WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.600 My husband woke up one morning to the wolf's going off. His eyes were 2 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:06.200 still blurry. He had just woke up. The wolves woke them up. 3 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:10.839 He looked out that side window at the wolves, and there was this big 4 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:15.640 black figure back there and my barrel wolf. He was an easy one hundred 5 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:19.559 and sixty pounds. He was big, and he wanted to eat that thing. 6 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:23.320 And my husband said, he don't know if it saw him, the 7 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:27.000 thing saw him through the window, or if it sensed him being there. 8 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:30.920 I just got tired of the wolves going off at him. But it just 9 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:34.359 did a one eighty and walked and disappeared back into the woods. You know, 10 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:37.640 I've had the wolves go off. I've had I had three inside dogs. 11 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:40.679 I had the inside dog, the chickens, the guinea hens, the 12 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:45.359 horses. We had nights where it was just bizarre. It wasn't pleasant. 13 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:23.000 You know. The crazy thing is we bought the place sight and see. 14 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:33.000 Yeah, we were in Florida. We're both raised in Florida and from o'calla. 15 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.239 We moved over to you know, originally we're from Pompino Beach area all 16 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:40.560 the way down to South Florida, but we went from there to Orlando, 17 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:44.079 over to the Gulf Coast. We loved fishing, but it just wasn't our 18 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:49.359 cup of tea with how cojusted it had gotten so like a couple of people 19 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.120 that we knew were from Arkansas. One had just recently moved from the Tampa 20 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:57.920 area to Arkansas. So they started standing me thankful. You know, you 21 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.480 don't know where you're going, so check out these places. So it's just 22 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:05.439 like, oh cool, Yeah, you know we could sit in with that. 23 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:07.960 You know, we missed the salt water fishing, but hey, you 24 00:02:07.960 --> 00:02:13.919 know Mountains Freshwater Fishing National Forest. Yeah, we went for it. We 25 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:22.319 bought it seventeen and it was a clash of two different worlds. Yeah, 26 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:25.000 but it was cool. You know. We got in there at night and 27 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:29.479 and it was just like the moon was crazy. We had a truck, 28 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:31.719 a van. The truck was hauling a one horse trailer, a four horse 29 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:38.479 stop trailer. The other truck was hauling another horse trailer with all our belongings 30 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:42.120 in it. And we pulled in there at night, and I mean it 31 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:46.199 was bad weather and it was freezing, the wind was blowing. We had 32 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:50.800 to move some trees out of the road to get up in there. Up 33 00:02:50.800 --> 00:03:01.680 in the mountains and coyotes were going off and it's just like okay, but 34 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:06.000 yeah, waking up the next morning was just dropped at gorgeous because you could 35 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.800 look out our front door and you could see Rich Mountain. That night we 36 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:12.639 used to be able to see the lodge up there. Lake Wilhelmina Large, 37 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:16.479 the large Lake Wilhelmina. So yeah, it was it was cool. And 38 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:20.879 I'll tell you what, it didn't take long. I don't even think we 39 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.479 were reverre for two or three weeks. And when you would walk from the 40 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:30.599 kitchen into the living room, you had this big picture window that would face 41 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:35.360 horse pattern, but when you walked at an angle, you would see down 42 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:38.639 into the valley. Oh, my husband's just like he furrows and he's looking 43 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.360 down there. He's like, get your jacket on. I'm like what he 44 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.960 was, get your jacket on. So, you know, he wouldn't talk 45 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:46.960 to me. I mean, it's just I don't know. Ed is trying 46 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:52.599 to rain. And he finally told me he had seen the back end of 47 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:57.439 something, you know, all black, but it was just like the butt 48 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:01.159 cheek, yeah, all the way down and said it looked human. I 49 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:08.680 go, okay, and you know, we would have weeks or months with 50 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:14.120 nothing happening. And I think one of the funniest things that well, it 51 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:18.800 wasn't funny then, but we were doing the windows and I gave my son 52 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:23.759 the windox and paper towels and I said, go do your windows. So 53 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:27.120 I'm in the kitchen doing the windows and I hear him call me. He 54 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:29.680 says, mom, get in here. I says, what. He goes, 55 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:31.360 just get in here. I'm like, what I'm doing. You know 56 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:35.160 how kids are. It's a teenager, right, And he yell for me, 57 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:41.839 there's a camprint on my window. I'm like, well, use the 58 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:46.399 wom bed and at all, like you don't understand it? Tell me outside, 59 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:50.240 huh oft in there? And I was just like, okay, I'm 60 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:53.480 on being honest, and it's just like, okay, yeah, I saw 61 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:58.199 the outside. And the thing is is that that cabin was elevated off the 62 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:02.959 ground, elevated, and I think when my husband measured it, I think 63 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:08.079 the bottom of the handprint was seven feet four inches off the ground. Wow. 64 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:15.439 And that handprint stayed there for years outside and I believe it was I'm 65 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.879 not sure if I'm pronounced thinking his name correctly David Polyads. I'd spoken to 66 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:24.480 him at one of the Hanobia festivals and my son and himself was talking to 67 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:28.519 him about the handprints, and he said, you know, it's possible the 68 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:31.800 reason it's stayed there that long is it could have been sap you know, 69 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:36.120 tree resin. Yeah, that were on the palms of the hand, possibly 70 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:41.279 for the oil. But yeah, that's stayed there for years. I mean, 71 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:46.279 I know that. Now Doug Hichek is kind of leading the charge into 72 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:53.680 this research about a possible waxy residue that they might have on their skin and 73 00:05:53.800 --> 00:06:00.160 especially their hands. It's something that gorillas actually have and really yeah, and 74 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.199 like you're saying, there's a lot of situations where people have found handprints that 75 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:11.439 they think might be from Bigfoot that leaves kind of this residue on a window 76 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.800 or a car or something like that. Waxy interesting. Yeah, Okay, 77 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:19.079 right now they're actually in the process of trying to determine if they can pull 78 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:25.439 any DNA from that waxy residue because they can actually collect the waxy residue. 