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Well Whiskey coming pain Money from Powerline
blog dot com and produced by Ricochet dot

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Com. This is the three Whiskey
Happy Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward,

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John You and power Lines International Woman
of Mystery Lucretia Gotta giving where you're being

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in loud down Loon. Welcome everybody
to a special episode of the Three Whiskey

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Happy Hour where we are going to
talk about presidents and judges and political philosophy.

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Unlike all our other episodes, right
something new, Let's have a quiet

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week where we've got one president and
rising one president declining a new vice presidential

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candidate. Immunity for everybody who knew
that the end of the end of July

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was going to be so crazy.
So I'm here joined by my two co

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hosts, Steve Hayward say Hi to
everybody, Steve Hi everybody, and the

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mysterious International Woman of Mystery Lucretia Hi
Ning John. I have to say I'm

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currently at a conference put on by
the First Liberty Organization, one of the

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outstanding groups that's been litigating religious freedom
cases all the way to the Supreme Court,

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and I have to say I got
to the Cocktail Hour thanks to Microsoft.

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I came three and a half hours
late. Well I'm going to ask

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about that. I'm to keep going. I was stuck in airport and I

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got to the cocktail party. I
missed Mike Pompeo's speech and Bill Barr speak,

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But everybody knew about the Three Whiskey
Happy Hour, and many, many

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people demanded I must reveal the identity
of Lucretia. And I was like,

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well, you're not listening closely enough, because Steve works out her name all

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the time. Well wait, no, you do, no no. Whereupon

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I was corrected and others blamed me
for blurting out Lucrecia's name all the time.

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These those others are correct. I
think I've done it a few times

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myself by accident. Guys, Okaya, we have quite the fan base in

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the legal community in the moost,
and I have to say. One of

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them was an Article three federal judge. I will protect his identity, but

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he liked the mine. The one
like the one in Denver confessed that he

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was a secret fan of the Three
Whiskey Happy Hour and can't understand why Steve

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and I constantly disagree with Lucretia.
Uh, because you know we're stubborn,

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right, isn't that If that's the
attitude on the article three courts, I

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can get behind court packing. Now
yeah, well you know, we we

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do have to acknowledge just otherwise Lucreatian
will be mad at us that she was

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right on the JD Eve chants pick. She called that one a week ago

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or whatever it was, and also
I reposted the segment of it on a

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regular post on power Line and a
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She said, you know, secret
Service is good, but they're not

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that good, and somebody's going to
take a shot at Trump because that's the

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logic of the way things are going. And so there we go. Yeah,

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it's amasy. Just the point was
is that they'll do They don't want

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to have to take Trump out because
that makes him a martyr, but they

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will if that's what's necessary. And
I actually didn't, let's be fair,

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Steve, I didn't anticipate a failed
assassination attempt, which is the worst of

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both worlds if you really think about
it, because not only did they not

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take out Trump, but they also
made him into a martyr. They made

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him into a hero. I guess
is a better way to put it,

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they made him into probably the most
important hero that we've had in politics since

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I don't know, Steve, give
me the analogy. Well, I mean

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Reagan in nineteen eighty one. I
mean there are similar effects to that.

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You know in nineteen eighty one.
What most people don't remember very well is

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that one of the many effects that
had is it caused all of the wavering

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Republicans to fall in line behind Reagan. You know, on that day in

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late March, two things were about
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are about to take the gloves off
and say Reagan's honeymoon is over and we

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have to go into attack mode,
and they had speeches prepared. Jim Wright,

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the majority of leader at the time, was about to give a speech

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I think that night, which,
of course he tore up. And Reagan's

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honeymoon period extended for another several months
and he ran the table. But more

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important was all the Republicans who were
wavering on Trump's plan fell in line because

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you know, Bob Dole and especially
Pete your Reagan's plan. What did I

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say, Who's oh sorry? Well, well, as similar things happening now,

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as the Pete Domenicci, the chair
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Committee, was opposed openly and actually
torpedo Reagan's plan in the Senate. They

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all fell in the line behind it. And now you see everybody's falling in

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the line behind Trump, even people
who have reservations about him. And we'll

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talk more about that when we get
to his speech, I think. And

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so that's one effect that's happening now
is it really ended what it was diminishing,

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But it is ended the lingering intra
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through the election and probably beyond.
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going to say, there you go
again. But it's kicked out. It's

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what it's done is it's made irrelevant
the the most vociferous faction against Trump,

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you know, the Mitt Romney's and
the Liz Cheney's and the Adam kinsingers.

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It's made them irrelevant. They're no
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Bushes weren't there, you know,
Romney wasn't there. But now they're irrelevant.

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And I think that's a really interesting
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Party. They'll have no influence for
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for them to have influence they don't
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I mean, new sources of funding
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we know. And anyway, sorry
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I just want to make that we're
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That's been such a crazy I mean, we hosted our last episode right

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before the assassination times. We have
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thought I would go in most recent
events first. And since Lucretia, as

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Steve's pointed out, has displayed Cassandra
like Cassandra like powers of prediction, and

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we all know, since we love
Roman and Greek studonyms, what happened to

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Cassandra. But since she's been so
opprescient, what do you think about whether

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Joe Biden's going to step down?
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who was going to be the replacement? What are the Democrats going to do?

