What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season two, episode nine
of Clips and Dip. We are live on YouTube YouTube dot com Slash at
Clippers podcast. Come hang out. Yeah, I'm Chuck Mockler, joined by
William about Tyke. Adam Osland is in Sacramento. He's in a cryo chamber.
He's doing something somewhere in NorCal, somewhere in Norkal who knows NorCal as
far as I'm concerned. Starts at Burbank, you know what I'm talking about.
Today. We are joined by friend of the show, Carl Tart.
Carl, how the hell are you, buddy? Fellow swamp Kings right here?
Yeah? Wait? Which one of them? All? Right? Which
players are we? Because there's I don't want to be Riley Cooper if we're
doing swamp King, Well, Adam Osland is Riley Cooper because he's not He's
not here to defend himself. Yeah, perfect, So he's Riley Cooper.
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be Brandon spikes me because who was just like the
thing that's making me the most mad about this documentary is how crazy these workouts
and stuff were and they just having this like well, if you couldn't make
it, you saw. But Brandon was like, nah, man, I'm
very good and I don't like doing this. This is soft and good.
Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm gonna be Brandon Spikes. I'll be Percy Harving
because he smoked weed. All right. Yeah, maybe we got may William
Tebow, Yeah, will Wills Tebo, but without without the hommies, what
murder Today we're gonna be talking. We got some questions about James James Harden.
We got some questions about kind of like what the hell is gonna happen
next year? We're talking clippers betting odds since Adam isn't here, so we
can talk about that kind of stuff. But Carl just kind of getting back
to this James Harden saga for those people who aren't informed. Uh, He's
find a hundred thousand dollars. Do we think that that's a bad precedent to
set? Yeah, Like that's been the first time this whole year that I've
been like, all right, maybe not him, like maybe maybe not him,
maybe not I I was still love him. But if we can't get
it, if we can't get him for the low, for you know what
we all want Yeah, if we can't get him for the lown, then
I think I think it's okay for us to just go ahead and go all
right, all right, we'll roll what we got. Yeah, I think
that's very legit. I like James man, I wish I wish we could
get him. I wish we could get him for the low. But there's
there's stuff going on right now that I'm like, do we want these problems
in our organization? An organization that is probably the most heavily scrutinized organization in
the league right like, And that's and we're getting into a stare down situation
because James Harden is stubborn. Darryl moore is very stubborn. So this,
like the fact that Darryl Moorey is like I'm unbothered, I'm still gonna bring
him into training camp makes it worse for the Clippers too, Yeah, because
like, just let him be away from training camp. Yeah, don't have
him doing this whatever he's gonna do at training camp. Like, I think
he should take that money and play overseas. What is the can y'all explain
that he can't? I read? So there's a thing with the with I
think with the way that it's worded in, like NBA contracts, he can't
sign a contract like his team if he opts out like just doesn't play and
it's like I want to play overseas. The way that it's worded in,
I think it's the CBA or something part of the It's a part of the
CBA. So it was essentially, if you're an expiring with one year left
on your deal, if you try to just sit out the season, the
team that you're supposed to be playing for can like they have the power to
release or not release you for any team. It's not bound by league,
so like EuroLeague could be like no, man, like, yeah, he
can't go to China, like people are saying where he would make a ton
of money, but like they the seventy six ers, there's no way they
would let him do that. Wow, there's gonna be a shit you know
it already is. I mean there was one. I feel like he could
go to Abu Dhabi. I feel like, yeah, I mean, yeah,
we don't care about the collective bartening here, come over here, he's
he's a million dollars. He's got to be black listened from the NBA after
that right, Yeah, he hasn't, Yeah he got. I don't know.
I wouldn't do it. Those contracts. Did you see that soccer contract
that I think Naymar signed. He has like the house they're giving him is
basically a hotel. Like he gets like an extra five hundred thousand dollars per
social media post about the team, or some crazy thing like if they start
a basketball league's over for the MPa. So yeah, we got a question
about the hardened thing. Carl. Do you think Harden's a good fit?
This is from militant mind for or should the Clippers try and go after Lavine
or Derosin Those are the two names that have kind of been popping up.
Both of those guys play the same position as Kawhi Land and the Paul George
Well. I think in this there's this dream that some Clippers fans have have
that Kawai's moving down to the four. Yeah, sure, which would be
cool. Yeah that's cool. That's cool as hill. But no, like
James is the better fit. I want to see. I want to see
Rust and James together. I agree, and like, I love I like
both of these players. I mean DeRozan, I mean, certainly some some
flaws in both of these players games. I think either one of them would
make the season a little bit more electrifying. But I don't think it does
anything to like actually try to win something, which is like what this team
has tried to go all in on. I think that, like I feel
like in the two on three era, right, the thing has been everybody
wants a point guard. You know, it's media outlets saying we need a
point guard, it's the players on the team saying we need a point guard.
I just think to try this, this experiment or whatever you want to
call it to the ultimate test, Like you have to get the most point
guard of point guards, and I think James Harden is the best available,
which if other teams are getting in the mix as far as trades go,
that kind of goes away. But I think that you have to do that,
like here's what you wanted, here's what everybody asked for, it didn't
and like if that doesn't work out, then it's time to move on.
Man. Like I feel like you could look yourself in the mirror and say,
hey, we did everything to make this work, Like one of you
is gonna be traded, I promise you we tried exactly. I promise you.
