WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:15.679 Well Whiskey coma why Don't from Powerline blog dot com and produced by Ricochet dot 2 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:22.679 com. This is the three Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward, 3 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:33.240 John Yu and power Lines International Woman of Mystery Lucretia gott a giving w where 4 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:39.520 you're being in loud down and low. Well, Hi everybody, and welcome 5 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:43.679 to an irregular edition of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour, which really should probably 6 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:48.119 today be called the two Whiskey Happy Hour because it's just me and Lucretia and 7 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:52.119 we didn't even get together and tape in the usual way. Lucretia is indisposed 8 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:55.880 this weekend, and John Yu is back giving a lecture and Philly Cheese steak 9 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:00.119 procurement tour in the East and was also unavailable to record at any of our 10 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:04.480 usual time slots, So what I have instead is last weekend, Lucretia and 11 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:11.159 I gave the keynote address for Animal Girls annual gathering she calls comment or con 12 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:15.959 and it's her friends who are fans of her Friday column and various other acquaintances 13 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:22.319 of hers invitation only, and Lucretia and I were asked to give observations on 14 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:26.159 the current scene. My talk was called is it going to get worse? 15 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:30.439 Before it gets worse? And Lucretia complimented it with some thoughts on the future 16 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.319 of free speech. Now. We're both were recovering from a cold, so 17 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.799 my voice was a rasby then and still a little bit raspy today. But 18 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:41.599 in any case, without further ado, we're going to just get right into 19 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:44.560 it. We had a few of our usual sound irregularities, and you can't 20 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:48.239 completely hear all the questions from the audience, but I think you'll enjoy it 21 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:57.560 nonetheless, So without further ado, here we go. Well, look, 22 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.200 Susan, it's really a thrill to be here and important. I think it 23 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:07.159 just so happens by coincidence. I received today the latest circular from the Centers 24 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:13.680 for Disease Control. Their latest finding is that conservatism cannot be spread by casual 25 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.960 contact. So you know, we need gatherings like this, and more power 26 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:22.319 to Susan for doing this, and I hope we do more. I bring 27 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:27.400 you greetings from power Line Central, now offering pornography to go with our content 28 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:30.439 moderation. If those of you follow the comment drama about this, we'll be 29 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:36.400 familiar with this episode. Who knew you could get around our content moderation screens 30 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:42.879 by simply acting out your expletives that are otherwise banned from the comment threat new 31 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:49.360 possibilities for interpretive dance. And you know, it took us several days to 32 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:53.639 get that solved, during which time John hinder Rocker and I were doing wellness 33 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:58.439 checks on Scott Johnson about every ninety minutes, because you know, we feared 34 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:05.080 he was going to have an aneurysm at anymore. But I do mean that 35 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:07.639 a mild defense of some of our screens, which are sometimes too aggressive. 36 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:14.719 You think about the commonplace acronym POS, which usually means piece of you know 37 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:19.240 what. Now, the problem is now when lucreci uses POS, we sort 38 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:23.039 of know what she usually means by it. But if you're in the commercial 39 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:28.039 world, you'll know that POS can also mean point of sale and so true 40 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:32.360 story. Someone actually posted a comment one day that talked about our POS White 41 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:37.360 House. Now, if you're an automatic content screen, is that is that 42 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:42.439 referring to Biden family corruption or the gray matter between his ears? It's sort 43 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:46.439 of not entirely clear, And in this case, it's really a problem when 44 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:51.240 you think about it. I've been saying for years that it's much better to 45 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:55.159 have a crook in office than a liberal, because a crook cannot steal as 46 00:03:55.280 --> 00:04:01.599 much as a liberal can give away. Now we were, well, No, 47 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:05.360 the problem now is that we have both in the White House at the 48 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:12.280 same time. So we're doubly screwed. Right, Okay, someday we're going 49 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:16.199 to fix all this. We are a year into a very expensive web redesign 50 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:19.240 that's gotten nowhere. We have all kinds of technical problems that you don't see 51 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:23.240 on the actual visual page, but lots of things are breaking and not working, 52 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.879 and I don't know why it's taking so long. But we're not the 53 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:28.360 only people having this problem, it turns out. But I won't bory with 54 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.800 that. Let's see what else to add here before we really get going. 55 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:40.519 Oh, Susan of course announced that the general theme for this year's conference was 56 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:45.399 what election? By which I thought she meant, or the meaning I decided 57 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:48.480 to run with was this is my disposition is to try and take a long 58 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:53.399 term outlook in a short run time. In other words, we tend to 59 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:57.160 follow the election cycle, the twenty four hour news cycle, and so we 60 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.920 both are much more interested in longer term forces that a lot of the short 61 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:05.120 term problems and trying to fix things in the short run is often ineffective and 62 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:10.079 counterproductive if you don't grapple with the longer term problems. So I'll just limit 63 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:14.720 my rank punditry to just saying very briefly that really, there's only two things 64 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:19.800 I don't like about the Biden administration. It's domestic policy and it's foreign policy. 65 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:27.199 Other than that, it's pretty good, right, sons, And I 66 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:30.920 am tempted to say, of course, right now, I'll say more about 67 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:32.879 this going forward, but we'd live at a time to twist that old liberal 68 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:38.279 cliche. Let's give war a chance. All. That's all we are saying, 69 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:42.399 right, it'd be nice if victory were in the American vocabulary. That 70 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:46.839 seems to be a problem. Not only has the Bide administration one more common 71 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.600 Susan. Sorry, not only has the Bide administration been appeasing Iran, but 72 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:54.920 for all their tough talk on China, I'll bet they'll be appeasing China before 73 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:59.279 long too. And the problem with appeasing communist China is two hours later, 74 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:03.040 you feel like you have to do it all over again. Okay, Sorry, 75 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:14.040 yes, you're probably right, Okay, but what impeccable timing, Susan 76 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:18.160 to have this conference at the beginning of World War three, that's terrific timing. 77 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:23.680 And I did propose to Susan. I mean, the title is will 78 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:28.399 it get worse before it gets worse? The main focus I thought this is 79 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:31.040 some weeks ago, but it's of course obviously still even more salient over the 80 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:35.439 last events of the last three six hours, is to talk a little bit 81 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:41.079 about the wider meaning of October seven and its aftermath, a date that I 82 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:46.240 think will live in history along with December seventh and September eleven. And my 83 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:51.639 first opening interpretive frame is what I call my first law of insufficient paranoia. 84 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:56.920 And the first law of insufficient paranoia is, no matter how bad you think 85 00:06:57.079 --> 00:07:00.160 things look, you will invariably find out when you look, things are even 86 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:05.160 worse than you thought. And what October seven revealed this part, I think 87 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:10.120 is obvious to everyone here, is that anti Semitism is not only back, 88 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:15.399 but it's back bigger than ever. But it's more. No, it was 89 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.519 never gone, but I think there is something new now. I think it's 90 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:23.560 more than just the old ethnic resentments which was ugly enough all by itself. 