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Well off of a weekend that has
seen Richardson Hitchens have a little bit more

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difficult time than what we may be
thought in the Matchroom Boxing main event.

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It has seen Diego Pacheco in the
co feature in Las Vegas have a little

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more difficult time than what we may
have thought. We are ready to break

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down those fights. We have the
WBC Junior well toweight world champion Devin Haney

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on this podcast as well and much
more. It is the Fight Freaks Unit

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Recap. I am the somewhat capable
host TJ. Reeves. He is our

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insider, Dan Rayfield, back aboard
from his Fight Freaks Unite substack ind Bigfight

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Weekend dot com. Big Dan.
Good to be back with you. You

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know, it doesn't really matter actually
where we are, but I always like

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to give the audience a peak,
pull the curtain back. I am doing

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this show while in Glendale, Arizona, hanging out here at the men's basketball

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Final four, doing a bunch of
broadcast work for tune in, etc.

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For the men's Monday night NCAA Championship
game now Connecticut and Purdue. So good

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to be back with you, even
though I'm in the desert I'm now on

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Pacific time. I'm totally screwed up
on what day, what time? You

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do this all the time routinely,
and I travel a bunch too, But

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I'm West Coast TJ right now or
whatever this is considered out here in the

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desert. But it's good to be
with you. Hope. The weekend was

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good and we got some interesting fights
to go over, some news and some

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Marco Antonio Berrera nostalgia, Little Muhammad
Ali, little Buster Douglas nostalgia. How

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you doing? Are we gonna talk
about the eclipse? Yeah? So what's

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going on with where you can see
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the Sun. Actually know that?
All right? So I saw the diagonal

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line of demarcation in North America.
I know we got an audience outside of

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North America, but I'm not able
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correct? Are you able to see
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It's supposed to be not the full
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but we're in the realm, so
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some of it, apparently. So
it starts as I've read in Mexico,

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and it kind of does like a
northeast. Uh a minute, I'm near

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Mexico, but I'm not near enough
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the map. I don't think you
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where it starts in that area in
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guess the south, like the northern
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you want to call like that through
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and I know, like some of
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it is they listed like Syracuse,
Rochester, my old near my old stomping

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grounds and uh. But the reason
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kind of know about it is because
I've been reading about it, but also

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because I've been getting like a thousand
things from my son's school where they have

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to have the kids get a permission
slip to get the glasses so they got

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right right. Remember, well,
we totally digress, and I promise we'll

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get the boxing in a moment or
two. By the way, this is

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the kind of stuff you want on
the podcast. Right here, What Ray

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Phil and I are doing with the
nostalgia state tune because it involves a welding

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helmet. It involves a welding help
we're boxing experts and we're astronomers. Yes,

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don't mess with my teas. This
involves a welding helmet in Little TJ

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stand By. But anyway, rate
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Spotify, join us if you want
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if you want you know h H
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you know what kind of chemicals blow
things up? Also, Devin Haney,

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I promise coming up here in a
few minutes the Ryan Garcia pay per view

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around the corner. Dan talk to
him about that. Uh so, you

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know, we'll get to the fight
recaps. But anyway, did you like

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me When we were in elementary school, we were much younger, and there

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was one of these full lunary eclipses. We were probably like third or fourth

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grade. Because you and I are
or solar this was this was a solar

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eclipse. Well, however, you
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front, so no, no,
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So so solar lips. I remember
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and they with this was so primitive. They let us put on a full

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on welding helmet, got a full
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and see half of the sun.
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that, by the school system allowing
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remember it. Did you do anything
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had? And this was what they
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school, which why I kept getting
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where they're going to provide all the
kids with glasses. But what we did

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is what the kids were doing,
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you caught like a pinhole in it
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so you don't get the full force
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you charge you actually to like send
send like an empty like cherios box or

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whatever to school. He's literally looking
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we're not going to do that,
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So they're gonna give them the official
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like that? The ones that are
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specific kind of sunglasses that all the
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that are provided by the school that
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I mean, what the full I
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of people get the boxing. Yes, a lot of people seem to think

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that we wander around in darkness frequently, so an eclipse is perfect thrust on

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a Monday, so everybody be well, can they see this? They can't

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really see this other than like North
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of North America. So when the
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be in an area that will encompass
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to see this thing, I still
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This happened a few years ago,
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spot was was Carbondale, Illinois,
in the middle of Illinois, and they

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had the whole town hosting all of
these parties. Because it was in the

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middle of the day, it was
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minutes or like a minute and a
half however long. And so one more

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thing at its peak, apparently this
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Four minute, animals will go crazy
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the bugs will do shit. Okay, they've remade, They've remade the ghost

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Busters movie. So are you quoting
doctor Peter Veinkman, Bill Murray or my

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cats and Dogs living together mass hysteria. Whatever happens tomorrow, nobody crosses the

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streams because this would be bad.
Bad isn't bad? Or bad isn't good?

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Good line? All right, let's
get to the boxing. What's up

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with Richardson Hitchins having this kind of
problem with Gustavo Limos. We you and

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I previewed this. We handicapped it
on the bet us A boxing show this

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past Friday, but this was a
much tougher fight. Limos was hitting him

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frequently and even though he got the
decision. I come away from this with

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more questions here than answers, maybe
about Hitchins as a big time world title

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contender. That's me saying that you
analyze it more, what do you?

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I don't come away with it that
I come away with with. We've wanted

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to see Hitchins pushed because he's so
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he's fot some solid guys, whether
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mean, and he has he has
the amateur credentials behind him. He beat

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Malie Hawkins, who was at one
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to win over granted he was a
little long in the tooth, but the

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victory over our Genis Mendez, a
former world champion, granted in in the

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lower weight class. All I'm saying
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into this fight, he had faced
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and he made all of those fights
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see what's going to happen when somebody
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And so, yeah, you say
there's questions. I actually I got a

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lot of my questions answered. You
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his post fight interview, do you
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He does have dog in it now. He grabbed and held and Frankly,

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Rabalkayes Junior, who's typically an outstanding
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in robal Kay Senor, never once
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dramatic amounts of holding he did.
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they're not gonna call it, you
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that's the bottom line. So I
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he would have been forced to stop
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certainly swung the fight given how close
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felt like Richardson Hitchins answered the questions
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He can take a punch, He
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sit there and bang it out with
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aggressive opponent, he can do so. And if you're gonna be fighting Sabrill

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Mattias for the IVF title, which
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so he's in line to be the
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and Liam Paro in their June fifteenth
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This was actually like a good fight
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you know that's an aggressive puncher.
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be facing a similar guy in Sibril
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give me how much do you believe
he was hurt? It was the eighth

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round, right, how much do
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was really hurt because he was backing
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hurt. But it's boxing, you
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point, he goes, yeah,
you know, he got me with a

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good shot. But one punch doesn't
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get knocked out, it doug,
but in that case it didn't. So

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yeah, that was a very big
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that nobody really gave much of a
chance. That was based largely on two

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factors. One, he had twenty
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the fight against the feather that had
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featherweight to lightweight. And also because
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But what I did say in very
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on the podcast or on our US
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time. If you were from Argentina
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you're a tough dude, you can
you can fight, and you got a

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chin usually and Gustavo Loemos was in
phenomenal condition props to him, tip by

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hat which I'm wearing a tremendous condition
for this fight when at one hundred miles

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an hour from the opening belt.
Now, I've seen that a million times.

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Guys can go all out full blast
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four, five, six, seven
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Lamos never really seemed to really lose
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do that virtually the entire of the
twelve rounds, and you know, credit

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to him. And as Eddie Hearn
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we want to see him again.
Absolutely. I mean, I know he

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lost the fight, but absolutely want
to see him again. And there's a

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lot of people out there that felt
he won the fight. So we can

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talk about the scoring. Just for
the record, I scored the fight one

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fourteen to one fourteen and gave Lamos
round number twelve, which got him the

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draw on my scorecard. But if
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cards, you know it was a
little bit of an uphill battle for him,

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because you know, he obviously lost. Tim Cheatham who typically is a

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very good judge, had it one
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Most people criticize that dramatically because,
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the time, there's always that one
wacky outlier score that can drive people absolutely

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crazy when it comes to the way
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two scores were one fifteen to one
thirteen in favor of Hitchens, and I

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felt like those are perfectly legit now
grant them. Like I said, I

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scored to fight a draw, but
I didn't think there was anything wrong with

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that. But Limos won the twelfth
round on my card. I can't figure

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out how the all three judges gave
Hitchens the twelfth round, which obviously made

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him go to us to win the
fight, you know, seven rounds to

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five. But listen, it was
a close fight, and neither guy has

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anything to be ashamed of. They
both bought their asses off, clearly.