I promise you, we tried. I mean, yeah, it is,
you can't. We have to be realistic. Everybody has to be realistic.
I think, because we get beat up on so much, we fall
into the trap of listening to all the noise. It's so hard to tune
out the noise, and the noise says, the noise is never giving us
any credit. Like sometimes I'll lark. I'll give you guys a little bit.
Is sometimes I'll lark going on TikTok and oh yeah, these people will,
these people will. Is that is that big Blad? Hey, what
up, big lad, Clipper Blad? If you're not seeing us, uh,
we're streaming right now. Clipper Ladd is in the chat. I hope
he's doing well. I can show comments. Oh hell yeah. So I'll
get on. I'll get on there and lurk sometime. And and it feels
like every like live that pops up in my algorithm is people doing basketball takes
of course on TikTok on TikTok. Yeah, and so I'll go in there.
You can go live on TikTok yeah. Oh yeah. It makes a
lot of money too. That's why it's just it's it's all just you know,
are you showing feet on TikTok during your time off with the strike?
Uh No, I'm not showing feed on TikTok. I I'm lurking on TikTok.
I'm burner. I'm burner and on TikTok as well. Hell yeah,
although it's although anytime I share a video, you can actually you can see
what. Yeah, I know what, we know what your burning is.
That's that's fine. On there, you can the burn on TikTok is because
I don't have any content. But they I'll get in there and just like
give give the clippers a little bit of love, and they'll always just go
insane. Oh they ain't done nothing, ain't done nothing. I'm like,
why are why do we have the most pressure on us with it? Like
with the dames of the media too, Yeah, because of the media picks
us and then things don't go well, then they say what were we thinking?
And then the next year they say, but what if it worked this
time? Yeah? But also they don't do that till are we forgetting at
the Phoenix Suns failed just as much as we do. Yes, they are
forgetting that because Devin Booker was so good that then they're like, oh,
well, all right, yeah, they just let them slide. It'll be
better next year. And then next year coming they're not better, Well,
you know they're gonna have a full year it is, then next year comeing.
Because I don't have them winning. Let next year either. I still
don't think that roster can beat Denver. So yeah, I don't either.
Remains to be saying, yeah, they they're the ones that have something approved.
But I will say the thing that keeps them in the conversation is they
continue to make big swing trades. Yeah, and that is something that said,
I mean really sense the two on three. I mean, I guess
if you want to count count Marcus Morris, we haven't really seen a whole
lot of yeah, outside of the big in terms of a big acquisition,
in terms of even trying to build a big three, unless you count Russ
as that big three. But that wasn't Yeah, that's another conversation. Bleacher
Report, the Laker media institutions just put out their like top five big threes
in the league, and some of them like they made uh the Bucks big
three honorable mention because it's like what Jannis Chris and Drew. Okay, honorable
mention. Honorable mention they gave They gave Book, Brad and KD a slot
A trio we've never seen played again, You've never seen play them, but
this was the one that really got me. Two two really got me.
Yeah, Alicans, c J. Brandon and Zion. Now, Zion has
had a lot of hate in the media. Zion's going through a lot.
So I'm not gonna sit here and say that we get more ship than him.
But we're all pro Zion. We're all pro Zion. But how did
he how did they get in there over our big three? And then the
next one that really, you know it really that big three, that big
three, that Pelicans Big three was kind of unstoppable wall Zion was healthy.
Yeah, so I can a little bit. I can a little bit understand
it. At least we've seen them play. We've seen them play. We
also saw our Big three play and they were very good as well. But
get to your grievances, Carl, Sorry, what grinded your gears? Well,
that that the fact that we weren't in there at all at all,
It was only like five of them. But the fact that we weren't in
there. These were the top five. And the fact that the Lakers Lebron
James, Anthony Davis. Okay, and just guess before I dude, and
this is what pisses me off. Austin Reeves is a very good basketball player.
Sure, no hate on that big three. He deserves to be an
India. That's what I will say. I always say that every time somebody
says I'm hating on it, because you can't say nothing about him. Every
time somebody says I hate and I'll say, he absolutely deserves to be a
in the NBA and getting prime minutes, and he's playing well, and he's
he's playing fine. The way the media is making him out to be is
that he Man. If it wasn't for uh, Anthony Awards and Austin Reeves,
this team will be owing. I was like, come on, man,
Yeah, Anthony Awards is right, but still a really good team over
there. Ala Burton, you got come on, man. So it's being
ridiculous. Is the Clipper is kau I PG and Russ a big three?
Though? I think so. I think it's a big two. I don't
mean just as much as Anthony Davison. I think it's more of a I
think it's more than at I think that's a big I think that's a better
big thing than the Lakers. I think you're right. I think that's that's
a fair thing to say. For sure. I'm also sick another grievance here.
