1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,519 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:01:06,920 Peep Show. Hi, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show for twenty twenty four, 3 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,480 the very first edition in January. Well, today's edition is slightly different 4 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,200 from previous shows. It's just me and my Todd. I'm actually joined this 5 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,040 time by Ben ellen Jones, our regular guest, but he actually paid a 6 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:22,920 visit to me here in Dorset, so we did an interview in my summer 7 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:29,359 house. So enjoy the show. Hello there, good evening. It is 8 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,519 New Year's Day, twenty twenty four, Hoping Year and Neil Happy in the 9 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,680 Year event. I'm Ben Emlin Joel's I'm here with Neil Wards. Yes, 10 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,599 thank you for coming down to Weymouth Endorse event. So you arrived on New 11 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:49,560 Year's Eve and this morning we went out to the island of Portland. The 12 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:52,799 weather's now overcast, is a little bit rainy here and it's starting to get 13 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:57,560 dark. But we've set up a small studio here in the summerhouse. I 14 00:01:57,599 --> 00:02:00,560 know, winter, but that's what it's called mouse. So we're going to 15 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:07,439 do a small interview here and just talk about things parallel subjects, social subjects, 16 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,159 anything that comes to mind. Really, So Ben, you've been to 17 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:13,840 Portland before, and yes, I'm okay, we came. I came in 18 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,439 July and now and we had this last year now, yeah, and we 19 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:21,479 had a lovely time. And I'll put a link in the description box of 20 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:28,520 the video to one my copy to our preview. Yeah, iventure and it 21 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,960 was I spoke at the Dose Earth Mistress group and we went went in the 22 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:38,439 nice warm weather. We went up to the top of Portland Peninsula and it 23 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,400 was very very nice. It's just the weather works so good. But we 24 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:46,120 still had a good child if we saw a farm full of wallabees and very 25 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:50,280 unexpected, yes, and it was. It was a very antipothy weather. 26 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:52,719 I must say, you want don to bar we down the beach made today. 27 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:55,719 But we did go to Portland Bill, you know, the famous lighthouse, 28 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,960 and overcome my fear of heights and I gritting my teeth and I didn't 29 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:05,840 chick it out at this time. So regular View was really proud of me 30 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,639 because when I went to the South Shields Lighthouse, I did and I'm very 31 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:14,360 ashamed of myself for chicken out. So but it was really really cool it 32 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,159 was. It was a really good time. We also when looking for the 33 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:20,120 Bibby Stockholm barge, which is a bit sort of a not famous so much 34 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:27,240 as infamous. Bibby Stockholm of course is a did some switch off there went 35 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:34,280 dark? So ghost that's that all right? There it goes again. It 36 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,199 is because it's the battery connect on. Were leaning right? Oh there you 37 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,599 going on? That's what it does, okay, okay, yeah, the 38 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,919 Bobby stock is a is a barge. Well, it's it's called a bar. 39 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:49,280 It's actually just like a pontoon with them with a couple of buildings on 40 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,919 top of it. Early. No, it doesn't have an engine or any 41 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:55,400 it doesn't have any proposal system or steering. It's it's literally just that it's 42 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,680 like a floating ill accommodation. Yeah. Sorry. Initially designed to the oil 43 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:06,000 industry for people working on platforms and the thing. It was designed for workers 44 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,840 in the oil rig industry to out somewhere at stay when they're presumably a shift 45 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:15,040 or some Yeah, it's been adapted full use for the government to house some 46 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:20,000 illegal migrants. Well they call the migrants in wasting or or what I call 47 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:25,560 migrants having their claims process they have various euphemisms for them, but yeah, 48 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,120 they are. It's been used to cumminate five hundred of them, which is 49 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,560 a bit silly really because when it does, are how many of these particular 50 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,920 migrants there are? A bar full of five hundred people is just to drop 51 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,439 in the ocean. It's nothing. It's the equivalent number of people probably arrive 52 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,519 in the country every day claiming asylum. And so I think what I suspect 53 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,199 is some kind of publicity stunts, and it is. Well, it's been 54 00:04:51,319 --> 00:04:57,079 already been closed once because they found a lesion. They found a legionarium in 55 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,959 the water supply, which can cause a deadly disease. You have to test 56 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,480 water for it. I think they've got about thirty bi blod and now they're 57 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:10,439 helping to fill up five hundred of os. But what do you think it 58 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,079 is? Because I'm on this whole lot of publicity, so I don't think 59 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,639 it's really justified. Ironically, all that's had a lot of puplicity and everyone 60 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:19,199 seems to know about it. It's very difficult to get to because it's sort 61 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:23,560 of tuck around at the harbor of Portland. When you drive so far down 62 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,040 the road where it's indicated to be, but then you hit a security baron 63 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:29,319 you can't go further than that. So any kind of reports that I've seen 64 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:31,079 must have gone through the security bower. They must have permission to film there, 65 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,519 which obviously haven't, so we can't get there. We thought we might 66 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:39,360 get a shot from it from a long distance, but unbelievably, nowhere on 67 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,800 the Portland Peninsula, even though that includes things which is very high cliffs and 68 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,199 things like that, and then the hills that look down onto the town itself 69 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:50,720 and the Portland Port itself, there's nowhere where you actually have a line of 70 00:05:50,759 --> 00:05:57,920 sign towards the Bibby stock Holm barge, which is really strange because it's also 71 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,000 like they deliberately mordered in a location where cannot be seen from anywhere except, 72 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:04,959 as I say, from inside the security corder and Portland Port. Yeah, 73 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:08,680 I don't know why they think with what that is, just do they think 74 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,800 we're going to hit it with a more of a security bran? Yeah, 75 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,519 you know, it's seeing it's a strategic place to put it and it keeps 76 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,079 people, protesters away or whoever degrees with it away from there, and whereas 77 00:06:20,519 --> 00:06:25,639 in all these other places there's there's been hotels that they've got security guards outside 78 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,079 hotels where they've got all these immigrants migrants where we want to call them. 79 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,720 And so this is I think it's the first time they actually put these people 80 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:36,639 on a floating platform, and I think the idea is they want to try 81 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,560 a few of them up and down the country in various ports, but this 82 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,800 is probably the first one and they sort of literally test in the war with 83 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,360 it. Yeah, it's has attracted protesters who've been protesting against the government policy. 84 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,839 And interestingly the protesters actually are also they're not just protesting against the government, 85 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,720 they're protesting against each other because there are two main camps. One camp 86 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,839 is saying that the government should be i musically with pattering all these people to 87 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:03,160 wherever they came from. The other side is saying that they should be allowed 88 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:06,839 off the barge, have their claims processed immediately, and be allowed to wander 89 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:12,160 free in the population. So obviously he's have two the two opposing interests or 90 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,360 work here. And also the other thing that's been in the news recently only 91 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,199 in the last sort of month of December, which who just left me how 92 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:24,600 we're jarring at first it was a time of recording that there was one guy 93 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,519 from from the bib Stock com I think it's a twenty seven year old guy. 94 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,800 He committed suicide. I think there's an inquest got to be held into. 95 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:36,199 But it looks like he probably hung himself in the gase. So I 96 00:07:36,199 --> 00:07:41,839 don't know what whether he's being threatened to be sent home or sent onto somewhere 97 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:44,560 else. I don't know the ins and outs of that, unfortunately, but 98 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:48,160 he obviously found it too stressful, you know, sad, sad for him, 99 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,720 unfortunately. Absolutely, I mean I'm absolutely, I'm not I'm on this 100 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,639 obviously. I'm on the side of the people who say that these people shouldn't 101 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:59,680 be he it should be repatriated. Yeah, I feel no, I feel 102 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,319 no se fashion. Hearing that someone ended their life on board that ship at 103 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:05,360 all, on monstable, that barge at all, a ship, I think 104 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,759 that's a very that's a great tragedy. Yes, definitely, so condolers to 105 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,279 his loved ones. Watch it now. Obviously this is a in the history 106 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:16,920 of this is very very young in the sense of what it is. There's 107 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:20,560 a building, but how long they plan to have it for I don't know. 108 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:24,720 But whilst we was at the lighthouse, the portable lighthouse. I was 109 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:28,079 very interested to find out that the guide that took us around happened to mention 110 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:33,559 about that people seeing things of a spooking nature there ghosts or felt presences, 111 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,759 an't they? Yes, this is this is a very It's a lighthouse that 112 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,639 was built in nine five. There's an older light house further along the coast, 113 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 just a few hundred as further up the coast, it is no longer 114 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,879 in use. And the lady who she was interesting lady. She had a 115 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:52,120 strange accent which I couldn't identify it first, I thought I heard that someone 116 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:56,159 before and there is a news radio calls that there's a news reader called Lee's 117 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,799 Duchett also has it. It's actually Eastern Canadian for the area around in New 118 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,320 Brunswick. But she, yeah, she was a nice lady, and she 119 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,200 was very supportive of me because I was suffering from terrible vertigo. But she 120 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,120 sort of like noticed immediately and was very supportive of me. But I'm pleased 121 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,120 to say that I gripped in my teeth and I didn't chick it out this 122 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,000 time. And regular regular viewers will be proud of me because they know I 123 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,919 did do that at the south Shield Lighthouse. I have felt a bit embarrassed 124 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:26,559 about that, so as it's the first time I buried those ghosts. Yeah, 125 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,919 it's a coin a phrase. Yeah, that was the first time I've 126 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:33,320 actually been up a lighthouse setting very instant. It was too to sick. 127 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,519 There's a modern light now, and they used old fashioned lights. They used 128 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,240 to have oil lamps and now the powerful electric lamps, and they now have 129 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:45,519 LED's. They used to have like incandescent filaments and they have LEDs. But 130 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:50,960 I like all old buildings, and there is there's a lot of them to 131 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:56,879 attract spirits of various kinds. Lighthouses have a spooky reputation, probably because they're 132 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,000 very often in remote areas. And indeed, there's a film called The Lighthouse. 133 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,679 It's not actually seen, and I've seen a few clips of it. 134 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:09,840 It looks like some kind of supernateral psychological thriller set on a remote on an 135 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:15,240 island, a remote island lighthouse sometime in the nineteenth century, where you sometimes 136 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,399 get two, three, sometimes four men who would be literally isolated from the 137 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:24,960 entire world, sometimes several months at a time, maintaining the lighthouse. This 138 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,720 was the day before there was any form of communication, electronic communication, so 139 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,759 you literally wouldn't know what's going on. You might as well be our desert 140 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,639 island. You're telling me about a story about a lighthouse in Scotland where it 141 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,440 was abandoned and people's found they couldn't understand where they're gone. This is very 142 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:45,039 strange. This is the flann And Island mystery. And indeed there's very good 143 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:48,200 bedtime story the video make about this. This took place, I believe in 144 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:56,000 Yeah, the Flannel Islands mystery is happened. It's something that happened in nineteen 145 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,320 hundreds. The flann And Islands are a remote archipelago off the coast of western 146 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,039 Scotland, and there was the usual thing. There was a lighthouse there, 147 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,840 manned by it with three lighthouse keepers whose job was to stay there for a 148 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:11,399 number of probably for several months at a time, just maintaining that light. 