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Limos was the more aggressive fighter,
definitely the heavier puncher. But the one

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thing that he was able to do
was he roughed up Richardson Hitchins, What's

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no one had ever been able to
do before. He hit him in the

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body quite a bit landed like over
sixty body punches way more than Richardson did.

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But richards and Hitchins he grabbed maybe
excessively, but it worked because the

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ref didn't call it, so it's
not his fault. He just kept doing

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what he was getting allowed to get
by with. He also had a very

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heavy jeb Richardson Hitchins showed he's always
had a good jet, but he really

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stuffed it down the middle against Limos
in that fight. And it was a

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matter of style, what do you
like? And you know, the pure

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aggression that wasn't all effective or a
little bit of a lesser pace, but

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a guy that was fined in a
home for a tremendous number of jabs and

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uh, you know, it was
a good fight. And and Richardson Hitchin's

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gonna go on and fight for a
world title and potentially it's superal Mattias.

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We'll see he's now at the Mattroom
umbrella. Maybe that is that's the man.

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Maybe that is next for later this
year. We will find that out

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in the coming weeks and months after
that defense by Mattias, all right on

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the co feature the same kind of
thing. You and I both very high

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on Diego Pacheco. We both thought
knockout and he did not get it.

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How much again, same kind of
question, do we credit Sean McCalman.

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I loved your phraseology on your sub
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your stuff you send me here.
I'm even out in Arizona and we're going

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to talk about Buster Douglas later.
And when I read the phrase heretofore unknown

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didn't didn't either Jim Lampley or Larry
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that. I love my feel paceology. I love that I remember the phraseology.

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But you know, look, this
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a young fighter like Pachecko on.
He's twenty three, so they here too

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more unknown. As Sean McCalman is
named from Denver, how much did we

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credit him? Or was Pacheck go
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both? What do you think?
I think it's a combination of both.

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Here you have a fighter that was
there to try to win. So credit

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to Sean McCalman, who did what
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a good job and do what he
was best at. He was awkward,

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he had a hard head. He
took some good shots, he moved his

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head, his defense was pretty sound, and Pachecko may have been a little

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bit off, but maybe it was
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guy in frunt of him was was
was not scared. He was there to

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win. And I know you got
to give the guy credit. I mean,

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I know he never fought anybody and
he never even fought a ten round

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fight before. All his previous fights
were eight or less, no real distinction

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on his record. A little bit
older, you know, at this level

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in his career, he's thirty years
old, already had never done anything yet.

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But you know, like guys,
I say this on our podcast,

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I sat on our betting show.
I've said it a million times at my

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time of writing about boxing. You
know, you can measure the stats.

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You can look at the record,
you can talk about, you know,

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their knockouts, you can talk about
the level of opponents safe face. What

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you can't measure is the desire that
a person has inside their heart when they

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get into their ring man or woman. And Sean McCalman was there to try

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to win. Now he was outgunned, and I know that that he gave

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Pacheco a little bit of trouble,
but I don't want it. This is

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not like the hitching situation with Lamos, where it was life and death kind

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of fight. It could have really
gone either way. You know, he

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was awfully close to losing. In
the end, Diego Checko won this fight

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going away. One judge did have
it six rounds to four, one added

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seven rounds to three, the other
headed eight to two. I felt like

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eight two seven three is the right
card. And the rounds that mcalman won

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were in the first half of the
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the fight two rounds to two and
you're like, okay, we got a

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close fight. But by the time
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it was all Diego Picchecko. I
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him out, and credit to the
chin of mcalman, but this was not

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a Richardson Hitchin situation whish and this
was a a Diego Pacheco that got himself

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in the groove, that settled down
and found the rhythm, that started to

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make a few adjustments to use his
length, and in the end was taken

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a two McCalman and clearly was the
winner. Of the fight with no questions

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asked. All right, So Pacheco
fought four times a year ago, very

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active, he wins here. Would
you anticipate, we don't know. Would

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you anticipate that we're gonna see him
again in the next ninety one hundred and

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twenty days, right back active again
like what we saw in twenty twenty three.

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Uh, I don't know what the
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I don't know. You know,
if he's come out of this particular

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fight with any kind of injuries,
it can seem that, but you never

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know for sure. Certainly nothing was
mentioned in the immediate of the you know,

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in the post fight interview or anything
like that in terms of an injury.

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He only fought. He fought three
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he had fought at the end of
twenty twenty two, So he did fight

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four times in the span of I
guess eleven months. But I expect him,

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you know. They they talked quite
a bit in the postfight about,

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you know, they got this kind
of good learning fight out of the way,

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get the rounds to go in,
and they would like to fight a

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top ten type of opponent. Who
that would be what. You know,

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we all have different definition of who's
a top ten and were talking about a

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sancxing body with bad rankings, or
we're talking about sort of an unbiased group

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of rankings who the best guys are. But look, Diego Pacheco, to

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me, is ready to fight the
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yeah, he didn't get a knockout, but so what, he still

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won the fight going away, and
I make the point on his maybe on

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his worst night, he still won
seven out of ten rounds. So I

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didn't think it was a negative situation. It was it explosive. No,

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was it like super exciting. No, but you're not gonna have every fight

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it's going to be like that.
So to me, if you're a Diego

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Pacheco's fan or supporter or you think
he's got a lot of potential, this

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was okay. This was exactly the
kind of fight that that you need to

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have a little bit of a a
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guy that's there not to fall down. And you know what, I know,

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mccalluman lost and he's disappointed, I'm
sure about that, but that was

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the kind of performance and go in
the distance with that kind of guy winning

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some round, showing that he was
there to try to win, and pushing

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this young fighter, you know,
in a good way. He's going to

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you know, keep your phone on
because it's gonna ring. He's gonna get

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opportunities for other kinds of fights.
We like that, all right. Rest

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of the matchroom card that included Sky
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also Gallia five victorious as well.
What else stood out real quick in Vegas

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on the matchroom card? Well,
in terms of Sky Nicholson, So she

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had been the interim WBC Women's champion. Obviously Amanda Serrano was the undisputed champion,

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and when the WBC declined to approve
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minutes twelve rounds at three minutes apiece, she vacated the title because now she's

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in a position where she can call
some shots and she wants to fight three

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minute rounds and fight championship distance of
twelve rounds. So the other organization are

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okay with that. Her opponents have
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did not want to do that,
so the title became vacant. Now normally

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in that scenario, the interim champion
would just simply be elevated to the full

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title holder. And I did not
know this until they talked about on the

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broadcast the other night that Sky Nicholson
said, no, I want to fight

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for the title. So she went
into the fight against Food, who was

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a former title holder of the IVF
in that way class, whose only loss

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was a decision to Serrano in a
unification fight. So Nicholson said, I

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didn't want to just be elevated to
the champion. I wanted to hear them

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say in the ring, have my
moment in the ring and the new WBC

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featherweight champion. And she did that
because she took it to Mafood, who

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frankly just looked absolutely horrible. I
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One judge actually gave her around.
My boy Steve weisefelt so maybe I have

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to ask Steve what Rowndey found to
give hercause I didn't really look at the

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scorecard yet, but to me,
that was a ten to nothing shutout with

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no rounds that were even that close. And Sky Nicholson wins the title,

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and you know, she did make
you know, the normal nonsense about how

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Serana was like avoiding her and she
knows that's not true, but that's you

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know whatever, It makes you sleep
well at night. But in all serious

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no, Sky looked good in that
fight. She she took it to what

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I felt was an opponent in Mafood
who was completely overmatched, an outclass And

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it does show you, frankly,
sometimes in certain divisions and certain fights,

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the lack of depth in the women's
boxing, because an equivalent of Food would

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never have a world title in men's
boxing. She's just not at that level.

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In any way, she performed Sky
Nicholson. You know, she's improving,

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she's still young, she's an Olympian. She was in great shape.

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She looked like she could have probably
gone, you know, fifteen rounds at

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two minutes, you know, but
she did a good job. She did

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exactly what she wanted to do.
She was having fun in there, she

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was smiling, she was dancing around, and let's be honest, she's good

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looking, she's marketable, she can
fight some so this helps. This helps

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absolutely elevation. But the main thing
she's got the title. And you mentioned

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some of the other undercard fights.
So Galalia Phi, who was the British

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twenty twenty Olympic gold medalist, So
he's moving really quickly because he's already thirty

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one years old, so they're not
wasting any time. He turned prone a

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ten rounder. He was in another
ten rounder defending his regional WBCA belt and

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matched him ouver with a tough dude, Augustin Gatto, who's twenty one and

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one, and you know, he
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But the thing is if I he
admitted in his post fight interview that sometimes

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he gets a little too excited and
he leaves himself exposed and he gets tagged

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and makes it exciting for the fans. But he needs to tighten that up

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because it's going to cost him against
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he's fighting, for example, they
were talking after the fight, maybe he

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would fight Sonny Edwards. It's a
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You know, maybe not the next
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future. And you know, Sonny's
not a big puncher, but if he

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cracks you like that, as the
top professional he has been for a long

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time, you know, you might
have some troubles. So he doesn't need

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to tighten that up. But he's
exciting and he's going to move very quickly,

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and you know it was it was
a good win. And the other

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fight that was on the main show
was one of my favorite prospects, and

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that's a junior lightweight, Mark Cashrow, you know, big time amateur.

