Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host,
Alejandro Rojas, and I am joined this week by mister Martin Willis. Hello,
sir, Hello, I'm just playing Martin Willis. I like that,
do you. It's a new look for me. Yeah, usually for listeners
whom might not be aware. I give Martin a nickname today. I did
not for unknown reasons. But the nicknames I give Martin are for unknown reasons
as well. They just kind of come out, and we'll have a new
one next week. Well, I think today's nickname is fitting. Actually just
blank. Yeah, Blank's slate. Blank. So I want to tell people
about the show. This show, Open Mind GOFO Radio is about credible UFO
news and information. We can take more of a journalistic perspective where we're looking
at substantiated information. Now we do speculate, but well we'll let you know
when we're speculating. But you know, we're not all full of speculation like
a lot of this field can be. We also, at the beginning of
the show review news before we get to our guests. So Martin joins me
with the news. That's the first segment for some odd reason, and I
don't recommend it. But if you want to go to the interview, which
some do, you know, that's about twenty five minutes in, so you
can't skip and go straight to that. But first we'll cover to the news
after I tell you who my guest is. And my guest this week is
Kevin Day. And of course we've been talking a lot about this Pentagon UFO
project and the new were Time story, and I've been interviewing you know,
Leslie Kane who helped write the story, and all of these people related to
it. But I have not yet spoken to one of the witnesses to the
case that kind of came out with this Pentagon UFO news, this two thousand
and four Nimic's UFO encounter. So this is my first time interviewing one of
the witnesses. Kevin Day was a radar operator on the USS Princeton, so
he is a guy who essentially vectored in Commander David Fraver, who was the
faighteen pilot to go check out this UFO essentially, And so we'll talk to
Kevin about that. He's a great guest and what was all so really cool?
Martin, you'll like probably find this interesting. It is first of all,
of course the Navy news that announcing that they're going to be coming up
with UFO protocols or that they did, was a big deal to him.
But he also has a lot of really positive things to say about to the
Stars and their involvement with that and his and in particular Lou Alesando and his
relations with them, which I think is important because of course I've got this
upcoming interview with Lou in a few weeks and I'll update you all on that,
but it's also important because people keep calling into question Lou Elessondo's integrity and
which is to me and I want to hear your honest opinion, Martin,
which is to me a little bit curious, because I don't think Lou Alesando's
conduct at all has has really raised any reason for question, and in fact,
as Tom has gone on, all of the things he said, for
the most part, have been verified. So I don't know, do you
have any skepticism towards towards Alessando. Not nothing, really, you know,
after meeting him and speaking with him face to face, I don't. I
don't have any feeling. I think what has happened, or partially what has
happened here is there's been some times where the UFO community has felt burnt before,
you know, Bill Moore case, going way back to the nineteen eighties,
and you know, like the Roswell slides, and you know, I
mean there's there's so many times but we've gotten our hopes up, you know,
in the field and only to be crushed. And I think I think
you and I, you and I are very bright to pat ourselves on the
back. We typically don't fall for it, like the roswellt slides. You
and I right off the bat were like, ah, yeah, major eye
roll. You know, we didn't really fall for that. Although you know,
certainly to your point, every time there's this big, supposedly oh big
UFO announcement, it never happens. But it's now happening. It seems it
seems really close. And you know, I got to watch the screener for
Unidentified we're talking about that, and oh that was real. That's really really
good and that's coming out what in the end of this month, and just
yeah, May thirty first, Oh, and that was going to be my
update regarding lou E Alsando because there's probably some people listening here saying wait a
second, I thought you were going to interview Lou and I have been teasing
you guys, and Lou's been teasing me. But it's not necessarily his fault
in a way, maybe, but essentially, you know, he didn't realize
when you're part of a TV program, especially when you're the main character,
they kind of get to dictate, you know, when you do interviews.
So you know when I talked to him a month or so ago and he's
like, Yeah, it's time to do an interview, let's do an interview.
And then he was like, well, I've got to check with them,
so I'm sure they'll let me do it next week. You know,
he didn't get a hard date. Now we do have a hard date.
So I'll be interviewing him the weekend after the show launches. So the show
will be after Ancient Aliens on May thirty first. Immediately after that that weekend,
I'll interview Lou. So the next show after that will be my interview
with Louie Alzando. So that's how that's going to go. But I'm glad
you got to see the show. So it's not just me out there saying
this show is really good. Thust of All. I've talked to Ryan Sprague
who's watched it. I haven't really talked to MJ a whole lot about his
opinions. Maybe if you have, you could share that. But everybody I've
talked to you so far that I've seen it thinks it's really good and I
think it is too well. I got to say, it's probably the best
thing I've watched on TV. Wow, in regards to UFOs, it was
really that good. Wow. Have you read what MJ? Do you know
what MJ? Benica? And he's just another podcaster guy out there. And
the reason I ask about him is just he's a cool kid and he's a
bit skeptical. He can be a little more critical than rebby you or I,
So it's it's interesting to hear what he may have to say. Yeah,
I haven't talked to him. He is going to be on my show
next week, but I haven't talked to him yet about about that. But
yeah, he is. He does reviews. He's really for anyone that doesn't
know this, he does great, great reviews on YouTube on a weekly basis.
Yeah, so he has one out there. People can look it up.
But I guess I'll also be able to hear on your podcast what he
thinks. Yeah, that's true, you're gonna listen. Wow, I'm honored.
No, I said, they cannot me. Oh oh oh oh yeah,
I just kidding. Yeah. Oh you know what MJ's going to be
on my next podcast. Well, we're going to have he is too time
in US, so that'll be at the same time. So that's so funny.
And the reason I didn't I was just thinking I should look at my
schedule because I have a few people already in the pipe for my next interviews,
and I think and I should share with people what that is. And
then I just realized, yeah, I'll be talking to MJ. Of course,
MJ's trying to do the rounds out there because he has a new book
out there called UFO People, so he wants to talk about that. So
we'll talk to him. Maybe I'll debate him a little bit on some of
the the lou Alsando and the show stuff, and that I'd be a lot
of fun. So we'll try to talk to about you know, maybe we
should coordinate a little bit too, and you tell me what topics you want
to talk about, and I'll talk about my topics. That way we can
make sure we cover different topics with him, not a bad idea, not
a bad idea. And then the week after that, I'll have doctor Bob
Davis and he's very interesting and neuroscientist who has been looking into abduction. I've
had him on the show before, but he's got a new book out as
well. And then the week after that will be lou And then the week
after that, I'm very excited about, we'll be Nick Pope. So that's
going to be a lot of fun. He's in the news today, Yeah,
exactly. We'll be talking about him in just a second when we cover
the news. So that's what's upcoming. So lots of exciting things to look
forward to. But I guess let's go ahead and get into the news,
all right, Well, I want to start out today. This is from
the News five in Cleveland and local UFO videographers believe northeast Ohio is a UFO
hut, a UFO sighting hot zone. You know, people may call it
people in the trade so to be called a different, you know, term
than that, but you get the gist of what they're saying. So anyway,
there on this website, you can check it out. There's about a
three minute and forty second video that shows all these different videographers that have you
know, pieced together. There are sighting films and there's some really good video
on there. There's a number of v formation you know, trying These are
all lights in the sky for the most part. There's one video that actually
shows some type of object at the very end of the at the very end
of the role. But anyway, the different people that have taken these films
have all one thing in common. They said, you know, these sightings
have changed their life. Now there's one guy that's a long time ufologist there,
Dale Harder's his name, and the Cleveland Uthology Project and it's one of
the oldest UFO organizations. I had never heard of it, but it was
established back in nineteen fifty two. And he said that, you know,
basically the Cleveland area is basically a hot spot. And according to Muffon,
there are I think it's number five the Ohio's number five in the UFO sightings
reported per year. So you know, it's right next to the lake.