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It's so nice for once to watch
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I the I think he's going to
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people now coming out publicly and not
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all the Democrats behind the scenes who
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way they're pushing Calm I left forward. I don't think there's a way not

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to have Kamala. I think that
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that came out yesterday that actually said
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all trolls, would be a possible
presidential candidate who could beat Trump or at

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least pulled better against Trump. Oh
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stop. I just I'm from Arizona, you know, I have enough activity

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with what goes on in politics and
community things that I've been at events with

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him on more than one occasion.
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by the way, is he drags
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still quite mentally savvy and it is
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from physically nonverbal, almost physically unable
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length of time, and he trots
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She really is. It's not a
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fall off a chair in the midst
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But he does that I in the
meantime, he cheats on her all

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the time. He's just a despicable
excuse for a human being. So sorry,

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got off on a tangent on that, but I just wanted to get

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that out there for all my Arizona
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on that one. I think I
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it's going to be Kamala. And
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She does have to pick a vice
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to pick, as you guys informed
me last time that I'd never thought of,

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she wouldn't have to pick a vice
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presidency. But she does have to
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pick a candidate for her. I
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I think a more interesting question,
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Biden's going to go? And who
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go back and forth in this every
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Well, right, well, wellcome
to how Trump's speech was in part

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a Jedi mind trick to keep Biden
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worked. So look, it looks
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I can go through the reasons why, but let's assume that he has to

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go that the strategy. By the
way that Mark Halpern reports, I start

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following him again. I think he's
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once, I don't know, twelve
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says that the strategy is to gradually
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him out, but try to allow
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his own terms. And he's refusing
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the only threat that would actually force
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would involve Kamela's involvement. But now, the interesting thing that no one seems

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to be shining a light on is
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Saturday morning, the Nancy Pelosi and
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this open convention or mini compressed primary
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California Democrats saying that instead of falling
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That's because they all know that she's
a knit wit and is likely to

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lose and be just as bad as
Biden, and they're hoping for a better

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candidate. I think that's the use
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what's going on in the last forty
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wait seems to me, the more
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Kamela So. And then finally this
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press reports. But I can only
imagine the infighting going on right now,

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the circular firing squads inside the White
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staff, but especially between the two
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as I say, a few details
have leaked out about, you know,

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shouting matches and bad blood meetwhile Biden's
hiding out in his home up in Delaware,

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and so I think, well,
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the way, that was you know, he could come out and say I

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have long COVID and that's why I
can't be a candidate. I can't campaign,

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but I can remain president. I
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I'll change my mind half an hour
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every few hours brings new a new
story about it and a new person saying

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he needs to go. Now it's
shared around. The senator from Ohio,

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who's in a tough race, said
Biden has to go, and so all

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by himself. Yeah, I just
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yesterday was that the Biden family were
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And you know what that would take
a promise to m Hunter, sorry

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money, you know, all of
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a hero, all of these kinds
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denied any of that was true and
came out with that, Oh, let's

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just remember who it was that brought
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these people pushed Hillry over Joe Biden, and Joe Biden was the one who'd

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defeated Trump. So let's just remember
who we need to defeat Trump again.

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Who knows what score settling is going
on through all of this. You just

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have to laugh. Oh, here's
one reason why is that the voted listener

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emailed me yesterday the latest real clear
politics pulling, which report that if the

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electric were held now Biden versus Trump, Trump would win three hundred and twenty

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five electoral votes to two hundred and
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Pennsylvania, Virginia. If you look
at the map, all that the

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Democrats would win right now would be
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California and maybe Minnesota. Yeah,
it would be a total route. Yeah,

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I mean, Nate Silver's polling work
on this, just in the last

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twenty four hours has shown a significant
uptick for Trump, maybe a convention bounce,

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maybe an actual breakout from what's been
a pretty hard ceiling for him for

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the last year. But let me
ask you this. So both of you

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seemed to think it's likely to be
Kamala, But let me ask you a

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different question. Who if you were
a Democrat, don't have a seizure,

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But if you were a Democrat,
who would be your best candidate? Who

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would you say? This is who
they should pick if they really want to

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beat Trump? Who is the best
one that's going to be? Maybe the

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Kentucky guy, the Kentucky guy,
mean, Colonel standers, No, no,

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Colonel clear the fields. And yeah, why can't I remember that?

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Andy Basheer. I. You know, out of nowhere, nobody has the

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name recognition of Kamala. But if
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from somewhere near a unified position in
the way Trump's going to be able to

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do. Someone who can actually uh, he couldn't unite the factions of the

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party, but he could appeal to
the Americans who are still maybe up for

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grab grabs and turning toward Trump and
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Would have to be somebody like that, were I a Democrat, were

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But that assumes that any Democrat is
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country and not what's just good for
the fortunes of the Democratic Party in the

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worst sense. You know. Doug
Shoan had a piece this morning, you

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know, a long time Democratic operative, and he said, look, as

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a Democrat, as a lifelong Democrat, I'm not a Trump supporter, but

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let's recognize what's happening here. This
election's over. Not only this election's over,

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because Trump has appealed to all of
these different cohorts of voters who for

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whatever reason, have been Democrats,
you know, for decades and so on,

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and the Democratic Party has nothing to
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hope for the future. No Democrat
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Republicans haven't. He just went on
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it. I know he's never been
a rabid sort of leftist, that's true

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enough. But he ended up with
saying, you know, I'm a Democrat

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not necessarily happy about this, but
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my job, he says. But
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to see this happening. I thought
that was really interesting. Again, he's

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you know, as Democratic operatives and
posters go, he's certainly not the most

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objectionable. He's always been a little
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grandstand or gaslight. But still for
him to end his his piece after saying's

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Trump's gonna win and there's nothing the
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am happy about that. Well,
the one thing they can do about it

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is pick a newer, different,
younger candidate. Look, I mean,

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the problem with Harris, aside from
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she has to carry all of Biden's
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new face, then you have a
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depending on how it's on how it
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Trump campaign and create some uncertainty.
My two names, John, I've mentioned

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them before, but let's review him
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you know, I think he'd be
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problems there. One I've mentioned before
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before that he is Jewish. Obviously, that's going to upset the progressive pro

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hamasqu wing of especially younger voters,
the Democratic Coalition. And on the other

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hand, it would bring the Jewish
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Party, who right now are I
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if you know the numbers on this
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huge portion of their big dollar fundraising. But the other thing about Shapiro I

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wonder about is, you know,
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He hasn't really lifted a finger to
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luke warm about him if he were
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know, they're on such a hair
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and education reform is a no note
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he'd actually have a problem in the
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together. I think it's a governor
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in a few ways. You know, he made a fortune in the private

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sector, so he understands economic growth. He had Art Laugher on his board

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of directors for his company. That's
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which not a brand new Laugher like
Jerry Brown too. And he's gay.

