1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:09,080 Welcome to the Paranormal Project Radio Show. Journey with us through mystical realms to 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,359 a world of the unexplained. If you're ready, take a deep breath and 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:18,359 let curiosity be your guide. And now here are your hosts, Spirit Medium 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:27,199 Scott Allen and Christina Bowen, the Green Witch of Tennessee. Hello, everyone, 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:32,320 and welcome to another edition of the Paranormal Project Radio Show. Happy Wednesday 6 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:37,560 to everybody. How are you Christina this week? I am fabulous. Nice 7 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:43,000 to see you all decked out in your gay apparel and mule tiede whatever you 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,039 want to call it. Hello, Adam, Meagan, Good to see you. 9 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,679 Yeah, it's like it's Christmas in a couple of weeks. I can't 10 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:51,039 believe, not even a couple of weeks. It's less than two weeks. 11 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:54,799 It's the craziest thing. It's the craziest thing. Yeah, I don't know 12 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,439 earlier today, but it's like if I don't even know what I've ordered anymore, 13 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:03,840 Amazon to deliver a go tomorrow and I would not be surprised. Yeah, 14 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:11,959 would that be for your dad? So I'm telling you, I'm telling 15 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,319 you one thing you and I are good at, besides talking to the dead 16 00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:19,760 and putting hexes on people is hunting at the last minute. So our guest 17 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,439 this week was Katie Katie Elizabeth, who is a champ expert. You know 18 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:30,120 Lake Champlain Champion is the is the sea monster there? That they are the 19 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:38,000 lake monster? I guess. And she had a last minute conflict. So 20 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:41,760 thankfully we have another guest tonight that we're going to tack that. I'm that 21 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:45,879 we're going to talk to that. I'm equally as excited about. Cel Thomas 22 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,840 is an author. She was on our show last year. She has a 23 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:55,159 small Town Tales podcast, but she's a brand new podcast and we're going to 24 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,400 talk about that tonight. It's called The Gateway, and we are going to 25 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,680 speak with her about her podcast and all the stuff she's got going on, 26 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:06,079 because she lives a very interesting, interesting life. Adam Bacon says, monster 27 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:08,639 Hunter, who are you the monster Hunter? Who's Oh, you're talking about 28 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:12,840 Katie Elizabeth. Yeah, she's not with us tonight, Adam, she's not 29 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:15,280 with us tonight. I don't know. She had a conflict that came up 30 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,000 at the last minute. So but we do have cl Thomas. I'm going 31 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:23,599 to bring her out here in just a second, and let's see hello, 32 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:27,400 my friend. How are you good to see you again. It's nice to 33 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,000 see you too. Thank you for having me on your show, and thank 34 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 you for not getting to the gym in time. This is really great. 35 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,879 Suffered greatly for it. Just so you know, well, you know that's 36 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:43,280 all right. I was I was texting you, and before I heard from 37 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,000 you, I was texting Christina and I said, like, think about something 38 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:51,719 to talk about because we need to change gears at about two seconds and I 39 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:55,400 hate that when that happens. So, but you've got some stuff going on. 40 00:02:55,439 --> 00:03:00,599 So you've launched your new book. I have Dancing the Demons, and 41 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,360 you're still doing Small Town Tales, which I was on last year, and 42 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,879 you were on with us last year, and now you've got The Gateway and 43 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,199 I'm going to be on with you the day after Christmas. So people are 44 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:15,280 just sitting around looking for something to do. We could talk with what's the 45 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:22,439 difference between small Town Tales and the new one Gateway. Well, the Small 46 00:03:22,479 --> 00:03:28,039 Town Tales podcast was it started out as a paranormal podcast, but it's really 47 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:34,879 more about small town legends and things pertaining to the paranormal, and that's where 48 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:42,439 you're you know, goes to paranormal investigators, and maybe stuff about Bigfoot would 49 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:46,520 fit on that one, but it wasn't what I really wanted in a podcast. 50 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:53,479 I was looking more for something to stream and talk to guests about metaphysical 51 00:03:53,520 --> 00:04:00,840 healing, mediumship, spirit talk kind of topics and just you know, spirit 52 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:06,280 communication, all things mediumship pretty much. And so I created the new show 53 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:14,199 The Gateway. And there's a woman named Michelle du Rocher. She used to 54 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,879 be on a couple of those paranormal shows she has. I think it is 55 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:25,240 called the Outer Realm Radio Show. There was an opening that came up on 56 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:30,839 the one oh seven point seven FM station, and she asked me to do 57 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:32,680 a new show with her, or not with her, but just to do 58 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,920 a new show in that spot. So I took this spot. Now, 59 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,519 where is that? Is that out in your area? And no, it's 60 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,839 actually broadcast out in New Orleans. Oh it is, Okay, it's audio 61 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,600 only on the radio. Push you're everywhere else, right, You're right? 62 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:55,199 Yeah, So they put it on. I'm not sure exactly how it works, 63 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,199 but I know it's going out on Roku and a bunch of other different 64 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:03,639 places. Cool. Now Roku has podcasts. I didn't even know that streaming. 65 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:10,199 Yeah, it's a radio show. How cool? Is that? Good 66 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,759 for you? Good for you? So, so have you found I mean, 67 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,160 I know you're kind of booked up, right, You've got you've got 68 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:19,920 a bunch of guests already planned out. But are they all mediums or are 69 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,920 they like larger as like no, So there's a lot of different people that 70 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:27,759 are coming on the show. So I'll probably I'm going to have you guys 71 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,800 on, sure, but there's a lot of different people that are coming on. 72 00:05:31,879 --> 00:05:39,160 There's a demonologist that's going to speak next week, and nice a paranormal 73 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:44,920 investigator on last week. But it's you know, it's a direction I really 74 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,560 want to take the show. If I do do paranormal investigators, I want 75 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:54,879 to take it deeper and what's normally talked about, right, no normal field. 76 00:05:54,959 --> 00:05:59,759 Now you have all of these groups and their primary focus is to collect 77 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,639 and then decide if it exists or not. And to me, this stuff 78 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,240 exists. So what's the next step. And that's where I'm trying to go 79 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:13,120 with the Gateway podcast. I like that, Well, yeah I do too, 80 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,319 and I think that you know, and I know we're going to talk 81 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:16,759 about this a little bit on your show. But I think, you know, 82 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:24,360 the medium ship it's not all about it's not all about doing a reading 83 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,199 at a site, but it's it's using that whatever you want to call it, 84 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:36,639 that that intuition to be able to sense what you find and how can 85 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,319 we how can we back it up with equipment potentially, you know, just 86 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:46,480 a just a or vice versa. You know, But I think that I 87 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,480 think there's definitely a place for the medium in the paranormal. Yeah, and 88 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:54,439 the mediumship doesn't have to be paranormal either. I mean, you know, 89 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,079 you've got a lot of other opportunities too. I mean there's there's mediums that 90 00:06:58,079 --> 00:07:02,600 don't do anything with the paranormal. It's right exactly. I think a mediumship 91 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:09,040 opens that door to serve spirit and to help somebody actually heal. So there's 92 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,639 a whole other part of it that I think the paranormal world kind of misses. 