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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome to the six hundred and twenty third

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episode of the Geek First Podcast.
I'm the clown Prince of Legs Tress Now,

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and I'm joined by I am mister
Downstairs Dylan Musk. I am the

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psychic Taylor Field. Yes, slaves
and gentlemen, we are here. You

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wouldn't guess by those nicknames. I
imagine see move on here for Long Legs.

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A movie that funny enough I have
to go back, but I feel

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like it was only on our radar
when we did our twenty twenty four preview,

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and I think it was just because
like, oh, Nicholas Cages playing

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a serial killer, and we like
Nicholas Cage. We thought all that could

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be fun, but it transformed into
something much more because I think these trailers.

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We didn't even have this on the
calendar till about two weeks ago,

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but I think we were all okay, so seeing these trailers, we're getting

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really excited. So that's what we're
here to do. We are going to

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review Long Legs. So as usual, maybe this is a movie that you

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can't see right away or you're unsure
about. We'll go fifteen minutes about you

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know, uh, don spoils of
course, won't give anything away. We'll

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take an ad break and then we'll
get into it. You've seen the movie

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Stick Around, and there's ways you
can listen to this episode ad free.

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But we'll talk about that a little
bit later. Just to shout out,

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third, check that out eight hour stream

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to celebrate the nine year four events. We've got trivia Battle, we got

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some rest matches, we got some
Golden Geeks for twenty twelve. We've got

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Geek Versus right down, Geek Versus
coming back again. Fictional characters. I'm

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very excited. We get like John
Cena versus Barry Keegan's joker, specifically Hansy

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putting Barry Keyan's joker. I'm like, well, that's great. You know,

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we haven't seen it in Yeah,
we've just seen him sit in a

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We have the You never saw the
deleted scene right from The Batman with him

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probably YouTube did, okay, if
not before, I watched it as a

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refresher. But you see his physicality
in that scene. He moves around all

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he waunts his body around here.
Yeah, so we'll talk about that.

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So there's been some very randomly like
again John scene in there, I'm like,

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I'm all down for that. So
check out August third. It's gonna

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be tons of fun. And if
you want that stream to go more,

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you joined Patroon. But we'll talk
about it a little bit more later,

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and there's gonna be lots of details, especially in the next three weeks.

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So, mister Muss, what did
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Yeah, so pretty hyped off this
one from the trailers, but still

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because of the trailers and how I
feel like they were pretty obscure, so

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going and I didn't really know what
to expect, and watching the trailers,

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like I could never hear that voice
as Nick Cage, so I kind of

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kept forgetting that he was in this. This is definitely gonna be a review

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that I need the discussion for to
see where you're gonna end up on it.

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I need to ruminate on it.
I need to talk to some talk

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about some things with you guys.
But honestly, my off the cuff take

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is that I thought this was a
pretty weak film, and I'm kind of

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surprised to see what seems like like
a huge praise for it. People think

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it's really scary to me, honestly, there's only one scare, and it

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was like a jump scare, which
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jump scare. You know it gets
the body flowing, So I like them

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from that perspective, but I didn't
feel like otherwise it was a very scary.

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This might be controversial. I think
Nick Cage was very miscast for this

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role. To be honest, I
think it actually took me out of it

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a lot. I didn't really like
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I thought that was pretty basic,
and then some of the reveals near the

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end, like they're all right.
But I feel like movies like this are

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best when they leave you with some
questions that are things that you kind of

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have to decide for yourself. But
I feel like this very much tells you

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exactly what's going on, and it's
like it's all right, but it's nothing

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that inventive or compelling. So I
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But maybe I'm missing some pieces of
the puzzle and you guys can help fill

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those in for me. But yeah, it's hard for me to throw a

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recommendation last one because it from the
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I'm kind of on the outs with
that take of not really liking it that

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much. I mean, I think
like aesthetically and as a horror movie goes

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like it's got good visuals and whatnot, But I didn't really have that suspense

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I suppose, so yeah, pretty
pretty weak one for me, unfortunately,

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and kind of came out of nowhere. I was expecting some some longer legs

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on it, to be honest,
but short, short, little legs for

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me, a little toddler legs.
They got to call the sequel that longer

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legs, you know, that's what
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Yeah, I'll usually I don't I'll
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because I'm not gonna say I'm the
complete opposite of Dylan, but I have

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some like takes that are the reverse
of when you said the end and they

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explained too much. I was like, I was happy it did because I

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was like, I need a lot
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did get that, and I was
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I I I do like some things
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lot in this where I'm like,
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holding right now, just to see
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very positive side, I fucking love
Nick Cage in this movie. Man,

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like I. He is so good. I don't want to talk too much

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about until we get to spoilers because
they they hit him in marketing and I

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think I'll just say it's a smart
choice and just I don't even want to

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say that. I just very there's
particular scenes. I really like a lot

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of the choices, what they do
with his look and what they do with

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the character wise, So yeah,
for me, that's that's all. Aces

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that's something He's probably my favorite thing
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might be like his best performance like
thirty Years for me, like legitimately,

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Oh yeah, ah, it's tough
because he was really good in dream Scenario

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also, that was really good.
But yeah, there's there's something off because

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I think it's it's when you can
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Nick Cage. Not that I totally
forgot, but I could lose myself on

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the role. It's like, okay, and I didn't think I could do

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that with Nick Cage anymore. I
thought he was past that point where I'm

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always gonna see him, and I
think they did a great job there.

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Yeah, this movie, it's it's
on the same thing as Dylan, but

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I think I'm more extensive as far
as I think I need another watch as

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well for me, because I definitely
thought one thing going in, and I

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even rewatched some of the trailers and
I was like, I guess, now

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that I have the context of certain
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on a little bit more. But
I think the trailers in market and I

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did a very good job because I
think not that it's not saying it's a

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bad movie or anything like that,
but I just feel like they did a

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good job of withholding something's like na
Cage, like certain elements of the movie

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and even stuff to like the pacing
and the paces. This is at times

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a very slow movie. It takes
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movie either. It's just over our
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like that, like it's not a
super long movie. But this was not

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was what I was expecting, and
I definitely need another watch. I don't

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know if it's like one of the
most scary movies or anything like that.

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I need to sit down and make
a list like Clay ass Matty in our

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discord, which you know, go
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But yeah, I think there's definitely
some really good unsettling moments. I think

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there's some good tension building moments.
But yeah, I think I'm just still

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kind of trying to cope with what
the movie actually was. But visually,

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I really like it. I think
there's some really good shots, some really

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good scares, as far as it's
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I like the visuals with just certain
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and so I like all the technical
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Nikage. I like oh god,
I never know how to pronounce her first

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name. But I like Monroe a
lot. She's great. She's a Again

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that also is not what I was
expecting either from the trailers. Her performance

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is quite different. I was not
thinking we're gonna go the route we did

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with her, and she's just like
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But again, this is a really
good performance. So yeah, I

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think that I'm I'm ready to talk
about it, but I definitely think my

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score at the end is definitely a
asterisk TBD, and my more score will

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be solid when we get to next
February. For if we talk about this

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in Golden Geeks, because I definitely
I think it is a movie that requires

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some aspect of a rewatch. So
yeah, I'm not sure how I feel

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about this. Overall, I would
recommend it. I think if you're a

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horror fan, you'll like this.
I think there is some good scares in

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here. I think there is.
It just feels it's more unsettling than it

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is. It feels like you're always
on pins and needles and you kind of

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have like a stomach turning sort of
thing. There's a couple jump scares,

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but I don't think they go overboard, which is nice. I was worried

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at the beginning. I thought,
oh man, this is what's gonna be,

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But no I did. Overall,
it sounds weird because I did enjoy

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this. I definitely passed it.
I'd say the grade is like a higher

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grade, but I need some time
to process what I saw here. But

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I will respect it for being an
interesting movie and taking some some different leaps,

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i'd say, And it's definitely not
a pay by Numbers horror movie,

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I'd say, so that would be
my thoughts. Tare Field, Yeah,

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I was not able to really decipher
what this movie is gonna be from the

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trailers. So it's and I think
that's great. I like when a movie

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does that, and so when you
get into what the story is and how

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things unravel. But the trailer was
being very kind of cut up and transitioning

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all over the place. I like, how, okay, we actually have

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a a cohesive kind of narrative here, and you kind of click in and

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I'm glad that. While watching it, I feel like, Okay, things

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kind of fit into place, and
I'm trying to look into what's going on

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in the background of this film,
because there's certain things that kind of appear

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or you notice the odd thing,
and I like that. And I don't

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think this is scary beyond all comprehension. I think this movie the deck.

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Yeah, it's not going to go
that far. But there's definitely some moments

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where you're like, oh shit,
like oh like it'll it'll get shit real

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quick, and interesting transitions to that
they have. But overall, I actually

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really enjoyed the movie. I liked
the the the basic narrative and the investigation

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stuff, and there are some slow
moments and that can definitely pull you out

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of it a little bit, but
I think it was It was a really

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really intense film, and every time
Nick Cage, his character is there,

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it's like you just you feel uneasy. And and you said, you said

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this charts we're talking in the car
that people will kind of like laugh,

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but you say, oh, it's
like a nervous laugh, and I so

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I agree with that wholehearted. Yeah, there's he's a weirdo, and I

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feel like there's that there's some of
that where it's just like, oh my

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goodness, like what like if this
character will approach you, you just kind

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of chuckle. But then it's a
kind of take some bad turns. So

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yeah, anything else non spoiler wise, because I feel like I said this

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already in the discord Maat, I
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that's hard to talk about non spoilers. So I don't even want to compare

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it to certain movies because I think
the second you say, oh, it's

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like this movie, it kind of
gives some aspects of it away. So

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yeah, other than like everyone's like
it's signs of the Lambs, which it

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is, but I even think that
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There's definitely aspects of female Detective serial
Killer, Smaller Town nineties. Yes,

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it hits those beats, but I
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fan, I would not completely.
I feel like people have compared like a

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one to one, like it's this
generation science of the Lambs. I don't

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think it is, because sense I
don't know about that. No, but

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that's what a lot of people say, right, because even the magisthon and

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discourse like oh like sounds lambs,
Like yeah, that's what everyone's saying.