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who might be disappointed at passing over
Kamela, you still get to check off

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one of their key identity politics checkboxes. And you haven't heard that he's ambitious

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for it, But his name gets
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in the ordinary sense, an able
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next thing that happened just before all
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all the things that happened this last
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RNC Convention, we had President Trump's
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the selection of J D. Vance. First off, Lucretia, what did

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you think about Trump's speech? I
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stadium itself at the time loved it. On the other hand, I've seen

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a lot of press critiques, some
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he missed an opportunity because the first
thirty minutes of this speech were quite good,

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but then then he went off script, it seemed, and turned it

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into the traditional Trump rally speech.
Was it a good speech? Was it

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a missed opportunity? Do you think
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It was not at all a missed
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of our ilk who live and breathe
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and then shut it down and then
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you know, And to me,
one of the highlights was was seeing his

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family come up on stage. I
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Malania Trump on your by your side and

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obviously adoringly looking at you and so
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the fact that you know that the
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speech was very good. It was
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little bit long. I think that
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you know, making sure that he
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even what he mentioned Biden's name once. Yeah, right, And I think

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the fact that he was able to
take the speech past midnight was an in

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your face kind of thing to uh
to Biden as well, because we know

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Biden probably couldn't even stay up to
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you know, be a survive an
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by all of those Secret Service people
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off. I still can't wrap my
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you know, being at the convention
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minute speech, it wasn't high energy, which I heard some people complain about

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too, but it was if people
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only heard what the media has pounded
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see a different Trump, and that
I think makes it a success. The

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last thing, I just want to
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that what we really need to understand
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long as he had a written speech
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like other people's written speeches because he
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with the written speech is he was
he would have a line and it was

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the written speech, and then he
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sort of Trumpian embellishment to it,
and then he'd go back to the written

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line and then he'd do the same
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a forty five minute speech. It
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he had to add his Trumpian sort
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I thought it was a good speech. I thought it was a great convention.

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I thought the inclusion of Dana White
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guy who who you know, most
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that was designed to say to Middle
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where we hear you were the party
for you, We're not the country club

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Republicans anymore. We're not the party
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cares about what happens to you.
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whole convention was amazingly successful. So
he too, well, I'm a kid

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rock man myself. No. Well, somebody pointed out that to anyone who

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said that the Republican Convention was cheesy
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of the Democrats in nineteen ninety six
doing the macarena, and that looks pretty

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embarrassing. I have to say,
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I'm largely an agreement with Lucretia.
I think the speech was too long.

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On the other hand, I think
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First, I like to joke that
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Saturday. Yes, right, even
brought up the chart, says, oh,

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yeah, here's the charge. I
didn't get to look at it last

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time. I mean, it was
masterful about that. But he added,

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I think the count I've seen is
nine thousand words that were not in his

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text, which is a lot.
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at some of the substance of it. So first, of all, neither

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Trump nor Vance mentioned Ukraine, which
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means a preserved strategic flexibility for when
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take office or approach office. Secondly, on that point about the Secret Service,

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if anybody has a right to complain
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it'd be Trump, and he didn't
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completely magnanimous about the agents in his
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that his detail now seems to be
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least for the moment, and were
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women who were there at the rally
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detail, right. The other Trump's
Eric and Don Junior, also said the

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same thing. They said that the
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their friends for life. They're the
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the whole Trump family was magnanimous about
it all week. A sorry, yeah,

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that was kind of interesting, I
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the Biden administration directly for mismanagement and
all kinds of things, and that's going

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to come out, but he's letting
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now, as the substance of his
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speech and how much he had lived, but three other things come out at

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me. One was he spent one
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Dave Blackman, an energy geek friend
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on energy, you know, we
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do it, and attacking the green
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That is about nine hundred and fifty
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ever said about energy in an acceptance
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a big effective issue for him.
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was very effective for him to say, you know, we got to close

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the border and all the rest of
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for legal immigration. We want people
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want them to do it in an
orderly legal way. I think that works

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really well, including with a lot
of immigrants. Right. And then Democrats

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can't say that they're in a box
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that, you know jd Vance means
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dead. Uh, And I thought, well, there's something to that which

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I get On the other hand,
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have tax cuts because we need tax
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the only way we're going to be
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down the national debt. I said, hello, that is old fashioned Reaganomics,

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supply site economics. That's still there. Reaganism is not completely dead.

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Well, you have nothing to say
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You know he's bored by all that. But is it a switch in

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the direction of the Republican Party.
You've had it is and you have you

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also talk of raising pariffs, and
yeah, JD. Vans in particular,

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is has been she's he's been a
big supporter of Lena Kahan, who wants

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to be the trustbuster in the twenty
first century. And there were he attacked

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corporations and even right, I'm not
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terroriffs make me nervous, but we'll
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one he did say one thing I
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He said, look, I know
we have a lot of disagreement about

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a number of these policy ideas,
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the what is a strength for our
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intellectual matters for years, is we
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that's what makes us stronger. Democrats
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they really do a party line on
all their policies. And by the way,

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Vance said that twice if I followed
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that was quite significant because that was
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we have our ideas, but we're
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right. But I was just going
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the obsession about those silly things like
tariffs and so on, and that we

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preserve the old Reagan, the old
Reagan Party's approach to that. I think

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that what's interesting about both Trump and
and Vance is that they understand the threat

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posed by the globalists, and those
globalists include a bunch of the whatever you

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want to call them, elite establishment
Republicans and Americans understand. It's one of

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the reasons why the Republican Party gets
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of the rich, because in some
ways they have been Oh, free trade,

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we gotta have free trade. Who
does free trade help? It doesn't

