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Off a weekend that has seen Oh
What a Bomber and cancelation for the English

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Heavyweight Showdown the Contenders Showdown between Anthony
Joshua and Gillian White. A weekend that

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has seen Jake Paul get a victory
overneath Nate d As not unexpected in the

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boxing match. In the MVP promotion's
main event in Dallas, Amanda Soronto defended

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her titles. We're ready to recap
it all for the weekend. Give you

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a little news, give you a
little nostalgia. Welcome in. It is

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the Fight Freaks Unite recap podcast.
I am the somewhat competent host, T

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J. Reeves. He is our
insider. Hello, Dan Raphael. Fight

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Freaks Unite is your substack big fight
Weekend dot com insider. How are things,

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my friend? Everything good? Happy
Sunday in the dog days of August.

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Yes, indeed, and again we've
got some fight news. We've got

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the recap of the Pole Diaz fight
where a thirty nine year old Nate Diaz

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hung in there. That's about the
best thing you can say for that thirty

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eight thirty. I thought he is
he thirty nine soon? He's not thirty

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nine yet. I know he's thirty
eight. That's what matters. It's thirty

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eight, and I do know that
Jake Paul had him by at least a

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decade. So we're gonna get into
that fight and recap it. And Amanda

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Serano looked good as expected, although
that that fight was very one side.

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We're gonna get into all of that. Some fight news involving Mike Tyson says

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he's training someone. There's a tease
for that. Um, So we have

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a lot to get to here on
the program. Again, a reminder,

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however, you found us, thank
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Spotify. We're out with the preview
going into the weekend Thursday night into Friday.

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On this podcast feed. We are
back with the Fight Freaks Unite recap

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that comes your way on the Sunday
evening Monday timeline. As is the case

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here, however, you found us
on that all right, So there is

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one piece of business here that we
have and we're gonna do this officially live

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to tape right now, Brother Ray
feel and I'm going to declare the winner.

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So this is how Dan doesn't know
what I'm doing this is how we're

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going to do it. At random. We asked you to rate us and

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review us and take a screenshot of
it. We were bribing you. Essentially.

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Ray Field likes it when we tell
the truth. We were bribing you.

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Rate us, review us, and
we got a really cool random draw

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gift, which is the program correct
we were spangling. We got the program

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for Spine Crawford that is going to
go to somebody here at random in just

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a second that rated us and reviewed
us and send us the screen shot so

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that we could find you at a
later date. Very imputed detective work on

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that, brother, ray Field.
And by the way, the program is

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really cool, and I'm not just
saying that because I wrote most of it.

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Not only is it the program from
one of the biggest fights of our

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generation in terms of historical significance between
Spans and Crawford, with a Hall of

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Fame performance from Terrence Crawford, but
the program comes inside and it's easily removable

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because it just comes on like a
little sticky thing. On the glossy pages

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is a four car panel of four
different cards. Errol Spence, Terence Crawford,

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No, Needo, don't air who
Box on the undercard his actually his

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rookie card, believe it or not, even though it's the end of his

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career essentially, and also Isaac Pitt
Bull Crew is his rookie card. And

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they are they're perforated and you can
either break them apart if you show desire,

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you can leave them intact as a
panel. They're official because they're you

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know from the promotion that that that
you know, had the program produced PSA

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grades them if you so desire.
Anyway, it's a really cool thing,

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and they're they've got some value.
But I just love them because it's a

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great set. And uh, that's
like a bonus that comes in the program.

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So someone's gonna get a really sweet
item. So this is a cool

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thing. So right, I almost
don't want to give it away through well,

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but you have one for yourself.
I mean I do know that you

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got one for yourself. So now
we're giving one of the peeps. We've

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been pledging to do this and we're
about to do this live. So what

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I have it again, I'm gonna
go by my camp one. Bah blah

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blah blah, blah blah blah blah. I got seventeen seventeen of you that

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followed the instructions and took the screenshot
of your rating in review. Now,

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if you did not take a screenshot
where we could find you, thank you

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for reviewing us. But if Detective
Reeves can't find you, then I can't

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put it in the hopper. It
does me no good that you are Alexis

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ARGUEO fan twenty three or whatever on
social media to find you. So these

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are the seventeen that I can find. Dan has no idea because he cannot

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see the list. So all I'm
gonna say to you sorry. I mean,

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I know some of the ones that
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you don't know what you don't You
don't have any idea what order. You

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can't see what I'm doing. And
I know it's unfair when we do these

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random things, because psychologists will tell
you that most of the time, you're

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not going to pick the first number
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a list. So I'm sorry upfront, at random if you're one or if

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you're seventeen, and I don't know
who that is. So Raphael, I'm

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pretty confident, is not going to
give me one or seventeen point blank.

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Give me a number a number right
now between two and sixteen. Give me

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a number seventeen. You're gonna wait, You're gonna go against me after I

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just said that on purpose? All
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looking at is Mark Keison, Naso
and brother Rayphel. You're gonna see this

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because I'm gonna show it to you
that it is legit. There's his name.

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There's number seventeen. Mark Keison Naso, who rated us and reviewed us.

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I don't know if I have the
date on when he did it.

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He paid Social tagged us on July
twenty, j twenty. If he's social

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tagged us, he rated us and
review us said, my favorite podcast,

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Dan Rayphel is fantastic, he says, teach about us to downplay his bio

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blah blah blah. So Mark Keison, Naso or Naso, you are the

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random seventeenth name. And Rayphel had
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I was picking, or who was
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There? It is at random and
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as we can see each other on
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Ray Fiel. I'm gonna get you
that out. No We just have to

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make sure that our winner touches base
with you, not with me, and

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gives you his address so I can
when I Otherwise you will be sending the

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program to Loots, Florida, the
northern suburb of Tampa where I live,

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and I will collect the program.
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if I have that right, or
Marcus on NASO, if I pronounced it

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correctly, you are our random winner. You followed directions along with sixteen others.

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We just drew you at random.
Ray feel again had no idea of

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the order of the seventeen. He
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know a famous seventeen. Who's a
famous seventeen? Maybe sports? I don't

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even know. But Mark Keison or
Marcus On, you're the winner of the

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Aerospans program at random from us on
the Fight Preaching IPI, we already have

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a winner. We're five minutes into
the show and somebody's already a winner.

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So there you go. Congratulations.
Keep rating us and reviewing us, especially

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on the Apple podcast platform. We
didn't have to well hear this, and

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or you're going to reach out on
the social post or however direct message him

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get them get the address. Yes, and sometime, you know, when

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I get around to the next week
or so, we'll get it out to

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you, beautiful. And that joins
other winners. Edree, our buddy entered

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in California. What is it?
Homer, who's the lawyer in washing DC?

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He won, and forgive me we
had another winner. I want to

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say, Scott in Nebraska. Maybe
it's wrong. Whoever the fan is in

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Nebraska? You also won. We're
giving stuff away here is part of I

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mean, we've given away some cool
stuff, and ess I think this is

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probably the best thing we've given it
away. You ask me, it's a

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pretty cool thing. Although I'm partial
to my Tyson Holyfield hat because there's not

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a lot of those floating around that
had never been worn before from the ninety

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six first fight Tyson Holyfield one.
My man Homer got that hat. So

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bravo. So Markison or Marcus Son, Congratulations, we'll get in touch with

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you. You've won the program right
off the top on the show, Did

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you like how I started with something
cheery and butter. I hope when he

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gets it he'll do what our other
winners have done, which is also take

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a picture posted on social like they're
sitting on the couch reading their program or

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whatever. So we can make selfie
everybody that you won courtesy of the Fight

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Freaks to Night Recap Big Fight,
we can podcast be so you like how

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I started with something cheery on the
program. Now we got to go to

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the downer. We'll get to the
review of the Jake Paul fight card in

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the win over night Diaz lo and
behold, Saturday morning. I'm going about

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my business. You're going about your
business. It's a Saturday. We're getting

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ready for fights that night later that
night, and suddenly there's an announcement from

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match Room Boxing. How about Dillian
White admitted in his social media post later

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he didn't know this until match Room
sent that out. He didn't know that

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the fight was off. How about
that? So, I mean, the

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fight is off, and what a
surprise. And I'm gonna be a little

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strong with this, but go ahead
in just second. What a surprise that

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a clown that's failed two previous drug
test has failed another drug test, his

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third, and the fight with Anthony
Joshua is now off. The debate now

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becomes can Joshua find another opponent?
You're about to give us inside on that.

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But first your reaction that we're trying
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relax and we got this go ahead. I mean, the main thing is

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just disappointment and unfortunately not not always
a huge surprise when these things happen because

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Dad's boxing. I mean, not
everybody uses peeds, but unfortunately many of

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the fighters do, and some of
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And Dylan White got caught. It's
the third time. So, as I

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have said in the past, you
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and there's maybe a reasonable excuse,
somebody gave you something, you took it

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by accident, there is that contamination
does exist. You know, maybe you

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just did it and you realize you
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I mean that all that is fine, and you pay your pricing,

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you move on with your career in
your life. I get that. The

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problem is when it becomes a trend. So one time I don't approve of

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it, but I can kind of
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you have a second one happened,
and then you're like, oh, man,

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did you don't like you didn't learn
your lesson the first time. Then

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then it happens a third time,
and you're like, you're like a serial

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cheater, because if you look a
look at Dillian White's track record, you

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know you have to go way back. First of all, in twenty nineteen,

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he had the test that was a
failure against when he was getting ready

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for a fight with Oscar Revis,
where it was discovering a few days before

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that for a steroid called Theanna ball
Ucod actually ended up letting. They had

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a hearing emergency hearing, They did
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the fight went forward anyway, and
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contender, he tested positive for a
stimulant whose name I'm not even going to

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try to pronounce it as so many
letters, and that was a post fight

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drug test conducted by Yucat after he
scored a knockout victory. This is as

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a younger fighter on the way up. He actually did take a two year

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ban for that situation, so he
was punished for that fight. He was

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not really punished in any meaningful manner
for the twenty nineteen drug tests. Remember

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the twenty nineteen drug test was he
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WBC's interim heavyweight title holder when that
happened. He ultimately was reinstated when he

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got off on the technicality because the
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not having that belt. Once the
UCAD people let him off and he was

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good to go, so again sort
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the technicality, which he ultimately lost. But anyway, now here we go

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with the third one for a substance
which we're not sure of because that has

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not been an ounce I've been trying
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the details of it. Hopefully I
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day or too. It's a little
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of folks aren't really you know,
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or checking their text. In any
event, it's a huge disappointment because the

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year you had maybe not the greatest
matchup in the world, but a rematch

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of a real fun fight with Anthony
Josho, who was looking to use this

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as a fight to springboard himself into
a fight at the end of the year,

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early in January or early next year
in January against Deante Wilder in a

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huge fight. It messes up Natchum's
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in the UK on his own obviously
the rest of the world that was a

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regular event. But still they're trying
to keep it together. Now, by

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the time people listen to this on
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on Sunday night or you know,
we're taping it Sunday evening Eastern time.

