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hope this podcast you well. My guest Eric and I have been working through
the technical monsters have attacked me today, so shout out to the NSA.
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and we'll get you on the schedule to be scheduled. So again, we
have a great guest standing by. We've corresponded for quite some time, joining
us from the great state of Utah. It's Eric. Eric. How are
you doing today? Doing great, George, Thanks for having me. Yeah,
and thank you for your patience, Sarah, as the NSA tries to
roll me up. What a day, but it's great to have you,
and please do take a moment and introduce yourself to the audience. Oh,
like you said, I'm from you, Tom. We do have that a
big, brand new NSA center out here, so I probably gotten me forty
two, born and raised in Salt Lake. Beautiful family, have two daughters
eleven and five, and a step son who's twenty seven. Beautiful wife.
My step son works with me. I've been fortunate enough to travel all over
quite a few places. I used to brag when I was younger that when
I was eighteen, had been to more places than Columbus. Right, I
don't know that's true or not, but we don't know I know if that
history is true or not. Yeah, Christopher Columbus, there's your CC thirty
three I joke about all the time. I'm sure that's far right. That's
another one of the stories we'll talk about that they use to reinforce the globe
system. Right, he woulded to prove that you just wouldn't fall over the
edge. And well, of course, even with our theory, there's no
falling off the edge. But big shout out to you for working with your
son. As I was saying before we got kind of disconnected, was some
of my fondest memories growing up was working for my grandfather. He was self
employed, had a used car a lot, and it's great because at the
same time you learn life lessons, life lessons and mold your mind. And
you know, we often talk about how we send our children off to the
indoctrination factories for thirty five hours a week. It's great to have the children
and mold their minds instead of complete strangers molding their minds. Right, Yeah,
for sure, my kids do go to public school. My daughter likes
to my oldest daughter, my eleven girl, likes to listen to what I
say. Kind of, I think my steps on he's we've been together for
twelve years now. I met him when he was fifteen and he was pretty
already indoctrinated and he's kind of one of those new age kids in that way.
But gotcha, it is what it is, what it is. Yeah,
everybody has their own journey. But it's great that you have his ear,
what you know, forty hours a week or whatever it may be,
that's for sure. Tell us a little bit about your journey to the truth.
At what point in your life did you start to notice things, as
we say, differently than the average Joe did. So, I was exposed
pretty young. My parents were divorced, so I would spend a week with
my mom and week with my dad. They had custody, and my home
base was my great grandmother's house where I would kind of get exchanged. She
was a Lutheran. She was the first born generation over here from Sweden,
so I went to a little bit of church with her, growing up from
probably by like four or five years old till I was like six seven or
eight, not very often, just every once in a while. My father,
he was just too young to get drafted into Vietnam. So one of
his favorite stories was him and his buddy burning their draft cards. And he
actually kind of got me into the JFK, you know, conspiracy. And
so one of our cousins his his his father, my grandfather hurt his cousin
direct cousin. She's married to an ex Secret Service agent, really, and
he was there that day, and you know, my dad would always try
and feed him some beers and get him to steal the beat and stuff,
and he and he wasn't in on the plan, so he doesn't know sure,
and he wouldn't tell us if he did anyway, And all he would
ever tell us was that the morning of the whole plan changed. They had
everything set out as you already know, the route changed. His detail because
I think they're like in little groups, like little teams. His team was
supposed to be on Kennedy's car they got stationed at the airport to wait for
the caravan, and so all he knows is that, you know, nothing
went according to plan and it all went to hell, But you know it's
all just a coincidence, right right, Yeah, drop in the bucket,
for sure, Yeah, for sure. And again that is something. And
I'll tell you, I've been listening to a lot of people and I'm starting
to hear the frustration. I think everything that's going on for the last three
or four years has bothered people a lot. But I've noticed over the last
month that these general frustrations are slowly starting to turn into anger. And a
lot of that goes back to that very day eleven twenty two. There's for
thirty three, nineteen sixty three, in which you know, you can argue
some conspiracies, right that maybe there's some great areas with them, but the
fact that the entire story of JFK, from the way he was shot,
the number of shots where they came from, everybody running to the grass,
you knowal that the police getting killed that day. Jack rubin Stein by the
way, it's his name's not Jack Ruby, it's Jack rubin Stein. You
know, just was able to walk up and kill the guy who did it
in Lee Harvey Oswald saying, look, man, I'm a patsy. I
mean, he came out, he knew he was thrown under the bus by
the government, and to me to this day, to allow everybody who was
involved, from Poppy Bush to the CIA, maybe to some of the mobsters
down there in New Orleans, and of course the three what were those three
guys called the the hoboes on the street or well they had a name for
the three guys who were originally arrested, and then of course they were gone
just like nine to eleven, right, they arrested that van full of Israelis
full of dynamite and just nothing to see here, and they sent them all
back to Israel. There's just so many things that go on with these huge
conspiracies, whether it's nine eleven or Oklahoma City, and we just they always
get away with it. And that's I think people are starting to really get
frustrated with. You know, the big thing now is they're taking a certain
someone off the ticket in all these states and those two world, words coming
back up that haven't been heard since eighteen sixty five or starting to rear their
ugly head. I'm seeing it even at the local country store down the street
where we got our bread and stuff from. Everybody's just tired of the citizens
being last in this country. Yeah, And it's like with JFK. It
happened so long ago. People are like, Oh, what does it matter
now, and it's like, well, that's what's set up everything to go
on now, that's what put them in positions to do, like a nine
to eleven. So yeah, when I was probably I don't remember when the
Thepruder film came out, I was probably around eight or nine or ten,
and one of my neighbors got a copy or it saw some of it on
heraldo or whatever, and I remember him, you know, he was a
year younger than me, a little boy, and he was talking about it
and he was like, oh, it was the Driver. It was the
Driver. And I remember us watching it and stuff. And then got older,
and one of the things that really woke me up was Ross Perot when
he gave that whole speech when he was running for president, and I was
just a child, and I was like, wow, this whole system is
rigged. It's all bs like it's not real. They're just playing us both
sides, like you always say, two wings of the same bird. That's
right, then, Y two K never really did anything. I was kind
of I was young for that. I just graduated high school in ninety nine,
and so I didn't really have any money or anything to lose by that.
I took a year off after high school, went to college, dropped
out, almost joined the Marines. I had a bunch of recruiters after me,
and then I kind of got into it with one of the recruiters,
which I'm glad I didn't. He probably would have wasted me. And he
just wouldn't leave me alone. He came to my work one day and wow,
this was all over me to get me to join, and we got
into it, and his partner there separated us and gave me that look like
you don't want any of that, and I'm like, yeah, I probably
don't. And this is still pre nine to eleven at this point, right,
Yeah, this was in in two thousand. Yeah, OK, And
then nine to eleven happened, and that you know, I knew something was
wrong about I knew I was like they let this hap. I just something
wasn't right. I'd been to the Pearl Harbor Museum as a child in Hawaii
there and just it didn't sit well with me. And then I was really
worried the next year because Salt Lake City got the Winter Olympics. So I
was afraid that something was going to happen here in the Olympics to like further
it, you know, because when the Patriot Act and all that stuff came
out and saying, oh, they're going to keep pushing this, to really
get it locked down and get it, you know, this new world order
that they want. And nothing happened. The Olympics went pretty smooth, and
then we had the you know, being Salt Lake here and not being a
Mormon, it's you're always the outcast. My father's always owned bars and restaurants,
and so I was always one of the kids that you couldn't play with
or could play with at a distance. Nobody wanted me to date their their
daughters. And it's just and and looking into that, I know that that's
it's just an arm of the Freemason organizations, just disguised as a religion for
control. And most of the Mormon people are great people like every other you
know, and they have no idea what goes on at the top because it's
that's how it is. You're either in the club or you're not. That's
right, And they just use everybody as their bank role and their servants.
And so then when COVID happened, I was working at a grocery store,
was working at a Kroger store at Smith's, and so we were essential,
so it never really affected me, you know, they I had to wear
masks for a while. We our store was kind of lenient, kind of
not and my department, I was doing the online shopping, so I would
feel people's pick up grocery orders right right, And so I was there early
in the morning before the store opened, so we could kind of get away
with not following the rules and stuff. And but COVID really did a number
on my family. It really split everybody apart. It really, you know,
those that got it and those that didn't, and those that wanted to
play the game and those that didn't. And it really my side of the
family, like my intermediate mom and dad not so much, but like my
mom's brother and some of the other people in the family really put a damper
on things and separated and hurt some Christmases and stuff like that. And I've
just never been like I had been into like medications and big farming vaccines,
but not that much. And then COVID woke me up and then it was
like what did I do to my children when they were born? And some
of their first year school shots? And it just that's one of my biggest
regrets and heartbreaks, Like like I said, they're never getting anything ever again,
one of those things. It's just like, oh my gosh. And
like the other thing about nine to eleven was when it was that Architects documentarying
stuff and theext and Engineers for nine to eleven truth yeap, that BYU professor
that came out and said a bunch of stuff about the thermite and the metal
and the temperatures and stuff that was like a huge eye opener. And after
that time, from from two thousand and two till like I don't know,
fourteen fifteen sixteen, I had a friend that an acquaintance of a friend that
he made a lot of those DVDs they'd passed around, you know, the
Obama deception. That's all the different Truther videos. So I was getting a
lot of those and watching them and Zeitgeist and all that, and so I
was pretty awake, but I was pretty still kind of asleep on the medical
stuff. And then you know, COVID kind of woke that up, and
I was still pretty asleep on flat Earth until a few years ago when I
really did a deep dive on it, because like everybody else, I was
into space. I was hoping to you know, I was into Star Wars.
I was into all that. And like I said, if they're honors
from children and the globes everywhere, and the indoctrination is just deep. That's
why Hollywood is so important to them. With the fascination of the fantasy movies,
whether it be Star Trek or Star Wars. This is another layer between
taking the red pill and continuing on living life obliviously right, because we don't
want to lose those things that are so near and dear to our hearts.
I mean, I was a Star Wars kid in the theater back in what
seventy seven, seventy eight, whenever it was the first Star Wars I saw
it, and I remember leaving there and dreaming of being in an X wing
fighter and flying and I mean that is just again, this goes back to
World War Two and one of the biggest things that National Socialist Germany did have
was psychological operations, and they had some you know, all of the people
that they brought over from not warp Speed operation paper Clip. These people understood
psychology big time. Going back to Edward Burneze, they understand the most powerful
tool isn't weapons of mass destruction, it's the mind. And if you can
manipulate someone's mind, you can basically control them just like a TV controller,
you can actually control their path in life. And they figured that out,
I believe at the turn of the century, a hunt and some you know
years ago, and with the advent of the television, it was a game
on at that point. And now we see today, like you said,
with Star Wars and everything else, it has built continuous layers between the truth
and you know, people's daily lives. Is they just I'm not even I
think for a lot of people out there, I think they know something is
up. And like you said, COVID was one of those things that I
get so many emails saying exactly that, right, COVID woke me up.
You know, out of the twenty twenty five emails we get a day,
half of them mentioned COVID being a part of their awakening process. But again,
I think there's still a lot of people out there that don't want to
be bothered with being awake because it does change your life completely, and I'm
sure it did for you as well. Yeah, And like I said,
I was awake to a few things before then, and that one really kind
of stirred the pot to really do the big, big deep dives into other
stuff. And there are masters of manipulation. I saw it with my whole
my generation. You know, I believe you're about ten years older than I
am or so. And in our generations, it's just the people that you
know, went away from God, so many atheists, so many scientists and
people and not wanting to have families. Why would I want to bring a
child into this world? It's too crazy. I felt that way forever until
my wife was pregnant, and then I had a whole shift and I've the
same thing. I've told so many of my friends and people that about to
have children. You know, after I had minds like you unlock a whole
new level of love, like a whole new level of understanding and being.
