Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host. You
know, I don't often talk too much about personal things, but I do
have a personal favorite holiday and that is coming up here in the United States,
and that's Thanksgiving. I just loved I don't know why, but I've
always loved Thanksgiving. UM. You know, we we have a lot to
be grateful for. I certainly do. UM, maybe not everyone, but
it's a great time to reach out to family, friends and anyway coming up.
So I want to wish everyone in the US. I'll wish all over
the world, but you know, the US in particular, that we celebrate
it here and I'd like to wish everyone a wonderful Thanksgiving coming up in just
a couple of days. Let's see. Our blog this week is a UFO
falls to the Ground in Yorkshire, England, now the great one by Charles
Lear and our guests, well, I would our guest is a different guest
and we had planned last week. And I will say this that it's not
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at the blog link and you'll also get who the upcoming guest is of that
day. And sometimes it changes on the day for different reasons. Maybe a
guest had to cancel for some reason, or something else came along tonight.
Dean Aliotto. You saw him briefly last week and last week's show, and
he's on this week. We're going to discuss the overall state of ufology in
general. It's been a long time since he's been a sole guest on this
show. I defer to him for a lot of things. He and I
have become friends over the years, and he's a real sharp guy. He's
got his finger on the pulse of this He's got some work coming up that
is going to be very well appreciated by everyone in this group. And we're
going to talk a little bit about a past situation that he had that is
absolutely hilarious. He helped out James Fox with his phenomenon movie. He's been
helped out for a Any Specialist Bravo Discovery, and he was featured in the
paramount and documentary Unknown Dimensions. And anyway, I'm without further ado, what
does it do? Anyway, I've never really understood what to do is.
But without further ado, here is Dean Alioto. Dean, welcome to the
show. Thank you, Martin, glad to be back. I think I
do is like a honey dude, like a honey due melon? Is that
what it is? Yeah? I think so. Okay, anyway, thank
you for clearing that up. But welcome back to the show. And I
you know, I think we always have fun together. So and it was
a great visit I had out with you when I was in California a few
weeks ago. That was just a blast. And now we're paying for being
warm those few weeks because right now it's like thirty four degrees outside where I
am right now. I wasn't ready for that. Yeah yeah, and uh,
you poor thing. It is probably down to Avenue there right it's uh,
it's getting close. I'm trying to keep it out of sight, out
of mind because I think about it too much I might get sad, which
is season right affected disorder where I have to be at a perfect bomby seventy
four. Otherwise I'm just well, you're in the right place there, And
so they want your podcasts. I don't want me in your podcast and I'm
suffering from sads. Yes, yeah, you know before before we get into
like our main topic tonight, that we do have a lot of new people
that listen to the show all the time, and I don't think a lot
of people know about your found footage. And when I said earlier when I
was introducing you, when I said it's hilarious, what happened after you created
the video for like on a shoe string budget. That's what became hilarious in
the in the outcome, the things that happened after that. But I'd like
to play a clip first of all, for those of for those of you
who have never heard of this, it was it was a found footage actually
probably the original found footage show, right, I mean this was your concept
or out of high school? Right, I've been accused a few times,
Yes, yes, yeah, move over, Blair, Rich Blair, which,
okay, here we go. Here's the clip. One minute clip.
Wait, Michael, don't blow you, yeah, hold on, it's working
forgot it. Oh you're gonna break your neck for I'm gonna break ship.
That was that? Oh shit, what the hell is that? He's got
a show? One of them. It's right outside there, you I just
took a look at the well. There's a little trailer there. So let's
talk about how that all started, how that all came together. But I
want to talk about also about what happened to the warehouse and you know,
the whole thing. You can do it. I know people, some people
I believe you told us about three years ago, maybe four years ago in
this show. So they're like I said, there's a lot of new people,
and uh it for me, it never gets old. I think I
can do this in two or three minutes. So if you guys have heard
this before, come back in two or three minutes and you'll just pick up
get into some really cool, cool shit. Well, I put a time
stamp last week. A lot of people said, oh, you got to
do that every week, you know where you click on the time stamps and
a goat. But I'm not going to do that this time, I don't
think. But I might do a few dean go ahead, I'm tiring you.
