Welcome to the Paranormal Project Radio Show. Journey with us through mystical realms to
a world of the unexplained. If you're ready, take a deep breath and
let curiosity be your guide. And now here are your hosts, Spirit Medium
Scott Allen and Christina Bowen, the Green Witch of Tennessee. Hello, everyone,
and welcome to another edition of the Paranormal Project Radio Show. Happy Wednesday
to everybody. How are you Christina this week? I am fabulous. Nice
to see you all decked out in your gay apparel and mule tiede whatever you
want to call it. Hello, Adam, Meagan, Good to see you.
Yeah, it's like it's Christmas in a couple of weeks. I can't
believe, not even a couple of weeks. It's less than two weeks.
It's the craziest thing. It's the craziest thing. Yeah, I don't know
earlier today, but it's like if I don't even know what I've ordered anymore,
Amazon to deliver a go tomorrow and I would not be surprised. Yeah,
would that be for your dad? So I'm telling you, I'm telling
you one thing you and I are good at, besides talking to the dead
and putting hexes on people is hunting at the last minute. So our guest
this week was Katie Katie Elizabeth, who is a champ expert. You know
Lake Champlain Champion is the is the sea monster there? That they are the
lake monster? I guess. And she had a last minute conflict. So
thankfully we have another guest tonight that we're going to tack that. I'm that
we're going to talk to that. I'm equally as excited about. Cel Thomas
is an author. She was on our show last year. She has a
small Town Tales podcast, but she's a brand new podcast and we're going to
talk about that tonight. It's called The Gateway, and we are going to
speak with her about her podcast and all the stuff she's got going on,
because she lives a very interesting, interesting life. Adam Bacon says, monster
Hunter, who are you the monster Hunter? Who's Oh, you're talking about
Katie Elizabeth. Yeah, she's not with us tonight, Adam, she's not
with us tonight. I don't know. She had a conflict that came up
at the last minute. So but we do have cl Thomas. I'm going
to bring her out here in just a second, and let's see hello,
my friend. How are you good to see you again. It's nice to
see you too. Thank you for having me on your show, and thank
you for not getting to the gym in time. This is really great.
Suffered greatly for it. Just so you know, well, you know that's
all right. I was I was texting you, and before I heard from
you, I was texting Christina and I said, like, think about something
to talk about because we need to change gears at about two seconds and I
hate that when that happens. So, but you've got some stuff going on.
So you've launched your new book. I have Dancing the Demons, and
you're still doing Small Town Tales, which I was on last year, and
you were on with us last year, and now you've got The Gateway and
I'm going to be on with you the day after Christmas. So people are
just sitting around looking for something to do. We could talk with what's the
difference between small Town Tales and the new one Gateway. Well, the Small
Town Tales podcast was it started out as a paranormal podcast, but it's really
more about small town legends and things pertaining to the paranormal, and that's where
you're you know, goes to paranormal investigators, and maybe stuff about Bigfoot would
fit on that one, but it wasn't what I really wanted in a podcast.
I was looking more for something to stream and talk to guests about metaphysical
healing, mediumship, spirit talk kind of topics and just you know, spirit
communication, all things mediumship pretty much. And so I created the new show
The Gateway. And there's a woman named Michelle du Rocher. She used to
be on a couple of those paranormal shows she has. I think it is
called the Outer Realm Radio Show. There was an opening that came up on
the one oh seven point seven FM station, and she asked me to do
a new show with her, or not with her, but just to do
a new show in that spot. So I took this spot. Now,
where is that? Is that out in your area? And no, it's
actually broadcast out in New Orleans. Oh it is, Okay, it's audio
only on the radio. Push you're everywhere else, right, You're right?
Yeah, So they put it on. I'm not sure exactly how it works,
but I know it's going out on Roku and a bunch of other different
places. Cool. Now Roku has podcasts. I didn't even know that streaming.
Yeah, it's a radio show. How cool? Is that? Good
for you? Good for you? So, so have you found I mean,
I know you're kind of booked up, right, You've got you've got
a bunch of guests already planned out. But are they all mediums or are
they like larger as like no, So there's a lot of different people that
are coming on the show. So I'll probably I'm going to have you guys
on, sure, but there's a lot of different people that are coming on.
There's a demonologist that's going to speak next week, and nice a paranormal
investigator on last week. But it's you know, it's a direction I really
want to take the show. If I do do paranormal investigators, I want
to take it deeper and what's normally talked about, right, no normal field.