149 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,000 This was in the days before there were any form of electronic communication. Were 150 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:20,200 not just in terms of themselves could you call your phone in home and things 151 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:24,320 like this, this is in terms of ship navigation. Their ships literally had 152 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,679 nothing but the lighthouses, and for instance, to get a bearing sometimes and 153 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:31,120 there was the lighthouse was there to walk to basically to help the ships navigate 154 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,399 few channels where there might be houseless rocks and things like this. So it's 155 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:37,600 absolutely essential there's light kept work. In other ways the ships might get shipwrecked. 156 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,080 One day a ship was passing luckily in goodwall and they had plenty of 157 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:48,639 visibility, and they noticed that the light wasn't on, and so a ship. 158 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,600 Then this was in December nineteen hundred. When they got to the port, 159 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:56,799 they reported this in the middle of the lighthouse. The lighthouse authorities sent 160 00:11:56,879 --> 00:11:58,679 out a boat. As I said, there was no way to phone these 161 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,360 people radio with them. They sent a boat out to check everything was okay. 162 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:05,919 When they arrived at the lighthouse, they found something very strange. Everything 163 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:09,320 appeared normal. There was no sign of any struggle, no sign. There 164 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,799 was no fire in the lighthouse. There was no disaster. There had been 165 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,159 no shipwrecks, have no storms. Everything was in good working order. The 166 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,000 light was off because they hadn't been refueled for a number of and for a 167 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:24,600 number of hours, had to be refueled every few hours. No sign of 168 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:28,120 any of the three lighthouse keepers. They were just gone, and it was 169 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,679 weird because everything looked normal. They'd been sitting down, look like they'd been 170 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,080 sitting avute to meal, and their plates were still there. The log book 171 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:39,440 was open on the desk, and then the last entry had been a few 172 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:45,000 days earlier, and there was no sign a chair and knocked over. That 173 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,240 was the chair been knocked over, if I remember rightly. Apart from that, 174 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:52,360 there was literally no sign of any trouble, no sign of any problems. 175 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,639 The men had just disappeared, and the authorities went't have to look around 176 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,480 and they found no bodies anywhere. They'd say the weather had been pleasants, 177 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,399 there have been no storms, and there's no reasons think they'd be washing into 178 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:05,639 the sea or anything like that. Because the ex sometimes used to go out 179 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:07,759 for walks along the coast when they're opportunity, because he worked in shifts. 180 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:13,279 Younu. It's a mystery to this day, these these these men never reappeared. 181 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,720 It's extremely odd, indeed, and it's an early example of one of 182 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:20,440 these mysterious disappearance stories. I mean there are earlier ones, but this is 183 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,840 before you know, this sort of thing was popular, and uh yeah, 184 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:28,600 I mean what happened to those guys. Hard to say, tie hundred and 185 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,639 twenty four years, it's hardest to know. We well, we're ever going 186 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,840 to find out. All they've been all kind of rumors and various conspiracy theories 187 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:43,159 and also obviously the background of the of the lighthouse keepers have gone into stories 188 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:50,960 about you know, mysterious mysterious connections to smugglers and pirates, secret stashes of 189 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,559 gold bits on the side which they're with, you know, with love triangles 190 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,519 and things like that, or these always happen, and one of these, 191 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:03,240 one of these mysterious incidents happens. You always get that, You always get 192 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:09,480 that most rational things before he come up with anything parental and most people would 193 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,960 sort of judged to them sort of Bermuda Triangle thing. But this is in 194 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,720 Scotland, nowhere near the Bermuda Triangle. No, so yeah, I mean, 195 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:18,480 what's more, I think that I must say have been reviewed to trial. 196 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,679 There is probably something of a distraction. It's getting more ship disappearances there, 197 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,600 because that's just there's lots of sea lanes in that area. Yeah, 198 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,840 so statistically going to get more ship disappearances. But ships do mysteriously disappear. 199 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,960 The sailors disappear and the marriage Celeste is another good example. This is from 200 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,519 the ageen seventies where shipper was found drifting close to the resorts. It was 201 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:43,159 a transatlantic cargo ship and when it was just found simply a drift at sea 202 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,639 and no one it didn't hand turned up, but it's harbor when he's supposed 203 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:48,279 to. And everyone thought in those days, savag at me has probably been 204 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,120 lost. The ship turns up, they found that ship's in good work in 205 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,399 order, there's no damage to it, and it's not noticed. It's obviously 206 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,360 not been harmed by storm. But they thought, oh my god, the 207 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:01,080 pirates have got her, and because but there was no one on board the 208 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,679 ship, and they thought the pirates had got so but no sign of any 209 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:09,080 struggle, no sign of any mayhem, no dead bodies, and the cargo 210 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,720 was still on board the ship and cargo. The ship was carrying a cargo 211 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:16,559 of whiskey from Canada to mostly Canadian whiskey to Europe, which on the you 212 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:18,919 know, on the bootleg market, would have been worth a hell of a 213 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:24,000 lot of money. And any pirates then the motor for a pirates boarding the 214 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,879 ship would be to steal a cargo. Pire is usually what they would do 215 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,480 is they'd board the ship, they'd kill the crew, and they just steal 216 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:33,399 cargo and put it on their own ship and then got sell it for a 217 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,200 lot of money. That hadn't happened. Also, as with the flannel lining 218 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,720 and mysteries, everything seemed in good working order. There's plenty of rations. 219 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:43,159 They hand run out of food, there's plenty of fresh water on board. 220 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,240 The crew, you know, all the crew belongings were still there. They 221 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,919 looked like this. They just sort of like we've been walking. They just 222 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,080 got up and they walked out. They found the lifeboat was missing. They 223 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:58,960 got into the lifeboat and obviously left the ship. But why there's and again 224 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,600 there's the usual sort of thing. Everything from all kinds of theories have been 225 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:07,600 proposed to get the Usually it's the usual things, smugglers, pirates, you 226 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:14,000 know, various collaborations, you know, homosexual jealousy, you name it. 227 00:16:12,879 --> 00:16:17,279 It's been suggested. None of it makes any sense. You know, all 228 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:22,320 the researchers have gone into the wives, the partners, the fathers, mothers, 229 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,240 grandfathers, and every social connection every crew memberd But there's nothing to suggest 230 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:30,559 as with Captain Sharp of the of the Malaysian Hours three seventy plane. There's 231 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:34,240 nothing actually to suggest there in any way connected to I think dodging. So 232 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,679 yeah, it's another big mystery that is incredible, incredible. I suppose it 233 00:16:38,679 --> 00:16:41,120 would be good to I mean, no one's perhaps suggested it, but it 234 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:45,840 would be good to bring mediums or psychics into this and see if they could 235 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,559 pick up any information concerning the fate of those people. Definitely, yeah, 236 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:52,320 I mean it's I mean, I think there have been several ghost hunts in 237 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,440 the area. In the Saturnlinland light houses. It's a it's a now disused, 238 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,399 it's it's it's not it's actually got an automatic light now. A lot 239 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,720 of vice houses has got automatic. But I mean there's kind of I think 240 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,039 there's some kind of museum now and tourists go there. A lot of them 241 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,799 just go there because of this mystery. Yeah, and so you can actually 242 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,880 visit the fan Lin's lightshouse. From getting back to the Porland line House. 243 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,119 Susie our guy did say that one of the most skeptical people that worked for 244 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,119 the team there has actually experienced the most sort of phenomena of anything of a 245 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,599 haunted mystery nature at least, So I asked her, what sort of things 246 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,920 is this person picking up? And she goes, oh, she's felt people 247 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,720 touch her, she's heard noises in the lighthouse when she's alone by herself, 248 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:38,799 she's seeing sort of things. She didn't really elaborate on what sort of things 249 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:41,599 she had seen. I would I love to have spoke into the witness themselves 250 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:45,319 to try and get to the bottom of it. But it's not a sort 251 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,039 of thing you have to think of about Haunted Lighthouse. It's really and I'm 252 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:52,039 not never really heard much reputation of it being a wired lif I mean, 253 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:55,079 most people go there as a tourist thing, but it's because we were interesting 254 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,960 that sort of thing. I just thought made a point of asking, and 255 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:03,039 so she answered. And it wouldn't surprise me. With getting back to Biby 256 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:07,119 Stockholm, as I said, it's a new kind of vessel there, so 257 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,720 I really got much of a history. But with the unfortunate guy that killed 258 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:17,519 himself, I wouldn't surprise me that people might start recording strange that as a 259 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:22,640 result of that god his soul is still there, or something energy or something 260 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:29,160 becausing Yeah, I mean it's it's sure to know. I mean the the 261 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:33,279 ghostly, ghostly phenomena tend to be associated with whether no one knows exactly what 262 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:37,279 they are. They may even be more than one phenomenon that we genetically charac 263 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:42,559 generically categorized together. But they often associated with deaths of ore in anguish or 264 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:51,079 pain and a violence or yeah, it's and and fear which wanted a suicide 265 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,720 definitely would be included there. That's why this is why hospitals are often haunted, 266 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,920 because there is a lot of pain and anguish and fear in them. 267 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:06,319 Battlefields things like that, and prisons, these places are often haunted. And 268 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,680 lighthouses, I mean that what you get lighthouse, I suppose there's a lot 269 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,960 of loneliness. I mean, not so much poorland because it's it's like in 270 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,039 a civilized area, but in place like the Flannel Islands, there'll be a 271 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:18,079 lot. I mean. There's a film I've never seen actually called The Lighthouse. 272 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:23,359 It's got Widhem Dafoe and Robert Pallison in it. It's quite a recent 273 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:29,079 film. Again, it's set in the nineteenth century on our remote island lighthouse 274 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,759 and these two for when I gathered from watching a few clips. The two 275 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,799 men become they start behaving differently, and they start to experience some kind of 276 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:41,119 vision associated with the light at the top of the at the top of the 277 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,920 house, of the top lights at the top of the tower, which they 278 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,759 have to maintain. And I'm curiush to see it was actually filmed on a 279 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:52,160 lighthouse, i think off the coast of Ireland. I'm curious to see this 280 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,079 film at some point. It'll be interesting to watch. I think it's Netflix. 281 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,599 I started to ship, but now I finished it. Like a lot 282 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,160 of things in Etflix. Yeah, it's easy to go through and down in 283 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,640 the Netflix rabbit hole. When you mentioned briefly about your hospital poring and you 284 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:11,480 said, I can recall a story where someone on your previous shift, when 285 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:14,960 you were coming in on the night shift or something, a nurse or something 286 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,200 could see something in a room or something. Yeah, So this was when 287 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:22,680 I was on a night shift, and I actually cha, I was on 288 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:26,200 duty the A and E Department and I claim on duty and what this happened 289 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:30,680 maybe an hour and a half earlier, just before the evening shift in the 290 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:36,279 late nurses evening shift ended a nurse in the clinical Decisions unit which like an 291 00:20:36,279 --> 00:20:41,079 overflow area for a and E encountered a spectral figure and ran out of the 292 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,119 room screaming she was on her own and in the department and then the unit 293 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,200 and leaving the unit unattended like that was actually strictly against the rules. Well, 294 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,799 I don't think she's got into trouble over it, because of the circumstances. 295 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:56,000 There's always got to be least one nurse in that area at all times. 