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Now he's twelve and zeros, a
pro getting the reps. Had a good

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performance against Abraham Montoya. Montoya was
a good opponent. You know, he

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is a guy that has a victory
a few years ago over the pre world

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title holder Louis Alberto Lopez. He's
got a clear win against him going back

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a few years ago. That's a
solid victory in Castro. You know,

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again, he had a little trouble
here and there, but basically he won.

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You know, one judge had at
ten to nothing, one eight to

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two, one, seven to three. He won basically eight or nine rounds

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of the fight. And it was
a good learning curve. And I'll tell

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you what I got to give the
props to match Room Boxing and their matchmakers

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and the people that put these fights
together. Every one of the favorites,

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every one of their guys won and
gals won their fights, but they were

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not in walkover fights. They were
in with competition that was competitive that pushed

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them. It didn't matter if it
was Hitchins at the top against Limos in

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a solid fight. In the main
event, Scott Nicholson was the one that

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was a mismatch, but he start
to argue with the opponent because she was

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a former champ whose only lost was
to Serrano. Castro was in solid with

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Montoy, who's got to win over
the ragning IDF champions, and Yfi was

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in with a guy that is absolutely
not a bum in any way, shape

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or form. And they all came
through. But it was good matchmaking.

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These are the kinds of victories and
the kinds of fights for every one of

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these people I just mentioned that is
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Diego Pacheco also well, I didn't
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turned out he was better than a
lot of people gave him credit for a

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little awkward like I said, but
push Pachecko. That's good matchmaking. It

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It was a pretty good show to
watch, frankly, and the main event,

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other than the holding, was a
heck of a fight, really good

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fight, especially Dona Stretch. One
other recap to get to and then we're

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gonna hear from Devin Hainey. I
just have to know I didn't know this

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answer. We didn't. We didn't
go over this. We didn't hurst this.

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Did you get to see this?
Where Bachram won the vacant IBF Junior

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Middleweight Championship over Jack coldk Saturday afternoon
US time to fight in Germany. We

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bemoaned you lovely words back at you. We bemoaned the fact, where's the

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live feed on? How do we
see this? Did you get to see

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this or did you have to just
wait recap form highlights and that kind of

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stuff of the Bachram win. Apparently
it was televised. I don't know if

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it was live or on tape the
leg, but it was shown on ESPN

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Knockout in Spanish language in Latin America. Wait, I'm not really fight with

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Bak the fights in Germany, and
of course you can see it through ESPN

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Knockout, So I didn't see that
as it happened, but it is available

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on YouTube. So I did watch
some of the fight all right, and

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it was a good close fight.
While it was going on, one judge

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did have it very very wide,
but the other two judges had a close,

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which again I'll admit I didn't watch
the entirety of all eleven rounds,

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but what I saw it looked like
a somewhat competitive fight. But in the

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end, the knockout that he had
in the eleventh round where he dropped him

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very, very hard, was quite
impressive. You know, kul Ka has

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always been a guy. He's now
got what five losses, He's been a

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guy I like to say, good
enough to lose, like, he's a

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solid, good professional, had a
good amateur career, but now as the

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loss in this title fight. The
Bakram after a long winning streak, but

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he had lost to Sergei devron Chenko, who we know as a world class

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fighter, wasn't a title pumpan he
lost to him. If you go back

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a few years before that, he
has a loss to the long time contender

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Celeski, and before that he lost
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So whenever he stepped up to that
top level, he's been defeated.

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And Bachram, who's been the mandatory
since like twenty nineteen and did a multitude

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of step asides with Jamel Charlotte waiting
for that mandatory fight and making a living

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fighting in you know, the lesser
fights on his undercards and other PBC cards

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while he stepped aside, got the
world title, and he did a very

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00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,799
solid job advice. You know,
that's a big win for the for the

406
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,920
Main Events promotion company, which were
at one time was one of the dominant

407
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,759
forces in world boxing. I mean, they promoted everybody, Cernel Whitaker and

408
00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:33,240
Evander Holyfield, all those eighty four
Olympians. They had Artiro Gotti and Fernando

409
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:34,079
Vargas. I mean, I go
on and on and on and on all

410
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,799
the champions that they had. But
they've fallen on hard times late, like

411
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:40,240
a lot of their guys have you
know, retired or lost. And they

412
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:42,759
had covid Lev he was like their
last top notch fighter and they're basically out

413
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:45,839
of business. But they still have
Bakram and they got a big win the

414
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,480
other night because if he can defend
this title, or even if he doesn't

415
00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:52,200
do well defending the title, it's
going to get a big payday. And

416
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:53,200
you know, good friend, it
was you know, it was good to

417
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:57,160
see. Uh. Not that I'm
rooting for promoters, but Main Events has

418
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,960
been a stalwart of this business for
a long time. So you know they're

419
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,559
not dead yet. As the way
I look at it, there you go,

420
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,720
all right and again. Sebastian Fondora
currently has the other two belts prominently

421
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,119
as unified champion at at one p
fifty four. Bachram now is a player

422
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,519
with one of the titles at Junior
Middleway. That leads us to this.

423
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaking of title holders, the former
undisputed lightweight champion of the world is Devin

424
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:29,200
Haney. Upcoming, he fights Ryan
Garcia April twentieth pay per view from Dezone

425
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,039
and PPV dot Com Barklay Center in
Brooklyn, New York. You don't have

426
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,640
to wait for that to find out
what's up with Devin Haney in this defense

427
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,440
and Ryan Garcia and the back and
forth on social media. You get it

428
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:44,000
right now with Dan Well, it's
my pleasure to be joined on our podcast

429
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:47,119
once again. Now. I used
to call you the lightweight champ. Now,

430
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,720
Devin Haney, I got to call
you the WBC Junior bout the way

431
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:52,279
champion. We're here to talk about
you are a very big fight you have

432
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,680
coming up April twentieth to Zone pay
per view at Barclay Center in Brooklyn,

433
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,200
New York, against Ryan Garcia.
Devin, thank you very much for doing

434
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,279
this. Have you been yes,
sir, thank you for thank you for

435
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,799
having me. I've I've been good. I'm excited for the fight, you

436
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:10,039
know, another fight at one forty
where I'm much more comfortable, much more

437
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:12,359
stronger, and I'll look forward to
it. All right. So before we

438
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,079
get into the conversation about that fight
that you have coming up, I want

439
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,880
to ask you. I was looking
at your at your box wreck in terms

440
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,200
of what you've done in your career
as a lightweight, and I think it

441
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:27,279
kind of gets like downgraded by some
people, and I can't really figure that

442
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,160
out. I look at I see
you're the You were the first undisputed lightweight

443
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,759
champion since the legendary Parnell Whitaker did
it in nineteen ninety. You're the first

444
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,839
ever four belt undisputed champion in the
lightweight division. Overall, you made seven

445
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,880
title defenses, including two of the
undisputed crown, and you beat you know,

446
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,640
good name guys like Gamboa, Lenaris, Jojo Diaz. You beat Cambosas

447
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:55,720
twice in Australia, then you beat
Lomachenko. What do you when you think?