Now you have all of these groups and their primary focus is to collect
and then decide if it exists or not. And to me, this stuff
exists. So what's the next step. And that's where I'm trying to go
with the Gateway podcast. I like that, Well, yeah I do too,
and I think that you know, and I know we're going to talk
about this a little bit on your show. But I think, you know,
the medium ship it's not all about it's not all about doing a reading
at a site, but it's it's using that whatever you want to call it,
that that intuition to be able to sense what you find and how can
we how can we back it up with equipment potentially, you know, just
a just a or vice versa. You know, But I think that I
think there's definitely a place for the medium in the paranormal. Yeah, and
the mediumship doesn't have to be paranormal either. I mean, you know,
you've got a lot of other opportunities too. I mean there's there's mediums that
don't do anything with the paranormal. It's right exactly. I think a mediumship
opens that door to serve spirit and to help somebody actually heal. So there's
a whole other part of it that I think the paranormal world kind of misses.
I love that outlook, I do too. I think that And you
know a lot of people may not know this, but you are developing your
own gifts that you have. And you know, we've talked about this in
the past. Over the last you know, year or two and I think
that the more you embrace it, the stronger it is. Would you say
for yourself, because I know you're seeing some changes and how you get things
and how you are able to yeah, deliver. So you actually turned me
on to Joseph Schiel. He's a Yes, I don't know if he's famous,
but he's a pretty well known medium and he's known for his spirit art
and so I've taken a class or two with him, and it turns out
he's a really good spirit artist, and so I'm training under him for spirit
art for those that don't know, Okay, So there's two different things with
the spirit art. The paranormal Crown seems to take it, as you say,
with the client and you kind of sketch out maybe their spirit guide or
something a little more abstract, whereas I'm taking it into more of an evidential
mediumship side to where you're actually drawling the person. Like I'm able to show
somebody the image and it looks like Grandma or whoever, whoever the spirit is
that that's connecting at that time. So there's some kind of evidential bat or
evidence to what I'm trying to sketch out and whatever spirit that I'm trying to
connect with. That's one. You know. It's funny because I feel like
I've asked Joe this. So Joe, for those of you who don't know,
Joe Shield is pretty famous within the world of mediums. I mean,
he's taught at the Arthur Finlay College in the UK, but he's also now.
He doesn't like the word pastor, but he is. He's pastor of
the Journey Within Church in Pompino Lakes, New Jersey, and the Journey Within
is really the only Spiritualist church in the United States directly linked back to the
UK. Others can call themselves Spiritualist churches, but they're not. They don't
have that tie to the Arthur Finley Spiritualist Union, which is in the UK.
He he is a fantastic medium. He actually mentors me, which I
love. But he's he's a great spirit artist. And I asked him one
day, I said, you know, I think that I don't get I
don't always see spirit as spirit is. I see spirit as I need to
see them to understand what they're trying to say to me. And so I
don't know that I could ever do spirit art. Besides the fact that I
told you yesterday. You know, Grandma would have to look like a stick
figure in order for someone to recognize her in real life. I don't think
I have that talent. But but seriously, I think that I don't know
if I get it the same way, and we don't always all get it
the same way. You know, how I get messages is not how you're
going to get them, and yours comes out in a very different way.
And I think that's what makes it so nice. You know, You're absolutely
right. I'm very visional. I'm very visual anyway. You know. I
have a photography background on the painter, I do all of this artistic stuff,
so I'm very visual. So it's like we talked about this too,
Scott. A lot of times when a spirit is coming through, I don't
always hear them. I don't know, Scott, you said you do.
I usually see it in images. It's almost like flashes, so I'll be
able to catch out. I don't hear like like here, like I don't
hear like I hear you, but it will flash into my mind like immediately,
oh oh, well, like today, you know, I was doing
a reading and like, oh, oh, ro Rose Rose? Who the
name Rose? Oh? Yeah, that's so, and so sometimes it comes
to me like that, So I say here, but I don't know if
I hear here. I don't think I hear it outside of my body.
I think I just get it. And sometimes it'll come out on paper.
So I've I've gotten the habit of like carrying a piece of paper with me
and I doodle and sometimes I'll look back and oh, why did I write
that? Or or this doodle will look like a word that I hadn't even
comprehended, like, oh, does that mean anything to you? And it
does. It'll come out on the paper. So stuff like that will happen.
But you know, other people, they're all clear audient, they'll hear
everything. I'm just not that person, you know. Me. It's a
lot of visual, but not as much as it used to be. And
I feel like you'll find too, the more you do this, the more
fine tune that will actually get for you. I've had some really good results
so far, some of the clients that I've had. You know, I
don't do readings on the normal stuff, so like, I don't do it
for money or anything like that. But the clients I have had, I've
sketched them out and sent them the drawing, and a lot of them will
call me and they're just bawling because it's the stuff that comes out. And
on one lady in particular, it was of a really good friend of hers
who committed suicide just recently. And what I saw was him in like a
full hunter suit. He had like a bunch of antlers around him. There
was a bunch of symbolism that sometimes I get worse, like you're saying,
Like for this one, I had warlock, so I didn't know what that
meant, right, So I just would sketch it on the side and just
leave it there. But when I send it to her, if she called
me and I guess he was a taxi ormist, which is where all the
animal images were coming from, and she knew exactly who this guy was.
It was crazy. I think I even got the name on that one.