It's just I don't know, a whole different veil was lifted from my eyes
when I had my first child, and and like I said, I still
have some regrets of not being awake to some other things when that happened.
But that's life. We all know. None of us are perfect, and
none of us have all of our stuff together, and we just keep pressing
on fighting that good fight. And I think it was his name was John
a few episodes back that marine, that was becoming a pastor and then changed,
like it was just so cool to hear someone on a completely different path
of life that I had and then about to be a pastor and be involved
in the church. But think about it the way I've thought about it my
whole life. I've always thought it shouldn't be this like dictatorship, this one
head telling everyone what it says, how it interprets, how it translates,
what they're supposed to read about it, what they're supposed to think. I've
always felt it should be a discussion. It should be everyone what their take
is on it. You know, it should be a group discussion. Everyone's
there, everyone's going to read something different, whether it's you know, thirty
five year old car salesman dude, fifty year old banker dude, eight year
old little Johnny, you know, and when I've the stories from the Bible,
and that's just kind of seemed what to like it was when Jesus and
the disciples and people were spreading the word and that that it was more of
a discussion and an explanation like that Jesus was kind of telling him stuff because
he was sent to do that, He was the messenger, and so many
people have just gone off that message and have made an idol out of him
instead of you know, praising, thinking and worshiping him in the way he
should be and following the message and worshiping God the correct way. And it's
just super frustrating that way. You made a lot of great points, and
I think I mentioned this on a recent on my other podcast, was when
the Puritans came over here, you know, in the sixteen hundreds with a
mayflower and everything. They their primary reason for coming over here was for freedom
of religion, and their their daily lives were based around religion, right,
and then you know that was number one. Then education and everything else came
afterwards, but everything evolved around the Bible in God's word, and then everything
has been flipped exactly. And then one hundred and some years later, the
Freemasons come in and I'm talking about George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and all these
guys who who who are depicted in our history books as these good guys,
team good guys. But what they really did, and I want everybody before
you just somebody just sat up in their cubicle at work. What right you
talk about George Washington? Listen, these people took Remember the Puritans came over
here that they didn't claim a constitution for freedom of speech. God gave them
their freedom of speech and they knew that. So these Freemasons come over and
you know, they you know, this revolution against King George the Third.
But what happened was they started instilling in these people's minds that no, it's
not God that gives you your freedoms. It's us. It's man, and
we have this constitution, this deal between the government and the people, and
we guarantee you your freedoms. Yep. Now, two hundred and fifty years
later and it listened. This country was free from about you know if you
want to count the revolution seventeen seventy six or seventeen eighty seven, choose your
date whenever you consider us being free until about eighteen twelve, when the very
first time the banks their ugly head. And if you want to know who's
running things in this country right now, look no further than your black Rocks,
your vanguards, and you're JP Morgan's this is It's interesting how the American
media portrays the Russian oligarchs to be bad when the same thing is going on
in this country. It's no different anywhere else around the world. What are
your thoughts on that? Oh, yeah, they always blame everyone else for
the same thing that they're doing. That dang old usury and debt system.
And like you've brought up before, what's on Washington's gravestone, it's about him
being a freemason, not the president. It's just you've brought it up before
on both podcasts. The history, Like how can we believe the history?
Like all the good guys won every war, and it's like, I don't
think the Civil War, I think the bad guys probably won. I think
who knows, you wont But the history about it isn't what actually happened.
It's the history that gave us. Same with the Revolutionary War, because supposedly
we're getting away from England and being free, and it's like we've been in
lockstep and taxed way more and more of their you know, puppet than when
we were before the war. So it's just heart you know, And I
just want to thank you for your service and all the veterans out there,
you guys are amazing. Like I said, I I didn't do it.
I just I don't know what it was. If it was just God's path
for me or just being a woos, I don't know, but wasn't my
path, and wasn't my father's. His father served at the end of World
War Two. He was over and occupied Germany and tried to get stories and
stuff out of him. He wouldn't talk about it much because I think he
saw it wasn't the story he was told when he was there. On my
father's mother's side, her uncle was a general in Civil War. I actually
have some cool correspondences from him and President Grant, and I want to actually
get some pictures of those and actually try and read them and stuff and see
if there's anything weird. In there, and that would be awesome. Some
of the pictures of him and stuff. I haven't really looked again, but
you know, there might be some of the hidden hand and the jacket stuff
and different poses and things, and and of course she gave his sword away
to the Smithsonian, the keepers of the history, the hiders, and yeah,
I just it's hard with the history, and that includes the religious history.
Like you talked about a few episodes back, why the Bible was cut
to sixty books, I think there was who knows how many it could have
should have been, but I think they took out a lot of stuff that
would actually have us worshiping the correct way and having the proper connection to God
we should have. And it's to keep us divided and to keep us lost
and weak and controllable, for sure. And it's interesting. I did a
little research on the Ethiopian Bible recently, and a lot of people believe that
the arc of the Lust, arc of the Covenant is in Ethiopia. Whether
it is or not, I don't know. There's that. You can find
documentaries on these people that watch it twenty four to seven, three sixty five.
Their Bible has eighty eight you know, our sixty six. There they
have an additional twenty two I think, including jubilees Enok and Maccabee's which is
interesting. I think those are included in the Ethiopian Bible. I actually read
when I was big into the space stuff. I read Graham Hancock's book on
the arm Being in Ethiopia. It's actually a really good book. It's a
and I like his other writings, some of his fictions, Good War God's
pretty cool. And I've read his Fingerprints and Magicians of the Gods and stuff,
and I believe there's some stuff in that I don't know about the dating
and stuff, but I definitely don't believe it was a comment from space.
No, And like we've like you've talked about, I think most of those
craters are extinct volcanoes and geysers and maybe bubbled up you know, underground.
Who knows it could be under natural gas explosion. Sure, yeah, And
you really don't think they're they're crater holes and you know, no, not
for meteors or anything like that, as they say. And something that I
think people fail to think about is listen, if you believe the story of
the flood, that much water would would certainly change the face of the earth
to some extent, would you agree, Oh, for sure. I mean
that's why Egypt and the Middle East is covered in sand, right they talk
about hud flood. I mean it's just been drying out over there, so
now it's sand. Look at the picture of when they found the Giant Pyramid
of Mexico. It was just a hill. No one until they dug it
out. It just you know, And I have an issue with that.
In the mud flood, I mean, I believe there could easily be multiple,
but why can't the mud flood be the same flood? You know,
we know that they changed the calendar and mess with our timeline. We don't
know exactly how many how long ago that was. Oh that's an interesting thought.
You know, a lot of everyone thinks they have to be two separate
events. Why can't it be the same flood? Just left overs from the
same catastrophe. Have you heard the theory about the the Milky Way being a
scar in the firmament waters came. Indeed, that's I think that's pretty fascinating.
I do too, and I buy it when you if you actually don't
look at the picture from NASA, but if you actually take a telescope and
look at it. It does right. And then in the Bible says,
you know the waters above and below. I can't remember the there's been a
couple explorers, deep sea explorers have gone down. There's that one video of
the guys a, yeah, we found an underwater bless you ocean that they
couldn't penetrate. You know, they saw that it was water, but they
couldn't go down in it, so it could be like a revert you know.
So yeah, they God took his finger, made the scar, opened
up the firmament, let it come in from the top, released it from
the bottom, you know, And that's how you get up so much of
that water, and some of it's been evaporated and left over into our our
environmental cloud and rain system and some of you know, that's why stuff's still
underwater and stuff. And maybe some of the stuff that's underwater or was meant
to be left there and we weren't kind of supposed to find it because I
don't know, maybe some of the really dark stuff could be discovered there that
could lead us back down that I mean, they're leading us back down that
path. It is almost like the time the days of Noah. But I
know one hundred percent when when you read you know that the chapter about the
you know, the flood, and you start to see how every heart was
full, you know, with the wickedness. And then you just look around,
whether it's on social media or just how people act, and how far
we have gotten away from God and just from being decent human beings. You
know, I've seen just you know, from the seventies to today, how
society is just. And you try to point out what, you know,
what in just you know, forty or fifty years, what allowed this huge
turn, and you could say against God, you could just say from being
a decent human being, because I remember growing up you held the door open
for a woman and just the most basic things. When a woman stood up
from the table, all the men stood up. We always said grace.
We never ever ever ate a meal with our hat on. And then just
you can't really point to one thing, But what do you think are some
of the things that have led us to where we are today as a society.
I think it's the scientism and doctrination in the schools, and then the
way they explain it. So like Columbus, why flatter is so hard for
people. I can't remember if it was your podcast or if it might have
been on Firmamental, but a lady was explaining, they made you feel so
dumb. They'd make they make all the ancient people seem so dumb. And
these barbarians, these dumb savages, they didn't know anything. It was like,
well, they knew how to do everything. We don't know. Most
people today they can't live without electricity, electronics, a grocery store. They
can't build their own homes, their own clothes, survive off the land,
hunt their own food. They're a lot smarter and uh, all this technology
and they can't even figure out what the pyramids are. And so I just
think, you know, oh, these dumb people thought the earth was flat
and it'd sell over there and fall off. And it's like, I don't
think they thought that at all. I think they had a better understanding of
it. But it's how they teach you. You don't want to be done
like these people of the past. You're this new, smarter, better generation
that has all this better stuff. You know, not better intelligence or better
skills, you just have better stuff. And who knows if we even have
better stuff you see some of those old pictures you don't know if they're real
or not, but on some of those electric scooters and stuff, you know,
and electric walkways like all the world's bears and things like. You know,
they didn't build that giant city for two weeks to tear it down,
Like come on, And I think it's a scientism and doctrination they make,
you know, make you feel of this. You're just this insignificant space monkey
lost with no you know, no purpose. Yeah. I couldn't agree more.
And I agree with you as far as technology, and I listen to
this. This is from an eighth grade final exam from a junior high school
in Salina, Kansas, which, if you all don't know, that's like
right on the border of Colorado in eighteen ninety five, so we're talking one
hundred and just about thirty years. Okay. Question number one, give the
nine rules for the use of capital letters. The nine rules for uses of
capital letters like a name, a prefix like a state, or an address
like a yep. Let's see what And then listen to this one multiple couldn't
land. Yeah, that's the thing most people. And then define verse,
stanza and paragraph. Right, you're talking maybe two percent of the class.
And I just talked about two weeks ago on the fact Hunner, how in
Baltimore there was twenty one schools districts that tested none of them passed math.
That the literacy rate, the tenth graders were reading at a second grade level.
And you're talking about Eric, We're talking about people who have been in
school, if you count kindergarten at that point, for eleven years. What
are they doing for eleven years? And I'm not talking about the children so
much as the adults. What is going How have we failed the children to
where they have been? Could you imagine if you paid And here's the thing
we do pay out of our pocket, it's called taxes. How are people
not outraged when you read these numbers? And it's not just Baltimore, it's
Saint Louis, it's Los Angeles, it's Chicago, it's Boston, it's many
of your hometowns. So how are you not outraged that you're paying for this
system where children spend eleven years of their life by the tenth grade and they
can't even read? Yeah, well, how about was it an Oregon that
just made it so they don't have to be able to pass English and math
to that's right. How does that make any sense? I don't understand that
makes any sense. How Like I almost didn't graduate from my citizenship grade.