296 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:03,559 And she reports she sought a spectral humanoid figure in the in the in 297 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:06,759 the unit, it was like a glowing outline kind of of a of a 298 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:10,240 human being. And at the time there was actually was a resuscitation on the 299 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,200 resuscitation room. Whether there's a connection there, I don't know, because of 300 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,160 course people are always being resuscitated in that rob that's what it's called a cessation 301 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:21,400 room. Basically, it's been you get like people been trying. They try 302 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:26,440 to bring people back from from near death every every day in terms at least 303 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,279 once. And yeah, that busy unit like that, A busy a and 304 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,759 a like that. It's a busy department and it's just sits in with the 305 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:37,119 experience of other people such as doctor Mitchell Gibson. He was a doctor at 306 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,680 the gold He was doctor of the Goldwall Hospital in New York City, US, 307 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:45,680 saying, and he would encounter the spirits of patients all the time, 308 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,960 including those that he'd recently sin die and as recently is because seems very along 309 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,000 with being a doctor, he was also he has spontaneous media myistic experiences, 310 00:21:57,319 --> 00:22:00,640 and I think he wrote a couple of books about that. He's done some 311 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,599 interviews about it, which is very interesting. This is the things. So 312 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,519 this this sort of thing is quite a common I mean, there's several other 313 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:11,279 stories of people who've had out of body experience and near death experience. Of 314 00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:15,319 course is well, it's not that it's not a very recent phenomenon, but 315 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,640 it's recently become a more common phenomenon simple and it usually happens in hospitals. 316 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:25,599 And then the nd the reason it has become more common is because it's only 317 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,359 since really the nineteen sixties or seventies we've had modern necessitation technology such as defibrillators 318 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,759 and various drugs they can give you. So basically, I mean before that, 319 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,279 basically if your heart stopped, so that's it. He's gone. Good 320 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,960 year, farewell. But now if your heart stops, they can sometimes restart 321 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,599 it. And people who have had their heart restarted after experiencing long periods of 322 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:52,279 can't in arrest report these incredible experiences. And this is why it's become more 323 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:56,880 common for that reason. This is the thing that to me, it seems 324 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,920 pretty straightforward to me that if there's no such thing as life after death, 325 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,200 and these people are skeptics say, once you're gone, you've got and that's 326 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,880 it, nothing hambles, then these people shouldn't be coming back from anywhere. 327 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:10,880 Well, yeah, I mean this is it. They should. I mean, 328 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:12,200 to be fair, I mean a lot of people do have kaiak ers 329 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:15,720 and don't experience I think straighta yeah are they wake up later and they're okay. 330 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,440 But there are those that do. Know it's the skeptics are in a 331 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,680 bit of trouble explaining this because a lot of these things happened. We would 332 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,519 think that the brain wouldn't be able to you know, you're not awake now 333 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,559 they are interesting. You're not awaken, you're not asleep. It's not like 334 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:33,640 having a dream because you know, your brain is your brain is not in 335 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,920 a state when it would be dreaming. Now late, it's been some very 336 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:44,839 interesting experiments by someone called the doctor Gimo Budgkin. Under her t she and 337 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:51,759 her team have actually done experiments on coma toast patients and they with the with 338 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:55,920 the on four coma toast patients with the with the permission of the relatives, 339 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:02,440 they have put them on too penetrative from electoralis philograms when the doctors quote, 340 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,559 pull the plug on. So this is someone who's in a profound vegetative state 341 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:08,400 and they're not they're not they're never going to recover. Yeah, so very 342 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,359 usually in the doctor will say, look, we're gonna have to switch them 343 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,119 off because they're not going to get better. They're going to die anyway. 344 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,640 So what they watched this found what this person found out I wrote an article 345 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,680 about this since just a couple of days ago, is that one two of 346 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:27,319 the four patients there, something remarkable happened. The brain seemed to come to 347 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:33,960 life. For just about about two hundred seconds or so, the person's brain 348 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,200 seemed to come to life. And this was like at least this was about 349 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:44,119 thirteen minutes after they'd done and been they've been withdrawn from life support, and 350 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,200 there was very much like a Gamman. THEITA waves in the brain, which 351 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,400 indicates and also set aast the brain lit up, which indicates waking consciousness and 352 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:59,440 problem solving and things like that. And then then eventually this activity ceased, 353 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,680 and they all brain activities ceased. But there's that. I mean, there's 354 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,319 several ways of looking at this. I mean, I think the materialists and 355 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:10,240 skeptics will probably they may well interpret it on on on one level, which 356 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:11,640 is to say, well, this is the smoking gun. This is what 357 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,839 we were looking for a lot. But we told you NDEs are caused by 358 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,240 brain activity, and now we found it out there. Sometimes when people are 359 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:22,200 in the brain has been hypoxic and is always virtually dead, it does come 360 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,039 to life like that, and that's probably all the end is well that that's 361 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,759 well. Firstly, we don't know the person that's experiencing consciousness. All we 362 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:34,839 know is there's certain that the air as the brain are mysteriously come into life 363 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,559 at the very very end. Secondly, why does the brain do that that's 364 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:45,240 the case, Why how does that happen? It's just accidental byproduct of our 365 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:48,720 of our brains workings. Seems to strange things. There's no evolutional advantage for 366 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:55,359 that happening. And well, also I'd say that it doesn't explain the end 367 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,759 for several reasons. I think those of us who believe in survival and like 368 00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:00,960 the idea, you know, I think, I don't think we have anything 369 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,000 to worry about when it comes to this new research, because it doesn't, 370 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:07,519 I think, explain the whole end. It doesn't explain people who've people who 371 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,720 have specific cases, when people have experienced ender ease, when this activity is 372 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:14,839 not happening. For example, the lady whose name I can't remember, but 373 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,680 she had like her heart will stop delivery so she could have a certain form 374 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,400 of brain surgery. Yeah, because she had a flat eng the whole time. 375 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:30,839 And there's also there's the qualitative element energies, which is different, and 376 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,119 people describe them, you know this. People don't just describe them as being 377 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,279 like a dream. It's not like, oh it's just like, oh, 378 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:41,640 yeah, I was awake and I was imagining talking to my grandma and stuff 379 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,519 like that. They describe it firstly, it's very lucid. Secondly, it's 380 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,279 it has enormous emotional power. People will describe it as being more real than 381 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,359 me are real. They describe it almost as being like some platonic ideal of 382 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:03,839 whatever they are experiencing. So I don't think that Dr boyage Gins work actually 383 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,880 does explain the ND in that sense, if indeed, that is if the 384 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,799 person who I mean, obviously they didn't recover and they can't recover. I 385 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,480 mean, and somebody was somebody actually said to me when I brought because I 386 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,559 wrote an article about this, and so I wrote a comments out and he 387 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,200 say, oh my god, why don't they just resuscitate them then, because 388 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,200 their brains going back? And I said, they can't because the brain is 389 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,599 literally the only thing working at that point, and they can't. The reason 390 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,680 they pulled the plot on them is because else, yeah, everything else that 391 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,400 all the other organs aren't working, you know, the hearts, and the 392 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:36,160 car doesn't work properly, things like that, and so it's a medical paradox 393 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,599 and why this why this is happening? And well, since she about Dr 394 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,960 Boydge again, I must say, I'm sorry if I'm mispronounced your name. 395 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:49,119 She's a Chinese Chinese lady. Her previous work was with with with an end 396 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,599 dimetal trip tomine and its effects on the brain, and so she what I 397 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,759 suspect is that she has that some kind of collaboration with doctor Rix Trasman, 398 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,480 who himself has worked close with Graham Hancock and several other researchers. Rickstrassman is 399 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,920 an amazing individual because he came in he wanted to study d MT, DMT 400 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:15,359 experiments on people's brains and people's visions and uh just simply as a psychological study. 401 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:21,519 He was a psychiatrist. He didn't believe in anything spiritual. And what 402 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,720 he came out, he came out with an amazing revelation, even though he 403 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:29,559 knew this was a physiological that the DMT was a physiological effect on the brain. 404 00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:32,160 So in the sense is very similar to what doctor boys And discovered about 405 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:38,319 the dying patients. It reveals a spiritual reality. So what what he believes 406 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:42,279 He discovered some kind of a place where spirits and flesh and spirit meets. 407 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:49,160 In a sense, there is a mechanism or a physiological mechanism which gives us 408 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:56,160 spiritual experiences. There's no reason why our brains should do that. Does that? 409 00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:59,920 We don't you know, thirteen minutes after your heart has stopped, there's 410 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,160 no evolutionary advantage in you having some kind of your brain lighting up and giving 411 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,400 you some kind of want, some chemical orgy. It doesn't make sense. 412 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:12,440 Yeah, it's an accidental byproduct of our brain, but it means universal across 413 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,400 all society, isn't it. There's also interesting because like a lot of people 414 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,160 are close to death and not expects to live long. Suddenly, for some 415 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,880 strange reason normally you know, in the last day of their death just prices 416 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,839 them diying. They suddenly sort of rejuvenate a little bit and can sit up 417 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:33,519 in bed and or talk to people from near death lucidity, and then they 418 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,599 snuff it. Near death lucidity is very very interesting, hasn't it. I 419 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,960 mean it reminds me a bit of that. Obviously, this is just not 420 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:44,200 near death. This is like they're nearly dead and it's internal lucidity, not 421 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,440 to be Euphenic has written about this about how people suddenly become much more alert 422 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:51,319 towards the end, and they'll sometimes I asked to say goodbye to people. 423 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,880 They'll also report that they see they'll still say things like, oh, your 424 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,279 granddad's over there. He staying that I got Grandma's dead, don't know he's 425 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,960 standing right around. Yeah. Lore for report in council of angelic figures and 426 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,920 things. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I believe I believe this. 427 00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:07,839 I don't believe that this is the materialist smoking gun. I think this this 428 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:14,079 just I think it's Yeah. I think it adds to the entire mystery of 429 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:17,759 the end is and it could be. I think it's as much interest to 430 00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:21,880 a survivalist as to materialists. And but of course there's he brags Alexander who 431 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,200 was a brain I think he still is a brain dol cler, but he 432 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,720 actually had I think he was in a in a COVID his brain was pretty 433 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:36,039 much destroyed or something, and lot exactly sure on the medical scale where he 434 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,240 was cast as being dead or just in a deep coma or something. But 435 00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:44,000 he's written a book about his adventures on the other side where he actually claimed 436 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,119 that he met his deceased sister. Yeah, whilst he was out in dead 437 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,960 in this coma or something where they were just keeping his body alive. But 438 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,000 he said he shouldn't have actually survived this Husud actually died. No's It's a 439 00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:00,640 very common feature, actually is the is the meeting the dead relatives have the 440 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,640 tone I often begins with an obe typical one begins with an obe, so 441 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,720 out of body experience. You just above your your body looking down there's something 442 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,559 some ends end there, and then you just then then recover consciousness. But 443 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:17,519 then others then find themselves going up, you know, moving away from that 444 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:21,119 position to a tunnel of light that goes up to what they got up to 445 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,119 a light, and then they find themselves in what doctor Fenne calls the area, 446 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,720 which is a location. It's often very pleasant, it's often very naturally. 