WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.960 Now one of your pudding. I got a string going on here, something 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:07.919 just because my dog. Something killed your dog. My dog. We're flying 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:10.160 through the air over the tree. I don't know how it did it, 4 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.960 Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 5 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:18.160 over the fence and he was dead. And once you hit the ground, 6 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:20.640 like, I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming 7 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:40.799 over the fence. Sat, what are you putting? We got some wonder 8 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:51.960 or something crawling around out here? Did you see what it was or was 9 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:54.759 it was? Standing enough. I'm out here looking through the window now and 10 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:58.920 I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus, quice 11 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:06.120 you by hello. Get somebody out here. Quent on out there. I 12 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:10.159 thought of a mention about text nine. I don't know eating out there. 13 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.280 Yeah, I'm walking right. Hey. I want to welcome my guest to 14 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:15.959 the show. It is Marsha from South Carolina. Welcome to the show, 15 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.840 Marsha. Hey, thank you nice to be here. I am so glad 16 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:22.359 to have you. Let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot 17 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:26.719 thing. What got you interested in the subject to begin with? It wasn't 18 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:33.000 really on our radar growing up, or it really became an issue for one 19 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:36.879 of those actually duty of the Marine Corps, which is the first time I 20 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:42.000 had an encounter. And night four I went to Bridgeport, California in the 21 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:49.040 Sierra Mountains. It's the Marine Corps which are training facility there. You go 22 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:53.640 there usually four to six week One particular evening, I was standing what you 23 00:01:53.760 --> 00:02:00.200 call guard duty Marine Corps were called firewalk. I was standing on top of 24 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:05.079 a wood pallet and it elevated me a little bit in the snow. There 25 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:07.800 was about maybe about the foot of snow on the ground, and off to 26 00:02:07.919 --> 00:02:12.919 my left. In front of me was a line of trees, some of 27 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.639 them pretty big trees. The starhead of the garden, the call fold. 28 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:20.319 They dropped me off. This is before it helped Be's. We had jeeps 29 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.439 and dropped me off and to stay in my three hour walk. Gave me 30 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:29.319 a log book. I had my AM sixteen and I had a magazine pouch 31 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:35.159 of three magazines in it with ammunition. So after about a half hour being 32 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.520 on my watch keeping in sight of everything around me, the snow was frushed 33 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:44.240 out there. There was a moonlit night, very cold, very little wig 34 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.800 but very cold. It is probably ten degrees. All of a sudden, 35 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:53.960 I fought a little bit of movement by a tree that's about thirty feet away 36 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:59.280 from me. Out from behind this really white tree steps south, this very 37 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:04.759 tall harry black hair, very little neck, very broad shoulder, fairly see 38 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:09.680 the whitesid's eyes. I froze. I thought I was a hard charge and 39 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:14.680 were not afraid of anything in the world. Six foot seven three and twenty 40 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:20.360 pounds, I wasn't afraid of anything in the world. This animal five pid, 41 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:27.520 this not from behind the tree. Maybe he was there well before the 42 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:30.639 stargeant of the guard dropped me off. But he stepped out and we locked 43 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:36.120 eyes at thirty feet. I froze. I didn't think I put my weapon 44 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:40.000 on fire. I did think about loading the magazine. I just froze. 45 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:46.319 I learned a lot of humility and that eight pens stuck it encounter that I 46 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:52.599 wasn't the biggest and baddest thing on the field that day. I thought it 47 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:57.120 was fire. My head was when you're twenty two years old, you think 48 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.520 you're all that. But when I saw bes squads, I knew I was. 49 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:04.560 That's where, like I said, about eight to ten seconds he turned 50 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:11.159 and was gone. The tree was between me and I. He was just 51 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:17.519 gone that fast. And later when the step fenstiel Charts came by, I 52 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:23.319 told him and he just looked at me and grinned, and he was part 53 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:26.439 of the permanent party up there, and he said, just log it in 54 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:31.839 your book as you encountered local indigenous life, wildlife, and don't make it 55 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:36.040 any more of it than that. So that's what I did. It wasn't 56 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:39.439 that he was telling me to cover it up, or it was some giant 57 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:43.560 government conspiracy or anything. You were just looking out for me, so people 58 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:47.199 weren't harass The last time I did in the Marine Corps, and it always 59 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:51.319 weighed on my mind. What was that? I mean? I know I 60 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:57.240 wasn't saying thing I've done around the world by that time. I know what 61 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.120 I saw. This was not a bear. No, it was bigger than 62 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.959 me, and it made me look tiny. That's the first time ever met 63 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:09.360 something that made me feel tiny. That's my first encounter. I know you 64 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:14.680 said this thing was massive. Is there any way that you can estimate size 65 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.040 as far as height and weight on this thing that you saw? Yeah. 66 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:21.920 Later I walked over to that tree putting the rifle butt up next to my 67 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:27.439 ear. The top of the rifle was just about as high as he was, 68 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.720 so that would be close to nine and a half feet. Using my 69 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.639 height in the length of the rifle, about nine and a half to ten 70 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:41.360 feet, very thick. I would estimate weight eight to nine hundred pounds. 71 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:45.399 It's huge. Like I said, up until that point, if you had 72 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.240 talked to anyone in my spot, any one of my fa foods, I 73 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:53.279 was the enforcer, who was the gorilla in the room, and I felt 74 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:56.240 nothing to stop me. When we are a young truth your Marine Corps, 75 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:00.279 you're made to feel you're invincible, and being my skies, I really thought 76 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:05.600 I was invincible. However, seeing this really showed me I was the biggest 77 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:12.160 bad thing in the forest. It really showed me that I am. I 78 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:16.920 don't know if I am sixteen, I could have fired off all ninety rounds. 79 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:21.120 Probably we're in the spot. I had three magazines of thirty rounds. 80 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:27.720 Zep it waned a fivety five six millimeters. I don't think that would have 81 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.439 been calful enough to do that. Now, when people have an experience that's 82 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:34.920 fairly close up, there's really no doubt what you're seeing. It usually causes 83 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:40.079 people to go in one of two directions. Did it push you to want 84 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:42.720 to know more about these things? Did you want to go down the rabbit 85 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.040 hole? And did you go down the rabbit hole? As far as your 86 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:48.079 research and looking into these things after your sighting, I not only went down 87 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:53.079 the rabbit hole, I dug a bigger rabbit hole because I was looking for 88 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:58.360 that night and to ten foot rabbit. I retired from the Marine Corps while 89 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:02.079 on the after duty. I went to school and then subsequently going to college 90 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:09.079 after the working co parting the Master's Science tree. Being a field geologist, 91 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.480 wherever I went in the field, it was always in the back of my 92 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.600 mind. Are one of them there? And I just told myself when I 93 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:24.560 got to a spot where I could put some effort into researchiness as a scientist, 94 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:29.720 no fly by night stuff, just true science. I was going to 95 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:33.160 do it with no hesitation at all. That's what led me to my next 96 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:38.879 encounter. I was in Montana and we were camped a free camping area. 97 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:45.240 Late that night, heard