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podcast we have been anxious to do
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will get to all of it.
With Devin Haney retaining his lightweight titles in

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a win over Vasili Loomachinko, that
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debated for a while, including on
this pod cast an upset win and yes

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I saw you swatting people. Dan
Rayphel. It was an upset win for

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Shantell Cameron of England over Katie Taylor
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defends her undisputed titles. We're gonna
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bit of news off the weekend.
We've got nostalgia and more. All Right,

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how you feelings as we come off
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in the recap mode. I got
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Number One, hide the women and
children. There's gonna be enough bombs

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tonight, there will be no I
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half. Can you keep it under? I'm gonna probably take the over.

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You're gonna take the over. I'm
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just I'm so, I'm so show. Yeah, I'm worked up. I'm

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anxious to do this show. I'm
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before I pressed record, you said, missus Rayphel made a great meal to

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night. Stir fry was delicious.
Now you've got indigestion because you talking to

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me. Now you're mad, Now
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again about last night? Thank you? Yeah, cranky about about the post

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that out of the way, let's
begin with the ESPN Top ranked show,

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get right into it with the main
event win for Devin Haney, a unanimous

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decision win. I will say up
front, I did not agree with it.

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I know what you scored the fight. The floor is yours. Here

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we go, folks, and start
the counter on the f bombs, because

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I don't know what's coming you and
I don't rehearse this, so here we

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go. Well, we didn't rehearsebout. What would you like to know to

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start off with, because there's a
lot to talk about. Where do we

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want to Let's begin with decision to
Devin Haney. Your initial reaction, you

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thought it was a draw. So
are you fine with a unanimous decision where

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two judges gave it to him by
one round and one judge gave it to

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him by four rounds? Are you
fine with that? I am fine with

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Devin Haney winning the fight close.
Like you said, I thought it was

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a draw. And by the way, we discussed this many times on the

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show. What I like to refer
to it, I'm not the only one

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the so called range of acceptable scores
because not everybody's going to agree. That's

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why there's judges. That's the whole
point. It is a subjective situation.

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If everybody agreed exactly, what fun
would that be? But sometimes it gets

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the point where it's so fucking absurd. Oh there's number one, so absurd.

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Let me let me back up for
a quick second. I don't consider

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this in the top thousand controversial decisions
I've seen. I don't consider it controversial.

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You can consider Dave Moretti's is one
sixteen and one twelve score card controversial

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because it's stunk out loud and frankly
not because he scored at eight to four

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for Haney. I don't like that. I don't think I think that's a

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little outside the margin. I believe
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five either way or a draw.
That seems based on my watching the fight,

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and I rewatched it again on Sunday
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cards. Murready, who has been
a great judge for many years, it's

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probably time to put him out to
the baster because now this is the second

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week in a row he's turned in
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second week, and I grow second
big fight that they're in a row that

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he's turned in some cought garbage.
There's the scorecard that I'm gonna get to

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on this fight. He's also the
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knockdown round in Ryan Garcia against Tank
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ten, which I'm still at a
he still cannot fathom I understand the judge

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that scored the round ten to nine
in favor of of favor of Tank Davis

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because the Garcia had so dominated the
ten ten by bye mready blows my mind.

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What more blows my mind is now
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and this is why if there is
so called controversy again, it's not on

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the one sixteen one twelve, it's
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twelve. The devil's in the details. It's one thing to see a score,

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it's another thing to look at the
actual round by round scoring and find,

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you know, the gotcha round if
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I've had this conversation with my poundbacks
Kellerman many times over the years. The

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smoking gun round, if you will, the smoking gun round on Maddy's piece

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of shit squarecard is he scored the
tenth round ten nine in favor of Devin

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Haney, which and I'm looking at
the squarecard, and I still can't actually

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believe that that is the case,
because that is the single most absurd squarecard

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I've ever seen. Now, there's
rounds that are obviously close, and people

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can disagree fair enough, and that
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certain rounds that are so fucking dominant
that if you scored for the other fighter,

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you're either again to use the manacular
of my old colleague and pal Teddy

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the Alice, you're either corrupted or
you or you're or you're stupid. So

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I'm not sure which is worse.
To score the tenth round in favor of

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Devin Haney, even though I thought
he won the you know that that even

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though he on the fight and I
thought it was a draw. Overall that

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was in the entire twelve rounds,
Vassili Loomachenko had two super dominant rounds out

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of the twelve, two super dominant
rounds, no doubt about it who the

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winner of that round was. One
of them was round ten, which he

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gave to Haney, and the other
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round eleven, where again compy box
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out landed him twenty to two,
and it felt like that watching the fight.

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I actually thought it was even a
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it back. So to give Devin
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come up with one sixteen to one
twelve in his favor, that's a real

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problem. If he had scored that
round correctly, which the other two judges

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did, right I did, which
most people, as scores I saw and

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people who I respected you would have
he would have had the fight seven rounds

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to five in favor of Haney.
If he has the fight seven to five

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and it's seven to five across the
board, I don't think there'd be the

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kind of outrage is But people get
so hull up on the one Shiit squorecard

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that is sort of clouds and their
judge another viewpoint on the entire event.

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And I would say to you,
I, even though I think the card

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was bad, again not because he
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had an eight four in the way
that he arrived at eight four, How

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did he get there? Right?
How did he get to it? But

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okay, okay, here, while
we're on one of the reasons, that's

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one of the reasons why you have
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it seven rounds to five, so
no matter what Moretti's card was, but

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didn't have an impact on the result
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What do you make because we're right
here on it. What do you

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make of what Egis Kleimus said after
the fight, which is they were complaining

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privately and they didn't do this publicly, but they were complaining Wednesday. They

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were complaining three days before the fight
that they did not want Dave Moretti as

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one of the judges, and the
Vegas Commission told him, nope, we

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believe in Kleimus's words at the press
conference last night, he's one of the

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best judges we have and they were
furious on Wednesday about this judge. What

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do you make of that revelation that
we found out about after the fight?

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Well, there's there's Oftentimes you have
a particular camp that is for whatever reasons

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that they have, whether they're real
or imagine, that they don't want a

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particular judge assigned to their fight.
Same goes sometimes for certain referees to assigned

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the fights. If that referee or
judge has a past history with that fighter

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or a fighter in that manager or
promoter stable or something along those lines.

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I'm not sure particularly what egis Is
particular objection to Mareddi was. I've known

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Egas, you know, pretty much
since the day he's been in boxing.

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I'm sure that whatever his reason was, again real are perceived there, there

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was something in his mind that was
a reason he didn't arbitrarily just say I

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don't want Dave Mereddi. Maybe it's
the Davis Garcia. Maybe it's the Davis

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Garcia controversy, even though it is
a knockout and its other recent cards too,

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but he brought it up. We
did not want doubt judge. I

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mean, I'm not going to speak
for Egis s clemus, but I would

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imagine the reason is nothing to do
with Thank Davis or Ryan Garcia. That

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if we went back and we searched
past fights that involved Agas's top clients,

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whether it was previous Machenko fight or
maybe start get clov Left fight, or

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you know, Alexander Voodzik fight,
or you know any number of boxers that

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Gas has worked with over the years, there is something there that, for

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whatever reason, he did not care
for now the commission with the people should

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understand this. The Commission picks the
judges and the referees in the following manner.

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What they will do is before the
fight happens, they will present to

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both sides the pool of the possible
selections. So they'll go to the Lomachenko

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camp, they'll go to the handicamp, and then they will show their side.

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Here are the three referees we're considering. Here are like a pool of

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maybe it might be six judges were
considering, and out of those three reffs

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obviously will pick one, and out
of those six judges will pick three.

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And at that time, this again, this is weeks before the fight,

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are you know, several days or
you know, certainly within a reasonable timeframe

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where they're allowed to give their objections
and sometimes the Commission if it's if they

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take it to be reasonable, they'll
take that under consideration. And then when

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they get to the Wednesday meeting,
that jud's reference to actually make the assignments.

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It's already known what's going to happen. Pretty much, that's just sort

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of the rubber stamp and they make
those decisions. So if there was an

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objection to Dave Moreddi from theas from
Eggas Clemis and Lomachenko's camp. That would

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have been something that the Commission would
have known about, not on Wednesday.

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They would have known about that well
before Wednesday. Wednesday was just a day

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that formal assignment was made. I'm
not aware of what the rational was or

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the reason why they objected. Tom
Ready, I just said to you the

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reasons why I suspect it probably was. I don't make a lot of that.

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Dave Meready has gotten a lot of
top assignments for many, many years.

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I'm not even upset about the assignment
per se. I'm still annoyed about

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the situation that occurred in the ten
ten round. But he showed with that

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round last night. It reminded me
of the smoking gun round in quote Marks,

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you gotta go back. This is
before I was even writing about boxing

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nineteen ninety nine. Let's talk about
the round I can't remember was the fourth

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round or the third round or the
fifth round in the first fight between Evander

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Holyfield and Lennox Lewis for the undisputed
the Way title and the New Jersey Judge

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Eugenia Williams gave you know, I
believe it was holy Field a round in

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which Lennox Lewis had probably his best
round of the fight and just totally dominated

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and then because of that it ended
up being one of the reasons why that

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fight turned out to be a draw, which has gone down as literally one

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of the single worst decisions in the
history of professional boxing. The Devin Haney

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scoring and getting the close decision against
Lamachenko. It does not come in the

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same stratosphere, universe, galaxy whatsoever
compared to what happened in Holy Field against

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Lenox number one. So again back
to the scoring of that round, that's

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the problem. But I will say
in the overall scheme of things, as

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much as that round being scored in
favor of Haney stinks too high heaven,

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it didn't actually change the result of
the fight, which sometimes it can if

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there's a swing round like that.
Of course, it can also the outcome.

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But when you take the other two
judges, David Sutherland from Oklahoma who

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has worked a lot of fights recently
and the Vada and Is I think,

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based off the top of my head, done a very good job. And

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Tim Cheatham, who was one of
the best young judges in boxing in my

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opinion. He also had that fight
seven rounds to five in favor of Debon

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Haney. I don't have a problem
with that. Again, I had a

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six to six, but their work
close rounds. Bernardo Osuona, my my

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good Pala, long time colleague from
ESPN, was talking about I believe it

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was on the post fight show where
you know, and he does sort of

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what I do you take your scores
if you were putting him on paper or

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typing him into your your laptop or
whatever, and you'll make an exclamation point

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or a circle. What's the close
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had seven circles because there was that
many close grounds. So if there's that

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many close rounds, and theoretically they
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seven to five or even eight four
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I saw a couple of people whose
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Lomachenko. I don't agree with that, but I don't think that's like crazy

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talk. That's not, you know, tinfoil on your head kind of thing.

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All right, So on this subject, I had it for the Big

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Fight weekend card at seven to five, and I thought Lomachenko won the twelfth

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round. I know the Comfy Box
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I thought listen the twelfth round.
Okay, close round. I understand,

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close round, but I thought Lomachenko
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card. Just as you said,
I've rewatched it now, and once you

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once you know what's happened, it's
different. You know this. We all

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know this. Okay, so we
we we rewatch, we see what we

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see, we know what's coming.
Uh. What's interesting here is you mentioned

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Cheatham and Sutherland, and it's always
funny. I'm just saying this. I

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don't know him. Whenever you hear
the name Cheatham and it's a judge or

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somebody's supposed to be a partial,
and that's how you pronounced the name,

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It's just it reminds me of Archie
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Uh, it was either Rabinowitz,
Rabinowitz and Rabinowitz or do we cheat

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him? And how that's that's it's
lawyers. It was Tim Cheatham. Again.

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I'm sure I'm not like best buddies
with Tim Cheatham. I do know

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Tim Cheatham. We are friendly with
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in a blue moon. Uh,
you know, not about judging, but

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about because we're both boxing fans,
you know, we'll message one another once

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and again once in a blue mood. But Tim is a very knowledgeable boxing

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person. I think generally speaking,
he's done a fine job. He's been

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he's he's started on the ground level
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worked his way up and to get
these made event assignments, and he's done

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a hell of a job in my
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Sutherland both had Haney up by a
point entering the twelfth round. So and

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by the way, every boat gave
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about to say that it was everything
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because had they given it to Loma
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You have two judges that would have
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fourteen, and even if okay,
even if only one of them gave the

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round to Loma Chenco the twelfth,
then Haney wins by majority decision. He

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would have gotten two of the cards, which would be okay right now?