Yeah. Click. So here's what happened. Um, I know,
I wanted to be a filmmaker at an early age. And one of the
things that all of my my filmmaking idols had done, they had made the
first feature by the age of twenty five that goes with them from Orson Wills,
Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, a couple of all these cats. So
I decided that I was going to do that and unfortunately, write a film
school. All I had was, you know, a cam quarter and a
guy who I went to school with high school with who wanted to be a
producer and said he would finance my first feature. And so he said,
you know, let's do this. And I said, great, how much
do you have and he said, I'm I'm willing to spend sixty five hundred
bucks. So back then there was no DSLR camera and stuff like that.
It was thirty five millimeter or sixteen millimeter, which is almost equally expensive with
lab costs and everything. And so I decided because I'd been shooting with my
buddy these wedding videos and I had decided that I was going to, you
know, maybe do something with that, but I wasn't sure. And then
I had read Communion around that time, and it scared the hell out of
me more than any Stephen King novel. And then I remember specifically, and
I was just mentioning to my girlfriend Alley. We were flying out and I
had a flashback where I remember flying up from San Francisco and it was at
perfect time where you go from you know, dust and to night until night
and you can see the curvature of the planet because the planet, you know,
it's actually not flat, and so I was imagining leaving the planet,
this would be the last time that I would ever see the planet looking down
out the window. And that kind of started something and I thought, well,
you know what if I conflator all these things that did like kind of
like a war the world's on videotape and shot this thing in one take,
um and hired improv actors and uh, and did it all in one night.
And so that's exactly what I did. I had a ten page beat
sheet of all these things that were based on what Whitley and Bud Hopkins book
books had purported, and just found myself, you know, shooting this thing
and finished it and ironically, the thing actually got distributed. I do remember
this one story where this woman head of production company yelled at me when I
came in with my little teaser trailer for my film, because she said,
don't ever waste my time. Don't ever come back here again unless you have
a real film. And so that was my last second to last meeting that
I had with trying to sell this this thing I had. I'm from San
Francisco and had commuter up to LA just for the purposes of selling this thing.
So I thought, well, that was at my very last meeting met
with this guy, and he says, I love it, Let's do it.
And so that was it. So I checked in a few months later.
I'd given them all my artwork, my master the whole deal, and
I said, hey, so you know, how are the pre orders?
How are we doing? And it goes it's went up in flames, man,
and I thought, oh, we're on fire. We're crushing. I
go, oh, how many units? And he said all of them?
And I said, we know, we've blunder all the units and he said
no, no, no, They literally all went up. And then he
explained to me that the warehouse burned to the ground and I lost all my
main masters are my one main master. All of my artwork gone history,
and so you know, we're kind of depressed that I thought that the film
gods might have been telling me something since it was time to move on,
and so I did. Flashed forward to five years later, and I get
a call from this guy, Sean David Morton saying, hey, do you
know who found this footage? Your name came up and that was the first
time I'd ever heard found footage and this would have been, let's see,
the early nineties. And I said, I said, what footage is talking
about? I told it explained to me and I said, well, you
know one found that we made it. And says, okay, do you
know what's been going on with your film? And I'm like, dude,
who the hell are you? And he says, I just got back from
the International UFO Congress convention where your film was shown and believed to be the
real thing. Tom Dono, UFO researcher had gotten his hands on it,
and then UFO researcher, Lieutenant Colonel retired Don Ware the Air Force Intelligence claimed
it was authentic and that pretty much nailed it's it's infinity right then and there,
and so I was amused by it. I didn't understand what any of
that meant. All I knew was that Sean was saying on self mysteries hard
copy and this Fox show called Encounters, all want to do one interview me
into a story on the segment and I said to him, well, unsolved
mysteries. I guess that's out. And he says, what do you mean.
I said, well, it's called unsolved, it's not called solved mysteries.
He says, well, not necessarily. And I said, no,
Sean, who's going to give us most airtime? And he? You know,
Fox turned out they were going to give us six and a half minutes
and let us do a little bumper, And so went on that show,
and then they interviewed a couple other people, and what we kind of figured
out was that someone much more clever than I am and more devious than I
am, edited off the credits because a few mom and pop video stars got
advanced screeners and cut off the credits and injected to the UFO community, which