447 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,920 It's like a garden. Some people describe it as being like a garden 448 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,279 with like trees and flowers and birds flying in the trees and things like that. 449 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:37,640 And that's very often the way you have encounters with relatives who've died and 450 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,839 you appear to be who were Very often they're very they're pleased to see it, 451 00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,839 but then they say, it's great to see you, but you're gonna 452 00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:47,599 have to go back. It's not it. This isn't your time. You 453 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:51,759 have to go back. And then then they regain consciousness and they're back in 454 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:57,920 our world. This is it really is. It was something that fascinates me, 455 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,599 and I think it should be of interesting. It's in the interest of 456 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,680 all of us to explore this because This is an experience we all are going 457 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,000 to have to face at some point. It's the one certainty of our future, 458 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,640 yeah, is that our physical life on this world will come to an 459 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,240 end and we're going to have to We're going to have to take a leap 460 00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:22,359 into the dark and find out whatever happens next time. It's interesting my mum 461 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:28,559 when she passed away suddenly, totally unexpectedly in twenty sixteen, she actually passed 462 00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:30,480 away with her naotic aneurism more though we didn't know that at the time. 463 00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:37,039 About ten months later she came back through Varra in a Ouiji board session for 464 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,960 some people that we'd never met before, and we had gone to that house. 465 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,279 We were like extra bums on seats because there'd been a cancellation of a 466 00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,039 book in so we were phoned up that morning. Would we be willing to 467 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:50,960 go along to this session? Totally last minute thing? We thought, oh 468 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:54,400 yeah, okay, so we took our audio recorder and lo and bauld My 469 00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:58,559 mom came to as one of the last sort of spirits to visit if you 470 00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:01,880 want to call it out, and one of the questions I asked her, 471 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,440 you know, it was obviously shocked that my mum had come through, so 472 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,839 I was kind of pleased, as was of course you can imagine. But 473 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,000 so I said, have you met your mum and badget and she goes, 474 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,279 yes, my mum came and met me, which was very interesting. So 475 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:22,200 about a year after that, I had a second session with this duo who 476 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,799 was doing Luigi board, and this time I was more prepared because I knew 477 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,359 I was going to go to it, so I felt, right, if 478 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,839 my mom comes through, I got all this kind of scientific questions to ask, 479 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,599 as well as how are you and that kind of stuff. The social 480 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,319 sort of set and I said, when we spoke last time, he said, 481 00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:42,160 your mom came and met you, So what happened? Did you go 482 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:46,039 through a tunnel of light or anything like that? And she said no, 483 00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:50,480 she goes, my mum was waiting in the core of the room waiting for 484 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,480 me to die sort of thing, and then she took me. So it's 485 00:33:53,559 --> 00:34:00,599 like the dead are waiting there to collect the newly parted lid because they already 486 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,079 know they're going to die and they're waiting to collect them. Now. The 487 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,039 interesting thing as well about my grand who collected my her mum we call her 488 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,639 Grammy Bulb, it's just the same name. She actually died in New Zealand. 489 00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:15,760 She'd emigrated to New Zealand after her husband, my grandfather died maybe three 490 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,239 years earlier, and she decided she wanted a change of life, a new 491 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,960 start, and so she emigrated. She went through the loopholes, emigrated to 492 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,159 New Zealand. Her sister was there, her stepsister was there, so she 493 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,880 started a new life with her. Never ever saw her again, basically because 494 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,440 she died out there after six months had been out there. She had only 495 00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:36,360 been six months out there, but I remember prying prior to her going. 496 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,840 One of my brothers was staying with her to keep her humping, and he 497 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,519 said, Granny Bolb, do you believe on life on other planets? You 498 00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:45,119 know, it's like fourteen at the time or something. And she goes, 499 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:51,159 no, And I don't believe in life after death either. Three next yeah, 500 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,000 and it's like yeah. So I looked to them, I thought about 501 00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,519 that. So it's suddy. She had no belief in life all to death 502 00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,199 and she was like, forty plus years later, collecting my mum from the 503 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,400 threshold known as death. Well, if there is I mean, if there 504 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,119 is an after life. I think I think we've got a good reason to 505 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:08,920 be hopeful. I don't know for certain. I mean, there's no way 506 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,760 to know for certain until he's got to wait till it's your turn. But 507 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,599 I think we've got a good reason to be hopeful. I'm quite I'm quite 508 00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:20,639 positive there is. Then it's something that whether you believe it or not, 509 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,440 you will you will get to enjoy it at some point, hopefully enjoy it 510 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,599 anyway at one point. So if you if you don't believe in it, 511 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,559 when you die soon you say oh, then you'll say, well, do 512 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:34,199 you believe in it? Your ashing experience, then you'll have to believe in 513 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,840 it. It's funny because there was this skeptic guy who was debating with me 514 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,239 over comments on YouTube, and I was putting some comments to this side keep 515 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,079 person and everyone's saying, oh, the SI shicks are all fake, They're 516 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,239 all milliums are fake, blah blah blah blah. And I said, well, 517 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,320 hang on, have you thought about this, have you considered this? 518 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,760 Blah blah blah blah. And he said, I feel sorry for you because 519 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,559 like when you'll die, you'll you'll find that there'd be nothing and I said, 520 00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,599 well, what do you mean, how can I find that? Yeah, 521 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,760 I'm dead sense, you know? And how can you feel sorry for 522 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,400 me? Because if there's nothing and you see that, I'm going to be 523 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,559 disappointed. I can't be disappointed if I exist, that's it. If you 524 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,760 if you feel disappointment, obviously still exist. Yeah, do you realize what 525 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,199 you say? Yeah, that's that's a really odd thing to say. Yeah, 526 00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:21,639 it's a very that's a very odd way to put it. Yeah, 527 00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:23,920 so I've really Richard Dawkins says, I don't feel He says, I don't 528 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,679 fear the I don't fear death at all because for me, my own death 529 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,679 is and is essentially from my position, is a non event because it is 530 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:35,800 a determination of my existence. Therefore, why should I be afraid of that? 531 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,599 And I won't exist to either fear it or enjoy it or something from 532 00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:44,360 it. I feel sorry for my relatives because they of course will miss me, 533 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,480 and there will be sad people who love me, will be very sad 534 00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:49,800 that I can't, But by myself it will suffer no consequences at all, 535 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,960 any more than the terminity that existed before my birth. So yeah, that's 536 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:59,079 not saying for a skeptic to sign, Yeah, I mean always say that 537 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,679 I'll always win an argument with a person over whether there's life after death or 538 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,920 not, because the thing is at the end of it, either we're both 539 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,239 dead and so we can't claim to be the winner, or we do survive 540 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,880 the grave and then I can claim to be the winner. There I told 541 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,880 you. I told him, Well, this is is funny because that's sort 542 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,119 of just that sort of thing does happen. There's a guy lo called Paul 543 00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:29,800 David's who have interviewed a couple of times. He's an interesting shop. Actually, 544 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,719 he produced the the Roswell movie in the movie the film, the film 545 00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:37,239 I think it was in the nineties year he made a film, but he 546 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:42,239 made he made it. He's made another documentary CST and called The Life After 547 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,400 Death Project. And when he Encounter describes his own encounters with the spirit of 548 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:53,840 his departed friend, whose name was Forrest j Ackman. Now, this is 549 00:37:53,880 --> 00:38:00,480 a guy who supposedly invented the term science fiction. He was a big science 550 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:02,880 fiction fanatic, and his whole whole house was a museum to sci fi. 551 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,400 He died in twenty sixteen. He was quite old by then and he and 552 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:12,920 Paul have been good friends for a long time, and Forrest had always been 553 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,840 an atheist and a materialist. He never believed in any form of life after 554 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:22,320 death. But Paul then something strange happened with Paul. Sometime after after Forrest 555 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,239 died. Paul was he was just working his study and he's got like a 556 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,880 little desk in his bedroom, and he printed something out for work, and 557 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,400 he pulled it out of the printer and he just threw it onto the bed 558 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,920 and he went off and did something and came back later. When he came 559 00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,679 back, he found something strange. There was an ink blot on the on 560 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,159 the page which appeared to have been covering up some of the words of a 561 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,639 letter of the word. The phrase was spoke to Joe and Moody, and 562 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:51,039 an ink blot had covered up one of them, a few of the letters 563 00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:54,159 on that phrase. Now I don't have time to go into detail, but 564 00:38:54,239 --> 00:39:00,840 basically what was left with the ink, with the ink curry it up was 565 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:05,639 the phrase A phrase which sounds like one of the jokes that Forrest Ackerman used 566 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,760 to tell. He's like verbal jokes. He had his own way of making 567 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,199 their little clips. Where it comes to different words and different phrases, and 568 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,960 Paul said, my goodness, that's a bit of it. Coins Yeah, 569 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,880 that sounds like something that Forest would have told me. And once more, 570 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,880 now what the ink blot? Where did the inkplot come from? It wasn't 571 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,159 on the sheet when he took it out the printer. In fact, Paul 572 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,679 had the ink tested and it actually wasn't the kind of ink you get in 573 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,159 print of Toner anyway. It was some other kind of ink and they couldn't 574 00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:34,679 quite identify what type, right, And he said, is this Forest sending 575 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,119 me a message from the beyond? And then he started looking into it and 576 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:42,760 he found that other people that had experiences a lot of strange coincidences computers doing 577 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,199 weird things, like strange emojis appearing. One guy was, there's some people 578 00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:50,639 who went to Forrest's grave and they came back and they found the computer did 579 00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,880 something very strange. Also, Forest Ackerman's house, which is now a kind 580 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:59,599 of museum to his life, was people have been their shadow beings have been 581 00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:04,199 reported there and it's as if maybe Forrest did get to the other side. 582 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,800 So, oh wow, Paul's right all along, I'm going to find some 583 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,480 way to tell them. So it's amazing that documentary of Life after Death project. 