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from the Who's Your Fine? No p S? Side Court, Hi Aeron,
Welcome to side Quest. The side quests we do, which are the
main quests? I guess where we talk about, you know, bullshit?
Normally, sometimes we play games. Sometimes we have guests. Those of you
watching on YouTube realize we have neither of those things right now. We've got
me Steve Webell, We've got MK Gibson Gibbie, We've got Robert Bevan hello,
oh Frank h Yeah. We just occasionally we like on the side Quest
to just give a little check in into television and movies, see how they're
getting on and perfect time to do it. It's not quite the spooky season
anymore, but we do have an exciting trailer drop for the new Ghostbusters movie,
Ghostbusters Frozen Empire. Is everyone exciting? I'm I am mixed, m
still mix. I had a I mean, looking at the movie, looks
like it's got kind of some cool ghosts and some Ghostbusters, which you know,
on the face of it, that's great, that's fine. There's nothing
went wrong with just a bunch of ice. There's a bunch of ice in
that one missed guy looks like a wraith coming out of the out of the
shadows. Were either of you older, I mean you're both my age,
approximately would give or take. Do you all remember the real Ghostbusters cartoon when
you were a kid? I do. I used to love it. Yeah,
right, And that's what this kind of feels like. This. It
feels more like a continuation because it's like it's far less about like the Ghostbusters
of eighties that I knew, and I wish they had never made a sequel
to ever. Yeah yeah, because it was perfect and stayed alone and it
never needed to be touched. It really was kind of people misunderstanding it.
So I say the movie was lightning in a bottle. Ghostbusters two kind of
remade Ghostbusters one, as sequels kind of did at the time Chest Musters twenty
sixteen. People still think I'm mad about that just because it was an awful
movie. I'm mad about it because of an awful movie that compared itself to
the original and kind of tried to remake something that was very difficult remade.
Yeah. Yeah. But there's obviously been a lot of Ghostbusters content besides the
mainstream movies has been the cartoons. There was the kind of the one in
the nineties which went a big extreme. It was probably called Ghostbusters Extreme.
There was Extreme Ghostbusters. Yeah, yeah, isn't nineties, it's extreme something.
Yeah, there was a there was a pretty decent comic book series.
It's fine. People have done okay with this content. And just when Ghostbusters
After Life came out, I understood the kind of big gasping nostalgia. Wow,
they found octa one because they were doing what Ghostbusters twenty sixteen maybe should
have done, which was nostalgia kind of fan service and not just pissing on
the corpse of the original. And I understood them doing in that and in
the Dick literally cheating it. That cannot be stressed enough. It was all
very obvious. We're not being buried with you. But I got the fact
that The After Life was nostalgia bait. I thought it was a fine movie.
It had some really fun bits. It was nice to see all the
kit get discovered and the familiars ghosts going and have come back. I thought
it was kind of schmaltzy to the point of nearly being cynical in places like
even as a great big almost stereotypical Ghostbusters fanboy in the fact that I've never
touched a woman, and that even I at some points in that movie.
For yeah, this is a little much. You say that they bring the
old ghost back. I think they did a little too much of that.
Wouldn't need to bring ghoser back, you know, no big ghosts that could
be the big there, it was a bit too such the the Real Ghostbusters
cartoon that kind of like that was the best successor to the first one because
it's like it paid homage to what it was the original where it came from,
made it something for kids. But if you ever went back and watched
them of those things like that, comic writer Strazinski wrote a lot of those
episodes and they were dark as fuck, Like there were some real torturous like
type things in these realms. It's like and it's you know, the real
guy Dan Ackroyd is a big occultist and they love diving into the real world
of cults and mythologies and things from around the world. That uh, the
show of That's what made it fun because yes they were fighting ghosts and comical
way, but they dealt with this kind of paranormal world. What we call
today urban fantasy that a lot of people have built their careers off of.
And they were doing this back in the eighties. Got it all? Yeah,
the real Ghostbusters defank or you urban fantasy, right is basically knows no,
you know your role, No, you're lane. But it so when
I saw, like, you know, obviously, like when they did the
second one, it was like it felt very kitty, you know, like
the hey, it's we're gonna sell slime. God damn it, it's very
cheap to make. We're gonna sell to kids, and it's gonna be mood
slime. And it's you know, it's got some funny moments. You got,
you know, the ego they got Bathean, Yeah, you got you
know, you get your bits. But it's more of a chuckle fuck because
in that first movie, like they don't have a character arc, no one
is changed for the better they saw they start as is exactly who's they?
Who they as they end, they don't get as better people. You know,
Vagman is still a womanizing piece of ship, like Spangler never smiles,
you know. And that's and it's not even a comedy. They're comedic actors
and a sci fi movie. That is amusing. It's not a comedy.
And that's when people forgot when they start to make all these sequels. You
might have right, right, it's it's an amusing sci fi horror movie.
It's not a comedy. And I'll I'll fight somebody on that one. But
I think the concept that is almost I guess satires the wrong word. Everybody
just says fucking satire right now. It's kind of versus you know, metaphysicals.
I mean even still like they're they're they're they're presented as blue collar guys,
but all of them have doctorates. You know, they're the most privileged
blue collar guys that ever were. Like, they have doctorates, they fused
around in college log enough to become professors. Yeah, but they're still essentially
schlubby, exterminated, smoking cigarettes. Well they deal with they are. I
mean, that is the knowledge of man exactly. Oh. It's a classic
for a reason. But I know people that like, didn't grow up on
it, watch it later in life and don't like it. You know,
even within our own community, there's some folks who are just like they have
objections to it, and I get it. I know people that didn't go
with the Goonies, and they watch it now they can't stand the Goonies.
But I mean, I can't not watch eleven years old again. You know,
there's a lot of shouting children in the Goonies, so I could see
how somebody might have been turned off. I think Ghostbusters, I think is
an incredible fucking script. It's just I think it's incredibly tight lightning in a
bowl of movie. If you don't like it, it's fine, I'm gonna
judge you. But I don't think anyone could just say we're going to make
the next Ghostbusters and do that easily. It's really fucking hard to get that
vibe. A lot of people say they're gonna make the next whatever they try.
They try it with Star Wars, they try with Ghostbusters. They tried
a lot of friend because if it made money once, it'll make money again.
Uh So with Ghostbusters twenty sixteen, here's the thing, good or bad,
We're still talking about it. Like seven years later, people are still
talking about that fucking movie. Not always positively, but it always comes up
in the conversation, not all. In fact, rarely. Some people didn't
like this. Here's the thing. I didn't hate it. I didn't love
it. It was it's one of those stars Like I'm not I'm no expert
in comedy, but I normally you need a straight person and a wacky person
to play off each other. But everybody was the wacky person and there was
no quote straight man. Uh so. Also, they didn't know when to
finish a joke. It was all imprompt and it felt like it felt like
a very long, well produced starting in a live skit over and sometimes it's
good, and most of the time it is, and it's like a lot
of money. I thought, the idea is great. Not all the skits
are the best, you know what I'm saying. I would say, just
for listeners who may have stumbled on to us randomly here, we do have
a couple of episodes diving into exactly what we fucking hate about that movie.