something jostling all the fans in our storage coats and 98 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:49.279 whatnot. In the moonlight, you can cast a shadow the squad shot to 99 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:55.920 my tent. I just la froze the same way I froze that night in 100 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:00.439 nineteen eighty four in Bridgeport. The next morning, looking around, things were 101 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:05.120 jostled, you could tell. But about forty five to fifty feet away from 102 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:09.759 our camp site there was like a seasonal metal that had about waist high grass, 103 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:13.879 and that grass was matted in the circle about ten foot diameter, as 104 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:18.000 if something had laid there. When I looked up the slope of the skill 105 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.839 that was next to us, about a sixty seventy foot high slope, and 106 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:28.759 it happened that's called the one to one slope forty five three angle of the 107 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:33.159 stones Rock, And in the middle of that slope was a four inch diameter 108 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:39.039 log with a tree bulb sticking straight up in the air. And that log 109 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.720 had been jammed into the face of that hill. That just clicked all the 110 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:48.759 bells and whistles for me, and I said, Okay, I'm getting it. 111 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.080 I'm getting I'm understanding what I'm really up against here. This is not 112 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:58.240 my imagination. I know what caused this. I'm good. So I just 113 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:03.200 predict my old little personal notebook and went on about my business. A few 114 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:09.879 years later, I went on my first expedition with the BFRO again. I 115 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:16.679 started researching a lot of different sites and individuals, reading everything I could, 116 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:22.600 everything put out by doctor Tetch, doctor Jeff Meldrum did all those things basically 117 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:30.320 starting a week from the chest being out in this valley with five other people. 118 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:35.279 We're in a horseshoe shaped valley and we're on this little finger that shoots 119 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.200 out into the middle of the valley. The ledge is about twenty feet wide. 120 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:45.200 The slope went down about eighty feet and came back up to another ridge 121 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.320 making the other side of the horseshoe valley. And behind us to the south 122 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:54.919 there was another clope about seventy feet and it went up to a ridge behind 123 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.600 us, and so we made a little fire and within a couple of hours 124 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:05.440 and they got dark. Party to look Philly and just to our left my 125 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:11.200 left and I'm facing north, so about twelve feet away, there's something moving 126 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:15.960 in the brush in the thicket. And I turned my fleer on and I'm 127 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:18.559 skating the area and I looked down because it's so close, I didn't see 128 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:24.559 that first. There's a deer just a hunker down in this thicket. And 129 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.879 it's not running. You would think it would be scared of us, and 130 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:31.960 it's not. It's just hunkered down and it's as low as a can of 131 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.519 the ground. After seeing that, one of the people in our group says, 132 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:41.600 hey, something's being thrown at us. Who's doing that? We get 133 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:46.879 one pine cone, a second pine cone coming from the north from one side 134 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.960 of the bridge, and then all of a sudden, a rock but behind 135 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:56.799 us. So and Don's on our leader there, what's going on? And 136 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:01.039 she is telling everyone's stay calm. If you got a fleer, turn it 137 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.159 on. Let's see what we can see. And so to the north there's 138 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:11.559 a line of bushes that are seven or eight feet tall, and me being 139 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:13.600 as tall as I am, when I stand up out a ridge, I 140 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:20.600 can see over that line of shrubbery where the people with me aren't so tall 141 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.600 and they can't sleep beyond it. And so I'm looking with my flear and 142 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:31.480 I stopped this bright, hot white image. I see head and shoulders in 143 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.480 the image. This is about twenty one twenty two feet away. Holy juice. 144 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.039 I stay out loud, not yelling, and I go, I got 145 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.159 a clean lock right here, funding right here. Finding the outside of the 146 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:48.840 woods and everyone's tweezes. As soon as our team leaders walks over to me, 147 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:56.000 the squatch takes off down that slope and across the field rubbery and bushes 148 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:01.519 that are to you or I would come up. Shoulder high or maybe waist 149 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.840 high is down there. It's knees and weight, maybe midchest. This a 150 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:13.000 female. She runs down to the base of that little draw up the side 151 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:18.519 of the other ridge and stands there behind a bush, and it's weaving back 152 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.120 and forth. What was really spectacular. This is my first flaar sighting, 153 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:28.000 my first time using a flair. It's just incredible. However, we spot 154 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.320 two small hotspots on either side of her up in the tree. These hotspots. 155 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.279 Later the next day we'll be back to the measure. We're about four 156 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:43.679 and a half to five feet in late. We suspect now juvenile. She 157 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.360 was weaving back and forth behind a bush. I think leaving it. We 158 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.320 can't see her when she's behind the bush. And the flair is such a 159 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.399 good quality now that you can actually see your excale. The temperature is in 160 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.799 the high thirties, you know we Xdale. You get a cloud of steam 161 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:05.240 comes out. You could actually see her exhale. While all that was taking 162 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.639 place behind us, stones were being thrown at us. The deer hits up 163 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:15.000 in bolts, and the two behind us we could hear them stopping. It 164 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.240 sounds like they're stopping as they run, and they run to the east. 165 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:24.240 One comes up behind our parked vehicles. I mean you can see the silhouette, 166 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.240 probably eight and a half about a good three and a half fourth fee 167 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.519 higher than to the roof of the pickup. Goes running between the vehicles and 168 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:37.600 takes ball. The second one, we both these were males, cook off 169 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:39.919 the other way and went off to smoke. We started came out clear, 170 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.039 but he was moving so fast you just lost them in the dense woods. 171 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.480 And once they get out to about three hundred four hundred yards, your player 172 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:54.519 starts losing some of us available signature. We shot back and thought about that. 173 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.960 We're all just breathing heavy, trying to keep our exposure of what he 174 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:05.240 just experienced, what we have seen. Just that. We were watching a 175 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:11.200 hunting party. The female, the two juveniles were chasing a beer into the 176 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:18.159 waiting hands of two males. We were just haphazard, clumsy humans. We 177 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:22.080 had to walk out in the middle of it, and the squatches stayed away. 178 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.240 They tried to scare us away, heavy breathing, throwing things at us, 179 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.559 and we didn't bud. We just stood up and pointed at them. 180 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.039 I think they acted under the better part of valor and just said, Okay, 181 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.799 we'll run away, we'll wait for you leave, and we'll still crack 182 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:43.759 down that deer. So we get back to camp and were we poort in 183 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.440 well excited, a wready up the detailed report for the expedition leader, and 184 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:54.120 later that night go to sleep. I'm in my tent and I'm sleeping on 185 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:58.159 the outer periphery of the camp, and across from me, about sixty seventy 186 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:03.639 feet away, it is the camp leader this table, and he's got some 187 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.720 food he had left out on the table. And about three point thirty in 188 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:13.080 the morning, I'm sleeping in my cot. I'm slightly elevated grade where I'm 189 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:18.519 sliding down my cop because it's uneven ground, but my head and ear its 190 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.159 face is probably no more than ten to twelve inches away from the canvas of 191 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.000 my tent. About like I said, three o'clock in the morning, I 192 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:31.080 wake up moaning in pain for loud buzzing white noise in my head in my 193 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:35.559 ears, and I can hear something by my head breathing, and then it 194 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:41.919 gets up. I hear it run across the way to the camp leader's table. 