79 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:30.639 They've collected some of it from different people, so now they're in the process 80 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:34.279 of seeing, okay, well, can we actually pull DNA from this stuff. 81 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:40.800 So it's interesting you know that you mentioned that, and maybe the future 82 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:45.240 will hold some new puzzle pieces for us. Crazy thing is, I did 83 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.279 take a piece of tape to see if I could lift any type of thermal 84 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:54.000 Uh huh. I didn't think about saving that to collect what could have actually 85 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:57.639 been on the whosdow and all this stuff happened. You're no longer living at 86 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:02.079 this property? Correct? Correct? Was this happening? Yeah, we bought 87 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:05.079 the top down, maybe off by your ear or two, but I believe 88 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:11.399 we bought it in two thousand. I believe we've moved here December eighth, 89 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:15.759 two thousand and four. Okay, so the early two thousands were talking close 90 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:19.879 to twenty years ago. Oh yeah, geez, don't even want to say 91 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:26.360 that out loud. I know, and dinosaurs rules here. Yeah, yeah, 92 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.959 let's talk about your trip down to the mailbox that kind of got the 93 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:35.519 ball rolling. Oh yeah, that horse, by the way, got slipped. 94 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:42.839 It actually looked like somebody took a machete and racked him on his butt 95 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:47.120 cheek, And that probably maybe happened maybe two or three weeks after that happened. 96 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:53.240 But yeah, it was a queen and that if you're familiar with horses 97 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:58.600 and fencing, that entire paddock was no climbs with hot wire. There was 98 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:03.079 nothing in that paddock that could have done that. Huh. Walked out the 99 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.920 door. I have to go past that paddock. But before I even got 100 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.879 up to the paddock, I heard a loud clank, clank, clank. 101 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:18.720 Okay, there shouldn't be anything clanking back there. I mean like a metal 102 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.199 sound, like metal on metal, metal on metal, and kind of just 103 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:28.160 to set the setting for everyone listening, this is a mountain cabin out in 104 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:33.840 the middle of nowhere. Yeah. I had nobody to the west of me 105 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:41.600 for a long ways. The person to the north of me probably two or 106 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:46.919 three miles, I mean behind me was all cattle fields. So there should 107 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:50.919 not be you know, nobody's out there working on their buick or anything. 108 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.799 No, but it's it's interesting that she brought up a vehicle back behind that 109 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:03.519 paddock. On that next twenty acres, there's an old logging road that when 110 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.440 you're leaving the property and you go to the left, that old logging road 111 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:13.200 is right there. That's still part of my property. And there is this 112 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:20.960 old maybe fifty seven fifty eight shovy car laying on it hood and that's where 113 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:26.240 the old homestead was supposed to be back in the days. That was the 114 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.440 only thing metal out there, was that the direction the sound was coming from. 115 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:35.720 Yeah, yes, that was the only thing metal out there. I 116 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:37.720 mean, I can't think of anything that, you know, what would be 117 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:41.320 making that sound. You know, it would something be like hitting that old 118 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:46.200 car, and like, why why would it be doing that? Well, 119 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:54.720 I always go to humans first before I sure. Sure, So we didn't 120 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.519 own that property yet, but we were getting ready to put a contract on 121 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:01.720 it. So I'm like, Okay, somebody's messing around, and maybe it's 122 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.279 a poacher. Maybe somebody's doing this. Maybe somebodys knew that. Yeah, 123 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.120 concerned somebody might start a fire back in there, right, So I went 124 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:18.159 in the house and got the rifle, walking back in that direction, and 125 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:26.240 a horse jerked ahead hot motion, and I had this black thing running from 126 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.759 the right to the left down into the valley, and it was the craziest 127 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:37.600 thing I'd ever seen with the way it ran, I mean, it wasn't 128 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:43.200 normal, with the way the legs, and I don't understand how something could 129 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:50.279 run like that thatt fast with its arms back behind its back like that, 130 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:58.440 and from the waist there was no movement. I didn't see any bobbing of 131 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:03.799 the head. It was move in my head, I'm thinking, is that 132 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:11.799 a turkey flying? You know? And there was actually thin, thinner than 133 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:16.759 the drawing I sent you. It kind of reminded me of a mirrorkat, 134 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:20.840 which is the crazy thing. Huh you know what aracat is? Yeah, 135 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:26.000 yeah, yeah, that's what it reminded me of. But with its chest 136 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:31.000 boat out all black, and the way it moved its legs, I think 137 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:37.039 the closest that I could come to explaining what it might have looked like is 138 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:41.600 where I writed some people say when they see the move they have a ski 139 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:46.399 movement like somebody's. It really wasn't like that, but it was kind of 140 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:52.159 like that going by the description that you sent me and the drawing that you 141 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:58.399 sent me. It was all black, uniform in color. That is how 142 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.559 I That's the only way I could explain. Even though it was under the 143 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:09.840 trees, we kept the trees lifted because horses were right there, So we 144 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:16.639 had like a twenty foot lo area and then the trees behind that for about 145 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.039 maybe forty feet in we had the branches lifted, meaning that they were sawed 146 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.120 off. Okay, so you could get the conduct yourself. It was still 147 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:31.360 undershadow, but it was still very visible. So to me, I saw 148 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:37.320 all black. How tall was it? It couldn't have been more than four 149 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:43.639 feet tall. It couldn't have been, especially when I used the horse wire. 150 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:52.159 That horse wire, I think that was forty six inches twelve to thirty 151 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.399 six forty eight. It was like forty two or forty And it was below 152 00:12:54.440 --> 00:13:01.399 that running on two legs. Huh. And it's it's got its chest boat 153 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:07.200 out yep. And then it's arms that This is the thing that just blows 154 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:13.519 my mind. I've never heard a description like this. The arms were angled 155 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:22.519 backwards, angled backwards. And the other thing is my perception when I saw, 156 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:30.279 how can it run like that and not be looking where it's going and 157 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:35.559 not facebalm a tree? Because the chin looked as though it was tilted up. 158 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.399 That's the only way I could explain my perception of what I saw. 159 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:50.639 It wasn't a bear. It was not a bear, for sure. I 160 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:58.320 don't know what it was. I don't We're talking about extremely extremely rugged terrain. 