91 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:29.040 It hasn't added ideological dimension that I'll say more about going forward. My key 92 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:34.040 proposition for everyone here and actually anywhere, is that the Gaza war, and 93 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:40.439 however much it may widen, is not just Israel's fight. It's all of 94 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:48.160 our fights. And I think this is also I think, obviously I want 95 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.839 to really focus in and crystallize it, is that the hatred that's directed at 96 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:57.160 Israel than the Jews right now is meant for all of the rest of us 97 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:01.800 too. I mean, you know, when you hear crowds shout death to 98 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:07.920 America, which is now being chanted in some streets in America as well as 99 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:13.759 in too many classrooms, we should believe the people who say this. I 100 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.279 have to say, I think it was on Wednesday of this week I get 101 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.560 on Twitter and I see one of the five things trending was death to America, 102 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.360 and I thought, all of this again, right, but there it 103 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:26.879 is. We should take it seriously. That's point number one. The second 104 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.079 thing is I'm amazed that no one has pointed this out before now, and 105 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.399 I haven't had a chance to write this up yet. But cast your mind 106 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:37.919 back to what was that five or six years ago when you had a handful 107 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:43.840 of young men with their tiki torches from Peer one in Charlottesville, and their 108 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.720 chant was, Jews will not replace us. And I kept wanting to say, 109 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:52.039 I've gotten news for you for the Asians, but never mind. But 110 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.320 the point was is what it was like one hundred and fifty of them, 111 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.000 And I don't want to overstate it, but these are kind of losers. 112 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.000 Really. I mean, I'm sorry, I just have to be blunt about 113 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:05.200 the matter. But you would have thought that this was the worst outrage in 114 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.440 the history of humanity, at least ranking up with a crystal knock right. 115 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.440 And part of it was it was sheer opportunism by the media and the left 116 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.639 in President Trump's opponents, because of course President Trump waited in his comments grossly 117 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.679 distorted and taken out of context. President Biden is still lying about them. 118 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:22.679 I'm just going to assume you all know that story, but I'll skip over 119 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:28.000 it if you don't, and you can look it up. And suddenly now 120 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:33.679 much worse by much more serious and dangerous people, as being said every day 121 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:39.960 in countless places across America and across the world, and nobody is praising a 122 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:46.080 similar intensity of fuss about it. That's, I mean, the hypocrisy of 123 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.360 the left, the bad faith of the left. All this is I'm pretty 124 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:54.559 obvious, so I'll reach state my thesis, which is the hatred of the 125 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:58.519 Jews. We're seeing so dramatically right now. It's just a part of the 126 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:05.399 compre intensive hatred for our civilization by the cultural left that dominates many of our 127 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:09.960 cultural institutions around the world. You know, my late friend, Sir Roger 128 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:15.519 Scrutin described it as what you call the culture of repudiation. Find something that 129 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.039 works, that's been successful, that's great, that's beautiful, and the left 130 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:22.559 wants to tear us down, wants to tear it down and destroy it. 131 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:24.360 You can call it nihilism too, if you want. That's simpler and more 132 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:30.039 straightforward. But President Trump was obviously right when he said, don't think this 133 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:33.840 is gonna stop, but taking down the statues of Confederate generals, it's gonna 134 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.000 spread elsewhere. He was absolutely right about this, and he gets no credit 135 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:41.480 for it at all from anybody. A couple more comments and then I'm gonna 136 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:46.320 toss it to Lucretia, who I make sure haven't interrupted me yet. I 137 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:56.559 did, you just didn't notice. Winston Churchill wrote this in the last volume 138 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:00.879 of his volume six of his World War Two memoirs, quoting them here, 139 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:07.200 No two cities have counted more with mankind than Athens and Jerusalem. Their messages 140 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:11.639 in religion, philosophy, and art have been the main guiding lights of modern 141 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:18.960 faith and culture. So there Athens in Jerusalem. That's precisely the problem for 142 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:24.240 the cultural left. They hate Athens every bit as much as they hate Jerusalem. 143 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:28.000 And the United States may be a poor substitute for Athens these days, 144 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.399 but it's going to have to do. We're kind of the best there is 145 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.240 in the grand scheme of things. And if you take a longer, look 146 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.600 back for a moment, I'll give you my own synoptic history of the last 147 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.440 thirty five forty years. It is now more clear than ever. But it 148 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.519 was becoming evident to me as early as at least twenty ten, if not 149 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:52.279 earlier, that the end of the Cold War was not a great victory for 150 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:56.080 the liberal tradition understood correctly, the liberal tradition, I mean, or even 151 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:01.639 democracy, still less Western civilization itself. The left went to ground, They 152 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:07.120 went into hiding, and they reinvented itself or themselves, and they re emerged 153 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:11.600 with new labels for old dogmas, but intended to say, you know that 154 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:15.759 the phrase it's often used is cultural Marxism, and that phrase is not wrong, 155 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:20.240 but it's also not exactly right in this sense. Marxism was at least 156 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.799 based on a rational theory. In other words, it is a theory you 157 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:28.279 could argue with. Its successors are not based on any appeal to reason and 158 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.000 objectivity at all. There's no theory behind it. So it's actually worse than 159 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:37.840 Marxism. It's displaced reason as a ground for argument, in the ground for 160 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:43.159 being. So I like to say that actually is one of our teachers said 161 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.440 this years ago, racism. You're this everywhere. What does racism really mean? 162 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.320 It means any opposition to the program of the left, that's all. 163 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.720 It means. A ditto for diversity. They did it for all the other 164 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.960 jargon. You can hear a pardon my cough, where both of us fighting 165 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.759 off the latest bug from a Chinese laboratory. I'm negative for COVID, but 166 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.080 I'm still got a cough, and she's got a similar malady. The Chinese 167 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:13.679 are testing out on US. And so when you come back to for a 168 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.960 moment, the new anti semitism, as I say, it's not just the 169 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.639 old ethnic stereotypes, bad as they are. But now there's this ideology of 170 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:26.960 settler colonialism. You may have heard this, you're following this in the press. 171 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:31.960 And of course colonialism is just a derivative of old fashioned Leninism. And 172 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.240 there's not even a historical argument here. It's one thing to challenge in various 173 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:39.919 ways, the you know, the Bow for Declaration, the mandates of the 174 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.960 League of Nations, the UN partition settlement of nineteen forty eight. That's not 175 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:48.000 really happening at all. It's now just settler colonialism. Therefore you're unjust your 176 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.679 oppressors. And of course the architecture of this argument is the premise assumes the 177 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:58.120 conclusion that you want to generate. So it's very tautological and you can't argue 178 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.799 with these people at all. So how did this happen? It happened in 179 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.320 plain sight. You know, the dean of the law school at Berkeley, 180 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:11.159 who's been very nice to me, into John Yu and he's an old fashioned 181 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:18.080 free speech leftist and a purist about the matter. But if you've seen the 182 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.960 news. He had a dinner for students disrupted at his private residence last week, 183 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.559 and several weeks ago he wrote an article of The Los Angeles Times saying 184 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:31.320 nothing has prepared me for the depth of anti semitism I'm seeing in America now. 185 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:37.480 And I thought you're a smart man, or maybe not, but he 186 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:43.639 is not paying attention these ideas, this noxious ideology that has expanded the reach 187 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:50.600 and fervency of anti Semitism and anti Western civilization. It was incubated on college 188 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:52.919 campuses starting more than a generation ago. And I'll end with this, and 189 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.200 do you want to know it before? You want to just make one point. 