93 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:18,199 I love that outlook, I do too. I think that And you 94 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:23,439 know a lot of people may not know this, but you are developing your 95 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:26,199 own gifts that you have. And you know, we've talked about this in 96 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,680 the past. Over the last you know, year or two and I think 97 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,720 that the more you embrace it, the stronger it is. Would you say 98 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:38,959 for yourself, because I know you're seeing some changes and how you get things 99 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:46,920 and how you are able to yeah, deliver. So you actually turned me 100 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:53,240 on to Joseph Schiel. He's a Yes, I don't know if he's famous, 101 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:57,759 but he's a pretty well known medium and he's known for his spirit art 102 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:03,199 and so I've taken a class or two with him, and it turns out 103 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,759 he's a really good spirit artist, and so I'm training under him for spirit 104 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:15,160 art for those that don't know, Okay, So there's two different things with 105 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:22,360 the spirit art. The paranormal Crown seems to take it, as you say, 106 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:26,920 with the client and you kind of sketch out maybe their spirit guide or 107 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:33,480 something a little more abstract, whereas I'm taking it into more of an evidential 108 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,919 mediumship side to where you're actually drawling the person. Like I'm able to show 109 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:45,320 somebody the image and it looks like Grandma or whoever, whoever the spirit is 110 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:50,440 that that's connecting at that time. So there's some kind of evidential bat or 111 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:56,039 evidence to what I'm trying to sketch out and whatever spirit that I'm trying to 112 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,519 connect with. That's one. You know. It's funny because I feel like 113 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:03,159 I've asked Joe this. So Joe, for those of you who don't know, 114 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:09,159 Joe Shield is pretty famous within the world of mediums. I mean, 115 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,279 he's taught at the Arthur Finlay College in the UK, but he's also now. 116 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,879 He doesn't like the word pastor, but he is. He's pastor of 117 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,759 the Journey Within Church in Pompino Lakes, New Jersey, and the Journey Within 118 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:26,799 is really the only Spiritualist church in the United States directly linked back to the 119 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:31,120 UK. Others can call themselves Spiritualist churches, but they're not. They don't 120 00:09:31,159 --> 00:09:37,879 have that tie to the Arthur Finley Spiritualist Union, which is in the UK. 121 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:43,960 He he is a fantastic medium. He actually mentors me, which I 122 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,879 love. But he's he's a great spirit artist. And I asked him one 123 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,720 day, I said, you know, I think that I don't get I 124 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:01,240 don't always see spirit as spirit is. I see spirit as I need to 125 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:03,960 see them to understand what they're trying to say to me. And so I 126 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:09,840 don't know that I could ever do spirit art. Besides the fact that I 127 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:11,799 told you yesterday. You know, Grandma would have to look like a stick 128 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,159 figure in order for someone to recognize her in real life. I don't think 129 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,240 I have that talent. But but seriously, I think that I don't know 130 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,240 if I get it the same way, and we don't always all get it 131 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,159 the same way. You know, how I get messages is not how you're 132 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,559 going to get them, and yours comes out in a very different way. 133 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:37,039 And I think that's what makes it so nice. You know, You're absolutely 134 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:41,279 right. I'm very visional. I'm very visual anyway. You know. I 135 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:45,480 have a photography background on the painter, I do all of this artistic stuff, 136 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,399 so I'm very visual. So it's like we talked about this too, 137 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,000 Scott. A lot of times when a spirit is coming through, I don't 138 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,679 always hear them. I don't know, Scott, you said you do. 139 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:03,000 I usually see it in images. It's almost like flashes, so I'll be 140 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:09,919 able to catch out. I don't hear like like here, like I don't 141 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,480 hear like I hear you, but it will flash into my mind like immediately, 142 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,039 oh oh, well, like today, you know, I was doing 143 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:20,639 a reading and like, oh, oh, ro Rose Rose? Who the 144 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,320 name Rose? Oh? Yeah, that's so, and so sometimes it comes 145 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,759 to me like that, So I say here, but I don't know if 146 00:11:26,799 --> 00:11:31,279 I hear here. I don't think I hear it outside of my body. 147 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,600 I think I just get it. And sometimes it'll come out on paper. 148 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,000 So I've I've gotten the habit of like carrying a piece of paper with me 149 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:41,080 and I doodle and sometimes I'll look back and oh, why did I write 150 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,320 that? Or or this doodle will look like a word that I hadn't even 151 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,519 comprehended, like, oh, does that mean anything to you? And it 152 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:52,159 does. It'll come out on the paper. So stuff like that will happen. 153 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:58,000 But you know, other people, they're all clear audient, they'll hear 154 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:01,799 everything. I'm just not that person, you know. Me. It's a 155 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:05,399 lot of visual, but not as much as it used to be. And 156 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,879 I feel like you'll find too, the more you do this, the more 157 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:13,639 fine tune that will actually get for you. I've had some really good results 158 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,000 so far, some of the clients that I've had. You know, I 159 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,840 don't do readings on the normal stuff, so like, I don't do it 160 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:28,080 for money or anything like that. But the clients I have had, I've 161 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,919 sketched them out and sent them the drawing, and a lot of them will 162 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:39,840 call me and they're just bawling because it's the stuff that comes out. And 163 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:45,000 on one lady in particular, it was of a really good friend of hers 164 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:50,000 who committed suicide just recently. And what I saw was him in like a 165 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:56,360 full hunter suit. He had like a bunch of antlers around him. There 166 00:12:56,399 --> 00:13:01,840 was a bunch of symbolism that sometimes I get worse, like you're saying, 167 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,559 Like for this one, I had warlock, so I didn't know what that 168 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:07,480 meant, right, So I just would sketch it on the side and just 169 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,559 leave it there. But when I send it to her, if she called 170 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,200 me and I guess he was a taxi ormist, which is where all the 171 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,279 animal images were coming from, and she knew exactly who this guy was. 172 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,080 It was crazy. I think I even got the name on that one. 173 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:28,679 But it's funny because I feel like with yours, and you know you've you've 174 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,399 done spirit art for me, I feel like the entire reading is in the 175 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:39,039 painting. It's not like you just draw Grandma, you know what I mean, 176 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,080 Like Grandma might be there, but it's not just that. It's the 177 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,320 symbolism of I don't know I'm making this up, but the symbolism of where 178 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,360 she is in the photo and the cabin with the brook and the birds and 179 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:52,679 the trees and the little