195 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:45.960 I hear it run back, and you can hear the feet just couple 196 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:50.120 into the ground and I can feel it. Meanwhile, I have splid down 197 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.240 my cot because I'm not sleeping that level ground. As he's running back, 198 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:00.559 a hand from outside my tent pushes my feet that are pushing at the side 199 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.679 of my tent because my tent's only seven or foot wide, so it pushes 200 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:08.240 my feet and pushes me right up to my cop like I was a rag 201 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:12.159 ball. They just pushed me straight up, made me rolling out of that 202 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:18.639 cop faster than anything I've ever done, made me jump up, really scared 203 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:21.519 the dictions out of me. I stood there, froze for a minute. 204 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:25.960 I'm trying to wait for the white noise and the pull of my head just 205 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:30.759 the side a little bit my tent. Meanwhile, people in the camp are 206 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:36.600 they're waking up because other people have experienced and heard this. We've got a 207 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:41.200 couple of screams, like a war type scream out of this tamp Lear's now 208 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:45.399 woken up. The food Dad been left on the table had been smashed by 209 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:51.159 these two other people had recorded the screens. They had recorders out from the 210 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.759 entire times and they get there and set up any expedition they have a record 211 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:57.120 in the middle of camp. They let it run for three or four days. 212 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:02.720 They recorded me yelling at my sleep, moaning and painon. We suspect 213 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:07.319 some form of infrastyle maybe or something be projected at me a while that one 214 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:12.319 was kneeling down next to my tent, so close to me again. I 215 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:18.119 wrote a report handed into seam leader. The rest of the expedition, every 216 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:22.000 one's a while. I feel like a little touch of these in this little 217 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.960 touch of vertico. It took a while, a good twenty four hours for 218 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.319 some of that for me to clear the toblets out the speed. We went 219 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:37.160 back the subsequent night where we have seen the hunting, the potential hunting events 220 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:41.000 again. People have things thrown at them a corns, pinecos et cetera, 221 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:45.400 but only from the north side. When that happened again, the team layer 222 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:49.400 pulled everyone out, thought that it may not be a safe deal that go 223 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:53.599 there touched to second time it may not be safe. And so I finished 224 00:17:53.640 --> 00:18:03.240 that expedition having gathered that these are real, live, hooping, running enities, 225 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:08.000 and it just furthered by Ferber wanting to know more, investigate more. 226 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.680 This is one of the things that's come up recently on the show. I've 227 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.720 had a couple of listeners post some questions in our Facebook group asking me if 228 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:22.400 I documented encounters where people there were more or less talking about aggressive sasquatch and 229 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.079 where people have actually been touched by a sasquatch. I think the guy called 230 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:30.559 it skin on skin. I even joke that's like a whole different podcast when 231 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:34.680 you're talking skin on skin. Yeah, yeah, this is exactly. But 232 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:38.880 we were talking about it. When you have situations where these things are touching 233 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:42.079 people and you're not the first person that I've actually talked to this has been 234 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:47.359 touched through a tent. What is going through your mind when this thing is 235 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:49.599 putting its hands on you and, like you said, pushing you up this 236 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:53.400 cot like you're nothing. You had to have that moment of this thing could 237 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.799 kill me if you wanted to. All right, let me ask you a 238 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.000 question. Have you ever been swimming and stay a lake or pond? And 239 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:04.200 as you're in waste deep water, something swoons up to you and touches your 240 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:08.599 leg. Yes, that kind of react. You don't know if it's an 241 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:15.039 alligator, a little two inch sunfish, a water moccasin, a star. 242 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.799 I had no idea, But you learn to walk on water and run as 243 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:23.000 fast as you can because you don't know what it is for something to push 244 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:29.559 move up the cor I rolled out that car very quickly. My first thought 245 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.200 was, I know I was touched. How come my head's hurting? What's 246 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:37.240 going on? At this time, I'm more concerned with the pain of feeling 247 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:42.000 in my ears, in my head. It just it was so loud. 248 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:48.400 It was so loud. But I've been touched once with obviously the canvas between 249 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.920 never skin on skin do. I saw that posting and that's why I did 250 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:56.599 it was fond. I have not been touched Kinski. Remember, I'm putting 251 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:02.880 myself into these situations. I'm not actu hunker just popping to the woods. 252 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.799 I'm not someone who's just casually out there hiking. I'm out there intentionally looking 253 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:12.480 for this encounter. So I want to gather more information, more reconnaissance. 254 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:17.920 Praise. You learn real quick in the Marine Corps is all recon as good 255 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:23.440 result. Any information you can gather is good information. It neither proves a 256 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:30.000 positive or proves the negative one of the two. The next time was North 257 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.000 Carolina. I can't really speak to the location right now, so I'm winning 258 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:37.759 have permission from the property owner. Standing up in my tent. The center 259 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:42.000 of by tent is seven foot two and it slopes down to the end. 260 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:47.720 The tent is seven feet by sixteen feet, and it's seven foot two in 261 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:52.400 the center and on the side it goes down to about six feet before sun 262 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:56.279 up, and my head's poking and lifting up the top of the tent where 263 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:02.440 I'm standing. After two or three times probably looks curious, and all of 264 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:07.519 a sudden, I feel something from outside my tent pushed my head and it 265 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:12.400 basically throws me to the ground. At that time, I'm now a little 266 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:18.079 bit more mature. The first thing I do is I grabbed my rifle underneath 267 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:22.400 the pot and I chamber around. I carry Henry forty five to seventy with 268 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:27.759 four hundred and twenty grain rounds. That's enough to take on an elephant, 269 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:32.359 a hippo, a charging where iino, whatever you got it'll take it down. 270 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:37.119 I was waiting to see what was pushing on me. After about five 271 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.680 or ten seconds, I caught myself down to go come out. You're overreacting, 272 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.680 so unzip the tent door. I look out the door. There's nothing 273 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.799 there, and I went, okay, But that was a brand. There 274 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.039 was a potential winter maker. That's what I'm telling myself, that's what I 275 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:55.200 want. However, there was no branches on top of the tent or near 276 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:59.799 me. There was no branches above my tants. Something had to have done 277 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:03.680 that. On top of my tent, in two different locations was a faint 278 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:10.799 outline of a white like oily substance with three fingers in one spot and a 279 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:14.960 thumb and the index finger and another. The index finger was about six and 280 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:22.480 a half into long. My hypothesis is that this scoatch saw something popping up 281 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:26.359 and down in the canvas. It was curious, reached out and passed it. 282 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:30.519 That's my assumption. It was the second time I was tut that an 283 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:36.559 entire expedition. There had squatch walking around my tent as soon as I did, 284 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:40.400 about two thirty three o'clock in the morning untill sunrise. So there's always 285 