190 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:58.279 He's not my boss, so I don't have to be as nice to 191 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:03.440 museum. Excuse me. I think that you need to go one step further 192 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:09.759 and not just say that he didn't notice these things happening around him, He 193 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:15.600 didn't notice the pernicious effect of things like the ideology of colonialism and oppressor and 194 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:20.000 oppressed and all of that. He participated in it, He advanced it, 195 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:26.720 he promoted it, and turned down or stopped or thwarted every attempt by anybody 196 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.080 few as they were, to say, wait a minute, these people These 197 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:35.519 people are not oppressed. These students are not oppressed. These students that have 198 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:39.399 made it into one of the finest law schools in the world and probably on 199 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:46.159 full ride scholarships, etc. Etc. Are not oppressed. But refusing both 200 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:52.159 before and now to punish these students for what they deserved to be punished for 201 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.759 being wrong, being unwilling to listen to argumentation, and instead relying on the 202 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:02.879 fact that their little feelings were heard and they were triggered, and then you 203 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:06.840 know all that kind of nonsense. He never stood up to it. He 204 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.799 would, Okay, better than most law school deans would say. We're gonna 205 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:15.039 have free speech. We're gonna let people, We're gonna let those racist conservatives 206 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:21.399 like Heather McDonald make their speeches. But but we're not going to punish appropriately 207 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:25.919 give the appropriate consequences to those students who protest and try to shut her down. 208 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.080 And that's I'm really not picking on you on that point, but I 209 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.399 think it's an important one. I think that because it leads us to be 210 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.159 thinking about are their opportunities here which I'll I'll leave alone and I'll let you 211 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.440 go back to your fall. Well, we can come back to that because 212 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:45.200 I did leave out of my notes, but yes, my summary is universities, 213 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.240 but also cultural institutions, museums. What was it? The Art Institute 214 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:52.759 of Chicago filed fired all their volunteer docents two three years ago because that wasn't 215 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:59.799 the They weren't diverse enough. This is absurd. So our culture institutions and 216 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.440 especially education that followed the path of least resistance, which is always to give 217 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.319 in. And so suddenly they're shocked to see these virulent ideologies in their mists, 218 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:11.279 which they never took seriously. They never thought, well, this is 219 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:12.640 sort of harmless, yeah, sort of left wing and crazy, and I 220 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:17.440 don't think it's right, but guess what, there are real consequences for tolerating 221 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:22.519 this and letting it happen. And so here's the switch that flips, so 222 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:27.279 to speak. And then I'll pitch one proposed remedy that I'm gonna let Lucretia 223 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:33.559 dissect. An earlier generation of political scientists at Berkeley weren't so crazy. One 224 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.440 of them was one of my intellectual heroes heroes, Aaron Woldowski, who died 225 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:45.279 almost thirty one years ago now and Jewish, and he was actually sort of 226 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:48.119 a moderate liberal, but he hated the radical left, and he saw starting 227 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.480 in the sixties what trouble was going to come from it. So in nineteen 228 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:57.000 ninety two he said, I see the rise of campus anti Semitism ahead of 229 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:02.480 us, and a strange thing has happened. He pointed out what everyone knows 230 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:04.880 that you know your history. Jews are always considered to be one of the 231 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:11.119 most prominent minorities that faced substantial discrimination in America, never mind overseas, you 232 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.119 know, denied admission to elite universities, not hired for elite law firms, 233 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:19.480 investment banking houses and so forth, clubs, right country clubs and so forth, 234 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:26.759 and they were always regarded as a discriminated against minority for all the historic 235 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:32.039 reasons. People know. Suddenly, Waldovsky said, they've been de minoritized. 236 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.559 Why is this happening? Well, he was he could be kind of funny 237 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:38.480 and sarcastic, but his famous essay about this, this is now fifty two 238 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:42.400 years ago. He said, Well, the left looked up and saw that 239 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:49.079 Jews were associated with Israel, Israel's beating Arabs in wars. But Arabs are 240 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:55.079 part of this sainted Third World class of oppressed upon people by Western civilization and 241 00:18:55.119 --> 00:19:00.519 colonialism. Therefore Jews joined the oppressor class, he said, just like that, 242 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.160 he says, he said, it took Christians a thousand years to get 243 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:07.759 from being a reviled minority to do an oppressor and inquisitorial class in Europe. 244 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.720 The Jews have done it in twenty five years. And he said, those 245 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:14.640 clever Jews, right, He was right, But he's got his finger on 246 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:18.759 something here, and he saw us all laid out in front of everything he 247 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.000 foresaw is what has happened, and no one took this warning to heart. 248 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.200 And so here we are now. My last point and the setup, Lucretia 249 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:30.640 is an awful lot of our friends are saying, what's the remedy for this? 250 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.440 Well, really, what happened to Gene Chimerinsky's backyard that went beyond the 251 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:38.359 limits of the First Amendment and protected free speech? We need to be champions 252 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:42.200 of free speech. That's where we ought to fight back against these dogments. 253 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:48.759 I think that is catastrophically wrong and inadequate. And Lucretia's going to tell you 254 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:57.880 why and what to do instead, Steve, so I'm going to begin by 255 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:03.200 saying that this is I think something that's very hard for conservatives who believe in 256 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:11.799 principle, who believe that in a society ruled by free, fair, evenly 257 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:18.119 applied institutions, Conservatives believe that they recognize the benefit of that. They recognize 258 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:22.960 that it's been salutary for hundreds of years in this country to have institutions where 259 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:30.440 you're sometimes the winner, sometimes the loser, but those institutions applied mostly over 260 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:34.799 history, fairly objectively, that you're the electoral college loser in these elections. 