I think we even did an at the movies on it. So if you
want a complete rundown, at least every single problem I wasn't there, we
can. We can revisit that anytime you want. Please did well come come
after Life? I mean it's it's the guy who wrote it as kid who
grew up in Hollywood, and you know, uh and it's there is a
reverence to it. Obviously, you like discovering this and rediscovering like oh that,
don't you know. But the problem is, it's kind of like when
a movie is like this, I know it's I know it's a movie.
I know it's fiction. Turned your brain off when they're like, don't you
realize what happened thirty years ago? Oh my god? I bring up the
YouTube videos, but that's like forgetting nine to eleven, let alone, like
from Harbor like that. You know, do you remember that time that ghosts
like the fucking like like Statue of Liberty walk down the street or the giant
state of Marshmallow walk down the street? Do you remember that time when the
building explode in psychokinetic energy. It's like the New Yorkers, the rumor I
fucked that the New Yorkers of the Ghostbusters universe are incredibly sort of don't give
a ship breed of people. Well yeah, I mean but like because if
they take one and two is cannon, then like yeah, there's some literally
going around the streets people are I mean, so much crazy shit happened when
when the when the containment chamber broke, So yeah, but it's like even
like in Ghostbusters Too, which is like four years later, everyone's like,
yeah, you're full of ship. Yeah you know what, that's fair.
I thought it was bad in like the New Stars would be like like the
Jedi are real, like it was thirty years ago, like there was a
galactic empire thirty years ago after Like I'm oh my god, this is all
real. This isn't just a mythodo legend, Like, motherfucker, it's thirty
years Gibby that the Star Wars the universe doesn't have books, so you can
ray read a fucking book. Cald She be like they do. They make
it a point. She steals from the tree in the second movie there's a
whole stack of him, so like, yeah, shit, they fucked up
as well. Then they She could have talked to a droid about it,
but the droids are deliberately pretending not to remember stuff. I don't know.
It's it's very confusing. I was just I was just talking to Rachel about
that, Like it still irks me that, Like see three po and it
can build him And in the second movie he's to go back to tattooed and
he's at the farm. He's at the farm that Luke will eventually work at
Uncle Owen is there, he knows three po he sees the robot, and
then twenty years later rebuys the same robot. You know, it's like,
actually, it's know what you write people, because when you start expanding at
the universe, Yeah, you know, maybe just leave shit alone. If
you've got a convoluted title of like nice or just to move. Yeah,
World War two movie, imagery and Samurai movie that someone made and managed to
get free movies out that change the world, maybe fucking even alone. They're
your own thing. And maybe the same with Ghostbusters. And I will say
we were talking about the reverence in Afterlife and how it doesn't quite make sense.
It's like I had no idea that the Ghostbusters exists, despite the fact
that they once beat up a giant slide monster would a statue of liberty.
But yeah, I think the reverence in the new trailer seems to be I
mean, they've already fired that shot, right, They've already fired that.
You remember the Ghostbusters, guys, remember Octo one? That's kind of it
was done. It was done nicely, it was fine. I enjoyed it.
But I have it again, right, spoilers for that movie folks who
haven't seen it, and I'm sorry, but like that scene at the end
where it's like the original step up to do something and the ghost of Harold
remis because the unfortunately the man passed, so the cg item and as a
ghost to help the guys. I liked it. I thought it was touching,
you know, so much of it. Yeah, went on for a
long that's I get it. Oh that whole movie didn't need to be but
sixteen in my mouth, like all right, here's the ghost, we'll get
it. You missed him. I liked you. I liked it. It
worked collected for like a minute and then it lasts for more. But you
know that's fair. This kind of like I remember Harold Ravy and then like
about two minutes in as like Harold, you're outstaying welcome. Now he's gonna
go ahead. I liked him as a character, like when you couldn't see
him, when he was just fucking around with the lamp and stuff showing up.
I thought that was hilarious. Yep, playing with his granddaughter. Yeahm
I liked all that and that, But that was really at the heart of
that movie was do you remember Ghostbusters. Wouldn't it be great if you were
just discovering Ghostbusters again. I'm not I'm not advocating child beating, but that
one kid, Finn wolf Heart like the Strangers Things kid like I just wanted
to I wanted to fight him. Is a grown man. That that face,
that kind of face he would make all the time. I'm like,
I want to take your lunch money and give you a haircut drinkes me as
a very kind of mutin shut grown man pretending to be a child scenario.
Maybe it's okay, I don't know. Well, I'm sure he's not a
child child anymore. Maybe he's not. What's hell old, I gotta look
the shit up that it's been wilf old enough to beat Google. Oh he's
Canadian too, I can't trust that. All right, he's twenty years old
and Canadian. Yours Canadian exactly. So it's like, you know, like
seventy seven cents on the idol. Yeah, he's twenty, so it's fine
you can be angry about I'm just angry that he's young and got more money
than I'll resee in my life. Yeah, yeah, and more hair.
So and also they're not doing a nostalgia thing anymore, so that fin guy
doesn't need to be in it. That's his entire ship is pretending it's the
eighties and we're not doing it. Neither does neither it is Paul Rudd.
I am not a Rud fan. I've said this all my life. He
is exciting to me as buying new towels, like he's okay in a comedy.
True, but he's when he is the background character adding a little bit
of spice, great. But when he is like a vegetable on the he's
a main course on the plate, it does not. It's why I hate
ant Man. I don't care for him. I'm going, but I also
like, yeah, nothing quite beats that new towel feeling. So you're standing
in the Walmart or whatever the British version of Walmart is, looking at towels.
How excited are you? It's not like you didn't go to the electronic
section. You're not genning, you're not going over to like you know,
the even like if you're hungry at the grocery store, at least then you
got to what can I eat this week? No, you're just looking at
fucking towels and it's like soft and fluffy white or soft and fluffy beige,
Like that's it, that's it. I maybe there's a problems with the two
choose it between white and beige. I'm not allowed to have black towels anymore.
It gets length everywhere apparently leaves I see. Yeah, yeah, you've
been cut off from the true excitement of towels. But I think we're getting
away from ourselves. Uh yeah, what I didn't I quite like Paul right.
I thought he was okay in the first movie. It was funny.
But what I didn't like in this trailer is they used the same joke twice
with two different guys because they had poorer and what's his face? Who's the
pols And they both did the we're gonna yeah, we're going to show you
something scary beat. Oh wow, that's cool. You did that joke twice,
and we're going to cover the whole trailer here. Because there's a different
thing I didn't like about it. Please bring it up. That's let's really
fuck. This trailer is fine, fine movie. Here's what bothered me.
They're going on, like his skin turned pale, his eyes froze over,
and they say he was literally scared to death. No, he fucking froze.
He fro death. That's not how phil X. Yeah. I mean
you just explained every step of somebody freezing to death, and you jumped to
an entirely different conclusion. This is why you think you were trying to frozen
with fear, and we're not clever enough to say frozen with fear to draw
these corollaries. It wasn't frozen with fear. It was frozen. Oh,
I understand what you're saying. But you know, they're like, like the
person was frozen with fear as a common trope, axiom, et cetera.
