1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,839 Ironically, I was at Zepp and I get this phone call and the messages, 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,800 Hey, Patty, how are you doing? This is Tony Manzoni. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,320 What's going on? Listen? You got that Zepp product? Can you do 4 00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:16,440 me a favor and fly down to the desert and teach my boys how to 5 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:18,800 use it? Because I think it's fantastic and I think you could help my 6 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:22,600 team. I'm literally like, who is this guy? Like he's casted from 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,839 the Sopranos, right. So I flew down and spent a couple of days 8 00:00:26,839 --> 00:00:29,480 with his team. We walk into the shop, he's like, Patty, 9 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:33,280 how you doing with Tony? And so a very pretty lady comes walking and 10 00:00:33,439 --> 00:00:37,240 she's probably I gotta say forty five or fifty, and she's asking him a 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,920 question and he's being super polite to her, and then he turns around. 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,520 He's like, Patty followed me to the office. He walked into this little 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,039 corridor and he stops dead in a diamond. He turns around, he goes, 14 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:50,039 you know, you'd think it's seventy seven you still wouldn't be attracted to 15 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:56,159 a woman. But I gotta tell you that never goes away. I much 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:02,479 respect for Tony Manzoni. I miss that guy from Berwin, Illinois, and 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,319 I play at Columbus Park Golf Course. If is Golf Smarter number eight ninety 18 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:14,200 three, a forty year teaching and product business veterans share stories from the inside 19 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:19,840 with Patrick Say. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:25,680 from great golf mines to help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. 21 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:30,719 Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast, 22 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:34,439 Patty. Thank you, Fred. Great to be here, Great to have 23 00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:37,719 you on. I like to get some old timers on every so often. 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,920 Whose old timers who've been around the block a couple of times. I know 25 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,400 him a lot older than you. I'm just kidding with the same as. 26 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,079 But you've been in the business a long time and you've seen a lot, 27 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:57,239 and that's why I'm really excited to talk to you today, because there's some 28 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,239 things that you've done that are not part of your normal resume that will flush 29 00:02:02,319 --> 00:02:07,120 out here. But also there's some great products that have come and gone and 30 00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:12,439 been around for a long time that you had your hand yet. That's correct, 31 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:15,520 Yeah, it's been. In fact, I'm just telling somebody I went 32 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:21,479 to my thirtieth PGA show this year. So you know, I woke up 33 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:24,759 and all of a sudden, I'm about to be fifty five in a month. 34 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:30,439 And yeah, I've I've I've served my time in this industry. That's 35 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:37,680 for sure, that's for sure. But you've also you were a PGA golf 36 00:02:37,759 --> 00:02:43,879 professional and you've helped people on tour and did some things that are pretty outrageous. 37 00:02:44,039 --> 00:02:46,680 Tell me about your time that you were working on the tour. Well, 38 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:50,000 I tried to play. Actually I played college golf, and I tried 39 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:53,560 to play, and I just as as ninety nine point nine point nine nine 40 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:58,360 percent of guys realized as they're just not good enough and so good. But 41 00:02:58,479 --> 00:03:07,319 I tried to play until my late twenties and then invented a product in golf, 42 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,280 and I was I kind of was initially in tech and started to head 43 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:15,840 toward that direction product wise, and um I did that, which we can 44 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:22,639 get into later, for probably about eleven years, and then um I got 45 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:28,000 into the tech side of of the game and started managing a brand new product 46 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,280 called Zepp. It's a sensor that you wore on your glove and right. 47 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:38,039 Yeah, and so they had so much stuff that they were measuring. It 48 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:44,240 was based out of China, and uh so I came in and essentially helped 49 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,240 people understand it. I stripped it down to measuring maybe eight components instead of 50 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:52,439 one hundred and forty. But one of the cool things we did was measure 51 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:55,080 hand path and then I developed something called the swing signature, where you looked 52 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,680 at the the down the line shape of what the hand path and the club 53 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:02,919 path and what they did together. And that was fascinating. So I got 54 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,159 to go work with some of the best coaches and teachers. I got to 55 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,199 go out on tour and sort of I was like a fly on the wall. 56 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,319 It was phenomenal for somebody that loves the game to be walking, you 57 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,959 know, like on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday at a tour event and 58 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:23,800 a major I got to work with guys like Brennan Steel. He was just 59 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:29,720 a fantastic human, Keegan Bradley, Michelle we Rock immediate, Rick Smith was 60 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:35,079 one of our main coaches. Chuck Cook you know, so and this is 61 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,959 what you were with, Zepp. Yeah. I did that for about six 62 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:45,000 years and that ended probably around the end of two thousand and seventeen, I 63 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,160 think. Okay, so tell me, give me, give me the first 64 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:55,120 crazy story about being out inside the ropes. I'll tell you a great story 65 00:04:55,240 --> 00:05:02,600 that people don't really know is that I walked pretty much everywhere. And the 66 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,319 tour is gonna hate me for saying this, but I walked everywhere where. 67 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:09,879 They're not listening. I promise I walked. That's fine. Yeah, I 68 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:15,040 walked everywhere without credentials. I just they say the whole attitude and a clipboard. 69 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,240 I I dressed like a pro. I looked like a pro. It. 70 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:25,279 It probably helped that I was walking with pros and and coaches, and 71 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,879 but it blew me away because I got to a point where I got pretty 72 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,519 cocky and I only got stopped one time in like five and a half years. 73 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:39,720 And um, but you know, it's if you look like you belong. 