But it's funny because I feel like with yours, and you know you've you've
done spirit art for me, I feel like the entire reading is in the
painting. It's not like you just draw Grandma, you know what I mean,
Like Grandma might be there, but it's not just that. It's the
symbolism of I don't know I'm making this up, but the symbolism of where
she is in the photo and the cabin with the brook and the birds and
the trees and the little messages that pop up through it. And I think
that that's what I think is so cool, because even Joe, who does
spirit art, doesn't draw like that. He'll draw the people, and sometimes
you'll draw three, four, five people that'll all show up in the same
photo, but it's not the cabin and the fire and the birds and you
know, all those sort of things. So I actually it's great how we
all get something just a little bit different. It's really interesting, just a
whole field of mediumship. You start to meet other people that have abilities like
this too, and you're right. They all come out in different ways.
Some people will smell things and that's how they're able. I'm not sure exactly
how that works, but they'll smell roses or something that belonged to the client's
mom. I don't know it does, and I'll tell you something strange about
that too. It doesn't happen to me often, but it does happen from
time to time. Only once have I smelled like a perfume that was so
strong it was in the room with me, and I wasn't in a reading.
This is when I was unfolding and everything was like ramped up to you
know, the nth degree. But sometimes in a reading I'll get like cigarette
smoke or perfume or lilacs or whatever it is. But it's not in the
room. It's like in your memory that you can smell. I don't know
how to even explain that to you. I mean, Christina, now you
probably have experienced that at some point, not in a mediumistic way, quite
regularly actually, and I've said I am not a medium, and I don't
ever want to be. I don't know how y'all do it. I really
don't. But that I've had is I routinely, almost nine o'clock every evening,
cigarette smoke comes through the living room. Yeah, I feel like I
know who it is, and you know, I welcome them. But yeah,
it's pretty odd. But for me it is like in the room,
and many times other people can smell it too, So I'll just be sitting
there and like, can y'all not smell that? Yeah? And almost always
yeah, I thought somebody was, you know back there. No nobody's here,
so well you know this too. I'll say this too, and I
and I think, I don't know what you think, Crystal, but see,
but I feel like you know you because you're not a medium, you
need to have it a little more in your faith, which means it would
be in the room and just you're gonna miss it, you know. I
think the more you do this, the more subtle it becomes. And to
be honest, I mean, I wish it was as full blown open as
it was when it first happened, because man, it was like watching a
movie play out and you're getting sounds and smells and feel and it's not like
that anymore. A lot of it is like mind implantation, Like they just
stick it in your mind like a memory you used to have, Like if
you think of your grandmother's perfume, as an example, you can almost smell
it by remembering it. But it's not. It's when it comes unexpected,
like like, oh, well, that's her, that's her, you know
what I mean, It's not like you were thinking of it. That's kind
of what it like. What it's like when it's when it's subtle, And
I think that that's uh, that's how we get it. The more we
do it. It's it's kind of like an instrument where you have to practice
as well to get better at it. It is. Did you learn that
from Jill? Yeah, that's a matter of fact, because he says that
all the time he plays the guitar. But he says, that's how we
are. And it's like you are the instrument and they're there to play you.
I mean in that way, you know, use me, play me,
use my use my thoughts, use my emotions. Anything that that's in
my memory or in my reality you can use. And I feel like the
things get so much better that way. So they do. And I think
the second part of that too, that he teaches is you kind of have
to learn a whole spirit language almost like what does colors mean? What does
numbers mean? Because some people, like me, I'm very visual, I'll
see like for something, and of course that means something. You know,
certain colors for some people will mean anger or whatever it is. Emotion.
There's a lot to it, but you know, you know what those you
know, I feel like, let's just use a color, let's just use
magenta. I don't know, for lack of another word, it may elicit
a feeling in you, but it may be very different than the feeling that
that Christina gets when she sees it, or that I get when I see
it. So it isn't it's we all have our own kind of like library.
For lack of a better words, library is symbol perfect. Yeah,
you know that we use. I mean they all show me, as an
example, someone that's been on blood thinners. Okay, they'll show me like
an arm with all like bruise bard. I'll get that, and I'm like,
oh, like they were on blood thinners. It doesn't mean that they
had black and blue marks. No, it doesn't mean that. It's just
that's how they're showing it to me. But you might get it totally different.