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help Middle America, it doesn't help
russ Belt states and so on. Anyway,

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I don't necessarily want to get into
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because we're Republican Steve we Can,
I just wanted to point out that,

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on a call it a more generic
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no terrorists, you know, globalism, all those other things is it's

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not a winning issue right now because, if nothing else, Trump's made it

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very clear that a lot of that
attitude by our elites, whether they be

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you know, democracy me, Republican
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writ large, has really been destructive
in so many ways, and it's you

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know, people are becoming more and
more open to that. What I wanted

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to just mention quick John, if
you don't mind, There was an article

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in Politico. Of all things,
God, Politico has become awful, But

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it was interesting other than the you
know, the way that they have to

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they have to concede certain things and
make it sound like it's terrible, it

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was more or less factually correct.
And that was on the subject of immigration

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and that Trump has in fact completely
changed. Call it the narrative, call

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it the whatever you want to call
it about immigration. If you think,

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say twenty years back, ten years
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first ran in twenty sixteen, the
entire establishment political establishment was over here on

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I'm sorry you can't see me.
There was so little difference on the immigration

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debate because Republicans wanted it pretty much
unchecked immigration as much as Democrats did,

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and they wanted you know, cheap
labor, and they wanted the Chamber of

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Commerce nonsense. And one of the
things that the political article pointed out was

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that even the bipartisan immigration bill that
didn't pass this last year did not include

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a pathway for citizenship, the first
time that a bipartisan immigration reform bill had

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ever not done so. And what
we see now is the polls. Not

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only are people not in favor of
a pathway to citizenship, they're in favor

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of mass deportation. And Trump did
that. Now, Trump did that,

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and Biden made it so so in
your face salient that Trump had a perfect

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thing to run on, you know, sending all of these illegal immigrants to

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destroy blue cities. You know,
God, those people are idiots sometimes,

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you know. But anyway, I
wonder what you think about that. Well,

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I have but to something view on
trade. Yeah I do too.

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You want to go for me?
Yeah, well, I mean there are

408
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very few you guys are social scientists. There are very few things laws of

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social scientists that really laws. The
law of comparative advantage is just one of

410
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the few correct ones, I think. Now. The problem is that it

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affects the country differently. So the
right the economists answer is the overall the

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country benefits from free trade enormously,
but you have to figure out a way

413
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to compensate parts of the population that
are disrupted. But I'm going to go

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get coffee. Discussed this, Oh
no, you need no stick around.

415
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Does have a static, a static
economy where everybody keeps their jobs and works

416
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in the same industry. If it
wasn't so corrupt and skewed, I'd probably

417
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go along with that. Well,
so, by the way, the funny

418
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:29.119
thing here is, John, I
was going to agree with you until you

419
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open your mouth and you insulted us
by calling a social scientist. But the

420
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second let me do it this way. I'm gonna Lucasian's getting coffee, which

421
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:43.160
is a mistake because I'm going to
say, what we really need is Reaganite

422
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.160
trade prudence. See, this is
what you're leaving out, John, is

423
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the trade Well, I'll tell you
what that is. Uh. You know,

424
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when Reagan was president, he talked
up free trade of time. That

425
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was his principle and by the way, NAFTA was his idea. Although whether

426
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he would have approved of the final
treaty that came out is less clear to

427
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me. But leave that aside for
Trader. I mean, but ah,

428
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but you see, in practice he
wasn't John. He was. He very

429
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selectively imposed a lot of tariffs and
uh, you know what the trade punishments.

430
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I forget what they call those things
on Japan, uh, and especially

431
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Japan. And now we did that
sometimes under political pressure to forestall because you

432
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go back to the eighties there was
a bipartisan consensus in Congress and favor of

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protectionism and raising tariffs. They got
it lost. I agree with all that.

434
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But the point is is Reagan talk
free trade and practice selective protectionism.

435
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For Hardy Davidson and you know,
certain other places libertarians still attack him for

436
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that. And what I say is
he did some policies that you and I

437
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.440
might think are bad, but he
did it to forestall something worse happening.

438
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:52.359
Well, let's slip it around.
I think today what I would hope to

439
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:59.279
see is some selective and shrewd trade
measures against China for their cheating and so

440
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forth, and I'm not sure who
else, but uh, but then then

441
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.440
essentially practice free trade with everybody else. Yeah, free traders would recognize that

442
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.440
you don't have to you know,
you don't have to trade with people who

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00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:17.239
are stealing your intellectual property with their
weapons. Okay, because he brought it

444
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:22.119
up her political point, I think
is accurate that you know, Steve and

445
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:27.039
I are in a disappearing minority.
Their free trade just doesn't have majority support

446
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.760
in the country ANYMOE never has had. Really. Yeah, yeah, but

447
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.480
it's a different I I actually just
the last thing I'll say about it,

448
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.079
it's it's a different universe we live
in now. Because you know, it

449
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:44.239
used to be that other places could
really they didn't have rules, they have

450
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.880
fair labor laws or anything like that. But the whole thing has become corrupted

451
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more than ever by by the elites
who force on us all these environmental things

452
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here and then the unions and on
and on and on and on, and

453
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it's it's I do agree with you, John, you don't expect to have

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be in an industry, have a
job that your great grandfather had for the

455
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rest of eternity. But at the
same time, there's nothing fair, above

456
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board or even free market about free
trade anymore. And free trade being a

457
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I actually think that subsidies and trade
sanctions actually increase the opportunity for corruption because

458
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then all the industries going and say, what my special deal look at?