I'm not I'm not following the thing today. It's time for me to
air my grievances. I'm sick of Kauai being the only player in the league
being called a if healthy given the if healthy qualification, as if he didn't
have a huge injury. Right, they just think he's resting. They don't
say he's not playing because he's hurt. Yeah, they I'm sick of hearing
Kauai if healthy, if healthy, if healthy, but not to grind your
gears anymore. That is the Clippers biggest hurdle. Of course, it is
if healthy. But I'm trying to everybody everybody is if healthy. Sure,
that's that's the will Upti school of thought, because we can't we try and
not say health when it's like, what's the biggest thing every teams to every
team look at the Bucks the year like the year after they won the championship,
Like no Chris Middleton. They got out in the first round, like
it. Yeah, health matters for every single team. Yeah, do you
have any other grievances you need to air? Carl Tasketball wives. We don't
have all day. We don't have all day. You guys got a show
to run. Someone mentioned that if the Clippers trade for James Harden, we
then have PG, Kauai and James Harden all kind of expecting large deals,
which is something I somehow, you know, it's been a long Offsea's been
very hot. I haven't hadn't really put that together. Does that make you
worried a little bit? Because like, also, Carl, do you think
that the Clippers are going to give PG the full max? Kawhi? I
think they'll give the full max. But do you think they're gonna give offer
PG a full I think it's four for two twenty. I hate to to
not be a man of the new generation with a hot take, but I
truly don't know. No, that's fair, dude, I don't know.
It's a better answer than a bad take. Yeah, I don't know.
I I don't know if I want them to. I don't know if I
want I'd love to, but what is the free agent market next year?
What is like? Who can we go after? Who can we replace those
guys with to bring in like we got we got this new stadium. Everybody
knows that now that we gotta have button seats in this new stadium. Uh
would who is? Who is? Who can we go after if we don't
max them out and they and they leave? I don't ye who anybody under
thirty? Anybody will under thirty? Well are you looking up right now?
Yeah, I'm trying to trying to look up some stats. I don't know
off the top of my head. Who's available next season? All right,
let me look at what are we look at twenty twenty four? Yeah?
Update, thank you sport track Pascal. If Siakam's not signed up, Pascal
siakamja go to Toronto. See my friend Pasca. I'm a Raptor buddy healed?
Is he forty? A big Pascal fan. I'm in Toronto like a
Raptor. That's just that's just one of my That's just one of my impressions.
Saw the op in the street and I see yak Tobias. No,
it's not a good class. I'm looking at twenty twenty four. You got
Pascal buddy, and then Chetti Osman, Roys, O'Neil, Tobias, Harris,
Klay Thompson. Let's trade the house for JD Osman Hoe Jaris Jaris is
on there. Uh no, man, I think I think we got to
keep those guys, and unfortunately I just think that's what we gotta do and
we gotta sign. Yeah, we gotta try and maybe trade them. This
is a bad class. This is not good Clay, does that do anything
for you? We gotta bad we gotta we gotta put that comment, post
that comment. We got some we got some rules posted. Guys. What
do we got? We gotta ultimatum. We gotta ultimatum, y'all even start
with this hard and stuff. The team discontinue talks to reason. I'm done
listening to as long as y'all keep begging for Harden. We're not begging,
Eugene, complete dumb ass. Shut up, you're not You're not listening to
us. Now. I love that Adam isn't here to rate over the radio,
so we'll do it on the internet. Yeah, uh no, Yeah.
The free agent class, I mean, Pascal would be tight. Pascal
will be like, I don't see the fit you guys next to Quiet PG.
Yeah, one of them is gone. I'm assuming that. I'm assuming
pg's gone. Got it, okay, Yeah, because like I mean,
someone might offer them a full contract. Oh my god, I just really
want Harden. Now I'm gonna start begging. But now they're good James Gang,
James Gang. But yeah, like that is I think the front office
obviously one of the parts that they don't want to deal with is the contract
mess of having those three dudes up. That seems like a bit of a
nightmare. I think it's under I think it's untenable. Like I really don't
know how you do it. It's gonna be so my thing. I guess
on the where I'm at with the Kauai and PG sort of contract situations,
I'm okay with either max years or max money, not both. So I'd
be willing to do, you know, a two plus one with the player
option on the last year for you know, near like you know hot like
near max. Both PG and Kauai are just okay, yeah, or you
know, fully max guaranteed the five years Kauhi offer Paul Georgia two plus one.
I know that that creates a really weird locker room dynamic. I just
don't think. I just don't think like, given the age and everything,
you can hand out two of those contracts, like two of those max money,
max year contracts, forget about the heart and stuff like, I don't
think it. I don't think that any team, especially a team like us,
that that prior to this CBA wasn't drafting young talent, well, wasn't
really developing that talent. A couple of things fell into our laps. You
know, we you know we didn't, we didn't do a couple things,
right. But I just I think with the new CBA and like the how
much you restricted after you go over the second apron, I just don't know
that you can remain competitive with a team that that has that much money tied
up in contracts and next to no young talent. Like, I don't I
don't know how teams will be able to continue to stay competitive. Yeah,
that's a good call. We got a question the chat from your boy greg
A, but why go after just James? We talked about a little bit
earlier, but he mentioned I'm sure someone wants to come play for us,
like other than James Harden. It would be nice to know if anyone else
wants to come play for this team. I mean I've talked about Dame.
I've talked about Dame a bunch of times on this podcast. I would love
it. I mean, you know, I would love to make that happen.
I just don't think that we just don't have the goods. It's the
thing because Dame is locked up. Like that's the other thing. Like Dame
is locked up. Yeah, like whoever trades for him, Like, you're
comfortable giving up the picks. You're comfortable giving up a good player because you
know that you have those years and sure like his athletic system or whatever will
decline, but you know that you are getting him for the rest of his
prime on your team. Yeah, that's a good call, unless you're not
the heat apparently, Yeah, you're like. No. We got a question
kind of in relation to this clip. City Grind asks, I love this
question, Marcus Morris. Where do we go from here? Does he come
to training camp? Phenomenal question, Carl, where are you out on Marcus
Morris? We even already talked about Marcus Morris. Yet why the silence?
