09:31.000
not allowing them to be buried if
it was not in the part that they

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02:09:31.119 --> 02:09:37.920
ultimately managed to prepare themselves apart from
normal cemeteries. To put it that way,

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02:09:39.439 --> 02:09:43.079
then all this has led to the
Catalan evangelical people and I imagine that

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02:09:43.119 --> 02:09:48.680
just as it has happened in other
parts of Spain, because we have had

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02:09:48.720 --> 02:09:54.560
to be very resistant, we have
had to be strong, we have had

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02:09:54.680 --> 02:09:56.600
to move forward and not let ourselves
be intimidated by everything that happened to us.

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02:09:58.680 --> 02:10:01.760
So, all this, I believe, also influences the character of the

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02:10:03.079 --> 02:10:09.439
evangelical people. I always think that
when Leibec started, he started as he

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02:10:09.880 --> 02:10:13.079
founded and began in the sixty-
sixth year. One thousand nine hundred and

1373
02:10:13.760 --> 02:10:20.319
sixty- six were in the Francoist
era and the group of pastors or leaders

1374
02:10:20.399 --> 02:10:31.680
who at that time decided to start
the Cortés jal, Banjami Planas were Joan

1375
02:10:31.680 --> 02:10:35.039
Balés Galmés well, a number of
people who were inside the evangelical churches here

1376
02:10:37.520 --> 02:10:43.159
when they gathered in a house,
not in a church, They gathered in

1377
02:10:43.279 --> 02:10:48.880
a park. They gathered in the
park of the tape of it, a

1378
02:10:48.039 --> 02:10:56.800
park that is where Calzó is from
Barcelona and where there is also a Castrense

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02:10:56.800 --> 02:11:01.439
church, that is to say,
it is quite a place for that,

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02:11:01.840 --> 02:11:07.520
but it is the doors from where
the Parliament Catalonia is, where our government

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02:11:07.600 --> 02:11:11.199
is, and there they met.
But they met there. Apart from the

1382
02:11:11.279 --> 02:11:16.600
symbolism we could say, meet at
the door of Parliament. They also gathered

1383
02:11:16.199 --> 02:11:22.680
outside a church to avoid getting into
trouble or endangering the pastor or that community.

1384
02:11:24.920 --> 02:11:31.760
So, now perhaps it seems to
us one thing, because we would

1385
02:11:31.920 --> 02:11:37.239
say almost very nice to meet in
front of the parlamen because of the symbolism

1386
02:11:37.239 --> 02:11:43.399
that for Catalonia has. But I
thought they did it to avoid endangering people

1387
02:11:43.279 --> 02:11:48.159
or a community, because it also
tells us a lot about the situation in

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02:11:48.239 --> 02:11:58.840
the country at the time. It
is interesting to see that the identity of

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02:12:00.000 --> 02:12:05.840
the people goes angelic Protestant understand that
Protestant of Catalonia and want to preserve his

1390
02:12:05.840 --> 02:12:09.920
identity. Where is the greater identity
of a people than in their own language,

1391
02:12:09.760 --> 02:12:16.399
a millennial language such as the Catalan
language and wanting to transmit to their

1392
02:12:16.439 --> 02:12:22.000
culture and to their society, also
in the version of their own language,

1393
02:12:22.159 --> 02:12:28.800
the Gospel message, the biblical message, And this has been the struggle to

1394
02:12:28.840 --> 02:12:33.079
make known the evangelical faith, of
course, but also in their own language,

1395
02:12:33.199 --> 02:12:41.079
mother and own identity, and this
has a very commendable value, the

1396
02:12:41.159 --> 02:12:48.600
struggle to reach the people of your
own country, of your own place,

1397
02:12:48.079 --> 02:12:54.279
of your own identity. Then the
Evangelical Biblical Institution of Catalonia, which has

1398
02:12:54.359 --> 02:13:00.359
been awarded with the Onceavo Memorial cassia
Ius, will have this guarantee where it

1399
02:13:00.439 --> 02:13:03.600
will be delivered on Thursday, 18
July, at six o' clock in

1400
02:13:03.640 --> 02:13:09.880
the afternoon, in the Palau de
la Generalitat by the Vice- President of

1401
02:13:09.880 --> 02:13:13.520
the Alguberde Catalunya, Laura Vila Gray, and where there will be different personalities,

1402
02:13:13.800 --> 02:13:18.600
also with the President of the IBEC
here, to whom we are interviewing

1403
02:13:18.680 --> 02:13:24.600
from my courts and also other representations
such as I am Luis Carro Rovira,

1404
02:13:26.239 --> 02:13:33.119
who had a previous Parliament speaking on
the importance of this award, and also

1405
02:13:33.279 --> 02:13:41.880
the Evangelical Biblical Institution of Catalonia has
had such distinguished mentions as the creuda of

1406
02:13:41.960 --> 02:13:48.800
San Jordi, and I also remember
your father of Angel Cortés, an authentic

1407
02:13:48.920 --> 02:13:52.239
fighter for faith and also for the
identity and the Catalan language to make it

1408
02:13:52.319 --> 02:13:56.279
known to the people of Catalonia that
this is so legitimate. And then he

1409
02:13:56.359 --> 02:14:00.960
was also distinguished with the belief the
highest honor of Creusan Jordi, which is

1410
02:14:01.039 --> 02:14:07.399
one of the distinctions and, not
to say the highest truth was at an

1411
02:14:07.560 --> 02:14:11.640
important moment when my father gave him
the creuda San Jordi, because he was

1412
02:14:13.119 --> 02:14:18.279
given it because of the work he
had done for the Catalan language and dissemination

1413
02:14:18.359 --> 02:14:28.399
within the evangelical people as a person, as a tireless worker who always was

1414
02:14:28.640 --> 02:14:33.439
and that, because, it was
the beginning of saying so of the prizes

1415
02:14:33.439 --> 02:14:37.760
that came, because later, in
the year ninety- seven, the creuda

1416
02:14:37.840 --> 02:14:45.600
Sant Jordis gave it to the Bíblica
ben Chalica Institution of Catalonia also to give

1417
02:14:46.079 --> 02:14:52.319
this diffusion and to work, to
offer for the Catalan people these means to

1418
02:14:52.439 --> 02:14:58.359
live the faith in their language,
to spread the Catalan language to all the

1419
02:14:58.439 --> 02:15:05.520
world and also to spread it to
society and to be able to offer the

1420
02:15:07.439 --> 02:15:09.920
gospel, but in the language of
the people. From here on, we

1421
02:15:11.119 --> 02:15:16.600
' ve always been working on how
we could. There have been better moments,

1422
02:15:16.319 --> 02:15:22.479
worse moments, There have been hard
times when they began to die,

1423
02:15:22.800 --> 02:15:26.880
because all the people who had started
this path, because obviously, people get

1424
02:15:28.039 --> 02:15:33.520
older. But from here on,
we had to start taking over in a

1425
02:15:33.399 --> 02:15:39.199
more remarkable way and before we were
working a little lower under their wings,

1426
02:15:39.560 --> 02:15:45.439
because we had to start to fly
and get our hands on and start working

1427
02:15:45.479 --> 02:15:52.760
differently. But the idea is to
move on, as long as the Lord

1428
02:15:52.880 --> 02:15:58.199
allows us. And, therefore,
because we continue to move forward in a

1429
02:15:58.680 --> 02:16:03.159
way perhaps more open or more modern
than there was at that time, because

1430
02:16:03.319 --> 02:16:09.560
times change. But here too I
think it is important to mention that when

1431
02:16:11.000 --> 02:16:16.199
they died, well my father passed
away took stain on my flats the relief.

1432
02:16:16.039 --> 02:16:18.359
When he beat my flat, it
began to be said that he already

1433
02:16:18.479 --> 02:16:24.880
felt older to be in front of
the institution. Yes, he continued to

1434
02:16:24.880 --> 02:16:26.920
work, evidently, very faithfully,
with the whole subject of the magazine and

1435
02:16:28.079 --> 02:16:31.600
everything, but he did not want
to be in front of it. The

1436
02:16:31.680 --> 02:16:37.959
assembly that was organized voted for a
woman and I have to say that the

1437
02:16:37.079 --> 02:16:41.440
people who were at that time there
were many older people and, therefore,

1438
02:16:41.479 --> 02:16:46.760
and I think they demonstrated once again
the courage that there is characteristic of the

1439
02:16:46.840 --> 02:16:54.040
Biblical and Angelic Institution of Catalonia to
be able to put a woman as President,

1440
02:16:54.399 --> 02:17:01.680
because of course it was the one
that he represented and they were very

1441
02:17:01.680 --> 02:17:05.520
used to that they had been already
important pastors, whether my father or people

1442
02:17:07.200 --> 02:17:11.440
of renown eat the blan already my
Planas and suddenly put in that moment a

1443
02:17:11.840 --> 02:17:16.159
younger person like me, who comes
or pulls forward and we trust you that

1444
02:17:16.159 --> 02:17:22.799
you can do it. And that
I think is also a citation of this,

1445
02:17:22.360 --> 02:17:24.680
because the people who voted for me, most of them were people.

