You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal
Peep Show. Hi, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show for twenty twenty four,
the very first edition in January. Well, today's edition is slightly different
from previous shows. It's just me and my Todd. I'm actually joined this
time by Ben ellen Jones, our regular guest, but he actually paid a
visit to me here in Dorset, so we did an interview in my summer
house. So enjoy the show. Hello there, good evening. It is
New Year's Day, twenty twenty four, Hoping Year and Neil Happy in the
Year event. I'm Ben Emlin Joel's I'm here with Neil Wards. Yes,
thank you for coming down to Weymouth Endorse event. So you arrived on New
Year's Eve and this morning we went out to the island of Portland. The
weather's now overcast, is a little bit rainy here and it's starting to get
dark. But we've set up a small studio here in the summerhouse. I
know, winter, but that's what it's called mouse. So we're going to
do a small interview here and just talk about things parallel subjects, social subjects,
anything that comes to mind. Really, So Ben, you've been to
Portland before, and yes, I'm okay, we came. I came in
July and now and we had this last year now, yeah, and we
had a lovely time. And I'll put a link in the description box of
the video to one my copy to our preview. Yeah, iventure and it
was I spoke at the Dose Earth Mistress group and we went went in the
nice warm weather. We went up to the top of Portland Peninsula and it
was very very nice. It's just the weather works so good. But we
still had a good child if we saw a farm full of wallabees and very
unexpected, yes, and it was. It was a very antipothy weather.
I must say, you want don to bar we down the beach made today.
But we did go to Portland Bill, you know, the famous lighthouse,
and overcome my fear of heights and I gritting my teeth and I didn't
chick it out at this time. So regular View was really proud of me
because when I went to the South Shields Lighthouse, I did and I'm very
ashamed of myself for chicken out. So but it was really really cool it
was. It was a really good time. We also when looking for the
Bibby Stockholm barge, which is a bit sort of a not famous so much
as infamous. Bibby Stockholm of course is a did some switch off there went
dark? So ghost that's that all right? There it goes again. It
is because it's the battery connect on. Were leaning right? Oh there you
going on? That's what it does, okay, okay, yeah, the
Bobby stock is a is a barge. Well, it's it's called a bar.
It's actually just like a pontoon with them with a couple of buildings on
top of it. Early. No, it doesn't have an engine or any
it doesn't have any proposal system or steering. It's it's literally just that it's
like a floating ill accommodation. Yeah. Sorry. Initially designed to the oil
industry for people working on platforms and the thing. It was designed for workers
in the oil rig industry to out somewhere at stay when they're presumably a shift
or some Yeah, it's been adapted full use for the government to house some
illegal migrants. Well they call the migrants in wasting or or what I call
migrants having their claims process they have various euphemisms for them, but yeah,
they are. It's been used to cumminate five hundred of them, which is
a bit silly really because when it does, are how many of these particular
migrants there are? A bar full of five hundred people is just to drop
in the ocean. It's nothing. It's the equivalent number of people probably arrive
in the country every day claiming asylum. And so I think what I suspect
is some kind of publicity stunts, and it is. Well, it's been
already been closed once because they found a lesion. They found a legionarium in
the water supply, which can cause a deadly disease. You have to test
water for it. I think they've got about thirty bi blod and now they're
helping to fill up five hundred of os. But what do you think it
is? Because I'm on this whole lot of publicity, so I don't think
it's really justified. Ironically, all that's had a lot of puplicity and everyone
seems to know about it. It's very difficult to get to because it's sort
of tuck around at the harbor of Portland. When you drive so far down
the road where it's indicated to be, but then you hit a security baron
you can't go further than that. So any kind of reports that I've seen
must have gone through the security bower. They must have permission to film there,
which obviously haven't, so we can't get there. We thought we might
get a shot from it from a long distance, but unbelievably, nowhere on
the Portland Peninsula, even though that includes things which is very high cliffs and
things like that, and then the hills that look down onto the town itself
and the Portland Port itself, there's nowhere where you actually have a line of
sign towards the Bibby stock Holm barge, which is really strange because it's also
like they deliberately mordered in a location where cannot be seen from anywhere except,
as I say, from inside the security corder and Portland Port. Yeah,
I don't know why they think with what that is, just do they think
we're going to hit it with a more of a security bran? Yeah,
you know, it's seeing it's a strategic place to put it and it keeps
people, protesters away or whoever degrees with it away from there, and whereas
in all these other places there's there's been hotels that they've got security guards outside
hotels where they've got all these immigrants migrants where we want to call them.
And so this is I think it's the first time they actually put these people
on a floating platform, and I think the idea is they want to try
a few of them up and down the country in various ports, but this
is probably the first one and they sort of literally test in the war with
it. Yeah, it's has attracted protesters who've been protesting against the government policy.
And interestingly the protesters actually are also they're not just protesting against the government,
they're protesting against each other because there are two main camps. One camp
is saying that the government should be i musically with pattering all these people to
wherever they came from. The other side is saying that they should be allowed
off the barge, have their claims processed immediately, and be allowed to wander
free in the population. So obviously he's have two the two opposing interests or
work here. And also the other thing that's been in the news recently only
in the last sort of month of December, which who just left me how
we're jarring at first it was a time of recording that there was one guy
from from the bib Stock com I think it's a twenty seven year old guy.
He committed suicide. I think there's an inquest got to be held into.
But it looks like he probably hung himself in the gase. So I
don't know what whether he's being threatened to be sent home or sent onto somewhere
else. I don't know the ins and outs of that, unfortunately, but
he obviously found it too stressful, you know, sad, sad for him,
unfortunately. Absolutely, I mean I'm absolutely, I'm not I'm on this
obviously. I'm on the side of the people who say that these people shouldn't
be he it should be repatriated. Yeah, I feel no, I feel
no se fashion. Hearing that someone ended their life on board that ship at
all, on monstable, that barge at all, a ship, I think
that's a very that's a great tragedy. Yes, definitely, so condolers to
his loved ones. Watch it now. Obviously this is a in the history
of this is very very young in the sense of what it is. There's
a building, but how long they plan to have it for I don't know.
But whilst we was at the lighthouse, the portable lighthouse. I was
very interested to find out that the guide that took us around happened to mention
about that people seeing things of a spooking nature there ghosts or felt presences,
an't they? Yes, this is this is a very It's a lighthouse that
was built in nine five. There's an older light house further along the coast,
just a few hundred as further up the coast, it is no longer
in use. And the lady who she was interesting lady. She had a
strange accent which I couldn't identify it first, I thought I heard that someone
before and there is a news radio calls that there's a news reader called Lee's
Duchett also has it. It's actually Eastern Canadian for the area around in New
Brunswick. But she, yeah, she was a nice lady, and she
was very supportive of me because I was suffering from terrible vertigo. But she
sort of like noticed immediately and was very supportive of me. But I'm pleased
to say that I gripped in my teeth and I didn't chick it out this
time. And regular regular viewers will be proud of me because they know I
did do that at the south Shield Lighthouse. I have felt a bit embarrassed
about that, so as it's the first time I buried those ghosts. Yeah,
it's a coin a phrase. Yeah, that was the first time I've
actually been up a lighthouse setting very instant. It was too to sick.
There's a modern light now, and they used old fashioned lights. They used
to have oil lamps and now the powerful electric lamps, and they now have
LED's. They used to have like incandescent filaments and they have LEDs. But
I like all old buildings, and there is there's a lot of them to
attract spirits of various kinds. Lighthouses have a spooky reputation, probably because they're
very often in remote areas. And indeed, there's a film called The Lighthouse.
It's not actually seen, and I've seen a few clips of it.
It looks like some kind of supernateral psychological thriller set on a remote on an
island, a remote island lighthouse sometime in the nineteenth century, where you sometimes
get two, three, sometimes four men who would be literally isolated from the
entire world, sometimes several months at a time, maintaining the lighthouse. This
was the day before there was any form of communication, electronic communication, so
you literally wouldn't know what's going on. You might as well be our desert
island. You're telling me about a story about a lighthouse in Scotland where it
was abandoned and people's found they couldn't understand where they're gone. This is very
strange. This is the flann And Island mystery. And indeed there's very good
bedtime story the video make about this. This took place, I believe in
Yeah, the Flannel Islands mystery is happened. It's something that happened in nineteen
hundreds. The flann And Islands are a remote archipelago off the coast of western
Scotland, and there was the usual thing. There was a lighthouse there,
manned by it with three lighthouse keepers whose job was to stay there for a
number of probably for several months at a time, just maintaining that light.