459
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Like remember the weird trumpsteal tariffs.
So according to studies, you know,

460
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maybe these are biased, but the
studies suggest yes, okay, so we

461
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.800
preserve you know, X number of
jobs in the steel industry, but the

462
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.960
things that you steal, the cost
of them went way up. And so

463
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I think the economist said, every
job we preserve because of the steel Trump

464
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:59.280
costs seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
because of the increase in prices of steel

465
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.119
may price like washing machines. I
think I would just like give each of

466
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them two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
then, and then they have But that's

467
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:12.239
not in a vacuum. That's not
in a vacuum that's because of regulations,

468
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:16.719
it's because of environmental it's on and
on and on and on and and that's

469
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.599
the problem. So it's not necessarily
that I'm disagreeing with you guys. But

470
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you know, as long as California
keeps raising its minimum wage for instance,

471
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uh, twenty dollars an hour is
not good enough, even though it's destroying

472
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jobs right and left, then then
you know you're gonna have computerized kiosks.

473
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Those The law of unintended consequences because
of over regulation, et cetera, et

474
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:52.239
cetera, is going to make America
not competitive in the world. I'm not

475
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saying tariffs are the complete answer,
but thinking about it in a very broad

476
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:04.000
way, how do we make America
competitive again? You know, we used

477
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to be. We produced the best
stuff. We produced it at a you

478
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:14.519
know, a great at a reasonable
price, you know, and we've just

479
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allowed our elites to skew the system
so badly that something has to be done

480
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about it. That's kind of my
point. Does that make sense? How

481
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.559
do we compete with I think it
doesn't make any sense. That's the only

482
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.559
time I've ever said that about something. You've said you should be hired by

483
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:39.320
J d vance to be his speech
writer. Shout closed, Well, I

484
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:44.239
was just thinking that maybe Lucretia,
you and I or we could do one

485
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:49.480
of our power line universities on trade
politics and policy. Very important, although

486
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I think a lot of voters don't
find it interesting anymore. I don't find

487
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:58.519
it interesting either. Let me ask
let's move on. Then, let's really

488
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.960
quick one quick question. Okay,
look inside your shirt. I am willing

489
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:09.519
to bet that not one piece of
clothing in your in either of your closets,

490
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:15.159
says made in America. But see
my hand. My suits are all

491
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.519
handmade in Philadelphia, so you're wrong
there. But I bet fabric is have

492
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:24.679
made in the United States. Fabat's
all made in little handmade I hope,

493
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.039
handmade mills in northern Italy. But
the point is, you don't want all

494
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:35.000
the cheap clothes made in America.
You want them to be made in poor

495
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:39.800
countries so Americans can make things that
are more valuable, like electric cars or

496
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:45.559
computers. I think it's great that
actually all the cheap clothes is made in

497
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China. Make two last brief comments. One is you know who has declared

498
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.679
general support for free trade? A
guy named Donald Trump. But he says

499
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we don't really have free trade,
which brings me to the last comment.

500
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You know, I remember talking to
Milton Friedman about NAFTA thirty years ago when

501
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:02.599
it was passed and he was against
it. Why was he against it?

502
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:06.880
He said, you know, a
free trade treaty only needs to be three

503
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.480
pages long. NAFTA is one thousand
pages long. Because I guarantee you open

504
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:15.000
any one of those thousand pages and
you'll find restrictions on trade. It's managed

505
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.159
trade, it's not truly free trade. And that's I think there's some wisdom

506
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:21.239
to all that, and Trump,
in a certain way, has some sympathy

507
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.400
with that point of view. He
may end up being ironically the great practical

508
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:29.960
champion of genuine free trade over the
next decade. Yeah, that's my prediction.

509
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.159
I think in winning issue for Trump
on trade, because I think Lucretia

510
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does represent the views of the majority
of the country now, is that we

511
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should have free trade agreements with our
allies, correct, like the Western European

512
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country South America. But we don't
need to have free trade with China since

513
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they're so obviously out to get us. We don't need free trade with Russia,

514
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.079
probably don't need to have free trade
with a lot of countries in the

515
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:57.000
Middle East. Right, that's so
let's move on though. This is a

516
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.880
we're going to bookmark this for a
future uh you know, cage match,

517
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:09.920
cage match Thunderdome style cage match with
immigration point on that. Do you want

518
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:16.199
to talk about immigration? Yeah?
Yeah, oh I I actually think I

519
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:21.880
favor more immigration than you and Steve. But I do think there has to

520
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be a limit. You know,
we're a nation state, we have a

521
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border. We are allowed to set
limits on immigration. Now right now,

522
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I think our law permits about one
million, uh you know, legal immigrants

523
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were eventually going to be on the
road to citizenship. I'd make it two

524
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.639
million or three million, even because
we actually have a labor shortage in the

525
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country. But I agree with you. You can't have just people crossing the

526
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border whenever they feel like without you, in violation of the law. I

527
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:51.280
mean, that's a that's a violation
of our sovereignty. What about deporting the

528
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:54.199
people who did? I think,
yeah, the laws already called for it.

529
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:58.079
I also think it's impossible to remove
them all. So I think this

530
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:07.119
massive deportation point in the platform,
it's I just don't think it's practical resources

531
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.880
into it. But how could you
whatever twenty million illegal aliens in the country.

532
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.719
I'm going to send I'm going to
send thecretion into orbit and saying you

533
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.920
don't need to have a mass deportation
effort. And I'm going to say,

534
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.119
actually, a kind word for Mitt
Romney. You know, what he said

535
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:30.480
was if we enforce of citizenship or
legal requirements on employers, that's what was

536
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:34.480
behind his idea of self deportation.
People will leave if they cannot get jobs

537
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.480
illegally, they will go back home. I think there's a lot of sense

538
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.039
to that, So you may not
need to have to have, you know,

539
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:42.440
a big force trying to round people
up and so forth. I'm not

540
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.960
opposed to that, but I think
there's something to what Romney's saying. All

541
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:50.119
of the proposals, including I have
to say Trump when he was president,

542
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.119
did not include everify. You know, a lot of big business, the

543
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.199
construction trades, they don't want to
everify. But I think if you're serious

544
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.960
about this, you want to do
something like everify and crack down on hiring

545
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:06.719
illegally. So the problem is this
desire to deport twenty million aliens would require

546
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a fairly large internal police force,
which as a conservative, actually frightens me,

547
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especially this is a weird segue,
maybe, but especially when the hands

548
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of people who can't even protect the
security of the president. Right. So

549
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that would be my last point is
I think there would have to be a

550
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big change in how we enforce immigration
laws, and the federal government should call

551
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on the states to do it in
states, which they can do. That's

552
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where all the law enforcement resources are
already, they already know the communities they

553
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:44.719
can help, and let the states
decide how many aliens to eject or not

554
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:49.559
from their own borders, which current
federal laws we've discussed is doesn't allow because

555
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.079
the Biden administration wants to oust you
know, doesn't want to let states participate.