261 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:40.000 Give you an example, forty years ago, when I started teaching, I 262 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:45.119 would talk about why the electoral college was important because it gave more power to 263 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:51.160 places like California, and I meant it, but of course, you know, 264 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:55.079 things change over time, and I assume you understand why. I don't 265 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:56.960 have to go into why that doesn't make any sense anymore. But I've never 266 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:03.279 argued against the institution of the electoral college. That's the way conservatives are. 267 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:08.119 We recognize that those institutions built into our constitution, most of the ones that 268 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:15.279 have evolved over time, most of them have been salutary. Freedom of speech, 269 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:19.880 the First Amendment is one of those. Call it institutions, one of 270 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:26.799 those principles better word that all of us believe should be applied fairly and equally 271 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:33.799 under the Constitution. Why because we believe that its freedom of speech is good 272 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.519 for its own sake, We believe that it advances the interests of Republican government 273 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.359 for all the reasons. I know, you all know, and so conservatives 274 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.920 tend to be very pro First Amendment. You know, we're all scandalized by 275 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.759 the stories we hear recently, not just what Steve was just talking about about 276 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:56.519 pro Palestinian terrorists coming to a private person's house and threatening and doing this and 277 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:02.640 that, but also just the idea that our government it has been censoring social 278 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:08.039 media, Our government's been actively involved in keeping real information, real facts, 279 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:14.000 real truth away from citizens for its own partisan purposes. All of those things 280 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:22.240 really rankle us because we do believe in free speech as a means to the 281 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:26.200 pursuit of truth. And that's where I kind of want to take us and 282 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:32.759 have us think about it for a moment. And I'm here. The first 283 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:36.119 thing I want to say is this is going to sound just a little bit 284 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:40.319 radical, a little bit controversial, but the First Amendment, freedom of speech, 285 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:45.160 freedom of the press, is a means to an end it is not 286 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.880 the be all and end all. It is not. It's a very difficult 287 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.799 thing for us, for you know, who've grown up in the society not 288 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.200 to see the First Amendment as the most sacred of all principles. But it 289 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:00.720 is in fact a means to an end. It is not a natural right. 290 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:06.440 It is a means to protect our natural rights. And the question is 291 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:10.839 it's a hard question. It's a really hard question, a question I don't 292 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:14.119 always have the answers to. Neither does Steve. We've talked about this many 293 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:22.440 many times. But can you legitimately under our constitution curb the speech of a 294 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:30.119 radical Palestinian rum to the cy pro terrorist and at the same time not curb 295 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:36.000 the speech of say, those what did you call them losers in Chancellorville or 296 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:49.119 her speech? Except when you say it depends on whether they're suppressing. We 297 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:55.640 know they're suppressing speech all the time. We know that, of course not. 298 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:57.440 Yeah, they're not punished for it. They're not punished the same way. 299 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:00.640 For instance, at the January sixth pert testers are being punished. Most 300 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:04.240 of us would probably be happy if they would do to the people who went 301 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:10.599 into Chimriinski's house, put them in solitary confinement for months, and you know, 302 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:12.240 all of those things, we probably have a little bit of shot and 303 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:15.759 for it. About that, I know I would I'm not a very good 304 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.400 person, that's why. But anyway, I would be very happy. But 305 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:27.599 it's here's the problem. The moment conservatives stand on principle on these things, 306 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:33.119 with the environment we're in today, we lose. We lose all the time. 307 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:38.279 We lose on college campuses, we lose even when Trump is in office 308 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:45.240 and not the corrupt Biden administration or anybody else. We lose because the left 309 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:52.160 does not take the principle seriously, and therefore they don't limit themselves to the 310 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:55.480 purposes for which the First amend was given to us. In fact, they 311 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:04.279 use the First Amendment as a cudgel, as a hammer to promote their vision 312 00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:10.440 of I don't know who knows what their vision is. I don't have an 313 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:14.960 answer for that. But whatever that vision is, they see that as the 314 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.119 be all and end all. Part of that I think is simple. And 315 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:21.400 many of you I know understand this because I've talked with many of you about 316 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:25.640 this, if you know, on comments and so forth. They believe in 317 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:30.160 the will to power. They don't see human nature, they don't see God, 318 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:37.440 they don't see the natural law history, the natural law principles that have 319 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:41.920 guided our country until recently, as any limitation on what they can do. 320 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:47.000 And they push, and they push and they push. We have had people 321 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:51.559 whose sexual orientation was somewhat different than the average person. I'll leave it at 322 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:53.799 that, since the beginning of time. But never in the history of the 323 00:25:53.799 --> 00:26:02.920 world have we had a complete denial of this sexual reality of human beings shoved 324 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:07.960 in our faces and being forced to accept that reality every single day everywhere you 325 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:12.759 go. Why destroy Western civilization, destroy the understanding of human nature, destroy 326 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:17.319 any limitation on what human beings can do. So back to the First Amendment, 327 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:21.279 what do we do about that? Do we continue? And I don't 328 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:25.039 not sure I know fully the answer to this, because you have all sorts 329 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:30.480 of prudential considerations when you start saying, well, maybe we should in fact 330 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.559 put those people in jail. And it's not just a matter of say what 331 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.640 the Supreme Court has told us. You have a right to speak only where 332 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:42.000 you have a right to be. Some speech does not deserve First Amendment protection, 333 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:48.720 and it's not because people's feelings are hurt. It's because the speech does 334 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:55.039 nothing to advance the pursuit of truth. There is nothing in any Palestinian protesters 335 00:26:55.599 --> 00:27:00.519 talk that is anything close to the truth and all it does. I've talked 336 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:04.759 about this on the podcast before. My university, for all of its faults, 337 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:11.519 actually did in fact put these two professors on leave, on administrative leave, 338 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:19.079 paid of course. But to early childhood professors at the beginning, right 339 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:26.599 after October seventh, who somebody happened to be recording it with their phone, 340 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.559 but they spent the entire two hours in the classroom just spewing all this hatred 341 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.839 River to the sea, the Palestinians genocide. I don't have to tell you 342 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:41.400 all the usual nonsense to early childhood professors. At what point do we say 343 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:48.720 that we have raised generations with so much propaganda by our commitment to academic freedom 344 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.119 that there may be no going back. I don't know what the answer is, 345 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.640 Steve, Well, let's say a couple of real world cases, some 346 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.640 from the other end of the spectrum. Because I I We're in pretty strong 347 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.400 agreement about this, which is this is a rare thing if you listen to 348 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:07.720 us. I always like a joke that if you think it's hard to argue 349 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.720 with lucretia, try agreeing whether it's nearly impossible. You always find something wrong 350 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:18.559 in yes agreements, like a you know, a detense contract lawyer. There's 351 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.079 two old cases on my mind that bear on this, and then i'll make 352 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:25.000 the point about universities. First, go all the way back to nineteen seventy 353 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:27.079 eight for a moment, and the Supreme Court heard the famous case of the 354 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:33.759 Nazi Party that had applied for a parade permit in Skokie, Illinois, which 355 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.960 was denied initially by Skokie. They said, First Amendment, we have a 356 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.799 right to march, and the Supreme Court said, yep, First Amendment. 357 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:42.480 It's you know, you can't censor speech, and you know you can time, 358 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.920 place, and manner. But they're entitled to a permit if they meet 359 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.319 the city's conditions. Now, why did they want to march in Skokie. 