This was in the days before there were any form of electronic communication. Were
not just in terms of themselves could you call your phone in home and things
like this, this is in terms of ship navigation. Their ships literally had
nothing but the lighthouses, and for instance, to get a bearing sometimes and
there was the lighthouse was there to walk to basically to help the ships navigate
few channels where there might be houseless rocks and things like this. So it's
absolutely essential there's light kept work. In other ways the ships might get shipwrecked.
One day a ship was passing luckily in goodwall and they had plenty of
visibility, and they noticed that the light wasn't on, and so a ship.
Then this was in December nineteen hundred. When they got to the port,
they reported this in the middle of the lighthouse. The lighthouse authorities sent
out a boat. As I said, there was no way to phone these
people radio with them. They sent a boat out to check everything was okay.
When they arrived at the lighthouse, they found something very strange. Everything
appeared normal. There was no sign of any struggle, no sign. There
was no fire in the lighthouse. There was no disaster. There had been
no shipwrecks, have no storms. Everything was in good working order. The
light was off because they hadn't been refueled for a number of and for a
number of hours, had to be refueled every few hours. No sign of
any of the three lighthouse keepers. They were just gone, and it was
weird because everything looked normal. They'd been sitting down, look like they'd been
sitting avute to meal, and their plates were still there. The log book
was open on the desk, and then the last entry had been a few
days earlier, and there was no sign a chair and knocked over. That
was the chair been knocked over, if I remember rightly. Apart from that,
there was literally no sign of any trouble, no sign of any problems.
The men had just disappeared, and the authorities went't have to look around
and they found no bodies anywhere. They'd say the weather had been pleasants,
there have been no storms, and there's no reasons think they'd be washing into
the sea or anything like that. Because the ex sometimes used to go out
for walks along the coast when they're opportunity, because he worked in shifts.
Younu. It's a mystery to this day, these these these men never reappeared.
It's extremely odd, indeed, and it's an early example of one of
these mysterious disappearance stories. I mean there are earlier ones, but this is
before you know, this sort of thing was popular, and uh yeah,
I mean what happened to those guys. Hard to say, tie hundred and
twenty four years, it's hardest to know. We well, we're ever going
to find out. All they've been all kind of rumors and various conspiracy theories
and also obviously the background of the of the lighthouse keepers have gone into stories
about you know, mysterious mysterious connections to smugglers and pirates, secret stashes of
gold bits on the side which they're with, you know, with love triangles
and things like that, or these always happen, and one of these,
one of these mysterious incidents happens. You always get that, You always get
that most rational things before he come up with anything parental and most people would
sort of judged to them sort of Bermuda Triangle thing. But this is in
Scotland, nowhere near the Bermuda Triangle. No, so yeah, I mean,
what's more, I think that I must say have been reviewed to trial.
There is probably something of a distraction. It's getting more ship disappearances there,
because that's just there's lots of sea lanes in that area. Yeah,
so statistically going to get more ship disappearances. But ships do mysteriously disappear.
The sailors disappear and the marriage Celeste is another good example. This is from
the ageen seventies where shipper was found drifting close to the resorts. It was
a transatlantic cargo ship and when it was just found simply a drift at sea
and no one it didn't hand turned up, but it's harbor when he's supposed
to. And everyone thought in those days, savag at me has probably been
lost. The ship turns up, they found that ship's in good work in
order, there's no damage to it, and it's not noticed. It's obviously
not been harmed by storm. But they thought, oh my god, the
pirates have got her, and because but there was no one on board the
ship, and they thought the pirates had got so but no sign of any
struggle, no sign of any mayhem, no dead bodies, and the cargo
was still on board the ship and cargo. The ship was carrying a cargo
of whiskey from Canada to mostly Canadian whiskey to Europe, which on the you
know, on the bootleg market, would have been worth a hell of a
lot of money. And any pirates then the motor for a pirates boarding the
ship would be to steal a cargo. Pire is usually what they would do
is they'd board the ship, they'd kill the crew, and they just steal
cargo and put it on their own ship and then got sell it for a
lot of money. That hadn't happened. Also, as with the flannel lining
and mysteries, everything seemed in good working order. There's plenty of rations.
They hand run out of food, there's plenty of fresh water on board.
The crew, you know, all the crew belongings were still there. They
looked like this. They just sort of like we've been walking. They just
got up and they walked out. They found the lifeboat was missing. They
got into the lifeboat and obviously left the ship. But why there's and again
there's the usual sort of thing. Everything from all kinds of theories have been
proposed to get the Usually it's the usual things, smugglers, pirates, you
know, various collaborations, you know, homosexual jealousy, you name it.
It's been suggested. None of it makes any sense. You know, all
the researchers have gone into the wives, the partners, the fathers, mothers,
grandfathers, and every social connection every crew memberd But there's nothing to suggest
as with Captain Sharp of the of the Malaysian Hours three seventy plane. There's
nothing actually to suggest there in any way connected to I think dodging. So
yeah, it's another big mystery that is incredible, incredible. I suppose it
would be good to I mean, no one's perhaps suggested it, but it
would be good to bring mediums or psychics into this and see if they could
pick up any information concerning the fate of those people. Definitely, yeah,
I mean it's I mean, I think there have been several ghost hunts in
the area. In the Saturnlinland light houses. It's a it's a now disused,
it's it's it's not it's actually got an automatic light now. A lot
of vice houses has got automatic. But I mean there's kind of I think
there's some kind of museum now and tourists go there. A lot of them
just go there because of this mystery. Yeah, and so you can actually
visit the fan Lin's lightshouse. From getting back to the Porland line House.
Susie our guy did say that one of the most skeptical people that worked for
the team there has actually experienced the most sort of phenomena of anything of a
haunted mystery nature at least, So I asked her, what sort of things
is this person picking up? And she goes, oh, she's felt people
touch her, she's heard noises in the lighthouse when she's alone by herself,
she's seeing sort of things. She didn't really elaborate on what sort of things
she had seen. I would I love to have spoke into the witness themselves
to try and get to the bottom of it. But it's not a sort
of thing you have to think of about Haunted Lighthouse. It's really and I'm
not never really heard much reputation of it being a wired lif I mean,
most people go there as a tourist thing, but it's because we were interesting
that sort of thing. I just thought made a point of asking, and
so she answered. And it wouldn't surprise me. With getting back to Biby
Stockholm, as I said, it's a new kind of vessel there, so
I really got much of a history. But with the unfortunate guy that killed
himself, I wouldn't surprise me that people might start recording strange that as a
result of that god his soul is still there, or something energy or something
becausing Yeah, I mean it's it's sure to know. I mean the the
ghostly, ghostly phenomena tend to be associated with whether no one knows exactly what
they are. They may even be more than one phenomenon that we genetically charac
generically categorized together. But they often associated with deaths of ore in anguish or
pain and a violence or yeah, it's and and fear which wanted a suicide
definitely would be included there. That's why this is why hospitals are often haunted,
because there is a lot of pain and anguish and fear in them.
Battlefields things like that, and prisons, these places are often haunted. And
lighthouses, I mean that what you get lighthouse, I suppose there's a lot
of loneliness. I mean, not so much poorland because it's it's like in
a civilized area, but in place like the Flannel Islands, there'll be a
lot. I mean. There's a film I've never seen actually called The Lighthouse.
It's got Widhem Dafoe and Robert Pallison in it. It's quite a recent
film. Again, it's set in the nineteenth century on our remote island lighthouse
and these two for when I gathered from watching a few clips. The two
men become they start behaving differently, and they start to experience some kind of
vision associated with the light at the top of the at the top of the
house, of the top lights at the top of the tower, which they
have to maintain. And I'm curiush to see it was actually filmed on a
lighthouse, i think off the coast of Ireland. I'm curious to see this
film at some point. It'll be interesting to watch. I think it's Netflix.
I started to ship, but now I finished it. Like a lot
of things in Etflix. Yeah, it's easy to go through and down in
the Netflix rabbit hole. When you mentioned briefly about your hospital poring and you
said, I can recall a story where someone on your previous shift, when
you were coming in on the night shift or something, a nurse or something
could see something in a room or something. Yeah, So this was when
I was on a night shift, and I actually cha, I was on
duty the A and E Department and I claim on duty and what this happened
maybe an hour and a half earlier, just before the evening shift in the
late nurses evening shift ended a nurse in the clinical Decisions unit which like an
overflow area for a and E encountered a spectral figure and ran out of the
room screaming she was on her own and in the department and then the unit
and leaving the unit unattended like that was actually strictly against the rules. Well,
I don't think she's got into trouble over it, because of the circumstances.