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it'll be the afternoon in the UK
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the UK folks, to the matchroom
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opponent to keep this card alive.
I was told that on Sunday they have

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been notifying and talking to some people
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from places other than England that they
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to the UK. So they're trying
to get this thing where they're going to

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be able to still have the event, whether it winds up still as a

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pay per view. If they have
this seriously downgrade the opponent. You know,

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all that remains to be seen,
So it's still a fluid situation.

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But I know they don't want to
lose the date. They got a lot

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of other fighters, you know.
That's what I always felt bad about TJ

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is when something like this screws up
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look, I'd like to see Joshua
get his fight. It I'm not worried

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about josh from a financial standpoint.
The guys made hundreds of millions of dollars.

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You know, he's a wealthy guy, fair enough, But all these

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other folks on the undercard, they're
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how they make their living, them
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the people that that depend on these
events going forward. So they're all in

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a jam. You got Matrium that's
been working their ass off for this event

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for however many months, try to
get everything start away, and you got

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a you know, a positive drug
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So hopefully by the time people listen
to this, they'll have sorted it out,

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they'll found another opponent, and they'll
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event. But Dillian White you know, I'll give him the opportunity to make

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his case and listen to what he
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that just sounds terrible, as is
this third one. He made a cookie

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cutter, you know, sort of
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I'm devastating. I had no idea. Blah blah blah blah blah. The

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dog get my homework, all right, So more on the scenarios and what

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might salvage it in just a second. But let's just finish up on Jillian

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White. First of all, this
is rather obvious, and we are going

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to bag on him. When you're
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you don't get to benefit of the
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he doesn't get it again here uh
and again his his behavior has been clown

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behavior. Now going back to when
he bagged the fight with Otto Violin and

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was acting like it was a shoulder
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which shoulders hurt. And he's making
h you know, making it that

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it's an injury and we knew it
wasn't an injury. He was trying to

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fight Tyson Fury and signed that fight
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the promotional part at the beginning of
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And here's more clown behavior again doing
it. It's probably I'm just speculating.

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It's probably a weight loss drug where
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You would think that he got cut, but that he got caught with We'll

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find could it could be, it
could be, it could be anything,

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but I'm just gonna speculate. I'm
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He's trying to cut weight, and
that's what others have had trying to

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lose some weight. If you're thirty
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to do it more rapidly and get
in better shape and got caught. We'll

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see, We'll see what it is
and what comes to me. Look,

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his history is it tests. One
was for us steroid, one was for

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a stimulant. So you know,
I don't it doesn't whether it's a drug

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that would help him lose a few
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if you're a heavyweight, it doesn't
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fight. I don't to me,
it's not even really relevant what it is.

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I mean, I'm just curious frankly
to know. If it's a stimulant,

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then often weight loss related. If
it's a steroid, that's not necessarily

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weight loss related. So I mean, who gives a ship what the substance?

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And here all the other and here's
the other important thing too. This

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was a VADA test correct clarify for
me, which means that is different than

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the UKad testing and in terms of
who does it, who handles it or

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whatever, because the UKOD part of
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ago where they were trying to do
the appeal and slide it through and it

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was only when the media found out
that the firestorm started a couple of days

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before the Connor Band Chris Eubank thing. But the VADA thing, they couldn't

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slide it through to the UK.
What happens is the VADA test happens,

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and when the results look when people
have to understand about VADA, it's not

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they don't make the rules, they
don't punishments. They test, you know,

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they collect a sample, they send
it to the proper labs. They

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take care of the results as far
as you know, noting them and then

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they don't make a statement, don't
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to do the testing and notify their
clients of the result. And when the

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test comes back, whatever it is, negative or positive, they notify the

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people who are supposed to be notified, which typically would be the boxer and

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their team, meaning the promoter.
There's a designated person to receive it on

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behalf of the fighter, usually a
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like that. They notify both sides. They notify the Association of Boxing Commissions

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about as United States Company, and
they also notify the regulatory agency in the

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country in which this takes place.
So they notified the British Board and that's

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who gets to the results. So
we still don't know that the substance.

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You know. Somebody asked me like, well, when are they gonna announce.

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Well, they're not going to announce. It's gonna be up to some

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people like myself. We're gonna dig
and call and harass, you know,

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not harass, but you know,
it kind of twist arms a little bit

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to try to find out what it
is and maybe get the paperwork or somebody

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that had it is going to leak
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I hope for. That makes a
lot easier. Or Gillian or another scenario,

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Gillian White will say, this is
what they told me I tested positive

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for, and I and I believe
it was in contaminated food or drink.

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That's another current lie and shirk of
responsibility. You know I had tainted I'd

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had tainted meat, I had attainted
what was one attainted tea? Or maybe

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he'll admitting what it was. This
is more about Anthony Joshua. Okay,

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this is about him, so his
schedule so he can get ready for a

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wilder fight. All on that point. Absolutely, is your belief he's trying

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to fight come next Saturday? Or
is your belief right now? And again

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subject to change here in the next
let's say twelve to thirty six hours,

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that they're just going to have to
move on rather than find him a last

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minute opponent. What's your belief from
what you're hearing? Because some I mean

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I wrote this when I wrote the
story Saturday, would say, okay,

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why not fight Philip Hergovich, who's
the number one IBF guy. But that's

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complicated and Hergovich may not want to
do that, and Hergovich may want more

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money. It's not even about me. It's not that. It's not that

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easy. I called Hergovich is a
manager, Keith Connelly one hundred percent.

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Hehrgevich is not fighting josh or Or
That is not happening, So forget about

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that. It's a good matchup and
it's interesting, but both guys have too

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much to risk on taking that fight
on short notice for money that's not gargantelin

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so Hrgevich has scheduled to fight on
the undercard against Demsey McKean. He is

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sitting there with the number one position. He is the IBF mandatory challenger.

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That fight is due next after Dubois
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which takes place on August twenty six. Krgovich is not gambling. I mean

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he's gambling it because he's gonna fight
against McKean, and if he loses,

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obviously there goes to mandatory. But
it's a big difference fighting McKeen than fighting

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Anthony Joshua so and the same goes
for Joshua. He's not gambling a gigantic

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you know, tens of millions of
dollars fight against Deontay Wilder in Saudi Arabia

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to fight the underfea the Olympic medallists
undefeated big power punch er Pheliphergovich on less

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than one week's notice. So that's
not happening. Whether they can get one

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of the other a heavyweights on the
undercart into that fight or they find somebody

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else remains to be seen. So
you ask me, what do I thinks

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happen. I know Matchroom from what
they have told me, is endeavoring to

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find a replacement opponent to fight Josho, whether it's from one of the four

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heavyweights that's on the undercard or some
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They're trying. Whether it actually happens
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and I don't think they have any
idea. So we're all gonna have to

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like roll with the punch. So
if you're time, it's out correct clarify.

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Is Kergovitch training in the United States
or is Hergovich old in Europe?

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Or what do you know? Hergovitch
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My understand hold on, hold on, I am told that on Sunday

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afternoon or early evening Ronnie Shields,
Kergovich and their team boarded a plane in

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Houston en route to the UK Okay, so that's where I was coming.

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You knew where I was going with
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He's most likely fighting McKean because there's
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I read this Sunday before we did
the podcast, that they might work

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it out where McKean fights Anthony Joshua
and Hergovich fights somebody else, a lesser

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somebody else. They won't think the
card. I have no idea. I'm

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just telling you what. Nobody knows
the answer, and even the match room

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people don't know the answer. I
can tell you Hergovich is not going to

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change opponents. This is a very
specific thing. He's taking this fight because

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the IBF who has him number one, says he's got to be active in

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fight. He wants to fight before
he gets the title shot. The title

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shot is due to be made by
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sometime in like late October, November
or whatever, and this is that opportunity.

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He hasn't fought for a while.
He doesn't want to go into a

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title fight off of a year and
a half plus layoff. He hasn't fought

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in quite a while, and so
this was designed to get him busy.

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They're not fighting a bum, but
they're not fighting like a super top contender

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either, So that's the fight that's
happening. And uh, they're not going

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to switch opponents on them. So
that's why I don't believe McKean will be

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the opponent, because then you got
to just go find somebody else for pargavs

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that they got to agree and that
makes it more complicated, which is why

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they're gonna take somebody from the card. You're taught the other heavyweight fight is,

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is uh Derek Tassor against Gerald Washing? Now what they could do?

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And again I'm sure Natchem's having these
conversations with the Zone. See for us

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here in America and the rest of
the world doesn't make a difference. It's

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a pay per view. I mean
it's it's not a pay per view in

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the UK. If you're gonna dramatically
downgrade the opponent from Dillian White and you're

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gonna do like a chess Or or
a Gerald Washington or whoever, you gotta

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make it so people will buy it. So I think they're trying to get

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trying to talk to the Zone about
maybe taking it off of pay per view,

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but there there that changes the economic
setup of the event. So you

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know, none of us know exactly
what's happening. The only thing I know

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from what they said to me is
they're trying to get into opponent for Joshua.