74 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:45,560 Another great story I'll say is, um, I was it? Wait 75 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:47,319 did you tell me the first one yet? Well? I was just that 76 00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:51,040 was just it, Like I just I had access to everywhere without really having 77 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,879 to have credentials. That's pretty cool to me. And when you when you 78 00:05:55,959 --> 00:05:58,639 have an attitude, when you walk around with attitude like you owned the place, 79 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,639 no one's gonna stop you. Yeah, right, yeah, just um, 80 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,920 there are so many good stories. I U I ended up in some 81 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:11,720 restaurants on like Tuesday went Monday night. Is fun time to be out on 82 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,160 tour because you get guys that will cut loose and uh, um, you 83 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,920 know you have a few cocktails, you get to hear stories that you never 84 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:29,680 would normally hear. Um, so come on, man, your microphone off. 85 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:33,279 Most of it's caddy stories, but those are the best. Yeah, 86 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:39,720 and uh, those guys are actually Ironically, I moved here to to um 87 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,199 To Carmel two and a half years ago and all my best friends of the 88 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,920 caddies, they're actually surprised. Yeah, a lot of them are better than 89 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:53,720 the actual tour pros themselves. But one funny story I got for you is 90 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 it not so juicy? But I just love this guy hung out with a 91 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,839 little bit with Jerry Kelly, and um, we're at the John Deere and 92 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:08,240 we walked up to the lunch room right after we played, and I watched 93 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:12,199 him go over to the soft serve ice cream machine and get a bowl of 94 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:15,759 ice cream about this big and then just devour it. He might even had 95 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,759 a dip in at the time, But just a good guy. I don't 96 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,639 know. It's just it's a lot of those guys are great out there and 97 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:29,319 to be you know, listen, I wanted to play on tour. I 98 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:32,920 just was never good enough. So the next best thing is sort of being 99 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,240 there and hanging out with these guys. But also then on top of it, 100 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:41,480 I'm a lifetime student of the game, so to sit down and talk 101 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,879 to guys and ask them questions personally and they're so open that kind of blew 102 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,279 me away as well. Yeah, I love having caddies. I love talking 103 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:56,360 to caddies. We had went on number of weeks ago, who two weeks 104 00:07:56,439 --> 00:08:01,399 later was working with kid Kittyama Kurt Dyama when he won that tour event. 105 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:09,160 Because caddies, you know, professional golfers, they've been burned, a lot 106 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:11,439 of them burned by the media, and so they're very guarded about what they 107 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,040 would say. And caddies are like, yeah, so what so they have 108 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:20,360 great stories to share, that's true. Yeah, I mean, are there 109 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:26,399 any magical caddies that you know of, like you know, like if you're 110 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:30,480 read Golf in the Kingdom, right and all these this guy who's hiding in 111 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:33,320 the corner and there's he's like, wait, who is that way? Do 112 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:39,039 you know if anybody like that or like a bag of vance? Yeah exactly, 113 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,720 Um, no, no, I don't. I it's funny though. 114 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:46,279 I do think there are caddies that are a whole lot better than others. 115 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,600 And to me, it's I think it's the ones that are able to help 116 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:54,440 guys mentally. That's where the difference is, to help them either relax, 117 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,919 feel normal or everything's the same, and then um to pull them out of 118 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:05,120 bad decisions or help them to make good ones. And we all know. 119 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:11,559 I mean it's like, why is he hitting driver van Develd. That's just 120 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,639 came up the other day. So, but yeah, I think it's a 121 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,039 team thing. The thing about golf to me is it's a lonely, lonely 122 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,279 sport. It's the loneliest thing game you could play. It's why a lot 123 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:26,759 of kids I think I've always said you have to be kind of an oddball 124 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:31,039 as a kid to play golf, which I was the reason why I played 125 00:09:31,159 --> 00:09:33,559 is I was five foot two, one hundred and nine pounds my freshman year 126 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,320 and so I couldn't play any sports I would get my my butt kicked. 127 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:45,000 And the two sports I wanted to play. I was. I was many 128 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,559 sized and so I couldn't do it. But what are those sports? Football 129 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,480 and football? And basketball? Yeah? Basketball, yeah right, yeah, 130 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,759 really football was my love. But I would I was. I was worse 131 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:01,399 than Rudy I would. I would have just gotten killed. Yeah, my 132 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,279 son wanted to play football and we're like, no, you're not playing football, 133 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,919 and he's like, you know what, Probably a good idea because in 134 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,559 high school I'd be sitting on the bench the whole time. So he went 135 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,480 out for the wrestling team and thrived for four years. Yeah. Sometimes you 136 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,759 know, life pushes you. Yeah, you can be a little guy and 137 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,600 still do well on a wrestling team because it is a team sport for school. 138 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,840 Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, yeah, I listen, 139 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:28,120 we're gonna take a time out. We'll be back right after this and 140 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:37,440 we'll drag some stories out of you. So you live in the Carmel Valley 141 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:43,279 Eric Carmel area down by Monterey, and there's some unbelievable golf down there that 142 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:50,559 you probably get a lot of chances to play best in the world arguably. 143 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:56,279 I'm sure people will make that argument. But yeah, I've played Carmel Valley. 