There's always seems to be some something going on over the Great Lakes and that's
where some of these objects seem to you know, be generated from like I
don't know exactly out of the lake or just over the lake or what.
But anyway, check out the video on that. It's a great uh.
Like I said, it's about three minutes and forty seconds, but it's a
great video. And you know, right over Lake Erie a number of shots
of different formations and lights in the sky and objects moving toward each other and
stuff. Check it out. Yeah, I think there's a few that are
interesting, but to me because I'm familiar with a lot of these cases too.
A lot of these are some are birds, some are aircraft. The
Lake Eerie ones I think are all mostly, if not completely aircraft often the
distance. You know, researchers have already looked at these. A lot of
these are reflections. And there's another story I have listed here. Of course,
everybody can find these headlines at Openminds dot tv. And you had looked
at this one too. This I think this was a yeah, flying Sauster
UFO filmed in Glasgow City Center. Terrible video, but because what happens and
this is this confuses people a lot, but it's it's demonstrated very well in
this this video on the Daily Record, which is another link I have there
because I'm mostly linking I want people to know what's going on in the mainstream
media. What is the mainstream media covering on UFOs And a lot of times
they're covering things that you know, they're not as as savvy about, you
know, really analyzing. So you see this light flickering, very bright light.
And every time the bright light lights up, you see this this what
appears to be an object on the other side of the screen in the picture.
But what that is is it's a reflection. It's exact time too,
yeah, exact timing, so it's obvious. But a lot of these pictures
in this video from the Ohio Northeast Ohio are the same thing. A lot
of these you see, like, you know, these really bright objects just
off screen or just barely there or you know, in on the screen.
And what happens when your camera and you can do this at night, and
this happens so much, is if you try to film a bright light,
it's going to have a reflection in your camera. And if you move your
camera around and the bright light moves around, and that light's gonna appear to
move around the other thing that happens because I remember this case too. There's
a case where there is a and this happens a lot of over the Luxor
in Las Vegas because it has a bright light shooting straight up and there are
some skyscrapers that do that. They're really lit. So whenever a bird flies
in the area, it looks weird because it gets really lit up by these
bright lights. And another of those images I'm certain is that I remember that
case. So a lot of these are mistaken identity. Not all I don't
think are resolved cases as far as I know, but the vast majority are.
And I know a lot of the lake Erie people get frustrated when I
say this because a lot of things people say, oh, there's a mystery
going on there. But you know, there's a lot of really good researchers
have carefully looked at all of that, and because they are old cases and
you can find them in open minds if you go look back in the records
there. So Dale harder from that investigation. Are you familiar with his workers?
I mean it sounds like he's been looking into what they had in that
clip. Yeah, in the uh is that the lake Erie one? Yes,
I would have to go back and look. But yeah, at least
so far, I personally have not seen it convincing. Lake erie one that
hasn't been explained by people who are much more capable at video analysis than I
am, Like are good buddy Mark D'Antonio, who does analysis for mofon.
In fact, he was very involved with looking at these videos back in the
day when they started coming around. And a dream crusher he is, and
he's one of the guys that crushed my dreams with this story actually. But
yeah, let's get into more stories, because I wanted to try to at
least talk about all the stories we have on here, and there's quite a
few. You had mentioned this other one I typically do not link to.
I linked to mainstream news, and I try not to link to the tabloids,
especially the UK tabloids, because they have a lot of craziness, you
know, like bat Baby and all that kind of thing, and they're going
crazy with all kinds of alien stuff. But Nick Pope will sometimes contribute or
talk to the tabloids, and I do as well sometimes, but Nick Pope
always does a good job when they're interviewing him. And of course he worked
for the MOD the Ministry of Defense investigating UFOs for a period of time.
Well, he was inspired by the Navy recently saying that they're going to come
up with the UFO protocol to actually write up some protocols and tell the MOD,
Hey, we need to do the same thing. You really need to
take this seriously in a public manner like you used to, because up until
two thousand and eight they did, and he wrote up some protocols he feels
that they need to adopt. So, and this was written up in a
story in the Metro. Ministry of Defense urged to reopen x files and take
UFO siting seriously. And who's urging them Nick Pope? Nick Pope. So
you could see his list here of his ideas about what they should do.
But essentially it's just taking them seriously. So that's really cool. I hope
he gets somewhere with that. Some people have asked, well, what's the
big deal with Nick Bope? Boy, does he think he's going to have
some pool what he does? He actually does some media consulting with the MOD
when they do UFO stories. He still has connections in the government. So
yeah, if anybody's going to do it, you know, he's someone that
does have some pool with the ver over there still to make that happen.
I was going to ask you if they would take him seriously. I know,
you know, I think so, hmm, that's good. Yeah,
he's given it an effort, and I don't know, you know, it
says a letter he wrote. You know, this is a so I'm sure
he's actually addressed it directly to them. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So.
A couple other stories that I linked to were related to the Navy thing.
Of course the Navy. I didn't link to these stories because we had
a bunch of those last week where the Navy was saying we're not going to
share information. But again, an update and it is our Open Minds exclusive
where Lou did tell me that and we'll interview him about this, but that
it's not true that you know, to the stars. We've heard this from
Chris Mellen and Tom DeLong, and I've heard it from Lou. They all
had an integral part in getting the Navy to do this, to take these
seriously, and so they do have some links to the background. And Lou
says the Navy is going to share raw data that is going to be classified
with their leadership and with Congress, and then that will all be synthesized into
a public release, so they will release publicly some public information about what they're
getting there on a regular basis. So we it's pretty amazing, really,
exactly, it is amazing. So I know we're going to get regular updates
on UFOs from the Navy. How crazy is that? Yeah? I think
I think it's a you know, I mean, people always ask I'm sure
they ask you to when about disclosure, and I think, you know,
I mean, maybe it's a different word, or it's not really disclosure,
but it's there's some type of forward movement for sure. Definitely, yeah,
exactly, definitely, you know, And and I do want to speak to
this and you can chime into of course, there's a lot of people.
One of the reasons I did last week that timeline is so people can understand
the background to all of this. And I did post recently my a transcript
to my Eric Davis interview and also a transcript with my interview with Leslie Kane
right after the New York Times article about the Pentagon project came out back in
December twenty seventeen. My interview is in January twenty eighteen. Leslie Kane was
one of the authors, but she's one of the people who made that article
happen. She was one of the driving forces to get that information out Eric
Davis, as we heard in our interview with one of the people working on
this project, He's been working towards all of this, as we heard from
him, for many, many years. And I've asked all of these people,
do you feel like you know you were there was some other secretive organization
that is prompting this information to come out. They've all said no, And
people get really upset when I post that, and I post that, Look,
I just do not see any evidence thus far for this disclosure conspiracy that
we hear so much of the UFO community talking about. There are UFO guys
doing lectures about this. What's surprising is, especially when I talk to Leslie
about it, she's shocked, and you can hear this. We talk about
this in that interview. Why are all these people making this stuff up without
even talking to her about it? And so I've talked to all of them
and I just don't see it. What we see are the efforts of people
like lou Tom DeLong Leslie Kine, Eric Davis, Bob Bigelow for years working
towards legitimizing this topic and now being met with success. So when people are
saying, oh, the media is controlled, and you know the media planted
these stories, the media didn't plant these stories, we can hear from Leslie
Kane. She made that happen all on her own. She's got an entire
history of being involved with this field. So I just think, you know,
we need to give credit where credit's due. And maybe it's frustrated,
maybe you want to see some sort of cabal or you want to believe like
the X Files poster. But what we have to do is follow the data
and the facts, and the data and the facts at least thus far,
and not you know, shit proving that to be the case or showing that.