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How it's going to be delivered,
be a pay per view in UK

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or otherwise is not not knowing it
this I've always love to doing this with

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the number one. It'll never happen. Ten it absolutely happens. So where

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are you on? The whole card
is canceled because they can't find an opponent

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for Joshua, and they tell Hrgovic, sorry, reschedule with McKean if you

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want to fight him. But we're
not following through with this because financially it

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doesn't make sense. Where do you
come on a number one the card absolutely

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is not happening, the card at
all, or ten the card is absolutely

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happening. Where's the right field numbers
we go into this? Just speculate,

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I would say, speculation wise,
and from what I've heard from people I've

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talked about undercard fighters and the situation
with them trying to get into opponent,

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all the things that go into it. I would say it's like maybe like

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a six and a half. The
card happens. If you're gonna che three,

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okay, if you're gonna tell me
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And again it's perfectly logical if the
main draw for the pay per view can't

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find an opponent that there is no
card, that they just suddenly say we

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can't follow through here because the people
in the UK, the people in Europe,

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they're not tuning in buying Lord for
Philip Hurgovic, jmse McKean and Derek

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Jasa, Gerald Washington, the se
Anthony Joshua, whether it's golf and gardening

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or going for a new personal best
at NERF and we know sometimes body pain

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can stop you in your tracks.
Time for the power of New NERF and

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long lasting for body pain relief that
lasts up to twelve hours day are nice.

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So you keep doing what you're doing
and we'll do the long lasting body

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pain relief up to twelve hours pain
relief refers to a two by three hundred

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milligram cop seal does NERF and long
last and three hundred milligram prolonged release hard

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cop sules contain improofing for backache and
muscular pain and perid pain. Always read

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the label. If Joshua was not
on the card, the fights, the

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card probably isn't happening at all,
all right. I mean, you think

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you're you're confident, fairly confident.
They can find somebody and the next day

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or two we think for Anthony Joshua
and we'll see, well, so I

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mean we'll see it's a great oppera
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But remember we're basically in fight week. I mean training camp. Training

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camps are over. In other words, the guys were on the show,

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Joshua, Dylan White for his own
issues, but Gerald Washington and Chicasa and

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Hergovic camp's done. You get to
the UK, you're in fight week.

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You do your media obligations, you
know, you go to the gym,

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you shake out, you just you
know, you you move around a little

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bit, you hit the mits.
But that there's no more sparring, there's

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no more like serious you know,
road work. You're done with camp.

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I mean that's that's the way these
things work. So they need to find

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somebody that's in some kind of decent
shape, you know. And you know

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I've said this before, the old
saying that I've heard fighters use. You

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know, if they're buy the phone, you know, you stay ready so

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you don't have to get ready.
So they need to find heavyweight that's are.

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Now, let me just tell you
one thing. I have to if

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if, if my good friend that's
the promoter, Dmitri Salida, is listening,

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I wasn't ignoring your text message,
but I got a text message.

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I've just remembered this in the middle
of the First of all, Dmitri,

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don't text me in the middle of
a fight. Number one, he texted

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me in the middle of the Jake
Paul fight, which I was writing about

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an contrygun. He texted me to
let me know that his fighter, Otto

404
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:12,880
Whalen was willing, ready and able
to go to the UK to fight Anthony

405
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,319
Joshua on short notice. So I'm
not sure if they've made contact with him

406
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:21,039
that would be a reasonable replacement.
You can still put that out of the

407
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pay per view. He gave Tyson
Fear a really tough fight. He's a

408
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:27,759
very solid heavyweight contender. It's a
fight that Joshua probably should win, which

409
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from their perspective is what it's all
about. So I would have no opposition

410
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,720
that that's an interesting fight. Otto
hasn't really had the opportunity and for a

411
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:40,440
significant fight. Jack. That's the
fighter that Dillian White suddenly had the shoulder

412
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,839
injury against and didn't fight because they
had set up a match Room main event

413
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and he begged out of it to
go try to negotiate and fight with Tyson

414
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Fury. And maybe we'll Lane deserves
one poetic justice. Yes, yes,

415
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:56,039
that he could step in. So
maybe it's that, but we don't know

416
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,480
that, and we spend a lot
of time on this. Time will tell

417
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,079
As Monday morning becomes Monday afternoon,
I will say this, peep, we

418
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don't know this on Sunday night.
If it's Monday afternoon Monday night and match

419
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Room doesn't have an announcement about a
Joshua opponent, I think it's likely the

420
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,799
card is off. I'm not saying
I have that on any authority because they

421
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,720
got a plan on who is it? How do we market it? As

422
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,440
you just said, can we still
market it as a pay per view?

423
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Because Joshua has a certain amount of
money he expects from this so stay tuned,

424
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stay tuned to the news, Stay
tuned to Dan's Twitter feed is fight

425
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,400
for each tonight substat Big Fight Weekend
dot com. We will tell you more

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00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,880
when we know more about that announcement, and you may know more as we

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release the podcast Monday morning in the
US, as Dan mentioned, is Monday

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lunchtime in the UK. They may
have an announcement by then or not.

429
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On that all right, we continue
as you mentioned, Jake Paul and Nate

430
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:51,400
Diaz was the main event, Most
valuable promotions. Again. I sat on

431
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,759
the front end, not only on
the preview podcast but also on the bet

432
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:57,440
US show that because this is not
a boxer, I was not as much

433
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,960
into this. Let me set the
scene, brother, ray Feel. You

434
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,880
were probably kicking back at the palatial
ray Feel Estate checking out the pay per

435
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,359
view. I actually was with a
group of people, do not laugh at

436
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,720
me, do not mock me.
Earlier evening, we got some chicken wings

437
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,960
out of place, and we're watching
the beginning of the WWE pay per view

438
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,640
because one of the guys at the
table has peacock and the pay per views

439
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,319
available pays the subscription, so we're
watching the beginning of it and We're watching

440
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,319
Logan Paul Wressell as the first match
in Detroit, and we're all cracking up

441
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,200
about how is he gonna get to
Dallas on a private plane? Blah blah

442
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,799
blah. That became a whole thing. So then we went to one of

443
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:37,240
the guys at the table's house and
if they're listening, they now know what

444
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,720
we're talking about. So there's a
group of us that are watching the wrestling

445
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:45,680
pay per view now on a TV. I've got the Jake Paul card up

446
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,400
on the laptop on the computer.
We're watching both at the same time.

447
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,799
We kept almost taking wagers on whether
Logan Paul was going to get there,

448
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,240
and I kept saying, guys,
Jake Paul is gonna wait until his brother

449
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:59,319
gets there, even if the Serrano
fight ends early, He's gonna wait till

450
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,920
his brother gets there. Jake Paul, by the way, much like Rayfield

451
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,000
comes into the Dallas Air American Airlines
Center on a tank. Did you love

452
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:11,960
that? Did you ever in your
twenty plus years of covering World Championship in

453
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,079
major fights, you ever seen a
fighter come to the come to the arena

454
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,400
in a tank, sitting on top
of a tank. And I don't know

455
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,000
if that was a movie prop tank
or if he went to the Army reserves

456
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,720
about the tank. It was a
tank, if I'm not mistaken. When

457
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:32,559
Jamel Herring was defending his junior lightweight
title in Fresno, California, I believe

458
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:34,720
it was on either veteran I think
it was on Veterans Day or maybe it

459
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:40,680
was Memorial Day. But but Jamel
is a Marine Corps veteran. He served

460
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,400
in Iraq. I believe when he
came to the ring and he was led

461
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,839
by a group of Marines that he
actually did come to the ring on a

462
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,319
tank. He came to the ring
on a tank, because in this case,

463
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,960
that was a huge tank that they
parked underneath the American Airline Center that

464
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,480
Paul rolled up to the arena end. So that's a that's an entrance.

465
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,480
So then we have the fight.
The fight goes ten rounds. Your thoughts.

466
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,759
I got a couple of thoughts,
but your your thoughts. Jake Paul

467
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:10,720
gets the decision win another victory for
him as a pro boxer. Your thoughts

468
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:14,160
on the fight with ideas well.
First of all, Logan, Paul did

469
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,240
make it there on the private plane
and he got there in time to walk

470
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:21,160
Jake to the ring. He was
still in his gear whatever his costume was

471
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,240
from the summer shower, no shower, right, I mean, listen,

472
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,880
the fight was when it was I
First of all, again I say this

473
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,680
every time we re recap and you
want to get into the nitty gritty of

474
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,880
the fight. First and foremost,
I was entertained by the action. It

475
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,359
was a fun fight to watch.
Whatever you think of Jake Paul in that

476
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,720
whole situation, I was entertained by
it. I had no problem with the

477
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:49,519
first fight on the card that happened
earlier in the night with Alan Sanchez was

478
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:55,200
a freaking war. That was a
tremendous battle. Um So the card overall

479
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:57,400
was fine. You know, Ashton
Silv looked good with a knockout against William

480
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,680
Silva. You know we'll get to
the Heather Hardy and then Mena Serrano fight.

481
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:07,079
Yeah. Jadasha Green, the women's
super middleway contender, she was a

482
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:08,519
little disappointing to me, to be
honest. I you know, with all

483
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:11,000
the hype she's gotten, I figured
she's gonna stop her opponent. Looks like

484
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:15,200
she was ready to go several times. But in terms of the main event.