1446
02:17:26.120 --> 02:17:31.879
Major were men, and most were
men. And at this moment we have

1447
02:17:31.159 --> 02:17:37.280
the Presidency I and the other Presidency, which is that of the editor of

1448
02:17:37.399 --> 02:17:39.440
the magazine presente se Vangelica, also
takes it to a woman who is Mary

1449
02:17:39.600 --> 02:17:46.000
Elizabeth Mary Planas, with which we
can say that it is an entity that

1450
02:17:46.680 --> 02:17:52.000
we are very clear that we can
all work, provided that this one works

1451
02:17:52.079 --> 02:17:56.280
for the work of God. In
this sense, the Catalan Protestant world is

1452
02:17:58.239 --> 02:18:05.600
the interclassist, because this is demonstrated
by another worldview of the spirituality of the

1453
02:18:05.600 --> 02:18:11.879
faith. Unlike other confessions that traditionally
the man is the protagonist of everything absolutely,

1454
02:18:11.559 --> 02:18:16.200
the woman is relegated to a second, third or fifth or flat.

1455
02:18:18.680 --> 02:18:24.559
And this, too, must be
celebrated. But also the magazine Presistencia Evangelicala,

1456
02:18:24.719 --> 02:18:28.000
a magazine for the speaker, besides
with articles I remember. In fact,

1457
02:18:28.000 --> 02:18:37.200
I have collaborated with some of the
articles with Benjami Planas and a very

1458
02:18:37.319 --> 02:18:43.760
pioneering magazine, a magazine also with
a biblical, theological and intellectual level of

1459
02:18:45.760 --> 02:18:52.879
magnitude Evangelical Presence, since how many
years, since more than fifty. If

1460
02:18:52.879 --> 02:18:56.319
I remember correctly, it seems to
me that it began in a thousand nine

1461
02:18:56.440 --> 02:19:05.200
hundred and sixty- eight to be
published and has been published uninterruptedly since then

1462
02:19:05.959 --> 02:19:09.479
it comes out quarterly and has never
stopped publishing. I remember that when Joseph

1463
02:19:09.559 --> 02:19:16.879
Luis Carol Ruira made the presentation of
his book, because he cited us as

1464
02:19:18.000 --> 02:19:24.959
an example of a written magazine,
a published magazine, one of the oldest

1465
02:19:24.159 --> 02:19:33.399
that continues to come out in Catalan
in a faithful way, coming out every

1466
02:19:35.159 --> 02:19:39.600
quarterly, with which I believe that
also here is to thank this work,

1467
02:19:39.879 --> 02:19:46.600
that it is not easy to carry
the magazine, but that with it we

1468
02:19:46.680 --> 02:19:50.239
want to be the spokesman, obviously, of the institution, because it is

1469
02:19:52.680 --> 02:19:58.360
the magazine that we have to be
able to bring out the issues but also

1470
02:19:58.360 --> 02:20:03.520
the spokesman of the Catalan evangelical people. We say that it is available to

1471
02:20:03.680 --> 02:20:09.200
everyone in order to be able to
offer us their articles that you have published,

1472
02:20:11.600 --> 02:20:16.719
it has published many people and we
want this to continue, because we

1473
02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:22.079
always say that the institution is open
to everyone, that it has no denomination,

1474
02:20:22.799 --> 02:20:30.719
it is interdenominational is so that everyone
can express his voice and be able

1475
02:20:30.719 --> 02:20:35.719
to say a little, speak and
explain what his heart has at that moment.

1476
02:20:35.639 --> 02:20:41.200
So I think it' s important
that this level. Evidently, publications

1477
02:20:41.280 --> 02:20:46.000
always try to have, as you
say, a level. We cannot publish

1478
02:20:46.760 --> 02:20:52.799
anything, because what we want is
for them to keep this level high and

1479
02:20:52.920 --> 02:20:58.040
also doctrinally, that is correct.
We don' t want anything published there

1480
02:20:58.200 --> 02:21:05.799
at all. We want it to
be doctrinally at the foot of the Bible.

1481
02:21:05.879 --> 02:21:09.559
Therefore, be correct, then it
is very important for us to maintain

1482
02:21:09.959 --> 02:21:16.159
this level. But the evangelical people
do feel that they have this magazine so

1483
02:21:16.079 --> 02:21:20.959
they can use it. It was
very important, for example, as well

1484
02:21:22.040 --> 02:21:30.440
as an example, during the time
of the covid that unfortunately many people went

1485
02:21:30.600 --> 02:21:37.319
to the presence of the father without
being able to be dismissed, without being

1486
02:21:37.319 --> 02:21:45.520
able to have accompaniment, without anything, and we tried to give them a

1487
02:21:45.840 --> 02:21:50.840
voice in the magazine talking to the
families and paying them a small tribute,

1488
02:21:52.479 --> 02:21:52.639
because at least the families felt the
accompaniment of the evangelic people at that time

1489
02:21:52.639 --> 02:21:58.040
so hard. For example, that
was another way to make this magazine available

1490
02:21:58.280 --> 02:22:05.920
to everyone. And I think it
was a beautiful moment within the sadness and

1491
02:22:05.000 --> 02:22:11.879
everything that we went through, but
to be able to feel that people felt

1492
02:22:11.000 --> 02:22:15.280
accompanied at a time that they could
not be next to the people that had

1493
02:22:15.360 --> 02:22:20.159
left them. Therefore, we do
not believe in a closed magazine that we

1494
02:22:20.239 --> 02:22:26.360
publish it four people or three I
do not publish in each issue. No.

1495
02:22:26.479 --> 02:22:30.319
No, it' s not this
idea. The idea is a magazine

1496
02:22:30.440 --> 02:22:35.360
that has a level that is pleasant
to the eye. That is why we

1497
02:22:35.440 --> 02:22:39.879
have the two youngest people who take
care of the whole subject, more of

1498
02:22:39.680 --> 02:22:46.959
layout or edition, but who are
the spokesperson of the evangelical people, because

1499
02:22:48.079 --> 02:22:52.680
we believe it is important to give
this voice to society. How many things?

1500
02:22:52.840 --> 02:22:58.200
How many things? How many,
how many jobs, how much presence,

1501
02:22:58.600 --> 02:23:05.239
raising the voice through that of the
written media, to make known the

1502
02:23:05.319 --> 02:23:13.959
message of the Bible in the Catalan
language when this was alatemized, especially during

1503
02:23:15.040 --> 02:23:18.600
the Franco dictatorship, and to make
known the catal language in the language of

1504
02:23:18.719 --> 02:23:24.719
a people, of a people who
have their own language and, of course,

1505
02:23:24.159 --> 02:23:31.639
notice. There are eight million people
living in Catalonia and many do cultural

1506
02:23:31.719 --> 02:23:39.760
immersion, but Andorra, the Balearic
Islands and Valencia, for the also linguistic

1507
02:23:39.600 --> 02:23:46.760
echo, and such more than ten
million Catalan speakers direct, to a greater

1508
02:23:46.840 --> 02:23:52.799
or lesser extent at least look if
the subject matter is very important. Therefore,

1509
02:23:54.000 --> 02:23:58.479
the evangelical Biblical institution of Catalonia has
done an enormous work for many years

1510
02:23:58.520 --> 02:24:05.959
through its publications, and we have
also seen the magazine Evangelical Presence Evangelical,

1511
02:24:07.159 --> 02:24:16.000
which has also been very interesting.
And it remains so, because Noemi and

1512
02:24:16.000 --> 02:24:22.239
Cortés, President of the IBEC in
the Evangelical Institution of Catalonia, And also

1513
02:24:22.440 --> 02:24:26.719
with this award we will enjoy this
day, this Thursday in the Palau de

1514
02:24:26.799 --> 02:24:35.879
la Genalidad, which is a great
honor to be there, to receive this

1515
02:24:35.959 --> 02:24:39.760
award so deservedly a recognition of a
whole trajectory, of a struggle for the

1516
02:24:39.920 --> 02:24:46.079
spread of the word of God in
Catalan and for the Catalan people, of

1517
02:24:46.079 --> 02:24:52.600
course, wonderfully done, for it
is a pleasure to be able to enjoy

1518
02:24:52.639 --> 02:24:56.079
this award and also to be there
that afternoon, this 18th of July,

1519
02:24:56.399 --> 02:25:03.520
at 6 p m, in the
Palau de la Genaridad, the Plaza San

1520
02:25:03.559 --> 02:25:05.319
Jaun and where we will also be
accompanying you with great pleasure, of course

1521
02:25:05.319 --> 02:25:09.479
that yes to me many thanks.
Thank you. It is a pleasure that

1522
02:25:09.559 --> 02:25:11.920
you accompany us on that day,
because for us it is very important,

1523
02:25:13.399 --> 02:25:16.360
for the institution, it is very
important this day, but I also think

1524
02:25:18.040 --> 02:25:24.360
it is very important to offer this
vision of unity of the evangelical people when

1525
02:25:24.520 --> 02:25:28.319
there is a reason for joy,
just as we can do on multiple occasions,

1526
02:25:28.719 --> 02:25:30.479
but above all to do so in
the Palau de la Gianalidad. To

1527
02:25:30.600 --> 02:25:37.239
be able to offer this image of
unity of complete joy among all, which

1528
02:25:37.879 --> 02:25:43.319
no matter what denomination or who you
are or who you are or who you

1529
02:25:43.479 --> 02:25:48.639
are, but the important thing is
that we are all to abandon this very

1530
02:25:48.760 --> 02:25:52.399
thing, God, and that it
is a cause of joy that when we

1531
02:25:52.399 --> 02:25:56.159
are enjoyed, for we all enjoy. And I really want to thank you

1532
02:25:56.239 --> 02:26:01.399
from the depths of my heart,
because it is that day that you accompany

1533
02:26:01.440 --> 02:26:05.079
the institution and that you are at
our side, because it is an important

1534
02:26:05.280 --> 02:26:09.920
moment and always be well surrounded by
friends and people who love you, because

1535
02:26:11.120 --> 02:26:15.600
it is the best we can have. Yes, of course, well,

1536
02:26:16.239 --> 02:26:20.000
many congratulations. There is no courtesy
of me, President of the IBEC,

1537
02:26:20.440 --> 02:26:24.200
for this reward and God, through
it we will be there soon. Thank

1538
02:26:24.200 --> 02:26:37.159
you, see you soon. Thank
you very much. A kiss on the

1539
02:26:37.280 --> 02:26:50.120
train of life life life, there' s a thief trying to steal me

1540
02:26:50.120 --> 02:26:56.239
two wants. Whoever compares me to
us says the blessing is made of gold

1541
02:26:56.360 --> 02:27:05.600
silver, but I have another or
treasure is that my happiness cannot be named.