161 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:05.960 Yeah, and this thing is running downhill with its arms angled behind it 162 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.159 while looking at an up angle, not even paying attention, really not looking 163 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:18.320 where it's headed exactly. And if it came from where I think it may 164 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.279 have came from, which would have been across the road down to the creek, 165 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.320 it would have had a gone down and up some pretty wicked ravines. 166 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.320 So I don't know. There's no way of knowing of it right like that 167 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.600 the whole way, or it just went into that mode as it came to 168 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:39.279 where the horses were. I have no idea, and I probably thought for 169 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.320 at least he or four seconds. And I'll tell you what, if you 170 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:46.759 look at the timer on a watch tower, four seconds is pretty long. 171 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:52.679 Yeah. Yeah, seeing something like that, it's a lifetime. Yeah. 172 00:14:54.759 --> 00:15:00.919 And I have looked at reports for so long now, still looking to see 173 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:05.039 if I could find something similar. Now, the only thing I think I 174 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:13.159 might might have found similar to the body shape is an old report in La 175 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:20.440 Floor County, Oklahoma, where a gentleman was hunting and he saw one in 176 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:26.399 a tree. Was it running at the speed of like a person? Oh 177 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:33.240 no, what I thought? Oh no, no, no, this I'm 178 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.720 gonna sound like an idiot when I say this, but it's just like it 179 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:41.480 was on fuel turbo. It's hard to explain. I know people, other 180 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:45.080 people have seen them, so I don't have an issue talking about I don't. 181 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:52.399 It's just trying to explain something that you've seen that nobody may have. 182 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.519 So I'm a firm believer in saying that if you haven't experienced it, you 183 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:03.679 can't understand it. You have to experience it to understand it. After you 184 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:10.480 see it, it goes out of you. Could you hear like the brush 185 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:15.600 and stuff breaking as it ran or was it quiet? Oh, I'm going 186 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:22.159 to go into something again. Weird. It was like a rush sound. 187 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:30.759 Now, if you look at the picture what I drew, you could see 188 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:36.679 where it shaded up behind the back going up. This is stuck in my 189 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:41.279 head. Well, when I first thought, I thought that might have been 190 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:48.200 a tale going straight up. But I was watching something a couple of years 191 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:52.320 ago and it had an animal I don't know if it was a jaguar or 192 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:57.879 some kind of cat running so fast that it was kicking up like a dust 193 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:03.160 storm and a bunch of a bunch of and I'm like, oh, I 194 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.160 wonder if that's what I saw. Thinking it was a tail. That's how 195 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:12.720 fast it was moving. Wow, I've never seen it again, just that 196 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:17.720 one time in the whole time you lived there. My son traveled. We 197 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:22.519 saw the same thing the same day. That's with the picture. That's the 198 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:26.920 peekaboo. Yeah, that was the same day. I called my husband. 199 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:30.400 My husband was working down in Texas or in Mississippi, and I called him 200 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.039 right away. You're not going to believe what I just saw. Got my 201 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:41.720 son got the camcorder that wasn't charged, so that was worthless. And we 202 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.400 started walking the road and we walked all the way to the mailbox, and 203 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:52.119 nothing happened. Once we got past that old logging road where that old car 204 00:17:52.319 --> 00:18:00.440 is on its food. As we're walking back towards the cabin, as flush 205 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:03.559 and we both said at the same time, that was a rock. I 206 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:08.759 still had that first rock, but that wasn't the only rock. It probably 207 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:15.279 happened three or four times. We got rocks chucked at us, and the 208 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.480 wolves started going off. Now the wolves are all the way back at the 209 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:25.000 cabin on the other side of the back horse paddock. They were going nuts, 210 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:30.640 and it was either me or my son started walking back up towards the 211 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:36.640 cabin. But I remember looking at my son and he was doing that over 212 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:42.200 exaggerated pointing. Yeah, So I started walking back to him and that's what 213 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:48.240 I'm thinking, he sees something, and I kept my eye exactly where he 214 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:52.480 was pointing, which was this big, huge oak tree, and I walked 215 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:55.720 right up to it, looked behind it, and I mean my heart was 216 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:57.279 beating. I didn't know what was going to be behind that thing, and 217 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:04.000 there was nothing there. There was absolutely nothing there. So I don't believe 218 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:10.359 I looked up, which I should have, but that tree was solve. 219 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:15.279 It could have dully called in the opposite direction away from us. So we 220 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:22.519 thought that was it. Okay, nothing, so welcome back to the cabin. 