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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am joined
this week by mister Martin Willis. Hello,

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sir, Hello, I'm just playing
Martin Willis. I like that,

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do you. It's a new look
for me. Yeah, usually for listeners

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whom might not be aware. I
give Martin a nickname today. I did

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not for unknown reasons. But the
nicknames I give Martin are for unknown reasons

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as well. They just kind of
come out, and we'll have a new

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one next week. Well, I
think today's nickname is fitting. Actually just

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blank. Yeah, Blank's slate.
Blank. So I want to tell people

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about the show. This show,
Open Mind GOFO Radio is about credible UFO

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news and information. We can take
more of a journalistic perspective where we're looking

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at substantiated information. Now we do
speculate, but well we'll let you know

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when we're speculating. But you know, we're not all full of speculation like

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a lot of this field can be. We also, at the beginning of

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the show review news before we get
to our guests. So Martin joins me

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with the news. That's the first
segment for some odd reason, and I

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don't recommend it. But if you
want to go to the interview, which

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some do, you know, that's
about twenty five minutes in, so you

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can't skip and go straight to that. But first we'll cover to the news

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after I tell you who my guest
is. And my guest this week is

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Kevin Day. And of course we've
been talking a lot about this Pentagon UFO

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project and the new were Time story, and I've been interviewing you know,

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Leslie Kane who helped write the story, and all of these people related to

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it. But I have not yet
spoken to one of the witnesses to the

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case that kind of came out with
this Pentagon UFO news, this two thousand

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and four Nimic's UFO encounter. So
this is my first time interviewing one of

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the witnesses. Kevin Day was a
radar operator on the USS Princeton, so

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he is a guy who essentially vectored
in Commander David Fraver, who was the

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faighteen pilot to go check out this
UFO essentially, And so we'll talk to

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Kevin about that. He's a great
guest and what was all so really cool?

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Martin, you'll like probably find this
interesting. It is first of all,

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of course the Navy news that announcing
that they're going to be coming up

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with UFO protocols or that they did, was a big deal to him.

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But he also has a lot of
really positive things to say about to the

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Stars and their involvement with that and
his and in particular Lou Alesando and his

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relations with them, which I think
is important because of course I've got this

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upcoming interview with Lou in a few
weeks and I'll update you all on that,

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but it's also important because people keep
calling into question Lou Elessondo's integrity and

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which is to me and I want
to hear your honest opinion, Martin,

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which is to me a little bit
curious, because I don't think Lou Alesando's

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conduct at all has has really raised
any reason for question, and in fact,

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as Tom has gone on, all
of the things he said, for

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the most part, have been verified. So I don't know, do you

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have any skepticism towards towards Alessando.
Not nothing, really, you know,

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after meeting him and speaking with him
face to face, I don't. I

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don't have any feeling. I think
what has happened, or partially what has

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happened here is there's been some times
where the UFO community has felt burnt before,

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you know, Bill Moore case,
going way back to the nineteen eighties,

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and you know, like the Roswell
slides, and you know, I

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mean there's there's so many times but
we've gotten our hopes up, you know,

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in the field and only to be
crushed. And I think I think

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you and I, you and I
are very bright to pat ourselves on the

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back. We typically don't fall for
it, like the roswellt slides. You

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and I right off the bat were
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roll. You know, we didn't
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certainly to your point, every time
there's this big, supposedly oh big

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UFO announcement, it never happens.
But it's now happening. It seems it

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seems really close. And you know, I got to watch the screener for

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Unidentified we're talking about that, and
oh that was real. That's really really

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good and that's coming out what in
the end of this month, and just

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yeah, May thirty first, Oh, and that was going to be my

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update regarding lou E Alsando because there's
probably some people listening here saying wait a

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second, I thought you were going
to interview Lou and I have been teasing

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you guys, and Lou's been teasing
me. But it's not necessarily his fault

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in a way, maybe, but
essentially, you know, he didn't realize

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when you're part of a TV program, especially when you're the main character,

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they kind of get to dictate,
you know, when you do interviews.

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So you know when I talked to
him a month or so ago and he's

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like, Yeah, it's time to
do an interview, let's do an interview.

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And then he was like, well, I've got to check with them,

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so I'm sure they'll let me do
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he didn't get a hard date.
Now we do have a hard date.

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So I'll be interviewing him the weekend
after the show launches. So the show

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will be after Ancient Aliens on May
thirty first. Immediately after that that weekend,

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I'll interview Lou. So the next
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with Louie Alzando. So that's how
that's going to go. But I'm glad

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you got to see the show.
So it's not just me out there saying

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this show is really good. Thust
of All. I've talked to Ryan Sprague

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who's watched it. I haven't really
talked to MJ a whole lot about his

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opinions. Maybe if you have,
you could share that. But everybody I've

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talked to you so far that I've
seen it thinks it's really good and I

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think it is too well. I
got to say, it's probably the best

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thing I've watched on TV. Wow, in regards to UFOs, it was

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really that good. Wow. Have
you read what MJ? Do you know

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what MJ? Benica? And he's
just another podcaster guy out there. And

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the reason I ask about him is
just he's a cool kid and he's a

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bit skeptical. He can be a
little more critical than rebby you or I,

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So it's it's interesting to hear what
he may have to say. Yeah,

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I haven't talked to him. He
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next week, but I haven't talked
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yeah, he is. He does
reviews. He's really for anyone that doesn't

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know this, he does great,
great reviews on YouTube on a weekly basis.

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Yeah, so he has one out
there. People can look it up.

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But I guess I'll also be able
to hear on your podcast what he

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thinks. Yeah, that's true,
you're gonna listen. Wow, I'm honored.

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No, I said, they cannot
me. Oh oh oh oh yeah,

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I just kidding. Yeah. Oh
you know what MJ's going to be

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on my next podcast. Well,
we're going to have he is too time

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in US, so that'll be at
the same time. So that's so funny.

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And the reason I didn't I was
just thinking I should look at my

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schedule because I have a few people
already in the pipe for my next interviews,

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and I think and I should share
with people what that is. And

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then I just realized, yeah,
I'll be talking to MJ. Of course,

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MJ's trying to do the rounds out
there because he has a new book

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out there called UFO People, so
he wants to talk about that. So

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we'll talk to him. Maybe I'll
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the the lou Alsando and the show
stuff, and that I'd be a lot

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of fun. So we'll try to
talk to about you know, maybe we

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should coordinate a little bit too,
and you tell me what topics you want

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to talk about, and I'll talk
about my topics. That way we can

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make sure we cover different topics with
him, not a bad idea, not

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a bad idea. And then the
week after that, I'll have doctor Bob

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Davis and he's very interesting and neuroscientist
who has been looking into abduction. I've

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had him on the show before,
but he's got a new book out as

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well. And then the week after
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after that, I'm very excited about, we'll be Nick Pope. So that's

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going to be a lot of fun. He's in the news today, Yeah,

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exactly. We'll be talking about him
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the news. So that's what's upcoming. So lots of exciting things to look

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forward to. But I guess let's
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all right, Well, I want
to start out today. This is from

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the News five in Cleveland and local
UFO videographers believe northeast Ohio is a UFO

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hut, a UFO sighting hot zone. You know, people may call it

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people in the trade so to be
called a different, you know, term

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than that, but you get the
gist of what they're saying. So anyway,

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there on this website, you can
check it out. There's about a

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three minute and forty second video that
shows all these different videographers that have you

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know, pieced together. There are
sighting films and there's some really good video

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on there. There's a number of
v formation you know, trying These are

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all lights in the sky for the
most part. There's one video that actually

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shows some type of object at the
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of the role. But anyway,
the different people that have taken these films

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have all one thing in common.
They said, you know, these sightings

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have changed their life. Now there's
one guy that's a long time ufologist there,

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Dale Harder's his name, and the
Cleveland Uthology Project and it's one of

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the oldest UFO organizations. I had
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established back in nineteen fifty two.
And he said that, you know,

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basically the Cleveland area is basically a
hot spot. And according to Muffon,

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there are I think it's number five
the Ohio's number five in the UFO sightings

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reported per year. So you know, it's right next to the lake.

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There's always seems to be some something
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where some of these objects seem to
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don't know exactly out of the lake
or just over the lake or what.

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But anyway, check out the video
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Like I said, it's about three
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great video. And you know,
right over Lake Erie a number of shots

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of different formations and lights in the
sky and objects moving toward each other and

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stuff. Check it out. Yeah, I think there's a few that are

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interesting, but to me because I'm
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A lot of these are some are
birds, some are aircraft. The

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Lake Eerie ones I think are all
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distance. You know, researchers have
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these are reflections. And there's another
story I have listed here. Of course,

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everybody can find these headlines at Openminds
dot tv. And you had looked

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at this one too. This I
think this was a yeah, flying Sauster

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UFO filmed in Glasgow City Center.
Terrible video, but because what happens and

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this is this confuses people a lot, but it's it's demonstrated very well in

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this this video on the Daily Record, which is another link I have there

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because I'm mostly linking I want people
to know what's going on in the mainstream

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media. What is the mainstream media
covering on UFOs And a lot of times

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they're covering things that you know,
they're not as as savvy about, you

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know, really analyzing. So you
see this light flickering, very bright light.

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And every time the bright light lights
up, you see this this what

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appears to be an object on the
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But what that is is it's a
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yeah, exact timing, so it's
obvious. But a lot of these pictures

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in this video from the Ohio Northeast
Ohio are the same thing. A lot

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of these you see, like,
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off screen or just barely there or
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And what happens when your camera and
you can do this at night, and

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this happens so much, is if
you try to film a bright light,

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it's going to have a reflection in
your camera. And if you move your

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camera around and the bright light moves
around, and that light's gonna appear to

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move around the other thing that happens
because I remember this case too. There's

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a case where there is a and
this happens a lot of over the Luxor

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in Las Vegas because it has a
bright light shooting straight up and there are

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some skyscrapers that do that. They're
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in the area, it looks weird
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bright lights. And another of those
images I'm certain is that I remember that

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case. So a lot of these
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think are resolved cases as far as
I know, but the vast majority are.