1542
02:27:07.799 --> 02:27:11.879
Either that or you just have to
remember. I' m more than

1543
02:27:13.600 --> 02:27:18.840
blessed, I' m more than
loved if I have a cricket, I

1544
02:27:18.840 --> 02:27:24.200
don' t need anything. I
am more than blessed or meaningless. I

1545
02:27:24.319 --> 02:27:39.360
' m more than senuro, I' m more vigo, richer in the

1546
02:27:39.440 --> 02:27:43.239
world and they' re cheating on
it' s okay. If I don

1547
02:27:43.319 --> 02:27:46.280
' t sound on the radio,
I don' t have to fernate and

1548
02:27:46.440 --> 02:27:52.959
my role in my home and family
and Christ will suffice me as I don

1549
02:27:54.159 --> 02:28:01.920
' t know happy if it'
s FREE and better to give that I

1550
02:28:01.159 --> 02:28:05.319
received that already convinced me more than
bless, know more than loved if you

1551
02:28:05.319 --> 02:28:07.600
don' t or nothing else wrong. I' m more than blessed or

1552
02:28:07.760 --> 02:28:13.639
make sense of it. I'
m more than hard. I' m

1553
02:28:13.879 --> 02:28:37.600
the richest man in the world?
Maldo is that my happiness cannot be bought.

1554
02:28:39.319 --> 02:28:45.479
It' s simple. Just remember. I' m more than blessed.

1555
02:28:46.159 --> 02:28:52.440
I' m more than love.
If I have a pussy, nothing

1556
02:28:52.440 --> 02:28:56.920
goes away. I' m more
than blessed, even if you don'

1557
02:28:56.920 --> 02:29:03.200
t have to feel it. Have
more than that. Not rich, so

1558
02:29:11.719 --> 02:29:24.040
rich son in the world. You
may go cooler in summer with shorts and

1559
02:29:24.079 --> 02:29:28.319
T- shirts, but think that
nothing is as hot as the touch of

1560
02:29:28.360 --> 02:29:33.360
asphalt with your skin. In fact, hug the biker, don' t

1561
02:29:33.360 --> 02:29:35.600
notice. The skin on the road
wears proper clothes, because summer is full

1562
02:29:35.639 --> 02:29:39.959
of life and lives. We'
re all going next to you. Directorate

1563
02:29:39.399 --> 02:29:41.920
- General for Traffic, Ministry of
the Interior, Government of Spain. Sixty

1564
02:29:43.319 --> 02:29:46.600
- eight percent of minors have consumed
alcohol in the last month, their continued

1565
02:29:46.680 --> 02:29:54.159
consumption causes physical harm and causes family
conflicts, but calm. I' m

1566
02:29:54.239 --> 02:30:01.799
sure your daughter doesn' t really
drink minors without alcohol, educate, report,

1567
02:30:01.159 --> 02:30:11.360
prevent Government of Spain. The train
of life, an exciting journey along

1568
02:30:11.879 --> 02:30:20.040
the routes of the heart, an
unforgettable trip at the rhythm of trem or.

1569
02:30:48.600 --> 02:30:52.600
Ladies and gentlemen, we are already
in the colors of life. Life

1570
02:30:52.680 --> 02:31:00.639
has so many strokes, so many
reliefs and so many perspectives that we really

1571
02:31:00.680 --> 02:31:05.600
have to learn to live, to
learn to live and to overcome the contingencies

1572
02:31:05.600 --> 02:31:15.040
of life, sometimes predictable contingencies,
but many times not predictable. Unpredictable,

1573
02:31:16.239 --> 02:31:22.559
things that displace us in life and
that we meet again with ourselves and with

1574
02:31:22.639 --> 02:31:31.040
our destiny. Well, it gives
us a great difficulty, for example,

1575
02:31:31.079 --> 02:31:35.920
in the case of starting again after
a divorce, something that for us is

1576
02:31:37.000 --> 02:31:41.399
significant, the commitment, the marriage
bond. Couples, in fact, will

1577
02:31:41.479 --> 02:31:46.159
see it from another point of view, but it' s kind of like

1578
02:31:46.159 --> 02:31:50.440
marriage. But we talk about marriages, as God commands what we should know

1579
02:31:50.559 --> 02:31:54.879
to start over after a divorce.
Well, some keys we have today.

1580
02:31:54.959 --> 02:32:01.959
Judith proposes to us five points that
we must know deeply not to repeat in

1581
02:32:01.040 --> 02:32:07.840
the next marriage the same ending that
we have had in the previous one or

1582
02:32:07.879 --> 02:32:15.360
in which we might have. According
to statistics, we' re more likely

1583
02:32:15.399 --> 02:32:20.520
to get divorced again if we come
from a previous divorce. This tells us

1584
02:32:20.600 --> 02:32:26.879
some statistics a little jinx, but
they suggest that there is a high chance

1585
02:32:26.959 --> 02:32:31.159
of getting divorced again. If we
come from a previous divorce, well,

1586
02:32:31.520 --> 02:32:35.680
we' ll see where. It
is true that Judith helps us, and

1587
02:32:35.840 --> 02:32:39.799
this leads us to question why,
for that is what we are going to

1588
02:32:39.879 --> 02:32:46.760
ask our favorite psychotherapist of the train
of life, who is Judit Cacho,

1589
02:32:46.000 --> 02:32:54.799
Judith gas O. Good morning,
very good morning, Julio, well,

1590
02:32:56.479 --> 02:33:01.559
why? Why? These statistics,
which are a little bit, a little

1591
02:33:01.559 --> 02:33:07.200
gaphis, tell us that we can
reproduce the pattern, because in reality it

1592
02:33:07.280 --> 02:33:13.719
is one of the great reasons why
it is easy to repeat the pattern is

1593
02:33:13.760 --> 02:33:18.920
because many times people do not really
question what has failed in us, but

1594
02:33:18.920 --> 02:33:22.399
we usually wonder what has failed in
the other. One of the things that

1595
02:33:22.479 --> 02:33:26.319
happens with divorces precisely because it has
to do with a form of living together

1596
02:33:26.360 --> 02:33:31.040
and learning to be next to the
eight of the other, learning to live

1597
02:33:31.319 --> 02:33:35.000
together, and not simply in the
state of falling in love in which we

1598
02:33:35.040 --> 02:33:39.479
all begin, but then it involves
a series of responsibilities, it involves a

1599
02:33:39.600 --> 02:33:43.159
series of care, it involves taking
into account the other, even if I

1600
02:33:43.200 --> 02:33:45.799
don' t want to take it
into account or when I don' t

1601
02:33:45.840 --> 02:33:50.520
want to take it into account,
but always take it into account, because

1602
02:33:50.520 --> 02:33:50.520
it is a travel companion or a
travel companion of the maximum possible length.

1603
02:33:50.639 --> 02:33:54.680
Not really. Then one of the
things that happens is that, when we

1604
02:33:54.760 --> 02:33:58.079
have already experienced a divorce, it
means that this way of generating that coexistence

1605
02:33:58.319 --> 02:34:03.920
that we make with the other person
of walking through our life or throughout our

1606
02:34:03.000 --> 02:34:07.200
entire life with that partner or that
companion, we have not been able to

1607
02:34:07.280 --> 02:34:11.760
establish it correctly. I always say
that problems in a breakup of a couple

1608
02:34:11.840 --> 02:34:16.319
relationship, not just well. On
the one hand, it is true that

1609
02:34:16.639 --> 02:34:20.319
many times responsibilities are not equitable,
that is, we do not have fifty

1610
02:34:20.719 --> 02:34:24.680
- fifty percent responsibility for each other. But many times to one of the

1611
02:34:24.719 --> 02:34:26.799
things that happens is that, maybe, one of the couple has only a

1612
02:34:26.879 --> 02:34:28.280
ten percent responsibility to a twenty percent
and the other has the other ninety.