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It's like, there's aspects to get
it, but all right, we're gonna

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take our ad breaks. So we've
not seen this movie tearor I guess would

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you recommend it? I would recommend
it for sure. I don't know if

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you have to rush to the theaters
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like the sound I think is nice
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just like in general, like there's
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there's like a knock at the door
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comes out of nowhere and it's like, okay, so I like the sound

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of it. But okay, so
we got some recommendation, a non recommendation,

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a recommendation at home, So as
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gonna be lots of discussion going on. So we're gonna take our first ad

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Darkness, Jack Grant, Mud Sam
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oh boy, where where do we
want to start with this one?

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Oh? I'll throw a softball at
you, Travis, because you brought this

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up in the in your non spoilers. What is it that you feel like

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you need to rewatch to figure out
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don't feel like you don't understand?
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I felt at the end of this
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It all made perfect sense given what
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I got a question for you for
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you can help me with. I
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goes big mystery, something's revealed,
and then there is an exposition up right,

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there's a whole narration by one of
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what's happened for like the past twenty
thirty years whatever. Right, So that's

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all the stuff that I understood for
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a disliking it, but I had
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I I went back tonight and I
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it, and I guess I feel
the character is psychic. But for some

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reason, I did not think we
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straight serial killer. Especially that's when
I brought sound sim that's been all since

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the festivals. Oh, it's the
cineration Silence Lambs. That is a peer

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just crime movie. It's girl versus
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we go and the first act of
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psychic, and I just thought there's
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character that's kind of touched and you
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me, the shining? I don't
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the shining before? I've not Actually
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has a shining, but they think
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right, And that's what I kind
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it's like, Okay, that's the
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of this movie, we're into possession, We're into the devil being around,

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We're into demons. So that's where
I need to rewatch. As far as

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I was throwing for a loop because
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they're talking about, oh yeah,
here's this doll and here's this like metal

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orb that has like brain satanic powers, I was like, this kind of

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through me for a loop. I
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feel like you could just go,
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kills these families and we don't know
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many times. Then I saw,
right, oh, you figure it out

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because X, Y, and Z. So that's where it's not so much

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the mystery. It's that's where I
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horror and the fact that we got
it. That's where I need to go

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back and watch it from the beginning. And I think there's little stuff with

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like the reveal of Nick Cage's in
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and see how I really feel about
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of it's a straight serial killer movie. Yeah, the trailers other than like,

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yeah, the kind of serial killer
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they were hyping up this idea of
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a lot of shots that was like
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like the screaming in the car,
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that that has nothing to do with
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just a fun marketing thing and that's
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supernaturally stuff, but that ended up
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I think for me, like the
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away the fun questions because to me, like I don't I have no question

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about her being a psychic or people
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oh, it's the devil doing it. And I think a lot of

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other movies would do a lot of
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ambiguous enough where it's like, Okay, is the devil actually doing it or

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are people just thinking that and it's
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my mind, there's no question that's
like, oh yeah, the devil can

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like mind control people or like make
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like these orbs, I guess,
and that's it's it's not really that fun

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for me to think about it unless
I'm you guys, feel like I'm missing

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something. But to me, there's
no ambiguity, like there's no way there

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isn't a devil controlling people in this
movie. And then that kind of writes

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away any potential plot holes or character
questions just as oh, yeah, the

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devil's controlling them in some way.
So there you go, and that's fair.

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I think I agree with you that
I could have liked it if they

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held back on that a bit.
I needed the more explanation, I guess

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I should clarify of how did Nick
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what I needed, because I thought
for a second we weren't gonna get like

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much explanation because Nick Cage, you
know, the pass away dies of a

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very terrible depth, and then like
there's a lot of things that happen,

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and we I was worried we're gonna
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So I'll specifically say that I wanted
his connection with our main character and the

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mother we explained. I still would
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on. I said this to it. It's like a conjuring movie. At

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the end of it, it is, Yeah, they you may as well

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have the Warrens there trying to possess
one of these dolls, you know,

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didn't they explain how the how Nick
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because I thought at the end through
all that dialogue that he was doing his

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murderous adventure I guess, and he's
been killing families, and so this was

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just the latest family, right,
and so a mom just pleaded and made

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a deal with him, like,
hey, I will do I will work

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with you if you spare us.
I thought that was the that was just

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the whole backstory, just of it, right. Yeah, but I'm saying

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they I'm glad they did that that. Oh okay. I was worried for

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a bit they were going to leave
that ambiguous. And I'm with Dylan where

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I could have taken the killings and
the house stuff if they want to leave

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the ambiguous, that maybe could have
made the movie better. But his connection

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with the family, I needed that
crystal clear of like, Okay, how

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does this connect because it's I was
saying this to Taylor where Dylan, why

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do you think she's an FBI agent? Like is it just coincidence or not?

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And that's something where they don't go
into clearly he's doing these things to

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like create a message, and it
seems like that message is well, it's

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clearly for her because then he actually
goes into her house and leaves a message

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there. Mm hmmm. So I
guess maybe he's kind of been like puppet

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mastering things like I don't know,
putting thoughts in her mom's head which led

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her down this path or something like
that. Yeah, but then why does

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he need her to be that?
Like, what is it achieve? Because

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he's everything still happens, right,
I don't really feel like there is a

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reason because one thing that I found
interesting at the start of this movie,

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there's a scene where the the police
department chief whatever, he's telling the people,

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Okay, you're gonna go door to
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this guy. And he's like,
it's not like the movies. People.

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scenes later when she's talking when Mike is

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talking to the daughter of the chief, and she's like, oh, yeah,

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I was gonna be an actor,
but then I went and did this

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other thing, and so I'm like, this is kind of interesting. We're

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doing like multiple kind of commenting on
this being a movie and actors stuff,

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and I thought that was gonna be
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it never came up again. And
also, weirdly, I don't know if

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it's me, just me. But
when that happens in moves, when people

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talk about like being actors or when
people say like, oh, it's just

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like the movies, I feel like
that takes me out of it, Like

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it just takes me out of the
immersion. It makes me think, makes

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me it reminds me that I'm watching
a movie. And so just when it

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actually doesn't do anything for the plot
whatsoever, I don't understand why her being

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an actor has anything to do with
it. So it was weird that there

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was two kind of moments like that, but then you know, it wasn't

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really turned into anything. It was
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dialogue. The only time I'm fine
with it is if it's like a Lalla

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Land where there the script is they're
trying to be an actor and I want

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to be an actor because the same
thing I thought about that when she's like

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I want to be an actress,
it's like, well, you are an

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actress, And that's where I was
trying to figure out was and they could

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have picked any job, but did
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then when they you know, meet
long Legs, has that change because like

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being an FBI agent. If there
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because I feel like they achieve all
their goals of anything she gets in the

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way because she's kind of stops the
thing. I don't know. I think

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the movie leads that ambiguous of if
she's going to leave the house or not,

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because she's saying let's go, but
she's not moving. So I think

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they're trying. I do like that
as any because they're almost insinuating, like

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she might kill that little girl,
you know, like that. I guess

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the part of it is like if
we believe the triangle theory that she was

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devising, like that was the last
date, so maybe we could see it

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as like that was the closing of
this circle, like this act of the

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devil had like this whole grand plan
to do like just this many killings with

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this group, and then presumably this
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you know, like just random different
parts all over the world. There's

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different things going on that are connected
to it. So yeah, I don't

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know, maybe that's part of it
is that that was kind of why I

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was leading towards that, so she
would be the one to get him killed,

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which maybe one where the other would
lead to the mom dying and that

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would kind of close off that storyline. Yeah, I mean we don't ever

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see really the devil's perspective. It's
not like the novel's not really he's just

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a concept. And yeah, I
guess that one's to me, Like I

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guess the thing is with some of
the killings, like where a lot of

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it is like, oh yeah,
thirty years ago there was this killing in

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this city and we're getting stuff,
but like there's not a lot of evidence.

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They can't track much evidence, and
I think at that point it's like,

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Okay, there could be something weird
going on here where like maybe he

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still did these killings, but he's
just really good about hiding the evidence.

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But yeah, we have the family
at the end, and we see this

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police chief that we've gotten to know
and he's clearly possessed and not acting correct

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that it's like, okay, well, now any sort of that ambiguity that

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could have been there is kind of
removed now, Like the lady who is

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in the psyche hospital and jumped off
the roof like that I could believe that

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that isn't an act of God,
like she you know, just felt that

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way because she had a pretty traumatic
life. But when we see the police

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chief, you know, being a
murderer, that's like, okay, well,

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I guess clearly the devil is mind
controlling him and there's nothing more to

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it. Yeah, it's almost like
if you would have and I don't know

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if you would do that because they
I think clearly they the writer and directors,

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they wanted to go the supernatural,
right like with that third act.

