WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:19.559 Thank you for listening to Pictures. Media Radio. Welcome to Policy and Rights, 2 00:00:21.160 --> 00:01:03.320 the show about the government, Policy and human rights. Welcome back to 3 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:08.159 Policy and Writes your depictions Media Radio. I'm your host, Michael Cloggs. 4 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:15.879 We have a recording from a festival where we had the opportunity to actually play 5 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:25.040 our documentary Hate Can Kill. It is actually a rework of old footage and 6 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:38.480 new footage about a hate crime that happened in nineteen ninety eight where a caretaker, 7 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:49.680 normal sing Gill was killed by five Ways and premises. And the discussion 8 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:56.040 that we're having is how do we actually make it so that we don't have 9 00:01:56.159 --> 00:02:06.799 to keep pushing back against hatred those groups that want to think that they are 10 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:14.680 the are supreme end that have the right to just run amok over the rest 11 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:22.680 of us. How do we fix things so that we all are seen as 12 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:30.199 human Because we have policies that discuss human rights, we have policies to discuss 13 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:38.759 how all humans are created equal. But the problem is not so much what 14 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:45.840 the policies are saying. If the policies are accurate and good, it is 15 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:53.199 how people decide to internalize them. One of the problems with hatred is that 16 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:06.919 you can use hatred to dehumanize another group, in which case you're able to 17 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:20.680 attack nime and ultimately kill people that you see that aren't the same as you 18 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:28.520 are. One of the really cool parts about the human race is our diversity, 19 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:42.680 leading from fashion, neurodiversities, how we think to things that we believe, 20 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:50.039 that different beliefs of how a higher being if there is one, if 21 00:03:50.080 --> 00:04:00.599 there isn't one. There's so much diversity within our species in it should be 22 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:05.479 celebrated. And there are still those out there that want to destroy those who 23 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:14.639 are different from others. So why don't we listen to the talk back after 24 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:24.120 the film was played in here opinions and questions that were asked on the theater 25 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:34.240 floor alizing events to keep them say that an see alive by organizing the underdaated, 26 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:40.240 which give you the opportunity to remake this film and finish this film to 27 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:44.879 keep us alive. And then says three so important. And at the unbating 28 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:50.680 ceremony we saw Shane her you say, who was recently killed in the same 29 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:58.000 or the other same marking lot, so with you know, healed by being 30 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.120 my different actors. So I think it's important acknowledge that in this book is 31 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:05.600 singing instead in the film that you shouldn't remember, you know, martyrs, 32 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:11.079 Like maybe I was saying the interval singeruse you sing. So if you take 33 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.639 a a moment of s and it's considering I'm wearing the cafe, I hear 34 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.519 what's happening in the Middle East and elsewhere, for people in Israel and in 35 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:21.399 Palestine are dying, So we take a moment of silence for the piece. 36 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:43.120 And also I think the festival for organizing the screening is also acknowledged that the 37 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.480 originally of the Indian community lived here in his hood in the streets. This 38 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:51.800 used to be the city hall. The first Never Get Them the uh By 39 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:58.439 second Festival parade was held here on on ninh Street. This is where the 40 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:01.959 Indian community, Chinese community, Japanese, gonna be Black community, it's gonna 41 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:06.839 be all lived in this ghetto because they didn't want this thatswhere so it's appropriate 42 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:14.279 that we're talking about white's supremacy in this neighborhood where the the anti Asian riots 43 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:18.199 took place. So I'm gonna pass the mike along if you wanna have your 44 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:27.879 posin and have a discussion after you know, I had to say this with 45 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:32.519 the hatred become I've been putting back against this since i've been was able to 46 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:39.399 hold my mother's hand and walk down the street that she got me startled on 47 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:46.399 this path of fighting for human rights and s Sometimes it it comes out of 48 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:50.279 the question of not so much that we have a lot of human rights policy 49 00:06:50.319 --> 00:07:00.399 in breaking it's a matter of how different groups see who is human, because 50 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:05.600 they're more than willing to as was said in the film, that they're more 51 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:13.040 than willing to dehumanize those who they don't believe aren't human. And that's part 52 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.480 of the The thing is we have to keep speaking out that we're all human, 53 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:28.480 no matter beliefs, sexuality or uh or column. We're all human and 54 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:35.000 we all need to be treated as human. So butse a while I do 55 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:41.600 not to others that we are all to be ansigat both citizen views and also 56 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:46.160 time to be all madus for having us here a couple of students. I'm 57 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:53.399 really upset about the kidding off abusing there on the ideal to you solve him 58 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:57.639 in the video. You were the one who was installing the portrayed on the 59 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:01.040 blissings and have you seen a center, I think Garda. As you mentioned, 60 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:05.000 we were all there. This year marks three twenty fifth anniversary of the 61 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:13.519 murder of thems in reality by the White Supranis. And this year on the 62 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:22.519 fifth versary, the city of Sereb made a proclamation proclaiming and on Indien of 63 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:31.960 June the same temples of current chredren being killed by arn't identified attackers. The 64 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.519 Paris of Canada believes that this could be the handywork of the Indian intelligence. 