221 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:30.079 I open up my van to look for my gear bag with my battery 222 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:37.559 charger from my camcorder, and my van got plastered with gravel while you're standing 223 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.359 there, Well, I'm standing there. Wow. I mean I would have 224 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:48.680 probably jumped on my bridges right then and there. Uh huh. I've been 225 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.319 locked out of the house by accident when I've had something like that happened to 226 00:19:52.359 --> 00:20:00.440 me. Comical now, but it wasn't comical then. It's just many things 227 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.400 that can Chuck Rocks. Yeah, I mean, and I'll tell you what 228 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.480 vindication is. And you could edit this out if you want, because I 229 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:15.039 don't know if I'm supposed to say anything or not. But the fro was 230 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:21.400 out at my place and a couple of things did happen, and we were 231 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:26.799 all sitting around a campfire, and we had a rock get chucked from the 232 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:30.759 valley where they had a cam set down in the direction where that cruier ran. 233 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.559 It came wishing through the trees and landed right in our area, and 234 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:42.839 everybode a walk. Yeah, and I think the cam went off a couple 235 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:47.720 of times, but nothing was on the camp But get to me, that's 236 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:51.200 a vindication. At least you know, other people have experienced stuff there, 237 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:55.480 so it wasn't just us, and their whole group was there, so there 238 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:59.839 was nobody messing around in the woods. Backing up for just a second, 239 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.079 if you don't mind, describe what your son said he saw that day. 240 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.759 It stuck its head out at an angle. And I talked to him about 241 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.279 it the other night because I don't want to put words in his mouth, 242 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:15.000 because I told him i'd be talking to you about that, and I wanted 243 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:19.440 to make sure, So it's not like it's a person would step out and 244 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:23.759 then step back in. You know. I played peekaboo like that. It 245 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:30.160 was its head sideways and then behind the tree, and then the other side, 246 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:36.720 leaning its head out, just the head as far as I know. 247 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:40.240 I asked, you, do you remember seeing any hands. He's like, 248 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:42.000 well, that's like fifteen twenty years ago. I said, I know, 249 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:49.799 but but I'm sure I've got all this stuff posted on that other website could 250 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:56.960 used to share everything. Yeah, he did say the eyes were beady black. 251 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:02.759 He said that's when his eyes were focused on all black. It matter. 252 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:06.039 You know. The interesting thing is I do a lot of bigfoot artwork 253 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.880 that just several times now when I've done the eyes, because I believe life 254 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:14.960 is in the eyes. When I do art org, it's say they need 255 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:21.079 to be all black. That's how he remembers it is all beady black eyes. 256 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:29.079 Now, the only time I could have possibly seen some level of facial 257 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:37.240 features was along the other dirt road, which was the old actual road that 258 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:42.839 used to go through from one main paved road to another paved road that was 259 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:52.119 shut off, and my van we had a fence there and a lot of 260 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.200 trees that separated because then you had to drop down. So from our property 261 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:03.599 down to that old road was an major dropped down anywhere from three feet to 262 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.799 six feet. It dropped down so you couldn't see. You could there's places 263 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.720 you could stand in the yard and not see what's down there on that groove. 264 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:18.839 But I looked out the front window when I saw something next to my 265 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:26.079 van, and it was very quick and it was black, but I did 266 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.440 see a hint of lighter on what would be the face. My son saw 267 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:34.839 that too. That was the only time the two of us saw one or 268 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:42.279 something at the same time where I could have possibly seen some level of what 269 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:47.559 could have been a face which would have been lighter than which was all black. 270 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:53.759 You mentioned while ago of the uh your wolves started cutting up. Did 271 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:59.240 you ever feel like they were maybe being focused on or being messed with or 272 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:03.960 anything? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Matter of fact, my husband woke 273 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:10.200 up one morning to the wolf's going off, and you'll tell you his eyes 274 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:11.960 were still blurry. He had just woke up. The wolves woke him up. 275 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:18.079 He looked out that side window at the wolves and there was this big 276 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:22.960 black figure back there, and my barrel wolf. He was an easy one 277 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:26.559 hundred and sixty pounds. He was big, and he wanted to eat that 278 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.680 thing. And my husband said, he don't know if it saw him, 279 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:36.359 the thing saw him through the window, or if it sensed to be here. 280 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:38.880 It just got tired of the wolves going off at him, But it 281 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:44.160 just did a one eighty and walked and disappeared back into the woods. You 282 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:48.240 hear so many stories about, you know, these things and dogs. It's 283 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:52.480 really interesting that you had wolves and their reaction of these things. It wasn't 284 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:57.079 pleasant. I still haven't been able to find that longer vocal, but it 285 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:04.119 actually or I had that external might hanging out from the recorder. It was 286 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:10.680 close to the wolf pen. And when those wolves went off, it was 287 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:15.400 so loud it distorted their voices, their vocals. That's how loud it was. 288 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.759 That's how loud they went off. You know, I've had the wolves 289 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.880 go off. I've had the I had three inside dogs, I had the 290 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:26.920 inside the chickens, the guinea hens, the horses. We had nights where 291 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:33.359 it was just bizarre and it could have been a bear at times. You 292 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.799 can't blame everything on these things, right, you know, we had beer 293 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.880 out there, we had packs of coyotes. I watched my Star Wars chase 294 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:44.319 a pack of coyotes out of his paddock. I mean, that wasn't unusual 295 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.200 for that area, and I'm sure it's still not unusual now. It's still 296 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:51.759 crazy back in there. One of the interesting things in the in the photos 297 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:55.759 you sent, uh was a picture of a coyote with an apple in its 298 00:25:55.799 --> 00:26:00.759 mouth. Uh huh. I was doing a lot of search. I'm a 299 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:06.000 researcher. I dig i dig, I dig for what other people have done, 300 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:11.240 and I kept getting my apple store. They actually liked the yellow apples 301 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.240 better than they like the grit Nay, like the Granny Smith, the more 302 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:21.240 expensive ones than the red ones, and my apples tipped. I figured, 303 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:25.519 okay, this is getting expensive. But then again, my husband would get 304 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:27.839 me free apples too, so that helped. So I tried something different to 305 00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:32.079 try and see whatever stealing my apples. I want them to stop and think. 