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If you didn't want to, you
could have done the thing where she got

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there too lay and that family's dead, and then you go, okay,

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what is like, did was it
a possession? Is what's happening? But

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they do show their hands and that's
where for me, that's where I need

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to I want to watch the first
act and stuff again, watching knowing okay,

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this is just a supernatural movie.
Do I feel better or worse about

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that? When I know that from
the get go? You know, yeah,

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yeah, I think I would have
less beef with the movie. Over

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rolf. I actually found it scary
because it's like, okay, well I

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got my horror experience. But when
the plot is kind of uninteresting, like

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like there are things I like the
idea of him being this doll maker that

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lives in the basement of the main
character's house and he makes these dolls and

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then the mom goes to these houses
and sets them there, and then like

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this weird gem in the head is
controlling people, giving them weird thoughts.

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Even the doctor like that. That
stuff is fun, to be clear,

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it just needs a little bit more pizaz

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with like the the ending of it
perhaps, And I will mention this before

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I forget it. I had an
outer body experience in this movie at the

406
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beginning of this body or out of
body, out of both something with the

407
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,240
body when they are doing that walk
about, which I did. Like that

408
00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:56,039
scene many knocks and first indoor opens
just shoots the guy, right. I

409
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,680
enjoyed that. That was good.
Yeah, that I've been to that location

410
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,200
just checked. They filmed a Vancouver. My grandmother owned a home in that

411
00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:08,680
area. Crazy because when they pulled
up and there's the there's a visitor thing

412
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,240
right there, I'm like, that
looks so similar. And the walkway is

413
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,359
the exact same way where it's a
straight and arrow to the door and it's

414
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,839
around house. The inside different location
that was not the same house, but

415
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,559
the outside it was crazy Vancouver.
I was thinking, yeah, and I

416
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:26,839
looked at him like, oh my
god, like I've been there. I've

417
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,119
been in that exact fucking spot where
they parked, and it's it's nuts because

418
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,200
I remember too. What caught me
off was those weird roofs. They're jagged,

419
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:37,880
and yeah, it's I can't remember
where exactly. I have to ask

420
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,559
my dad and get the because I'm
seeing him to more on tell them like,

421
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:42,319
yeah, where my grandma used to
own a place? So cool?

422
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:45,240
It was there, so and that
rarely happens in the movies. Like last

423
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,799
year that happened when I watched a
movie that was like, oh, it's

424
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:49,920
from Colonne and they show on the
boardwalk. But it's like, yeah,

425
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,720
that's like, if you're gonna shoot
a movie in Coloni, you're probably gonna

426
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,880
shoot it downtown on the boardwalk.
Like that's the most that I would remember.

427
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,640
But this was just like a random
Oh, just houses, and it's

428
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,319
like, oh my god, I've
been. I've been where long Legs was

429
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,799
or whatever. That was the guy
experience where one of the kills in Final

430
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:08,680
Destination three is like a block from
where I live right now. Oh yeah,

431
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,640
I'm seeing it, and I was
like, that looks so familiar,

432
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,119
and going to watch the movie and
then once again it being a completely different

433
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,920
building when it is in the movie. It's it's funny when that happens.

434
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,519
Mm hmm. Yeah. Good stuff
there. And the best thing with the

435
00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:26,119
FBI thing, I would liked more
clarification on that of if it was something

436
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,839
they really needed or it was just
luck because I don't know there. And

437
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:33,759
the second thing that I maybe need
I think is a third thing too.

438
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,720
What did you think the significance was? Because me and they were talking about

439
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,880
this when they shoot that doll,
when the mom shoots the doll in front

440
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,559
of her and then she just wakes
up in a bed, what's the significance

441
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:51,240
of that when she shoots the doll? So remember it's the Yeah, the

442
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:56,119
agent's there, she kills the agents. Seems to be some connectivity between I.

443
00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:59,200
I don't really. I guess it
doesn't really make sense to me.

444
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,400
That's one thing I have a question
about because every other family presumably that has

445
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,559
got one of these dolls, the
doll was just there for like I don't

446
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,880
know, even days before, even
moments, I guess, because oftentimes it

447
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,160
seems like the dad instantly goes and
like kills the family. So there's not

448
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,880
really like this big bond formed between
the daughter of the family and the doll

449
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,559
other than the fact that they look
the same. Yeah, So I guess

450
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,640
there's some sort of entanglement between them, but I don't know. I don't

451
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,799
really know how meaningful. I guess, Yeah, I don't have a theory

452
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,240
for that one. In particular,
that is because we don't really see another

453
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:36,599
example of that in the movie other
than like the little girl at the end

454
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,599
being fascinated with the doll. But
then even then, when like Micah's pulling

455
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,240
her away, she doesn't seem to
object. Yeah, and then the movie

456
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:47,759
cuts and that's like the end of
it. So we don't really know if

457
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:51,160
she would have long term effects of
being attached to that doll or something.

458
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,400
And that's where so, like Taylor, we talk about the card, do

459
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,960
you have any theories now as far
as because I like they shoot the do

460
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,720
any of that exposition dump? So
I thought, Okay, part of it's

461
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:06,920
like this doll maybe was holding back
some memories for our main characters. I'm

462
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,559
like, Okay, I can go
with that, but at the same time,

463
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,680
like what does it truly do?
And I don't know again if that

464
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,240
ties into if it holds back her
memories, maybe it guys or to be

465
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:18,960
an FBI agent. But I didn't
feel like in the movie she's like being

466
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,079
she's possessed or doing things she doesn't
want to do. Right, So well,

467
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,519
there were times where I was thinking, like, Okay, is she

468
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,720
really seeing these things like let's say
long legs going inside of her house that

469
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:34,599
Okay, is this really happening there? Or when it's on the outside,

470
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,880
just chilling out there in the yards, long legs sitting there. Yeah,

471
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:44,200
so I have to wonder like,
Okay, is is she creating these pieces

472
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,839
of evidence for herself and like creating
this the scenario for herself. But I

473
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,160
think though when we talked about I
mean you mentioned already the fact that she

474
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,160
just starts getting to remember all these
things, you get that exposition on basically

475
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,119
her whole childhood. I feel like
that what was rewarded to her after the

476
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,200
dolls had exploded, and that's what
her mom was trying to give her.

477
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,440
Ah, So what does mom want
to give her that, like I guess,

478
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,359
just because she's still her mom.
But then she just like I thought

479
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,599
it was a bold move too.
I guess, like if Dylan said,

480
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,119
if they want to be completed,
they're good. But if they still want

481
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,079
these killings to continue, bold move
not to uh handcuff the daughter or tire

482
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,039
up because she might come and stop
this last occurrence with the police chief.

483
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,839
I think what might be happening a
little bit is like the clearly these orbs

484
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,440
that are like the brain as they
call them, in the head, it's

485
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,680
clearly some like metal from hell,
you know, like that's not that's something

486
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,200
funky's going on because there's nothing inside
of it, but it's emitting sound and

487
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:47,519
frequencies. And maybe that's the thing
that is giving her a connection with the

488
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,680
devil, which is where her like
psychic nature comes from. Like that's what

489
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,720
gives her this extra sense or something. So maybe when that's shot, it's

490
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,480
severing that which is like this thing
in her brain, so it knocks her

491
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,279
out, and then after that point
we don't really see anything. I would

492
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:03,599
indicate that she still has your psychic
powers. We don't see the otherwise the

493
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,279
opposite. I suppose either because that's
like goes right into the very finalite of

494
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:11,079
the movie. Yeah, but maybe
that was like severing that connection. I

495
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:12,599
don't know, not like she was
doing anything satanic though, so I don't

496
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,960
really know. I don't know what's
going on there exactly. M hmm.

497
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,000
Yeah. No, that's something that
I'm interested to hear other people's kind of

498
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:27,119
theories about. And that's why again
I want to rewatch certain aspects and see.

499
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,240
Yeah, I don't mind the psychic
connections being I guess based upon the

500
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,759
devil. I'm sure maybe the devil
might give you some benefits and whatnot.

501
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,599
But yeah, I just that still
was a strange scene for me where she

502
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,440
shoots that doll, wakes up and
goes right to the birthday party and everything.

503
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,279
But at least I like that they
set the birthday party up pretty early

504
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,759
in the movie, so it felt
like a natural occurrence to me. Of

505
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:53,440
like when they said, I was
like, oh, right, that she's

506
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:57,279
daughter's birthdays coming up. That's gonna
be a terrible situation. And it was.

507
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:02,920
So there's the effect dude, like
the devil was calling her up on

508
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,160
the phone and then it's like you're
late for the birthday, right, the

509
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,079
Devil's like, hey, you need
to get over there. So I don't

510
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:11,440
know, maybe you need a little
bit more context, like what this grand

511
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,960
plan is, Like they yeah,
yeah, and even then like, well

512
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:22,759
if because if the if the deaths
don't occur, then both the daughter my

513
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,720
agenda and her mom are going to
burn in hell forever. That's how the

514
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:29,319
deal works. And so she so
this is what the devil's saying, right,

515
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:30,920
the devil said, could be a
liar, you know. I'm gonna

516
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:36,000
say, I think that's a truthful
thing, though. I mean, if

517
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,039
the devils saying you're gonna burn in
hell, I mean I if you're a

518
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:41,799
good person, he can just decide
that. Like, I feel like there

519
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,839
could be some tom foolery there from
the devil. He told the mom,

520
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,079
and the mom's not a good person. The mum's putting demon dolls in homes.