I gotta I can't be like a I can't be a Twitter, Marcus Morris,
hater, You're not going to photoshop his face on like something horrible happening.
I am you know me. You know I defend this team to the
death. I'm not a big fan of putting us in a place. I
told you by the time, I was sitting next to the guy at the
playing game, we weren't getting good calls. And the guy told me what,
you guys haven't earned it as a franchise. You guys haven't earned good
calls as a franchise. And I said how stupid he was. And I
love Palmer heard me and us so hopefully that that will give me season tickets
one day. But I was like, that's a dumb take. That's a
dumb thing. I never said. I never called a grown ass man dumb
that many times to his face. And I was a stranger too, that's
great, that's dumb, stupid as hell. That's a dumb thing to say.
We mean, we haven't earned a good call. You kidn't given Paul
Georgian kawhilin haven't earned good calls, Get the hell out of my face.
A staples Center. A Staples Center red jacket is like, sir, you
need to calm down. Hell, no, that's dumb as hell, that's
dumb. But I don't like conversations like that about what we've earned what we
haven't. But I do believe we shouldn't present ourselves as Clipper fans like that.
We haven't earned that right to just like shit on our team like that.
And he is not He's not great. He did not play great.
Right. I would like him, I would. I would prefer him to
be off the team. But if he is on the team, I hope
he plays to his damn best ability. But with all the stuff, like
they've already tried to trade him once and did and then it fell through,
like bringing him back? Will you talked a little bit about like a weird
locker room dynamic with the PG contracts if things go weird. What about the
locker dynamic this season if a guy who started and then was benched for Now
that we're a little further away from when that happened, that benching was odd.
But yeah, look, I mean how it went through. I mean
it's kind of been talked about how Rob hasn't had any like conversations Covington.
Sorry I just said, but Robert Covington hasn't had any conversations with Tie through
the summer. I get guarantee you that is not the same thing happening with
Ty and Marcus Morris. I'm sure on vacation, I agree, But I
assume there was a conversation. You know, we know that the two get
get along, and I mean, to some degree may have influenced some of
his playing time or some of the hesitancy to sort of move him. So
I think that I think that it's still salvageable. I just don't know why,
man, I really love that. I love I kind of struggle to
see, like what the utility is and maybe last year was a blip on
the radar. He can get a little bit, he can get closer to
like where we knew him to be. But the biggest thing for me is
just like the falloff. Defensively, I think it's just a little bit too
much to stomach. I think you could use that as levers to get younger
with somebody who maybe not that good Martin. Huh, like kJ Martin already
got kJ Martin, I know, but like he could take his place.
What I'm saying, oh yeah, take his place. But I'm saying on
the roster, take his place on. Take somebody to take his place completely
on the roster, like let's get let's get rid of him and and just
sign some contract, like let's get let's get some people who are out there
who are looking for an opportunity, who may be a good fit, that
are young and you know, may not be reaching their full potential where where
they are or anything like let's let's just get younger. We need to get
younger. We're old ass team. I love the kJ Martin move for that.
Yeah. Now with Morris, it's tough because it's like who wants Marcus
Morris? And I know that sounds like a dickhead thing to say, but
realistically we should. We should have traded for bowl Bow. That would have
you talk about putting butts and seats at the into it don bow Bow on
the opening day graphic the Bull that's the Big three, Kauhi PG Bow Bow
Bow. Welcome to the California. This is an invitation to my bowl Bowl,
Nate. We could pay ice Cube to wear a Clippers gear again like
you did for that one. Exactly what the Hail's bow Bowl talking about.
That's how you get these nuts. Put your Mount. All right, we
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All right, so we're backing on Cliffs and Dip with special guest Carl
Tart. Let's move into some mailbag questions. Hopest Or nine wants to know,
did y'all watch the clips Rico Heines run? Who impressed? Chuck,
I'll kick it to you. I did watch the Rico Heines run. Right
after we got this question, Carl, did you see another Rico Heines footage?
I didn't, Big Plane, No, he was not. I did
not. I didn't. I didn't see any of these. Where was it
at? It's on YouTube. I didn't see it. It's on YouTube.
I did watch it. It was pretty cool. It was Brandon Boston,
Norm Moosa, Roco kJ Martin. They were all kind of on the same
team. They played against Kade Cunningham. I saw Thompson, Isaiah Stewart and
some other guys. It was cool to see man. Like, honestly,
I think we need to talk about how Bones Highland has seemingly been at every
single pro am. He's almost doing. Remember when Tres used to just be
like in the summers and the offseason, Tres was like, yeah, if
there's a basketball court, I'm playing on it, like we're just gonna run.
I love it. Yes, I love and Bones, Thank you star
Manhove. I love that Bones Highland is at all these runs. And he
was going at Kade Cunningham. And I know we all know that Bones doesn't
lack confidence, but it was nice to see him going head to head with
Kade. He had a couple in saying finishes that happened to go in,
which I think is something Clippers fans. We watched him sometimes last year and
it was like there's no real plan when he gets to the room, like
he can finish well, but sometimes he's like back to the basket, like
opposite hand types. Can he finished well and sometimes I think that's fair.