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lake Erie people get frustrated when I

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say this because a lot of things
people say, oh, there's a mystery

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going on there. But you know, there's a lot of really good researchers

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have carefully looked at all of that, and because they are old cases and

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you can find them in open minds
if you go look back in the records

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there. So Dale harder from that
investigation. Are you familiar with his workers?

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I mean it sounds like he's been
looking into what they had in that

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clip. Yeah, in the uh
is that the lake Erie one? Yes,

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I would have to go back and
look. But yeah, at least

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so far, I personally have not
seen it convincing. Lake erie one that

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hasn't been explained by people who are
much more capable at video analysis than I

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am, Like are good buddy Mark
D'Antonio, who does analysis for mofon.

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In fact, he was very involved
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day when they started coming around.
And a dream crusher he is, and

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he's one of the guys that crushed
my dreams with this story actually. But

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yeah, let's get into more stories, because I wanted to try to at

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least talk about all the stories we
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few. You had mentioned this other
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I linked to mainstream news, and
I try not to link to the tabloids,

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especially the UK tabloids, because they
have a lot of craziness, you

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know, like bat Baby and all
that kind of thing, and they're going

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crazy with all kinds of alien stuff. But Nick Pope will sometimes contribute or

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talk to the tabloids, and I
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always does a good job when they're
interviewing him. And of course he worked

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for the MOD the Ministry of Defense
investigating UFOs for a period of time.

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up with the UFO protocol to actually
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Hey, we need to do the
same thing. You really need to

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take this seriously in a public manner
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two thousand and eight they did,
and he wrote up some protocols he feels

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that they need to adopt. So, and this was written up in a

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story in the Metro. Ministry of
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UFO siting seriously. And who's urging
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you could see his list here of
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But essentially it's just taking them seriously. So that's really cool. I hope

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he gets somewhere with that. Some
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big deal with Nick Bope? Boy, does he think he's going to have

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some pool what he does? He
actually does some media consulting with the MOD

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when they do UFO stories. He
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yeah, if anybody's going to do
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does have some pool with the ver
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I was going to ask you if
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you know, I think so,
hmm, that's good. Yeah,

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he's given it an effort, and
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says a letter he wrote. You
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he's actually addressed it directly to them. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So.

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A couple other stories that I linked
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a bunch of those last week where
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share information. But again, an
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where Lou did tell me that and
we'll interview him about this, but that

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it's not true that you know,
to the stars. We've heard this from

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Chris Mellen and Tom DeLong, and
I've heard it from Lou. They all

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had an integral part in getting the
Navy to do this, to take these

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seriously, and so they do have
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says the Navy is going to share
raw data that is going to be classified

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with their leadership and with Congress,
and then that will all be synthesized into

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a public release, so they will
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getting there on a regular basis.
So we it's pretty amazing, really,

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exactly, it is amazing. So
I know we're going to get regular updates

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on UFOs from the Navy. How
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I think it's a you know,
I mean, people always ask I'm sure

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they ask you to when about disclosure, and I think, you know,

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I mean, maybe it's a different
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but it's there's some type of forward
movement for sure. Definitely, yeah,

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exactly, definitely, you know,
And and I do want to speak to

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this and you can chime into of
course, there's a lot of people.

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One of the reasons I did last
week that timeline is so people can understand

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the background to all of this.
And I did post recently my a transcript

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to my Eric Davis interview and also
a transcript with my interview with Leslie Kane

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right after the New York Times article
about the Pentagon project came out back in

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December twenty seventeen. My interview is
in January twenty eighteen. Leslie Kane was

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one of the authors, but she's
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happen. She was one of the
driving forces to get that information out Eric

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Davis, as we heard in our
interview with one of the people working on

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this project, He's been working towards
all of this, as we heard from

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him, for many, many years. And I've asked all of these people,

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do you feel like you know you
were there was some other secretive organization

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that is prompting this information to come
out. They've all said no, And

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people get really upset when I post
that, and I post that, Look,

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I just do not see any evidence
thus far for this disclosure conspiracy that

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we hear so much of the UFO
community talking about. There are UFO guys

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doing lectures about this. What's surprising
is, especially when I talk to Leslie

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about it, she's shocked, and
you can hear this. We talk about

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this in that interview. Why are
all these people making this stuff up without

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even talking to her about it?
And so I've talked to all of them

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and I just don't see it.
What we see are the efforts of people

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like lou Tom DeLong Leslie Kine,
Eric Davis, Bob Bigelow for years working

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towards legitimizing this topic and now being
met with success. So when people are

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saying, oh, the media is
controlled, and you know the media planted

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these stories, the media didn't plant
these stories, we can hear from Leslie

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Kane. She made that happen all
on her own. She's got an entire

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history of being involved with this field. So I just think, you know,

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we need to give credit where credit's
due. And maybe it's frustrated,

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maybe you want to see some sort
of cabal or you want to believe like

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the X Files poster. But what
we have to do is follow the data

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and the facts, and the data
and the facts at least thus far,

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and not you know, shit proving
that to be the case or showing that.

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So you could go read those.
But here's what also is around the

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story that is really cool is that
you do have some other things happening.

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So the next two links that I
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which is a military website, and
they're writing about the title is UFOs Aliens

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and the Navy, Oh my,
but they don't make fun of it in

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the story they're like, Wow,
you know, UFOs are finally being taken

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seriously by the military. The next
story I posted is from the Saint Louis

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Post Dispatch. We posted a story
from them last week. But this is

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a letter from a reader and it's
titled reporting of UFOs is serious science fiction.

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Essentially, this reader is saying,
hey, way to go, Saint

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Louis Post Dispatch for taking this seriously, because this is a serious topic,

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and you know, most people make
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you're taking it seriously. Yeah,
I've read that. That's really good.

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That was a good one. So
other stories out there. There's an article

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that I posted from The Breeze and
it turns out it is written by a

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student. And again, you know, I'm posting mainstream headlines and so we

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can see what the mainstream says about
all this stuff. But this was not

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a very well researched article. It's
called factor Fiction Area fifty one, and

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it's talking about Area fifty one,
but it talks about how the Pentagon.

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You know, the New York Times
have verified that UFO research is going on

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at Area fifty one. No,
that's not true at all. The Pentagon

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is not an Area fifty one.
The research was going on at the Pentagon,

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not Area fifty one. Interesting enough, though, And I want to

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know if you ever talked to Chris
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about actually visiting Area fifty one.
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that when on the interview I had
with him. Do you remember pretty sure?

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I think he said there was Basically
he was saying there was nothing too.

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Now this is going back I think
a couple of years I interviewed him,

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but I think he was basically saying
there was really nothing to or he

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did ask someone there's really nothing to
any of the crash, you know,

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saucers being there or alien bodies and
all that. I don't know if that's

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the exact question. I'm just paraphrasing
what I remember, but I really you

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know, i'd have to re listen
actually to understand. But I do remember

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him talking about Area fifty one,
right, Yeah, because he's been there.

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Steve Justice, of course, who's
in the program unidentified in one of

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the TTSA members, worked for skunk
Work, so of course he's been there.

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But then again, Eric Davis,
I don't know if he's been there.

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I think maybe he said he had. But what's interesting is some people

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might say, wait, Eric Davis
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remember what he said is he heard
from someone who heard from someone, So

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he didn't say he knows directly,
Lee. And this does get to something

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else because people have called us out, but you know, not all of

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the two of the stars people have
the same opinion about stuff. Obviously Tom

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has some more wild ideas than a
lot of the other guys. So otherwise,

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there are some really cool historical stories
here. There's a story about Tom

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DeLong and what he's up to.
So lots of great headlines. But we're

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already out of time, buddy,
aren't we. Wow? That went fast?

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It does? It always flies,
doesn't it? Yes? It does.

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Well. Thank you mister Martin willis
a podcast UFO for joining us with

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the news. No, you're very
welcome as always, So let's go ahead

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and talk to our guests this week, Kevin Day. That'll come out right

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after the break, So stay tuned. You're listening to Open Minds UFO Radio.

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I am very happy to welcome to
the show Kevin Day. Hello,

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Kevin, how are you? Hello? There? Alejandra, how are you.

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I'm doing pretty good, good,
good good. I'm so happy to

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have you on And in fact,
you know, I interview a lot of

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the people around it, but you're
the first actual witness that I've talked to

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you. I'm honored, honored to
speak with you today. Well, I

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am honored to speak with you as
well. So I guess to start off,

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maybe we'll just start off getting back
to you know, the situation back

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in two thousand and four, and
so at the time, you were a

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radar operator on the Princeton. Correct, that's correct. My actual job title

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was operation specialist and I was a
senior chie petty officer at the time.

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And how long have you been doing
that? On the day of the fourteenth,

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November fourteen, two thousand and four, I had a little over eighteen

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years of actual sea time on Spy
one equipment ships. Wow, there's a

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lot of sea time. Eighteen years
at radars that whole time. Yes,

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they're at radars that whole time,
radar interpretations now, just so the audience

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understands completely, my job was basically
on aboard the ship in combat information center

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where the guys that control the radars
and if need be, you know,

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where the guys that shoot the missiles
and guns and control aircraft for submarines basically

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track everything that flies, floats and
swims through the water mm hm. And

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how the equipment that you have is
like very stated art right, I would

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imagine, is it updated on a
regular basis? Absolutely? The SPY one

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radar system is a phase de ray
system. It looks in all directions at

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once, and there's you know,
as technology progresses, of course there's been

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upgrades over the years, and it's
an extremely capable radar system mm hmm.