360 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.240 Well, that's forty years ago. Forty five years ago. A lot of 361 00:28:53.559 --> 00:29:00.359 Holocaust survivors lived there. They didn't pick Skokey by accident. Now, I'm 362 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.759 perfectly fine with saying they have a right to speak under the First Amendment, 363 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:07.559 but Skokie has an equal right to say, we know what you're doing. 364 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:12.160 You go march someplace else. Point number one, point number two. Similar 365 00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:17.880 cases in the late nineties, a pair of consolidated cases I forget their name, 366 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:22.319 one out of Minnesota won someplace Else. Supreme Court struck down statutes banning 367 00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:30.440 cross burning, and Arizona's native daughter, Sandrea O'Connor wrote the typically confused at 368 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.559 Ooray opinion. Well, guys, this is free expression. It might chill 369 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.240 artistic for expression. I mean, after all, they burned across in Mississippi 370 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.079 burning. We wouldn't want to stop Hollywood filmmakers from depicting that an historical movie, 371 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:48.119 would we, Moron, Look when someone burns across in a black neighborhood 372 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.200 in Richter. That's what the other part of the case was. That's not 373 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.440 a state of speech like the Nazis and Skokie. It is a tempt at 374 00:29:55.519 --> 00:30:00.519 intimidation that comes pretty close to verbal assault things that there is some grounding in 375 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.799 the law. Now, this is very delicate, I understand, because the 376 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.079 if you want to make the objection, doesn't that'll give room for the left 377 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.640 to push their hate speech documents. Yes it does. That's why we're both 378 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.119 hesitant about the practical applications of this. But that's why, at least for 379 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.359 the moment, I think that more universities ought to wake up and say, 380 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:25.319 you know, your department in Middle Eastern studies, it's an ideological cesspool. 381 00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:29.480 We are closing it down and all of you guys have to find jobs someplace 382 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.680 else. That's not that's not a First Amendment bile. I'm shouldn't you know? 383 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.559 That would just be common sense. And I don't expect much of it 384 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:45.079 to happen, unfortunately, but we can hope it is seldom see if maybe 385 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:51.720 a little more racing for the moment. Oh, phography, are you trying 386 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.200 to shut down power line? Just so you know? I love it in 387 00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:03.880 more in the morning or something. And I'm sure many can do this too. 388 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.160 And I'm reading through some blogs to just clear my head over my coffee 389 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:12.200 in the morning. And the I turned on the comments because it was an 390 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:17.279 interesting piece, and oh and I made I sent it to Steve and I 391 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.119 said, I'm really sorry for doing this, but do you know this is 392 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.920 on yours your lot? I mean, I was, it was awful, 393 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.720 But that being said, it's not that I'm a total period. I grew 394 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:33.759 up in Iowa. So maybe I am. But if you look back at 395 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:41.039 the court's history of trying to decide about pornography, and you know, it 396 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:51.000 went from pornography doesn't deserve constitutional protection to well, how can we define pornography? 397 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:56.680 It doesn't deserve constitutional protection, but artistic expressions, as you were just 398 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.079 talking about in the field of pornography. I'd like to tell this story about 399 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:07.640 the Devil and this Jones if you don't have that classic pornography film. It's 400 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.400 of course a morality play. You know, she's a nun, she never 401 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.200 sins, but she commits suicide and then she goes to hell and the devil 402 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.680 provides her with the opportunity to at least earn her eternity in hell, and 403 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.039 that's where the rest of the story goes. So there's obviously not a lack 404 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:28.880 of literary or artistic value in that. But of course it's pornography. It's 405 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:34.920 meant to be pornography. It's meant to appeal to the most period interests. 406 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:39.759 Okay, why is that a problem. I'm sure that some of the early 407 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:49.000 writers Miller versus California until forth Roth, they couldn't have imagined the ubiquitousness of 408 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:54.720 pornography to the point where today there's a growing trend on young men where they 409 00:32:54.720 --> 00:33:05.160 would rather not be in a relationship because no young woman can meet the fantasies 410 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:10.319 that they are imbued with by their daily hours long partaking over an apathy. 411 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:15.319 Did we as a society have any reason to worry about that? Again? 412 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:22.160 Sound like an when they invents nod over the Internet? Who were really in 413 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:34.960 trouble? Yes? And I do want to would be oh god, the 414 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:43.640 sniffer and chief. Yes, right, yeah, it sounds well. I 415 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.240 mean, what do you think do you think? Gee, all of us 416 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:51.799 like to think that we're very open minded, we're very twenty first century thinkers. 417 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.960 You know, we're not pred We're not Who are we to tell somebody 418 00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:59.839 else what they can't and can't watch on their internet feed and so on? 419 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:07.680 But the destruction that is written on society is untold, and there's more and 420 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:09.639 more and more studies coming out all the time bout Okay, So where does 421 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.719 that take us? Do we really want to say all of a sudden that 422 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:19.000 you're going to restrict pornography? It's a very difficult problem, right, How 423 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.840 would we do it? What would we do. Steve, what would you 424 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:29.480 do how you stopped pornography on power line? So you're a hero today? 425 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:40.119 Yeah? That was that was relative. Well yeah, uh, you're sure 426 00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:46.400 it's an expedient. Yeah, at the end of that. You know the 427 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:50.719 way I usually run that suggestion because I have my economist friends always say well 428 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:52.480 that something's bad, just tax it, And I say, so, murder 429 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:57.119 is wrong, therefore let's raise the marginal tax rate on murder. Now that's 430 00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.280 not really how that, you know, how we should do wrong, right, 431 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.119 that's not what we should do. These questions at well, I'll start, 432 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:06.119 they're not exactly the very beginning, but to do a little bit of 433 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:10.039 classroom for a moment, suddenly those old questions and play those republic about the 434 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:17.039 necessity of censoring music and poetry, all of a sudden those questions look not 435 00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:22.880 sort of frivolous and strange antique anymore. And students, by the way, 436 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.840 they always hate those passages in the republic when we teach them. But that's, 437 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.840 by the way, the hardest thing now between not just protout, but 438 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:34.000 you know, the smartphones, and it is clearly I think Jonathan Height is 439 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.920 right about this. It's rewiring kids' brains, they have shorter attention spans. 