448
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:56,519
When I you hear all that stuff. I just said, what do

449
00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:00,400
you think is your lightweight legacy?
No, I mean, I'm that all

450
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,799
makes you smile just hearing it,
because you know, I worked hard to

451
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,960
make the best fights happen. You
know, I've always said I wanted to

452
00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:14,039
the best fighters in the world,
and you know, if my resume chose

453
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,480
yeah, I mean it's I mean, I think if you if if they

454
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,480
had been willing to fight you,
you you probably you would have definitely fought

455
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,240
a Tank Davis, Tfim Lopez,
you know the other you know, good

456
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:27,640
names that are in that weight class. I can't imagine you wouldn't have seen

457
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,960
the type of guys that you were
going to step in with. Am I

458
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,880
wrong about that? No? One
hundred percent. Every guy that I called

459
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,880
out that that's that I stepped up. You know, the fight has been

460
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,599
made. But all that's here and
there now. You know, Ryan Garcia

461
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,759
has stepped up to the play and
that's the fight now. So after you

462
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:51,160
left behind the lightweight division and you
went up in December to move into the

463
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,319
junior wealthweight division and you fought for
the WBC title, Devin, you didn't

464
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,920
just beat Regis program you and take
the title. You dropped him, you

465
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,359
shut him out. It was one
hundred and twenty two hundred and seven on

466
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,119
all three scorecards. Now, I
know that you were very confident in winning

467
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,680
that fight, and program sounded confident
that he was going to win the fight

468
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,519
also, But there wasn't even really
any rounds that were close. Did you

469
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,599
even in your mind, in your
best imagination to think that you'd be I'm

470
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:17,799
not going to say it was easy, but did you would make it look

471
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,279
that easy? Vietnam? That was? That was you know, the game

472
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,960
plan to go in there, to
execute, to handicap them and make it

473
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,119
as easy as possible. So I
kN know if I stuck to the game

474
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,400
plan, and you know, I
trusted the game plan that it would work

475
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,599
out, and and it did.
But Devin twelveth to nothing, Come on,

476
00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:44,839
yeah, I mean that's that's what
I do. That's what I pitched

477
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,799
shutouts, and you know, I
go in there and I'm taking away the

478
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,880
guy's best thing that they that they
do. And once you once you,

479
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:56,759
once you do that, once you
handicap them, they they have no answers.

480
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,440
Ye, I mean, that's that's
a good point. That was.

481
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:02,160
I mean, you know, of
all your fights that you've had as dominating

482
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,480
as you were against cambosis and some
of the other fights you've had. Obviously

483
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,279
Loma made it much closer. But
I think it am I wrong to say

484
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:11,680
that, at least to me looking
at it, that's the best performance you've

485
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,240
ever had. Was because of the
caliber of the opponent, the moving up

486
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,279
and wait winning win. Another title
was that is that the best performance you've

487
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,880
had so far? Do you think? Yeah? I mean I think so.

488
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:25,599
I think up to day for sure
that was my best performance, especially

489
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,480
because you know, be for the
fight. They were saying that, you

490
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:32,440
know Reges was was was number one
guy in one forty. Now, you

491
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:36,960
know they they they act like he
was just any Joe blow. They said

492
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,079
it was just you know, he
was It was set up for me to

493
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,680
me, for me to go in
there and do that. But at a

494
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,000
point he was the number one guy
who a lot of guys were duck and

495
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:45,519
a lot of guys weren't didn't want
to fight. So I went in there.

496
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,559
I think I went up to one
forty, didn't you know, take

497
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:52,880
a tune up fight or anything like
that, chose the best guy and uh

498
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,839
pitched a shutout, went in there
and heard him, you know, beat

499
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,799
him and and now so yeah,
definitely that that was my best performance.

500
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,759
You're only twenty five years old,
and we just listed off all of the

501
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:07,559
various accomplishments that you have had in
the kinds of opponents you have beaten.

502
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,759
And at twenty five, for a
lot of fighters, they're not even in

503
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,000
their prime, or at least they're
just entering their prime. Do you feel

504
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,240
like you're in your prime yet?
Are you? Are you entering your prime?

505
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:19,119
I mean, and you've already know, You've got thirty one fights,

506
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,440
so it's not like you're a young
fighter in the game in terms of the

507
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:25,480
number of fights. But where do
you where do you view yourself in terms

508
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:29,640
of the arc of your career?
Yeah, I mean I'm still too you

509
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,440
know, young, I still got
a lot of growing, a lot of

510
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,920
mature to do in a ring.
I'm getting better and better each fight,

511
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:41,559
getting stronger, getting more mature outside
the ring and in the ring. So

512
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:44,599
I don't think I'm in my prime
yet, but you know, I'm definitely,

513
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,599
you know, I'm you know,
on upwards, like you know,

514
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,440
I'm on the upwards for sure.
Yeah, I would agree with that.

515
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,480
Before you guys were able to make
this match between yourself and and Garcia.

516
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:57,680
You know, he was gonna maybe
fight Roly Romero. They had a deal

517
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,119
and then really kind of left them
at the alter, so to speak,

518
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,640
and he went and took the fight
against Pitt Bull Cruise. When that was

519
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,160
sort of unfolding, what was sort
of like your backup plan if you weren't

520
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,279
going to get Ryan Garcia. I
know you're fighting him now, but what

521
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,880
was in your mind as far as
what you may have done if you weren't

522
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,960
able to land that big fight.
Yeah, I mean I was looking at

523
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:22,240
a guy like Mario Barrios at one
was prematured talks. But we were looking

524
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,400
at a guy like that, We
were looked at that, We were looking

525
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:32,119
at a few different guys. So
it's very very, very very premature talks.

526
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:36,519
Understand Uh. It seems to me
like you have sort of you and

527
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,960
your father, you know, Bill
Haney, your manager, your trainer.

528
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,319
Did you guys have kind of taken
a page out of the Canelo playbook and

529
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,599
if you go back even further,
the Sugar Ray Leonard playbook. Where you

530
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,359
work with different promoters, you've done
short term deals. Obviously you were with

531
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,240
Match room for a period of time. But then you went over and you

532
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:55,640
had you know, three fights under
the deal with Top Rank and Debella.

533
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,480
That was so you could get the
Cambosas fight, and you fought Lomachenko.

534
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,440
Then you went back to Ed who
you're with, I believe on a fight

535
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:04,920
by fight basis, even though you
know you continue to work with them.

536
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,839
Uh. How empowering is that for
you as a fighter, to know that

537
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,599
you and your father can really do
what you want to do in terms of

538
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,200
the types of opponents and where you
can have fights. I mean, that

539
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:19,440
was all part of the plan.
It was. It was for me to

540
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,119
you know, not be able to
you know, be handicapped and not be

541
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,839
able to not make the biggest fights
happen, you know, not not not

542
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:29,319
get the big money fights, not
have those excuses, be able to control

543
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,440
our own destiny. And that's what
we sells to uh since day one,

544
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,440
and that's that's what we're doing.
It is easier said than done, though,

545
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,759
isn't it. Oh? Yeah,
I mean for sure, you know,

546
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,759
you know, especially in the beginning
when I wasn't making making any money,

547
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,039
but you know, trusting the process
and you know, seeing the bigger

548
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:49,039
picture and knowing that, you know, not to sign a long term deal

549
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:52,559
then because I because I didn't have
money, but to you know, not

550
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:57,039
not sign a long term deal when
I didn't have money, to just you

551
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,160
know, stay disciplined and just you
know, just trust the process. So

552
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:04,039
now you've got to fight with with
Ryan Garcia coming up. And then I

553
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,039
follow you on social media and I've
watched some of the things I saw some

554
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,319
of your media day. You know, you're it seems to me like the

555
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,400
Devin Haney that I've been covering for
a long time is having a normal training

556
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,839
camp, preparing hard, getting ready
for the fight. And your opponent,

557
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:22,720
Ryan Garcia, uh is off making
like crazy amounts of social media videos and

558
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:27,839
posts every single day, wild posts
about all things that are not boxing related,

559
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,279
and to a lot of people,
seems like he's just having like a

560
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:36,200
meltdown. Uh what do you make
of his behavior as the guy that's gonna

561
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,720
go in the ring and fight against
him? Yeah, I mean, he

562
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:46,240
he is, his page's his is
his platform. You know, my main

563
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:52,720
focus is to continue to remain focus
and you know, keep training and prepared

564
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,720
to dominate him no matter you know, if he's if he's all the way

565
00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,440
there and I can't. I can't
get to an emotion attached to that.

566
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:06,319
I got to just focus on being
the best meet Devin. There was one

567
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,519
post that he put on his social
media where he literally said, quote,

568
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:12,880
his mission is to kill you in
the ring. That that that offended me

569
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,079
to be fight ho us. I've
been doing this a long time. I've

570
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:20,280
been at fights where I've been at
fights whereout that Yeah, yeah, I

571
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,639
did. I mean, I've been
at I've been at boxing matches where it

572
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,760
unfortunately, men have died because of
this sport. Uh. You know,

573
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,760
I like to see a good fight, I think like anybody, but I

574
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,280
certainly don't want to see anybody die
in the ring or get seriously injured.