messages that pop up through it. And I think 180 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:56,919 that that's what I think is so cool, because even Joe, who does 181 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,919 spirit art, doesn't draw like that. He'll draw the people, and sometimes 182 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,080 you'll draw three, four, five people that'll all show up in the same 183 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,200 photo, but it's not the cabin and the fire and the birds and you 184 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,919 know, all those sort of things. So I actually it's great how we 185 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:18,679 all get something just a little bit different. It's really interesting, just a 186 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,600 whole field of mediumship. You start to meet other people that have abilities like 187 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:26,519 this too, and you're right. They all come out in different ways. 188 00:14:26,519 --> 00:14:31,799 Some people will smell things and that's how they're able. I'm not sure exactly 189 00:14:31,799 --> 00:14:37,120 how that works, but they'll smell roses or something that belonged to the client's 190 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,879 mom. I don't know it does, and I'll tell you something strange about 191 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:45,480 that too. It doesn't happen to me often, but it does happen from 192 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:50,759 time to time. Only once have I smelled like a perfume that was so 193 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:52,639 strong it was in the room with me, and I wasn't in a reading. 194 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:56,879 This is when I was unfolding and everything was like ramped up to you 195 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:03,519 know, the nth degree. But sometimes in a reading I'll get like cigarette 196 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:09,279 smoke or perfume or lilacs or whatever it is. But it's not in the 197 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,279 room. It's like in your memory that you can smell. I don't know 198 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,360 how to even explain that to you. I mean, Christina, now you 199 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:22,360 probably have experienced that at some point, not in a mediumistic way, quite 200 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:26,120 regularly actually, and I've said I am not a medium, and I don't 201 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,840 ever want to be. I don't know how y'all do it. I really 202 00:15:30,879 --> 00:15:39,440 don't. But that I've had is I routinely, almost nine o'clock every evening, 203 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,879 cigarette smoke comes through the living room. Yeah, I feel like I 204 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:50,759 know who it is, and you know, I welcome them. But yeah, 205 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:56,559 it's pretty odd. But for me it is like in the room, 206 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:00,039 and many times other people can smell it too, So I'll just be sitting 207 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:06,000 there and like, can y'all not smell that? Yeah? And almost always 208 00:16:06,559 --> 00:16:10,720 yeah, I thought somebody was, you know back there. No nobody's here, 209 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,360 so well you know this too. I'll say this too, and I 210 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:18,600 and I think, I don't know what you think, Crystal, but see, 211 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:22,480 but I feel like you know you because you're not a medium, you 212 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:26,759 need to have it a little more in your faith, which means it would 213 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:30,440 be in the room and just you're gonna miss it, you know. I 214 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,240 think the more you do this, the more subtle it becomes. And to 215 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:36,840 be honest, I mean, I wish it was as full blown open as 216 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:40,320 it was when it first happened, because man, it was like watching a 217 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,919 movie play out and you're getting sounds and smells and feel and it's not like 218 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,759 that anymore. A lot of it is like mind implantation, Like they just 219 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,919 stick it in your mind like a memory you used to have, Like if 220 00:16:52,960 --> 00:17:00,559 you think of your grandmother's perfume, as an example, you can almost smell 221 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:06,400 it by remembering it. But it's not. It's when it comes unexpected, 222 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:07,960 like like, oh, well, that's her, that's her, you know 223 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,480 what I mean, It's not like you were thinking of it. That's kind 224 00:17:11,519 --> 00:17:15,279 of what it like. What it's like when it's when it's subtle, And 225 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,599 I think that that's uh, that's how we get it. The more we 226 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:26,640 do it. It's it's kind of like an instrument where you have to practice 227 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:32,200 as well to get better at it. It is. Did you learn that 228 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:37,359 from Jill? Yeah, that's a matter of fact, because he says that 229 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,079 all the time he plays the guitar. But he says, that's how we 230 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,960 are. And it's like you are the instrument and they're there to play you. 231 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:48,440 I mean in that way, you know, use me, play me, 232 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,119 use my use my thoughts, use my emotions. Anything that that's in 233 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:59,799 my memory or in my reality you can use. And I feel like the 234 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,839 things get so much better that way. So they do. And I think 235 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,920 the second part of that too, that he teaches is you kind of have 236 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,240 to learn a whole spirit language almost like what does colors mean? What does 237 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:15,680 numbers mean? Because some people, like me, I'm very visual, I'll 238 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:21,359 see like for something, and of course that means something. You know, 239 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:26,319 certain colors for some people will mean anger or whatever it is. Emotion. 240 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:30,720 There's a lot to it, but you know, you know what those you 241 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:34,920 know, I feel like, let's just use a color, let's just use 242 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:40,519 magenta. I don't know, for lack of another word, it may elicit 243 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:47,000 a feeling in you, but it may be very different than the feeling that 244 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,559 that Christina gets when she sees it, or that I get when I see 245 00:18:49,559 --> 00:18:53,759 it. So it isn't it's we all have our own kind of like library. 246 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,200 For lack of a better words, library is symbol perfect. Yeah, 247 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,720 you know that we use. I mean they all show me, as an 248 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:07,559 example, someone that's been on blood thinners. Okay, they'll show me like 249 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:10,720 an arm with all like bruise bard. I'll get that, and I'm like, 250 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:15,119 oh, like they were on blood thinners. It doesn't mean that they 251 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,119 had black and blue marks. No, it doesn't mean that. It's just 252 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,640 that's how they're showing it to me. But you might get it totally different. 253 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,319 You might see, I don't know something totally different, but it means 254 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,839 the same thing. And it's like we all speak a different language and they 255 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,599 know what that language is and they can communicate with it, which is really 256 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,039 cool. It is really cool. I'm glad they don't speak to me in 257 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:37,599 like Russian or anything, because I'd missed the whole thing. I wouldn't get 258 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:44,559 anything. I was what was I going to say? Oh? I always 259 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:48,759 tell people too, like if it hasn't entered into my memory or into my 260 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:55,240 imagination, like they can't use it. So if your grandmother was from India 261 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:59,680 and she had this first name that was twenty six letters long, guess what, 262 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:03,559 I'm not getting it into reading. It's never going to happen because she 263 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:07,480 can't talk to me in English and say this is how it's pronounced. Here 264 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:11,480 you go. They have to give me a way to get it. And 265 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,000 and that's how it is with anything you know. So I you know, 266 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,759 I feel like the more we build that library for ourselves, the better it 267 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:23,519 is. You know, like, Okay, you need to show me when 268 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:26,599 when when you want to talk to me about an army person, then you 269 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,599 need to show me this. If you want to show me that they were 270 00:20:30,599 --> 