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and my good friend Dennis Fithian will
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again on Thursday morning. Then I'll
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Eagle Casino and Resort. The day
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the Draft, try and stop by
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Bill Simonson will be at the Caucus
Club in downtown Detroit. And speaking of

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that, I'm looking forward to draft
conversations. That's what we're gonna be doing

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with Jeremy Riseman, the editor and
chief of Pride of Detroit. He will

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join us at seven thirty five.
Tiger is a winner yesterday. That was

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good stuff. Good offense by Detroit
in a seven to one win over Tampa.

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Kent to my Ada gets the call
tonight. Good start by Trek Scoobel

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again it can be a dominating pitcher
in the league. Nine strikeouts and six

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innings. Canna was good, Metalways
had a homer. Biaz was two for

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four. Carpenter seventh straight game of
an RBI. If somebody had tweeted at

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me yesterday they were a little disappointed
Ben that we were talking about the contract

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of Anthony Rendon. Oh really Well, they were saying they're not a big

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fan of yours truly, which is
fine, that doesn't hurt my feelings.

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But he was saying, you're sitting
here talking about Anthony Rendona and we've got

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Javier Biaz. Well, the two
contracts are very different. I mean,

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one's a lot more money Anthony Rendon. It's not like I enjoyed the con.

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I didn't like the contract of Biez
never never liked it. In fact,

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I believe I was doing a show
and or I was a guest on

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Huge show and they were talking about
the free agent short style. At the

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time, it was Seeger Simeon,
Who's you know, more of a second

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basement, but he did play some
some short at in Oakland Bias. Who

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else was in that class? Trevor
story was in that class, and oh

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in Carlos Korea. And my first
choice is Marcus Simeon, even though I

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knew he wasn't necessarily a shortstop.
He could play short for you. He

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doesn't have the range that Biaz has, but he could play short for you.

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He's supposedly a very good clubhouse leader, So that was my first choice.

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Trevor's story would not have turned out
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of his injuries. Was my second
choice then Carlos Correa. So in full

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disclosure, that's where I was coming
from. I didn't like the Bias contract,

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but Bias is available, and that's
what our discussion was. We were

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focused on the fact that Anthony Rendon
and I told you yesterday how good his

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years were leading or especially his last
year in Washington leading up to free agency

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and the signing there in Los Angeles
for the Angels. But how it's been

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a bust of a contract because he
hasn't played more than fifty eight games in

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a season. Javier Bias has played
what one hundred and forty two games one

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year, one hundred and thirty eight
games. At least he's available. That

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was the whole point of the conversation. But the person who tweeted at me

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and again it's okay, you don't
like me, so you lose the message.

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I don't like that guy, So
you know what, anything he says

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I'm going to disagree with. If
you were listening, truly listening, not

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hearing, but listening to the conversation, it was about availability. But you

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can't get past it anyway. That's
the situation there. Bios did have a

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couple of hits, doesn't make up
for anything. Doesn't make up for his

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swinging his sliders outside the zone,
doesn't make up for striking out, doesn't

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making up for the amount of money
that he makes over the last couple of

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years, and underperforming for the Tigers
doesn't make up anything. I'm just giving

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you a number that he went to
for four. That's all, okay.

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I'm not going to go through the
entire box score. I'm just telling you

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he was one of the offensive guys
who made a difference last night, only

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last night. I love the emotion
of sports, I really do. I

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think it's what keeps us sane,
sometimes keeps us healthy. But sometimes it's

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okay to say the guy you don't
like, the player that upsets you and

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frustrates you the most, had a
good game. It doesn't mean that you

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are now a fan of his or
hers. It doesn't now mean that you

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justify the contract he or she's signed, and it sure doesn't mean that you

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believe he's turned the corner. It
just means the guy had a good game.

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And in baseball, when you play
one hundred and sixty two of those

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and a lot of players, healthy
players, yes, players who are teams

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are obligated too because of contracts.
They're gonna play one hundred and fifty plus

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of those games. You're gonna have
to watch them. You can grade them

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on their season. But it's okay
once in a while to say, all

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right, did something tonight. I
don't think I'm a whole lot different than

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you went in that regard. Sometimes
we look when it's a player or a

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coach. We look for the negative
to justify our beliefs, fair or unfair.

