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How you doing out there? It's
me Tigger and Dark Wayne Duck. It's

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me Bunkers keep Bobcat. All right, y'all, is it rate your favorite

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firefly you desire? Hold old knock
Gud. My name is Jim Cummings and

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welcome to tune Gin. Ladies and
gentlemen, Welcome back to tuned In with

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Jim Comings today. Today, I
hope you're sitting down because we're copping a

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squad. We have none other than
the world famous Chris Judge. He is

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here. He has flown in on
his tilt machine. And yes he is

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the god of war, so please
don't mess with him. Christopher Judge God,

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come on down. Well, welcome
man. It's great to have you.

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We're neighbors, but other than that, we have nothing in common.

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Well you know we have to go
around the world actually say, well,

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that's that is true. Yeah,
but we probably live about five miles apart.

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Yea, I'm up here. One
of my favorite golf courses is right

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on the corner. Oh okay,
life is good. Life is good.

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Well, now I know what you're
doing after the after the show. You

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won't be home for dinner never never, Okay, you touching that one.

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But I'm glad you're here. I'm
glad you're here. No, there was

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nothing, there was nothing, There
was no conspiracy there. I just yeah,

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dinner. Oh damn, well,
I'll eat it for you. How

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do you stay so big not eating? You know? I honestly I don't

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know. I really don't know.
It's I've got into this fasting deals bosting

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thing, so I fast sixteen hours
of the day and I can eat eight

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hours of the day and just my
body really likes it. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, well good for you.
Yeah, well you're doing it.

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Man. Oh thank you look great. That's astonishing. I'm going to try

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that. It wouldn't matter if I
did. Well, listen, some congratulations

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are in order to you, young
man. I'll tell you what I saw

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you over there man handling al pacino. That that's wrong with that? Well,

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you know, I've got you know, I've always watched award shows and

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go so corny, like why would
you be like so excited, like you

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know you're there, what Peter whatever. But there's like legendary people who've always

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been legendary, who you've always wanted
to meet, regardless of the context.

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And uh, it was just one
of those moments where I just got that's

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awful. Sure well you you yeah, well you were entitled the greatest thing.

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And he's so humble and kind,
funny, and afterwards, his son's

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a big gamer and that's how they
got him their son. Basically, Dad,

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you have to do Oh wow,
that's cool. And so afterwards he

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says, Christopher, Christopher, would
you mind taking a picture with me and

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my boy? Would I mind?
Maybe? So we go back and I

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stand in between he and his son, and his son is shaking like a

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leaf, and uh, he leans, he leans into my chest. My

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favorite actor. Oh and I looked
at your Ted's al Pacino. Yeah,

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and then Al says, I told
you he's a big fat That's cool.

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That's cool, that's something serious.
Yeah, that was I just made that

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up. Wow, he's gonna be
using that. You get that on your

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next that's good stuff. What's your
favorite Patina I roll? Oh god,

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you know, there isn't one.
It's it's it's it's a work of art,

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like his entire career. It's uh, you know, we'd be here

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all day, you know. Yeah, his ability to make every character so

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human and so relatable, and so
it's it's it's a gift. I mean,

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it's not a gift. It's hard
work. Yeah, yeah, it's

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hard work. And you know,
he's he's perfected, and he's not afraid

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to take risks and chances, and
you know, so, I mean he's

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he's kind of the pinnacle. Yeah, that's for sure. He did a

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movie with with Gene Hackman that I
thought was very underrated, and it's like

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thirty years ago. I cannot,
for the life me remember it, but

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I remember being so impressed because I
mean, he played someone who was kind

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of like slow, you know,
and and it was so the opposite of

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this sharp witted Michael Corleone. And
he went from Master of the Universe to

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oh, well, you know,
you know, almost like a farm hand.

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Yeah, something like that. And
I I thought, and they were

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both as each one as believable as
can be. Yes, there you go.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, did
you google that or did you google

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that? Yes? I did not
know that. Yeah, it's pretty good.

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Yeah. So yeah, he's got
the range. Yeah, we're not

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worried about how Yeah, you know, but that's the thing about that.

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I think I think everyone has a
tremendous range in them. But it's just

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the fear of what you'll be perceived
as, or the fear of if you

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go too far or hurt your career, the fear of you know, and

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so that's I think one of the
levels of performing is being able to perform

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without fear, and then that's when
you do great work. That's true.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of like a tenant in

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the business, isn't it. You
have to go out there and no risk,

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no reward, That's right, I
would think. I mean it's true.

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I mean it sounds good in premise, but you know, we've been

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on sets, you know, a
lot of the times that is not afforded

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to you until you're over a certain
number on the call sheet, you know,

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then you're, hey, let it
fly, you know. But you

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know when you're not, let's just
read the lines like you know. Yeah,

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so that's why I do voice over. Then nobody they can't they can't

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stop me too late, I said
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If it was good, if it
was good the writer wrote it.

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If it was bad, shut the
hell up redo it again. Yeah.

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So yeah, it all comes out
in the wash, as it does.

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Yeah, So what is the what
are the plans for for cradles now that

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he's king of the world again.
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lot of stuff in the mill we
can't talk about. Oh God, here

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we go. You know, we
can't talk about it. But you know,

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it's it's interesting. There's really no
firm decisions have been made yet.

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You know, there's a world of
possibilities. Now, how do you whittle

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that down to what you're gonna do? You know? And sometimes that process

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takes a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. They have

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to convince each other. There's a
lot of cooks in that kitchen. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, you're
That's a good way to put it.

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That's a good way to put it. Well, Chris, you brought

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up you brought up hard work,
and something that we haven't talked about yet

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on this show is actually I wanted
to ask you, Jim, how would

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you compare yourself when you first got
into voice acting to now. Have you

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felt growth? Is it just a
natural thing? And could you talk a

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bit about that, like, well, yeah, I definitely have felt a

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lot of growth. I was I
was astonished, I mean, you know,

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knock on what I that I got
my first job and what was your

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Well, no, it was a
little show called Dumbo Circus and it was

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on this brand new thing that came
out with it was called cable TV.

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Brand new. And because back in
the day we had like four channels,

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PBS and the other three, and
Disney Channel just came out on the cable

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and they said, well, you
know, let's let's bring back these.

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They had a show on there,
oddly enough, called Welcome to Pooh Corner.

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This is before my time is Pooh. I wasn't in business, but

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they were doing Dumbo again and it
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big people, all sorts of you
know, in costumes walking around and and

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they needed a character to play Timothy
the mouse from Dumbo. Dumbo Circus,

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come on, tell them what you
know? Whatever? You know that little

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guy and uh, but they couldn't
have, like, even if it was

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a little person, they couldn't have
a four foot mouse. So they made

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him a lion. And so I
was a little bit different because there's a

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lot of four foot lions out there
that's more a lible. And so so

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I auditioned for it and I got
the very I mean very first job I

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ever auditioned for Wow. And the
good news was for me was that they

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did sixty five episodes and it took
a year and a half. So and

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I didn't even have an agent.
I just heard about it. Yeah,

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sixty five and we did two a
week. So I was making like four

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hundred bucks four fifty at the video
depot. Now all of a sudden,

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I'm making like eight hundred and I
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And I'm working four hours a day, you know, because we did

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two shows in one day, and
I said, well, I'm doing this,

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you know. And then I got
an agent through through that experience,

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and it gave me a year,
year and a half cushion to you know

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where I didn't have to worry.
So I'd auditioned here, an audition there.

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And then at that point I had
passed X amount of auditions, and

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I was doing radio commercials and I
was doing TV commercials and then you know

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the occasional movie trailer, and you
know, one thing led to another,

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and I finally had an agent.
That always helps, you know, And

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I've never had to have a break. For thirty nine, It'll be forty

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years next year, whoa, So
yeah, longevity. Yeah, And I

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was only eleven when I started.
Now, how did you even come to

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it? Always interests me how people
go, I want to do this?

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So what led you? Oh?
Well, that's an easy one for me.

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I've said it before. I was
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watching the Jack Benny program. He
was on TV and uh he had mel

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Blanc, the original vo monster cartoon
guy. He was on there and he

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was doing a bit ce ce cy, you know, he was wearing a

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sombrero and this and that. And
my dad goes, you say this bastard.

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I go yeah, and he goes, that's you know what he does?

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And I go no. He goes, you know what you get up

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on Saturday morning? You're watching Bugs
Bunny and the Daffy and the Tasmania and

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then the little Sylvester. I go, yeah, he goes, that's him.

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I go, what do you mean
that's him? He goes, Wow,

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he does all the voices. And
I went, I'm doing that,

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well, you know, and I
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the corner for being weird, right, right, so everybody likes him,

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right, I want to be him. So I grew up and now I

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got to be him. Well,
now I get to hang out with you.

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It's awesome. That's awesome. What
about you, Chris, when did

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you Because you started out life playing
football, you know, played college,

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played proprity. I believe he was
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for me that was just always a
means to an end because when I

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was high school, Uh, we
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the Rams because my mom had bought
her first Volkswagen for Merlin Olsen. Oh

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yeah, and so we watched the
Rams religiously. So Merlin Olson was one

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of the first football players to actually
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well, because I hate it.
I hated it. And the only thing

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that was tolerable tolerable about it for
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so I had an audience. That's
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from I remember. I remember when
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M hmm, Cicely Tyson, Paul, Yeah, Paul wentfield and Sounder

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was about, uh, this kid
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best friend is his dog, Sounder. You know, dad comes back,

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but Sounder gets killed, and I
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I couldn't. Man, I was
like, and that came from that.

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I want to do that. I
want to do that, and it just

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it never changed. Yeah, because
you reach out, you're touching the people.