And they're trying to merge these things into a thing and what it is,
and they're trying to get it into the You're giving that face. You are
just staring at me. I know, I get what you're saying. That's
not what happened. Yeah, I know, I'm agree, But it was
even afraid of anything. I would agree. If Egan was still in this
movie, the trailer would have said so he so he was he frozen to
death with fear, and Egan would have said no, And then they could
have cut to the next bit of the trailer and I would have bought it.
But Egon is dead, and that's a tragedy. There's no one to
call these people out on their inaccuracies with that classic dead pan pedantry we know
and love. I don't think they have a new Egon character. It's that
little girl, but I didn't see her piping up. Well she was in
it, not yet. Yeah, she's letting them all talk. Shit.
We could have an entire like forced ghost Egon the entire movie, you know
what, just as you guys off with just a blue glowing Egon and Jedi
robes. Oh why not? Okay, other problems with the trailer, And
I don't know if this is a problem you were saying about the real ghosts
and being slightly dark and the whole urban fantasy thing. I think like two
people died in this trailer alone, like not even implied, you see their
corpses implied. Fucking loads of people died in this trailer there. And I'm
thinking, how many people died in the original Ghostbusters movie? None because they
were fun. Well, I mean when the when the ship was falling and
the and the and the and the the roads were crashing under you know,
there were other cars and things going on around, so you know how many
old people, like, no, you don't how many old people died when
the ghosts were going in departments, in and out of places, and that
one ghost is a taxi driver easily killed somebody. They were old people,
and they kind of that's fine, but yeah, you have a story.
Any you ever saw the corpses is what I'm saying. We saw them a
couple of you saw them freeze. What if at the end of the movie,
it's just like, oh, we have to use the fire of some
of of of a mcguffin to free them. And they're all like, oh
better, I'm I wasn't frozen, thank god, you know, and they
just I kind of help a think but that this would be again something Egon
would call bullshit. That's not how through my dynamics worked. Know, they're
dead, they've been for like eight days. They're brain death. They will
not come back, and so yeah, yeah, I guess trailer wise,
I didn't like the fact they used a big gas being nostalgia music. I
quite like there's some new Ghostbusters costumes there and that should sell some action figures.
I didn't like the fact that Patternel's well and Paul Rod seemed to be
the same character, cracking the same joke twice in one trailer that seemed lazy.
Big Ice Demon, He's not as fun as a stay Puff marshmallow man,
right, I'm sorry, you know, Like, yeah, well he's
better looking in Gozer. But Gozer itself was fun for the time. Uh.
I think it's it's because it's not really very original. I think there's
nothing about it as for about wow, this is something new and zany this
is I like a generic ice Demon. Well, if you have to draw
parallels, then it's like this is the vego To too. What Goeser too
was the goes Er want? You know, like if it's fun, it's
fun, I'll here's the thing. I will watch it. And you know,
I'm not I'm not against it, you know, And I don't mean
to be shitty, like I want to care and unfortunately I'm it's uh like
a lot of these burnout things, whether it's Star Wars, Star Trek and
Marvel and all these things, like I've reached that age where it's like maybe
I'm just too old and surly and I'm not the target audience anymore. Maybe
I'm not, But I've also it's kind of like you just get burnt out.
It's how much until you start like I need something a little new,
you know. I've started to wondering, like who to target audience actually is
except for people who don't really care. And maybe that's fine. Maybe you
can just shit out marshmallows and people eat them. That's fine. I gotta
watch it. I'm sure it will be fun movie. I don't care.
I if it didn't happen, I wouldn't care if they tomorrow said, you
know what, we've decided we're not going to release this movie. We're just
going to delete it for text reasons. I wouldn't care. Whatever. Yeah,
I'm waiting for the comfort back to the future, like back back to
the future. I'm waiting for like Marty McFly's kid to find a Dolorey and
like, did you know that we would just reboot that entire thing, but
not to speak it out loud unless the predators jump on it. Oh,
no, you've brought that into being, I expect. I don't think so.
Sure it's passed around O calus sacred, I don't know. I'm of
all the things. I think she'd have just been left the fuck alone.
Most of them have been duck up and fucked pretty hard. But I don't
know. Maybe they'll leave back to the future, or they'll wait for,
you know, one of them to die so there's less resistance in them.
Cgi them onto some man in a green suit. This is the Lloyd is
a dark brown AI you know, yeah, oh yeah, You'll be like
a oh god, it's gonna happen. It is. Yeah, they'll take
the theme tune, they'll take the car. They'll cast it with some absolute
cunts and they'll expect us to swallow this. You know what they'll do it.
They'll they'll take the the the Tesla cyber truck that is like failing and
like it came back into the news because it can't do anything, but it
still looks like a deloreate of its time. And make that the new thing.
Like you build a Tesla cyber truck because I could get one cheap at
this point, and like, yeah, we turned into a new time machine,
isn't it cool? And man, you can just dude, we can
write this right now. Holy shit, let's just pen this it just said
to me and make our money. Jesus Christ. The thing is, though,
if I had like fucking money to buy a stupid car, I'd definitely
buy that truck. That is the stupidest of stupid cuts. Well again,
speaking of not caring about things very much anymore, is anybody surprised at the
fact that the new Captain Marvel movie didn't do very well Marvel? Well,
that's it's going to be doubly surprising to you. Then. No. Uh,
I did not see it, and I after seeing the trailer when the
first release, And this is not a hate thing, Like I didn't hate
the first Captain Marvel, I nothing did. I three started. It was
like it was a perfectly adequate superhero movie. The movie to me, it
didn't stand out, it didn't suck. It just was. For some people
it meant more, but for me it was kind of average. When I
saw the trailer for the Marvels, it looked like a really high priced Mighty
More from Power Rangers, because everything looked really fake but expensive fake, Like
they're clearly fighting on a moon and bad guys are running out and looking like
the Putties, and it's just like it looked just fake, and I just
like, oh wa, Plus that's why I paid for it, right years
all the sixty days later pretty much, I kind of thought again, production
value has been down a little bit. It's difficult to complay because the first
movie came out between Infinity War and Endgame. It was never not going to
do good because the hype for those movies and the build up to them had
been fucking astronomical. And I don't like every Marvel movie before that, but
as part of a I guess a movement, a moment in time of cinema,
really fucking hard to top that entire run up to something that would have
been fought, almost fantastical that would ever be caught on film, the idea
that a fanboy would go from there were me spider Mans, which I thought
were great, to every single Avenger fighting this massive war on screen in a
genuinely kind of like, emotionally engaging climax worthy of and perhaps the passing some
of the great comic book storylines. It would have seemed ridiculous. So anything
after that is kind of a little bit of a damp scorp. There have
been some high lights, been some okay Spider Man movies when they got all
the kind of multiverse Spider Man's evolved, that was fun and Multiverse of Madness
had Sam Reimi directing it. A very flawed movie with some fun bits.
