WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:07.639 This is the two seventeen Recovery podcast with Corey Winfield. Yeah, it's hard 2 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:10.240 right now, It's tough. It sucks. You want to call a hole 3 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:13.759 and die. But this could be the best thing that's ever happened to you. 4 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:17.800 Justin Burke, then we actually take better care of her than our plants. 5 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:21.760 Are you're talking about Susan. You're back on that. Yeah, And 6 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:30.440 Mitchell old Brian, I watered all of the plants, all of them. 7 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:35.240 It is the eighth of April twenty twenty four. My name is Cory Winfield, 8 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:40.759 and this is the two seventeen Recovery podcasts with Justin Berg. What up, 9 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:46.399 Mitchell O'Brien. He we didn't work today, boys woo. Yeah, 10 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:50.759 oh, we didn't work today. Hard work. Yeah. We were out 11 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:55.479 in what they call the pines. And if you're not familiar with the pines 12 00:00:55.920 --> 00:01:00.119 here in Traverse City, the most or many of the unhow in Traverse City 13 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.239 made their way to the pines and they camp there and they live there, 14 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.680 even though some people in the city they're like, you can't do that because 15 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:12.640 it's so I legal to camp in the city permit or something. I'm just 16 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:17.480 on the human rights Commission. I don't know, but I'm actually gotta go 17 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:22.799 there in like thirty minutes, but I'll ax them. But anyway, they 18 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:27.000 don't have access to proper ways to dispose of their trash sometimes, and some 19 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:32.760 people care, some people don't. There's criminals out there, there's people that 20 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:34.000 are just hard on their luck out there. You know, it's a mixture. 21 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:42.599 There's people who need mental health serious like valuation like help, and there's 22 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:49.040 people who need and I say need because probably would their life would be better 23 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:53.719 if they maybe went to treatment. But you can't make people go to treatment 24 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.680 that You're just gonna take beds from people who actually are trying their hardest to 25 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.640 get clean and sober. So you can't just start throwing people in there, 26 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:05.439 you know, because I've read people's stuff online, which is it's sad and 27 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:07.560 hilarious at the same time, and they're's like, well, why don't we 28 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:10.919 just put all these people in treatment? Just because they have a drug problem 29 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:14.439 doesn't mean they want to go to treatment. Some people are living their best 30 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.560 life out there, right, you know, like a pirate. That it 31 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:22.639 is sad, and that's it makes me angry because I know what addiction's like 32 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.520 and I know, if I have one drink today, I'm gone. There's 33 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:29.680 no coming back. And that's why I don't take a drink today. But 34 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:34.400 you get somebody out there, and there's trickery, there's thievery. They're praying 35 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:37.919 that people are down on their luck, and they're giving them drugs and they're 36 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:42.479 keeping them fed with this horrible lifestyle. And once you get into that mindset 37 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:46.039 of no hope, it's hard to come back from that. Man, and 38 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:50.039 you add the drugs to it and everything else that's going on in this crazy 39 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.199 world, it's just not fair to those people. So I'm not a big 40 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:54.400 fan of that. And I think, you know, just get the criminals 41 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:59.280 out of there, and if there's children living out there, we should probably 42 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:01.800 you'll get them out of there. I mean, there's, like I said, 43 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:05.960 criminals out there. There's no kids out there. Yeah, there's no 44 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:07.520 myth out there either, Yeah, there is. There's tons of it. 45 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.439 And that's that's the problem I have with it. You know, we met 46 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.319 a guy today and he seemed like a pretty good guy. He was yelling 47 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:20.159 at me for taking pictures and stuff, which I posted a video of our 48 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.240 excursion out there today. It's on our Facebook. It's on two seventeen recovery 49 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:29.159 dot Com. I don't have it on an app yet, but it's pretty 50 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.039 much everywhere. You can kind of see what we did and what we're doing 51 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:36.400 out there. And I didn't mean to make it look like we did all 52 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:38.960 the work, because we did barely any of it. But I wanted to 53 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:40.639 tell the stories of the people who did you know, the Traverse City qRT 54 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.520 team, the Traverse City Police Department was out there, Catholic Human Services, 55 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:52.599 Diction Treatment Services, Save Harbor, Safe Harburg, Harbor, Goodwill in there 56 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:54.400 out there. But like I want to say, like all these people that 57 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:59.439 they just just bang up job man and they stepped up, and you have 58 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.360 to realize that there are good people out there that just fall on hard times. 