You might see, I don't know something totally different, but it means
the same thing. And it's like we all speak a different language and they
know what that language is and they can communicate with it, which is really
cool. It is really cool. I'm glad they don't speak to me in
like Russian or anything, because I'd missed the whole thing. I wouldn't get
anything. I was what was I going to say? Oh? I always
tell people too, like if it hasn't entered into my memory or into my
imagination, like they can't use it. So if your grandmother was from India
and she had this first name that was twenty six letters long, guess what,
I'm not getting it into reading. It's never going to happen because she
can't talk to me in English and say this is how it's pronounced. Here
you go. They have to give me a way to get it. And
and that's how it is with anything you know. So I you know,
I feel like the more we build that library for ourselves, the better it
is. You know, like, Okay, you need to show me when
when when you want to talk to me about an army person, then you
need to show me this. If you want to show me that they were
an accountant, I need to see this and write it down and make a
library of symbols that you need that you can recognize so that when you see
it, you know what it means and they'll use it. Has that been
your experience to you? Yes, that that's kind of what I'm referring to
when I say spirit language. So you kind of have to learn. You
have to. You have to, like Joe says, you have to know
yourself, you have to learn the spirit art and how the how the spirit
are connecting with you in order to interpret the message. And that's something I
struggled with for a while because I am so visual. It was kind of
hard. I think we've discussed this in the past. It's like I'll see
something, but I don't know how to relay the message. You know,
what does it mean? Yeah, what are you trying to tell me?
Yeah? Exactly, exactly. And sometimes they'll play with you, you know
you think it means. Well, here's an example. This has happened to
me twice in probably the last couple of months. I had a reading just
before we get on the call today, and I have this woman that's in
front of me, and I can see how she's dressed like she's going out
and giving me all kinds of things about how she passed and and you know,
four or five six things that that they could relate to. Except she
said to me, I understand all of it, except it's not a woman.
It's a man. And I said, that's really odd because I'm definitely
seeing a woman. M So then I said, is there a man here
with that same thing? And there was a man there, and it was
almost like a joke, like, oh, playing with you. The woman
was the mother. The woman the man's mother, and she made herself known
at that point. So I'm seeing her, but he's the one that's talking.
He's the one that's giving me the information, like implanting it. So
I've only had that happen twice. And it's the weirdest thing because usually I
can figure out who's the male and who's the female. And it was so
strange that I was getting And it was funny because I went into the reading
and I thought, I've got a man and a woman here, but the
woman is talking louder I could, but it was because she was the visual.
I couldn't see him. She was the visual. He was the voice.
That's really interesting. Yeah, I mean, so look, I don't
understand any of this stuff and why we get what we get. I don't
understand it. Yeah, I don't either. It makes sense. It doesn't,
right, it just happens. It really doesn't. Yeah. Somebody asked
me one time, well, what's it like and how does it work?
And I'm just like, I have no idea, I don't know it.
Just let me know. Yeah, Well I did a house event the other
night, and the guy says, well, I'm a skeptic. I'm like,
good me too, because I don't I really am. You know,
this is why I'm never going to tell you what your spirit guy's names are,
because that's about of boloney. I mean, you know, do they
really have a name? Maybe they do, but how can you prove it.
I only want to do things. We talk about the authenticity of what
we do. I only want to give you what you can understand and validate,
and what you do it's pointless, It's true. I'm trying so hard
not to say zonar Zona. Remember who is the robot on Lost and Space?
It's ours? So that's what I feel like. I don't even know.
It does mean something. Huh the robot robot? It does mean something,
and I can't think I looked it up. It's something reiki symbol.
What it is? It's something to do with reki zon Do you know that?
Do you know? Do you know? Did you know that term?
What does it mean? What's it mean? I can't answer you. I'd
have to google it. I'm just gonna be honest. Okay, So you
don't you don't know what it is. I've heard of it and I recall
it in my class and everything, but it's not a piece that I kept.
I know. It's not something to do with raki, that's all I
know. Hold on, look it up real quick when you when you put
the rake on them, you know, I mean, now when you back,
it's got here and work down and they still bonar go with the great
Yeah, it was not straight reiki. So it says zonar is the first
symbol you learn at the first level of reiki. It can help deep emotional
scars from the present as well as the past. Okay, so there you
go. And what you say, you don't do straight yankee straight yeakey straight
straight reky No, I'm I'm I'm tu. What I do is more energy
work. Reiki is a part of it. But it's just a part of
it, gotcha. So it's not straky, is it geeky? Look?
You know, whatever it is, we do it kids and animals. You
know. That's all I can about anyway, Sorry to go down that path,
that's all right, that's all right, I see it. I see
you always get a little PG and then have to get right back to it.
So we do we do uh, yeah, But I'm as fascinated by
it as I know you are and as other people are, and I don't.
I'm starting to understand what I need to do to do it better,
but I still don't know why it works. Yeah, I think that's you
know, it's the universal question, right, it's one of those questions that
humanity will never be able to answer that. You know, we may not.
We're probably not supposed to know that. You know, that's a very
statement because to seek, we always want the answer. I mean as part
of you know, we're all here anyway, as you know, to grow
to learn the whole purpose of life. Right, we wouldn't grow very much
or seek very much if we knew everything. And I think that's one of
those things that keep us striving and moving forward. That's just my theory on
it. Well, and I don't think it matters. I mean, I
think you get what you get, and we do what we do. And
some people are called to, you know, be a physician, some people
a call to other things. This is it was. It was a little
more less subtle than a phone call. It was a little bit more you
know, intense, but it's it's still a calling. I mean, we
get what we get and I and I think, I don't know about you,
but I feel like the reason we put it off so much, you
know, like I doing this kind of thing was because I am a skeptic
deep down, like it has to be real to me, it has to
feel real, Like I could never do this if I felt like I was
making it up and I needed it proven to me. I needed it proven.