So I had a B average, but since I missed so many classes,
ye you know, because I you know, I wasn't a great I was
too smart. I was. I would get a D in the class and
aced the test and get a B. And I missed classes and mess around.
You know, we were always partying back in those days, and you
know, we were trying to have fun and hook up with girls. School
wasn't you know. And and my problem is that, you know, the
counselors don't see what you're into and direct you into that path. It's just,
oh, what do you want to be when you grow up? Oh
you want to be a lawyer, you want to be doctor? And I'm
forty two. I still don't know. I've never known. And and instead
of finding something that's where I'm interested in and going down that path, it's
always been oh, I don't know, and just job after job. You
know, I worked my like I said, my father owned bars and restaurants.
I was a bartender for fifteen years. I grew up in a biker
bar and sex, drugs and roll, and like I said, soon as
my great grandmother died, church was over. And and he's he's pretty atheist,
and he's pretty bought into the system. And and I don't know how
many boosters he's had. But even if even after he's into that, like
he he was bought in from whatever after it was it was pushing VOCs back
in the day, So after he liked told him it was good. And
even after I show him the numbers of how many people died and how many
people are sick from it, Well, if I could get it today,
I'd still take it. He doesn't care, like it's like and people are
just like that. They don't they don't see even when you present the evidence
in their eyes. Some people just don't care and you can't sway them.
Now, you talked a little bit about church and how it was a John
who said what his ideal church was. Do you think could we could we
make the education system for children similar to that, challenging them giving them go
ahead? I'm sorry, oh yeah, exactly like history when you're growing up
sometimes is boring, and the way they present it, Why does any you
know, white people don't want to read the history because it makes them look
like, you know, a whole slavers that were these super evil people.
And then the you know, the non white kids don't want to read it
because it makes them look like these weak slave people that couldn't defend themselves and
were always dumb and hadn't you know, we're just the victims of everything.
So if you can't get the kids to read that, get them something they're
interested, even if they're reading comic books or whatever. My five year old,
she's in kindergarten. She reads on probably like a third grade level.
And I hate to say it, but from reading the captions on YouTube videos
and stuff, it's it's amazing, just you know, it's it's crazy.
And I see her writing words and stuff. And she got a note from
a third grader the other day and his handwriting was as poor as hers was,
and I'm like, and he's in third grade, he's you know,
had three extra years before her. Proa they can't read as well as she
can and can't and can barely write. Then you know, it's just exactly
that the school, because it's just like you said, regurgitate, repeat,
remember this, spit it back out. I always got in trouble for asking
questions for I was a class clown, but I would always when they would
present something, my mind goes off and I'd say, well, what about
this? Well what about that? That doesn't make it? And then it
was like, oh, that's not what it is. Don't worry about that,
you know, just shut up and put on the paper the answers we
want. Yeah, And the other I think disaster is the fact that they've
gotten away from actual writing. They're giving these kids tablets at the first and
second grade levels, and that's something in the advanced classes as you get into
junior high in high school, I think that's probably okay, but you need
to still learn the fundamentals like it. Going back to the military, you
have basic training, you have to learn the basic skills. And with auto
correct and everything else, everybody's given a crutch in life today. And that's
the other part of the reasons why so many people are so soft today is
between sports everybody wins, everybody gets a trophy, and auto correct and everything
else, people don't really understand what it's like to be on the losing end
of things. To be told, you're wrong. And you know, as
an adult, when you first find out how hard life is as a as
an eighteen nineteen twenty year old person, you failed that person. Yeah.
I've had to explain the participation Trophy to my daughter because she's gotten a couple.
I was like, that wasn't like that when I was a kid.
If your team didn't win, you'd got nothing. You messed around in practice,
you ran laps, you did push ups. You know they were on
you. Yeah. We had a thing when I in high school, when
I played football. It's called a Herschel Herschel walker. If you got in
trouble, you're doing four hundred push ups, four hundred sit ups, and
you know, running laps like the coach has screamed at you, yell.
You know today that coach would get a charge on him. Yeah, it's
just not the same. They don't. It's just like I said, it's
just this band aided soft bubble wrap world, and they're doing it on purpose
to make us not be able to you know, to make us dependent.
Yeah, want them to save us and to be dependent on their systems.
They don't want thinkers, they want compliant workers. Yeah. The Rockefeller saying,
yeah, I don't want thinkers, I want workers. That's right.
And I think I know I said this so many times, but you know
that whole bell system within the school, It gets you train for when you
grow up to you know, clock in and clock out, you know your
lunch break, clock in, clock out. Just that they don't want thinkers
here in Delaware. Our governor is signed on to the just the incredible minimum
wage. I think we're fifteen dollars beginning January first. Here is just a
couple of days as we record, it's actually December twenty ninth, and one
of the longest running seafood companies in Delaware just had to close it. They're
like, we can't pay we can't pay people fifteen bucks an hour and keep
our doors open. And they're older now, so it's not like they can
do all the work. So you're going to continue to see all of the
mama pop business right. It started with COVID. They wiped out in some
towns like Colorado Springs thirty percent of small businesses and around the country, some
more, some less. But I saw it. After I retired from the
Army, I started my own business in retail, which you can survive if
you're in a services business. Like if you're on the fence about college or
trade school, go to trade school, learn trade trade school. Yeah,
learned to be a plumber, a carpenter, a mason, a brick layer.
I don't want anybody to clip that George is a mason. But yeah,
it's just it's so important to learn a trade. Again, going back
to the small businesses, you're going to see less and less small businesses and
maybe ten years from now you're either going to work for the federal government,
Amazon or Walmart. Like it's going to be the days of the small businesses
which used to be the backbone. I think upboards of ninety percent of this
country continues to dissolve. You're in and you're out. Yeah, Like I
said, my father was a small business owner. My wife, she's a
stay at home mom. She's started her own business. It's a crafting business,
making all sorts of different everything from tumblrs to mouse pads, like sublimation
and everything from apparel, car vinyl stickers, Christmas bulbs, just all custom
design stuff. That's awesome. And like I said, my father always had
bars and restaurants and that was like his his thing. You know, he's
a lifelong Democrat. And even then though he understands that the minimum wagting doesn't
work. He you know, we would pay our bartenders and waitresses usually double
what they got around town because back and then in the in the early two
thousands, it was about two fifty an hour plus tips. Yeah, hips,
and then so we were paying like five bucks an hour for you know,
and so everyone wanted to work there and we were busy, and it
was a big jumping joint. But he understand and you know, all the
people coming into all the conversations of all the lot of small business owners would
come in there, and yeah, they couldn't. When they were talking about
raising it to ten, they're like, there's no way I can afford to
pay people that, you know. And and it's crazy out here in Sula
because you know, it's not even though it's the church and state separated,
it's not the guest runs at all. And they're a big time Zionist organization,
I mean Zion's Bank. They support everything. I haven't heard a rumor
that if you wanted to be a contractor here to get certain loans and stuff,
you had to sign things that you would be pro Israel and not against
the Zionist movement and things like that, like you had to it's weird.
And then I think it was the one guy you had on the Mormon Rishi
talking about the University of Utah. That was quite a eye opener because I've
had a lot of friends that went there, and I'm friends with a lot
of alumni there, and it's like, wow, yeah, they do kind
of have that Marxist view and it's very very socialistic. It's you know,
it's it's just it's a weird spot here. It's it's it's so beautiful and
sol gorgeous. But I just feel like that, you know, if it's
just under their control and if you don't play the way they will, they'll
shut you down. That's interesting. And Mitt Romney, this guy has been
a player for so long. He pretends to be a conservative on the right
guy, but he's really nothing could be further. He's really shown who he
is over the past few years. Is but is he just so embraced in
that state It seems fifty to fifty he's definitely embraced by the top power structure,
you know. Oh yeah, they were trying to get him to be
president. But I mean I think he was born in Mexico. You know,
his poligamous family. They have a compound in Mexico. You know,
they were when the church divided and all that that stuff, you know,
you know, and he he was what he was the governor of Massachusetts or
was it was somewhere back east. It wasn't Utah. And now I think
he's like one of our representatives or something. But yeah, it's they were
they were pumped, you know, pumping him up for the presidential run.
But like you said, yeah, he he poses as a conservative, but
he votes everything democratic and socialists. Yeah. He was the seventieth governor of
Massachusetts from three to seven. Yeah, and now he's just I'm going to
go to Utah. Yeah. And that's all just because he has an end
because he's you know, does he does their bidding and they have the blackmail
on him that they need, and he'll he'll follow, he'll follow what they
want him to do. And then you know, also thinking back about like
the history and the indoctrination, it's the same thing with how the the church
has been portrayed. Why people don't care. It's like, oh, Jesus
died for your sins, so it doesn't matter if you're sinful. You can
be sinful. He's already paid your atonement. And it's like, well,
no, you still have to walk the path of righteousness. You still have
to You can't just say I'm sorry. You have to fully repent and have
to be has to be from your soul. And you know you can't just
be, oh, you is Dad for my sins. I'm good. I
can I can do drugs, I can do abortions, I can live this
sinful life because it's already been atoned for. It's like that, that's not
how it works. No, And there's a lot of people who show up
to church for an hour on Sunday and think that that that that it tones
their sins and nothing can be further from the truth. Is you have to
uh, you know I can every night before I go to bed, I
ask for forgiveness for my sins because I know tomorrow I'm gonna sin again every
single night. And you know, I'm none of us are perfect. Well,
we're all flawed, but we try. You know, you can't call
yourself a follower of Christ and then just show up for church on Sunday and
then go back to living a life of sins. That's just not what what
you know. That's not how it works, and that's not what it should
be about. It should be about. And again this goes back to how
they have hijacked everything and minim minimalize. Try that again, minimalized. I
don't like these religion Christianity just you know the infrastructure of churches and how the
government has taken over churches and controlling them with the five oh one c threes.
And I've had again pastors tell me that if they didn't close during COVID,
they were going to lose their tax free status. And oh God forbid
if we lose that right, and you're staying here with their church and building
their temples and all their stuff. Is that tax free status you know it
made them in I don't know that made them legit. Yeah, think that
you know that tax free status because we're a real true religion. That's not
what that means at all. No, not at all. But yeah,
I could go on and on on on that forever and ever and ever,
and listen, we're all flawed and we all should try to be better people.
But to think that you can show up to church for an hour and
then go back to living in a sinful life. That's just not the you
know, once you accept Christ into your heart, you should be winning souls,
you know, And that's what I think is lost amongst everything is See,
I don't like to just blast. I'm not here to blast churches because
there are a lot of great church need one hundred percent, But I've seen
it so many times. I've tried many different churches in my area, and
everything is focused inward instead of outward. They do some great things, but
that's why, you know, everybody like yourself. You know, we're going
to start here every week on Saturdays at eleven am. We're going to have
to get together into a Bible study on the website. I forget the date
January, the second Saturday of January. When the thirteenth maybe awesome, i'm'll
have to join Yeah, one hundred percent, and I'll put that out here
next week as a standalone episode. But it's just we we have to do
better. We have to start thinking outside the box. And that goes for
education, that goes for how we profess our love of Christ and being better
parents and being better friends. Being better children is we have to to break
the norm how society said, this is how you have to be right.
We'll all you're hateful, or you're you're this, you're you know, they're
so quick to label you, whether it's as a person or you know,
your child won't sit still in class. So really, my six year old
won't sit still in a desk for eight hours a day. You don't say
maybe we should load them up on prescription drugs. I mean, the whole
thing is just we have to put a stop to it and you know,
start walking the walk instead of talking the talk. Yeah, maybe maybe it's
your Your school structure is why they can't pay attention and can't sit in class.
