Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the six hundred and twenty third
episode of the Geek First Podcast. I'm the clown Prince of Legs Tress Now,
and I'm joined by I am mister Downstairs Dylan Musk. I am the
psychic Taylor Field. Yes, slaves and gentlemen, we are here. You
wouldn't guess by those nicknames. I imagine see move on here for Long Legs.
A movie that funny enough I have to go back, but I feel
like it was only on our radar when we did our twenty twenty four preview,
and I think it was just because like, oh, Nicholas Cages playing
a serial killer, and we like Nicholas Cage. We thought all that could
be fun, but it transformed into something much more because I think these trailers.
We didn't even have this on the calendar till about two weeks ago,
but I think we were all okay, so seeing these trailers, we're getting
really excited. So that's what we're here to do. We are going to
review Long Legs. So as usual, maybe this is a movie that you
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So, mister Muss, what did you think of Long Legs? Long Legs?
Yeah, so pretty hyped off this one from the trailers, but still
because of the trailers and how I feel like they were pretty obscure, so
going and I didn't really know what to expect, and watching the trailers,
like I could never hear that voice as Nick Cage, so I kind of
kept forgetting that he was in this. This is definitely gonna be a review
that I need the discussion for to see where you're gonna end up on it.
I need to ruminate on it. I need to talk to some talk
about some things with you guys. But honestly, my off the cuff take
is that I thought this was a pretty weak film, and I'm kind of
surprised to see what seems like like a huge praise for it. People think
it's really scary to me, honestly, there's only one scare, and it
was like a jump scare, which you know, it's cheap tricks. I
jump scare. You know it gets the body flowing, So I like them
from that perspective, but I didn't feel like otherwise it was a very scary.
This might be controversial. I think Nick Cage was very miscast for this
role. To be honest, I think it actually took me out of it
a lot. I didn't really like the kind of serial killer investigation part.
I thought that was pretty basic, and then some of the reveals near the
end, like they're all right. But I feel like movies like this are
best when they leave you with some questions that are things that you kind of
have to decide for yourself. But I feel like this very much tells you
exactly what's going on, and it's like it's all right, but it's nothing
that inventive or compelling. So I don't know. I'm left pretty disappointed.
But maybe I'm missing some pieces of the puzzle and you guys can help fill
those in for me. But yeah, it's hard for me to throw a
recommendation last one because it from the little chatter I've seen, it seems like
I'm kind of on the outs with that take of not really liking it that
much. I mean, I think like aesthetically and as a horror movie goes
like it's got good visuals and whatnot, But I didn't really have that suspense
I suppose, so yeah, pretty pretty weak one for me, unfortunately,
and kind of came out of nowhere. I was expecting some some longer legs
on it, to be honest, but short, short, little legs for
me, a little toddler legs. They got to call the sequel that longer
legs, you know, that's what it has to be. More extended legs.
Yeah, I'll usually I don't I'll go last, but I'll go next
because I'm not gonna say I'm the complete opposite of Dylan, but I have
some like takes that are the reverse of when you said the end and they
explained too much. I was like, I was happy it did because I
was like, I need a lot of I need an exposition dump and I
did get that, and I was happy with that. I was like,
I I I do like some things up to interpretation, but there there's a
lot in this where I'm like, Okay, I need I need some hand
holding right now, just to see what's going on. And then on the
very positive side, I fucking love Nick Cage in this movie. Man,
like I. He is so good. I don't want to talk too much
about until we get to spoilers because they they hit him in marketing and I
think I'll just say it's a smart choice and just I don't even want to
say that. I just very there's particular scenes. I really like a lot
of the choices, what they do with his look and what they do with
the character wise, So yeah, for me, that's that's all. Aces
that's something He's probably my favorite thing about this movie. I dare say it
might be like his best performance like thirty Years for me, like legitimately,
Oh yeah, ah, it's tough because he was really good in dream Scenario
also, that was really good. But yeah, there's there's something off because
I think it's it's when you can achieve many times for me to forget it's
Nick Cage. Not that I totally forgot, but I could lose myself on
the role. It's like, okay, and I didn't think I could do
that with Nick Cage anymore. I thought he was past that point where I'm
always gonna see him, and I think they did a great job there.
Yeah, this movie, it's it's on the same thing as Dylan, but
I think I'm more extensive as far as I think I need another watch as
well for me, because I definitely thought one thing going in, and I
even rewatched some of the trailers and I was like, I guess, now
that I have the context of certain things, maybe I should have picked up
on a little bit more. But I think the trailers in market and I
did a very good job because I think not that it's not saying it's a
bad movie or anything like that, but I just feel like they did a
good job of withholding something's like na Cage, like certain elements of the movie
and even stuff to like the pacing and the paces. This is at times
a very slow movie. It takes its time, and it's not a long
movie either. It's just over our and a half or something. I think
like that, like it's not a super long movie. But this was not
was what I was expecting, and I definitely need another watch. I don't
know if it's like one of the most scary movies or anything like that.
I need to sit down and make a list like Clay ass Matty in our
discord, which you know, go join that in the link down below.
But yeah, I think there's definitely some really good unsettling moments. I think
there's some good tension building moments. But yeah, I think I'm just still
kind of trying to cope with what the movie actually was. But visually,
I really like it. I think there's some really good shots, some really
good scares, as far as it's just things they do at the camera.
I like the visuals with just certain dimensions of the film and certain color grading,
and so I like all the technical stuff. Acting wise, I like
Nikage. I like oh god, I never know how to pronounce her first
name. But I like Monroe a lot. She's great. She's a Again
that also is not what I was expecting either from the trailers. Her performance
is quite different. I was not thinking we're gonna go the route we did
with her, and she's just like already cement to herself as a screaming queen.
But again, this is a really good performance. So yeah, I
think that I'm I'm ready to talk about it, but I definitely think my
score at the end is definitely a asterisk TBD, and my more score will
be solid when we get to next February. For if we talk about this
in Golden Geeks, because I definitely I think it is a movie that requires
some aspect of a rewatch. So yeah, I'm not sure how I feel
about this. Overall, I would recommend it. I think if you're a
horror fan, you'll like this. I think there is some good scares in
here. I think there is. It just feels it's more unsettling than it
is. It feels like you're always on pins and needles and you kind of
have like a stomach turning sort of thing. There's a couple jump scares,
but I don't think they go overboard, which is nice. I was worried
at the beginning. I thought, oh man, this is what's gonna be,
But no I did. Overall, it sounds weird because I did enjoy
this. I definitely passed it. I'd say the grade is like a higher
grade, but I need some time to process what I saw here. But
I will respect it for being an interesting movie and taking some some different leaps,
i'd say, And it's definitely not a pay by Numbers horror movie,
I'd say, so that would be my thoughts. Tare Field, Yeah,
I was not able to really decipher what this movie is gonna be from the
trailers. So it's and I think that's great. I like when a movie
does that, and so when you get into what the story is and how
things unravel. But the trailer was being very kind of cut up and transitioning
all over the place. I like, how, okay, we actually have
a a cohesive kind of narrative here, and you kind of click in and
I'm glad that. While watching it, I feel like, Okay, things
kind of fit into place, and I'm trying to look into what's going on
in the background of this film, because there's certain things that kind of appear
or you notice the odd thing, and I like that. And I don't
think this is scary beyond all comprehension. I think this movie the deck.