306 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:36.559 So I put a jar out in with the apples. I don't know, 307 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:41.440 the jar just being something different. I don't yell, but I got 308 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:48.440 them. That was my apple stealer. I've done the same thing with painting 309 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:56.400 baits and getting possums and raccoons actually pulling the strings up to get to the 310 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:02.200 food. Yeah, my wife likes to she saw somewhere on the internet. 311 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:07.359 She gets pine cones and smears peanut butter on them and then puts birds set 312 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.240 on them and hangs them by thread in the trees for the birds, and 313 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.680 the birds never get to them. The squirrels get them instantly. As soon 314 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.480 as she walks inside the house. The squirrels run over there and pull that 315 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.640 thread and just lift them right up to the limb and just chew through it 316 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.240 and take off with it. Animals are est, But I mean I had 317 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:33.119 never even you know, if somebody asked me yesterday, will a coyote eat 318 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:38.960 an apple? No? Absolutely not. And here you have photographic proof that 319 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.720 a coyote has an apple in its mouth and it's taken off with it. 320 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.480 Oh, you've gotta be kidding me. But these are the things that are 321 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.839 important, I think, because you know, people will leave food gifts out 322 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:56.920 for Bigfoot, and whenever an apple disappears, your first instinct is to say, 323 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.920 okay, well, what could carry off an apple out? Well, 324 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:04.359 a coyote. A coyote will carry off an apple. Talk a little bit 325 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:10.160 about the h the incident with the deer carcass. Oh, that was my 326 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:18.799 husband's underwear book. We because we were having so much activity at one point, 327 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:23.960 we actually went to Harbor Streight and bought a security system with the videos 328 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:30.079 and all that, and we had the main camera pointed down into the valley 329 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.200 and my husband, Saul, it was hunting season, the ant attack, 330 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:38.000 saw the boot stepped out the back door in his underwear and popped the book. 331 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.519 So he's been proud of that. That was an eight point, by 332 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:48.680 the way, but skinned it, wrapped it in cheese call, had a 333 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.640 hose spring on it all night long and it was cold out so we could 334 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.680 do that, and it was hanging high. I've got pictures of it hanging 335 00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:02.119 from the rafter and I said. Water was kept on it all night. 336 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:07.680 And the next day he went out to check on it and he asked. 337 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.920 He came back in and he said, do you mess with the cheesecloth, 338 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.680 And I said no, And he went back out and I looked out the 339 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.680 window and he's doing the cheese cloth because he was going to go ahead and 340 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.880 section it out. Came back and he goes, come out here and look 341 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:30.440 at this okay, and he's like, what's that. I'm like, looks 342 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.240 like something taste tested it and that was high. I mean, I've got 343 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:38.440 a whole sequence of ticks right broke everything. One actually looks like a bicustard. 344 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:45.119 And that's not cut. That's a pressure mark. I don't know. 345 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.160 You know, you think, Okay, why didn't I put a game cam 346 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.000 on that? Why didn't I do this? Why didn't and I do that? 347 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:57.759 You know? Frame is now my big lesson learned is if you're going 348 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:02.640 to put cams out, put it on still shots, put it on video. 349 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.319 Yeah, hindsight, of course, but I don't want anybody to think 350 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:12.599 you're claiming that like Bigfoot took a bite of this deer's It's just another thing 351 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:18.119 to add to the pile of weird stuff that was taking place at this property. 352 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:23.960 Exactly weird, you know, And you could go for months and nothing 353 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.279 happens. As matter of fact, I do believe that was the last situation 354 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:34.079 that happened before we moved, and we didn't move because of that anything. 355 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:38.240 I mean, most likely if it would have kept going, and we probably 356 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:42.039 wouldn't have moved, you know, because it kept things spicy. Did you 357 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:47.119 ever have like anything slap in the side of the house or anything like that. 358 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:52.839 Oh gosh, yes, matter of fact, in my son's room when 359 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:59.160 we were just talking about this the other night. His bedroom faced the valley 360 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:06.480 and he was sitting on his bed one night and I came. I was 361 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:11.839 talking to him through the doorway. Something naked on his air conditioning. You. 362 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.640 Yeah, we had all kinds of stuff happen there. And you mentioned 363 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:26.559 rocks on the roof. Oh yeah. We had a big get together and 364 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:32.319 it was a two story cabin and somebody said, hey, do you know 365 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:38.480 you got rocks on your roof. I'm like, Carl, Yeah, there 366 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:41.880 was rocks up there on my two story roof. I mean, how does 367 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:48.519 that happen? Yeah? Exactly what else happened to the house? Oh, 368 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:57.839 I've only had really two real fear situations. I was in a sound sleep. 369 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.400 I was sleeping on the room cliner with my head against that picture window, 370 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.519 and before I knew it, my son had my ankles and was dragging, 371 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:10.839 literally dragging me off the couch to get my head away from the window. 372 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.720 He said there was one well, can't make right through the window. 