There's always got to be least one nurse in that area at all times.
And she reports she sought a spectral humanoid figure in the in the in
the unit, it was like a glowing outline kind of of a of a
human being. And at the time there was actually was a resuscitation on the
resuscitation room. Whether there's a connection there, I don't know, because of
course people are always being resuscitated in that rob that's what it's called a cessation
room. Basically, it's been you get like people been trying. They try
to bring people back from from near death every every day in terms at least
once. And yeah, that busy unit like that, A busy a and
a like that. It's a busy department and it's just sits in with the
experience of other people such as doctor Mitchell Gibson. He was a doctor at
the gold He was doctor of the Goldwall Hospital in New York City, US,
saying, and he would encounter the spirits of patients all the time,
including those that he'd recently sin die and as recently is because seems very along
with being a doctor, he was also he has spontaneous media myistic experiences,
and I think he wrote a couple of books about that. He's done some
interviews about it, which is very interesting. This is the things. So
this this sort of thing is quite a common I mean, there's several other
stories of people who've had out of body experience and near death experience. Of
course is well, it's not that it's not a very recent phenomenon, but
it's recently become a more common phenomenon simple and it usually happens in hospitals.
And then the nd the reason it has become more common is because it's only
since really the nineteen sixties or seventies we've had modern necessitation technology such as defibrillators
and various drugs they can give you. So basically, I mean before that,
basically if your heart stopped, so that's it. He's gone. Good
year, farewell. But now if your heart stops, they can sometimes restart
it. And people who have had their heart restarted after experiencing long periods of
can't in arrest report these incredible experiences. And this is why it's become more
common for that reason. This is the thing that to me, it seems
pretty straightforward to me that if there's no such thing as life after death,
and these people are skeptics say, once you're gone, you've got and that's
it, nothing hambles, then these people shouldn't be coming back from anywhere.
Well, yeah, I mean this is it. They should. I mean,
to be fair, I mean a lot of people do have kaiak ers
and don't experience I think straighta yeah are they wake up later and they're okay.
But there are those that do. Know it's the skeptics are in a
bit of trouble explaining this because a lot of these things happened. We would
think that the brain wouldn't be able to you know, you're not awake now
they are interesting. You're not awaken, you're not asleep. It's not like
having a dream because you know, your brain is your brain is not in
a state when it would be dreaming. Now late, it's been some very
interesting experiments by someone called the doctor Gimo Budgkin. Under her t she and
her team have actually done experiments on coma toast patients and they with the with
the on four coma toast patients with the with the permission of the relatives,
they have put them on too penetrative from electoralis philograms when the doctors quote,
pull the plug on. So this is someone who's in a profound vegetative state
and they're not they're not they're never going to recover. Yeah, so very
usually in the doctor will say, look, we're gonna have to switch them
off because they're not going to get better. They're going to die anyway.
So what they watched this found what this person found out I wrote an article
about this since just a couple of days ago, is that one two of
the four patients there, something remarkable happened. The brain seemed to come to
life. For just about about two hundred seconds or so, the person's brain
seemed to come to life. And this was like at least this was about
thirteen minutes after they'd done and been they've been withdrawn from life support, and
there was very much like a Gamman. THEITA waves in the brain, which
indicates and also set aast the brain lit up, which indicates waking consciousness and
problem solving and things like that. And then then eventually this activity ceased,
and they all brain activities ceased. But there's that. I mean, there's
several ways of looking at this. I mean, I think the materialists and
skeptics will probably they may well interpret it on on on one level, which
is to say, well, this is the smoking gun. This is what
we were looking for a lot. But we told you NDEs are caused by
brain activity, and now we found it out there. Sometimes when people are
in the brain has been hypoxic and is always virtually dead, it does come
to life like that, and that's probably all the end is well that that's
well. Firstly, we don't know the person that's experiencing consciousness. All we
know is there's certain that the air as the brain are mysteriously come into life
at the very very end. Secondly, why does the brain do that that's
the case, Why how does that happen? It's just accidental byproduct of our
of our brains workings. Seems to strange things. There's no evolutional advantage for
that happening. And well, also I'd say that it doesn't explain the end
for several reasons. I think those of us who believe in survival and like
the idea, you know, I think, I don't think we have anything
to worry about when it comes to this new research, because it doesn't,
I think, explain the whole end. It doesn't explain people who've people who
have specific cases, when people have experienced ender ease, when this activity is
not happening. For example, the lady whose name I can't remember, but
she had like her heart will stop delivery so she could have a certain form
of brain surgery. Yeah, because she had a flat eng the whole time.
And there's also there's the qualitative element energies, which is different, and
people describe them, you know this. People don't just describe them as being
like a dream. It's not like, oh it's just like, oh,
yeah, I was awake and I was imagining talking to my grandma and stuff
like that. They describe it firstly, it's very lucid. Secondly, it's
it has enormous emotional power. People will describe it as being more real than
me are real. They describe it almost as being like some platonic ideal of
whatever they are experiencing. So I don't think that Dr boyage Gins work actually
does explain the ND in that sense, if indeed, that is if the
person who I mean, obviously they didn't recover and they can't recover. I
mean, and somebody was somebody actually said to me when I brought because I
wrote an article about this, and so I wrote a comments out and he
say, oh my god, why don't they just resuscitate them then, because
their brains going back? And I said, they can't because the brain is
literally the only thing working at that point, and they can't. The reason
they pulled the plot on them is because else, yeah, everything else that
all the other organs aren't working, you know, the hearts, and the
car doesn't work properly, things like that, and so it's a medical paradox
and why this why this is happening? And well, since she about Dr
Boydge again, I must say, I'm sorry if I'm mispronounced your name.
She's a Chinese Chinese lady. Her previous work was with with with an end
dimetal trip tomine and its effects on the brain, and so she what I
suspect is that she has that some kind of collaboration with doctor Rix Trasman,
who himself has worked close with Graham Hancock and several other researchers. Rickstrassman is
an amazing individual because he came in he wanted to study d MT, DMT
experiments on people's brains and people's visions and uh just simply as a psychological study.
He was a psychiatrist. He didn't believe in anything spiritual. And what
he came out, he came out with an amazing revelation, even though he
knew this was a physiological that the DMT was a physiological effect on the brain.
So in the sense is very similar to what doctor boys And discovered about
the dying patients. It reveals a spiritual reality. So what what he believes
He discovered some kind of a place where spirits and flesh and spirit meets.
In a sense, there is a mechanism or a physiological mechanism which gives us
spiritual experiences. There's no reason why our brains should do that. Does that?
We don't you know, thirteen minutes after your heart has stopped, there's
no evolutionary advantage in you having some kind of your brain lighting up and giving
you some kind of want, some chemical orgy. It doesn't make sense.
Yeah, it's an accidental byproduct of our brain, but it means universal across
all society, isn't it. There's also interesting because like a lot of people
are close to death and not expects to live long. Suddenly, for some
strange reason normally you know, in the last day of their death just prices
them diying. They suddenly sort of rejuvenate a little bit and can sit up
in bed and or talk to people from near death lucidity, and then they
snuff it. Near death lucidity is very very interesting, hasn't it. I
mean it reminds me a bit of that. Obviously, this is just not
near death. This is like they're nearly dead and it's internal lucidity, not
to be Euphenic has written about this about how people suddenly become much more alert
towards the end, and they'll sometimes I asked to say goodbye to people.
They'll also report that they see they'll still say things like, oh, your
granddad's over there. He staying that I got Grandma's dead, don't know he's
standing right around. Yeah. Lore for report in council of angelic figures and
things. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I believe I believe this.
I don't believe that this is the materialist smoking gun. I think this this
just I think it's Yeah. I think it adds to the entire mystery of
the end is and it could be. I think it's as much interest to
a survivalist as to materialists. And but of course there's he brags Alexander who
was a brain I think he still is a brain dol cler, but he
actually had I think he was in a in a COVID his brain was pretty
much destroyed or something, and lot exactly sure on the medical scale where he
was cast as being dead or just in a deep coma or something. But
he's written a book about his adventures on the other side where he actually claimed
that he met his deceased sister. Yeah, whilst he was out in dead
in this coma or something where they were just keeping his body alive. But
he said he shouldn't have actually survived this Husud actually died. No's It's a
very common feature, actually is the is the meeting the dead relatives have the
tone I often begins with an obe typical one begins with an obe, so
out of body experience. You just above your your body looking down there's something
some ends end there, and then you just then then recover consciousness. But
then others then find themselves going up, you know, moving away from that
position to a tunnel of light that goes up to what they got up to
a light, and then they find themselves in what doctor Fenne calls the area,
which is a location. It's often very pleasant, it's often very naturally.