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Would most people would be okay with
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let me make one of their statement
here, by the way, if

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this is the case an enemy championship
fight, if the champion gets a draw,

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he keeps the title. It's like, that's part of what your benefit

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is of being the champion. You're
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if you get the drawing your record, it would still be the undisputed champ,

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even if the two judges that you
mentioned were scored that round in favor

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of Lomachenko. But again it is
subjective. That round was close enough where

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could have gone either way. There
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going that could have gone either way. There was not that many definitive rounds.

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for the tenth round in terms of
the opinion of Dave Moretti. And there

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was a couple of rounds for Haney
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where they were not dominating rounds,
but they were clearly he was the guy

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that was doing the work and the
damage. And I just but there wasn't

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a lot of close rounds. Again, I just thought, though we've always

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heard this and always talked about this, go win the last two or three

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rounds, and andre Ward was talking
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I consider the last three rounds ten, eleven, and twelve the championship

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rounds, and I thought Lomachenko was
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of those rounds. So to not
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obviously a bitter pill too. Just
is why doesn't mean shit. And the

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reason it doesn't mean shit is because
listen, Jake, if you win round

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one, tenth to nine, close, and you and the other guy wins

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the twelfth round, big, guess
what, it's still won. The one

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that's true. We'll forget. People
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understand that, but also we remember
what we see last. We also talk

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about Finnish strong. I thought it
was interesting too that Bill Haney in the

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corner was telling Devin Haney, you're
winning the fight. He told him that

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in between the ninth round, and
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in between the tenth and the eleventh, I told him the same thing that

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that was the worst. That was
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so and so there you go on
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finish strong, to put the last
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uh, you know, will the
ultimate the ultimate part of this is

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it was that close of a fight
on two of the three cards that the

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eleventh and the twelfth rounds both mattered
immensely. I'll tell you what else that

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is undeniable on this there's one fighter
and as much and I'm gonna splot back

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at you as much as you were
on me about he is he passed his

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prime? Is he at the end
of his prime? Let me ask you

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this, who looked like the fresher
fighter at thirty five years of age in

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the final three rounds of that fight. Who looked I'm not going back hold

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on, who looked like he was
back on his heels, who was scoring

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with combinations? Who was one shot
at a time? I thought Loma Chinko

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was the fresher, better fighter at
the end of the fight, and that

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surprised me a little bit that he
had more left at the at the end

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of But again, and you're talking
to the guy that had the fight,

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even whether he looked fresher and was
walking the bigger guy down at the end

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of the fight, the winning the
round is still only worth ten points,

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the same way it was when Hay
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round. It's math, it's twelve
individual fights. It doesn't matter unless're getting

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knocked down there or something to make
it ten eight. It's still going to

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be ten nine. And so the
people that are freaking out like this is

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some kind of like cosmic robbery.
This is Pernell Whittaker getting hoseable win against

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man Pachial getting robbed by by the
judges. For Tim Brown, this is

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again not even in the same stratosphere. Because even the people that think that

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Loma Chenko won I think acknowledge it
was a closest fight. No one's saying,

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well, it's one thing if you
thought Loma won ninety three and they

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gave it to the other guy seven
five, this is not that case.

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Well, Loma won a close fight. Yeah, the rounds there was like

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six or seven close rounds, and
Hainy happened to get the scorers on the

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rounds. Uh. He was the
one that for a large measure of the

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fight was making the fight. And
yes, you're right, at the end

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of the fight he maybe got a
little tired, whatever the case, or

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maybe there was some desperation from Loma
Chenco that he's the one that was coming

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forward. But even Loma Chenco,
I think I saw something where he said

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in his post fight press covers that
he thought he was winning any kind of

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backed off in the twelfth round.
And if he did that, then that

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makes him a fucking idiot, because
you don't back off in a fight like

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that and challenge, especially when you're
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So if that's the case and he
thought that was the case, he's ahead

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and he backs off in round twelve, that's just as terrible as Bill Haney's

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telling his son, you know you're
winning the fight, because it was that

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close. There was no indication there
was going to be a knockout. Neither

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guy was damaged in terms of being
dropped or were badly the injured or anything

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like that. That was a tight, tight, high level fight. I

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thoroughly enjoyed it. The bullshit about
the scoring I find to be people just

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don't have anything fucking better to do
with their time on a Sunday heading home.

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You were in there used to be

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Belfast Telegraph, tell it like it
is well, but I'll tell you but

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I'll tell you this. The lack
of accountability is another problem. We sat

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here seven days ago and talking about
Tony Weeks and the early stoppage in the

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Romero Barroso fight. This is the
same commission, the Nevada State Athletic Commission,

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that didn't make him available and basically
has no accountability, won't say anything,

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no accountability, And so now you've
got the same thing going on here.

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Where where's the accountability on this judge
that they're going to sanction him.

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I thy gonna let him still be
a judge. Where's the accountability? I

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ask out to everybody, not just
you, and what do you think of

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that? I think there should be
accountability. Now that is a totally separate

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that is wanting to have an accountability
from Dave Maddy is one thing. And

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by the way, and I'm not
like a lunatic, I don't expect there

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to be like, you know,
insane statements and lots of the discussion.

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I believe it is reasonable to allow
the commission and the judge to have a

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conversation or do whatever they do.
And it doesn't have to be on Saturday

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night or Sunday morning. You know, if it was on Monday or Tuesday,

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that'd be fine in my mind.
But here's the point though, the

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accountability and expectations of accountability as related
to that one particular squarecard, that is

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one topic for discussion, and I
agree with that there should be some accountability.

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That is different than thinking it's a
controversial decision because one squarecard seemed a

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little fishy, but the other two
were perfectly reasonable. And again, if

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you win on two scorecards, you
win in the fight, regardless of what

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the third judge says. So if
it doesn't alter the outcome, loma Chenko

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is still gonna lose the fight.
Hany's still gonna win the fight. So

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that's why it's ridiculous. The focus
of the controversy is because one card was

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eight four instead of seven to five, had Dave Moreddy had scored a tenth

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round for Haney but came up somehow
with a draw on his card, or

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seven five for Loma or seven five
for Haney, we wouldn't be having this

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conversation. Everybody would have been maybe
annoyed that they thought Loma one. But

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I think most people could reasonably accept
a Loma Chenko lost by split decision or

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Haney win by a majority decision.
They're pissed off because there was an eight

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four squarecard in a fight where it
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I'll give you an example. A
number of years ago I covered the fight

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and that's that wasn't It was a
very close fight, and that's a great

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fight. The first fight in Atlantic
City between Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez,

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tremendous battle. This is before the
rematch when he not when Paul Williams knocking

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out in the second round. In
that fight, most people would say that

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was a super close fight. They
exchanged knockdowns, great matchup, two scorecards

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where you know, extremely close.
Paul Williams ended up winning. I forget

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if it was a majority or a
really close unanimous decision. One judge including

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in a round in a fight where
Martinez knocked Paul Williams down, had it

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eleven rounds to one in favor of
Paul Williams. You don't want to talk

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about hot garbage, hot fucking garbage. That was it. That was ridiculous.

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So the result wasn't I mean,
if you thought that Pauliams one,

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fine, but there was no way
you could have that fight eleven rounds to

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one. This is sort of a
similar situation, just not nearly as wide.

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And obviously this was a fight on
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And the outrage I think is more
so because a lot of the people

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that are in the camp on this
believe Lomachenko won the fight. However,

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we get there, split decision,
unanimous decision. He deserved to have his

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hand raise, and look forget about
you and me. I mean, there

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were there were numerous numerous current fighters, I mean over and over again,

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current fighters, former great fighters,
that we're all saying the same thing.

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Lomachenko won that fight. I mean
Oscar dal la Joya, who does not

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have either one of these fighters,
is sitting ringside and he said, if

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you think that Devin Hanny won that
fight. You don't know crapola about boxing.

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Regis Progray chimes in and says,
horrible, Lomachenko won Abner Marez two

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division world champ. Who's the showtime
commentator again? They don't have anything to

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do with this. It's a top
ranked card, they're fighters. He said,

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I don't ever do this on Twitter. That that's a bad distivision world

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champion, free division world champion,
forgive me, and on and on It

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went last night with one current or
former world champion fighters saying Lomachenko won the

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fight. Forget about t J.
That's guys that have been in the ring

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and have one titles and lost titles
saying this is who won. All right?

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So let's because I want to bring
it to other things on the podcast,

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we could talk for another thirty minutes
on this. Let's bring it to

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go longer. Where do we go
from here? Because many are saying they

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should fight again, and it's complicated
because Haney may want to move up.

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Haney is now a promotional free agent. So where do we go from here?

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What is your tank on that?
Do we want to see it again?

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Do you want to see it again? Dan Raphael? I mean I

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wouldn't. I'm truggly not opposed to
a rematch. I mean, I understand

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if Haney wants to do something different. This was a mandatory fight that satisfied

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one of the organization's mandatory situation.
There was no rematch clause whether Hany won

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or Loma Chango won, so that
was fine. This would be the kind

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of fight where if there was a
rematch, it wouldn't be because there was

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something, not a piece of paper. This would because there would be public

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demand, and obviously that would mean
a financial windfall and all that. Look,

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00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:56,640
they sold a place out according to
the top rank. It was a

405
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,799
complete sell on fourteen thousand plus fourteen
four at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

406
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I am not opposed to a senior
rematch. I rather enjoyed the fight.

407
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If they wanted to do rematch,
fine. Obviously there's a built in storyline

408
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,480
to promote the fight with which is
the perceived controversy about what happened in the

409
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:14,000
first fight. And by the way, it was a good fight to watch.

410
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:15,680
If you bought it and you watched
that fight, you were having to

411
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,519
be satisfied with the action and all
that. But I doubt it's going to

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happen because Haney is I think probably
gonna move up. I mean, I

413
00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:29,519
can't say that for sure, but
there's so many other fights that he can

414
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make potentially in the weight class that
would be for similar money and give him

415
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a chance to fight somebody different.
You know, Loma had his chance,

416
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,319
and he's the one that said he
took the twelfth round off and that's his

417
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,440
fault. He was in tears after
and I kind of took that as maybe

418
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:49,640
this was my last big hurrah here
I may not get another shot like this.

419
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How did you take that when you
saw the tears in the in the

420
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,400
locker room after, well, he
explained it. I heard Christina Poncher,

421
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,799
who does a great job behind the
scenes doing the ringside reporting in the locker

422
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,319
room reporting on the top rank.
She said that that the reason is as

423
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,839
a woman had said to her that
numerous times during the pilled up to the

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00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,759
fight and on the day of the
fight, he was getting messages from his

425
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,960
son who kept saying, remember Dad, and the new and the new.

426
00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:21,160
In other words, he was expecting
to bring the belts home to his son,

427
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,119
and that the tears game because he
felt that he had disappointed his family

428
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,920
and didn't do that. And I'm
sure, look, there's a lot of

429
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,519
pressure in this situation. I mean, he kind of let it all go

430
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:33,119
at once. I mean, fighters, uh, you know, half their

431
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,839
job is to make the other fighter
in the ring think they're not hurt,

432
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:40,200
you know, hiding their emotions,
hiding their feelings. And it got to

433
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,519
a point where it sort of bubbled
over for him. And you know,

434
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:48,160
she was doing an interview with Bill
Haney as they're showing Loma Chenko sitting down

435
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,720
on the couch in the dressing room
and rubbing his eyes and breaking down,

436
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,640
and then you couldn't see who it
was, but somebody else realized that camera

437
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,480
was on him and walked over to
Loma and just tossed one of the towels

438
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,880
over his head. That was a
real kind of a rent, I wrote

439
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,240
on Twitter. That was like a
wrenching scene. I mean, you know,

440
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,680
and you got to make the point
that these guys are not robots when

441
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,039
they go in the ring. Womachenko, you know, has been like a

442
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,119
robot in terms of the way he
goes gone about taking care of his business

443
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,599
for all these years. But he's
flesh and Blood's a human being. He's

444
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:17,119
got emotions, he's got feelings.
Obviously, he was extremely disappointed. He's

445
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,559
worked very hard for this moment,
as did Dead and Hainey, and they

446
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:22,079
are people. We all have our
feelings and our emotions and it's sort of

447
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,119
spilled out. He's just happened to
take place in front of the camera as

448
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,160
opposed to in private, you know, in the locker room or in a

449
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,400
dressing room, or in his hotel
room or wherever. So I don't think

450
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,759
he's I think Womachenko is gonna still
continue to box. He didn't show any

451
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,160
reason and after last night why he
shouldn't continue to fight. He's still,

452
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:40,519
in my opinion, a great fighter
is going to be a first ballot Hall

453
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:42,480
of Famer. I've you know,
covers entire career. He's a tremendous fighter.