Maybe you need to be more hands on education and where they're doing things
instead of sitting there just listening to a lecture. Yeah, not everyone learned.
Not everyone learns the same, you know. I mean some people listen
to learn by a lecture, some people listen to by reading. Some people
listen to by experience. They have to they have to do it. Yep.
Yeah, And nowadays there's actually some places that I'll ask you that do
you learned by pictures? Do you learn by video? Do you learn by
audio? Do you learn by reading? And we're all different. And that's
the thing. You have one education system for millions of people. Just like
their magical elixirs. They try to push on people that the new vaccine,
you know, it's good for everybody. No, it's not, because nobody's
the same at all the commercials, because there's so many commercials on everything,
and just the side of effect. They're not side effects. Those are the
effects. It's a comical like for a simple thing that isn't life threatening,
isn't really it's you know, like, yeah, so rosa sucks. It's
a skin thing, but it's kind of ugly and stuff, but it's not.
It's not worth rolling. It's far worse to you than having a dry,
patchy part of your skin or something like that. Right. Crazy,
When you hear about cirrhosis or hair loss and then the side effects are stroke,
liver failure, you're like, wow, you know, hair loss isn't
really that bad. I'll take my monkey butt there you go, Yeah,
it doesn't. It's just hair like whatever, And I'm so glad you said
that. I've never heard anybody say that they're not side effects. They are
the effects, and it is to further make a deeper customer base, because
now you have another problem. Who are you going to turn to the doctor,
And what's the doctor going to do. He's going to prescribe you something
else and next thing you know, you're on ten pills for all your effects
that they've been that they've been given to you to counteract it. And then
it's just just the endless cycle. And that's what they want. Like everyone's
so worried about, Oh, they're trying to kill us all. No they're
not, and they want to kill us all. They just kill us all.
They want us sick and weak and dependent and to get as much money
and our time and energy and as they can, like you know, it's
truly they. Yeah, they do do big events where they sacrifice a bunch
of us to their demonic gods yep. Nine to eleven and things like that.
I mean, you look at it like you've talked about it before.
The Pentagon gets say, you've got a burning pentagram. Then they have the
recreation of Solomon's temple. You have the two towers, the two pillars,
and what was building seven, the Solomon building Solomon's to their own new Age
Solomon's Temple and they sacrificed it all to just like however the history goes,
you know, it's just it's just sad and it makes people fearful. And
that's something I'd like to print out, Like how the Bible has three hundred
and sixty five versus the say do not fear, like pretty much one for
every day. You know. It's like it'd be nice. I think I
want to somehow get a print out of that to read one every day,
just to have a little morning affirmation, you know. And I think people
could use that that, you know, Yeah, that is a great idea.
I was just going to ask you, do you think with nine to
eleven with those things that you said with the Solomon's Temple and the two towers
representing was Jokim and bias? I think it is the two pillars and the
burning pentagram. Hey, I'm having a allergy attack today. Did you think
it was just symbology or do you think it was a man? It's the
term because we know that eleven years earlier, that eleven number again George H.
W. Bush on September eleventh, nineteen ninety set a new world order.
But do you think it was a turning point as in that they were
like, again, we talk about how they used to boil the frog for
generations before, and they slowly reeled in these things, whether it be the
hippie movement and everything else that slowly creeped into our society. But here we
are, just twenty years later and we see that again they're not even hiding
their evil anymore. Do you think that was like their go card that day.
Yeah. I think it was a ritual, and I think it was
to to show, you know, the people that don't see it aren't going
to see it and they're not going to believe it. But those of us
that, you know, we're actually looking into things as conspiracy theorists, the
term they vented for us on the JFK assassination. I think it was like
say, hey, look, we can do what we want and take you
out and and we're gonna and we're gonna we do these things and we install
bills and laws and take away your rights when we do this, and there's
nothing you can do about it. That's how they want us to think and
feel, and they're they just perpetuate this division. They want they want a
civil war. You know, and that's how we have to win, is
by killing them with kindness and and you know, walking away and making a
parallel system and not being dependent and showing them that we don't need them,
that they aren't elite, that they're they're the parasites that you know, they
need us. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And that this the federal
government has become such a monster you can't really beat it. So I agree
with you is walk away and build your own society. But I think that's
the other thing, you know, I talked to in the beginning of the
program that many people were starting to show their frustrations. I think it's just
people don't know what to do. They don't know where to turn. They
realize, they recognize there's there's something really terrible going on, but they don't
know what to do. And it's basically you need to start a parallel system.
But you also need to I believe there has to be some level of
civil disobedience. And I've said this before. If you believe that this country
has been hijacked by a nefarious system with the evil actors who do not have
your best interest in mine, right, you're the ones who generate the income
for this country and for most people who are listening. You and your parents
and your grandparents in my case going back to the Civil War, have been
the backbone of this country and then just to be turned around and crapped on
and be put last in a system where it is being manipulated. And I
believe there's an intentional running into the ground of this country. Again, I
think I'm not trying to be a fear monger, but I think twenty twenty
four is going to make twenty twenty look like child's play because I think there
is going to be a credit event involved. And while you can have you
know, flu bugs and things of that nature go around for you know,
my grandmother told me the story she was born in nineteen seventeen. She told
me the stories of the Great Depression, and to add that to anything else
that's going on, whether it be like you said, a civil war,
which is something they're trying to push, do they throw some kind of false
flag in there to kick it off? Where are they intentionally going to push
these things with a certain guy being left off ballots and are they going to
piss somebody off enough to where they somebody actually does something, it remains to
be seen. But again, you have to be physically fit, you have
to be spiritually fit. And again, you know I'm prepared. I don't.
I don't like to be a prepper, right, I'm not here building
you know something, an underground tunnel or anything. But I am fully aware
that the have nots are going to come after the haves and just because you're
out in the country or you know, they're going to recognize that and that's
where they're going to come. So as a Christian, I feel I should
be able to protect my family. But you know, I'm not going to
go and beat the war drum and go after people. That's just ridiculous.
That's that's what they are going to hype up through the news cycle, and
they're going to try to spin people up and get them active so they can
put their plan and they can further their plan. And I think that's going
to be one of the biggest tests is, well, you know ten commandments,
you know, one of the parents is now shall not kill. How
you know it's going to be if that, if it kicks off the way
they want it, it's going to be hard to defend your family. And
if you have from the have nots without doing that and right because they'll find
us guilty. Just like you've seen for the last four years, you've seen
people break into the store and the guy protects himself, who gets arrested.
The guy who is protecting pushing in that corner. That's right. So yeah,
it's going to be it's going to be interesting. Times are ahead of
us, for sure. I wanted to kind of pave the way into flat
Earth. When did you you know, you talked about all the other things
that you've came across from from JFK to nine to eleven, et cetera.
When did you kind of come across flat Earth? And what was it that
lets you put your guard down long enough to actually investigate it. I've always
been very open minded and not just any believe just one thing. Like I've
always entertained everything. And it's probably about four years or so ago when I
first started looking into me a five and saw some videos, saw some clips.
I might have read an article or two, and I had read all
the Sitchen the Twelve Planet series books, and so I was really into all
that because I was into ancient aliens. I was I you know, I
was super into that, and then uh, when I heard people talk about
that, it was more of follen Angel's thing. And then once you see
that everything they do is like a cabalistic Satanic ritual and and trying to lead
everyone away from God is being you know, Luciferian and and all the you
know, the child sacrifice for Molock and stuff. It's like it just makes
more sense. It just clicked with me that way. And like your episode
with Derek Nemos, I would say it was like the final like nail,
like where I completely was like on board because how he had I was already
you know, probably like eighty ninety five percent there, and then when he
how he'd laid it down, it was just like, yep, that's it.
Just it just resonated, you know when something clicks and you can just
feel it throughout your whole soul and your body and your mental and it was
just like, yeah, that makes that makes much more sense. And those
stitching books are good because you learn whether his translations are correct or not,
but you learn a lot of history, a lot of geography and stuff from
that Sumerian age. And but it's totally not Aliens. It's fall it's the
Fallen and it totally coincides, coincides with the Bible, and you know,
yeah, they like the Ethiopian Bible is the oldest one around, and they
you know, I know that you're kind of a younger, younger Earth guy
where you're thinking more like six eight thousand years and it possibly could be older.
That gap theory, it kind of makes sense, and not necessarily if
it's a gap, But like I said, there's no time for God times
a thing He created for us, like a man made thing, you know,
like the skyclock. You know, moon tells the month, the stars
tell the season, the sun tells the time of day, and it just
makes so much more sense. And and I think that that's one of the
first divisions was separating that that biblical astrology. I think they probably you know,
they obviously renamed all the constellations and everything, all the all the wandering
stars into their pagan gods and goddesses and stuff, and and that might be
some of the stuff they left out of the Bible, was the true names
of the constellations and what they were for and why people kind of do tend
to act like the season they were born in, you know, because yeah,
the astrology is like a basic blanket covering of people that were born on
certain times. But people tend to do act in those ways and tend to
kind of what's the word like, coordinate with that. Whether they choose to
or not, it just kind of happens, you know. I can I
can see it with my children and people I've known, and my grandmother.
She was waiting that she would she would do readings for people and and hypnotize
people. And you know, it's like the the millionaires watch the stock markets
and the billionaires watch the stars. She was into all that spiritual energy and
and and when do the stuff for people, that was like our past time
on Christmas when she was alive, was to watch her pull someone over in
the corner and give them a reading and hit all their notes and make them
cry and make them have a new understanding. And and you know, she
was very not religious, but she was very Christian in a way. She
didn't go to church, but she believed in that and was very I think
she had that struggle of she believed both things and didn't know how to unite
them together. She didn't understand why they were separate complains. I think they
were separated. Yeah, because the Pagans put their twist on it, ye
to create that division. Really well said, and I'm glad you mentioned the
Samerians. I have a guess coming on next week who is going to deep
dive into that a little bit. And I'm assuming you've read the Book of
Enochs and really, you know, you know it's funny. Tucker Carlson is
one of these, another one of these characters that they put out there all
lah, if you need a hero, we'll give you one. And he
has been talking about all the UFOs and the declassifications and everything else. But
in the latest interview he actually did hint to these aren't actually you know,
people in you know, little green people from galaxies far far away. And
again one of the books of the Bible that's not included first Enox six to
eleven, talks about how these giants are the illegitimate offspring of falling angels.
They consume the labor of all the sons of men, they kill them,
they devour them, and they drink their blood. And these are the things
that are are kind of hidden from us. And where you from do you
subscribe to the fact that everybody should read them, should it be looked at
as a supporting text. What are your thoughts on the Apocryphy books. They're
definitely next on my list. I've read. I've read a little bit of
some of the Enoch stuff and some of the Jubilees and stuff. I think
they were taken out for a reason. I think people should read them.
I mean, the more knowledge. I mean, you should read the bog
of Gita. You should read all that stuff and take whatever is positive and
can be used for good out of it and leave the rest. You know,
you shouldn't be idol worshiping obviously and into all the crazy stuff because obviously
you can see it's fall and angel stuff with the hybrid gods and everything.
But I think there is information that's useful and can help people in all those
books and to help you understand the bigger picture and to where it all plays
together in the Bible. Like my acronym for Bible. I didn't make this
up, and I didn't make up the you're giving me credit for the the
effects and not the side effects. I heard someone else say that on a
on a different podcast. But H Bible b I B L E. Basic
instructions before leaving the Earth, and I think that they simplified it down enough
to that we're not going to get the full understanding and the full connection that
we should have. And so I think people should read those books and should
take the good information out of there and apply it and and build a better
foundation in a better perspective. I could agree more. What what would you
say as far as flatter Earth? What was one of the first Was it
a video? Was it a book? Was it was it a YouTube video?