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:45.559 something watching something outside. There was six of us camp there, there was 286 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:51.720 four tenths. Most other people were staying in hotels in town and you would 287 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:56.039 hear something jostle a coxs and pants. One of the tricks you learn is 288 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:00.640 when you're out there on an expedition or something like that, when you go 289 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.440 to bed at night, you take a picture with your camera phone of your 290 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.200 camp, so you're compared for it in the morning. That's what you do 291 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:12.680 every night, so you wake up the morning. Okay, just something moved, 292 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:19.319 And undoubtedly every night something was moved, not just maybe a squirrel taking 293 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:26.599 a napkin. I'm talking heavy Ammo cans with eating you testils or hookwear in 294 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.839 its being moved a foot or two. So in that expedition there was just 295 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.480 a lot of movement around us. And then me getting at one head slab. 296 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:37.880 I think the one head slat would have been enough. You were definitely 297 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:41.640 much braver than I am. But of course, if you're into this subject 298 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:44.960 and you're really looking for the answers, it's like you said, you don't 299 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.559 really get those sitting on the couch. You have to put yourself in those 300 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:51.960 situations. A very famous person, the same as John Wayne. He once 301 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:56.640 said that courage was being afraid and still saddling up. I'll tell you now, 302 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.440 I'm scared when I go out there. I'm not gonna lie. I'm 303 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:03.680 not any superhero, but the marine in me and the scientist in me, 304 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:08.799 just for Jesus fit so I still start a lot. The next chouncter, 305 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:14.519 I can share some of the information on this one. The next encounter was 306 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:19.759 in eastern Tennessee in a recreation area. Camping was about thirty other people. 307 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:26.319 We were in the group camp area. My camp was specifically in the overflow. 308 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.400 I found the spot and nestled and some bushes and trees. It was 309 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:37.400 a pretty good expedition. To my west was a one and a half lane 310 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.960 gravel road that ran into the old floor parking group camp sites. And on 311 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:48.920 the other side of that gravel road was a gully that was part of a 312 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:53.359 utility line cut out. We're all familiar with those who look at a hill 313 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:56.759 and you see this. It's like a barber took a razor and how to 314 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:00.880 strip through the hill. You got these big power lines running through it. 315 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:07.079 I can't there put on purpose. Wanted to see what would happen. We 316 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:12.319 had a great expedition, really good. Our leader had rented a huge circus 317 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:17.279 tent like we stayed a used car dealership or something like that, so that 318 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:22.200 forty fifty people just sit underneath it eat their launch or dinner or whatever. 319 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:29.039 This was at the end of the fall season for this Preficator recreation area November 320 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:32.440 one. It was going to be closed to all visitors, all hunters, 321 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:37.720 even the rangers in the camp posts were leaving that November first. I and 322 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:42.799 another person volunteered at the end of this expedition to stay back, stay with 323 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:48.880 that big circus tent type device that had been rented, just to make sure 324 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.759 it was taken sound because the rental company was going to have to pick it 325 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:56.400 up Monday morning and someone was going to have to be there to unlock the 326 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.759 dates. I volunteered. I'm pretty sure, you see my mo I'm fill 327 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:04.319 leading up the ball this year. So me and this other person we're staying 328 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:08.839 behind. We go heit lunch and we come back and it's about four o'clock 329 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.559 after you and he calls me on the radio. He's over in the food 330 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.640 camp site. I'm in the overflow. He's on the other side of that 331 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:21.480 big mask of pens that's about one hundred and thirty yards away from me, 332 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:25.559 and he says, I'm not feeling this. I'm going to go home. 333 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:29.920 So I held my breath for a couple of minutes. I thought about it. 334 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.599 I said, Okay, see you later. He packs up and he 335 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:37.319 reads. Now it's about five o'clock. Stun's starting to go down, and 336 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.240 there's a weather front coming in. We're starting to get a little bit of 337 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.000 miss every now and then. I know from the expedition we had a lot 338 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:52.160 of awesome red oak firewood split right sitting over by a fire ring of about 339 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.640 one hundred feet away from my tent. I go over to that fire ring. 340 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.079 I pulled the picnic table close to it so that I could sit and 341 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.480 start stacking wood and putting into my little field wagon. By the corner my 342 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:08.359 eye at about a three thirty position caught me by surprise. A juvenile as 343 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:15.880 follows me, more splendor than with thin hair, not heavy, dark hair, 344 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:22.319 conical head. It runs from one big tree to another, just slightly 345 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.599 out of my field of view. Stay at my three thirty position, and 346 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.440 I'm picking my stuff to stick on. Okay, I'm bigger than this one. 347 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.319 Marie me right. So I continue picking up the wood, put it 348 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.680 in my wagon. But every time I reach for a piece of wood, 349 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.640 I slowly adjust my body so I can get that tree more into my fricktial 350 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.119 vision. That's got by two o'clock, and I know what I see. 351 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:51.559 This is the young male six feet probably two hundred and twenty five hundred and 352 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:55.200 fifty pounds. I'm still trying to turn my body so I can see more 353 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.799 and more. As I was doing that, it must have wet down the 354 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:02.160 other side of it. For me. I just see me long. So 355 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.559 I grab some more wood. I'm putting it in the wagon my heart, 356 00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.160 and I'm pulling it over to my fansite. Now I know I'm the only 357 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:15.920 human being for probably twenty miles. I'm the only human being in this recreation 358 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.920 area. The rangers, the park staff are all gone, stamp post is 359 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:25.119 gone, every motor hoole r D is gone. I'm the only human being 360 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:30.920 here. So my assumption is I'm going to have guests later time. That's 361 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.799 my guess. I take the wood, I stack at my fire ring. 362 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:38.279 I backed my collar so the back of the car is literally touching one end 363 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:42.359 of my tent. My tent was already set up where the back of it 364 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:48.000 was against heavy bushes. Nothing comes through there without hearing it or seeing it. 365 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.119 And on the other side of my tent, away from the car, 366 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.640 I pushed up the picnic table on edge so the one bench was on the 367 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:03.200 ground. I basically put a prim around myself, made some coffee, and 368 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.279 brought out my right the rain notebooks and started writing down all the stuff I 369 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.640 had, just sings. I wanted it annotated in my book. This is 370 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.160 what it happened, the times what I saw. The description It starts like 371 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:21.759 rain. Now outside my seven by sixteen by seven and a half foot tens, 372 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.000 I have a ten by ten top up, so I guess fit protective 373 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:29.680 from the rain. I have my can't kitchen there. I have coats and 374 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:34.839 Ammo pans filled with electronic bear light eating a Tessels, et cetera around me 375 00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:41.160 in a semicircle used to my car. And I'm really putting out this barrier 376 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:47.200 I would call a detection barrier, so if anything come near me, I 377 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:52.160 would hear it. I'm assuming now if there's young spotches, there's mamas and 378 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.400 diabetes out there. If I'm the only human being they're going to come to 379 00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:02.480 sit. That's my assumption at this point. Stay tuned for more sasquatch Otasy. 