485
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,599
Jake Paul is a guy who he's
coming off the loss to Tommy Fury,

486
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,799
who was the only time he ever
fought a full time boxer, and

487
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,880
even with that, even though he
got the loss, it was still a

488
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,000
super close fight. He loss a
split decision, you know, Fury eked

489
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,240
it out. It seemed to me
and Nate As, who's obviously a combat

490
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:40,640
sports legend from his days in UFC
and having some huge pay per views Connor

491
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,559
McGregor and others, obviously has some
competence when it comes to punching or you're

492
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,039
not going to be a star and
mixed martial arts. But as I said

493
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,400
a thousand times before this fight,
before other fights at Jacas had against other

494
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,680
non boxers being Anderson Silva, Kyron
Woodley, and asked her in whatever boxing

495
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,279
in and then they are different sports. And so if you take them made

496
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:03,359
fighter and you put him into the
boxing ring, and you take a guy

497
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:04,960
like Jake Paul who's even not the
most experienced boxer in the row, but

498
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,160
still that's all he does, is
trained in boxing for the last three years,

499
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,640
that the chances are under the boxing
set of rules, he's going to

500
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,960
win the fighting that is exactly what
happened. I actually thought he was gonna

501
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,799
getting need Nate. Diaz looked so
gassed and tired the first couple of rounds.

502
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:21,799
I thought for sure that that,
uh, you know, that Jake

503
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:22,640
was gonna get him out of there. Now. My, when we did

504
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,519
our bet Us show on Friday and
made our picks, I picked Jake Paul

505
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:32,960
by decision with the over at plus
two seventy five. I'm looking pretty good

506
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,680
with that, because, you know, he looked gas and even though Jake

507
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:38,880
dropped him in round five, and
frankly, he had such a one sided

508
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,920
ass kicking in the first round,
and I don't do this often, every

509
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,000
once in a blue moon. I
scored that round on my card ten to

510
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,519
eight, even though there was no
knockdown, because he had him badly hurt

511
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:51,319
from the last hand to the temple. He had him wobbily, he had

512
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:52,279
him all over the place. I
thought he was gonna get to stop,

513
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,720
and he had him hurt in the
first thirty seconds of the fight. I

514
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:57,960
think I think Paul. I think
Diaz was surprised, maybe a little bit,

515
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,200
by his power and all that.
When he came back the knockout,

516
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:05,839
I had the knockout prop and I
thought I was good in the fifth round

517
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,960
because there was a ton of time
left after the knockdown. But here's what

518
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,880
I want to put to you.
If we're gonna be a little critical,

519
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,400
I think we should be a little
critical. We should analyze him. I

520
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,839
think Jake Paul was tired for a
lot of this fight. I think he

521
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,119
was tired in the back half of
rounds over and over again, especially in

522
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,079
the sixth through the tenth round.
The back half of the round he looked

523
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:27,599
tired. He's holding a lot,
not as much on his punches. I

524
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,960
thought he was also trying to load
up that right hand. Like the last

525
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,559
seven or eight rounds of the fight. It was like, I want to

526
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:36,920
load up the right hand, and
other than that, there wasn't much else

527
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,279
together off the jab. What were
your thoughts to what I just said.

528
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:43,160
I actually thought his left hand was
a dominant weapon in the fight, which

529
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,880
is something I was surprised. But
he did a great job with He landed

530
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,240
a lot of clean jabs, he
landed a lot of good body shots,

531
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,119
a lot of uppercuts, And as
far as being tired, I mean he

532
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,599
never went ten rounds before in a
fight, so I thought he gassed.

533
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,039
Hank was fine. I mean,
you know, any fight like that,

534
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:58,559
you're gonna be a little bit tired
when you're known have the experience. I

535
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:00,359
thought he did a hell up a
job. To be honest, he went

536
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,319
to ten. I just I saw
Nate d As like walking away from him

537
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:06,759
and turning his back and like come
get me, come hit me. And

538
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:09,799
Jake Paul I thought over and over
again, was either apprehensive, tired,

539
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,480
or whatever not going out. That's
Nate Das playing poss him and doing stupid

540
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,680
shit like that. You don't fall
for that. I think he was.

541
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,680
I'm going to disagree with you.
I think he was tired. I think

542
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,400
he was tired. As rounds continue, I'm not I'm not saying he wasn't

543
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,720
tired. I'm saying he's not going
to be stupid and go run after a

544
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,559
guy because he just happens to drop
his hands like that, trying to lure

545
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,839
him in. Jit. You know, whatever you think about NATed As MMA

546
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,920
or you or or boxing, he's
a KG veteran. You stay in your

547
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,240
plan and you do what you're supposed
to do. You don't you don't let

548
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:45,319
the other guy dictate your actions unless
he's just gonna literally stick his chin out.

549
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:47,160
So I felt like that it was
something he wasn't gonna get caught up

550
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,200
in that he knows he's leading on
the cards. He'd won basically every single

551
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:52,599
round. There was no reason to
get stupid about it. I thought he

552
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,559
thought a very intelligent fight. And
I always think to myself, you know,

553
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,400
what would Jake Paul be if he
had a real amateur career and instead

554
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,440
of starting boxing at age twenty three
when he first picked up gloves, if

555
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,759
he was like a lot of the
top fighters who have found boxing. You

556
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:10,960
know, when he's ten, twelve, fifteen, and you have an amateur

557
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,360
career and you're brought along as a
pro by a real promoter or a real

558
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,119
manager, and you're matched the right
way. You know, given his physical

559
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,559
stature and the strength that he has, clearly his dedication to his training.

560
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:27,559
He looks in great condition. He
was able to go to ten rounds,

561
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,760
Like I think to myself, like
he might have actually been a real legitimate

562
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,719
prospect maybe if he had the early
start. Maybe. All right, So

563
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,920
on this we once again, and
I think it's fair, we once again

564
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,119
see him fighting an aged MMA fighter, who doesn't have any boxing experience and

565
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,840
it ends up being a decision.
I am on the record, I don't

566
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,320
need to see this anymore. I'm
done. I'm done with fighting MMA guys

567
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,920
that are older or smaller and or
inexperience both. At this point, it's

568
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,920
played out. If he's not gonna
fight boxers, That's where I sit on

569
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,960
this. So here's the thing.
Number One, nobody gives a shit what

570
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,519
you think about that. Number two, nobody gives a hold on. Hold

571
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:10,239
On, nobody gives a shit what
I think about that. I don't disagree

572
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,800
with your assessment. But here's the
thing. Hold On, they put like

573
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,480
twenty thousand people in the American airline, did they an? I didn't see

574
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,000
that. What did They said?
It was a sellout, So it's about

575
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,039
I was told twenty thousand. I
don't know if that's exactly the bottom line

576
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:27,199
was. It was a huge crowd, I'm sure because the fact that they

577
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,000
were able to put this for however, they were able to work these deals

578
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:31,920
out. No, I mean the
Zone pay per view was the main broadcaster,

579
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,480
or they were the ones that did
the production the whole thing, but

580
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,920
it was available on PPV dot com. It was available on linear television as

581
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,239
a pay per view. It was
available even on ESPN plus pay per view.

582
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,000
My point is it wasn't limited where
you could buy it, and just

583
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:51,920
the fact that it was everywhere alone
probably helped goose the numbers to some degree

584
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,159
that I suspected probably did pretty well. Jake has his fans, NATed has

585
00:35:55,199 --> 00:36:00,320
his his fans, So yes,
you and I is boxing fucking dorks can

586
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,639
think it's played out and don't need
to see him fight MMA guys Again,

587
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,119
that's fine, but there's a lot
of people that enjoy the entertainment dali that

588
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:10,400
they bring. So it now,
I've always made the distinction. I've never

589
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,000
been at Jake Paul hater at all. In fact, I've enjoyed watching his

590
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:16,920
career and do what he does.
I don't you know. Look, and

591
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,159
if the juxtaposition of this is so
perfect, We had Jake Paul against Nadas

592
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,320
and what is still considered too many
people sort of like a side show,

593
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,559
a circus, a freak show,
whatever you want to call it. Coming

594
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:32,000
one week after one of the most
significant serious fights we've seen of them the

595
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:37,280
last number of years between Terrence Crawford
and Errol Spence, to me, those

596
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,159
two fights posed the opposite ends of
the spectrum in the sport. But to

597
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:44,920
me, there's still a place for
both of them, and I enjoyed both

598
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,199
of them. So yeah, I'd
like to see Jake step up and fight

599
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,199
a boxer again. He wants to
have a rematch with Tommy if here there's

600
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,880
some other similarly name guy that's on
his sort of experience level, Like he

601
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,719
tried to fight Hassim Rockman Junior not
that long ago. It did not happened,

602
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:01,280
not to his own, you know, not the fault of Jake's.

603
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,119
So yeah, I gets where you're
coming from. It is a little bit

604
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,400
played out. But as long as
they're putting asses and seats, as long

605
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,000
as they're selling tickets, as long
as they're getting media, as long as

606
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,239
they're selling pay per views, it's
going to continue. And by the way,

607
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,440
the big headline, if you will, is when the fight was over

608
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,960
and Jake has scored the victory,
which Nate Dias didn't argue with. I

609
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,800
mean, he gave a good effort. Yeah, he couldn't argue the boxer.

610
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,320
They want to do a rematch,
but do it in the cage.

611
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,440
I listen, I've never bought an
MMA pay per view. In my life,

612
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:35,719
if Jake Paul fights Nate Daz and
they do it under MMA rules,

613
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,639
I'm buying that pay per view.
And by the way, there be there

614
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:45,800
will probably be more appeal for that
from the crossover UFC fan MMA fan.

615
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,679
There will be more appeal for that. Then there would be a boxing rematch,

616
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,039
or even if Jake Paul's going to
fight another non boxer, or even

617
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:57,960
if he fights a lesser known boxer, so more appeal for the MMA part

618
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,480
of it all. I'm gonna say
I got you. All I'm gonna say

619
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,159
in this is We just devoted about
fifteen minutes talking to him, and we're

620
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,440
talking about another two minutes because I
got something else to say. You got

621
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,800
one more thing in a moment.
We have devoted a lot of time talking

622
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,079
about him, and my hand is
up. I went to the Tyron Woodley

623
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,280
fight in Tampa and covered it,
and we talked about it before and after.