1613
02:34:30.799 --> 02:34:33.440
That' s right. It is
true that there are completely symmetrical jars,

1614
02:34:33.840 --> 02:34:37.479
where one has generated many conflicts and
the other not so many. But in

1615
02:34:37.559 --> 02:34:41.319
reality, in a relationship of couples, the two parties always have part of

1616
02:34:41.399 --> 02:34:45.280
responsibility and there are a series of
behaviors that the two have carried out,

1617
02:34:45.719 --> 02:34:50.600
which have generated and continue to generate
that marital failure, a patrimonial breach that

1618
02:34:50.639 --> 02:34:54.479
is a divorce. It' s
not really a failed marriage failure the couple

1619
02:34:54.520 --> 02:34:56.920
agree, although we don' t
like to see it that way when we

1620
02:34:58.000 --> 02:35:00.639
say divorce, like we have so
bad and we know that there' s

1621
02:35:00.639 --> 02:35:01.559
something that' s not working well
or that we' re doing well.

1622
02:35:01.959 --> 02:35:03.840
One of the things that we like
when we say divorce is today look it

1623
02:35:03.879 --> 02:35:09.440
happened to me. I didn'
t expect it A guy never starts wanting

1624
02:35:09.559 --> 02:35:09.559
a divorce, and that' s
true. What happens is that sometimes we

1625
02:35:09.600 --> 02:35:13.440
realize that the problem of failure is
that there is something that we have not

1626
02:35:13.520 --> 02:35:16.280
done well, of agreements always have
to do with both. Now, why,

1627
02:35:16.600 --> 02:35:20.760
why this trend than if I have
already made a mistake or there has

1628
02:35:20.799 --> 02:35:24.680
already been a failure in my previous
marriage, how is it that there are

1629
02:35:24.799 --> 02:35:30.760
more chances, more vulnerability and statistics, there is more chance that another divorce

1630
02:35:31.479 --> 02:35:33.440
will relive than not that I will
not live it again, as one of

1631
02:35:33.479 --> 02:35:39.000
the great reasons are the life scripts
and our burdens. If our script made

1632
02:35:39.079 --> 02:35:45.680
us unable to maintain a marriage and
we didn' t detect it and we

1633
02:35:46.280 --> 02:35:50.399
changed that script by knowing it directly
and disobeying it, it' s one

1634
02:35:50.479 --> 02:35:54.280
of the things we' ll see
today. We will repeat the same problem,

1635
02:35:54.680 --> 02:35:58.200
because we will be repeating the exact
same thing as repeated in the previous

1636
02:35:58.200 --> 02:36:01.280
marriage. Maybe not in very practical
behaviors. Perhaps there are a number of

1637
02:36:01.360 --> 02:36:05.799
behaviors that we have not repeated,
but yes our script, our way of

1638
02:36:05.879 --> 02:36:09.520
feeling, our way of reacting to
certain circumstances, certain conflicts, is repeated

1639
02:36:09.799 --> 02:36:13.719
again. And the other is the
dread that gives us as a society,

1640
02:36:13.559 --> 02:36:20.879
to look at our failures, because
we are afraid to look at that failure

1641
02:36:20.920 --> 02:36:24.559
to find mistakes that have to do
with our responsibility, therefore, with our

1642
02:36:24.840 --> 02:36:28.000
guilt, and to change them.
In fact, if we thought that every

1643
02:36:28.040 --> 02:36:31.639
time we look at our mistakes,
the goal is simply to change, and

1644
02:36:31.719 --> 02:36:35.520
not that no one accuses us of
guilt or that someone will recriminate us or

1645
02:36:35.600 --> 02:36:39.280
treat us badly precisely because we are
guilty, but if we knew that every

1646
02:36:39.280 --> 02:36:43.040
time we look at our mistakes.
The goal is to change. We'

1647
02:36:43.200 --> 02:36:46.319
re probably not that scared. The
problem is, no. It is that

1648
02:36:46.360 --> 02:36:50.479
we are in society where when someone
fails in some area and therefore, it

1649
02:36:50.600 --> 02:36:54.879
means that he has made a mistake
and it has not come to him or

1650
02:36:54.959 --> 02:36:56.479
the expectation he had about what he
is doing, for example, marriage,

1651
02:36:56.639 --> 02:37:01.799
the expectation of being able to maintain
that marriage for the rest of his life

1652
02:37:01.879 --> 02:37:03.799
and be able to take care of
each other and be partners until old age.

1653
02:37:03.479 --> 02:37:09.239
That expectation is not fulfilled because we
have made a series of mistakes in

1654
02:37:09.639 --> 02:37:13.559
a row and it has been made
that objective that does not reach, that

1655
02:37:13.639 --> 02:37:16.879
we do not reach it, that
breaks down the road. We would need

1656
02:37:16.879 --> 02:37:20.319
to be able to look at it, know how much I' m responsible

1657
02:37:20.360 --> 02:37:22.680
for that failure and be able to
change, although it was only ten,

1658
02:37:22.680 --> 02:37:24.639
twenty percent of what I' m
guilty of. I need to be able

1659
02:37:24.639 --> 02:37:30.840
to know what, in order not
to repeat the same kind of script usually

1660
02:37:31.280 --> 02:37:35.040
after a divorce, the only thing
we heard from both sides of the couple

1661
02:37:35.440 --> 02:37:37.760
that has broken up is that the
other one has torn me apart, that

1662
02:37:37.879 --> 02:37:41.879
she is an evil one, that
he has mistreated me, that he has

1663
02:37:41.920 --> 02:37:45.479
never wanted to change him, or
that she has never wanted to change,

1664
02:37:45.479 --> 02:37:46.959
or that she has always controlled me. But it' s very difficult,

1665
02:37:48.399 --> 02:37:52.280
or everyone tends to focus on what
the other one didn' t do right

1666
02:37:52.360 --> 02:37:54.440
and it' s not what we
haven' t done right. So never,

1667
02:37:54.879 --> 02:37:58.799
ever really ever in consultation less yet
have I ever heard anyone sit in

1668
02:37:58.879 --> 02:38:03.479
front of me after a divorce and
tell me honestly and hurt this and this

1669
02:38:03.559 --> 02:38:07.239
other? And this other one?
And I want to fix this in my

1670
02:38:07.399 --> 02:38:09.799
life because I don' t want
to keep committing their horrors. Never.

1671
02:38:09.120 --> 02:38:11.959
It' s not like I'
m talking about one percent, zero or

1672
02:38:13.120 --> 02:38:16.120
ten percent. It' s just
not that anyone' s ever, ever

1673
02:38:16.200 --> 02:38:20.360
sat with that honesty in front of
me and was able to tell me if

1674
02:38:20.360 --> 02:38:22.760
I think I' ve done something
wrong. And that shows us the difficulty

1675
02:38:22.799 --> 02:38:26.239
of looking at failure. And if
we have trouble looking at failure, we

1676
02:38:26.360 --> 02:38:30.440
will never be able to change,
and therefore we are doomed to repeat the

1677
02:38:30.440 --> 02:38:35.079
same mistakes. Okay. So,
so you tell us one is one of

1678
02:38:35.159 --> 02:38:37.559
those that, so these people tell
us we realize that problem, that we

1679
02:38:37.639 --> 02:38:41.280
haven' t just started, that
we don' t realize where the mistake

1680
02:38:41.360 --> 02:38:45.360
is and that we' re not
willing to look at our own life.

1681
02:38:46.680 --> 02:38:50.520
And that always, always, will
always bring us consequences every time, because,

1682
02:38:50.760 --> 02:38:54.520
as I have told you, the
breaking of a relationship is always because

1683
02:38:54.600 --> 02:38:58.200
the two have part of responsibility,
even if it is not separate equals,

1684
02:38:58.600 --> 02:39:05.559
because we both have to be clear, of course, of course, also

1685
02:39:05.639 --> 02:39:11.319
the idea I find myself as a
counselor also that the people who have suffered

1686
02:39:11.399 --> 02:39:18.280
the handicap this, for reasons are
different, it does not find it difficult

1687
02:39:18.280 --> 02:39:20.040
to overcome the burden that carries emotional
and psychological. It costs a lot and

1688
02:39:20.159 --> 02:39:26.760
some people more than others it leaves
them as emotionally crippled for some for a

1689
02:39:26.840 --> 02:39:31.159
very long time. True to true, to come back to true. The

1690
02:39:31.280 --> 02:39:35.600
divorce problem is this. That'
s why I don' t think it

1691
02:39:35.600 --> 02:39:39.319
' s God' s idea.
It doesn' t make much sense because

1692
02:39:39.440 --> 02:39:41.559
it breaks us in such a way
and destroys us in such a way,

1693
02:39:41.600 --> 02:39:46.520
because in reality it did, I
put all the expectations that that relationship of

1694
02:39:48.879 --> 02:39:52.479
couples will work and in believing that
when that person has promised me fidelity,

1695
02:39:52.360 --> 02:39:56.600
he has actually promised it not half- promised or promised it good until it

1696
02:39:56.600 --> 02:39:58.520
suits me, or good until you
don' t give me trouble or until

1697
02:39:58.639 --> 02:40:03.239
I feel good, but theoretically that
commitment we make. That is why those

1698
02:40:03.559 --> 02:40:05.040
vows are so important and those vows
are those that, always, espue,

1699
02:40:05.360 --> 02:40:11.280
when there is a divorce, are
constantly resonating in our head and resonating and

1700
02:40:11.399 --> 02:40:13.879
we stay at that first point in
blocking. But this person promised me,

1701
02:40:13.120 --> 02:40:18.200
but I didn' t expect this
to happen to me. It' s

1702
02:40:18.200 --> 02:40:20.280
true, it' s like a
grieving process, like when we lose someone

1703
02:40:20.360 --> 02:40:26.479
with the difference that we lose,
but we keep seeing it, or we

1704
02:40:26.520 --> 02:40:28.520
keep having some kind of contact,
or, for example, we have children

1705
02:40:28.520 --> 02:40:30.319
in common. So, we'
ll need to keep seeing each other.