144 00:10:56,399 --> 00:11:00,200 I've played Poppy a couple of times, and I've played, um, 145 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,399 well, I don't know why. I'm just blanking on the name of the 146 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:09,080 most famous of all of them in Pebble Beach, thank you. I played 147 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,240 there once too, that was a long time ago. The Preserve by Glass 148 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,720 Yeah, nope, nope, nope, and nope. And Peninsula yeah, 149 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:24,440 actually nope. How Cypress Point doing these days? I saw some pictures there 150 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,559 after those hard rains and stuff, and I was like, oh my god, 151 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,559 how are they going to ever have golf tournaments there? Is it doing 152 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,879 all right? Great? Yeah? I mean the forest itself. I drove 153 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,639 through there, lost so many trees. I it's unbelievable. But part of 154 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,240 the reason is Carmel's kind of thing about trees, and they should probably cut 155 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:46,679 the back of the doubt. But the courses recovered great. I actually ironically 156 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:52,720 played, maybe right after all the trrential rains, and they Cypress always seems 157 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,960 to be open unless it's unsafe. But I played and it was maybe the 158 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:03,039 wettest conditions ever, but the best conditions. I've got a real good buddy 159 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,320 of mine by the name of Andy Dahlhammer, who is kind of a local 160 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:11,240 legend. He's a thirty eight year caddie there and he set me up with 161 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,080 At the time, I didn't even know who he was, but a pretty 162 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,960 famous caddie out there, or the name of Ray. And I don't know 163 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:22,279 if you've heard the story on this guy, but you make your way around 164 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,720 Cyprus and you get out to fifteen and he says, hey, Patty, 165 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:31,759 follow me, and so he kind of peels off the back, kind of 166 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:37,840 weaving in and out, and there's this side that says Ray lived here from 167 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,759 It's like, I can't remember now, it's it's eighty two to eighty three 168 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:50,399 or seventy nine to eighty And I'm like, you you lived here? He's 169 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,000 like, yeah, I lived in this bush. The caddies used to kind 170 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:56,679 of camp some here, but in order to get a loop, you had 171 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,000 to be the first of the course. So I just started sleeping here. 172 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,039 And it's a famous it's a real Spavius story. So Andy Dalhammer carved out 173 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,279 of wooden black that says that Ray lived here. But apparently there was a 174 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,200 homeless guy that lived there back I mean back in the late eighteen hundreds, 175 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:18,519 you weren't homeless. You just lived out outside and but the neat story is 176 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:22,600 I'm really butchering at the guys. He's been out there for his whole life 177 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:26,799 and he's the sweetest, funniest guy ever. But there's a bench that you 178 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,440 walk out to just from where he lived, and you sit on it where 179 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:37,240 he used to sit, and there is two bottles of petrone tequila and he 180 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:41,039 sits you on the bench and he pours you. He eats a shot of 181 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:48,039 tequila which you slug, and he won't drink because he wants his job and 182 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,679 so he doesn't drink on the job at all. But it's just I don't 183 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,320 know, man, It's one of the probably more magical moments in my golfing 184 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:03,279 life of you talk about homage not only too but still cool about the club 185 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:07,320 as they appreciate and really respect this man in the history. At the same 186 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,720 time they give him a place to share with members and guests, and place 187 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,759 really is magic. I mean, if if they say if you have the 188 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:22,080 chance to walk on those hallowed grounds, you know they say the same about 189 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,639 Augusta. But I guarantee you there's not a a caddy living out there with 190 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:35,320 two bottles tequila at any one point. Probably, Yeah, how often do 191 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:39,799 you use a caddy. I'm curious about this because you're a skilled golfer, 192 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,159 you've been playing most of your life. If I'm if I'm playing am, 193 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:46,879 if I'm playing a great golf course, I will use a caddy. And 194 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,919 in fact, I have a lot of people that will come in and visit 195 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,320 me from all over the world, especially like Ireland and the East Coast, 196 00:14:54,600 --> 00:15:01,120 and if we set up golf at Pebble or Monit, especially if it's their 197 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:03,480 first time, I make them take a caddy. Um. I just think 198 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:11,679 caddies they take they take away the distractions of what a cart can can interfere 199 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:18,080 with. I think that the whole good walk spoiled things. I mean just 200 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,399 I don't know, to be able to be out there walking with somebody that's 201 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,600 carrying your bag and sort of take it all in. It's a whole lot 202 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:30,480 different experience than it is riding in a cart. Yeah, I'm going up 203 00:15:30,519 --> 00:15:35,440 to Bandon in June and I'm really looking forward to just walking and having someone 204 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:39,480 carrying my bag. But you know, I've only had a caddy at Pebble 205 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:45,000 the one time and the one time and that I played at Bandon, and 206 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:48,120 both of those were well over a decade ago. Yeah, so I don't 207 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:50,879 you know, I play the same course as basically most of the time, 208 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:54,960 so I don't use caddies, and then the courses that I go to they 209 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,840 don't offer caddies a lot um. Yeah, but it's it is something you 210 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:03,960 do if for a course that you play on a regular basis. Now I 211 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,879 don't really need to well, I mean the other side the upside of having 212 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:11,799 a caddy, of course, is that they're going to tell you all about 213 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,240 the course and what to hit, and we're not to hit. And that's 214 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,679 you know, when you're playing one of the best courses and it's your first 215 00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:21,759 or second time, third or fourth, it just I mean, especially with 216 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:26,039 helping reading grains. Those guys have been out there for ever. And a 217 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,080 putt that looks like it's going to go right five feet into of going left 218 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:33,879 three it's I think it's helpful. But now I live on a golf course. 