454
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,880
But as far as what Haney's gonna
do, you mentioned he's a free

455
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,400
agent. If he had three fight
deal with Top Rank and lou Debella,

456
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,319
that is now up here, the
two Cambos, his fights, and now

457
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,200
this fight. Um look. Top
Rank obviously has the horses for him to

458
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,400
fight. They've got guys at lightweight, They've got plenty of guys at junior

459
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,920
welter, right, if he opts
to move up, which I think he

460
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:03,200
probably would do based on his weight
making situation, but the number of opponents

461
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,720
that are out there for him that
can be made within just forget about fighting

462
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,160
a Tank Davis or a Ryan Garcia
or someboding like that that's outside of the

463
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,119
top ranked universe. I mean,
look at the guys I have in and

464
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:17,799
around the weight class. Certainly at
one hundred and forty they've got the Tiefemo

465
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,279
Josh Taylor winner or loser, depending
out the fight goes. They have still

466
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,200
Arnold Barboza, they have Jose Ramirez. I mean, they've got they've got

467
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:26,519
guys in one hundred forty pound weight
class, and at one thirty five,

468
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:30,119
obviously Loe was there. If they
wanted to do a rematch, they asked,

469
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:33,359
of course Stevenson, who was one
of the top lightweights in the world,

470
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,599
if not maybe the maybe a guy
that would be favored to beat Devin

471
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,319
Haney. Frankly, he's a mandatory
in the WBC. That's a great matchup.

472
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:44,599
Let me put this out there and
don't call me crazy. Just on

473
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,400
the surface, he's a promotional free
agent. He's the undisputed one hundred and

474
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,839
thirty five pound champ. Why don't
you figure it out with Jervonte Davis for

475
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,279
this fall at some point. Obviously
Davis in the short term has the ninety

476
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,000
day home, confinement house, asked, whatever you want to call it.

477
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:03,759
But even if you have to go
do a one off, which we've seen

478
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,599
Canelo Alvarez doing and we've seen others
doing, Even if you have to go

479
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,519
do a one off with premier boxing
champions in showtime, you have all the

480
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,799
belts, you arguably are the A
side in that fight. To negotiate right

481
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,079
now, that is not well.
But I mean, if you have all

482
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:26,440
the belts in this discussion in terms
of leverage, I mean, here's the

483
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:29,880
understand box office. I understand what
you mean on box office, but just

484
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,480
on belts. On my point here, that would be a humungous, lucrative

485
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,279
fight for Devin Haney and he's now
freedom make it, and he's got all

486
00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:42,519
the belts. You're correct, crazy
in boxing, you are the A side

487
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,559
because and I'm not. I have
nothing but respect for Devin Haney. I

488
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:51,839
love the kid money Trump's belts.
When you're dealing in the business side of

489
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,759
things, But here's the point though, they both bring something very important to

490
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,680
the party. Devin Haney brings the
hardware. He's the fucking champ, that's

491
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:04,200
right, end of the story.
And it's Givanti Davis who's the mandatory challenger

492
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,359
because he happens to have the second
tier WBA belt. So that's a mandatory

493
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,880
the same way Shakoor is a WBC
mandatory. Now, Givanta Davis, he

494
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:18,119
brings the power of the of the
economics. He's the one, along with

495
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,119
Ryan Garcia, that did a twenty
two point eight million dollars gate at the

496
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,720
Team of Arena the gate now even
though they sold out at the MGM according

497
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,400
to top Right, I haven't seen
what the gate figures are, but I'd

498
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,359
be willing to bet you that the
dollar figure. Keep in mind twenty two

499
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,680
point eight million for Tank and Ryan, the gate at the MGM for Loma

500
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:40,119
and Tiney sold out, I would
estimate would probably be under five million.

501
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:42,960
That's a big difference. It might
even be four million. That's a very

502
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,799
very big difference in must in money. Secondly, the pay per view for

503
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:52,960
Davis versus Garcia one point two million
buys the first million plus pay per view.

504
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,000
We've seen him boxing in a long
time, other than Roy Jones,

505
00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:01,039
Mike Tyson exhibition. The pay per
view for uh, Lomachenko and Haney.

506
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:04,640
Now, they're not going to announce
the numbers, but I would bet you

507
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:09,519
pretty much anything that if it's a
Grand Slam, the first number of that

508
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,200
pay per view will start with a
two, which means on a good day,

509
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:22,480
Davis versus uh, Davis versus Garcilia
did roughly a million buys more.

510
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,519
So don't talk to me about fucking
a side, because he's got the belts,

511
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:30,079
the guy that brings the money.
This is a business and a sport,

512
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,759
but business Trump's all. All I
meant that it could be done.

513
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,880
All I meant by that at one
thirty five is he could fight somebody else

514
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,319
like Shakur Stevenson and defend all of
his titles. So from a leverage standpoint,

515
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,039
he has something that Jervonte Davis would
want. He has four some things

516
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:50,720
all at once that Jervonte Davis would
want if Davis wants, I will say

517
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:55,880
this, but I'm not sure that
Davis wants them. Gervonta Davis. Again,

518
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,039
I'm not knocking his competitive spirit,
but he hasn't really shown a desire

519
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,279
and this is just is based on
the facts, not in my opinion,

520
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,519
because if he did, he would
have gone after certain other opponents. He's

521
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:12,119
not really shown much to a really
want or a hunger, let's say,

522
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,680
to have the real world title bouts. I'm not saying he wouldn't like to

523
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,319
be a champion, but for him, and this is fine, I'm not

524
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,039
knocking this. Don't take this the
wrong way. For him, it seems

525
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,880
as though making the bigger events for
the money is a bigger dealfeno. He's

526
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,279
talked about this just while we're on
this and then I promise we're moving on,

527
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,559
but he is more I'm not done
yet, but hold on. He

528
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,759
has talked though, too, about
one of the reasons he was upset with

529
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:38,880
Mayweather Promotions is that the fights became
Isaac Cruz and Roli Romero and where's the

530
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:44,319
blockbuster fight? Okay, now he's
had a blockbuster fight, kids. You

531
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,599
know this, kids, An undisputed
world title fight right now with an unbeaten

532
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:52,079
Devin Haney off of beating Lomachenko is
a blockbuster fight. To me, sitting

533
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:57,039
back hearing you say that, I
mean, that's crazy. That you wouldn't

534
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,680
want that fight if it could be
made, and the impet a mint of

535
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,400
top rank roadblock is apparently not there
for the fight to be made. If

536
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,599
Haney wants to do the one off
and come over to them at Premiere Boxing

537
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,760
Champions in showtime, they can make
that happen. I'm not saying it will

538
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,360
happen. It's I'm not I'm not
knocking that fight. I'd love to see

539
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,800
that fight. I think that would
be a fantastic fight, and I hope

540
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,599
that Devin Haney gives out a lot
of thought and maybe he goes to talk

541
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:24,320
to them about the possibility. But
it takes two to tango and Davis is

542
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,880
gonna want to do the fight.
Also, they're gonna and they're not gonna

543
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,280
be able to listen. We've discussed
this at length before. Ryan Garcy ate

544
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,639
a lot of shit to make that
fight happen. I know Devin Haney also.

545
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,239
And while Devin Haney may have an
intellectual understanding that Tank brings a little

546
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,719
more or a lot more more,
frankly, in terms of the dollars and

547
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,400
cents he brings the titles. Ryan
didn't bring titles to their fight, but

548
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,400
Haney does bring a lot, So
you're not gonna be able to push Haney

549
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,079
around in the in the boardroom the
way they were able to push Ryan Garcia

550
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:53,960
around. He wanted this fight.
You're gonna have to treat the Devin Haney

551
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,239
a little bit differently. He's not
gonna eat as much shit as Ryan did.

552
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,480
That's number one. Number two.
If you're and Haney, you basically

553
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:05,840
had the walk year that Aaron Judge
had. Aaron Judge was going to be

554
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,760
a free agent, he said all
the records with the or the American League

555
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,039
home run record, had you know, one of the great single season in

556
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:15,639
the Major League Baseball history, and
became the MVP, and and had bet

557
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:19,559
On himself turned out a big giant
contract New York hank in the spring training

558
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,840
of that season, and then you
know ended up getting like whatever one hundred

559
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,360
million dollars plus more in the contract. Well, Devin Haney did boxing's equivalent

560
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,920
because he'd just beat Lomachenko. He
previously went to Australia twice and became undisputed

561
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,880
and defended the title, and here
you now have a unite at a unified,

562
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,719
undisputed lightweight world champion, American undefeated
fighter now a free agent only twenty

563
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,320
four years old, who fights in
the lightweight division, which is loaded,

564
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,920
definitely can fight in the junior welterweight
division, which is loaded, and now

565
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,039
he can go where he wants to
go. So he has a tremendous amount

566
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:55,159
of leverage. And it would seem
to me that every promoter top rank included

567
00:35:55,599 --> 00:36:00,800
the Natchroom Boxing Golden Boy Frank gar
a PBC. I mean, you pick

568
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,039
pick one of the top, you
know, the top tier promoters in the

569
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,599
sport, you'd think they would all
be chasing that after this kid, he

570
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:09,840
can sit back and see what happens. He's obviously not going to fight obviously

571
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,559
for a few months and take a
little rest. But he is sitting in

572
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:15,559
the cowbird seat unhappy for him,
you know. And this is not a

573
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:19,760
kid that came out. This is
not a guy that came into the pros

574
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,119
with a big bonus out of the
Olympics and was coddled by a promoter and

575
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:28,320
featured in four rounders on TV and
had all the trappings of a bonus baby,

576
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,719
if you will, a first round
draft pick. This was a kid

577
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,760
who with his father, did things
the hard way. After a really nice

578
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,480
amateur career but not one that ultimately
ended up in the Olympics, went to

579
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,159
Tijuana, Mexico and fought and bars
for like a few hundred dollars and he

580
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,480
and they built this themselves. And
you have to give Devin and his father

581
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,559
Bill credit. They saw this,
they built it, They believed in themselves.

582
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,599
They created their own company. They
got a wonderful break from our friends

583
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:52,719
at Showtime, Gordon Hall, who
put them on show Box and helped him

584
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,920
get some mainstream exposure. He parlayed
that to a big deal with match Room

585
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,280
Boxing, who gave him a bunch
of fights for a lot of money.

586
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,800
He was able to win a world
title a Lomachenko walked away from a mandatory

587
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,360
to fight Tifimo Lopez. Instead,
he defended the title, defended the title,

588
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:09,239
and now finally he gave loma Chenko
the shot. He's now made eight

589
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,519
title defenses, he's undisputed, has
made two undisputed title defenses, and like

590
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:15,760
I said, he's twenty four,
he's undefeated, and he's got the world

591
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,360
at his feet. He's gonna make
the shipload of the money next and whether

592
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,039
it can get a deal done with
the Javata Davis, or he goes to

593
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:23,519
a Ryan Garcia, or he stays
with Top Ring and does the TV femo

594
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:28,000
a Taylor winner, or he gives
Lomachenko a rematch, or whatever. He's

595
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,679
in a wonderful position. I'm gonna
finish up by simply saying, David Ready

596
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,960
Square cards stunk out loud because of
the tenth round, but I don't consider

597
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,960
the overall result to be controversial at
all. I scored a draw. I

598
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,960
got no problem with Haney having his
hand raised. Fair enough. All right,

599
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:45,760
we'll move on rest of the top
ranked card. We will talk about

600
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:51,599
Shantell Cameron's upset win over Katie Taylor, and then a little news and a

601
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:53,760
little Instaligia before we're done. Rest
of the top ranked card, where just

602
00:37:53,880 --> 00:38:00,599
to run it down, win for
Oscar Valdez by decision, win for Raymond

603
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:02,559
Murataya, who you talked a lot
about on the preview, by stoppage,

604
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:07,400
which here we go again where that
to me looked like a premature stoppage,

605
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:15,199
and earlier in the evening, Juneto
Nakatani ends up dominating Andrew Maloney for the

606
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,079
WBO Superplyweight title and a devastating knockout, which we will get into a scary

607
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:22,559
situation with that knockout. So give
me more on the undercard fights. What

608
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:25,320
do you like off the buffet?
Go okay? Well, if you go

609
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,079
down to the co feature, which
was Oscar Valdez, I thought it was

610
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,280
the perfect kind of fight to get
him ready for the was probably gonna be

611
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,239
the August championship opportunity against Emmanuel Navarette. Remember they were supposed to fight in

612
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,519
February, but Valdez was injured and
he ended up not doing the fight and

613
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:43,400
we saw a Navarette instead fight the
replacement for the vacant title against I was

614
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,599
trying to be a great fight against
Liam Wilson from Australia. Valdez watched the

615
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:49,480
ringside knowing he's gonna have a comeback
fight, shake off the rust, make

616
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:51,639
sure his injury is good, and
they're going to fight this summer, and

617
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,320
fighting Adam Lopez was the perfect kind
of fight. I thought, you know,

618
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:57,800
I don't I know that Oscar didn't
want the year off. It was

619
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,960
caused largely because of the injury,
but I think the year off thirteen months

620
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,559
did him good. He looked recharge, he looked refreshed. He looked sharp,

621
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,559
his jab was snappy, he had
good movement, his punches were all

622
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:09,920
there. I mean, obviously he's
fighting Adam Lopez, not an elite fighter,

623
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,519
but Lopez is a tough as nail's
guy. They had fought once before

624
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:16,000
in twenty nineteen on short notice,
when Lopez moved up the cart into the

625
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:21,000
main event and scored a knockdown in
that fight, ultimately got a stoppage.