Yeah, it's not going to go that far. But there's definitely some moments
where you're like, oh shit, like oh like it'll it'll get shit real
quick, and interesting transitions to that they have. But overall, I actually
really enjoyed the movie. I liked the the the basic narrative and the investigation
stuff, and there are some slow moments and that can definitely pull you out
of it a little bit, but I think it was It was a really
really intense film, and every time Nick Cage, his character is there,
it's like you just you feel uneasy. And and you said, you said
this charts we're talking in the car that people will kind of like laugh,
but you say, oh, it's like a nervous laugh, and I so
I agree with that wholehearted. Yeah, there's he's a weirdo, and I
feel like there's that there's some of that where it's just like, oh my
goodness, like what like if this character will approach you, you just kind
of chuckle. But then it's a kind of take some bad turns. So
yeah, anything else non spoiler wise, because I feel like I said this
already in the discord Maat, I feel like this is a movie for me
that's hard to talk about non spoilers. So I don't even want to compare
it to certain movies because I think the second you say, oh, it's
like this movie, it kind of gives some aspects of it away. So
yeah, other than like everyone's like it's signs of the Lambs, which it
is, but I even think that is a dangerous comparison in my mind.
There's definitely aspects of female Detective serial Killer, Smaller Town nineties. Yes,
it hits those beats, but I as a science of the Lambs, big
fan, I would not completely. I feel like people have compared like a
one to one, like it's this generation science of the Lambs. I don't
think it is, because sense I don't know about that. No, but
that's what a lot of people say, right, because even the magisthon and
discourse like oh like sounds lambs, Like yeah, that's what everyone's saying.
It's like, there's aspects to get it, but all right, we're gonna
take our ad breaks. So we've not seen this movie tearor I guess would
you recommend it? I would recommend it for sure. I don't know if
you have to rush to the theaters to see it like theatrically because it's I
don't know if it has any like big screen bewilderments that you know you're gonna
like the sound I think is nice to have on the big screen, like
oh yeah, not of course, like yeah, the jump scares, but
just like in general, like there's that the show us in the tread but
there's like a knock at the door that is like really well done. It
comes out of nowhere and it's like, okay, so I like the sound
of it. But okay, so we got some recommendation, a non recommendation,
a recommendation at home, So as I think you as you can see,
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oh boy, where where do we want to start with this one?
Oh? I'll throw a softball at you, Travis, because you brought this
up in the in your non spoilers. What is it that you feel like
you need to rewatch to figure out or decide or is it something that you
don't feel like you don't understand? Like I'm curious why you know, because
I felt at the end of this like, oh I have no questions.
It all made perfect sense given what they told them here. That's good because
I got a question for you for sure, two questions, and that's where
you can help me with. I think it's more so not because the movie
goes big mystery, something's revealed, and then there is an exposition up right,
there's a whole narration by one of the killers of what's going on and
what's happened for like the past twenty thirty years whatever. Right, So that's
all the stuff that I understood for me why I was not in allow like
a disliking it, but I had to disengage and think about it. Was
I I went back tonight and I watched some trailers and there's definitely signs of
it, and I guess I feel the character is psychic. But for some
reason, I did not think we were gonna get as supernatural as we did.
So I was going in this with this, this is gonna be a
straight serial killer. Especially that's when I brought sound sim that's been all since
the festivals. Oh, it's the cineration Silence Lambs. That is a peer
just crime movie. It's girl versus guy, serial killer adducting girls. Here
we go and the first act of this movie is that other than her being
psychic, and I just thought there's some movies that do that where there's a
character that's kind of touched and you don't know, do they have good luck.
Is it their senses? Is it something else out there? Like for
me, the shining? I don't know, Dylan, have you ever seen
the shining before? I've not Actually sorry, I've seen the shining, but
I've not seen sounds of the lambside. Okay, so yeah, the shining.
Like until they get to the hotel, they talk about Danny because he
has a shining, but they think of it as like a mental illness,
right, And that's what I kind of thought they were doing here. So
it's like, Okay, that's the most we're getting. But by the end
of this movie, we're into possession, We're into the devil being around,
We're into demons. So that's where I need to rewatch. As far as
I was throwing for a loop because when they actually get to this house and
they're talking about, oh yeah, here's this doll and here's this like metal
orb that has like brain satanic powers, I was like, this kind of
through me for a loop. I was not expecting to go that route.
And then the trailers, they have some things, but not enough where I
feel like you could just go, oh, this is just a creepy guy.
Especially, I feel like it's set up of like, well, he
kills these families and we don't know how, like we've seen that happen so
many times. Then I saw, right, oh, you figure it out
because X, Y, and Z. So that's where it's not so much
the mystery. It's that's where I was not expecting this level of height and
horror and the fact that we got it. That's where I need to go
back and watch it from the beginning. And I think there's little stuff with
like the reveal of Nick Cage's in the basement below her family home, So
I think there's stuff like could you pick up on little things like that?
So I think those are the aspects for me that I got to go back
and see how I really feel about it because I was on the full track
of it's a straight serial killer movie. Yeah, the trailers other than like,
yeah, the kind of serial killer leaving their signs, I feel like
they were hyping up this idea of like a parallel world type thing. There's
a lot of shots that was like showing Micah's character and then Nick Cage and
like the screaming in the car, But like in the movie, there's no
that that has nothing to do with the story at all, Like that was
just a fun marketing thing and that's where I thought maybe there would be some
supernaturally stuff, but that ended up not being the case. But yeah,
I think for me, like the devil demon stuff like that kind of takes
away the fun questions because to me, like I don't I have no question
about her being a psychic or people with this mind control stuff. Cau's like,
oh, it's the devil doing it. And I think a lot of
other movies would do a lot of this similar stuff, but it would be
ambiguous enough where it's like, Okay, is the devil actually doing it or
are people just thinking that and it's controlling them? But to me, in
my mind, there's no question that's like, oh yeah, the devil can
like mind control people or like make them do things, and that's it through
like these orbs, I guess, and that's it's it's not really that fun
for me to think about it unless I'm you guys, feel like I'm missing
something. But to me, there's no ambiguity, like there's no way there
isn't a devil controlling people in this movie. And then that kind of writes
away any potential plot holes or character questions just as oh, yeah, the
devil's controlling them in some way. So there you go, and that's fair.
I think I agree with you that I could have liked it if they
held back on that a bit. I needed the more explanation, I guess
I should clarify of how did Nick Cage get involved with the family. That's
what I needed, because I thought for a second we weren't gonna get like
much explanation because Nick Cage, you know, the pass away dies of a
very terrible depth, and then like there's a lot of things that happen,
and we I was worried we're gonna go away from the Nick Cage character.
So I'll specifically say that I wanted his connection with our main character and the
mother we explained. I still would have been fine with the devil stuff.
But then they I think they take a hard right into Yeah, it's full
on. I said this to it. It's like a conjuring movie. At
the end of it, it is, Yeah, they you may as well
have the Warrens there trying to possess one of these dolls, you know,
didn't they explain how the how Nick Cage's character was basically aligned with the family
because I thought at the end through all that dialogue that he was doing his
murderous adventure I guess, and he's been killing families, and so this was
just the latest family, right, and so a mom just pleaded and made
a deal with him, like, hey, I will do I will work
with you if you spare us. I thought that was the that was just
the whole backstory, just of it, right. Yeah, but I'm saying
they I'm glad they did that that. Oh okay. I was worried for
a bit they were going to leave that ambiguous. And I'm with Dylan where
I could have taken the killings and the house stuff if they want to leave
the ambiguous, that maybe could have made the movie better. But his connection
with the family, I needed that crystal clear of like, Okay, how
does this connect because it's I was saying this to Taylor where Dylan, why
do you think she's an FBI agent? Like is it just coincidence or not?