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Yeah, you're breaking hearts, put
smiles on faces. That's right,

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that's right. And you know,
sometimes it gets lost on us that because

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you know, I don't know if
it still happens to you or if it

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ever happened to you. But sometimes
some days it's just crazy shit goes on.

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You go, what a what a
fucking ridiculous way to make a living?

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Yeah? Yeah, wow that could
you kind of get into the bubble

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and you you lose sight of some
of the stuff mean stuff to people,

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you know, letting you into someone's
letting people letting you into their home.

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If you're like a series or cartoon
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or whatever basis, it is is
an incredibly personal thing. You know.

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So these things that we do and
that are recorded and people allow into their

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homes, it's incredibly intimate and it
really meet they form connections that that are

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meaningful. Yeah, you're right about
that. That's a very good insight.

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Yeah, yeah, I've you know, I guess it's mostly with Winnie the

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Pooh uh and somewhat extend Tigger two. But but it's that that heartfelt stuff

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and if people lock onto it,
especially at an early age, yes,

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you know, it's the earlier you
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like being a family member, you
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you must have had this occur because
I think the first person I uh ever

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heard say that it was Sonny and
Cherre had that show, the Sonny's Share

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Show, and people come up to
him and he would be any any place,

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you know, an elevator or something, Sonny, Hey, how you

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doing? My man? Look at
you all? Get over here you and

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he's this and that and the other
thing, and he says and then he

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could realize that the person just went, wait a minute, I don't know

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this guy. He doesn't know me. I just see him on TV a

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lot. I feel like he's my
cousin or my uncle and he's looking at

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me like, why the hell are
you hugging on me in an elevator?

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And uh. And it's that instant
familiarity, absolutely, you know, and

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if it's a bond, but it's
it's kind of one way unless you go

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to comic Con or something like that
and everything, then everybody's going, hey,

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you know, then it's kind of
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you. So so yeah, I
I hear you. That's that. Well,

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that's it's a little it's a little
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know, it is you know,
all those people just touching all their lives.

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Yeah, because I've had situations where
people say, you got me through

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this horrible thing, this mess or
whatever, and they play like a Winnie

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the Poo song in there they can
get through it, right, Yeah,

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Tilk was. It was very interesting.

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It was a very interesting character.
Think you yeah, I mean he wasn't

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he wasn't an he wasn't a vulcan. He wasn't you know, the standard

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didn't have any horns. Well,
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I don't think people know. I
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originally had like long ear lobes,
right ear lobes. He had the oh

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crap, now I forgot the name
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the Egyptian long beard thing at that

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and what they realized was, well, if tealcat it, we have to

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put it on all the Jaffa,
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that took about two hours, so
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they didn't want to be spending an
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JAFA episodes were always the big ones, so there'd be one hundred Jafa.

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So it just became you have to
pair this down. How about let's just

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do this? Yes, how about
golden eyeliner? Yeah, there you go?

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Perfect. Yeah. Did you have
any input in how that character looked

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her, any of the prosthetics or
anything like that. Well, the thing

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that I wanted I wanted him to
have an almost air of androgyny and also

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the sense that he was almost a
newborn because he's going to this new situation

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where he knows nothing. And it's
not because he's wild by. He's wild

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by Like, Wow, these people
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he's been around, this is like
they don't have the wheel, you know,

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how do they exist? You know? So all credit to Brad and

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Jonathan because we had really at length
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and they were so the audition.
They really weren't certain what they were looking

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for, but a sci fi to
have an alien. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, So I remember when we
were doing the screen tests. There were

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three people there for Carter, there
were three people there for Daniel Jackson,

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there were three people there for General
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There were white tulks, there were
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black tulks. And our first screen
test was for MGM. So they're calling

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out the names of the people who
won't be going on to the showtime screen

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test. And when it was all
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I was the only talk left.
Oh, there you go. So Brad

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came up to me and said,
just do it like that and it's yours.

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And I still to this day teach
them about well part of the excitement

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of getting apart in anticipation but not
knowing. Lad, you ruined it for

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me. It was a hell of
a good really it was. It may

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maybe we all have get ruination like
that. And you guys went on to

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do that for how many years?
Seasons? Ten seasons? Seasons? Yeah,

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that's that's changed. Yeah, it
was. We were in a weird,

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weird good position. Yeah. We
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with, so we knew that we
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so we didn't have to make these
huge leaps in character. Oh you had

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two seasons, I mean twenty two
episode seasons. Yeah, and then the

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night the pilot aired, it was
at that time the biggest thing that ever

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been on cable. Wow, got
more viewers than the Tyson Tyson was not

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Tyson Holyfield, Tyson Tyson anybody,
Yeah, because that they were all they

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were all big. Yeah. So
the next day we got three more seasons,

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so we knew we're gonna go at
least five. That was amazing because

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they never gave me that many an
amazing, right, gentlemen. Yeah,

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so you could take your time developingships. Boy, nothing like nothing like being

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paid to get better and come more
comfortable and ka ching, let's don't forget

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ka ching. Wow. Oh God
bless you. That's good. And one

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thing led to another and you've done
You've done a lot of cool stuff.

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Okay, audience out there, and
I'm sure they're listening because they're live,

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like I was saying up here,
and I always look at Brandon. I

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was watching a movie. It was
a three part, three trilogy movie,

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and I think Christian Bale was in
it. Oh yeah, he got and

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he was he was Batman and he
was down there and he was doing doing

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this and doing that, and all
of a sudden, this familiar face comes

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up and puts the puts the quietus
on him, trying to kick Chris Batman's

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ass, and uh. And I
was like wait and then you you were

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like, but that's a that ain't
bad. That's not bad. You know,

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that ain't bad. I call it
eight weeks of work for forty seven

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seconds of screen time. Wow,
but the checks clear. Yeah yeah,

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but that was you know we're talking
about like the Paccino moment. Yeah.

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Somehow I negotiated for a trailer,
and the trailers are called the oh a

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trailer. Yeah, I was thinking
of movies. Trailer, am I gotcha?

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So in this circus of trailers,
there's Bail Yeah yeah, there's Hathaway,

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Yes, yes, there's Morgan Freeman
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like what Yeah, yeah, there's
a big What am I doing here?

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like having a ball I reckon Hardy Yeah,

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yeah, it was a strange thing
because Hardy really doesn't break character,

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so I had never really worked with
and you know, I hesitate to use

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method because for everyone that's not actually
what it is. But the I remember

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going to wardrobe and it was this
big deal, like why are all these

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producers here? Like it was just
wardrobe. So my original wardrobe I had

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on a full kind of bikers outfit, all the pat like the the kind

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of skeleton of padding that they were
underneath to help lesson injuries, and then

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seven layers on top of it.
So I looked massive, but you were

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cold either. Yeah, I was
naked under everything. Now I'm not sure

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why that matters. Uh So I
come out and immediately see all the heads

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turn and then I did something wrong, So hey, Chris, can you

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take off two of the layers?
So oh yeah, you want long story

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shore I ended up just weren't one
layer of clothing, and but still I

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was so much bigger than Tom.
Basically everything I did. I think there's

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one scene right next to him where
my arm is in it. M that's

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it. Everything else with me with
Tom was cut. Most of my scenes

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were Tom, so yeah, it
was, but still it was and you

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know at that point, you know, Bail had had this reputation for you

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know, being he was so cool
and so and I had a little accident

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on set and Bail was the first
one they ever seeing him. I was

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okay, hey, and it was
he was a lovely dude. But one

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of the things, like, so, I was in stunt rehearsal for a

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week for that one scene and Christian
and Joe couldn't because they were shooting other

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stuff. So I watched Christian on
the day watch his double do it twice

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and it was complicated. M all
right, I got it, let's go.

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And he did it first take,
first take, No, that was

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it, and that's the one they
used. You didn't do it a couple

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of times. Well, we had
to do it a couple of times.

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In that take, Joe was supposed
to punch me and it was a big,

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huge miss for where the camera was. So the sun coordinator comes and

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says, Joe, you gotta sell
the punch, and he walks away.

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And when you tell an actor who
doesn't have a lot of fight choreo experience,

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you got to sell the punch,
that means closer. Yeah, yeah,

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I would think so. And it's
never about being closer is just knowing

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what cameras are on you, what
angle you got to be at. In

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my mind, so I'm gonna get
hit. And then Joe punched me right

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in the eye and my eyes starts
spurting blood and oh crist oh man.

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And because my head was on the
ground, so there was nowhere for me

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to go. And poor Joe.
He felt Joseph ordon Lea, he felt

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so bad. I was like,
no, no, no, it's my

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eyes. And so here's where you
know, you're pecking order in the world.

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So we were filming at the old
bridge that they tore down, and

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I like, that's where Gotam was
built. And where was it the you

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know, the third Street bridge that
they tore down. I think we were

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the last ones to use the nod
one, but of course they couldn't keep

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that from the fans. So there's
hundreds of people surrounding so over the radio

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here we need an ambulance. Chris
is hurt. So the ambulance gets there

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and they make this big deal of
putting me on the gurney, but the

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actual ambulance is through this throng.
Oh perfect, So as I'm going through

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like okay, we're getting christ I
hear someone go, oh thank god,

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we thought he meant Chris Bale.
You could hear a collective sigh from hundreds

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of people like, oh god,
but that that'll keep you, that'll keep

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your humble? Yes it will,
but it could have been a lot worse.

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Oh Jesus, man, but what
and give up show bab Exactly right,

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exactly, that's crazy, man.
I wanted to bring it around to

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voice work. You done obviously a
lot of voice work is well not really?