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And then so on that period of
time. How unique was this particular training

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exercise, you know, how odd
was it that you started getting strange you

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know returns. We were off the
coast of San Diego about ninety miles to

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the southwest, and our strike group
was out there or trying to get you

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know, get together out there because
we had received orders to deplay a little

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bit early, because of course the
war was still going on, and it

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was right around the tenth of November
or so two thousand and four as started

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to notice these really odd contexts right
off the coast of Catalina Island end up

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in the channel Islands area off the
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were strange because they appeared in groups
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and oddly they were about twenty eight
They were twenty eight thousand feet in

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tracking due south at about one hundred
knots, which is really weird because something

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that high in the sky would fall
out of the sky going that slow normally.

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I wasn't really concerned about him,
and no one on the watch team

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was concerned about him, because you
know, there's hundreds of air contacts off

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the coast, and these were still
well away from us, and they were

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benign and their behavior and represented absolutely
no threat to the strike group at all.

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concerned about him in the end on

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the fourteenth was because we're getting ready
to conduct an air defense exercise and there

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was a really good chance that these
objects were going to end up in the

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airspace we were getting ready to do
the exercise in And so when CAPS fifth

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came down to combat c See and
I approached him, I said, you

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know what, sir, we've been
watching these contacts or I don't. There're

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not any threat that I can tell, But I am concerned about safety of

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flight, I think I highly recommend
we go up intercept one of these things

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and just see what they are.
Because if we don't, and we launch

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all the aircraft off the minutes uss
minutes and there's an error incident, someone's

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going to ask why the hell we
were so incurious about it? And he

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said, you know, you're right, so your jeep go ahead and intercept

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it. So that's interesting that so
you prompted that. Otherwise they might not

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have paid attention exactly. As a
matter of fact, if there had been

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no air defense exercise scheduled for that
morning, this whole thing probably would have

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never happened, at least by US. Uh huh, So what is the

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threat? Right exactly? So what
is a protocol when you notice something that's

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odd but it isn't a threat,
just to kind of ignore it, or

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do you at least log it?
Yeah, we track and report it.

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It's all recorded to it's all recorded
by our computer systems and such. And

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again just so you know, all
hunter, there's you know, when you're

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off the coast of a major country
like ours, there's there's literally hundreds of

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their contacts right off the coast,
or you know directly over land. Uh

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huh. So it's not necessarily something
too strange. It's just something you don't

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investigate unless you have to correct,
unless it's represent some kind of And when

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I say the word threat, doesn't
I don't mean they're hostile, but it

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could be like an air navigation type
of threat as well, just you know,

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hitting something by accident. Right,
So unless it becomes unless it becomes

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a reason why I need to intercept
it. All this track and reported to

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leave it alone. Non provocative,
nonaggressive type of policy. So up until

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the fourteenth, you've tracked them from
the tenth to fourteenth, but the fourteenth

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was when you actually needed to check
it out, that's correct. And if

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I if I added up all the
contacts and came up with a total number

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00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:03.000
over that week, it was right
around one hundred contracts that we encountered,

408
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.839
not just one, It was you
know, right around one hundred of them.

409
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.920
Were they of concern to you?
I mean, were they Did they

410
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:18.799
stand out as particularly strange? Absolutely? You know, I had eighteen years

411
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.640
eat time myself sitting at that spy
radar, and everyone in combat had similar

412
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:29.680
experiences. And our entire job is
to id stuff especially on the air side

413
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:34.920
of combat. We get something on
radar, our entire purpose at that point

414
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.799
is to identify it and determine whether
it's a threat or not. None,

415
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.160
none of us felt that it was
a threat, a traditional type of a

416
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.920
threat, because they were there,
were benign in their behavior, and they

417
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:52.160
represented no threat to us. Now, some people have speculated that, you

418
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:57.400
know, you're an in an area
where training is conducted, that it could

419
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.759
have been, you know, some
top secret training going on of like missiles

420
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.559
was one of the things. I'm
sure you've heard this. Uh. The

421
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.960
issue with that is, you know, is that something you run across do

422
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.880
you ever run across an unknown you
know, a test being done by the

423
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:20.920
United States that you're not made aware
of prior? Do you never? Never?

424
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:22.880
In fact, in fact, that
would be a violation of every training

425
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:28.960
protocol that's ever been written by the
military. Because if I've got an exercise

426
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.880
scheduled in an exercise area and someone
comes on top of me and puts another

427
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.960
exercise on top of that that I
didn't know about, You tell me,

428
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.759
could that lead to some maybe lead
to some problems? Of course, you

429
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:45.359
know, I mean, right,
the incidents related to it and that's just

430
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:50.400
not that's just not what happens.
Yeah, it's as a matter of fact,

431
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.880
doesn't go ahead. No, I
was going to say, Yeah,

432
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.880
and the surface that that seems that
that would be extremely dangerous and unwise,

433
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.799
would be putting not only human lives
at risk, but also you know,

434
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:06.000
the very devices that they're testing.
So that doesn't seem to make a lot

435
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.240
of sense. But you know,
there's been a lot of and I'm sure

436
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:14.400
you've heard it, speculation along those
lines. Yeah, And I'm not saying

437
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:16.759
it's impossible. I'm just saying,
if it turns out to be true,

438
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.960
number one, I'm gonna be pretty
upset about it because it was a violation

439
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:28.559
of every training protocol in that case, especially when assuming that's all true,

440
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:36.599
and assuming that they also know that
encounters with objects UAP type objects it affects

441
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:43.960
people. So for them to purposely
do that it would have been extremely unwise.

442
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.799
To say the least about it.
Now, the biggest Yeah, and

443
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.759
you know it elucidates the question.
Okay, then, Kevin, what was

444
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.359
it? You know what? My
answer to that is, I have to

445
00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:00.079
tell you that I don't know what
it was. To this day, I

446
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.519
don't know what it was, But
I do know what it wasn't I know

447
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.039
because I was trained to figure out
what it was. And part of the

448
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.000
way you do that is to determine
what it is, and we did that,

449
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:14.880
and to this day there is still
no idea on those objects that I

450
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:19.000
know about well. And along those
lines, you know, there were people

451
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.280
saying that a missile was being tested. I think they even say it was

452
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:29.599
a supersonic or hypersonic missile. Have
you, in your opinion, did those

453
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:35.119
returns you know up here look like
what a missile like that would look like

454
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:39.159
at all? In no way,
shape or form, I mean a missile

455
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:44.800
presumably you're talking about one missile.
I know we've we had, you know,

456
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.440
right around one hundred contexts and just
a flight there's just a flight profile

457
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.679
alone. There's no way it did
it was a missile, right because one

458
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:58.039
of the things you said you noted
and and you know in the incident you

459
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.960
talked about earlier on how you noted
them going very slow. Anything going that

460
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:05.880
slow would fall out of the sky. Uh. You also had said at

461
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.960
times that you saw them hover,
and of course miss stiles don't really hover

462
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:15.360
or fly slowly. No, they
don't not real well so so yeah,

463
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:20.079
so you have this mystery. On
the fourteenth you you talked to the captain.

464
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.360
They scramble, or at least they
didn't scramble. I guess they You

465
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:28.360
had you all zero in some of
the guys to go take a look.

466
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.559
Yeah, we were getting ready to
getting ready for the start of the Air

467
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:37.119
Defense Exercise. We call it an
ad X. And so the the nime

468
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:42.480
it started, USS NIMA started launching
aircraft and you know, aircraft's coming up.

469
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.960
They're doing their functional flight checks to
make sure all their systems are up

470
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:51.119
and operating. And the AdEx was
scheduled to start, you know, in

471
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.440
a just a short time later,
and it just happened to be Fastigal flight

472
00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:00.719
that came up first, and it
was Commander Fraverer and his wingman, and

473
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:05.039
that just happened to be the aircraft
that I took control of, and I

474
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.320
just vectored him to the closest object
in the sky, and that's when it

475
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:13.840
all happened. It was pretty boring
intercept. Actually, he went about thirty

476
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:17.079
miles to get in the same piece
of sky as it and as soon as

477
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:22.280
he got to ther merge plot position, which basically is two objects in the

478
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.880
sky and the same vertical piece of
sky. And when I look at that,

479
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:29.400
well, when I look at that
presentation on my two dimensional presentation,

480
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.119
now it looks like one object.
They merged together. Well, as soon

481
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:36.800
as he got to that point,
we had his colms and external calms in

482
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.920
the overhead speaker and combat. All
of a sudden we hear, oh my

483
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:44.239
god, oh my god, I'm
engaged. I'm engauged, just poping his

484
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:49.400
pants. Basically like total total shot, total shot. And on radar,

485
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.880
I watched this object. It went
from twenty eight thousand feet down to the

486
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.599
surface of the ocean. I found
out the very next day it was in

487
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.000
zero point seven eight seconds, less
than a second, and made that transition

488
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:07.199
no sonic booms. So he know, he's very curious now, so of

489
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:08.679
course he leaves. He leaves us
winging up at altitude, and he wants

490
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:12.079
to go down and take a look
at it. So he goes. He

491
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.599
follows it down, and the thing
reacts to him, the avoids him,

492
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.800
and he goes straight back up into
the sky twenty eight thousand feet and continues

493
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:24.440
tracking south at one hundred knots as
if nothing interesting had happened, you know,

494
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.079
it kind of it kind of it
kind of reacted like it just wanted

495
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.519
to be left the hell alone.
Oh gotcha. Yeah, yeah, it's

496
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:35.079
like here, I almost like almost
like a flock of birds would react.