521
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,279
Yeah, she could have been a
good or she I guess she would

522
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,799
just died, you know. But
I think it's almost more like a deal

523
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,079
with the devil in the sense of
I don't think if he killed that first

524
00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:00,559
night in Long Legs meets him,
I don't think if he kills the mom

525
00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:03,440
and the daughter they're going to hell. But I think once that the deal,

526
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,279
well they're no, if he kills
them, they're not going to hell.

527
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,599
But they didn't want to be killed, so they're like, Okay,

528
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,799
he'll keep us alive, keep us
alive. It's like, okay, well

529
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:15,680
if you want to keep stay alive
here. Yeah, as you said,

530
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,880
here's the deal. If you break
this deal now, then you're gonna go

531
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,920
to hell forever. Yeah, yeahda
YadA. But still it's just it is

532
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,559
peculiar. Why the demon just hopped
on the phone and it was just like,

533
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:26,640
hey, you're late for the birthday
party. Although I like that scene

534
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,839
when she's trying to get to the
phone and you see the demon shadow in

535
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,960
the background behind her. That was
pretty cool. M there's a few times,

536
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,319
even watching rewatching the trailer, it's
funny they had that shot of long

537
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,519
Legs sitting outside, like when it's
the be in the movie and he's at

538
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,240
her house and she looks outside and
he's just sitting on the ground. In

539
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:48,160
the trailer, you minorly can see
like the silhouette of the devil by him.

540
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,559
So now when I'm watching, like, oh man, because now I

541
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,880
know what to look out for.
But they do have the silhouette of the

542
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,559
devil a couple times, so I
do appreciate that, and I really liked

543
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:59,559
you know, we have a similar
scare. I like these type of scares

544
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:06,079
where it's the main character and the
other cop is showing up and they're gonna

545
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:07,759
bring the mum in for questioning,
and then she leaves her in the car,

546
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:09,880
and then when they go back to
the car, the mom is just

547
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,000
standing behind her, but she's like
a similar color to the backdrop, so

548
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:15,079
you see her, but I don't
see her. And then she moves like

549
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,039
all that's good stuff and brew it
away for that cop to go on.

550
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,480
Yeah, there's a few of those
shots too where you're looking for something there

551
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,400
isn't actionating there too. Yeah,
they do a good job of mixing up,

552
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,680
Like when she's on the phone in
her house early on, and like

553
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:30,920
half the frame is her on the
phone, then half the frame is just

554
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,839
like the doorway behind her, and
so my eyes the whole time, we're

555
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,519
just like trained on that door,
right, but nothing happens there, and

556
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:38,880
then that's when the knocking the door
happens. What did you guys think of

557
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:46,200
the kind of pre I guess Nick
Cage exposition dump in terms of the investigation

558
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:51,039
part of it, like the actual
detective work and trying to find the clues

559
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:54,559
of the serial killer? You guys, were you guys intrigued by by that

560
00:32:54,599 --> 00:33:02,599
section? Really? I mean sorry, I just I had brain fron.

561
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,839
I was trying to like scrupt through
the trailer here and see what you were

562
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:07,720
talking about, Travis, with these
the demon things popping up? Can you

563
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:13,000
beat the question? Dylan? You
made you cut my interest Travis that you

564
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,559
said you saw it in the trailer. Uh? The okay, so the

565
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:21,160
before Nick Cage does the expedition exposition
dump and we we as the audience learned

566
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,039
all that information, what did you
think about the actual investigation in terms of

567
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:29,039
like the serial killers clues and that
kind of step by step process, Like,

568
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,839
was that was that intriguing for you? I I think that some of

569
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:37,240
it was prolonged, and I didn't
really pick up on how she knew immediately

570
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,359
how to decipher everything. I just
assume I'm kind of like, actually,

571
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,799
like, well, he gave me
an agent. So because what happens is

572
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:50,599
he because knowing the card, he
because he sends her card and one part

573
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:52,440
of the card is like the usual
long legs letters where it's a bunch of

574
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,599
letters, but then another part of
the card had the letters, and then

575
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,599
it had the English letters on top
of them. So he gave her the

576
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,880
key, so she didn't really figure
it out. He gave to her,

577
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,200
and that's why I go back to, like half the letters and then she

578
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,119
kind of figured it out, yes, exactly, and that's why I went

579
00:34:07,159 --> 00:34:10,199
back to like did he need her
to be an FBI agent for some reason?

580
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,000
Because why does he need to give
her this key specifically? Right?

581
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,320
You know? So Okay, that's
interesting. Then yeah, no, I

582
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,679
I think that again some of those
scenes where it was just really really long,

583
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,360
like you get felt like it was
twenty minutes where she is brought in

584
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,000
after she does her psychic test and
they have her look at all the information

585
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,639
the evidence, and she's just sitting
in this room putting photos down and just

586
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,159
like moving things around and whatnot.
And then that's I feel like that's it.

587
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,000
I feel like it just it wraps
up with like, Okay, we're

588
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,360
gonna go get a drink. You
can watch me drink. Oh you know,

589
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,679
you're gonna come meet my family,
meet my daughter. And that's really

590
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:52,000
it everything after that, it just
felt like, well, it was just

591
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,800
presented as is another family was targeted. She goes back home, finds a

592
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,039
photo of him, so because what, how did that happen? Again?

593
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:05,719
How did they? Right? Because
they're looking, they figure it because that's

594
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,320
the one thing she does figure out
by herself is the birthdays. Right that

595
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,360
they have a birthday on the fourteenth, and it's always within six days.

596
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,239
And he the I can't. I
gotta get the characters in because I really

597
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,280
like Blair under what. I've been
a bit He's been always like a kind

598
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,599
of these type of roles or like
a bit player and stuff. But yeah,

599
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:23,679
the police chief, I I I'm
a big fan of Underwit, so

600
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:27,480
I was happy to have him in
here. But him and his team they

601
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,920
look back at all these logs and
everything, and right, that's how they

602
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,760
find out because she called the police
station the day before fourteenth saying there was

603
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,719
a man outside, and that's where
they're like, oh, you gotta go

604
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,599
see because it does just seem like
not easy, but just like, hey,

605
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:44,039
yeah, your mom said something about
a weird guy. You should go

606
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,559
talk to her, you know.
So I liked it for the most part.

607
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:50,440
I agree with Taylor where I think
there is even though it's not a

608
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,119
long movie, I think there's some
slowness going on where I don't say they

609
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:58,639
got to speed it up, but
maybe it's just you know, I don't

610
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,599
know. There just felt like scenes
it felt like we've hung on just a

611
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,599
tattoo long. Even if it's just
thirty seconds too long, it's like we've

612
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:08,000
gone the point across and it's not
like there's some scenes. It's not that

613
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:13,360
there's creepy music or or it's just
her investigating or doing something, so it's

614
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,239
just kind of you're just you're with
the character. At least I like the

615
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,440
choices they did with this character,
because from the trailers you don't pick up

616
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,840
any of that. But she's a
very nervous I think clearly that's what I

617
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,480
think they were, you know,
trying to insinuate the moment, which I

618
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:31,320
enjoyed at first, just trying to
show kind of like a hereditary mental illness

619
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,559
thing going on between the two that
they keep to themselves. They're not people

620
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:42,199
persons. They have very maybe strict
anal ways of doing things, and especially

621
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,280
like the way she later like all
the it's on the floor, but just

622
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,199
like she already had a method the
second she got that folder. And yes,

623
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:52,079
it could be a detective, but
I feel like it's a combo of

624
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,360
many things. So I liked that
with the character, so at least she

625
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,159
was interesting to still watch when she's
doing stuff, but even things like the

626
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,079
uh when she's talking to the little
girl. I think it's a fun scene,

627
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,480
but there's just like fifteen seconds of
her like looking around and stuff,

628
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,079
which it it's good, but I
think they do that a few two times

629
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,159
too many in this. At the
beginning, we're like, okay, I

630
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:15,199
think you'd speed this up like a
little bit, but it didn't majorly detract

631
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,480
just slow things. You would ramp
them up, Especially because I didn't think

632
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,079
they were gonna do this. They
kept going back to Nick Cage. I

633
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:23,679
thought we wouldn't meet him for a
while. I thought it was going to

634
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,800
be Okay. We got that opening, which I loved the opening. I

635
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,719
love that that shot of just he
walks up and it's just his chin and

636
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,440
I love like, I love the
voice choice. I love how kind of

637
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,039
it's like it's like a creaky floor, you never know when you step on

638
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:43,559
it. What like what letter is
gonna make a really loud sound or not.

639
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:45,719
And when he pops in the screen
and they cut right before you see

640
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,760
his face, it's like, Oh, they show enough of Like they give

641
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,719
him prosthetics, which I like,
and he's swollen. He has this creepy

642
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,039
voice. So that's where I thought, Okay, we're gonna see him here,

643
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:59,599
and I thought he'd be like the
main battie, so we probably won't

644
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,360
meet him for a while, but
then they'd keep going back to him,

645
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,119
and his scenes are always intense.
He's always loud, the music's loud,

646
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,079
there's jump scares when he's on screen, and then when they go back to

647
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:13,320
Monroe, her seems very quiet,
sometimes with almost no score. So that's

648
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,360
why I don't know if it's like
a pacing thing for me that made it

649
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,119
feel longer, like Oh, we're
ramping up and okay, right back then,

650
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:20,119
Oh we're ramping up, Okay,
right back down, you know.