219 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,919 I have a cart, so you know, for me, after we 220 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:42,320 talk here, I'm going to jump in my cart, grab a couple of 221 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:47,879 beers, and go play. I'll get in you know, maybe nine holes 222 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:52,480 and it's just quicker that way. But it's a good question. I think 223 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,679 obviously if you're playing a gust that you're taking caddies. But yeah, yeah, 224 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:03,279 actually, August, I just I just I just got a pull cart. 225 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:07,359 Uh so I'm starting to watch starting is it? Is it? Yeah? 226 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,759 What is it? Is it a pull? If it's two wheels, 227 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:14,400 it's pull it. If it's three wheels or four wheels, it's a push. 228 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,359 I haven't seen a two wheel cart. Well, you generally I see 229 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:25,119 the two wheelers when you're renting. You're not gonna you know, Now, 230 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:30,119 this is a Sun Mountain three wheeler. It's like a baby stroller's cart. 231 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:33,319 Yeah. I'm just trying to work the December fat off right now. Yeah, 232 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,680 well, listen, we've had a lot of rain here in northern California, 233 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,880 and it feels like we're taking the whole winter off. I gotta I 234 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,319 owe an apology to people who are from Portland and Seattle, which half my 235 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,319 family is my wife's report and my dad's from Seattle. But how how do 236 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,759 they do it? I mean, forget about that. What about the people 237 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:56,119 in in the you know, the Midwest, the Upper Midwest and the East 238 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,720 Coast where they can't play for five to seven months a year year because of 239 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:03,440 the odd weather. So yeah, I don't. Yeah, we can, 240 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:07,319 we can playing and they say tell us to shut up, Well we are, 241 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,039 We're stop whining. We're the worst though, we are. We're so 242 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:17,160 soft in California. You know that I'm a I'm a weather wind man. 243 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:23,119 If it's under fifty five degrees and damp, I'm out playing. Yeah, 244 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:29,440 me too. Yeah, UM, tell me about You've got some products that 245 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:34,079 you've put out, um popular. The one the Golo dice game was yeah, 246 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:40,759 yeah, that's kind of really um. When you have severe ADHD like 247 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,240 myself, your brain is just constantly on fire. You two yeah, and 248 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:49,559 uh yeah. And so I've always been coming up with ideas, but as 249 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:55,039 you know, for every thousand ideas, one is good. Um. But 250 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,799 I started playing. I was playing a lot of dice, believe it or 251 00:18:57,799 --> 00:19:03,680 not, with um ex military guys at Monterey Peninsula. My dad and brother 252 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:07,359 were members. I've got a brother who's older in me and so but these 253 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,680 guys taught me a bunch of dice games. One I'm talking like fifty games, 254 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,240 and they all gambled. They played for what we're called chits. And 255 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,519 so one of the games was one four twenty four, I teach taught it 256 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:22,839 to my friends ship Captain CRUs another name for it, and I just said, 257 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,559 you know, there's got to be a way you can play golf with 258 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,680 dice. And that's how it started. And I probably within about a month, 259 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:40,279 buddy and I started working on the concept of this and the rest is 260 00:19:40,319 --> 00:19:42,880 really history. I had, I had. It. Took me probably about 261 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,839 three months to take it from a six sided dice to a twelve for the 262 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,400 just because of the odds, but within two minutes you can basically shoot nine 263 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:56,119 holes of golf and it it. It became a huge drinking gambling game for 264 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,720 guys at the club, and then kids love it, and then I like 265 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:04,240 I had. There's so many neat stories about the game. And um, 266 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,640 I still own the game. I licensed it back in two thousand and eleven, 267 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,200 and uh, but yeah, that's kind of how I got my start. 268 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:18,079 And um, everybody started calling me Patti O'Shea and um, it's better 269 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,400 than patio furniture. Well, that's that's that's what. That's the Irish joke. 270 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,119 What's what's Irish? And stays out all summer long? What patio furniture? 271 00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:32,559 Okay, fine, I had to let you take that one. No, 272 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,920 it's horrible since I already ruined the punch. I've already ruined the punch 273 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,960 joke. We can we can cut that, you know. No, you 274 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,920 know, let me say something about dad jokes. Okay, I love dad 275 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,200 jokes? Is it? It's word play, that's what we love. We 276 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,960 love the word play. It's not corny because I have a son who's now 277 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,599 got two kids, and he's ripping off dad jokes all the time. And 278 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,319 I'm like, wait a minute, you used to yell at me for that. 279 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,759 Yeah, yeah, it's all you know. He inherited him from you 280 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:08,319 from generation to generation. Absolutely, it really is, it really is. 281 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:12,920 We're going to take another time out and UM, I want to hear more 282 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:22,039 about some of your new products. Okay, after this all right, So 283 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:29,839 your company is upside Golf and Upside Golf at upside golf dot com, and 284 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:36,599 you have some pretty interesting products that I was looking at. Um, tell 285 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,160 me about the latest things you're working on here. Well, so back in 286 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,759 I was going to say, now that you've got a pushcart and you're making 287 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:47,160 all these products for golf carts, well, I am I am a golf 288 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,559 I am first and foremost a golfer, and I'm still working on my game, 289 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,960 still trying to be better. But the whole concept started with I wanted 290 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,359 to get back into golf, and I started getting buying products for my buddies 291 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,920 and getting them at a at a better price, and just I was constantly 292 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,039 being asked to find stuff. So but the first concept was in seventeen was 293 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:11,920 putting a magnet arrange finder, and I started building like Frankenstein versions of If 294 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,160 She Could See, like just different versions. This was like one of my 295 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:19,359 first molds I had made, and so that's really where it started. In 296 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,319 eighteen I introduced a range finder with a magnet, and then, of course 297 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:33,440 everybody has done it. But then obviously from there, I came up with 298 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,240 the first speaker with a magnet. And these are all Nidenium. It's hard 299 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:42,000 for me to say neodenium magnets, which are like the magnet you were showing 300 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,920 me earlier, is super strong. But we've just advanced. It's gotten better 301 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:51,480 and better. This is our latest and greatest range finder. What is unique 302 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,039 about your range finder? Well, simply it works. It's also got a 303 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,279 slope button, but that's the first and foremost rain shrinders got to work. 304 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:08,119 It's fast, it's reliable. And the whole thing is I'm essentially wholesaling product 305 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:11,839 to people because I don't sell in retail. I only sell direct consumer. 