59 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:06.159 And the guy we were talking to, he did not like people just 60 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:10.280 throwing their trash everywhere. It pissed him off, yeah, you know, 61 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:14.240 and he was actually mad that I wasn't taking pictures of that. He was 62 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:15.439 like, you got to tell people what's going on out here. I was 63 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:18.959 like, I will, but my run in with people out there is none 64 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:23.639 of them want to talk. But he did, and I'm actually gonna maybe 65 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:26.639 that'll be the start of my documentary about it. I don't know, but 66 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.720 I'm definitely gonna get with him and interview him and record him and stuff. 67 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.199 And he had two crazy dogs. They were in heat, and the whole 68 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:36.079 time trying to talk to him, it was like just trying to hold their 69 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:40.920 leashes as far as like away. Yeah, and that dog was still trying 70 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:45.360 to get a the other one because you know it is and the female dog, 71 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:46.560 she was in heat. He said, he just kept throwing that ass 72 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.720 and then the other dog's face and the other dog was like hump on the 73 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:53.879 ground. He's like, I gotta get someone looking at it, looking at 74 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.959 us, like like you see what I deal with? Yeah, this is 75 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:02.920 this is horrible. Yeah. But we went out there and it was I 76 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:08.600 don't want to say enlightening, but I mean it kind of was in a 77 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:14.360 way because to actually see how our homeless live and everything else, that's enlightening, 78 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.439 you know. I mean most people want to think about what would be 79 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:20.959 out there, you know, and there's everything out there but a couch, 80 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:28.560 yeah, or kitchen sink. Yeah. I don't know if I saw the 81 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.040 kitchen sink, I'm not sure, but yeah, there's there's tons of stuff 82 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:35.120 out there and a lot of junk, a lot of When I flew the 83 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:42.120 drone over, I did see a stroller, like and that was in the 84 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:45.040 back where that one guy was like, don't go past this because that's where 85 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:47.759 the you know, the real bad stuff happens out there. Don't go out 86 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:53.120 there. Yeah, that's yeah. And there's like twenty bikes, a bunch 87 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:56.199 of stolen stuff, I'm sure, and then a baby stroller and I was 88 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.959 like, oh dear, there's a lawmower in the mix. Yeah, yeah, 89 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:01.839 I was sure. I'm not sure who was mowing what out there, 90 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:05.360 but yeah, because there's no grass out there to be mowed by anything. 91 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:10.680 This a lot of stuff didn't make sense. But in a perfect world, 92 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:14.079 you know, we'd have places for all these people. And like I said, 93 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:17.519 you know the mental health issues, the substance use disorder that's going on 94 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.240 out there, but some of the people don't want help. And I say 95 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:25.399 that now because if you'd asked me when I was in my active addiction to 96 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:28.240 why I want I mean I did, though well, and I didn't until 97 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:30.480 my liver stopped and my liver shut down and kenney shut down. Then I 98 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.000 was like, all right, well maybe I should probably get some help. 99 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.120 But up until then, there's no way in hell you could have made me 100 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:41.519 stop drinking. Right, it's not an alcoholic not gonna happen to me. 101 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:46.399 For me, I mean, I didn't realize I had a problem till about 102 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.800 a year before I actually got arrested. You know, my whole life. 103 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:53.279 I'm like, I ain't got no problem. What are you guys talking about? 104 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:58.160 Yeah, I can relate to that. The whole life is falling apart. 105 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:02.360 And I'm like, you're talking about every drinks right, smokes a little 106 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:06.120 crack on the weekends. It's all right, I'm doing all the time, 107 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:10.240 right, you know, well the drinking I do. But now why I'm 108 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:15.439 driving, right, I drink afterwork, I smoke on the weekends. Yeah, 109 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:17.519 and that's why I could I reward myself. It makes sense to me 110 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:23.399 exactly. So it's not that they don't want it, but I just think 111 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.639 that they could live much were I know for a fact that they could live 112 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:30.480 much more productive lifestyle. But once you get that first in you and then 113 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:32.879 you get the hope out the window, and everything's going against you and you 114 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.920 just see the same stuff every day. You know, and then there's people 115 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:40.680 out there that they love it, like they're living their best life. And 116 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:42.240 