1706
02:40:31.000 --> 02:40:35.120
That results in the scar taking a
long time to heal. But it'

1707
02:40:35.280 --> 02:40:37.559
s also true and you have to
be very honest about that, that if

1708
02:40:37.639 --> 02:40:43.520
we' re able to get into
the divorce process, look at it from

1709
02:40:43.559 --> 02:40:46.120
the inside with magnifying glass, with
someone of great confidence, with someone prepared

1710
02:40:46.200 --> 02:40:48.479
for it, uh, it doesn' t help anyone. Then we are

1711
02:40:48.520 --> 02:40:52.399
not served by the colleague with whom
we are going to take the beers to

1712
02:40:52.399 --> 02:40:56.559
help us through this process of agreement, because we do not trust him,

1713
02:40:56.760 --> 02:41:01.440
but because there is not the preparation
of agreement, but if we need to

1714
02:41:01.440 --> 02:41:03.639
investigate, deepen what happened to this
divorce, what happened to the other,

1715
02:41:03.719 --> 02:41:07.840
what happened to me that I have
done and what I can change, because

1716
02:41:07.840 --> 02:41:09.840
one of the things that most pain
makes people who have lived in divorce is

1717
02:41:09.920 --> 02:41:13.600
not only divorce, but the feeling
of condemnation that I have experienced this,

1718
02:41:13.959 --> 02:41:16.440
that I am broken, that there
is something that never again will be equal

1719
02:41:16.520 --> 02:41:22.360
to that feeling of failure. And
the problem of the feeling of failure always

1720
02:41:22.479 --> 02:41:24.840
comes. Why don' t we
go to the end, because we see

1721
02:41:24.959 --> 02:41:28.200
failure from afar and say uy.
I' ll take out ado and stay

1722
02:41:28.200 --> 02:41:31.639
here. But in reality, failure
is enough. We don' t need

1723
02:41:31.639 --> 02:41:33.799
to look at failure. What we
need to look at is how I can

1724
02:41:33.799 --> 02:41:37.760
change it. When we give a
person the hope of being able to change

1725
02:41:37.920 --> 02:41:41.760
and avoid and understand the reason for
the breakdown of that marriage, when the

1726
02:41:41.840 --> 02:41:46.680
person truly understands why he or she
understands, how much he or she is

1727
02:41:46.680 --> 02:41:50.399
responsible and understands how to avoid it. The person overcomes that pain. But

1728
02:41:50.520 --> 02:41:54.239
since this costs us a lot.
It is true that as concessors, it

1729
02:41:54.239 --> 02:41:58.159
also costs us a lot when we
go to the person so broken to be

1730
02:41:58.159 --> 02:41:58.760
able to say good. But we
need without leaving in what you think is

1731
02:41:58.840 --> 02:42:01.840
not you also did well, then
it costs us. It' s hard

1732
02:42:03.040 --> 02:42:05.280
there, right, it' s
very hard to do or it' s

1733
02:42:05.280 --> 02:42:09.319
difficult. I mean emotionally to do
it. But if we do, the

1734
02:42:09.360 --> 02:42:13.760
proof is that people heal before,
go through the process before, and restore

1735
02:42:13.879 --> 02:42:16.440
their lives before. Is that a
reality? Yeah, yeah? Like this?

1736
02:42:16.600 --> 02:42:20.879
Is that so? It is recommended
that we consider what are the scripts

1737
02:42:22.000 --> 02:42:26.959
or patterns of our life. Explain
to us again what these scripts consist of,

1738
02:42:28.360 --> 02:42:33.840
those patterns that you don' t
talk about on some occasions, and

1739
02:42:33.959 --> 02:42:39.520
how to discover them because in reality, the scripts we call scripts or patterns,

1740
02:42:39.680 --> 02:42:43.200
because in reality, when we are
born we have a kind of White

1741
02:42:43.239 --> 02:42:46.520
Paper, which we always say is
a book in which there is nothing written

1742
02:42:46.680 --> 02:42:50.879
and when we live together and live
in our family environment, certain phrases are

1743
02:42:50.920 --> 02:42:54.799
written for certain events. Affective deficiencies, i e lack of affection or lack

1744
02:42:54.879 --> 02:42:58.760
of respect or care, lack of
protection or overprotection, lack of trust,

1745
02:43:00.239 --> 02:43:05.159
lack of parenting telling us whether we
know or do not know how to do

1746
02:43:07.479 --> 02:43:11.959
things. How well we know what
to do, what our abilities are,

1747
02:43:11.120 --> 02:43:16.959
how to spend time with us,
how to give us not just virtual affection

1748
02:43:16.040 --> 02:43:18.280
and affection, it' s no
use, just telling a three- and

1749
02:43:18.680 --> 02:43:22.879
four- year- old boy I
love you if I' m not going

1750
02:43:22.000 --> 02:43:26.520
to be playing with him for a
while, because he doesn' t understand

1751
02:43:26.520 --> 02:43:26.520
the depth of that word and the
pact we make before what we say.

1752
02:43:28.079 --> 02:43:31.719
I remember, therefore, those affective
deficiencies and those deficiencies in the care that

1753
02:43:31.799 --> 02:43:35.200
we have all experienced, because our
parents could not have been perfect. It

1754
02:43:35.360 --> 02:43:39.719
' s impossible to be perfect and
try to do it by annuating us that

1755
02:43:39.719 --> 02:43:41.120
if it doesn' t always effect. I' m failing, and I

1756
02:43:41.120 --> 02:43:43.280
' m horrible. It doesn'
t help, either, because it blocks

1757
02:43:43.760 --> 02:43:46.959
us more than it makes us flow
naturally. Te. I agree, but

1758
02:43:48.079 --> 02:43:52.639
it is true that since we have
not had perfect parents, it is inevitable

1759
02:43:52.639 --> 02:43:54.559
that we have certain shortcomings, some
more than others. It' s clear,

1760
02:43:54.760 --> 02:43:56.840
because there are parents who have been
able to do a little better than

1761
02:43:56.840 --> 02:44:00.440
others. Okay, there are also
parents who have been taught the best and

1762
02:44:00.879 --> 02:44:03.719
that is also a reality. Not
then, in front of those scripts,

1763
02:44:03.079 --> 02:44:07.639
because of the urge of these affective
deficiencies, the person has written something a

1764
02:44:07.639 --> 02:44:13.000
reaction. Life scripts usually tell us
what attitudes or actions or behaviors, what

1765
02:44:13.079 --> 02:44:16.239
things can happen to me, what
I should react to, how I should

1766
02:44:16.360 --> 02:44:22.399
feel, how I should respond to
life scripts. Here' s what they

1767
02:44:22.520 --> 02:44:26.520
tell us. I remember then it
is a problem, for example, in

1768
02:44:26.639 --> 02:44:30.719
front of the script of life,
of a dad, for example, who

1769
02:44:30.799 --> 02:44:33.440
works many hours that have not taught
us or have not taught him to be

1770
02:44:33.479 --> 02:44:37.520
affectionate, to give affection, to
give hugs, to kiss, to say

1771
02:44:37.639 --> 02:44:39.079
I love you, to play with
me, to lie down on the ground

1772
02:44:39.079 --> 02:44:41.520
and to be with me. One
of the things that happens is that if

1773
02:44:41.600 --> 02:44:45.479
he' s a busy dad and
he has an office at home, when

1774
02:44:45.520 --> 02:44:46.959
we go into the office, the
dad always gets it is a moment that

1775
02:44:46.959 --> 02:44:50.719
' s not over. No,
no, don' t wait later no,

1776
02:44:50.680 --> 02:44:54.959
when we eat well, it'
s all dish with you, which

1777
02:44:54.959 --> 02:44:56.239
is very heavy these phrases, even
if they seem grotesque to us. When

1778
02:44:56.520 --> 02:45:01.079
someone says naja without out of contexts, we say them a lot and when

1779
02:45:01.079 --> 02:45:05.440
we say them, we teach something
to the child, you bother or you

1780
02:45:07.120 --> 02:45:13.920
are a burden or when you have
the need for affection of affection with the

1781
02:45:13.000 --> 02:45:18.879
other, if you don' t
do something that suits him, if you

1782
02:45:18.680 --> 02:45:20.639
don' t do something to help
him or if you interrupt me you are

1783
02:45:20.639 --> 02:45:22.920
already rejected. What it means is
that in front of the feeling that later

1784
02:45:22.959 --> 02:45:28.559
on in the couple, for example, my wife or my husband answers me

1785
02:45:28.079 --> 02:45:31.040
there are affections that I am making
bonding. Let me just for a moment,