I think sometimes it's fair. Bones has been working. I also want to
note Brandon Boston Junior now a bigger frame than Bones Highland, which I think
is great progress for that young man's career. Yeah. Yeah, he's a
big dude. Yeah. Bb Jr. Again looked confident. I think these
two guys have kind of a similar vibe when it comes to what you're gonna
see and something like the Rico Heinz run. But I was happy to see
him going against competition like this. Kate Cunningham looked good. I'm excited to
see his highlights because I just don't watch Pistons games, but these runs are
good. I think Russell Westbrook they were saying was at one, but I
couldn't. I didn't see anything about that. Carl. Where are you at
on Bones? Has he replaced the expectations that you had for Brandon Boston Junior?
Or where are you out on the young guys? Yeah? I think
he's better. Uh. The young guys are tough man and tough in the
bad weight. I don't I think they're they're tough to get behind. They've
shown very tiny flashes, but haven't done enough for me. Uh. Such
a cool story that was put out about Moosa in the G League, I
mean in the Drew League. Yeah, and then I was like, but
why is he struggling in the Drew League? That's a completely that's a completely
fair. It's very cool that his that he that he has his Uh yeah,
he's coachable and he's really why is he struggling in the Drew League?
You played in BA. You don't think the Bones could soak up some minutes
at the one with the starters? Yeah, I mean with the starters soak
up minute? Maybe not SoC maybe did his toes a minute much? Yeah,
maybe that's mopping up when things go when things getting messy. I don't
think. I don't think Bones is the safety guy that we subb in when
things are like things are so frenup. But out of all the point guards
on our roster, yeah, he's gonna have to be him. I mean
that's true though. That's a good call, am I tripping? Does Norm
never really played a one? Can he not play the one? He kind
of plays the one? Oh? Norm looks phenomenal in these runs. I
think he looked the best. But again, he has much more experience than
most of the people he was playing with. Rocco was there excited for a
healthy Norm. We haven't talked about Norm enough on this podcast. I love
watching Norm. I think a full season, a healthy Norm should help the
regular season as compared to last season. That's a good call. I'm looking
up his position breakdowns right now. He doesn't really pass. That's not really
this thing. He's not there to pass. He played twenty five per cent
of his minutes at point guard for the Clippers last season, and sixty seven
percent of the two Yeah, well, what's his what's his assist per game?
No, I'm saying he like he's for sure a two guard. Yeah.
His assist per game last year one point eight? Yeah, yeah,
healthy one point that's what That's probably why it's not let's let's call it two
guys. Well, I was about to say, I know Matth is kind
of the only absolute we have on this planet, but I would round down
on that. That's an accidental assist that gets tipped off his hands and Brandon
Boston makes a three. Yeah. No, I mean yeah, we gotta
get younger and we gotta get some more action in there. I love the
kJ. Martin move homes and kJ together is gonna be very fun to watch.
Offensively, the kJ play defense. I haven't seen. I haven't watched
enough of him. I haven't I don't watch a lot of Rockets games.
Yeah, so I mean, based on their team, probably not. I
don't think he's been another guy who like has the tools but played for the
Rockets. So it's a little though. I feel like it's I think that
those player evaluations are pretty hard for me from like this team. This team
doesn't give a shit about defense, Like they're they're not in a good scheme,
they're not being taught good things, Like how do you what do you
take away from that? Yeah, it's like college, Like I guess it's
cool when guys are good defenders in college and you're like, Okay, they
clearly have the instincts, but if they suck, it's kind of like,
well they could maybe get better. I mean, it wasn't an emphasis of
their program. Yeah that's a good call. Oh, someone in the chat
is saying, according to Rockets fans, kJ is not a defender, but
maybe it was the team. Yeah, it sounds about right. That happened,
Carl, What did you think of kJ Martin being the only Clippers player
in the schedule kickoff video. I didn't see that either. I was so
pissed off by every other team's schedule kickoff video. The Clippers one is well
broad. He takes a basketball that has the Wilson hand print from Castaway to
Chick fil A, and Hannah Cormier's in it at a dance rehearsal and their
venice. That's nice. I don't know. It was not my favorite intro
video. There were some whack ones. I want who'd I watched? And
I was they were like rolling down bottles of stuff every team. Yeah,
And I was like, if it's if it's anything disrespectful from the fucking timberwoold,
I'm gonna flip my god damn winging and those paper clips. And I'm
like, all right, that's fine, Like s I get you that one.
If it was anything that was like, we don't even want to make
one for them, if they rolled down like any anything that wasn't they rolled
down the they rolled down the legislation that said it's Donald Sterling's fault that there's
rank there has to be in California, Well, it wasn't very good.
I don't know if you need to watch. I think that's totally fine.
But I like that they're hyping him up. I like that we are like
he's gonna be a piece. I feel like he's gonna be a big part
of the team. He's athletic as hell. Yes, he can cut.
That's good to see. We got a question from Tyler Landinsky. He says
last year was the first year ever that the Clips were the favorite to win
a championship. I don't think that they actually were the favorite train championship,
but he says, which means the Clippers had a target on their back.
Every team went after them every game. Tyler doesn't think that they were ready
for that. He's curious if anyone agrees, and he doesn't think this gets
enough attention. Uh, Carl, go ahead, Yeah, I don't.
I don't think we're ever ready for that. I don't think we have the
personalities on our team to be ready for that. I think Kawai was Kawhi
is always Kawhi is always ready, but he didn't play, so it is
it's tough to think about that. You know, he's always ready. He
marches to be his own drum. He would have really been bad on that
Iran Maya Florida team. Oh yeah, he would have been like, I'm
not running for ship. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go out here.