But every time I go and watch one of these things, it's like I
care less and less about grabbing the next one. I was. I agree
with you. I think my biggest complaints other than what you exactly what you
said. Full agree with you. Partly after during the pandemic, they didn't
want the machine to stop. You know, things had to for a period
of time. But this captains of industry need these things to go. So
I need to do a little bit of fact checking. But I'm ninety nine
percent sure when they were filming The Mandalorian because like, basically Georgia is Hollywood
East these days, the city of Atlanta it is Hollywood East because a lot
of movies are being filmed there. And in Atlanta they have these basically this
compound, this Disney owned compound, which is just a mega structure full of
green screens, and it's got a sound stage that you move props in,
move props out, and it's a mega wall of green screens. So they
could like using basically unreal engine like video game like technology, basically put the
map in behind people almost immediately so you know what it would look like.
And it became a production model of how to make things fast, bring people
in past their COVID test film, the principal photography in three weeks or less,
cg the shit out of it and crank out a product. And they
did it for a lot of Disney plushures. But they did it for a
shitload of the main Marvel movies, and unfortunately it looks like that. It
looks like thirty dudes fighting thirty dudes next to sixteen rubber rocks, and people
costume over and over and over like Falcon in the Winter. Excuse me,
what's it called? The Captain American Winter Soldier? When they're they shut on
an overpass in a city to have this big fight scene outside and they're on
a street and they're doing these things. When you're filming on location, it
you know this is a superhero movie. Yes, you know these have superpowers
and whatever. The shit great, But when you shoot real and at a
real place, your brain accepts it a little bit better. Yeah, But
when it's just I'm pointing in that way and I'm and it's just shit going
on around them, do you remember, Okay, back in like the eighties
and nineties, there's always a person driving a car having a conversation with somebody
and they're just literally driving a car like this with a steering wheel. Well
the green screens rolling behind them as they're in the car. Obviously the car
is not in motion. And you know, as TV's got better, you
could see how fake it looked, but you just kind of let it go
because it's like, you know, it's it's you know, that's what all
this feels like to me. It all of it feels like, yeah,
pantomime. Yeah, if you have to spend a shitload of money on CGI
before it looks good. It looks better than just a talent. It's center
photographer pointing at a real location. It takes so much more work. But
here's a thing. I don't think it's all that. I do think it's
a lot to do with that. But people watch those cw DC superhero shows.
Sure, I never they watch it for the cheese though. Now I've
never I've never looked at down for that looks great. I'll give that a
go. But they must be doing something right in other things for them to
forgive the fact that it really doesn't look very good. You tune into that.
For the melodrama. I mean, yes, the Phase four stuff,
in the beginning of Phase five stuff, most of it was subpar writing just
it just was okay, and it just wasn't nearly as fun. A lot
of New Order stories, some were good, some were bad, and some
were continuations of characters we don't care about because we haven't built up to them,
you know. Unfortunately, The Marvels is one of those those guilty things.
You know, it's the one girl show that the other girls from the
show, and the other girl was Captain Marvel that some people just don't like
because well, the shows have kind of been hitting on this, and I
mean sometimes hit and miss in the same Season one Division Yes just had dud
bits. Hawkeye had dud bit had fun bits. It had dud bits.
Loki had fun bits. I've heard Loki. Season two is good. I'm
definitely gonna watch it. I really enjoyed season two. Season one still had
kind of bits, whereas like this is just spin on, you know,
just kind of this is boring and feels like filler. This feels like swordhusted
in a burger. And I watched maybe one episode of the Miss Marvel Show,
and I for if I want Diary of a Wimpy Kid, I'll go
watch Diary a Wimpy Kid. This is this is not for me. This
is clearly not it's I didn't but I will give excuse me, I will
give that actress credit. Like she is excited to be there, and she's
she is like just like the guy, that young man of the British guy
who plays it's a spider man. I can't think of the actor's name,
Tom Holland she is excited to be there as he is. So that that
then joy is infectious like so it was like it's kind of like remember you
used to love writing before it beat you down. No, it's kind of
like that. You know. I've got to say I found the joy annoying
as I get it, you're excited to be here. I'm not. This
is getting on my tits a bit. But you're just a surly old man
at that point. Let the joy back into your heart, sir, with
your whole thing is like, oh, how exciting is this? And I'm
thinking not very thing. That is probably time for me to go to the
bar. But and that's fine again because I don't think that program was for
me, but I don't know. It's like, well, I supposed to
watch a movie that's got one foot in a show I thought was maybe fifty
percent good. One foot in the show I didn't get past one episode of
and one fit in a movie I thought was middling at best, up until
the point when they introduced that stupid fucking cat who took the coolest character in
the MCU Nick Fury scratched his eye out. Did Dick Free snap that cat's
neck? No? He didn't, And I just checked right out of the
whole fucking thing as soon as that happened. It was Yeah, I agree.
I even when I wrote my review of it way back when it first
came out, as like I said, I didn't hate it. It was
like a three out of five for me. But one of my one of
my detractors from that is in the early Marvel movies. And I know Bob's
like, fuck Marvel, I don't care, but it's, uh, in
the early Marvel movies, you take these characters, these leads, okay,
most of you said to at some point, most of the lead guys,
at least of the guys they're presenting. You laughed at them. Tony Stark,
you laughed at him trying to learn how to fly, he flew into
the ceiling and bunked his head, or he got stuck in these were positions.
Captain America doesn't know women is what fond dou is and he gets jumps
the grenade. You laugh at him. H Thorn gets laughed at, gets
a need on the ass and knocked out. This can go on, obviously,
star Lord, you laugh at these characters so you can like cheer them
on later. But the presentation of this Captain Marvel character is a lot like
Vin Diesel and a lot of his movies where he's he's not allowed to look
silly or lose a fight. And I find that type of presentation not fun
for me. I don't I don't care. I want a I want to
laugh at somebody so I can cheer them. But when they when they're just
it seems undefeatable. It doesn't, It doesn't, I know what you mean,
John Wickets, Yeah, she was power wise undefeeable, but it's also
like she was never rather than But I think they I think they've kind of
solved it in the next movie, which I'd be quite interested in. But
I do remember a good things about the movie. Actually that's the problem.
Everyone I know who saw the like I had fun, Like, that's fantastic.
I can't wait to have fun also in sixty Days. I'm I'm sorry.
I'm not paying twenty bucks for it. It's just not going to happen.
It's interesting. I do remember an endgame with Captain Marvel. She comes
down and Rocket Raccoon takes the piss out of a Rocket Raccoon takes to piss
out of everyone, and they just kind of let it happen because it's a
raccoon making funny of you. It's funny. He did it to Captain Marvel.
She had to add the last word in it. I was like,
you're the most powerful being in the universe. Just let the little raccoon make
fun of you. Give him a fucking line. But you're right. She
was just very kind of self serious. But it seems like that's something they've
addressed in the next movie, which I think so I cal Vin Diesel syndrome,
go back and watch All the Fast and Furious, and it's like everyone
else is laughing, being laughed at and having fun. But dom is never
the butt of the joke, and it's it's when he should ask, really
when he should because clearly everyone else is having a laugh at his expense and
he's not getting it. It's kind of like, as long as we're talking
about these movies, it kind of like the Sony movies, whether that's Madam
Webb or Venom or the Craven that's coming out, Like Venom made money because
it was stupid and everybody was laughing at it, and so Sony doesn't realize
that, like when they made Venom two and it made the profits, like
what happened, Like no, no, no, we didn't like it.