00:20:34,119 an accountant, I need to see this and write it down and make a 271 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,920 library of symbols that you need that you can recognize so that when you see 272 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,799 it, you know what it means and they'll use it. Has that been 273 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:47,559 your experience to you? Yes, that that's kind of what I'm referring to 274 00:20:47,759 --> 00:20:52,880 when I say spirit language. So you kind of have to learn. You 275 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,319 have to. You have to, like Joe says, you have to know 276 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,119 yourself, you have to learn the spirit art and how the how the spirit 277 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:04,440 are connecting with you in order to interpret the message. And that's something I 278 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,119 struggled with for a while because I am so visual. It was kind of 279 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,480 hard. I think we've discussed this in the past. It's like I'll see 280 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:15,559 something, but I don't know how to relay the message. You know, 281 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,440 what does it mean? Yeah, what are you trying to tell me? 282 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:26,119 Yeah? Exactly, exactly. And sometimes they'll play with you, you know 283 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,000 you think it means. Well, here's an example. This has happened to 284 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,559 me twice in probably the last couple of months. I had a reading just 285 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:37,720 before we get on the call today, and I have this woman that's in 286 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:40,640 front of me, and I can see how she's dressed like she's going out 287 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:45,720 and giving me all kinds of things about how she passed and and you know, 288 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,640 four or five six things that that they could relate to. Except she 289 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,200 said to me, I understand all of it, except it's not a woman. 290 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:59,000 It's a man. And I said, that's really odd because I'm definitely 291 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:04,359 seeing a woman. M So then I said, is there a man here 292 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:08,799 with that same thing? And there was a man there, and it was 293 00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:12,160 almost like a joke, like, oh, playing with you. The woman 294 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:18,559 was the mother. The woman the man's mother, and she made herself known 295 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:23,039 at that point. So I'm seeing her, but he's the one that's talking. 296 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,240 He's the one that's giving me the information, like implanting it. So 297 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,680 I've only had that happen twice. And it's the weirdest thing because usually I 298 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,200 can figure out who's the male and who's the female. And it was so 299 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,799 strange that I was getting And it was funny because I went into the reading 300 00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:41,519 and I thought, I've got a man and a woman here, but the 301 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:45,839 woman is talking louder I could, but it was because she was the visual. 302 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,000 I couldn't see him. She was the visual. He was the voice. 303 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:53,279 That's really interesting. Yeah, I mean, so look, I don't 304 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,400 understand any of this stuff and why we get what we get. I don't 305 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,640 understand it. Yeah, I don't either. It makes sense. It doesn't, 306 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,599 right, it just happens. It really doesn't. Yeah. Somebody asked 307 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:07,920 me one time, well, what's it like and how does it work? 308 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,559 And I'm just like, I have no idea, I don't know it. 309 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,519 Just let me know. Yeah, Well I did a house event the other 310 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,440 night, and the guy says, well, I'm a skeptic. I'm like, 311 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,920 good me too, because I don't I really am. You know, 312 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,079 this is why I'm never going to tell you what your spirit guy's names are, 313 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,759 because that's about of boloney. I mean, you know, do they 314 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:30,119 really have a name? Maybe they do, but how can you prove it. 315 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,079 I only want to do things. We talk about the authenticity of what 316 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,480 we do. I only want to give you what you can understand and validate, 317 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:45,519 and what you do it's pointless, It's true. I'm trying so hard 318 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:49,960 not to say zonar Zona. Remember who is the robot on Lost and Space? 319 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:55,119 It's ours? So that's what I feel like. I don't even know. 320 00:23:55,279 --> 00:24:00,359 It does mean something. Huh the robot robot? It does mean something, 321 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,559 and I can't think I looked it up. It's something reiki symbol. 322 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,279 What it is? It's something to do with reki zon Do you know that? 323 00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:11,799 Do you know? Do you know? Did you know that term? 324 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:18,680 What does it mean? What's it mean? I can't answer you. I'd 325 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:19,960 have to google it. I'm just gonna be honest. Okay, So you 326 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,359 don't you don't know what it is. I've heard of it and I recall 327 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,240 it in my class and everything, but it's not a piece that I kept. 328 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:32,920 I know. It's not something to do with raki, that's all I 329 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,039 know. Hold on, look it up real quick when you when you put 330 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:41,160 the rake on them, you know, I mean, now when you back, 331 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,160 it's got here and work down and they still bonar go with the great 332 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:55,759 Yeah, it was not straight reiki. So it says zonar is the first 333 00:24:55,759 --> 00:25:00,200 symbol you learn at the first level of reiki. It can help deep emotional 334 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:07,839 scars from the present as well as the past. Okay, so there you 335 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,960 go. And what you say, you don't do straight yankee straight yeakey straight 336 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,799 straight reky No, I'm I'm I'm tu. What I do is more energy 337 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:19,880 work. Reiki is a part of it. But it's just a part of 338 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:27,079 it, gotcha. So it's not straky, is it geeky? Look? 339 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:33,559 You know, whatever it is, we do it kids and animals. You 340 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,880 know. That's all I can about anyway, Sorry to go down that path, 341 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:41,559 that's all right, that's all right, I see it. I see 342 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,319 you always get a little PG and then have to get right back to it. 343 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:52,880 So we do we do uh, yeah, But I'm as fascinated by 344 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:59,519 it as I know you are and as other people are, and I don't. 345 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,200 I'm starting to understand what I need to do to do it better, 346 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:11,079 but I still don't know why it works. Yeah, I think that's you 347 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,079 know, it's the universal question, right, it's one of those questions that 348 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:21,000 humanity will never be able to answer that. You know, we may not. 349 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,440 We're probably not supposed to know that. You know, that's a very 350 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:33,640 statement because to seek, we always want the answer. I mean as part 351 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,920 of you know, we're all here anyway, as you know, to grow 352 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:41,160 to learn the whole purpose of life. Right, we wouldn't grow very much 353 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:42,799 or seek very much if we knew everything. And I think that's one of 354 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:51,079 those things that keep us striving and moving forward. That's just my theory on 355 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,359 it. Well, and I don't think it matters. I mean, I 356 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,359 think you get what you get, and we do what we do. And 357 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,880 some people are called to, you know, be a physician, some people 358 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:04,720 a call to other things. This is it was. It was a little 359 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,240 more less subtle than a phone call. It was a little bit more you 360 00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:11,720 know, intense, but it's it's still a calling. I mean, we 361 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,200 get what we get and I and I think, I don't know about you, 362 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:18,400 but I feel like the reason we put it off so much, you 363 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,079 know, like I doing this kind of thing was because I am a skeptic 364 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,880 deep down, like it has to be real to me, it has to 365 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,000 feel real, Like I could never do this if I felt like I was 366 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:33,920 making it up and I needed it proven to me. I needed it proven. 