I even said that to the guy and he's like, oh, yeah, 117 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:46.399 absolutely. It's like they don't want a house, they don't want a job, 118 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.240 they want to do just what they're doing. And we seen some pretty 119 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:58.079 uh well built, elaborate, yeah, elaborate carp houses there were. I 120 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:03.199 mean I was actually impressed. Flos mm hmm, yeah, some of it 121 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:07.279 was was pretty nice, and it was like, dang, I would like 122 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.720 to say that after seeing the video that you made, I feel like it 123 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:18.879 totally eclipsed the positivity that it's happening out there in the pines. Explain that 124 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:26.839 the whole reason we went out there was just to you know, document the 125 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:35.519 good that's happening out there too, and I just felt like the coverage totally 126 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:43.759 eclipsed what was happening and nothing, absolutely nothing. We need a rolling drummer. 127 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.679 There we go. I can find it, I can find it. 128 00:08:52.279 --> 00:09:00.320 Yeah, good one match. We all got a Yeah. We did look 129 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.120 at the eclipse today too. Yeah, yeah, a couple of good pictures 130 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.559 of it. Yeah. I think it's BS. I think it's some Obama 131 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:13.799 made up so yeah, Trump's and Biden working together. It's conspiracy because no, 132 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.559 seriously, it all started with my drone because I took my drone out 133 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.480 to the pines, which I before we left, I got on this site 134 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.960 called a loft which you go on there and then you get approval from the 135 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:31.240 FAA. Yeah, boy right here, got approval from the FAA to fly 136 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:37.919 my drone in that zone till eleven thirty am. We get out there, 137 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:43.200 it's nine fifteen. Take the drone up, hit a wall like you should, 138 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:48.399 just won't go anymore. It's like restricted zone. Some bullshit. It's 139 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:54.840 Trump and it's Biden, they're working together. They get this whole conspiracy about 140 00:09:54.840 --> 00:10:01.279 this eclipse and the Yep, it's Obama's fault too. And it starts with 141 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:05.399 a drone and they're gonna take my guns. It's their their death Star guns 142 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:11.759 they have out thereon Star and they're like, oh, no, world, 143 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.120 this is accident. We can't maneuver it away. What are we going to 144 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.519 do. Let's just tell them it's a in eclipse. We'll get everybody excited. 145 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:26.320 Really, Aliens coming to take their their Earth back, to get their 146 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:30.399 golden minerals, Indians, I think, but I don't think. No, 147 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:39.120 that's one of the aliens. They got different tribes of aliens that they yeah, 148 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:41.519 they're cool people, but they you know, they're just like us, 149 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:50.120 but as aliens. That sounds like getting close. You getting close to saying 150 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.919 it, Mitch. But I almost got beat up by this kid for snoring. 151 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:54.679 But I was like four times the size, So I mean, yeah, 152 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:01.039 mm hmmm. That was during the eclipse. Get kind of dark out 153 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.000 there. I was like, time to go home already. Well, I 154 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:05.000 looked out there and you were like, that's pain. It was easier just 155 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:09.960 to look them all. It's like, okay, I shumember doing that. 156 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:15.960 Now mess it. You took your sunglasses and you took your phone behind it, 157 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.440 and you kind of use that as like a screen, which worked out 158 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:24.120 pretty well. So I was playing with the exposure on the the iPhone because 159 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:30.799 we were iPhone fifteen. Damn yeh promax Bamba out of control, I know. 160 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:35.039 But anyway, it got a pretty good picture. But then I was 161 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.240 like, I wonder if I just got it like it's a little bit more 162 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:41.000 like coverage on there. So then I put my sunglasses on there, and 163 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:45.480 I don't know if it's because maybe being polarized helped. I don't really think 164 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.159 it was like this is a little bit of tent, and then it ended 165 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:52.159 up doing a pretty pretty decent picture at the end. At the beginning, 166 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.360 like when it wasn't covered as much the moon or whatever dust star over the 167 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:01.759 squatch Aton sun, I didn't make much of a difference, but it's more 168 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.559 moon covered the sun and started to started look pretty good. So yeah, 169 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:13.480 yeah, I posted those online. So dude that my son was God Like. 170 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:18.720 They're like, he she that shouldn't have happened. Like, I don't 171 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.559 know how, you know what I mean, like get it Adam in the 172 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.759 back. Well, thanks Adam. We'll get back to you on that point. 