It's not good at it. It was it was funny. It was funny
for me to watch this, you know, it kind of served that's so
bad. It's good line, which is a difficult thing to do intentionally,
right. But Yeah, speaking of the MCU, I can say I'm not
really I'm not surprised by the doubt. I don't think that the quality of
Captain Marvel Too Slash the Marvels is probably what's wrong with the MCU at a
minute. I think this is just malaise from a series of missteps, boring
movies and cheapness well, there's also a loss of trust with the audience.
It's like, if you're going to offer something meaning uh, there's a a
there's a YouTube thing out there called film Theory and they put out a video
recently and they brought up the address a lot of these things. If you
keep offering your audience something, then you have to you have to return on
that investment. You know, they buy your books, they buy movies that
buy your product, and you keep teasing out plot lines. You have to
high quality podcasts for example. Yeah, yeah, you have to. You
have to like reward them eventually. You can't slap them in the face and
say no, nerd, you can't have this. Like they've been seizing the
X Men for years, but like, dude, like you bought them years
ago, and that's what people are waiting for, because if anything's going to
save Marvel, it's going to be the X Men, because beyond we all,
Like when I was a comic kid growing up, the Avengers were a
joke. Okay, they were a thing like X Men, where what everybody
wanted, and Marvel sold his rights off years ago. They had to turn
these these Avengers into heroes and they did good on roder Donna Junior's back.
They did well, did well. Yeah, yeah, but now it's like,
I want to see the X Men, a good x Men, not
the fox x Men. I want to see a quality made X Men product,
and they've been sitting on it for too long. Yeah, I mean,
i'd stay It's odd because at the time when X Men came out,
when the Toby McGuire Spider Man moves comes down, it was a seapair and
movie revolution is there were nowhere Nara swinging with the same amount muscle they have
behind. Now X Men two is still like I'd say, that's a turning
point movie. But and then X Men three turned it right around again unfortunately.
But yep, yeah, I'm not really interested. I've heard about the
secret scene at the end of The Marvels where it's oh, it's ceased from
the X Men. It's kind of like, you haven't really earned that,
So what if it's beast from the fucking X Men. All this multi fase
shit is starting to bum me out. You haven't. You're doing what DC
did where you think you can just pull a character out of your ass and
we'll go hooray. It's like, no, you've got to work this shit
up. You've got to build it up. You can't just go it's Beast
because any standard, if you're looking at it from the point of view of
a standard normy, even if they've watched all the Marvel main films, they're
going to go, Okay, who the fuck is Beast? I didn't watch
X Men Free, No one did. And no offense to Kelsey Grammar,
but Beast is like everyone's least favorite X Men. You know, it's like,
sorry, dude, my favorite X Men. Oh you're wrong on every
foot a mental level, like it's just like because he's Harry and has glasses,
I see what's going on power lifter frame glasses and Harry all right,
Well fine, if you have to see yourself on TV, you're one of
those people that's like, hey, that's sort when represent years old and that
is the man. I want to be eloquent plea again. Yeah, like
you did in the back in two thousand and four. Well, they see
the item this time, so I think you just did the voice. But
yeah, and I'm not. I'm not incredibly excited about that next phase.
I think is already pretty fucking messy. I think the whole multiverse thing lowers
the stakes a multiverse thing, it just feels Rick and Morty, and that
is a show about malaise, like a that's yes, the pressure that brings
yeah, exactly, like Rick as a nihilist, depressed ass because of the
infinite They've got to the point where people are saying like, oh, the
MCU is going to turn around because the new Deadpool movie has gone around,
and like, that's not the MCU. We fucked all this up so much
we don't even know what we're saying anymore. It's like, yeah, but
it's not part of that world, is it. You can't just say,
like, well, now that we've bought in Toby Maguire into this movie,
everything's the MCU. It's like, okay, well, if nothing matters,
that's fine, just say it. But it's it's you can just like,
well, you're gonna do You're going to take the Night Spider Man cartoon and
bring that in. You're going to take the actually that they did that across
a Spider verse like it was literally there in the background. Oh, I
didn't watch that the second one. Yeah, I've heard it's a good movie,
but I just I'm not interested in all this kind of endless fucking stir
egg rolling out. It's just it's not fun for me anymore. I'll tell
you what, have a couple of Beers and Watchers movies, and you'll be
surprised at actually how good. Like I'll say this the first one, the
good first the Spider Verse movie is like, actually my top my first one.
Yeah okay, yeah that one was my second one second one solid,
but warning it out, it's not a whole story because it's a two parter.
They didn't warn you going into that, and so there's it's not a
complete story, and it irks me. It was like, isn't it great?
Like the story's not over. It's cuts like at where like at a
halfway point, you know, like yeah, there's a whole other movie coming.
Well the fact is like, okay, so Venom that's now MCU,
I guess, and the Craven movie is going to be MCU. This Madam
Web thing is going to be MCU. They just keep on. It's I
remember, like I don't know if anyone remembers he Man figures, but they
were really fortunately I had a yeah, but what they ended up doing was
just go like we'll call this guy towhead man and he has a toe for
a head, and we'll just keep on pushing out all this extraneous stuff superheroes
in general. Yeah, forgetting about the like the cool characters that everyone cared
about. Then it got spread too thin and it becomes less of a well
that's everything. That's g transformers all. Yeah, I love you know,
or would they take they take things you already know, like he Man paint
and blue Faker because it's fake. He man, he's a clone and he
can sneak inside like well he's blue, yeah, but no one knows that,
Like he's fucking blue, Like I did not know that's a man.
Everyone could see he's blue like I'm ten years old, but I'm not a
morod. It's he man, he's painted himself blue. Wait a minute,
what is it? What is it like nav cosplayer? Was he going to
avatar this bullshit that it was fucking blue? I suppose he's only got a
full Orco who was a fucking idiot to be to be fair, that is
true. This cat, yeah and the cast he's got full a cat that
can talk and an Orco. That's fine. Yeah, I buy fake or
that's okay. Fair enough. I do feel it's being stretched a little thin.
I don't know if that's part of the reason I don't really care anymore.
It's like, remember we used to get like the Marvel versus Capcom games,
yep, And you're playing them and it starts off in the nineties and
you've got like maybe ten of each, and you think, wow, I
sure wish they would get this hero involved or this video game character evolved,
And then they do, and then they just add more and more and more
and more, until eventually you're not even having fun playing it. It's just
you have to scratch the urge of completionism and you start the model now,
like add things from everything, like add Omniman from Invincible, which some people
know about some people don't, you know. You know. I also feel
the same way about horror movies, because it's like when they start getting long
in the tooth and it's like Freddy nine, Freddie needs braces. I don't
know, like, you know, might need graces you but his buddy,
it's a manicure, Freddie's day off. What they didn't used to do and
what they've started doing now is like they do another it's another Halloween movie.
We're gonna get Mike Myers to go into space for whatever reason. But now
it's like, ah, we'll get the the guy who was the fourth person
who was killed in Halloween, and it will be his daughter. And I'm
like, leave it alone, man, Move the fuck off. You think
I know that person. They're all canons, they're all cannon father, you
think I know these people. I don't give a ship and I get I'm
getting the same with It's like, oh, it's Madam Webb. Remember Madam
Webb. It's like what from the nineties cartoon and maybe three episodes. Yeah,
but it's a beloved comic character. But she's also looks like Aunt Ma.