367 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,319 Took me a couple of years just to say, Okay, well, 368 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:44,240 you know consistently these things that I feel, think whatever that pop into my 369 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:48,160 head, people understand And that's I think. You know, it took me. 370 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,880 It took me that that that length of time just to understand it. 371 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,400 You know, it's just Betsy Brown Williams. Hi, Betsy, how are 372 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,720 you? Ye? Welcome, Welcome to the show. Williams is such a 373 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,640 sweetheart. You know her. I do know her now. I want to 374 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,799 know how she found you so quickly. Oh it's kind of strange, right, 375 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,960 how she found me on here, on here, no on here, 376 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,119 like all of a sudden you know her? Because I don't. I don't 377 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,240 know Betsy, and you don't know Betsy. I mean, if you knew 378 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:29,759 Betsy like I know Betsy. Oh no, hey, chriss g ratings got 379 00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:33,519 g rating, that's rating. No. I just think it's great because you 380 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:36,920 weren't our scheduled guest, and all of a sudden, here you are and 381 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,759 there she is. So that's why that's what I was saying. I thought 382 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:41,519 it was kind of funny. It's a spirit thing. It's a spirit thing. 383 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:47,079 It's a spirit thing. I love it that happens because you were just 384 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,920 talking about needing reinforcement and questioning the messages that you were receiving. And I 385 00:28:53,000 --> 00:29:00,319 love it when little little things like this that are just gentle reminders. She 386 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,759 just said, it's a spirit thing. It is a spirit thing. Definitely 387 00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:07,000 is a spirit thing. Yeah, there it is. And that's the kind 388 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,119 of stuff that happens. But you know, those are the things that I 389 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,359 think happen to a lot of people and they just don't notice it. They 390 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:17,400 don't you have a deja vous or any of that kind of stuff. But 391 00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:21,880 it's part of it. It's a deja bou thing. Yep. It's kind 392 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,240 of like it's kind of like paranormal investigating. You know, you go into 393 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:32,200 a place and everyone's expecting the Hollywood results of go screaming in your face and 394 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:37,440 shadows and all that kind of stuff. Yeah yeah, but really what happens 395 00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:42,319 is the activity nine out of ten times is very very subtle. So if 396 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,240 you're not taking it in, if you're not paying attention, you can miss 397 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:51,039 it easily. If you're too busy looking at the gadgets and all that kind 398 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,319 of stuff, you're going to miss it. And I think working with spirit 399 00:29:53,519 --> 00:30:00,839 is almost the same thing. The message you get it like subtly, you 400 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,079 know, in your every day life. It could be something as simple as 401 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,920 getting a message from seeing a feather on the ground. I've heard people seeing 402 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,640 pennies mean something. It could be a billboard advertising Nike, but just to 403 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:21,279 I don't know, live bigger could really be a turning point for somebody out 404 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:27,519 there. So I agree, I agree, and don't you think too, 405 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,799 it's the same for us. I mean, this is why people say, 406 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:32,880 oh, do you pick up stuff when you're in the grocery store? No, 407 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,920 because I'm just doing my shopping and my mind isn't there. You know 408 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:40,359 what I mean, right? I think if you don't take the time to 409 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,720 quiet yourself down, you miss it exactly. You have to pay attention to 410 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:49,799 it. I grew up with the paranormal. I've been seeing or having paranormal 411 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:55,240 experiences. Its like age two and three. Wow. So it's been a 412 00:30:55,279 --> 00:31:00,039 long thing. It's been a lifelong journey for me. But there was a 413 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,359 time in high school and in college. I was in med school for a 414 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:08,160 while where all I wanted to do was focus on school and graduate because I 415 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:15,480 wanted a doctorate. And I don't know that I didn't see anything paranormal. 416 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,759 It was like it was forgotten, you know. I just put that part 417 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:23,920 of me away and focused on other things. So if you're not focusing on 418 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,079 it, yeah, you're gonna not hear the messages. No, And like 419 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:32,160 I said, it's that way for all of us now. Not everyone's going 420 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,759 to be a medium, not everyone's going to be out on stage, you 421 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:40,519 know, sharing messages with people. But we all have that little nugget of 422 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:47,160 intuition that that will alert us to certain things. And if you just take 423 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,559 the time to quiet and be aware that it exists and look for it, 424 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:55,400 it'll show up. Mm hmmm. It's very true. Being open in the 425 00:31:55,559 --> 00:32:00,079 spirit. Yes, absolutely absolutely, I wanted her out there too. Being 426 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:05,519 open to spirit doesn't mean you're gonna get possessed every time you go on it 427 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,640 location. That's just saying that. No, it's only happened to me three 428 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:16,160 times. And I can't tell you how many places I've been. I'm not 429 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,720 opening you next time. No, no, I mean it's so true though, 430 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,519 you know, it really is so true. And and and we don't 431 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:27,160 get possessed by doing readings either, you know, you think, oh my 432 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,799 god, you know, I don't have any bad stuff coming in at all. 433 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:35,839 Is Betsy a medium? Yes, she is, She's got Yeah, 434 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:38,799 I was getting just from her messages. I was getting some of that. 435 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:44,279 That's that's great, Betsy. You want to be on a show hit me 436 00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,880 hop after the show? Yeah, I I I Yeah, I think that. 437 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,519 I think it's just fascinating. Really, That's why I like that you're 438 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:57,480 doing. You know, getting back to she says, I've learned I just 439 00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:06,480 prefer to use myself rather than the equipment. And you know what I love. 440 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:13,720 I love equipment, but I love being able to see what I get, 441 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:17,960 you know, I love being able to see I like the cross yeah, 442 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:24,480 and its methods. I mean, dowsing rods is my go to. 443 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,039 I mean, and even that I'll be honest with you. Even that though 444 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:35,440 I sort of get a little bit like i'd rather trust Well, you're not 445 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,440 a medium, so I get it. I want to trust myself even more 446 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,440 than that because I feel like, just you know, you use your hands, 447 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,519 you go back or this way, you know, and you're not even 448 00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:46,319 knowing it, it'll change the way they've been right, And I try to 449 00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:51,359 hold them straight, but then if I breathe, sometimes they move, you 450 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,240 know what I mean. So I don't even know if I trust that one 451 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:59,880 hundred percent either. And I use a pendulum sometimes because I think it's kind 452 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,839 of cool, you know, And I don't know if you do this, 453 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,279 if do you ever use a pendulum cl I have. I have used one 454 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:12,079 before. I do it sometimes if I'm doing a reading, it's you know, 455 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,880 out of sight of the camera or whatever. But when spirit comes, 456 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,800 it spins a lot faster, like you'll see it really starting to like ramp 457 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,440 up. You'll see the energy start to go, and then when it starts, 458 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,280 it's not doing anything. And I know I'm not sitting here spinning it 459 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,079 like that. So well, ultimately, all of those gadgets and things, 460 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:37,400 they're just tools to help us focus and hear what's coming through us anyhow. 