556
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But Trump could. Trump could easily
reverse that policy if you wanted to.

557
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My personal preference would be to turn
every IRS agent into a deportation agent,

558
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because one of the things we know
is that the IRS is very successful

559
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:13.239
at forcing people to pay their taxes. And so I mean, if the

560
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:17.840
entire legal population of the United States
said we're going to refuse to pay any

561
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:24.719
more taxes until, you know,
stop stop any kind of withdrawals from their

562
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:30.239
paychecks and all of that until they
close the border. The IRS would figure

563
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out how to get every single one
of us, so turn IRS agents into

564
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deportation agents. And I agree with
Steve both his point, and I would

565
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:45.280
take it one step further if you
actually started a process of deporting, as

566
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the RNC platform says, the starting
with the worst criminals, et cetera,

567
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:55.400
et cetera, just like what I
saw happen with SB ten seventy in Arizona

568
00:43:55.480 --> 00:44:00.440
back in the day when SB two
Arizona passage. So you know, I

569
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:05.079
live right by the border. There's
a range road behind my house that was

570
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a thoroughfare, a thoroughfare for illegal
immigration. And after SB ten seventy passed,

571
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before it was overturned by the idiotic
Supreme Court or parts of it,

572
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:23.719
it stopped. It literally stopped behind
my house. And so our policies make

573
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a difference, they really do.
Our policies toward illegal immigration make a difference.

574
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So you don't have to deport everyone. You just have to make it

575
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:40.440
clear that you're going to be they'll
self select deportation. I thought you were

576
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:45.000
going to call for deporting IRS agents
or have them self Deport'll give it that

577
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:52.320
too. Okay, okay, let's
start speaking of guns ah because all those

578
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:55.559
irs agents are Let me get to
the final big topic we had this last

579
00:44:55.559 --> 00:45:01.199
week, which was the assassination on
President Trump assass attempt, I might add,

580
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:07.159
Yeah, so one is what effect
did it have on politics? And

581
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:12.039
then I think the second question to
ask is what is this show about the

582
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:16.719
administrative state? Like is what do
you think should be done about the Secret

583
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:21.800
Service? But first the political effects
we talked a little bit about them.

584
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:29.679
Steve said it has unified the party
and quieted potential opponents of President Trump within

585
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.880
the Republican Party. Lucretia, what
do you think what were the political effects

586
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.320
in your view of the assassination attempt? Oh? I think absolutely. I

587
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:43.679
mean I said it earlier to think
about a seventy year eight year old man

588
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:49.400
who gets hit by a bullet.
It looks to me watching it like he

589
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.960
dropped to the ground on his own, yes, and then they piled on

590
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:59.519
him, and then he fights his
way back up with a fist in the

591
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:04.400
air, blood pouring off of his
face. Uh, and fight, fight,

592
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:12.320
fight. You can nobody can say
that that was orchestrated, pre rehearsed,

593
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.639
or anything like that that was just, in many ways an indication of

594
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:22.039
a character that many people denied Trump
ever had. And and you know,

595
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.960
you can be the stupid people on
at MSNBC and try to pretend that this

596
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.000
whole thing was a setup, and
but nobody believes that. Nobody of it

597
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.880
with any brains believes any of the
stuff they left to seeing. But it

598
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:38.280
so I think from a political point
of view, it has allowed people who

599
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:45.679
in the past would have been embarrassed
to say that they support Trump. Zuckerberg

600
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:47.800
forgot I was going to bring that
up. Yes, yeah, I mean,

601
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.239
so from a political bo did you
miss this? Okay, I tell

602
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:57.840
I mean, I can tell a
story. Zuckerberg arguably got Biden elected four

603
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.480
years ago. He says, I'm
sitting out this election. And he added,

604
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.280
I have to say watching Trump get
up and raise his fist and say

605
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.159
five fight fight, he says,
that's one of the most badass things I've

606
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.679
ever seen. And he was saying
that is praise. How impressed Zuckerberg would

607
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:15.480
fly fly lying on the ground crying
and calling for his mommy. Well,

608
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:19.760
right, anyway, Yeah, and
so the other thing though, that I

609
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.880
want to say, you know,
I haven't had a tinfoil hat on for

610
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:31.360
a while. So you you follow
all the stuff that keeps coming out about

611
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:37.239
the assassination attempt, about about the
Secret Service, about that twit what,

612
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:42.079
oh my god, I mean two
things about it. Let me start with

613
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:49.280
the least roofs, yes, slowed
roofs. What we what? That the

614
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:54.000
whole god awful thing with the fat
chicks pretending to be Secret Service agents that

615
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:59.679
we know. Now, that's hard
to around them, isn't it. Well,

616
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:01.480
but not if you go for a
headshot, which is what they did.

617
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:07.320
They were short and fat and stupid
and incompetent. But what it has

618
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:14.960
done is it's pointed out in ways. It's that people can't ignore the harm

619
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:20.719
done by DEI policies, Right you
guys, I know Steve knowws this.