497
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.599
And then the reason why I say
flock of birds because there was other aircraft

498
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:44.000
that had been launching off the carrier. But then and we share all of

499
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.679
our radar data on data links,
and so now all the other air crews

500
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:50.679
are seeing these contacts on the data
links, and next thing I know,

501
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:55.079
I've got a whole bunch of intercepts
happening in the sky above us. And

502
00:37:55.159 --> 00:38:00.519
at one pot, at one point, Alejandro, this actually appeared to me

503
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:04.159
it was actually raining UFOs. These
things were dropping out of the sky,

504
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.159
all down to fifty feet or so. When was this? As soon as

505
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:13.280
the air crews say again, please, when was that? That's on the

506
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:17.079
fourteenth, it says there was more
than one intercept conducted. It wasn't just

507
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.119
Commander fair there was other intercepts as
well. As a matter of fact that

508
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:25.559
at Flair video that's pretty pretty same
as Commander Favor didn't actually is not the

509
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:32.920
one that filmed that was it was
a follow on intercept that happened. You

510
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.920
know, it was actually it was
raining UFOs and every one of these things.

511
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.840
As soon as the air crews went
back up to altitude, these objects

512
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:44.159
all went back up into the sky
twenty eight thousand feet, continued tracking SOLF

513
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:50.239
at one hundred knots. It was
extremely bizarre how many intercepts were there.

514
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:57.519
That's a good question, and I'm
hoping to radar data still exist somewhere so

515
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:02.679
we can finally answer that question.
I was actually I was a supervisor for

516
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:07.039
the Commander Frevor intercept. As a
matter of facts. Strangely enough, it

517
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.639
was my very last intercept in the
Navy. Oh wow. Also my very

518
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:15.480
last also my very last under underway
in the Navy. I was getting ready

519
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:20.079
to retire. Oh wow. But
there was probably answer the question. It's

520
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:24.840
probably between five and eight intercepts that
happened total that day. Wow. And

521
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:31.760
in each of those there is a
pilot and what their navigator in the plane.

522
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:37.199
So you're talking about at least ten
individuals. Would that be true?

523
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.760
That that would be a good number. You got the pilot and then you

524
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:45.239
got the whizzo, the weapon system
operator in the back. He's actually controlling

525
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:52.719
the radars and the weapons. So
two people per super Hornet, so multiplay

526
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.760
by five, you know, five
aircraft at a minimum, so that's ten

527
00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:01.039
people plus we had airborne E two
Hawkeye that also saw the objects visually.

528
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.199
The flight crew on the Hawkeye saw
it as well, saw them as well.

529
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.000
So essentially, I mean we've only
heard we haven't even heard half the

530
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:13.119
story yet. I mean, we've
heard from FRAVERR that's true, some of

531
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:15.519
the other witnesses, but we haven't
heard from all the pilots and details on

532
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:21.599
all the intercepts. That's very true. There's a much larger story here that's

533
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:24.679
still coming out now. To give
a shout out to day, I have

534
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:29.119
to give a shout out to Dave
Baty on that one because of his film

535
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:35.840
called The Nimus Encounters on the YouTube. Slowly but surely, almost almost every

536
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.280
week now, more and more people
are starting to come out. Yeah.

537
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:43.880
Yeah, and Dave, his video
is incredible. It's so well done.

538
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:47.079
I mean, when you watch that
video, do you feel that at the

539
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:53.719
accuracy is it's pretty right on?
Yeah, it is. It's extremely well

540
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:59.079
done. In fact, I helped
him as a subject matter expert during the

541
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:04.840
development of it terms of some of
the calms and the the way see I

542
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:10.880
see operation, the way that we
conduct UHTRA group STRAT group air defense procedures.

543
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.119
Mm hmmm. It's extremely well done
video. As a matter of fact,

544
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.719
if you go to YouTube right now, you won't find it because what

545
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:23.400
do well, due to some legal
challenges, he removed it off YouTube and

546
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.840
he's updating it and when he puts
it back up there, it's gonna be

547
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.519
about three times as long as it
was, and it's now going to include

548
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:35.760
interviews of some of the witnesses,
including myself. Oh great, So it'll

549
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.280
just be better than ever. It's
gonna be better than ever. Yeah,

550
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:45.400
And he's he's gonna just so you
know, he's gonna be timing the the

551
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:50.960
update of that video with the History
Channel program coming out on May thirty first

552
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.840
called Unidentified Great, which I'm also
which I'm also in. M hm.

553
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.239
That's really good news. That's really
smart of him too, because I think

554
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:06.639
that that show is going to generate
a tremendous amount of interest. Personally,

555
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:13.880
I do too. So with what
do you think in this situation, like

556
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:20.800
seeing Dave's film and everything, what
inspires people to come forward? I think,

557
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:24.679
you know, I can't really answer
that question for everyone else, but

558
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:28.280
I can tell you what happened to
me. I was. I was down

559
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.000
at the golf course just over a
year ago now, or a local golf

560
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:35.559
course, and I've been volunteering down
there for some time, about four years,

561
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:37.960
trying to save it from bankruptcy.
I was down there. I was.

562
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:42.719
I just helped open reopen the kitchen
and restaurant. And I was down

563
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:46.079
there waiting tables for free. And
for whatever reason, we had CNN on

564
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:51.400
the TV, normally the golf channels
on, and all of a sudden,

565
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.199
I see this video, the famous
app Firbody, and I actually dropped the

566
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:57.679
full plate of food I was,
and I was dumbfounded. I said,

567
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:04.199
oh my god, I know that
video. Yeah, really shook me.

568
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:08.199
Uh huh. And so when you
saw that video? What when you saw

569
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:13.199
the video did you also? I
instantly knew what I had to do.

570
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.639
I knew instantly that I had to
come out and support Commander Freighter. That

571
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:22.039
was my intercept, right, amazing. So getting back to that intercept,

572
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:29.400
or at least that day, you
know you heard that excitement in Fraver's voice.

573
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.960
You said when he said you know
he was engaged with it. Was

574
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:37.800
that a unique experience? I mean, do you do you ever hear it?

575
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:39.920
Sounds like you're familiar with fravor?
But is it? Is it often

576
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:45.039
you hear pilots get excited like that
over something like this. No, no,

577
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:50.960
no, no no. It's usually
more protocol based than Thomas burdvity based.

578
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.719
You could you could hear the true
astonishment in his voice in shock mm

579
00:43:55.760 --> 00:44:00.320
hmm. Now there's another Flare video
out there. You've probably in that group

580
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:05.159
that was released in the three and
the pilots are kind of cussing, they're

581
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:07.320
really excited, you know, they're
able to track the object again like woo,

582
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:13.119
yeah, the gimbal video that was
on the coast of Virginia I believe

583
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:19.559
in twenty fifteen. Now you know
what, Apparently this has been happening for

584
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.440
quite a while. Oh yeah,
yeah, I mean I've been in this

585
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.239
for a while. In fact,
you know, I argue that not just

586
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:30.880
our government, but that other governments. This is the most common sort of

587
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:36.719
occurrence is when there are these objects
seen typically on radar jets, scrambled,

588
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.920
they kind of have a cat and
mouse sort of thing, and then the

589
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:43.840
things take off at incredible speed.
And that's it. And I mean we've

590
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.480
seen this, There's plenty of blue
book files on this. Chile has talked

591
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:53.840
about this, many other countries have
had these similar experiences for many years.

592
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:58.039
Yeah, and that was actually part
of my concern, in part of the

593
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:01.159
reason. And I knew when I
saw this thing on CNN, I knew

594
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:07.119
instantly what I had to do.
And I knew instantly what my concerns were

595
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.760
too, because I don't think these
things are a threat in the traditional in

596
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.559
the traditional way. But let's imagine
that what happened to us out there,

597
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:20.239
Let's just imagine that same scenario happened
off the coast of Iran, for example,

598
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.920
when I really did have missiles on
the rails. You know, it

599
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.920
could have turned out a lot differently
than it did that day, just out

600
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.039
of accident, just you know,
starting a word, just from an accident

601
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:38.000
or a misinterpretation of the radar or
misinterpretation of the objects intent. Right,

602
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:43.360
That's that, that's the threat right
there. Yeah, you know, is

603
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.960
it's an asymmetric type of threat.
It's not a it's not a direct if

604
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:50.599
they wanted to kill us, if
they wanted to harmssy sure could have.

605
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:52.920
I'll tell you that there is nothing
I could have done it. There's nothing

606
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:57.000
I could have done about it,
right, Shoot the missile at the wouldn't

607
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.159
have done any good. Yeah.
And it's interesting you say this because there

608
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.920
have been other radar operators and others
in the military have said the same thing

609
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.400
over the years too, is that
you know, that's why we need to

610
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:13.320
pay attention to this because for the
exact same reasons you're talking about now.

611
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:15.519
Yeah, And that was that has
been part of my motivation over the last

612
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:22.119
years. We were trying to and
we were successful obviously, just a groundswell

613
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:27.159
of support of people like myself and
the statistic thing's been worked pretty hard behind

614
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.920
the scenes by a bunch of us, and we were trying to get where.

615
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.719
Our goal was to go to Congress
and convince the Navy to change the

616
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:39.719
policy. But I never had to
go. It's apparently to the Star's Academy

617
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:46.519
orchestrated all of that. And although
I do feel vindicated that it's happened,

618
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:51.599
because that was my goal too.
I wanted the Navy to acknowledge the existence

619
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:58.039
of UAP, to just confirm the
fact that they're out there, and as

620
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:00.639
you've seen, they didn't have to
disclose anything by doing that. They all

621
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:05.199
they did is can acknowledge the fact
that they're there. Right, That's that

622
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:09.519
was my goal. Now it's real, So yeah, it's it's happening.