461 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:44,280 It's just for me because I'm not a medium. I need things like that. 462 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:50,559 It helps me to understand what's happening and try to get some answers. 463 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,840 So let me ask you this l because you you know, obviously you've got 464 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,719 two shows and you've got you've interviewed a lot of different people from different walks 465 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,199 of life, certainly within the PARANOI. What is your experience. Do people 466 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:09,760 appreciate having mediums to work with on an investigation in general or do you find 467 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,840 that they prefer to just keep it like instruments only, you know what I 468 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,079 mean? Devices? It kind of depends on who you're talking to. Honestly, 469 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,480 I know there's a lot of teams out there who don't believe the mediums. 470 00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:29,880 They feel like, and I could kind of see their point with this. 471 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:35,800 They feel like the medium might stir the investigation a certain way with what 472 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,280 they've said. And I've seen that where you know, they're looking for a 473 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,400 particular thing based on what the medium said. But then on a flip side 474 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:51,039 of it too, I think people are open. A lot of people do 475 00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:55,760 appreciate mediums too. It just depends on which team you're working with and what 476 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,679 the people are expecting you could be with. It seems to be more with 477 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,199 the people who are just so out to approve if something exists or not. 478 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,159 And I think that. I mean, let's be fair, there's like forty 479 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:15,239 four thousand investigating teams right now out then, you know, everywhere. They're 480 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,400 all different, and some of them, let's face it, they're out there 481 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,000 to try to prove if there is life after after death, not for like 482 00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:28,239 the world, but for themselves. So I don't it just depends on who 483 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:34,880 it is and what they're expecting. With the most of them, Yeah, 484 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,079 And I think most of them believe that there is something because they've they've caught 485 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:42,000 a voice on a recorder or they've caught some other you know. Uh, 486 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,400 it's it's the voices. You can't it's undeniable, you know what I mean, 487 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:52,400 answering you intelligently, and I mean, where's that coming from? The 488 00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:57,079 vps are just that's you know, I just love that part of the panormal. 489 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,320 It's the EVPs that's my favorite because I'll be picking something up on an 490 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,840 investigation and all of a sudden you get that EVP and it's just like I 491 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,360 knew it. I knew there was a woman here, Nina. There's no 492 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,480 denying it, Betsy. I get a kick out of this. I tend 493 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,800 to be at crowds where everyone is a medium, so I stay quiet. 494 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:19,199 It's so funny because I was Today's Wednesday, Monday night, I had a 495 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,480 private event and I was mentioning that very same thing to someone at the event 496 00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:25,480 where I was at. I said, you know, when someone finds out 497 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:30,199 you're a medium, all of a sudden, everybody's a medium, you know, 498 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,320 they all have some kind of ability, and they say, look, 499 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,679 we all have a little something. I get it, you know, but 500 00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:40,119 it is kind of funny how that does happen. It brings out already brings 501 00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:44,639 out the other side where they're just completely skeptical and they don't believe in anything. 502 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:45,480 And I've been told that too. I don't believe in any of that. 503 00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:51,000 That's some people. Some people they're just all ad a minute that nothing 504 00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:53,679 exists. They'll they'll actually get kind of mean with you too. I've had 505 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,440 that happen. You know, everyone is entitled to believe what they want to 506 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:04,800 believe. I just feel differently, you know, I think differently. Would 507 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,920 somebody get hateful though I don't understand that. Well, I don't understand that 508 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,639 anyway, you know, Yeah, it's more of you know, they're angry 509 00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:20,199 about who knows life, I guess fair Hello, Anito, welcome to the 510 00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:29,360 show. Yeah, so it's kind of strange. It is. It's it's 511 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,440 strange and I just well, and I was going to say too, you 512 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,199 know, depending on where you go in the world. Like so, so 513 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:42,679 I've got friends over in the UK and they have told me that a team, 514 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:46,480 a paranormal team, is not a team worth its weight if it does 515 00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:52,840 not have a medium. How they feel. I agree how they feel. 516 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:57,480 And I was kicked off a team for being a medium right here in New 517 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,719 England, so you know, I mean, you know, that's just how 518 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,719 it is. And everybody's well, you know, that's all right. They 519 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,360 missed my humor, I'm sure, you know, maybe not, I don't 520 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,280 know, but it is kind of funny. You know, I don't really 521 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,920 understand what what you know, why people have such pushback on it, but 522 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,599 you know, and then you know, a human emotion gets into it. 523 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,800 Need deal with jealousy, you need deal with all the other emotions that human 524 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,880 beings have, and some of it's pretty and someone of it's not, and 525 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,159 so that's just how it is. But I just do my thing. And 526 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:39,159 I like, that's going back to you said like all the before. You 527 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:42,920 know, there's a room full of mediums. I think you have to be 528 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,760 careful out there too, because the term medium and I don't even like using 529 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,840 that word anymore because of this. It's become such a carny thing now. 530 00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:55,320 It's almost like we're gypsy. Yeah, you just have so many people that 531 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,800 are just out there, like like Jo said, they're just paying a shingle 532 00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:02,599 to try to make a dollar. And yes, you know, people get 533 00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:08,840 hurt. And you see these people on television just not doing what they're supposed 534 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:15,280 to be doing, and it's a racket. I hear you. I was 535 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:20,679 contacted by someone who wanted me to work for a nine hundred or eight hundred 536 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,280 number thing medium dial a medium so much a minute. I'm like, that 537 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,840 is not me. I don't need that. That's crazy. I was invited 538 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:37,440 to join the Illuminati, So were you really? Oh that's a yeah, 539 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,480 it's just a cost to join that. Yeah, I don't know. I 540 00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:51,320 never get that far. That's pretty cool, huh. The Illuminati find out 541 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,559 what your credentials are and what you have to do to be what you have 542 00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:57,880 to do to join the Illuminati. That's racial bitch. I mean, that's 543 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:04,199 about my only title. So that's that's. Excuse me, excuse me, 544 00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,000 that's my title. You're the witch, I'm the witch. Could be the 545 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,760 bitch, Yeah, I am. Yeah. I thought you had to be 546 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,000 like Reptalian to be part of the illumine. Aren't they Reptalian or something? 