624
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,199
That's before you and I hooked up. We talked about the Anderson Silva

625
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,400
fight last summer that he had,
which again is another non boxer MMA guy.

626
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,840
We then talked a bunch about Tommy
Fury, the half brother of Tyson

627
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,679
Fury, because now we're on a
boxing track. Now we're fighting boxers.

628
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,440
This is a boxing show. So
I'm just saying to the audience, I'm

629
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,519
losing less and less interest if we're
not fighting boxers. That's all I'm saying,

630
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:45,239
all right, go ahead. Number
One, Jake is gonna also attempt

631
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,760
to do MMA he is affiliated now
with That's correct. So they have a

632
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:54,039
standing offer between Jake and the PFL
two Day Daz to do a MMA rules

633
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:58,800
fight in a cage for ten million
dollars. There's interest on the DS.

634
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:00,599
I think they want more, but
whatever, they'll try to figure that out.

635
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,519
So would that would be a big
deal as far as if that fight

636
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:09,239
happens. And the thing about also
is this Number one. When Jake does

637
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,519
these events, he gives opportunities to
a lots of other boxers who are full

638
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,719
time real boxers quote unquote, real
boxers on the undercard. And more importantly,

639
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,239
we are talking about it this weekend
because there was no other fights of

640
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,480
consequence this weekend. As Multure August, It's not that we're talking about Jake

641
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,519
and Nate Daz at the expense of
some other big championship event. That we're

642
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,000
not talking about. If, frankly, if there was no Nate Daz fighting

643
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,840
Jake Paul this weekend, this episode
would be a lot shorter because there's not

644
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,719
much else go on. Okay,
And to that end, perfect segue mighty

645
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,079
one. Amanda Serrano did win her
co feature fight, and this is like

646
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,920
at least a third or fourth time
she's been the co feature on one of

647
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,559
his boxing pay per views. She
defeats and we did not believe this was

648
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:52,599
going to be much of a threat. She was a twenty five to one

649
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:55,760
favorite on the beat Us line.
She defeats Heather Hardy in the rematch.

650
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,559
I saw my man Raphael right away
on Twitter saying I'm over there because she's

651
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,719
beaten the daylights out of a fighter
in Hardy who's game but doesn't have much

652
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,800
to offer. I was really surprised
as that went on that the corner,

653
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:13,159
the doctor somebody like the seventh or
eighth round didn't say enough enough was Serrano

654
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,719
beating her up Hardy. I know
it's important to these fighters. I want

655
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,079
to go to the distance, but
I mean, really, what are we

656
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:21,239
doing here? And I see you
shaking your head, So your thoughts on

657
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,760
Serrano's impressive one sided win in the
co feature. It was this, It

658
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:32,840
was on paper. It was a
grotesque, horrendous, terrible mismatch, completely

659
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:39,119
unnecessary fight. Remember in twenty nineteen, when Heather was the WBO featherweight champion,

660
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,840
she fought Amanda Serranto on a match
room card at the Madison Square Garden

661
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,119
Theater. They brought a lot of
fans in there. Both you know,

662
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,639
friendly from Brooklyn, so they did
have some fans there and Serranto that night

663
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:53,960
proved her point. She beat the
living shit out of Heather Hardy to only

664
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:58,519
credit to Heather was the heart that
kept her up for ten rounds. That

665
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:00,079
fight was almost knocked he was almost
knocked out in the first one or two

666
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:04,519
or three rounds, getting absolutely destroyed. So you know, she went to

667
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,320
distance in that fight. But Heather
lost a very lopsided decision, lost her

668
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,079
title to Amanda, who would go
on to win all the belts and become

669
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:17,159
the undisputed featherweight champion. So she
gave her a rematch entirely unnecessary. Heather

670
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,840
is now not like she's better than
she was in twenty nineteen. She's forty

671
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,119
one years old. She'd only fought
three times since that twenty nineteen fight.

672
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,960
She had gone one and two in
those fights against just normal opponents in six

673
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:36,679
rounders and eight rounders and just nothing
to really make you think why she should

674
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:40,000
get a title shot. But okay, so Amanda is a friend of hers

675
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:44,519
and basically said after the fight,
she just wanted to give her the payday,

676
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:47,800
you know, but they took our
pay per view money, right it

677
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,239
was, you know. And so
Heather, in what I hope is her

678
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,039
final fight, she made a career
high paiday one hundred thousand dollars, which

679
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:58,480
even after you pay your expenses in
your corner and all that, you don't

680
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:01,360
have a whole lot left. But
you know, she gave her the hundred

681
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,039
grand and beat the living shit out
of her again. And once again,

682
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:08,719
I have nothing bad to say about
Heather Hardy as a person. She's got

683
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,360
a tremendous heart, all due respect
to that. As big a heart as

684
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,920
you know, what anybody you want
to see. You can talk about Artaro

685
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,519
Gotti, a Vander Holyfield, and
pick a fighter that's a favorite of yours

686
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:21,880
that has a big heart. She's
got the heart and she's got a hell

687
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,400
of a chin because a man is
a pretty good puncher. She hasn't scored

688
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,800
many knockouts recently, but she's been
known to score some knockouts against some quality

689
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,559
opposition. And she hit Heather Hardy
with everything but the kitchen, saying,

690
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:37,360
so I just I was just depressed
and sort of repulsed by the entire fight

691
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,920
because from the thirty seconds of the
opening of the fight she had no chance

692
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,719
to win because she doesn't have a
lot of punching power. Hardy and Serrano

693
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,199
was beating a living crap out of
her from the moment the bell started.

694
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,280
So it was like, I don't
enjoy watching just someone takes unmitigated violence.

695
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,800
There was no competition that you know. I've said this before. Sometimes you

696
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,159
see a fight and it's competitive,
and it's an action pack fight, and

697
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,039
it's a war back and forth,
but one person maybe getting the better of

698
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:07,239
it, and at a certain point
it becomes like the competition has has has

699
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,599
ended, and now it's just like
a public act of violence. This was

700
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:15,559
a public act of violence from the
opening bell that served no purpose except to

701
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:21,519
give Heather a payday of some significance
relative to the rest of her earnings and

702
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:27,000
to destroy many of her brain cells
unnecessarily. So where can I interject cynical

703
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,199
about this match? Where's the quarter, where's the commission, Where's somebody after

704
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,559
the fifth or sixth round where it's
obvious she's not going to land a Haymaker

705
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:38,440
punch? Where is the boxer safety? And I know then, yeah,

706
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:45,079
right, four wins and three losses
with four knockouts, right right, she's

707
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:47,639
not going to score one punch knockout
after the fifth round, after the sixth

708
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,000
round of taking that punishment, You're
still getting paid. And it doesn't matter

709
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:53,880
to anybody five days from now about
whether or not you got stopped or you

710
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,559
finished in the tenth round. Your
brain is gonna matter. And he went

711
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,119
over to the door. Two.
He went over the doctor a couple of

712
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:07,000
times. I just and where's the
corner? Two on? Yeah, and

713
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,400
the La Paul who was the ref
was looking in there kind of nonchalantly.

714
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,559
It seemed to me in like round
nine and ten, like I don't did

715
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:17,119
he not see her getting rocked with
every shot and taking probably five to one

716
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:23,199
and punches landed. I mean again, I'm glad that Jake Paul has given

717
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:29,159
Amanda platform on which to fight,
to show the world her talent as one

718
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,679
of the best female boxers out there. You know, it's nice that she

719
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,760
wanted to give Heather a payday as
she put herself in position for a much

720
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,480
bigger fight later in the year,
but it just was entirely unnecessary. I

721
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,519
did not enjoy that fight at all, you know, what can I say?

722
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:49,000
And not my thing. I don't
like seeing those types of matchups.

723
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,000
And now, listen, the main
thing here is Serrano. She's back in

724
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:55,920
position now. Obviously she was hoping
to have a rematch against Katie Taylor.

725
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:00,719
But Katie, obviously when Amanda dropped
out, she fought Chantel Cameron ended up

726
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,000
losing. So they're going forward a
rematch that takes place this fall. So

727
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,800
even if Amanda fights a rematch with
Katie down the road, it won't be

728
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,599
this year. So the question is
what's her other big fight. Well,

729
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:15,159
as it turned out, Alicia bomb
Garner, who was the undisputed junior lightweight

730
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:19,480
champion one way class above, where
Amanda is not two way classes above the

731
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,639
way Katie is. She was ringside, she was doing commentary for the Zone

732
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,119
pay per view, and that's a
fight that Amanda is interested in. That's

733
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:30,840
a fight that Alicia said that she's
interested in. Alicia's like, I'm gonna

734
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,119
I want any of these fights.
I'll fight Cameron, I'll fight Taylor,

735
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,760
I'll fight Serrano. I mean,
that's the beauty of women's boxing at that

736
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,719
level, between one hundred and twenty
six and one hundred and forty one hundred

737
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,159
and forty seven, there's a lot
of good opponents and the women don't really

738
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,159
seem to have a problem making those
fights, are moving up a few pounds,

739
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:52,119
dropping a few pounds whatever compared to
the men. And bomb Garner said

740
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:55,840
on the broadcast she has one fight
remaining on her contract with match Room slashed

741
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,079
the zone. She does have a
mandatory to do against the former champion in

742
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,960
Troy from South Korea, so that
may be the next fight because the WB

743
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,079
I believe has ordered a purse bid
for that fight and so they'll have to

744
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:09,840
do that. Then the question becomes
does she do a new contract and can

745
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,679
they make one of these big fights
because Toronto has been fighting on Jake's cards,

746
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:16,840
but they've done business with Matchroom,
and Katie of course is with match

747
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:22,199
Um. Chantel Camera is there also, So I hope that Bomb Garner gets

748
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:23,400
one of these big fights. I'd
love to see her in Serranto mix it

749
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,880
up. That to me, it's
maybe not the same popularity as a rematch

750
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,400
with Katie, but I'm gonna tell
you Toronto versus Bomb Garner, the undisputed

751
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,920
champ at featherweight challenging the undisputed champ
at junior lightweight, that's a hell of

752
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,239
a fight and they would draw a
crowd. You know, Licia did a

753
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,760
nice crowd in Detroit when she fought
recently. Amanda has fans in New York

754
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,480
as she and Katie sold at Madison
Square Garden. That's a good fight.