65 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:43.080 I want to put things in perspective. We often talk about white suprama this 66 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.039 year, and in Canada we talked about Hitler, We talk about Nazis, 67 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.159 but we must keep in mind the people in power and Deli right now, 68 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:58.240 they follow the same medeology belongs to ours as Hinduku, a group that once 69 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:03.679 qualified Hindler justified Jewish for the coast. People like her. Big Strig Nature 70 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:11.039 has been pointing figures that Mollie and those in power in there, that's the 71 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:18.200 reason he got killed. So when we are trying to remember able single on 72 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.559 the tunt on his tonturment test iniversary, you must keep in mind that our 73 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:28.919 thiefs in nature also got ben in the same TAPO being a president by some 74 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.960 foreign actors at the behest of the people who follow the same geology as head. 75 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:41.879 But the world remains silent. It's a shame that Canada has not been 76 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:45.600 able to take a very strong position against what is being what is happening in 77 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:54.279 past nine I don't I don't. I can't stop myself from criticizing even the 78 00:09:54.360 --> 00:10:01.519 DC and the government. Although many of you probably know that my wife is 79 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:03.919 part of the same vernon. She's the MLA in this goverment, she's the 80 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:09.720 Minister of Education. This government will let us down. You see, when 81 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:16.960 Russia invaded to Ukraine, they immediately banned Russian bodka and BC look the stores, 82 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:22.799 but Forestina's had been asking for the ban of Israeli wine in these same 83 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:28.000 stores. And all the time people that d we used to tell them it's 84 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.159 a matter of free choice. I want my Bugdha. I don't have a 85 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:37.360 free choice. If Russia is that Ukraine, I can't have Buddha, but 86 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:43.600 you can have a Raley wine. The spider fact that the Yaos hands us 87 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:48.799 speared to be the most sim run So why the selectivity, Why is this 88 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:54.240 double speed? So we need to call us spade a spade mode is a 89 00:10:54.320 --> 00:11:03.480 new Hitler, that's all. I passed the white to Aniwana when he started 90 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:09.480 the Wainan. I was in Palestine in February and reminded some civil society books 91 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:15.279 in the West Bank who stole about the fact that's some of that wine that 92 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:20.519 says Israel on it or whatever, but it actually is stolen grapes from Palestinian 93 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.360 fields. So they will give you know, a moments to go pick the 94 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.759 grapes and then you know, go back and then they'll say, well, 95 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:33.320 we'll buy it from you, and you know, because of the reality of 96 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.960 the apartheid and the system as it is, they will sell it because they 97 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:41.320 need the money. And then they will change the label and claim it. 98 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:46.200 The senators will claim it as their own. So that's I have to escape 99 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.600 back, because that's I don't want to forget that. I you know, 100 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:52.240 I had Tony in my class. It was one of the first speakers I 101 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.840 ever had in my class, gosh, like ten years ago now, and 102 00:11:54.960 --> 00:12:00.799 I really appreciate what he said about that that dehumanization that he was doing, 103 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:05.919 but that he was dehumanized himself. Because we can talk about money and Couded 104 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:07.200 and Nathania. When you know, when list goes on and on, right 105 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.159 commas whatever like, throw whatevery name you think is in that group, please 106 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:16.320 do so. Those who killed normal, those who killed are deith. But 107 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.279 I really not struggle. The reality is I am seeing. I am a 108 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.519 supporting Jew. I am seeing people who are Jewish, supporting you know, 109 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:31.200 colonizations, supporting hatred, supporting death. I see people other religions and whatever, 110 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:37.759 right other faiths. I see violence in the anti Sogie community, where 111 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.759 there is so much hatred, and forget the topic of Sogie itself. I 112 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:45.159 mean there is fee trith, there is violence, There is anti Semitism. 113 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:48.080 It's not the phobia, all of it. And I wonder what is happening 114 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:52.840 that we are so dehumanized that we do not see the other. Most of 115 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.519 us are just trying to say, don't kill the children, right, We're 116 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:01.480 just saying we need a ceasefire, let's talk the temperature, let's figure things 117 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:03.399 out. There's a solution here. We don't even have to get into the 118 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.240 politics of it all right now, And still people come at you. There 119 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:11.480 is censorship, that there's fear, a lot of people are living in fear 120 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.080 right now that they might be attacked for wearing whatever, any job, start 121 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:20.360 David whatever. So that really bothers me because I wish it was as simple 122 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.519 as, oh, well, just both them out right, both them out 123 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.399 fight back, right, go on the streets. You know your vote counts, 124 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:30.159 and one day the leaders will be gone and everybody will rejoice. And 125 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.600 yet I'm perhaps a little bit cynical because I don't see enough people. There 126 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.000 are some, but I don't see enough people doing that work right now. 127 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:43.000 I don't see enough people saying enough it's humanization. We seem to get power 128 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.120 from it, we seem to get money from it. And as an educator, 129 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:52.279 high school educator, I fear that our kids are learning that message that 130 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:54.200 the humanization is the only way, because you know what, in this Atlanta 131 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.360 you can teach that all you want, but look what's happening. So you're 132 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:01.080 not having an fact they're not having in the back. So what's the point. 