620
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:25.440
You probably don't, John, But
I made some sort of comment early on

621
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.480
in the week on Twitter about how
all of our three letter agencies have been

622
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:36.880
just reduced to utter incompetence by this
whole DEI thing, and I posted,

623
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:46.960
I posted the recruitment video the CIA
put out with this stupid hispanic she is

624
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:53.719
sis gender which she with mental health
issues, single mom who has been on

625
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:59.880
anxiety meds for her whole life.
It's a recruitment video for the CIA,

626
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:08.000
A right for the CIA, this
stupid, fat, mentally disturbed single mom

627
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:14.159
who's now the face of the CIA. I posted it and guess what happened?

628
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:21.480
Twitter blocked me. Really, what
ground do they give? A ground

629
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:28.280
that it was hurtful? The CIA
video was hurtful that I posted this.

630
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:30.199
I mean, I make comments,
no doubt, but they weren't over the

631
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:34.280
top comments. But okay, sorry, I just that was a rant.

632
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:38.719
But what it has done between Boeing, you know, and fall their planes

633
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:43.000
falling out of the sky and know
you all of these other things, it's

634
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:50.159
become absolutely clear to most thinking Americans
that DEI is not only a stupid,

635
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:55.280
racist idea, but it has contributed
contributed to a level of incompetence wherever it's

636
00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:02.039
been done. That is appalling.
And you'll notice that the only real response

637
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:07.599
to all of the criticism by the
Secret Service, the only real response has

638
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:14.320
been how appalled they are at the
anger about DEI. You know, they

639
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:17.880
don't care that they're shown to be
incompetent. They're upset that DEI is being

640
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.920
challenged. So that's thing one.
Thing two really quickly is that we are

641
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:31.079
now at the point of deciding whether
or not what happened in Butler was the

642
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:38.920
result of extreme incompetence that's mind blowing
or a conspiracy. Isn't that an amazing

643
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:46.280
place to believe? Right? Right? The more that comes out, the

644
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:52.320
more it becomes clear it was either
abjecting competence or a conspiracy at the deepest

645
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.800
levels of our government. And the
worst part is it could very well be

646
00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:02.519
both. Yeah, raction or conspiracy. Yeah go with I go with in

647
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:07.679
competence. You know the old Mike
humans Razor never attribute to malice or conspiracy

648
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.360
what can be chalked up to sheer
stupidity and incompetence. And I think that's

649
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:15.519
likely what's happened here. I think
not the first time the Secret Service has

650
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:22.360
been revealed to be, you know, corrupt, flabby, inattentive, lazy,

651
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:27.719
complacent. And you know, I
again, I like the FBI.

652
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.639
I interviewed a couple of Secret Service
agents who were in Reagan's detail and research

653
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.440
for my book, and you know
that was he was kind of a secret

654
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.440
Service nightmare, not like the way
Trump is, but uh, actually,

655
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:42.239
you know who was a real secret
Service nightmare? If I can digress for

656
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.320
ten seconds was Gerald Ford who wanted
to go skiing in the winter because you

657
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:47.760
know, yeah, he used to
go to Vail to go skiing, and

658
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.639
while he was president, and they
had to have Secret Service agents who could

659
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.400
ski and shoot, and that was
hard to do because nowadays they would not

660
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.960
allow president to do it. I
think I think that's the way the world

661
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:02.079
is going. You talk about Secret
Service nightmare, what about watch having to

662
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:07.599
watch Joe Biden's from Well, you've
noticed, all right, another ten second

663
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.000
aggression. You've noticed the last month
or so, there's some very large person

664
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:15.079
I don't know if Secret Service or
some White House staffer, but some very

665
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:20.800
large person walking very close to him
up to the steps and clearly person ready

666
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.400
to spring in a moment's notice if
he falls, and likewise following him down

667
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:28.679
the little short steps from Air Force
one. It's very conspicuous and quite obvious.

668
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:31.800
Obviously. What I think the Trump
people should do is I think they

669
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:39.440
should insist upon having their own private
security force to supplement and liaise with the

670
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:43.400
Secret Service so that they can say, wait a minute, have you checked

671
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:46.960
out that roof in that building where
your people and the Secret Service would resist

672
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:51.639
they'd complain, but I think that's
what he ought to insist upon. And

673
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:57.280
we see there's a lot of you
know, this is again, Aslen Reynolds

674
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.719
likes to say, after every school
shooting, early reports or you wrong or

675
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.039
inaccurate. I'm amazed at all the
news we get these days. It's based

676
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.079
on a single source or someone rushing
with a story that turns out to be

677
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.280
not right, if not completely wrong
later on. And so I'm waiting for,

678
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:14.119
you know, when I hear one
of the things about the couple.

679
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.199
I don't think most of them have
been the slowed roof. They admitted to

680
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:22.000
themselves that there was a drone.
I mean, I've seen a couple,

681
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:23.760
but not many. We'll may give
you one example. One is there's,

682
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:27.440
you know, a very tall ladder
up to this building, and said,

683
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.840
oh, how would shooter get that
ladder there? Well, it's it's been

684
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:32.079
I don't know what the truth of
it is. But asould the other report

685
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:36.079
saying no, no, that was
the ladder that the local police brought to

686
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:37.639
get up on the roof. I
don't know what the truth is, but

687
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:43.320
don't run off with every factory guy. I don't. I don't agree with

688
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.800
the idea of it's a conspiracy.
But I think the only way to you

689
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:51.599
know, settle it for people who
have obvious concerns is there's got to be

690
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:55.440
some kind of independent commission, correct
And I wouldn't put the Chief Justice in

691
00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.840
charge of it like Lyndon Johnson's.
We don't need to have another warrant commission.

692
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.639
But you know, something like the
nine to eleven commission was. I

693
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.719
bet the nine eleven commission actually did
a good job. I think the one

694
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:12.159
on a Rock WMD did a good
job. Something you know could be put

695
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.599
together by Congress. In fact,
doesn't that I don't. I mean Biden

696
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:17.639
is this is the other little story
about this. Biden is completely absent.

697
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:23.800
It's just another demonstration of how he's
become a passive president. Any normal president

698
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:28.639
would have just fired the head of
the Secret Service by now and announced right

699
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.719
a bipartisan commission to investigate, with
hearings and everything, but he hasn't.