173 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:31.720 But it was confusing for me the whole because I was taking my phone 174 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.240 and like doing the selfie, so it would shoot past me and the sun 175 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.080 was behind me and it looked just like the sun showed it to Justin said 176 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:43.320 look Justice, like, yeah, that was my first picture. When you 177 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.200 guys are like when I go out there and I'm trying to see it and 178 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:48.799 use your iPhone and I put my iPhone in it, I'm like, looks 179 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:52.200 just like the sun. I was like, I can see more of the 180 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.840 eclipse just by looking at it, which you're not supposed to do. So 181 00:12:54.879 --> 00:13:00.960 I permanently damaged my say that, don't make a public Now the insurance is 182 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:09.960 going to skyrocket for us. That's here, It's one of the truths. 183 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:18.399 Well, I wonder we go back to Adams point. Uh. I wonder 184 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.799 if there are glasses, because when you put the glasses in the UV whatever 185 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.480 it is, and you can see different things. Right, what if there 186 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:33.440 were glasses where we could see ghosts? There's a story what about the original 187 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:39.879 but you know, like a military night vision the green light. Yeah, 188 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.600 so originally it wasn't that, and I don't have all the details on it, 189 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:48.200 but this was back in I think Vietnam and they had a new night 190 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:54.559 vision out. Well, there are these like helicopters flying like a whole bunch 191 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:56.399 of them for this mission. And this one guy had a gun on the 192 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:00.759 side just starts carolling ham on something, freaking out like they're over here. 193 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.399 They're like, what are you talking about? And it's like the demons are 194 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:11.320 flying? And then another airplane guy earn from another helicopter starts shooting in the 195 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.759 same direction. And then they're on the radio and like a whole bunch of 196 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:20.519 them, and so they were seeing like these strange flying creatures, and then 197 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:28.679 all of a sudden the government made those illegal and came out with these green 198 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.960 light different like what they use now is when they came out with that technology. 199 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.080 Now, there's also a story that the chemical used inside of those was 200 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:43.759 leaking out and was highly toxic, But that sounds like a conspiracy theory to 201 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.559 me. They don't want us to know that we have visual technology that can 202 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:52.320 see behind the field. If you were the guy that's like ten steps ahead 203 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.960 of the president, you know, because president people are like, oh he 204 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:58.840 knows, he doesn't If you were that guy, the real guy in charge, 205 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:03.039 and you're like, hey, I got these glasses, now we can 206 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:11.320 see that people. Would you release that to the public? You probably just 207 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.919 put a cap in my ass, all right, got rid of that. 208 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:18.639 Nothing to see here, folks. Yes, this is what they do about 209 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.320 you, justin if you're the head guy in charge, would would you would 210 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:30.360 you release the glasses to the peoples? Yeah? Sure? As a training 211 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.279 thing. What it would look like for people you drink kool aid because they 212 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.799 want to die and cast the hayley'st commet across the universe. You're gonna give 213 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:46.399 those people the glasses, These preacher people who marry like eighty five wives and 214 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:50.039 get everybody to kill themselves and give them the money. You're gonna have those 215 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.720 Let those people have control of glasses that you can see that people. You 216 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.159 see you cut me off, I said I would allow them. So you're 217 00:15:56.200 --> 00:16:03.679 gonna underneath the controlled tests of h environment, so that way people could see 218 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:07.159 what it was like. He was meth and see shadow people. You ever 219 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:12.360 seen shadow people? It was detoxing my ghost hunt once or something. I 220 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:17.679 don't know. I've seen shadow people wide awake. I mean I have. 221 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.039 I saw a lot back when I was detaxing with drolling. That's called illucinations. 222 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.159 Well is it? Yeah, you saw a Brady Bunch in my house. 223 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:29.639 See that's alcoholic d typing. But I knew it wasn't there. I 224 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.480 knew it was fake. Oh, but when you're in month, you're convinced 225 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:38.399 it's real. Yeah. I don't have any experience with that. I have 226 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:44.080 lots of experience with that. I'm sorry. Just so you can help people 227 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:47.639 one day with your story. Yeah, along the glasses story, and you 228 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.720 brought up the president, so Jimmy Carter one of his biggest things because UFOs 229 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.480 were like a big thing about that they won't show him anything. Well, 230 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.120 his whole thing was, when I get into presidency, I'm going to have 231 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:03.799 them disclosed everything, damn. And then he told him he became the president, 232 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:07.960 and then he just brought him this file and nobody knows what it says 233 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:10.480 with him and the people that gave it to him, but they brought him 234 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:15.480 this file and he looked at it and he cried for forty five minutes. 