626
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,400
But in this right look, he
dominated. He won like you know,

627
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:28,280
eight of the rounds, probably in
the ten, got in the good work,

628
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:30,039
shook off the rust. It was
a it was a good one sided

629
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:35,239
fight to watch. Lopez is a
very tough kid, and so Oscar is

630
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,800
now moving on to the world title
fighter. So this was like the perfect

631
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,320
sort of way to do that.
You know, a big spot, solid

632
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,360
opponent, a guy that you know
that he was able to handle. I

633
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,880
thought, look sharp, seemed to
come away with no problems, no injuries.

634
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:49,719
And you know, I expect top
rank and then never at people and

635
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,039
dal does to get this done,
and we're gonna see a tremendous battle between

636
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:57,199
those two guys. Come now you
talk about the moratime fight. He was

637
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,039
stepping up. He's a lightweight Robert
Garcia train stepping up against Jeremiah Jeremiah Akatia.

638
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:06,199
From that Nidia, who has thought
some good guys and experience and has

639
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:08,639
a lot of fights under his belt, had pretty much ended the craveman Guilbert

640
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:15,400
Shelt, you know in his previous
two fights ago. And you say that

641
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,960
you think that was premature. All
I know is this, Raymond Martie hit

642
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,480
him with the right hand. I
believe it was forced him into the corner,

643
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:22,000
had him hurt bad on the one
shot, and then proceeded and I

644
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:24,480
went back in counter. I believe
it was eight unanswered punches, all eight

645
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:27,880
of which landed, and his head
was rocked around with a rag. Though,

646
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:30,920
and to call that a premium store
premature stoppage, to me is just

647
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:35,519
bizarre. That was a stoppage that, if anything, I thought it could

648
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:37,320
have been stopped. The punch before
it was stopped. The guy was badly

649
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,599
hurt. He threw a cross in
the corner, he threw a punch back,

650
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,559
and he hadn't been knocked down.
And look, we agree eight unanswered

651
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:52,639
punches. I would rather see it
stopped a punch sooner than a punch later,

652
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,639
we're gonna get to that with Nakatani
coming up. But to me,

653
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,920
he hadn't been knocked down. You
know what, we have never discussed this

654
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,440
in a year of doing these.
I've talked to you like more than I've

655
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,519
talked to my wife in the last
year. What's wrong with me in a

656
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,760
year of doing these. We are
both contemporaries and we're old enough. Whatever

657
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,480
happened to the standing eight count?
Whatever happened to I know, whatever happened

658
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:19,159
to jumping between a guy that's getting
belted along the ropes but isn't down and

659
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,880
saying, Okay, I'm gonna give
you the count of eight like it's a

660
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,039
knockdown. I'm gonna evaluate you,
and I'm gonna give you one more chance

661
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:29,320
here and then I'm going to stop
the fight that used to exist, that

662
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:34,800
doesn't exist anymore. I understand that
it's not in the rule book. I

663
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,000
understand that most of them have been
done away with it. But this was

664
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:42,599
a perfect example where those could This
is a perfect example where he had not

665
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,840
been knocked down, where if you
gave him a standing eight, you could

666
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,079
evaluate him and maybe you just stop
the fight while you're giving him the eighth,

667
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:51,199
but there's no reason to try.
You either stop the fight or you

668
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,000
let it go. If you if
you feel it's enough, if the guy's

669
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:55,920
not on his ass and you feel
like it's a time to step in,

670
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,119
you're not stepping into a value.
You're stepping into stop. Okay, can

671
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,800
fight. One more point on this, because we love going back and forth.

672
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:07,000
Nakatia throws a punch right as the
referee jumps between him, and Nakatia

673
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:12,480
is immediately protesting, So he's not
that incoherent where he's on the verge of

674
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:15,880
getting seriously hurt. If A he's
throwing a punch and b he's protesting one

675
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,400
second after the fight's being waved off. That's all I'm saying is that there

676
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:24,800
wasn't a knockdown to me, and
it wasn't obvious he's in imminent danger.

677
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,480
Of what we saw in the Nakatani
fight, I thought he was coming in

678
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:31,840
danger just because he was able to
get a half as week punchback. He

679
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:36,880
was absolutely getting his clock clean.
He'd been staggered by a right hand,

680
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:39,519
He'd been hit seven or eight times
cleanly. He stayed up on his speed

681
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:43,280
fair enough. The standing account does
not exist. If you're going to step

682
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,679
in, you stop it and you're
out of valuating. And to me,

683
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,079
it was the right stoppage. He
was gonna get badly hurt in my opinion,

684
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,400
and I thought Martia, he went
next for him, and he did.

685
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,519
He made it. What's next.
He's the first guy to stop the

686
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:58,280
man now, Maritaia, I love
the audacity, he said in the interview

687
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,760
after the fight. I want the
winner of the main event. Obviously that's

688
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,320
not going to happen. But I
like the kids. Uh. I like

689
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:07,519
his He's not aiming low. He's
looking at the top. So tomorrow I

690
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:12,679
don't know if that's happening either.
Look, I've been a fan of Retia

691
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,760
for a long time. He's cut
in and under the radar prospect for top

692
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,800
rank because he wasn't a kid that
came in with these you know, crazy

693
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:24,199
glittering amateur uh credentials. He's not
a big or at least he hasn't been

694
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,400
a big, outspoken kind of guy. Uh. He just goes in there.

695
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,599
He looked a little inconsistent at times
in some certain fights, even though

696
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:34,440
he was winning. But I feel
like now that with that kind of victory

697
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,679
against Zach Solid of an opponent,
you're gonna start seeing him on television in

698
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,880
the main card, like in the
opener, Let's say, over the next

699
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,480
couple of fights, and look,
he fights in a great division also at

700
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:45,280
lightweight, I think the top rank
of you know, with the advisement of

701
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,000
Robert Garcia, who does a great
job getting his guy's already, uh,

702
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:51,679
the kids, he's going places.
It seems like he's gonna be right in

703
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,280
the thickest things in a great division. That seems over the next you know,

704
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,840
a couple of years, all right. Nakatani from Japan remains unbeaten,

705
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,639
wins the WBO one hundred and fifteen
round title over a game and probably two

706
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:07,079
game for his own good Andrew Maloney
of Australia. So we built this up

707
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,639
that he was trying to join his
brother and win a world championship seven days

708
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:15,079
apart from his brother Jason winning the
week before in Stockton, California, winning

709
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:19,880
the one hundred and eighteen pound w
BO title. Impressive win for Nakatani,

710
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:25,079
a fight that he was pulling away
in the final rounds in delivering punishment in

711
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:30,320
I really thought and I'm not I'm
joking around here, half joking around.

712
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,480
I had the nakatani ko prop and
I was fully ready to send you the

713
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:36,639
text message whenever they stopped it.
So you know that because you had him

714
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:39,679
on decision on our bet Us show. But I thought, I thought,

715
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,039
in the eleventh round, this could
have been over because he's way ahead.

716
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,800
He's obviously way ahead. His own
corner, Maloney's own corner, was contemplating,

717
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,800
let's just in this, especially if
you don't show me something. And

718
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:59,559
then the booming punch happens in the
final thirty seconds that lays Andrew Maloney out,

719
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:02,360
and I was scared. I was
scared that this was serious stuff.

720
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,440
Your thoughts please, well, I
understand the corner. You know they were

721
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,639
a little torn on it. I
mean, Maloney he was losing, no

722
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,079
doubt about it, and you know
he's never been a big puncher, so

723
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:15,920
you have to sort of think about
that. Does he really have a legitimate

724
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,320
chance to go out there with the
you know what they call the one hit

725
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,519
or quitter in the last round would
seem unlikely. But I also know that,

726
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,519
you know, Maloney had made such
a big thing about it's twenty years

727
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:29,559
I've been working for this, it's
a third chance at the title. Is

728
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,599
he gonna get a fourth of you
loses? Unlikely. Uh, there's such

729
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:35,519
a big part of the story,
like you mentioned about joining twin brother Jason

730
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,880
potentially as also or a champion within
a week of each other, that that

731
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,880
may have tugged them a little bit. I can't blame them that much.

732
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,280
I mean, he guess I could. I wouldn't have been upset if it

733
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,159
was stopped. I didn't think it
was over the line where they couldn't send

734
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:51,480
him out and he was. He
was losing, but he was still hanging

735
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,400
in there, and there was like
I said, there was only twenty seconds

736
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,079
left in the round. And you
know, you got to give Knockatani credit

737
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:59,079
because this was a man who just
did not want to lead without the KO.

738
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,320
He was a end us a puncher. As a flyweight champion, he

739
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,559
certainly showed he still has the power
at junior band away with his victory.

740
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,239
He's twenty four years old, he's
ndefeated. I think we're gonna be hearing

741
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,920
about Nakatani for the next few years
as as a predominant figure in that weight

742
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,800
class or you know, in those
in and around those weight classes. He's

743
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,239
a he's a handful. He's gonna, he's gonna. We're gonna maybe look

744
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,239
back and say, losing a Nakatani, it ain't so bad if you're Jayson

745
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,880
Mooney, you know, sometimes lost
his age better as they go along.

746
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,760
A lot of people may not know
Nakatani today, but I think a couple

747
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,079
of years from now they may look
back and say, well, you know,

748
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,519
Maloney had a good career. He
lost in Nakatani. Nothing wrong with

749
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:37,360
that. Um, I feel bad
Maloneia. There's such nice people, that

750
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,400
whole team. Yep. Um it
kind of has to tug at your heart

751
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,440
about that. But Nakatani then he
got the job done. It's the hurt

752
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,000
business and uh he puts him hurt
on and he carried out the business.

753
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,719
And uh, you know, I'm
glad Maloney's okay. He did get taken

754
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,360
to the hospital. He was released
after observation, just to get checked out.

755
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:58,960
So thank thankfully he's okay. That's
gonna be a very long and this

756
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:02,480
is confirmed by top rank. He
had two perforated ear drums. And I

757
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:06,239
don't know if all of that was
the accumulation or some of it was the

758
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,719
knockout blow as well. Uh.
It was just brutal there in that moment,

759
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,360
a brutal reminder that the sport can
be. It was scary. I

760
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,000
was fearing that he was seriously hurt
and rightfully so uh there, and I'm

761
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:22,800
glad where he related that he's not
seriously hurt. So absolutely. Listen a

762
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,840
couple of things about that. Number
One, it's definitely even with what six

763
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,599
months and change left in the ear, one hundred percent will be at least

764
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:30,880
in the conversation for knock got to
the ear, if not the right winner,

765
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,840
I would think that's the first thing. Number Two, I'm thrilled he's

766
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,400
okay. Uh hopefully, Um,
you know, if he decides to make

767
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,639
a comeback, I'm not sure what
what the route is because, like I

768
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:43,360
said, he's lost now three World
Championship fights in his career. It's it's

769
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,000
not the most common thing to get
a fourth. Uh you know. So

770
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:47,599
the family, on the one hand, they're thrilled that Jason got his title.

771
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:52,639
Uh obviously not so happy about what
happened with Andrew. But it's a

772
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:55,480
tough loss. There's no doubt it's
a big setback for his career. Um.

773
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,519
But you gotta you gotta admire the
heart. That's all you can say.

774
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:04,039
The guy, he went in there
with the termination. He's a real

775
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:07,400
professional. He tried to guide himself
through the fight as best as possible and

776
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,400
stave off that because I thought maybe
the way that he was taking shots,

777
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,199
I thought maybe that fight didn't get
knocked down earlier in the fight too.