575
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,079
It's it's not fun to cover,
it's not fun to watch. It's bad

576
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,360
for everybody involved, the person that's
injured, the opponent, the whole industry,

577
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,199
the fans, everything. When you
see that your opponent says that without

578
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,719
any like smiley face or saying he's
joking or anything like that, how does

579
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,360
that make you feel? When he
says he literally his mission is to kill

580
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,039
you. Yeah, well we know
that that. Ryan Garsi is a tike,

581
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:59,639
toker, YouTuber, actor, whatever
you want to call himself. I

582
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,920
don't knowing that he says series at
the end of the day, this this,

583
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:07,199
this is a brutal sport. And
every time, every time we go

584
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,719
in there and we risk our lives
and we know that. So you know,

585
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,360
whatever, what what, whatever he's
playing is set out to do,

586
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:17,480
it won't work. He won't have
no answers for me on any So let

587
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:22,800
him say what he want to say. I'll uh, I'll just you know,

588
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,440
take it out on him, uh, patunita and make and make a

589
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,360
lot of people happy. Do you
feel like that he is doing all this

590
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,960
crazy behavior, whether it's the videos
and the post and just sort of the

591
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,199
kind of off the rails behavior to
somehow sell a fight, or do you

592
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:45,039
think he truly is sort of like
unstable and need some help. I don't

593
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,719
know, I said, I,
you know, emostly involved in that.

594
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,800
I don't know. I don't know. My main focus is just focused on

595
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,800
me, you know, similar to
when I was starting a guy like like

596
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,239
Mama Loma didn't he wasn't saying anything, he wasn't talking. We weren't here

597
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,960
from for hearing from him. But
I had to chose focus on being the

598
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:04,920
best meed that I could be so
similar to this, you know, he's

599
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,679
doing a lot of talking the same
thing, just tunnel vision to keep up

600
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:13,400
blind his own stay focused. You've
always struck me Devin as the kind of

601
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,480
guy that tries to not get too
high, not get too low, and

602
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:20,400
really just sort of maintain like an
even keel and leaning into your fights in

603
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,280
the boxing match itself, is that
am I am? I right on the

604
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,719
on the sort of your mentality about
going into things and dealing with the fight.

605
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,440
There's always a lot of drama with
Ryan though, whether it's you know,

606
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:36,719
be like for example, the Tank
Davis fight. Before and and during

607
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,800
and after and after the fight,
a lot of people said that they thought,

608
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,079
because of the way that the fight
ended that he when he went down

609
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,840
on the knee got knocked down,
that he quit, that he could have

610
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,039
got up, that he didn't seem
hurt, that he was looking at the

611
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:52,039
referee and he just decided to not
fight on. Do you think that he

612
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:57,360
quit in that fight? Absolutely,
to watch the fight. As soon as

613
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,239
the guy, as soon as the
rep was done counting, he got right

614
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,280
up. I just seen I just
think that he was you know, I

615
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,719
felt like he was over a match. I don't know if he maybe he

616
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,840
did, maybe he did have some
you know, distractions going into the fight

617
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,119
before, I mean going into the
fight. So once he you know,

618
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,119
he felt like he had no answers. He just was like, all right,

619
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,599
I'm done. You think you can
make him do the same thing?

620
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:23,920
And I asked you that because it
seems to me that once a boxer decides

621
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,760
to quit in a fight, it
becomes easier to do it the next time.

622
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,960
If it comes to that. Yeah, I mean once you once you

623
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,760
quit, you know how to quit. You you've seen it that that that

624
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:38,280
is an answer, that that is
a solution. So, like I said,

625
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,800
I don't think that April twenty for
being any different. I think I

626
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,519
see him quitting. I see you
know him him quitting or you know,

627
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:51,280
his coach carling the fight off when
it when it gets hot. Now.

628
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,400
I saw some stuff recently that the
New York State Athletic Commission wanted to give

629
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,480
him a mental health evaluation because of
all the stuff that was going on.

630
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,440
As we've been talking about, are
you are you confident? I know you're

631
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,440
training, You're gonna be ready for
the fight. Are you confident he's actually

632
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,840
gonna make it to the ring that
night? And if he doesn't, is

633
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,000
there a backup plan? For example, I know, like the excellent contender,

634
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,559
undefeated Arnold Barbosa is on the card. Or are you was all the

635
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,559
eggs in one basket with Ryan making
it to the ring? Yeah? No,

636
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,280
I mean, I don't have any
question that Ryan is going to show

637
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:30,960
up Ryan. Ryan is going to
show up on to the fight right now,

638
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:37,000
Ryan, whatever go playing for But
I don't see, I don't see,

639
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,639
right, Okay. When they made
the match, I think a lot

640
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:46,440
of people Devin were surprised that it
wound up taking place, uh and being

641
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:50,119
placed at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn, which is a very excellent arena.

642
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:52,800
They've had a lot of boxing events
there, but most people thought this was

643
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,719
going to be in Vegas. What
are your thoughts about coming east for for

644
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,559
a world title fight? Your last
fight was all the way on the other

645
00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:00,119
side, back in you know where
you were were you born in in the

646
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:07,800
Bay Area. Yeah, I'm excited
for it. That's great. I will

647
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,079
always come back to New York and
I think I think it's gonna be be

648
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:14,480
a bit, it's that type of
fight. It was. It would be

649
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,079
a big event no matter where we
fought. So I'm not mad at I'm

650
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:21,719
not mad at at New York one
bit. I'm glad to hear that it's

651
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,599
a It's like I said, it's
a great arena. You know. One

652
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,480
of the big talking points in the
fight, besides all the craziness that's been

653
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,760
going on with Ryan leading up to
the fight, is the fact that you

654
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,159
guys are very familiar with each other. You know each other a long time.

655
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,400
You had the six bouts in the
amateur ranks where you had split the

656
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,000
fights three and three. Do you
think that that has any bearing on what's

657
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,679
going to take place April twenty third. Is it just good for you know,

658
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:46,320
fans and writers to talk about.
Yeah, I mean I don't think.

659
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:50,280
I don't think it matters. I
think, you know, we're familiar

660
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,639
with each other, but the pros
is is definitely different, and I'm a

661
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,679
much better fighter than I was at
amateurs. I don't forget Ryan has gotten

662
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,639
much better, but that's for me
show. You know, this is when

663
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:05,400
he counts for Autumn Marbles for every
game, just the one that that really

664
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,920
means something. Yeah, no doubt. I mean I think they're saying this

665
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,679
one counts. I saw in some
of the taglines on the artwork and stuff.

666
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:14,199
Uh, you know, besides,
besides the matchup you have with with

667
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,880
Garcia, in the fact you already
defeated program, you're in a really you

668
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,440
know, good weight class that's got
a lot of talented fighters in a T

669
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:22,480
team. A lopezz is a champion
of the w BO, the lineal champion.

670
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,800
He got Sabrell Mattias, who's the
IBF champion. You know, Tank

671
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,920
Davis has fought in this weight class
before. Perhaps he'll move up. You

672
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,800
know Roly Romero and Pitbull Cruiser in
the weight class. What sorts of big

673
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,440
fights do you have in your mind? If everything goes the way you expected

674
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:38,880
to go against Ryan Garcia and you
come out with yet another victory and still

675
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,760
undefeated and still champion, all those
guys, all those guys are my head.

676
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,280
Honestly, my main focuses is Ryan, but all those guys are Ken

677
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:54,119
King King. You know, Bospoile
fights right after this one. Now he

678
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:58,280
stuck around at lightweight for a long
time and then you obviously came up.

679
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,199
Now you're in the junior welterweight division. You feel like you're gonna stick around

680
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:04,039
in this weight class for the number
of years or you also have your eyes

681
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,519
you know, in the nearer future
on the welterweight division. Yeah, no,

682
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:12,760
I want to. I want to. I want to buy that both.

683
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,679
You know. I want to make
the biggest fights happen the best fighters

684
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,199
in the world. So wherever,
wherever that that takes me, it takes

685
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,360
me. But I'm interested in the
one division right now, you know excites

686
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,960
me. Ski's fights to be made
and we'll see, Well, we're going

687
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,079
to see and I'll tell you one
thing. I'm looking forward to seeing you

688
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:34,880
and Ryan Garcia in the ring call
on April twentieth, his own pay per

689
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,440
view. I think it's gonna be
a very interesting fight. I appreciate your

690
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,559
time very much, Devin, as
always, you're a gentlemen. Thank you

691
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:45,559
so much for doing this, Yes, sir, thank you. All right,

692
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,360
WBC Junior welterweight title is on the
line there with Devin Haney. I

693
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,800
always like to ask it this way. You know, we're still a couple

694
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,880
of weeks away from the fight.
You got to see him and interact with

695
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,079
him a little bit on the video
hookup, et cetera. So your thoughts

696
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,519
seeing Devin in advance of all the
all the promo and the publicity that they're

697
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:06,239
going to do here over the next
couple of weeks. In this particular interview,

698
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,239
I actually didn't see him. We
run at the phone host, so

699
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,079
I didn't. Usually I'm on the
zoom with these guys in this particular case

700
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:13,239
because of where he was in his
schedule and everything we did the phoner.

701
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,320
But it was good. I mean, Devon is always engaged in energetic interviews.