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But that's what happens NBA last night, Nick's winners, Calves winners,

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Nuggets winners, NHL made be Leefs, Hurricanes, Oilers and defending champion Vegas

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Knights. That's the story. Bottom
of the hour, we will talk NFL

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draft, really looking forward to that
for sure, and we will do that

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with Jeremy Riseman, his thoughts on
where the Lions go, what's the incentive

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to get over the top. Speaking
of incentive, by the way, did

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you hear did you read the Tom
Brady incentive Leyden push to a lot of

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his players, his teammates. If
you've read that, it's it's pretty classic.

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It's there's a part of me that
thinks that's kind of unfortunate. So

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I'll name marpet who was an offensive
lineman with Brady in Tampa. Played a

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couple of years there with Sam.
Brady would get frustrated sometimes, especially at

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screenplays, so they were getting blown
up. So he would say to the

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offensive lineman, I'll tell you what
if any screenplay that goes for fifteen yards

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or greater, I'll give you each
one thousand dollars cash. That's the even

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for guys who signed million dollar deals. Just that that extra juice was there

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for it. And Marpett on a
on a podcast said, yeah, that

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got us, That got us pretty
fired up. Happy to take that payment.

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Five offensive linemen. Brady's got to
pay out five grand every time the

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Buccaneers ran a screen of at least
fifteen yards, and mar pet said,

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little extra juice those kinds of things, Sure, it makes it different.

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There was definitely a multiple of fifteen, so they made a little extra coin

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and it worked. Brady had that
little extra incentive. There's a part of

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you that also goes, that's really
too bad. It takes you one thousand

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dollars for you to do your job. We all need a little incentive once

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in a while, I guess,
including millionaires who play the game of football.

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we'll be talking a little bit about
what's coming up Thursday. The NFL Draft.

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It's a little different field. Don't
you think it's different for me anyway,

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because I just in the past.
Look, it's such an Oakley Shane

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Detroit. But it's so true that
April was our quote unquote super Bowl.

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It's just not the way it is
right now, and we hope it's not

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that way for now. We know
what other teams feel like. Seriously,

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other teams feel like the April Draft
is just an not another day, but

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it's it's just part of your calendar, your NFL calendar, where with us,

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it was unbelievable for us to get
a top five pick and see who

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the new shiny toy is, The
new shiny car in the in the garage

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is not anymore? Who's the guy
who's going to help us climb over the

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top. So looking forward to that
discussion coming up. Among the things that

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I had forgotten to tell you in
our sports headlines was that Lindy Ruff is

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the new coach of the Buffalo Sabers, so they are going back to the

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well if you will, it's a
a retread? Is that fair to say

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that? Would people? This is
what we use. These are the words

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we use, right, and it's
it's probably fair because he is he is

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a retread. There's a ton of
them though football. We saw it.

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Would you consider Dan Quinn a retret? Sure? Raheem Morris, sure,

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Jim Harbaugh, Yeah, same thing
happens in the NBA. Monti Williams Is

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he a retread? Yep? Nick
Nurse retread? Yes, Quinn Snyder absolutely,

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Tom Thibodeau, sure, those guys
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In other words, guys who were
coaches and then went somewhere else and they

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were hired. That's sports, and
that happens all the time. Dwayne Casey

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was fired in Toronto, Pistons hired
him. I'm glad they did. Would

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you call it a retread, Mike
McCarthy retread in Dallas? You could go

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down the list. You're not gonna
get guys who are just brand new to

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the job all the time. It's
not the way it works in sports anyway.