Took me a couple of years just to say, Okay, well,
you know consistently these things that I feel, think whatever that pop into my
head, people understand And that's I think. You know, it took me.
It took me that that that length of time just to understand it.
You know, it's just Betsy Brown Williams. Hi, Betsy, how are
you? Ye? Welcome, Welcome to the show. Williams is such a
sweetheart. You know her. I do know her now. I want to
know how she found you so quickly. Oh it's kind of strange, right,
how she found me on here, on here, no on here,
like all of a sudden you know her? Because I don't. I don't
know Betsy, and you don't know Betsy. I mean, if you knew
Betsy like I know Betsy. Oh no, hey, chriss g ratings got
g rating, that's rating. No. I just think it's great because you
weren't our scheduled guest, and all of a sudden, here you are and
there she is. So that's why that's what I was saying. I thought
it was kind of funny. It's a spirit thing. It's a spirit thing.
It's a spirit thing. I love it that happens because you were just
talking about needing reinforcement and questioning the messages that you were receiving. And I
love it when little little things like this that are just gentle reminders. She
just said, it's a spirit thing. It is a spirit thing. Definitely
is a spirit thing. Yeah, there it is. And that's the kind
of stuff that happens. But you know, those are the things that I
think happen to a lot of people and they just don't notice it. They
don't you have a deja vous or any of that kind of stuff. But
it's part of it. It's a deja bou thing. Yep. It's kind
of like it's kind of like paranormal investigating. You know, you go into
a place and everyone's expecting the Hollywood results of go screaming in your face and
shadows and all that kind of stuff. Yeah yeah, but really what happens
is the activity nine out of ten times is very very subtle. So if
you're not taking it in, if you're not paying attention, you can miss
it easily. If you're too busy looking at the gadgets and all that kind
of stuff, you're going to miss it. And I think working with spirit
is almost the same thing. The message you get it like subtly, you
know, in your every day life. It could be something as simple as
getting a message from seeing a feather on the ground. I've heard people seeing
pennies mean something. It could be a billboard advertising Nike, but just to
I don't know, live bigger could really be a turning point for somebody out
there. So I agree, I agree, and don't you think too,
it's the same for us. I mean, this is why people say,
oh, do you pick up stuff when you're in the grocery store? No,
because I'm just doing my shopping and my mind isn't there. You know
what I mean, right? I think if you don't take the time to
quiet yourself down, you miss it exactly. You have to pay attention to
it. I grew up with the paranormal. I've been seeing or having paranormal
experiences. Its like age two and three. Wow. So it's been a
long thing. It's been a lifelong journey for me. But there was a
time in high school and in college. I was in med school for a
while where all I wanted to do was focus on school and graduate because I
wanted a doctorate. And I don't know that I didn't see anything paranormal.
It was like it was forgotten, you know. I just put that part
of me away and focused on other things. So if you're not focusing on
it, yeah, you're gonna not hear the messages. No, And like
I said, it's that way for all of us now. Not everyone's going
to be a medium, not everyone's going to be out on stage, you
know, sharing messages with people. But we all have that little nugget of
intuition that that will alert us to certain things. And if you just take
the time to quiet and be aware that it exists and look for it,
it'll show up. Mm hmmm. It's very true. Being open in the
spirit. Yes, absolutely absolutely, I wanted her out there too. Being
open to spirit doesn't mean you're gonna get possessed every time you go on it
location. That's just saying that. No, it's only happened to me three
times. And I can't tell you how many places I've been. I'm not
opening you next time. No, no, I mean it's so true though,
you know, it really is so true. And and and we don't
get possessed by doing readings either, you know, you think, oh my
god, you know, I don't have any bad stuff coming in at all.
Is Betsy a medium? Yes, she is, She's got Yeah,
I was getting just from her messages. I was getting some of that.
That's that's great, Betsy. You want to be on a show hit me
hop after the show? Yeah, I I I Yeah, I think that.
I think it's just fascinating. Really, That's why I like that you're
doing. You know, getting back to she says, I've learned I just
prefer to use myself rather than the equipment. And you know what I love.
I love equipment, but I love being able to see what I get,
you know, I love being able to see I like the cross yeah,
and its methods. I mean, dowsing rods is my go to.