373 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:19.359 I did not say it, he did, and we didn't keep curtains on 374 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:24.960 the windows where we lived. We didn't need to. But the other time, 375 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:30.839 me and another researcher or we had hung a bait line from the fence 376 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:37.160 where that actual old dirt road was the original road, not the logging road, 377 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:40.160 but the original road. So we had a bait line set up. 378 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.920 Both had camcorders with the IR and the bait line started bouncing up and down. 379 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:52.440 Turned out it was a possum, so I want to rerun the line, 380 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:58.319 turned the camcorders down, put the rifle down, walked up to that 381 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.200 fence line where the land drops down to that old dirt road, and it 382 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:07.599 sounded like a jet in the distance. Well within seconds that git in the 383 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.799 distance sounded like a four wheeler. And then in a couple of seconds that 384 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:16.160 four wheeler turned into a growl, and it was just like we got bluff 385 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:21.839 charged guys. The first time I have to admit I ever streamed me, 386 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:30.599 I streamed one. I was terrified. That's interesting that you're talking about, 387 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:36.160 you know, the sound of the growl and how it builds like that. 388 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:40.319 I'll never I'll never forget. And it's so hard to describe to people. 389 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:46.240 But like the growl I heard, And again I did not see what was 390 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:52.160 making the growl, right, but it sounded like the only thing I could 391 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:58.200 compare it to is I'm from the city and I live pretty close to an 392 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:04.440 expressway, and to me, it sounded like a big diesel truck, like 393 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:09.360 a semi truck. M m hm. I mean it's that type of volume 394 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:15.639 in that low rumble, and your brain just starts trying to equate the sound 395 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:20.400 of things you've heard, because it does not sound like a dog growling or 396 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.039 anything. It doesn't sound like a bear growling. It's way louder than that. 397 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.159 Yeah, your your brain is trying to trigger in what is it? 398 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:35.559 Yeah? What does that connect to? So in the distance I connected to 399 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:43.920 a jet engine in the full room. Nope, that's a ground So yeah, 400 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.239 and you do feel it, you do it, It rumbles in you. 401 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:52.559 Anybody that's been around this thing long enough, if they're worth their salt, 402 00:34:52.880 --> 00:35:01.239 they've seen a certain photo and this photo came from you. Yeah, 403 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:09.159 only most people see an altered version of the photo exactly. But let's talk 404 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:15.320 about the photo. What's the story behind the famous photo, the pick from 405 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:22.800 Hell? All right, So where that little critter whatever it is where it's 406 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:28.039 sitting or whatever it's doing. You see the telephone pole behind there, right 407 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.840 yeah, well right behind that telephone pole is where that road drops down. 408 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:38.000 You can't see what's down there unless you walk up to it. Now, 409 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:50.920 to the left was a three tall shop, so one all the way to 410 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.559 the left used to be in my seed room. It was open air and 411 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:58.800 he was open in the front, closed in on three sides. Yeah, 412 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:05.079 the middle up the further end. I used to put you know, spare 413 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.039 hay and all that stuff in there. But my chickens I had free ranging 414 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:14.360 chickens would still go in there and lay their eggs in there, and that's 415 00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.039 where we used to gather the eggs. I used to give a dozen, 416 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:22.159 two dozen, sometimes more a day when it's laying season from all those chickens. 417 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.519 My eggs all started disappearing, nothing, not not even a drip of 418 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:31.239 yolk. And my husband started walking around. He's like, okay, we're 419 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:36.159 going to find out where the raccoons are or the possums or whatever's taking the 420 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.719 eggs. So he saw where there was a little trail, game trail going 421 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:47.159 down alongside that power pole down to the road and across the road down to 422 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:53.159 where the creek goes, which the creek was about a quarter mile away, 423 00:36:53.320 --> 00:37:00.679 So that's where we set the camera to catch a raccoon or whatever that was 424 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.840 stealing eggs, and that's what we got. What do you think it is? 425 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.440 I'll tell you what. I've done a lot of work on it, 426 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:15.559 and I've held back on putting it back out there. Yeah, and maybe 427 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.840 a month or two I'll put it out there because there is a whole bunch 428 00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:24.679 of paradoia going on in there. Things that you believe you see is just 429 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.840 matrixing of the reeds. Do you think you see a bird. It's not 430 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:36.960 a bird. There's things going on in there that don't make any sense. 431 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:42.519 I don't know what it is. Now. What I did do to that 432 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:55.920 is I dropped it and I took away the view contrast. I was only 433 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:02.039 working what was already there, taking away making dark when it was already there. 434 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.840 And I'm OCD when it comes to asymmetrical stuff, because I'm an artist. 435 00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:14.559 I was saying things that were asymmetrical that if it was paradoia, didn't 436 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:22.639 make sense because eyes, nostrils, what appears to I mean, it doesn't 437 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.880 make any sense. So I would like to do a complete well, actually 438 00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:30.280 I did a complete breakdown on everything, and I think it needs to be 439 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:36.519 looked at one section at a time and just let people flice and dice it. 440 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.119 I mean, that's what happened in the beginning. But it's been jacked 441 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:45.559 so many times, you know, the little caveman's face has been put on 442 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:50.079 it. It ended up on a hunting Arkansas hunting farm where a guy climbed 443 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:53.599 it on his own and telling even telling people how high he had the cam 444 00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:58.920 off off the ground. I'm like, hi, hello, glad you like 445 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:07.880 it. Years ago, I kind of worked behind the scenes with another podcast, 446 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:15.199 just helping out, and it was whenever I really first. I had 447 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:19.320 a few years under my belt in the field research side, and you know, 448 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:23.199 it was pretty big on myself and just I wanted to try and create 449 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:29.000 a vocalization that I had heard out in the field that I didn't record, 450 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:34.000 and I just you know, kicked myself in the butt over not having it 451 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:39.000 recorded. And I was messing around with some audio stuff and I wanted to 452 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:44.199 see if I could recreate what I had heard, and I couldn't get it 453 00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:52.480 exact, but I got something pretty similar I created one on my computer. 