306 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,559 And that's the whole point of upside. When I did go loo, you 307 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,160 know, think about I was it was before the Internet. I was selling 308 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,359 into golf shops and I actually went up and down the coast with a white 309 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,720 panel van selling games. But it was hard to get golf shops to pay 310 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:34,920 me back and collect money. It was brutal. And so when I started 311 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:40,680 again, I wanted to, like I said, find products that were high 312 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:45,119 quality, unique in some way that we're also affordable. And then the other 313 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:51,559 part of it is I just I'm committed to creating raving fans with customers. 314 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,960 We want you back, and we take care of you, no questions, 315 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,359 ask you if any problems. We ship cables, we shipped replacements stuff, 316 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,160 any issues, So we're on top of that and that that's important to us 317 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:11,160 as well. But we've got a pretty cool um phone mount that's remote so 318 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,440 you can record yourself. I just started getting into some training aids. Um 319 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:18,599 let me back up for a second. I want to find out about the 320 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:26,720 training aids. But um, the uh the range finder is it? Do 321 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,400 you have to replace the batteries or are they rechargeable batteries? No chargeable? 322 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,680 In fact, that's kind of the neat thing is no more batteries. Yeah, 323 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:36,119 I just understand why people they're like, oh, you have to replace 324 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,119 the battery on that. No, I don't want to. Yeah, and 325 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:45,640 range finders across the board, they're temperamental. Everybody's gonna think that. But 326 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,400 yeah, and you can charge it in your cart and so that was kind 327 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:56,400 of the next upgrade that to get rid of that. Um so yeah, 328 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:03,880 but again they think just like having one that's accurate and that works as number 329 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,400 one, and then having a company supported, because every I don't care what 330 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:12,279 company it is. Range finders have issues. Even if it gets you think 331 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:18,200 those two scopes, you're sending a laser beam laser from here, it's bouncing 332 00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:21,599 back and going into here. If this gets off a millimeter, if it 333 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,680 if you drop it. I mean, they're just not that durable no matter 334 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:29,599 how you make it right. If you ever used a rangefinder that also had 335 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,839 a GPS with the front mittal back, I have a screen seeing all of 336 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,279 those Yeah, and I listen, I got a buddy that has some people. 337 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:44,039 Some people like a lot of data. I don't, uh you know 338 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,680 an old Well, it's it's not so much that like like, for example, 339 00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:52,039 I was in technology. I owned every track man, Foresight, flight 340 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,119 scope, I had, you know, with the zepp um, and even 341 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,680 my coaching and teaching. I still teach golf, and I think you just 342 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:03,880 do kind of have to strip it down in a way. Um, you 343 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,839 know, as long as I can get a number two like a tree, 344 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:11,000 a lake, the pin um, you know, and then usually all the 345 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,519 carts have front back in middle. Um, not if you're walking. Not 346 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,720 if you're walking. Okay, true, come on, man, see the 347 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,400 young kids that are in the carts like get out of the cart and raw. 348 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:26,079 Not true. It's I think what it is is the the guys that 349 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,319 like to have a good time and have a few a few beers are in 350 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,960 the carts because they have coolers. That would probably be if this were family 351 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:41,559 few the number one survey answer on the poor drinking or it's too tiring. 352 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:51,839 Yeah probably yeah right, um what other products? So, uh tell me 353 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:55,880 about the training aid? Oh? I so for one year, as I 354 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,480 said, earlier. I'm getting older, but um stop saying that it's It's 355 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,079 true, though, is it? Clinty Stwood says, don't let the old 356 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:10,960 man in. So I went on a year research mission on trying to gain 357 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:12,640 ten miles an hour, and so I bought and tried a whole lot of 358 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:19,720 products and just sort of simplified, um, a swing weighted trainer into one 359 00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:25,279 one item that was affordable where you can unscrew the weights. But and then 360 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:29,759 I've put together a bunch of videos that go along with it. And I 361 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:33,559 mean, look, I've I've I've had some experience with training and understanding speed 362 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,440 and swing, especially with all the years I've coached and and all the videos 363 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:44,599 I've created. But the anything is it works and you get people to what's 364 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,279 ironic is in training with speed with this thing. What's come out of is 365 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,720 this sequencing has really been a big deal, and which I'm not sure that's 366 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,279 a word that's talked about a lot, but it's essentially the everything moving in 367 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,240 the right all the parts moving in the right way. So that training is 368 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:03,640 besides speed, is sequencing. And you know, in order to hit a 369 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,319 golf ball right, you do have to have speed. You know, you 370 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,599 can't hit a for iron if you're if you're not swinging fast enough. Same 371 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,839 with a driver. A golf club works better when it's swinging faster. So 372 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,759 most of the time I think what happens is we get olders, we get 373 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:26,440 tighter, we get less flexible, so we shorten our swing when we should 374 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,039 be constantly working on overswinging. I think, you know, which is crazy 375 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,400 to me. I keep hearing people like swing softer and within yourself, and 376 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,720 I think that's complete bs, I really do, And I think, yeah, 377 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:41,319 I do. I think you've got to get long and language. You 378 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,200 know, guys like Gary player Daily hasn't really shortened his move. You see, 379 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:51,319 Phil is constantly working on like VJ. Patty Harrington, who's now the 380 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,599 longest driver. He spent the last two years doing the exact same thing with 381 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,160 speed training. Look look at all these guys up what they're doing right now. 382 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,799 A lot's change in that side of the game. So I'm not really 383 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:07,480 clear exactly what your product is. It's called the concept of being able to 384 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:12,240 increase your swing speed. And we had a conversation recently with Jacob Owden. 