And that's something where they don't go into clearly he's doing these things to
like create a message, and it seems like that message is well, it's
clearly for her because then he actually goes into her house and leaves a message
there. Mm hmmm. So I guess maybe he's kind of been like puppet
mastering things like I don't know, putting thoughts in her mom's head which led
her down this path or something like that. Yeah, but then why does
he need her to be that? Like, what is it achieve? Because
he's everything still happens, right, I don't really feel like there is a
reason because one thing that I found interesting at the start of this movie,
there's a scene where the the police department chief whatever, he's telling the people,
Okay, you're gonna go door to door, We're gonna try and find
this guy. And he's like, it's not like the movies. People.
And then there's a scene a few scenes later when she's talking when Mike is
talking to the daughter of the chief, and she's like, oh, yeah,
I was gonna be an actor, but then I went and did this
other thing, and so I'm like, this is kind of interesting. We're
doing like multiple kind of commenting on this being a movie and actors stuff,
and I thought that was gonna be like some fourth while element, and then
it never came up again. And also, weirdly, I don't know if
it's me, just me. But when that happens in moves, when people
talk about like being actors or when people say like, oh, it's just
like the movies, I feel like that takes me out of it, Like
it just takes me out of the immersion. It makes me think, makes
me it reminds me that I'm watching a movie. And so just when it
actually doesn't do anything for the plot whatsoever, I don't understand why her being
an actor has anything to do with it. So it was weird that there
was two kind of moments like that, but then you know, it wasn't
really turned into anything. It was just I guess coincidence those two lines of
dialogue. The only time I'm fine with it is if it's like a Lalla
Land where there the script is they're trying to be an actor and I want
to be an actor because the same thing I thought about that when she's like
I want to be an actress, it's like, well, you are an
actress, And that's where I was trying to figure out was and they could
have picked any job, but did she want to be an actress? And
then when they you know, meet long Legs, has that change because like
I said, I just don't know. Is it there is a mission for
being an FBI agent. If there is, I don't know what that is
because I feel like they achieve all their goals of anything she gets in the
way because she's kind of stops the thing. I don't know. I think
the movie leads that ambiguous of if she's going to leave the house or not,
because she's saying let's go, but she's not moving. So I think
they're trying. I do like that as any because they're almost insinuating, like
she might kill that little girl, you know, like that. I guess
the part of it is like if we believe the triangle theory that she was
devising, like that was the last date, so maybe we could see it
as like that was the closing of this circle, like this act of the
devil had like this whole grand plan to do like just this many killings with
this group, and then presumably this devil also controlling people over in like Canada,
you know, like just random different parts all over the world. There's
different things going on that are connected to it. So yeah, I don't
know, maybe that's part of it is that that was kind of why I
was leading towards that, so she would be the one to get him killed,
which maybe one where the other would lead to the mom dying and that
would kind of close off that storyline. Yeah, I mean we don't ever
see really the devil's perspective. It's not like the novel's not really he's just
a concept. And yeah, I guess that one's to me, Like I
guess the thing is with some of the killings, like where a lot of
it is like, oh yeah, thirty years ago there was this killing in
this city and we're getting stuff, but like there's not a lot of evidence.
They can't track much evidence, and I think at that point it's like,
Okay, there could be something weird going on here where like maybe he
still did these killings, but he's just really good about hiding the evidence.
But yeah, we have the family at the end, and we see this
police chief that we've gotten to know and he's clearly possessed and not acting correct
that it's like, okay, well, now any sort of that ambiguity that
could have been there is kind of removed now, Like the lady who is
in the psyche hospital and jumped off the roof like that I could believe that
that isn't an act of God, like she you know, just felt that
way because she had a pretty traumatic life. But when we see the police
chief, you know, being a murderer, that's like, okay, well,
I guess clearly the devil is mind controlling him and there's nothing more to
it. Yeah, it's almost like if you would have and I don't know
if you would do that because they I think clearly they the writer and directors,
they wanted to go the supernatural, right like with that third act.
If you didn't want to, you could have done the thing where she got
there too lay and that family's dead, and then you go, okay,
what is like, did was it a possession? Is what's happening? But
they do show their hands and that's where for me, that's where I need
to I want to watch the first act and stuff again, watching knowing okay,
this is just a supernatural movie. Do I feel better or worse about
that? When I know that from the get go? You know, yeah,
yeah, I think I would have less beef with the movie. Over
rolf. I actually found it scary because it's like, okay, well I
got my horror experience. But when the plot is kind of uninteresting, like
like there are things I like the idea of him being this doll maker that
lives in the basement of the main character's house and he makes these dolls and
then the mom goes to these houses and sets them there, and then like
this weird gem in the head is controlling people, giving them weird thoughts.
Even the doctor like that. That stuff is fun, to be clear,
But yeah, I think I think it just needs a little bit more pizaz
with like the the ending of it perhaps, And I will mention this before
I forget it. I had an outer body experience in this movie at the
beginning of this body or out of body, out of both something with the
body when they are doing that walk about, which I did. Like that
scene many knocks and first indoor opens just shoots the guy, right. I
enjoyed that. That was good. Yeah, that I've been to that location
just checked. They filmed a Vancouver. My grandmother owned a home in that
area. Crazy because when they pulled up and there's the there's a visitor thing
right there, I'm like, that looks so similar. And the walkway is
the exact same way where it's a straight and arrow to the door and it's
around house. The inside different location that was not the same house, but
the outside it was crazy Vancouver. I was thinking, yeah, and I
looked at him like, oh my god, like I've been there. I've
been in that exact fucking spot where they parked, and it's it's nuts because
I remember too. What caught me off was those weird roofs. They're jagged,
and yeah, it's I can't remember where exactly. I have to ask
my dad and get the because I'm seeing him to more on tell them like,
yeah, where my grandma used to own a place? So cool?
It was there, so and that rarely happens in the movies. Like last
year that happened when I watched a movie that was like, oh, it's
from Colonne and they show on the boardwalk. But it's like, yeah,
that's like, if you're gonna shoot a movie in Coloni, you're probably gonna
shoot it downtown on the boardwalk. Like that's the most that I would remember.
But this was just like a random Oh, just houses, and it's
like, oh my god, I've been. I've been where long Legs was
or whatever. That was the guy experience where one of the kills in Final
Destination three is like a block from where I live right now. Oh yeah,
I'm seeing it, and I was like, that looks so familiar,
and going to watch the movie and then once again it being a completely different
building when it is in the movie. It's it's funny when that happens.
Mm hmm. Yeah. Good stuff there. And the best thing with the
FBI thing, I would liked more clarification on that of if it was something
they really needed or it was just luck because I don't know there. And
the second thing that I maybe need I think is a third thing too.
What did you think the significance was? Because me and they were talking about
this when they shoot that doll, when the mom shoots the doll in front
of her and then she just wakes up in a bed, what's the significance
of that when she shoots the doll? So remember it's the Yeah, the
agent's there, she kills the agents. Seems to be some connectivity between I.
I don't really. I guess it doesn't really make sense to me.
That's one thing I have a question about because every other family presumably that has
got one of these dolls, the doll was just there for like I don't
know, even days before, even moments, I guess, because oftentimes it
seems like the dad instantly goes and like kills the family. So there's not
really like this big bond formed between the daughter of the family and the doll
other than the fact that they look the same. Yeah, So I guess
there's some sort of entanglement between them, but I don't know. I don't
really know how meaningful. I guess, Yeah, I don't have a theory
for that one. In particular, that is because we don't really see another
example of that in the movie other than like the little girl at the end
being fascinated with the doll. But then even then, when like Micah's pulling
her away, she doesn't seem to object. Yeah, and then the movie
cuts and that's like the end of it. So we don't really know if
she would have long term effects of being attached to that doll or something.