So you could go read those. But here's what also is around the
story that is really cool is that you do have some other things happening.
So the next two links that I have are from We Are the Mighty,
which is a military website, and they're writing about the title is UFOs Aliens
and the Navy, Oh my, but they don't make fun of it in
the story they're like, Wow, you know, UFOs are finally being taken
seriously by the military. The next story I posted is from the Saint Louis
Post Dispatch. We posted a story from them last week. But this is
a letter from a reader and it's titled reporting of UFOs is serious science fiction.
Essentially, this reader is saying, hey, way to go, Saint
Louis Post Dispatch for taking this seriously, because this is a serious topic,
and you know, most people make fun of it, and it's cool that
you're taking it seriously. Yeah, I've read that. That's really good.
That was a good one. So other stories out there. There's an article
that I posted from The Breeze and it turns out it is written by a
student. And again, you know, I'm posting mainstream headlines and so we
can see what the mainstream says about all this stuff. But this was not
a very well researched article. It's called factor Fiction Area fifty one, and
it's talking about Area fifty one, but it talks about how the Pentagon.
You know, the New York Times have verified that UFO research is going on
at Area fifty one. No, that's not true at all. The Pentagon
is not an Area fifty one. The research was going on at the Pentagon,
not Area fifty one. Interesting enough, though, And I want to
know if you ever talked to Chris Mellan about this. Chris Mellan has talked
about actually visiting Area fifty one. Yeah, yes, he did talk about
that when on the interview I had with him. Do you remember pretty sure?
I think he said there was Basically he was saying there was nothing too.
Now this is going back I think a couple of years I interviewed him,
but I think he was basically saying there was really nothing to or he
did ask someone there's really nothing to any of the crash, you know,
saucers being there or alien bodies and all that. I don't know if that's
the exact question. I'm just paraphrasing what I remember, but I really you
know, i'd have to re listen actually to understand. But I do remember
him talking about Area fifty one, right, Yeah, because he's been there.
Steve Justice, of course, who's in the program unidentified in one of
the TTSA members, worked for skunk Work, so of course he's been there.
But then again, Eric Davis, I don't know if he's been there.
I think maybe he said he had. But what's interesting is some people
might say, wait, Eric Davis said there are crash retrieval programs. But
remember what he said is he heard from someone who heard from someone, So
he didn't say he knows directly, Lee. And this does get to something
else because people have called us out, but you know, not all of
the two of the stars people have the same opinion about stuff. Obviously Tom
has some more wild ideas than a lot of the other guys. So otherwise,
there are some really cool historical stories here. There's a story about Tom
DeLong and what he's up to. So lots of great headlines. But we're
already out of time, buddy, aren't we. Wow? That went fast?
It does? It always flies, doesn't it? Yes? It does.
Well. Thank you mister Martin willis a podcast UFO for joining us with
the news. No, you're very welcome as always, So let's go ahead
and talk to our guests this week, Kevin Day. That'll come out right
after the break, So stay tuned. You're listening to Open Minds UFO Radio.
I am very happy to welcome to the show Kevin Day. Hello,
Kevin, how are you? Hello? There? Alejandra, how are you.
I'm doing pretty good, good, good good. I'm so happy to
have you on And in fact, you know, I interview a lot of
the people around it, but you're the first actual witness that I've talked to
you. I'm honored, honored to speak with you today. Well, I
am honored to speak with you as well. So I guess to start off,
maybe we'll just start off getting back to you know, the situation back
in two thousand and four, and so at the time, you were a
radar operator on the Princeton. Correct, that's correct. My actual job title
was operation specialist and I was a senior chie petty officer at the time.
And how long have you been doing that? On the day of the fourteenth,
November fourteen, two thousand and four, I had a little over eighteen
years of actual sea time on Spy one equipment ships. Wow, there's a
lot of sea time. Eighteen years at radars that whole time. Yes,
they're at radars that whole time, radar interpretations now, just so the audience
understands completely, my job was basically on aboard the ship in combat information center
where the guys that control the radars and if need be, you know,
where the guys that shoot the missiles and guns and control aircraft for submarines basically
track everything that flies, floats and swims through the water mm hm. And
how the equipment that you have is like very stated art right, I would
imagine, is it updated on a regular basis? Absolutely? The SPY one
radar system is a phase de ray system. It looks in all directions at
once, and there's you know, as technology progresses, of course there's been
upgrades over the years, and it's an extremely capable radar system mm hmm.
And then so on that period of time. How unique was this particular training
exercise, you know, how odd was it that you started getting strange you
know returns. We were off the coast of San Diego about ninety miles to
the southwest, and our strike group was out there or trying to get you
know, get together out there because we had received orders to deplay a little
bit early, because of course the war was still going on, and it
was right around the tenth of November or so two thousand and four as started
to notice these really odd contexts right off the coast of Catalina Island end up
in the channel Islands area off the LA And the reason why I say they
were strange because they appeared in groups of about five to ten at a time,
and oddly they were about twenty eight They were twenty eight thousand feet in
tracking due south at about one hundred knots, which is really weird because something
that high in the sky would fall out of the sky going that slow normally.
I wasn't really concerned about him, and no one on the watch team
was concerned about him, because you know, there's hundreds of air contacts off
the coast, and these were still well away from us, and they were
benign and their behavior and represented absolutely no threat to the strike group at all.
And the only reason why I became concerned about him in the end on
the fourteenth was because we're getting ready to conduct an air defense exercise and there
was a really good chance that these objects were going to end up in the
airspace we were getting ready to do the exercise in And so when CAPS fifth
came down to combat c See and I approached him, I said, you
know what, sir, we've been watching these contacts or I don't. There're
not any threat that I can tell, But I am concerned about safety of
flight, I think I highly recommend we go up intercept one of these things
and just see what they are. Because if we don't, and we launch
all the aircraft off the minutes uss minutes and there's an error incident, someone's
going to ask why the hell we were so incurious about it? And he
said, you know, you're right, so your jeep go ahead and intercept
it. So that's interesting that so you prompted that. Otherwise they might not
have paid attention exactly. As a matter of fact, if there had been
no air defense exercise scheduled for that morning, this whole thing probably would have
never happened, at least by US. Uh huh, So what is the
threat? Right exactly? So what is a protocol when you notice something that's
odd but it isn't a threat, just to kind of ignore it, or
do you at least log it? Yeah, we track and report it.
It's all recorded to it's all recorded by our computer systems and such. And
again just so you know, all hunter, there's you know, when you're
off the coast of a major country like ours, there's there's literally hundreds of
their contacts right off the coast, or you know directly over land. Uh
huh. So it's not necessarily something too strange. It's just something you don't
investigate unless you have to correct, unless it's represent some kind of And when
I say the word threat, doesn't I don't mean they're hostile, but it
could be like an air navigation type of threat as well, just you know,
hitting something by accident. Right, So unless it becomes unless it becomes
a reason why I need to intercept it. All this track and reported to
leave it alone. Non provocative, nonaggressive type of policy. So up until
the fourteenth, you've tracked them from the tenth to fourteenth, but the fourteenth
was when you actually needed to check it out, that's correct. And if
I if I added up all the contacts and came up with a total number
over that week, it was right around one hundred contracts that we encountered,
not just one, It was you know, right around one hundred of them.