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I had to make that correction for
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all, there you go. I
think now you're you're pretty much caught up

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after an exhilarating night of playoff hockey
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Bros. And we will talk with
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as we find our way toward that
discussion. We had mentioned the Tigers seven

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to one win, not that we
care too much about the Chicago White Sox,

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but they did lose again last night. They lost seven nothing to Minnesota

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you know what that means. They've
been shut out eight times already this year,

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They've lost ten of eleven. They
are three and nineteen worst in the

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majors. They averaged two runs per
game. They had a eight hitch yesterday,

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but a couple of days ago they
only had four hits, the eighth

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time in twenty one games they've had
six hits or fewer. Their run differential

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is now at a minus seventy eight. Think about that for a moment.

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That's how bad it is there.
I'll reiterate what I said last week.

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We think there's a window of opportunity
for certain teams. It's either wide open

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or it's closing. Before the year
began in the NFL last year, people

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thought the window of opportunity for Kansas
City was closing, and all they did

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was win another Super Bowl. Before
the beginning of last season, people thought

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the window of opportunity for the Chicago
White Sox was still wide open. This

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year, there three and nineteen.
Last year, that same Chicago squad finished

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second to last and twenty six games
back at sixty one up and one hundred

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and one down. It's tough to
know teams change so drastically injuries can happen,

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other teams get better. You just
never know, man, You just

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don't. So when you think the
window of opportunity is there for the Lions,

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and perhaps you think it's starting to
be there for the Detroit Tigers two,

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it really makes you appreciate, you
know that that twenty five year playoffs

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straight that the Red Wings had,
their window really didn't close. Prety impressive.

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I say this a lot, and
I think it's worth repeating because I

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truly believe it. Staying consistent or
being consistent in sports is so damn hard.

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That's why, whether you like a
team or not. You may not

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like the Dodgers. You may think
that they go out and buy their teams.

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there. They are consistent, though
they're consistently good. Sure, money helps,

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doesn't solve everything. Otherwise, Glenn
Sailor would have won Cups with the

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Rangers because they spent a lot of
money. Otherwise, the Mets would have

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won things a year ago because they
spend a lot of money. It doesn't

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thousand, so jacked for the entire
city of Detroit. I hope it's going

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to be Look, I'm not a
I'm not a weathercaster, all right.

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I am not a somebody who projects
what's going to happen. We know it's

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going to be cold. I just
hope it's a decent day on Thursday,

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so people can get out there and
enjoy themselves. Here's what I do wonder

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though, with the Lions picking at
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are they going to move it all? Are they going to pull something where

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they're going to move back and disappoint
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That's not how Brad Holmes does his
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they going to make some type of
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interesting follow Speaking of trades, the
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You saw that. That means one
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one of the five quarterbacks selected in
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Trevor Lawrence He was the number one
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He remains there. In twenty twenty
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was the number two pick. He's
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number three pick, Justin Fields was
the number eleven pick, and Mac Jones

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was the number fifteen pick. Fields
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So, Zach Wilson goes to Denver. When somebody said the other day,

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do you think the Lions trade Hooker? This is part of the reason.

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I said he was a third round
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third round pick or better. Zach
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They trade him to Denver and they
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back, or I should say,
what do the Jets get back? A

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six round draft pick? That's the
value. That's pretty sad. It's actually

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a good risk if you're the Denver
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some talent, this will be his
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back up duty for the rest of
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of it. Speaking of taking advantage. What will the Lions do to take

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advantage of their situation? Will skip
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inside, Jeremy Riseman. He's the
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Let's be twenty years older, Michigan
player. Big day for the City

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of Detroit, Big day for the
Pistons or for the Lions. As always

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with the NFL Draft coming up,
It'll take place on Thursday downtown to try.

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Excited for the city of Detroit,
excited for the Lions. The Lions

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will have the twenty ninth overall pick, the sixty first overall pick, number

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seventy three in round three. Then
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two in round six, one of
those from Tampa, and one in round

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seven. Jeremy Riseman is the man
in charge of Pride of Detroit and you

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can follow him on X Detroit on
Lion. He as the editor in chief

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and he joins us here on Exes
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he preps for the draft that will
take place on Thursday. Jeremy, appreciate

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the time, really enjoy the work
as well. What excites you most about

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Thursday first and foremost? Well,
I think to me, honestly, just

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having Detroit on the main stage and
having the city on display for a whole