651
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,639
M hmm. Yeah. I guess
leading into him, I guess I just

652
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:29,639
found him too zany for this role, where it kind of cut the tension

653
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:31,400
of these scenes, like, for
example, when he's yelling in the car,

654
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,280
like I just started laughing, which
should be a scary moment of like,

655
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,599
wow, our serial killer is actually
getting like aggressive and loud goofy,

656
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:45,000
and me, Daddy, were you
laughing or you were you frightened? I

657
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,320
was uncomfortable. I wasn't screaming like
he was, but I was uncomfortable.

658
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:52,039
I was just like, Okay,
here's Nick Cage yelling again like he always

659
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:58,000
does and being goofy. Like.
I think it was the way they established

660
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,840
it because I felt uncomfortable. Because
they do this shot with this young girl

661
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,679
in the in the convenience store and
he walks in and you don't get a

662
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,400
direct look at him. It's just
through the aisle mirror and you see him

663
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,679
just sounder into the back grab something, and then Saunder's back up to the

664
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:14,760
front and again you don't get that
clear vision of his face, but he's

665
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,920
doing like the like the weird hand
gestures over his face saying I don't even

666
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,199
remember what he's saying. What he's
being fucking weird, and that sets up

667
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,800
like it's just it's uncomfortable, and
then yeah, the girl's like, oh

668
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,800
Dad, that creepy guy's back the
girl's guy, and then it cuts to

669
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,440
him in the car and so they
commend like, Okay, her body gonna

670
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,519
be in the back trunk, and
he's just like mommy, daddy, mother,

671
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:38,280
Like it's just that's set up to
leading into that scene. That's what

672
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,239
makes it uncomfortable for me. M
yeah, I guess I couldn't get past

673
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,320
the nick cageness of it, which
is why that's fair. Maybe would have

674
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:51,519
wanted someone else to to do the
role with someone who maybe who you casting,

675
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:53,679
I don't know. I mean I
think I would want it to be

676
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,039
someone I don't really know. I'd
want it to be someone that I'm not

677
00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,280
recognized and being like, oh,
here's this guy doing this thing that I've

678
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,719
seen before, and I think that
you could pull it off pretty easily with

679
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,159
like prosthetics and then looking looking weird. But then when he just like to

680
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:08,800
me, like the trailer, I
thought he had such an interesting voice and

681
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,880
I couldn't tell it was him,
and then in this it was just sounded

682
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,119
like he was using his regular nick
Cage voice to me. So really,

683
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,079
yeah, because I was in the
trailers, I was like, oh,

684
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:21,800
this is his nick Cage being creepy, and then the movie I felt like

685
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,760
it went away from it. Even
face wise, I feel like I did

686
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,480
know. Other than the eyes,
I feel like they get enough stuff to

687
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:30,480
make me not feel like I'm watching
Nick Cage. I love those swollenness.

688
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,400
I love the white makeup. Because
I wasn't sure what they were doing at

689
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,480
the beginning because he's wearing almost fininine
clothing and he's wearing makeup. So I

690
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:42,280
was like, Okay, are they
going that route? But they didn't.

691
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,880
That's something I liked that they didn't
explain it. They din't explain, oh,

692
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,119
he has some skin condition, or
we see him go get medicine at

693
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:51,960
that pharmacy. But my theory here
is because at one point when he's in

694
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,360
I think he's I guess he's in
the basement and he's like leaning again.

695
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,639
He's like on his bed on the
ground, leaning against the wall, and

696
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,599
he has some posters behind him,
and some of them are like naked women,

697
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,960
like with long blonde hair and stuff, and another one is just Axel

698
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:07,840
Rose. Yeah, And so I
felt like they were trying to show that

699
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,159
he was trying to emulate the look
of these people that he looks up to.

700
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,960
So one he was trying to look
like this, you know, beautiful

701
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:16,679
blonde woman. And so I felt
like he was probably getting all sorts of

702
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:20,480
fillers in his face to I think, so you'll alter his face and that's

703
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,480
why his face looked that way.
But then also the rock star element where

704
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:27,039
he's like singing and he's like doing
that hahaha. They're doing some you know,

705
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,320
guns and roses type stuff. So
I thought that was kind of a

706
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,639
funny little thing where, yeah,
they don't really explain it out right,

707
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:37,199
but you can just kind of context
clues by looking at his weird environment that

708
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,559
these are kind of the people he
looks up to, which is weird people

709
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:42,960
to look up to for a serial
killer, I suppose, But maybe that's

710
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,719
what makes it so unique. No, go ahead, go ahead. I

711
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,920
was just gonna say, I think
I'm trying to say this in the most

712
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:53,679
positive way, and it's gonna sound
like a shot in a cage. I

713
00:41:53,719 --> 00:42:00,559
think that Nick Cage sometimes naturally comes
off as a an odd fellow. I'd

714
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:05,920
say, where to me in this
role at parlays as, it seems like

715
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,880
this is someone with high functioning mental
health issues, and that's where to me,

716
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,360
the uncomfortableness comes in. And that's
where it almost relates to the other

717
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,280
two characters too, with the Mother
and the Daughter, where he clearly is

718
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,079
a smart I get he's smart to
a degree, right, because he has

719
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,480
a certain it has to be this
day and he's making a calendar all these

720
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:28,079
years, like there's a certain way. But then when he's put in the

721
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:32,400
public around people in certain situations,
he can't act accordingly. So I think

722
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,599
I like that the nick Cage isms
that we consider kind of weird and funny,

723
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,239
I think they play them off as
you could look at him as he

724
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,960
is suffering from mental illness. And
that's where it worked for me. That's

725
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,360
where it actually. I didn't laugh
in like a funny way. I laughed

726
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:52,400
like uncomfortable, because it is I've
met individuals like that before, where whatever

727
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,440
it is, whether it's drug use
or their personal life or just what happened

728
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,480
to them, there's something off,
but they don't exactly know that. So

729
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,679
when he's like singing to people,
I think for him that's just like h

730
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,639
he's just singing, but you wouldn't
do that in real life. And of

731
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:07,960
course because we know he's killing people, comes off as creepy, but a

732
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,039
lot of times it's just him kind
of acting naturally. Of course, I

733
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:15,719
really love the interrogation scene, because
I think he's full creepy. But even

734
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,920
then when they first start talking to
him, he's like looking around the room

735
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,000
and he's really confused. And I
really like the choice of the first interrogation

736
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,559
being on the monitor and then then
just watching over and I really like that.

737
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,519
So in the interrogation, like he
gets a little, he gets a

738
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,760
little, he gets pretty cagey at
times, but I was I was scared

739
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,559
of him there, especially near the
end when he's very serious, and I

740
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,159
just actually didn't think and Nick Cage
maybe had this energy left in him to

741
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:45,639
do like get this work to this
worked up. So yeah, I agree.

742
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,360
It was just terrifying, absolutely terrifying. His like end scene too,

743
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:58,199
like Hail Satan and then there's like
his little kiss wild stuff. When this

744
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:04,440
is kind of going back to the
beginning. When the agent goes back home

745
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:08,920
and she locks the door, she
does the the like the main lock,

746
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,159
and we can see that there's like
a chain link lock up top. She

747
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,559
does not do that up Now she
goes off, she's sitting at her desk,

748
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:20,800
she's doing her own thing, and
then she I think at this point

749
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,480
this is when you hear the banging
on the door when she's on the phone,

750
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:25,400
and then it cuts to the door
and the chain is now in the

751
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,239
door. Now it cuts to her
walking to the door slowly. I think,

752
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:34,239
I don't think she sees outside yet
and sees long legs out there,

753
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,760
but it cuts to her walking to
the door. When she walks to the

754
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:40,599
front door, now the chain is
disabled, and I thought, oh,

755
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:44,519
it's kind of weird, and are
they alluding to like ghosts or doing this

756
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:46,960
or what's going on? I just
do I saw that too when I was

757
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:51,679
very and that was something that made
me think, Okay, maybe this character

758
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:55,960
is maybe she's actually doing some crimes
or something, because like we're just as

759
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,000
the viewer, we're not being shown
everything that's going on, but there's clearly

760
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:04,239
scenes missing where at some point she
went and locked that door again. I

761
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,400
honestly think it was just a like
a like corner deer. Yeah. I

762
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:14,280
can't think of anything else what it
would signify. Yeah, it's kind of

763
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,079
weird. Yeah, I have to
watch back because I just remember that was

764
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:20,800
unlocked. The knock happened, then
she locked it, so I'd have to

765
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,840
go back and see it because I
didn't remember that it was unlocked again for

766
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,039
another time. But I guess he
got in there right, so I'm not

767
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:28,519
sure if he liked, Well,
she left the car open when she went

768
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,679
out there, right, it looked
like because she went down the steps,

769
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:31,960
it looked like she left that door
wide open. When she went back to

770
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,039
the house, the doors are still
wide open, so someone did go in

771
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:42,199
and obviously do some shit. Yeah, he after a birthday present, and

772
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,800
oh she I hate, like in
the best way. I hate when he

773
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,480
called her the almost birthday girl.
There's just something creepy about that, the

774
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:52,440
way he would do with his voice. I just, oh, yeah,

775
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,559
I was. I was digging that. But oh, I can't remember where

776
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:59,679
I was gonna go next, Like
this one has a place to go,

777
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,000
take me there, Well, I
forgot. I'll mention this because you just

778
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:05,880
mentioned the birthdays, and because we
were talking about this, and then we

779
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,840
ended up talking about in a cage
for a bit there. But I was

780
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:15,320
I didn't really like the element of
Okay, she's triangulating these birthday positions,