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Yeah, well really do you remember
your first voice? Well, that's

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crazy. He's got these great pipes. You know something. You know,

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I'm and I always want to because
it always comes off weird when I say

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it. I always say I'm not
a voice actor, Like that's a that's

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a separate talent. That's not just
having a good voice. Being able to

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craft these characters. Yeah, out
of basically nothing, you create characters.

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It's not just about being able to
talk deep, you know what I mean?

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So I I and I No,
I agree you're right that I'm being

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I'm like, no, I'm saying
I bow down because I don't possess that

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ability, you know what I mean? Wow, that's pretty good over here.

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But I know what you're saying.
Well, you know, my buddy

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jessar Now has a good way of
putting. He goes, when it comes

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to being a voice actor, it's
a small V, but it's a capital

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A. You know. So because
you know people, you know, there's

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people that are on the internet.
And there was a guy maybe eight or

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nine years ago, I don't know, and he goes, I'm gonna sit

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here and do all Jim Cummings's voices. I have to tear the flamps in

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the night. And he went all
the way down you know, dark wing

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and pooh and take her and and
I was like, okay, well,

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okay, okay, and he couldn't
but he couldn't act. What if you

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threw him in the pool? You
know, and you know it's just just

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still it's but it's all your but
no, it's but it's it's true,

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you know. I mean that's just
doing an impression. Okay, Well can

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you can you cry? Can you
are? You? Can you can you

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bounce? I don't know. You
know, you gotta do a lot.

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You gotta do what that character would
do, and you have to react the

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way that character would react like I
do dark Wing Duck just recently, and

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and his reaction is not going to
be the same as Tiggers or you know.

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I mean, it's just that simple. There. There, they're characters

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there. I'm basically just a character
actor that has a bunch of voices.

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You know, I'm not you know, but no Shakespeare over here. But

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that's okay, Well that's a whole
another, that's a whole another Chris.

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But I don't so for me,
everything has to be visceral. M but

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what you guys do, there can
be nothing there, and generally there is

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is It's never like yeah, your
performance, oh yeah, yeah, so

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ill on your head. I guess
I don't. I don't possess. Hence

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I've never auditioned before anything animated and
gotten it. What about Wacky Races?

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You did Wacky Races with Billy Wes, Tom Kenny my partner. I did

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it, Mike Lisa, the showrunner
is my partner. But the battle to

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have me be one of the leads
was like, who's this guy? And

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then you know, Michael was like, well he's you know, didn't mean

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ship in the animation world, you
know, So it was like a battle.

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Yeah, Well, I don't think
it means Yeah, I don't think

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it means squad anyway in the animation. That's in fact, buddy mine.

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Charlie Adler first pointed this out a
long time ago, and I never thought

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of it, but he said,
uh, it doesn't matter what you did

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last week, it doesn't matter what
you did this morning. You have a

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fresh audition. You're going to this
place in Burbank called the Voicecaster. And

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now you can't go in and get
I mean, you know, get a

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get a bunch of I don't know, Chevrolet commercials because you did ever Ready

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battery commercial last week. No,
don't you understand I did the ever Ready

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batter the okay, right, well
here you want to sell some Chevyes because

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that's what's up. Now, that's
and I just the whole I just I

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can't wrap my head around you know
what I mean? And like there's no

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like I need about fifteen minutes more. Yeah, what are you talking about?

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You're dead, you're you know you're
here, Yeah, you're done.

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Yeah, So I yeah, it's
it's just and I so I have done

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animated stuff, but I would always
record by myself, not because I was

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elitist. I was afraid. I
was afraid to be in the group records.

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So what was that experience like when
you were with such legends like Billy

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West was on the show, like
Tom Kenny, fucking terrifying and coming from

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him, you know, it's like
wait what now? You know? Yeah,

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I know who everyone in the room
was. And I'm the only dude

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that's not a legendary Boys person.
You know. I know you were with

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Phil Lamar Yeah yeah, yeah,
I like him, like we've become friends.

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But yeah, one of my actors, man, and I was telling

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him, I was saying this earlier. One of my favorite cartoons growing up

407
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:21.599
was Hong Kong Fu. Yeah yeah, so played by Scatman Brothers. You

408
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.119
know him from the Shining Yes,
but you know, I was legendary.

409
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:31.200
He was a legendary performer and one
of the things he did was Hong Kong

410
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:36.759
Fu. And I was Saturday morning, brother, up, we were at

411
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.799
eight in the morning. That's we
were watching Hong Kong That's right. Uh.

412
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:49.200
And so when Scatman Passionate brought back
Phil is voice, right, So

413
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.519
every time I see him, I
wondn't even say hi. I'll just say

414
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:59.039
come on man, yeah, like
man, oh, Chris is good to

415
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:06.880
see your baby. That's cool,
that's good stuff. Yeah, meeting meeting

416
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:15.880
your idols, right, but it
is just such. And so to get

417
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:22.319
to your question, uh, I
made it about my work schedule that I

418
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:27.599
couldn't ever ah, oh, there
you go. And and the truth of

419
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.440
it was, I was terrified.
So I tried to do this with wacky

420
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:35.519
races. Well thank god, wait
when nobody's going to see this, But

421
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:40.000
unfortunately Mike, my writing and producing
partner, he knows my schedule. Oh,

422
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:46.279
so back out of it. So
the first record, I literally sweated

423
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:51.400
through my clothes. I was dripping. I was so scared. I can't

424
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:54.759
imagine that. I was terrified.
And then you know, you know Tom,

425
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.720
you know, you know everybody.
They're just going off on and just

426
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:07.119
voices and yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all I got. Well that's

427
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.800
probably all you made it, so
you golden. It was the one time

428
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.119
that I actually got out of my
head and actually did like a character voice.

429
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.559
And I would probably be the last
time because it just sounds so weird.

430
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.360
I don't know. Well, Don
la Fontaine only had that one voice,

431
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.719
but he made Yeah, I worried
about him. I got rest is

432
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:34.760
soul. But yeah, my first
and this was just luck. I happened

433
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:39.360
to out of college being modeling for
Nike, and the designers heard my voice.

434
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:45.559
And this was Nike was bankrupt.
They were bankrupt, and they had

435
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:51.039
gotten the bounce back ended up doing
okay, wait, worried about them,

436
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:57.719
and the designer said, I love
your voice. So she called some of

437
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:02.159
the other designers in and they sent
me right there down the street to the

438
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:07.920
recording studio where they were recording this
thing. And it was for the Air

439
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:12.719
Revolution. Oh, the Air Revolution
by Nike. Sure, gravity is just

440
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.199
a game. Oh. It was
my first job and then I didn't do

441
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:21.599
another one for twenty five years.
I hope the resildts were good. Well,

442
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.599
let me tell you. Yeah.
I had no idea. Yeah,

443
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:29.599
but I also had no idea about
the business. So I thought this is

444
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.880
the way it is. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. People are talking about

445
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:37.800
it's a struggle. Yeah yeah,
yeah, I remember thinking the same thing.

446
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.199
I had something similar like that.
I like I said with that first

447
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:44.679
up. But I ran into a
guy in San Diego when I first started

448
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.119
out, and maybe everybody, maybe
people out there are going to remember this,

449
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:52.880
but he he was vo guy and
he was probably about fifty years old

450
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:57.880
then, and he said that,
well, I said, so what are

451
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.880
you doing? I'm trying to break
in and you know this? And he

452
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:02.559
said, well do you do you
watch TV? And I go yeah,

453
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:07.480
I goes if I said to you, ok e double l oh double good

454
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.960
Kells? Best do you? And
I said that's you and he goes yeah,

455
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:16.239
And that's on every guy, I
don't know, Cheerios commercial and everything,

456
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:21.119
I mean Kelloggs and he goes yeah. And I have a really nice

457
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:31.639
house. Now can I please say
some assembly required? Give me a tagline

458
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:37.119
something like that. And then Michael
Bell is a friend of mine. He's

459
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:42.280
good old Michael Bell. And he
was the guy I'll test your collective memory

460
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.559
out there again. But it was
he was the guy that went on and

461
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:53.159
said butter, butter, freaking butter. And and that was on Park or

462
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:58.480
something. It's not Park, what
is it? Butter? Yeah, and

463
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.760
it was that was it. And
I said, I hate you. You

464
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:07.519
know, I'm over here doing books
on tape and you know what, you

465
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.800
know, getting fifty bucks you know, oh man, But yeah, it's

466
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.360
that's that's the business, right,
yeah, truly the business of show.

467
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:24.840
Yeah. Yeah. The I was
doing action man in Vancouver, and uh,

468
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:30.119
well there were cast wasn't you know? The director said, no,

469
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:35.760
he's not going to be here anymore. That's something happened. Yeah, he

470
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.679
became the voice of ABC. Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah, well I

471
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:45.280
know that happened to Dorian Herewood.
He did rather well with that NBC.

472
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.920
Yeah, coming up on NBC the
voice of ABC. Who was that?

473
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:54.159
I forgot what his name was,
Jernie Anderson. No, I think he

474
00:37:54.280 --> 00:38:00.000
was envy because this was this was
back in a long time, ninety two

475
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.119
thousands. Oh, okay, so
it's been well. Yeah, well,

476
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.920
wherever he is, we're not worried
about him. He's doing all right.

477
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:14.920
Yeah. I do have a funny, hopefully funny story. I was at

478
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:19.559
a place called Buzzies and this is
a long time ago, and uh,

479
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:21.679
I went to bathroom, had to
go to bathroom. I was doing some

480
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.000
spot it doesn't matter, and I
hear from uh and I'm washing my hand

481
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:32.280
and I hear in the stall this
is c n N no. Wait,

482
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:43.480
this is c N no. That's
not good. This is c n N

483
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:49.960
yes. And James Earl Jones comes
walking out and it gives me little I

484
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.719
got goosebumps. Gebump, Remember James. Yeah, I don't think I've ever

485
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:59.159
told that story. I'd forgotten that
one. He's a wonderful, wonderful cat.