She's old as dirt. And you got the girl that played like this
fifty sees are gray in this, like like you didn't get an actor that.
People are like, oh boy, it's not Helen Mirron. It's not
like Blanchett. It's the girl from fifty Shades of Grey. I'm not saying
it can't be interesting, but even from the trailer, I'm thinking like,
oh, they've got that Spider person, and they've got Ezekiel from from that
brief comic book story which no one really remembers fondly and so you just you
just he hugged the giant spiritual spider. I think that ruined it for Yeah,
and you warned the hunter spirit was coming for him. See that also
redcom Peter's like history is like, oh no, it wasn't the radioactive spider
that bit you. It was the spirit of the great thing that was you
were meant to Like, yeah, they did. They did that for the
natural webs because that's what's happening with a movie at the time, which is
a bit cynical and shit, but I just feel like they're just shoving action
figures into things right now. They're just shoving action figures, I mean into
thee of a very thin plot. So right after Deadpool hit, I did
I wrote this, like, you know, this think piece because I went
back like looking at it, like once Deadpool hit. I enjoyed Deadpool and
Deadpool too. I enjoyed them for when they were but once you could just
start swearing all the time and being crazy, it's kind of like that's kind
of starting to break the mup mott of comic book movies, because comic movies
are a bit of things. Since like what nineteen ninety eight and Blade two
thousand and X Men and like so this has been like twenty four to twenty
five years of one medium being on top for a very long time. That's
more than war movies. That's more than westerns. That's more than sci fi.
You have the one offs, but like you would have that the spaghetti
western era was like, you know, ten or eleven years you had good
westerns and the spaghetti westerns. Then you would have like the war movies that
would go on and on and then like just stop because people got tired of
war and war profits you're life. You had sci fi movies would have these
little spikes of like good sci fi than its turns because they switched to television
nineties. Action Buddy Cop ruled for the nineties, you know, a good
ten years until it started turned into like Theodore Rex and Cop and a half
and you know, a cop and a dog, you know, and it
started the formula bird itself outs you had to add crazier and crazier things.
I mean, I think the Whoopi Goloberg was teamed up with with a dinosaur
and a Buddy Cop movie at one point. So definitely wreck the movies.
Yeah, that's called it exactly, but his thing, Buddy Coop movies can
still be done really fucking well like the nice guys. Well they can't,
they can't, but exactly. But it's it's that's the exception, not the
rule. When when you're finding one out, two out every year, right
like when John Wick hit was in the middle of Marvelmania and it felt so
refreshing just to have a guy shooting Russian dangers some people and yeah, it's
fine, right, but become the fourth one. I'm like, I don't
care anymore because it's not even about John Wick. It's about world building.
Every every new movie, it's just world building. Yeah, I would do
the same thing. That's the thing. If you said there again about kind
of breaking the movie, it is starting to feel to me like every time
I watch this ship, it's some kind of nerd based Where's Wolder? And
I don't really want to play that. That's okay in comics when you're kind
of you're buying twenty pages, you know, a fortnight or whatever. It's
fine. I'm going to see a movie. I want a complete product.
I don't want to be playing that Where's Wolder anymore? It's fun when they
started, when they were just little tidbits of red meat for the people who
are paying attention, but ninety five percent of it was for normal people.
That's when the best Marvel movies happened. And now it seemed to flip the
fucking formula around where everyone's like, oh, cool, they got the guy
from issue nine of a story no sane person has heard of, and that's
not a good reason to watch a movie, see now, Yeah, you're
right. They're not building towards anything. They haven't been for a while.
I think it was supposed to be Kang going forward to the actor got into
some pretty bad legal trouble. But one of the concepts there I think they
are building towards is called the Secret Wars, but not the original one from
the eighties, the other one. So it's like a multiverse versus multiverse war,
and on paper it's a good concept, like the fox X Men versus
our Avengers versus this, and they all have a just such a big fuck
all a battle royal kind of thing that could be cool in a book.
I don't know how that's gonna tange it because the sheer volume of homework you're
going to have to have done prior to that movie or that series or whatever's
release, or for people already complain right now that MCU is homework and I
I watch this stuff, but I don't. I don't look forward to it
anymore. There are very few things I'll look forward to anymore. And it's
it's more like it's on while I'm eating my dinner. That's like it's it's
spread a little thin, the shine's worn off it. It's kind of the
momentum of working up to end game, isn't there anymore. I don't know
I've got the energy to start another ten year endeavor even will you don't have
to. It's one of the scenarios that like, I don't. I mean,
we're all writers, and I don't know what you like to read in
your spare time. If there was a period of time it was a huge
urban fantasy guy loved him, consumed a lot of books. Then I just
burned myself out. I couldn't deal with another modern day blank, dealing with
monsters in blank. Despite even writing some of those books, I needed to
take a break because I just had to walk away from that genre because it
started starting the repeating patterns to the point like how many fantasies. I got
to a point. I used to read so much fantasy that as soon as
I saw some name with too many apostrophes in it, I closed the book
because I don't I'm not going to read the thought or some shit like that,
like two double consonants an apostrophe, Like you think that sounds clever,
and I'm sure it did, but not all my thousands of book I'm done.
I'm closing the book. I'm walking away. It's not your fault,
it's not you, it's me. And right and these and these and these
movies are very much the same thing as an audience. We're going to walk
They should walk away, they should say just cut it off, wait five
years and come back. But they're not going to. But your audience is
going to walk away. So now it's going to make the genre die.
And that's what happens to all the genres. That's what happened to Westerns.
It happened, buddy cop, it happened to us. I find you get
these off again. Yeah, that's the thing. The tragic thing is is,
as we're saying earlier, Westerns died even though Westerns were bigger than Marvel
movies ever were, but you still get great westerns. Once you get out
of the trap of having to overproduce and find new angles on the same concept
every single fucking six month period or whatever, you can start having fun with
them again or just returning to the basics. I don't know if we're going
to see that anytime soon with superhero movies or television, which seemed very trapped
in this kind of Hey kids, new Cape, and I don't really care.
So I guess I'm just on the same page as Bevin when we started
this podcast. So it's all comfortable circle welcome, because I want to care.
I will forever be that kid who like who couldn't wait. You know,
it's like modern nerds have it better than a lot of his older nerds
who like remember back in like it wasn't cool, you know, like no
matter what Keaton's Batman says, you know, like in nineteen eighty nine,
like it was not cool to walk around with the Batman shirt on. Ever
until like two thousand plus, you know, like it was like I played
dungeons and Dragon was not the vagina mag that you think it might have made.
So uh or even or for the girls played the India a dick magnet.
Point is like it's it was not cool that absolutely in a way it
kind of was a dick magnet, you know. And uh so like I
I will forever be that kid who grew up at that time, and like
a lot of this is the ship I always dreamed of happening. But now
my dream is like I kind of want to wake up now because the dream
has been going on for so long. And I'm like, yeah, yeah
cool I yeah yeah yeah Wolf Wolverine, no gam Bit, no one likes
you. No one's ever liked you. Go away. It's like saying,
I don't know. It's like wishing for a man. I wish I had
a tap in my bathroom which gave me chocolate, ice cream and beer.