235 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:19.000 And then immediately after that was like, Nope, we're not doing the disclosure 236 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:22.880 thing anymore. He's still alive to McCarter, right, Yeah, he's like 237 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:26.000 on his deathbed though, in hospice or something. Yeah, something like that 238 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.720 should reach out and get him on the show. Yeah, he was building 239 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:34.599 houses for I think what is that habitat for humanity? Until he was like 240 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:37.279 in the nineties or something like that. I think you only had to do 241 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:40.480 like once they once you get a house from it, you only got to 242 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:41.640 do so much work back. So I don't know why he would do that 243 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:49.680 so much. And I'm saying me on that lifetime presidential houses, Ye, 244 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:56.240 me too, right, I was born with mine, but I'm but I 245 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:06.079 can identify it now. Yeah, exactly to be fun. Well, someone 246 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:10.799 I know it had a pretty good idea about people who were unhoused or whatever. 247 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:15.200 If you, let's just say you ran a campground, you're gonna need 248 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:19.400 people to mow the yard, to take people's money and whatever. So like, 249 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.799 why couldn't you just open up a campground and be like, look, 250 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:27.039 these five lots you can live here or how are many? And it's cool, 251 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:30.480 but you got to do the trash pickup, You have to clean the 252 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.920 pool, You have to like give them duties to do around there all year 253 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.960 and then in the winter when people aren't there, Okay, your job is 254 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:44.960 to make sure this is closed up or I don't know, like it doesn't 255 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.359 that seem like a pretty good idea. Well, I think they try that 256 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:55.279 during COVID out in California. Bring up bullsh and with the homeless and they 257 00:18:55.319 --> 00:19:00.400 were latinum lived there for free and everything, and all they did was trash. 258 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:02.680 Well, this isn't rent free. This is like you have to you 259 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:06.039 have to clean up your space, like you actually have people keeping you. 260 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:07.559 Well, I don't want to do it. Well, boom, you're gone, 261 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:14.599 like pay your way. And then again, I think a lot of 262 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.359 people are on hard times, you know, and with the property tax going 263 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.680 on, Like dude, Michigan has one of the shadiest freaking property tax ever. 264 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.079 And I don't know if a lot of people know about it or not, 265 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:30.599 but it is horrible. And the way they can just raise your junk 266 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.519 whatever they want pretty much. Oh there's a certain amount, no they they 267 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:38.000 they'll fucking whatever, They'll do whatever, and it's caused people to be homeless. 268 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:41.160 Is straight up. I don't want just anybody raising my junk. M 269 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:48.440 m m. That's why I don't want to own home. I never had 270 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:52.799 to prey property tax. Hm. Well they still jack up the rent. 271 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:56.440 Where do you think who do you think pays that power property tax when you 272 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.880 rent? Yeah? Why do you think it goes another way bucks every month 273 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:07.319 or every year? Yeah, that's why. But they uh, I don't 274 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.400 know. But anyway, it back to my point is the campground thing. 275 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.519 These people they work there, it's part of their job to keep it up 276 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:18.279 because like that one dude that we met today would fet that bell perfectly, 277 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:21.599 he would love it. He'd have his dogs out there a whole breeding program. 278 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:23.680 Yep, you get him myself a little job. He'd have a fence, 279 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:30.200 keep his dogs in. It's good to go. What's wrong with that? 280 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.480 That's a pretty good idea. And then the other people that are out 281 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:36.720 there doing drugs or whatever, they wouldn't be there because they actually a have 282 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:40.680 to work and they wouldn't want to do that, you know. But here's 283 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:42.000 an opportunity for somebody to get back on their feet in some kind of way, 284 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:45.400 at least in a living environment. And they not that they'd have to 285 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:47.920 put in forty hours a week, but hey, here's your chore. Here's 286 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:49.200 what you have to do every night. I don't care if you're tired. 287 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:55.920 Ten o'clock. You go around and pick up everybody's trash, eight am whatever. 