486
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.639
Oh yeah. One of my early
jobs. He had a show called

487
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.440
Gabriel's Fire on ABC. So one
of my early jobs was I played a

488
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:14.039
hit man. I had no idea
about acting. You know, you need

489
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:16.719
a guy, you know, pretty
much. That's what it was back then.

490
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.840
That's what like black dudes auditioned for. Oh there you go, Robert,

491
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:27.400
gang member, never do well,
whatever it was. And now you

492
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:31.079
start as a guy who's actually white. And I don't mean that, I

493
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:35.480
don't mean it looks like me,
but you know, only because he's covered

494
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.920
in the ashes of the family he
killed. Well, that details have to

495
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:46.800
anybody. And I'm doing this thing. I'm get on the ground, you

496
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:53.480
know, you know that that like, oh yes, and so break for

497
00:39:53.559 --> 00:40:01.559
lunch and I'm feeling good. I'm
feeling good. So do Chris. Uh,

498
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.320
mister Jones would like you to join
him for lunch? Wait, I

499
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:15.559
was like, what's always sat there? And he doesn't have that big old

500
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:21.239
he's actually very quiet. And he
said, you know, you know a

501
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.440
lot of people don't really kind of. So I'm gonna give you a piece

502
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:35.320
of advice. Never move unless you
have to. And that's that's buying the

503
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:39.000
first commandment for me. That's cool. I never move unless I have to.

504
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:43.159
Well, he would know, you
know, and you know it's worked

505
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.480
out. Okay, Wow, jeez, that's cool. Ibou he told that

506
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:51.400
to David Prowse. He goes,
no, don't move, you know,

507
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:59.000
stand there with that stupid you know. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah,

508
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.719
but mister Jones was just I mean
really, I mean, I owe my

509
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:08.159
career to that advice. That's really
good. Wow. You guys writing this

510
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.239
down out there right. Look,
I'm looking at the wrong thing. You're

511
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.119
writing that down. Okay, don't
move unless you have to. Oh,

512
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:22.119
probably me there you go. You
know I would see you performances and I'd

513
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:27.719
do them in the mirror. Mm
hm. That's I grew up in a

514
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:34.400
really weird little city, well in
Texas or no, in California, in

515
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.119
the South Bay, which kind of
torrents were down the beach, spells very

516
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:50.119
that area and one high school at
the same time, uh, Forest Whitaker,

517
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:59.800
Quentin Tarantino, Treece Rushian and yeah, okay, we all lived in

518
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:05.119
this neighborhood. Damon. Of course
little brother was my brother's best friend.

519
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.519
We all came from like a four
block radius. Oh cheerz all my neighbors

520
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:20.519
were like hit many Damn. I
used to walk to Junior High with Quinton

521
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:25.400
and we the only thing we had
in Commons. Wanted to be in show

522
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.119
business and people would laugh at us. Wow. People were just like,

523
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:35.079
you guys are idiots. You know. People where we came from, they

524
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:39.800
were athletes. Yeah you know that. It wasn't well that's okay, you

525
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:44.000
got you can get a two front, you know, that's right. So

526
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:49.239
yeah, it's uh, this group, we were the only ones that didn't

527
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.440
think we were weird. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah

528
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:59.079
yeah. I can remember the first
I had a teacher like that that and

529
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.199
it was weird beca because she used
to be a nun and I went to

530
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:06.960
a Catholic high school and her name
was Miss Baker, and she said something

531
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.719
about, well, you know,
the nuns are gonna they're they're kind of

532
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.920
tough, and we go who but
miss Baker, you can't say that.

533
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.440
She goes no, it's okay,
I used to be when I quit WHOA

534
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.119
okay, but she was the first
one that didn't think I was weirdo,

535
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:28.079
I was crazy. She thought,
No, he's just different. It's okay,

536
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:32.400
he's not really all that, you
know, because maybe he can do

537
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:37.719
something with this probably but you never
know, you know, don't don't bet

538
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:43.639
on him, but he could happen, right, so you know, we'll

539
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.639
take that, right, we'll take
it. I just want to jump back

540
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.719
quickly to what's the best advice you've
ever got in your career? Yeah?

541
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:54.599
Yeah, don't be a mime?
So no, uh, you know,

542
00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.320
I've kind of adapted it over the
years into a phrase, Instincts are the

543
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.119
best snakes, you know, and
if because if you think you know in

544
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:08.480
your head and I don't really think
that much because that doesn't sound right.

545
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:13.800
But what I mean is I really
just go from God, you know.

546
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.000
And I will like to read things
one or two times ahead of time because,

547
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:20.079
as you know, in VO,
you don't have to memorize them,

548
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:22.960
you know, thank you Jesus,
because my memory is terrible. But I

549
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:28.119
think that's why I'm a good ad
liver, because I wasn't because I was

550
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.840
in a million places as a kid, you know, on on on a

551
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:35.760
stage and uh, and I wasn't
good at memorizing, so I'd remember and

552
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:37.559
I'd be in the scene and I
go, oh, Jesus, what,

553
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:42.000
well, I'll just say this,
and and it kind of worked. So,

554
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.039
you know, my that's where it
came from. Instincts are the best

555
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:50.360
stinks. And you know, I've
had it said to me that, you

556
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.079
know, well, if you think
it's funny and you think, well that's

557
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:58.480
not bad, probably you're probably not
the only guy, probably not the only

558
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.400
person that's going to think that.
So give it a shot, especially especially

559
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:07.719
uh in you know recording. I
mean it's it was at the time it

560
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.079
was just tape. Now it's not
even tape. You don't even have to

561
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:15.159
rewind and cut it, right,
you just hit delete next. So yeah,

562
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:19.199
instincts are the best things. Now
how long did it take you though,

563
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:23.760
too? Did you always from the
beginning just trust your gut or did

564
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:29.039
you try to please who you were
maybe auditioning for or yeah, a little

565
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.519
of both. Yeah, but it
was always trust my gut. Because I

566
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:37.320
use an example that I did a
cartoon called tail Spend long time ago,

567
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:42.159
maybe late eighties, and I was
a pirate and at the time, oh,

568
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.920
the pirates were from Megland or Scotland
or Ireland. There were always something.

569
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:50.400
But I thought that this guy,
I thought it would be cool if

570
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:53.039
he was from the Caribbean. You
know, I'm not like Pirates of the

571
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:58.159
Caribbean that was that was but it
was a guy I think it was from

572
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:04.039
and I put in like this,
and he was amazing and his name was

573
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:08.360
Don Carnage and the art you know, and everybody went, Okay, well

574
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:13.679
that's weird, you know. So
I got the job. Well yeah,

575
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:16.400
and it was cool and and and
it was not you know because at the

576
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:22.719
time, you know, the typical
you know, uh uh Cockney, they

577
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.880
were all they were all pirates for
Cockney. I don't know, it's it's

578
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:30.519
England's fault for having all those people. But yeah, so you know everything

579
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:35.440
that like I say, you know, you break the break through the expectation.

580
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.079
Yeah, and and and well that's
not what I was waiting for,

581
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:44.559
but I like it, like yeah, it's it really is, I think,

582
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:49.639
the best way to be, but
not always the best way to get

583
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.599
a job. Yeah, well that's
true. It's because it's worked. It's

584
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:58.599
kind of worked both ways for me. Yeah sure, I mean, because

585
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:04.920
I've always tried to especially play when
I would audition for black athletes. I

586
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.840
tried to play him exactly the opposite
of how they were written, because they

587
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:15.360
were written so badly. And well, that's a good idea, and sometimes

588
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:19.079
it takes me really far down the
road. The other times, you know,

589
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.199
it would be you know, I
don't want to say any names.

590
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:29.320
Betty Thomas my agent, and said, don't ever have him auditioned for me

591
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:36.199
ever again? Wow? Okay,
And it was And then I saw and

592
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:43.679
I don't want to say the movie
Plato Nash, I saw who got the

593
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.719
role, and God blessed me his
friend of mine. But it was exactly

594
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:50.760
how they wrote it and which and
he was fine, he was great,

595
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:57.079
But it wasn't how I ever wanted
to portray myself, which is a hell

596
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:58.880
of a lot easier to do when
you have a job, because I had

597
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.280
a job at the time, So
you can do that because you don't need

598
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:06.880
this job to eat. Yeah,
yeah, that helps, so it but

599
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.679
yeah, I mean, just wow, And the thing is all I did

600
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:17.159
was make this dude smarter. She
was so offended by that that you know,

601
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:23.000
I don't yeah, yeah, yeah, what do you know. I'm

602
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:31.440
past making enemies and yeah. Yeah, yeah, well he'll splatter spread it

603
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:37.119
all over the place. But I
mean I was just so like and I

604
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.079
had it all memory. I was
off book, you know. Yeah,

605
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:47.480
and for her to be that offended
because I wouldn't like, hey, man,

606
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:51.280
what you doing over it? No? No, I'm just not going

607
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:57.320
well at all, you know.
So yeah, yeah, well you know

608
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.559
I always say you can't play chess
with the chimp. Now you have to

609
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:06.840
cut it. Yeah, I mean
you know, it wastes your time and

610
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:14.679
it misses off the chimp. Absolutely, what are you gonna do? I'm

611
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:20.440
coming away with a wealth of nuggets
and going to steal. But it's true.

612
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:30.159
It's true. Ship, we should
hang on more avoiding you. Where

613
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:36.400
are we going after this? Got
some clubs? Yeah? Yeah, no,

614
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.280
I'm at watching. I've never played
golf. You're an avid golfer?