Were they of concern to you? I mean, were they Did they
stand out as particularly strange? Absolutely? You know, I had eighteen years
eat time myself sitting at that spy radar, and everyone in combat had similar
experiences. And our entire job is to id stuff especially on the air side
of combat. We get something on radar, our entire purpose at that point
is to identify it and determine whether it's a threat or not. None,
none of us felt that it was a threat, a traditional type of a
threat, because they were there, were benign in their behavior, and they
represented no threat to us. Now, some people have speculated that, you
know, you're an in an area where training is conducted, that it could
have been, you know, some top secret training going on of like missiles
was one of the things. I'm sure you've heard this. Uh. The
issue with that is, you know, is that something you run across do
you ever run across an unknown you know, a test being done by the
United States that you're not made aware of prior? Do you never? Never?
In fact, in fact, that would be a violation of every training
protocol that's ever been written by the military. Because if I've got an exercise
scheduled in an exercise area and someone comes on top of me and puts another
exercise on top of that that I didn't know about, You tell me,
could that lead to some maybe lead to some problems? Of course, you
know, I mean, right, the incidents related to it and that's just
not that's just not what happens. Yeah, it's as a matter of fact,
doesn't go ahead. No, I was going to say, Yeah,
and the surface that that seems that that would be extremely dangerous and unwise,
would be putting not only human lives at risk, but also you know,
the very devices that they're testing. So that doesn't seem to make a lot
of sense. But you know, there's been a lot of and I'm sure
you've heard it, speculation along those lines. Yeah, And I'm not saying
it's impossible. I'm just saying, if it turns out to be true,
number one, I'm gonna be pretty upset about it because it was a violation
of every training protocol in that case, especially when assuming that's all true,
and assuming that they also know that encounters with objects UAP type objects it affects
people. So for them to purposely do that it would have been extremely unwise.
To say the least about it. Now, the biggest Yeah, and
you know it elucidates the question. Okay, then, Kevin, what was
it? You know what? My answer to that is, I have to
tell you that I don't know what it was. To this day, I
don't know what it was, But I do know what it wasn't I know
because I was trained to figure out what it was. And part of the
way you do that is to determine what it is, and we did that,
and to this day there is still no idea on those objects that I
know about well. And along those lines, you know, there were people
saying that a missile was being tested. I think they even say it was
a supersonic or hypersonic missile. Have you, in your opinion, did those
returns you know up here look like what a missile like that would look like
at all? In no way, shape or form, I mean a missile
presumably you're talking about one missile. I know we've we had, you know,
right around one hundred contexts and just a flight there's just a flight profile
alone. There's no way it did it was a missile, right because one
of the things you said you noted and and you know in the incident you
talked about earlier on how you noted them going very slow. Anything going that
slow would fall out of the sky. Uh. You also had said at
times that you saw them hover, and of course miss stiles don't really hover
or fly slowly. No, they don't not real well so so yeah,
so you have this mystery. On the fourteenth you you talked to the captain.
They scramble, or at least they didn't scramble. I guess they You
had you all zero in some of the guys to go take a look.
Yeah, we were getting ready to getting ready for the start of the Air
Defense Exercise. We call it an ad X. And so the the nime
it started, USS NIMA started launching aircraft and you know, aircraft's coming up.
They're doing their functional flight checks to make sure all their systems are up
and operating. And the AdEx was scheduled to start, you know, in
a just a short time later, and it just happened to be Fastigal flight
that came up first, and it was Commander Fraverer and his wingman, and
that just happened to be the aircraft that I took control of, and I
just vectored him to the closest object in the sky, and that's when it
all happened. It was pretty boring intercept. Actually, he went about thirty
miles to get in the same piece of sky as it and as soon as
he got to ther merge plot position, which basically is two objects in the
sky and the same vertical piece of sky. And when I look at that,
well, when I look at that presentation on my two dimensional presentation,
now it looks like one object. They merged together. Well, as soon
as he got to that point, we had his colms and external calms in
the overhead speaker and combat. All of a sudden we hear, oh my
god, oh my god, I'm engaged. I'm engauged, just poping his
pants. Basically like total total shot, total shot. And on radar,
I watched this object. It went from twenty eight thousand feet down to the
surface of the ocean. I found out the very next day it was in
zero point seven eight seconds, less than a second, and made that transition
no sonic booms. So he know, he's very curious now, so of
course he leaves. He leaves us winging up at altitude, and he wants
to go down and take a look at it. So he goes. He
follows it down, and the thing reacts to him, the avoids him,
and he goes straight back up into the sky twenty eight thousand feet and continues
tracking south at one hundred knots as if nothing interesting had happened, you know,
it kind of it kind of it kind of reacted like it just wanted
to be left the hell alone. Oh gotcha. Yeah, yeah, it's
like here, I almost like almost like a flock of birds would react.
And then the reason why I say flock of birds because there was other aircraft
that had been launching off the carrier. But then and we share all of
our radar data on data links, and so now all the other air crews
are seeing these contacts on the data links, and next thing I know,
I've got a whole bunch of intercepts happening in the sky above us. And
at one pot, at one point, Alejandro, this actually appeared to me
it was actually raining UFOs. These things were dropping out of the sky,
all down to fifty feet or so. When was this? As soon as
the air crews say again, please, when was that? That's on the
fourteenth, it says there was more than one intercept conducted. It wasn't just
Commander fair there was other intercepts as well. As a matter of fact that
at Flair video that's pretty pretty same as Commander Favor didn't actually is not the
one that filmed that was it was a follow on intercept that happened. You
know, it was actually it was raining UFOs and every one of these things.
As soon as the air crews went back up to altitude, these objects
all went back up into the sky twenty eight thousand feet, continued tracking SOLF
at one hundred knots. It was extremely bizarre how many intercepts were there.
That's a good question, and I'm hoping to radar data still exist somewhere so
we can finally answer that question. I was actually I was a supervisor for
the Commander Frevor intercept. As a matter of facts. Strangely enough, it
was my very last intercept in the Navy. Oh wow. Also my very
last also my very last under underway in the Navy. I was getting ready
to retire. Oh wow. But there was probably answer the question. It's
probably between five and eight intercepts that happened total that day. Wow. And
in each of those there is a pilot and what their navigator in the plane.
So you're talking about at least ten individuals. Would that be true?
That that would be a good number. You got the pilot and then you
got the whizzo, the weapon system operator in the back. He's actually controlling
the radars and the weapons. So two people per super Hornet, so multiplay
by five, you know, five aircraft at a minimum, so that's ten
people plus we had airborne E two Hawkeye that also saw the objects visually.
The flight crew on the Hawkeye saw it as well, saw them as well.
So essentially, I mean we've only heard we haven't even heard half the
story yet. I mean, we've heard from FRAVERR that's true, some of
the other witnesses, but we haven't heard from all the pilots and details on
all the intercepts. That's very true. There's a much larger story here that's
still coming out now. To give a shout out to day, I have
to give a shout out to Dave Baty on that one because of his film
called The Nimus Encounters on the YouTube. Slowly but surely, almost almost every
week now, more and more people are starting to come out. Yeah.
Yeah, and Dave, his video is incredible. It's so well done.
I mean, when you watch that video, do you feel that at the
accuracy is it's pretty right on? Yeah, it is. It's extremely well
done. In fact, I helped him as a subject matter expert during the
development of it terms of some of the calms and the the way see I
see operation, the way that we conduct UHTRA group STRAT group air defense procedures.
Mm hmmm. It's extremely well done video. As a matter of fact,
if you go to YouTube right now, you won't find it because what
do well, due to some legal challenges, he removed it off YouTube and
he's updating it and when he puts it back up there, it's gonna be
about three times as long as it was, and it's now going to include
interviews of some of the witnesses, including myself. Oh great, So it'll
just be better than ever. It's gonna be better than ever. Yeah,
And he's he's gonna just so you know, he's gonna be timing the the
update of that video with the History Channel program coming out on May thirty first
called Unidentified Great, which I'm also which I'm also in. M hm.