584 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,880 I'll have to look into that. Yeah, I mean that's one of 585 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:19,079 those things that I've always professed that when I get to the other side and 586 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,320 are climatized to the new conditions over there, whatever they may be, I 587 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,920 hope I'm not climadvised that I would then find a way of communicating with those 588 00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:34,119 left eye and now the algesst the easy way of communicating. I say easy 589 00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:37,239 way. It might be difficult, but I'm assuming it would be slightly easier 590 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,480 than trying to do things like making marks and eating blots. Would be through 591 00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:45,480 a medium. Uh, And so those around me, for instance, my 592 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:50,159 wife's my daughter, Probably not my son because he's a little bit skeptical, 593 00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:54,000 but my wife and my daughter would presumably seek out a medium or try and 594 00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:59,920 see one at some point and maybe hope that I could send some messages fire. 595 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,679 Yeah, that's a good idea. I mean, there's several different things 596 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,280 you could do. I mean, I personally would I quite like the idea 597 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,119 of a coded message as well. I mean, Harry Houdini did this. 598 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:14,440 Houdini actually died very suddenly nineteen twenty six after he got into a fight with 599 00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:19,519 someone who suffered an injury which killed him. But he did actually choose a 600 00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:24,679 coded message which he left with his wife less now And as you probably aware, 601 00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:28,159 heu Deen was a he was a diehard skeptic. Yeah, I mean, 602 00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:30,639 he was kind of the James Randy as of his time. He used 603 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:35,639 to go around to exposing fakes and things like that and so, but I 604 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,199 mean, it's possible he left. He left the door just slightly a jar 605 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,840 of the possibility that he would experience someone afterlife and if so, he could 606 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,719 find a way to get back. But heemed warning because he knew there was 607 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,079 a lot of fraud and what he perceived as a lot of fraud in them 608 00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:54,960 in the industry's he left a coded message with his wife. Now, and 609 00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,199 this is where it gets a bit weird, because if you look at the 610 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,800 various histories of Houdenian his life that have been written in recent times, you'll 611 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,199 learn that that's the best. Even though Best spent the rest of her life 612 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,960 going to various going to various mediums and having told him soundces, she never 613 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,400 received a code of message from Houdini. And you may also been aware that 614 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:21,280 who did that the Harry Houdiny Fan Club beats every Halloween night, and every 615 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:27,000 Halloween now they hold a ceremonial Massayans for Harry Houdini. And the thing about 616 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,440 it is that about which is which is interesting, because how Houdini died on 617 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:37,239 Halloween night, right verry spooky. But I actually came across a so very 618 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,440 very strange. I came across the Reader's Digest Encyclopedia of the Paranormal. So 619 00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,280 one of the other porters gave it to me. Actually it was it was 620 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,239 from nineteen eighty three. It was quite old, and in there it actually 621 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,360 would port that Houdini Whodini did get back to best and left the cod and 622 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,440 message. And I wrote an article about this on her Panelo, called the 623 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,880 Houdini Code. And I've just thought, firstly, that's it's interesting that that 624 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,840 exists. And secondly, it's been omitted from recent histories, although strangely enough, 625 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,199 after all this time, you know, I guss for I saw this. 626 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:15,559 It has been it has been acknowledged in the regional film one that's just 627 00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:19,840 been released called Nandor Fodo and the Talking Mongoose, which is a rather historically 628 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,559 inaccurate film about the Jeff the Talking Mongoose mystery from the Isle of Man, 629 00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:30,679 and so I just thought it was very fussy, very strange that that's all 630 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,960 that that story just disappeared from history. Then it's now come back all of 631 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,280 a sudden in a recent film, and I just think that's very odd. 632 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,039 That's crazy, it's extremely it's extremely crazy to me. This is as weird 633 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,039 as someone's brain coming back to life where they're abut to die. It's so 634 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:47,679 it's one of those strange things that happens in this world, you know. 635 00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,400 So, uh, that suggests to me, then, although who do us 636 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,079 try to expose these fake medians? The very fact that he had decided on 637 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,360 this quarter of action on my wife of code that are relayed from the other 638 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,280 side, it suggests to him that he must have believed in it. He 639 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,199 just hasn't found the right mediums. So he's kind of saying, look, 640 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,360 in the potential possibility that I might survive the grave, I'll give you a 641 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,119 coded message that you know, he assumes it's going to be an easy way 642 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,079 just to get a code message. Immune of course, mediumship it's a very 643 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:25,599 difficult thing to do and not as easy as people seem to think, I 644 00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:29,760 mean a lot of these skeptics, well, why don't they tell them their 645 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,880 name, address, Why don't they tell them their phone number, or why 646 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,079 don't they say? It's actually very, very difficult. It's the equivalent of 647 00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,119 trying to send smoke signals across a mountain. Extremely you know, when when 648 00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:43,559 you've got a Native American on a mount in trying to send a smoke signal, 649 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,599 they can't tell you their bank account number, their phone number, or 650 00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:49,719 how many chortren they might add. They can just maybe give you two puffs 651 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,239 of smoke warning the danger ahead of it. You know, it's a code. 652 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,679 It's like a code exactly. And it's also must say that mediums medium 653 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,800 is very in quality. And I think there's a bit of the Dunning Kruger 654 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,760 effect of mediums because a lot of them, they a lot of them overestimate 655 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,159 their own abilities. And I mean, I don't believe that. You know, 656 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,000 what the skeptics say is they're all fagus or crazy, and that's not 657 00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:15,400 that most of them. I think it's perfectly ordinary people. But they do, 658 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,159 and they a lot of them have a real gift and a lot of 659 00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:23,239 them go to development circles to try and try and make it to to create 660 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:30,360 skills to improve their abilities, but they still are they still have a limited 661 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:35,159 I feel they still have a limited ability to interpret messages from the other side. 662 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,480 Well, how it is is that often they're getting in. The most 663 00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:43,280 common form of mediumship is what called clairvoyance, which is ce and the medium 664 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,039 and I know this myself because I do it myself will get impressions sent by 665 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:50,159 the other side. That's the theory of it. Anyway, I can't say 666 00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,199 that's the science of it, but the theory is that the spirits on the 667 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:58,320 other side will impress you telepathically, and sometimes they can get a feeling across, 668 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,320 or an idea or a thought across. Sometimes I'll show you visual things, 669 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:06,239 and sometimes it's both at the same things. For instance, last year, 670 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,039 I was doing a demonstration of mediumship here in Weymouth, and there was 671 00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:12,559 a lady there. I never met her before, but I felt drawn to 672 00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:15,039 give her a message, and I was giving us various bits of information or 673 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,000 was being accepted, and in some way I was presented and I visually saw 674 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,440 it as a pair of hands just being held out to me like that, 675 00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:29,239 and I felt the word or the feeling, or I just had a feeling 676 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,840 that something medically wrong was with a pair of hands. Were like either an 677 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,000 injury or something medically wrong with these hands. They weren't quite normal, and 678 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,800 I wasn't quite sure. So you never give it the whole story, but 679 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,199 you're given us a clue. Now I've got to relay this to the person 680 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,519 there's something. So I said, look, I don't know whether this is 681 00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:52,840 yourself or some relatives around you, people you know, but does anyone that 682 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,119 you know has a problem with their hands, whether they've injured their fingers or 683 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,599 had problem with them broken nails. But I feel that I've got pair of 684 00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:05,719 hands and there's something medically wrong with them in some way. And she says, 685 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,079 yes, I can take that. She goes, it's not me. 686 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:12,239 She goes, it's my brother and my father. And they were the people 687 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,400 that are actually communicating this through me. So I found out. So she 688 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,199 explained to me because I was giving her information but I didn't know who's coming 689 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,800 from. And she said, I think you got my father and my brother 690 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:27,000 there, And basically she said both her father and her brother both had a 691 00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,599 condition, which she said, thankfully hasn't been passed on to me. But 692 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:36,519 they were both born with their sons and instead of having a normal human thumb, 693 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,400 they've got the equivalent of having a big toe on their hand. I 694 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,840 don't know what it's called scientifically or medically speaking, but they both had it, 695 00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:46,719 and so what I was getting through was actually technically correct. And think 696 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,519 either the father or the brothers coming through and trying to impress upon me this 697 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,920 information. Again, it was something unique to those two people and no one 698 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,719 else, and it would only fit them. And I was getting something there's 699 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,760 metal roll with fingers, and you know someone in your family with that issue. 700 00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,360 And she said, yes, it was my father and my brother. 701 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,280 Nay, Yeah, So I thought I was quite quite interesting to get that. 702 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:14,239 Yeah. Now, again, the father or the brother couldn't give me 703 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,760 their phone number, They couldn't tell me their bank accounts. They might sometimes 704 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,320 they might be able to tell me an area that they've come from. One 705 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,000 of the things I did pick up was that one of them went out on 706 00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:28,760 a fishing trip and I felt so emotionally disturbed on this fishing trip, and 707 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,360 I wanted to say I felt so disturbed. I wanted to say that someone 708 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,599 either drowned or nearly drowned, but I felt I didn't have the confidence to 709 00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:39,320 say that, So all I said was, I feel someone something drastically has 710 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,400 happened on this fish trip to make everyone really emotionally upset, really emotionally upset 711 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,719 on this fishing trip. And she goes, yes, yes, I can 712 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,400 tell that, and she said someone nearly drowned, and thought, Jesus, 713 00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:53,000 I nearly got it. I should have said it, you know. But 714 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,800 there are mediums that are way up the league. They're very far in few 715 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,599 between, but they can get names dates. There was a guy called Ross 716 00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:07,360 Bartlett and he gave me some fantastic information in about seven years ago. Now 717 00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:10,760 he was twenty three at the time, so I put him he's probably about 718 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,000 thirty years old, and now it's a phase young by my standards anyway, 719 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,039 but I've heard good things about him. And Monika and I that's my wife. 720 00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,880 We'd gone to Ricelip to see this guy, and we knew he was 721 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,599 in a certain building and we'd seen on the internet the building looked rather like 722 00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,480 a medieval old building with black and white beams and things like that. So 723 00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:35,440 he thought, oh, that easy, fine, And when we got there. 724 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,840 We got to the area. There's actually five buildings and they all look 725 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,360 the same and thought, oh, Craig, which fun did we go in? 726 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,880 We're running legs as a traffic so when in the first building, Now 727 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,079 it's not this one is a wedding reception of Wicks color, it's the next 728 00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:51,320 build and we totally diffused about which building, and finally we saw a door 729 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,920 open on one of them, and so we went there and we could hear 730 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,800 a voice and we thought this must be it. We saw quite our voices, 731 00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,760 and there was a man in a T shirt there, or a shirt 732 00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:05,119 shirt, and he said, I'll go in and pay your money at the 733 00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,280 end, and he was like doing the money on the door. He goes 734 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,079 going, there's some going sit those chairs over there, and you get paid 735 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,199 me the cash. After we said, oh, thank you. So we 736 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,320 went and quietly sort of sat in. We'd only be sitting in there for 737 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:21,000 five minutes and Ross Barlet at the medium was given a reading to some lady 738 00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:22,920 already, and then as soon as he threw that, lady suddenly turned to 739 00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:25,360 me and he said, I'd like to come to the gentle one, And 740 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,199 on my left I thought, hold blindly. I in't just been here. 741 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,840 I only only got it just late, so I pretty pressed record on my 742 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,599 audio recorder. So it's recorded this this thing. But anyone that wants to 743 00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:40,400 analyze it or even explain it, the skeptics would have trouble explaining this one. 744 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,679 Well, they'd say the fraud and yeah, you might raise research me. 745 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,840 Yeah, but this is when it broke into your house and this went 746 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,880 through your diary. This is very difficult. So basically we've got in this 747 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,760 building and this guy says, go and sit down there. You can pay 748 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,400 me the money afterwards, and we said thank you very much. And then 749 00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:02,440 Ross Bartlett already doing a reading on someone. And after that he literally turned 750 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,559 to me and said, I'd like to come to the gentleman on my left, 751 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,440 and I thought, oh my god, it's me. So I started 752 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:15,480 recording it. And basically he said, I've got a lady here called Agnes. 