778
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:15,159
He did. He got knocked down
the second round of the fight. It

779
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,079
could have been over quick. I
thought I was gonna be over maybe inside

780
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:21,360
the first few rounds. And you
know, you got to give him credit

781
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,440
for hanging in there. But the
you know, the that's what happens you

782
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,719
get the later, the later rounds
and the and the there's that separation between

783
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,599
the guys that are just really good
pros and the guys that are better than

784
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:37,599
just really good. Makatani showed that. So that was a good, entertaining,

785
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:39,400
one sided fight that was not on
the pay per view but the final

786
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:44,280
bout on the regular part of the
ESPN show. And it just goes to

787
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,440
show you that even though the junior
bandonmweight division, which had you know,

788
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:51,559
it's galaxy of little stars for a
while there with chuckle Tito Gonzalez and mon

789
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:57,159
Francisco Estrada and Carlos Squadross and surround
said they were like the four horsemen,

790
00:48:57,199 --> 00:48:59,840
so to speak, of the flyweight
and junior bandoweight division for a while.

791
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,760
You know, Nakatani at age twenty
four brings some new exciting blood into that

792
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,800
weight class as he's now moved up
from flyweight. Maybe around for a while

793
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,320
and we'll see what Maloney does,
all right, So we put that to

794
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:15,519
bed the ESPN top ranked show with
the world title fights there. Let's move

795
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,840
on to earlier in the day,
our time in Ireland and the Matchroom Boxing

796
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,400
Show, the homecoming of Katie Taylor, who had never fought professionally despite being

797
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:29,880
an Irish gold medalist in the Olympics
and being the undisputed Ladies lightweight champion.

798
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,760
She moves up to one hundred and
forty pounds and fights the undisputed one hundred

799
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,920
and forty pound champion, Shantell Cameron
of England, and Cameron was the better

800
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,679
fighter. Now I have to confess
to you that here we go with our

801
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,039
personal lives, pull the veil back
a little bit. I was with my

802
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:47,920
family at a graduation party at the
time of the year right now, there

803
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,639
are a lot of high school and
college graduations going on in the US.

804
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,480
I was at a graduation party of
a family friend's son, so I was

805
00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:01,000
not able to sit there Ray Faeld
and riveted look at Taylor Cameron while it

806
00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:06,280
was happening. I obviously read the
recaps. I obviously saw the highlights.

807
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,679
I've now rewatched the fight. After
it is over with us we go to

808
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,400
talk about again. I put this
out there for me that taints you greatly

809
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,840
as far as I'm concerned, I
already know what happens. I already know

810
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,000
who won. You're trying to watch
and evaluate. So there's my part of

811
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:22,320
this. But I thought Cameron did
enough to win the fight surprisingly and take

812
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:29,199
the decision in Taylor's home country.
Your thoughts and how surprised are you that

813
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,760
she was able to go in there
and get a decision over Katie Taylor.

814
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,639
Well, I'm glad the judges didn't, you know, do anything crazy like

815
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,519
like we've seen in so many other
fights. Look personally, I mean,

816
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:39,400
it was a weird day. I
had, Like I said, I had

817
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:45,199
the the Haini Loomchanko fight, a
draw. I had the Taylor in Toronto

818
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,199
Taylor Toronto, Taylor and Cameron a
fight a draw. Also, I had

819
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:51,840
a ninety five, which one was
the same score that one of the judges

820
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,519
had ye and the other two judges
had at ninety six to ninety four.

821
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:57,679
It was also a very close fight. You know, could just shade one

822
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,079
round the other way for Cameron and
make the winner on my card, Yeah,

823
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,679
for sure. So I'd have a
problem with with the scorecard giving her

824
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,960
the close call. Look, it
just goes to show you that if Katie

825
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:14,000
Taylor can lose the national treasure of
Ireland, her long awaited Irish homecoming where

826
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:16,360
she had never fought before for reasons
that are out of her control since she's

827
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,719
been a professional in twenty and sixteen
as one of the most decorated athletes in

828
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,639
Irish history, and she finally comes
home and everything is there for her to

829
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,880
win, and it's a close fight, and it's a great fight, and

830
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,440
she doesn't get the call, and
nobody's claiming like robbery or controversy. Even

831
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:37,360
Katie very classy and defeat the judges
for all we rip on them and bust

832
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,440
their balls about how bad they do
in certain situations. He had to tip

833
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,920
your hat. The judges did a
good job in this particular fight. And

834
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:46,719
by the way, the judges could
have easily gone the other way and scored

835
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,760
for Serranto against Katie Taylor when they
had their big fight at the Madison Square

836
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,039
Garden in New York around this time
last year. So, as I've said,

837
00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:57,480
sometimes you're the win shield, sometimes
you're the bug. And so in

838
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:00,360
this particular case, Katie lost a
close call. She does have a rematch

839
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,280
clause, they indicated in the interviews
afterwards her and her promoter Eddie Hearn,

840
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,000
it will exercise that rematch clause,
will probably see this fight come the fall

841
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,360
time period, and we'll do it
again in Dublin. What it does,

842
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,639
though, is that the biggest loser
in that scenario, besides Taylor losing her

843
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:20,280
her perfect record and not winning the
undisputed one forty til to become an undisputed

844
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,599
champion simultaneous, say into weight classes, the big loser as a man's toronto,

845
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:25,480
because she was kindably gonna get the
rematch in the fall. And now

846
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:30,159
the attention will turn to Katie Taylor
having this rematch against Chantel Cameron. It

847
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,800
was a great fight. I maybe
wasn't the same level of excitement and action

848
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,360
and intensity as her fight with Toronto. But this was a outstanding fight,

849
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,159
you know, women's fight of the
year type of fight. I thoroughly enjoyed

850
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:45,840
it. And I have to say, uh, you know, I like

851
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,880
Katie Taylor on a personal level.
She's a very nice and humble person.

852
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:53,719
I thought she handled the defeat as
well as you could possibly handle. She

853
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:57,400
she was like, I'll see you
again. But she gave her credit.

854
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,239
She didn't cry, she didn't moan. You know, she took like a

855
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,960
man. She was a pro.
She was a propro, she was a

856
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,639
sportsman. After it was over.
Interesting, the three judges in the fight

857
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:14,280
where all foreign in that two of
them were from the United States. Patrick

858
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:20,280
Morley had the fight even Craig Metcalfe
of Canada and Raoul Kayez of the US

859
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,199
had at ninety six ninety four,
so they weren't ultimately overly influenced by Katie

860
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:30,400
Taylor and her coming back. And
I'm just looking at their scorecards, um,

861
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,920
just for this. In that final
round, they all three gave the

862
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:39,039
final round to Katie Taylor. It
was an action packed final round. They

863
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:43,400
all three gave it to Katie Taylor. But it didn't matter on two cards

864
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,199
because on two cards Cameron was up
by two points. It did matter on

865
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,679
the third card to make the fight
a draw. For what it's worth.

866
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,039
In the ten round flight, I
thought Katie was having to get her way

867
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,480
back into the fight. So,
like you said, whatever happened in that

868
00:53:54,599 --> 00:54:00,880
round twelve, Uh, they work
round tend rather Yeah, that Katie was

869
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,760
not gonna be able to get enough
to actually pull ahead. Uh. You

870
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,199
never know. If it was a
twelve round five like men's championship fights are,

871
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,760
maybe that wouldn't have been the case. But look, it was a

872
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,360
great fight. Um, you know
the great fighters lose. It's now it's

873
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,960
about Ken you see, he can
come back. And by the way,

874
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,800
you got to be thrown for a
Chantel Cameron. Keep in mind this was

875
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,159
supposed to be Katie Taylor of in
Toronto. Katie Taylor ended up not fighting

876
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:23,239
saronos Ronto with jewf an injury,
and as we discussed in the pre fighting

877
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,280
and I talked about it with Katie
in the interview I had with her that's

878
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,239
on the on the preview podcast,
she very politely clawed out Shantel Cameron on

879
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:31,840
social media. She very politely asked
Addie Hearn to try to make the fight.

880
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:36,039
A few days later, they actually
amazingly made this fight that can never

881
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:37,199
happen. It seems like in men's
box, in the way the politics and

882
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:42,440
the nonsense goes on. And Cameron
so got the call pretty much not expecting

883
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,639
it, said final, I'll come
fight you when you're in your homecoming into

884
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:47,239
the Lions Dead of Ireland. She
went out there. She put on a

885
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,639
great fight the pressure that she applied. Now, Katie Tayler is an action

886
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,039
fighter. She comes forward, she
throws a ton of punches, and she's

887
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:58,639
a very aggressive, a very aggressive
fighter. Chantel Cameron made her look lack

888
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:00,199
of days ago. She just out
like a ball of fire and just never

889
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,280
stopped pressing her. She used her
size or length. She's got a good

890
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,000
chin. She took a lot of
heavy shots from from Katie Taylor. One

891
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:12,199
thing I realized also, and I've
never really had like a super strong opinion

892
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,119
about whether win's gonna be two minutes
or three minutes, but I was watching

893
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:19,960
this particular fight and it struck me
like just when the action was really starting

894
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,360
to get going at a high level, somebody the bellow ringing it's over.

895
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,280
So whoever has maybe the edge,
whether whichever woman it did, that that

896
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:30,760
edge doesn't last because the round is
suddenly over. And I think that might

897
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,280
be a reason why we've seen somebody
these women's fights lend themselves to such good

898
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,760
action because they only last two minutes
and not taking damage for that last minute.

899
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,360
Obviously, the fights are much shorter, and even if you are hurt,

900
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:44,920
you suddenly the round ends and you
got that time to recover, as

901
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,639
it was to taking another period of
time where you're getting beat on for prolonged

902
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:51,639
another ten seconds, thirty seconds,
forty seconds, a minute, whatever.

903
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:55,320
But look, it was a great
fight. Everybody was handled themselves like professionals.

904
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:59,519
Cameron gets Now, look, Cameron, you gotta give the woman credit.

905
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:05,079
Now she is eighteen and oh with
the undisputed junior welteraway titles. She's

906
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:07,960
coming off now a huge victory against
Katie Taylor, one of the biggest names

907
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,239
in women's boxing history. Prior to
that which she became undisputed, she had

908
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,519
retained two doubts, had won the
other two that were vacant. She'd beat

909
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:20,400
Jessica McCaskill, who had been the
undisputed welterweight champion. It would dropped down

910
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:23,480
in a wait to challenge her,
and Cameron beat her non controversial. That

911
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:27,280
was a fight card that took place
in the Middle East, so she now

912
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,840
has it and backed back wins.
She's beaten two of the best pound for

913
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,360
pound women's boxers in the world,
Jessica McCaskill, who was a bigger woman,

914
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,119
and Katie Taylor, who was as
decorated as a fighter as there has

915
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:43,119
been. So Cameron, She's not
the headline because it was more about Katie

916
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,480
Taylor was homecoming, but Cameron was
there in the ring two doing her job,

917
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:49,719
so she put on a great show. I can't wait for the rematch.

918
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:52,480
I'll be watching and I look forward
to it. We look forward to

919
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,639
seeing what's gonna happen there in those
ladies fights. By the way, quick

920
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,519
note that when we previewed things,
and we've been talked on our beat Us

921
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:02,599
show a little bit about this fight, it looked like that we were going

922
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:07,280
to get a Terry Harper Cecilia break
Who's fight, and this is very odd

923
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:12,000
and very rare, but break Who's
woke up Saturday morning with what she described

924
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:16,760
as the flu as fever, sore
throat, sore ear, respiratory problems and

925
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:22,360
said I can't fight. So Terry
Harper unable to defend her title. They

926
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,599
went into scramble mode on what can
we do and we should say to the

927
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:30,280
audience as we now released this podcast. Mattchroom Boxing announced on Sunday night that

928
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:36,559
she will be fighting this coming weekend
in Manchester. Fascinating dynamic that Terry Harper

929
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:42,559
will now fight. I beIN a
Habbazin, who is a former championship fighter,

930
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,360
a championship challenger. She lost to
Claressa Shields a couple of years ago

931
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,400
in a world title fight. So
they've scrambled together put that fight to here.