385 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,640 All right, I'm looking to see if I have it in here. I 386 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,880 don't know. That's okay, it's an audio podcast. You can tell me 387 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,880 it's It's called the thunderstick. Thank you, Thank you, sir. It's 388 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:29,440 called the thunderstick, and it's it's weighted heavier than a driver. It's got 389 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:34,839 three weights on it that that you can unscrew to a lighter weight and graham 390 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,359 weight so you can swing it. You know, Let's say you swing a 391 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,960 golf club at ninety eight miles an hour. Um. You know, you 392 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:48,960 work from from heavy to light and um. By the time you get to 393 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,599 the lightweight, you can swing it like at one hundred and twenty miles an 394 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,319 hour. So it's it's just like car racing. A car you get used 395 00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:59,240 to driving fast. You get used to swinging fast. You know. When 396 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:03,039 I was kid, I worked with some great instructors and the world with swing 397 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:06,599 as hard as you can as long as you're balanced. And that's a big 398 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,880 part of it too. So you you know, speed training, you are 399 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,279 actually getting used to swinging fast. That's it. And with that comes balance. 400 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:19,519 You know. You get to a point to One of my favorite things 401 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:25,240 with the product is that a lot of times, like I was talking about 402 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,799 this afternoon, I will race out to meet some of my buddies who are 403 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:32,599 already on the course, you know, like I'll be working later or whatever, 404 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,480 so I got to meet him. On twelve. I'll get to the 405 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:40,160 tea and I do like a one minute warm up where I am, I 406 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,160 stretch a bit, and then I work on my range of motion and then 407 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:48,039 I build up. I make probably about twenty swings, and on my last 408 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,599 five swings, I'm swinging a one hundred and twenty percent. And then usually 409 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,400 when you're on the ball, you're dialed back, but that's kind of how 410 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,079 you get there. I think it's I think it's brilliant actually, um versus 411 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,960 you know, having to warm up for three holes and feeling like the tin 412 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:14,319 Man from the Wizard of Ozz right because you've got no oil. Yeah, 413 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,000 well that's why you should definitely go warm up before you're round. You know, 414 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,640 it's true, it's true. But the truth of the matter, Fred, 415 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,200 and I'm sure you know this is most guys are either racing from work 416 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:30,440 or they just dropped their kids off, or they've got like a of one 417 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:36,680 hour and ten minute window where they're squeezing in, you know, and at 418 00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:41,640 least all my buddies here that way and um so, practically speaking, it's 419 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,119 it is hard to warm up. But if you can do at least do 420 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,799 something in one to five minutes, it makes a huge difference. Fast. 421 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:53,079 Yeah, good, good, All right, one more break, we'll be 422 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,519 back and we'll find out more about your teaching. Now. There were a 423 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,759 couple of months into fresh up our mechanics for the new golf season with the 424 00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:07,680 guidance from the late Tony Manzoni, we're facing a different problem doubt, second 425 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:14,599 guessing, self, sabotage, lack of trust. That's why we're bringing back 426 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:20,119 another hero of golf instruction who appeared on Golf Smarter six times, doctor Glenn 427 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,960 Allba. And we're doing it unfortunately because I'm sorry to announced that doctor Alba 428 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,480 passed away on February nine, twenty twenty three, at the age of ninety 429 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:35,720 one. Glenn was a pioneering sports psychologist and a giant in the world of 430 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:39,119 golf's mental game. An author of two books that we covered extensively on the 431 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:45,000 podcast. He was also a professor and the golf coach at the University of 432 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:50,599 Pacific for nearly three decades, and among his many accolades. Glenn was awarded 433 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,480 an honorary lifetime status in the PGA in twenty eleven and was inducted into the 434 00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:00,480 Golf Writers Hall of Fame in twenty thirteen. Information about donations in memory of 435 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:05,960 doctor Alball will be listed in the show notes and will also include links to 436 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,680 an article about Glenn's life and his two books on Amazon. So Over the 437 00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:15,359 next six episodes of Golf Smarter Mulligans will feature all the insights and wisdom he 438 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:21,200 shared with us, starting with episode forty one of Golf Smarter, published on 439 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,440 September six, two thousand and six, about his first book, Winning the 440 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:30,839 Battle Within. The perfect swing is the one you trust. Trusting you're totally 441 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,680 committed to the strategy, trusting the fact that you're aimed, and this trusting, 442 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,160 this swing. Pre shot lutine has been talked about over and over again 443 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,240 in many periodicals, but it's just really essential that we have a well defined 444 00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,519 pre shot routine. Now, Physically it worked like this. Typically a person 445 00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:51,480 stands behind the ball where they make the decision on their strategy. Then they 446 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,839 walk up into their address position and at that time their conscious mind is quiet 447 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,240 and they're seeing the shot, and then they aim, making sure that they 448 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,079 keep their imagination out to the target, in other words, feel a swing 449 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,760 that matches what they see, and then after the last look at the target, 450 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,519 to trust what they see and feel. So that's how the pre shower 451 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,719 tune works. Doesn't guarantee great shot, but it certainly