615
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:43.440
Yes, yeah, good for you. Yes, I mean I always joke

616
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.280
it's the one thing my dad,
one of the two things my dad gave

617
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:52.000
me a love of golf and alcoholism. Oh wait, did your dad know?

618
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:58.880
My dad? Except for the golf, I'm with you. Yeah,

619
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:05.719
horseshoes. Horseshoes was okay? Oh
man, See Brenda doesn't know anything about

620
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.400
that. They don't have any booze
down there in Australia. Yeah, is

621
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:13.199
it still legal down there? They
were trying to trying to litigate it out

622
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:16.000
of there, aren't they. I
think we're pretty much knowing for getting pissed

623
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:21.000
every single day of the week.
That's pretty much what the size of the

624
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.599
shots were like this now they're like
that if you really, if you're willing

625
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:28.400
to pay more money, they'll make
it. But that's what they're doing,

626
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:34.599
which unfortunately I found out. Well, I remember one of the first times

627
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:37.679
I ever ran into you. It
was in Australia. Yeah it was,

628
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:39.880
And I couldn't remember the name of
the convention, but it was in Australia.

629
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:45.039
Yep. Was it Super nov No, it was back then their competitor.

630
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:51.880
Yeah. I forgot who it was. Uh, yes, could be

631
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:57.800
because Wren. No, it was
a it was a husband and wife or

632
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:04.599
a girlfriend boyfriend, whatever the situation
was. Clarissa and I forgot good old

633
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:09.039
what's his name? Yeah, lovely
people. Yeah, that was cool,

634
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:13.840
but that's where we first met.
Yeah. I remember the first time I

635
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:15.800
ever saw Chris. It was at
a Super and over after parties. I

636
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.960
was there with some other guests.
I remember I went to the bathroom and

637
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.079
Chris was just walking out. I
was walking to this mountain of mass and

638
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.679
I was like, what is this. I looked up and I was like,

639
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:28.840
holy shit, that's tilt. He's
huge. Yeah, and then he

640
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.280
said, wait, mountains don't stumble
when they Yeah, yeah, yeah,

641
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:42.360
yeah, I know I was drunk
back then. There you go. Oh

642
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.880
god, I loved Australia, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Did you

643
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:47.920
ever come back to Australia Do you
think if the opportunity was there, Oh

644
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:52.840
god, yeah, oh absolutely.
You know. I've just I just took

645
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:57.119
a break from doing conventions, because
I mean I did him for twenty years,

646
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.840
like NonStop. So I just took
a five year and I'm kind of

647
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.880
starting to gear up to them again. Do you find an entire new audience

648
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.880
now because of Kratos? Do you
think of the fans would have winded away

649
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:12.840
and now you've got a new audience. No. Actually, because of the

650
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.400
pandemic, Stargate was on so many
channels that people discovered it for the first

651
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:22.719
time. So now you have not
only a parent in their kid, but

652
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:29.840
now their parent the kid and their
young kids. So it's it's been a

653
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:34.800
huge resurgence of it. And uh
and then with God of War, Yeah,

654
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:38.400
it was just a whole another just
huge. You know, I thought

655
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:45.360
sci fi fans were rabid gaming fans. Holy, I mean they If someone

656
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:52.239
can ever have a project that melds
the two together, it's going to be

657
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.239
a juggernaut forever, you know what
I mean. You know, they actually

658
00:52:55.239 --> 00:53:00.199
try I forgot the name of the
show, but they actually tried around two

659
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:07.280
thousand and seven to have a sci
fi show that also had a game component.

660
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:12.559
Two. But they tried to do
it with two separate production teams.

661
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:19.639
So I mean it was it was
a idea, but it just and technologically

662
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:25.239
it was the technology wasn't advancing.
But now I mean it would be oh

663
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:30.679
yeah yeah, but nowadays, you
know, it will require so much planning

664
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:36.400
and cooperation that that would probably kill
it in the development stage. Yeah yeah,

665
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:40.719
yeah yeah. Lack of vision too, Yeah, absolutely definitely lack of

666
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:43.960
vision. Yeah. Well, since
we're talking about video games, we had

667
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.760
Sonny Souljik, your co star of
Gone of War on the podcast. Thanks

668
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.760
to you, I think you put
the bug in his eyes, dude.

669
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.159
Yeah, and you've I've seen a
bunch of interviews and you really you really

670
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:57.800
seems like you two really bonded,
like you know, like actual father and

671
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.079
son, Like what was that experience
like can acting with him? Well?

672
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:07.360
I think that it's kind of why
I got the job initially because so much

673
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:15.239
of it resonated to me because I
missed so much of my own kids younger

674
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:20.400
years because I was working all the
time. And it was a chance to

675
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:27.159
kind of revisit because when I met
Sonny, Sonny was nine, you know,

676
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:36.960
and he had just turned nine.
So it was a chance to really

677
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:40.119
revisit because it was people think you
just go to work and you don't think

678
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:44.440
about your kids, you don't think
about what you're missing, but you do.

679
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:52.360
And it was so easy because I
understood who he was, you know,

680
00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:01.440
So it was it was really already
almost you know. And I've often

681
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:07.400
said, you know that twenty eighteen, Uh Got a War was really a

682
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:14.239
love letter to my kids, you
know. And but for me, Cradles

683
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:21.119
was a lot further along or a
lot simpler than I was as a person.

684
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.280
Cradles narrows it down to, oh, sure, I'm going to protect

685
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.239
my kids and make my warrior.
That's it. That's all that matters.

686
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:35.079
There is nothing else. Yeah,
clarity of purpose, yes, most definitely,

687
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:38.480
Singularity, most definitely. Yeah,
Yeah, cradles enough to you know,

688
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:43.440
work a job. Yeah, you
know he didn't have to balance his

689
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:47.920
books. He wouldn't balance in any
books. Oh that's well, you know

690
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:52.360
obviously being your son. That's right, folks, I am yeah, there

691
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.480
we go. It's the figure of
it that's called an easter egg. That's

692
00:55:55.559 --> 00:56:01.280
right. That's right. By the
way, it's just a total coincidence,

693
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.800
has nothing. Okay, maybe there's
a little something, but I mean that

694
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:12.239
was the craziest experience playing video games. And you know, like I've played

695
00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:15.519
video games my whole life, and
you know, even playing like Deaf Jam,

696
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:17.840
you know, was a completely different
experience with you voicing. You know,

697
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:21.039
it was cool, you know,
like growing up and I love that

698
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:22.880
game, but mostly for like the
rappers and stuff that were in it.

699
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.320
You know, you were like,
yes, you guys made that very apparent.

700
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:29.599
Yeah, you want to come to
work now, you want to come

701
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:31.360
to work now, you want to
come to work. Method man's going to

702
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:37.480
be there. Oh that's funny.
Yeah. But playing God of War and

703
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:39.920
like I've seen you say in an
interview, you know like it was what

704
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:45.480
was the phraseology that you used,
It was like learning how to be a

705
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:49.159
father something along those lines, Yes, because I was never taught how to

706
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.920
father. Yeah. How do you
teach someone the father that's never been fathered?

707
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:55.079
Yeah? And like I could really
feel that, like that was the

708
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:59.880
most emotional video game I've ever played, because like I feel like I had

709
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:04.119
probably the most unique experience in the
world playing that game, because it felt

710
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:07.119
like I'm even getting chills talking about
it now, because like you know,

711
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.400
I really put myself in like a
Trayas's shoes and every time you're talking,

712
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:14.360
you know you're controlling, but like
it felt like you're taught. Like I

713
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.599
can hear your voice talking to me
right, Like I even remember one time

714
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:23.119
playing and I don't know a Trea
says something about his mom and you like

715
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:30.880
Gough, and I was like I
have heard that size so many times in

716
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:36.000
my life. Like that was so
real, and it was just like it

717
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:39.239
was like a really emotional journey and
like you know, like you never really

718
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:44.079
got that emotional in front of us
as kids, and like, oh man,

719
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:45.519
like I just the hair on the
back of my neck is standing up

720
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:50.639
because I remember in the climax of
that first game, you know, you

721
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:53.360
A Treyas gets taken. It's been
a couple of years since I've played,

722
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:57.440
but A Treyas gets taken or something
like that, and you're busting through all

723
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.400
the doors of the different realms and
it's like a cut scene you have to

724
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:06.239
bust through, and like hearing your
scream was like it like brought like tears

725
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.360
to my eyes because like I could
hear the pain and the frustration and it

726
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:12.800
was so real. And like just
playing through that whole game, it was

727
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.880
just like really like not to sound
too corny, but like a life changing

728
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:19.840
experience because it was such a unique
aspect, you know, like controlling that

729
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.039
character, like hearing the stories like
riding riding in the boat, you know,

730
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:28.880
and you and the talking head.
Sorry I'm forgetting your name. Yeah,

731
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.360
but what's the actor's name? Oh, Aliser, yeah, Alistair,

732
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:36.000
and man, it was just like
a really cool experience. And obviously the

733
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:37.800
second one's great too, you know, I'm looking forward to whatever's coming,

734
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:42.360
but like I just really felt like
I was in a unique position to play

735
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:46.199
those games from that perspective, especially
about like fatherhood and you know, so

736
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:51.559
much of like what I do and
what I aspire to do, you know,

737
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:54.239
acting and show business and all that
came from growing up and being on

738
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:58.400
set, and that was you know, like the times that we got to

739
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:00.880
spend spend together, you know,
even though I'd be in the special effects

740
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:07.119
trailer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I worried about some of those antics

741
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:10.079
watching UFC. I'd be the trailer. They'd be like looking for me on

742
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:14.440
set because he would always trying to
get me to sit there in the director's

743
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:17.400
chair, and I hated it.
It was like the most boring process to

744
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:20.679
me ever, Like he'd be like, you have to learn, and I'd

745
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:24.239
be like, you have to Learn'd
be like what, like learn what these

746
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:28.599
guys are setting up lights for an
hour and then you guys do two takes

747
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:30.760
and I can't see ship Like yeah, yeah, I'd rather be in the

748
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:36.320
trailer with the special effects guys watching
UFC and like shooting the paintball guns.