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bunch of fans that are going to
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is really exciting because it almost feels
like some of the excitement of the draft

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has been sucked out a little bit
for the Lions. There's been so much

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trust in Brad Holmes and what he
has done, and the fact that they

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don't have a top ten pick,
and the fact that you know they only

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have three picks in the top one
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aren't as excited for the Lions actual
draft more so than just the event being

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here in Detroit. So I think
I'm with them there. I think I'm

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just excited for the city to be
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Why do you think so many Lions
fans trust Brad Holmes? I mean,

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the results speaks to themselves, right. I was just kind of writing

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up something today on how I think
the first major decision he made has resulted

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in all the dominoes following the way
they have, and that is them deciding

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to stick with Jared Goff in twenty
twenty one. You know, they had

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a lot of draft capital back then. You look at that twenty twenty one

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draft class. You know the quarterbacks
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two. Out of those three guys
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and so the Lion's got to keep
all of their draft capital. They

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stayed patient to their board. They
got Pina sul who was one of the

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best offensive tackles in football, is
not the best, and everything falls into

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place. They get to keep all
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which have turned into some big playmakers. I think last year is really the

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kind of tipping point for fans where
I think they realize, you know,

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Okay, Bradholmes is doing something a
little bit unconventional. Maybe we don't like

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him drafting a running backer linebacker in
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all feats for themselves. Those guys
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lines down the stretch, and they
made an NFC championship for just a second

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time in franchise history. He is
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of Detroit. You can follow him
on ex Detroit on Lieon. When you

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mentioned Jared Goff, what do you
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Because he's got another year left on
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haven't heard that a new one is
forthcoming anytime soon. Can you give us

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an idea of what you think his
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I'm still lonto the impression that that's
going to be one of the biggest priorities

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of the safseason. I know,
talks haven't really moved too much, you

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know, leaks that none of the
leaks have really come out that that they're

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close or anything like that. But
I think that's just kind of how Brad

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Holmes operates. He doesn't operate with
urgency when it comes to contract negotiations.

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Sometimes they get done in May,
sometimes they get done in August. But

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everything this coaching staff has said,
really from the minute that Jared Goff stepped

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in the in the door, is
that he's our guy. We believe he

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can win, and he proved them
right pretty much every step of the way.

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After, you know, they improve
the roster around him. So I

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think that's kind of their philosophy is
Jared Goff is a quarterback that when we

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get the right pieces around him,
he's going to succeed. He's going to

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win, and he's going to give
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So I think that's kind of the
plan going forward. I would very

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much expect a you know, mid
to longish term deal getting done sometime this

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offseason that'll probably have Jared Goff around
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I'm not saying, you know,
once he hits thirty three, thirty

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four, that's it for him.
But you know, the people that might

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think, you know, head and
Hooker is waiting in their wings and might

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over the starting job in a couple
of years. I just I don't see

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that happening. I think this team
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they think he gives them the best
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with Brad Holmes and Chris Bielman and
all the people in the front office,

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along with Dan Campbell, I don't
know if I've ever seen from Afar an

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organization that is so finely tuned in
on the same page. The symmetry that

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they have with one another is a
big reason on why this franchise has had

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a success. How has that transpired? Do you think? How quickly did

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that take place? Yeah, it's
a really really good question, because yeah,

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I'm with you. I think that
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done. And it almost feels a
little bit by accident, right because they

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hired these guys separately. They have
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Brad Holmes didn't really have much of
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but it almost you know, the
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they clicked immediately, they saw things, you know, the same way,

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And I think part of that is
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think hiring Matt Patricia kind of taught
them a lesson in terms of ego,

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and that seemed to be one of
the main things that they were looking for

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in the power structure of this team
is guys that don't have that ego,

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that are willing to listen to other
people, that are collaborators, that are

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transparent with each other, And so
having people with those kind of qualities as

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a person in the front office that
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If you're transparent, if you're honest
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disagreeing with someone and listening to someone
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get along a lot better. And
so I think just highlighting those personality traits

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where leadership positions led them to being
able to have a harmonious front office,

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which is, like you said,
a key to success. Jeremy Riseman's our

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guest, who's the edited a chief
of Pride of Detroit. You can fall

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them on x at Detroit online getting
ready for the NFL Draft on Thursday.