623
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:14.719
And Fraver said he saw was you
know tik tak shape. And the other

624
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:16.880
witnesses, you know, along with
that encounter that you were involved with,

625
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:24.000
and these other incidents where there were
other intercepts, were there other witnesses who

626
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:31.039
described a similar object. Oh?
Absolutely, on the Nimits event, you

627
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:35.199
know, all the all the pilots
described, the pilots that did see him,

628
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.519
all, as far as I know, I've all described it the same

629
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.880
way. And in fact, when
we got back to got back to San

630
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.480
Diego, uh, shortly after we
were done at Cither, we had a

631
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:51.239
little symposium there Naval thirty second Street
Naval Station, and I talked to Commander

632
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:54.599
Fravor and that's the first time I
heard the word tik tak He that's even

633
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:59.039
back in two thousand and four.
That's how he was describing those objects.

634
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:01.000
He said, Well, he said, see, your chief look just like

635
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:06.880
a giant tic tac. No doors, no windows, no airfoils, no

636
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:14.039
exhaust, just you can imagine a
giant white tic TACs exactly what it looked

637
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:19.400
like. Wow. Yeah, that's
so incredible. Now, I guess we're

638
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.519
almost out of time for this first
segment. So what we'll do is let's

639
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:25.119
go ahead and we'll go to break, and then we'll come back and we'll

640
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:29.159
talk some more about this. But
yeah, the time flies, because I

641
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:34.719
do want to talk more about you
know how important this is, that the

642
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:38.039
Navy's acknowledging that this is real and
kind of like you said, you said

643
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:43.960
you felt vindicated. Okay, Yeah, so we'll talk about that in just

644
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.480
a second. So those of you
listening on a radio station, you're going

645
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:50.519
to hear some commercials. For the
rest of you listening to the podcast,

646
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:54.320
you'll hear a short musical interlude,
and then we will be back with this

647
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:58.679
great interview. I'm having such a
fun time talking to Kevin Day here,

648
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:04.400
one of the witnesses at the two
thousand and four Nimitz encounter, which,

649
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:09.119
as he mentioned, will be featured
on this unidentified television show on the History

650
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:15.280
Channel. And I've seen at least
the first episode and it is really really

651
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.440
good. I really liked it.
I think it's going to be really shocking

652
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:22.239
to people to see the credibility.
There's no television show that is brought together

653
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:28.800
this level of credible people to talk
about this topic. So it's really exciting.

654
00:49:29.079 --> 00:50:12.679
So we'll be back in just a
second. Hanging tight. Welcome back

655
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.519
to Open Mind, GUFO Radio.
This is your host Alejandro Rojas and we're

656
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:20.599
here with Kevin Day. So,
Kevin, you know one of the things

657
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:27.079
in the leaked Nimits report that had
come out. I'm assuming you've seen that

658
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:31.400
report George Knapp had leaked at George
Nap. Yeah, George Knapp made us

659
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:36.039
all aware of it. And what
do you think? Does that look accurate?

660
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:38.960
Does that look like a real document
to you? Some people have questioned

661
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:45.639
whether or not it was real or
not. It's definitely captured. What happened

662
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:52.280
that the origin of it and some
of the folks portrayed in it have yet

663
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.679
to be identified, gotcha, because
you know some of the some of the

664
00:50:54.760 --> 00:51:00.880
names were redacted. So I just
blacked out in it. But do you

665
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:09.519
question whether or not it's it's fake
or not? It didn't. It didn't

666
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:13.800
appear to me to be fake.
Okay, but I actually don't know.

667
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:16.440
Okay, one of the sections.
You know, the thing, the weird

668
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.159
thing about it, Elejandro, is
you know, after this happened, there's

669
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:24.960
have since learned that apparently some of
the crew members on both the Princeton and

670
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:30.400
the ymits had to sign non disclosure
agreements and some people were told not to

671
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:34.360
talk about this. But I never
had to sign anything, and I was

672
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.679
never told not to talk about anything. So the fact that there was a

673
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:42.280
paper done on it kind of surprised
me. Right, that was probably the

674
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:46.519
surprising part on it. I just
had figured it was forgotten about. Now.

675
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:51.599
One of the things that that document
describes is a level of ridicule.

676
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:59.519
You know that there were some guys, you know, wearing some aluminum hats,

677
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:04.719
you know, who debriefed the pilots
and and it really concerned the pilots

678
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.039
and others. You know that that
there were people were making fun of it.

679
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:12.360
Did you see that? Did that
really happen? Did you recognize that

680
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:16.280
I know for a fact it happened
over on the US's mimics, but that

681
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:22.599
did not happen on the Princeton.
That no one was clowning us because people

682
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:27.280
were people were up watching these objects
on through the big eyed binoculars, and

683
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:32.199
the people who did have access to
CSE Combent Information Center they actually saw them

684
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:37.119
with their own eyes. So there
wasn't the level of ridicule that was or

685
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.599
any really that all happened on the
mimics, which is, you know,

686
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:45.880
there's there's what five thousand people on
that on that on that ship, and

687
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:51.360
not everyone has access to what's happening, so they just, for whatever reason,

688
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:55.320
they started playing reruns of X Files
and uh, all the old UFO

689
00:52:55.440 --> 00:53:00.400
movies that have come out over time. And yeah, they a lot of

690
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:04.039
ridicule, which is part of the
reason why the Navy changes policy, I'm

691
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.400
sure right exactly. And that's kind
of what I'm getting at, is that,

692
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:12.280
you know, the Navy kind of
it seems, and I'd love to

693
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:15.639
hear your opinion by the Navy not
acknowledging the phenomena at least that the you

694
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.840
know, the higher ups of taking
it seriously. That kind of lends to

695
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:24.400
people feeling sort of strange about it. And I guess the one reaction is

696
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:30.920
when people are uncomfortable is to make
fun of something h and hopefully then these

697
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:36.960
new protocols will keep that from happening. I believe it. I believe it

698
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.360
will I believe it. I believe
that's exactly what happened, and hopefully the

699
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:46.800
new protocols will actually prevent a major
accident from happening. I mean, there

700
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:52.559
was an article in the paper just
today about the British believe in the with

701
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:55.280
this current tensions in Iran, that's
happening. M h. We just we

702
00:53:55.400 --> 00:54:00.440
just sent the Abraham Lincolnstract group over
there. They're concerned just from sheer accident,

703
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.800
could war could be started that no
one really wants. And that's why

704
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.360
that's one of the reasons why I
was happy the Navy changer policy, because

705
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:16.079
maybe it will prevent that from ever
happening. In terms of the airspace that

706
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:21.800
also contained you, aps H,
how did you feel like being a part

707
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.360
of this? Did you ever well, I guess you retired soon after.

708
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:30.480
But did you ever feel embarrassed or
made fun of her? Did you feel

709
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:37.039
not supported by the Navy when this
all occurred? No, not by the

710
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:45.159
Navy. You know, I transferred
to Naval Airpack right across the bay there

711
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:47.400
in San Diego, over in Cornado
Island, and I did two years there,

712
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:51.400
and you know, I tried to
talk to people about this and tell

713
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:53.800
people about it, but at the
time, no one really I got the

714
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.760
sense no one really believed me.
And you know, how could they really,

715
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.880
you know, they weren't there,
they didn't see it. So I

716
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:06.320
went ahead and retired, and it
I started having these really disturbing dreams all

717
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:09.719
of a sudden, out of the
bluetoo like estetological type dreams, like end

718
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:14.360
of the world type disaster dreams.
Really now, the dreams themselves didn't The

719
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:19.079
dreams themselves didn't really bug me.
Everyone has nightmares, but remember of the

720
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.360
next day did because it started to
create a lot of anxiety. I started

721
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.480
to experience acute anxiety, and I
was, you know, this whole time,

722
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:29.840
I was still attempting to tell you
know, like close friends and family

723
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:34.840
members about what happened. So out
of frustration, mostly I sat down and

724
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.199
I wrote a I wrote a story
about it, I called I called the

725
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:42.519
Seer, not the Seer, but
the Seer. And I wrote a couple

726
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:47.000
other short stories and I put them
together into a book called Sailor's Anthology,

727
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:52.760
and I published it in the Library
of Congress. And my idea at the

728
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.000
time was, hey, I'm going
to publish this an account, a fictionalized

729
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:59.800
account of what happened, just in
case this ever becomes public, that my

730
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:06.079
care can provide some contemporaneous evidence that
this really did, indeed happened. And

731
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.960
you know what, Eljandro, that's
exactly what's happened. Yeah, my book

732
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:15.199
is now considered evidence. And how
do people get that? Is that book

733
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:21.360
publicly available? Yeah? You can
google Sailor's Anthology Book one and it's right

734
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.920
there. I forget the name of
the hosting company, but you can download

735
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:29.840
it for free. I'll also send
you a copy of it and you can

736
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.760
post it. Okay, great,
thank you. Yeah, because the pdf

737
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:38.000
pdf pdf form okay great. Yeah, I found it here, which is

738
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:40.840
really cool. So that's such a
great service for you. I mean,

739
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:46.079
I would even say you might want
to get printed and tell them just so

740
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:52.599
you can. On that note,
I'm on that note, I'm actually writing

741
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:57.320
a new book kind of gets into
my career, my career in the tik

742
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.840
Tak encounter from A to Z and
also the effects this thing has had me

743
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:07.280
personally post encounter. It's all going
to be in my new book. Yeah,

744
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:10.239
I've been working on it for a
while. Well, that's really cool.