753 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:16,519 And I thought, well, I don't know anyone called Agnes. I 754 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:20,039 thought he must have the wrong person through him, So I don't don't know 755 00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:22,719 anyone called Agnes. He says, well she knows you, so oh, 756 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:29,159 here we go. This sounds a bit fishy, so but she said she'd 757 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,559 like to mention Morgan, and I thought, oh, my god, Morgan 758 00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:34,760 is the name of my daughter, and so I sort of sat up, 759 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,599 and I thought, this is a bit interesting. And she likes to visit 760 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,440 Morgan because she loves children or something. And my daughter was quite younger then, 761 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,039 so apparently she spent a lot of time around Morgan as a spirit when 762 00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:52,320 Morgan was growing up and stuff and anyway, so she went on and then 763 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:58,840 she said, is your brother can you get older your brother? And I 764 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,440 said, well, yeah, kind of. I could probably ring him. 765 00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:05,960 Maybe you might want to ring him, because he just confirmed that he goes 766 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,039 around graveyards. And Agneses wanted to say that she sees your brother Phil, 767 00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:15,119 and that was again, Phil, It's true. My brother Phil goes around 768 00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:19,760 family graveyards to hunt down family members old for art and grays in grave sites 769 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:28,239 and apparently been to this person's great and so then she said, he said, 770 00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:30,800 oh, I'm not sure about this. He said, hang on a 771 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,360 minute. He goes, Okay, let's go for it. He said, 772 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,800 just see that man over there on the on the door by the door, 773 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,559 in the blue shirt. That was the man that let me in. He 774 00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:42,280 said, you know, go and sit down. I said, yeah. 775 00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:46,480 He said his name is Chris Hayes. And as soon as he has said 776 00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:52,960 that that, oh my god. And he said, they're telling me or 777 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:59,360 agonist is telling me that Morgan, my daughter, is also connected to Chris 778 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,039 Hayes. And I said, yes, I'd like to confirm that my daughter 779 00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:08,920 has been going out with a guy also called from Chris Hayes. Yeah, 780 00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:12,880 And I thought, oh my god, what is the odds of that guy 781 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,519 being called Chris Hayes. He's coming, said the name of my daughter, 782 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,800 and he said the name of my daughter's boyfriend. And he happens to have 783 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,679 the same name as the guy that let me in, And I thought, 784 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,000 what is that? How could they have done that? And I thought about 785 00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:29,840 this afterwards. I thought, this is presumably why it came to me straight 786 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,039 away. And years he had the energy in his mediumship at that point, 787 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,119 and they had a they had this three pronged attack where they could kind of 788 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:43,000 say this Chris Hayes name, which was a one and a million chants to 789 00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:46,199 sort of say that, you know. And anyway, I told my mom 790 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,760 this and I played a recording, but we didn't know who this agnis was. 791 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,000 And she was telling my Auntie Sue. My mom has related the whole 792 00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:58,400 experience to my auntist server the phone. Auntie Sue says, well, I 793 00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:01,800 know Auntie who agneses. She goes, that's your auntie Doris. And I 794 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,719 thought, well, I know Auntie Doris. And apparently my auntie Doris. 795 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,840 It wasn't a real name. Apparently her real name was Agnes, as the 796 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:17,159 reading saying, but she never liked that name, so she called herself via 797 00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:21,239 a middle name, which was Doris. So everyone knew her name is Doris, 798 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,639 and I never knew all these years her name was Agnes. And yet 799 00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:28,519 she's coming through to prove a point. You see something that they couldn't even 800 00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:31,719 look up. So I thought that was a really good example of mediumship. 801 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,079 And if there's a if there's a skeptic out there can explain how it's done, 802 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,760 I'll be interested to hear. I suppose you asked, they give you 803 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,159 would be that this guy must have broken into your house and photocopied your diary 804 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,880 or something, which, of course is that to me is what I call 805 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,440 the clowns day off fallacy. It's and this is the essentially what what what 806 00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:55,199 what's meant by that is that if someone photographs a lockless monster and you skept 807 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,400 and tell a skeptic about it, they'll say, no, that's not that's 808 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,199 a clown with a day from the circus playing a trick on you. And 809 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:07,280 you do quest what cloud had? You know this clown? Who is it? 810 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:08,679 Tell me all about him? It says, oh, I don't know 811 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,599 what clown it is. It's just that's more likely. So what the skeptics 812 00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,239 doing, essentially, what they've told is that debunking becomes an exercise of the 813 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,719 imagination. You don't have to you can debunk something about any evidence at all. 814 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,880 You simply have to make something up. And it wins by default because 815 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:30,599 it doesn't involve strange lizards and Scottish locks. And to me, that's and 816 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,280 through some principle the skeptic never explains, but that's that's just wins by default. 817 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,679 And so if a skeptic said that, and then it's firstly, that's 818 00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:43,000 a very serious matter to accuse this guy of a crime of fraud. Firstly 819 00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:47,199 breaking and entering and fraud. It's also the fact that this guy is just 820 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,679 this skeptic has just made something up about this person without no evidence at all. 821 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,320 It just says yeah, but it's it doesn't involve it, it doesn't 822 00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:00,400 involve spirits, so it wins by default. It has to be real. 823 00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:02,440 You have to accept that as real in the absence of any other evidence, 824 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,079 which so I don't accept that. I think that is bad logic. Yeah, 825 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,559 yeah, so, yeah, I mean I was. I think that's 826 00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:13,679 a very remarkable expiraitual. Yeah, I mean it's very rare. You get 827 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,719 medium ship back good and it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. Here's one 828 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,639 in a few thousand. There's some mediums. I mean, there was a 829 00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,199 lady I knew called them, Shirley Bolstock. I think it was very she 830 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,360 gave me a very good reading. I will go into details because it's well, 831 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,760 it's a little bit touchy personally, but she she gave she told me 832 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,920 some remarkable things. Yeah, certainly she has she's on the other side herself 833 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,000 now. Unfortunately she she died a few months ago. But yeah, and 834 00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:43,239 there are some really really good mediums and places. Yeah. I mean that 835 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,559 particularly would bolt me over because it was the fact that they could bring these 836 00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:52,760 two names of Chris Hayes together that have Chris Hayes. This this guy who 837 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,599 worked for him. He was the guy that used to drive him around because 838 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,519 Rosting drive at the timeything he does now, but he didn't drive anywhere. 839 00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:04,159 So this guy I was like his driver who were driving to things events and 840 00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:06,760 that and kind of look after him and he would take the money on the 841 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,880 door sort of thing. And people would say, oh, well, you 842 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,719 must have booked your tickets and you know, he knew where you're going to 843 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,199 sit and stuff like that, And that's not the case because I had got 844 00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:21,199 my tickets through a guy who knew me, and he would just reserve some 845 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,440 seats, that's all. And so he didn't have a straw plan of where 846 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:30,480 anyone was sitting. And also the fact is that how could they logically connect 847 00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:34,800 Chris Hayes. It was with my daughter to Chris Hazers, the guy that's 848 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,159 doing the tickets. I mean, that is a one in a million kind 849 00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:42,760 of weird connection, isn't it? For spooky correction? And the fact is 850 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,639 that they gave that my daughter's name, he gave my brother's name. He 851 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:51,960 also mentioned about my Welsh grandfather and apparently said my worst grandfather says, carry 852 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,559 on, do the artwork and thought, what happens he Now I do art 853 00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:55,920 work, you know, and people say, oh wul they get a rough 854 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,280 Facebook. But A Agnes was never mentioned on stage book because I didn't even 855 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,800 know the nighbors Agnes. And so there's no way of breaking into my diary 856 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,320 because I remember write about my aunty Doris let alone Agnes. But it was 857 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,599 the fact is that he could have said, oh, I'm picking up a 858 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,639 mystical name of Morgan or anything. That does that mean? And I thought, 859 00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:16,440 well, yeah, it would mean something to me. But to get 860 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,159 the name of Chris Hayes and the fact that this guy was called Chris Hayes 861 00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:24,679 was a blinder for me. Co blinder. So we're going to move on 862 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:30,039 to another topic. Something I sent you recently and I was quite impressed that 863 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:37,440 I found this. Actually it's to do with the US Air Force actually commissioning 864 00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:44,760 a study into teleportation that this is unbelievable. I mean, what exactly is 865 00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:50,840 what is that the could it possibly it's not size fishing? What something? 866 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,719 Unfortunly hadn't actually what read all the document you sent me? But what's it 867 00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:58,039 all about? So basically I think this occurred in about two thousand and three 868 00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,599 or four, twenty odd years ago they did this, and I don't know 869 00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:06,719 if there's any follow ups to it, but they commissioned this kind of physics 870 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:12,559 expert who ran his own company called warp Drive Industries or something like that. 871 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,159 Yeah, in appropriate, anim I guess, And he was basically writing about 872 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:22,400 all the possibilities of teleportation is it possible in present day quantum physics? And 873 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:28,679 he was basically setting set in the stage for what they currently know about it, 874 00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:31,760 because I guess the Air Force, presumably for some reason why they wanted 875 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,239 to know about it was connected with the UFOs. It wasn't really mentioned. 876 00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:42,079 But why did the Air Force take an interest in teleportation? For starters? 877 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:45,159 I mean, they're there to do with, you know, flying aircraft, 878 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,880 and why would they want to know about teleportition It seems a bixare thing for 879 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,239 them to commission an investigation into what peaked that curiosity. I one, I 880 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,639 don't know, I mean, it's it's it's a strange cell. Well, 881 00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:59,719 it's an interesting uh, you know, warp warp Drive was a bit of 882 00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:02,159 a that said, the creating name for the gumbix. But you see, 883 01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:08,480 teleportation has been observed believe it or not, on the court in among in 884 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,920 subatolic particles, in other words, quantum physics. So for example, some 885 01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:19,920 of the didn't experiment once where they fired neutrons at an impermeable barrier. In 886 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,360 other words, it was like heavy metal in ned or something I believe or 887 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:27,800 not. Some of these neutrols actually did they kin'd of put what is what 888 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,519 this scientist said. This was done with Lawren's living all laboratories, the neutrons 889 01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:34,920 could not have passed through the barrier, or more neutrals and would normally pass 890 01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:39,440 through that barrier appeared on the other side in the dating that through the vagaries 891 01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:44,760 of quantum physics, it is possible, actually to teleport from one place to 892 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,239 another. Wrong with all the other weird stuff to do in quantum physics superposition 893 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:54,119 and things like that, and spooky action at a distance, entanglements and stuff. 894 01:00:54,880 --> 01:01:01,480 But you see, it's a teleports if you just describe it as an 895 01:01:01,519 --> 01:01:06,400 object or something moving from you know, essentially disappearing in one place and reappearing 896 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:12,360 in another. That can be done through the Einstein Rosen bridge, the wormhole. 