702
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,599
You know, I have a report
with him. I've known him for

703
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:22,400
many many years. I've interviewed him
many many times. He was in a

704
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,119
good mood. I've been working his
ass often as they people heard like there's

705
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:29,559
all the craziness that's been going on
about Ryan Garcia, But yep, Devin

706
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,079
Hainey. I like the attitude.
He's like, whatever, you know my

707
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:35,239
problem, I'm I'm I'm preparing for
my fight. I'm gonna go and be

708
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,840
the best Devin Haney I can be. And whatever he's doing, so be

709
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,360
it. And you and I always
go over this and I don't wish ill

710
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,440
on it. But right now,
on the Rayfield meter is the antenna up?

711
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:46,199
Because we're kind of now in the
zone with two weeks to go for

712
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,719
this fight, that something could be
up with Ryan Garcia. What about the

713
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,000
Rayfield Antanna just coming off the interview
before we get to the news and nostalgia,

714
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,719
we what do we think we all
right for right now? There's always

715
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,719
there's always a chance something whacky happens. But it seems to me, at

716
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,760
least right now that we're talking about
business as usual. They have his coming

717
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,519
up early in the week, and
you know this is gonna come out Sunday

718
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:08,960
night into Monday. I believe he
has Ryan has his media day in Dallas

719
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:15,360
day, so that's still on the
schedule. And unless something happens that we're

720
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,519
unaware of, which with Ryan you
never know, it seems like business.

721
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:22,320
I sure hope that that might happens
because I just finished my gig that I

722
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,039
do because I was helping my good
pal Jay Seidman right right, and produce

723
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,639
the program for this event that I
was been working on and going over page

724
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:34,440
proofs and everyday. Let's be honest
on paper, this is a very compelling

725
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:37,360
fight. You just heard from Devin
Haney. It's gonna have a lot of

726
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,480
marketability because of Garcia's popularity. There's
millions of dollars on each side here in

727
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:45,320
this. Can we get in the
ring place? Can we get in I'm

728
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,079
not saying you're saying there's some pleasure, but can we get in the ring

729
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:51,519
place? Let's hope so with Hainey
Garcia, that will be coming up,

730
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:58,599
all right. News items Natasha Jonas
Mikayla Mayer. They're talking about a rematch

731
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,719
from their Fire eight back on January
twenty, to be a little more IBF

732
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,559
Women's World Welterweight title fight. What
do we know, Well, we know

733
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:09,719
that their first fight in January was
a hell of a fight, very close

734
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:15,039
fight, tremendous action, took place
in Jonas's hometown of Liverpool, England.

735
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,719
And they're talking about a rematch.
I mean, it's the biggest fight out

736
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,519
there for both of these women,
and I think the fight will get done.

737
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,280
Will get done. To me,
the only question is and from what

738
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,880
my sources tell me, it's just
a matter of when it could be in

739
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,000
June potentially at an early side,
it could go into September, depending because

740
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:34,440
boxer asked some other events. They're
shuffling around, whether it's the Chris billam

741
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,440
Smith defense. They've got the adamasim
A fight that he's going to be doing

742
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:42,320
coming up. They've got some other
things that they're working on, so it's

743
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,039
just sort of where can they fit
this in. They're going to, you

744
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:50,079
know, perhaps a fabuo worldly rematch
in that fight, So they're just they're

745
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,719
trying to lay out their schedule and
it depends how things fall, what fights

746
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,880
wind up on their pay per view, what fights wind up on regular Sky.

747
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,639
So I think right now the idea
is let's get the deal done and

748
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,559
we'll figure out the date later.
But it looks like that fight's gonna happen,

749
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,800
and I'm sure that if it does
happen that both these women will come

750
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,840
in great shape and put on another
hell of a show that I did the

751
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,920
first time. Mikaela Mayer is always
in entertaining fights for sure, Natasha Jonas,

752
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:15,800
so we'll see when that one comes
about. News about the WBO s

753
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:22,119
trolweight champ Oscar Colazo of Puerto Rico
Golden Boy's gonna have him back in the

754
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:28,039
ring fairly soon. Here. He's
again we've made mention of this. He

755
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,599
was the fastest world champion in Puerto
Rican boxing history. Was it six six

756
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,360
or seven title fight? A six
or seventh fight that he won the title

757
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,599
in. He's going to be back
here coming up. Klaso. I mean,

758
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:42,280
Klaso is a very exciting fighter.
I mean, I know strawweights are

759
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,079
not exactly the most popular weight class
in the world. They're small guys,

760
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:49,159
the smallest weight class in the sport. But if you've watched Oscar Colaso,

761
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,719
he's got some swagger to him.
He can punch, he's got a great

762
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,760
amateur background. He's a very exciting
young fighter, and so they are bringing

763
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,760
him back. He wants to stay
busy. He's going to be headlining the

764
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,760
June seventh cart at the Turningstone Resort
Casino in Verona, New York. And

765
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,440
why that's important is because that coincides
with the fact that they always are tried

766
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,599
to do anyway a big time boxing
show on the weekend of the Hall of

767
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:14,719
Fame induction ceremonies. The Boxing Hall
of Fame is a few miles away in

768
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,280
Canastota, but they have a lot
of the events that take place at the

769
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,280
Turning Stone. So he's going to
be headlining on that card, you know,

770
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,360
on that very you know, significant
weekend. Obviously it's the Hall of

771
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,360
Fame, so there's gonna be a
lot of boxing royalty if you will,

772
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,840
he'll defend he's now nine to o. He'll be defending it against a fighter

773
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:36,400
named Heraldo Zapata who is fourteen and
one and one from Nicaragua. And you

774
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,760
know, again as the biggest fight
in the world. No, but it's

775
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,960
still an exciting young champion and he's
on a very big time date of the

776
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,880
Hall of Fame weekend. And then
again, it was his seventh fight,

777
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,760
the fastest ever in seventh pro fights
to win a world title in all the

778
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,920
great Puerto Rican lineage of champions.
And this would be a fourth fight if

779
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,960
it comes off this summer in roughly
a year. What do we say,

780
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:01,039
ray Phael and a recap podcast.
Let's hear it activity, We like it

781
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:04,920
lead for activity, all right?
So next on a rundown, does this

782
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:08,159
include nostalgia because it's news, but
it's also nostalgia. This is news,

783
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:14,119
this is news, but it's involving
Muhammad Ali. It's involving the greatest,

784
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:19,440
the latest, the late greatest,
and the and the WWE recognized him as

785
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:24,280
part of their WrestleMania, their fortieth
WrestleMania that Ali was involved in the first

786
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,239
WrestleMania. You were there for that, but they recognized him and they put

787
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,079
him in the WWE Hall of Fame
this weekend during their UH ceremony prior to

788
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,440
the two night pay per view that's
been going on in Philadelphia, and you

789
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:44,320
were there for the first WrestleMania with
the Hawkster Tampa's hull Coga not finished,

790
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:52,280
and Mister T and Roddy Piper and
Paul Lorendorf and who else, Cowboy Bob

791
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,440
Orton and Superfly Snook and a young
Rayphael was there for all this, and

792
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:59,280
Ali was there as like the guest
referee, and so they put him into

793
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,719
the Wrestling Hall of Fame. So
I go to Madison Square guarded these days,

794
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,840
and fortunately because of my job as
a journalist covering boxing, I am

795
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,000
very fortunate to sit ringside. But
in nineteen eighty four or eighty five,

796
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:14,840
I gets eighty four, I guess
it was for WrestleMania. One little fourteen

797
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,119
year old Rayfiel or thirteen year old
Rafield whatever at the time, was up

798
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:22,320
in the high rafters way off top. I had gone to WrestleMania one with

799
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,800
my father and a friend of a
friend of mine and Muhammad Ali, like

800
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,559
you said, was the special guest
referee for that very famous main event involving

801
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:35,039
Mister t Paul Cogan Orndorf and Cowboy
Bob Orton. And he made other appearances

802
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:37,760
over the years, at least a
couple more, I guess for a WWE,

803
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:40,039
but that was the one that was
a big deal. I mean,

804
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,559
you know what the criteria are to
make the w W Hall of Fame.

805
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:50,679
As a non wrestler in the company. How do you get Ali to be

806
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,320
involved in not having the Hall of
Fame? I guess, but it was

807
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,159
pretty cool that, you know.
The people that inducted him were his widow,

808
00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:00,480
Lonnie Ali, lovely woman, a
wonderful woman, and the Undertaker.