781
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:19,320
and this is like drawing a triangle
over the course of all these years on

782
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,880
Like I think, what weird is
like I've never seen anyone draw a calendar

783
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,920
that way, So I'm like,
how was how is that supposed to be

784
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,400
like a fun thing to figure out? Like, I've never seen anyone write

785
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,880
a calendar like that, so it's
weird that she would write a calendar like

786
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,519
that. And then somehow it draws
a triangle, which is like the most

787
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:36,679
basic shape you can drop, but
then somehow that relates to like that near

788
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:38,280
the end of this book there's a
picture of like a triangle, but then

789
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,320
it also has other things. Yeah, and so that's supposed to signify that

790
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,920
the devil is here. It just
felt like way too convoluted and didn't really

791
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:49,880
make sense or wasn't like a fun
like, oh, that's all clicking together

792
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,400
now, And so it kind of
made this whole rigamarole of finding these different

793
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,199
birthdays and how it's like, oh, it's weird, like it seems like

794
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,599
it's really to a certain date,
but then like there's variance on it by

795
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:01,159
a day or two here or there. And by the end of that whole

796
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:05,239
sequence, when we kind of had
it figured out, I didn't really feel

797
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,559
like it impacted me much, just
because it felt kind of random and in

798
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,519
like, you know, we're forty
years and making horror movies that were running

799
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:15,719
out of ideas, like what can
we do here, Let's make a weird

800
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,199
triangle with a calendar you've never seen
before, and that's gonna be the solution.

801
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,079
Even though it doesn't really matter whether
or not she knew that, I

802
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:23,679
suppose. I wonder though that calendar
was big in the nineties though, to

803
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,159
that type of calenter, right,
because this movie does take place, then

804
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,000
something I've never seen before is impact. So I don't know. I think

805
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,440
it's just a way to shoehorn in
a lot of symbolism. And when you

806
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,559
look at stuff that's demonic and occult, there's lots of symbolism evolved in that.

807
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:42,119
And I was I was even reading
it as well that when you look

808
00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:45,400
at the six days get Away from
that book, Yeah, the six days

809
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,000
that are kind of spaced out from
when the deaths would occur. I think

810
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,480
then they're relating to like the number
sixes that you see in that trantle she's

811
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:58,760
doing and all that, And so
I think it's just the symbolism, and

812
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,960
they're trying to create that sesthetic and
that atmosphere to our character kind of seeing

813
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,239
what's going on and feeling what's going
on, and I guess it gives them.

814
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,079
It's as a plaw point supposed to
give them that. Okay, the

815
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:13,079
thirteenth hasn't been filled out, so
that's the one they're trying to avoid,

816
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,599
but then they they don't avoid it
because is that was I wrong in thinking

817
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:22,280
that girl that kills herself? Was
she the girl from Sabrina? Or was

818
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,159
I wrong on that? You looked
familiar but I couldn't. I couldn't place

819
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:31,519
them. It's like Kreena, Sheina
Crypta or Courner Shipca, that's who it

820
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:35,920
is. Courne ship Cut, Karen
Shipka. I know her from mad Man,

821
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,400
but I feel like it was her
and it was her. Yeah,

822
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,960
okay, so and she's apparently twisters
coming up, so there you go.

823
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:45,840
So uh And then maybe that was
another scene that I thought maybe uh overstated

824
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,119
its welcome to when she was talking
to her in the asylum, and I

825
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:53,360
felt like we we got what we
needed and we stuck there a little longer.

826
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,559
So that was something where And I
don't think it related too much into

827
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:00,559
the future because she did kill herself. I guess it just shows that,

828
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:04,199
Okay, you know, eventually the
devil still got her. I guess or

829
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,800
what I mean. I think it
was supposed to be a bit of a

830
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,960
red hearing, right, just because
like, oh, that was the death

831
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,519
on this day, so you think
it's done, but then sure go to

832
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:14,079
the house later and then there's the
family because obviously wouldn't really make I guess

833
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,400
it could or couldn't make sense if
she kind of was like a survivor maybe

834
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,880
would make sense. Okay, she
finally did get killed on one of those

835
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,079
days, but then it was actually
referring to the chief's family. Yeah,

836
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:27,159
And I also think it was like
a double red hairing because if like at

837
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:30,119
the beginning, they're trying to make
it seem like could she be the accomplice?

838
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:31,440
You know, she's last left and
he went to talk to her,

839
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:36,840
Which is funny. In the first
twenty minutes, they really give you almost

840
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,159
everything you need as far as that
first scene is Nick Cage and you wouldn't

841
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:44,239
know it, but it's a young
version of our character. They set her

842
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,039
up as being psychic, so right
away they go, this is a supernatural

843
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:52,039
movie, even if it's a little
bit still supernatural, and then with oh

844
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:57,199
gosh, oh, they talk about
uh, I think I can't remember when

845
00:49:57,199 --> 00:49:59,960
when the bar they're talking about his
obsession with dates or whatever it may be.

846
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,119
There's some line and then she's like, oh, kind of like Charles

847
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:05,400
Manson, and he's like, well, Charles manson't work alone. It's like,

848
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,800
yeah, accomplice. So like right
away she was right on that.

849
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,000
I thought they were saying that because
that it was gonna be different because he's

850
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,079
doing things like a cult killer,
but he doesn't have a cult but he

851
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:16,480
did. So really, when you
think about the first act of this movie,

852
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,760
they do really show you what is
gonna happen. I just again was

853
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,519
not expecting some big jumps scene.
But one thing I really like too is,

854
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:28,519
yeah, that that opening scene,
which is yeah, the young girl

855
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:31,719
and and long legs in the in
the yard there the snowy yard, and

856
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,800
then so at first you're like,
Okay, obviously this is Micah's character,

857
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,760
but then later on the movie,
I thought it was actually carry Anne that

858
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,159
was that flashback of the scene,
but then it flips and eventually reveals that

859
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:46,000
it actually was his character. I
know, it's an actor and character this

860
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:50,639
year, So I thought that was
kind of a cool twist on twist of

861
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:52,159
that. Oh really, so that
from the first time he saw a scene

862
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,239
you thought it was Micah because I
didn't think that Ti. Later on,

863
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,559
I just thought all this is assumed. It was oh really okay, yeah,

864
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,320
because I didn't think our character was
gonna have the must have black blocked

865
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,119
this out or something. But like, eventually, I'm with you, so

866
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,079
I kind of fell too. Yeah
that was cool that they flipped it on

867
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,760
me and then and then unflipped it
later. Yeah. No, I didn't

868
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,800
think they were gonna have any connections. That's I was like, oh,

869
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,199
it's just some random girl or something
like that, but no, it was

870
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:19,360
it was her And then yeah,
that was the deal, the devil moment

871
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,320
and everything. So yeah, oh
there was What if I had another question?

872
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:29,039
I think I wrote down here that
I had Uh Nope, we covered

873
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:30,320
that it was her being psychic.
I guess it was. We talked about

874
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,639
that's we think that could be because
she might have had some connections to the

875
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:37,599
devil, and I guess she's using
that against them. I guess not probably

876
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,440
what the devil wants and everything.
And I did, oh and I Taylor,

877
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:47,880
I did where I was gonna like
Ghostriders. They got the actor from

878
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,559
it too, uhayl I did have
that trail that did have the moment here.

879
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:55,119
Let me do a full theater mode
for you. I'm gonna do no

880
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:59,000
sounds and we don't get a copyright
strike or anything like that. But if

881
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:04,360
you do a full screen there,
if you watch right there, the scene's

882
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,960
coming up, hang on and then
see look you can see right behind.

883
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:12,719
You can see it in the trailer. But I feel like I never noticed

884
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,079
that, so again, and I
think also when you're watching a trailer,

885
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,920
it looks like it could just be
smoke moving right like in the background,

886
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,559
but that they do that multiple times
the trailer. It could also whenever the

887
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:25,000
dolls had the black cloth over and
the yellow eyes would peak through. That's

888
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:29,840
freaky shit. That was scary.
Yeah, that was scary to me.

889
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,960
And honestly, anytime we went into
the box mode and had that filter,

890
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:38,760
all cool visual stuff like that.
They released that poster, But that fucking

891
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:44,199
woman giving herself a self see section
again, that's just unsettling. There's something

892
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,280
about it. I just I don't
like seeing they just cut her stabbing the

893
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,880
doll in the stomach, and then
that that moment when the mom's going to

894
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,239
talk to the doll and the dad
hits her and then she he walks away

895
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,199
in her hands, but he comes
right back like all that stuff, And

896
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,920
that's where I think, like visually
and artistically, like I got a lot

897
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,280
of points for this movie because a
lot of the imagery just some good driving

898
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,360
scenes when Yeah, so that all
that stuff really really delivered. And anytime

899
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,159
we were in that box mode,
I was like, that's when I was

900
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,719
on pin the Neils, like,
oh man, what's what's gonna happen here?

901
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,559
And then anytime we were on Nick
Cage close up, that was getting

902
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:21,280
me too. That woman stabbing the
doll. I felt like it was like

903
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,840
an outlast trial scene or something like
that, which is just there was a

904
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:29,480
few Nick Cage gave me some outlast
trials in here, just the way he

905
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,400
would scream and stuff going on,
Like I, yeah, I felt like

906
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:35,920
he would have been in one of
those wards, you know, dead by

907
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,239
daylight. So they got to get
Long Legs in there now too, Like

908
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:44,119
they gotta get him running around with
his outfits and hair and makeup and everything.