That's really good news. That's really smart of him too, because I think
that that show is going to generate a tremendous amount of interest. Personally,
I do too. So with what do you think in this situation, like
seeing Dave's film and everything, what inspires people to come forward? I think,
you know, I can't really answer that question for everyone else, but
I can tell you what happened to me. I was. I was down
at the golf course just over a year ago now, or a local golf
course, and I've been volunteering down there for some time, about four years,
trying to save it from bankruptcy. I was down there. I was.
I just helped open reopen the kitchen and restaurant. And I was down
there waiting tables for free. And for whatever reason, we had CNN on
the TV, normally the golf channels on, and all of a sudden,
I see this video, the famous app Firbody, and I actually dropped the
full plate of food I was, and I was dumbfounded. I said,
oh my god, I know that video. Yeah, really shook me.
Uh huh. And so when you saw that video? What when you saw
the video did you also? I instantly knew what I had to do.
I knew instantly that I had to come out and support Commander Freighter. That
was my intercept, right, amazing. So getting back to that intercept,
or at least that day, you know you heard that excitement in Fraver's voice.
You said when he said you know he was engaged with it. Was
that a unique experience? I mean, do you do you ever hear it?
Sounds like you're familiar with fravor? But is it? Is it often
you hear pilots get excited like that over something like this. No, no,
no, no no. It's usually more protocol based than Thomas burdvity based.
You could you could hear the true astonishment in his voice in shock mm
hmm. Now there's another Flare video out there. You've probably in that group
that was released in the three and the pilots are kind of cussing, they're
really excited, you know, they're able to track the object again like woo,
yeah, the gimbal video that was on the coast of Virginia I believe
in twenty fifteen. Now you know what, Apparently this has been happening for
quite a while. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I've been in this
for a while. In fact, you know, I argue that not just
our government, but that other governments. This is the most common sort of
occurrence is when there are these objects seen typically on radar jets, scrambled,
they kind of have a cat and mouse sort of thing, and then the
things take off at incredible speed. And that's it. And I mean we've
seen this, There's plenty of blue book files on this. Chile has talked
about this, many other countries have had these similar experiences for many years.
Yeah, and that was actually part of my concern, in part of the
reason. And I knew when I saw this thing on CNN, I knew
instantly what I had to do. And I knew instantly what my concerns were
too, because I don't think these things are a threat in the traditional in
the traditional way. But let's imagine that what happened to us out there,
Let's just imagine that same scenario happened off the coast of Iran, for example,
when I really did have missiles on the rails. You know, it
could have turned out a lot differently than it did that day, just out
of accident, just you know, starting a word, just from an accident
or a misinterpretation of the radar or misinterpretation of the objects intent. Right,
That's that, that's the threat right there. Yeah, you know, is
it's an asymmetric type of threat. It's not a it's not a direct if
they wanted to kill us, if they wanted to harmssy sure could have.
I'll tell you that there is nothing I could have done it. There's nothing
I could have done about it, right, Shoot the missile at the wouldn't
have done any good. Yeah. And it's interesting you say this because there
have been other radar operators and others in the military have said the same thing
over the years too, is that you know, that's why we need to
pay attention to this because for the exact same reasons you're talking about now.
Yeah, And that was that has been part of my motivation over the last
years. We were trying to and we were successful obviously, just a groundswell
of support of people like myself and the statistic thing's been worked pretty hard behind
the scenes by a bunch of us, and we were trying to get where.
Our goal was to go to Congress and convince the Navy to change the
policy. But I never had to go. It's apparently to the Star's Academy
orchestrated all of that. And although I do feel vindicated that it's happened,
because that was my goal too. I wanted the Navy to acknowledge the existence
of UAP, to just confirm the fact that they're out there, and as
you've seen, they didn't have to disclose anything by doing that. They all
they did is can acknowledge the fact that they're there. Right, That's that
was my goal. Now it's real, So yeah, it's it's happening.
And Fraver said he saw was you know tik tak shape. And the other
witnesses, you know, along with that encounter that you were involved with,
and these other incidents where there were other intercepts, were there other witnesses who
described a similar object. Oh? Absolutely, on the Nimits event, you
know, all the all the pilots described, the pilots that did see him,
all, as far as I know, I've all described it the same
way. And in fact, when we got back to got back to San
Diego, uh, shortly after we were done at Cither, we had a
little symposium there Naval thirty second Street Naval Station, and I talked to Commander
Fravor and that's the first time I heard the word tik tak He that's even
back in two thousand and four. That's how he was describing those objects.
He said, Well, he said, see, your chief look just like
a giant tic tac. No doors, no windows, no airfoils, no
exhaust, just you can imagine a giant white tic TACs exactly what it looked
like. Wow. Yeah, that's so incredible. Now, I guess we're
almost out of time for this first segment. So what we'll do is let's
go ahead and we'll go to break, and then we'll come back and we'll
talk some more about this. But yeah, the time flies, because I
do want to talk more about you know how important this is, that the
Navy's acknowledging that this is real and kind of like you said, you said
you felt vindicated. Okay, Yeah, so we'll talk about that in just
a second. So those of you listening on a radio station, you're going
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you'll hear a short musical interlude, and then we will be back with this
great interview. I'm having such a fun time talking to Kevin Day here,
one of the witnesses at the two thousand and four Nimitz encounter, which,
as he mentioned, will be featured on this unidentified television show on the History
Channel. And I've seen at least the first episode and it is really really
good. I really liked it. I think it's going to be really shocking
to people to see the credibility. There's no television show that is brought together
this level of credible people to talk about this topic. So it's really exciting.
So we'll be back in just a second. Hanging tight. Welcome back
to Open Mind, GUFO Radio. This is your host Alejandro Rojas and we're
here with Kevin Day. So, Kevin, you know one of the things
in the leaked Nimits report that had come out. I'm assuming you've seen that
report George Knapp had leaked at George Nap. Yeah, George Knapp made us
all aware of it. And what do you think? Does that look accurate?
Does that look like a real document to you? Some people have questioned
whether or not it was real or not. It's definitely captured. What happened
that the origin of it and some of the folks portrayed in it have yet
to be identified, gotcha, because you know some of the some of the
names were redacted. So I just blacked out in it. But do you
question whether or not it's it's fake or not? It didn't. It didn't
appear to me to be fake. Okay, but I actually don't know.
Okay, one of the sections. You know, the thing, the weird
thing about it, Elejandro, is you know, after this happened, there's
have since learned that apparently some of the crew members on both the Princeton and
the ymits had to sign non disclosure agreements and some people were told not to
talk about this. But I never had to sign anything, and I was
never told not to talk about anything. So the fact that there was a
paper done on it kind of surprised me. Right, that was probably the
surprising part on it. I just had figured it was forgotten about. Now.
One of the things that that document describes is a level of ridicule.
You know that there were some guys, you know, wearing some aluminum hats,
you know, who debriefed the pilots and and it really concerned the pilots
and others. You know that that there were people were making fun of it.