809
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:05,280
I mean, that's quite a combination, right The iconic Undertaker was it Mark

810
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,320
Callaway who has been the Undertaker for
the better part of years. He's a

811
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,880
huge fan, die hard boxing fan. I have seen him. I've seen

812
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,320
him had some big time fights over
the years, a very very legit,

813
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,480
huge fight fans. So him and
and Muhammad's widow did he the w W

814
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:24,880
Hall keep up with this, maybe
a little more. Id did he ever

815
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:31,079
lose at WrestleMania. He was undefeated
for Everett WrestleMania and that was but event

816
00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:35,880
he won like the first twenty times
at WrestleMania. Thing was the streak.

817
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,400
It was the streak for the Undertaker. Still it got to be in the

818
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:45,559
top three, if not the top
two for ring walks where they would triple

819
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:51,280
h Hunter Hurst Helmsley. Yeah,
but in any event, the Undertaker ring

820
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,119
walk when they would dim the lights
and do the gong and then the ball

821
00:49:54,199 --> 00:50:00,159
bears walking out with the with the
looking it up while it turns out he

822
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:05,280
won twenty one consecut matches at WrestleMania, So that was like a big deal.

823
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,559
And by the way, we should
let some people in on this.

824
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:14,559
That was script. It was planned. It was script that he won the

825
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:16,320
twenty one in a row. I
mean, it's not the same thing as

826
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:21,719
like Devin Haney winning twenty one world
title fights in a row. That's not

827
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,960
Vince McMahon on a pad and a
pen saying yeah, you're gonna win again

828
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:30,039
here at WrestleMania. All right,
So good good on that for Ali Ali

829
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:36,519
being part of that. Do you
remember I've seen what the ticket prices were

830
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,039
where they're fighting at Lincoln Financial Wrestling
at Lincoln Financial Feel for the WrestleMania,

831
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,719
and it's ridiculous because the face value
on the tickets is like two hundred and

832
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,000
fifty. For the ones down on
the field around the stage, sitting in

833
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:52,840
the raptors, you had to have
paid twenty bucks maybe probably something. Well,

834
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:55,280
this is a ray Field collection,
Go find a wrestler, and we

835
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,559
were way up at the top.
Anyway, I'm just saying it was probably

836
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,239
twenty bucks to get in the garden. I think my dad was sold out.

837
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,679
I think my dad's oh, I
know it was sold out. So

838
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,960
but I'm saying we didn't buy them
at phase value. I think my dad,

839
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:07,639
oh, he bought him on the
secondary market. I mean, we

840
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:10,679
don't pay like crazy money for them, but more than whatever the face was

841
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,840
on him. Interesting, all right, other nostalgia twenty three years ago today,

842
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,119
You don't we talked so much about
Sugar Ray Leonard and I did hear

843
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,159
from a couple of people giving blowback
about Leonard Hagler. The anniversary being Saturday

844
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,960
at April sixth, were not a
Sunday to seventh, but you and I

845
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,679
again covered this went over this.
We believe Sugar Ray Leonard won that fight

846
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:35,679
all time iconic. So twenty three
years ago on Sunday, Marco Antonio Barrera

847
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:40,719
and Prince Nasim Hmed, And you
were there April seventh, two thousand and

848
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:50,280
one, as Barrera took it to
Hahmed, the constant promoting loudmouth who could

849
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,599
back it up with a bunchet.
He couldn't back it up that night against

850
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:54,280
Barrera though, And you were there, Oh yeah, listen, that was

851
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:59,840
That was a really big fight,
very memorable. He had the uh the

852
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,079
one thing that always Hays stood out. I think we may have even talked

853
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:04,800
about this at one point. The
thing that stood out is after a delay

854
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,719
of getting him in the ring,
there was some kind of issue with his

855
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,239
glove in the back before they made
their ringwalks. You know, the Prince

856
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,679
was known for these crazy ringwalks and
then when he would get to the ring,

857
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,039
you would do the front flip over
the ropes into the ring. That

858
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:19,159
was like his stick when he got
to the ropes on this night against Marco

859
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:22,440
Antonio Brera, by far and away, you know, the biggest pressure ized

860
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,199
fight for him. I think in
terms of like a big deal and so

861
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,400
much talk about this matchup. He
didn't do the flip over the ring ropes,

862
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,039
and a lot of people kind of
remember at ringside thinking, well,

863
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:34,159
you know what's going on here,
like maybe there's something's in his head and

864
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,519
it's not his night. I mean, I mean it's injury. I would

865
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:39,360
have thought, is there an injury
as to why he didn't do something just

866
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,519
the way he didn't go in the
ring like he normally would, like you

867
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:45,119
change up like that the last minute
his biggest moment. You kind of think,

868
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,599
I wasn't thinking about an injury.
I was thinking about more mentally.

869
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:55,119
And look, Marco Antonio Brera was
the consonant brawler face first, typical cliche

870
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,079
Mexican fighter, just go in there
and try to beat the shit out of

871
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:04,599
his opponent, and in this time
he turned boxer puncher, still was aggressive,

872
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:09,119
still like to brawl when necessary,
but really just outboxed him and took

873
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:12,480
him apart. And like the famous
line in the in the broadcast, I

874
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,199
always remember Larry Merchant somewhere late in
that fight, when Brer's kicking his ass

875
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,079
and they're talking, Larry Merchant utters
the fantastic line on paraphrase. I don't

876
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:23,960
know if I have the exact wording
talking about Prince Nasimhmed, his moment of

877
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:28,480
truth has turned into his hour of
torture, because that's basically what Brera did.

878
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,480
He changed his head into the turnbuckle
late in that fight, which was

879
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:36,559
in the twelfth round, and got
a point deducted for intentionally slamming his head

880
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:38,360
and burd and give a shit because
he was so clearly going to win on

881
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,960
the cards, and he won the
fight. He became the lineal featherweight champion.

882
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,599
I mean, Ahmed had collected all
the belts at one time or another

883
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:47,760
but ended up being stripped there vacating. But this was for all the marbles

884
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,960
at featherweight and it was a huge, resounding victory. And I will say

885
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,639
this, both of them are in
the Hall of Fame, and rightfully Sohamed,

886
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,079
even though he lost his fight with
still a great fighter. It was

887
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,400
disappointing the only one more time after
this, But Barrera had a ton of

888
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,559
great wins. McKinney obviously two out
of the three against Eric Morales. You

889
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:08,440
know, plenty of big time wins
in this man's career. But I think

890
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,239
the Hahmed fight is the defining one, even bigger than his victories over Eric

891
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,840
Morales. And am I correct?
I don't have it in front of me.

892
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:20,360
Ahmed retired one fight later. We
just said that he thought one more

893
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,800
time, my bad, So he
fought once more and that was it.

894
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,599
Exactly a year later, fourteen months
later, fought one fight in the UK

895
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,840
and you ever fought again and Barrera
put it on him that night that was

896
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,840
now twenty. I still remember that
because again we talked about this numerous times.

897
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,000
He was electrifying with the punches that
could back up the mouth. But

898
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:45,519
Barrera beat him that night, all
right. Also on Sunday, April seventh,

899
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:51,119
twenty eighteen, six years ago,
Jarrett Heard won a dramatic split decision

900
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:55,320
over Eras Landy Laura to win two
of the Junior Middleway titles, with a

901
00:54:55,519 --> 00:55:01,599
twelfth round knockdown turning out to be
huge. And you were there wingside for

902
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,639
this, and and what happens to
give me more on the nostalgia, Well,

903
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,239
this was that this was at the
hard Rock in Las Vegas, which

904
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,000
is not called that anymore. This
was a showtime maing event. It was

905
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:15,599
a unification fight. Arislania Lara came
in with the WBA title, and it

906
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,800
was it was Jared Hurd that had
the IBF title. I've told the story

907
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,480
about on the night that he won
the IBF title in in Alabama on a

908
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:28,079
Deontay Wilder cart of just coincidentally being
in the same car with him going to

909
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:30,280
the airport the next day, and
he was wearing the belt in the car.

910
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,559
I always never forget that. So
he's defending the title and also trying

911
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:37,639
to unify, and they put on
a spectacular fight. Now, Laura is

912
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:39,239
not known for being in great fights
because he had a couple in his career.