And that's where so, like Taylor, we talk about the card, do
you have any theories now as far as because I like they shoot the do
any of that exposition dump? So I thought, Okay, part of it's
like this doll maybe was holding back some memories for our main characters. I'm
like, Okay, I can go with that, but at the same time,
like what does it truly do? And I don't know again if that
ties into if it holds back her memories, maybe it guys or to be
an FBI agent. But I didn't feel like in the movie she's like being
she's possessed or doing things she doesn't want to do. Right, So well,
there were times where I was thinking, like, Okay, is she
really seeing these things like let's say long legs going inside of her house that
Okay, is this really happening there? Or when it's on the outside,
just chilling out there in the yards, long legs sitting there. Yeah,
so I have to wonder like, Okay, is is she creating these pieces
of evidence for herself and like creating this the scenario for herself. But I
think though when we talked about I mean you mentioned already the fact that she
just starts getting to remember all these things, you get that exposition on basically
her whole childhood. I feel like that what was rewarded to her after the
dolls had exploded, and that's what her mom was trying to give her.
Ah, So what does mom want to give her that, like I guess,
just because she's still her mom. But then she just like I thought
it was a bold move too. I guess, like if Dylan said,
if they want to be completed, they're good. But if they still want
these killings to continue, bold move not to uh handcuff the daughter or tire
up because she might come and stop this last occurrence with the police chief.
I think what might be happening a little bit is like the clearly these orbs
that are like the brain as they call them, in the head, it's
clearly some like metal from hell, you know, like that's not that's something
funky's going on because there's nothing inside of it, but it's emitting sound and
frequencies. And maybe that's the thing that is giving her a connection with the
devil, which is where her like psychic nature comes from. Like that's what
gives her this extra sense or something. So maybe when that's shot, it's
severing that which is like this thing in her brain, so it knocks her
out, and then after that point we don't really see anything. I would
indicate that she still has your psychic powers. We don't see the otherwise the
opposite. I suppose either because that's like goes right into the very finalite of
the movie. Yeah, but maybe that was like severing that connection. I
don't know, not like she was doing anything satanic though, so I don't
really know. I don't know what's going on there exactly. M hmm.
Yeah. No, that's something that I'm interested to hear other people's kind of
theories about. And that's why again I want to rewatch certain aspects and see.
Yeah, I don't mind the psychic connections being I guess based upon the
devil. I'm sure maybe the devil might give you some benefits and whatnot.
But yeah, I just that still was a strange scene for me where she
shoots that doll, wakes up and goes right to the birthday party and everything.
But at least I like that they set the birthday party up pretty early
in the movie, so it felt like a natural occurrence to me. Of
like when they said, I was like, oh, right, that she's
daughter's birthdays coming up. That's gonna be a terrible situation. And it was.
So there's the effect dude, like the devil was calling her up on
the phone and then it's like you're late for the birthday, right, the
Devil's like, hey, you need to get over there. So I don't
know, maybe you need a little bit more context, like what this grand
plan is, Like they yeah, yeah, and even then like, well
if because if the if the deaths don't occur, then both the daughter my
agenda and her mom are going to burn in hell forever. That's how the
deal works. And so she so this is what the devil's saying, right,
the devil said, could be a liar, you know. I'm gonna
say, I think that's a truthful thing, though. I mean, if
the devils saying you're gonna burn in hell, I mean I if you're a
good person, he can just decide that. Like, I feel like there
could be some tom foolery there from the devil. He told the mom,
and the mom's not a good person. The mum's putting demon dolls in homes.
Yeah, she could have been a good or she I guess she would
just died, you know. But I think it's almost more like a deal
with the devil in the sense of I don't think if he killed that first
night in Long Legs meets him, I don't think if he kills the mom
and the daughter they're going to hell. But I think once that the deal,
well they're no, if he kills them, they're not going to hell.
But they didn't want to be killed, so they're like, Okay,
he'll keep us alive, keep us alive. It's like, okay, well
if you want to keep stay alive here. Yeah, as you said,
here's the deal. If you break this deal now, then you're gonna go
to hell forever. Yeah, yeahda YadA. But still it's just it is
peculiar. Why the demon just hopped on the phone and it was just like,
hey, you're late for the birthday party. Although I like that scene
when she's trying to get to the phone and you see the demon shadow in
the background behind her. That was pretty cool. M there's a few times,
even watching rewatching the trailer, it's funny they had that shot of long
Legs sitting outside, like when it's the be in the movie and he's at
her house and she looks outside and he's just sitting on the ground. In
the trailer, you minorly can see like the silhouette of the devil by him.
So now when I'm watching, like, oh man, because now I
know what to look out for. But they do have the silhouette of the
devil a couple times, so I do appreciate that, and I really liked
you know, we have a similar scare. I like these type of scares
where it's the main character and the other cop is showing up and they're gonna
bring the mum in for questioning, and then she leaves her in the car,
and then when they go back to the car, the mom is just
standing behind her, but she's like a similar color to the backdrop, so
you see her, but I don't see her. And then she moves like
all that's good stuff and brew it away for that cop to go on.
Yeah, there's a few of those shots too where you're looking for something there
isn't actionating there too. Yeah, they do a good job of mixing up,
Like when she's on the phone in her house early on, and like
half the frame is her on the phone, then half the frame is just
like the doorway behind her, and so my eyes the whole time, we're
just like trained on that door, right, but nothing happens there, and
then that's when the knocking the door happens. What did you guys think of
the kind of pre I guess Nick Cage exposition dump in terms of the investigation
part of it, like the actual detective work and trying to find the clues
of the serial killer? You guys, were you guys intrigued by by that
section? Really? I mean sorry, I just I had brain fron.
I was trying to like scrupt through the trailer here and see what you were
talking about, Travis, with these the demon things popping up? Can you
beat the question? Dylan? You made you cut my interest Travis that you
said you saw it in the trailer. Uh? The okay, so the
before Nick Cage does the expedition exposition dump and we we as the audience learned
all that information, what did you think about the actual investigation in terms of
like the serial killers clues and that kind of step by step process, Like,
was that was that intriguing for you? I I think that some of
it was prolonged, and I didn't really pick up on how she knew immediately
how to decipher everything. I just assume I'm kind of like, actually,
like, well, he gave me an agent. So because what happens is
he because knowing the card, he because he sends her card and one part
of the card is like the usual long legs letters where it's a bunch of
letters, but then another part of the card had the letters, and then
it had the English letters on top of them. So he gave her the
key, so she didn't really figure it out. He gave to her,
and that's why I go back to, like half the letters and then she
kind of figured it out, yes, exactly, and that's why I went
back to like did he need her to be an FBI agent for some reason?
Because why does he need to give her this key specifically? Right?
You know? So Okay, that's interesting. Then yeah, no, I
I think that again some of those scenes where it was just really really long,
like you get felt like it was twenty minutes where she is brought in
after she does her psychic test and they have her look at all the information
the evidence, and she's just sitting in this room putting photos down and just
like moving things around and whatnot. And then that's I feel like that's it.
I feel like it just it wraps up with like, Okay, we're
gonna go get a drink. You can watch me drink. Oh you know,
you're gonna come meet my family, meet my daughter. And that's really
it everything after that, it just felt like, well, it was just
presented as is another family was targeted. She goes back home, finds a
photo of him, so because what, how did that happen? Again?
How did they? Right? Because they're looking, they figure it because that's
the one thing she does figure out by herself is the birthdays. Right that
they have a birthday on the fourteenth, and it's always within six days.