440 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:42.159 We know in classrooms it's harder to get kids to read and concentrate on reading 441 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.480 material, you know, really smart ones. And we've noticed this just in 442 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:50.239 the last ten years. It's gotten so much worse. Just being AI is 443 00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.000 that for the last maybe fifteen years, because of texting and so forth, 444 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:59.719 students became absolutely completely and totally illiterate, unual to write a complete sentence, 445 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:06.400 at least when they had AI played us for them. We didn't. Yeah, 446 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:12.079 right, I did just last week. Actually, this will seem off 447 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.079 the point, but maybe not. It's gotta started beginning somewhere. It was 448 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:21.880 a famous argument by the late Great Wilbar Kendall, which was hugely controversial sixty 449 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.880 years ago. Maybe Athlens was right to have executed Socrates. Well, I, 450 00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:29.639 well, there's a threat to the stable order there. But part of 451 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.440 the argument was not sort of cet a ship that he didn't have a chance 452 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:36.719 to speak. He had a complete chance to speak. He was not He 453 00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:39.480 didn't persuade anybody, and by the way, he consented to living here. 454 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.199 That's the argument in the credo, and so he benefits from their laws and 455 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.360 even Socrates said, yeah, the case against me is ironclad. And the 456 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:52.159 point was is that they had free speech and free expression. And at some 457 00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.800 point, though a political order that wants to preserve itself can say enough is 458 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.840 enough. You've had your day in court. As the phrase we used today, 459 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:01.719 we need to get back to thinking about First of all, I think 460 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:06.119 we need to get back to thinking in that mode and then figuring out the 461 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.519 practical, difficult steps to bring that into action. So that's about the best 462 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:14.320 I can do starting off. And I have no idea what those pract people 463 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:22.440 difficult steps are other than we'll say that. Back to the idea of censoring 464 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:30.119 poetry sensoring music. There was a meme that was popular a couple of weeks 465 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:35.199 ago, and it was actually the first set of lyrics were from led Zeppelin 466 00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:39.639 and they were they were charming and beautiful about love and so forth. And 467 00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:45.760 then the second set of lyrics were I think Lizzo won something something, and 468 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:50.000 they were you to ho, you to hoe, you you you to hoe, 469 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:53.320 And it was like a page of nothing but that, and it said, 470 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:59.000 it's not that we you know, it's not that we think that we 471 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:04.559 don't like your music. Music just sucks, you know, But does that 472 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:13.360 have on our society? Does that have an influence that we are not capable 473 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:19.159 of controlling. That is destroying the family, that is destroying respect for women, 474 00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.880 that is you know, you could go on and on and on and 475 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.840 on. We know that we need to do something about it. We know 476 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:31.840 that the pendulum is not going to swing back unless something else is done, 477 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.400 I think is the best way to put it. I just know what that 478 00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.960 is. I really don't other than try to do what I can to remind 479 00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:45.599 people of the good and beautiful. Yeah, and that golos everything from No, 480 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:54.719 it's not true that Israel's attack on Hamas in the Gaza is genocide. 481 00:38:55.239 --> 00:39:00.440 If incense civilian, It's not that I'm convinced there are many, but imagine 482 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:04.360 there are some are heard in the process. That's war. That is a 483 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:09.119 totally different thing than what we know happened in October seventh. The Good and 484 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:15.239 the Beautiful teaches us that I can't call them animals, that sub human things 485 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:22.199 went in and did unspeakable, horrible atrocities that I can't watch. You know, 486 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:23.880 They've been all over the internet. I can't watch them. If we 487 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:30.840 can't make a moral distinction between those two things. We're lost. So we 488 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:38.719 have to every day we who understand that have to be talking about it. 489 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.360 We have to be we have to turn to the idiots who say, oh, 490 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:47.239 it's genocide, sister that, and make them listen and get them to 491 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.960 understand. Again. I don't know how it's gonna put it the good and 492 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:57.800 the beautiful. It's I get that Israel and Jews have a very special history. 493 00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.519 But what Steve said at the beginning, he is asked, right, 494 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:07.599 it's just a matter of time before they come for us. And you know, 495 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:09.719 and I don't mean that like us versus them. I just mean that 496 00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.800 Israel stands for something good and pure and beautiful. They're not perfect. Anyone 497 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.679 in the United States is perfect, but they stand for something good and pure 498 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:28.840 and beautiful. And we've seen that that influence could be beneficial in the Middle 499 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:35.000 East. We've seen it with the right support from the United States, the 500 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:40.000 the abraham Wards, for instance. We've seen that it's not an impossible situation. 501 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:45.920 But I agree with Speed that this is a part by continuum of ugliness 502 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:52.159 that starts with October seventh, goes all the way through to protesters showing up 503 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:57.760 at Erwinchi Moerenci's house, and then years back of tolerating that, I'm good. 504 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.440 That's all right. All I was gonna say is actually do this. 505 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.599 I think, Susan, could I get you to wrangle the mic and we'll 506 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.400 actually not take some audience questions or comments on any subject you want, but 507 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.880 I'll just say on that that uh, the problem of you know, rap 508 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:15.679 vile rap music. Mike you mild mentor stand Evans. Yeah, well that's 509 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.360 right. He used to say rap music is an oxymoron, you know, 510 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:22.360 like military intelligence. But just as long as they don't censor, maybe it's 511 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:23.679 cold outside. I said, wait, we already did that, didn't we. 512 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:30.199 Anyway, here you picked questioners if you want, you would like to 513 00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:37.199 mister ru Yeah, there, that'll work. Yeah, I want to share 514 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:44.679 that follow up when your idea that it gets worse before it gets worse, 515 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:51.519 said, at least you get complete. That's right, man. That's not 516 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:58.679 gonna last very long, maybe because it's long, and sorry, I'll just 517 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.920 say it's very briefly. I actually this semester for the first time to non 518 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:07.840 assign students papers because of the AI problem. That's gonna change. There's a 519 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.760 whole lot of universities are thinking very hard about this. I'll leave that aside. 520 00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:13.800 I will say, is it gonna get worse before it gets worse? 521 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.400 One thing that I thought we might break up and I just forgot. There 522 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.920 are a few things happening just in the last month or two that are good 523 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:27.400 and slightly hopeful, but they're very tiny. So Vanderbilt expelled three students last 524 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:32.280 week from occupying the president's office. Kolona College, which you know, right 525 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:36.199 next door to when we went to graduate school, very left wing place, 526 00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:42.840 and their president had students arrested and charged. The new president of Stanford is 527 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:46.760 from the Business School, a white guy affiliate with the Hoover Institution. This 528 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:52.280 has to make the lefties on campus going out of their mind. The new 529 00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:57.000 chancellor at Berkeley is from the Business School, the host Business School. It's 530 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.719 a no nonsense place, and although he's not a conservative, he's not a 531 00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:06.079 leftist, and that's an improvement. We had the new provost, actually he's 532 00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.239 interim, but the suspicion is he will be made coming up. The new 533 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:13.800 provost at Harvard is a guy named John Manning. He clerked for antonin Sclee 534 00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.880 on the Supreme Court. He's at one of us, and I'm thinking, 535 00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:22.119 what's happening here is the adult even liberals who are totally lost, there are 536 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.159 a few things with out of hand. We need to stop till this diversity 537 00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.360 stuff and hire people who are able and who might actually limit the craziness. 