Did you see that? Did that really happen? Did you recognize that
I know for a fact it happened over on the US's mimics, but that
did not happen on the Princeton. That no one was clowning us because people
were people were up watching these objects on through the big eyed binoculars, and
the people who did have access to CSE Combent Information Center they actually saw them
with their own eyes. So there wasn't the level of ridicule that was or
any really that all happened on the mimics, which is, you know,
there's there's what five thousand people on that on that on that ship, and
not everyone has access to what's happening, so they just, for whatever reason,
they started playing reruns of X Files and uh, all the old UFO
movies that have come out over time. And yeah, they a lot of
ridicule, which is part of the reason why the Navy changes policy, I'm
sure right exactly. And that's kind of what I'm getting at, is that,
you know, the Navy kind of it seems, and I'd love to
hear your opinion by the Navy not acknowledging the phenomena at least that the you
know, the higher ups of taking it seriously. That kind of lends to
people feeling sort of strange about it. And I guess the one reaction is
when people are uncomfortable is to make fun of something h and hopefully then these
new protocols will keep that from happening. I believe it. I believe it
will I believe it. I believe that's exactly what happened, and hopefully the
new protocols will actually prevent a major accident from happening. I mean, there
was an article in the paper just today about the British believe in the with
this current tensions in Iran, that's happening. M h. We just we
just sent the Abraham Lincolnstract group over there. They're concerned just from sheer accident,
could war could be started that no one really wants. And that's why
that's one of the reasons why I was happy the Navy changer policy, because
maybe it will prevent that from ever happening. In terms of the airspace that
also contained you, aps H, how did you feel like being a part
of this? Did you ever well, I guess you retired soon after.
But did you ever feel embarrassed or made fun of her? Did you feel
not supported by the Navy when this all occurred? No, not by the
Navy. You know, I transferred to Naval Airpack right across the bay there
in San Diego, over in Cornado Island, and I did two years there,
and you know, I tried to talk to people about this and tell
people about it, but at the time, no one really I got the
sense no one really believed me. And you know, how could they really,
you know, they weren't there, they didn't see it. So I
went ahead and retired, and it I started having these really disturbing dreams all
of a sudden, out of the bluetoo like estetological type dreams, like end
of the world type disaster dreams. Really now, the dreams themselves didn't The
dreams themselves didn't really bug me. Everyone has nightmares, but remember of the
next day did because it started to create a lot of anxiety. I started
to experience acute anxiety, and I was, you know, this whole time,
I was still attempting to tell you know, like close friends and family
members about what happened. So out of frustration, mostly I sat down and
I wrote a I wrote a story about it, I called I called the
Seer, not the Seer, but the Seer. And I wrote a couple
other short stories and I put them together into a book called Sailor's Anthology,
and I published it in the Library of Congress. And my idea at the
time was, hey, I'm going to publish this an account, a fictionalized
account of what happened, just in case this ever becomes public, that my
care can provide some contemporaneous evidence that this really did, indeed happened. And
you know what, Eljandro, that's exactly what's happened. Yeah, my book
is now considered evidence. And how do people get that? Is that book
publicly available? Yeah? You can google Sailor's Anthology Book one and it's right
there. I forget the name of the hosting company, but you can download
it for free. I'll also send you a copy of it and you can
post it. Okay, great, thank you. Yeah, because the pdf
pdf pdf form okay great. Yeah, I found it here, which is
really cool. So that's such a great service for you. I mean,
I would even say you might want to get printed and tell them just so
you can. On that note, I'm on that note, I'm actually writing
a new book kind of gets into my career, my career in the tik
Tak encounter from A to Z and also the effects this thing has had me
personally post encounter. It's all going to be in my new book. Yeah,
I've been working on it for a while. Well, that's really cool.
There's a there's a much larger story here than people who have heard so
far. So and what do you feel that that larger story kind of entails
how it's affected everyone? H I have to I have to presume I wasn't
the only one affected by this that was there and witnessed it, you know.
And then this this whole thing is that what we're talking about now is
all has been known for some time. Jacques of Vale and doctor Eric Davis,
they did a paper some time ago, if forgot the year they did
it, that is called the Incommensurability of High Strangeness. And basically what that
paper does, it's a it's a basically a blueprint for conducting filled research on
and the only air phenomenon uf UFOs. And part of the part of the
effects on humans that's been noted for decades now is there's physiological effects on people
and there's also mental effects on people just from just from encountering these things.
And that's an interesting I mean for you, for instance, I know when
I kind of way back in the day, kind of really I don't even
know what it was, but I do remember the feeling of where when I
really kind of surrendered to the idea that there could be something out there we
don't know what it is coming here. And it was impactful. I could
change. I could almost feel my brain bending, you know, and changes
going on in my thought processes. Is is that kind of how you felt?
Did it change your worldview? Yeah? And you know when I retired
in two thousand and eight and I started to I got a really good job
with a defense contractor, but I started having personal problems in my life,
started with the dreams, and just one thing led to another. Of my
work started to suffer. But for me, I never related it back to
the Tic Tac incident at all. I thought I was just having trouble transitioning
back into becoming a civilian and maybe I was having some type of psychosis or
maybe even PTSD. And that's actually when I actually did go to the VA.
That's what I was diagnosed with. They call it a complex case of
PTSD. In fact I did. I didn't even suspect it. My issues
were in the changes in me physically and mentally, which were quite profound.
I didn't relate it back to the tic Tac incident until I was visited in
twenty fifteen by a couple of spooks at my house that left me enough hints
which were later confirmed by Louelle. Was onto the last summer that Yeah,
they came to see you, Kevin, because of the tic TAC and they
were trying to determine whether or not you were still saying you guys didn't laugh.
And because one of the things that shock was one of the guy's names.
He told me, say Kevin, right before he left, he'd say,
Kevin, you are incredibly important to what's about to happen. And that's
the last thing he ever said to me. And he was right. But
you know, I wasn't this None of this made sense until some time later,
and only just in the last year I was able to figure this all
out, much to my relief, by the way, because maybe I'm not
crazy after all, right, entirely normal in fact, Yeah, in fact
it could be. Uh, you know, in a way, you're just
ahead of the curve. You are more aware of kind of our state of
reality than others. Yeah. I don't think it was an accident that this
thing happened. When and how it did, these things were whatever this phenomenon
is, Alejandro, not only is it real? But there these objects are
also aware, they are intelligent, and they seem to be prescient as well.
One of the things that happened during Commander Favor's intercept is we have a
point in the sky that's called a combat Air Patrol station and basically it's just
a loiter point in the sky for air crews until we give them a vector
to go look at something. It just kind of hang out in that spot
right. Well, this object, it was about forty miles away or so,
and this object disappeared right in front of him and instantly reappeared at his
CAP station. Now, how on the hell did that thing know where his
CAP station was? It's a classified point in this guy that no one knows
about. Had they already been at the cap or were they going there later?
They hadn't been there yet hmmm, No, because we took them.
They were just do south the terrier and I vected them about forty miles away
to the object, and they hadn't They hadn't gone to their CAP station yet.
Mm hmm. In fact, no one had. This object was the
first one to go there. Who knows where the CAP is? Do they
have it plugged? Into their systems at all at that point. Yeah,
yeah, it's all It's in their displays on board aircraft. And also it's
in our message traffic. When we do a big exercise, will of course
publish a message in all those points will be listed in the message traffic,
which is secret message traffic. M hm. So presumably if these objects had
access to our secret message traffic, they would have known where it was,
right, So that's one of the places they could have somehow access to know
that. But it is I mean, out of all the places in the
you know over where you are a coincidental there could be a lot more prosaic
explanation other than their oppressing it. I acknowledged that although but the yards are
pretty pretty, you know that of all places that this thing would decide to
kind of go zoom over to that it would be a significant location that you
know that these guys are. Yeah, it's kind of there. If they
were trying to send a message, they accomplished it. Yeah, really interesting.