897 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,119 And this is what is often used in science fiction to account for to 898 01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:21,000 allow is a plot device essentially to allow people on a spaceship. And indeed 899 01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:23,400 this guy is called warp Drive. This is this company is called warp Drive. 900 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,719 Warp Drive is a plot device from star Trek that allows the starship ended 901 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,800 Price to travel vast different distances in space within the lifetimes of the grand children 902 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:37,719 of the crew. So WHI wouldn't happen, which wouldn't happen in real life 903 01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:42,719 without that. But the warp drive, that is, the ability to essentially 904 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,719 bypass long distances in space or in short distances in space, exists in theory. 905 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,639 It was worse how, more than one hundred years ago by Albert Einstein 906 01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:52,559 and someone called Rosen. I don't know what the other these other name was, 907 01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:57,480 but they there's a paper published over a century ago in which they describe 908 01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,440 how in theory this could happen through these wormholes what's called wormholes. Now there's 909 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,719 there's no there was no practical way of doing this. Indeed, today we 910 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:12,159 know if we're supposedly certainly on in publicly available silent science, there's no way 911 01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:15,159 of knowing how to create wormholes and actually exist. If they did, it 912 01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:20,239 would be very very interesting but because if if they existed secret, then it 913 01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:23,159 would be very interesting if that secret is declassified, because it would allow for 914 01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:29,159 example, it would it creates a we could create transport systems that were far 915 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:35,800 superior to any other. It means we could travel vast distances instantly just we 916 01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:37,519 literally stepped through a door, and you could. You could go and visit 917 01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:42,519 your friend in Australia, for exampley just stepping through a little door. But 918 01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:45,679 that's just the start of it. It wouldn't even Australia. The mean distance 919 01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:47,480 would no longer be an object, so you could visit Australia, but would 920 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:52,760 also visit a distant planet on on on in another galaxy in the same way. 921 01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:57,239 If we could find a practical way to make this work safely and effectively. 922 01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:04,719 And a lot of science fiction horror actually is concerns the use of wormholes 923 01:03:04,719 --> 01:03:09,400 and then going wrong. Something horrible happens when they go wrong. The Dark, 924 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,000 for example, the German TV series Oh yeah about that? Yeah, 925 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:19,719 So well, if if it's strange, because there's a going called Ashton Forbes, 926 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,639 who's made an astonishing claim we mentioned earlier, the MH three seventy disappearance, 927 01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:27,880 the strange mystery of an aeroplane, and it's an airline that disappeared almost 928 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,360 ten years ago, just vanished into thin air while it was on the journey 929 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:37,920 between Malaysia and China. He has found a film which appears to show these 930 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:43,719 strange objects with I thought you call them with this is someone else? Sorry, 931 01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:47,920 I think with these there's a picture. Well, basically these video shows 932 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,960 are an airline. It's a bowing triple seven like MH three seventy. You 933 01:03:52,000 --> 01:04:00,280 can't identify high exactly, flying along and these UFOs are treation. This a 934 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,599 little strange and ovoid white ovoid things. And then three of them suddenly starts 935 01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:09,400 circling this aircraft just an equal distance all the way around it, just going 936 01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:12,159 round it like that as it's flying along. Then there's a flash of light 937 01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:16,719 and everything disappears orbes aircraft, everything and action forbes. He says this is 938 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:21,320 not extraterrestrial. He believes. He says, this is basically secret government technology 939 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:27,400 being used to teleport the plane. Where two though exactly, I mean, 940 01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:30,239 I'm sorry, I think the chance to read more of them. Yeah, 941 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,800 the literature you sent me, it's interesting because they talked about stargates, which 942 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,199 is interesting because you think that's the TV series, But the Stargate, the 943 01:04:36,239 --> 01:04:42,960 word stargate is taken in front of some of this scientific research and the towards 944 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,280 the end of it, he was talking about aspects of teleportation in nature, 945 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:50,400 and so he's used an example where in China, Communist China, they've done 946 01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:55,360 experiments there and they found for some reason, Chinese kids, I don't know 947 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,880 why it's. Chinese kids are all people. They could teleport objects through walls 948 01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:04,440 and this was observed by scientists, credible people, and these kids have the 949 01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:10,400 ability somehow to bring objects current remember what objects they were, you know, 950 01:05:10,519 --> 01:05:15,519 small items from one room to another, and they were doing typical uri gella 951 01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:17,599 stuff ing spoons, that kind of stuff as well. But the other thing 952 01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:20,960 was that they are out of teleport things. They couldn't explain how they did 953 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:25,000 it. They just knew that it was happening in some strange, weird way. 954 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:31,599 And why it was children don't know. Maybe maybe they're kind of like 955 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,960 they're easy to locate in that sense, because when when you're an adult and 956 01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:42,039 you're doing a job in China, you perhaps want to suppress these abilities if 957 01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:43,719 you've got them, because you don't want to come to the attention of the 958 01:05:43,719 --> 01:05:46,440 authorities. But somehow children don't realize that sort of stuff, that you should 959 01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,280 suppress these things, and they perhaps doing it as fun and people start to 960 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,159 pick up on it. Maybe I don't know that that's my theory behind it. 961 01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:57,800 But so if they knew that, like twenty years ago, what do 962 01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,679 they know now that teleportation exactly? I mean, it's it's harshly something that 963 01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:06,119 they're keep they're keeping secrets. They want to use their own private purposes, 964 01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:09,800 like so much else, like free energy, like anti gravity and things like 965 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:15,599 this. Obviously, if it's it could be you could do a lot of 966 01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:18,400 good with this sort of thing if it was used. I'm in the practical 967 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:23,760 applications of such technology, if they were allowed to everyone be limitless. I've 968 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,000 already described a few of them. It would revolutionized place space exploration beyond all 969 01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:31,000 beliefs and their transportation and things like that. Oh, it would be used 970 01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:35,840 all kinds of things. And I suppose it could also. I'm sure someone 971 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:40,079 will think of some way to weaponize it. It could be used to spy 972 01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:44,480 on people. It could be in a in a tyrannical regime. It could 973 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,920 be used as the ultimate in the ultimate surveillance state. Things like that you 974 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:54,800 can literally have like hidden cameras in everywhere anyway he wants to be, could 975 01:06:54,800 --> 01:07:01,159 teleport them wherever you want. Yeah, yeah, it's very interesting. So 976 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:06,199 I mean, actually in spiritualism they have a thing called apples, which are 977 01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:11,880 these objects that in seunces, they would be objects that would be teleported by 978 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,559 the spirits that are running the sales and they might take them, say, 979 01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,880 I know, there's one example where they take something like a ring or something 980 01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:26,519 like that, or a brooch or something from an Egyptian too, in ancient 981 01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:30,840 Egypt, and they teleported it into the room of this sales somewhere in Britain, 982 01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:33,599 and they typically would fall through the ceiling and just land on the table. 983 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:39,880 And then Helen Duncan's soundces, similar things happened, and though in other 984 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:45,280 sunces, I think it was in a skull experiment, a newspaper from the 985 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,000 nineteen forties at the time of Helen Nuncan sort of fell through the ceiling and 986 01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:54,440 it had a news report about Helen Nuncan on this newspaper and they tested it 987 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,119 all out and the paper and the ink well from the nineteen forties. Yeah, 988 01:07:58,159 --> 01:08:00,440 that's an important point because I mean, of course the skep will say, 989 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:01,639 well, do you just went and got a back copy from the newspaper 990 01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:04,159 off this, because you can't. You can go and order a back copy 991 01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:08,639 of any any addition for a reasonable price, and indeed people do it as 992 01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:11,119 a novelty. You can you can like it. They say, you look 993 01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:14,199 a order newspaper from the they were born and things like this. But it 994 01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:17,720 wi we're printed on fresh paper or using modern printed toner. But this particular, 995 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,479 as you just said, it was printed in a particular kind of ink 996 01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,520 which had a lot of tire, and it's which is not made nowadays. 997 01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,199 And the reason they use this kind of ink in the Wars because of rash 998 01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:30,840 think. Yeah. Yeah, And of course if it was the original newspaper, 999 01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,479 then the paper would have deteriorated. It would have turned bright yellow, 1000 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,800 because paper does. Actually, you say, if you've got an old book, 1001 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,319 it might look a bit yellow some of the papers. The reason is 1002 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:45,239 because paper can taste a chemical called lignin, which oxidizes when it mixes with 1003 01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,840 the air. There's a chemical reaction which makes it turn yellow. Yeah, 1004 01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:53,720 So that's that I think is a is an important point, so reports I 1005 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,760 think that are very very real. And then again, this is the kind 1006 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,600 of thing that's when things just a period mid air. This in the case 1007 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,000 that's spirit is not spirits, has the ability to influence our world. This 1008 01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:08,760 is since he physical mediumship in which spirit actually causes changes in our world of 1009 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:14,279 a supernatural nature, which I think is really uh which again but at this 1010 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,399 point the skeptics saying it's all fake, it's all nonsense. I've witnessed this 1011 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:23,479 myself. I witnessed a physical medium called Jason Harrington transfigure himself, transfigure his 1012 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,159 own hands, and I mean I do not there's any other explanation for what 1013 01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:30,520 he did, his hands, his fingers stretching out, his fingernails turning red. 1014 01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:32,960 He was sitching literally about as far away from me as you are, 1015 01:09:33,039 --> 01:09:36,359 and I saw his hands do this. That's interesting. I know who you're 1016 01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:40,840 talking about because he was called Jay Love as well. I mean he had 1017 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,520 another name. He went by another name called Jay Love world wide anyway, 1018 01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:48,000 and I'd gone and seen him do a demonstration of doing the same kind of 1019 01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:55,399 phenomena in hitching in Hertfordshire and they're black out all the windows as a hall. 1020 01:09:56,399 --> 01:09:58,760 I actually saw nothing. I have to be honest, I was sort 1021 01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,600 of saying, but I saw nothing. He had two in the red lamps 1022 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,359 placed on the table, sorry, on the floor in front of him, 1023 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,359 and the lamps would be shining up at his face. He had that almost 1024 01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:10,079 hammer horror kind of drank it a lot, you know, with the lights 1025 01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:14,760 sort of shine on your face. And we'll watched and I could hear people 1026 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,319 behind me going, oh wow, look at that. Oh my god, 1027 01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,199 you know, and I was looking and I was thinking, I can't see 1028 01:10:19,239 --> 01:10:25,000 a thing. What's going on? Why can't I see it? And half 1029 01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:29,520 way through he sort of said, is there any questions? And so I 1030 01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,279 said, yeah, can you He was sort of supposed to talking as a 1031 01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:35,640 guide by the way, at this voice his spirit regard was saying any questions? 1032 01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,640 So I said, yeah, can you? Can you bring through anyone? 1033 01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:43,319 And he goes, yes, we can try. He says, come 1034 01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:45,600 and sit with me, my friend. So I had to go and sit 1035 01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:46,960 in front of him, in front of everybody else that was watching. So 1036 01:10:47,079 --> 01:10:49,920 I literally had a front row seat literally, and I had to hold his 1037 01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:55,359 hands whilst he did this, and he sort of went forward and he says, 1038 01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:57,359 I can feel a man coming through, and I thought, oh, 1039 01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,399 that could be good. Could be my friend that's passed away. Maybe it's 1040 01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,079 him. I don't know, as I was waiting in anticipation, thinking okay, 1041 01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:08,439 come on through, and then he would sort of step forward into light 1042 01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,760 e Lena's face forward into these two and thrared lights. So the idea was 1043 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,800 that I would then see my friend's face or someone's face at least transfigured or 1044 01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:21,520 superimposed over his face. But I absolutely saw nothing, and I said I'm 1045 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:26,239 sorry, I can't see anything. So he said I will try again. 