It's like a garden. Some people describe it as being like a garden
with like trees and flowers and birds flying in the trees and things like that.
And that's very often the way you have encounters with relatives who've died and
you appear to be who were Very often they're very they're pleased to see it,
but then they say, it's great to see you, but you're gonna
have to go back. It's not it. This isn't your time. You
have to go back. And then then they regain consciousness and they're back in
our world. This is it really is. It was something that fascinates me,
and I think it should be of interesting. It's in the interest of
all of us to explore this because This is an experience we all are going
to have to face at some point. It's the one certainty of our future,
yeah, is that our physical life on this world will come to an
end and we're going to have to We're going to have to take a leap
into the dark and find out whatever happens next time. It's interesting my mum
when she passed away suddenly, totally unexpectedly in twenty sixteen, she actually passed
away with her naotic aneurism more though we didn't know that at the time.
About ten months later she came back through Varra in a Ouiji board session for
some people that we'd never met before, and we had gone to that house.
We were like extra bums on seats because there'd been a cancellation of a
book in so we were phoned up that morning. Would we be willing to
go along to this session? Totally last minute thing? We thought, oh
yeah, okay, so we took our audio recorder and lo and bauld My
mom came to as one of the last sort of spirits to visit if you
want to call it out, and one of the questions I asked her,
you know, it was obviously shocked that my mum had come through, so
I was kind of pleased, as was of course you can imagine. But
so I said, have you met your mum and badget and she goes,
yes, my mum came and met me, which was very interesting. So
about a year after that, I had a second session with this duo who
was doing Luigi board, and this time I was more prepared because I knew
I was going to go to it, so I felt, right, if
my mom comes through, I got all this kind of scientific questions to ask,
as well as how are you and that kind of stuff. The social
sort of set and I said, when we spoke last time, he said,
your mom came and met you, So what happened? Did you go
through a tunnel of light or anything like that? And she said no,
she goes, my mum was waiting in the core of the room waiting for
me to die sort of thing, and then she took me. So it's
like the dead are waiting there to collect the newly parted lid because they already
know they're going to die and they're waiting to collect them. Now. The
interesting thing as well about my grand who collected my her mum we call her
Grammy Bulb, it's just the same name. She actually died in New Zealand.
She'd emigrated to New Zealand after her husband, my grandfather died maybe three
years earlier, and she decided she wanted a change of life, a new
start, and so she emigrated. She went through the loopholes, emigrated to
New Zealand. Her sister was there, her stepsister was there, so she
started a new life with her. Never ever saw her again, basically because
she died out there after six months had been out there. She had only
been six months out there, but I remember prying prior to her going.
One of my brothers was staying with her to keep her humping, and he
said, Granny Bolb, do you believe on life on other planets? You
know, it's like fourteen at the time or something. And she goes,
no, And I don't believe in life after death either. Three next yeah,
and it's like yeah. So I looked to them, I thought about
that. So it's suddy. She had no belief in life all to death
and she was like, forty plus years later, collecting my mum from the
threshold known as death. Well, if there is I mean, if there
is an after life. I think I think we've got a good reason to
be hopeful. I don't know for certain. I mean, there's no way
to know for certain until he's got to wait till it's your turn. But
I think we've got a good reason to be hopeful. I'm quite I'm quite
positive there is. Then it's something that whether you believe it or not,
you will you will get to enjoy it at some point, hopefully enjoy it
anyway at one point. So if you if you don't believe in it,
when you die soon you say oh, then you'll say, well, do
you believe in it? Your ashing experience, then you'll have to believe in
it. It's funny because there was this skeptic guy who was debating with me
over comments on YouTube, and I was putting some comments to this side keep
person and everyone's saying, oh, the SI shicks are all fake, They're
all milliums are fake, blah blah blah blah. And I said, well,
hang on, have you thought about this, have you considered this?
Blah blah blah blah. And he said, I feel sorry for you because
like when you'll die, you'll you'll find that there'd be nothing and I said,
well, what do you mean, how can I find that? Yeah,
I'm dead sense, you know? And how can you feel sorry for
me? Because if there's nothing and you see that, I'm going to be
disappointed. I can't be disappointed if I exist, that's it. If you
if you feel disappointment, obviously still exist. Yeah, do you realize what
you say? Yeah, that's that's a really odd thing to say. Yeah,
it's a very that's a very odd way to put it. Yeah,
so I've really Richard Dawkins says, I don't feel He says, I don't
fear the I don't fear death at all because for me, my own death
is and is essentially from my position, is a non event because it is
a determination of my existence. Therefore, why should I be afraid of that?
And I won't exist to either fear it or enjoy it or something from
it. I feel sorry for my relatives because they of course will miss me,
and there will be sad people who love me, will be very sad
that I can't, But by myself it will suffer no consequences at all,
any more than the terminity that existed before my birth. So yeah, that's
not saying for a skeptic to sign, Yeah, I mean always say that
I'll always win an argument with a person over whether there's life after death or
not, because the thing is at the end of it, either we're both
dead and so we can't claim to be the winner, or we do survive
the grave and then I can claim to be the winner. There I told
you. I told him, Well, this is is funny because that's sort
of just that sort of thing does happen. There's a guy lo called Paul
David's who have interviewed a couple of times. He's an interesting shop. Actually,
he produced the the Roswell movie in the movie the film, the film
I think it was in the nineties year he made a film, but he
made he made it. He's made another documentary CST and called The Life After
Death Project. And when he Encounter describes his own encounters with the spirit of
his departed friend, whose name was Forrest j Ackman. Now, this is
a guy who supposedly invented the term science fiction. He was a big science
fiction fanatic, and his whole whole house was a museum to sci fi.
He died in twenty sixteen. He was quite old by then and he and
Paul have been good friends for a long time, and Forrest had always been
an atheist and a materialist. He never believed in any form of life after
death. But Paul then something strange happened with Paul. Sometime after after Forrest
died. Paul was he was just working his study and he's got like a
little desk in his bedroom, and he printed something out for work, and
he pulled it out of the printer and he just threw it onto the bed
and he went off and did something and came back later. When he came
back, he found something strange. There was an ink blot on the on
the page which appeared to have been covering up some of the words of a
letter of the word. The phrase was spoke to Joe and Moody, and
an ink blot had covered up one of them, a few of the letters
on that phrase. Now I don't have time to go into detail, but
basically what was left with the ink, with the ink curry it up was
the phrase A phrase which sounds like one of the jokes that Forrest Ackerman used
to tell. He's like verbal jokes. He had his own way of making
their little clips. Where it comes to different words and different phrases, and
Paul said, my goodness, that's a bit of it. Coins Yeah,
that sounds like something that Forest would have told me. And once more,
now what the ink blot? Where did the inkplot come from? It wasn't
on the sheet when he took it out the printer. In fact, Paul
had the ink tested and it actually wasn't the kind of ink you get in
print of Toner anyway. It was some other kind of ink and they couldn't
quite identify what type, right, And he said, is this Forest sending
me a message from the beyond? And then he started looking into it and
he found that other people that had experiences a lot of strange coincidences computers doing
weird things, like strange emojis appearing. One guy was, there's some people
who went to Forrest's grave and they came back and they found the computer did
something very strange. Also, Forest Ackerman's house, which is now a kind
of museum to his life, was people have been their shadow beings have been
reported there and it's as if maybe Forrest did get to the other side.
So, oh wow, Paul's right all along, I'm going to find some
way to tell them. So it's amazing that documentary of Life after Death project.
I'll have to look into that. Yeah, I mean that's one of
those things that I've always professed that when I get to the other side and
are climatized to the new conditions over there, whatever they may be, I
hope I'm not climadvised that I would then find a way of communicating with those
left eye and now the algesst the easy way of communicating. I say easy
way. It might be difficult, but I'm assuming it would be slightly easier
than trying to do things like making marks and eating blots. Would be through
a medium. Uh, And so those around me, for instance, my
wife's my daughter, Probably not my son because he's a little bit skeptical,
but my wife and my daughter would presumably seek out a medium or try and
see one at some point and maybe hope that I could send some messages fire.
Yeah, that's a good idea. I mean, there's several different things
you could do. I mean, I personally would I quite like the idea
of a coded message as well. I mean, Harry Houdini did this.