749
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:40.119
Yeah. Well that's and oddly enough, you have worked yeah behind the scenes.

750
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:44.239
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I've worked on so you we may

751
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:45.960
have picked something up after all for
sure. Yeah. I've worked in quite

752
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.880
a few departments and in front of
the camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

753
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:54.400
you know, but you're you can
see what a special place now that

754
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:59.920
you've been on other sets. What
a special place Stargate? Oh for sure.

755
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:04.440
I mean where like it was always
bring your family to work day,

756
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:08.000
was always bring your dog to work
day. That was the Everyone knew each

757
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:14.679
other's kids, everyone knew each other's
wives, husbands you can't and sisters because

758
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:20.880
they were always welcome and you know, and everyone looked out for the family

759
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:24.880
you brought, so there wasn't anywhere
they couldn't go in the offices and them.

760
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:30.119
And I remember riding on Jason Momoa's
motorbike, like he used to be

761
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:34.320
the freaking cool guy that was coming
on his motorbike. Can't be coming his

762
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:37.599
set. I could just hear,
are you oh you're little judge? Oh

763
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:45.360
get on this long before you know? He was like Jason, yeah,

764
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:47.079
you know, he was on Atlantis. I can't even remember what character he

765
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:50.639
played on there, but running decks. Yeah. But he was such a

766
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:52.239
cool guy, you know, like
just such a down to earth dude.

767
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:59.199
And yeah, just that's someone you
can really be happy for their success because

768
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:02.920
he's not a douche. Yeah.
Always a good sign, yeah, yeah,

769
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:06.559
yeah, always a good sign.
But that's that's what I want.

770
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:13.239
My mission is that at least every
set that I'm number one on, it's

771
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.920
gonna be that, you know.
Yeah, it's not gonna be people yelling

772
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:21.239
and screaming and call each names.
Yeah, It's gonna be supportive and what

773
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.960
can we do to help you?
And always a the floor is yours,

774
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:31.719
like the ideas are welcome, you
know, and to make people when they

775
01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:37.039
wake up happy to go to work. Now, yeah, I gotta go

776
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.880
to this motherfucker. Yeah, you
know, like yeah, yeah, definitely

777
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:44.519
been definitely been on sets like that. And to give credit, you know,

778
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:46.639
I worked on Arrow for two years
and you know, that's how I

779
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:50.199
got to know David Ramsey and that's
how we got him on the show.

780
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:52.480
And that was like a very similar
experience. It was a high stress.

781
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:55.280
I think it was higher stress probably
than Stargate. You know, like it

782
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:59.559
was stress. Yeah, it was
really long days and everything like that.

783
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:07.440
But you know, other than somebody, everybody was really kind. Do you

784
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.960
think having a season security added to
the relaxation on set? And I was

785
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.960
like, well, we're not we're
not going anywhere, so let's just all

786
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:21.280
have fun with this. It's a
good question performer wise. Yes. Now,

787
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:25.079
when I say, I mean there
was no stress relative to other sets,

788
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:30.519
there's still you got to get your
days, you know, there's still

789
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:37.639
you know, things like that.
You know, but when you are once

790
01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:45.400
you're a series, it's and you
find your stride and you find that formula,

791
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:53.159
then it's relatively simple to get your
days until they whoever you do is

792
01:02:53.400 --> 01:03:00.639
just wait, you got nine pages
in ten hours, Let's do fifteen pages

793
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:04.559
a day. Yeah, then you
know you're back. Okay, how do

794
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:08.559
we do that? Okay, you
got fifteen and twelve, Let's see if

795
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:12.920
we can get eighteen pages a day. You know. So it's uh,

796
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:16.760
it's kind of always, but you
know, and God bless them. Michael

797
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:23.559
Greenberg, he was twelve hours,
and if you think about it, after

798
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:28.760
twelve hours, it's diminishing returns.
Yeah. I was gonna say you'd be

799
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:31.000
winded down. Yeah, you can't. People can't fausted. And you know

800
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:35.840
that thirteenth hour eight like the first
Yeah. Yeah, and that was back

801
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:39.119
in the days when pretty much all
sci fi was shot in Vancouver. So

802
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:43.800
we hear about these shows. They
were doing twenty two hour days. Then

803
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:49.079
they're asking people to wave turn around, and twenty four hour days. Even

804
01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:53.039
when we first started, when we
did the pilot for Stargate, we did

805
01:03:53.079 --> 01:04:00.599
French hours, which means you basically
are shooting you sketch jewel an eighteen hour

806
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:04.800
day, so but you're doing it
with two crews, so you're in a

807
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:10.920
constant rotation. So it becomes a
twenty four hour day shooting day because you're

808
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:15.639
constantly either at lunch and then another
crew or you have I think you would

809
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:18.400
get a three hour break or something
like that and then back and then you'd

810
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:21.039
have like a two hour break.
It was really I had never heard of

811
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:26.159
it before, but it was.
We were trying to shovel ten pounds of

812
01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:30.559
shit into a five pound bag.
So it just needed to be done,

813
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.400
and they had found actually a really
creative way to do it. But then

814
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:39.239
they quickly realized it was untenable,
or you know it is I wanted to

815
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:45.159
do you do you do you feel
like once you achieve a certain level of

816
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:51.320
not even fame, acclaim, do
you ever like have the thing? I

817
01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:58.199
could settle a lot of old scores, right, yeah, knock on what?

818
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:02.639
I don't have many? I mean, you know, in my realm

819
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:05.920
and my coming up it was like, uh huh huh. Oh yeah,

820
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:11.639
So I wasn't gonna do nothing,
huh, you know, and uh,

821
01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:14.400
you know, it's it's just kind
of that type of thing, you know,

822
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:16.519
some yahoo that used to bug you
in high school. You know,

823
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:19.199
I had a guy throw me up
against the locker, you know, back

824
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:23.039
in Catholic schooling to go, let
me tell you something. Comings you ain't

825
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.760
gonna do squad all right? I
know you. I know your family gonna

826
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:30.400
work in the steel mill for another
twenty five years. You're gonna you're gonna

827
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.480
you're gonna sit around and lose money
on on the Pittsburgh Pirates and on the

828
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:38.599
Cleveland Indians and on you know,
cause we're in Youngstown right there. And

829
01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:42.880
I was thinking, man, you're
gonna brag about knowing me one of these

830
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.360
days. And that's my kind of
revenge. That's awesome, you know.

831
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:48.360
And and so you know, and
I went back and now I had a

832
01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:54.760
I established a many moons ago,
a permanent scholarship in my father's name,

833
01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:58.880
God Rest the soul at that school. So it's like, okay, now,

834
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:09.039
what were you saying that again?
You know, it is looking back

835
01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:15.519
through the journey and you know how
few people were actually supportive of you or

836
01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:23.079
weren't. Weren't didn't look at you
and go like, will you ever be

837
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:29.920
successful? You have you know,
it's yeah, So it's it's yeah,

838
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.760
you're You're right. It is its
own reward. Yeah, it is.

839
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:38.639
Well I remember, you know,
like I said, my dad and different

840
01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:40.760
people. Yeah, I know you
want to do that, but what are

841
01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:43.119
you going to do for a living
now? No, I'm going to do

842
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:46.360
it. That's what I'm going to
do. Yeah, but yeah, to

843
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:49.239
have something to fall back, you
know, you know, it was always

844
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:53.440
something you gotta and it was something
to fall back on. I'm not going

845
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:57.599
to fall back. I'm gonna I'm
going to keep trucking to go forward.

846
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.960
I'm not looking to fall back on
anything. I don't. I'm okay,

847
01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:03.840
you know, And I'll go back
and I'll be a deckhandhunt a damn riverboat

848
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:08.519
after but I won't. But I'll
just keep the story that I got from

849
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:12.840
doing that, and then you know, then that'll end for the journey.

850
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:23.119
I mean Grandma, my mom,
who bet my best friend, God bless

851
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:27.440
her. She never worried about me, like growing up, she always had

852
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:32.559
this belief that I was gonna be
successful at something. You know. She

853
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:38.119
never really got on me to,
you know, but so what are you

854
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:42.639
gonna do? You know? When
uh, I decided I didn't want to

855
01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:49.079
play football anymore, and so now
I start working, and I believe it

856
01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:56.519
was I gotten to show much I'll
called Sirens. So when that ended,

857
01:07:56.760 --> 01:07:59.199
she was like, so honey,
what are you gonna You're gonna need something

858
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.360
to fall back on. It was
like, wait, you've never ever come

859
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:05.519
on. So she made me take
the Series seven exam, so I got

860
01:08:05.559 --> 01:08:12.880
my stockbroker's license and we still laugh
about it. To this man, I

861
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:15.920
was like, wait a minute,
you wait until after I already started working

862
01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:20.239
in this field that everyone told me
I wouldn't be successful and you're never worried

863
01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:24.760
about it. But as soon as
I started working, well then I got

864
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:31.760
that's bass ackwards. That is bass
ackwards. Oh wow, yeah, well

865
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:35.199
here, let me buy you a
house. Now are you worried? Are

866
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:45.039
you're still worried? Yeah? What
was it about? You know? I

867
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:50.159
loved the games themselves, I loved
watching film. I loved. What I

868
01:08:50.199 --> 01:09:03.119
didn't like was the control the these
coaching was a lot less regulated than it

869
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:10.119
is now. So the guy who
recruited me was also my position coach,

870
01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:17.159
so he understood me. He left
and went to Stanford, and the guy

871
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:25.199
who came in did not understand me
and was determined to break me till I

872
01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:31.439
fit his mold, and that wasn't
going to happen. So like nowadays,

873
01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:35.760
I don't even know if you can
go live during full contact during the season

874
01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:42.359
anymore barely. So back then,
if we had a game on Saturday,

875
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:50.399
we'd go live Friday. We'd be
in full pads hitting each other the day

876
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:55.279
before we go out. And I
was vocal of us like, this is

877
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.640
the dumbest shit ever. Yeah,
what what if called accidents for a reason?