380 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:08.319 We'll be right back after these messages. Well, I have a cup 381 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.839 of coffee, a couple of cuffs in back, have a little bit of 382 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.680 dinner. Tring to eat much because I'm inflated. Because of this, I 383 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.680 didn't think, you know what, I'm gonna do something extra way of the 384 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:26.519 electrical devices I carry is what's called personal alarm. It's a hard plastic device 385 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.519 that puts out about a sixty five descipol sirring when you pull the pin. 386 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:33.960 There's no way to get the batteries out of it. Let's get a screwdriver 387 00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.079 to it. No way to turn it off unless you put the tin back 388 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.400 in. I rig it up with a four pound testlight. Go all the 389 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.559 way around my camp, the outside of the car, outside of my pop 390 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.960 up, behind my tent in the bushes. Now hook it all up. 391 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:52.160 I lived in a flat in case of pine coner stickballs, and I hook 392 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.400 it up to the fin. Okay, Now, anything approaching my camp site 393 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:02.839 has to make noise in my text and perimeter, and that alarm has to 394 00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.400 go lost. I'm feeling a little bit better now that the rest of the 395 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:10.640 group has gone. I now have my firearm out of my car. It's 396 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:15.319 in my writing notes. Comes about nine o'clock the rain has started get a 397 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:19.160 little bit heavier now. Every once in a while, if there was something 398 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.319 here to take you probably wouldn't have heard it because of the rain. Fitting 399 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:27.160 the tent. I'm sitting in a chair. I hear some really heavy footprints 400 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.400 and the gravel road on the other side of my car. This would be 401 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.880 twelve to fifteen feeldway, but they're not by petal and you can hear a 402 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.240 dragging. I know what that's down. I've heard it many times before. 403 00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.200 That's a black bear. One of the other little tricks that I do is 404 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.680 I grabbed the key bob for my car and I hit the alarm button before 405 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.880 it the lights flashed, the alarm goes off, and you could hear all 406 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:55.559 four piads running in the gravel running away. God successful, staring the bear 407 00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:00.119 away. Previous days during that expedition, we have had a BlackBerry camp twice. 408 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:05.119 That's something else really expect. The other was coyotes, So hearing us 409 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:08.640 get a little bit later now it's about old ten eleven o'clock. Now I 410 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:15.480 can hear a group of coyotes howling and making ruckus over by where that big 411 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:21.359 massive circus thing was. They're rootings for draft fans and sniffing the ground. 412 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.640 They're looking at the food. They're staying there, and I'm over here. 413 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:28.559 I feel good. A little bit later, now rain's coming and going in 414 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.359 waves, not too much wind. But out inside the lay down, I 415 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:36.160 have my rifle underneath my pot. I have a like a bug white I 416 00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.759 used for a night light with kill mosquitos whatever I lay down. Now it's 417 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:45.240 about eleven thirty, almost mid night, and all of a sudden, the 418 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.640 shriel of that personal alarm comes off. WHOA. I jump up, put 419 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.599 my glasses on or have my rifle. I m stipped the top of the 420 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:59.440 door and look out. I don't see anything there. I have like very 421 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:05.720 dim led Christmas light style spring of lights around the interior portion of the pop 422 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.000 up, so I have minimal light so I can at least see near my 423 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:12.359 tent. I see nothing out there, so I ends up to go all 424 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.799 the way go out there. I have the rifle in hand, and there's 425 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:20.359 the device just dangling. So I hold it up in the light and I 426 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.519 put the thing in. The alarm goes off. Okay, so my assumption 427 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:28.559 is to stick or a fine cone or a bird or something landed on the 428 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.079 spring and pulled it out. I put a little bit more slack in the 429 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:35.519 line and fare Okay, that's good. To go back in my tent. 430 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.599 A couple of swings of water. I think my glass was off. About 431 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:43.240 a half hour later, started to get a little bit sleepy. Right here, 432 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.359 the alarm go off again. I'm like, I got to do this, 433 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.640 betters. What's goes through my mind? I'm blaming all this summer. 434 00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:52.400 So pick up my rifle. I got to stop out there and play this 435 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:57.079 thing in again. Then I just rose and the hard back of my neck 436 00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.279 went up. The alarm turned itself off. Only way to turn that off 437 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:07.119 I put. That made me cock the handle gable around and I left the 438 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.360 hammer, talked back and then ease it forward. A bird can't do that 439 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:15.960 and art it bear or anything like that. Something with pretty hand stile posing 440 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.719 thumbs has to be able to do that. I yell out, I'm armed. 441 00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.599 You don't need to eff around in my camp. Just go about your 442 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.760 business. I'm yelling this side. I yell it out twice. Didn't hear 443 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:30.760 anything moves at the tent door. I'm looking around this time with a high 444 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.639 powered flashlight. I see nothing there. In fact, the entire foot electronic 445 00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.760 personal alarm gone, just two ends of the fishing spring dangling in the wind, 446 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.039 the hair still raised up my back, the hair in my arms standing 447 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:50.480 straight up. I'm looking like, either this is a human being that intends 448 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.840 doing harm to me, or this is a squad that wats me put that 449 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:59.360 thing in there. And if that's the case, he must be twenty thirty 450 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.360 feet away in the other side of the gravel road that goes down into that 451 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:07.599 utility cut out in the bushes. That's my assumpc. So I take my 452 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:12.840 high powered light and let's know, it's an old light flashlight, and I'm 453 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.519 shining in those bushes and I'm getting really tense. I've got my my rifle 454 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:22.400 aimed at discovery. I'm doing a three sixty. I don't see anything there. 455 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.760 The rain is dismissing anything on the grounds. That's nothing like that's possible 456 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.559 to see. Okay, calm down, I'm lower the hammer down on the 457 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:37.400 rifle. Set on my chair, get down the other alarm. I'll hook 458 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.039 it up this time. I bunge it to a tree. I say, 459 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:43.800 okay, here we go. Let's see this game we're gonna play. I 460 00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.400 go back in my tent. I keep my rifle on the cop with me 461 00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:51.119 young days in the win course, leaping with your rifle. And here's what's 462 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.480 odd. And later this became pretty important, but not at the time. 463 00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:59.000 It didn't seem that way. As soon as I laid down and my head 464 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.960 hit the pillow, within five or six minutes, I passed out. Woke 465 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.880 up about twenty minutes of course sun rise. I could hear coyotes off in 466 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.400 the distance, hollowing and yipping at one another and yelling. The rain had 467 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.000 stopped, and I didn't hear. Moved me out by the front of the 468 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.960 door of my three four feet away. I could actually hear it. Here's 469 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.800 my rifles right next to me. I never took my shoes off. I 470 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:27.840 still got my coat on. I yell out again, I'm armed soft with 471 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.960 me. I unslipped the tent door just about six inches, and the picnic 472 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:37.239 table that I had tilted up on its head where the bench pet was on 473 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:43.280 the ground was now back on all four. There was a coyote standing on 474 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.440 top of the picnic table, just staring at five nast six feet away, 475 00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:52.079 like he was the friendliest determined shepherd