133 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.600 Let me get my money, let me make mine right. I literally 134 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.480 had a refugee student kind of say that about there was there there are people 135 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:11.919 out there that are saying, oh, okay, you would change your opinion 136 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.480 right on the influencers on social media, and he actually said I would take 137 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:22.240 the money, and I had to think to myself, way and it's you've 138 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:24.759 fit through hell. You know what war is. You are a young young 139 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:30.279 man and you survived so much and still your brain so that that that cycle 140 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:35.159 that Tony talks about is very real. You introduced me to hard deep in 141 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:39.320 a real way with the cameras two fifteen and speaking under Goodwara with Jennifer a 142 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:45.879 sheriff, an Indigenous woman, and the power that was. So we see 143 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.120 people being killed, like innocent people, people that are doing good work, 144 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.000 people that are using their voice and their platform, and yet they are still 145 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.159 cut down. It needs to end. But I think that journey really does 146 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:03.399 start with us. It starts with being mindful that the people that we elect, 147 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.320 or the leaders that claim to be leaders, they're They're not the root 148 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:13.879 of the problem. The root of the problem is much deeper. So this 149 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:18.399 is a top back. So I want to hear your thoughts. Uh, 150 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:22.759 what do you think of the film and generally what what your thoughts are on 151 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.639 on bigotry and white cubimacy and and other thoughts uh that uh you feel, 152 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:35.559 so please uh if you wanna say some diptise come up and uh, let's 153 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:50.559 hear what you ever say? Oh, be sure your day somebody some correct 154 00:15:50.559 --> 00:16:00.240 place to care of. I A tell uh a sing a while. That 155 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:07.320 had to do with indigenous issues in my city, which was Edmonton, and 156 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:15.360 it was it was basically it was an Aero film and basically the film which 157 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:18.159 was made by Americans. It was very interesting music. Of course, like 158 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:23.600 Okay, I'm from Edmonton and the football team has only recently been renamed, 159 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:27.320 right, you know, And I remember even getting flat from like, you 160 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.480 know, fellow academics and stuff like that, you know, when I sort 161 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:36.039 of say, like Eskimo's going really really, we're the only team in Canada 162 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:38.759 that has that kind of a name. But anyway, it eventually happened. 163 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:45.360 But the thing is that the American president was much earlier, like you know, 164 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:52.080 with renaming colleges and remam and naming college sports teams, notably you know, 165 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:56.000 because there were like a gazillion Redskins and Indians and everything else, and 166 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.799 the whole Washington Redskins thing was of course a big, big, big issue, 167 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.519 a big point of progress. When when that eventually, you know, 168 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:10.599 was taken care of but I'm wondering in terms of what I'm hearing here today, 169 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:15.839 like what do people think about the American influence, the cross border influence 170 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:23.440 like made me I believe in the film. Yeah, in the film one 171 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:27.079 of the speakers said, like, you know this group here, they're lived 172 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:30.839 with that group in Wisconsin, you know kind of thing. So I'm not 173 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:37.480 trying to just be fastively anti American, but I'm just wondering about that cross 174 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:45.759 border problem. Well maybe for that, I think I think the the border 175 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:51.839 is colonial, right, so it's it's it's a bigger issue. And uh 176 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:57.279 as as as any uh school teacher from Suri talked about what's happening currently with 177 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:04.599 the convoy twenty twenty three was co opted and soji movement right, and what 178 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:15.680 happened in the US capital right bringing up that ugly whitest memousis history of North 179 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.680 America. So this is nothing. What happened to shade your most slim and 180 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:22.559 I call it shaheen and even very deep saying is because someone who's martyreed, 181 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.839 we respect them, we call them shahi. So you know, this is 182 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:33.519 the history of eternal other you know, colonization is a white remminenist project and 183 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:38.839 that these people who are organizing, who organized you know, the capital or 184 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:45.279 they convoy on Ottawa and now they're co opting the end is soji movement are 185 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:53.960 part of the whole white supremacist project, right and because of this resentment towards 186 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:59.440 immigrants and things like that, they're organizing and then either co opting most of 187 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:04.680 them community and thick communities, you know, uh against their uh propaganda uh 188 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:11.880 about you know, uh against uh people who are clear and trans So, 189 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:17.640 yeah, thank you for I thought, yeah, yeah, I I am 190 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:22.640 allowed the currents to attash for And I actually I I grew up in the 191 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:27.480 United States. I grew up uh in this city. That actually where did 192 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:32.920 that origin? The independence was drictly where in the US Constitution was written in. 193 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.880 One of the big problems with the United States and cabinet leading back to 194 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.920 that k that same humanity thing. It starts off queen the people, but 195 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:47.480 it doesn't define who the people, who the people are in the document and 196 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:51.680 it allows the other set of walls to just to determine what that means. 