Houdini actually died very suddenly nineteen twenty six after he got into a fight with
someone who suffered an injury which killed him. But he did actually choose a
coded message which he left with his wife less now And as you probably aware,
heu Deen was a he was a diehard skeptic. Yeah, I mean,
he was kind of the James Randy as of his time. He used
to go around to exposing fakes and things like that and so, but I
mean, it's possible he left. He left the door just slightly a jar
of the possibility that he would experience someone afterlife and if so, he could
find a way to get back. But heemed warning because he knew there was
a lot of fraud and what he perceived as a lot of fraud in them
in the industry's he left a coded message with his wife. Now, and
this is where it gets a bit weird, because if you look at the
various histories of Houdenian his life that have been written in recent times, you'll
learn that that's the best. Even though Best spent the rest of her life
going to various going to various mediums and having told him soundces, she never
received a code of message from Houdini. And you may also been aware that
who did that the Harry Houdiny Fan Club beats every Halloween night, and every
Halloween now they hold a ceremonial Massayans for Harry Houdini. And the thing about
it is that about which is which is interesting, because how Houdini died on
Halloween night, right verry spooky. But I actually came across a so very
very strange. I came across the Reader's Digest Encyclopedia of the Paranormal. So
one of the other porters gave it to me. Actually it was it was
from nineteen eighty three. It was quite old, and in there it actually
would port that Houdini Whodini did get back to best and left the cod and
message. And I wrote an article about this on her Panelo, called the
Houdini Code. And I've just thought, firstly, that's it's interesting that that
exists. And secondly, it's been omitted from recent histories, although strangely enough,
after all this time, you know, I guss for I saw this.
It has been it has been acknowledged in the regional film one that's just
been released called Nandor Fodo and the Talking Mongoose, which is a rather historically
inaccurate film about the Jeff the Talking Mongoose mystery from the Isle of Man,
and so I just thought it was very fussy, very strange that that's all
that that story just disappeared from history. Then it's now come back all of
a sudden in a recent film, and I just think that's very odd.
That's crazy, it's extremely it's extremely crazy to me. This is as weird
as someone's brain coming back to life where they're abut to die. It's so
it's one of those strange things that happens in this world, you know.
So, uh, that suggests to me, then, although who do us
try to expose these fake medians? The very fact that he had decided on
this quarter of action on my wife of code that are relayed from the other
side, it suggests to him that he must have believed in it. He
just hasn't found the right mediums. So he's kind of saying, look,
in the potential possibility that I might survive the grave, I'll give you a
coded message that you know, he assumes it's going to be an easy way
just to get a code message. Immune of course, mediumship it's a very
difficult thing to do and not as easy as people seem to think, I
mean a lot of these skeptics, well, why don't they tell them their
name, address, Why don't they tell them their phone number, or why
don't they say? It's actually very, very difficult. It's the equivalent of
trying to send smoke signals across a mountain. Extremely you know, when when
you've got a Native American on a mount in trying to send a smoke signal,
they can't tell you their bank account number, their phone number, or
how many chortren they might add. They can just maybe give you two puffs
of smoke warning the danger ahead of it. You know, it's a code.
It's like a code exactly. And it's also must say that mediums medium
is very in quality. And I think there's a bit of the Dunning Kruger
effect of mediums because a lot of them, they a lot of them overestimate
their own abilities. And I mean, I don't believe that. You know,
what the skeptics say is they're all fagus or crazy, and that's not
that most of them. I think it's perfectly ordinary people. But they do,
and they a lot of them have a real gift and a lot of
them go to development circles to try and try and make it to to create
skills to improve their abilities, but they still are they still have a limited
I feel they still have a limited ability to interpret messages from the other side.
Well, how it is is that often they're getting in. The most
common form of mediumship is what called clairvoyance, which is ce and the medium
and I know this myself because I do it myself will get impressions sent by
the other side. That's the theory of it. Anyway, I can't say
that's the science of it, but the theory is that the spirits on the
other side will impress you telepathically, and sometimes they can get a feeling across,
or an idea or a thought across. Sometimes I'll show you visual things,
and sometimes it's both at the same things. For instance, last year,
I was doing a demonstration of mediumship here in Weymouth, and there was
a lady there. I never met her before, but I felt drawn to
give her a message, and I was giving us various bits of information or
was being accepted, and in some way I was presented and I visually saw
it as a pair of hands just being held out to me like that,
and I felt the word or the feeling, or I just had a feeling
that something medically wrong was with a pair of hands. Were like either an
injury or something medically wrong with these hands. They weren't quite normal, and
I wasn't quite sure. So you never give it the whole story, but
you're given us a clue. Now I've got to relay this to the person
there's something. So I said, look, I don't know whether this is
yourself or some relatives around you, people you know, but does anyone that
you know has a problem with their hands, whether they've injured their fingers or
had problem with them broken nails. But I feel that I've got pair of
hands and there's something medically wrong with them in some way. And she says,
yes, I can take that. She goes, it's not me.
She goes, it's my brother and my father. And they were the people
that are actually communicating this through me. So I found out. So she
explained to me because I was giving her information but I didn't know who's coming
from. And she said, I think you got my father and my brother
there, And basically she said both her father and her brother both had a
condition, which she said, thankfully hasn't been passed on to me. But
they were both born with their sons and instead of having a normal human thumb,
they've got the equivalent of having a big toe on their hand. I
don't know what it's called scientifically or medically speaking, but they both had it,
and so what I was getting through was actually technically correct. And think
either the father or the brothers coming through and trying to impress upon me this
information. Again, it was something unique to those two people and no one
else, and it would only fit them. And I was getting something there's
metal roll with fingers, and you know someone in your family with that issue.
And she said, yes, it was my father and my brother.
Nay, Yeah, So I thought I was quite quite interesting to get that.
Yeah. Now, again, the father or the brother couldn't give me
their phone number, They couldn't tell me their bank accounts. They might sometimes
they might be able to tell me an area that they've come from. One
of the things I did pick up was that one of them went out on
a fishing trip and I felt so emotionally disturbed on this fishing trip, and
I wanted to say I felt so disturbed. I wanted to say that someone
either drowned or nearly drowned, but I felt I didn't have the confidence to
say that, So all I said was, I feel someone something drastically has
happened on this fish trip to make everyone really emotionally upset, really emotionally upset
on this fishing trip. And she goes, yes, yes, I can
tell that, and she said someone nearly drowned, and thought, Jesus,
I nearly got it. I should have said it, you know. But
there are mediums that are way up the league. They're very far in few
between, but they can get names dates. There was a guy called Ross
Bartlett and he gave me some fantastic information in about seven years ago. Now
he was twenty three at the time, so I put him he's probably about
thirty years old, and now it's a phase young by my standards anyway,
but I've heard good things about him. And Monika and I that's my wife.
We'd gone to Ricelip to see this guy, and we knew he was
in a certain building and we'd seen on the internet the building looked rather like
a medieval old building with black and white beams and things like that. So
he thought, oh, that easy, fine, And when we got there.
We got to the area. There's actually five buildings and they all look
the same and thought, oh, Craig, which fun did we go in?
We're running legs as a traffic so when in the first building, Now
it's not this one is a wedding reception of Wicks color, it's the next
build and we totally diffused about which building, and finally we saw a door
open on one of them, and so we went there and we could hear
a voice and we thought this must be it. We saw quite our voices,
and there was a man in a T shirt there, or a shirt
shirt, and he said, I'll go in and pay your money at the
end, and he was like doing the money on the door. He goes
going, there's some going sit those chairs over there, and you get paid
me the cash. After we said, oh, thank you. So we
went and quietly sort of sat in. We'd only be sitting in there for
five minutes and Ross Barlet at the medium was given a reading to some lady
already, and then as soon as he threw that, lady suddenly turned to
me and he said, I'd like to come to the gentle one, And
on my left I thought, hold blindly. I in't just been here.
I only only got it just late, so I pretty pressed record on my
audio recorder. So it's recorded this this thing. But anyone that wants to
analyze it or even explain it, the skeptics would have trouble explaining this one.
Well, they'd say the fraud and yeah, you might raise research me.
Yeah, but this is when it broke into your house and this went
through your diary. This is very difficult. So basically we've got in this
building and this guy says, go and sit down there. You can pay
me the money afterwards, and we said thank you very much. And then
Ross Bartlett already doing a reading on someone. And after that he literally turned
to me and said, I'd like to come to the gentleman on my left,
and I thought, oh my god, it's me. So I started
recording it. And basically he said, I've got a lady here called Agnes.