745
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:14.440
There's a there's a much larger story
here than people who have heard so

746
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:20.320
far. So and what do you
feel that that larger story kind of entails

747
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:29.840
how it's affected everyone? H I
have to I have to presume I wasn't

748
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:35.400
the only one affected by this that
was there and witnessed it, you know.

749
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:37.760
And then this this whole thing is
that what we're talking about now is

750
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:44.039
all has been known for some time. Jacques of Vale and doctor Eric Davis,

751
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:47.039
they did a paper some time ago, if forgot the year they did

752
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:52.800
it, that is called the Incommensurability
of High Strangeness. And basically what that

753
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:58.280
paper does, it's a it's a
basically a blueprint for conducting filled research on

754
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:06.239
and the only air phenomenon uf UFOs. And part of the part of the

755
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:13.000
effects on humans that's been noted for
decades now is there's physiological effects on people

756
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.920
and there's also mental effects on people
just from just from encountering these things.

757
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:24.880
And that's an interesting I mean for
you, for instance, I know when

758
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.880
I kind of way back in the
day, kind of really I don't even

759
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:34.480
know what it was, but I
do remember the feeling of where when I

760
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:40.239
really kind of surrendered to the idea
that there could be something out there we

761
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:45.159
don't know what it is coming here. And it was impactful. I could

762
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:50.920
change. I could almost feel my
brain bending, you know, and changes

763
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.679
going on in my thought processes.
Is is that kind of how you felt?

764
00:58:55.000 --> 00:59:00.000
Did it change your worldview? Yeah? And you know when I retired

765
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.960
in two thousand and eight and I
started to I got a really good job

766
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:09.000
with a defense contractor, but I
started having personal problems in my life,

767
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:13.760
started with the dreams, and just
one thing led to another. Of my

768
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:16.719
work started to suffer. But for
me, I never related it back to

769
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:21.320
the Tic Tac incident at all.
I thought I was just having trouble transitioning

770
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:27.960
back into becoming a civilian and maybe
I was having some type of psychosis or

771
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:32.079
maybe even PTSD. And that's actually
when I actually did go to the VA.

772
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:37.039
That's what I was diagnosed with.
They call it a complex case of

773
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:42.840
PTSD. In fact I did.
I didn't even suspect it. My issues

774
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:46.280
were in the changes in me physically
and mentally, which were quite profound.

775
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:52.639
I didn't relate it back to the
tic Tac incident until I was visited in

776
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:57.960
twenty fifteen by a couple of spooks
at my house that left me enough hints

777
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:01.320
which were later confirmed by Louelle.
Was onto the last summer that Yeah,

778
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:04.920
they came to see you, Kevin, because of the tic TAC and they

779
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:10.159
were trying to determine whether or not
you were still saying you guys didn't laugh.

780
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:15.840
And because one of the things that
shock was one of the guy's names.

781
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.239
He told me, say Kevin,
right before he left, he'd say,

782
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:23.800
Kevin, you are incredibly important to
what's about to happen. And that's

783
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:29.679
the last thing he ever said to
me. And he was right. But

784
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:32.440
you know, I wasn't this None
of this made sense until some time later,

785
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:36.400
and only just in the last year
I was able to figure this all

786
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:40.280
out, much to my relief,
by the way, because maybe I'm not

787
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:46.559
crazy after all, right, entirely
normal in fact, Yeah, in fact

788
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:50.760
it could be. Uh, you
know, in a way, you're just

789
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:55.440
ahead of the curve. You are
more aware of kind of our state of

790
01:00:55.800 --> 01:01:02.519
reality than others. Yeah. I
don't think it was an accident that this

791
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:08.679
thing happened. When and how it
did, these things were whatever this phenomenon

792
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:15.559
is, Alejandro, not only is
it real? But there these objects are

793
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:21.199
also aware, they are intelligent,
and they seem to be prescient as well.

794
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.880
One of the things that happened during
Commander Favor's intercept is we have a

795
01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:29.320
point in the sky that's called a
combat Air Patrol station and basically it's just

796
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:32.039
a loiter point in the sky for
air crews until we give them a vector

797
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:35.880
to go look at something. It
just kind of hang out in that spot

798
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:39.440
right. Well, this object,
it was about forty miles away or so,

799
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:45.199
and this object disappeared right in front
of him and instantly reappeared at his

800
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:49.639
CAP station. Now, how on
the hell did that thing know where his

801
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.480
CAP station was? It's a classified
point in this guy that no one knows

802
01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:58.159
about. Had they already been at
the cap or were they going there later?

803
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.199
They hadn't been there yet hmmm,
No, because we took them.

804
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:06.760
They were just do south the terrier
and I vected them about forty miles away

805
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:09.679
to the object, and they hadn't
They hadn't gone to their CAP station yet.

806
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:14.119
Mm hmm. In fact, no
one had. This object was the

807
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.119
first one to go there. Who
knows where the CAP is? Do they

808
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:22.920
have it plugged? Into their systems
at all at that point. Yeah,

809
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:25.599
yeah, it's all It's in their
displays on board aircraft. And also it's

810
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:30.119
in our message traffic. When we
do a big exercise, will of course

811
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:35.239
publish a message in all those points
will be listed in the message traffic,

812
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:38.480
which is secret message traffic. M
hm. So presumably if these objects had

813
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:42.280
access to our secret message traffic,
they would have known where it was,

814
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:46.519
right, So that's one of the
places they could have somehow access to know

815
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:50.760
that. But it is I mean, out of all the places in the

816
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:54.719
you know over where you are a
coincidental there could be a lot more prosaic

817
01:02:54.760 --> 01:03:00.360
explanation other than their oppressing it.
I acknowledged that although but the yards are

818
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:05.400
pretty pretty, you know that of
all places that this thing would decide to

819
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:10.559
kind of go zoom over to that
it would be a significant location that you

820
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:15.840
know that these guys are. Yeah, it's kind of there. If they

821
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:20.960
were trying to send a message,
they accomplished it. Yeah, really interesting.

822
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:27.679
So with Lou Alizondo and I bring
this up just because there are you

823
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:30.960
know, not really by mainstream that
I've seen so much, but by others,

824
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:37.280
and I'm sure others you've talked to
as well, people questioning whether he

825
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:43.599
really did investigate UFOs with the Pentagon. Do you have any question, I

826
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:49.960
am, Do you have any suspicions? Absolutely zero. I've met both lou

827
01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:54.159
Arizona and Tom DeLong. They came
to my house last summer now, and

828
01:03:55.440 --> 01:04:02.199
I found them both to be entirely
credible and incredibly sincere and extremely dedicated to

829
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:08.039
what they were trying to do.
H right, you can count me a

830
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:11.719
fan, definitely, mm hmmm.
Yeah. I think that's one of the

831
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:15.639
things. It's what and it's it's
good to have some healthy skepticism. Uh,

832
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:19.440
but at some point, you know, you do have to let the

833
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:25.079
data lead you in the direction.
And uh, you know, meeting these

834
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:30.840
guys in their enthusiasm is what's really
exciting too. Yeah, and you know,

835
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:33.119
skepticism is fine, but if you
if you're skeptical to the up to

836
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:36.320
the point of being obtuse, then
you've taken it too far. Right,

837
01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:40.559
right, that's a very good way
to put it. I think. So,

838
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:45.199
how when you first saw this announcement
from the Navy, how did it

839
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:46.960
make you feel? Just? What
was It's only been a week or two.

840
01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:54.360
I'm pretty emotional kind of guy.
I actually started crying. I could

841
01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:58.559
see it. I mean I could. To me, if I were one

842
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:02.159
of you, all the witnesses,
doubt, to me would be a very

843
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:09.320
impactful moment, just because oh yeah, oh yeah, you know, because

844
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:11.880
you know, my whole family is, my whole family is watching me go

845
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:14.360
through these changes. My old colleagues, my old friends are like, what

846
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:19.519
the hell happened to Kevin Well?
As an indicated Now, yeah exactly.

847
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:26.119
I mean, did you share these
stories before? I tried to? You

848
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:29.760
know, I tried to, but
you know, who's really going to listen

849
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.239
to you? Yeah, Kevin?
You intercepted the UFO. Sure, you

850
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:36.079
know, right. They wouldn't say
that necessarily, but I could. I

851
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:43.039
could read it in their eyes and
their mannerisms, and I didn't really blame

852
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.880
them, right, Yeah, I
hear you. I mean it's a hard

853
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:47.920
thing. It's a heart it's a
hard thing to believe, you know,

854
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.800
Yeah, it really is. And
I think people just don't know how to

855
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:55.519
react, yeah, or they don't
know how, they don't know what to

856
01:05:55.559 --> 01:06:00.239
say, how to react and had
a head full of questions of it,

857
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.360
you know. Yeah, so,
and I'm sure you have a lot of

858
01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:08.280
pride for your career in the Navy, and that you think you know that

859
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:15.559
you are proud of your affiliation with
the Navy. Uh So, an acknowledgment

860
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.599
from the Navy that you're not crazy. You experienced something that's that's really genuinely

861
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:28.079
strange that we can't figure out must
be really important. Yeah, it was

862
01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:31.960
a goal I was after. It's
it's been accomplished. Mm hmmm. Yeah,

863
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:35.719
and that's next for us For me, I don't know, but you

864
01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:38.480
know, And as a matter of
fact, I have to say this,

865
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:42.599
if this is my fifteen minutes of
fame, I'm happy with that. I

866
01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:45.920
could easily I could easily fade away
and go back to my quiet life.