So with Lou Alizondo and I bring this up just because there are you
know, not really by mainstream that I've seen so much, but by others,
and I'm sure others you've talked to as well, people questioning whether he
really did investigate UFOs with the Pentagon. Do you have any question, I
am, Do you have any suspicions? Absolutely zero. I've met both lou
Arizona and Tom DeLong. They came to my house last summer now, and
I found them both to be entirely credible and incredibly sincere and extremely dedicated to
what they were trying to do. H right, you can count me a
fan, definitely, mm hmmm. Yeah. I think that's one of the
things. It's what and it's it's good to have some healthy skepticism. Uh,
but at some point, you know, you do have to let the
data lead you in the direction. And uh, you know, meeting these
guys in their enthusiasm is what's really exciting too. Yeah, and you know,
skepticism is fine, but if you if you're skeptical to the up to
the point of being obtuse, then you've taken it too far. Right,
right, that's a very good way to put it. I think. So,
how when you first saw this announcement from the Navy, how did it
make you feel? Just? What was It's only been a week or two.
I'm pretty emotional kind of guy. I actually started crying. I could
see it. I mean I could. To me, if I were one
of you, all the witnesses, doubt, to me would be a very
impactful moment, just because oh yeah, oh yeah, you know, because
you know, my whole family is, my whole family is watching me go
through these changes. My old colleagues, my old friends are like, what
the hell happened to Kevin Well? As an indicated Now, yeah exactly.
I mean, did you share these stories before? I tried to? You
know, I tried to, but you know, who's really going to listen
to you? Yeah, Kevin? You intercepted the UFO. Sure, you
know, right. They wouldn't say that necessarily, but I could. I
could read it in their eyes and their mannerisms, and I didn't really blame
them, right, Yeah, I hear you. I mean it's a hard
thing. It's a heart it's a hard thing to believe, you know,
Yeah, it really is. And I think people just don't know how to
react, yeah, or they don't know how, they don't know what to
say, how to react and had a head full of questions of it,
you know. Yeah, so, and I'm sure you have a lot of
pride for your career in the Navy, and that you think you know that
you are proud of your affiliation with the Navy. Uh So, an acknowledgment
from the Navy that you're not crazy. You experienced something that's that's really genuinely
strange that we can't figure out must be really important. Yeah, it was
a goal I was after. It's it's been accomplished. Mm hmmm. Yeah,
and that's next for us For me, I don't know, but you
know, And as a matter of fact, I have to say this,
if this is my fifteen minutes of fame, I'm happy with that. I
could easily I could easily fade away and go back to my quiet life.
It wouldn't bother me at all. Uh huh. Yeah, you've had your
accomplish your goal. It's just an acknowledgment that you know, Yeah, you're
not crazy, that this is something that happened. I mean, you think
about it in terms of, you know, there's a huge difference between confirmation
and disclosure, huge difference. Describe those differences in your mind. Well,
and I'll put it this way, in terms of that we confirmed the existence
of nuclear weapons, but we can't confirm nor to deny that we have any
that would be disclosure. Gotcha, the same way with this phenomenon. It
Yeah, we confirmed that it's there, but we can't confirm nor deny we
know what it is that would be disclosure. And what's happened now is the
Navy has confirmed they exist. So confirmation has happened. That's a huge that's
a huge success as far as I know, that's never happened before. No,
I mean, it hasn't. It's it's shocking and it's you know to
me, it's happen. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's completely shocking and
it's huge. And like you said, you know, to the Stars had
a lot to do with that, which is another fundation. I'm so proud
of those guys. Yeah, and you you all, all of you credible
witnesses coming forward. I was a real minor part of that. They those
guys did ninety nine point nine percent of that work. Believe me, well,
they couldn't have done it without you all stepping forward. I don't think,
I mean, thank you for that. The Navy even acknowledged that,
you know, all of these credible people coming forward are guys coming forward,
you know, so that that, you know, gave them the the something
to work with, so, you know, at the same time, without
without the help of two of the stars, I don't think I eventually would
have maybe accomplished that, but would have taken a hell of a lot longer.
And I was working on it. That was we had people coming out.
Dave Baty and I have connected with a lot of the shipmates that have
seen this, and we were getting ready to go to Congress and tell them
and hopefully you have them change the policy. But it's already happened. M
Our work's been done. So did you have a bunch of people get ahold
of you, friends or family or after the Navy made that announcement, Oh
yeah, my Facebook pages exploded. Yeah, and what were they saying?
Congrats, hanging there, keep it up, We're proud of you. Were
you shocked by some of the people who contacted you. I'm hearing from people
I had heard from in fifteen years. Wow, And that's really a cool
part of this story. Just to reconnect with a bunch of people, a
lot of my former shipmates, I mean, that's really really cool. That
is so incredible. So you plan to at least, you know, continue
on with your book. You're gonna you're gonna update that and get that out
there, and uh, I guess what are your plans for the future.
Well, I'm kind of chocked and blocked here for the next several months because
you know, History Channel's coming out end of this month, and I've also
been interviewed by Discovery Channel, and I was just last week interviewed by the
Science Oh great, and they're all doing they're all doing a docu series on
the same subject, and I will appear in all those cable cable TV shows.
Mm hmm. Well, I hope they all do a good job with
it, because it is you know, people get worried. There's been a
lot of people thinking, oh my gosh, you know, to the Stars
is going to work with the same people, the same television, you know
channel that's working with Ancient Aliens. They're going to mess it up. But
I have seen, like I said, that first episode. Have you been
able to watch it yet? I haven't. They're holding it back for me
for some reason. I'm you know, and I'm to see it or anything.
I haven't asked to see it or anything, because if it gets leaked,
I don't I don't want to be on that suspect list exactly. I
told Louis. I told lou a long time ago. I say, hey,
lou Man, I know you know you got my support, and in
fact, please don't tell me anything. I don't need to know because if
it gets leaked, I don't want you to suspect it was me, right,
I know that feeling kind of left them alone. I've left them alone
pretty much, mm hmm. Yeah, and that makes sense. And I
mean I have it, and a few of us in the media have it
just because they you know, we often get early looks, but you know,
so we can write reviews. But they trust us because they've done this
for us in the past too. And you know, you get you mentioned
aachent Aliens and they wanted to interview me too, but I was like,
I can't. You know why I can't because because there's people will counting on
me to keep the credibility the story high. Yeah, and I don't want
to associate the story with anything that's really that's questionable. I mean, there's
been some shows on ancient Aliens or they're really really highly speculative, and I
just wanted to stay away from that. I didn't want to do anything to
damage the credibility of this story. Whisoever that makes sense, and I think
some people will question, well, we don't why are you talking to these
other people? But I personally don't feel that this History Channel show, at
least from the first episode that comes out, it's going to damage the credibility.
I think it's going to do the opposite. When you have people like
to Chris Mellen and Too and lou Elizano, you know, championing this thing,
and then the high credibility of all of you witnesses, it's h it's
a really exciting time. Other witnesses that have come out that are on that
show I've heard that haven't come out public will be the first their first public
appearance. I guess, right right, you can probably confirm that that.
Yeah, there's I've had a lot of people that have seen it tell me
it's incredibly well done. Yeah, and I hope it's true, because yeah,
I hope it's true. It is. I think that they that they'll
do you proud. I think it's great. So and I was worried,
but you know what, thank you so much for joining the show. We're
pretty much out of time. But also, you know, thank you for
for having the courage to come forward, because not everybody does, especially in
your position, most don't. And I personally, you know from looking at
all of this material. Sure there was Chris and Lou and others behind the
scene because they knew who to talk to. But if it wasn't for you
witnesses that you know, willing to step forward, that they could say,
hey, look, here's the guys who were involved. Here's what they've told
us. This is the real deal, you know, And I know you
get the sense too, And I believe this through looking at this the history
that when the Air Force or the Navy pooh pooh ufo stories, there's a
lot of talk in the background they don't like, you know, not backing
up their people. And I think there's some pride involved here where you know,
we're going to back our guys. If our guys have a strange experience,
we're gonna we're gonna look into this and take them seriously. And maybe
he's a great Navy is a great organization. They do definitely care about their
people, I'll tell you that. So it's just wonderful to see this new
kind of movement to taking the stuff seriously, and I think it's going to
lead to into some important stuff. And we all have to come here,
right, I mean, we all have to as a as a society,
except that it's okay to look into stuff that we don't that might be a
little strange to us, to figure out, you know, more about our
world, the world we live in. It's happening, whether the world wants
it or not. It's it's happening now. M M. Cats out of
the bag on this. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, thank you
so much for coming on the show. We'll definitely have to talk to you
again in the future, my honor, and I can't wait to meet you
in person. Yeah, let's do this again after some more news breaks and
it's about to there's been I've been interviewed by a major newspaper and I won't
even hit who it was, but yeah, there's a lot of stuff happening,
all right, It's all about to happen. People are about to find
out about it sort of that way. That is awesome, good to hear.