And I thought, well, I don't know anyone called Agnes. I
thought he must have the wrong person through him, So I don't don't know
anyone called Agnes. He says, well she knows you, so oh,
here we go. This sounds a bit fishy, so but she said she'd
like to mention Morgan, and I thought, oh, my god, Morgan
is the name of my daughter, and so I sort of sat up,
and I thought, this is a bit interesting. And she likes to visit
Morgan because she loves children or something. And my daughter was quite younger then,
so apparently she spent a lot of time around Morgan as a spirit when
Morgan was growing up and stuff and anyway, so she went on and then
she said, is your brother can you get older your brother? And I
said, well, yeah, kind of. I could probably ring him.
Maybe you might want to ring him, because he just confirmed that he goes
around graveyards. And Agneses wanted to say that she sees your brother Phil,
and that was again, Phil, It's true. My brother Phil goes around
family graveyards to hunt down family members old for art and grays in grave sites
and apparently been to this person's great and so then she said, he said,
oh, I'm not sure about this. He said, hang on a
minute. He goes, Okay, let's go for it. He said,
just see that man over there on the on the door by the door,
in the blue shirt. That was the man that let me in. He
said, you know, go and sit down. I said, yeah.
He said his name is Chris Hayes. And as soon as he has said
that that, oh my god. And he said, they're telling me or
agonist is telling me that Morgan, my daughter, is also connected to Chris
Hayes. And I said, yes, I'd like to confirm that my daughter
has been going out with a guy also called from Chris Hayes. Yeah,
And I thought, oh my god, what is the odds of that guy
being called Chris Hayes. He's coming, said the name of my daughter,
and he said the name of my daughter's boyfriend. And he happens to have
the same name as the guy that let me in, And I thought,
what is that? How could they have done that? And I thought about
this afterwards. I thought, this is presumably why it came to me straight
away. And years he had the energy in his mediumship at that point,
and they had a they had this three pronged attack where they could kind of
say this Chris Hayes name, which was a one and a million chants to
sort of say that, you know. And anyway, I told my mom
this and I played a recording, but we didn't know who this agnis was.
And she was telling my Auntie Sue. My mom has related the whole
experience to my auntist server the phone. Auntie Sue says, well, I
know Auntie who agneses. She goes, that's your auntie Doris. And I
thought, well, I know Auntie Doris. And apparently my auntie Doris.
It wasn't a real name. Apparently her real name was Agnes, as the
reading saying, but she never liked that name, so she called herself via
a middle name, which was Doris. So everyone knew her name is Doris,
and I never knew all these years her name was Agnes. And yet
she's coming through to prove a point. You see something that they couldn't even
look up. So I thought that was a really good example of mediumship.
And if there's a if there's a skeptic out there can explain how it's done,
I'll be interested to hear. I suppose you asked, they give you
would be that this guy must have broken into your house and photocopied your diary
or something, which, of course is that to me is what I call
the clowns day off fallacy. It's and this is the essentially what what what
what's meant by that is that if someone photographs a lockless monster and you skept
and tell a skeptic about it, they'll say, no, that's not that's
a clown with a day from the circus playing a trick on you. And
you do quest what cloud had? You know this clown? Who is it?
Tell me all about him? It says, oh, I don't know
what clown it is. It's just that's more likely. So what the skeptics
doing, essentially, what they've told is that debunking becomes an exercise of the
imagination. You don't have to you can debunk something about any evidence at all.
You simply have to make something up. And it wins by default because
it doesn't involve strange lizards and Scottish locks. And to me, that's and
through some principle the skeptic never explains, but that's that's just wins by default.
And so if a skeptic said that, and then it's firstly, that's
a very serious matter to accuse this guy of a crime of fraud. Firstly
breaking and entering and fraud. It's also the fact that this guy is just
this skeptic has just made something up about this person without no evidence at all.
It just says yeah, but it's it doesn't involve it, it doesn't
involve spirits, so it wins by default. It has to be real.
You have to accept that as real in the absence of any other evidence,
which so I don't accept that. I think that is bad logic. Yeah,
yeah, so, yeah, I mean I was. I think that's
a very remarkable expiraitual. Yeah, I mean it's very rare. You get
medium ship back good and it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. Here's one
in a few thousand. There's some mediums. I mean, there was a
lady I knew called them, Shirley Bolstock. I think it was very she
gave me a very good reading. I will go into details because it's well,
it's a little bit touchy personally, but she she gave she told me
some remarkable things. Yeah, certainly she has she's on the other side herself
now. Unfortunately she she died a few months ago. But yeah, and
there are some really really good mediums and places. Yeah. I mean that
particularly would bolt me over because it was the fact that they could bring these
two names of Chris Hayes together that have Chris Hayes. This this guy who
worked for him. He was the guy that used to drive him around because
Rosting drive at the timeything he does now, but he didn't drive anywhere.
So this guy I was like his driver who were driving to things events and
that and kind of look after him and he would take the money on the
door sort of thing. And people would say, oh, well, you
must have booked your tickets and you know, he knew where you're going to
sit and stuff like that, And that's not the case because I had got
my tickets through a guy who knew me, and he would just reserve some
seats, that's all. And so he didn't have a straw plan of where
anyone was sitting. And also the fact is that how could they logically connect
Chris Hayes. It was with my daughter to Chris Hazers, the guy that's
doing the tickets. I mean, that is a one in a million kind
of weird connection, isn't it? For spooky correction? And the fact is
that they gave that my daughter's name, he gave my brother's name. He
also mentioned about my Welsh grandfather and apparently said my worst grandfather says, carry
on, do the artwork and thought, what happens he Now I do art
work, you know, and people say, oh wul they get a rough
Facebook. But A Agnes was never mentioned on stage book because I didn't even
know the nighbors Agnes. And so there's no way of breaking into my diary
because I remember write about my aunty Doris let alone Agnes. But it was
the fact is that he could have said, oh, I'm picking up a
mystical name of Morgan or anything. That does that mean? And I thought,
well, yeah, it would mean something to me. But to get
the name of Chris Hayes and the fact that this guy was called Chris Hayes
was a blinder for me. Co blinder. So we're going to move on
to another topic. Something I sent you recently and I was quite impressed that
I found this. Actually it's to do with the US Air Force actually commissioning
a study into teleportation that this is unbelievable. I mean, what exactly is
what is that the could it possibly it's not size fishing? What something?
Unfortunly hadn't actually what read all the document you sent me? But what's it
all about? So basically I think this occurred in about two thousand and three
or four, twenty odd years ago they did this, and I don't know
if there's any follow ups to it, but they commissioned this kind of physics
expert who ran his own company called warp Drive Industries or something like that.
Yeah, in appropriate, anim I guess, And he was basically writing about
all the possibilities of teleportation is it possible in present day quantum physics? And
he was basically setting set in the stage for what they currently know about it,
because I guess the Air Force, presumably for some reason why they wanted
to know about it was connected with the UFOs. It wasn't really mentioned.
But why did the Air Force take an interest in teleportation? For starters?
I mean, they're there to do with, you know, flying aircraft,
and why would they want to know about teleportition It seems a bixare thing for
them to commission an investigation into what peaked that curiosity. I one, I
don't know, I mean, it's it's it's a strange cell. Well,
it's an interesting uh, you know, warp warp Drive was a bit of
a that said, the creating name for the gumbix. But you see,
teleportation has been observed believe it or not, on the court in among in
subatolic particles, in other words, quantum physics. So for example, some
of the didn't experiment once where they fired neutrons at an impermeable barrier. In
other words, it was like heavy metal in ned or something I believe or
not. Some of these neutrols actually did they kin'd of put what is what
this scientist said. This was done with Lawren's living all laboratories, the neutrons
could not have passed through the barrier, or more neutrals and would normally pass
through that barrier appeared on the other side in the dating that through the vagaries
of quantum physics, it is possible, actually to teleport from one place to
another. Wrong with all the other weird stuff to do in quantum physics superposition
and things like that, and spooky action at a distance, entanglements and stuff.
But you see, it's a teleports if you just describe it as an
object or something moving from you know, essentially disappearing in one place and reappearing
in another. That can be done through the Einstein Rosen bridge, the wormhole.
And this is what is often used in science fiction to account for to
allow is a plot device essentially to allow people on a spaceship. And indeed
this guy is called warp Drive. This is this company is called warp Drive.