I mean, and even that I'll be honest with you. Even that though
I sort of get a little bit like i'd rather trust Well, you're not
a medium, so I get it. I want to trust myself even more
than that because I feel like, just you know, you use your hands,
you go back or this way, you know, and you're not even
knowing it, it'll change the way they've been right, And I try to
hold them straight, but then if I breathe, sometimes they move, you
know what I mean. So I don't even know if I trust that one
hundred percent either. And I use a pendulum sometimes because I think it's kind
of cool, you know, And I don't know if you do this,
if do you ever use a pendulum cl I have. I have used one
before. I do it sometimes if I'm doing a reading, it's you know,
out of sight of the camera or whatever. But when spirit comes,
it spins a lot faster, like you'll see it really starting to like ramp
up. You'll see the energy start to go, and then when it starts,
it's not doing anything. And I know I'm not sitting here spinning it
like that. So well, ultimately, all of those gadgets and things,
they're just tools to help us focus and hear what's coming through us anyhow.
It's just for me because I'm not a medium. I need things like that.
It helps me to understand what's happening and try to get some answers.
So let me ask you this l because you you know, obviously you've got
two shows and you've got you've interviewed a lot of different people from different walks
of life, certainly within the PARANOI. What is your experience. Do people
appreciate having mediums to work with on an investigation in general or do you find
that they prefer to just keep it like instruments only, you know what I
mean? Devices? It kind of depends on who you're talking to. Honestly,
I know there's a lot of teams out there who don't believe the mediums.
They feel like, and I could kind of see their point with this.
They feel like the medium might stir the investigation a certain way with what
they've said. And I've seen that where you know, they're looking for a
particular thing based on what the medium said. But then on a flip side
of it too, I think people are open. A lot of people do
appreciate mediums too. It just depends on which team you're working with and what
the people are expecting you could be with. It seems to be more with
the people who are just so out to approve if something exists or not.
And I think that. I mean, let's be fair, there's like forty
four thousand investigating teams right now out then, you know, everywhere. They're
all different, and some of them, let's face it, they're out there
to try to prove if there is life after after death, not for like
the world, but for themselves. So I don't it just depends on who
it is and what they're expecting. With the most of them, Yeah,
And I think most of them believe that there is something because they've they've caught
a voice on a recorder or they've caught some other you know. Uh,
it's it's the voices. You can't it's undeniable, you know what I mean,
answering you intelligently, and I mean, where's that coming from? The
vps are just that's you know, I just love that part of the panormal.
It's the EVPs that's my favorite because I'll be picking something up on an
investigation and all of a sudden you get that EVP and it's just like I
knew it. I knew there was a woman here, Nina. There's no
denying it, Betsy. I get a kick out of this. I tend
to be at crowds where everyone is a medium, so I stay quiet.
It's so funny because I was Today's Wednesday, Monday night, I had a
private event and I was mentioning that very same thing to someone at the event
where I was at. I said, you know, when someone finds out
you're a medium, all of a sudden, everybody's a medium, you know,
they all have some kind of ability, and they say, look,
we all have a little something. I get it, you know, but
it is kind of funny how that does happen. It brings out already brings
out the other side where they're just completely skeptical and they don't believe in anything.
And I've been told that too. I don't believe in any of that.
That's some people. Some people they're just all ad a minute that nothing
exists. They'll they'll actually get kind of mean with you too. I've had
that happen. You know, everyone is entitled to believe what they want to
believe. I just feel differently, you know, I think differently. Would
somebody get hateful though I don't understand that. Well, I don't understand that
anyway, you know, Yeah, it's more of you know, they're angry
about who knows life, I guess fair Hello, Anito, welcome to the
show. Yeah, so it's kind of strange. It is. It's it's
strange and I just well, and I was going to say too, you
know, depending on where you go in the world. Like so, so
I've got friends over in the UK and they have told me that a team,
a paranormal team, is not a team worth its weight if it does
not have a medium. How they feel. I agree how they feel.
And I was kicked off a team for being a medium right here in New
England, so you know, I mean, you know, that's just how
it is. And everybody's well, you know, that's all right. They
missed my humor, I'm sure, you know, maybe not, I don't
know, but it is kind of funny. You know, I don't really
understand what what you know, why people have such pushback on it, but
you know, and then you know, a human emotion gets into it.
Need deal with jealousy, you need deal with all the other emotions that human
beings have, and some of it's pretty and someone of it's not, and
so that's just how it is. But I just do my thing. And
I like, that's going back to you said like all the before. You
know, there's a room full of mediums. I think you have to be
careful out there too, because the term medium and I don't even like using
that word anymore because of this. It's become such a carny thing now.
It's almost like we're gypsy. Yeah, you just have so many people that
are just out there, like like Jo said, they're just paying a shingle
to try to make a dollar. And yes, you know, people get
hurt. And you see these people on television just not doing what they're supposed
to be doing, and it's a racket. I hear you. I was
contacted by someone who wanted me to work for a nine hundred or eight hundred
number thing medium dial a medium so much a minute. I'm like, that
is not me. I don't need that. That's crazy. I was invited
to join the Illuminati, So were you really? Oh that's a yeah,
it's just a cost to join that. Yeah, I don't know. I
never get that far. That's pretty cool, huh. The Illuminati find out
what your credentials are and what you have to do to be what you have
to do to join the Illuminati. That's racial bitch. I mean, that's
about my only title. So that's that's. Excuse me, excuse me,
that's my title. You're the witch, I'm the witch. Could be the
bitch, Yeah, I am. Yeah. I thought you had to be
like Reptalian to be part of the illumine. Aren't they Reptalian or something?