And he the I can't. I gotta get the characters in because I really
like Blair under what. I've been a bit He's been always like a kind
of these type of roles or like a bit player and stuff. But yeah,
the police chief, I I I'm a big fan of Underwit, so
I was happy to have him in here. But him and his team they
look back at all these logs and everything, and right, that's how they
find out because she called the police station the day before fourteenth saying there was
a man outside, and that's where they're like, oh, you gotta go
see because it does just seem like not easy, but just like, hey,
yeah, your mom said something about a weird guy. You should go
talk to her, you know. So I liked it for the most part.
I agree with Taylor where I think there is even though it's not a
long movie, I think there's some slowness going on where I don't say they
got to speed it up, but maybe it's just you know, I don't
know. There just felt like scenes it felt like we've hung on just a
tattoo long. Even if it's just thirty seconds too long, it's like we've
gone the point across and it's not like there's some scenes. It's not that
there's creepy music or or it's just her investigating or doing something, so it's
just kind of you're just you're with the character. At least I like the
choices they did with this character, because from the trailers you don't pick up
any of that. But she's a very nervous I think clearly that's what I
think they were, you know, trying to insinuate the moment, which I
enjoyed at first, just trying to show kind of like a hereditary mental illness
thing going on between the two that they keep to themselves. They're not people
persons. They have very maybe strict anal ways of doing things, and especially
like the way she later like all the it's on the floor, but just
like she already had a method the second she got that folder. And yes,
it could be a detective, but I feel like it's a combo of
many things. So I liked that with the character, so at least she
was interesting to still watch when she's doing stuff, but even things like the
uh when she's talking to the little girl. I think it's a fun scene,
but there's just like fifteen seconds of her like looking around and stuff,
which it it's good, but I think they do that a few two times
too many in this. At the beginning, we're like, okay, I
think you'd speed this up like a little bit, but it didn't majorly detract
just slow things. You would ramp them up, Especially because I didn't think
they were gonna do this. They kept going back to Nick Cage. I
thought we wouldn't meet him for a while. I thought it was going to
be Okay. We got that opening, which I loved the opening. I
love that that shot of just he walks up and it's just his chin and
I love like, I love the voice choice. I love how kind of
it's like it's like a creaky floor, you never know when you step on
it. What like what letter is gonna make a really loud sound or not.
And when he pops in the screen and they cut right before you see
his face, it's like, Oh, they show enough of Like they give
him prosthetics, which I like, and he's swollen. He has this creepy
voice. So that's where I thought, Okay, we're gonna see him here,
and I thought he'd be like the main battie, so we probably won't
meet him for a while, but then they'd keep going back to him,
and his scenes are always intense. He's always loud, the music's loud,
there's jump scares when he's on screen, and then when they go back to
Monroe, her seems very quiet, sometimes with almost no score. So that's
why I don't know if it's like a pacing thing for me that made it
feel longer, like Oh, we're ramping up and okay, right back then,
Oh we're ramping up, Okay, right back down, you know.
M hmm. Yeah. I guess leading into him, I guess I just
found him too zany for this role, where it kind of cut the tension
of these scenes, like, for example, when he's yelling in the car,
like I just started laughing, which should be a scary moment of like,
wow, our serial killer is actually getting like aggressive and loud goofy,
and me, Daddy, were you laughing or you were you frightened? I
was uncomfortable. I wasn't screaming like he was, but I was uncomfortable.
I was just like, Okay, here's Nick Cage yelling again like he always
does and being goofy. Like. I think it was the way they established
it because I felt uncomfortable. Because they do this shot with this young girl
in the in the convenience store and he walks in and you don't get a
direct look at him. It's just through the aisle mirror and you see him
just sounder into the back grab something, and then Saunder's back up to the
front and again you don't get that clear vision of his face, but he's
doing like the like the weird hand gestures over his face saying I don't even
remember what he's saying. What he's being fucking weird, and that sets up
like it's just it's uncomfortable, and then yeah, the girl's like, oh
Dad, that creepy guy's back the girl's guy, and then it cuts to
him in the car and so they commend like, Okay, her body gonna
be in the back trunk, and he's just like mommy, daddy, mother,
Like it's just that's set up to leading into that scene. That's what
makes it uncomfortable for me. M yeah, I guess I couldn't get past
the nick cageness of it, which is why that's fair. Maybe would have
wanted someone else to to do the role with someone who maybe who you casting,
I don't know. I mean I think I would want it to be
someone I don't really know. I'd want it to be someone that I'm not
recognized and being like, oh, here's this guy doing this thing that I've
seen before, and I think that you could pull it off pretty easily with
like prosthetics and then looking looking weird. But then when he just like to
me, like the trailer, I thought he had such an interesting voice and
I couldn't tell it was him, and then in this it was just sounded
like he was using his regular nick Cage voice to me. So really,
yeah, because I was in the trailers, I was like, oh,
this is his nick Cage being creepy, and then the movie I felt like
it went away from it. Even face wise, I feel like I did
know. Other than the eyes, I feel like they get enough stuff to
make me not feel like I'm watching Nick Cage. I love those swollenness.
I love the white makeup. Because I wasn't sure what they were doing at
the beginning because he's wearing almost fininine clothing and he's wearing makeup. So I
was like, Okay, are they going that route? But they didn't.
That's something I liked that they didn't explain it. They din't explain, oh,
he has some skin condition, or we see him go get medicine at
that pharmacy. But my theory here is because at one point when he's in
I think he's I guess he's in the basement and he's like leaning again.
He's like on his bed on the ground, leaning against the wall, and
he has some posters behind him, and some of them are like naked women,
like with long blonde hair and stuff, and another one is just Axel
Rose. Yeah, And so I felt like they were trying to show that
he was trying to emulate the look of these people that he looks up to.
So one he was trying to look like this, you know, beautiful
blonde woman. And so I felt like he was probably getting all sorts of
fillers in his face to I think, so you'll alter his face and that's
why his face looked that way. But then also the rock star element where
he's like singing and he's like doing that hahaha. They're doing some you know,
guns and roses type stuff. So I thought that was kind of a
funny little thing where, yeah, they don't really explain it out right,
but you can just kind of context clues by looking at his weird environment that
these are kind of the people he looks up to, which is weird people
to look up to for a serial killer, I suppose, But maybe that's
what makes it so unique. No, go ahead, go ahead. I
was just gonna say, I think I'm trying to say this in the most
positive way, and it's gonna sound like a shot in a cage. I
think that Nick Cage sometimes naturally comes off as a an odd fellow. I'd
say, where to me in this role at parlays as, it seems like
this is someone with high functioning mental health issues, and that's where to me,
the uncomfortableness comes in. And that's where it almost relates to the other
two characters too, with the Mother and the Daughter, where he clearly is
a smart I get he's smart to a degree, right, because he has
a certain it has to be this day and he's making a calendar all these
years, like there's a certain way. But then when he's put in the
public around people in certain situations, he can't act accordingly. So I think
I like that the nick Cage isms that we consider kind of weird and funny,
I think they play them off as you could look at him as he
is suffering from mental illness. And that's where it worked for me. That's
where it actually. I didn't laugh in like a funny way. I laughed
like uncomfortable, because it is I've met individuals like that before, where whatever
it is, whether it's drug use or their personal life or just what happened
to them, there's something off, but they don't exactly know that. So
when he's like singing to people, I think for him that's just like h
he's just singing, but you wouldn't do that in real life. And of
course because we know he's killing people, comes off as creepy, but a
lot of times it's just him kind of acting naturally. Of course, I
really love the interrogation scene, because I think he's full creepy. But even
then when they first start talking to him, he's like looking around the room
and he's really confused. And I really like the choice of the first interrogation
being on the monitor and then then just watching over and I really like that.