913
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,320
This was I think because he was
a little bit older and he couldn't

914
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,119
kind of you know, the legs
weren't as great as they once were,

915
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:49,159
and him and Jared Hurd just teed
up and duked it out for twelve freaking

916
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:52,400
brutal rounds, and in the twelfth
round it was Jared heard that scored by

917
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,599
the way he went against his He
told the story about how his corner was

918
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:57,679
telling him to just you know,
box him and play you know. I

919
00:55:57,679 --> 00:55:59,760
don't know if they said they were
playing safe, but you know, you're

920
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,199
good you won the fight, and
he was not going to leave it the

921
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,840
chance. He's like, absolutely not, and he went out there and he

922
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,280
took it too. Lardie put him
on the floor and that knockdown gave him

923
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,320
the victory and what was a split
decision. So he defied his corner's instructions,

924
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:15,480
did what he felt he had to
do, got the knockdown, won

925
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:16,920
a split decision. It was such
a great fight, it turned out to

926
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,559
most people. I know. I
picked it in the I think the I

927
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:22,199
can't remember if it was the Ring
Magazine or BWA. There was a split

928
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:28,840
there, but it was picked by
very very a lot of different outlets as

929
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,239
the twenty eighteen fight of the year. What's memorable besides that was on the

930
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:38,079
undercart there was a rematch between Caleb
Truax and James de Gale in an IBF

931
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:43,880
title fight, and I was in
that arena. You're much closer the way

932
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,920
they set up the media seats and
even the fans, You're much closer to

933
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,800
the ring than usual. We were
right on the ring basically, and when

934
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,840
the blood started flying from the cut
on the Gale, I went all over

935
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,239
my arms, all over my laptop. It was all over us. In

936
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,960
the ring side, one of the
guys I was sitting with was taking pictures

937
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,320
and has the picture of like my
bloody arm with James de Gail's blood all

938
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:07,559
over me. Anyway, but the
main event really stole the show that night.

939
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:10,000
Fantastic fight, and unfortunately, as
I was knowing we were going to

940
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:13,679
talk about this, I just went
back and I just had looked prior to

941
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,719
the to the show to sort of
just look and see where Jared Heard had

942
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,840
gone since then. And you know
what, it's fair to say, I

943
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,719
think that he has never been the
same since. That's right, because he

944
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:27,920
suffered an injury shoulder I believe it
was, and he had some time off.

945
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,039
He came back against like a very
lower level opponent and he knocked him

946
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:34,559
out. But then he had the
loss in the upset to Julian Williams,

947
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,559
which was a hometown fight for yes, Jared Hart, because he lives very

948
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:42,719
close to where I live, and
so that fight took place in Fairfax,

949
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,119
Virginia, very close to where he
is. It's like the closest possible venue

950
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:49,440
to my has like eight miles from
my house. And he lost the hometown

951
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:52,880
fight to Williams. That was a
great fight, bar type fight and Jay

952
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,039
Rock out fought him. Yeah,
but then he lost. He got to

953
00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:00,960
win over the very lesser opponent in
Francisco Santana, and then he lost.

954
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,719
He lost to Arios, he lost
to Razendez. You know, he came

955
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,360
back in December and you know,
scored a win over a journey. But

956
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,840
the point is, ever since he
became the number one fifty four pounder in

957
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,960
the world with the spectacular victory in
the fight of the year, that took

958
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,920
a lot out of it, and
he'd been a lot of tough fights before

959
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,440
that. He's now he's never been
the same since that fight back in twenty

960
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:22,760
eighteen. But on that one night, he's the best fifty four pounder in

961
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,119
the world. He beat a very
quality opponent in Arisloni Laara, and he

962
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:28,920
was on top of the world as
the unified champ and it was a very

963
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,639
memorable experience to be at that fight. Good stuff on that and also a

964
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:39,079
birthday, a birthday for James Buster. Douglas Buster sixty four years young on

965
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:45,719
Sunday still holds the distinction of what's
not just heavyweight. I think the greatest

966
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:51,519
upset in boxing history with that win
Tyson I will go on, not just

967
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:55,639
heavyweights. I don't think anybody considered
its boxing history period. So happy birthday,

968
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,000
Buster Douglas, because we're still talking
about that Tyson win thirty four years

969
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:06,679
later. Wow, they'll talk about
the Tyson win until the world doesn't exist

970
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:09,639
anymore. It's that memorable. I
mean, you know, I often wonder

971
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:13,119
to myself, would you rather have
been a guy that had the title for

972
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:15,639
a while but didn't really have a
big name, a big fan base,

973
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:17,159
you know, and you just sort
of went through and you know, you

974
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,719
had a nice career, or have
that one glorious moment where you're the biggest

975
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,639
thing in the world. We've talked
about this before. Buster Douglas overnight was

976
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:30,159
the single biggest name in the world, not just in sports. This was

977
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:35,440
a worldwide front page global story,
not for one day, not for two

978
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,280
days, four weeks. He made
a million appearances, He was on magazine

979
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:44,679
covers. Was it was unavoidable to
see or hear about James Buster Douglas.

980
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,840
Obviously he let it go to his
head to a certain degree because he didn't

981
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:51,199
really get himself prepared. Because eight
months later, in his first defense and

982
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:53,800
a mandatory against Evander Holyfield. He
did not come in shape, either physically

983
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,800
or mentally, and he got clipped
and knocked out with an upper cut in

984
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,920
the third round. But for those
eight months, there was not a bigger

985
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,679
name in sports than James Buster Douglas. And you know, he he fulfilled

986
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:07,440
a lot of promise that he had
never shown before. And it was a

987
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,119
great victory. And you know what, I've seen Buster at some boxing events

988
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:13,880
in recent years. You know,
they brought him out. For example,

989
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:16,480
he was part of a group of
heavyweights that the promotion brought in to Los

990
01:00:16,519 --> 01:00:21,719
Angeles when Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury
had their first fight. They brought in

991
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,760
some past great champions. This was
also around the time that ESPN was doing

992
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,679
their thirty for thirty doc about his
upset of Tyson. I got a chance

993
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:31,280
to like talk tough for a few
minutes, and and I had never met

994
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:37,320
him before until that time, and
cool guy laid back. Understand the thing

995
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,159
that I'm glad about Buster is this, you know, it may not have

996
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:43,239
been easy to get there, but
he understands his place in history. He

997
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,360
had the greatest night you could have
as a professional athlete, and it didn't

998
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,000
last long. But he's not like
tired of you know, I don't know

999
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:52,440
if like I don't know if a
day goes by where it doesn't come up,

1000
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,320
But he's he's used to it.
He's okay with it. He doesn't

1001
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,679
take it like this is what defines
him as a human being, but it's

1002
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:02,159
what will know him for. And
he seems comfortable with that. And two

1003
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:07,239
more quick things. He had health
problems diabetes and had ballooned to like almost

1004
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:12,119
four hundred pounds. There were serious
concerns about his health. So he's gotten

1005
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:15,079
back in better shape, lost weight, and lived a lot longer than what

1006
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:19,280
A lot of people were concerned that
Buster wasn't going to be with us back

1007
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,559
that happened, yea't. He made
a comeback to the boxing ring. That

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was in the aftermath of that.
But he did come back. I mean,

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he was off after the holy Field
fight for like six years, but

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then he had a series of fights. He fought for a few more years

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01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,800
and obviously, you know, he
finally ended where he got. He got

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01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,599
knocked out by lu Savaice in nineteen
ninety eight. He fought two more times

1013
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:37,719
than that was it. But after
all those terrible health problems. He did

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01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,599
get himself together and he was good
enough to be able to come back and

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01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,360
still have a career. And you
know what else he's been doing. He's

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01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,920
been working with kids in Columbus,
Ohio and boxing clubs and helping teach boxing

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,840
and giving back some Bravo Buster Douglas
on that as well. Happy birthday to

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01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,519
him here as we wrap up the
pot All right, so we've covered everything

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01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,639
the match rooms show, we covered
the back room idle week. We heard

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01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:05,920
a little Devin Hainey here as he
gets ready for Ryan Garcia. Anything else

1021
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,679
off the weekend? Or are we
good? Now? We're good? We're

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01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:12,480
good? Do I get a national
title prediction? Yukon Purduance is Yukon back

1023
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:15,000
to back? Here? It's ever? I think it's probably. I'll say

1024
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:16,679
this, it's probably Yukon, and
I guess I have to root for them

1025
01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:20,239
because my nephew is a freshman there
well. And the other about that,

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01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,840
The other thing is it's a connection
to Bobby Hurley and Duke Duke back to

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01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:27,000
back titles ninety one ninety two,
Danny Hurley the coach, his brother,

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01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:30,079
his younger brother. What's gonna happen
here? For Connecticut. Going back to

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01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:34,360
fact, Dan Rayfield, I appreciate
it as always. I'll make my way

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01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,639
back from Arizona and we'll regroup later
on in the week and have a preview

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01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:38,719
pod as well. For now,
have a great week, my friend,

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you too, enjoy the game.
There you go, there's Dan Rayfield.

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I'm merely TJ. Reeves. Thank
you for being with us. We give

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you this twice a week, Fight
Freaks Unite, a recap coming off a

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01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,280
weekend, big fight week in preview
going into the weekend. For now,

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we are good. Hope you enjoyed
everything here as part of the Fight Freaks

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United Recap podcast. Everybody, have
a great week.