in the world. He just staring at 476 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.960 yelled at him so away, and he took off. The weather front had 477 00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.360 gone through, and now we're in the mountains, so there's this sense bog. 478 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.519 You can't see more than twenty five thirty feet. I could not see 479 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.719 the other side of the gravel road to my left. So I noticed that 480 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:13.119 my m cans that were stacked free high, my toasts were stacked free high. 481 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:19.280 There just lays out cats relief. Picnic table is on with back and 482 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.960 all fours. My string of light had gone dead. I'm plugged from the 483 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:30.159 battery. The first electronic alarm will still catch the tree. The fishing string 484 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:35.480 haveing been snapped. Okay, so i can't see too far, and I'm 485 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:39.079 doing a three sixty with my rifle. It's getting lighter and lighter. I'm 486 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.880 stick in my head trying to get the flag out of my head as well. 487 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:47.360 I don't hear anything moving near me, so unfold the chair. I 488 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:52.320 light up the fire. My four face go start eating water for coffee and 489 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.920 for oatmeal. Go in the tent, diet my book out, start writing 490 00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.599 all this down. I lay the rifle next. I don't go where without 491 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.440 that rifle. But I'm just sitting there. I'm coming down thinking my coffee, 492 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.440 had a couple of packs of oatmeal, and I hear the loudest three 493 00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:15.320 branch break I've ever heard, sound like a four to ten shotgun. It's 494 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.239 over there by that circus tent. My team was my dear friend who was 495 00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.719 the expedition leader. She read to this thing. My fear is that she's 496 00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:28.679 gonna get charged with some kind of damage to it. And I want to 497 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:30.559 go there, inspect it right away, take pictures if I have to. 498 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.920 But you want to get charged with damage, and that part of the reason 499 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.920 why I was there, And so I go. I grab my rifle. 500 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:42.639 I go walking through the fog over there. It's about one hundred and twenty 501 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:49.000 five yards and I get about fifty feet from the circus tent and I see 502 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.760 where the branch was on this tree. It was about eight nine feet up 503 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:58.360 in the air, sixty inches in diameter, and it was snapped cleanly off 504 00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.480 the tree. It wasn't. So I went through nothing. It was a 505 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:05.960 clean break. And at that point again the hair went back up on my 506 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.800 neck, my arms, and I just thought I was being set up. 507 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:13.440 I felt like it was the ambush, felt like I was twenty one years 508 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.960 old and we're walking into an ambush. I turned around. There's nothing wrong 509 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.719 with the tent. It's safe, and I go back to my tent. 510 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:27.159 I go, okay, this is enough. I'm going to get my stuff 511 00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.719 packed. I'm gonna drive my carpet the gate, wait for the rental company 512 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.760 to come, and then I'm out here. That was my plan. I 513 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.559 go back to my tent. I looked at my notebook, which was right 514 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:42.679 a green writ ing notebook. Here's my coffee, and I'm looking for my 515 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:46.119 tennis yellow plastic ten that a friend had given me. That we touched the 516 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:50.199 tips of the paper. It lights up so that you can take notes in 517 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.960 the dog. So I found my nat book, bought my pens dog. 518 00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:59.719 I'm chicking my pocket underneath the table. I'm looking everywhere. A good friend 519 00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:01.719 of mine gave me that, so I say, okay, so I get 520 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.280 another one and I'm running down the experience with broken tree branch and this is 521 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:08.880 what happened. Meanwhile, the fog is lifting the rain stole and there's even 522 00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:13.639 a little bit of fun coming out. And you know what, finish a 523 00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.039 coffee. Let's get this packed up. So it takes me about an hour 524 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:22.199 or so pack up everything, did it in the car. Now I'm relived, 525 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:27.639 relaxed. I'm doing this all the meat while with my rifles flung over 526 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.840 my shoulder in my neck a costly. You know what, there's still a 527 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:35.280 lot of beautiful red oak over there. I'm going to go take some of 528 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.800 that home. I got room to put a good dozen or so pieces in 529 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:42.480 there. So I go walking over with my wagon. It's last thing that 530 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.559 does. Nickas plunge me to the top of the car and I walk over 531 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.039 there. I'm about to sit down on the picted table, and there's my 532 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.960 yellow pad. I said, nope, I'm out of here. I've been 533 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:58.960 played. I've been manipulated the entire time. They're just having fun with me. 534 00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.039 I know, for stepped me up to walk into an ambush to hurt 535 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:06.519 me. I don't know. I left the wood, I grabbed the wagon. 536 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.400 I walked very briskly to my car. I didn't even bunge it down. 537 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:13.440 I put it upside down on the top in between the rails of the 538 00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.320 roof, rack picked the wifle across my shoulder, said it in the front 539 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:20.440 seat with me, got my car and left. I went up to the 540 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.760 gate, unlocked the gate, left the key in the lock, just left 541 00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:28.199 it open, and I just left. I took pictures of the circus tent, 542 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.000 make sure there was no damage. I left. I went about a 543 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:35.199 whole about a mile down the road where you have cell phone reception, and 544 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.239 I called in to the leader especially say the test mid the rental company starts 545 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:44.559 here, but I gotta go. I gotta go. I feel that I'm 546 00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.159 a danged and I left. That was the end of that. I think 547 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:52.480 there's a lot of people that probably don't listen to that gut instinct when something 548 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.079 like that, it's telling them to get the hell out of dodge. I 549 00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:58.840 think when it comes down to these things, I think they're just like human 550 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.679 beings. I think they have personalities. I think there are good ones and 551 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:05.719 bad ones, and I think there are some people that probably don't listen to 552 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.880 that gut instinct and they go missing. These are not the friendly friends in 553 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:15.440 the forest. They're obviously higher in the order, and I buy a lot 554 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.320 of foldure and they're higher than the range tangs from champion zees. They're not 555 00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:22.840 quite human. They're in that ninety nine point nine nine nine percentile, but 556 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:28.000 they're not human. These are animals that live in the forest and survive on 557 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:32.159 what they find. They're probably hunter gatherers. If left alone, you have 558 00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:37.280 given an opportunity, and they're hungry enough in the right situation. Who knows 559 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.719 what that happened. I think the fact that I kept that rifle with me 560 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:46.280 close to me at all times was any distinguishing feature about them, and the 561 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:51.400 fact that I was bigger than some that I saw. I think that all 562 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.880 was a credit to me leaving there now after this, a week later, 563 00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:00.960 I write a very detailed report I submitted to the resolution leader, and she 564 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.800 shares with everyone that was there. Because that report was shared with everyone that 565 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:10.159 was in the extradition says by the way, law enforcement was called Saturday night, 566 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:15.519 that's the night before my experience and law enforcement the Shares's Department actually came 567 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:22.280 out because they had multitude of reports by people in motor homes and sleeping in 568 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.519 trucks or cars. Whatever on an extremely tall, large dark figure trying to 569 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:30.519 open car doors and touching and banging on the side of our beat. She 570 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:36.760 had not shared that with anyone until after I issued my report. Now, 571 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.880 previously I said there was some very significant that had happened when I laid down 572 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:46.159 and I instantly fell asleep, almost passed out. I participate in a PTSD 573 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:52.400 group from a military experience and talking to the psychiatrist psychologist, I've had a 574 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.559 couple of experiences now after the fact where I can just be sitting on the 575 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:01.559 edge of my bed or sitting at home, and I could be in that 576 00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:07.159 twilight zone of almost falling asleep, and this feels like something's grabbing my arm 577 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:14.480 or my high actually feels something grabbing. That psychologist's opinion is that probably happened 578 00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:19.559 after I passed out. My mind blocked it out as a form of dissociation 579 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:24.880 when I relaxed and getting that twidlight zone almost being asleep. I actually relive 580 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:31.400 it as a form of freeps going out would be Northern Georgia. We were 581 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:37.000 on private property, so I as an invite I can't disclose the location. 