197 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:59.599 And in US and Canada will hold the same thing that to be human or 198 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:04.440 to be be a citizen. You have to be a white man. So 199 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.160 if you're not a white man, you're not human, you're not a citizen, 200 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:14.640 you don't count. So that's that's part of part of with with with 201 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.319 UH, what are you talking about now? I remember my last residence in 202 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:26.839 Philadelphia. I could have been normal and guilty. I've got trying on me 203 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:33.759 that day and he UH allowed me to be on one on the side that 204 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:38.880 I had power over them. They were paying me a swastika on the door. 205 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:45.720 And as I walked up to my home, I'm seeing thee these five 206 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:52.559 people came the swastiva on my door and died jail. Because I have a 207 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:59.039 very Jewish nan and my ancestry leads back to North Africa, similar to Annie's 208 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:07.599 that is Jewish. And I said, yeah, do you do you have 209 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:11.200 you have this? Did this jew track? You haven't trapped? He said, 210 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:12.759 oh yeah, he said inside there he s he He said, pray 211 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:18.680 he's a braider. You that we got him, we live. And at 212 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:22.319 that point that I just took wonder her heads and smashed him into the door 213 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:29.599 and the other four ramp so I got lucky. Normal said He'll did not 214 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:37.359 get that play out because five one one. I you what's his name? 215 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:45.720 Uh? The character that uh person wasn't physically like uh yeah there there those 216 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:52.079 a th those sup super uh sold if they don't exist? So yeah, 217 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.359 yeah it was. It was a movie, you think, but anyway, 218 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.720 Yeah, I can't. I can't think he's right there right yeah? Yeah. 219 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:06.119 Railbow does not a place. Yeah first blood? Yeah, play what's 220 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:11.480 that? Yeah? Yeah yeah, Rainbow doesn't exist though, would there? 221 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.079 I don't. I don't care how powerful you think you are. If five 222 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:19.720 people will come at you at the same exact time, you will fall and 223 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:26.480 you will wind up as normal sing. No. He was a brave man, 224 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.519 you know he he protected the temple than to go grow. Yeah. 225 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:41.240 Yeah, but we we need to to come behind him, and we need 226 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:49.319 to stand together and say we we're not gonna take the the money to change 227 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:56.440 our opinion. Then we're gonna say that colonialism is wrong and that we need 228 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:04.640 to end the hatred that comes with colonialism because it's really it's written behind the 229 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:14.000 laws that are attached to these documents of human rights, these with these documents 230 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:18.279 that actually describe all of us as equal. These laws that are written be 231 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:26.079 kind of are written for people fit, aren't are are? You are being 232 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:32.559 oppressed? So that's why. How's your point? So I went to high 233 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:34.839 school in South Florida, so I have a little bit about American backgrounds too. 234 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:41.640 Yeah, and I'll say this on the cross border influence, Like things 235 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:47.920 weren't great twenty years ago, however, compared to now, when I hear 236 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.519 from friends and still lived there, from family, from teachers that are quitting 237 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:56.400 their job, queer teachers. I cannot teach people like myself like being jailed. 238 00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:59.400 I'm sorry they just comes to my classroom. I wouldn't I wouldn't be 239 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:03.119 allowed. So I've been asked in the last little bit like well, this 240 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:07.519 won't happen in Canada. I go, it's happening in my lifetime, you 241 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.039 know, like I never thought i'd be the person to go, well, 242 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.839 you know when I was in high school, right, like it's it's sad, 243 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:17.440 I shouldn't be laughing, but it's we can regress. And I don't 244 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:19.000 want to say we are regressing, but but in some areas we are. 245 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:25.240 And when you see the I'm sorry, the rats, I how quick it's 246 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:29.640 happening in America. Not that America was ever race, but nonetheless, right, 247 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:32.480 like or I can tell you there is absolutely I was learning how it's 248 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.200 it in high school. I mean, yes, it was a special teacher. 249 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:37.440 But I see who still allows to just that book today? That woman's 250 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.880 fools evening, dam I haven't ed it up. I think it is right 251 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:45.000 or whatever. Any other book that would have had a different opinion is banned. 252 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:49.319 Indigenous Black Jewish women studies like it's not just about trans and fearful. 253 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:56.319 This goes against everybody and Muslim folks, and so to see that regression is 254 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.559 very scary. And then literally in the last couple of months, to feel 255 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.960 the heat, to see the pressure, to see the ti taks that I 256 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:07.440 face, other teachers are facing, and other professions too. I don't think 257 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.920 many of us thought we come to us, it's been around, but we 258 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.039 didn't think that the temperature would be so far up that we fear that. 259 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.799 I know the idea, he's in power, But are they really gonna stand 260 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:22.319 up right or any other party for that's sake, right? Are we really 261 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:25.599 gonna be able to keep back the forces? I think we are. It's 262 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:29.200 all about us. But at the same time, that regression is real and 263 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:40.720 absolutely America has an impact on that any hard lots he's come up. Okay, 264 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.119 hello, my name shudn't be Thank you so much for the quancimentation. 