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What do you think Detroit's biggest needs
are. Yeah, it's tough because there's

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not a lot of them. In
terms of starting roles. I'm not sure

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there's one available for a rookie right
away, particularly one that you might draft

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as low as twenty nine. But
in terms of depth, in terms of

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future needs, that's to me,
I think the key of what the lines

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might do here it's not so much
needs in twenty twenty three, but needs

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in the long term. You know, you have a couple offensive linemen on

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expiring deals this year, so maybe
you go offensive line. You have cornerbacks

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on one year deals. So I
think those are two areas that I could

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see the lines going early. Wide
receiver is another one where maybe there's an

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opening for a starting spot, depending
on what you think of a guy like

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Dotivan People's jones. And then in
terms of depth, I think safety is

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probably the biggest need where they really
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And you know Ifatu Melifond is a
guy who's only started a few games at

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the safety position, so I don't
know how much you can trust him right

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away, but I would I would
highlight maybe those three or four positions,

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wide receiver, offensive line, corner, and safety. Do you think what

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has made Brad Holmes so successful is
that he drafts based on his board and

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the best player available and doesn't necessarily
draft for need or do you think it's

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a different philosophy there. No.
I think that's been absolutely key to what

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he's done. He's set it over
and over again. But if you start

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reaching for need, you're not going
to get the player you want. And

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so I think that, combined with
their very strict policy in terms of getting

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football players, guys who love ball, guys who are committed to the game,

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and having that be a non negotiable, has led them to have a

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culture that where I think it's not
just you surround yourself with good players,

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but surround yourselves with good practicers,
guys who are going to motivate each other

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and kind of be a forced multiplier
in a way that you know, a

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guy like I'm on Ross Saint Brown
isn't just worth what he does on the

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field and all the balls he catches, but he's worth it in developing a

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culture in that wide receiver room.
He's going to make his receivers better,

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He's going to make you know his
his running backs better, He's gonna make

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everybody better with the way he puts
in the work. So kind of surrounding

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yourself with that kind of guy while
also making sure, yeah, we're a

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team that just needs talent. That
should be the primary focus. And that's

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easy when you know you have so
many needs because a lot of the times

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you get these talented players that match
up with the need because you have so

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many It'll be interesting to see how
he sticks with that, and he says

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he will stick with that kind of
that philosophy even though the line's needs have

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have gotten smaller and smaller and smaller, and maybe maybe just having no needs,

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no immediate needs, makes it easier
to kind of follow that philosophy.

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But yes, that has been an
absolute key, I think to what the

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Lines have built here, perfect world, but realistic world. Because when I

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say perfect world, so many people
immediately go, well, I'll tell you

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what I want. I want Marvin
Harrison Junior or whoever could be. Okay,

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that's not going to happen. You're
not getting the Leak neighbors. He's

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not going to be available. And
if you're an in the trenches guy like

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me, you're not getting Joe Alt. But perfect but realistic world. How

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does Detroit address that need in the
first round? In your mind? Man,

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it's tough, I think to me, it's maybe one of the offensive

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linemen falling to Detroit. There's there's
so many offensive line linemen that could go

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in the top twenty, that go
in the top thirty. It's just one

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of them. And you know,
maybe maybe a team scares off, you

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know, because there's two or three
interior offensive linemen that are are off the

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board. They don't want to settle
for the third or fourth best. But

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someone like Graham Barton out at Duke, I think is a perfect fit in

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terms of character, in terms of
toughness and grit. He's a guy that

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can play maybe all five offensive line
positions. He's a guy that's right on

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the border there of whether he will
or won't be there. Jackson Powers Johnson's

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is another offensive linean that I think
a lot of people here in Detroit really

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really like. I'm a little bit
lower on him, you know, even

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even some of the offensive taxes.
And I know, you know, there's

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been talks about bringing back Decker.
You're obviously going to hand pinasa will Monster