909
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,239
So yeah, and brutal death for
a Long Legs. He commits suicide

910
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,199
by just smashing his face in there. Yea whole nose and jaw wide open

911
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,920
bone, his nosebone. I never
want to see the nosebone, you know.

912
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,800
Do you know exactly what he said
at the start, because I was

913
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,480
trying to remember when he's like,
oh, I brought my long legs today,

914
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:06,719
Is that what he said to did
say, yeah, I thin,

915
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,840
because he's just about being cold.
And then when he goes she fucking goes

916
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,320
down on that. Oh God,
that's gonna stick with me. I can't

917
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,480
wait to watch that again. And
that opening scene that got me. There's

918
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:20,079
something about it. I think it's
because it's also just a dud with kids.

919
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,679
You know, when it's the adults, you uncomfortably laugh. But when

920
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,559
you have this character being very creepy
approaching a child who's very impressiable and might

921
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,519
not know better, and he's doing
the whole thing of your run a contest

922
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:35,119
and it's a toy, and it's
just like, oh, it's just horrifying

923
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:37,760
to think about. And what a
creepy guy. You know, it's like

924
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,079
cuckoo around the corner. Yeah yeah, And he didn't really get his come

925
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:44,760
up, and you know, like
in his mind, he did his plan,

926
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,079
it all went to work. They
didn't kill him he killed himself,

927
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:52,599
you know, so like it all, it all worked out for mister long

928
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,039
legs. So someone randomly did a
cuckoo from the back of the theater during

929
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:00,800
the Oh god, it wasn't like
it didn't creep me out. It would

930
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,239
have been fun if it did,
I think. But you looked and you've

931
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,960
seen the cage in there, full
makeup, terrifying. Yeah. Yeah.

932
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:10,440
Do you think there is a chance
that the roles could have changed, where

933
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,639
maybe the devil just thought like,
Okay, this ruth, this lady,

934
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:20,280
this mom, don't need her anymore, and I'll like, all that they

935
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:22,920
need to do is they need to
sit there and witness the deaths. And

936
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:29,199
so it was. It was kind
of weird how the agent was trying.

937
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,079
She had the little girl and she's
trying to shoot the doll, but it

938
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:35,400
sounded like it was just clicking.
So either she was assuming she was out

939
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,880
of AMMO, or something else could
have been happening. But what I'm trying

940
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:44,320
to get at is maybe the devil
wanted the agent to get there and let

941
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,280
the mom die. Because either way, however you look at it, the

942
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,719
agent that was there, she witnessed
all to death still and so that kind

943
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,239
of keeps it in line. And
I doubt we're going to get a sequel

944
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,719
or anything like that, but it
just feels like the devil still got what

945
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,119
he wanted by keeping them a witness
there. So I think so, And

946
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,599
like I said before, I still
think, you know, if you're looking

947
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,159
the mother's a bit older, you
might need a replacement. I still think

948
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:10,480
it's left ambiguous because she keeps saying
we gotta go, we gotta go,

949
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:13,800
and she's not moving, so it's
like, well, should need to be

950
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,800
running out of there. She also
should just kneecapped to the dad the second

951
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,920
they went to the kitchen, because
they're not in the right mind, I

952
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,280
do. I loved that line of
Oh, we're gonna go to the kitchen,

953
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,079
we'll be right back, and then
then he's like, well, I'll

954
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:28,000
be right back, and he's just
saying in like a jovial dad way,

955
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:30,199
but you know, like, oh
my god, he's gonna kill the mom.

956
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,559
And I also kind of appreciate you
just hear it going on, you

957
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:36,079
don't even see it, and I
think there's like some aspects that are worse

958
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:38,280
to that. And I know it's
her mom, but I would have I

959
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,800
would have been shooting my mom right
away. If my mom's doing this stuff,

960
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,920
she should have got a headshot it
right right when you get in there,

961
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,760
you kill the mom. You don't
know what's going on, you don't

962
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,480
know what witchcraft your mom's into.
It's time to go, you know.

963
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:54,719
So hmm. Yeah, anything else
specifically that we didn't talk about or cover,

964
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,079
I guess I just quick showed out
one. Lee Harker is a cool

965
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,960
name. I really like that name. And yeah, I was feeling,

966
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:06,400
I guess through the first half of
the movie, like, oh, I

967
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,119
was excited to see this actress and
something after it follows, right, I

968
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:13,679
was like, Okay, she wasn't
not really doing much. She's kind of

969
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,039
just like straight face the whole time, not really any degrees of acting here,

970
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:21,039
and just delivering the lines in a
very simple way, which is obviously

971
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:23,719
like how it was directed, how
it was supposed to be. But I

972
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:28,440
think near the end she got to
do a bit more, whether it's just

973
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:32,920
you know, seeing everything unfold with
her mother and her reactions there. I

974
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,559
thought it like it was actually pretty
impactful, especially when you have a character

975
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:40,440
who was so stoic the whole time
when she was with her mom, and

976
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,159
she chuckled a little bit, just
something based on when her mom said this

977
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:46,920
before all this crazy shit is going
down. Yeah, but it kind of

978
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,760
just like, I don't know,
it's it's like a heartwarming moment, just

979
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,719
because she's been so stonefaced that whole
time. But yeah, I thought near

980
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:58,239
the end of it she did some
good acting chops, But I guess I

981
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,679
wasn't as blown away as I was
expecting to be. But she still did

982
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,599
a decent job here. Yeah.
No, I really enjoyed her in this

983
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:08,840
one. And you mentioned something we
didn't talk about. I did like the

984
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,320
Again, I didn't think there's gonna
be any connection when she has those few

985
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,159
calls with her mom. I think
it was. I thought it was just

986
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:17,840
to show that her mom is also
might be on the spectrum on some certain

987
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,199
things, and that was about it. But now even those lines when she's

988
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:22,880
like, oh, I was used
to be a nurse and I've seen some

989
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,320
nasty things, and now thing in
retrospect, it's like, oh, yeah,

990
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,519
she's she certainly has seen some nasty
things over her years, you know,

991
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:35,199
so it's it's not good. And
even then, I just the way

992
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:37,760
they would just like greet each other. She would say, oh, yeah,

993
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,360
so your daughter, like, yeah, your only child daughter. It's

994
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:45,280
just it was a odd thing.
We never really got much info about the

995
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,880
father in this scenario. I was
very happy. I was worried they're gonna

996
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,840
make Nick Cage the dad, and
I didn't want them to go that route

997
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:57,000
because I feel like that's always like
a just an easy just lever to poll

998
00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:00,639
in these horror movies as all.
But they still kind of, I guess

999
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,280
I didn't want that. But then
they still just made the other killer her

1000
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,199
parents, So they still kind of
did what I didn't want, but they

1001
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:07,679
did it in a different way that
I think I was still fine with as

1002
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:10,000
far as, oh well, it
wasn't that she's been a killer this whole

1003
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:14,039
time. She got of got forced
into it by Nick Cage. She's still

1004
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:15,559
you know, made the deal.
So it's still again, kids out there,

1005
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,719
if it's death or making deal,
the devil always pick death, you

1006
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,920
know the deal. The devil not
gonna get you anywhere. Good. Yeah,

1007
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,800
it's good. That's a lifetime agreement
of uh, because when does it

1008
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,400
end? I guess when the cycle
ends? And then you're yeah, it's

1009
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,719
eternal damnation. Well, I think
you only go to hell you break the

1010
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,360
rules, right, I think,
but if you die, you can't fulfill

1011
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,320
the rules anymore, right, true. So I imagine her mom's burning up

1012
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:44,880
big time. Oh yeah, this
Nick Cage though, because he died before

1013
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:49,000
they at some point he's like it's
flowing like hot laugh or something like that.

1014
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,679
Yeah, Nick Cage is going to
whatever heaven Hell has. Sure Hell

1015
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,400
has there on heaven level, I
guess, but he died before it was

1016
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:00,880
complete, which that was a that
was odd where we spent to me in

1017
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,000
that first act A little bit second
sometime on scenes, I was thought,

1018
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:07,039
oh, we could be done here. But then when they're like, well

1019
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:10,119
we gotta she gets a photo of
them, she gives it to the chief

1020
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:12,800
and oh, well this is the
guy. He's like you sure you want

1021
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,320
to do a manager. She's like
yeah. Next scene, they just get

1022
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,440
him. There's no like, he's
just on the road. I don't even

1023
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,039
know how they get there. Especially
in the nineties, it's like and then

1024
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:22,760
he just hands like that was a
scene cut there. It seemed like a

1025
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:27,000
weird transition. Yeah, that was
one where I was like I needed I'd

1026
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:30,079
like a little bit more there.
Maybe the scene is just literally, hey,

1027
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:31,280
someone in this neighborhood, saity,
he's going that way. So maybe

1028
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,199
it is an anti climactic so it's
not a big negative or anything like that.

1029
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,159
But uh, yeah, something that
I thought about in that second.

1030
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:43,199
But yeah, they catch him,
and again I like all the police stuff.

1031
01:00:43,239 --> 01:00:47,480
I like the acting from Lee there
as well in those moments, especially

1032
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:52,679
when he does splatter his head and
everything. So good stuff. I think

1033
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:57,320
that's all for me. Are you
there anything else? No? I can't

1034
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,679
think of anything. Yeah, okay, so yeah, yeah, don't file

1035
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,960
thoughts and a rating on this.
We wanna drop one. Yeah, I

1036
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:09,159
think I'm gonna go six point five
for this. I'm unlike you. I'm

1037
01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:13,760
not really compelled to go back and
watch this though. I mean we definitely

1038
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,239
brought up some things that's like,
okay, this would be interesting to see.