What kind of led you down the path to flatter Earth? Yeah,
I saw like a couple of videos pop up, and I said, what
is this? You know, because like I said, I was into the
ancient alien stuff. And then I and one of the ones that really churned
me was it was done here in Utah Utah Lake and it was one of
the laser tests, you know, over curvature, and so like that,
like I said, that's one of my silver bullets is curvature. Their own
formula does not work, you know, and curvature goes with being able to
see too far the you know, the Chicago skyline, you know, And
I don't know, I'd like to go do one out of the salt flats.
But like I've seen so many of the videos, it proved the curvature.
You know, their their math equation doesn't work. And then you know
water always finds its level. And just the words of that, you know,
it's airplane, it's in the air, over the plane, it's horizon,
it's horizontal. You know everything has to be built level that we use
water level bubbles to build stuff. It just when I started just going down
watching videos and it was just like, holy crap. And and I and
TikTok was a good one when it came out because there's so much stuff on
there. And I knew when they started bad mouthing TikTok that was why.
Because they can't control it. It's not part of their system. It's not
their baby. You know, it's not under one of their controllers. They're
fake. They're fake heroes such as Zuckerberg and Elon And like I said,
you want a hero, they'll give you one. And it's like you like,
right now, everyone that was starting to kind of doubt Trump, then
you see the picture from the UFC fight and you got Trump and Tucker and
Kid Rock and a couple of people like, oh, this is the best
ever, and it's like, no, they're just trying to get at all
those people in those different crowds, those different tribes lined up, and it's
like there's just so much stuff from all the people he put into positions and
didn't get rid of and things that he did. Like I was watching a
clip today, Operation Warp Speed, Take the Pee Out, Operation War on
the Seed. It's like they're just it's like you want to believe, and
you want to believe some of these people might have been in it from the
start and actually have turned over a leaf. That's something I pray at night,
as you know, says, pray for the enemies, and I pray
that we won't be deceived by the wicked ones that want to do us harm.
And I pray that the wicked people can have a change of heart and
to do good and that you know, the ones that can't, that we
can defeat them. And it's just, you know, so when I just
started just seeing all the building blocks, I got Dave's app. That's really
fun. A lot of good stuff on there. And it's like being exposed
to astrology and stuff from my grandma growing up and learning about how the astrology
and the Biblical cosmology was such a big thing back in the times of when
Jesus was getting in trouble for going against some of the stuff that the Synagogues
and the Hebrews were teaching, and the druids and stuff. It all relates,
and it's all been corrupted and divided. So yeah, it just so
like the curvature was a big one for me, because if you're saying we're
living on a ball, nothing hands out to your math, it can't be.
It's it's just you know, I live here in Salt Lake, been
up on the move, been ski and since I could walk, snowboarding,
and you're coming down that cannon and you can see out forever when you're up
there. You know, it's just and I couldn't even calculate the miles,
you know, it's just. Were you able to connect the dots pretty quickly
when you understood that the globe is a deception? Did you connect the dots
pretty quickly? Why they work so hard to minimalize flat Earth and to push
the ball agenda. Yeah, So as soon as that started falling into place,
it's like, oh, I get it now, this is just part
of the them keeping us away from God, Like the whole science is to
lead people away from God. It just totally, like I said, how
it brings people back to God. I was a scientism, wasn't an atheist.
I always believed in God, and I would always when I would argue
with Christian people growing up, I would always throw the teachings of Jesus in
their face. I'd say, well, that's not what Jesus did, That's
not what Jesus taught, That's not what Jesus. You know, they would
all wear them what would Jesus do bracelets. I'm like, that's not what
Jesus would do. And it would really piss them off, and stuff like,
well, you're the one here saying that you're a fallower for Christ,
but you don't play the game. You're not, you know, you just
go, like you said, go to church for an hour on Sunday,
or you know, go to a meeting on Wednesday night, or it's just
not you know, yep. Yeah. And that was the biggest thing for
me, My goodness, gracious, and there's a range of emotions, and
I'm sure it was very much the same for you. How do you once
you realized the deception, how were you able to translate to your wife.
How did she take that? She? I think she can see it.
She's not. She proclaims to be a wickan, but she doesn't practice magic.
She doesn't, you know what I mean. I think she more goes
along that line because it was something cool growing up. It was a trendy
and I think it's kind of a rebellious thing because of how it was portrayed
in history. These these crazy people were burning people as witches when they probably
weren't. They were probably actually following just because they knew how to use herbs,
the natural God given medicine to heal you. And to this day they're
doing the same. They'll they'll take your license away. And so she is
on board. She just doesn't get in it. She she hates it.
I'm so deep in the conspiracies and I bring it home and so it's it's
good to have other people to talk to. I do have a small circle
I can talk to. My mom's been My mom's been pretty good at accepting
it, because, like you said, how do you approach people, how
do you drop the bread crumbs it? It depends on the person. If
it's a if it's a religious person, you got to give them Bible stuff.
Yeah, it's a if it's a non religious person, if it's an
atheist or scientism person, you've got to give them science. And so that's
the approach. Like I don't know where my mom, but I've sent her
a ton of your podcast. I've I've sent her a bunch of stuff,
and I used the religious angle on her a lot. And I think I
think she's just in that confused stage, like she doesn't understand like why the
line, but she does, she does, but she doesn't, like she's
it's hard for her to accept. You know, she's just turned sixty seven.
She's you know, just been full blown in the indoctrination TV and everything
her whole life. And you know, get the white dude in the white
lab coat telling you what's right and what's wrong and every system there is,
like that's why most doctors choose camel cigarettes. Yep. Oh yeah, it's
amazing. How getting back to the political thing, I wanted to touch on
it before I forgot. We talk about things like we can't believe we bought
into like helio centrism and many of the other things. But the other thing
that I'm very upset at myself for allowing to be a part of for so
long. Is the Team Left versus Team Right? And moreover, more importantly
than that, is putting my faith into other people, saying if this person
isn't elected, then I'm not going to be free like that. The mind
manipulation of people is so deep. And there's some days while I'll go outside,
I'll put out my camp and chair. It can be thirty degrees and
I'll just sit out there for hours and think this whole process everything is,
Everything is intertwined, from elections to Team Left to Team Right, to the
earth, to school to your corporate churches, and just it's all tied in
to make you just so confused and to make you forget that you were in
control of your life, that you control what happens tomorrow. Yeah, it's
all to make you lost in space, lost in space, and it's just,
you know, that's not what Jesus's message was. It's we all have
that touch of us. We all can walk that path, we all have
the power to do, you know, to basically, you know, not
be Him, but live that same walk that same road and be that strong
and not let the wicked ones control us. But they've done such a just
a good job of doing that and and just you know, divide and conquer.
It's just you know, like I said, they run the same playbooks
over and over and and people just feel like what can I do to stop
its? Like, well, you got it. First of all, you
gotta get right with God, and you gotta fuck or you gotta believe in
yourself. You can't just you can't be scared of them because they are the
few percent. They are the you know, and whatever they can do to
you, you got to have faith that. Like when they this guy was
breaking down the armor of God the other day, it's all for the front
of you, helmet, breastplate, belt, shield, sword boots, nothing
for your back because God's got your back. I was kid, I work
up with He's on page with this. We have deep discussions. Yeah.
I told him that their days. Well, that gave me the chills.
And I'm like, because it's the truth, Like, that's that's why you're
not supposed to run away and let them chase you off. You're not supposed
to stand here and kill them all. But you're supposed to stand your ground
and face it and have the faith like just be hit it head on and
people respect that. Going back to again with COVID. While I'd walk into
Walmart without our mask, for every one person who would give me the scowl,
there would be another person would kind of nod and appreciate the fact that
people had the testicular fortitude to stand up against you know, the government.
Again, stop believing that another human being gives you your rights. Okay,
that nothing could be further from the truth. And again, it's going to
take a lot of work. Excuse me, it's going to take a lot
of courage and for people to get out of their comfort zone and to start
having these discussions in public with family members and with friends to get them to
see the truth. Now again, like you said with your mom, and
you know, I'm an older guy too, My goodness, I'll be fifty
five in July. I was just in high school like two days ago.
I don't know what happened. But obviously the older the person, it can
be a little more. It's not always the case, but it can be
more difficult to kind of unwind that in doctrination. But at some point we
have to put our foot down and put a stop to the way society is
going before literally before it's too late, because where we are today, we're
in a scary place. Not to spread the fear porn and not to make
people worry, but we are in I'm very worried about this coming year twenty
twenty four because we know in the United States when there's an election here,
they try to get things out of control to have certain outcomes. This I
would say, if you're thinking about trying to wake people up and get them
to understand how the world really works, I would suggest you try to do
so sooner than later. And with that being said, have you had any
success kind of waking people up? Probably my mom a little bit. My
half brother he's been he's been awake for a while. He's one of the
people I can talk to about it. He doesn't really have I don't think,
anyone to talk to about and I keep trying to tell him, like,
our group here is bigger than you think. There's more of us that
are can see this stuff and think the same way than you think. And
some of my friends not really there. Like I've had a pretty tight group
of friends, but like I said, they're pretty indoctrinated. They're in that
we just want to you know, we just want to have a beer and
smoke one and chill. And they don't believe and they just can't see it.
Like my one friend he told me about is probably almost twenty years ago,
wow, because his uncle was on it. And but he is trying
to tell me when COVID happened to go get Go get the jab like you
say, you know, and he's already had I know, at least one
or two booster and it's like, dude, how like you know, they
can see one part of it, they can't see the other, can't connect
the dots. Yeah, And so my friend group's pretty softwered quite a bit.
Like I said, I grew up sex, drugs, and rock and
roll. I just celebrated my two years sober anniversary. Oh God, blessing
December eleventh. Uh. You know, I grew up in a bar.
Like I grew up, alcohol was cool. And alcohol is definitely the gayway
drug. It's called spirits for a reason. Ye you know. They labeled
it as marijuana, but it's definitely alcohol. I agree from my experience.
I sold it for fifteen years, and I was in it for you know,
longer than that. I probably started drinking when I was seventeen and I'm
forty two now, so I quit when I was forty. It's just you
get what I call it the F word, the efforts when you get past
your point of drinking where it doesn't matter. Oh yeah, eft, let's
go do this, or yeah we'll do that. It's just and you can
physically, I physically just watch people change when they're intoxicated for being behind that
bar. As a poor Man's psychologist said, listen to their problems, and
everyone's drinking to to feel happy and to alleviate their anxieties. And really what
it does is it'll either it might change you for a moment. You might
get happy. You might have a couple of drinks and a song comes on
and you feel good. But eventually it's just gonna accelerate that state of mind
you're trying to alleviate. It doesn't it doesn't kill any problems. It just
it just kind of puts them to the back burner, just a distraction for
a minute. And like I said, when part of me waking up was
we used to do a camp out every year with our small group and we
would have a big dose of a psilocybin, psychedelic mushroom tea and and sit
around the fire and get deep, laugh and cry and go through all of
it. And I remember, I haven't done it now for the last two
years, and the one four years ago we did a lot. We went
big, they called a heroic dose. And I saw the firmament that night.
I was standing out there and what it what it looked like to me
was like the domes in the churches in the Capitol buildings, and then with
like the sacred geometry, the diamonds and the honeycombs, and it was just
this giant and I, you know, I was like I was seeing it.