454 00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:59.360 It was not an animal of any kind, and I posted I posted it 455 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.519 on the internet, you know, in all the different bigfoot forms and stuff 456 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:07.440 for other people to use as a comparison to maybe what they heard out in 457 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:14.360 the field exactly. And last year, I think it was maybe the year 458 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:22.519 before I found it on another video and it's been you know, we're still 459 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.960 talking the same timeframe. It's been close to twenty years since I made that 460 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:32.840 audio. Yeah, and people are currently using it in TikTok videos and other 461 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:42.239 videos and going viral. There was one video in specific that it was used 462 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:46.039 for a hoax. It was supposedly a mushroom hunter and this video even made 463 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:51.480 it to like a television show, like featured on the History Channel. And 464 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.559 it's my audio that I created on my computer. And this jackass is just 465 00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:01.280 he's got a whole story behind it. He was mushroom hunting and this whole 466 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:05.599 thing, and I'm just like, are you kidding me? And like every 467 00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:08.960 few months, another new video will pop up with that audio that I created 468 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:14.280 all those years ago, with a new story behind it. So I understand 469 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:19.639 exactly what you're saying with the picture. It's sad, you know, because 470 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.239 that's why you stop. Well, at least for me, that's one of 471 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.400 the reasons I stop sharing. Why I even bother. Yeah, your photo, 472 00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:32.880 I have seen the original photo without it being doctored, and I don't 473 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.639 I don't have any idea what's in the photo. It's a very interesting photo. 474 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:43.119 Well, you know, there's there's six in the series, the edited 475 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.360 version where somebody you know added the face to it and everything. I mean, 476 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:52.440 I would say at this point that's a famous Bigfoot photo. It looks 477 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:57.800 better than the original. Well, sure, because it shows what everybody wants 478 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.679 to see, you know, that's what everybody's waiting on, is to see 479 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:07.760 a photo or a video of Bigfoot. True, true, Just unfortunately, 480 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.920 the vast majority of stuff I've seen out there is not photos or videos of 481 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:20.400 Bigfoot. They are usually hoaxes or misidentifications that people just add a story to 482 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.760 and run with it. And now we got to worry about AI yeah, 483 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:31.480 yeah, which is popping up everywhere. And ye if people don't get on 484 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:36.199 their toes and learn how to recognize it, you're in for a world of 485 00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:40.400 hurt, That's all I'm saying. Yes, sir, Another thing that I 486 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.000 wanted to mention that I wanted to talk to you about. You talked about 487 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:51.519 some of the attention that you got over the years for the activity happening on 488 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:53.559 your property. I imagine the photo has something to do with it as well. 489 00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:01.119 You had actual images to back this up of a mystery vehicle that showed 490 00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:07.079 up at your property. Oh that's not the first time. Oh I've got 491 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:13.039 them on video. I just haven't put it out there, but I will 492 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.440 share it with people if they think they could ideam. Even though it's going 493 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.800 back that far. That's a dirty pool, you know, to have your 494 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.800 tag. To me, that's where somebody took electrical take that wasn't just like 495 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:28.880 that. That's to me, that's black electrical tape. Yeah, that's something 496 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.960 physical on the tag. People knew I was doing a lot of game camera 497 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:38.320 work. I mean, just a quick description. This is like a pickup 498 00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:45.960 truck that you don't recognize obviously that you got on camera, that was sitting 499 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:50.719 at your property for an extended period of time, almost an hour, like 500 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.000 they were observing you. I don't know what is what they were doing, 501 00:43:54.599 --> 00:44:00.519 and they have literally taken something probably electric table like you're saying, and covered 502 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:06.639 up their license plate with it, which was also captured on camera. Yes, 503 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.639 sir, and that's not They're not the only one. I mean, 504 00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:14.039 that's scary. Yes, it was, especially because I would be there alone 505 00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:20.360 for months at a time. Geez, and they me and I used to 506 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.320 fire off a lot, you know. And I did that because, hey, 507 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:29.559 there's somebody back here. Whether they knew it or not, there's somebody 508 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.440 back here. You wouldn't know there was anybody living back where we lived. 509 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.400 And I've hit the ground in the house, hit the floor because I had 510 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:45.280 gunshots close. I've had spotlights at night showing from the front woods into my 511 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:52.280 kitchen window. It wasn't pleasant at times. I think we had game and 512 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:58.679 fish out there two or three times at night because we had a lot of 513 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.280 shooting going on the truck for me. You know, we were on twenty 514 00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:08.119 six acres, but we had National Force on two sides of us, so 515 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.880 it's kind of hard to track people down when you have trespassers or poachers or 516 00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.960 who knows who they are. Yeah, you know, you could only do 517 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:22.199 as good as good as you can do. And we only had one gentleman 518 00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:27.760 who had open season on the property. He was old man Allen. He 519 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:31.920 was a retired navy sailing He even we gave him his own area where he 520 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:37.159 could hunt, and he put up a headblind and he had his cams out 521 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:42.000 there and he used to haunt Happy Man when he got a hog out there. 