878
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:01.800
You know? And this was,
you know, this dude from back

879
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:05.640
South who I don't want to say
he was racist. He just hated black

880
01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:15.880
people there but other than that,
but he was determined. And at I

881
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:19.439
went to Oh, I went to
the Oh that's Oregon by the way.

882
01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:27.319
Yes, we had had a bunch
of players from the South Bay go to

883
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:34.960
Oregon and we were all characters,
you know, and apparently, well I

884
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:45.800
know one was, and you know, he was determined that at least in

885
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:50.479
the position that he was in charge
of, we were going to do things

886
01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:57.159
his way. Sure, and that's
not how any of us were recruited there.

887
01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:00.960
You know, I was a free
safety. You were recruited because you

888
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:04.840
yeah, you know, and he
tried to put me in this very regiments.

889
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:08.199
Yeah, well you got in there
being you. What was wrong with

890
01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:11.399
that? Exactly right? Yeah,
exactly right. But that was back in

891
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:15.920
the days of thinking that you could
mold players into a coach's likeness. They

892
01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:19.640
don't do that anymore. Yeah,
Oh that's good. Yeah. I don't

893
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:23.840
even have a set to that,
so that's cool. Yeah, that's good

894
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:25.800
stuff. Yeah. Well, I
wanted to ask you, Jim. We

895
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:29.439
were just talking about, you know, being on good sets and creating a

896
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:32.119
family environment, and we've kind of
touched on touched on it in other podcasts,

897
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:34.960
you know. I think Phil yesterday
was saying, you know, like

898
01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:40.000
the Voiceover World is kind of all
of that. You know, it's a

899
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:42.880
very friendly environment. So I just
wanted to ask you, what's like the

900
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:45.800
what's the best experience you've had on
a show with the cast and the behind

901
01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:48.880
the scenes. Oh, boy,
gosh, the best on the show.

902
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:54.760
Well, see, I we don't
do it that much anymore, but I

903
01:11:54.760 --> 01:12:00.000
I always liked the whole cast being
there. Yeah, you know, because

904
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:01.800
it's an organic feel well, you
know, I mean, you know,

905
01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:06.479
somebody says something and even if it's
not exactly the right line, you react

906
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:09.920
to what they said, and now
it became the right line, and your

907
01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:13.439
line is a little better. Now
everything just creeps up a notch, you

908
01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:15.880
know. And it's at that camaraderie, that type of thing. In fact,

909
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:19.319
yesterday we were the other day we
were talking with Terry McGovern and I

910
01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:24.479
was dark Wing Duck and he was
launch Pad mcquack. He was dark Wing

911
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:30.039
sidekick, and we did a show
together. Out of almost one hundred,

912
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:35.920
we did one show one, the
very first show we did together, in

913
01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:43.399
the same room. Every single other
one was he lived in Petaluma or somewhere

914
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:46.439
like that, San Francisco, you
know, and and he was in a

915
01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:49.000
studio. I was in the studio, but we're never in the same studio.

916
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:54.279
And it came off great. But
that was because we had a rapport.

917
01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:59.319
Whereas I think one of my favorite
ones really now that I think of

918
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:03.840
it was the very last show of
the Gummy Bears. Everybody remember the Gummy

919
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:08.239
Bears out there, Well, we
had all these different people. There was

920
01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:14.920
Katie Lee and Will Ryan and Lorenzo
Music and oh gosh, I don't even

921
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.359
I want to shut up now.
Noel North was there, and anyway,

922
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:21.760
it was the whole cast, Rob
Paulson and uh. And we had the

923
01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:26.560
whole cast there and I, you
know, I should put this on somewhere

924
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:31.560
because I've got it on video and
now it's on a DVD. And I

925
01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:35.680
taped the whole session, you know, this back when nobody gave a darn

926
01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:40.560
and I'm sitting there with this big
stupid you know, the big old eighties

927
01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:45.399
VTR and the camera there and and
oh, sh it's my life, okay,

928
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:47.800
you know, and uh, And
so I have it on there and

929
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:51.319
and it it shows you there's a
rapport there, and I think it's a

930
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:56.640
little better, you know, when
when you're doing it with everybody there.

931
01:13:57.239 --> 01:14:00.000
Acting is part of reacting. That's
exactly right. So exactly right. But

932
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:09.079
you know that people talk about the
evolution of gaming, A lot of it

933
01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:15.039
is because now we shoot the cinematics
together, you know, we actually you

934
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:20.159
know, we're the peakap suits and
we're in the volume together, and it

935
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:30.159
just makes all the difference in the
world. As opposed to manufacturing something there,

936
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:34.359
you're playing the reality of what's there, and it just rings so much

937
01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:42.720
truer that you know, I during
the lockdown I did, I played Black

938
01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:56.880
Panther War War for Wakanda, and
it's so extremely difficult to do scenes without

939
01:14:56.960 --> 01:15:01.239
even being able to hear, yeah
what they were doing, well they were

940
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:05.600
doing. Yeah, So to record
in a vacuum like that, I'll never

941
01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:11.079
do it again. Yeah yeah,
yeah, well you know I hear you,

942
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:14.439
boy. It really helps, Yeah, because you're having to having to

943
01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:18.880
reimagine and imagine what this character right
before me said, and who's coming up

944
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:23.720
afterward. And I mean even things
like levels of volume. You know,

945
01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:26.399
I mean, am I yelling across
the field? Or is a guy right

946
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:28.479
next to me? I mean,
you know, you get a sense of

947
01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:30.800
that. But but it's a it's
kind of a you know, I like

948
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:34.199
the feedback, and I just think
it's better. It's just better to have

949
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:39.640
people around you. But I think
I think with the video games, they

950
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:45.760
they're so focused on getting this stuff
here, that stuff there, then then

951
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:53.399
they want to maestro it together.
Okay, well it's been It's really the

952
01:15:53.600 --> 01:16:00.239
change of it now is because the
player has so much control. Now it's

953
01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:05.279
not micro managing anything anymore because you
have to do every version of it.

954
01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:10.359
Yeah, so it's not really that
Okay, we only have like one take

955
01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:13.760
we can use. Yeah, you
got to use them all because you don't

956
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:15.680
know the player is going to take
a step left here. Yeah, that's

957
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:18.279
of course, that's right, that's
right, you know. So yeah,

958
01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:23.920
it's it's it's a whole different.
Uh. Yeah. When we were doing

959
01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:29.279
Ragnarock, you know, we had
obviously delays because of the lockdown and all

960
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:34.000
that, but it was just so
big on the page that, you know,

961
01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:40.319
every time I would go in and
say because they had come out and

962
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:44.800
finally and said that we were going
to come out in twenty twenty two,

963
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:53.359
and I'd start off every session with
gotta wear Ragnarok twenty thirty seven. And

964
01:16:53.560 --> 01:17:00.600
let me tell you how quickly that
got old. How did the pandemic change

965
01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:03.960
the way you go about in your
work with video games? To change the

966
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:10.479
business in any way, the video
game business, the business know how we

967
01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:15.560
shot it changed a lot. It
was so fucking ridiculous, and not not

968
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:19.439
to have about what safety protocols were
in place, that was other people's decisions.

969
01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:26.159
But if I was going to hand
Jim a prop, there would be

970
01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:32.640
a prop guy who would sterilize it
when it came out of mind. Oh

971
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:36.239
yeah, give me a break.
Then he could put it in his gloved

972
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:42.800
hand and give it to you,
and then you would continue to see that

973
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:46.680
makes me just want to sign.
Yeah. But then the director as system,

974
01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:51.880
everyone of the all the technicians,
they all had on face shields so

975
01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:56.880
you couldn't hear what the directions were. Oh god, And when we do

976
01:17:57.039 --> 01:18:00.560
read throughs, everyone had on face
shields, so you couldn't hear anything anyone

977
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:10.880
was saying. So that so slowed
the process. But we kind of finally

978
01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:14.199
not not to finesse it because we
could. It couldn't be finesse because we

979
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:23.119
had two safety people on set at
all times. So but we found a

980
01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:30.439
way to deal with it and we
it was frustrating, but we didn't let

981
01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:34.319
each other wallow in the frustration.
Yeah, you know, and that that

982
01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:41.760
is strictly all due to what trust
we had developed for each other in the

983
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:45.479
safety of that volume. That's cool. That's cool. How when you compare

984
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:49.279
the cut of wall family with the
Stockgate family. The only reason that's not

985
01:18:49.359 --> 01:18:54.640
a good question is because I won't
answer it. Yeah, yeah, that's

986
01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:57.720
true. Yeah, which is your
favorite? Kids? Now it's like,

987
01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:00.239
no, well it's a which is
better? How did you compare? Like,

988
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:08.159
what's other similarities between the two?
Or there are similarities, but one

989
01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:11.920
is coming from the perspective of a
guy who was four on the call sheet

990
01:19:12.279 --> 01:19:15.600
compared to the perspective of a guy
who was one on the car, So

991
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:23.439
it's from a different lens, you
know what I mean. And they were

992
01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:30.119
just both great places to be,
you know. So one I kind of

993
01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:31.399
had to go with the flow and
the flow just happened to be good.