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contract, but if the Lions want
to, you know, have a little

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bit of an insurance pall or get
a guy that could play both tackle and

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guard. A guy like Tyler Geydon
is another one that I really like,

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and I know people are probably screaming, like, naw, let's get defense,

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Let's get defense. I'm a little
bit scared about a lot of these

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prospects. Like Chop Robinson is a
guy that could have a very, very

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high ceiling, and to get someone
with those athletic traits all the way down

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at twenty nine is rare. But
he's got a lot of boom bus potential

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as well, so I'm not sure
I'm very high on him. That said,

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I would say, like Cooper john
the corner some people view him as

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a safety out of Iowa. If
he falls to Detroit, I think that

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would be a nice marriage of maybe
a little bit of a bigger need within

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a you know, more competition needed
at that cornerback position, combined with who

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I would think would be one of
the best players available at twenty nine.

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Yeah, I would agree, Or
on Nate Wiggins, a cornerback out of

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Clemson, That's possible, So there's
a I think there's going to be a

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good player for him. In case
people don't know who we were just referring

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to Jackson Powers Johnson as the kid
out of right and Tyler Gidon played at

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Oklahoma, I believe. Yeah,
So I think those are the Yeah,

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those are the guys that you were
referring to. It's interesting that the options

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Detroit might have. Jeremy Riseman is
the editor chief Pride of Detroit, and

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you can foll him on ex at
Detroit on Lion. There has been speculation,

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and I stress that word, it's
just speculation that Brad Holmes could actually

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trade out. We have seen him
do both trade out and trade up.

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What would be the benefit there and
what you think Detroit could get if they

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chose. I know, it depends
on where they go. It depends on

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the team. But it seems to
me the offset that they've got plenty of

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draft picks trying to address some of
the things that they need to address.

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How do you see that as a
as a major benefit for Detroit. Yeah,

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I think it kind of depends on
your view of this overall class.

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I think there is kind of a
common perception that maybe this first round is

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maybe twenty twenty five players deep.
So if all those twenty five players are

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gone, I think it's a fair
assessment of this draft class to say the

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guys from like twenty six to forty
five are all kind of on that same

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level, that same plane of you
know, talent, and if that's the

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case, you know, trading back
would would make a lot of sense.

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Again, you look at kind of
the draft capital that this team has.

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They only have three picks in the
top one fifty. After that whatever seventy

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second pick in the third round,
they're not picking until after one fifty.

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So I think that's the that's exactly
the value right there, is to make

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sure that there isn't that huge gap
of where you're not picking anybody and you

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know, eighty ninety players go by
without you making a selection. But again,

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like that's only valuable if you believe
there are talented players in that draft

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class, Because you look at what
they did last year. They basically used

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all their draft capital to get all
their picks in the first three rounds and

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then they had you know, one
or two picks late in the draft.

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And Brad Holmes said, like that
was we wanted to get in and out

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of that trast We wanted to get
all of our picks done early because we

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didn't think it was a deep class. So if you don't think it's a

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deep class, a trade out isn't
going to make a ton of sense.

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But if you do, kind of
think everyone on that you know, late

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first, second, early second are
all kind of the same level of talent,

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and you want some extra maybe third
round picks, maybe a fourth round

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pick that they don't currently have,
and then I think it would make sense.

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Okay, I could talk to you
for an hour, but I only

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got a couple more minutes. I
want to get your quick thoughts on this.

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Are you of the belief that the
top four quarterbacks go in the top

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ten picks? And if so,
why, Oh man, that's a tough

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one. I do think they do, and it's mostly about need. To

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me, I think there are just
so many quarterback needy teams right now that

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you know, I very much do
believe that the first three picks are going

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to be quarterbacks. Obviously, the
Patriots are kind of the wild card since

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they have so many needs and Bill
Pelichick isn't there, so it's hard to

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know what direction they go in.
But Craft has been pretty open about wanting

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a quarterback, so I think they
get it. And with Minnesota, I

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think lining up, you know,
two first round picks, now it seems

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like a foregone conclusion that they're going
to trade up into the top ten and