538 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:34.840 I'm not expecting much, but I didn't think would even see that much. 539 00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:42.400 There have been a lot of commentary kind of across the war, and not 540 00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:51.719 just on more conservative sites, about how destructive the absolute diversity, equity and 541 00:43:51.800 --> 00:44:00.960 inclusion of agenda has been for medical schools. I have a friend whose son 542 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:07.880 is dating a young Native American woman who's going to medical school on you know, 543 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:15.480 a chigal scholars should have went on and there are no graded tests anymore, 544 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:21.119 none zero. They are all past fail. One of the one of 545 00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:25.000 the bad things about that is I'm sure if you you have at a medical 546 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.400 school. It used to be that those those MCATs leading to the different tests 547 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.360 all the way through medical school. If you did well, you buy a 548 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:39.719 residency. Now medical students have to go get a cyber degree from my college 549 00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:45.159 in order to be competitive for the very few numbers of residencies that are out 550 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.559 there. They have to do extra because they no longer have test scores that 551 00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:54.400 differentiate them either going into medical school or getting out of medical school. Who 552 00:44:54.440 --> 00:45:07.039 wants to go see a doctor you know and you'll never know, Go ahead 553 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:10.000 and find another one. Season. I'll just say that there's a politically incorrect 554 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:15.079 joke going around, which means I'm gonna tell it. It's just going forward. 555 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.239 What you're gonna want to look for is an Asian doctor with a Jewish 556 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:30.199 name and Joe. Yes it is. Yes, Oh, you don't have 557 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:37.679 joke? Okay, sorry, quick question. I was out of the room, 558 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:43.039 as I warned you, so you may have touched on it. So 559 00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:47.519 we're talking about invitations and free speech or on so called free speech. How 560 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:57.159 would you ask you a Crucian Lucretia specifically handle someone shouting Allahu at Alcabar and 561 00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.079 in it, because mean that's an interest to challenge is yeah, it is. 562 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:05.679 Well, my first past is they can't yell that at a crowd of 563 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:10.039 theater. But I sort of hate to go to the time and place of 564 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.119 rationale. But in that case, I think it's very important. You know, 565 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:22.079 the original freedom of religion of ensuring in our Constitution. How do I 566 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:27.639 put this was also a means to an end. It was a means to 567 00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:37.880 an end that recognized that the Judeo Christian tradition was tied with a synthesized with 568 00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:46.000 the West. You know, the Athens and Jerusalem, that what we understand 569 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:52.320 as morality, and what we understand the Ten Commandments, all those things that 570 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:59.559 define how we really live or should live, I should say in Western civilization. 571 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:06.440 That's if you look at the family Father's support for freedom of religion, 572 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:09.480 it's much more along the lines of what we don't want to do is force 573 00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:14.199 people to believe something they don't believe. But at the same time they were 574 00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:21.159 very much supportive of Judeo Christian sects. They believe that they shouldn't the government 575 00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:24.079 shouldn't choose between them, that they should have full freedom and people should have 576 00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:30.800 full freedom. When you get into the Muslim religion, I may it be 577 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.920 careful how I say this, but there are very many elements of it that 578 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:43.159 don't synthesize with Western civilization. If you don't believe that, you can see 579 00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.920 it throughout the world, you can see it in this country. Do I 580 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:51.840 think that means that we should discriminate or persecute Muslims. No, but it's 581 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:54.800 a hard problem. It's a hard question to answer. If somebody comes in 582 00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:00.480 this room and shouts, ah, black bar, we're just gonna going uh 583 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:05.119 right, it's ard. It's used to be heard by it here. But 584 00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:16.960 there are times because some was carrying was right, yeah, yeah, part 585 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:23.920 of hearing the time. Yes, absolutely a murderer, you know, a 586 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:28.719 guy walks in and says that and then murders half a dozen people, which 587 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.360 just happened more than once. We know, we don't. We've not seen 588 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:37.599 in recent years anything similar to that from either the Judeo or the Christian tradition. 589 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:44.639 Carry but only time to place prescriptions. But I think there may be 590 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.239 a parallel here we worked with if you go back to the original fighting words 591 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.920 doctrine of the Supreme Court from the Chaplinsky case in nineteen forty two, they 592 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:57.239 arrest the guy because he's about to start riots, and uh, the Supreme 593 00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:01.239 Court upheld their arrest and condition and there's a public safety strut there. So 594 00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:07.679 again, the circumstances are all important here. But if someone is saying is 595 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:12.760 outside a Jewish cultural center Jewish, it starts yelling that or other contexts. 596 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:17.239 That's not an actual expression of piety. That's a provocation intended to stir up 597 00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:22.559 trouble. And it's hard. I'm not saying it's a simple, but not 598 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.480 not be beyond our grasp to start saying we're capable of making those kinds of 599 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.840 discriminations if we work at some and we should, I would just I would 600 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:35.719 just add one one more thing to it. We're also at a place where 601 00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:40.639 we honestly expect the law to be able to handle all of these things for 602 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:49.000 us when fat it is in many ways the lack of a culture that used 603 00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:54.960 to recognize acceptable versus unacceptable behavior. Again, somebody wants to believe in the 604 00:49:55.039 --> 00:50:00.880 Muslim religion and you know, is peaceful about it and a to themselves, 605 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:04.079 and you know otherwise follow us the laws and so forth. Most of us 606 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.760 don't have a problem with that. What we are seeing today, of course, 607 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:17.159 is that you will see that religion preferred in many ways over more traditional 608 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:22.639 religion. Shall we call it? Why? Because that's what the left wants 609 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.920 to see for the reasons that Steve just outlined quite fairy. He was very 610 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:32.400 clear, where do we get where do we stop the idea that pornography should 611 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.639 show up on power line. Where do we stop the idea that someone could 612 00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:42.400 walk into a Jewish senior citizen center? And y'all a la hu akar? 613 00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:46.559 Is it always mean a legal answer to it? Or is it a cultural 614 00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:51.199 answer? And that's when it becomes even more difficult in my opinion, because 615 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:59.800 again, conservatives there the generous people. They don't want to be as despite 616 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:01.639 what lesson about us all the time, they don't want to be the ones 617 00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:07.400 censoring. They don't want to be the ones uh, discriminating or persecuting or 618 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.320 any of those things. They they they sort of a live and let live 619 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:15.719 and sometimes to our detriment. Uh, it's not that hard to discriminate between 620 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:22.679 conduct and speech and and and that's where we move. We we went over 621 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:24.920 the whole line. Yeah, that's a great I do agree with that. 622 00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:30.800 That's that's the court's understanding of it. But that it's not the course of 623 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:35.400 understanding of for body or flat not like olie. It doesn't bother bother me 624 00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:40.599 particularly, But that's conduct, it's not speech, it's expression. That's how 625 00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:45.639 the courts does it. And you know the ex they but they they've gone 626 00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:51.719 off the demands to want by discriminating, because you know, frankly, I 627 00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.800 I I went to Stanford Law School. Stanford Law School, they had the 628 00:51:53.840 --> 00:52:02.559 people who shut down a federal judge. They didn't for they didn't about the 629 00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:09.239 school. Yeah, and if they had, if they had. The woman 630 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:14.559 the other day who Makersfield? Was it? You said, who went Vadersfield 631 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:19.920 and threatened the city council and they arrested her and helped her on a million 632 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.480 dollars long? And if you looked at social media everywhere you saw the poor 633 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:31.320 thing bawling her eyes out in your orange jumps ahead for maybe against people's lives 634 00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:36.039 in the public forum. How could you? The more we do that, 635 00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:38.880 the more I think we change the culture. I think that that's true. 636 00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:47.760 I have for that. That was a wrap up pride to move backwards into 637 00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:52.480 what you're talking about, the social evolution, just to complicate it further. 