994
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:35.279
The other one, I make sure
the flow is good. So that's just

995
01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:40.159
the only difference. How did it
feeling when you when you first went from

996
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:42.600
being like the four as you said, for stargeting, now you're the one.

997
01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:45.319
How did you initially feel about that? Did you feel like you had

998
01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:47.960
to change your approach to how you
engage with others or how did you first

999
01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:54.359
take being having that responsibility on your
shoulders? I felt free because I knew

1000
01:19:56.119 --> 01:20:03.079
that my intentions were righteous. It
was to be as supportive, as loving,

1001
01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:11.760
as open to criticism, whatever it
may be, and take it all

1002
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:19.880
as positive there was never a day
in there when there was anything negative but

1003
01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:24.199
a bunch of us I mean,
Corey, I mean we all said,

1004
01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:32.560
this is the holy space. This
insulates us from everything out there, so

1005
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:36.079
you could truly walk in and feel
safe no matter what you're going through in

1006
01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:41.199
your personal life, no matter because
the news wasn't always great back then,

1007
01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:46.159
you know, so no matter how
down you felt about what's going on in

1008
01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:50.079
the world, here's the place you'll
be like, yeah, yeah, that's

1009
01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:55.319
true, that's nice, that's nice. Yeah, yeah, I do that

1010
01:20:55.359 --> 01:21:01.279
all the time too, But I
didn't bring my drumsticks. Oh yeah,

1011
01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:05.119
I drive engineers and that's occasionally.
Okay, could you not do that on

1012
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:12.960
the damn microphone. We've talked a
lot about, you know, good times,

1013
01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:15.479
good casts and everything like that.
One thing we haven't touched on,

1014
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:18.560
you know, this this entertainment industry
is so difficult and everything like that.

1015
01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:21.520
What has been for each of you? What has been like one of the

1016
01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:26.520
hardest moments of your career when you
felt the most down or you know,

1017
01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:30.960
down trod in or struggling something really
difficult for you? Boy? Oh boy,

1018
01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:35.199
well knock on what I've I've been
fairly lucky in that regard, but

1019
01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:41.479
you know, uh, well,
when they cast Christian Bale ahead of me

1020
01:21:41.720 --> 01:21:47.760
in Batman numb No, I think
I've been fortunate enough to never have any

1021
01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:53.119
really bad down times, but I've
always in the back of my head,

1022
01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:58.359
I think we all have this one
is it? Well? What if I

1023
01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:01.279
don't cut the mustard next? You
know, what if what if they what

1024
01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:04.520
if they come up with some character
and I can't swing it? What if

1025
01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:11.560
they you know? And so uh, you know, you know, I

1026
01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:15.159
think it's the fear of the unknown. I would think, you know,

1027
01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:19.439
but so far, so good.
You know, I made it this far.

1028
01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:25.199
I'm hanging out with him, and
so uh. It's so fascinating for

1029
01:22:25.239 --> 01:22:28.319
me to hear that, because I
remember I was watching an actor's roundtable on

1030
01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:32.279
YouTube and I forget who said it. I can't remember who said it,

1031
01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:35.239
but it was a big actor.
And hearing it from you too, it's

1032
01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:39.399
just so interesting to me that that
sticks with you your whole career, you

1033
01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:41.439
know, as like a young actor, you would think, you know,

1034
01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:44.600
you get to a certain point where
it's like, Okay, I can take

1035
01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:46.439
a deep breath. You know,
my body of work spece for itself.

1036
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:51.000
And well, residuals are your friend. I can tell you that. I

1037
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:55.560
mean, amen, right, you
know, but I've always had that,

1038
01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:57.880
you know, I guess what,
the fear of flying or fear of the

1039
01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:01.279
you know what if the phone stops
ringing. And I think that's healthy a

1040
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:05.039
little bit because it keeps you hungry. You know, have gotta have a

1041
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:08.720
little fire in the furnace. You
got to keep going, you know,

1042
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:13.399
and uh and stretching and you know, and you know, I've been very

1043
01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:18.479
fortunate to have different auditions to pop
up. And it comes from this angle

1044
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:24.920
and that angle and this angle and
and uh, knock on wood, which

1045
01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:30.800
I won't because it makes it loud
noise. You know. I've I've been

1046
01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:34.159
fortunate enough to skate. You know, I don't know if it's skating or

1047
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:39.279
whatever it is. But because I
mean, I still in the back of

1048
01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:41.439
my head, I can go.
I can hear my dad go yeah,

1049
01:23:41.479 --> 01:23:43.680
but okay, that's good. But
what are you gonna do for a living?

1050
01:23:43.720 --> 01:23:45.760
Again? I go, no,
I'm really going to do that?

1051
01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:56.640
Well, yeah, okay, you
know, and and for me that you're

1052
01:23:56.920 --> 01:24:01.479
never so sure that I'll be able
to do something without if somebody is sitting

1053
01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:04.680
over there going, You'll never you
ain't gonna never do that. Man,

1054
01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:10.520
you you're fooling yourself. You're kidding
yourself, You're kidding your family. You're

1055
01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:14.880
not going to cut that mustard.
Okay, now I'm gonna sleigh. Now,

1056
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.720
it's probably not the right way to
be encouraged. But if it works,

1057
01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:20.600
if it worked, now coming,
you ain't gonna make it. It's

1058
01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:27.039
like I told you that Jim Mount, who shall remain nameless, you know,

1059
01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:29.399
yeah, you know he bagged on
me. He goes, No,

1060
01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:31.159
you're gonna be in a still and
I don't enough. He was right.

1061
01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:33.680
I worked in the CEMO for six
months, but that was it. Yeah.

1062
01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:35.840
I just wanted to get him enough
money to move to New Orleans and

1063
01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:42.159
then I did. That's awesome.
Yeah, not convoyd. Yeah, but

1064
01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:46.840
don't but don't. Yeah, that's
true. You know the I can remember

1065
01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:55.279
the one time I had started working
a lot, and now I'm going for

1066
01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:58.960
Leeds and series and I don't know, I don't even know if they still

1067
01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:02.119
do this. But one of the
insidious things about being a regular on the

1068
01:25:02.199 --> 01:25:08.199
show, before you screen test,
they negotiate your deal, so you know

1069
01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:16.560
exactly how much money this screen so
well, because if they want you,

1070
01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:21.399
if you haven't already negotiate, you
hold them for ransom. Yeah, okay,

1071
01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:28.960
so it's a profit deal. Nice
where I guess that makes sense for

1072
01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:33.439
them. Yeah. So at that
time I had already done a series,

1073
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:40.640
and I was kind of trying to
now not take guest roles and stuff like

1074
01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:44.159
that. So I just wanted to
get leads and series. So I was

1075
01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:49.920
working at ABC Entertainment Center the night
shift as a security guard. I come

1076
01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:54.600
home, work out, sleep for
an hour or two, and prepare for

1077
01:25:54.680 --> 01:26:00.720
auditions or what have you, you
know, and then repeat. So this

1078
01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:09.119
one pilot season, I negotiated six
deals and didn't get any of them.

1079
01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:16.479
So when you're not working and you
see this is for twenty thousand episode back

1080
01:26:16.479 --> 01:26:20.439
then twenty two episodes, Okay,
you don't get it. Okay, a

1081
01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:25.119
role, damn. So that works
for about two or three of them.

1082
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:30.159
Now after that, it's tough.
It's tough, and so yeah, six

1083
01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:38.479
didn't get any and I really that
was my come to Jesus, maybe I

1084
01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:42.720
shouldn't be doing this. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll give it

1085
01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:46.279
one more year. The first auditions
of the next year was started Okay,

1086
01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:51.560
that paid off well. I had
like my third year in the business was

1087
01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:56.760
very slim, and I ended up
doing singing telegrams, a couple couple of

1088
01:26:56.760 --> 01:26:59.760
them, you know, for a
b three or four months, and man

1089
01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:03.119
man, and it passed over.
It happened. The Easter rolled around,

1090
01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:06.359
and so they said, okay,
Jim, get over here, here,

1091
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:09.119
here, you go here, here, he wants you to put this on.

1092
01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:12.600
I go, what the hell?
It was an Easter bunny costume and

1093
01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:15.439
it was one of those solid heads. So here I am. I'm down.

1094
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:19.279
I was a Orange County, California
solid head with a little hole and

1095
01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:23.640
nick gauze around the eye. So
you look through the look through the ice.

1096
01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:27.800
And I went up there and I
go, here comes Pete to cotton

1097
01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:32.279
tail up and down the bunny trail, and I realized that there's no oxygen

1098
01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:41.680
in here, and I was there's
the pod and I pulled a head off

1099
01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:44.279
because I was running. I was
eating on my own oxygen. I was

1100
01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:50.079
on monoxide and carbonnoxide. And then
it goes, you know, Easter buddy

1101
01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:57.000
just pulled his head off. So
if you kids are watching this, you're

1102
01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:01.720
probably about thirty years old. Now
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Here comes

1103
01:28:01.720 --> 01:28:12.960
pe so don't try this at home. Oh god, that's all I got.

1104
01:28:14.399 --> 01:28:16.119
Okay, Thank you very much for
watching. That was another episode of

1105
01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:19.359
Tuned In with Jim Cummings joined by
Chris Judge. Thank you again so much

1106
01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:24.039
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1107
01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:28.640
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1108
01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:32.119
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1109
01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:34.560
much for watching. This was tuned
In with Jim Commings. We'll see you

1110
01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:34.960
next time.