547 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:21,320 I don't know. I just I laugh at those Grand Rising emails or messages 548 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,760 I get. I just start immediately start laughing. Do I want to screw 549 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,280 with them or not? You know, oh my god, Betsy got an 550 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,360 invitation of the Illuminati as well. I don't know what am I doing wrong? 551 00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:37,039 You know, I didn't I say thanks, I'm not interested. However 552 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:42,639 my friends got yeah. Well, you know, you start to feel left 553 00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,920 out. I remember, this is terrible, but you know, I went 554 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,800 through from third grade to high school. Right through high school, I was 555 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,119 in Catholic school, and and I went, you know, I remember all 556 00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:58,239 that stuff going on with the Boston Diasis and all that bologne, and I 557 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,320 want to get into that. But some people were coming out and saying, 558 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,320 oh, you know this one. I was propositioned and this happened to me, 559 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,039 and this happened to me, And I'm like, well, Jesus, 560 00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:08,559 was I the ugly kid on the block because nothing happened to me. Nothing 561 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,199 happened to me, I know. I mean, like you just not to 562 00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:15,719 get a complex after a while, like what nobody wanted me I was. 563 00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:21,000 I am taking this as well your personal mission. I am going to get 564 00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,920 you an invitation to join the Illuminati. Scott, all right, there you 565 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,119 go, because you know, I'll be a little bit. Are those those 566 00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:31,159 people that worship that owl thing in the middle of the Redwood forties? Do 567 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:34,960 you know what I'm talking about? Where all the presidents go and there's like 568 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,760 that giant It has something to do with the presidents and Dan Brown, Da 569 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,280 Vinci Co, the Illuminati all that. Yeah, they're all supposed to be 570 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,960 connected. I don't know how. And then they put the Masonic temple in 571 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:52,719 there somehow too, and it's just I don't know. I like to listen 572 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,159 to the guy with big hair talk about all that stuff. Are the Illuminati 573 00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:01,480 maces? I don't think so. I don't know. You always hear about 574 00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:07,679 the masons and but I don't know. But I wouldn't even begin to talk 575 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,519 about something like that because I could google it. In the first phrase, 576 00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:15,920 it's going to be beyond more than I know. So let's do a show 577 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,599 on the Illuminati. I'm going to ask you to do your homework. You 578 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:24,800 can join, and then we're going to talk about it. Oh what's that? 579 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,000 Make sure you find out what we have to do to join? All 580 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:36,760 right, I'll film the initiation and we'll do this a little underground documentary. 581 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,440 That sounds awesome. Well, you know, CEO will have you coveroard. 582 00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:45,760 She can do that documentary for you. So we should the three of us 583 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,159 should like team up. We'll go under cover. We can all wear black 584 00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:53,920 hoods. Sounds like a plan. That's a Tuesday night in my place right. 585 00:43:54,639 --> 00:44:00,400 According to a family member, the Illuminati did start with a member of 586 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:08,719 amazing. Yeah, like I said, I've heard I've heard connection. What's 587 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,960 that? I've heard connections? But I don't know. I'm usually maybe a 588 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:21,400 cucktail or three in. But when I start watching all that, maybe maybe 589 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,960 not. I don't know. It's I find it fascinating, but I still 590 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,679 don't, you know, I don't know anything. Really, I don't know 591 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,440 anything about it, but I feel like it's all fascinating when I read about 592 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:37,079 that stuff. I just don't know how much of it really exists, you 593 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:39,920 know what I mean? Like I knew people who were Masons, and I 594 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,559 kept trying to get them to give me the Secret Handshake, and I could 595 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,880 never get that. You know, Oh, they have to be killed or 596 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,159 something if they give that. I think they would have to be killed if 597 00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,880 you got the secret handshake. You know, remember Fred Flintstone, you know, 598 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:54,400 like the Grand Pool Bar and they do the whole thing, you know, 599 00:44:54,639 --> 00:45:02,280 Yeah, that kind of thing. Oh my lord, our tinfoil hats 600 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:14,559 got real tight, real quick. How you go from mediumship to the Illuminati. 601 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,559 It's what happens when you have good guests and they just chessy. You 602 00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:21,039 have to go to the what does it say? You have to go to 603 00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:23,760 the Bohemian Grove? Okay, Oh that's yes, that's what I was thinking 604 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,599 of. Have you heard of that place? No? What's that? Well? 605 00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:31,480 Okay, so I think it's out in Washington or Oregon or somewhere with 606 00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:37,719 there's redwoods and it's a grove of trees and everybody goes there to do really 607 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:43,280 weird stuff. There's like this giant twelve foot stone owl and it's right there 608 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,760 and there's like a stage and like they do like the Presidence of stuff will 609 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,519 go there and do ritualistic stuff. It's really weird, weird, really, 610 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,360 Oh, I've got to google that now, the Bohemian Secret. Like you'll 611 00:45:54,360 --> 00:46:00,360 never get in there because it's garden all the time, and but presidents and 612 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,480 stuff will go there and stay and it's like, yeah, it's like a 613 00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:12,679 camp and a video like their version of Harry Potter type stuff. I mean, 614 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,159 I don't know, but if Alex Jones went in, it must be 615 00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,480 real. So I'm going to have to go check that out on this place. 616 00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,679 And it's like, yeah, there's like fire around this owl. Yes, 617 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,960 there it is. There's a picture of it. Oh, where did 618 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,480 that come from? Is that Bill in the background that just put that up? 619 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,880 How'd that get there? But thank you Bill, week week? If 620 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,960 that's Bill? Thank you Bill? Yes, she says, well, because 621 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,400 if that spirit doing that, that's pretty cool. I've never had them like 622 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,360 work on the show, but that was you doing it, so no, 623 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:53,159 it wasn't me. Kind of cool. The presidents of the United States are 624 00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:59,079 all members of whatever goes on there, and they go there I don't and 625 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,760 to do what. I don't know, But there they pray to the hour 626 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,360 or something and some kind of ritual goes on, and who knows, they 627 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:13,239 could be sacrificing somebody. I don't know what woods. I mean, if 628 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,719 he in the woods, he's going to break a hip and it's all over. 629 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,039 I don't think he's going out there in the woods. I don't think. 