755
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,239
And you know what, if you're
a zone. That's the thing about these

756
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,360
women's fights. These ladies can make
their biggest purses, buy a lot,

757
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,800
and it still doesn't break the bank
for the broadcaster because they're not commanning as

758
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,400
much money as the men, because
they don't sell as much on pay per

759
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,360
view or take gets her get that
much publicity relative the speaking. But everybody

760
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,360
can make money on an event like
that, and it would be all of

761
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,360
a fight. So I'd like to
see Bomb Garner in Serranto in the next

762
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,760
fight after she does her mandatory with
Choi, who was a champion and only

763
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,320
was basically put in recessor stript or
whatever, which allowed Katie I'm here,

764
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,639
which or allowed Seranto rather to get
the undisputed title. So she really does

765
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,840
have a reason to fight her Bomb
Garner? Does I meant bomb Garder not

766
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,039
Santo? Yes, sir knew what
you meant there, and that would be

767
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,800
an entertaining fight for Serrano and Bomb
Gardner. Some news and some nostalgia before

768
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,599
we're done. Oh, Mike Tyson
hun last we saw the undisputed former heavyweight

769
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,519
iconic Hall of Fame fighter. He
was designated coin flipper for the Terrence Crawford

770
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:45,719
Errol Spence a fight. And now
he's got a new role and it involves

771
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,719
Tyson Fury's battle. Speaking of boxing
an MMA with Francis and Ghanu, Mike

772
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,159
Tyson gonna work, Tyson gonna work
within Ghanu against a Tyson Tyson Fury.

773
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,599
Well, I guess he needed a
new job after such a shitty job of

774
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:04,679
flipping a coin. I notice you're
saying that remotely as opposed to up close

775
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,159
to him where you could get decked, like in the hangover with that big

776
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,559
right hand. Hey, miss Champ
still got it would say, Mike's my

777
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:14,760
guy, Mike and I are getting. We have a good relationship. We

778
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,679
always have. Uh so that would
I would, I would say that in

779
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,159
a joking manner. But anyway,
here's a thing about that. So they

780
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:23,519
made the announcement that Tyson was going
to be one of the you know,

781
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:27,559
the trainer for Nagano as he goes
into the Tyson Fury fight, which,

782
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:30,679
as you mentioned, it's Tim training, being Tyson training and Ghana to fight

783
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:36,480
against Tyson. As everybody should know, Tyson Fury was named by his father,

784
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:42,440
John Fury, Tyson after Mike Tyson, so he's named after that fighter.

785
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,920
So that should make for some interesting
uh photo ops and some conversation during

786
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,400
the lead up to the fight.
Uh. Look, Mike was never the

787
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,559
most diligent trainer after the Customato days. I mean, I think that's not

788
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:58,559
exactly breaking new ground here, So
I'm not sure something he's going to become

789
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:01,079
hugely dedicated to training friends and the
gun who probably could use all the help

790
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,920
he can get given that he's never
been a boxer before as good of a

791
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:08,480
MMA heavyweight champion as he has been. So I kind of feel like this

792
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:15,199
is a little bit more publicity minded
than actuality minded. I'm assuming that there'll

793
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,000
be some other boxing trainer in the
in the gym with them helping them get

794
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,159
ready. Not to say that Mike, who was a very intelligent boxing person,

795
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,039
knows his stuff quite well. You
know, I've had the chance over

796
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:29,840
the years, you know, to
in a private moment just sit and talk

797
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,159
boxing stuff with Tyson, and he
does know what's going on, both in

798
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,480
terms of the history of the game
as well as the nuance of the XS

799
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,400
and oast. But again, he
was never the most dedicated trainer when he

800
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,559
was, you know, a prime
heavyweight, and now that he spends a

801
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:47,039
lot of his time, you know, smoking marijuana and doing it. I'll

802
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:51,920
use the phrase on a sunny night
tranquilized for a lot of his existence right

803
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,320
now on cannabis. I'm not sure
how legit it is. Again, I

804
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,000
think it's a lot of this is
publicity related, which is good publicity because

805
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:01,320
if you can get Mike Tyson involved
with your event, it's run the canher.

806
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,039
So look, I'm sure you can
impart some things on not gone to

807
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,119
show him a few tips. I
can only assume it would be some other

808
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:13,480
boxing trainer also in the gym,
working with him on like the specific things

809
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,760
of holding the mits and the bags
and and the more you know by moment

810
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,519
training camp as opposed to you know, more of a supervisory role overseeing things,

811
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:27,639
making suggestions. But if you can
have Mike Tyson involved in what is

812
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:30,079
supposed to be a big heavyweight fight, I don't think that's a bad thing

813
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,199
and it's certainly going to get a
lot of attention. So you know,

814
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,800
that was that was an interesting news
bite that came out in the last couple

815
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,679
of days, and it'll be interesting. Mike was at the at the at

816
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:43,639
the Arrow Spence fight, as you
mentioned, with Crawford flipping the coin very

817
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:45,960
badly, and now he's got another
job. Hopefully there's no coin flipping involved

818
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,480
and that's not gone to training camp
very nice in that fight. For late

819
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:52,599
October. Okay, I'm gonna make
you smile. Match Room Boxing has an

820
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:58,159
announcement and my question is is it
worth more than one of us passing gas

821
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:05,079
to talk about Ja Catterall and Jorge
Lenares speaking of later in October for a

822
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,599
match Room to Zone show in Liverpool, England. L Ray feel you're less

823
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,400
than thrilled this is what we get
here in October. I mean, I

824
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,280
know Catterall's got to have a fight, but go ahead. Well, first

825
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,280
of all, as I mentioned earlier, this is the early times of August.

826
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:22,400
There's not that much happening. So
this was announced, so you know

827
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,679
what, it goes on the rundown
because we gotta have something to talk about,

828
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,679
right. But Catterall is an excellent
junior welterweight contender. He obviously a

829
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,480
lot of people thought he beat Josh
Taylor for the undisputed title, but he

830
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,760
didn't get the decision. He's had
trouble getting the rematch made. It got

831
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,320
postponed and canceled. You know,
a bunch of times he switched promoters blah

832
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,559
blah blah. And now he's with
match when he's had one fight since that

833
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,159
union. He won the fight,
not a particularly memorable fight or a particularly

834
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,199
great performance. They are going to
set him up for something big. One

835
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:49,800
can only assume that if regis progressed
defeats Devin Haney, that maybe he'll get

836
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,760
the call and get the opportunity for
that fight. So, like you said,

837
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,199
he's got a fight. So they
when they dug up the remnants of

838
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,920
Jorge Lenaris without a lot of other
possible fighters out there to do this fight

839
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,000
on October twenty f that the M
and S Bank Arena in Liverpool, England.

840
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:07,119
And when I saw this, I
mean, you know, I'm pretty

841
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:08,239
chill these days when it comes to
ripping fights, you know what I mean,

842
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,719
I've seen too much of this.
I don't you know, I'm over

843
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,280
for the most part, but I
had to take a shot at this one.

844
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,480
This is just the fucking pathetic mismatch. It's just a disgraceful fight.

845
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,280
I mean, Jorgelen Rs has lost
three fights in a row. He's been

846
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,039
stopped multiple times. He hasn't been
a relevant fighter for probably about six years,

847
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:27,159
five years, you know, back
in twenty sixteen, seventeen. You

848
00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:30,000
know, he was still sort of
near the top when he was a lightweight

849
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,599
champion. But the fact that they
dug him out for this, he's not

850
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:36,400
even really one hundred forty pounder.
When he fought at one hundred forty pounds

851
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,079
on a matt room card, I
might add he got knocked out in the

852
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:43,760
first round by Pablo says Arcano,
who's not exactly a punching A ticket to

853
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,199
the pound for pound list, So
this is just an unfortunate situation. Jorilen

854
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,199
rs Is is an old, an
old fighter at the thirty seven going on

855
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,639
forty seven. It's just uh,
it's I'll tell you one thing, Catterell,

856
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,760
he'd better shine against Lamars or his
stocks and take a big dip because

857
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,800
this is just a sick mismatch.
In my opinion, Passing Gas might outrat

858
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,880
it. Okay lightweight contender battle William
Zapata for Golden Boy will be fighting in

859
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,400
September. Tell me more about this
one in the news items real quick.

860
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,480
I mean as as as I'm not
saying Zapada versus Marcido Hesta is a great

861
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,519
fight, but it's like freaking Spence
versus Crawford compared to a Catterall versus y

862
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,719
len Ar. So look, Zapata
is a really exciting fighter. He's a

863
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,960
southpaw with huge power from Mexico twenty
and with twenty four knocked outs with Golden

864
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,039
Boy, He's sort of like the
dark horse in that lightweight division. You

865
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,719
know, when everybody talks about the
lightweights, you hear about Devin Haney,

866
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,760
here about Vasili Lomachenko. You know, you heard about cambosis, you know,

867
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,360
you hear about you know Jervanti Davis, of course, Uh, you

868
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,119
know, guys in and around that
weight class is a Painta's sort of the

869
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:49,760
guy every sort of forgets to mention. No one's calling him out, no

870
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,079
one's asking to fight him. And
you know Hesta, you know, a

871
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:53,920
Kisa veteran. He's been around,
he's fought for the title, he's lost.

872
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,360
You know, he's a little bit
older, thirty five years old.