So in the interrogation, like he gets a little, he gets a
little, he gets pretty cagey at times, but I was I was scared
of him there, especially near the end when he's very serious, and I
just actually didn't think and Nick Cage maybe had this energy left in him to
do like get this work to this worked up. So yeah, I agree.
It was just terrifying, absolutely terrifying. His like end scene too,
like Hail Satan and then there's like his little kiss wild stuff. When this
is kind of going back to the beginning. When the agent goes back home
and she locks the door, she does the the like the main lock,
and we can see that there's like a chain link lock up top. She
does not do that up Now she goes off, she's sitting at her desk,
she's doing her own thing, and then she I think at this point
this is when you hear the banging on the door when she's on the phone,
and then it cuts to the door and the chain is now in the
door. Now it cuts to her walking to the door slowly. I think,
I don't think she sees outside yet and sees long legs out there,
but it cuts to her walking to the door. When she walks to the
front door, now the chain is disabled, and I thought, oh,
it's kind of weird, and are they alluding to like ghosts or doing this
or what's going on? I just do I saw that too when I was
very and that was something that made me think, Okay, maybe this character
is maybe she's actually doing some crimes or something, because like we're just as
the viewer, we're not being shown everything that's going on, but there's clearly
scenes missing where at some point she went and locked that door again. I
honestly think it was just a like a like corner deer. Yeah. I
can't think of anything else what it would signify. Yeah, it's kind of
weird. Yeah, I have to watch back because I just remember that was
unlocked. The knock happened, then she locked it, so I'd have to
go back and see it because I didn't remember that it was unlocked again for
another time. But I guess he got in there right, so I'm not
sure if he liked, Well, she left the car open when she went
out there, right, it looked like because she went down the steps,
it looked like she left that door wide open. When she went back to
the house, the doors are still wide open, so someone did go in
and obviously do some shit. Yeah, he after a birthday present, and
oh she I hate, like in the best way. I hate when he
called her the almost birthday girl. There's just something creepy about that, the
way he would do with his voice. I just, oh, yeah,
I was. I was digging that. But oh, I can't remember where
I was gonna go next, Like this one has a place to go,
take me there, Well, I forgot. I'll mention this because you just
mentioned the birthdays, and because we were talking about this, and then we
ended up talking about in a cage for a bit there. But I was
I didn't really like the element of Okay, she's triangulating these birthday positions,
and this is like drawing a triangle over the course of all these years on
Like I think, what weird is like I've never seen anyone draw a calendar
that way, So I'm like, how was how is that supposed to be
like a fun thing to figure out? Like, I've never seen anyone write
a calendar like that, so it's weird that she would write a calendar like
that. And then somehow it draws a triangle, which is like the most
basic shape you can drop, but then somehow that relates to like that near
the end of this book there's a picture of like a triangle, but then
it also has other things. Yeah, and so that's supposed to signify that
the devil is here. It just felt like way too convoluted and didn't really
make sense or wasn't like a fun like, oh, that's all clicking together
now, And so it kind of made this whole rigamarole of finding these different
birthdays and how it's like, oh, it's weird, like it seems like
it's really to a certain date, but then like there's variance on it by
a day or two here or there. And by the end of that whole
sequence, when we kind of had it figured out, I didn't really feel
like it impacted me much, just because it felt kind of random and in
like, you know, we're forty years and making horror movies that were running
out of ideas, like what can we do here, Let's make a weird
triangle with a calendar you've never seen before, and that's gonna be the solution.
Even though it doesn't really matter whether or not she knew that, I
suppose. I wonder though that calendar was big in the nineties though, to
that type of calenter, right, because this movie does take place, then
something I've never seen before is impact. So I don't know. I think
it's just a way to shoehorn in a lot of symbolism. And when you
look at stuff that's demonic and occult, there's lots of symbolism evolved in that.
And I was I was even reading it as well that when you look
at the six days get Away from that book, Yeah, the six days
that are kind of spaced out from when the deaths would occur. I think
then they're relating to like the number sixes that you see in that trantle she's
doing and all that, And so I think it's just the symbolism, and
they're trying to create that sesthetic and that atmosphere to our character kind of seeing
what's going on and feeling what's going on, and I guess it gives them.
It's as a plaw point supposed to give them that. Okay, the
thirteenth hasn't been filled out, so that's the one they're trying to avoid,
but then they they don't avoid it because is that was I wrong in thinking
that girl that kills herself? Was she the girl from Sabrina? Or was
I wrong on that? You looked familiar but I couldn't. I couldn't place
them. It's like Kreena, Sheina Crypta or Courner Shipca, that's who it
is. Courne ship Cut, Karen Shipka. I know her from mad Man,
but I feel like it was her and it was her. Yeah,
okay, so and she's apparently twisters coming up, so there you go.
So uh And then maybe that was another scene that I thought maybe uh overstated
its welcome to when she was talking to her in the asylum, and I
felt like we we got what we needed and we stuck there a little longer.
So that was something where And I don't think it related too much into
the future because she did kill herself. I guess it just shows that,
Okay, you know, eventually the devil still got her. I guess or
what I mean. I think it was supposed to be a bit of a
red hearing, right, just because like, oh, that was the death
on this day, so you think it's done, but then sure go to
the house later and then there's the family because obviously wouldn't really make I guess
it could or couldn't make sense if she kind of was like a survivor maybe
would make sense. Okay, she finally did get killed on one of those
days, but then it was actually referring to the chief's family. Yeah,
And I also think it was like a double red hairing because if like at
the beginning, they're trying to make it seem like could she be the accomplice?
You know, she's last left and he went to talk to her,
Which is funny. In the first twenty minutes, they really give you almost
everything you need as far as that first scene is Nick Cage and you wouldn't
know it, but it's a young version of our character. They set her
up as being psychic, so right away they go, this is a supernatural
movie, even if it's a little bit still supernatural, and then with oh
gosh, oh, they talk about uh, I think I can't remember when
when the bar they're talking about his obsession with dates or whatever it may be.
There's some line and then she's like, oh, kind of like Charles
Manson, and he's like, well, Charles manson't work alone. It's like,
yeah, accomplice. So like right away she was right on that.
I thought they were saying that because that it was gonna be different because he's
doing things like a cult killer, but he doesn't have a cult but he
did. So really, when you think about the first act of this movie,
they do really show you what is gonna happen. I just again was
not expecting some big jumps scene. But one thing I really like too is,
yeah, that that opening scene, which is yeah, the young girl
and and long legs in the in the yard there the snowy yard, and
then so at first you're like, Okay, obviously this is Micah's character,
but then later on the movie, I thought it was actually carry Anne that
was that flashback of the scene, but then it flips and eventually reveals that
it actually was his character. I know, it's an actor and character this
year, So I thought that was kind of a cool twist on twist of
that. Oh really, so that from the first time he saw a scene
you thought it was Micah because I didn't think that Ti. Later on,
I just thought all this is assumed. It was oh really okay, yeah,
because I didn't think our character was gonna have the must have black blocked
this out or something. But like, eventually, I'm with you, so
I kind of fell too. Yeah that was cool that they flipped it on
me and then and then unflipped it later. Yeah. No, I didn't
think they were gonna have any connections. That's I was like, oh,
it's just some random girl or something like that, but no, it was
it was her And then yeah, that was the deal, the devil moment
and everything. So yeah, oh there was What if I had another question?
I think I wrote down here that I had Uh Nope, we covered
that it was her being psychic. I guess it was. We talked about
that's we think that could be because she might have had some connections to the
devil, and I guess she's using that against them. I guess not probably
what the devil wants and everything. And I did, oh and I Taylor,
I did where I was gonna like Ghostriders. They got the actor from
it too, uhayl I did have that trail that did have the moment here.