638 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:57.960 One of the biggest steps was the invention of the birth control pill, because 639 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:01.880 rather in dramatically changed the social role of women and how they could get along 640 00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:09.480 in mixed results. Right, yes, yeah, what's uh? Maybe the 641 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:14.639 only intelligent thing the lake. Senator John Hines ever said, person who gave 642 00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:17.400 us trees they would mind. Soon said why is this still works today? 643 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:22.280 Why is social security going broke? Well, two reasons, he said, 644 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:27.920 people are living longer and the pill works. So yeah, that's there's a 645 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.679 lot he said about that. Of course, next year maybe someone else Susan. 646 00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:37.039 Yeah, okay, yeah, judge. You know, it's interesting talking 647 00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.440 about Muslims and it's holding up and there's a there's a giant in the room 648 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:45.440 we never talked about, and that is a lot of people not seeing people 649 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.880 in this room because a lot of us are hard live in a state of 650 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.960 fear about Moslems. When this Edie Baga Seril said, look, get their 651 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:57.719 hteens and kill you. A lot of us can leave it. And so 652 00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:07.960 we give them that. Socials we don't say, shut up, you don't 653 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:10.280 say as long we don't say it, you can't say that about my Jewish 654 00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:15.519 friends. We let them do it because we're afraid of that. Those are 655 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:22.039 the first that is stopping stop be afraid. Yeah. Although just a small 656 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.000 point of fact is that the woman in Maka s Field is actually Indian, 657 00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:30.960 I mean Indian Indian, not American Indian. But I think that that mentality 658 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:36.000 is spreading, you know, there's if he is to the census of the 659 00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:38.599 people champing from the river to the sea would be a lot of middle class 660 00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:44.840 white kids and forum students from all over the world. Okay, do you 661 00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:57.440 want to add that question here? Sorry? Can I if I expanded a 662 00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.960 little bit on your point about culture? One of the things that strikes me 663 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:04.360 when I look at the news today, and you can think of a number 664 00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:07.159 of different illustrations when we have people, for instance, on a Philadelphia the 665 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:13.400 subway when they're filming a woman who's being raised, and we had fathers and 666 00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:17.400 men who, for instance, if everyone knows who Ridley Gains is, she's 667 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:21.880 not a warrior on the front from the trends insanity. And you have men 668 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.519 who think it's perfectly fine for a full intact now to be wandering around in 669 00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:30.320 a woman's locker room in an intimidating fashion. Who can all in all of 670 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.840 these examples? And my point is, and I don't think this is nostalgia 671 00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.840 that we used to be in place in our culture and these types of moral 672 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:45.639 distinctions were commonly understood and raptified despite our political differences. There was not only 673 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:49.960 a social stigma, but there was a social policing of these types of things 674 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:54.039 that simply appears to be beyond our capability. Now when I watch these mini 675 00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:59.599 mallists who are camping out at whatever private property owing to university, and yet 676 00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:02.599 somehow how the administrator lacks the ability to figure out how to get rid of 677 00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:07.760 them, like you'll be expelled and arrested that are going and they can't figure 678 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:13.039 that out. So my question is, do you have confidence right now this 679 00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.159 room is accepted. You mean, we're an exceptionsness, but within our culture 680 00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:22.519 we have both the moral and the political will to say we will no longer 681 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.960 accept this. I'm not a proponent of mob violence, but I can tell 682 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:31.199 you right now that there's some advantage in a community telling someone you're gonna understand 683 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:36.039 if you walk around in my guard's lockerroom naked, you're not gonna come out 684 00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.239 of that very well, that does exist anymore. My question is, because, 685 00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:45.039 as bright Mark would say, politics is downstream of culture. Are we 686 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:51.119 a culture that anymore can enforce objective truth and morality in a way that will 687 00:56:51.159 --> 00:57:00.599 allow us to see our way through this? Tell me anything that that there 688 00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:02.960 are a lot of people be on this room who see it exactly the way 689 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.519 that you do. I honestly think that many of those people, for whatever 690 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:14.840 reason, are Trump supporters. I think that right now we're finding ourselves run 691 00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:20.760 by elites who when the gentlemen said that we're afraid of Muslims, I'm less 692 00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:24.679 afraid because like you, I'm r I'm less afraid of what some Muslims goun 693 00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:28.480 will do to me. If you know, if he thinks that I'm being 694 00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:35.159 too you know, my head is uncovered or whatever, then I am what 695 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:37.760 would happen to me in my job or something like that. I'm not truly 696 00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:46.119 afraid, but that a university would punish me for pushing back on an active 697 00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:51.119 vibance by a student who was Muslim and was offended because I wasn't wearing a 698 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:55.480 heat gap or something. Those kinds of things happen with elites. They don't 699 00:57:55.599 --> 00:58:01.599 happen with normal human beings who still love this country, who still would follow 700 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:07.400 some creep in address into the bathroom, who followed this little girl into the 701 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.840 bathroom whatever it might be, and beat the you know what out of him. 702 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:16.639 Most there's a lot of people like that, and the elite want you 703 00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:22.320 to believe through the media, through et cetera, et cetera, that that 704 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.280 those people don't exist, or if they do exist, you know they're the 705 00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:30.039 losers from Charlottesville. I think we fight that that. I think we recognize 706 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:36.000 what we have in common with the good, solid, middle class Americans who 707 00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:38.880 still love their country, still love their God, still love their family, 708 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:45.159 still want to make a decent life for themselves. There are a lot of 709 00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:49.239 people like that, and that's probably the only thing that gives me hope. 710 00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.880 Steve gets all excited and when they're said, no, I'm not gonna tell 711 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:59.519 you this time, he gets all excited. As to I in a university 712 00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:06.920 administs straighter falls out of the mold when you know they're not just this strident 713 00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:15.639 leftist ideologue inclusion and the delonging, you know whatever else is in their title. 714 00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:17.719 We we both jump up and down with the excitement. But that's not 715 00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:22.000 really where it's gonna change. It's gonna change when we go back to the 716 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:25.320 point of understanding that in America, it's actually the people in the world, 717 00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:30.800 and the people I think, for the most part, have really good sound 718 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:35.000 sentiments, They have good sound beliefs. Say they're patriotic, like I said, 719 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.440 they love their good. They love their family, and I think that's 720 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:42.480 where our hope is. I think that's a uh if you ever get received 721 00:59:42.519 --> 01:00:44.199 a really good place, Okay, Ricochet join the conversation.