I know, it's a really exciting time. Thank you, sir,
Thank you. You have a great one, and thank you again. So
much for coming on. All right, Hello, thank you so so much
to Kevin Dave for joining us on the show. You know, there was
a question I wanted to ask him, and others have of course, you
know, he's done quite a few interviews and others have talked about this.
But he did say that the radar CEC and comms, the communications recordings from
that whole event there at the NIMTZ were confiscated, so someone came on board
and took those away. So that is sort of interesting. So even though
I talked about, you know, we don't have evidence of this major conspiracy
kind of pulling the strings behind the events that are occurring. We do have
evidence that somebody's collecting information. We don't know who exactly, but people are
collecting information on these topics. And remember that Loue Alizondo has told us that
the Pentagon program that he was a part of still exists today, so that
organization is still ongoing, and that there are other organizations. So who knows
where, what, who and when we are Also, I have to remember
often these things get very siloed. Of course we've learned this from John Alexander
as well, So it doesn't mean that all of these organizations share information with
each other. The other thing to remember is that you know Alisondo even though
this program's going on, that he doesn't even know what the new name of
the program. They changed their name from a tip to something else. So
there are people collecting information. Hopefully, like Lewis told us before, they
will be sharing that information publicly in the future, at least what they can
share that isn't classified. So we'll see what's going on. Like Kevin says,
we have an interesting future ahead of us in all of this information.
So I've got links below to the books and the information that Kevin talked about
if you want to check some of that stuff out and keep an eye out
for Unidentified. It's a really good show that starts on May thirty first,
so and like I said, we'll have Lou soon after that first show to
talk on the air. Also, I want to say congratulations to David Marlar.
Some of you saw that I posted some pictures in my social media that's
where I was this weekend in Albuquerque for David Marlar's wedding. David Marler is
the guy who wrote the book about triangular UFOs. Really cool guy. We've
talked about him recently as well, because he's been in the news and he
was also talked out here at Phoenix move On fairly regularly or recently, but
always check him out. He's definitely a very credible place or incredible reference for
information on this topic. Otherwise, the International UFO Congress, of course,
is coming up. We've got tickets that are posted. Tickets are out there,
so check that out until July thirty. First, you'll get discounted prices.
You'll see the early bird specials essentially, so go to Ufocongress dot com
to see that. Also, you'll also notice that there are more and more
speakers being listed, so check that on a regular basis. In fact,
if you want to see too any of you that are going to be an
organ at McMinnville, Karen and I will be there. Essentially, we're just
going to check it out, so we won't have a booth that you can
come and visit, but keep an eye out for us and say hello,
and you could probably see us hanging out with some of our buddies like Jeremy
Corbel and George Knapp, So that's going to be a lot of fun.
I haven't been there before to that, but people say it's always a lot
of fun, so we're excited to check that out this weekend, so hopefully
we'll see some of you there. Also, finally, my Patreon, so
of course I've been asking you all to go to my Patreon and become a
member. You know, you can do so for as little as a buck
a month, and many many of you have been doing that, so thank
you all so so much for that. In fact, I'll look it up
and I'll say hey to some of you who have joined recently. But there
are some posts there that are exclusive for you all, so only you all
can see that. And in fact, I posted on there a T shoe
that I have from Roswell last year, and this is a giveaway. So
I'm going to do this. I have to be careful with the wording on
Patreon, so essentially what I'll do is I'll put up a featured item that
you only the patrons can see. And what that featured item is really is
a giveaway. So if you like it, you know if it's the right
size. For instance, this is a large T shirt. If you wear
a large and you like the T shirt, make a comment in that Patreon
patroon thing, and then those in a couple of days, I'll choose a
winner from everybody who says, hey, I like that, I want it,
and so I'll send that to you. And I'll continue to do this
on a regular basis. I have more T shirts, and I got more
cool stuff that I'll be giving away over the next few weeks and months,
and I'll probably continue to get cool stuff, so I'll always continue to give
stuff away. But that's just a thank you to all of the patrons who
are helping me out here. And of course some of you might say,
hey man, why don't you give it away to everybody? Well, it's
easy to become a patron. Just go over to the Patreon site. Become
a patron for as little as a buck a month, and you'll be in
the loop. Not only that, I'm sharing cool audio and video from the
different cool stuff that we do, so you can be sure that I will
be sharing some cool stuff from this weekend at the mcmonville Mcmanagus I think that's
what it's called Mcmanamus, something like that Oregon UFO festival. Otherwise, I
want to thank Caleb Hanks for the opening end closed music. I want to
thank Systematics for the bumper music, and I want to thank Martin Willis a
podcast UFO for joining us with the news, and of course, as usual,
I want to thank you for joining us once again. As I talked
about earlier in the show, We've got some exciting interviews lined up, so
we'll be talking to you next week. Until next time, Audio smooth chutos.
Hello, this is a little added bonus that I'm adding on to the
end of the show. Show here. This is being recorded right before I
post it because there is a big piece of news that just happened, which
is that my good friend and the patriarch of Eufology, Stanton Friedman, passed
away today. It's a very sad day for me. He was a mentor
an inspiration. Of course, if you've listened to my podcast over the years,
Stanton and I debated about some things. But what was wonderful about Stanton
is that he loved to debate. He really well when we I first started
sharing that, you know, I had a different perspective than his on things
like the MK twelve documents. You know, he was excited, well,
let's debate about it, Let's talk about it. You know, he loved
that, and he did what we try to do at the Open minds UFO
group, which is try to debate. I'll be open to various points of
view and to debate these things without you know, being cruel to one another,
while still respecting one another. And I think that that is very important,
and that that is a lesson that I hope we all can learn,
is that, you know, we all have different perspectives. Some of my
best friends in this field, all of my best friends in this field,
some of them I have, you know, slightly different views. Some of
them I have greatly differing views. And that's okay. It doesn't mean we
need to demonize or be cruel to one another. We can still talk about
these things and debate our facts and points and respect each other for having different
points of view, just like Stanton Friedman did and Stan Friedman. It was
just a wonderful person for so many reasons. I think we're just extremely we
were extremely lucky to have him. My sympathies go to his family and his
friends, of which you know, many of my regular guests are because he's
like, you know, almost like family. We see each other at so
many of these different events and spend time with one another, help one another,
go through a hard time, sometimes with one another, and he'll just
be greatly greatly missed by myself, and I know, you know, the
entire community, and we've lost a major leader. I'm wearing my Alan j.
Heinick shirt and I never got to meet doctor Alan j. Heinick,
but I did get to spend a lot of time with with Stanton Friedman,
who is another legend in this build, and he'll be remembered that way.
And you know, I think at these times we just have to remember how
lucky we were to have so much time with, you know, these people
who pass. And I wanted to make sure and make that note on this
very sad but very special day of remembrance and celebration of a wonderful person that
we were all very lucky to have