I don't know. I just I laugh at those Grand Rising emails or messages
I get. I just start immediately start laughing. Do I want to screw
with them or not? You know, oh my god, Betsy got an
invitation of the Illuminati as well. I don't know what am I doing wrong?
You know, I didn't I say thanks, I'm not interested. However
my friends got yeah. Well, you know, you start to feel left
out. I remember, this is terrible, but you know, I went
through from third grade to high school. Right through high school, I was
in Catholic school, and and I went, you know, I remember all
that stuff going on with the Boston Diasis and all that bologne, and I
want to get into that. But some people were coming out and saying,
oh, you know this one. I was propositioned and this happened to me,
and this happened to me, And I'm like, well, Jesus,
was I the ugly kid on the block because nothing happened to me. Nothing
happened to me, I know. I mean, like you just not to
get a complex after a while, like what nobody wanted me I was.
I am taking this as well your personal mission. I am going to get
you an invitation to join the Illuminati. Scott, all right, there you
go, because you know, I'll be a little bit. Are those those
people that worship that owl thing in the middle of the Redwood forties? Do
you know what I'm talking about? Where all the presidents go and there's like
that giant It has something to do with the presidents and Dan Brown, Da
Vinci Co, the Illuminati all that. Yeah, they're all supposed to be
connected. I don't know how. And then they put the Masonic temple in
there somehow too, and it's just I don't know. I like to listen
to the guy with big hair talk about all that stuff. Are the Illuminati
maces? I don't think so. I don't know. You always hear about
the masons and but I don't know. But I wouldn't even begin to talk
about something like that because I could google it. In the first phrase,
it's going to be beyond more than I know. So let's do a show
on the Illuminati. I'm going to ask you to do your homework. You
can join, and then we're going to talk about it. Oh what's that?
Make sure you find out what we have to do to join? All
right, I'll film the initiation and we'll do this a little underground documentary.
That sounds awesome. Well, you know, CEO will have you coveroard.
She can do that documentary for you. So we should the three of us
should like team up. We'll go under cover. We can all wear black
hoods. Sounds like a plan. That's a Tuesday night in my place right.
According to a family member, the Illuminati did start with a member of
amazing. Yeah, like I said, I've heard I've heard connection. What's
that? I've heard connections? But I don't know. I'm usually maybe a
cucktail or three in. But when I start watching all that, maybe maybe
not. I don't know. It's I find it fascinating, but I still
don't, you know, I don't know anything. Really, I don't know
anything about it, but I feel like it's all fascinating when I read about
that stuff. I just don't know how much of it really exists, you
know what I mean? Like I knew people who were Masons, and I
kept trying to get them to give me the Secret Handshake, and I could
never get that. You know, Oh, they have to be killed or
something if they give that. I think they would have to be killed if
you got the secret handshake. You know, remember Fred Flintstone, you know,
like the Grand Pool Bar and they do the whole thing, you know,
Yeah, that kind of thing. Oh my lord, our tinfoil hats
got real tight, real quick. How you go from mediumship to the Illuminati.
It's what happens when you have good guests and they just chessy. You
have to go to the what does it say? You have to go to
the Bohemian Grove? Okay, Oh that's yes, that's what I was thinking
of. Have you heard of that place? No? What's that? Well?
Okay, so I think it's out in Washington or Oregon or somewhere with
there's redwoods and it's a grove of trees and everybody goes there to do really
weird stuff. There's like this giant twelve foot stone owl and it's right there
and there's like a stage and like they do like the Presidence of stuff will
go there and do ritualistic stuff. It's really weird, weird, really,
Oh, I've got to google that now, the Bohemian Secret. Like you'll
never get in there because it's garden all the time, and but presidents and
stuff will go there and stay and it's like, yeah, it's like a
camp and a video like their version of Harry Potter type stuff. I mean,
I don't know, but if Alex Jones went in, it must be
real. So I'm going to have to go check that out on this place.
And it's like, yeah, there's like fire around this owl. Yes,
there it is. There's a picture of it. Oh, where did
that come from? Is that Bill in the background that just put that up?
How'd that get there? But thank you Bill, week week? If
that's Bill? Thank you Bill? Yes, she says, well, because
if that spirit doing that, that's pretty cool. I've never had them like
work on the show, but that was you doing it, so no,
it wasn't me. Kind of cool. The presidents of the United States are
all members of whatever goes on there, and they go there I don't and
to do what. I don't know, But there they pray to the hour
or something and some kind of ritual goes on, and who knows, they
could be sacrificing somebody. I don't know what woods. I mean, if
he in the woods, he's going to break a hip and it's all over.