522 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.239 Never got his deer. But he came up to the house one day. 523 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.119 Thought he was going to show me some more deer and hog picks from 524 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.559 the cam, but instead he goes, you know who this is. I'm 525 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.000 like, you know, there's this guy who was posing right in front of 526 00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.280 this camera, right looking right at the camp posing with is he on a 527 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.719 side arm? I mean, do you think these were like poachers? I 528 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.880 don't know who they were, but you don't poach with a side arm. 529 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:12.760 No, you don't. The other guys in the truck, I have no 530 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:19.199 idea. Now I will say this about the guys in the truck. Maybe 531 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:25.119 a day, maybe two or three days prior to that, that pertrick ended 532 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:30.039 up on another website and somebody had contacted me and said, yes, well 533 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:35.320 it's back, and they let me know where it was and I went back 534 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:39.079 in there and I climbed it. You know, you could find anybody on 535 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:44.440 the internet I never made any I used to post his paint horse, but 536 00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:49.039 I never made any It was never any secret who I really was or where 537 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:55.079 I lived. And yeah, that happened with those guys in the truck like 538 00:46:55.119 --> 00:47:00.000 two or three days after that. I mean, I'll just ask you, 539 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.360 blank, do you think any of it was connected to the Bigfoot activity? 540 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:09.519 It's possible, It is possible. I don't know who those people were. 541 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.639 They could have gotten hurt. They could have gotten real hurt, really hurt. 542 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:21.159 So whenever I hear these stories and like, you know, you send 543 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:27.400 me those pictures, it's not only just how scary it was for you, 544 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:31.880 but the kind of person that would, I mean literally risk their lives. 545 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:37.599 What were they doing. They know better than to be doing that trapesing around 546 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.320 on somebody's private property in the middle of the night and shining spotlights and stuff. 547 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:45.920 That's how you get killed. So whatever they were up to, apparently 548 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:51.159 they thought it was worth the threat. Well, it was never worth anything 549 00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:59.159 to me but a headache. But it was fun. Everybody needs a good 550 00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:06.760 fear of Russia. Did you ever see any like I have to ask, 551 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.159 like orbs or anything like that? Oh? Oh yeah, Oh my god. 552 00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:19.119 Orange visual, not just in the pics, but visual floating orbs orange 553 00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:23.039 orange. My son out his window one night. He still talks about it. 554 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:28.320 He still describes it as a Star Wars scene. Oh yeah, we 555 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.360 saw crazy stuff there. Oh. I got quite a bit of stuff on 556 00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:36.559 video. I've got so much stuff on video on old CDs and everything. 557 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:42.159 Yeah, I got quite a bit of strange stuff. But that's life, 558 00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.440 I mean, not everything. And life is black and white. I mean 559 00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:52.559 there's some room for color in there, you know. And it's okay to 560 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.679 have an open mind about things as long as it's not so open your brains 561 00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.440 for a lot. So I stay open. But it doesn't mean that I'm 562 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:06.039 into it or believe everything, but I'll think about it. Has your position 563 00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:10.400 changed any about Bigfoot over the years, that their flesh and blood? No? 564 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.239 No, I can't do romance, I can't do whore. I'm an 565 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:22.480 EmPATH and I don't believe in I mean, this is just me. I 566 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:27.000 don't believe in the mind speaks. I just don't. Other people do. 567 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.960 But that's okay. I'm going to do me. They could do them. 568 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:37.159 But you never experienced anything like that personally. Well, But I know people 569 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.960 talk about getting zapped. I don't know if I want to use the term 570 00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:46.880 zapp but I know I keep bringing it up where the old Chevy is. 571 00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:53.000 That was one place on the property you would get a bit disoriented. You 572 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:57.480 knew where you were. It's just like, Okay, which way do I 573 00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:00.199 turn to get back on the path, even though the path was right there. 574 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:04.480 That happened to several people. Huh. It's almost the sense of feeling 575 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:09.360 lightheaded. Yeah, and just ranted. Not every time, but there was 576 00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:14.440 something odd about that little area. I wonder if they could have been using 577 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.559 that old Chevy. I don't know. I do know that's the only thing 578 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.079 out there that could have made those clanks sounds, because we went back out 579 00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:28.480 there and we banged on it a bit. Nothing ever came back and did 580 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:32.719 it again. But it was the sound that I heard. The sound. 581 00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.960 Yeah, yeah, And it wasn't just the car. There were old springs. 582 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:45.719 There are old shocks, I mean old parts of strings, you know, 583 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:50.199 springs from them tires. So yeah, there was a lot of stuff 584 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:54.599 there if you could beat on. Now, if that was connected to what 585 00:50:54.679 --> 00:51:00.639 slipped my horse, I have no idea. Was that It's the only time 586 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:05.079 an animal was injured on the property. Yes, sir, yep, that 587 00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:12.440 was the only time crazy stuff. It was crazy stuff, huh. And 588 00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:19.119 I hope I'll end up on another time. Yeah. It's got a little 589 00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:22.480 bit bored here living on the highways, so I'm ready to go sharal again. 590 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:28.559 Well, I appreciate you coming on and sharing your story with me all 591 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:32.079 mister met You've been a pleasure, sweetheart, and it's been fun. If 592 00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:36.239 you've encountered a bigfoot, a dogman, a ghost, a UFO, or 593 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.519 anything else you can't explain, send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail 594 00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:44.280 dot com. If you get a chance, check out my website Bigfootcrossroads dot 595 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.960 com. You can find past episodes, merchandise, links to the social media, 596 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.079 everything you need, all in one place. And until next time, 597 00:51:52.159 --> 00:52:23.599 remember there's something in the woods.