1786
02:45:31.239 --> 02:45:35.040
I can' t now what you
think we' re gonna feel,

1787
02:45:35.440 --> 02:45:37.040
because the life script will tell us
one. My husband or my husband is

1788
02:45:37.040 --> 02:45:41.440
rejecting me. Two. They don' t care about me or what I

1789
02:45:41.440 --> 02:45:46.600
need. Three. I' m
just following life. He acts constantly and

1790
02:45:46.600 --> 02:45:50.360
daily, as we do not know
him, because we have never examined him,

1791
02:45:50.920 --> 02:45:54.319
we have never looked closely at him. We don' t know how

1792
02:45:54.319 --> 02:45:56.120
he acts. But if he gives
us a series of orders, what does

1793
02:45:56.600 --> 02:46:01.639
this person do then, because he
tends to fix up he hears that I

1794
02:46:01.760 --> 02:46:05.360
am not asking you anything, that
I have only come to say hello,

1795
02:46:05.719 --> 02:46:09.360
for example, and recrimination, which
then our partner falls from accurate surprise,

1796
02:46:09.479 --> 02:46:11.120
he sad that I am making dinner
and besides, I am doing it for

1797
02:46:11.120 --> 02:46:13.520
you. Imagine that in addition this
woman or this man who has answered this

1798
02:46:13.520 --> 02:46:16.920
about dinner is a person who has
been taught at home, who will only

1799
02:46:18.000 --> 02:46:20.520
take care of him, will only
listen to him when we are pleased,

1800
02:46:20.680 --> 02:46:24.280
that is, when he does the
things that are only born to please others.

1801
02:46:24.799 --> 02:46:26.000
What will happen, for this husband, this wife will tell you.

1802
02:46:26.200 --> 02:46:28.239
But if they do, I do
it for you, I wouldn' t

1803
02:46:28.239 --> 02:46:30.600
eat anything, and you know I' m from the scene. I'

1804
02:46:30.639 --> 02:46:33.559
d make a yogut and this I
make dinner for you and you' re

1805
02:46:33.559 --> 02:46:35.959
an ungrateful man who now knows better
than to claim my attention. Those life

1806
02:46:37.040 --> 02:46:39.639
pions that have nothing to do with
the relationship of a couple, those scripts,

1807
02:46:39.760 --> 02:46:43.239
those burdens or those patterns of life, are usually written in childhood.

1808
02:46:43.719 --> 02:46:48.120
Why in the child is because,
as we remember, we are more vulnerable

1809
02:46:48.200 --> 02:46:50.719
and our brain is more plastic.
You mean it' s like faguar cement.

1810
02:46:52.120 --> 02:46:54.639
I always set the same example,
but it is very practical. The

1811
02:46:54.760 --> 02:46:58.399
children have a cement, they have
a perton brain as if it were cements,

1812
02:46:58.520 --> 02:47:01.639
if in forge. It' s
easy to leave a print on a

1813
02:47:01.719 --> 02:47:03.559
cement that' s not dry,
that' s unstitched. When we grow

1814
02:47:03.639 --> 02:47:07.760
up or get bigger and bigger,
we become the brains. In some hard

1815
02:47:07.920 --> 02:47:11.559
areas it becomes less flexible. That
implies, then, that it is more

1816
02:47:11.680 --> 02:47:16.000
difficult to leave a mark. Therefore, in the affective deficiencies that we have

1817
02:47:16.040 --> 02:47:20.920
experienced when we are young, they
leave a mark, a more difficult and

1818
02:47:20.040 --> 02:47:24.399
more traumatic footprint than when we are
adults. So the life scripts or these

1819
02:47:24.479 --> 02:47:28.920
patterns of life, depending on the
affective deficiencies we have had of your dad,

1820
02:47:30.200 --> 02:47:33.000
mom and our environment and if to
them we add disorders or traumatic situations

1821
02:47:33.520 --> 02:47:39.920
added, makes these scripts or these
patterns of life dictate to us how we

1822
02:47:41.000 --> 02:47:48.040
should behave in certain circumstances. If
we don' t know each other and

1823
02:47:48.120 --> 02:47:54.280
also our partner, our companion doesn' t know him either It' s

1824
02:47:54.280 --> 02:47:58.479
inevitable that many buttons or many circumstances
will be touched to bring out those scripts

1825
02:47:58.559 --> 02:48:03.280
and, therefore, let' s
not act on the basis of the consciously

1826
02:48:03.280 --> 02:48:05.399
reflecting what we should answer. For
example, when the wife arrives and the

1827
02:48:05.479 --> 02:48:09.319
woman answers us a little or the
husband answers us, it is that she

1828
02:48:09.360 --> 02:48:13.000
is doing in Ajena for a moment
the right thing, the healthy thing,

1829
02:48:13.920 --> 02:48:18.440
the good thing, it would be
sorry I know what you are doing too

1830
02:48:18.520 --> 02:48:20.200
much for me you are right I
expect you to say the right thing socks

1831
02:48:20.200 --> 02:48:22.479
or you say that that is almost
impossible. Of course, it' s

1832
02:48:22.520 --> 02:48:26.319
impossible because we have a series of
scripts and we don' t see patterns

1833
02:48:26.360 --> 02:48:31.000
that dictate how we should act.
These are the ones who usually put the

1834
02:48:31.159 --> 02:48:35.879
big sticks, on the wheels,
in marriage relations. Without a doubt,

1835
02:48:35.440 --> 02:48:39.600
we are talking to the psychotherapist Judith
Casso, about what we should know to

1836
02:48:39.680 --> 02:48:46.879
start again after a divorce and we
are asking her questions. But once we

1837
02:48:46.959 --> 02:48:50.479
' ve discovered those life scripts,
what we should do with them. It

1838
02:48:50.600 --> 02:48:56.040
' s enough to get to know
them because it really seems curious to you

1839
02:48:56.040 --> 02:48:58.520
a lot of times. It'
s almost enough to meet them, because

1840
02:48:58.639 --> 02:49:01.280
the person doesn' t know why
he acts like that, he doesn'

1841
02:49:01.319 --> 02:49:05.879
t know why he sometimes acts disproportionately. The author gives him that reaction.

1842
02:49:07.200 --> 02:49:09.639
It' s just that I'
m expressed, or I have a lot

1843
02:49:09.719 --> 02:49:13.479
of work, or it' s
that kids, but they don' t

1844
02:49:13.520 --> 02:49:16.760
really know why they react that way, because nothing when we touch a certain

1845
02:49:16.799 --> 02:49:22.399
button or in certain circumstances, when
the person knows that script, he knows

1846
02:49:22.520 --> 02:49:28.040
the true origin, what shortcomings have
generated that phrase or script that tells me

1847
02:49:28.120 --> 02:49:28.799
how I should feel in certain circumstances
and how I should act. Once we

1848
02:49:28.920 --> 02:49:33.520
know it very deeply when we do
the origin, how it acts and what

1849
02:49:33.600 --> 02:49:37.479
it does to us and what it
enforces to us, what it forces us

1850
02:49:37.600 --> 02:49:39.799
to comply or that they send us. All we need to do is disobey

1851
02:49:39.799 --> 02:49:43.479
him. In reality, once we
disobey him why it is obeying him,

1852
02:49:43.719 --> 02:49:48.200
because that script does not tell us
good things for us or for our coexistence

1853
02:49:48.559 --> 02:49:52.799
as a couple, but it is
dictating a series of things that comes from

1854
02:49:52.879 --> 02:49:58.440
affective deficiencies that are not currently being
generated or that should not be generated at

1855
02:49:58.440 --> 02:50:01.799
the present time. Why? Because
the effective deficiencies of children are generated because

1856
02:50:01.879 --> 02:50:05.319
children can' t ask, they
can' t sit in front of our

1857
02:50:05.479 --> 02:50:09.040
dad with five years old and say
dad how you' re spending time with

1858
02:50:09.079 --> 02:50:11.479
me and even though you buy me
a lot of material things, but don

1859
02:50:11.479 --> 02:50:11.840
' t sit with me, I
don' t feel happy. This won

1860
02:50:11.879 --> 02:50:15.319
' t forget your five- year- old son. I' d like

1861
02:50:15.399 --> 02:50:18.319
you to come with a ten o' clock manual sometimes, but you won

1862
02:50:18.319 --> 02:50:20.399
' t tell us. What happens
that when we are small it is not

1863
02:50:20.479 --> 02:50:24.360
more difficult to claim those deficiencies.
We do it with different or destructive behaviors.