took about five years to fully implode or explode and become this strange, you
know, kind of conspiracy phenomenon, and so I went out on national TV
and debunked my own film. I think I'm the first and only filmmaker so
far to debunk their own film. But I have enough respect for UFO researchers
that I don't want him more, you know, stuff on their plate that
they don't need. So, you know, that was it. I thought,
well, there's my fifteen minutes of fame, you know, time to
move on. And then I meet this head writer we're working on the Stephen
J. Cannal crime series, and he says, I heard about this thing.
I want to see it. And I said, no, it's crappy
as handheld. It's this thing that's meant to look like a home video because
no one had done that at this time. Still it was years away from
Blair Witch and so there's no reference for it. And so he said,
you know, shut up and show it to me, and he got a
movie deal set up at Dick Clark Production. So we did a remake of
it essentially, and now the budget was one point two five million. We
were shooting up in Canada with the guys in the X Files and to do
the ship and Aliens and so now we had a week instead of one day,
and we came in half a million under budget, and you know,
came back and that was it, and I thought, well, that was
fun. You know, that extended that you know, fifteen minutes to maybe
seventeen minutes. And then I got fired because everyone at UPN got fired,
which means that any project that's there, they get kicked to the curb.
So they go out and they put in more interviews, except they put in
I had fake interviews that were intercut throughout the footage. They brought in Stamp
Freeman, Darryl Sims, my good friend Ivan Smith, and and then cut
it in with the footage, so it looked like they were, you know,
conjecturing about the actual show, which wasn't cool. I do remember.
I do remember Stamp Freeman on Coast to Coast and all these people were infuriated
and they were calling in and said you need to sue them, and I
was going, yes, please sue, sue them. And so anyway,
that was it, and you know, I thought, well, there you
go. I've done. I finished out my time in this space, and
I've enjoyed it. And that was it. By the way, the first
online poll was done, which was asking if this is real or not?
And that was after the credit said you know Alien one and two and three
played by so and so, and I should you not? Forty nine percent
of the audience claimed it was authentic after seeing all that, So that kind
of you know, taught me something, the power of you know, showing.
And then over the years I thought again that was. Then over the
years, all these conspiracies started to build, and one of them was that
the original name of that remake for UPN was the McPherson tape, which for
some reason was ascribed now onto the original which was called UFO Abduction, that
one I had done in eighty nine. But anyway, it was rebranded as
alien abduction incident like County. And so the internet came and started firing off
all these conspiracies that that I was hired by the government to remake it to
throw people off the scent of the original one, because that's apparently what happens
they hire filmmakers to throw people off the set. They should have done that
with JFK. I guess one point one point five million dollar budget. That's
pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good. I got a very small percentage
of that. So I need to talk to my agent about that in the
future if I'm engaging in conspiracy activities. So anyway, you know, I
thought that was it. And then lo and behold two eighteen seventeen rolls around
and and Ala Jandra when I connect Rojas and he says, hey, Karen,
who runs you know? Ask you for a congress convention brought They want
to do a special anniversary screening of the film. They want me to come
out and speak, And so I did that, and then and then I
was at Then I went to Fantastic Fest. They also want to do this
um um, you know, rerelease of the film, which is Alamo Drafthouse.
And so that happened, and then um it just kept snowballing. And
while I was in this going to these UFO conventions and stuff, um,
I started meeting people that, you know, the spectrum of people. You
meet someone who tells you at the fire pit at the what is it?
What's the name of that the hotel at the International UFO Congress Convention. It
used to be at the has A it's the name what God, I forgot
the name? What took something? Resort that we were staying at in Phoenix,
m Wekopa. I was just there, Yeah, the Wekopofence Center.
Yes. So the first out I got there, there was this guy who
was sitting there slamming some bud and telling me that he was born with vulcaneers
and his damn parents had rounded them out and he was pissed off. And
someone from that to going to a support group um with Van Smith saying Hey,
I've got the support group with experiences and I thought. I told my
girlfriend al, I said, well, this will be the true tale of
the tape. You know, we'll see what we get here, but I'm
expecting it to be a little bit, you know, the full spectrum of
you know, from credible to maybe not so credible. And so I came
home and she says, well, how was that? And I said,
horrifying. I believed every single one of them. And I've worked for twenty
years on crime shows and not a blip on my bullshit meter went often.
And that and a few other you know incidences meeting people and stuff got me
thinking that there was something in the space that I had not seen before in
either a movie or a series. And so that, unfortunately was the Gateway
drug that got me into this four year, nearly four year odyssey of creating
a science documentary, not a ufone alien document but a science documentary about UFOs
and aliens, which I've just wrapped as of last week, and it's a
three parter. I've got great people from Harvard Oxford, you know people who
I've got Mitchell Calku, I've got the guy who created the Simulated Reality hypothesis,
who's there. I've got Singularity expert and bestselling author Daniel Wilson, among
other people like Travis Walton and some regulars. But there's new information and stuff.