582 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:43.679 On the hilltop, I was with five other people about midnight, got a 583 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:50.199 strong thermal hit looking downs flow at about seventy five eighties feet squatch looking up 584 00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.519 over a log, looking uphill at us, or looking over a log, 585 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.840 actually the outline of shoulders to handle, et cetera. And the person that's 586 00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:01.400 sitting to my right, who's directly we meet and a spot, all of 587 00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:07.360 a sudden falls to his knees out of the chair, is grabbing one side 588 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:13.320 of his head trying not to vomit, and he's yelling, oh crap. 589 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.760 I think I bes that his iused to come dilated. One of the people 590 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:22.239 with us is a nurse. He's immediately on top of it. Just by 591 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:27.559 coincidence the trip before this, I now carry different e what fronic here with 592 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:31.280 me. I carry an EMR meter. I carry an EMF meter. I 593 00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:38.960 measure different electromagnetic radiation, electromachnimic forces when we're out on expedition, just record 594 00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:44.880 when I get, when anything happens, what predicated. That was the first 595 00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:50.119 in my life I've ever seen forbs. I'm a meteorologist and a geologist. 596 00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.800 I'm a scientist, and I can figure or I can't explain those. But 597 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:57.400 the guy to my right, he's going to one knee and the spot stands 598 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.079 up and takes off. I'm trying to follow him through the throes, through 599 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:05.079 the commotion of the nurse helping the guy next to me, and I lose 600 00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.880 him in the woods. He's just grabbing his head, loud buzzing, and 601 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:14.679 he's right to vomit. The nurse starts streaming him for Shaw, gets some 602 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:19.239 lay down, puts a blanket over him, a small little hyping pact under 603 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.440 his head, and all respect to my friend. However, in a scientific 604 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:30.199 manner, I recorded and micro tesla's the course of whatever touched him. I 605 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:38.039 recorded teach the seventy two microtesla and electromagnetic energy that occurred. I also recorded, 606 00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:44.880 in what analyzedory theerry a sound waveling that lasted are possibly eight seconds. 607 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:50.360 That was incredible data. Nothing affected me. I only involved it is I 608 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:53.440 had to spot it with clear large enough that even at that distance you could 609 00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:59.400 hear and feel the thud of a running and feeling. I think that thud 610 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:04.960 which tells me that the y'all are just tells me we're a pretty solid bedrock 611 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:07.199 and is transmitted to the earth. That was the next thing helter I had. 612 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:15.840 I've always been fascinated with the infrasound theory that these things have the ability 613 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:22.440 to somehow emit things that are causing physical reactions in people. Honestly, I've 614 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:29.639 always just chalked it up to people misidentifying, misunderstanding their physiological responses to stress 615 00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:32.880 adrenaline in those kind of situations. But you've had that a couple of times 616 00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:40.079 yourself, and you've witnessed it, and you actually documented changes in the data. 617 00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.039 What do you think about that? Do you think it's actually an infra 618 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:49.199 CLL that's causing that? Let me re expamine what the evidence does that there 619 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:53.039 was no aircraft flying nearest, no helicopters, no radio towers, still steal 620 00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:58.480 palace. I investigated all that, so there's no one operating or shortwave radio 621 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:04.079 transmitting with a shortwave braid the next list. There were no microwaves being operated. 622 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:09.559 The data collected is genuine. My quick down the experience that the physical 623 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:16.199 response of this person next to me was in line was spotting that entity. 624 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:22.400 Did the entity create it? If my hypothesis is that it did. However, 625 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:28.559 once he failed the one knee, you would think that it would then 626 00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.519 continue to me or how is it that this only just one person could be 627 00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:38.400 affected. I can't explain that the science state of collected says that something in 628 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:44.440 the five to seven point two hurt range was experienced. They had that pika 629 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:51.480 tesla, a matter of electromagnetic radiation or force was displayed. That's what happened. 630 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:57.159 Now on future expeditions, I can pretty much with about ninety percent degree 631 00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.639 of actors the Hopkins pick up because whenever I go out, I keep all 632 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:06.800 these electronic efitment around me, and I'm monitoring all these different pieces, including 633 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:12.760 fuller, and when we start hearing footsteps or heavy footballs at a distance, 634 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.840 ninety percent of the time there is a reaction in the ef meter. In 635 00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:22.599 the EMR, there is a reaction. Now, on two other times I've 636 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:28.480 recorded sound in that five to eight cursed range, but no one was injured. 637 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:31.960 No one actually had a physical chance to it. But I did record 638 00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:37.119 depth step. No, I can't explain that it's not running hypothesis, so 639 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:43.920 it's still a work in progress. I do record all the EMR data, 640 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.320 I record the sound data. I keep an accurate log when I go and 641 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:52.400 expeditions. Now I encourage others to bring at least the EMF meter that gives 642 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:59.360 you a permanent phrase of highs and lows and correlate that when you hear footballs, 643 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.960 if you see stuffing, what was it at the time of observation. 644 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:06.559 I try to get others to do that. I haven't meant to be successful 645 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:10.679 yet, so right now it's only me doing. The last episode I had 646 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:16.440 of encounter was again in Tennessee private property. I can't share where it was, 647 00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:22.559 sitting in a circle, pretty windy, but we're still getting footballs different 648 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:27.199 locations around us. However, I tind something new, and that was I 649 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:32.360 had stepped through a lecture from an offer from Washington who is a retired veterinarian, 650 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:38.480 and he talked to us about pheromones and hormones in the environment. Watch 651 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:43.960 was being primates probably react to that, and that other ex fairness had been 652 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:49.679 done with primates in the wild with pheromones. I eat hormones because of some 653 00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:53.960 of the medical treatment I'm receiving. I have female estrogen passes with me. 654 00:50:54.599 --> 00:51:00.400 So I thought I would buy a little farm. We got that night. 