932
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,000
This is one interesting dynamic. Dan
They made weight, so then obviously

933
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,199
for Terry Harper, she could rehydrate, eat a bunch of food, get

934
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,599
ready for the fight, and suddenly
on Saturday you're told there is no fight,

935
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,840
but there's potentially a fight next Saturday, and you've got to literally maybe

936
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,559
knock off five pounds or seven pounds
or something like that. Again, that

937
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:14,159
is a fascinating dynamic. But good
on match Room to find an opponent and

938
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,400
because of the timing and the schedule. She can now fight in Manchester on

939
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:22,079
the undercard of the Mauricio Laura Lee
Wood Fight and match Room did announce tonight

940
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:27,880
right before we began with the podcast. That will be the opponent. That

941
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:30,000
rarely happens. You've done this for
a long time, that rarely happens on

942
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:34,079
a day of a fight. Illness
sudden. I mean, I can't think

943
00:58:34,159 --> 00:58:36,000
one off top of my head,
but I know that definitely it has happened.

944
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:39,760
Is we've seen it with COVID nineteen
in the twenty twenty and twenty twenty

945
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:44,400
one where suddenly somebody's got COVID nineteen
on the day before a fight or the

946
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,360
week of the fight, but a
lot of times on the day of the

947
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,960
fight, it is highly unusual.
That's the phrase. I know. I

948
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:52,719
know what a big opportunity that was
for Cecilia Ricus, who has been a

949
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,679
great fighter for so many years,
a future Hall of Famer without a doubt,

950
00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,360
looking to move up to one fifty
four and become a two division ambien

951
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:04,840
and h you know, hopefully hopefully
she gets better and hopefully, depending on

952
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,960
what happens with Terry on the Leewood
on the rematch undercard with Laura and Wood.

953
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:13,239
You know, hopefully they can either
reschedule the fighters, Cecilia can get

954
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:16,559
a shot if Terry loses to Hobbazon
or or some other one of the title

955
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:21,760
holders out there. But Cecilia Breakcost
has been you know, she she's not

956
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,480
necessarily of this year because she's a
little bit older and she lost her titles

957
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:30,679
to McCaskill. But before the age
of McCaskill and Katie and Cameron and Claressa

958
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:36,639
Shields and Savannah Marshall and Bomb Gardner
and Micaelamar and all the young uh and

959
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,360
top women that we see around now, breakkhost was that dominant before them.

960
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,920
So I hope she gets another opportunity. She's been a credit to boxing for

961
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,079
a long time. It is interesting
just in his whole dynamic. And then

962
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:51,719
we're gonna move on. So they
were having a charity five k road race

963
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:53,960
and Eddie Hearne was participating. Rayfiel, you know where I'm going with is

964
00:59:54,039 --> 01:00:00,159
Eddie Herne was participating in the Saturday
five k road race when suddenly he got

965
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:04,239
a notification, Hey, this is
an emergency. We need to talk to

966
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,199
you. Okay, I'm now stopping
in the five K. It's not a

967
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:10,559
competitive thing. He's just out there
getting some exercise. And there were thousands

968
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:14,639
that participated in this five K,
this charitable thing from match Room Boxing.

969
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:19,440
So one of the first things they
tried to determine is how sick is Cecilia,

970
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:22,880
And if Cecilia thinks she can recover
in a day or so, can

971
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:28,639
she maybe fight next Saturday? If
we do this in Manchester, can we

972
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,719
leave it on? And the word
back quickly was she feels awful. She

973
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:36,039
cannot get out of bed, as
you saw on that social media posting,

974
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,480
and she is liable to be sick
for several days. She cannot fight.

975
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:42,920
She cannot even fight next weekend.
So now they went into full scramble mode.

976
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,880
Find an opponent, blah blah,
there you go, and maybe Brakcos

977
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,239
will be the opponent down the road. For the reason you mentioned, all

978
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,360
right, one more fighter and fight
you want to mention is Jose Felix on

979
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:54,679
that same card stood out to you
give me something real quick on that.

980
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,960
Well it wasn't I mean Felix.
Jose Felix, who was a long time

981
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,960
I'M top ranked fighter who they had
high hosts for you know, he's become

982
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,880
more of a journeyman in recent times, and I just hope that if Eddie

983
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:12,440
hern is trying to keep his young
fighters from being beaten, don't bring over

984
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:16,159
the Mexican ringers, because he's had
too many guys recently that he's had brought

985
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:21,119
over Mexicans and gotten his young guys
bumped up. But Jose Felix, the

986
01:01:21,199 --> 01:01:23,840
old war horse, was a big, big underdog against what a lot of

987
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,440
people thought was one of the best
young lightweights out there. We talked about

988
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,559
how deep the lightweight division is,
and it's the same way at the championship

989
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:32,360
level as it's been at the prospect
level, where you've got guys like off

990
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,960
Top I had Keyshan Davis for example, and some of the good young lighter

991
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:40,280
lightweights Raymond mor Tie we talked about. But in Ireland, Gary Culley was

992
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,840
one of those type of prospects,
good amateur background, sixteen and ozh ten

993
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,880
knockouts. He had signed not that
long ago with Matchrom Boxing. He had

994
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:52,719
gotten one win and looked good doing
so against a good experience, undefeated guy.

995
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:54,639
Now he gets match up with Felix, who's supposed to maybe get him

996
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:59,639
some competition getting some rounds, but
certainly Colley's supposed to look look impressive and

997
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:02,400
win the fight. What happens,
jose Felix didn't read the script he got.

998
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:06,559
He knocked Gary Cully down and beat
him up and knocked him out in

999
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,440
the third round, very impressively.
You had him with no legs and just

1000
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:10,960
just just take care of me.
I lost two in a row. He

1001
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,440
had lost a bunch of fights over
the last few years, and uh,

1002
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,039
you know what, you gotta be
happy when the when the guy like that

1003
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:20,440
springs the upset. So hopefully Colley
can come back. He's the exciting,

1004
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,960
an interesting personality. But hopefully jose
Felix lives to fight another day after that

1005
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:27,679
kind of a big win for him. Anything can happen in boxing, as

1006
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:30,920
we always say, all right on
the news front. Match Room also did

1007
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,960
announce on that card. Their July
fifteen show will be in Detroit. Alicia

1008
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:38,400
Baumgardner, who was in attendance in
Dublin, will be defending against Christina Lindartu

1009
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:44,159
and Lin Dartu was the fighter that
got nixed for being for having the eye

1010
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:45,719
problem from being able to fight in
the UK. But they'll be able to

1011
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:51,280
fight in the United States, and
also Richardson Hitchens and Montana Love is on

1012
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,880
this fight card as well. Tell
me more about that fight card real quick

1013
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,000
in the news. Well, I
mean I had, I had frankly broken

1014
01:02:57,039 --> 01:02:58,920
the story that this was going to
be taking place, you know, a

1015
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,400
week or two ago, but we
didn't the opponent quite yet for a bomb

1016
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,639
guarder, they had finally worked out
the deal. Will Landarto, who is

1017
01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:07,519
the woman that Katie Taylor defeated to
win a junior well to the weight belt

1018
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:09,400
a few years ago when she went
and moved up to the one hundred forty

1019
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,599
pound way class for one fight,
beat her and then vacated and went back

1020
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:16,679
down to defend her titles at lightweight. But what makes this somewhat compelling if

1021
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:20,760
you're a Lisa bomb Garner is that
she only has one loss in her career.

1022
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,599
She lost two Christina Lundarto. This
was a split decision fight that took

1023
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:29,679
place back in like two thousand an
eight round her in twenty and eighteen,

1024
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:34,599
So she's looking for revenge. That's
the storyline, if you will. Lundarharto

1025
01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:37,039
is still a good fighter, so
she'll headline this card. It's in her

1026
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:40,159
hometown of De Detroit. She goes
home as the undisputed women's champion in the

1027
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:45,840
in the junior lightweight division and a
very fascinating fight on the undercard Richardson Hitchins,

1028
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,760
who was a guy that has been
with Matchum for not that long.

1029
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,119
He had been for many years with
Mayweather Promotions, an Olympian, a very

1030
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:55,400
outspoken guy, a lot of skills
in New Yorker. Anyways, fighting Montana

1031
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,199
Love was coming off the DQ loss
for a throwing your boy Steve Spark over

1032
01:03:59,239 --> 01:04:02,119
the top rope like he was in
the WWE. Hitchins will be a big

1033
01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:04,199
favorite in this fight. He's got
a lot of ability, a lot of

1034
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:09,719
science, a lot of skills.
But a solid undercard fight and what makes

1035
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:12,559
it somewhat interesting, even more than
just a matchup itself, is and we

1036
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:15,320
talked to Regious Program in the podcast
the previous week, there's a very solid

1037
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:20,039
chance that the winner of this fight
is going to be the second opponent of

1038
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,400
Regious Program's Matchum deal, assuming he
wins the fight in June, assuming they

1039
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,000
find a replacement opponent for him.
So that makes this fight with yet another

1040
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,119
reason to check it out. And
then the other fight that they announced is

1041
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:34,519
going to be the professional debut of
the Olympic gold medal winner Andy Cruz,

1042
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:39,599
the lighted lightweight who is a phenomenal
amateur out of the Cuban system who was

1043
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:42,639
now here in the United States.
He's going to be turning pro in a

1044
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:45,000
ten rounder and they're not wasting time, and I'm sort of I know exactly

1045
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:49,079
what they're doing here. They matched
him up with one Carlos Burgoslan carlos Burgos

1046
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:53,760
at the end of last year got
his clock cleaned and a one sided route,

1047
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:59,480
although it went to distance. He
lost in a shutout against Keyshan Davis

1048
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,159
and a I was at and I
asked Keshan Davis half he was dominating him

1049
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:04,800
so much? Were you board in
there? And he admitted that he was.

1050
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:10,039
Why this is interesting is because they
obviously want to send Cruise in his

1051
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:13,800
professional debut against the guy that may
not be what he once was, but

1052
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,239
for a long time was a good
contender at fought for a world title.

1053
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:18,599
But more notably, they want to
compare how Andy Cruise is going to do

1054
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:23,800
against Wyan carl los Burgos to way
Keishan Davis did. Why because Andy Cruise

1055
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:28,559
has four amateur victories against Keshan Davis
at the highest level in the Olympics,

1056
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,360
you know, in major amateur tournaments, so they're already getting their pro rivalry

1057
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,039
going here. They've been, you
know, chirping a little bit between the

1058
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:41,480
match room and Eddie Hern and Keishan
and Andy. Cruise is now going to

1059
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:45,320
take on a guy that went to
distance with Keishan Davis not that long ago,

1060
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:47,599
and if he ends up getting a
knock out, believe me, you're

1061
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:50,599
gonna hear a lot about the comparison
is continuing, all right, the Cuban

1062
01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:56,079
gold medalist Cruise on that July hard
One more news item involving Ryan Garcia,

1063
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:59,519
and then its nostalgia time before we're
done. Ryan Garcia has a new trainer,

1064
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:01,960
and you have been all over this
and in communication with Derek James,

1065
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,599
who is that new trainers are gonna
be more Well, yes it is Derek

1066
01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:10,000
James. I spoke to Derek at
length about it the other day and I

1067
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:12,400
will I'll be writing something about it. I was a little busy doing these

1068
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,199
other fights this weekend, but I'm
definitely gonna write with Derek had to say

1069
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:16,679
about how it came a doubt.
What I found interesting is because I wasn't

1070
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:19,000
really sure. Okay, So he
broke up with Joe Goosen right after he

1071
01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:21,719
lost the fight to Dank Davis,
and now he's in the market for a

1072
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:27,159
new trainer. Now, Ryan's had
you been with good trainers? He obviously

1073
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,760
was with Eddie Reinoso for a while, who's got a lot of a lot

1074
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,840
of top guys and obviously the trainer
for Canelo Alvarez. He went to Joe

1075
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,320
Goosen, who was going to be
inducted into the boxing all the fame,

1076
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,000
this jew and so he's another guy
with a tremendous amount of credentials and a

1077
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:42,360
lot of experience, a lot of
championship level of guys. And so you're

1078
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,400
wondering, okay, if he if
he didn't work out with between him and

1079
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:48,400
Eddie, and he found a reason
to walk away from Joe, who is

1080
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,400
he gonna get? Well, guess
what he got. Derek James, who

1081
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,400
is the reigning trainer of the year
according to most people, including the Boxing

1082
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,239
Writers Association of America. Most people
had him as the trainer of the year.