And then like after ten years of again this was a fucking terrible idea.
Ex Once once out, once your kidneys feel and diabetes to take on your
foot, You're like, maybe this this was a bad choice. It's like
I can't even brush my teeth about throwing up anymore. I get winded brushing
my hair now, So it's yeah, and to be honest, going a
little bit that way with Star Wars too. I didn't watch a Shoka.
I don't think I will. I watched or like Dandor, but did I
do not like and Or if it felt to me like it was a good
series didn't really have to be Star Wars there. That was my whole thing.
You know. It's like it's like a It's like a poor man's Blade
Runner. Here's the thing. And I don't I don't mean to be shitty
to Star Wars and I said in the past, but like I love the
idea of Star Wars. I love the idea of mystical and technological But once
you remove the Force, you have a very boring, boring sci fi universe.
Once you remove the Force in Jedi and Sith, you have a boring
universe. I think the Mandalorian did a good effort in trying to bring that
universe to life. I do think it kind of tape it off because of
the little Yoda kid who's got the Force, you know, and magic.
You know, they did the kind of there was good pace. I like
the Mandalorian no, because it was run like a Western at seasons it's fine,
yeah, nice little adventures every week. Guy's got lasers. No,
baby's got magic powers. It's not the left. But I will say that
a lot of what's been going on with Star Wars movie wise and other stuff,
it's kind of made me nostalgic for the prequel trilogy. And if we're
nostalgic for the prequel trilogy, we're in fucking trouble. It's because that was
not good. No, it wasn't. That was written. There's a great
thing out there, like it's basically the history of like the first Star Wars,
like whatever George wrote and takes all this credit for, and I mean
grant, I'll give the man his credit. He's made his money, he
made his fortune, made his life. But the movie he wrote and the
movie he shot was saved because his ex wife was his editor and she turned
it into Star Wars before it was a new hope. Like what's her name,
Marcia Lucas, I think her name was, Like they eventually divorced because
his work ethic, but she edited it down because there were pages of dialogue
of like of Obi Wan Invader have this back and forth. It was really
stilted and bad because you know, George is not a great dialogue writer.
He doesn't like me. By his own admission, he likes technology. Yeah,
and for anybody who wondered why Biggs only comes in right at the end
of the third act, he was there at the beginning. There's a whole
scene with him explaining why the Empire is bad. Turns out, we just
we watched him blow a planet up, and that's fine, we understand it.
The Empire is not good. Didn't really need some guy of a mustache
explaining space politics to his and George space politics. That was exactly exactly you
know. So now the other thing is that again, when you look back
at your whole work, obviously the kiss between Luke and Lea before you before
you ever wrote they were siblings. Yeah, before the Lanister lust of Game
of Thrones made it cool. You had this going on. Cool according to
the port Hub algorithm, everybody loves it. H Yeah, but you had
a situation anyways. But when you look at it, like you want Darth
Vader to have a redemption act, okay, you want him to be at
the end and like save his son and he gets to show up as a
blue ghost. Remember that time he murdered children, Remember that time he blew
up a planet. Remember that time he tortured his daughter, but he saved
his son once and he got into Jedi heaven. That's all. It takes
man like cools. At the end, those children were annoying and they weren't
very good. Drip Jedi said, they weren't. They weren't exactly. I
just want one kid, like, oh not today, motherfucker, and just
just one kid, all right. He gets a scar down his face and
how he's like he's a horrible bounty hunter like that. That'd be great.
Yeah, an actual worthy Jedi, but instead of a dead kid. But
yeah, I guess, uh yeah, I mean the prequels. I mean
prequels had some fun parts, except for the episode one, which is just
fucking so bad. No, it had one of the door the face.
It had a great moment between the three way fight with what does red face
thank you? It's fucking great, Yes, and I got to give it
credit. Everyone says, well, Star Wars was saved. He had in
the editing most movies are and will say it's the aesthetic of what George Lucas
was trying to do, the charisma of the cast, the eternally fantastic sound
effects and also soundtrack there's a lot that made stuff was great, right.
The writing probably wasn't most of it. I think if you get James L.
Jones to deliver a line, you could just far on a keyboard and
it's going to sound great. But I don't know. I guess fart or
a keyboard you could do it. But it's I don't know. There's a
reason we still talk about those movies with funness. And I don't know if
anyone's people are saying it's fine, it's a good TV. I don't know
if anyone's going to really remember Ahsoka. See I watched. I watched Ahsoka
and it was fine. There were parts were really good and some parts that
were painfully slow. And if you did not watch the animated show Rebels,
most of it's going to go over your head. Most of these characters,
they present them in a way as if you should already know who they are.
But these are all characters from Rebels and Clone Wars. So if you
don't know that the thal that day fault, that these these live action characters.
And this is one of the few times I look at Rosario Dawson like,
man, you are not nailing this. You are just kind of like
going through emotion like it's your bored and or you're trying to be aloof but
it comes off as just yeah, it's it's it didn't work. No,
a lot of your characters were cool, and some of the fight scenes were
cool, and you know, I like, again, the aesthetic of the
world is always cool, you know. I like how the Star Wars world
looks old technology click clack buttons and stars. It's like a world in distant
future which for some reason still has great y VHS effects on their holograms.
I like that, but but yeah, I just I've got to say I'm
not excited for it. It's like when I hear about Star Wars video game
in the early two thousands, it would be like, oh, it's nice,
it's still going it's probably not going to be a great game, and
I'm probably not gonna queue up to buy it, you know. And that's
how I feel about I guess any Star Wars released since demand great Star Wars
video games though, Like now that I think about it, Like Tales of
the Bounty Hunter are really good, and I did, but I played like
Jedi Knight religiously for a while until my people love connection away from me.
But the thing is, when it came out, it wasn't the same for
me as like as a Star Wars movie coming out. You know, that's
always kind of going to be. It's to me was always the purest form
of what Star Wars is. So back then it was kind of like,
yeah, there's a Star Wars Flight seem strategy game. Cool. Great,
I'm not that excited. It's kind of just how I feel about Asoka,
or like if they made another Ewok movie, you know, they were they
were free wants actually, Like remember the Ewoks are like cannibal mediators. They
were trying to eat those people. So show me that. You know,
when they did like a ha Evan of Courage or whatever it was, they
made the even lame like they should have eaten those children. You know that's
I watched. Yeah, exactly, give me some Stormtroopers, you know absolutely,
yeah, I mean they were gonna eat Layer, but then who wouldn't.
But yeah, give me a horror movie with the Ewoks. Yeah,
that could be fun. You know, you know what, that's not a
bad idea. Some random person lands on that planet and it's like every time
you turn around, like you're like like Oh, it's a sweet thing.
And they're like they come at you like like critters and just tear you around,
like yeah yeah, they're dancing around your skin. Yeah yeah. But
even then again that's like that's me joking around. But it's the kind of
thing like this. I just noticed some right is just locked in a room
somewhere by some executive producers saying, we fucking need something ice, We've got
a far out some Star Wars product twice a year for the rest of our
lives, or Disney will kill our families. It's kind of what it feels
like, dude. All it does because it's it's no longer an event.