700
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.719
So I think this is actually something
the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson,

701
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.079
could do that. But we need
to do that to reassure people.

702
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.840
We want to find out the facts
and do it in a way that people

703
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.320
who think it might be conspiracy.
Will believe the credibility of the investigation,

704
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:52.159
and so it can't be done by
the FBI or by the Secret Services.

705
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.599
Correct. Two things about that,
John. The first one is so okay,

706
00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:00.239
I'm with you guys, that the
possibility of a conspirac you know,

707
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:05.280
the more people who are in on
it, the more it becomes, you

708
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:08.199
know, impossible to keep those secrets. All right, Well, I believe

709
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:13.360
all of that. I believe the
incompetence. I believe never underestimate the power,

710
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:17.360
stupidity, all of that. However, what we do know, without

711
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:25.199
a shadow of a doubt is that
requests by RFK to have secret service were

712
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:31.599
denied, Requests by Trump to have
more secret service were denied. That Jill

713
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:44.400
Biden put together a hastily, hastily
organized small dinner to some Italian something something

714
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:53.599
there in Pennsylvania, which diverted already
supposedly at least Trump's own detail, diverted

715
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:58.679
a bunch of those agents to Jill
Biden. Those things I don't think are

716
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.599
up for grabs. They've been admitted
to by the Secret Service, other than

717
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:06.519
the fact that they've denied requests.
But we know that they have denied those

718
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:10.760
requests. Do those things end up
as incompetence or do they end up as

719
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:21.320
partisanship that is so rabid that it
will allow them to use the Secret Service,

720
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:25.519
maybe not as a conspiracy to actually
assassinate Trump, but to use or

721
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:34.360
to deny Secret Service competence because they'd
rather see their opponents taken out, or

722
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:38.400
they'd certainly rather not give any credence
to their opponents by considering them important enough

723
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:43.760
to get Secret Service protection at the
level they should get it. Does that

724
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:45.880
make sense? Well? Can I
add one detail to that that bolters your

725
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:52.760
point? It's been reported and maybe
it's true, like to say that the

726
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:59.239
Iranians have been seriously wanting to kill
Trump, but also several people associated with

727
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:04.519
killing so Lamani there back in twenty
twenty whatever that was, including Mike Pompeo,

728
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.920
Secretary of State, the Secretary of
Defense. Then was I forget and

729
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:12.920
Robert O'Brien the national security Bolton,
that's it, And well, Robert O'Brien,

730
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.320
I think was a national security advisor. I think they want to kill

731
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:19.519
Bolton on general principle because he's been
so No. I think Robert O'Brien was

732
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:23.639
the national security advisor when that attack
happened. And I've had a couple of

733
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:28.519
small dinners with O'Brien in La two
three years ago, and he had a

734
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:31.960
big security detail provided by the federal
government because he said, oh yeah,

735
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:37.039
I'm you know, I'm considered under
active threat by Iranians for assassination. The

736
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:42.079
Biden administration has pulled his security detail
and will not give him another one.

737
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:45.519
They won't give him a State Department
one because their alternatives doesn't have to be

738
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:49.800
Secret Service. It could be federal
marshals, it could be there's a protective

739
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:53.320
detail that the State Department has,
and they refuse to do that. And

740
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:58.559
so if O'Brien is killed, it's
going to look pretty bad, I think.

741
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:00.559
And by the way, I think
you and from Lucretia that the Wide

742
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:07.920
administration relented on giving RFK junior Secret
Service protection hours after Trump called for it,

743
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:09.719
which I said, oh, Trump, the Trump administration is beginning early.

744
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:15.519
Well, that's it. And this
shows you how Iranians don't understand our

745
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:17.719
politics. Because if there was if
they wanted to guarantee a way for US

746
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:21.760
to launch a strike on all their
nuclear sites, the best way to do

747
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:25.440
it would be to try to assassinate
in high level American official. But anyway,

748
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:30.159
let's we'll just be intimidation. But
yeah, okay, well we come

749
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:34.079
to the end of the show.
There's still so many issues to talk about.

750
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:38.840
We're gonna have to defer them the
next week. But let me start

751
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:45.480
off our traditional wrap up by asking
Lucretia for her favorite Babylon B headlines.

752
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:50.639
So can I start with one that's
actually not a Babylon B but probably should

753
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:55.480
be. I laughed so hard when
I heard this. Breaking Vin Ben announces

754
00:58:55.519 --> 00:59:00.039
that according to persons familiar with the
transcripts of the call, there was a

755
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:07.159
very dangerous quid pro quo in which
Trump promised to provide Zelenski an unlimited supply

756
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:10.320
of green T shirts with pockets on
the sleeves in return for his endorsement.

757
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:19.599
I actually thought that was just really
funny. Sorry. Man. The Babylon

758
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:30.320
B Service says it is working tirelessly
to investigate anyone criticizing their inconfidence. Inside

759
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:35.119
sources say Biden is definitely either going
to step down or stay in the race,

760
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:43.480
but for sure. One of the
two viewer advisory added to Fiddler on

761
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:54.280
the Roof due to intense pitched roof
scene that takes secret service taps former MLB

762
00:59:54.480 --> 01:00:01.599
ref angel Hernandez to head up Trump
detail. Hell you know what, guys,

763
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:05.880
I could probably go on forever.
I'm just gonna turn it over.

764
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:12.079
Yeah, with this last one,
just because we didn't talk about her.

765
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:16.280
Hillary Clinton announces she will seek re
election of president of the United States.

766
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:23.639
Okay, go ahead, all right, Jomas, always drink your whiskey meat,

767
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:29.760
let's go, Brandon and Steve Well. Listeners, you've wasted another perfectly

768
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.679
good hour with a three whiskey happy
hour, unburdened by what has been.

769
01:00:34.159 --> 01:01:45.920
Bye bye, everybody, see you
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