1046 01:11:26,279 --> 01:11:29,399 So he moved his face out of the light and he goes, we'll try 1047 01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,319 another time. So he move forward again, and I looked and I could 1048 01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:34,720 hear again people behind me going, oh, look at that, look at 1049 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,079 that, look at the ears getting bigger. And I was thinking, what, 1050 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,640 I can't see a damn thing. And I said, I'm sorry. 1051 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,479 You know you feel precious, so pressure to sort of say oh, thank 1052 01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:45,880 you very much, else loving, but I thought no, to be honestick 1053 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,600 to my guns, I said, I'm sorry, I can't see a thing. 1054 01:11:49,239 --> 01:11:53,000 So again he said, we'll try one more time, my friend, 1055 01:11:53,039 --> 01:11:56,199 and he moved his head out the lights like this, and then he moved 1056 01:11:56,279 --> 01:11:58,760 it one more time back in. So this is the third time he's moving 1057 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,760 his face in the light. I said, sorry, can't see a thing. 1058 01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:06,840 So she then said the lady that had organized this, Jeannette or where 1059 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:12,279 he says Jeannette, make sure our friend gets a full refund. That probably, 1060 01:12:12,319 --> 01:12:15,960 yeah, but I'm still with the money. You're a world only twenty 1061 01:12:16,079 --> 01:12:20,600 quid. Oh, I obvious said they didn't tell Jason himself, the one 1062 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,960 that the channeling. Yeah, that's right. They forgot to wake him out 1063 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,880 and tell him that. Yeah. Yeah, but now Dart worry Jason, 1064 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,319 if you're watching, I'm not gonna has through you for the cat. But 1065 01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,159 I just was being honest. I saw nothing, but then you had a 1066 01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:34,319 positive I do yes, and Jason allowed me. He didn't charge me, 1067 01:12:34,359 --> 01:12:40,239 actually because I don't interview Jean Skinner and she was very appreciative of Jean Skinner 1068 01:12:40,319 --> 01:12:45,279 is actually a transfiguration medium from the Northeast. Yeah, she passed away a 1069 01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:47,600 couple of months after our interviews. Yeah. Quite. She's pretty good lady. 1070 01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,720 But she was this Jordy lady who lived a slight somewhere north of Newcastle 1071 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:56,439 in the Northumberland. Yeah, and she's done some photographs of some of the 1072 01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,840 transfigurations she did, which includes facial changes. Yeah, he said she an 1073 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,079 EXTI plastering mask and hand changes and things like that. Answer. Apparently, 1074 01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:10,239 transfigure transfiguration has happened to me many many years ago. I was experimentally chanting 1075 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,600 and my girlfriend at the time was a medium, and she was sort of 1076 01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,359 basically watching me at the end of the bed. I was sitting on the 1077 01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,119 bed and I had one I think she had a torch, that's right, 1078 01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:24,640 and she was bringing the set of questions that I'd pre for bed. Can 1079 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:29,119 you ask this spirit guide who I apparently got coming through? And I was 1080 01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:31,000 sort of chanting his voice, and she said that she saw this sort of 1081 01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:33,840 missed around my face. So she put her hand over the torch to try 1082 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,560 and see clearly because it was sort of like distracting a little bit. And 1083 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:44,760 she said she saw the face of this Victorian gentleman completely sideboards talking over my 1084 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,800 face, and every time my mouth opened, his mouth opened in synchronization like 1085 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,560 I was wearing a mask. I was totally unaware of that, but that's 1086 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:55,039 what I was told happened. Wow, yeah, yeah, I mean I 1087 01:13:55,039 --> 01:14:00,479 said it could have been Elvis. I was all sugar can interesting experience and 1088 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:04,239 they're talking, we're took one little last thing we're talking about and then well 1089 01:14:04,319 --> 01:14:10,159 we'll wrap this up. And there was another medium from the Northeast. I 1090 01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:17,600 think it was Cotton them exactly where somewhere and where is it that they do 1091 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,760 it? Truth? Because the Northeast? Yeah, oh on Wolve's end. 1092 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:27,600 Yeah, but what's the actual beat city that is in Newcastle? Newcastle that 1093 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,000 was in around one time? Yeah, one tign Yeah, or he might 1094 01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:32,439 have come from Burham, I'm not sure which. There's a guy called Hunter 1095 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:38,079 Selkirk who was basically a medium in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and he 1096 01:14:38,199 --> 01:14:42,279 had an uncanny ability at mediumship. He's a very humble man by all accounts, 1097 01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:45,199 and I never met him. I found only one thing on the newspaper, 1098 01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,520 a cut in about where he gave some actual information at spiritist shows. 1099 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,199 But he was a very good physical medium. Otherwords, he could go into 1100 01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:55,039 trance and produce this phenomena of that ectoplasm would come out of him and form 1101 01:14:55,079 --> 01:14:58,760 into physical beings a spirits. And there's one time he actually said to some 1102 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,720 people that were with him, and they just he said, oh, we 1103 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,600 try some table to tell him, and they said, oh yeah. So 1104 01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,359 they literally got the table, they pulled it into the middle of the room, 1105 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:12,359 and instantly, without any sort of like further movement or action or anything 1106 01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:15,680 like that, Hunter sell Kok just suddenly what slumped into trance. And the 1107 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:20,560 people that were standing there witnessed this ectoplasm come out of his nose and get 1108 01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:26,520 sort of start to form into two sort of small masses on the table that 1109 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,199 they'd put in the room. And these masses grew into about a foot high 1110 01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:36,079 each figures, and they became solid white figures of people, but only a 1111 01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:41,720 feet high. And they're both dressed in Elizabethan costumes on one was a man 1112 01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:45,439 and one was a lady. So both and Elizabethan man and Elizabethan lady as 1113 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,399 fully materialized figures, but only about a foot high age. And they turned 1114 01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,720 and bowed to each other. And then they turned and bowed to the men 1115 01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,439 that were witnessing them, like very politely, and they said they could see 1116 01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,159 the lace on their wrists and collars. They could there are calls and everything 1117 01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:04,079 in full detail, but completely white. And then they just deep, deep 1118 01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:09,399 melted back down, and then the ati went back into hunter Selkok's no, 1119 01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,199 and he woke up and he goes, oh, has anything happened? Did 1120 01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:15,399 I miss anything? He's completely unaware it happened. That's it. That's a 1121 01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:20,359 very typical manifestation medium experience, and it's it's actually very rare, but it 1122 01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:24,439 can be done. There's only a handful of people who have that ability in 1123 01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:28,680 the world. Helen Duncan's actually considered one of the most powerful ever. Yeah, 1124 01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,000 but some others, for example Victor and Wendy's amates, have explored the 1125 01:16:31,079 --> 01:16:36,840 manifestation mediums and they do exist. And this is where literally they can conjure 1126 01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:42,079 up ghosts out of nowhere. And I mean the skeptics say it's all fake 1127 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,680 and they're using cheese cloth. They're they're good taking cheese cloth, which is 1128 01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:47,000 it's just all I mean. I've never tried that. I wouldn't have. 1129 01:16:47,039 --> 01:16:50,560 Don't tried at home, for goodness sake, You'll probably kill yourself. But 1130 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:55,000 they will say this is what's how it's done. I don't believe that myself, 1131 01:16:55,359 --> 01:17:00,399 and I find these stories incredibly skept It's always the experts on how it's 1132 01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:03,319 done. But they don't actually go to these sous is to actually cry and 1133 01:17:03,359 --> 01:17:08,199 investigate themselves. But they tell you how it's all done. Yeah, they'll 1134 01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:10,079 say that. They'll say, well it's gain. They use a lot of 1135 01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:13,720 Cloudsdale fallacies. I mean, they had the whole Harry price and they're regogitating 1136 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,680 cheese cloth that is, that's essentially he claims to have gathered a specimen of 1137 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,279 it. I don't believe him. I think it's another Cloudsdale fallacy. And 1138 01:17:21,359 --> 01:17:26,600 then of course all mediumship they always say they get this information from Facebook or 1139 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,880 anything like that, and so well we led to believe them that mediumship only 1140 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:35,239 began when Facebook began. It goes back to the ancient world. And I 1141 01:17:35,319 --> 01:17:43,640 mean, in fact, there's reports of soothsayers of me and Millennia only had 1142 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,880 two thousand years ago and things like that, and it goes back into Sharmans 1143 01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:50,439 of prehistory. So yeah, it's a perennial it's a perennial experience that we 1144 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:55,840 humans have had since right. I think we're wrapping this up now, Ben, 1145 01:17:56,079 --> 01:18:00,720 So we're talking and jarring in the first twenty twenty four so before we 1146 01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,479 wrap up as a conclusion, what's your things that you've got lined up for 1147 01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,520 this year, and also watch your oats this year. As far as the 1148 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,800 UFO disclosure in well, obviously they'll release more information about the aliens. And 1149 01:18:14,279 --> 01:18:16,199 I don't know. I don't know about prediction, because you see, I 1150 01:18:16,319 --> 01:18:20,640 predicted everything that's happened this in twenty twenty three, which was essentially what I 1151 01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:25,000 would call it, the year of the UFO. Almost it's the most exciting 1152 01:18:25,079 --> 01:18:29,279 euthological here and history, in the uthological year of history. It's almost like 1153 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,920 it's almost like the Toll twenty seventeenthenomenon coming home to roost in a sense. 1154 01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:38,399 But so I wouldn't want to make a prediction. I can hope what's going 1155 01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,920 to happen. There will be more of that and we'll get closer and closer 1156 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:46,720 to more and more admissions. Of course, the Schumer amendmand has been essentially 1157 01:18:47,399 --> 01:18:51,239 amended, which and again it's been it's been altered to remove some of the 1158 01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:57,720 most important clauses to do with the presidential oversight and indeed the eminent domain, 1159 01:18:58,359 --> 01:19:00,800 which is bad. I mean it's bad on one level because it means that 1160 01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:05,079 Congress now no longer has the ability that they did with the original amendments to 1161 01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:15,760 pressure private companies into into giving information and give it. I assuming remember, 1162 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,920 it is amazing. It contained all these words which we never thought we'd see 1163 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:24,000 in official government documentation, which tends to be very very nebulous and full of 1164 01:19:24,079 --> 01:19:28,760 sort of vagaries. This actually says work uses words like non human intelligence, 1165 01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,800 extra trestrials, technology and things like this, or non human technology and things 1166 01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:36,760 and words like that. Well, the good the good thing about it is 1167 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:42,319 that I think the very fact that the two Mics, as they become known, 1168 01:19:42,399 --> 01:19:48,239 these are the Congress people who have behind this this revision, who had 1169 01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:54,479 their campaigns actually funded by these first companies. Because of what they've done, 1170 01:19:54,520 --> 01:20:00,680 no one is now talking about there being no non human intelligence involved. No 1171 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,159 one is now talking about it all being some great, big delusion. I 1172 01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:08,840 mean, the skeptic lineup till now has been well, Congress has simply been 1173 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:14,640 carried away with a folly and the whole David Grusht and the other witnesses this, 1174 01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,960 this is just Congress losing their minds and starting to believe crazy stuff. 1175 01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:23,159 Now one's talking like that now, because if this crazy stuff didn't exist, 1176 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,600 the two mics would not have done what they did. They wouldn't bother go 1177 01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,239 to all the trouble to me and you know, altering an amendment for something 1178 01:20:31,279 --> 01:20:33,960 that wasn't real. Why not just let it get let them go on with 1179 01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,800 that. We got nothing to hide, you know, and you see what 1180 01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:41,319 I mean. So I'm hoping more of that will come out this year. 1181 01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:45,880 I'm hoping there's going to be some elections this year, so politics might hopefully 1182 01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,279 there may be some interesting development in politics. We don't know yet. It's 1183 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,960 there's so much unpredictable, so much, so many things in the past I 1184 01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,000 didn't predict has happened. So I'm not going to go too far out on 1185 01:20:56,079 --> 01:20:58,720 a limbit on this. On a personal level, I want to try and 1186 01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:02,119 read more. I want to try read more books and because I've been I 1187 01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:05,439 think I've been maybe neglecting that. So I'd like to because I've got a 1188 01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:09,439 lot of the books I haven't read yet and i'd like to read them. 1189 01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,720 I like to do reviews of them, possibly on a PANELATIV you or Pamela 1190 01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:17,279 Voice, And that would be my that would be my next That's my personal 1191 01:21:17,319 --> 01:21:21,119 New Year's resolution. Yeah, Coru cool all right, well, I think 1192 01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:26,239 we'll wrap this up. I'd like say to everyone thanks for watching and thanks 1193 01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:29,600 for Ben for joining us. I think this is going to go on Ben's 1194 01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,920 program and also The Paranormal Preacher at some point, so we'd like to wish 1195 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,520 everyone, both of us from Ben and I are very happy New Year and 1196 01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:41,520 wish you all the best for twenty twenty four. Cheerio, Cheerio, Happy 1197 01:21:41,560 --> 01:22:20,600 New Year, Happy New Year. You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network 1198 01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:25,800 voted number one for paranormal podcasts in the UK.