867
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:48.840
It wouldn't bother me at all.
Uh huh. Yeah, you've had your

868
01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:53.960
accomplish your goal. It's just an
acknowledgment that you know, Yeah, you're

869
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.320
not crazy, that this is something
that happened. I mean, you think

870
01:06:56.320 --> 01:07:00.719
about it in terms of, you
know, there's a huge difference between confirmation

871
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:08.800
and disclosure, huge difference. Describe
those differences in your mind. Well,

872
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:11.679
and I'll put it this way,
in terms of that we confirmed the existence

873
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:15.119
of nuclear weapons, but we can't
confirm nor to deny that we have any

874
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:19.039
that would be disclosure. Gotcha,
the same way with this phenomenon. It

875
01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:23.559
Yeah, we confirmed that it's there, but we can't confirm nor deny we

876
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:28.440
know what it is that would be
disclosure. And what's happened now is the

877
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:33.199
Navy has confirmed they exist. So
confirmation has happened. That's a huge that's

878
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:38.840
a huge success as far as I
know, that's never happened before. No,

879
01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:44.199
I mean, it hasn't. It's
it's shocking and it's you know to

880
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:48.000
me, it's happen. Yeah,
yeah, I mean it's completely shocking and

881
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:51.639
it's huge. And like you said, you know, to the Stars had

882
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:56.320
a lot to do with that,
which is another fundation. I'm so proud

883
01:07:56.320 --> 01:08:00.400
of those guys. Yeah, and
you you all, all of you credible

884
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:04.440
witnesses coming forward. I was a
real minor part of that. They those

885
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:09.440
guys did ninety nine point nine percent
of that work. Believe me, well,

886
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:12.719
they couldn't have done it without you
all stepping forward. I don't think,

887
01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.159
I mean, thank you for that. The Navy even acknowledged that,

888
01:08:15.359 --> 01:08:19.560
you know, all of these credible
people coming forward are guys coming forward,

889
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:25.720
you know, so that that,
you know, gave them the the something

890
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:29.199
to work with, so, you
know, at the same time, without

891
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:32.000
without the help of two of the
stars, I don't think I eventually would

892
01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:35.760
have maybe accomplished that, but would
have taken a hell of a lot longer.

893
01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:40.800
And I was working on it.
That was we had people coming out.

894
01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:45.479
Dave Baty and I have connected with
a lot of the shipmates that have

895
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:47.680
seen this, and we were getting
ready to go to Congress and tell them

896
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:54.199
and hopefully you have them change the
policy. But it's already happened. M

897
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.600
Our work's been done. So did
you have a bunch of people get ahold

898
01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:02.159
of you, friends or family or
after the Navy made that announcement, Oh

899
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:08.119
yeah, my Facebook pages exploded.
Yeah, and what were they saying?

900
01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:14.439
Congrats, hanging there, keep it
up, We're proud of you. Were

901
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:18.319
you shocked by some of the people
who contacted you. I'm hearing from people

902
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:24.920
I had heard from in fifteen years. Wow, And that's really a cool

903
01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:29.880
part of this story. Just to
reconnect with a bunch of people, a

904
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:33.840
lot of my former shipmates, I
mean, that's really really cool. That

905
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:39.439
is so incredible. So you plan
to at least, you know, continue

906
01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:43.319
on with your book. You're gonna
you're gonna update that and get that out

907
01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:45.399
there, and uh, I guess
what are your plans for the future.

908
01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:50.359
Well, I'm kind of chocked and
blocked here for the next several months because

909
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:55.119
you know, History Channel's coming out
end of this month, and I've also

910
01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:59.479
been interviewed by Discovery Channel, and
I was just last week interviewed by the

911
01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:03.199
Science Oh great, and they're all
doing they're all doing a docu series on

912
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:08.439
the same subject, and I will
appear in all those cable cable TV shows.

913
01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:11.880
Mm hmm. Well, I hope
they all do a good job with

914
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:15.079
it, because it is you know, people get worried. There's been a

915
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.600
lot of people thinking, oh my
gosh, you know, to the Stars

916
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:20.880
is going to work with the same
people, the same television, you know

917
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:24.960
channel that's working with Ancient Aliens.
They're going to mess it up. But

918
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:28.359
I have seen, like I said, that first episode. Have you been

919
01:10:28.359 --> 01:10:31.359
able to watch it yet? I
haven't. They're holding it back for me

920
01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:35.199
for some reason. I'm you know, and I'm to see it or anything.

921
01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:38.920
I haven't asked to see it or
anything, because if it gets leaked,

922
01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:41.960
I don't I don't want to be
on that suspect list exactly. I

923
01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:44.199
told Louis. I told lou a
long time ago. I say, hey,

924
01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:46.359
lou Man, I know you know
you got my support, and in

925
01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:49.239
fact, please don't tell me anything. I don't need to know because if

926
01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:53.000
it gets leaked, I don't want
you to suspect it was me, right,

927
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:56.399
I know that feeling kind of left
them alone. I've left them alone

928
01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:59.800
pretty much, mm hmm. Yeah, and that makes sense. And I

929
01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:01.079
mean I have it, and a
few of us in the media have it

930
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:04.399
just because they you know, we
often get early looks, but you know,

931
01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:09.640
so we can write reviews. But
they trust us because they've done this

932
01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:13.319
for us in the past too.
And you know, you get you mentioned

933
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:15.359
aachent Aliens and they wanted to interview
me too, but I was like,

934
01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:24.000
I can't. You know why I
can't because because there's people will counting on

935
01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:28.000
me to keep the credibility the story
high. Yeah, and I don't want

936
01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:36.279
to associate the story with anything that's
really that's questionable. I mean, there's

937
01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:42.439
been some shows on ancient Aliens or
they're really really highly speculative, and I

938
01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:45.199
just wanted to stay away from that. I didn't want to do anything to

939
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:50.640
damage the credibility of this story.
Whisoever that makes sense, and I think

940
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:54.039
some people will question, well,
we don't why are you talking to these

941
01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:59.479
other people? But I personally don't
feel that this History Channel show, at

942
01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:01.520
least from the first episode that comes
out, it's going to damage the credibility.

943
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:04.039
I think it's going to do the
opposite. When you have people like

944
01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:10.640
to Chris Mellen and Too and lou
Elizano, you know, championing this thing,

945
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:14.560
and then the high credibility of all
of you witnesses, it's h it's

946
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:17.399
a really exciting time. Other witnesses
that have come out that are on that

947
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:23.319
show I've heard that haven't come out
public will be the first their first public

948
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:27.560
appearance. I guess, right right, you can probably confirm that that.

949
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:31.600
Yeah, there's I've had a lot
of people that have seen it tell me

950
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:36.880
it's incredibly well done. Yeah,
and I hope it's true, because yeah,

951
01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:41.279
I hope it's true. It is. I think that they that they'll

952
01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:45.039
do you proud. I think it's
great. So and I was worried,

953
01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:48.359
but you know what, thank you
so much for joining the show. We're

954
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:51.680
pretty much out of time. But
also, you know, thank you for

955
01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:57.359
for having the courage to come forward, because not everybody does, especially in

956
01:12:57.399 --> 01:13:01.359
your position, most don't. And
I personally, you know from looking at

957
01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:05.000
all of this material. Sure there
was Chris and Lou and others behind the

958
01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:10.039
scene because they knew who to talk
to. But if it wasn't for you

959
01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:14.600
witnesses that you know, willing to
step forward, that they could say,

960
01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:16.319
hey, look, here's the guys
who were involved. Here's what they've told

961
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:19.720
us. This is the real deal, you know, And I know you

962
01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:25.600
get the sense too, And I
believe this through looking at this the history

963
01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:29.880
that when the Air Force or the
Navy pooh pooh ufo stories, there's a

964
01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:33.319
lot of talk in the background they
don't like, you know, not backing

965
01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:38.399
up their people. And I think
there's some pride involved here where you know,

966
01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:41.880
we're going to back our guys.
If our guys have a strange experience,

967
01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:45.319
we're gonna we're gonna look into this
and take them seriously. And maybe

968
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:48.840
he's a great Navy is a great
organization. They do definitely care about their

969
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:53.880
people, I'll tell you that.
So it's just wonderful to see this new

970
01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:56.920
kind of movement to taking the stuff
seriously, and I think it's going to

971
01:13:57.000 --> 01:13:59.760
lead to into some important stuff.
And we all have to come here,

972
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:02.199
right, I mean, we all
have to as a as a society,

973
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:08.000
except that it's okay to look into
stuff that we don't that might be a

974
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:12.199
little strange to us, to figure
out, you know, more about our

975
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:15.640
world, the world we live in. It's happening, whether the world wants

976
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:19.399
it or not. It's it's happening
now. M M. Cats out of

977
01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:24.199
the bag on this. Yeah,
yeah, exactly. Well, thank you

978
01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:26.840
so much for coming on the show. We'll definitely have to talk to you

979
01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:30.560
again in the future, my honor, and I can't wait to meet you

980
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:32.920
in person. Yeah, let's do
this again after some more news breaks and

981
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:39.479
it's about to there's been I've been
interviewed by a major newspaper and I won't

982
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.479
even hit who it was, but
yeah, there's a lot of stuff happening,

983
01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:45.800
all right, It's all about to
happen. People are about to find

984
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:49.479
out about it sort of that way. That is awesome, good to hear.

985
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:53.600
I know, it's a really exciting
time. Thank you, sir,

986
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:56.760
Thank you. You have a great
one, and thank you again. So

987
01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:00.359
much for coming on. All right, Hello, thank you so so much

988
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:02.520
to Kevin Dave for joining us on
the show. You know, there was

989
01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:06.000
a question I wanted to ask him, and others have of course, you

990
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:11.520
know, he's done quite a few
interviews and others have talked about this.

