WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:09.119 Welcome to Idemics Performance and Wellness, where world leading coaches and scientists explain how 2 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:16.719 their research can help you achieve your personal and professional goals. Foster hi It's 3 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:21.359 Sanjayanti, co founder and CEO of Idemics Coaching. Coaching has played an important 4 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:24.440 role in my life. It's helped me through my journey to become a powerful 5 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:29.519 leader, mother and wife. IDMX coaches help you increase your self awareness, 6 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:33.359 improve your problem solving skills, and evolve your habits to achieve your goals, 7 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:36.920 all things I'm grateful to have learned and done through my own coaching journey. 8 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:41.640 Our easy one minute assessment matches you with an Idemics coach that best fits your 9 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:46.359 needs and values. 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In these episodes, 17 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:25.640 Jamie and I will tackle various topics in coaching, performance and wellness to 18 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:30.079 break them down. To kick us off, we're going to talk today about 19 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.000 the connection between those three topics. We throw those words around a lot, 20 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.879 and the connections sometimes aren't always self evident. To kick us off, We're 21 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:44.560 going to go through five rapid fire questions. Yes or no answers only allowed. 22 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:52.920 So Number one, is coaching only remedial? No? Okay? Is 23 00:01:53.000 --> 00:02:00.239 coaching the same as therapy? No? Is life coaching the only time of 24 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:06.799 coaching? No? Can I get coaching that will help me in my career? 25 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:13.680 Absolutely? And is coaching just for sports and fitness? And no? 26 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:20.520 Excellent? Great. So let's start by talking about, as you were saying, 27 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:25.840 this connection between performance and wellness and coaching, and let's talk about what 28 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:32.439 are those ties? How is coaching connective performance and wellness generally? Big picture? 29 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:39.159 So I think the three are so closely intertwined in my mind, and 30 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:46.960 maybe the best analogy that comes to my mind to explain this is when any 31 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:52.280 of us thinks about our health and goes to a doctor. We don't just 32 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:54.240 go to a doctor when we have a problem. We do that too, 33 00:02:54.960 --> 00:03:00.879 but we also go to a doctor to get a health check, to talk 34 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:06.159 through where we are, what problems we might be experiencing, and the doctor 35 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:14.800 acts as a thought partner to us in helping us both analyze and understand our 36 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:21.280 own goals for ourselves and then creating a roadmap to get there. So and 37 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:24.759 in the medical world we think of that as preventative medicine. But in the 38 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:29.560 coaching world, how do we think about that, Because it's not necessarily preventative, 39 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:32.439 right, We're not preventing problems, but we are using a coach to 40 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:37.000 do what. In that sense, I think we're using a coach as a 41 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:42.159 thought partner to enhance our performance and wellness. Right, So, whether that's 42 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:46.520 our performance in our professional lives, in our personal lives, in our familiar 43 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:53.000 relationships, and that ties directly to our mental and physical wellness in terms of 44 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:59.280 our self esteem, our self confidence, the closeness and intimacy we feel, 45 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:02.360 and the relationships that are important to us in our lives. And so in 46 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:08.199 a sense, it's really like a flywheel, right, Because if you're performing 47 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:14.039 and you feel well, and you're able to get the thought partnership of a 48 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:20.040 coach to do those two things, then you're really achieving your best self right 49 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:26.199 because you're achieving your goals, you're doing it with an advisor, as a 50 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:31.240 coach who's on side, who you can really use to get objective advice and 51 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:35.639 to actually clearly roadmap your pathway to get to the goals you're trying to achieve. 52 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:42.800 And before we dive into the process, actually, why should I work 53 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:45.560 with a coach for example, or why should someone work with a coach as 54 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:51.040 opposed to talking to a friend. That's a great question I would put it. 55 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:57.079 I think the best way I have of putting it is whether it's your 56 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:04.199 friend, your brother, sister, parent, spouse, everybody in your life 57 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:10.839 that you know and have a relationship with is a self interested party. A 58 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:16.720 coach that you develop a relationship with is really an objective outsider. Their job 59 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:21.839 in a sense, is to be your thought partner and provide that objective advice. 60 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:27.680 And because there's no other relationship that pre exists, they're able to do 61 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.920 that. I think it's hard for friends to do that. I've definitely found 62 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:35.600 it's really hard both for me to do it as a partner to my husband, 63 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:40.600 it's equally hard, I think for my husband to do it as a 64 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:45.639 partner to me, because in the back of your mind are always the considerations 65 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:51.040 around the nature of your relationship with that person and the future of that relationship. 