I'm gonna play really well on Saturdays, but I'm not running. I'm not
going to class. Yeah, except for pottery class. But he yeah,
I don't know. I think we just don't have. If we had to
still had Paul Paul George, Pat Bath or something like that, I think
we would have. That would have taken us over the top energy wise.
Do you think a full season of Russ now coming up? Yes, maybe
that, Yes, that substitutes a bit of the Pat beevness. Yes,
absolutely, and bones. I think Ball's gonna get into mask too. You
got to Westbrook, Jersey, right, Yeah, Okay, he's getting so
he's getting traded at Oh he's gone yeah yeah, yeah for sure. I
bought I bought an on court ZoomBox Jersey. Really no, I remember what
I was talking to you guys. It was on the NBA auctions and I
was like, damn, how much was it? It wasn't two forty,
It wasn't even crazy. It was like how much you would pay for a
replica, Like maybe even a little less. And for how much and for
how much fabric that is? That's a screaming deal. That was the thing.
I was like, if I buy this jersey, a do I wear
it? Because it'll go down to my knees? Yeah? And then like
I'm like, what do I frame it? Like? Do I keep it
like my like my Blake jersey back? I think I need to get signed.
Yeah. But then it's like then people are like, oh, you
gotta Blake Griffin and a piece of Yeah, the longest currently the longest ten
year Clipper. I don't know why you wouldn't have it, You wouldn't have
a jersey hung out? Well, where are you at? Do you agree
with Tyler Lane Dinsky? That's a Midwestern name if I've heard one. I
think we as fans think about this stuff a way more than the players do.
Like I think that players get up to play teams that are good,
and I mean I just had to be honest. I like maybe maybe they
did have a targear on their back, or teams thought they were I thought
the Clippers would be good, or just wanted to stunt on the Clippers.
I don't know. I think it's the same though for a lot of teams.
Yeah, I don't. I don't think that I agree with Will.
I agree with you. I think I think the Clippers, no matter what
our franchise, what row our franchise takes to get better and and to to
erase the history of whatever the franchise has been in the past, I think
we all grew up being like, oh, the Clippers is a dub.
I'm going in here and get a dub on the Clippers, right, And
even though we have the most winning team in the past ten years, people
are like, I'm not afraid of the Clippers. I think even on back
to back nights where the teams have to play the Lakers the next night,
I think they're more like, no, I gotta come alive for that.
I feel like when that court changes and those lights go down in the stands,
people treat that like Madison Square Garden. Yeah, getting ways, no
community outreach, no none, They don't need to. They turn up for
that. That's like, that's that's that's the West Coast Madison Square Garden.
When when they played it, so I think and I think us it's like,
you know, I think it's just a disrespect across the league. That's
like, oh, yeah, but that's the Clippers though, It's like the
Clippers are like the TD Guarden, Right, yeah, there was our Barclay
Center. Yeah. I think that's fair. It's and it's also it's so
I like what Will said about how I don't think players think about it maybe
as much as fans do. It's also really difficult when your team is in
flux of being totally hurt. Yeah, And like it's also like, it's
not like I think to say this argument that they weren't ready for the target
kind of discredits all the ship they were going through with injuries, because it's
not like we were fully healthy and we shipped the bet everyone like our main
guys were hurt. It's also I mean, like I kind of think too,
and I'm not you know, in the locker room, but to a
certain degree, there's expectations on every team, you know, like in like
for the players, and it's not that you're gonna win the championship. I
think you're aware of the talent, the talent level and everything that's on your
team, but you have goals and aspirations, and I think it's pretty clear
when you're not really meeting those just kind of like any other job. Yeah,
just like it's just stressful to think about like every day, Like I'm
on strike. I'm on double strike right now. Oh yeah, you are
on double strike. I'm on double strike, and I like everything about this
is just like, ah, are you wearing are you wearing your clippers jersey?
And hopes that you see Margot Robbie one of the strikes and you go,
oh, hey, I don't I don't know you, but we both
are Clippers fans. Yeah, oh my god, what those your real feet?
And Barbie? Wow, I would love to compare. I don't know,
that's crazy, Like, don need some lotion on them or something.
What other movies do you show your feet? That's let me just let me
just write this down. Once upon a time in Hollywood for sure. Yeah.
It was definitely in Babylon. Oh yeah, yeah, all right,
this this thinks so, but there's not a foot. I don't know if
there they weren't. I would love so munch of this. If this thirty
eight minute mark of this podcast was the first time someone tuned in on the
live stream not her real feet. Barley, by the way, did you
just look it up? No, I already know. Do you know whose
feet they are? Some of the foot model Lady Goslings. Yeah, all
right. We got a question from the law of the jam of the podcast,
which is also under the two and three Hoops umbrella as Clips and dip
is, go and check out all their content. They don't talk about feet
as much, so if that's what you're into, check out this podcast.
They want to know what the Clippers curses up to these days, and how
does the Clippers curset reel about James hard Oh oh, oh no, what
is that? It's the ship coming in. Oh I'm ducking in Inglewood.
You were in France? I was not. I was not. I was
in Seattle, okay, and I sing the floor for the preseason game.
Oh no, you're putting in that preseason. You're doing work too on the
preseason. I'm on double strike. God this get this damn curse? So
okay, curse. I'll work for Kaiser Permanente the various activities aside. Can
you give us any inside or any source info on this James Harden situation?