265 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:51.279 I think it feels weird we get many to be as years old and like, 266 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:53.799 but it feels like it's still something that is going on today and how's 267 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:59.880 elegant. I think it was particularly also from the side of the solidarity it 268 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.000 it was really like great for me to see even like the building the new 269 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.279 Alliance be there, like to be around, and like, I think it's 270 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.759 very encouraging. With that said, like so it's I just wanna I guess 271 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:14.680 I acknowledge that part of it. I also just wanted to know from a 272 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:19.000 more expands so far and also just as someone who's warning more about transformative justice, 273 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:23.279 I understand that Tony change over time and there was as you know, 274 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:27.640 like I was also conto condition into our supremacy and a true point I had 275 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:32.599 to change. But from your experience, what do you think has kind of 276 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:37.000 licked the switch? And like what else should we do to kind of encourage 277 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:41.400 more people to transform into anti racist and anti zionism and all that, cause 278 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.440 we're truly in the you know, his historical old right now, Like there's 279 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:48.400 twenty twenty so far has been really like, you know, we thought a 280 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:52.640 few few more years in this decade, like I wanna gook ahead and I 281 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.359 wanna see more of us pushed together to finally like say the words, name 282 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:02.319 the names and actually change it. So what do you think has changed that? 283 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:07.200 Thank you, but thank you for that. Everything is important that what 284 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:11.240 happened, the reaction. Five thousand people came together in that part for being 285 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.400 part and there was all kinds of groups. You saw the banners, and 286 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.680 I wanted to start with that, showing that solidarity of so many different groups 287 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:25.960 coming together and in the background the drumming to the big of the drumming right 288 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:29.279 opening the film with the drumming, I think it was really really important that 289 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:32.519 people did. And you know, people won't show up, but this could 290 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:36.880 happen. They're not back there in Siri. And then you know again when 291 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.640 we get the un razing, all the thing that you know, since then, 292 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:45.680 the Gubet loss has happened, and there's family in London, Ontario and 293 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.079 Wisconsin and things like that, so there's an opportunity to bring all that that. 294 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.680 But what has really changed in the last three five years, right, 295 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.119 that is still happening, that people are still being murdered in the mosques and 296 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:03.839 God Ouralis and so on. Incidentally, the thes this mask has sense right 297 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:10.839 now in Surrey is there because the old mask was torched arson right, So 298 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.960 there's a many things. Again, anybody else can respond to what as she's 299 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:25.599 saying. I believe that Rayslim continues to exist and which has rather grown because 300 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:30.839 of the grown or tried movement, and that movement somehow filmed up during COVID 301 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:36.160 night, we see that getting org nives will be fom operative. Boy, 302 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:40.480 so we need to be vigilant. Yeah, and Kenadians have a habit to 303 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.880 love themselves too much. We need to live in a reception. We believe 304 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:45.880 that Raslim, but this is only a class. The bottom U there, 305 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:52.680 So we need to shatter that command of ourselves. We need to examine ourselves 306 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.839 every day. That what I was doing on it's very important. The self 307 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.880 chat is very important. But can it is have a new pull another that's 308 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:07.119 apone so true. So I'm gonna use a buzzword, but I really do 309 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:14.880 believe in this buzzword. Intersectionality I think is how we continue transforming because I 310 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.880 believe there's no justice right without that piece. So let let's talk a little 311 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.119 bit about so everybody learns about the Holocaust, right, and genocide and the 312 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.480 idea of that how that work came about, which is great, but look 313 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.480 how many genocides have occurred since then, or the fact that now we see 314 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:36.200 black enslavement as a genocide as well. Right, We've only come to that 315 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:41.000 understanding because of these other stories, because of these other experiences, because of 316 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:42.720 these other realities like oh wait a minute, it looks a little bit different 317 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:47.319 here, but the pogroms of the Fernegia but whatever, right along Dame List 318 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:51.480 goes on and on. It's sad to say that. So I don't think 319 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:55.720 we're gonna go anywhere without that intersectional piece, because what happens is we tend 320 00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.920 to essentialize a story. We tend to focus on one group only, right, 321 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.920 whoever is deemed approprious. Right, Certainly, I don't white, not 322 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:10.839 same North African descended person. I get more privileged than my round family, 323 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.000 right or folks that you know liberal transfer my family in Morocco. Right, 324 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.599 Absolutely, this exists. So if the closer you are to whiteness, right, 325 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:23.519 the more your story is accepted, right, so we have to start 326 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.359 breaking that down to get well, wait a minute, what about this group? 