It's a product, and it's a product that people know they're trying. It's
like a lifestyle brand like Fighter, Star Wars, merch watch the shows,
buy our gear, you know. You know, it just is, you
know, and it kind of always has been. I mean, George has
been pimping the Star Wars toys all his life. So there's never not been
a time that Star Wars has not had a toy out or a lego or
something. True, but at least they had some decent movies to back them
up. By Will Fare I do think the main problem is it just what
these things were were lightning in a bottle. They were special, and they're
not really special anymore. They're just, like you say, kind of a
cultural lifestyle thing. It's what you do. You go watch a Disney Print
Says movie, you go watch a Star Wars movie. It's the done thing.
Really interesting, Rave write write me the you know, the Princess Bride
prequel, where like like show me Wesley on the High Seas learning to be
a dread pirate Roberts. I watched that. I don't get that's getting for
a movie. These things the sound like, these things sound like great ideas
from a storyteller perspective, because you'd love to get your hands on that ship.
But when you think of the tone of that movie and when it was
released and how it landed again, it's lightning in a bottle. I think
it's just some things we should just leave where they were. We can still
watch them. They stand up. Now. I've been I've been burned by
this modern audit. Like, I'm sorry, I agree with you, but
part of me is also like, you know what, there's money to be
made, so fuck you cocaine and let's just go into a room and right
the like the dread Pirate Roberts movie. Yeah, like, you know,
let's dig up that corpse and strap on a condom. It's no way I'm
putting a raw dog about, not even a briat like it wi't know what
hit him. I will have the scenes where he's just getting beat up on
the deck every night and keel hauled, and then eventually, like it gets
it gets better and better, he has to start a mutiny and then,
like the other dread pirates, gives them the man's oh my god, it
writes itself red, giving it away for free. Oh they I've already I've
already accepted the high powered Hollywood executives listened to this podcast and steal our idea.
That's true. Con't be helped. Worry about that. Yeah, okay,
any fine, is there anything you're excited for? Sorry, I no,
I've been watching a couple of things. I watched that, uh the
Pirate show, Our Flagman's Death. That was fun. Yeah, it was
a lot of fun. And yeah they're talking about season three. I'd like
that to happen. Of course, it's gonna have to veer even farther from
the the true story that those men do not have long careers. Yeah,
okay, nobody cares bad Brave Heart wasn't real, No cares. But well,
I've been watching Upload on Amazon. It's a cute little sci fi comedy
season one and I watched season two, but I I started watching three.
I watched the first episode and I stopped, and I came to this realization.
I only liked it when it was a story inside the uh, the
afterlife, and when it's taking on the Evil Corporation, I don't care anymore
because everything's after the Evil Corporation. Now that I'm starting to root for the
Evil Corporations because that storyline's been beaten to death, I'm starting to cheer for
the Big Corporation because it gets Consciousness uploaded. Yeah, like three or maybe
three episodes of that. It's cute. It's not like it was cute.
It was a comedy. It's cute. It's got a nice cast. But
I quite like it because it's I think it's pretty decent. Siphi exploration,
Dude, I want that phone? Are you kidding that? I want that?
There's so much fucking detail in the in the world building, there.
It's like a really well realized sci fi future scenario. They throw like a
few odd things in there because it's funny. But I don't know, I
like it. It's a nice vibe. It's cute, it's funny. I
can that ginger kid who's like all the extras in the background he's doing he's
doing the yeoman's work there, So good on him. They're a nice cast.
It's fun. Trying to think of anything else I'm watching that. I'd
recommend just started watching season two Invincible, Yeah, more Invincible season right now?
How is that? Everyone swears it's the best thing evers. Okay,
it's the best. It's pretty good. Wow. Well, it's like one
of those like it's like few things. It's like when some people who like
love Breaking Bad and I I do. I've got my thoughts on Breaking Bad,
but I love it. Uh, but people are saying, oh,
this is like it's that same kind of dark meaty. You get into it,
you feel sinister and like succession is great. You know, I don't
know if people are saying this, but it's the dark arrested development. Oh
really, okay, you've sold it to me? Yeah, exactly, well
done. Sir, okay, cool, Well, I'll watched that. That'll
be the thing I watch is that. Everything I'm watching right now is just
kind of reliable ship that I'm not overly excited about new Rick and Moy.
Yeah, it's just Rick and Moy. It's just something you can just know
what to expect to make your laugh. Ye, I watched it. I
watched it. I mean, the third season of Reservation Dogs was on Hulu
and I truly love that. Showed a few episodes of that as well.
Couldn't get into it, can't get into it. I love it. It
really works for me. That's a that's a beautiful one that I love and
I watched that show. Want a Max a Scavenger Rain the animated show.
Uh I never heard of that. Basically people stranded on an alien planet trying
to serve and it's it looks like a studio Ghibli type of anime, but
it's it's patient, it takes its time that the world is weird. It's
got a lot of good reviews. I I enjoyed it, but I'm not
God God like everybody else's. It was good, but I'm not like similar.
It's only nine episodes, but Smiling Friends. I just saw that that
was a lot of that Smiling Friends Pluto on Netflix only, even though I've
only watched a couple of it. It's kind of like a revisit of a
nineties retro style anime. Ah. It's good. It's good writing, it's
good direction, it's fun. I'm trying to recommend things because I realized that
all we've really done for about a hour now is just sh yes, yeah,
exactly, yeah. I would act to know that I actually watched things.
Did you ever watch Yellow Jackets, Bob? I pitched you to this
at the car? Did you ever get around to watching that? No?
And I forgot about that? Okay to care mount plus maybe I don't know.
I had stretch. It's a phenomenal show. It's like this girls soccer
team that crashed in the woods in the mountains in the nineties and things got
real dark. So it shows them then and them like twenty five years later.
So you have adult actresses and the kid actresses playing the various timelines and
you see them what happened, how their lives turned out because they eventually got
rescued. The well, it's a flash back and forward show. So some
didn't make it out some did. I mean, like they're like, it's
still in the woods, swing talking to them. Was there something like that,
there's kids you got? Is there something supernatural? Did they go Cannibal?
Did they go Lord of the Flies? You know, because the survivors,
who the few survivors that there were there are are very close lipped about
it, and they pretend not to know each other, but they all still
talk to each other and they're trying to like, don't we can't talk about
we can't talk about so their lives are all fucked up, but it's you
see the fallout of these things, and he flashed back to when they actually
crash what they had to do to survive. So it's it's a really well
done, really well done show. Anytime you get to see Christina Ricci play
as a psychopath always great, So high recommend, Like, there's two seasons
right now and it's both they're both really good. Well, I would recommend
for the audience, given that we are facing a malaise in popular entertainment,
just keep on tuning in to them podcasts, specifically this one. We'll join
you next week with an episode of Quest for Confidence. Until then, I
feel like there should be a fanfare there or something I could edit one in,
but I'm very lazy. So listeners, I invite you to use your
imagination and instead of in that awkward silence, yeah, next week episode quest
Confidence, after that, more side quest and will We'll keep on doing that,
so enjoy it. Fuck television podcast wherever, Goodbye, bye bye friends.
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