Listen, I'm an insider. I stay inside, I live inside. Have
you guys talked about feet yet? By the way we have. You'll have
to rewind to the thirty eight minute mark. Oh perfect, whose feet or
curse? We'll get to that later. I think you know. I think
James Harden will not be joining our team in the beginning of the season,
unfortunately, but campaign will. But later in the season, Yes, later
in the season, he's coming. He'll be bigger than ever. You're strong,
Oxen strong, and he'll do everything we need him to do. Wait
all to Russell. We the curse, as we the curse, or as
we Clippers, we the curse? Oi oi boo? Of course, oh
we the curse, and he will do everything we need him to do.
Pass the ball arrantly to Russell Westbrook behind the three point line. Oh oh
oh, did I lose you? I don't like this curse. I don't
like what you're doing. I don't know why you're in Seattle, but I
hope you didn't. I told you I'm buttering the floor for the preseason game.
First you said I think, Now you said buttering. I'm not sure
what icing and buttering like a pop start. You gotta cover your basis,
got to make sure that floor is as slippery as possible for our starters.
I want to see musa debate starting this season. No, all right,
Curse, we gotta, we gotta, We're gonna put too far. You
just pulled in the anglewood. Well, good luck, buddy, bar of
Wa. Well, thank you, Curse for coming in. We appreciate that,
I guess, thank you for that question opposite, bar of War.
This is a hard side. But does anyone here follow Brad Turner, the
Lakers writer on Twitter. No, Yeah, that man is on his annual
Paris trip, and I don't think there's anyone who enjoys going to Paris more
than Brad Turner. Yeah, it seems like a good time. Yeah,
he's in meeking us. He's having a great time. All right, coming
up, We're done with questions unless you send him to us. On the
livestream at YouTube dot com slash at Clippers podcast, we're gonna talk lou Will
saying now him and Jamal Crawfords are being in the Hall of Fame, some
Clippers betting odds because Adam's not here, So we can really let loose and
talk about feet and gambling money. We got ads coming up. They've been
too loud, Go ahead and turn it down. Uh, championship odds coming
up after this. All right, we are back. We're talking random stuff
with Clipper Carr Tart. He's on double strike, doing his best. He's
on the picket lines, he's supporting. Recently, Lou Will said that he
and Jamal Crawford belong in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Carl agree or disagree?
Agree. I think the sixth man is is one of the most important
positions in basketball, and they both did it the best, and I think
that they were very successful at it, right, And it's I think any
argument to discredit it. I'm like, why why would you be mad at
this? Yeah, Like, it's the basketball It's not the NBA Hall of
Fame, which is I think sometimes something people will get it's the basketball Hall
of Fame, meaning they should a one hundred percent they want like some wild
percentage of the those awards that have been given out the whole time. Lou
Will was lou Wills came out of high school and played until he was with
thirty six years old. Thirty seven, Yes, and not only did he
just come out of high school because I look, I wanted to look at
his wiki to be like, Okay, aside from the pro stuff, like
he was basketball and Georgia as a junior and senior he was the Nice Wreath
Prep Player of the Year and he's the second all time leading scorer in Georgia
high school basketball history. Yeah, man, put them in the Hall of
Fame. Will are you against it? I'm with it? Like so I
get that. I get that people's arguments are kind of like where do you
draw the line? You know, like with with these players like say Lou
Will and Jamal Crawford get in, you know, like where does it stop?
Exactly Like what I would say though, that for me, the Hall
of Fame criteria is already like you know, who's definitely getting in right kind
with like eight All Star appearances, Like they're gonna get in, Like that's
cool. I think that like for me, like part of it should not
just be accolades, but how they sort of transformed the game, you know
what I mean, Like that to me is as important. And I think
that the way Lou Will and Jamal Crawford impacted the way that position is played
because now, I mean they kind of change how the sixth Man of the
Year award is even given right now, it's like best bench orror and you
know, for better or worse, if you're if you're against that sort of
thing. But I think that that impact should also be reflected in the Hall
of Fame, Like why wouldn't it be isn't Genoba getting in? Yeah?
Yeah, yeah, he's also I think multiple champions, So like, yes,
that that's you think he's a multiple champion. I think I wasn't there,
sure, not sure the video. I wasn't there. I saw him
catch that bad I know that was real. That in the moon landing,
pretty sure. I'm pretty sure they heard what they're what they're saying is true.
Then yeah, it happened. But yeah, they got to be in
the half. Anytime you win a major NBA award three times, yeah,
I think it's pretty difficult to argue that person just shouldn't be an All of
Fame. Teams have to set there, Uh have to set there? What
am I trying to say? Not line up, but have to change their
game plan for both of those guys. Yeah, even though they're not the
starter on the team, they have to change their game plan for both of
them. Who they who they first subban, who their sixth man is going
to be? All that type of stuff. So yeah, I don't think
they don't need to be first ballot like immediately after they retire, but like,
you know how they do. You know how when you're watching the NFL
Hall of Fame induction everything, who the hell is that guy? Yeah?
Uh, someone's asking, are we serious? Nobody's way more accomplished than new
Will and Jamal. We know that, we know that we were not making
that. We were not making a COMPETI not making a comparison. This is
the issue that I have with this shit go off, Like people just want
to argue, right, are you serious? We didn't say we did not
say that. I mentioned his name because he was a sixth man and we
said he was very good. And when multiple Charles followed up with I think
he won championship, yeah, we also think that the earth is round.