327 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.440 What about that? What about this? And it doesn't mean that we 328 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.880 don't elevate the first story or the second story or whatever, like all these 329 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.480 things can be true at once, right that that genocide has occurred in all 330 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.839 these different areas or whatever racist a discrimination or whatever we're talking about the more 331 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.559 and then again, as an educator, I have to teach that way. 332 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:47.400 I can't just say this is, you know, in Surrey, right, 333 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:48.920 so I could say, oh, our deep sing and our fool o food 334 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.880 are deep sing nature or like all these things. I mean, they wouldn't 335 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.359 play well. But I want to make sure they also hear the Muslim stories, 336 00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.200 the Christian stories, the atheist stories. We're not record just taking path 337 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:00.920 right now. But you know, whatever it might be, we have to 338 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.039 push ourselves. So we have to reflect on ourselves. We have to take 339 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.759 ourselves off the pedestal. That doesn't mean that we don't stand out for our 340 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:12.519 own writing so that we don't let our stories be minimized, but they actually 341 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:17.400 get amplified. And that's when we know, oh, the system is not 342 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:21.200 built for us the system is not good enough. The system needs to be 343 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:26.200 transformed, not just reformed. Right, even like a police saying again, 344 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:27.880 I'm the ship who's made it. Like it's one thing for one group to 345 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:33.119 tell that story. It's one thing once everybody start selling your story and then 346 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.640 you realize, well, wait a minute, this entire system cannot be performed. 347 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.000 We need to go beyond that. Right, So, I think that's 348 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:45.119 how wesly continue that process. Will the media pay attention, That's a whole 349 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.880 other question. Will the government allow the resources, Will teachers be given the 350 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.559 time and space to actually speak those things? All of those are questions to 351 00:31:52.960 --> 00:32:00.079 answer and then to act on your life. It is very money, thank 352 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:07.799 you, So you want to do this? Yeah? So, actually just 353 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:12.559 gonna connect to the question that I guess it was raised a lots in the 354 00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:17.119 United States because I think increasingly the borders are little read event And the reason 355 00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:21.799 why I say that is because a lot of the times what I see, 356 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.759 specially with the advance fit of technology. But I think social media is used 357 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.440 to amplify a lot of that day and if we honestly know we're talking about 358 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.119 racism and in all its forms right now, there could be in some violence 359 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:38.160 against women. It could be targeting persons with diffic abilities physically mental, It 360 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:43.720 could be you know, certainly against indigenous communities. It would become space vince 361 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:46.960 of being a certain part of the world because I'm just wondering what your thoughts 362 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:52.480 are, because they think it increases me when I thought social media would be 363 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.680 a force of good. When you hear the opinions you share, I feel 364 00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:00.720 like everybody's going into sideos. They're pigeon warning themselves us when on a particular 365 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:06.240 social media platform you sort of have a certain world view, and especially if 366 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:10.039 t hate field you, I guess the algorithms work such that you are flooded 367 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:15.400 with more of that, whether it's Instagram or TikTok quite little or whatever. 368 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:21.519 So as an educating especially for you with filmmakers as a journalist, how do 369 00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:27.400 you sort of get that message out where borders our area and event where a 370 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:31.440 lot especially that youth and other people are looking at these platforms rather than break 371 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:37.519 more to discussions, uh, schools that you talk about maybe their differences in 372 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:42.440 kind of learning with each other. Ah, I can get a short answer 373 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.960 and I'll pass it on. Uh. Pretty cool thinking, right, that's 374 00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:52.440 huge because absolutely these things dominate, right, and and you see kids producing 375 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.839 an adults of that that are coming to the table with certain views and yes, 376 00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.920 compared to maybe when we were young, like kind of the entrant was 377 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.400 a bit more about perhaps a wild place. But nonetheless now it's really targeting 378 00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.000 right, like legitimately like to your AGAs. So I think, what we 379 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.360 have to do. We have to provide us other resources which means more work, 380 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:14.159 but also get them to think critically, get them to analyze. How 381 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.199 do you manufacture consent? What does that look like right through a social media 382 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:22.000 platform? So I think it's skill sets. It's building skill sets, reading 383 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:27.719 skills, all kinds of things that again bring forward normal stories without them just 384 00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.119 believing what they see that. I mean, if you if you fall from 385 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.679 the propaganda, right, you're done. So so how do we make sure 386 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.800 that we teach those things every day and then the content can be whatever it 387 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:42.480 is? Right, But the skill sets are very deep? Well do you 388 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:46.360 uh order and order read both lots and a comp start it's create a bottom 389 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:52.639 line. Especial people are the real social difference factors. Any guys do it 390 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:57.840 directly? Kind of vol I think I don't er set up and just just 391 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.079 any is in such your las so he had upon it. I mean that's 392 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:06.519 not even even today. So for us, the border and the boundary used 393 00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:09.559 to be primarialie, and it is when we are actually trying to make the 394 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:15.599 big powers accountable product whatever they do today. Very your politicians can take this 395 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:20.800 uh a cover of UH say it's a federal issue. We can't cannot interroge 396 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.079 because it's a federal issue. It's happening elsewhere in the world. We can 397 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:28.280 only talk about what is happening in our backyard. But not it's not it's 398 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.639 not true. You you have picked a side. You you sided with Russia 399 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:37.639 and r Ukraine when Russia in algy but you choose to stand up for the 400 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.719 desire instead of the people of Palestine. So you have never made a choice 401 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.480 and you cannot take this free all the planet's a federal issue. So for 402 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.599 people like us, I would say these boundaries of border and boundary are very 403 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:58.679 problematic. There is something that that many of us forget with social media. 