Warp Drive is a plot device from star Trek that allows the starship ended
Price to travel vast different distances in space within the lifetimes of the grand children
of the crew. So WHI wouldn't happen, which wouldn't happen in real life
without that. But the warp drive, that is, the ability to essentially
bypass long distances in space or in short distances in space, exists in theory.
It was worse how, more than one hundred years ago by Albert Einstein
and someone called Rosen. I don't know what the other these other name was,
but they there's a paper published over a century ago in which they describe
how in theory this could happen through these wormholes what's called wormholes. Now there's
there's no there was no practical way of doing this. Indeed, today we
know if we're supposedly certainly on in publicly available silent science, there's no way
of knowing how to create wormholes and actually exist. If they did, it
would be very very interesting but because if if they existed secret, then it
would be very interesting if that secret is declassified, because it would allow for
example, it would it creates a we could create transport systems that were far
superior to any other. It means we could travel vast distances instantly just we
literally stepped through a door, and you could. You could go and visit
your friend in Australia, for exampley just stepping through a little door. But
that's just the start of it. It wouldn't even Australia. The mean distance
would no longer be an object, so you could visit Australia, but would
also visit a distant planet on on on in another galaxy in the same way.
If we could find a practical way to make this work safely and effectively.
And a lot of science fiction horror actually is concerns the use of wormholes
and then going wrong. Something horrible happens when they go wrong. The Dark,
for example, the German TV series Oh yeah about that? Yeah,
So well, if if it's strange, because there's a going called Ashton Forbes,
who's made an astonishing claim we mentioned earlier, the MH three seventy disappearance,
the strange mystery of an aeroplane, and it's an airline that disappeared almost
ten years ago, just vanished into thin air while it was on the journey
between Malaysia and China. He has found a film which appears to show these
strange objects with I thought you call them with this is someone else? Sorry,
I think with these there's a picture. Well, basically these video shows
are an airline. It's a bowing triple seven like MH three seventy. You
can't identify high exactly, flying along and these UFOs are treation. This a
little strange and ovoid white ovoid things. And then three of them suddenly starts
circling this aircraft just an equal distance all the way around it, just going
round it like that as it's flying along. Then there's a flash of light
and everything disappears orbes aircraft, everything and action forbes. He says this is
not extraterrestrial. He believes. He says, this is basically secret government technology
being used to teleport the plane. Where two though exactly, I mean,
I'm sorry, I think the chance to read more of them. Yeah,
the literature you sent me, it's interesting because they talked about stargates, which
is interesting because you think that's the TV series, But the Stargate, the
word stargate is taken in front of some of this scientific research and the towards
the end of it, he was talking about aspects of teleportation in nature,
and so he's used an example where in China, Communist China, they've done
experiments there and they found for some reason, Chinese kids, I don't know
why it's. Chinese kids are all people. They could teleport objects through walls
and this was observed by scientists, credible people, and these kids have the
ability somehow to bring objects current remember what objects they were, you know,
small items from one room to another, and they were doing typical uri gella
stuff ing spoons, that kind of stuff as well. But the other thing
was that they are out of teleport things. They couldn't explain how they did
it. They just knew that it was happening in some strange, weird way.
And why it was children don't know. Maybe maybe they're kind of like
they're easy to locate in that sense, because when when you're an adult and
you're doing a job in China, you perhaps want to suppress these abilities if
you've got them, because you don't want to come to the attention of the
authorities. But somehow children don't realize that sort of stuff, that you should
suppress these things, and they perhaps doing it as fun and people start to
pick up on it. Maybe I don't know that that's my theory behind it.
But so if they knew that, like twenty years ago, what do
they know now that teleportation exactly? I mean, it's it's harshly something that
they're keep they're keeping secrets. They want to use their own private purposes,
like so much else, like free energy, like anti gravity and things like
this. Obviously, if it's it could be you could do a lot of
good with this sort of thing if it was used. I'm in the practical
applications of such technology, if they were allowed to everyone be limitless. I've
already described a few of them. It would revolutionized place space exploration beyond all
beliefs and their transportation and things like that. Oh, it would be used
all kinds of things. And I suppose it could also. I'm sure someone
will think of some way to weaponize it. It could be used to spy
on people. It could be in a in a tyrannical regime. It could
be used as the ultimate in the ultimate surveillance state. Things like that you
can literally have like hidden cameras in everywhere anyway he wants to be, could
teleport them wherever you want. Yeah, yeah, it's very interesting. So
I mean, actually in spiritualism they have a thing called apples, which are
these objects that in seunces, they would be objects that would be teleported by
the spirits that are running the sales and they might take them, say,
I know, there's one example where they take something like a ring or something
like that, or a brooch or something from an Egyptian too, in ancient
Egypt, and they teleported it into the room of this sales somewhere in Britain,
and they typically would fall through the ceiling and just land on the table.
And then Helen Duncan's soundces, similar things happened, and though in other
sunces, I think it was in a skull experiment, a newspaper from the
nineteen forties at the time of Helen Nuncan sort of fell through the ceiling and
it had a news report about Helen Nuncan on this newspaper and they tested it
all out and the paper and the ink well from the nineteen forties. Yeah,
that's an important point because I mean, of course the skep will say,
well, do you just went and got a back copy from the newspaper
off this, because you can't. You can go and order a back copy
of any any addition for a reasonable price, and indeed people do it as
a novelty. You can you can like it. They say, you look
a order newspaper from the they were born and things like this. But it
wi we're printed on fresh paper or using modern printed toner. But this particular,
as you just said, it was printed in a particular kind of ink
which had a lot of tire, and it's which is not made nowadays.
And the reason they use this kind of ink in the Wars because of rash
think. Yeah. Yeah, And of course if it was the original newspaper,
then the paper would have deteriorated. It would have turned bright yellow,
because paper does. Actually, you say, if you've got an old book,
it might look a bit yellow some of the papers. The reason is
because paper can taste a chemical called lignin, which oxidizes when it mixes with
the air. There's a chemical reaction which makes it turn yellow. Yeah,
So that's that I think is a is an important point, so reports I
think that are very very real. And then again, this is the kind
of thing that's when things just a period mid air. This in the case
that's spirit is not spirits, has the ability to influence our world. This
is since he physical mediumship in which spirit actually causes changes in our world of
a supernatural nature, which I think is really uh which again but at this
point the skeptics saying it's all fake, it's all nonsense. I've witnessed this
myself. I witnessed a physical medium called Jason Harrington transfigure himself, transfigure his
own hands, and I mean I do not there's any other explanation for what
he did, his hands, his fingers stretching out, his fingernails turning red.
He was sitching literally about as far away from me as you are,
and I saw his hands do this. That's interesting. I know who you're
talking about because he was called Jay Love as well. I mean he had
another name. He went by another name called Jay Love world wide anyway,
and I'd gone and seen him do a demonstration of doing the same kind of
phenomena in hitching in Hertfordshire and they're black out all the windows as a hall.
I actually saw nothing. I have to be honest, I was sort
of saying, but I saw nothing. He had two in the red lamps
placed on the table, sorry, on the floor in front of him,
and the lamps would be shining up at his face. He had that almost
hammer horror kind of drank it a lot, you know, with the lights
sort of shine on your face. And we'll watched and I could hear people
behind me going, oh wow, look at that. Oh my god,
you know, and I was looking and I was thinking, I can't see
a thing. What's going on? Why can't I see it? And half
way through he sort of said, is there any questions? And so I
said, yeah, can you He was sort of supposed to talking as a
guide by the way, at this voice his spirit regard was saying any questions?
So I said, yeah, can you? Can you bring through anyone?
And he goes, yes, we can try. He says, come
and sit with me, my friend. So I had to go and sit
in front of him, in front of everybody else that was watching. So
I literally had a front row seat literally, and I had to hold his
hands whilst he did this, and he sort of went forward and he says,
I can feel a man coming through, and I thought, oh,
that could be good. Could be my friend that's passed away. Maybe it's
him. I don't know, as I was waiting in anticipation, thinking okay,
come on through, and then he would sort of step forward into light
e Lena's face forward into these two and thrared lights. So the idea was
that I would then see my friend's face or someone's face at least transfigured or
superimposed over his face. But I absolutely saw nothing, and I said I'm
sorry, I can't see anything. So he said I will try again.
So he moved his face out of the light and he goes, we'll try
another time. So he move forward again, and I looked and I could
hear again people behind me going, oh, look at that, look at
that, look at the ears getting bigger. And I was thinking, what,
I can't see a damn thing. And I said, I'm sorry.