873
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,920
But he's coming off his biggest win
in a long time. He beat Jojo

874
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,559
Diaz, which was a solid win
for for for Hesta. So this is

875
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:06,760
a fight that Golden Boy made.
They want to keep us a pay too

876
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,280
busy. He's exciting um Hesta probably
in this fight should make it interesting from

877
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,000
the standpoint that he's not going to
run around and try to get you know,

878
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:17,480
spend twelve rounds fleeing away from from
Williams Zapeta and and Zapetas look really

879
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,400
sharp. Also, he's got the
win over Jojo Diaz. Also, um

880
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,440
again, it's not the biggest fight
in the world. It's on Mexican Independence

881
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:29,280
Day weekend, uh September sixteenth.
They'll do this fight in Commerce, California,

882
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,639
and uh, you know it's it's
a the Zone main event. And

883
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,920
I dare say that even though it's
not an A plus fight, if you

884
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,719
compare it to the other fight we
just talked about that we're passing gas on,

885
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:44,480
it's a plus. I love that
nostalgia time. And let's go back

886
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:47,360
to two thousand and four before we
wrap up the pod. August seventh,

887
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:52,079
two thousand and four, So that
means the anniversary nineteen years ago is Monday,

888
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:55,960
Diego Corrals and Popo fret Us?
Did I come closer? It's Freate

889
00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:00,159
this correct, It's Freetus. What
is right us? No other he WBO

890
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:06,440
lightweight title fight? You were ringside
for this one? And why was it

891
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:09,400
so good some nineteen years it wasn't? I have mixed emotions about this fight

892
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,000
because anybody that's followed me or listened
to me or read me knows that my

893
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,519
all time favorite fighter is ur Tarogatti, and number two on that list is

894
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:22,880
is the Brazilian big puncher Asteleno Popo
Freitas, who was the former unified champion

895
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,199
at one hundred and thirty pounds then
became a champion at one hundred and thirty

896
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:30,960
five pounds, a dynamic, dynamic
puncher, a huge superstar in his home

897
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,760
country of Brazil, such a big
deal back in the day. Then when

898
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,679
he got married, his wedding was
on national television in his home country.

899
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,440
And Diego Krause. There was another
fighter that I covered a lot of it.

900
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:43,000
Who was you know, rest of
the Soul was a tremendous puncher,

901
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:47,079
and you know has was involved in
some major fights. Obviously was the winner

902
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,239
of what any of us consider maybe
the greatest fight of all time. Certainly

903
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,039
the greatest fight I have ever covered
was his comeback victory to knock out Jose

904
00:55:55,199 --> 00:56:01,000
Luis Castillo in two thousand and five, two of the lightweight titles. Popofredus

905
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:07,559
though. You know, he had
won the vacant WBO title over the very

906
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:13,440
experience and long reigning a fighter from
Germany, Arthur Gregorian, and he stepped

907
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,760
up to fight Popo Freds. Now, this was a big deal fight in

908
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,159
two thousand and four. They were
cornerstone fighters on showtime going into this fight.

909
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,400
This was no joke. I mean, Carrels had a couple of losses,

910
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,880
including most notably to Floyd Mayweather,
but Aslino Fredis at the time,

911
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,800
he's a two division champion. He
had unified at one thirty by beating Joel

912
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,800
Cassamayor. He entered the fight against
Kraus thirty five and oh with thirty one

913
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,639
knockouts, a devastating puncher, and
people expected to be a slugfest, but

914
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:40,960
they weren't quite sure, you know, as Fredus his chin gonna hold up

915
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,800
against you know, Carels, who
at that time was considered like one of

916
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,239
the fiercest punchers in boxing. This
was like an A plus matchup. I

917
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,559
mean it was a big deal,
every bit as big a deal back then

918
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,119
as like say Hainey Lomachenko was,
you know, back a couple of months

919
00:56:54,119 --> 00:57:01,079
ago, although not for Undisputed.
And Freda's absolutely toyed with and played with

920
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:07,840
Diego Cross for seven rounds, boxed
his ass off, winning easily, and

921
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,400
then he got knocked down, and
then he got knocked down again, and

922
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,360
the fight probably should have been over
after the second knockdown, but he got

923
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,360
the balls to get up and then
when he got knocked down the third time

924
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:21,000
in the tenth round, you know, we got knocked down again in the

925
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,079
tenth round, which was a third
time he was down in the fight.

926
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:25,880
He got up, but he basically
quit, and he kind of gave him

927
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,360
a bad rap as being a quitter. And I always my thought was,

928
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,639
you know, I wish the ref
would have stopped it, or he would

929
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:35,360
have stayed down after the second knockdown, which was a massive knockdown and there

930
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,039
would have been any grief. But
he got off from that, and he

931
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:42,159
you know, he stopped after the
third knockdown. But coralis with you know,

932
00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:46,840
people remember the great comeback against Castillo
because of the drama of getting off

933
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,239
the deck from two knockdowns in round
ten to stop him later in that round,

934
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,519
the spitting of the mouthpiece, the
whole drama of that to unify the

935
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:57,679
titles. But in any ways,
this was just as impressive if they come

936
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:01,079
back because he was down. Like
the Castillo fight was super competitive back and

937
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:05,400
forth on the you know, super
tight on the carts, and this fight,

938
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:07,639
Popo was dominating. He would probably
won the first seven rounds of fight,

939
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:10,760
and he was able to you know, clause way back in and get

940
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,519
the stoppage. So it was it
was a sad night for me on a

941
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:17,480
personal level because I'm such a big
Popo fan. So I got to tell

942
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,639
a little story about this, and
I do I have time to tell a

943
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:23,960
quick story. Go all right.
So after the fight is over and I

944
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,320
filed my article and they had the
press conferents and all this stuff, I

945
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,840
went back to my room at Foxwood's
I gotta get up early, I gotta

946
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,079
get on the plane whatever. So
I'm in my room at the hotel and

947
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:36,199
I hear like all this commotion outside
the door, like, you know,

948
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:37,920
an hour later whatever it was forty
five minutes later after I get back to

949
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,280
my room and I opened the door
to see what the heck is going on.

950
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,519
As it turns out, it's and
I didn't know this going into the

951
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:46,679
fight, but it's Popo his whole
team, Art Pololo, his promoter,

952
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,320
who you know, is a long
time friend of mine, and they're they're

953
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,440
going to Popo's room. I didn't
realize. I'm in my room and like

954
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:57,159
five or six rooms down the hallway
at the end of the hall, in

955
00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:01,320
the big room is Astelenos Freights Sweet. So I opened the I poked my

956
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,599
head out and I see Art Polulo
coming down the hallway with Popo and the

957
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:07,880
and the crew and He's like,
come on over. You know. They

958
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:08,880
were like, you know, hanging
out. They were having some drinks,

959
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,920
they were having out some food whatever. So all right, So I got

960
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,559
back, you know, I put
my shoes on, and I went over

961
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:19,280
to UH down the hallway and popped
into their sweet and it's a big sweet

962
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,880
and and there's commotion. Popo's mom
is there. She's like cooking, and

963
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,719
the lawyer is there and she's cooking
in the middle of the night. I

964
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,920
love this, Okay, keeps cooking
in the middle of the night. Whatever

965
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,719
some Popo some meal heat wanted or
whatever. And they're you know, they're

966
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:37,760
packing and they're doing this. And
Uh Oscar Suarez, who was Popo's trainer,

967
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:43,599
the late Oscar Suarez. Uh died
a few years later, unfortunately,

968
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,440
but I was friendly with him.
And it was always kind of funny because

969
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:50,679
Oscar spoke Spanish but Popo spoke Portuguese. But there was enough commonality where they

970
00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:54,880
could communicate even if it wasn't a
perfect translation. So I'm minding my business.

971
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,199
I'm chatting with some of the guys
out there with Art and with you

972
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:02,000
know, some of the guys Popo's
team that I knew and Oscar comes out

973
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:07,800
of the bedroom and says, Dan, Popa would like to speak to you,

974
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:08,880
because I had seen Popo when he
came in. You know, he

975
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,800
gave me a hug week you know, I said hello, you know,

976
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,840
too bad, you know, rough
knight. Whatever. So they called me

977
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,800
into the room and I'm there.
This is I'll never forget this as for

978
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,199
as long as I live. I
get in the room and ask Leno.

979
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,800
Fredus is laying on the bed.
He's wearing a Joe Lewis brown Bomber sweatshirt

980
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:29,320
and he faces all messed up from
a tough fight. He looks like he's

981
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,119
on his deathbed. And I mean, thank god he wasn't. But it

982
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:35,400
was a rough knight. He know, he was in, he was down,

983
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:39,199
he h he had lost a really
rough way. And and so it's

984
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:42,760
me, it's Oscar, it's Popo
laying on the bed, and off in

985
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,960
the corner of the room is his
wife Elena there now Aliana. They're now

986
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:54,519
divorced. She was a very attractive
woman. She's almost naked and she's packing

987
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,400
all their stuff for the trip up. She's pulling shit out of the closet

988
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:04,159
and like I'm trying not to air
and whatever. So this is better than

989
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:07,159
the fight recap. Keep rolling.
So and this is God's on his truth.

990
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:15,360
So Popo knew that I had named
my now long departed cat Popo after

991
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:20,559
him. Yes, so Art Polulo
had told me the story that I had

992
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:23,360
sent Art a photo of the cat, and on one of his business trips

993
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:29,199
to Brazil to meet with Popo about
whatever their business dealings were, he had

994
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:32,159
brought a picture of the cat and
given it to Iliana and Popo and he

995
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:35,840
said to me, they put it
on the refrigerator or you know, in

996
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,360
their kitchen or whatever. They hung
up a picture of the cat. It's

997
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,480
named Popo. This is not you
and the cat. This is just the

998
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:45,280
cat. This is just a picture
of a cat. The cat outranks Rayphael

999
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,079
Popo. The cat is on the
actual Popo's refrigerator. Keep going. So

1000
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:52,840
this is my beloved cat, Jet
black cat who we adopted as a stray

1001
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:54,519
where my life and I used to
live, and he was with us for

1002
01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:57,920
like, you know, until he
died when he was like fifteen years old.