630 00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:24,000 So it's naked under the moon, she says. This show is going 631 00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:30,920 places. Let me tell you, we're having a good time tonight. We 632 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:36,679 only do that on Saturdays, so not tonight. Yeah, oh my god. 633 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,639 They sacrifice an effigy. I don't know. I think it's I think 634 00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:43,360 it's fascinating. We're gonna have to find out about that. I think that 635 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:55,119 is actually that's about the bohemian growth bohemian girls. Yeah, I'm gonna thinks 636 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,960 Washington or Oregon one of the two. Oh, Washington State, not Washington 637 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,519 DC, Washington State because it's it's it's actually a really pretty place. If 638 00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:09,360 you watched the videos, there's like big giant redwoods all around. It's okay, 639 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,679 I need to introduce you to someone because we're getting down to the last 640 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,000 couple of minutes. He's been bugging me to be on my show, but 641 00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,400 I'm finally doing it from my house to that you can come over here and 642 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:24,519 say, hi, this is Nicholas. Hi. Okay, are you happy? 643 00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:29,000 Now you can tell your friends you've been on a podcast. It's a 644 00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:31,360 little bit all right, Yeah, you're famous. Okay, going over there 645 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:37,079 and I'll be with you a little bit. All right, I want to 646 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:43,360 be on the show. He's grown a little bit, he's grown a lot, 647 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,800 and he's going to be eleven. I can't even believe it. That's 648 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:52,559 what happens. I know, mine got big and flew away. Yeah, 649 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:59,960 I'm telling you, it's crazy. So we only have we only have a 650 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:01,760 oh, four minutes left, four and a half minutes left. Tell me 651 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,440 a little bit more about your podcast where people can find it, and your 652 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,440 book, because people might want that to tell us about your books and your 653 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:14,000 podcast, and so I do have two books that are out. You can 654 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:19,719 find them at c Thomas dot org. You can find everything from c Thomas 655 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,719 dot org. The new podcast The Gateway. I haven't posted that just yet 656 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,199 on my on my social media or anything. Like, well, it is 657 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,199 on my social media. It's not on my website yet, but I'm going 658 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,079 to get that connected sometime this week so you'll be able to find it from 659 00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:37,679 there as well. But yeah, everything's on cl Thomas dot org. Okay, 660 00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:40,159 cool. And one of the books, one's Dancing with Demons. That's 661 00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:45,039 the new one. Dancing with Demons is my personal story. So, like 662 00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:50,199 I've said, I grew up at the paranormal, but I was not afraid 663 00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:53,119 of it. You know how, most people who've had paranormal experiences as a 664 00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:57,679 young child, they say that they were scared and everything. That wasn't the 665 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,960 case with me. The first time I was scared of it was when I 666 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,320 lived in a haunted house in Nashville, And so that's what that story is. 667 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,719 And it was a very negative haunting. There's a lot of stuff that 668 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,679 went on. I don't really want to go into too much detail about what 669 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,519 was going on in the house, but it was a pretty bad haunting. 670 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:22,039 Oh it just but a good thing did come out of it. I mean, 671 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,079 once I came out, I was reintroduced to the spirit world and I 672 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,280 was back on this journey again to working with spirit. And I don't know 673 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,960 it's been quite a journey. Good for you, and I'm glad to call 674 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,800 you my friend, even though we don't talk all the time, and she 675 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,840 thinks sometimes I hate her like I ditched her, but I didn't. It's 676 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,320 just me being caught up in light. But I am so glad that you 677 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,000 are my friend and we get to talk like this, and I get to 678 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,239 be on your show, the new one, The Gateway, that's December twenty 679 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:58,400 sixth, so look for us there. I wanted to just share too real 680 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,239 quickly because I see Bill's been posting some things in the chat here. Tonight 681 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,320 is the Geminids meteor shower. It peaks tonight, so if you go outside, 682 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,360 you're going to see up to like one hundred medi years an hour. 683 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,159 So we'll have to go outside and take a peek. He's going to be 684 00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:19,280 streaming it right afterwards. What is this? Bill, Bob Christoperno, Tony 685 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,639 Martinez, Michael Shratt, and Linda Zimmerman on with me at nine pm tonight 686 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:30,400 and they're going to be streaming it. Let's see Skywatcher gaming on YouTube, 687 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,599 So if you go to YouTube but a Skywatcher gaming, it's going to be 688 00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:37,679 there. Betsy thanks for taking part in the conversation tonight. We all love 689 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:43,199 cl She's great and I hope that people will check out her books and check 690 00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:47,960 out her podcasts and all the other great things she's got going on. And 691 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,480 I hope you'll hang on after the show because I do want to chat with 692 00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:53,440 you for just a minute. I know we took away your gym time and 693 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:59,480 everything, and I appreciate that. I'm very grateful that you came on and 694 00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:04,960 joined us tonight. And yeah, and thanks to everyone for being such a 695 00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:08,880 receptive audience. Mary and all the others with us tonight, and our producer 696 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,880 Bill who's backstage keeping everything running. I appreciate all of you. So we 697 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,639 have a minute and a half. Anything else you want to share before we 698 00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:22,280 before we call it a night. I don't have anything. Nope, you 699 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,000 can. If anyone has questions, they can reach out to me. I'll 700 00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:32,239 always answer email or messages or whatever it is on on Instagram and Facebook at 701 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:39,599 CL Thomas. Yes, yes, at CL Thomas. Yeah, yep Thomas. 702 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:45,840 People have a hard time off Thomas. Okay, Yeah, that's good. 703 00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:50,039 I think Christina is so good to see you as always, I'm glad 704 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,239 to see you all decked out for the holiday. I did all the tree, 705 00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:55,360 my tree. I think, I think, I think your fire looks 706 00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:02,719 a little off. But that's all right, that's all right. It's a 707 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,400 little frozen. What is that behind you? Cl is that towels from your 708 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,400 bathroom? That's you made into a coach figure? Or what is that thing 709 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:16,039 back there? So that is actually that's the theme photo that I use for 710 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:22,079 Small Town Tales podcast. But it's a thurtleg talk and it's of this art 711 00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:27,639 installation. Now we are coming to a hard end right here in three minutes. 712 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,440 Have a great night, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us, 713 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:46,000 and we'll see you next time. Good night everyone. You've been listening 714 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:51,639 to The Paranormal Project radio show with Scott Allen and Christina Bowen. Be sure 715 00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:54,239 to subscribe so you don't miss the next episode. While you're there, leave 716 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:59,480 us a rating and review. We'll be back next week with more exciting guests. 717 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,400 Now, go out there and explore the paranormal