1039
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,559
Like one thing I'm curious about actually
is if if we go back to

1040
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:22,000
the mom's house early in the movie, can we see the car, can

1041
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:25,320
we see evidence of like that car
peeking out from behind the cloth I got

1042
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,360
there? There could be some fun
little easter eggs I guess to see on

1043
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,079
a second run through. But yeah, overall, a little disappointed by this,

1044
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:36,639
but it still did some bold thing, some really great cinematography and lighting.

1045
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:38,679
I think that's like, to me, the big takeaway from this is,

1046
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:40,760
like, you know, Golden Geek's
time, like this is gonna be

1047
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:44,800
the best visuals for me, I
think, just because absolutely everything they were

1048
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,880
doing there. So yeah, good
time, glad, I glad I saw

1049
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,719
it. And uh it's fun,
fun discussion with you guys as always.

1050
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:59,199
Yeah, mister film, I am
gonna drop a nice warm eight out of

1051
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:06,679
ten on right out of the oven. Yeah, okay, no, yeah,

1052
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,320
I'm I'm happy with this movie.
I really really am. Of course,

1053
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,880
like I said at the start,
there are some slow points that can

1054
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,800
really drag off for a little bit. But other than that, I think

1055
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,280
nick Age was great. I like
the investigation part of part of this.

1056
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,119
I like to had this well culled
paranormal kind of vibe to it, and

1057
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:25,960
of course not like ghosts left,
right and center, but it's still something

1058
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,119
kind of looming and uncomfortable in the
background. I like that she was psychic

1059
01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:37,519
and how it tied into things too. But there's definitely issues and storytelling kind

1060
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:40,280
of problems that we've discussed here,
and I guess we'll need more clarification.

1061
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:46,119
And at the end of the day, though, I'm glad that they I'm

1062
01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:52,199
glad that they were able to give
us a freaky villain, but not just

1063
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:54,079
have us, oh, well,
what's his backstory? We're wanting his backstory.

1064
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:57,239
They gave us a villain where we
can just accept him for what he

1065
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,320
is, and we don't need to
necessarily know what his upbringing was or what

1066
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:05,199
his background was. We just need
to know a little bit more about how

1067
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,480
his abilities work, I guess,
and his end some of his motives.

1068
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:14,199
I would have liked to have known
why he is picking the people born on

1069
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:16,079
the fourteenth of any month. Of
course, I just have to assume it's

1070
01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:20,320
the symbolism because they got to be
able to draw triangles right of their their

1071
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,480
on their calendar. So that's that's
what it comes down to. So all

1072
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:27,880
in all, I'm excited to rewatch
it. I'm excited to see, like

1073
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,599
you guys have said, what you
might miss on the first watch through,

1074
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,480
and if that car is there,
Dylan, that's what I'm gonna be looking

1075
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:37,960
out for. That's that's pretty crazy. And see how many times that the

1076
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:44,239
demon pops up in the in the
shadows behind people as well. But all

1077
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,000
in all, I think it's it's
a good movie and I look forward to

1078
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,199
rewatching it. Yeah, I no, Like I said, I don't know

1079
01:03:50,239 --> 01:03:54,000
where my score is because it's something
where I definitely it's not a ten right

1080
01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:57,639
now. But that's something where Hereditary
wasn't a ten for me. An I

1081
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:00,360
think, let's not a watchh it. I gave it that or like nearly

1082
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,039
perfect one where I'm interested to like, let this fester a little bit,

1083
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:09,440
talk to some people, maybe watch
some things, and then watch it over

1084
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:12,480
again. But I don't know if
it'll ever go to that rup. But

1085
01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:14,800
like I said, I didn't think
it Hereditary would. And then I said,

1086
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,320
and that's another movie. I would
compare it to a little bit where

1087
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:23,039
Hereditary. That's the difference though where
I guess Heretary is more outwardly supernatural.

1088
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:25,400
But I feel like just some stuff
at the end felt similar. I would

1089
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,960
compare it to Signs and Lambs.
Oh there was another one I would have

1090
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,800
compared it to as well, Oh
Sinister. Me and Tayo talked about that

1091
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,360
with Sinister, but Sinister the same
thing right away that's like, hey,

1092
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:39,119
this is ghost story yeah, no, but it's just like right away,

1093
01:04:39,159 --> 01:04:41,559
you know this is supernatural. It
starts like, okay, it's a conjuring

1094
01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:44,480
where you know, we're dealing with
possession and stuff like that. Right where

1095
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,559
this uh yeah, I don't know, because throughout this whole review, I

1096
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:53,039
have been back and forth between like
a nine point five to an eight point

1097
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:55,960
five or two eight. So I
feel I'll do the classic and go in

1098
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,760
the middle of an eight point five. Some of that scores almost like what

1099
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,559
I did with I didn't review it
on air, but like Kinds of Kindness,

1100
01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:06,880
where you know, I had some
story issues, but the filmmaking behind

1101
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,880
it up takes it a little bit. And that's where I think for a

1102
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,000
lot of the portions, if I
have problems, but there's things where it

1103
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:17,519
just looks great or it's you know, I love the sounds, or I

1104
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:20,760
love things going on with imagery as
far as Nick Cage and some of that

1105
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:26,159
stuff. So and yeah, for
me, it is like like what a

1106
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:29,199
year we got to see this to
Taylor where it's like you got awesome Butler

1107
01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:32,280
and Dune, you got Hemsworth and
Furio, so you got the guy from

1108
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,599
Plant the Apes, And now for
me, this year, and I can

1109
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:39,079
other than I think plan the apes, I can make a case for all

1110
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:43,480
of them winning. Like I legitually
do think Nick Cage is fantastic this and

1111
01:05:43,519 --> 01:05:45,360
he scared me. He's gonna be
in my nightmares later on tonight, I

1112
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,800
asked me if I want a doll
or something, So that alone is up

1113
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,760
there really good. So yeah,
I want to rewatch as I'm excited to

1114
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:56,320
talk about this again in February for
certain aspects, but then I'll probably have

1115
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,679
a more you know, sat down
things. So, like I said,

1116
01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:01,519
I'll go with an eight point five
for now, even saying that, it

1117
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:06,800
feels like it's like like I want
to get to that like nine. It's

1118
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:11,440
tough, like I'm somewhere there,
but I need some more time with this

1119
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,639
one. But I'm definitely on the
higher spectrum of it. So yeah,

1120
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,679
no, I'm But also I will
say, and that's one thing when I

1121
01:06:17,719 --> 01:06:21,199
said I want to rewatch, it
wasn't expecting to twist. I did think

1122
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,880
from these trailers how hyped I got. I thought it was gonna be like

1123
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,320
with the Bolt in my top three
for the year, and it's not.

1124
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:30,079
So I will say, there is
like a bit of still underwhelming, and

1125
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:31,880
that's why I credited the team.
My non spoiled was a great job with

1126
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,360
the trailer. On marketing, I
think this is like, if whoever did

1127
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,119
this for people that are doing horror
movies or even some combook movies that reveal

1128
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:43,320
too much, watch this marketing.
Go get this team and be like,

1129
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,920
hey, market our movie because I
think they built anticipation and they didn't give

1130
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,480
a bunch of stuff away. You
know, whether you liked it or not,

1131
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,480
it's there's tons of scenes that aren't
in the trade that are in this

1132
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:55,360
movie, and I think that's a
good thing. So shout to them for

1133
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:58,760
me thinking like all, this almost
has to be a ten out of ten

1134
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,239
in my top three for the and
it wasn't. And I'm being like,

1135
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,960
oh man, it's only like top
fifteen, top ten. What a bummer.

1136
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,840
But that's still really good. So
that's why I need some space with

1137
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:12,679
this one. So yeah, we'll
be back next week. There's lots of

1138
01:07:12,679 --> 01:07:15,280
retrospectives dropping and everything like that,
But our next review, I guess really

1139
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,480
is gonna be like obviously got FETEO
game reviews and TV shows, but our

1140
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:23,320
next move review boys is gonna be
dead Pool Wolverine, which is crazy.

1141
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,239
You know, we've got twisters.
I might right, Sorry, you guys

1142
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:30,519
got twisters. Kirkland's getting de Light
for two, so you might hear from

1143
01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:32,760
Kirkland and Taylor for Twisters that at
the next you know, Collective one.

1144
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,519
We got Deadpool Wolverine, so that's
gonna be quite a different experience. Maybe

1145
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:42,239
nic Cage will pop up as ghostwriter
Taylor, Oh, it's very possible,

1146
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,239
or pop up his long Legs.
Well, I fucking love it in the

1147
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,440
multiverse. I want to I want
to see a movie long Legs would be

1148
01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:54,880
highly confused about. That's who they
replace Kang first to figure out what the

1149
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,400
hell is going on there. Yeah, that's who. They replaced Kang with

1150
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,639
his long legs and he has this
whole thing. It gives to venture a

1151
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:03,920
doll. Yeah, I need I
also need to see long Legs and uh,

1152
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:08,280
what's my boy Gabriel. I need
to see them have a conversation,

1153
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,639
you know, I want to see
what's going on there. So but ladies,

1154
01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:15,679
gentlemen, uh, we'll be back
as usual next week. Thank you

1155
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,039
very much for tuning in, and
we promise next time here for us,

1156
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:18,479
we'll not be boring Yeah.