1864
02:50:24.879 --> 02:50:30.680
When we are adults, we can
fight those shortcomings and we can claim

1865
02:50:30.680 --> 02:50:33.719
them, look for them or cover
them properly. Therefore, if we know

1866
02:50:33.840 --> 02:50:41.799
our script and disobey it, we
can get to genuinely, freely and healthyly

1867
02:50:41.799 --> 02:50:46.520
seek to cover those affective deficiencies that
we have had and our post on our

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02:50:46.559 --> 02:50:52.200
things can become the person who helps
us to fill those gaps. Not that

1869
02:50:52.280 --> 02:50:56.120
husband of those things become either a
dad or a mom. We' re

1870
02:50:56.239 --> 02:51:00.879
not talking about this. We are
talking about covering up these affective deficiencies and

1871
02:51:00.959 --> 02:51:05.200
giving them in our lives. Okay. Then knowing that script, knowing the

1872
02:51:05.319 --> 02:51:11.040
origin, what shortcomings caused it,
how it acts, what orders me to

1873
02:51:11.200 --> 02:51:16.280
do and disobey that my order makes
conflicts disappear Let' s imagine that both

1874
02:51:16.360 --> 02:51:20.879
one and the other, in this
situation that is explained, know those life

1875
02:51:20.000 --> 02:51:24.280
scripts that have and know the script
of the other. So, when the

1876
02:51:24.319 --> 02:51:28.520
husband or wife comes in and he
says," Hey, you' re

1877
02:51:28.559 --> 02:51:33.000
not listening to me," there' s a claim. The other can

1878
02:51:33.040 --> 02:51:35.920
answer is that I' m making
the food and stopping and saying okay is

1879
02:51:35.920 --> 02:51:41.440
true. You want to say something. I want to take care of you,

1880
02:51:41.600 --> 02:51:43.079
but I need to finish dinner,
because I' m doing it for

1881
02:51:43.079 --> 02:51:45.639
you, too, because I care
about you. You mind if you help

1882
02:51:45.680 --> 02:51:48.520
me finish dinner or if I finish
it and while we have dinner together,

1883
02:51:48.680 --> 02:51:52.479
you explain it to me. This
way of acting seems too perfect to you,

1884
02:51:52.680 --> 02:51:56.799
which seems too impossible to couple relationships. It' s neither that perfect

1885
02:51:56.879 --> 02:52:00.520
nor that hard. It' s
hard just because of those scripts about making

1886
02:52:00.520 --> 02:52:05.760
the script to this woman or this
man would be disobeying her life, he

1887
02:52:05.959 --> 02:52:09.280
tells you to tell him your effort
to agree. Therefore, knowing and seeing

1888
02:52:09.440 --> 02:52:18.319
obeying those scripts will immensely help us
to avoid such destructive conflict situations. Not

1889
02:52:18.440 --> 02:52:24.239
that we do not dispute in another
such conflict situations. Having a conflict such

1890
02:52:24.360 --> 02:52:30.440
as to mediate and gradually destroy clear
couple relationships. More and so, all

1891
02:52:30.559 --> 02:52:35.399
these things must be taken into account. You suggest that we also know the

1892
02:52:35.399 --> 02:52:39.760
vision of our children, who have
also suffered divorce with us, without any

1893
02:52:39.840 --> 02:52:45.120
doubt, in a more than indirect, direct way, because they have an

1894
02:52:45.120 --> 02:52:48.479
impact. Sure. There' s
the thing. That' s very important

1895
02:52:48.600 --> 02:52:52.840
to keep in mind. This is
what you say Julio, because our children

1896
02:52:52.920 --> 02:52:56.760
live the pain of divorce directly every
day of their lives, without being the

1897
02:52:56.920 --> 02:53:03.120
main actors and without being able to
do anything against or to cure that situation

1898
02:53:03.239 --> 02:53:07.040
or to save that situation. Okay, so it' s one of the

1899
02:53:07.159 --> 02:53:11.600
worst roles in a divorce situation.
When we talk about the divorce situation,

1900
02:53:13.079 --> 02:53:16.879
children suffer the most. It'
s not just a phrase to a paradox,

1901
02:53:16.200 --> 02:53:18.559
it' s a reality. They
are the ones who suffer the most

1902
02:53:18.680 --> 02:53:22.600
because they are the ones who receive
the most grief and the least can defend

1903
02:53:22.600 --> 02:53:26.559
themselves from it. According to us, as adults, we can try to

1904
02:53:26.600 --> 02:53:28.639
defend ourselves in some ways our children. No. For example, our way

1905
02:53:28.639 --> 02:53:35.760
of defending ourselves with adults as adults
is to use lawyers as dogs to bite

1906
02:53:35.760 --> 02:53:39.319
each other. Okay, so this
our kids can' t do. They

1907
02:53:39.399 --> 02:53:43.360
have no one to advocate for them, and that is a conflict in them.

1908
02:53:43.399 --> 02:53:46.799
Therefore, it is the one who
suffers the most, because I say

1909
02:53:46.840 --> 02:53:50.280
that one of the things we need
to do after a divorce is not only

1910
02:53:50.360 --> 02:53:52.360
to know what my mistakes in the
couple relationship we have said, to know

1911
02:53:52.479 --> 02:53:58.399
by someone to help me be guided, to recognize the mistakes in that previous

1912
02:53:58.399 --> 02:54:03.079
marriage, to know my life scripts, that is, apart from the mistakes

1913
02:54:03.079 --> 02:54:07.959
I have made during that marriage,
to know what scripts, what affective deficiencies

1914
02:54:07.040 --> 02:54:11.440
I have that make me act a
certain way. We need to know our

1915
02:54:11.520 --> 02:54:15.799
children' s vision why, because
asking our guys what they think our relationship

1916
02:54:15.920 --> 02:54:20.760
mistakes were, that is, what
they think or what they saw in our

1917
02:54:20.879 --> 02:54:24.000
relationship as a dad and as a
mom, they thought this didn' t

1918
02:54:24.000 --> 02:54:28.719
work, when they started to be
afraid that we would split up. Because

1919
02:54:28.920 --> 02:54:33.120
they' re big detectors, because
they' re big detectors, because they

1920
02:54:33.239 --> 02:54:35.319
' re more kids than we are. Therefore, they are more influenced by

1921
02:54:35.360 --> 02:54:39.879
nonverbal language. They' re less
anaesthetized. Therefore, children are much more

1922
02:54:41.000 --> 02:54:46.520
perceptible, They have a greater ability
to perceive nonverbal language and to intuit what

1923
02:54:46.799 --> 02:54:50.479
is happening. All right, we, in the face of nonverbal language,

1924
02:54:50.799 --> 02:54:54.959
often don' t care. We
are able to send out a nonverbal message

1925
02:54:54.079 --> 02:54:58.559
and say something else, that is, hypocrisy occurs largely in adults. They

1926
02:54:58.600 --> 02:55:01.000
are in s chas to a lesser
extent in children or in young people or

1927
02:55:01.120 --> 02:55:05.280
adolescents. That tells us what I
am saying precisely, that we can send

1928
02:55:05.280 --> 02:55:09.639
a nonverbal message, say with our
body, our face, in our tone,

1929
02:55:09.719 --> 02:55:13.280
one thing, but use a different
phrase, for example, the typical

1930
02:55:13.360 --> 02:55:16.559
phrase of my husband, of my
wife when we say the self not if

1931
02:55:16.600 --> 02:55:20.200
I am not angry, yes,
yes, you are, because that tone

1932
02:55:20.280 --> 02:55:24.079
and that speed with which you have
made the phrase denotes an orval language that

1933
02:55:24.159 --> 02:55:26.840
indicates in shouting. But so,
so it' s too late for your

1934
02:55:28.120 --> 02:55:30.159
phrase to say, I' m
not angry or I' m not angry.

1935
02:55:30.280 --> 02:55:35.120
Now, remember, children are more
perceptible. That does they can see

1936
02:55:35.200 --> 02:55:39.680
before us or more intensely the first
conflicts in the relationship of serious couple.

1937
02:55:39.520 --> 02:55:45.959
So many times our children will be
able to tell us clearly that our problem

1938
02:55:46.000 --> 02:55:48.760
was the lack of control. It' s just that you' ve always

1939
02:55:48.040 --> 02:55:52.879
avoided Mom, because you always edit
Dad. Our tendency to beat us is

1940
02:55:52.920 --> 02:55:54.239
that when you suck you have told
you something, has claimed you something,

1941
02:55:54.680 --> 02:55:58.959
you just go locked in your room
you lock yourself in front of the TV

1942
02:55:58.280 --> 02:56:03.079
and you don' t listen or
or ours you are always very demanding.

1943
02:56:03.159 --> 02:56:07.520
You' ve always asked us a
lot. Mom too You never told her

1944
02:56:07.559 --> 02:56:09.520
she did things right, Or Dad
you never told her they did things right,

1945
02:56:09.719 --> 02:56:11.719
or when I did a scene,
you never gave her the rancid stuff.

1946
02:56:13.719 --> 02:56:18.760
Our children see them because they live
with us every day and see us

1947
02:56:20.000 --> 02:56:24.239
in all colors. In fact,
our children are the only ones who sincerely

1948
02:56:24.399 --> 02:56:28.040
know part of who we are.
That' s why one of the worst

1949
02:56:28.120 --> 02:56:33.360
things in our children or one of
the things that causes children to generate a

1950
02:56:33.440 --> 02:56:37.120
higher rate of rebound, rebellion,
rejection, anger and dystruptive behaviors. It

1951
02:56:37.200 --> 02:56:41.159
is our hypocrisy, it is our
change, that is, we are in

1952
02:56:41.239 --> 02:56:43.600
a way within the family, between
the four walls of our house, and

1953
02:56:43.680 --> 02:56:48.840
we are different when we are outside
and act differently and say different things when

1954
02:56:48.959 --> 02:56:52.719
we are outside with our children.
You see this they generate recreational behaviors,

1955
02:56:52.879 --> 02:56:58.200
because it' s like they were
imprisoned in a place where the truth is

1956
02:56:58.280 --> 02:57:03.360
known and then everything seems perfect.
Outside, then that feeling of inconclusiveness to

1957
02:57:03.440 --> 02:57:07.799
our children does not crush them.
Inside, so our kids are great informants.