66 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:55.680 Yes. Well, actually reminds me of a personal story that I have 67 00:05:55.759 --> 00:06:00.759 where I had a friend who came to me seeking advice around a problem that 68 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:06.480 she was having. And ultimately, while I pride myself on being direct and 69 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:13.759 honest, because I'm thinking long term about you know, what happens if there's 70 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:18.120 one outcome up to this problem versus another outcome if I advise and speak about 71 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:23.720 it in one way down the road, it could impact our friendship. Yes, 72 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:27.759 And so to your point about you know, having advice from friends. 73 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.360 As friends, we want to be as open as honest as possible, but 74 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:35.800 we always have an interest as well, right in whatever we're advising. On 75 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:39.079 the contrary, I will say that, you know, one of the things 76 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:44.720 that I've always heard our coaches on the IDMX talk about is this fact that 77 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:49.079 they are a servant leader, so they are really there and to have the 78 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:54.680 best outcome for you, right, without that level of self interest, and 79 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:59.399 that's what being a servant leader actually is. Yeah, that term is so 80 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:08.199 interesting because it's entered a lot of organizational behavior and performance and management and leadership 81 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:13.560 discussions, and I think we understand what it means in that context, but 82 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:20.839 I think it's so applicable to coaching because the coach really is acting as a 83 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:27.360 servant leader for each client as an individual or a team if they're working with 84 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:34.879 a group of people, to help both achieve the goals of that individual or 85 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:42.839 team, but equally to really serve their interests very directly. Right. I 86 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:47.680 think that's where the individualization of coaching is very different from any other learning or 87 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:55.600 development methodology that you could access. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely cool. Shall 88 00:07:55.600 --> 00:08:01.199 we dive into sort of coaching and the different steps that somebody would go through 89 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.800 if they work with a coach, Yeah, because I think so many people 90 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.959 have a question on what coaching actually is, like, what does it constitute, 91 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.279 what does it mean in terms of the process that you go through in 92 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:20.240 working with a coach. So you know, we'll start with the first step 93 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:24.360 that you and I've been talking about, which is really this evaluative step, 94 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:30.160 and really that step looks at three things. Do you want to talk about 95 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.879 the three things that we contemplate in that step? Actually, so I'm going 96 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.840 to address too, and then you should address the third. But I think 97 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:45.279 you know, first where are you today? Right? And second where are 98 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:50.080 you trying to get to? And third? And then the third is looking 99 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:56.399 at all the forces that influence your thinking around what you think you want and 100 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:03.320 what you think where you think you're going. That's your internal dialogue or inner 101 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:09.200 critics, which is often said as well as the external forces, the messaging 102 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.919 that you get from your social circles, your family, your friends, that 103 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:16.240 tells you this is these are the things I should should have and want in 104 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.720 my life. Yeah. Absolutely, And I want to go back to the 105 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:26.000 doctor analogy here because it's it's I think, a really good illustration. When 106 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:33.360 we go to the doctor, the doctor asks you a series of questions about 107 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.639 exactly where you are today, right, how are you feeling, what would 108 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:43.279 you want to improve, what problems are you having? And when you articulate 109 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:50.039 those goals and how you're feeling today, They also then ask you where you're 110 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:54.200 trying to get to right, and then they begin asking you a series of 111 00:09:54.279 --> 00:10:01.000 questions about the circumstances of your life. What are the external force that surround 112 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:03.440 you? Do you have time to get enough sleep? Do you get enough 113 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:09.440 exercise? Do you eat healthy enough of a diet? So there's so many 114 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:13.600 elements where they're acting as a thought partner to you in much the same way 115 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.240 that a coach does, I think for an individual, and particularly at that 116 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:22.679 first stage where people were trying to think through sort of that sort of introspection 117 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.120 period of who am I, what do I want? Where am I going? 