And that was when I first was kind of getting into it, and
I was just like, oh my god. And I was trying to talk
to a couple buddies about like do you see this or you see like can
you you know? And of course they're so in doctor, Oh no,
that's stupid. You know, We're on a globe spinning, and and it's
like, you know, and just couldn't see weren't seeing what I was seeing.
And and then it talks about those references, you know, we used
to hear the stars saying, well, out where we would go, you
can really see the ple eightes that of stars. It looks like it's always
moving and manipulating and like dancing. And so me and my one friend we
always would stare at that and just like what is that is it? Is
it like a Morse code? Is it sending us a message? Is it
saying something? And then when I heard the people bring that up about how
we used to like, yeah, we just probably can't hear what it's saying
anymore. We in the old days when people were connected properly and and understood
it better. Probably you know, it was giving a confirmation of God and
spirituality. You know, yeah, one hundred percent. That goes all the
way back to again, those old ancient people were dumb, and we've really,
with technology and everything else, we've just become out of touch with nature
and God's creation. I couldn't agree anymore with you. You had mentioned that
curvature was one of your silver bullets. What were your others that you had?
The movements in space, you know, like we're spinning one thousand,
then going sixty thousand, and then we're chasing the sun through space at five
hundred thousand miles an hour, Like people can't even fathom these speeds. So
in like the space station, like all the NASA stuff, like the moon
landing. I mean you just look at it now. Even as a kid,
I remember looking at it going, oh, it's cool, but it
never resonated like what we actually did. And then when you hear, oh,
well the moon reflects the sun might well why was it so dark on
the moon, And like you've brought up, why isn't any of the moon
dust popping up in the air. Why isn't there dust clouds all over?
And then the space station, it's going seventeen thousand miles an hour. Well,
whether it's going the same direction we spin or the opposite, we should
be seeing it zoom across the sky like sixteen times a day, fifteen times
a day. There should be the streak because people don't know how fast is.
Yeah, plane looks slow, but it's only going a couple hundred miles
an hour. People can't understand seventeen thousand miles an hour like that thing should
be shooting across the sky like a shooting star fifteen to sixteen times a day
like a streak. Yeah, and it's literally going like yeah, it's like
thirty four times faster than like a seven sixty seven, right, And it's
like, oh, we have an app that you can watch it, and
it's like, yeah, but the app it's just showing it going so slow,
and it's not it's showing oh, here you can see it at night
come by. Yeah, that should be like the fifteenth time it's come by
or the tenth time, you know, Like I said, it should be
coming across multiple times a day. And people doing space walks on a vehicle
that's going that fast. It's just right and it's never been hit by any
space to breathe it right there, all yeah, unbelievable. And then just
the fact that you know they won't emit the firmament, but there's the van
Allen radiation belt and you know, the temperatures of melting of aluminum and what
the crafts were made out of. They can't go through it. And speaking
like you've always been asking people lately about stars and stuff, I think stars
are our angels and I think their souls. I think that we probably become
a star if you pass on to the next realm and you get to that
next level of the inside or beyond the firmament and like shooting stars like that,
you know, they always come down whenever sees them go up. Well,
that the concept of the Bible always talks about the firmament being blue sapphire,
and our sky is blue. And how that one guy's done that scientific
experiment with the electromagnification of the oxygen that makes it like this blue, hard
and crystal. Well, how many things do they shoot up into that thing
and try and blow it up. That's what falling stars and some of that
can be is chunks of that coming down, burning up, and then it
just burns up in the atmosphere and then I'm sure it heals itself. It's
God to be able to heal itself or otherwise there be a bunch of water
forming through it. And you know, yeah, and obviously yeah, and
I've said before, obviously I believe God made it to where only He can
destroy the earth. That's why I think that the nuke thing, Oh,
we can destroy the earth seventy times over. No, you can't, because
God created and only God. And that's what I tell people in church.
I got not an argument, but somebody had mentioned in church one of the
times that we were there about you know, Putin and the nuclear missiles,
this and that, and I said, only God. I was like,
if we could destroy the earth at will, then that would completely eliminate revelations
right right, that the prophecy would not If that happened tomorrow, then what's
the prophecy for? And all of it, everything, the deception is so
deep. And you know, it's funny once you're on this side of the
fence because listen, all of us at some point, for whether it was
we were a little awake or a lot awake, and there's always people who
you know, well, we were all there. Yeah, we were all
there at some point. It's so frustrating when we're on this side. It's
like, man, please see it. And that's my favorite movie is They
Live And when when Roddy Piper and the other guy are fighting and he's just
trying to put the glasses on that guy. That is my life. That's
what I feel like. And that's like you said, I haven't had much
luck waking anyone up, because that's how it feels like. I was like,
come on, just look at it, and they just won't. They
don't, like they don't want their comfort destroyed and I'm like, like,
if you think that this is gonna, you know, hurt your comfort,
wait till if they succeed in their plan and you got to really find it
out the hard way's have no preparation and no one understanding and you have a
mental breakdown during the middle of it. Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.
You know, I thought we actually made some progress. I think three
months ago, when you know the hacker group Anonymous they made that eight minute
video on flat Earth. I'm like, Wow, this is actually getting mainstream.
And then two days later it's just it didn't like everything else. That's
that's cool story, bro. I sent it to one of my friends that's
way into it and he's laughing about it. Oh, it improves your critical
thinking skills, and oh, I can't wait to share this. And I'm
like and I'm like, I'm glad that you're heading on the video, and
I hope you do share it because it's going to back. You're trying to
share it because you think it's stupid. Yep, some of the people that
you share to are going to wake up. It's going to click. So
I was like, even though he's completely against it, that's awesome. Please
share it as much as you can, because it you know. And I
tried to share with him your episode with Raoul. Shout out to Raoul and
Alex and Claudia from a mental It's one of my favorite shows. That was
great Grand Years, probably the two biggest I listened to. And I shared
that his first time on here on your on Flatter Files with a lot of
people and say, look, this guy kind of went through a life like
I did. And so you know, if we haven't talked for a while,
if you're kind of wondering where my head's at, where I'm at,
listen to this episode. It's pretty much not the same, but like similar,
Like you'll listen to his journey and what's gone on and where he's at.
And that's the best I can explain it if you're if you're wondering at
this time in our lives. Yeah, And that's interesting you say that,
because I if I post a picture of my dog on Facebook, it'll get
you know, I have a very small private group. You know, it'll
get twenty or thirty lakes. But I actually put the anonymous video and I
put please take eight minutes and watch this. It didn't get not one nobody
paid attention to it. And then that's so frustrating for me that you know,
you know, we're near the Philly metropolitan area. So but hey,
the Eagles one, you'll you'll get twenty lights or here's my chicken playing with
my dog twenty likes. But you know, like you said, here is
where I am at the age of fifty four, This is where I am
at in my journey in life. And it's I don't have my cricket thing
preloaded here, otherwise i'd hit you know, crickets. But it's just so
interesting that really goes to show once again where we are as a society,
that they'll pay attention to football scores, they'll pay attention to cute things,
right. And no, I'm not knocking TikTok because, like you said,
it's something that can't be controlled by the folks in this country. That's why
they hate it so much. But I think our tension span has almost become
TikTok. Right, two three minutes is all we can really focus on.
Then we're on to the next thing. Most of the people, yeah,
there are few people that listen to podcasts and can you know, digest an
hour and you know. I I started out when I was driving truck.
I listened to Rogan a lot, and I can't listen to it anymore.
I can't either same show over and over, his same narrative, his same
perspective. You know, he used to be he used to challenge and go
go in on some things and be open minded. And then after he did
the episodes with Malone and the other doctor, they shut him down and told
him who's who and what's what, and he completely changed his tune. And
like I said, the last time, one of the last episodes I listened
to was the last time Neil de clown Tyson was on there. And all
he was on there to do was promote his book and used Joe's platform.
Yep, he didn't not one iowa what Joe had to say, didn't care
anything. Was he almost was very disrespectful and was just like, here's my
book, here's my racist perspectives, and here's my Space stuff, and I
don't care what you have to say, and I don't care who others podcast
or person you suggest me to talk to. It was just like wow,
it's very it was very ugly. And so I haven't listened to his show
now for over a year probably, and just been listening to a bunch of
other podcast Yours Tenfold Hat with Sam Tripleal, like his watch a lot of
John Levi videos. Yeah, every Sunday he comes out. My wife loves
John Levi. I'm like, it's Sunday morning. I'm barely awake. John's
put me to sleep. Put it on one point five speed. I gotta
listen to it. I listen to it BA and I'll slow down when there's
something to look at. And then he's great that I work with. He
he really loves John Lee, but that's his guy. He's good. He's
of the ones. And then I like Doctor Narcolongo and I love all the
Hitler stuff, and I hate how they diss on on John. But it's
like John's just trying to come from a spot he doesn't so he's not going
to act or pretend like he does, you know, and and to come
full spectrum as they know for sure. It's like, well, you you
do have a good insight on it, but you don't know for sure,
so don't you know? So that just kind of it's just more that division
with our own community, like you know, you're hating on the guy because
he presents it as he does it well, he doesn't like and he's not
trying to pretend like he's a know it all. He's just trying to that's
his angle. I don't know, Well, this is look at it?
Do you know what it is like? Please keep questioning, keep speculating,
And that's what I try to do here. I don't know everything. I
know a little bit about almost everything, but I'm not really a subject matter
expert on too many things. And I think one of the cool things about
how this podcast has evolved is every time we bring on somebody new, like
yourself, we all learn something new every single guest, and so we're all
all of us are trying to connect the dots. By the way, I
should say, all the podcasts you named are great, including of course our
Friend's Role and everybody else there at the Firnmamental podcast, Alex, My lunch
break is something I became hooked on that David Weiss kind of put me onto
it, and he's kind of I think, similar to John Levi, would
you agree, kind of going through old school history and architecture and the mud
floods type of Yeah. I love my lunch break I actually just my last
day of work before Christmas break, I dropped that nugget on one of our
younger workers there. He's like twenty two good and I said, I've ever
seeing my lunch break and he's like, oh, no, what is that.
It's cute, cool little YouTube channel there. There's shorter videos so you
don't have to watch like an hour long thing. It's like ten minutes and
just goes over questions everything because he listens to the conspiracy guys and some other
stuff like that, and so I was like, oh, check it out,
you know, and just trying to get him in the fold. And
it's it's hard because so many people when they get raised in a strict religion
such as like LDS or Catholicism or something, they get such a bad flavor
for anything God related and they go so extreme. That's a great point opposite
way. So it happens to a lot of people here in Utah. They
get related raised in the LDS religion and they don't study the Bible like I
said, they study the Book of Mormon, they kind of skim over some
of the stuff that helps them promote their narrative in the New Testament. They
don't really like to go over the Old Testament at all, and unless they
pick and choose a few verses here and there to promote their angle. And
so when they so when they get exposed they go on their mission or they
go to college and see a whole different world and different perspectives, they're like,
oh, this is stupid, this is a cult. And they go
so hard the opposite way. Yeah, and it's like, well, that's
what you've got to look at as is they are they're teaching their certain made
up version of it for that control, for that gain of power. And
that doesn't discredit all of it doesn't discredit God and Jesus and anything. It
just to credit discredits what they're doing. But I find that there's a tough
one with a lot of people, like even you know, like even Hebrew
and Jewish people do that too, Like they'll learn like, oh, well,
they're studying the they're studying the Talmud. It's all about the Torah.