404 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:06.679 You can turn that off if you have an off switch, right, or 405 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:12.360 you have the choice of what it is that you wanna follow, mkay. 406 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:20.840 So in a lot of respects. The corporate propaganda wants to take the choice 407 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:27.239 away from you. They want you to take the money they want you with. 408 00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.480 Uh but things like Bill C. Nineteen, they want you to only 409 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:37.199 follow the mass media message. They want to eliminate the independent media. And 410 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.000 I'm not just saying that just because I'm an in the in the media person 411 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:46.039 and I gonna toot my own word on that money. But you have the 412 00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:50.400 ability to turn it off. You have the ability to follow the hashtags, 413 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:55.199 the the the people that you know are spreading love. You wanna you you 414 00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:00.719 wanna stop the spread of hate, start to spread love. It there was 415 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:05.280 a young lady and the double said that those are the same places than they 416 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.000 are and propagate love. That's right, she said that, and it and 417 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:15.800 it bols Crew twenty five years ago as it does today. You you have 418 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:22.079 to go to the same exact places and deliver those messages of love. And 419 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:27.519 you wanna find out what turn Tony uh Tony's life around? It was it 420 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.920 you discovered love with this walk with this little girl in his arms. We 421 00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:37.840 discovered love. And that's that's what we have to do. We have to 422 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:43.039 propagate the love around and we have to listen to those who want to spread 423 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:50.159 that message around. So that's is a saying that I shouldn't get this. 424 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.679 Uh yes, I know it's that is gotta end uh will be good. 425 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:57.880 But yeah, it's that that I should get this on CDC that I don't 426 00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.960 think see to see what self this documentary like this is the data for others. 427 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.000 But I agree with you, Michael, I think that you know with 428 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:14.480 this whole my uh major media complaining about not being able to use Facebook to 429 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.119 get your message out. There's all all kinds of alternaive media out there. 430 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:23.559 I also want a online pactrum called Dunia dot journal dot com which is not 431 00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:28.880 being able to access Facebook and Twitter as well. So it's a bit challenging. 432 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.199 But yeah, there is alternative media. There is cooperat here, or 433 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:37.559 there is uh BC uh uh journal and and and and so on, so 434 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:44.079 go to that. I think we're running out of time. But the Solana, 435 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:45.960 you cut your hand up that you want to close it up for us, 436 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:51.159 and thank you. Solana is one of the programmers here at the festival. 437 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:58.800 Thank you so much for having us here as thanks. It's so challenge 438 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:05.519 very much. I wanted to share for a moment. I know where the 439 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:10.400 end, I still wanted to share this that it's bigger than the culture or 440 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.119 the color. And I'm thinking, I've been thinking lately how much when I 441 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:22.119 hear of happening in Israel and Gauza, it's like the stories I heard of 442 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.840 some of my ancestors in the Southwest, and what was happening with the command 443 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.280 chings, and when there would be an atrocity that would be committed and then 444 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.880 there would be an overreaction, there would be an even hugive atrocity with greater 445 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.719 damaging. And I'm thinking of the story another of my ancestors who was part 446 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:45.000 of a wagon train I'm told that was going for Utah and was attacked by 447 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.320 a group of Mormons who were united with Pattis because they were afraid of the 448 00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:53.440 United States Army, and they not succurred the wagon train and everybody over the 449 00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:59.559 age of five. So I've been thinking about these things and thinking about when 450 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:05.039 I was in university and a roommate who is of Chinese ancestry, other parents 451 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.440 who were very except with her because she wanted to go out with the Japanese 452 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.519 man. You know, that kind of bitterness and when we were returned to 453 00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:16.480 Korea hearing the stories of the Koreans about when the Japanese invaders came and they 454 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:22.320 were deprived of their language, their culture, et cetera. But it's I 455 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:30.679 guess it's the question of it of how we can survive as humans and of 456 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.519 yes, Holloween survived as humans. And what Tony was talking about, how 457 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:45.360 when people lose their humanity in the face of other dehumanizing things, and so 458 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:52.519 yes, how do the imagis spread love and places when we see some things 459 00:40:53.199 --> 00:41:01.119 going back wads around us? And I wanted very much to create your courage 460 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:09.239 