1003
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,679
It was a great, great pet
and we named him Popo in honor,

1004
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:04,039
as we've named our other cats.
I have a cat Lenox. We

1005
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:07,679
named a cats Thunder after our Taro
Gatti. Anyway, so point I'm making

1006
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:13,039
here is that Popo Fredus the person
knows that Raphael, a writer who has

1007
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:16,159
covered him for many years, has
a cat named Popo after him, And

1008
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:20,639
so Oscar says he Popo wants to
talk to you. So I approached the

1009
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:23,239
bed, like if you imagine you're
in the hospital and you're saying goodbye to

1010
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,000
a loved one, you're holding their
hand. I wasn't holding his hand.

1011
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,960
You know. They're talking to you
in like hushed tones, and I don't

1012
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:36,480
understand poor Chuguese, obviously, and
I'm listening to Popo speak, and Oscar

1013
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:39,079
Suarez is now going to translate,
and Popo says to me in a very

1014
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:44,679
serious manner, very serious manner,
I don't know what he's saying. Suarez

1015
01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:50,639
translates. He says, Popo says
he's sorry that he lost. He hopes

1016
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:55,320
that you don't change the cat's name. And I say, I'm not going

1017
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,639
to change the cat's name. I
would never do that. That's not appropriate.

1018
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,960
You tried your best, you fought
a great fight. You just happened

1019
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,360
to get caught by the big puncher, and it happened, So I'm not

1020
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:10,920
changing the cat's name. No worries
about that. And with that we made

1021
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,519
a few more small talk. But
he was very when he saw me.

1022
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:16,760
He was very concerned that because he
had gotten his first loss and had gotten

1023
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,679
knocked out, had lost the lightweight
title, the ratio is going to change

1024
01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:24,400
the cat's name. Would never changed
the cat's name. So I love it.

1025
01:03:24,519 --> 01:03:30,639
That is my story about the post
fight. That is more keeps savages.

1026
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,639
Where else are you going to get
nostalgia like this? I I you

1027
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:38,199
know, I don't know how we
could go from last week recording the post

1028
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:43,880
fight fight preaching night recap with you
in the hotel room literally plaid in the

1029
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,960
underwear. I had to get past
it. TMI. I'm in neked locker

1030
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:51,280
rooms all the time watching Star Wars. In the middle of it was like

1031
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,159
a pair of boxer shorts. There's
nothing but still, but still we were

1032
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:55,920
watching Star Wars. That's how we
were doing the pod. Now you got

1033
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,119
the Popo story the next week where
Popo thinks you're gonna change the name the

1034
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:03,440
cat while the scantily clad wife is
trying to pack everything up in the hotel

1035
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:08,519
suite after he just got knocked out
by Diego Corrales. This is phenomenal nostalgia.

1036
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,639
She was pretty much almost naked.
I gotta say, okay, the

1037
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,519
images can stay there. Theater,
the mine on that. What a story

1038
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,199
about that and some great nostalgia to
wrap it up. And by the way,

1039
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:21,679
I've got one for you that didn't
make your list, but I'll just

1040
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:28,320
briefly bring it up. Forty years
ago Monday, August seventh, nineteen eighty

1041
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:33,440
three, is Hector Macho Camacho beating
the Raphael Bazuka Lemon San Juan, Puerto

1042
01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:39,880
Rico live, US Network TV,
CBS, Tim Ryan, Gil Clancy,

1043
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:44,280
Sugar, Ray Leonard. We're all
there in San Juan. Uh here,

1044
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:49,760
I'm Beethorne Stadium right outside of the
downtown area. Electric. It's on YouTube,

1045
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:55,360
go watch it. That was forty
years ago Monday, where Camacho delivers

1046
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:00,679
the knockout on Bazuka Lemon to become
world lightweight champion and on networking. But

1047
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:03,079
I still remember watching that fight live
right, Phil forty and Camacho was not

1048
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:06,800
forty member the biggest uh you know, for as great as Camacho was as

1049
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,239
a boxer, flashy and fast and
and exciting and all that. He was

1050
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,159
never like a big puncher, but
he stopped Lemon in the in the fifth

1051
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,840
round in a fight that he had
dominated he and I'm looking back him down

1052
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,519
early. Yeah, So what I
did not realize that much dominating he had

1053
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:26,840
been leading up to the knockout.
He actually led forty thirty five on two

1054
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,840
score cards and forty thirty four through
the four rounds prior to scoring that knockout,

1055
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,719
which, like you said, it
got him the vacant WBC one hundred

1056
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,760
thirty pound world title, and uh, you know, many years later Camacho

1057
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,199
rightfully so it was in the boxing
Hall of Fame as one of the most

1058
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:43,760
popular fighters of the eighties. And
that was you know, that win and

1059
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,760
obviously several others after that that really
put him in the conversation as one of

1060
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:51,119
the most well known popular boxers that
there was because of the flash and the

1061
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:55,679
flamboyance, not because he was scoring
huge knockouts, but he just had that

1062
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,800
h charisma, that smile, you
know. And it's unfortunately how he went

1063
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,440
out and what happened to him leaning
his life with all the problems with his

1064
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:06,639
finances and with drugs and the whole
thing. But at that time there was

1065
01:06:06,679 --> 01:06:12,960
no bigger fighter around, frankly than
Hector Camacho, especially making his name on

1066
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:15,840
Network TV, like you mentioned,
no doubt. There you go, some

1067
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,079
nostalgia. Man. We've had a
busy show. We've had a ton on

1068
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:24,960
this show. Again, congratulations to
Marcus on or mckeeson our Winner will get

1069
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,000
you, the fight program coming up, on the random draw, lots on

1070
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:31,039
the Jake Paul card, lots on
the latest, and again you may be

1071
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:34,840
listening to us Monday morning and you
already know what the truth is. Is

1072
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:40,840
the Anthony Joshua fight card proceeding and
with him against someone else? What have

1073
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:45,440
they worked out at maybe later Monday
it maybe Monday night. You would know

1074
01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:47,360
that answer, Dan, and I
don't know that answer on Sunday. Rayfields

1075
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,079
checking his phone right now. We
don't have anything right now before we sign

1076
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:55,239
off, right so we don't know
that tonight on is that going to continue

1077
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:59,599
or not? Stay tuned. The
biggest bummer was we had I had audio

1078
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:03,679
of an interview I had with Anthony
Joshua several days ago as part of us.

1079
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,639
There was about four or five American
writers that had about a half an

1080
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:12,320
hour with Joshua on a zoom call
and I recorded my portion of that to

1081
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,880
play for you know, about a
six six minute a year. So we

1082
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,320
kind of had a bag it because
it really wasn't relevant. We don't know

1083
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,679
if he's fighting. He spoke some
of the part of it was about hit

1084
01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:24,239
Dillian White, you know, having
a rematch with a guy years later.

1085
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,480
So unfortunately, I would have liked
to bring you the interview I had with

1086
01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:29,840
Joshua, but it just didn't make
sense tonight. It hit the cutting room

1087
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,599
floor, at least for now.
So maybe Joshua was fighting somebody else.

1088
01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:33,880
We'll find out. Is that card
still going on, We'll find out.

1089
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:38,280
Here's what I'll do though, for
the peeps. You did talk to Oscar

1090
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,679
Valdez and it's on the podcast immediately
preceding this one on the feed the preview

1091
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:45,239
the Big Fight we Can Preview.
I will single that out and we will

1092
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,039
put it up on the Big Fight
wee Can podcast feed because it's Valdez navarrote

1093
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:53,599
this weekend in Glendale, Arizona.
God willing that fight comes off. We

1094
01:07:53,679 --> 01:07:56,320
need that one for this weekend because
it's looking like that's going to be a

1095
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,440
huge one. Top rank ESPN show, so I will do that for the

1096
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,639
peeps on this podcast feed. This
is why you need to follow and subscribe.

1097
01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:08,760
You'll automatically get it. Dan standalone
one on one conversation with Oscar Valdez,

1098
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,760
who very interestingly tells you that even
though he's won a couple of world

1099
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,239
titles, he really feels like he
needs to do more, needs to have

1100
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:20,239
this fight for his for his status, for his credentials as a big time

1101
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:24,520
fighter. You'll hear that full conversation. I'll put it up on the podcast

1102
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,680
feed coming in about probably forty eight
hours or so after this one is released.

1103
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,399
All three of that conversation there.
You go, like you said,

1104
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:31,680
that'll be a heck of a fight
with Nevert. We will see what happens

1105
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,960
with the Josque fight. I actually
next Saturday. Well, not because it's

1106
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,279
the biggest card in the world,
although it's not like it's a bad card,

1107
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,119
but it's not the kind of card
I would typically travel for, but

1108
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:45,720
the showtime event, which will take
place at the MGM National Harbor in oxen

1109
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,760
Hill, Maryland, which is about
twenty five to thirty minutes away from my

1110
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:53,199
house. I will attend that show
next Saturday, which is inventing Nolvan Lopez

1111
01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:57,680
against Emmanuel Rodriguez for the vacant i'd
be a bantamweight title and two of the

1112
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,239
younger top upper coomers from the DC
area on that card, Gary Antoine Russell

1113
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:04,319
and Trey von Marshall are on the
other TV fight, so that should be

1114
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:09,560
a fun show also, and hopefully
the Joshua fight will will stay on and

1115
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,479
they'll figure it out. We will
find out in the coming few hours twelve

1116
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,680
to twenty four hours or so as
this is released on what happens with the

1117
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,439
Anthony Joshua show over in the UK. For now, we're good with everything,

1118
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,159
including the nostalgia and the popo story. Don't change the name of the

1119
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:26,319
cat. I love that. Have
a good week, my friend. Thank

1120
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,840
you as always Dan, Rayphael,
are you bet you j and we thank

1121
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,560
you for listening, for finding us. Make sure you're following, make sure

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