118 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.080 And then we moved to the second phase. Once you sort of have 119 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:39.919 done that identification process, then we move into sort of this clarification phase where 120 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:46.559 the coach really weighs in and helps somebody identify what their goals really are. 121 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:48.919 Do you want to talk a little bit about that, yeah, I sort 122 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.639 of A recent example comes to mind. Some months ago, I tore my 123 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:58.960 ACL and I went to the doctor, and the discussion we had was reading 124 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:05.279 caused me to be very introspective because obviously I wanted my ACL to heal and 125 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.840 my need to be better. But the doctor asked me a series of questions 126 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:16.360 which oriented around what were my goals in terms of the activity level I wanted 127 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.720 to have. Was I going to be fine not skiing again? Did I 128 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:26.039 want to get on the tennis court again and play competitively? And those goals 129 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:31.879 were incredibly important because the treatment plan that we then put together in terms of 130 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:35.000 the physio, whether I required surgery or not and so on, was all 131 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:43.879 dictated by those goals that I had articulated. Yes, and so very much 132 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:50.480 in that way, a coach comes in and will help you figure out what 133 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.440 that help you figure out what steps and what questions to ask so that you 134 00:11:54.480 --> 00:12:00.519 can analyze where you want to go, which leads us then to the third 135 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:05.240 step, which is the roadmap step. So I think the roadmap is probably 136 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:09.519 the single most important thing. You know. There's been so much research and 137 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:15.720 literature on this around goal setting and then goal achievement, right, and lots 138 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:20.000 of people are great at setting goals. What they're less good at, especially 139 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:26.440 when they're big goals like I want to become the CEO of my company or 140 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:31.120 I want to start a new business. Those are big goals, and it's 141 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:37.519 really a necessity to take those big goals and break them down into a series 142 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:41.120 of smaller goals, which then results in a roadmap, right, Like, 143 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:43.559 what are you going to do first, second, third, et cetera. 144 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:52.159 And that process I think a coach is particularly and uniquely trained to take someone 145 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:58.440 through. And really I think it's dissecting big goals into smaller incremental steps to 146 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:03.000 them create the behavior change. And it reminds me of a story of a 147 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:09.639 friend of mine who worked for a big corporation. They had a huge workshop. 148 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.919 First, it was a hybrid setup where they had a workshop and then 149 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:20.279 they had in one individual or maybe two individual sessions with a coach, and 150 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.840 my friend working in this big organization said, what was the workshop topic that 151 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:33.200 I don't I don't remember, but it was around it was empowered communication or 152 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:37.360 something along those lines, right, yes, yeah, And so my friend 153 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:41.679 when she met with the coach said that, you know, people who speak 154 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.639 first and speak the loudest are the ones that are heard, and I can't 155 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.039 do that, so I do not My voice is not heard in these meetings. 156 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.840 So how do I how do I make sure that I'm seen and I'm 157 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:58.600 heard? And the coach then proceeds to tell ask delve into well why is 158 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:03.080 it that you don't speak out at meetings? And her thinking around this was 159 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.840 well, because I think it's rude to speak up and talk when other people 160 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:09.919 are talking, but again, those are the people who are getting heard. 161 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.960 And so the coach gave her a very practical exercise. She said, Okay, 162 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:20.759 this week, I want you to interrupt as many people as possible so 163 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:26.320 that you make sure that your voice is heard in these meetings. And she 164 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:28.919 did. She did that, and it was I think for her it was 165 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:35.320 actually a very empowering and freeing exercise to go through to have somebody tell her 166 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:41.480 it's okay to do something that in your mind and the way that you frame 167 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.120 it feels rude, but it is okay in this environment, in this situation, 168 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:50.440 it is okay if your goal is to be seen and heard in your 169 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.840 organization. It's a total rewiring and kind of reframing, right that the coach 170 00:14:54.879 --> 00:15:01.679 really helped your friend do around her mindset on how to participate in these meetings 171 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.440 with the group, because if you commet it from that perspective, you've really 172 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:07.320 got to shift your thinking. And lots of people can shift their thinking, 173 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:13.960 but do they shift their behavior. And this was such a practical tool for 174 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:20.200 her to actually begin to develop the muscle memory around how to change yes, 175 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:26.320 yes, and oftentimes even when we know that doing something different will get us 176 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:31.440 what we want, also we need that permission, and that's what a coach 177 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:35.440 oftentimes does. It gives us that permission to say it's okay to do this, 178 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:43.039 to behave in this way that feels completely unnatural to you. And I 179 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:48.039 think it really helped her in her group to feel like, Okay, I 180 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.440 can do this. Yeah, I think so. We see this in so 181 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:56.120 much of the work that we do, where idemics coaches work with both individuals 182 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:02.840 and