So if I brought someone in who we've seen before, I made sure
that we got some new information that we hadn't got before Because for me,
ultimately, I thought, even though I've been tracking this since I was a
kid, the phenomenon, I wanted to make something that was somewhere between the
Dummies Guide to UFO and Aliens and the New England Journal Medicine, so that
there would be a nice introduction into this world. But I wouldn't leave the
people who follow this, the hardcore, you know, people like us in
the dust. That there would be something new on mic drop in every episode
and so I'm happy to say that we were able to accomplish and you're going
to see some really cool stuff that you've not seen before. And so,
um, that's a kind of my journey up until this moment. And Martin
was the first person that I think when the first podcasts um that I did
when I came out of the closet if you will in twenty seventeen. Yeah,
well I think that's where we met. Yeah, we met there that
that year and kind of been in touch ever since. And uh, and
it's been a lot of fun. But you've had people also that we'll try
to debunk your debunking that that's not found footage, which I think is really
hilarious, like they knew the people in the film and those it's a real
family, and and uh, yeah, I think because you know, I
mean that that kind of shows you how strong someone's belief can be in something
really well. I got I would get hate mail or email, and my
favorite of all time was this guy saying, you know, I see right
through you. How do you explain my mother's best friends being best friends with
the woman who knew the woman who was abducted who was the mother and my
thing, And I said, you got me. I can't explain how your
mother it's good friends with a woman who was friends of a fictional character.
I can't. I can't help you there. I don't know what to tell
you. Yeah, yeah, but anyway, I've seen you, know,
I do remember you speaking about that, and then I've seen you all of
a sudden taking this thing very seriously and really doing a deep dive in the
last several years. And and you know, you're often you're in the background,
you know, watching my show a lot of times, and watching many
others, and you really have taken a keen interest, and so you happen
to come along at a time where it's much more take this subject, to
take much more seriously than it has been the entire time that I've been doing
in for the years ahead of that. So your timing was really good.
And when you're interviewing all these people, how many people in total do you
have in these the three part series, I interviewed fifty three people. It
was supposed to be twelve people, and I was going to be done in
six to nine months when I consulted with them. James Fox on the phenomenon.
Briefly, I said to him, you know this is eight years,
nine years you're at this. That's not sustainable, you know that, right
He goes, yeah, I know, And here I am four years into
it. And so it does grab a hold of you. What happens is
is this it's you know, you you interview someone and they go, Okay,
the questions that you're asking me, I can only partially answer those because
they're out of my purview. But you should talk to this person, and
then that person lead to someone else, and pretty soon, you know,
this web starts to build out, and you know, years go by and
dozens of interviews, you know, going at some point you have to cut
yourself off. And so my last interview was I had two interviews. One
of them is a special guest who I can't say who it is. Who
is one of the last interviews in episode three. But Greg Bishop was the
second to last one, and he offered a couple really funny, terrific lines.
But yeah, it really boy, it just became this whole thing.
I mean, it started out as a feature film that became this three parter.
So that gives you kind of an idea and out of the fifty three.
Only three of those didn't make it into this. The other ones will
probably end up being in. You know, I want to do a really
good behind the scenes or special feature bonus stuff that is, you know,
things that you also haven't seen before. So well, I've in and touch
a little bit here and there with James Fox lately, and he is in
the middle of something. He's not not really given me any details, but
he's he's working like crazy right now on something. So you may know more
about that than I do. I don't know what is what is common knowledge
and what is not, but but he's he's got something going on. When
it comes to the UFO of once again, what I can tell you,
what I can share with you about his new documentary is absolutely nothing. Yeah,
yeah, just like I wouldn't want anyone sharing anything about my stuff until
it's time. But I do know that if anyone's going to unearth something that's
going to, you know, be a nice check on the Richter scale,
it'll be James. So I'm I'm equally I'm with everyone else. I'm very
excited to see what he's going to be coming up with. I know that
he's very enthused and so you know it'll be wor whatever it is, right,
and where do you expect or do you haven't you got you have not
sold this thing yet. We have no idea when we can watch it and
where we can watch it. But can you direct people to your website or
some way where they can figure out how these things are going to be released?