It's all bs. And it's like, well, no, they just that's
why they created the Talmud was to loophole and bypass the Torah, to not
have to follow any of the rules of the actual teaching and the actual you
know what you should be doing. You you want your eyes open read that
right. Holy cow, we're starting to wind down here. Was there any
other bullet points that you wanted to make sure that you brought up during the
podcast? Just how all the history is just you know, it's so given
to us and not not probably what it really was from all the different wars
of the world, all this the national histories of different countries and places,
and I mean, and like people are in the flat earth always, Oh,
there's so much more land out there, and there definitely is. I
don't know if there's anything outside of the ice wall which could possibly be I've
seen some videos showing how the sun could go to those other places and stuff.
But like they just found how many new Japanese islands, like seventy thousand
or something like that, some crazy number seven. I don't know what it
was. It was huge, but it's like, yeah, how what other
That's just that there could be places and just the the treaties of you know,
well, we're supposedly in the middle of this war, but they're all
going down to Antarctica and just you know, and the North Pole and all
that, like I've been up above the Arctic Circle and uh in there in
Finland where some of my family comes from, up into Lapland, and and
how they all have reindeer up there for pets. Wow, and they're like
domesticated. They got collars on them and they're laying on their porch like a
dog. And it's just knowledge of coexisting with the animals that we were supposed
to be doing. We're supposed to be out here teaching each other, populating,
naming and and and producing, not not out here divide and conquer,
fearing each other and fighting and right and just to touch on your your your
Jordan thing, uh, No one talks about when Jordan's dad died that it
could have possibly just been a murder. So there was a thing that was
out about Jordan's gambling. Yep, how Jordan would never lose yep, double
nothing, double nothing. We're doing to you know, tell he would win?
Well, that only goes so far with like personal bets, like once
you owe the house. And so that was just always a conspiracy of mind,
like theory of what if they killed his dad because he wouldn't pay and
they said, no, you're not doubling up this time you need to pay
and send them a message. Okay, we killed your father and that's why
he stepped away and and then came back and like just just just a little
touch on that. Oh I buy that's a episode. Yeah, his dad
died right before he retired the first time. So yeah, yeah, the
fact that he wanted to play baseball, like no athlete has ever walked away,
you know, Sansbury Sanders, right, But he didn't quit being an
athlete, He just went to baseball. I one hundred percent agree that it
was a deal with the NBA because he's the great ate at star and that
the sport in the sports history, and you could question one of the top
three American athletes of all time, certainly the most recognizable. I remember when
the movie with him and Bugs, Bunny and all those guys came out in
like in the early nineties, it was one of the biggest crossing movies of
the of the year. He I mean, he had everything, but again,
his gambling was off the chart. And it would not surprise me if
his father was murdered by you know, some folks from Vegas or maybe some
mob bosses. You know, maybe he would those because he he would golf
for million dollars a hole, and you don't know who's behind these. You
know, you get to the eighteenth, you're three million in the hole and
there's some mobsters standing there, right, or you've been secretly Pete Rose betting
on your team or championships and yeah, and we all know that referee from
the NBA came out and how yeple call change a game and all that,
and it always hit the money line and stuff. And another one was,
uh, people always talk about the Shazam movies. So in Shazam Too,
they always talk about when the the lady, the which lady puts the dome
over everything, and like how it's kind of exposing the firmament like in the
Simpsons with the dome and all that. Yeah, the biggest thing for me
is the tree. Now, I've been to Devil's Tower, and I've been
all over southern Utah and we have a lot of you know, structures that
look like cut down trees, and the Devil's Tower one, I've been there
and I've seen a lot of videos on it and it definitely looks like a
tree to me. Now. In Shazam Too, that's the whole point is
they're getting back this magic seed from their uh god realm because they're theirs was
killed and they need this magic seed to replant their tree of life to repopulate
their world. So the one gets pissed off instead of replanting it in their
their dimension or world or wherever realm where they're from, she goes and plants
it. I think it's in Philly Stadium, and this tree pops out,
and then the roots just started going all through the city and what pops out
of the roots are cyclopses, minotaurs, all these demonic haf breeds like from
the flood and stuff. And it just when I saw that scene in that
show, it just clicked and made me think of all the cut down trees
and stuff. And I was and I was just thinking, like, maybe
that's why in the old times some of those trees got cut down, because
they were seating some of the corrupted flesh and the corrupted beings that weren't supposed
to be here. Maybe we cut some of them down or some of the
good, you know, because I you know, some of the it's weird
when you research the history, like some of the demigods, the lower lower
g gods. You know how Athena supposedly stood up for us and stayed to
fight off the bad ones, and same with like some of the other Norse
ones and different ones. There was always evil and good ones, you know,
like some that were part of the Elohem and some that were the you
know, followers of Lucifer and Saton that were the third it came to corrupt
us and ruin everything. Right, So it's like maybe some of them did
cut down those evil trees, and then maybe some of the bad ones cut
down some of our good trees. And that's what some of those you know,
that theory of those big giant rock structures being cut down trees comes from.
Said you said that was Shazam two. Yeah, and Shazam two.
I definitely haven't seen that. When I have to. That scene is just
crazy. It's just when she plants that tree and it grows and then all
those all those things that got wiped out by the floods start popping out,
It's like, holy cow, like I could that could definitely be one of
the way, Like you know, it was just it just resonated, It
just made a click, and no one ever talks about that part. They
just talk about the Dome. Have you seen the new Obamas movie. No,
I've seen some. I saw a trailer and I saw some clips,
and I don't know. I've ben't scared to watch it because like my wife,
hat's watching stuff with me because I can't shut up. I'm like,
oh, look at that. I can't just sit there like so some stuff
I could sit there and enjoy. Bird Like I just always say, trying
to code everything. Yeah, it's called leave the world behind if you get
an opportunity, Like we don't pay for Netflix, but somebody kind of hooked
me up. And it's so much like the girl's wearing a NASA shirt,
the other guy he's wearing an Obey shirt, the checkered floor. I mean,
just I've never seen a movie since I think it's up in the air.
Maybe that had so much symbology, whether it's predictive programming, which if
it is, we're in big trouble, or if it's just more symbols and
to see who's paying attention but they're short is a lot. Another question I
wanted to ask you was, by the way, when you were talking about
history, one of the things that really woke me up is when I found
out the true history of Lincoln. That was really an eye opener because of
course he's champion as one of the greatest presidents of all time, and then
you find out he was certainly, without a doubt, one of the most
tyrannical. But you've mentioned the Pyramids during our conversation a few times. What
do you think of the peer amids are who built them? Et cetera.
I think they were probably built by some of the nepheline or Rafaim, some
of the ancient demigods. That's why we can't do it today. Uh,
And just the sheer size of them had you know, it almost had to
have been some giants involved in that. I really liked the YouTube channel Land
of Cam with his name is Jeff I can't remember his last name. He
has a book, Land of Cam, He's got a YouTube channel. He's
really uh broken down how they're chemical processing plants and how they're connected because they
they've never found, you know, they have actual tombs, they've never found
sarcophagus and bodies in the pyramids and so and he talks about how that technology
was taken around the world and like that's really what it was when they went
over to Ireland to kill the snakes. Was you know, there wasn't snakes
in Ireland. There was certain knowledge of the transmutation of metals and and chemical
making and stuff. And so he's done. I don't know how he gets
access to it, because like Graham Hancock supposedly banned from the Pyramids for his
theories on it. And then this guy's over there inside filming them and doing
chemical testing and like all this stuff, and his channel's pretty big. But
how he breaks it down, how they're like chemistry sets of how they would
put this chemical in flood it in with the water to create the pressure up
in this chamber, and to go into the next chamber and create one one
type like a pneumonia here, and then they would send it down to the
next one and they would turn into a couple other different chemicals or gases and
send it to the next one. It's it's pretty interesting. He's got some
really cool videos on there. I'll have to send you a couple that I
usually recommend to people. And then out here west of Salt Lake, we
have what looked like many modern day pyramidal structures, you know, built out
of you know, modern materials and stuff, and they're small and they're all
connected with pipes go on from one to another. That looks like the process
he's explaining, just on a smaller scale. Interesting. So yeah, it's
I think that's what they were, was ancient technology they've hidden and disguised as
tombs and stuff. And I mean they're everywhere. There are pyramids on every
continent everything. And I'm really into doctor Narco a Longo's that Florida could be
the Garden of Eden, for like the twenty seven trees that grow there out
of the twenty eight of the Bible, and the river systems, and it's
an actual fertile crescent, and why not keep them fighting over a deserted wasteland
desert over there and keeping them away from the true you know, fertile area.
I mean, is a possibility. I like entertaining that. Plus,
the Egyptians say they came to Egypt by boat because their land was destroyed and
flooded out. And you have all the Egypt stuff and the Grand Canyon that's
hidden and stuff, right, Yeah, that's something I haven't dove into enough.
Yeah, and you can't, you know, there's so many sections of
it. You can't even go into Buddy're like we should just get some four
wheelers one day and going like, yeah, we'll get shot, just like
trying to invade their area fifty one. They're letting you in there. And
just you know, the whole slavery history, you got so much of dark
skinned people all throughout Mexico and stuff, and tribes of Indians here that were
black and brown. You know, I don't think that they were all brought
here by boat. I think they're taking them back and forth from Africa to
Hear, from here over to Europe, from all over everyone's been slaved.
And and that's that's one thing that bugs me about like the leadership of Islam.
They attract so many non white people when the leaders of it technically to
their eyes are white. They're all Arab non you know, And and they
still do slavery today. But yet the Christians are the evil white slaveries of
the past. Like that's just a just one of that, know that more
that distorted history to create the division and to hide the truth. Yeah,
and it's really interesting, and I've said this before that you know there's people
who will still scream about what happened two years ago. Let's just say it
did happen that way, that there's still fifteen to twenty million slaves today,
and like people will go out and they'll spend two hundred dollars on a pair
of nikes that were literally made by slave labor, right, and your phones,
your iPhone's made in a labor camp, and is just it's just another
that divide and conquered to keep us fighting each other instead of fighting the real
enemy, exactly the spot on. That's that's what it's all about. Keep
us fighting amongst each other. And lastly, I'm glad you brought up chemptrails
my episode Tuesday night on the Fact Hunters called Death from Above. Before Christmas,
I had mentioned that we were getting sprayed here like I've never seen before.
And over the last week, everybody I know has been sick, and
that is something that really needs to be addressed and brought up more as well.
And I'm glad to see some of the fringe podcasts and social media folks
are starting to talk about it because it's a big issue. Oh yeah,
and and people don't believe, like I said, my friend turned me onto
him like twenty years ago and I've been watching it my whole life. They
spray here like crazy. It is. It is insane. And you watch
the pass that go. It's right over the most populated areas. And like
you said, they all everyone's getting sick. And now you know there's a
five G tower every hundred yards yep, I mean everywhere. It's just I
don't know if they correlate or not. But like I said, radiation poisoning
sickness is the same symptoms as the flu. I think it goes hand in
hand. You know, it is the air, the water, the food.
You know, there's a cool app. It was a link from when
you were buying the water filter on on from Ready Hour, like on my
Patriots Supply they have that big water like Alexa pure Pro or whatever water filter.
There was a link it could go to and you could type your city
in and it would show you kind of the levels of the stuff in your
water. And it was really cool. So I checked out like my water
area, like and you know here in Utah and the little suburb city I'm
outside of Salt Lake, and it gave you different levels for different places.