1083
01:06:58,239 --> 01:07:01,719
He trains the undisputed German champion Charlow. He's the trainer of the unified

1084
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:06,039
walter weight champion Errol Spence. He's
the trainer of the outstanding lightweight undefeated up

1085
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:09,920
and comer, up becoming contender,
Frank Martin has got a hell of a

1086
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,800
gym. There a lot of guys, and he's you know, he was

1087
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,360
a former pro fighter himself. And
it struck meeting right off the bat as

1088
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,039
well. This is kind of an
unusual move. When I spoke to Derek,

1089
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:18,400
I'm sort of like, well,
how did this come about? Because

1090
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,559
they didn't really know each other except
maybe to say hello. As a turnout

1091
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:27,239
the way it happens because Ryan Garcia
is friendly with Errol Spence. Remember they

1092
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,559
had that that that bet they made
of the twenty five thousand on a fight,

1093
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:32,000
and uh, Derek could say,
by the way that Ryan paid up

1094
01:07:32,039 --> 01:07:35,719
when he lost a bet to Errol
Spence. That Errol and Errol and Ryan,

1095
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,920
while not like best buddies, they
do have a they have a developing

1096
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,199
sort of like I guess, some
friendship or at least, you know,

1097
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:47,679
more than just your basic acquaintance.
Anyway, what Derek told me was that

1098
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,880
Ryan had contacted Errol. Obviously they
have each other's number, and he asked

1099
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:57,320
them if he could send them the
contact information for Derek because he was looking

1100
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,880
to train with him and he needed
to see if there was any interest.

1101
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,079
And he had to sort of get
Errol's okay. You didn't want to,

1102
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:04,159
like, you know, kind of
be an interloper in the gym. Derek

1103
01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:06,440
said that Errol came to him and
talked to him and he was okay with

1104
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:11,719
it, and so Ryan last week
went down to Texas and said he wanted

1105
01:08:11,719 --> 01:08:13,519
to hire him. They had a
long he told me, they had a

1106
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:15,479
very lengthy not a session in the
gym, but they went out to eat

1107
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,560
dinner and just to sort of talk
things out and find out, what you

1108
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,239
know, feel each other out from
kind of what page are were on.

1109
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,760
They did end up working together in
the gym a little bit. I guess

1110
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,840
they both came away satisfied with it. And so now Derek James is going

1111
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,000
to be training Ryan. He was
actually in this past weekend. Ryan was

1112
01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:33,359
still in Texas was going to work
out of the gym well. And by

1113
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:38,279
the way, Derek James is also
the trainer for Anthony Joshua, who Derek

1114
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:41,560
told me was due back in the
gym on Friday, I must have spoke

1115
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,199
to Derek maybe like a Thursday night
maybe or something like that. The next

1116
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,119
day, Joshua was coming back.
Not because he's going to be training for

1117
01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:50,079
a specific fight. There's gonna a
lot of conjecture that he's getting ready for

1118
01:08:50,119 --> 01:08:53,680
a specific fight. He said,
that's not true. We're not sure what

1119
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,079
he's gonna be doing. But what
we are going to do is we've only

1120
01:08:56,119 --> 01:08:58,439
been together for the one fight.
We're gonna work on stuff in the gym,

1121
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,640
and this is when you do it
between fight, when you're not training

1122
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,479
for a specific opponent, when you
just work on different things and drills and

1123
01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:08,319
philosophy of how you want to carry
things out in a fight. Whoever,

1124
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,720
maybe again, So he was due
for let's call it a mini camp in

1125
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,279
Texas this past weekend. So,
to the best of my knowledge, Errol

1126
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:18,079
Spence is there because he stinks he's
preparing, hopefully for a Crawford fight.

1127
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:21,800
I had a lengthy tax exchange with
Errol a couple of days ago and we

1128
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,920
talked about that a little bit.
So he's in the gym working out with

1129
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,720
Derek, getting ready for when he
hopes is a Crawford fight. Ryan Garcia

1130
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,760
is there just getting to know him
and work on a few things. AJ's

1131
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,680
back in town in a so called
mini camp, getting ready for things.

1132
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,720
And then you got Charlow who said
who he said, is not sure when

1133
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,159
he's gonna be back. But he's
still rehabbing the hand. He's still not

1134
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:43,600
able to use that, but he's
in the gym doing things other than using

1135
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,359
in the hand. So he's got
and Frank Martin he told me he's getting

1136
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:49,199
ready for a showtime fight that is
penciled in for July fifteenth. So he's

1137
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:53,319
got all his guys in the gym, you know, each has their time

1138
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:57,359
with him, and he's busy.
But obviously he's attracting some of the better

1139
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,680
fighters out there, and uh,
you know, I think for Ryan Garcia,

1140
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,199
hopefully this works for him. I
mean, obviously it didn't work out

1141
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:05,560
great in terms of what happened with
Joe Boost. I'm not sure what happened

1142
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:10,039
there. It certainly had issues with
Eddy Knows at one point or another.

1143
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,199
But Ryan has a lot of talent
and I hope this is a match that

1144
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:15,439
works for him and for Derek and
that hopefully they can do great things together.

1145
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:18,560
That's some kind of prominence in that
gym. By the way, if

1146
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,199
all of those guys are there at
the same time. And I'm very curious

1147
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:26,479
on the Jamil Charlo thing, you're
gonna stay on the trail because, as

1148
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,359
we've talked about, has he reinjured
the hand and it is incumbent on them

1149
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,079
the team Charlo, somebody to tell
us what is the status and when are

1150
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:38,600
you back in the ring? Coming
up? That to be we talked about

1151
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,640
his league but soon right we talked
about it a couple of days ago on

1152
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,560
the previous podcast that the WBO was
giving him They not just about to make

1153
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,359
the fight, but be in the
ring to fight the fight by September thirty.

1154
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,199
All right, so the rubber is
gonna hit the road at some point.

1155
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:53,479
So if he's not in the ring
at the very least he'll be the

1156
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:58,319
you know, the w WBO belt
will be vacated. We will find out

1157
01:10:58,319 --> 01:11:00,199
about that with Jamal Charlo. All
rights, touch of time before we're gone.

1158
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:05,840
It was twelve years ago, coming
Monday, May twenty first, Bernard

1159
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:15,039
Hopkins defeat Jean Pascal in Montreal in
a rematch and you were ringside. Give

1160
01:11:15,119 --> 01:11:19,840
me more about this, about this
nostalgic fight twelve years ago. Well,

1161
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,439
this was one of the more fun
fights I've covered from the standpoint, not

1162
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,319
necessarily to doubt itself, but just
the whole build up and the activity and

1163
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:29,840
all the things that went on in
the hype around it. Remember, at

1164
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,520
the end of two thou and ten, Bernard Hopkins and John Pascal fought at

1165
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:38,159
the first time they had their fight. They fought in Quebec City and they

1166
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:41,279
fought to a majority draw. That
was also a light heavyweight title fight.

1167
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,359
John Pascal retained the title and there
was then a ringmatch that took place five

1168
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:48,279
months later. Instead of being in
Quebec City, it was in Montreal.

1169
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:53,039
And by the way, I covered
a ton of Bernard Hopkins fights. I

1170
01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:55,640
had come off of a stretch where
I must have covered like ten fights in

1171
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,439
twelve weeks or something. It was
like ten below zero. You couldn't get

1172
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,039
a direct flight to Quebec City,
and I just was like, you know

1173
01:12:01,119 --> 01:12:03,159
what, fuck it, I'm not
gonna go to I'm gonna write about the

1174
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:06,000
fight, but I'm just not gonna
travel. I was absolutely dead exhausted,

1175
01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:09,600
and I stayed home and I didn't
cover the first fight, and I didn't

1176
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,399
want to go to Quebec city when
his ten below zero and couldn't get there

1177
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,119
in a reasonable way. But I
was more than happy to go to Montreal

1178
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,479
in May, where it was absolutely
beautiful and one of the nicest places you

1179
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,039
can be on the earth at that
time of the year. And they had

1180
01:12:21,079 --> 01:12:24,399
this fight. And the reason why
it was a big deal is because this

1181
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:28,119
was the fight in which Bernard Hopkins
not only the feet to John Pascal by

1182
01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:31,680
a close decision, but he became
by winning that decision, the oldest boxer

1183
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,319
in the history of the sport to
win a major world title. At age

1184
01:12:34,359 --> 01:12:38,239
forty six. He broke the long
time record of the great George Foreman,

1185
01:12:38,279 --> 01:12:41,880
who had become the heavyweight champion.
But this was now Bernard Hopkins breaking the

1186
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,439
record. And if you remember,
one of the great highlights or crazier things

1187
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,640
you'll see during the middle of a
fight is Bernard Hopkins, who was probably

1188
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:55,640
twenty years younger than John Pascal at
that time, late in that fight between

1189
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,319
rounds, gets down and starts doing
pushups to show that he is the vigorous

1190
01:12:59,359 --> 01:13:01,560
old man and he still has got
plenty of energy left. While Pascal is

1191
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,199
sitting in the corner looking like he's
exhausted, and Bernard is doing push ups

1192
01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:09,239
in the ring. I'll never forget
that. I don't know that I've ever

1193
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:13,359
seen that in a title I've never
seen it before or since You're exactly right

1194
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,319
in indelible and always Bernard, Bernard
wins the fight, becomes the oldest champion.

1195
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,239
And on a personal level, I
always talking about like I've had a

1196
01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:24,159
lot of fun covering these big events, but what I always remember, even

1197
01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:27,039
more than the fights, are the
personal moments you have with the different people

1198
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:29,199
associated with the event. It could
be a promoter, could be a manager,

1199
01:13:29,319 --> 01:13:31,119
could be a fighter, could be
a young you know, undercard fighter

1200
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:35,560
that you're meeting or dealing with for
the first time. But I've had my

1201
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,479
ups and downs with Bernard Hopkins through
the years, but uh, you know,

1202
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,960
I can Bernard and I become like
friends these days. I believe that.

1203
01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:45,359
I mean, I know him well. Uh you know, I've met

1204
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:46,880
his family, He's met my family. You know, he's taking pictures with

1205
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,640
my son when he was a baby, and met my mom and met my

1206
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:54,359
dad and things like that at different
different events. So I've a good relation

1207
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,520
with Bernard and that night after the
fight. Bernard wanted to celebrate. I

1208
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,359
think I've told the story before.
Uh, there was no big post fight

1209
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,079
party. It was like, you
know whatever, one thirty in the morning,

1210
01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:05,840
two o'clock in the morning, Saturday
night, a Bernard is starving to

1211
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,680
death. Uh, he hadn't eaten
anything. None of us had really eaten

1212
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,880
anything. So we're looking for a
place. At two in the morning,

1213
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,680
Barnard invites me to go along.
We're in the van riding around with a

1214
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,720
couple of cars. I was it
was Bernard told you told us before,

1215
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,520
because this is the cheesecake, right, this is the cheesecakes. So a

1216
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:23,640
few of his a few guys on
his team as cutman is, you know,

1217
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:27,520
different people associated with Bernard, a
few of the people from Golden Boy,

1218
01:14:28,119 --> 01:14:32,119
his promoter. Anyway, we finally
find a place in in downtown Montreal,

1219
01:14:32,199 --> 01:14:35,720
somewhere a few minutes away from the
from the Bell from the Bell Center

1220
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,399
with the arena where the fight took
place. And we walked in. They

1221
01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:41,520
were open. They had just a
normal, like you know diner, arsh

1222
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,279
kind of menu, and they had
what I think would attract the Bernard.

1223
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:46,800
Actually, when we walked in the
door, they had all these TV's on,

1224
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,600
and every TV was tuned on to
like the local I think it's like

1225
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,520
tsn UP in kind of like their
version of the ESPN. But they were

1226
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:57,119
showing repeatedly the highlights of the fight. So Bernard like, we watched the

1227
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:00,600
highlights, you know, several times. Anyway, long stories. What everybody

1228
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,840
got, bar food, pizza's,
burgers, fries, whatever, And Bernard,

1229
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,279
you figure he's gonna like indulge.
He just had the championship fight.

1230
01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:08,720
He'd been in training camp for the
last two months, has been you know,

1231
01:15:09,399 --> 01:15:11,840
watching his diet and making sure he's
in great shape for the fight.

1232
01:15:12,359 --> 01:15:15,119
You win the light heavyweight championship in
the world, you know, have a

1233
01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:16,880
slice of pizza, go over the
bars and the onion rings of the burger

1234
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,119
whatever. Bernard had the waiter come
out and again, can you make me

1235
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:24,720
this special thing? Like he wanted
pasta with broccoli and a little bit of

1236
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,399
garlic, and the guy was like, yeah, we can do that.