Let me do a full theater mode for you. I'm gonna do no
sounds and we don't get a copyright strike or anything like that. But if
you do a full screen there, if you watch right there, the scene's
coming up, hang on and then see look you can see right behind.
You can see it in the trailer. But I feel like I never noticed
that, so again, and I think also when you're watching a trailer,
it looks like it could just be smoke moving right like in the background,
but that they do that multiple times the trailer. It could also whenever the
dolls had the black cloth over and the yellow eyes would peak through. That's
freaky shit. That was scary. Yeah, that was scary to me.
And honestly, anytime we went into the box mode and had that filter,
all cool visual stuff like that. They released that poster, But that fucking
woman giving herself a self see section again, that's just unsettling. There's something
about it. I just I don't like seeing they just cut her stabbing the
doll in the stomach, and then that that moment when the mom's going to
talk to the doll and the dad hits her and then she he walks away
in her hands, but he comes right back like all that stuff, And
that's where I think, like visually and artistically, like I got a lot
of points for this movie because a lot of the imagery just some good driving
scenes when Yeah, so that all that stuff really really delivered. And anytime
we were in that box mode, I was like, that's when I was
on pin the Neils, like, oh man, what's what's gonna happen here?
And then anytime we were on Nick Cage close up, that was getting
me too. That woman stabbing the doll. I felt like it was like
an outlast trial scene or something like that, which is just there was a
few Nick Cage gave me some outlast trials in here, just the way he
would scream and stuff going on, Like I, yeah, I felt like
he would have been in one of those wards, you know, dead by
daylight. So they got to get Long Legs in there now too, Like
they gotta get him running around with his outfits and hair and makeup and everything.
So yeah, and brutal death for a Long Legs. He commits suicide
by just smashing his face in there. Yea whole nose and jaw wide open
bone, his nosebone. I never want to see the nosebone, you know.
Do you know exactly what he said at the start, because I was
trying to remember when he's like, oh, I brought my long legs today,
Is that what he said to did say, yeah, I thin,
because he's just about being cold. And then when he goes she fucking goes
down on that. Oh God, that's gonna stick with me. I can't
wait to watch that again. And that opening scene that got me. There's
something about it. I think it's because it's also just a dud with kids.
You know, when it's the adults, you uncomfortably laugh. But when
you have this character being very creepy approaching a child who's very impressiable and might
not know better, and he's doing the whole thing of your run a contest
and it's a toy, and it's just like, oh, it's just horrifying
to think about. And what a creepy guy. You know, it's like
cuckoo around the corner. Yeah yeah, And he didn't really get his come
up, and you know, like in his mind, he did his plan,
it all went to work. They didn't kill him he killed himself,
you know, so like it all, it all worked out for mister long
legs. So someone randomly did a cuckoo from the back of the theater during
the Oh god, it wasn't like it didn't creep me out. It would
have been fun if it did, I think. But you looked and you've
seen the cage in there, full makeup, terrifying. Yeah. Yeah.
Do you think there is a chance that the roles could have changed, where
maybe the devil just thought like, Okay, this ruth, this lady,
this mom, don't need her anymore, and I'll like, all that they
need to do is they need to sit there and witness the deaths. And
so it was. It was kind of weird how the agent was trying.
She had the little girl and she's trying to shoot the doll, but it
sounded like it was just clicking. So either she was assuming she was out
of AMMO, or something else could have been happening. But what I'm trying
to get at is maybe the devil wanted the agent to get there and let
the mom die. Because either way, however you look at it, the
agent that was there, she witnessed all to death still and so that kind
of keeps it in line. And I doubt we're going to get a sequel
or anything like that, but it just feels like the devil still got what
he wanted by keeping them a witness there. So I think so, And
like I said before, I still think, you know, if you're looking
the mother's a bit older, you might need a replacement. I still think
it's left ambiguous because she keeps saying we gotta go, we gotta go,
and she's not moving, so it's like, well, should need to be
running out of there. She also should just kneecapped to the dad the second
they went to the kitchen, because they're not in the right mind, I
do. I loved that line of Oh, we're gonna go to the kitchen,
we'll be right back, and then then he's like, well, I'll
be right back, and he's just saying in like a jovial dad way,
but you know, like, oh my god, he's gonna kill the mom.
And I also kind of appreciate you just hear it going on, you
don't even see it, and I think there's like some aspects that are worse
to that. And I know it's her mom, but I would have I
would have been shooting my mom right away. If my mom's doing this stuff,
she should have got a headshot it right right when you get in there,
you kill the mom. You don't know what's going on, you don't
know what witchcraft your mom's into. It's time to go, you know.
So hmm. Yeah, anything else specifically that we didn't talk about or cover,
I guess I just quick showed out one. Lee Harker is a cool
name. I really like that name. And yeah, I was feeling,
I guess through the first half of the movie, like, oh, I
was excited to see this actress and something after it follows, right, I
was like, Okay, she wasn't not really doing much. She's kind of
just like straight face the whole time, not really any degrees of acting here,
and just delivering the lines in a very simple way, which is obviously
like how it was directed, how it was supposed to be. But I
think near the end she got to do a bit more, whether it's just
you know, seeing everything unfold with her mother and her reactions there. I
thought it like it was actually pretty impactful, especially when you have a character
who was so stoic the whole time when she was with her mom, and
she chuckled a little bit, just something based on when her mom said this
before all this crazy shit is going down. Yeah, but it kind of
just like, I don't know, it's it's like a heartwarming moment, just
because she's been so stonefaced that whole time. But yeah, I thought near
the end of it she did some good acting chops, But I guess I
wasn't as blown away as I was expecting to be. But she still did
a decent job here. Yeah. No, I really enjoyed her in this
one. And you mentioned something we didn't talk about. I did like the
Again, I didn't think there's gonna be any connection when she has those few
calls with her mom. I think it was. I thought it was just
to show that her mom is also might be on the spectrum on some certain
things, and that was about it. But now even those lines when she's
like, oh, I was used to be a nurse and I've seen some
nasty things, and now thing in retrospect, it's like, oh, yeah,
she's she certainly has seen some nasty things over her years, you know,
so it's it's not good. And even then, I just the way
they would just like greet each other. She would say, oh, yeah,
so your daughter, like, yeah, your only child daughter. It's
just it was a odd thing. We never really got much info about the
father in this scenario. I was very happy. I was worried they're gonna
make Nick Cage the dad, and I didn't want them to go that route
because I feel like that's always like a just an easy just lever to poll
in these horror movies as all. But they still kind of, I guess
I didn't want that. But then they still just made the other killer her
parents, So they still kind of did what I didn't want, but they
did it in a different way that I think I was still fine with as
far as, oh well, it wasn't that she's been a killer this whole
time. She got of got forced into it by Nick Cage. She's still
you know, made the deal. So it's still again, kids out there,
if it's death or making deal, the devil always pick death, you
know the deal. The devil not gonna get you anywhere. Good. Yeah,
it's good. That's a lifetime agreement of uh, because when does it
end? I guess when the cycle ends? And then you're yeah, it's
eternal damnation. Well, I think you only go to hell you break the
rules, right, I think, but if you die, you can't fulfill
the rules anymore, right, true. So I imagine her mom's burning up
big time. Oh yeah, this Nick Cage though, because he died before
they at some point he's like it's flowing like hot laugh or something like that.