gives you the best 452 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:23,000 chance to trust the swing as you have. That's Golf Smarter Mulligan's episode two 453 00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:28,960 hundred and nine, the first of six episodes in our series featuring another great 454 00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:34,000 friend who we recently lost, doctor Glenn Alba. Check the show notes to 455 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:37,480 learn more about Glenn and how to get either of his books, Winning the 456 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:43,039 Battle Within and The Clutch Golfer Formula. Please subscribe for free to both of 457 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:47,519 our golf podcasts, Golf Smarter, published every Tuesday since two thousand and five, 458 00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:52,360 and our sister podcast that revisits the best of the Golf Smarter podcast called 459 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:58,920 Golf Smarter Mulligans, being released every Friday from wherever you're listening right now. 460 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:07,039 In your years as a PGA professional and a teaching professional, did you ever 461 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:12,000 happen to hear a guy named Tony Manzoni? Oh? Are you kidding me? 462 00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,480 The legend. Yeah, really you know who he is? Oh, 463 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:19,000 I can't tell you how many people I'd bring them up. They're like, 464 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,239 no, no clue, no clue, And what a legend. I mean, 465 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:30,320 how do you know Tony he was? I met him on the podcast 466 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,320 he had the very first time he came on. He was with somebody else 467 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,519 who had a Shot Watch I think it was, and this was probably two 468 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:45,000 thousand seven or eight, and I just he's just such a great storyteller and 469 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,920 he's he was an amazing communicator. So we had him on the podcast a 470 00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:54,199 lot, a lot, and when he passed away in twenty eighteen, I 471 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,800 was still getting emails every time he was on from listeners saying I want to 472 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,800 know more. I want to know more. And then when he passed away, 473 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:07,679 his book had gone out of print and the author and I worked with 474 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:13,239 his wife to get it back out available and available on a Kindle, which 475 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:19,000 it wasn't. And then he had a DVD that he had created that they 476 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,159 ran out of copies, so they just never printed anymore. And so I 477 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,119 now have access and share it with the audience. I you can just see 478 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,800 it online. So Tony was a hero of golf Smarter and the Golf Smarter 479 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,559 community for a long time, and he still is. Well, that's ironic 480 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:42,079 because you know, there's very few people that you meet in your life that 481 00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:49,159 have an instant impact or like he's a kindred spirit right away and he you 482 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,480 know, he's thirty years older than me or whatever it is. But I 483 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,079 so ironically, I was at ZEP and I get this phone call, like 484 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,840 two phone calls, and the messages, Hey, Patty, how are you 485 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,840 doing? This is Tony Manzoni. What's going on? Listen? You got 486 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,159 that ZEP product? Can you do me a favor and fly down to the 487 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,199 desert and teach my boys how to use it? Because I think it's fantastic 488 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,360 and I think you could help my team just just like that. And I'm 489 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,639 like, I'm literally like, who who is this guy? Like he's he's 490 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,639 casted from the Sopranos, right And so I immediately I call him up and 491 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,840 he's this sweetheart of a guy. And I had a budget back then. 492 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,719 We were doing well, we were a newly funded company, and I said, 493 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,760 Hey, there's a guy down there and wants me to go work with 494 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,280 his team. And my CEO said, yeah, go for it. So 495 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:46,400 I flew down by myself and spent a couple of days with his team, 496 00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:50,760 just working on when I was talking about that swing signature club in hand path 497 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,000 still College of the Desert, Yeah, and still some kids, I remember. 498 00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:04,679 So I go down and he just was a funny man, like we're 499 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,960 in the so I didn't even have it, haven't had a word with him. 500 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,480 We walk into the shop, it's like, Patty, how you doing 501 00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:14,880 with Tony? And and so a very pretty lady comes walking and she's probably 502 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,440 I gotta say forty five or fifty, and she's asking him a question and 503 00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:22,760 he's being super polite to her, and and then he turns around. He's 504 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,920 like, Patty followed me to the office. And we walked down to this 505 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,480 little corridor and he stops dead in a diamond. He turns around, he 506 00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:32,320 goes you know, you'd think it's seventy seven you still wouldn't be attracted to 507 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,920 a woman. But I gotta tell you that shit never goes away. I 508 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,800 just I didn't even know the guy. And God, but he wasn't being 509 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,840 he wasn't hitting on her at all. He was just saying, hey, 510 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,239 you know, he appreciates pretty women. By then we walk into his office 511 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,199 and I don't know if you'd been in his office ever, but it's a 512 00:38:52,239 --> 00:39:00,239 shrine. I mean, he's got pictures of everyone, and I'm talking all 513 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,440 the celebrities, old school guys, Hope, Sinatra, Angie Dickinson, h 514 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:12,559 Crosby, the whole rat. And so, of course I actually had the 515 00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,719 wherewithal when I was twenty one in college to buy eight tickets to go see 516 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,480 Sinatra on his seventy fifth birthday. And I went and saw him at the 517 00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:24,079 Circle Star Theater. I took three of my buddies in their dates, and 518 00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:30,039 uh saw. I had this love affair for he and I hit it off 519 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:37,079 immediately. And as you know, he was Sinatra's golf coach among other things, 520 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:43,679 among other things, and Sinatra was his daughter's godfather. Yes, yes, 521 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,559 I did know that. And but he could sing. That was the 522 00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:51,239 whole hidden thing about Tony. He had a set of pipes and Sinatra would 523 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:57,840 occasionally make him sing um yes. And and he here's another great Snatra story. 