You know you feel precious, so pressure to sort of say oh, thank
you very much, else loving, but I thought no, to be honestick
to my guns, I said, I'm sorry, I can't see a thing.
So again he said, we'll try one more time, my friend,
and he moved his head out the lights like this, and then he moved
it one more time back in. So this is the third time he's moving
his face in the light. I said, sorry, can't see a thing.
So she then said the lady that had organized this, Jeannette or where
he says Jeannette, make sure our friend gets a full refund. That probably,
yeah, but I'm still with the money. You're a world only twenty
quid. Oh, I obvious said they didn't tell Jason himself, the one
that the channeling. Yeah, that's right. They forgot to wake him out
and tell him that. Yeah. Yeah, but now Dart worry Jason,
if you're watching, I'm not gonna has through you for the cat. But
I just was being honest. I saw nothing, but then you had a
positive I do yes, and Jason allowed me. He didn't charge me,
actually because I don't interview Jean Skinner and she was very appreciative of Jean Skinner
is actually a transfiguration medium from the Northeast. Yeah, she passed away a
couple of months after our interviews. Yeah. Quite. She's pretty good lady.
But she was this Jordy lady who lived a slight somewhere north of Newcastle
in the Northumberland. Yeah, and she's done some photographs of some of the
transfigurations she did, which includes facial changes. Yeah, he said she an
EXTI plastering mask and hand changes and things like that. Answer. Apparently,
transfigure transfiguration has happened to me many many years ago. I was experimentally chanting
and my girlfriend at the time was a medium, and she was sort of
basically watching me at the end of the bed. I was sitting on the
bed and I had one I think she had a torch, that's right,
and she was bringing the set of questions that I'd pre for bed. Can
you ask this spirit guide who I apparently got coming through? And I was
sort of chanting his voice, and she said that she saw this sort of
missed around my face. So she put her hand over the torch to try
and see clearly because it was sort of like distracting a little bit. And
she said she saw the face of this Victorian gentleman completely sideboards talking over my
face, and every time my mouth opened, his mouth opened in synchronization like
I was wearing a mask. I was totally unaware of that, but that's
what I was told happened. Wow, yeah, yeah, I mean I
said it could have been Elvis. I was all sugar can interesting experience and
they're talking, we're took one little last thing we're talking about and then well
we'll wrap this up. And there was another medium from the Northeast. I
think it was Cotton them exactly where somewhere and where is it that they do
it? Truth? Because the Northeast? Yeah, oh on Wolve's end.
Yeah, but what's the actual beat city that is in Newcastle? Newcastle that
was in around one time? Yeah, one tign Yeah, or he might
have come from Burham, I'm not sure which. There's a guy called Hunter
Selkirk who was basically a medium in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and he
had an uncanny ability at mediumship. He's a very humble man by all accounts,
and I never met him. I found only one thing on the newspaper,
a cut in about where he gave some actual information at spiritist shows.
But he was a very good physical medium. Otherwords, he could go into
trance and produce this phenomena of that ectoplasm would come out of him and form
into physical beings a spirits. And there's one time he actually said to some
people that were with him, and they just he said, oh, we
try some table to tell him, and they said, oh yeah. So
they literally got the table, they pulled it into the middle of the room,
and instantly, without any sort of like further movement or action or anything
like that, Hunter sell Kok just suddenly what slumped into trance. And the
people that were standing there witnessed this ectoplasm come out of his nose and get
sort of start to form into two sort of small masses on the table that
they'd put in the room. And these masses grew into about a foot high
each figures, and they became solid white figures of people, but only a
feet high. And they're both dressed in Elizabethan costumes on one was a man
and one was a lady. So both and Elizabethan man and Elizabethan lady as
fully materialized figures, but only about a foot high age. And they turned
and bowed to each other. And then they turned and bowed to the men
that were witnessing them, like very politely, and they said they could see
the lace on their wrists and collars. They could there are calls and everything
in full detail, but completely white. And then they just deep, deep
melted back down, and then the ati went back into hunter Selkok's no,
and he woke up and he goes, oh, has anything happened? Did
I miss anything? He's completely unaware it happened. That's it. That's a
very typical manifestation medium experience, and it's it's actually very rare, but it
can be done. There's only a handful of people who have that ability in
the world. Helen Duncan's actually considered one of the most powerful ever. Yeah,
but some others, for example Victor and Wendy's amates, have explored the
manifestation mediums and they do exist. And this is where literally they can conjure
up ghosts out of nowhere. And I mean the skeptics say it's all fake
and they're using cheese cloth. They're they're good taking cheese cloth, which is
it's just all I mean. I've never tried that. I wouldn't have.
Don't tried at home, for goodness sake, You'll probably kill yourself. But
they will say this is what's how it's done. I don't believe that myself,
and I find these stories incredibly skept It's always the experts on how it's
done. But they don't actually go to these sous is to actually cry and
investigate themselves. But they tell you how it's all done. Yeah, they'll
say that. They'll say, well it's gain. They use a lot of
Cloudsdale fallacies. I mean, they had the whole Harry price and they're regogitating
cheese cloth that is, that's essentially he claims to have gathered a specimen of
it. I don't believe him. I think it's another Cloudsdale fallacy. And
then of course all mediumship they always say they get this information from Facebook or
anything like that, and so well we led to believe them that mediumship only
began when Facebook began. It goes back to the ancient world. And I
mean, in fact, there's reports of soothsayers of me and Millennia only had
two thousand years ago and things like that, and it goes back into Sharmans
of prehistory. So yeah, it's a perennial it's a perennial experience that we
humans have had since right. I think we're wrapping this up now, Ben,
So we're talking and jarring in the first twenty twenty four so before we
wrap up as a conclusion, what's your things that you've got lined up for
this year, and also watch your oats this year. As far as the
UFO disclosure in well, obviously they'll release more information about the aliens. And
I don't know. I don't know about prediction, because you see, I
predicted everything that's happened this in twenty twenty three, which was essentially what I
would call it, the year of the UFO. Almost it's the most exciting
euthological here and history, in the uthological year of history. It's almost like
it's almost like the Toll twenty seventeenthenomenon coming home to roost in a sense.
But so I wouldn't want to make a prediction. I can hope what's going
to happen. There will be more of that and we'll get closer and closer
to more and more admissions. Of course, the Schumer amendmand has been essentially
amended, which and again it's been it's been altered to remove some of the
most important clauses to do with the presidential oversight and indeed the eminent domain,
which is bad. I mean it's bad on one level because it means that
Congress now no longer has the ability that they did with the original amendments to
pressure private companies into into giving information and give it. I assuming remember,
it is amazing. It contained all these words which we never thought we'd see
in official government documentation, which tends to be very very nebulous and full of
sort of vagaries. This actually says work uses words like non human intelligence,
extra trestrials, technology and things like this, or non human technology and things
and words like that. Well, the good the good thing about it is
that I think the very fact that the two Mics, as they become known,
these are the Congress people who have behind this this revision, who had
their campaigns actually funded by these first companies. Because of what they've done,
no one is now talking about there being no non human intelligence involved. No
one is now talking about it all being some great, big delusion. I
mean, the skeptic lineup till now has been well, Congress has simply been
carried away with a folly and the whole David Grusht and the other witnesses this,
this is just Congress losing their minds and starting to believe crazy stuff.
Now one's talking like that now, because if this crazy stuff didn't exist,
the two mics would not have done what they did. They wouldn't bother go
to all the trouble to me and you know, altering an amendment for something
that wasn't real. Why not just let it get let them go on with
that. We got nothing to hide, you know, and you see what
I mean. So I'm hoping more of that will come out this year.
I'm hoping there's going to be some elections this year, so politics might hopefully
there may be some interesting development in politics. We don't know yet. It's
there's so much unpredictable, so much, so many things in the past I
didn't predict has happened. So I'm not going to go too far out on
a limbit on this. On a personal level, I want to try and
read more. I want to try read more books and because I've been I
think I've been maybe neglecting that. So I'd like to because I've got a
lot of the books I haven't read yet and i'd like to read them.
I like to do reviews of them, possibly on a PANELATIV you or Pamela
Voice, And that would be my that would be my next That's my personal
New Year's resolution. Yeah, Coru cool all right, well, I think
we'll wrap this up. I'd like say to everyone thanks for watching and thanks
for Ben for joining us. I think this is going to go on Ben's
program and also The Paranormal Preacher at some point, so we'd like to wish
everyone, both of us from Ben and I are very happy New Year and
wish you all the best for twenty twenty four. Cheerio, Cheerio, Happy
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