991
01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:16.840
But he did say that the radar
CEC and comms, the communications recordings from

992
01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:23.359
that whole event there at the NIMTZ
were confiscated, so someone came on board

993
01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:27.399
and took those away. So that
is sort of interesting. So even though

994
01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:30.560
I talked about, you know,
we don't have evidence of this major conspiracy

995
01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:35.680
kind of pulling the strings behind the
events that are occurring. We do have

996
01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:41.840
evidence that somebody's collecting information. We
don't know who exactly, but people are

997
01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:46.640
collecting information on these topics. And
remember that Loue Alizondo has told us that

998
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:51.000
the Pentagon program that he was a
part of still exists today, so that

999
01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:57.680
organization is still ongoing, and that
there are other organizations. So who knows

1000
01:15:57.720 --> 01:16:00.960
where, what, who and when
we are Also, I have to remember

1001
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:03.920
often these things get very siloed.
Of course we've learned this from John Alexander

1002
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:09.039
as well, So it doesn't mean
that all of these organizations share information with

1003
01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:15.920
each other. The other thing to
remember is that you know Alisondo even though

1004
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:18.079
this program's going on, that he
doesn't even know what the new name of

1005
01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:21.600
the program. They changed their name
from a tip to something else. So

1006
01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:28.399
there are people collecting information. Hopefully, like Lewis told us before, they

1007
01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:31.520
will be sharing that information publicly in
the future, at least what they can

1008
01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:36.560
share that isn't classified. So we'll
see what's going on. Like Kevin says,

1009
01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:42.279
we have an interesting future ahead of
us in all of this information.

1010
01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:46.119
So I've got links below to the
books and the information that Kevin talked about

1011
01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:50.039
if you want to check some of
that stuff out and keep an eye out

1012
01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:55.279
for Unidentified. It's a really good
show that starts on May thirty first,

1013
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:59.119
so and like I said, we'll
have Lou soon after that first show to

1014
01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:02.560
talk on the air. Also,
I want to say congratulations to David Marlar.

1015
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Some of you saw that I posted
some pictures in my social media that's

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01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:12.520
where I was this weekend in Albuquerque
for David Marlar's wedding. David Marler is

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01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:16.199
the guy who wrote the book about
triangular UFOs. Really cool guy. We've

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01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:19.039
talked about him recently as well,
because he's been in the news and he

1019
01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:25.159
was also talked out here at Phoenix
move On fairly regularly or recently, but

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01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:30.439
always check him out. He's definitely
a very credible place or incredible reference for

1021
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:36.960
information on this topic. Otherwise,
the International UFO Congress, of course,

1022
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:41.720
is coming up. We've got tickets
that are posted. Tickets are out there,

1023
01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:45.479
so check that out until July thirty. First, you'll get discounted prices.

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01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:50.159
You'll see the early bird specials essentially, so go to Ufocongress dot com

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01:17:50.199 --> 01:17:55.399
to see that. Also, you'll
also notice that there are more and more

1026
01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:59.359
speakers being listed, so check that
on a regular basis. In fact,

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01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:00.680
if you want to see too any
of you that are going to be an

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01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:04.279
organ at McMinnville, Karen and I
will be there. Essentially, we're just

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01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:06.319
going to check it out, so
we won't have a booth that you can

1030
01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:10.720
come and visit, but keep an
eye out for us and say hello,

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01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:14.840
and you could probably see us hanging
out with some of our buddies like Jeremy

1032
01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:17.560
Corbel and George Knapp, So that's
going to be a lot of fun.

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01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:20.960
I haven't been there before to that, but people say it's always a lot

1034
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:26.039
of fun, so we're excited to
check that out this weekend, so hopefully

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01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:31.479
we'll see some of you there.
Also, finally, my Patreon, so

1036
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:35.079
of course I've been asking you all
to go to my Patreon and become a

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01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:39.319
member. You know, you can
do so for as little as a buck

1038
01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:43.359
a month, and many many of
you have been doing that, so thank

1039
01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:45.600
you all so so much for that. In fact, I'll look it up

1040
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:51.439
and I'll say hey to some of
you who have joined recently. But there

1041
01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:57.039
are some posts there that are exclusive
for you all, so only you all

1042
01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:00.000
can see that. And in fact, I posted on there a T shoe

1043
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:04.039
that I have from Roswell last year, and this is a giveaway. So

1044
01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:06.720
I'm going to do this. I
have to be careful with the wording on

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01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:12.680
Patreon, so essentially what I'll do
is I'll put up a featured item that

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01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:17.199
you only the patrons can see.
And what that featured item is really is

1047
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:19.600
a giveaway. So if you like
it, you know if it's the right

1048
01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:23.399
size. For instance, this is
a large T shirt. If you wear

1049
01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:27.640
a large and you like the T
shirt, make a comment in that Patreon

1050
01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:32.000
patroon thing, and then those in
a couple of days, I'll choose a

1051
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:34.600
winner from everybody who says, hey, I like that, I want it,

1052
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:38.720
and so I'll send that to you. And I'll continue to do this

1053
01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:41.239
on a regular basis. I have
more T shirts, and I got more

1054
01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:45.760
cool stuff that I'll be giving away
over the next few weeks and months,

1055
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:47.720
and I'll probably continue to get cool
stuff, so I'll always continue to give

1056
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:50.800
stuff away. But that's just a
thank you to all of the patrons who

1057
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:55.039
are helping me out here. And
of course some of you might say,

1058
01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:58.319
hey man, why don't you give
it away to everybody? Well, it's

1059
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:00.880
easy to become a patron. Just
go over to the Patreon site. Become

1060
01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:04.399
a patron for as little as a
buck a month, and you'll be in

1061
01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:08.960
the loop. Not only that,
I'm sharing cool audio and video from the

1062
01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:12.720
different cool stuff that we do,
so you can be sure that I will

1063
01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:18.640
be sharing some cool stuff from this
weekend at the mcmonville Mcmanagus I think that's

1064
01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:25.680
what it's called Mcmanamus, something like
that Oregon UFO festival. Otherwise, I

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01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:29.760
want to thank Caleb Hanks for the
opening end closed music. I want to

1066
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:33.479
thank Systematics for the bumper music,
and I want to thank Martin Willis a

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01:20:33.520 --> 01:20:38.359
podcast UFO for joining us with the
news, and of course, as usual,

1068
01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:42.159
I want to thank you for joining
us once again. As I talked

1069
01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:45.560
about earlier in the show, We've
got some exciting interviews lined up, so

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01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:51.600
we'll be talking to you next week. Until next time, Audio smooth chutos.

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01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:59.199
Hello, this is a little added
bonus that I'm adding on to the

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01:20:59.479 --> 01:21:02.680
end of the show. Show here. This is being recorded right before I

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01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:09.079
post it because there is a big
piece of news that just happened, which

1074
01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:15.479
is that my good friend and the
patriarch of Eufology, Stanton Friedman, passed

1075
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:21.119
away today. It's a very sad
day for me. He was a mentor

1076
01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:29.239
an inspiration. Of course, if
you've listened to my podcast over the years,

1077
01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:33.840
Stanton and I debated about some things. But what was wonderful about Stanton

1078
01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:39.760
is that he loved to debate.
He really well when we I first started

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01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:44.800
sharing that, you know, I
had a different perspective than his on things

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01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:46.840
like the MK twelve documents. You
know, he was excited, well,

1081
01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:49.760
let's debate about it, Let's talk
about it. You know, he loved

1082
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:55.279
that, and he did what we
try to do at the Open minds UFO

1083
01:21:55.359 --> 01:22:00.560
group, which is try to debate. I'll be open to various points of

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01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:08.119
view and to debate these things without
you know, being cruel to one another,

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01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:14.880
while still respecting one another. And
I think that that is very important,

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01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:18.079
and that that is a lesson that
I hope we all can learn,

1087
01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:21.119
is that, you know, we
all have different perspectives. Some of my

1088
01:22:21.159 --> 01:22:24.800
best friends in this field, all
of my best friends in this field,

1089
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:28.239
some of them I have, you
know, slightly different views. Some of

1090
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:32.159
them I have greatly differing views.
And that's okay. It doesn't mean we

1091
01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:36.439
need to demonize or be cruel to
one another. We can still talk about

1092
01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:42.840
these things and debate our facts and
points and respect each other for having different

1093
01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:47.840
points of view, just like Stanton
Friedman did and Stan Friedman. It was

1094
01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:54.520
just a wonderful person for so many
reasons. I think we're just extremely we

1095
01:22:54.960 --> 01:23:00.439
were extremely lucky to have him.
My sympathies go to his family and his

1096
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:06.880
friends, of which you know,
many of my regular guests are because he's

1097
01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:11.560
like, you know, almost like
family. We see each other at so

1098
01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:16.039
many of these different events and spend
time with one another, help one another,

1099
01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:23.520
go through a hard time, sometimes
with one another, and he'll just

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01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:28.960
be greatly greatly missed by myself,
and I know, you know, the

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01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:34.279
entire community, and we've lost a
major leader. I'm wearing my Alan j.

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01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:40.000
Heinick shirt and I never got to
meet doctor Alan j. Heinick,

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01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:45.439
but I did get to spend a
lot of time with with Stanton Friedman,

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01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:48.720
who is another legend in this build, and he'll be remembered that way.

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01:23:49.319 --> 01:23:55.479
And you know, I think at
these times we just have to remember how

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01:23:55.560 --> 01:24:00.600
lucky we were to have so much
time with, you know, these people

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01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:08.079
who pass. And I wanted to
make sure and make that note on this

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01:24:08.279 --> 01:24:15.199
very sad but very special day of
remembrance and celebration of a wonderful person that

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01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:17.439
we were all very lucky to have