No, come on, man, we're not trying to argue this. We're
not saying that. Yeah, I'm not saying that they should all be in
the Hall of Fame. Everybody, everybody who's ever stepped on an NBA court,
including myself. I got a picture of me on NBA court. I
should be in the Hall of Fame. Is out there? Yeah, all
right, we're talking betting lines now. Since Adam is gone, you can't
talk about this stuff from Draft Kings sports book. Uh. The Clippers odds
to win the twenty three twenty four NBA Finals are plus eighteen hundred, So
if you're bet one hundred bucks, you will win eighteen hundred dollars. Uh.
Fair or unfair As of August twenty fifth at four pm. I think
it's a little overfair. Oh you're saying, you're saying smash that, but
take that bet. Yeah, take that one hundred eight hundred. I'm not
mad at that. Yeah, you're taking that every time? Yeah, every
time, doesn't matter what the bet is. I'll take it every bed,
every time. And I'm also going to the Hall of Fame four yea,
I will. Are you Are you putting that hundred down? Absolutely not?
Absolutely not. You think the odds should be better or worse? Uh?
Maybe I feel like maybe slightly horriors. I think someone in the chat I
apologize, I showed it up. It was Eugene. They said that it
was like plus two thousand, which actually feels a little bit more accurate.
Yeah, I think and we don't like Kauai is gonna be ready that's what
they say. I mean because like, so plus eighteen hundred, that roughly
equates to what like a one in eighteen chance that they win the NBA Finals.
Sure, I don't feel like it's that. I don't know that it's
that high. You think one in twenty kind damn? All right, let's
take it down a notch. Clippers odds to win the twenty three twenty four
Western Conference plus two thousands. Actually, I'm gonna recant on this. I'm
sorry. I feel like I feel they're serious. I feel like they have
a better chance of winning the finals than they do the Western Conference. And
you know, it sounds crazy, crazy, like the odds if we if
we beat whatever team is on the other side of us in that West Conference
finals, Phoenix Denver, the other LA team Denver, if you go through,
if you go through like Phoenix Denver. I mean even like, let's
say as Zion's healthy, the Pelicans are good, uh, you know,
fully healthy, Grizzlies, like you know, there's a thunder, aren't going
to be shitty. Yeah, there's a lot of tough teams that you could
have to go through, not that there aren't in the East, but I
like I'm liking whoever comes out of the West to win the whole thing.
Okay, and then talk about division. This is where the real This is
where you know, you're a complete lunatic if you're This is where my degenerate
gambler. Yeah, this is where the degenerates rat the l A Clippers odds
to win the Pacific Division next year plus five fifty one. M h yeah,
I'll take that Phoenix. You got the other LA team, you got
the Dubs, you got the Kings, you got us. Never mind,
I'm gonna recan't bro. The pactive is gonna be a damn nightmare next year.
The NBA's gonna be a nightmare. I'm not watching. You're not You're
out. I'm checking. I'm checking out at the super Bowl. I'm checking
out a sports at the Super Bowl. Uh Will? Where are you out?
On these pactive betting? Are you putting that that, Benjamin, they
have a one in five chance to win the division? Yeah, I mean
that seems pretty reasonable, all right, So you're putting that hundred down?
Yes, okay, that's fair. Yeah. Man, God, I wish
the division. Well I haven't, I don't. I can't remember on the
schedule. Off the top of my head, how many of the Pacific Division
games are played at noon? And how many are played in that span where
we play one quarter of the season in the same Oh, let me check
out the Clippers. That's a have you looked at any of this stuff at
all? There's one month in which the Clippers play a quarter of the entire
season. Seven. I sent y'all that that TikTok of the woman saying we're
the most hated team. We are Finally somebody outside of our fan base says
it, were you trying to get on Live and be like, hey,
well I was trying to. I was trying to share that in my story,
but she didn't. She has her she has that turned off. She
probably gets a lot of hate because she's a woman in sports. But unfortunately,
Yeah, but sometimes I also see her talking some bullshit, so she
deserves to hate on those days. But it definitely there are times where like
it feels like only we are saying, like there's got to be some conspiracy
out against us. And so I'm happy that somebody who doesn't like us,
because I assume she's a Laker fan, because that's what most people who get
online and talk sports are or Laker fans. Uh. She is even saying
like, wow, this has to be the most hated team. Well,
we have what like forty percent more air travel miles than like any other team.
So in March, no pactive games, none, we don't play a
single divisional opponent. It's all Eastern Conference teams except for Dallas and Portland.
Damn. However, in April we play Sacramento once and Phoenix twice. Man,
the end of the season is gonna be. It's it's gonna be a
test. It's gonna be. And then the last thing I want to talk
about Coach Bell. I don't know if you guys remember coach Bell. He's
going to the Suns. He's doing with the Clippers for like seven years or
something like that. Kind of a interesting loss. I thought he's just been
a figure on the Clippers ciling for a very long time. Okay, dude
was super cool. Carl. Is there anything that you can legally plug during
your double strike moment that you would like people to come check you out?
I've blood pocket ask you. You can come on patreon dot com and listen
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is new football podcast I got out. That is on the main feed,
but there's bonus on the same Patreon. Check that one out. First episode
is out and then we're gonna be talking fantasy football and stuff like that.
And also listen to Xoxo Got Some Kings, which is the podcast I host
from my home boy Lamar will Is. Will we watch Gospel Girl and talk
shit about it? That seems like a fun time, fun time. Well,
thank you so much for being a part of this podcast. We'll absolutely
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