524 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,239 They told me. He goes, he goes these Sinatra parties that he 525 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,840 would have in this is down in Palm Desert, and he'd say there was 526 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,639 an a table, and there was a B table and if you were like 527 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:13,920 an important guy that night you said, at Frank's a table and just like 528 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:17,679 little gyms like that. He told some stories too that I can't I can't 529 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:23,280 and will not repeat. But one night, so to make a story a 530 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:28,199 little longer, I came back to film the team because they ended up winning 531 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,079 the national championship, which I know they won a lot of but he was 532 00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:37,079 I think they only won won national championship, but they won the regional championships 533 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:40,400 twenty eight years in a row. Yeah. Well, he had told me 534 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,400 they won the big one and asked me to come down, and I said, 535 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,599 well, can I film your testimonials because after we worked with them, 536 00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:51,559 So that's what we did. I brought a film crew in and he said 537 00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:55,639 to me, hey, Patty, can you do me a favor and teach 538 00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:01,559 my friend Tony Trilatto. Now do you know who Tony Torlatto is? I 539 00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:08,760 do not. Tony Torlatto makes Tony Manzoni not look as Italian as Tony Manzoni 540 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:15,639 as Torlatto was like the godfather of Sanjo Vsi. He he worked in Chicago 541 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,440 during the crime mob areas and he got sent here to work with Mandab so 542 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:25,639 he would get out of trouble of getting you know, whacked wow, And 543 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:31,039 so he ended up owning He owned Chimney Rock Rutherford. So I got to 544 00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:35,440 do some work with him and his swing and he was a much older guy, 545 00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:37,760 but just as sweetheart him. So both of them asked me to go 546 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,239 to dinner one night, and I said, you guys know, I'm irish. 547 00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:44,440 They wanted to take me to an Italian restaurant. We get into this 548 00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:50,679 place in the desert and there's there's four of us, and the whole place 549 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,039 came to the table. I just felt like I was with and what gentleman 550 00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:59,440 man, I mean, these guys are just salt of the earthmen. And 551 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,480 Torlato was introducing new new beverages and wines and but those guys knew how to 552 00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:10,079 live. I much respect for Tony Manzoni. I missed that guy. Oh 553 00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:14,440 yeah, so do I, So do I, and so does the community. 554 00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:17,719 They're getting emails regularly going who teaches like Tony? I want to know 555 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,679 more. He was nobody. You know, it's a great communicator. I 556 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,760 think some of the best coaches in the world that the secret ingredient is that 557 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,480 they're coachable, and that guy never stopped learning and that was his vibe. 558 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:34,119 He gave off a vibe that he didn't know everything and he was constantly I 559 00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,960 mean, think about it. He brought me into coaches team. So wow, 560 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:43,840 yeah anymore. I mean I never got a chance to go out to 561 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:50,000 dinner with him. I met with him in person twice and there's video of 562 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,239 it on our on our website we have we have a whole page dedicated to 563 00:42:53,320 --> 00:43:00,840 him at Gulfsmarter dot com and lowercase teeth Tony. Yeah. Yeah, he 564 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,840 was fantastic. Yeah, that's so awesome that you knew him. Yeah, 565 00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:12,079 I feel privileged for sure. Yeah, absolutely, he was. Just I 566 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,719 want to hear some more stories from you about him at some point. Oh, 567 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,119 it sounds like you knew him. Sounds like you knew him better than 568 00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:22,760 I did. Well, you know, we would have these hour long conversations 569 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,400 a couple of times a year, but it was you know, over the 570 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,280 phone, and you know, if I got a chance to meet him, 571 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,559 I would go down. If I was down in the Palm Desert area, 572 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:32,800 we used to own a time share down there, and so I would always 573 00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:36,559 meet up with him and then yeah, if he had a new idea, 574 00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:37,559 he would give me a call and going what do you think of this one? 575 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:43,360 You know? Yeah, but yeah he's missed. There's no question he's 576 00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:47,559 one of the originals. Yeah, yes, yes, absolutely. Uh, 577 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,000 well, it's awesome to talk to you. I've really enjoyed this conversation. 578 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:57,320 Yeah, enlighten me on so many things. Good luck with the with the 579 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,840 the new products. Yeah, I think people people should definitely check out upside 580 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,320 goolf dot com. Um, the thunderstick is a great one. If you 581 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,760 need a good rangefinder that has magnets on it, and let me with magnets, 582 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,880 let me do I'll send you a code for your listeners then get that 583 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,159 would be awesome. We'll call it golf Smarter or something, but you can 584 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,280 you can post it in the video. Yeah, put it in golf Smarter 585 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:24,599 And um, what are you going to offer them? I don't know what 586 00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:28,599 do you think I should offer him? Let's I'm not gonna tell you. 587 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:35,599 I'm gonna wow, that's incredibly generous. Absolutely, okay, all right, 588 00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:40,079 twenty percent with a with a checkout code of golf Smarter UM at upside goolf 589 00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:45,360 dot com. You you got really nice. Yeah, absolutely my pleasure. 590 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:51,800 Fred. So check out the products and training aids, especially the thunderstick, 591 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,280 and he has many helpful items. 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Also, if you're familiar with the 605 00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:12,000 videos by Scratch featuring Eric Lander's Lange and his Adventures in Golf YouTube series, 606 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,960 his video about Northwood, which lives on the Northwood homepage at Northwoodgolf dot com 607 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,559 is absolutely beautiful and is what sealed the deal for me on why I'm going 608 00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:25,840 out there tomorrow and I'll give you an update next week. I want to 609 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,159 give it a shout out to Cully Johnston of Berwin, Illinois for opening today's 610 00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:36,920 episode as our newest Golf Smarter Ambassador. Cully chose to receive Tony Manzoni's video 611 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,679 of the Lost Fundamental. Do you realize how easy it is to become a 612 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,880 Golf Smarter Ambassador. There are two ways to do it. 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