Yeah, Nick Cage is going to whatever heaven Hell has. Sure Hell
has there on heaven level, I guess, but he died before it was
complete, which that was a that was odd where we spent to me in
that first act A little bit second sometime on scenes, I was thought,
oh, we could be done here. But then when they're like, well
we gotta she gets a photo of them, she gives it to the chief
and oh, well this is the guy. He's like you sure you want
to do a manager. She's like yeah. Next scene, they just get
him. There's no like, he's just on the road. I don't even
know how they get there. Especially in the nineties, it's like and then
he just hands like that was a scene cut there. It seemed like a
weird transition. Yeah, that was one where I was like I needed I'd
like a little bit more there. Maybe the scene is just literally, hey,
someone in this neighborhood, saity, he's going that way. So maybe
it is an anti climactic so it's not a big negative or anything like that.
But uh, yeah, something that I thought about in that second.
But yeah, they catch him, and again I like all the police stuff.
I like the acting from Lee there as well in those moments, especially
when he does splatter his head and everything. So good stuff. I think
that's all for me. Are you there anything else? No? I can't
think of anything. Yeah, okay, so yeah, yeah, don't file
thoughts and a rating on this. We wanna drop one. Yeah, I
think I'm gonna go six point five for this. I'm unlike you. I'm
not really compelled to go back and watch this though. I mean we definitely
brought up some things that's like, okay, this would be interesting to see.
Like one thing I'm curious about actually is if if we go back to
the mom's house early in the movie, can we see the car, can
we see evidence of like that car peeking out from behind the cloth I got
there? There could be some fun little easter eggs I guess to see on
a second run through. But yeah, overall, a little disappointed by this,
but it still did some bold thing, some really great cinematography and lighting.
I think that's like, to me, the big takeaway from this is,
like, you know, Golden Geek's time, like this is gonna be
the best visuals for me, I think, just because absolutely everything they were
doing there. So yeah, good time, glad, I glad I saw
it. And uh it's fun, fun discussion with you guys as always.
Yeah, mister film, I am gonna drop a nice warm eight out of
ten on right out of the oven. Yeah, okay, no, yeah,
I'm I'm happy with this movie. I really really am. Of course,
like I said at the start, there are some slow points that can
really drag off for a little bit. But other than that, I think
nick Age was great. I like the investigation part of part of this.
I like to had this well culled paranormal kind of vibe to it, and
of course not like ghosts left, right and center, but it's still something
kind of looming and uncomfortable in the background. I like that she was psychic
and how it tied into things too. But there's definitely issues and storytelling kind
of problems that we've discussed here, and I guess we'll need more clarification.
And at the end of the day, though, I'm glad that they I'm
glad that they were able to give us a freaky villain, but not just
have us, oh, well, what's his backstory? We're wanting his backstory.
They gave us a villain where we can just accept him for what he
is, and we don't need to necessarily know what his upbringing was or what
his background was. We just need to know a little bit more about how
his abilities work, I guess, and his end some of his motives.
I would have liked to have known why he is picking the people born on
the fourteenth of any month. Of course, I just have to assume it's
the symbolism because they got to be able to draw triangles right of their their
on their calendar. So that's that's what it comes down to. So all
in all, I'm excited to rewatch it. I'm excited to see, like
you guys have said, what you might miss on the first watch through,
and if that car is there, Dylan, that's what I'm gonna be looking
out for. That's that's pretty crazy. And see how many times that the
demon pops up in the in the shadows behind people as well. But all
in all, I think it's it's a good movie and I look forward to
rewatching it. Yeah, I no, Like I said, I don't know
where my score is because it's something where I definitely it's not a ten right
now. But that's something where Hereditary wasn't a ten for me. An I
think, let's not a watchh it. I gave it that or like nearly
perfect one where I'm interested to like, let this fester a little bit,
talk to some people, maybe watch some things, and then watch it over
again. But I don't know if it'll ever go to that rup. But
like I said, I didn't think it Hereditary would. And then I said,
and that's another movie. I would compare it to a little bit where
Hereditary. That's the difference though where I guess Heretary is more outwardly supernatural.
But I feel like just some stuff at the end felt similar. I would
compare it to Signs and Lambs. Oh there was another one I would have
compared it to as well, Oh Sinister. Me and Tayo talked about that
with Sinister, but Sinister the same thing right away that's like, hey,
this is ghost story yeah, no, but it's just like right away,
you know this is supernatural. It starts like, okay, it's a conjuring
where you know, we're dealing with possession and stuff like that. Right where
this uh yeah, I don't know, because throughout this whole review, I
have been back and forth between like a nine point five to an eight point
five or two eight. So I feel I'll do the classic and go in
the middle of an eight point five. Some of that scores almost like what
I did with I didn't review it on air, but like Kinds of Kindness,
where you know, I had some story issues, but the filmmaking behind
it up takes it a little bit. And that's where I think for a
lot of the portions, if I have problems, but there's things where it
just looks great or it's you know, I love the sounds, or I
love things going on with imagery as far as Nick Cage and some of that
stuff. So and yeah, for me, it is like like what a
year we got to see this to Taylor where it's like you got awesome Butler
and Dune, you got Hemsworth and Furio, so you got the guy from
Plant the Apes, And now for me, this year, and I can
other than I think plan the apes, I can make a case for all
of them winning. Like I legitually do think Nick Cage is fantastic this and
he scared me. He's gonna be in my nightmares later on tonight, I
asked me if I want a doll or something, So that alone is up
there really good. So yeah, I want to rewatch as I'm excited to
talk about this again in February for certain aspects, but then I'll probably have
a more you know, sat down things. So, like I said,
I'll go with an eight point five for now, even saying that, it
feels like it's like like I want to get to that like nine. It's
tough, like I'm somewhere there, but I need some more time with this
one. But I'm definitely on the higher spectrum of it. So yeah,
no, I'm But also I will say, and that's one thing when I
said I want to rewatch, it wasn't expecting to twist. I did think
from these trailers how hyped I got. I thought it was gonna be like
with the Bolt in my top three for the year, and it's not.
So I will say, there is like a bit of still underwhelming, and
that's why I credited the team. My non spoiled was a great job with
the trailer. On marketing, I think this is like, if whoever did
this for people that are doing horror movies or even some combook movies that reveal
too much, watch this marketing. Go get this team and be like,
hey, market our movie because I think they built anticipation and they didn't give
a bunch of stuff away. You know, whether you liked it or not,
it's there's tons of scenes that aren't in the trade that are in this
movie, and I think that's a good thing. So shout to them for
me thinking like all, this almost has to be a ten out of ten
in my top three for the and it wasn't. And I'm being like,
oh man, it's only like top fifteen, top ten. What a bummer.
But that's still really good. So that's why I need some space with
this one. So yeah, we'll be back next week. There's lots of
retrospectives dropping and everything like that, But our next review, I guess really
is gonna be like obviously got FETEO game reviews and TV shows, but our
next move review boys is gonna be dead Pool Wolverine, which is crazy.
You know, we've got twisters. I might right, Sorry, you guys
got twisters. Kirkland's getting de Light for two, so you might hear from
Kirkland and Taylor for Twisters that at the next you know, Collective one.
We got Deadpool Wolverine, so that's gonna be quite a different experience. Maybe
nic Cage will pop up as ghostwriter Taylor, Oh, it's very possible,
or pop up his long Legs. Well, I fucking love it in the
multiverse. I want to I want to see a movie long Legs would be
highly confused about. That's who they replace Kang first to figure out what the
hell is going on there. Yeah, that's who. They replaced Kang with
his long legs and he has this whole thing. It gives to venture a
doll. Yeah, I need I also need to see long Legs and uh,
what's my boy Gabriel. I need to see them have a conversation,
you know, I want to see what's going on there. So but ladies,
gentlemen, uh, we'll be back as usual next week. Thank you
very much for tuning in, and we promise next time here for us,
we'll not be boring Yeah.