teams in companies with individuals on their own. There's this question often when 183 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:06.799 you get to the end of you know whatever time of working with a coach, 184 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.000 of what comes next, right, And I think that takes us straight 185 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:15.440 into step four, which is this idea of Okay, so you make a 186 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.519 change, like your friend goes through the exercise of teaching herself how to interrupt 187 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:25.600 more and get comfortable with that. But how do you now turn that behavior 188 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:33.320 into a natural state for yourself and really begin to do it pretter naturally so 189 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:37.799 you don't have to think about it, but you just do it. And 190 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:42.759 that's an interesting piece of the coaching endeavor. Yeah, Well, I think 191 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.840 it's very interesting to think about the fact that, for example, and we'll 192 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:51.480 go back to the case of my friend, that you have to practice something 193 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:56.759 like speaking up in meetings and interrupting people. Right, That's what's interesting. 194 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.960 I think about the practice of behavior change is doing it being uncomfortable, but 195 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:04.440 feeling like it's okay to do it because somebody has told you that it is 196 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:08.720 okay to behave in this way, and then you do it. I mean, 197 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.480 just like with anything in life, whether it's like you're practicing a sport 198 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:18.319 or you know, learning music or whatever it is, you do it enough 199 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:23.519 and it becomes natural for you. Yeah, which brings us to our last 200 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:30.400 step. And I think that the important thing about the step is not just 201 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.079 thinking about it in terms of, well, Okay, I did this one, 202 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.559 I had this goal. It was broken down in these behavioral chained steps 203 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:45.640 for me. But now you know, I can take that model and apply 204 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:51.240 it elsewhere with other things that I want to do. Did we want to 205 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:53.000 talk a little bit about how like a coach, like, how coaching helps 206 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:56.440 you do that. I think, you know, one of the things that 207 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:02.480 coaching does is really help us build self awareness, right, And I think 208 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:07.759 that the system and the methodology that coaching uses, which you just talked about, 209 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:12.079 right, This idea of understanding and assessing where you are and what you're 210 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:18.400 trying to get to, going through the analysis and gaining some clarity from that 211 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:26.359 exercise and introspection, roadmapping and practicing a new behavior, and then consolidating that 212 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:33.519 behavioral change. That methodology is incredibly powerful and it's actually something that any of 213 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:38.279 us can apply to pretty much any problem that we come across or any goal 214 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:47.119 that we're focused on trying to achieve, and embedding that in ourselves to be 215 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:52.960 empowered to use that as a problem solving approach is super powerful. Yeah, 216 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.319 I mean, I think there's two sides of this. Number one is that 217 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:57.799 once you start working with a coach, it's not like a forever exercise, 218 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:03.799 right, because you learn practical skills that you can then take and are replicable 219 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.160 to other goals and areas of your life. Now that's not to say that 220 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.000 you won't ever have to, you know, call back in a coach maybe 221 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.880 to help you with some of the questions and the the increments, but at 222 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:18.359 least you have the process down and so it could be you know, you 223 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:22.200 start you work with a coach for three to six months, but then maybe 224 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:26.519 you meet with them once a year just to come back in and help you. 225 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.000 Sort of. It's a health check yeah, exactly, And the same 226 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:32.480 way you go back to the doctor to just check it and make sure that 227 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:34.920 your knee is good still, yeah, the annual checkup, right, the 228 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:41.279 annual coaching coaching checkup. And so really the last step though is sort of 229 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:47.880 making whatever behavior change, making behavior change like second nature, right, This 230 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.599 idea that if you've you've had the model laid out for you, you've done 231 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.680 it once, you understand the process, and you can actually apply it again 232 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.920 and again to other things in your life or other goals that you may want 233 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:07.680 to achieve in your life. Totally, that's I think it for today in 234 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:11.400 terms of covering this topic, We look forward to bringing you a lot of 235 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:19.000 additional interesting topics and research and coaching methodologies, as well as conversations with coaches, 236 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:26.119 conversations with researchers and scientists on all topics coaching, performance and wellness. 237 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:33.400 Thanks for joining us today, Thanks for listening. Please subscribe wherever you listen 238 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.880 and leave us a review. Find your ideal coach at www dot viidmix dot 239 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:42.759 com special thanks to our producer Martin Maluski and singer songwriter Doug Allen.