288 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.000 You know, Like, that's your chore. That's what you have to 289 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:00.440 do. If you can't do that, you don't live here. I think 290 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:04.839 that goes back to something you've said about people in recovery too, because if 291 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:08.400 you treat them like children, we're going to act like children. Treat them 292 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:12.039 like adults, they're going to act like adults. To give them some adult 293 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:17.519 responsibilities. Yeah, and most of them that are on the hard luck times 294 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.759 like they would welcome that in a heartbeat. They were like, oh my 295 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:23.000 god, that's awesome. I'll do it twice a day. We're even the 296 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:26.279 people out there, you know, to go to the campsites that look like 297 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:30.279 hell and be like, you guys are out of here. We're coming in. 298 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:33.559 We got a truck right here. We're throwing all your stuff in the 299 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:36.400 truck. We're taking you to jail. It's illegal camp here. Anyways, 300 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:38.839 you guys ain't keeping the property clean. Then where they going to go? 301 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:48.319 Justin to jail? Hmmm, No, I don't know's I don't think that's 302 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:56.640 a great idea. But I gotta pay for them to live. You're paying 303 00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:59.519 for whatever somebody's in the jail or not. They're putting somebody in that room 304 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:04.000 for something. But the problem I think that you know, they could go 305 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:08.119 through or maybe we should ask them why they don't with drug dogs to the 306 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:12.039 part where they know there's drugs. You know? Is it because I don't 307 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:18.240 know, you know, like have a meth sniffing dog. That would be 308 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:22.440 nuts, wouldn't it. M hm, got the whole wrong stuff, probably 309 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:30.119 have probably have a stroke'll be bad. It'd be like this way that way. 310 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.319 Damn it, this is the eighth tent you've looked in and nothing in 311 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:40.160 here no more. It'd be like, we want some more. Where's that? 312 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:42.039 Where's that? Where's that? Where's that? Run were? But no, 313 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:44.720 if they went through there was some drunk dog. I mean, just 314 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:47.839 clean up the crime in that, you know, But for the for the 315 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:49.480 person that's out there, just hard on luck man. I think that that 316 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:56.000 would be a great idea. And I wonder how much campground campsite does cost 317 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:59.720 because sitting there like some rually can only camp at one site for like two 318 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:03.599 weeks and you gotta move over. It depends on the campground, state campgrounds. 319 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:07.920 Some some are a week, some are two weeks. We should do 320 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:11.279 that, we should. You know that guy we talked to you today was 321 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:15.160 Dustin. Yeah, we should get a hold of him and then make him 322 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:19.839 do like podcast interviews with local campers every week, and then we could play 323 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.519 it on the podcast. Yeah, that's what he has to do for us, 324 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:30.519 and then we get it sponsored by a pizza place, Chinese pizza that 325 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:34.559 was all also Chinese pizza. About an hour ago, I was saying Chinese 326 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:41.920 cheese, but that that would be a good idea, and then he could, 327 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:47.079 you know, do the Chinese pizza report from the whatever campground when we 328 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:51.279 get a little thing at Traverse City. Though, I bet they got some 329 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:56.680 boogie prices on those campgrounds. I haven't. I haven't run into campground in 330 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:03.160 in like a decade, and most of them don't allow tents anymore, don't. 331 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:07.240 There are r V spots. Well, there's a lot of army spots, 332 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:11.960 but there's like the State Campground still have like in the Rusty campground and 333 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.680 interlocking. I don't know about the one over by the bay. They still 334 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:22.839 have places where you can, you know, put your tents up and uh 335 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:29.519 three nights. I paid like twenty six bucks. Oh that's pretty good. 336 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:33.359 But that is a rustic campground. So like your amenities was a port pty. 337 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:44.680 Nice one was better than the log in the woods. Well don't right? 338 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:48.200 You know, well, I have to wrap this podcast up, you 339 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:51.720 gentlemen. I just wanted to come in and do a little something. It 340 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:55.960 was five years ago, two days ago I did the first podcast, so 341 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.319 to seventeen recoveries. So finally the five year mark with the podcast asked, 342 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.200 so that was kind of a big deal. Nice, it's pretty cool, 343 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.640 but we'll talk more about that next time. So I'm in the next episode. 344 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:14.240 Yeah, the next episode later. Oh bye, oh us up kicked 345 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:19.799 out. Bye. Thanks for listening to the two seventeen Recovery podcast. We 346 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:25.319 hope you come back for our next episode.