It was really neat to see, you know, and that could be true,
and that could be false. You know, it's like you know,
you know, like and they trace. That's another thing here is the genealogy
Hibler had mentioned. No, most people's past only goes to like the Civil
War. Well, a lot of people can trace their stuff back farther than
that. Yeah. And then here in Utah, I have a huge genealogy
library and it's free. And it's like, but is it true? Because
they're trying to prove they're they're one of the lost tribes of Israel. That's
you know, that's why they are so into it. They want to baptize
everyone into their religion and prove that they true. And and and I think
that those tablets were just stolen out of a mound. I think that you
know, they found they dug up some mount in Ohio one of the giant
mounds are burial pyramids, and and found a found them tablets and and then
created you know what they have today. After that, I mean they've been
They've had a member in every sector of the government for ever, for you
know, over twenty years. If you know, huge FBI thing out here,
you got huge military bases, like you said, they just built that
gigantic NSA Center out here. Yep, Like you know, they're they they
had a guy running for president, They've paid their dues, they're in.
You know. It's I tell my brother that, I'm all, that's why
they have this. It's so called vault in the mountain. I'm all,
that's not a vault. That's an underground city in the mountain that they're going
to go. The top dogs are going to hide in that, right,
and then all the temples are giant bunker fortresses for the next level, and
then the other churches are all just for the next lower level, peasants and
people they want to save to keep as their workers and slaves. And and
he was like, well, I never thought about it like that. And
it's just, you know, it's just weird. It's just weird. It's
always been a beautiful, super beauty place. We got you can snow ski
and water ski in the same day, and it's just but just the who
it's controlled and run by, it's super weird, indeed. And it's the
same with Colorado. You know, you look at the all the symbolism at
the airport, and then of course that the mountains down there in Colorado Springs.
I can't remember the name of the place. Norad is in you know,
in the in the mountains there. So the Getty the Getty family is
one of the richest families in the world. It's been known for years.
The second guest I ever had on the fact dunner Man. I can't think.
Stephen D. Kelly. That's his name, Stephen D. Kelly.
He does the show every week and it's just on the underground compound below the
Getty Museum in California and every all the evil that goes on there. But
I wanted to run past you. Have you heard of this before? The
reason I brought up the the camtrails in the spring is that the two compounds
that were tested. There was a big TV thirteen years ago, twenty ten,
a local news story. There was a guy in the small town that
was screaming chemtrails. So the day after a day that it appeared to be
spreading, they took this piece of whatever they had left out and they tested
it. And the two chemicals that they found was barium and aluminum. Well,
barium, what is the symbol b A? What is aluminum al So
you have your ball on top of that the atomic number for barium is fifty
six. Fifty six is the number of the Jesuits. How many signatories were
there on the Constitution? Fifty six, and then aluminum is thirteen. You
look at all the numerology between aluminum and barium. The melting point is six
hundred and sixty six point three degrees celsius for aluminum. That there's a lot
of numerology between these two things. And I wonder if that if there's anything
to that. Have you ever heard that, I've heard you talk about it.
I've heard that I work with aluminum. We cut aluminum motorcycle sprockets and
uh we get a high end, real high grade space age aluminum quality,
you know. And NASA yeah, and uh, but yeah, I think
it does. You know, they love their numbers. And I think it
has to do with the rituals. I think there is you know, the
vibrations and all that, and I think that when they spray it, it
coordinates, and that the different things they put in in these all these medications,
all these injections. You know, that's why they're pushing the bug agenda.
That's why the the shellfish thing and the bugs is in the in the
Bible. Because shellfish are just water bugs or just sea bugs. And I
heard the other day how when you eat that and then if you're injected out
it reacts together it like it helps, it helps it do what it's supposed
to do. If you're inject if you're eating the shellfish or the bugs,
that whatever is injected with you that has that the compound has a reaction and
it makes it, you know, congeal or you know, form up what
it's intended to do faster, at a higher rate. Agreed, And there's
something going on because you know, this year, I've just seen so many
sick people that are never sick, and I just seen the uptick of spraying,
and who knows what's going on with the five G towers. And you
know, there's some people who believe they're putting things in our water. I'm
on a well, so it does make sense if they're spraying, because obviously
those chemicals can get into our well through the ground to whereas people think they're
putting it into the water systems. I don't know about that, but whatever
the evil is, it needs to be stuck. By the way, I
think I said the Constitution, it was the Declaration of Independence, that had
fifty six signatures on it. So yeah, you don't think they have to
put it in the water system because they spray and it naturally exactly exactly.
And that's why you know Senor Gates is buying up all that land. It
ain't for the farms, it's for the water. He wants to control the
aquifer. He wants to we have that huge water aquifer in the middle of
the country that he wants to own that and dictate. And yeah, they've
been playing a long game for a long time when you look at how his
grandpa was involved with the Spanish flu, and it's all they just keep doing
it every so many years once we forget or don't learn about it, and
it's just it's sad. It's I never get sick. I got really sick
November of twenty nineteen and then didn't get sick again until probably twenty one,
twenty two. But yeah, I would never I'd maybe get a flu for
a few days once a year, but you know, I think your natural
cycle of your body purging. Sure, Yeah, I've been getting little little
respiratory things here and there, and I never got any jab. I never
even did one test. I never even did any of that. I just
didn't. We just ejected from that game and just did not play it.
And I was lucky that my job I didn't have to. And then I
switched jobs in the middle of it to where I didn't have to, and
so yeah, it's just but yeah, I've definitely noticed, and I definitely
noticed all the people I know that did get the injections that they are having
major stuff going on, and it's it's heartbreaking. It's just so I've lived
such a life of being frustrated about so many things for so long that I'm
trying to turn it all from frustration and judgment to to forgiveness and and just
trying to just spread love and and not you know, be so upset about
it and forgive them for they know not what they do. It's all just
we've all just been misled down the wrong way, you know, from everything
from science to history to to u creation, right, you know, the
attrition and health and oh man, all of it. Yeah. I did
a whole week on the fact underback in twenty maybe it was last year,
last summer, but just on all these holistic doctors who were chased out of
the country and had their lives ruined, and people who legitimately like cured people
from their cancer and things like that through natural resources, which of course threatened
big pharmaceutical just like Stanley Meyer, the guy who created the hydra engine.
They killed him because why it threatened the oil industry. If you get in
the way of the you know, monopoly, Yeah, the monopoly whoever you
want to call them, right the control And that's one last question I wanted
to ask you. But anyway to close that out, if you get in
their way, you're going to get run over. But I want to close
with this question. The people at the top of the food chain, who
I believe there are people much higher than the roth Childs and the rock of
Fellers. I think they're order takers. But do you think these people have
the ability to directly connect and speak with Satan? Because obviously the evil that
is controlling this earth is right, it's biblical. So so have you ever
sat back and thought about how those people who are at the top of the
food chain that you know, are they able to connect with Satan and kind
of take their orders or how do you think all of this works. I
learned about a new family the other day the Wahlburbs in Sweden, they do
and talk and uh, I think that, you know, you know,
they all believe like the King of England believes he comes from Vladim Paler,
who comes from Hercules, who was a creative demon right or Hercules created by
Zeus yep. Uh So I think that they do believe that. And whether
they're talking to the Big Dog or just some of his minions, you know
what I mean, I think because that's usually how it is, is,
oh, do this for us, and it's all about promises. If you
do this for us, then we'll connect you to the big Guy. You've
got to prove yourself first. It's always just like any of the secret societies
and stuff. It's you got to prove your worth and then you then you
get up a level. Then you get closer and closer. Whether they're ever
going to get directly to the Big Guy or not, I don't know,
but I think they they do believe that. I think. I mean,
you look at that ritual they did in front of cerin the other day.
Yeah, it's crazy, doesn't matter what you believe, that's what they believe.
And it's it's like, you know, and if they believe it.
There's a reason, you know, they're the ones suit who seems to be
pulling the strings. And and I'm on with I hate being like blackpil other
negative, but that's why I love Hibbler's attitudes, Like if they were going
to do all this, they would, there's obviously people fighting them and shutting
them down, and I just try to walk that positive path and think that
we can do it. I think there's so many more and more people coming
around all the time, and I think that they are scared and they're on
their last they're really trying to get it going because they they know that once
it's that I can't remember the term, is that once enough of us come
around that you know, once you know, when after so many people saw
the guy run the six minute mile, then everyone was you know, it's
like that thing. Once enough people come around to the idea and to the
power that then you know. And I think that's what like the incubator babies
were they That was probably another reset where they got rid of a bunch of
people and and redid it all. And and that's why they burned down all
the world spares. Was they erase all that to build these they can't.
They can't kill the world, Like you said, only God can do that,
right, But they can. They can nuke an area like New York
or Sure or San Francisco. And then and when you're when you've been raised
in a place like that, like La or New York, with that many
people around you, it's easy to think that it's overpopulated. It's easy to
think that, you know what I mean, it's doom and gloom. When
you've been lucky like me to be raising as much smaller area and been on
so many planes and been all over the world and you see nothing but emptiness,
you know, I mean, just open land for miles. It's like,
you know, there's so much plenty for everybody. You know, there's
but they that's just their game to make get everyone trapped in these cities and
and make them think that it's you know, do them and gloom. Yeah.
And when people when you're trying to wake people up and they say,
oh, the government would never do that, they tried to just say they're
just incompetent. I always tell people to google operations Sea Spray, where they
legitimately sprayed biological agents in the city of San Francisco and the story that's there,
and that was seventy years ago. Imagine what they're doing today, all
those operations. You can look them up that you know, we're just cogs
and ponds and in what they think is their game. Yep, they don't
care. They they You look how they black melons scow over their own family
and relatives and friends. They like some stranger they don't know, they don't
care. You're nothing to them. Yeah, that's part of that division and
that that unholy, unrighteous, that ungodly view that you know, nobody matters
when we all matter. It's not everything matters. We all matter, We're
all here for a reason. That's right, Well done, man, really
really really really great podcast. And uh, I do want to give you
the final word, uh, to address the listeners. I just love everyone
to keep questioning everything and keep an open mind and just don't you know,
take in as much information as you can and use it for positive and do
the best you can. And and you've got to put some faith and trust
in some people. But you've got to have your faith and trust in God
like man will deceive you. And you know God is real. This was
created. You know everyone has their purpose. Just do good. And you
know we could close it out with a little prayer if you wanted to,
please do I'd appreciate that. All right, we pray to the Most High
God, thank you for this podcast, and thank you for everyone in the
whole world. And we hope that you can give everyone the strength of finding
themselves to keep fighting the good fight and not let the wicked ones of this
world trick us and to do us harm. And we hope that you could
give the wicked ones of this world to strength to change their heart and to
change their path. And we just want to bless all those that need food,
to give them food and shelter, to give them shelter, and just
bless the world to not go down the way that some of these evil ones
wanted to go down. And we say this in your name, Yeshua Jesus,
Amen Amen. Thank you so much, brother. I appreciate that.
And if you'd like to reach out to Eric, his email address will be
in the show notes. It's mohammash underscore one at yahoo dot com. Again,
it'll be in the show notes. Don't feel like you have to write
it down and I'll have it. Looks like about twenty two links in the
show notes everything from my lunch break to the land of Kem and even I
did find out that zacharias stitching one of his book The Twelfth Planet, that
I found on the internet archive while we were chatting. So take the time
out and do some research, and again, share the podcast with your friends
and your family, and let's spread the truth. And God bless everyone.
As this podcast is released, it's officially twenty twenty four. It should make
for an interesting year. Again, Eric, thank you so much for your
time. For Eric, I'm George. God bless everyone. Keep your head
on a swivel. And until we meet again, my friends, we will
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