How this usually works is especially these films that are made independently, like
like you know, um, Jeremy Corbell and Fox and other filmmakers thought that
we make these things independently and then we you know, pull together with our
sales team and then we go out and we see, you know, what
the temperature is out, who's interested, etc. And hit that. So
until then, I'm not going to be showing a trailer. We have a
trailer that an editor from Netflix cut, not that it's going to be at
Netflix. There's no guarantees of where we're going to be. At this point,
we'll probably close a deal, if not by the end of the year.
First thing come to New Year, and so then I can talk more
freely about you know, when it'll be targeted, etc. So um,
yeah, I mean right now there's there's you know, there'll be more occasionally
if you go to on, if you go to Instagram, Dan Alliott occasionally
post things behind the scenes, things what's going onder my night d Dean Alliot
or Dean Underscore Elliot I think it might be, or my Dan alliottle page
on Facebook. Yeah page. You'll definitely be back on to promote it once
it's out, so we'll get the word out there for sure, and put
it up on the website as well, So I wouldn't worry about that now.
I do want to say that, and I know you you know as
much as I do about this too. But since we're talking about films when
they're coming out, I know that I get at least two or three emails
a week, and I'll get probably several after this if I don't address it.
And that is I have no idea when the Ariel's Phenomena is coming out.
Um you know, I've heard rumors that it was going to be before
the end of this year, it was going to be on a major streaming
platform. I have no other information, can't find out any information just to
let everyone know, so I apologize. I thought I should hear something back
at this point, but I still have no information on that. It's kind
of a guest Yeah, your guests is going to be as good as mine.
Um, I'm sure I just know as much as you. Which is
that they've made a deal. Um, I believe with a distributor. If
that's all been you know, signed and dotted. Um. And so I
if I had to you know, venture a Guests, I would say it
would be coming out sometime next year, hopefully early next year. But only
Randy um Nickerson will have the answer to that. But um, you know
it's it's an important documentary, and um, you know, I like seeing
this shift from the nuts and bolts craft to the experience answers who for me,
Um, you know, these are the emissaries of the phenomena. You
know, we want to talk about disclosure. These are the people who are
having disclosure on a personal you know, one by one basis. It's probably
a lot safer than landing on the White House House lawn and you know,
getting shot at and then asking them questions later on, oh oh you were
Oh we didn't know it. Sorry. So, UM, I think these
are the people, um, you know that that are the closest links that
we have. And so I really want to see them have their their seat
at the table. I think that's kind of critical to go beyond just the
kind of viewing these things. There's other things that are happening, and there's
enough cases out there to substantiate this is as strong as you know, a
photograph, I would say, especially in some cases. Yeah, yeah,
to me, I people ask me what I think is the most important case.
I actually I have to put this one at the top, and you
know it's there may be a few that are close second, but um,
I think the ariel Um incident is to me the most convincing of all them
out there that something really strange. And I know there's there's more evidence,
so to speak, when it comes to like the Nimitz case, in other
cases where there's all kinds of other you know, backed up data, um,
and there's no data. There's just you know, several many, many
school children that saw this thing and and right away through pictures of it and
carried this thing all through their lives. All these these children. I've interviewed
two of the students, yeah and one of them yeah, yeah, I
interviewed two of them. One of them drops does a big mic drop um
so um that's all I say about that. Can you tell that I enjoyed
teasing and it's a little bit yes, ye, yes, yeah um and
so uh. You know, if you were to say, let me create
a perfect scenario for a UFO case, what would that be? What it
would be broad daylight, because I don't want to hear any talk about sleep
paralysis. It would be several witnesses and it would be you know, experienced
by people who are not not going to be subjected to having ideas that are
going to you know, filter are going to shave their opinion. They would
just be raw this is what I saw. And that would be children.
And so I don't think it's an accident that had happened in a schoolyard.
And as a preston, we'll tell you that there's been tons of schoolyard encounters.
This happens in Zimbabwe. It happens in a school that I sound like
I'm promoting Randy's movie, but I'm promoting both of ours. That you know,
it's a progressive school where there's black, white, Christian, Muslim Catholics
across the board out in the country, and it's witnessed by not sixty two
as was you know, originally reports, it's witnessed by much more and as
Fox revealed, it was witnessed by one of the teachers as well, who
was too afraid and even terrified to say anything. But that's you know,
there, it is, it's right there, and they're all saying essentially the
same exact thing, drawing the same pictures, and they're getting you know,
more important, they're getting the images of what you know, not all of
them, but the ones that were up close mostly received these these telepathic images.