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get one dip to make it four
in the top ten. To me,

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almost the more interesting question is,
like Bo Nix and Michael Pennix, Do

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those guys make it in the first
round? Are we going to see six

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in the first round? Five in
the first round? That one is a

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much tougher question, but I would
say, yeah, I would expect four

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quarterbacks to go in the top ten
this week. Yeah, it's a great

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question. Lastly, biggest surprise so
far in the off season. After Zach

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Wilson gets traded to Denver, Andy
Reid extended by Kansas City, that's not

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a surprise. But what's been the
biggest surprise to you in the NFL offseason

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so far? Man? To me, kind of the saga of Kenny Pickett

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has been fascinating, And again it
goes back to this quarterback carousel of guys

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that the Lions all passed on in
the past. But you know, it

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seems like seemed like the Steelers were
going to be perfectly fine having Russell Wilson

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there and Kenny Pickett kind of learning
from him and maybe even being the quarterback

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of the future once you learn behind
Russell Wilson. But Thickett had no interest

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in that obviously, and now he's
probably going to be a backup somewhere.

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So that I mean, all the
quarterbacks kind of shuffling around, and really

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this has kind of been a pretty
common trait, right, We saw it

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with Aaron Rodgers the year before.
It just seems like there's a lot more

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quarterback carousel than there has been in
the past. To me, Matthew Stafford,

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Jared Goff, it's kind of shocking
to me that the teams are being

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a little less patient with their quarterbacks. But it is such a tough position

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to figure out, and some teams
will take as many swings at the bat

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as it takes. I guess okay, I lied. I got one more

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for you because I told you I
could talk to you for an hour.

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What's the strongest position in this draft? Do you think so many people have

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talked about the quarterbacks, right,
I think the top three wide receivers are

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pretty special. There's a lot of
people like, as you mentioned, the

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offensive lineman. Where would you say
this draft's biggest strength is? Yeah,

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well, if I could say more
broadly, it's clearly offense. Right,

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you got the question, you got
the wide receivers, you got the offensive

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lineman. I think, you know, if you're an offensive team or a

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team that needs offense, I should
say this is a very good draft for

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you, which I would say also
kind of benefits the lines. Right,

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They're not a team that has a
lot of offensive needs. And so back

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down at twenty nine, maybe you
see a ton of offensive player goes and

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one of those top tier defensive players
slide to you. But if I had

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to zero in on one position,
I think it's wide receiver. And again,

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I think this is a part of
a bigger trend where you know,

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the the NFL style offense is starting
more starting to be a lot more like

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college style offense. This whole idea
of a pro style offense where you're running

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the ball and you know, you
got two running backs in the game and

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three tight ends. There are some
teams that still play like that, but

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not a lot. And so I
think you're seeing a lot of these,

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you know, eleven personnel three wide
receivers out there kind of mimic the college

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game. And you know, I
think you can find good talented wide receivers

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on Day two that could become like
Pro Bowl type players. We've seen that

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in the past, you know,
we saw what I'm on rad we saw

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with Pooka and Nakool last year.
That is just something that has really been

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a forward moving trend, and I
think this year's draft class is no exception.

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Well, that's really good news for
the Lions if they want to do

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that. The record for most offensive
players selected in the first round in a

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draft is nineteen. That has happened
three separate times. And if you look

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at Cazar's sportsbook, the over under
for total offensive players this year is twenty

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one and a half. Jeremy,
Jeremy, great, great stuff, man.

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I really enjoyed it. Really enjoy
your stuff. Keep up the great

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work, and I hope we get
a chance to talk to you down the

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road. Very insightful stuff. You
can fall him on X Detroit on Lyon.

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He is Jeremy Riseman. He's the
editor Chief Pride of Detroit. Great

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stuff. Thanks for your time this
morning. Enjoy the draft on Thursday.

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You deserve it, man. Thanks, I appreciate it, you bet,

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great stuff. Really appreciate it.
And a really good guest, what great

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insight. Really enjoyed that I hope
you did too. Any thoughts that you

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might have after they conversation very insightful
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