and uh generosity and sharing the today true, but we need I will be 461 00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:13.679 our last round and uh, I went off again. Think, Uh, 462 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:19.599 the hardest any festival which is a multidimensional festival. It has and other film 463 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.119 documentaries that I can create your point and see the program right is there and 464 00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:29.039 many other films and and accessible cause if there's no charge so people can see. 465 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.360 Other festivals are not so like that, I think someone, I think 466 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:37.000 the answer to your question is divided we fall right, and you know, 467 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:43.440 and and the white supermass and and that a beens win. How people came 468 00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:47.519 together. All kinds of people came together and shoffle what had happened to your 469 00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.440 shaving? Numerous and yield right. And we need to come together. And 470 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.960 we need to not be living in sidlaws, whether we're queer or trends or 471 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.519 whatever, and and and and and and you know, uh uh stick to 472 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:06.920 our communities when we pick our our significant others. I'm near to a Chinese 473 00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.679 man in Taiwan, right, and and I I think that we need to 474 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:16.480 first of all thing our role scare on these these considered homelands. But we 475 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:24.159 need to come together and not be divided because of my finding thoughts. Uh 476 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:30.039 I we we we need to stop dating divided, and we need to stand 477 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:36.880 together. We need to stand together under the idea of love and humanity, 478 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:46.000 equality, all those things that are deep set inside ways we we we c 479 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:53.480 Toy said that well that we we aren't born knowing how to hate. We're 480 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:59.440 only born knowing how to love. Yeah, and we're taught later on how 481 00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:05.480 to hate. Stop teaching the hate. Simply put this, stop teaching to 482 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:14.119 hate either. The generals can only say that I have mis privilege to amplify 483 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:22.119 the stories of individuals who are who might be very very weak. Otherwise they 484 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.280 do not have they know they're very powerful people, but who are in an 485 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.239 excellent work to bring the humanity together. So the least we can do this 486 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:37.280 to amplify their stories, amplify their voices, which gives hope to everyone out 487 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.840 there that we have people like saying and Johanna being a US woman, she 488 00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:46.199 stand up for the people of Palestine. I mean she does not represent all 489 00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:51.360 of these people, but her voice is very important. We need to amplify 490 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.119 that. We need to amplify the voice of also like Gon in my career, 491 00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:00.639 who was interviewed by Quire Life or the documentary. We need and if 492 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:09.639 HYPO's voices that stories we give something doesn't excite, you're too high. And 493 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:15.719 I think Jews like me are probably the simon majority I have to be about 494 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:22.880 otherwise otherwise is not a thought and there are there are they just have to 495 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.920 fight. I would say this, just make space, like try to share 496 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.920 a story. If you just said amplified just as a regular person, we 497 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:36.639 don't have reach. Whatever doesn't matter. If I tell my story, let 498 00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.559 someone else told their story next to you so that people can see that connection. 499 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:44.639 Right, So yeah, maybe someone's Korean. They share a Japanese story, 500 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:46.840 right, Someone's Japanese. They sell that they they share a Korean story, 501 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.800 right. Like, the more we push ourselves to do that, I 502 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:54.000 fain the more we have these narratives out there that cannot be denied. Again, 503 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:57.599 I'm just the parting Jews. I'm an Arabic Jew, right, So 504 00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:04.280 this idea that coexistence can't ex it's bs right. It's actually a racing history, 505 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.639 it really is. You want to talk about two thousand years. I'm 506 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.159 like, well, yeah, let me tell you about two thousand years because 507 00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:13.840 you know a lot of people have actually lived it, right, compared to 508 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.960 other narratives that are out there. So make that space. As I tell 509 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.679 my students, like, if you have your own TikTok, you have antry, 510 00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:22.039 I don't care if you have two followers two hundred and two million, 511 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:27.440 Share the space, right, do not dominate it, just for yourself. 512 00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.960 Share the space, make space for hours. And that's really the only way 513 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.199 because the powerful might not want to give off their power. But I have 514 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.039 a feeling that those of us with less power, we can probably do a 515 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:38.880 lot more than we think. And I have to say, you know, 516 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.000 being in a school environment where we have a lot of children that have survived 517 00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.199 a lot of trauma. It is so powerful to see us come together as 518 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:52.440 people of multiple faiths and work together, fundraise for powestign do other things. 519 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:57.239 And you can see that fear starts to go away and they feel empowered. 520 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.800 And yet they do they come to humanized. They don't becomes my story and 521 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:06.119 nobody else's. They actually start to see the value in sharing that space. 522 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.400 So you know, I'm not a nonem neighbor. Must them who made a 523 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:16.360 documentary about a sick man that was murder so it's I agree with them. 524 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:23.960 That's a really important because you mightn't be fall the United extent then here and 525 00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:37.400 it'll be employed time. 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