I don't think he's going out there in the woods. I don't think.
So it's naked under the moon, she says. This show is going
places. Let me tell you, we're having a good time tonight. We
only do that on Saturdays, so not tonight. Yeah, oh my god.
They sacrifice an effigy. I don't know. I think it's I think
it's fascinating. We're gonna have to find out about that. I think that
is actually that's about the bohemian growth bohemian girls. Yeah, I'm gonna thinks
Washington or Oregon one of the two. Oh, Washington State, not Washington
DC, Washington State because it's it's it's actually a really pretty place. If
you watched the videos, there's like big giant redwoods all around. It's okay,
I need to introduce you to someone because we're getting down to the last
couple of minutes. He's been bugging me to be on my show, but
I'm finally doing it from my house to that you can come over here and
say, hi, this is Nicholas. Hi. Okay, are you happy?
Now you can tell your friends you've been on a podcast. It's a
little bit all right, Yeah, you're famous. Okay, going over there
and I'll be with you a little bit. All right, I want to
be on the show. He's grown a little bit, he's grown a lot,
and he's going to be eleven. I can't even believe it. That's
what happens. I know, mine got big and flew away. Yeah,
I'm telling you, it's crazy. So we only have we only have a
oh, four minutes left, four and a half minutes left. Tell me
a little bit more about your podcast where people can find it, and your
book, because people might want that to tell us about your books and your
podcast, and so I do have two books that are out. You can
find them at c Thomas dot org. You can find everything from c Thomas
dot org. The new podcast The Gateway. I haven't posted that just yet
on my on my social media or anything. Like, well, it is
on my social media. It's not on my website yet, but I'm going
to get that connected sometime this week so you'll be able to find it from
there as well. But yeah, everything's on cl Thomas dot org. Okay,
cool. And one of the books, one's Dancing with Demons. That's
the new one. Dancing with Demons is my personal story. So, like
I've said, I grew up at the paranormal, but I was not afraid
of it. You know how, most people who've had paranormal experiences as a
young child, they say that they were scared and everything. That wasn't the
case with me. The first time I was scared of it was when I
lived in a haunted house in Nashville, And so that's what that story is.
And it was a very negative haunting. There's a lot of stuff that
went on. I don't really want to go into too much detail about what
was going on in the house, but it was a pretty bad haunting.
Oh it just but a good thing did come out of it. I mean,
once I came out, I was reintroduced to the spirit world and I
was back on this journey again to working with spirit. And I don't know
it's been quite a journey. Good for you, and I'm glad to call
you my friend, even though we don't talk all the time, and she
thinks sometimes I hate her like I ditched her, but I didn't. It's
just me being caught up in light. But I am so glad that you
are my friend and we get to talk like this, and I get to
be on your show, the new one, The Gateway, that's December twenty
sixth, so look for us there. I wanted to just share too real
quickly because I see Bill's been posting some things in the chat here. Tonight
is the Geminids meteor shower. It peaks tonight, so if you go outside,
you're going to see up to like one hundred medi years an hour.
So we'll have to go outside and take a peek. He's going to be
streaming it right afterwards. What is this? Bill, Bob Christoperno, Tony
Martinez, Michael Shratt, and Linda Zimmerman on with me at nine pm tonight
and they're going to be streaming it. Let's see Skywatcher gaming on YouTube,
So if you go to YouTube but a Skywatcher gaming, it's going to be
there. Betsy thanks for taking part in the conversation tonight. We all love
cl She's great and I hope that people will check out her books and check
out her podcasts and all the other great things she's got going on. And
I hope you'll hang on after the show because I do want to chat with
you for just a minute. I know we took away your gym time and
everything, and I appreciate that. I'm very grateful that you came on and
joined us tonight. And yeah, and thanks to everyone for being such a
receptive audience. Mary and all the others with us tonight, and our producer
Bill who's backstage keeping everything running. I appreciate all of you. So we
have a minute and a half. Anything else you want to share before we
before we call it a night. I don't have anything. Nope, you
can. If anyone has questions, they can reach out to me. I'll
always answer email or messages or whatever it is on on Instagram and Facebook at
CL Thomas. Yes, yes, at CL Thomas. Yeah, yep Thomas.
People have a hard time off Thomas. Okay, Yeah, that's good.
I think Christina is so good to see you as always, I'm glad
to see you all decked out for the holiday. I did all the tree,
my tree. I think, I think, I think your fire looks
a little off. But that's all right, that's all right. It's a
little frozen. What is that behind you? Cl is that towels from your
bathroom? That's you made into a coach figure? Or what is that thing
back there? So that is actually that's the theme photo that I use for
Small Town Tales podcast. But it's a thurtleg talk and it's of this art
installation. Now we are coming to a hard end right here in three minutes.
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