1958
02:57:09.360 --> 02:57:11.680
About that remembering that the question we' re going to ask our children

1959
02:57:11.760 --> 02:57:16.079
is not what is pre I should
have done well what was your father'

1960
02:57:16.120 --> 02:57:16.760
s and your mother' s responsibility. No, we' re not talking

1961
02:57:16.760 --> 02:57:18.840
about this, why they put them
in a tacture that doesn' t touch

1962
02:57:18.840 --> 02:57:24.159
them. We make them judge something
that will just make them useful, make

1963
02:57:24.200 --> 02:57:26.280
them feel pain and burden. But
we' re talking about this. We

1964
02:57:26.360 --> 02:57:31.840
' re talking about being able to
ask them what. You think Malio thinks

1965
02:57:31.879 --> 02:57:35.639
there are things Dad could have made
extinct, which is that there are things

1966
02:57:35.719 --> 02:57:39.799
Mom could have done differently. And
we will always ask our children about ourselves

1967
02:57:39.959 --> 02:57:43.719
and never about the other couple,
never in any way, because, in

1968
02:57:43.799 --> 02:57:48.280
reality, the goal of what we
are talking about today is me knowing my

1969
02:57:48.440 --> 02:57:54.280
own mistakes, my scripts, my
faults not to repeat me in my future

1970
02:57:54.360 --> 02:58:01.959
marriage, the same mistakes. Okay. Never ever. We can never use

1971
02:58:01.040 --> 02:58:07.479
our children to provoke or seek to
speak ill of the other figure, which

1972
02:58:07.600 --> 02:58:11.479
is not us. Sure, never. That shouldn' t be in our

1973
02:58:11.479 --> 02:58:13.360
evidence. In fact, by desation, this is what we do most and

1974
02:58:13.440 --> 02:58:18.760
we rarely wonder about Kikepsquice Mario.
It' s a matter of sincerity It

1975
02:58:18.879 --> 02:58:20.920
' s a matter of little maturity. If that is done so much,

1976
02:58:22.079 --> 02:58:28.959
and finally, you point out to
us it is indispensable to know the mistakes

1977
02:58:30.040 --> 02:58:33.959
that the person with whom we are
trying to start again, yes, it

1978
02:58:35.079 --> 02:58:39.079
is indispensable. Julio we need when
we start a new couple relationship. Sometimes

1979
02:58:39.159 --> 02:58:43.040
when someone has come from a divorce, it explains the whole divorce, but

1980
02:58:43.120 --> 02:58:46.440
from the perspective we said before I
remember you. Many times we are afraid

1981
02:58:48.000 --> 02:58:52.840
to tell our failures and tell our
hardships, tell our weaknesses, tell our

1982
02:58:52.959 --> 02:58:56.760
mistakes to someone we want to conquer. Precisely because that is the conflict,

1983
02:58:56.000 --> 02:59:03.399
trying to conquer without telling the truth
will not work we will make the same

1984
02:59:03.520 --> 02:59:07.239
mistakes in the future. So one
of the things that I always recommend and

1985
02:59:07.239 --> 02:59:09.879
that I think is indispensable is that
when we are going to start a new

1986
02:59:09.959 --> 02:59:16.159
couple relationship with another person in order
to be able to marry and maintain a

1987
02:59:16.239 --> 02:59:20.239
relationship that reaches old age be together
and walk together. We must be able

1988
02:59:20.280 --> 02:59:26.159
to sit down and explain to the
person what our divorce was, what our

1989
02:59:26.280 --> 02:59:33.399
mistakes were in that divorce, what
we are doing to solve those mistakes of

1990
02:59:33.399 --> 02:59:37.159
our divorce, that is, we
have understood what we should stop doing,

1991
02:59:37.559 --> 02:59:39.559
what we have understood, what we
should do and how we practice it.

1992
02:59:39.319 --> 02:59:43.319
Show them what our life script is
for this new couple. To be able

1993
02:59:43.399 --> 02:59:46.479
to explain to them looks a million
lives. My honest shortcomings. I'

1994
02:59:46.840 --> 02:59:50.159
m trying to disobey this every time
I see myself in these circumstances act like

1995
02:59:50.200 --> 02:59:54.000
this and I have to disobey it. Once we have undressed with this depth

1996
02:59:54.079 --> 02:59:58.879
in front of person. We need
the other person also to undress dulantly our

1997
02:59:58.959 --> 03:00:03.079
emotionally mentally instigating accordingly, for look. My divorce was because of these causes.

1998
03:00:03.559 --> 03:00:09.520
I was responsible for this. I
was wrong about this other one and

1999
03:00:09.559 --> 03:00:11.920
I think my lilons of lives are
these. Yes, in a new couple

2000
03:00:11.959 --> 03:00:16.280
relationship, the other person I'
m going to make a pact with again

2001
03:00:16.399 --> 03:00:22.600
to give me a new chance to
live with that person I don' t

2002
03:00:22.719 --> 03:00:26.760
even know why their divorce or why. It' s always based on how

2003
03:00:26.879 --> 03:00:30.200
bad the other one did and tells
us I did bad things, but it

2004
03:00:30.239 --> 03:00:33.559
never tells us what we can stop. We can stop, because the first

2005
03:00:33.639 --> 03:00:39.200
thing that will happen is that this
person will repeat with us the same mistakes

2006
03:00:39.280 --> 03:00:46.840
that he repeated with the previous couple, and that condemns us to repeat a

2007
03:00:46.000 --> 03:00:48.760
divorce, because for that reason he
divorced. So what we need to know

2008
03:00:48.799 --> 03:00:52.879
more. I just came from a
divorce and I have so many kids and

2009
03:00:52.879 --> 03:00:54.319
this happened to me. If I
don' t come from a divorce.

2010
03:00:54.000 --> 03:00:58.319
This was the circumstance, this is
what came to us in the end to

2011
03:00:58.440 --> 03:01:01.680
make the decision to divorce us.
But my mistakes, what I think I

2012
03:01:01.799 --> 03:01:05.479
did wrong was this and this and
this and this. When the person is

2013
03:01:05.520 --> 03:01:09.360
not able to describe us we have
to stop. And then, if I

2014
03:01:09.360 --> 03:01:16.680
recommend, always set up a mediator' s counselor to help us find out

2015
03:01:16.799 --> 03:01:20.280
what were the mistakes of the one
and the mistakes of the other in order

2016
03:01:20.360 --> 03:01:26.440
to start a relationship with true transparency, as if we started it truly from

2017
03:01:26.559 --> 03:01:30.719
zero, as if the previous baggage
did not put sticks on the wheels,

2018
03:01:31.639 --> 03:01:37.920
but vice versa if it lived to
avoid certain errors or specific conflicts of agreement,

2019
03:01:37.559 --> 03:01:41.360
something important also to take into account. It' s no use I

2020
03:01:41.399 --> 03:01:43.760
didn' t give him enough time. This is a very nice phrase,

2021
03:01:43.879 --> 03:01:48.920
which looks very good as a phase
of responsibility, but it does not really

2022
03:01:48.959 --> 03:01:52.200
tell us what was going on.
We need clear examples, what do you

2023
03:01:52.239 --> 03:01:56.719
mean you spent enough time, what
you' ve tried or what you'

2024
03:01:56.719 --> 03:01:58.959
re trying to do now. For
this to happen again. We need to

2025
03:02:00.120 --> 03:02:05.840
talk about these things very clearly and
normally when we come we have come from

2026
03:02:05.920 --> 03:02:11.319
a divorce and we find someone we
fill with so much hope and so much

2027
03:02:11.360 --> 03:02:15.920
illusion to start over that these things
we do not talk about, express or

2028
03:02:15.920 --> 03:02:20.360
explain. Then yes. That is
why statistics show that there is much more

2029
03:02:20.440 --> 03:02:26.239
vulnerability to re- divorcing if one
has already lived. Of course it'

2030
03:02:26.239 --> 03:02:30.799
s true, well, the truth
that is a note is very timely.

2031
03:02:30.879 --> 03:02:35.559
Sure, surely they contain us or
someone directly in particular, or some of

2032
03:02:35.639 --> 03:02:41.840
our friends or friends who listen to
us weekly or to family that we are

2033
03:02:41.959 --> 03:02:46.319
in the environment, and we are
always concerned about how to help those under

2034
03:02:48.000 --> 03:02:50.840
this circumstance that we must know to
start again after a divorce. Well,

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dear Judith, as always, thank
you very much, this gives much more

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of itself and we will continue to
talk about it. We will continue to

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speak plainly, of course, I' m the couple' s always a

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field so intense and so interesting and
so important because that' s what'

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s based on our society. In
the end, in a family nucleus that

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has begun or flourished, it has
begun to be born in a couple,

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so it is indispensable. I think
it' s wonderful to be able to

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spend time with them. Of course, if I send you a very affectionate

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hug, thank you Judith, also
a hug you travel on the train of

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life the evangelical churches a place of
peace and friendship. You can freely attend

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the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood
or your population. You' ll be

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very welcome.