655 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:04.800 It's a little windy. We're still hearing footfalls around us at fifty to one 656 00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.440 hundred feet away, so I get up and I take two of these patches 657 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:12.480 and I rub them all over some leaves over by the cars. Didn't we 658 00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.960 see would happen while we were there? The whole group of five were there, 659 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.760 not a whole lot half. So around one in the morning we decided 660 00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.320 to pack it up, but two people decided to stay back because you don't 661 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:29.400 go out by yourself. Then it moved too. I recommend three. Side 662 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.639 note, the reason why you should be in groups of three is that someone 663 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:35.760 gets hurt, someone to attend the injured, and someone to go to get 664 00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.400 help. That's why I always recurage groups three. But anyhow, we all 665 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:44.280 leave and around four in the morning the two came back. They were all 666 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:50.639 excited. They had two silhouettes passed clean their vehicles in the area where I 667 00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:55.679 had neared the hormones on the leaves, and that bryant where I had took 668 00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:00.480 the hormones and broke off the tree. I thought that was to get test 669 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.280 results of myself. I haven't had a chance to duplicate that yet, so 670 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.840 after thinking about it and talking with that guest speaker, I've reached out and 671 00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:12.920 talked to him. He recommended that it may not be the best thing to 672 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.320 do in the world to recreate that. When you put out female pheromones, 673 00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:22.199 it could get these young males so excited that it could be perpetually humpful. 674 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:28.280 They experienced that with baboons, guerrillas, chimpanzees. They'll actually go vitalent and 675 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:32.000 attack one another. Females will literally rip each ovel apart all over because they 676 00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:37.159 smell a fem them. So I may not recreate that same experiment. Again, 677 00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:43.880 absolutely amazing stuff. I love the scientific approach. I love how you're 678 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.000 approaching the subject. In general. That scientific approach is what I think we 679 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.960 really need to push the ball down the field. It's not just going out 680 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:53.360 and beaten on trees and yelling and screaming in the woods. I think that's 681 00:52:53.400 --> 00:53:00.000 what it really takes. I totally agree. I do not encourage doing articles 682 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.519 the route free knocking. I do not encourage any of that. If you're 683 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.559 out in the forest, they know you're there. You don't need to they 684 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:12.159 know you're there. I don't leave gifts. I don't believe in gifting. 685 00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:16.199 That's like gifting a coyote or a fox. Noah just encourages them to come 686 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:21.440 closer and if you don't give them something, what happens. Maybe they'll get 687 00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:24.880 violent if you don't give them anything. So I don't encourage that. However, 688 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:34.000 quite similar to the doctor Jan Goodall and others, I encourage documenting our 689 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:42.079 experiences and I encourage recording these observations. Though that fuinly credited people who have 690 00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:47.280 much better understanding than I do on animal behavior. Primate behavior can make a 691 00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:54.360 better destination of what's going on. These are living, breathing entities, bipeedle 692 00:53:55.199 --> 00:54:00.360 primates somehow got lost on the tree, and they've been here for a great 693 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:07.000 period of time. As a geologist looking back at geological history, they've been 694 00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:12.280 here, I feel a lot longer than the first indigenous people were here. 695 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.199 There were probably here one to two million years before they even showed up. 696 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:21.760 They've adapted. There are a small populations group. I got to remember that 697 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:25.800 there was a point in time where the Isthmus of Panama was totally underwater. 698 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:31.280 Eighty two hundred feet Warna was underwater, so it would have made North America 699 00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:36.440 isolated islands. And it was that way for a long period of time. 700 00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:43.000 So we had glacial melt and two levels rows, and then you had another 701 00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:49.000 ice age, which has been many of them, and then additional tomost staty 702 00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:53.599 hobo statety has come across and come into North America. In my studies, 703 00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:59.920 I've come across a few observations. The one is that hunting technique that I've 704 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.960 served and others observed that one night. Where did they learn that from? 705 00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:09.719 That's the same hunting technique that early early man used the masadons the grounds loss 706 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:16.079 long longhorn buffalo, et cetera, where they would chase them done an extremely 707 00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:22.280 high slope or off the cliff as a manner of killing them. This is 708 00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:27.559 the same thing driving your prey into the leading arms of helping to kill them. 709 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.280 It makes you wonder. You don't see a whole lot of reports of 710 00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:36.000 that in the Asian stuffs in India and trying to Africa, you don't get 711 00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:40.239 a whole lot of notice of that. But you do get that with early 712 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:45.760 American indigenous peoples here in North America. So it begs the question who learned 713 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:52.760 it from who? Second observation, nowhere else do we see teachings the plains 714 00:55:52.760 --> 00:56:00.360 Indian space. A lot of other North American indigenous people's made teaches make it 715 00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.559 in China and make it in the steps of Mongolia. They didn't make it 716 00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.960 in the jungles of Vietnam or anywhere else. They only made them. Here 717 00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:12.880 we see six fructures. Some of them resemble a freend that a form of 718 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:17.000 pep. So I asked question number two, who learned what from whom? 719 00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:23.639 And then the third question and steps walks, having a setnel, putting out 720 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:29.519 one lone person on a high observation point, and watching a valley, watching 721 00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:35.280 an area to give the alert. North American Indians did this most signals yelling, 722 00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:38.880 screaming, hitting a tree, hitting a drum, blocking loss. You 723 00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:45.639 have to ask questions who learned this from whom? That's a couple observations for 724 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.960 my studies, and I guess the ultimate question is why should we be concerned 725 00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:54.000 about this primate? Why can't we just walk away from this? Here's a 726 00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:00.320 couple of good things to consider. One, here's a primate that walks among 727 00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:05.000 us that we don't find falling on the side of the highway dead with answer, 728 00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:09.400 we don't find these primates wandering along of a walmut parking lot with alls, 729 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:15.119 fire or dementia. We don't find dead and bloated taskquatches dead from diabetes? 730 00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:21.039 Why is that? So we can say that there are plan members drag 731 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.159 them away, But what if they're not affected by those diseeses? Just a 732 00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:28.960 question that things worthwhile answer. Trying to figured out the answer to you, 733 00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:34.400 Is there something in their diet or genome, something in their DNA that precludes 734 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:40.880 them answer all dementia diabetes? Is there something there? Knowing what they can 735 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.440 meet it in the wild. How come we don't see them stick and dead 736 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:50.400 with oliver ricinus, all these two things we don't see that we don't find 737 00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:54.079 it. That's why I asked these questions. That's why I continue this research 738 00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:59.480 because I think there's something valuable learn here. I definitely love your approach to 739 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.719 the research. Thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your 740 00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:07.400 experiences. I've had a blast talking to you. You're very welcome. Don't 741 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:12.280 be afraid that they'll reach out to me again. I'm on expeditions a half 742 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:16.679 dozen or more times a year, still picking notes, taking measurements. Maybe 743 00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:23.440 one day I could write a cohiece of paper, perhaps and submitted for peer 744 00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:29.039 review, like only good science that should do. You Just don't jump up 745 00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:34.159 and write a book, You submitted paper for peer review. That's what I 746 00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:37.039 heard. Any kind of feel fee to reach out to me, They say, 747 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:46.880 you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. I don't want 748 00:58:46.920 --> 00:59:15.280 to be step steps step still step child, this child, that child. 749 00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:22.360 Everything came in right back, right back, Joy for me, joy staying 750 00:59:22.679 --> 01:00:15.159 right, You come it right away, still still step st assass shout, 751 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:39.280 knocking down. Don't talk about thessssstsssssss used thess