1237
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:29,680
So Bernard was like eating the way
he was eating in training camp. Meanwhile,

1238
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,840
everybody else is like pigging out on
fries and you know, and burgers

1239
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,560
and pizza and chicken fingers and that
kind of shit. But finally when it's

1240
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,319
over, Bernard Hopkins is like,
you know what, fuck it, I'm

1241
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:44,000
getting dessert and Bernard And this is
where I learned that Bernard's cheat food when

1242
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,159
he's in camp. His favorite dessert
was cheesecake. They brought out a cheesecake

1243
01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:48,960
that was like the size of your
foot, and uh, I was sitting

1244
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:53,199
across the table from Bernard, and
I snapped a picture on my phone and

1245
01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:56,079
it's Bernard Hopkins wearing by the way
he's dressed up, he looks like Urkle

1246
01:15:56,119 --> 01:16:00,359
from the Old showed me the photo. You showed me the photo glasses.

1247
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,319
What was that sitcom called Felling that
family matters right with Ercle? So he

1248
01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:08,920
looked like Ercle. He's wearing the
cap and the glasses and the the the

1249
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:13,319
bug the button up shirt. Anyway, he jabs the fork and he puts

1250
01:16:13,359 --> 01:16:15,439
the cheesecake up and he smiles and
Bernard at the gap tooth and you can

1251
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:19,840
like see that it's like a like
a caramel's cheesecake and the Carmel's like dripping

1252
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,479
off the fucking fork. And I
snapped the picture and it's like it's like

1253
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,520
I put it on Twitter. This
is early in my Twitter days. That

1254
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,399
thing got like tens of thousands of
like likes and views and whatever. And

1255
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,960
uh so my lasting memory of that
historical night wasn't so much just because this

1256
01:16:34,079 --> 01:16:36,640
great fighter, Bernard Hopkins, future
all the favor of all time great,

1257
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:41,680
became the oldest boxer to win a
heavyweight championship or I'd rather any kind of

1258
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,000
championship rather as a light heavyweight champion. It's a couple hours after the fight,

1259
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,560
being at like an empty sort of
dinerish restaurant in downtown Montreal and the

1260
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:56,159
wee hours watching highlights, having having
a late night meal and watching Bernard Hopkins

1261
01:16:56,239 --> 01:17:00,279
indulged in eating a piece of cheesecake
like it was his last meal. He

1262
01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:03,000
was going to the chair. We
love that. By the way, You're

1263
01:17:03,039 --> 01:17:06,319
always great with the nostalgia. And
I help out wherever I can help out.

1264
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:11,600
So that is today. That is
Sunday, the twenty first, on

1265
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,920
that anniversary you're talking about from twelve
years ago, thirty years ago Monday,

1266
01:17:16,199 --> 01:17:23,239
as we released the podcast, the
Roy Jones Junior and Bernard Hopkins fought at

1267
01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:28,640
old RFK Stadium, Washington, DC, where the then Redskins used to play

1268
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,600
football. Where the Washington Senators used
to play baseball for many years. They

1269
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:38,279
fought outdoors thirty years ago on May
twenty second, nineteen ninety three, Roy

1270
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:43,399
Jones first world title win, a
decision win over Bernard Hopkins. And I

1271
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,840
remember that fight and I don't want
to accept that that was thirty years ago.

1272
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:55,560
At least yours was twelve years ago. The Roy Jones Browt Hopkins first

1273
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,920
fight and the second fight really should
be disavowed the way Star Trek five is

1274
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:05,800
about. Uh. But that fight
took place Yadi Shack gree too exactly.

1275
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:12,520
Um, Rocky, what is it, Rocky, Rocky rock Yes, Uh

1276
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:15,760
so I live like maybe half an
hour from RFK Stadium. I didn't live

1277
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,319
here in the area at the time. But that fight was, like you

1278
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,479
mentioned, it was outdoors at that
fight at that at that stadium. Two

1279
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,359
things about it. Number One,
it was actually the undercard fight on the

1280
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:30,680
night that Britick bo defended the heavyweight
title. Uh. And more notably the

1281
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:35,159
Roy Jones Bernard Hopkins fight. This
was Roy Jones getting a victory against Bernard

1282
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:39,840
Hopkins basically one handed, but a
fight. You know that, And you

1283
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,039
look back and like this was two
of the greats meeting when they were young

1284
01:18:43,079 --> 01:18:45,239
in their career. As you mentioned, it's the first world championship fight for

1285
01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:49,199
you know, both world title for
both guys title fight. It's Roy's first

1286
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:57,159
world championship TJ. This was a
horrible, horrible fight. I mean a

1287
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:02,000
terrible, terrible fight to watch,
dull beyond comprehension. It looks good only

1288
01:19:02,039 --> 01:19:04,680
when you look to get up in
their records. If you actually spent the

1289
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:09,680
time, you will come away saying
I'd never get that full And Roy had

1290
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,359
admitted after the fight he had hurt
his hand in training, but followed through

1291
01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:14,520
and he was just it was his
right hand. He was just using the

1292
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:15,600
jab, using the left hand.
Jab, move, move, move,

1293
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,079
and don't let me tell you another
thing. Yeah, another thing about that

1294
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:21,800
fight. That was a big deal. Bernard Hopkins became a crusader for fair

1295
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:29,239
treatment from fighters and promoters, for
there to be some accountability, some transparency

1296
01:19:29,319 --> 01:19:32,119
with contracts, etc. And this
was a fight that really started that because

1297
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,800
he became later on years later like
the only boxer to go to testify in

1298
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:42,039
front of the Congress Committee that was
organized by the late John McCain, who

1299
01:19:42,079 --> 01:19:45,279
was obviously a big boxing fan and
big boxing supporter and was one of the

1300
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,600
architects of what became the Federal Muhammad
Aliliac, which is still a part of

1301
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,159
the federal law. It's it's not
perfect, that there's not a lot of

1302
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:56,720
heath to it, but it does
at least spell out what is something that

1303
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,319
you need to do if you're a
promoter by law in any event. Reason

1304
01:20:00,399 --> 01:20:03,640
why this fight between Roy Jones Burnard
Hopkins is significant in respect to that law

1305
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:09,039
and what became something that fighters can
lean on to make sure that they're treated

1306
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:12,439
fairly is because it came to Bernard's
attention, you know, after the fact

1307
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,000
years later that butch Lewis, who
was his promoter at the time, and

1308
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,399
he asked, why did Bernard Hopkins
He ran to a ton of promoters,

1309
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:23,119
had issues with everybody. Butch Lewis
got for his side. For the Bernard

1310
01:20:23,159 --> 01:20:26,479
Hopkins side of the fight. I'm
not sure what the Roy Jones side got,

1311
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,319
but HBO, which televised this bout
as part of that RIDDI bocard,

1312
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:35,760
they paid butch Lewis a fee to
deliver Bernard Hopkins of six hundred thousand dollars.

1313
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:42,279
Bernard Hopkins of that money got sixty
thousand dollars and to me, and

1314
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:45,000
I think anybody with half a fucking
brain would say that for the boxer who

1315
01:20:45,039 --> 01:20:48,640
puts his life on the line to
only get ten percent of the total money

1316
01:20:49,319 --> 01:20:55,279
involved in the fight was fucking criminal. So I'm not saying the promoter shouldn't

1317
01:20:55,279 --> 01:20:57,800
get paid. Obviously they should.
They should make good money also, but

1318
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:01,640
the equitable distribution is not ninety to
ten in favor of the promoter, who

1319
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:05,000
was not at that time and under
any obligation to tell all the boxer what

1320
01:21:05,159 --> 01:21:09,920
they're getting. That would not happen
today. Bernard Hopkins freaked out about that,

1321
01:21:10,039 --> 01:21:13,119
understandably think that I just put my
life on the line. I only

1322
01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:16,680
got sixty grand and my promoter got
six hundred thousand and paid me nothing out

1323
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,800
of that. So the for as
horrible and miserable as the Roy Jones Bernard

1324
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:26,319
Hopkins won thirty years ago was Uh. If there is a positive out of

1325
01:21:26,359 --> 01:21:30,119
it, it's that these two young
future greats met and that it helped pave

1326
01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:33,319
the way for what became the federal
law. Mommad Ali, I can by

1327
01:21:33,319 --> 01:21:39,119
the way, I'll we'll pull we'll
pull back. The Colonel then before we

1328
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:42,600
do the show. We don't say
what we're gonna say, but I send

1329
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,960
you a rundown of our general hoops
and we take it from there. This

1330
01:21:45,239 --> 01:21:48,720
was not on the topics chiefs.
So everything I'm telling you about Jones Hopkins

1331
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:54,880
Ones is coming out of this.
I'm with you, I'm with you.

1332
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,359
So yeah, so yeah, Roy
Jones had and by the way, good

1333
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,439
on the government to get involved.
Good on that to get straightened out.

1334
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,119
And not surprisingly, Butch Lewis was
basically done as a promoter not long after

1335
01:22:05,239 --> 01:22:09,439
that, because when you're doing that
to fighters, nobody wants to work with

1336
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,520
you anymore. When when they find
that stuff out and there you go.

1337
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,960
That was thirteen. I knew,
but I knew Butch a little bit before

1338
01:22:17,279 --> 01:22:20,479
when I first started. He was
still kind of around the fringes. Um.

1339
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:25,119
He died a few years ago.
Uh. And I and I'm not

1340
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:27,359
I don't I'm not going to speak
ill of him, but I must say,

1341
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,359
in my few interactions with Butch Lewis, from the moment I ever met

1342
01:22:30,399 --> 01:22:33,279
the man, he rubbed me the
wrong way. What can I say?

1343
01:22:33,319 --> 01:22:38,159
I'm just being honest. And and
Bernard Hopkins would agree with you. Uh,

1344
01:22:38,359 --> 01:22:41,680
Okay, there you go away,
I do. I will be tweeting

1345
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,840
now at some point. I do
have the poster from that fight, and

1346
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:45,960
I will tweet it out a little
bit later just for fun. Again.

1347
01:22:46,039 --> 01:22:51,000
That anniversary is Monday as we released
the podcast. The Hopkins Pascal was Sunday

1348
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:56,279
as we were recording the podcast with
that. It has been a busy show.

1349
01:22:56,359 --> 01:23:00,119
We are chocked full as always,
lots on this one and then we've

1350
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:02,760
got title fights, et cetera for
later this week. We've mentioned Laura and

1351
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:09,079
Wood for later this week in UH
in England in a very quick rematch,

1352
01:23:09,159 --> 01:23:12,680
didn't even take ninety days for them
to get back in the ring. That

1353
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:18,279
will be upcoming for those two to
be fighting later on this this week,

1354
01:23:18,279 --> 01:23:20,640
and we'll be ready to preview that
on the Big Fight Weekend preview in the

1355
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:24,479
bet US Gambling show. Yes,
my friend, I would say it's the

1356
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:29,520
weekend of the Featherwits because besides that
very intriguing rematch between UH Mauricio Lara and

1357
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,399
Lee Wood for the WBA title,
you have taking place at the same time

1358
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,800
on the you know in the United
States that that that Leewood Mauriceo lars A,

1359
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,960
the own fight, but on ESPN
Plus in Delfast, Norddriler not that

1360
01:23:41,039 --> 01:23:44,960
far away. You got the another
excellent Featherwick title fight. You got Louis

1361
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,319
Alberto Lopez defending the title against Michael
Commin. Those are both two great fights.

1362
01:23:48,319 --> 01:23:50,039
I don't even know which one I'm
gonna be able to watch live because

1363
01:23:50,039 --> 01:23:53,960
I'm figuring they're gonna start right around
the same time. We'll we'll dice that

1364
01:23:54,079 --> 01:23:57,239
up and talk about that on the
preview later on this week. Now,

1365
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,479
week is all about the feather weights
for this week. For now, though,

1366
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,119
I think we're good. Full show
here, David, Devin, Hanny's

1367
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:09,560
victorious got his hand raise, Chantel
Cameron victorious got her hand raise, Juneto

1368
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:14,279
Nakatani victorious by knockout got his hand
raise. I think we're good recapping all

1369
01:24:14,279 --> 01:24:16,840
of it off the weekend. Dan, We always thank you for hanging here,

1370
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,399
great stuff, and we will get
back at it later this week with

1371
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,680
the Big Fight we came preview as
the week rolls on. Thank you,

1372
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,840
my friend. There is the one
and only Dan Ray. Feel again,

1373
01:24:28,119 --> 01:24:31,239
Rate us, subscribe, follow us, Apple podcast, Google podcast, Spotify

1374
01:24:31,399 --> 01:24:34,840
on the Big Fight Weekend podcast.
We preview going into the weekend out Friday's

1375
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:39,840
will recap with the Fight Freaks Unite
recap coming off the weekend. For now,

1376
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,479
we are good for Dan Raypheel.
I'm TJ Reeves. Talk to you

1377
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:44,199
later in the week