So this to me is a watershed moment. It's nineteen ninety four,
this is before the internet and everything, where these kids would have known about
that, um, you know, and I doubt they had even seen et
You're at the moment, you know, let alone close encounters and stuff like
that where you see the typical you know, grazes they described. So you
know, a lot of them didn't even have TVs, you know, they
didn't have television. No, they were worried about getting in trouble for seeing
this thing, yeah, because they thought their parents are going to give them
grief and stuff. And some of the parents did. Some of the parents
thought it was demonic, yeah, and That's the other thing is you know,
that's another good reason for them not just to show up and start doing
you know, um Tucker Carlson and other shows on both sides, because you
know someone's going to come out and throw down on the demon card and say,
yeah, they're their hair. They're going to eat our souls, start
with their brains and then work their way to our souls. So yeah,
yeah, and you know, to be honest, I think the best way
for anyone who's approaching this or interested in this, or even has been at
this a long time, we have to kind of constantly remind ourselves what would
we do? Not that we're an indicator of, you know what what would
happen? But would we you know the prime directive Star Trek, are we
going to show up and we're going to like, you know, throw ourselves
a party, come with a boombox blaring and going, yo, guys,
what's up? We're just a few light years over. I heard you guys,
were you know, got some cool bands? No, we're going to
study them like entomologists. And as I said on your show, I get
really pissed off when I hear talk of that. You know, what would
they want with us. We're so primitive they could you know, they couldn't,
They could care less. And you know, as I said before,
this isn't an intelligence beauty contest. All life is of interest. You know,
one life form is not less valuable than another. So I think that
all of that has to be considered. And if that's the case, you
know, and if we were in that situation where we were so advanced and
we had survived the pettiness that that we have a lot on this earth,
what would we do and would be to check out other civilizations and see where
they're going. The question is do they nudge us? You know, do
they give a little you might want to not press that red button, you
know. So it's kind of yeah, I mean there's a lot of answers
by looking within and and you know, which is kind of tough because you
can't look at from the human perspective, right because that's just projecting, right,
Yeah, but you can't lift it. But you just did. You
just said, you know, we'd study them like we were studying ants.
Yeah, but you know why, Yeah, because there's one thing that I
think all intelligent life has across the board, and we see it here from
ants to humans, which is curiosity. I knew you're gonna say that,
Yeah, yeah, well yeah, I mean, if they didn't have curiosity,
You're right, they wouldn't even be exploring. Whatever they're exploring, whether
it's space or another dimension or whatever it is they wherever they come from there.
The only reason they'd be here is your right, curiosity. I would
think it wouldn't be by accident. No, but they want to be seen.
They do. Sometimes they've gotten, you know, lights flashing. What's
that all about? You don't need that. It's kind of like as a
as a great bishop would say, it's kind of this weird, you know,
kabuki, and probably Graham will will echo that as well. It's this
weird kabuki where they just you know, come and want to be seen and
and the people who see it are greatly affected. I've got a documentary film
A filmmaker friend of mine who called me last year and said, hey,
I need to talk to you. I understand that you're kind of into UFOs
and I said, yeah, sure, And he said, I saw something
at four am on my balcony and I don't believe in UFOs. Let me
just say that right off the bat. I think that whole thing is,
you know bs and where it And I go, okay, well you're entitled
to that, and he said, but this has got me shooken up,
shaken up. He said, I saw this silver craft going along silently and
maybe it was twenty five feet long, and it was moving along, had
this kind of blue light or flame in the back of it, and it
was moving along silently, and he said, just the appearance of it,
he could he had a sense this kind of connection. I'm not from here,
like he felt that. And then the light flashed and it was gone.
He says, it wasn't like you could see it take off. It
was just like gone, like it, you know, phased out. And
so he was calling me freaked out and like needed to be talked off,
you know, off the limb. And so I directed him to Earl Gray,
you know, move on, la director, which might have been a
bad thing, because who knows what Earl's gonna do. That guy's crazy.
No, so he you know, is going to kind of let him know.
Hey, you're one of many. You know, you don't have to
be a believer to witness things things. You know, my mother is seen
one my ex saw one. I've not seen one. That's not cool.
But you know that's why I think because I haven't seen one. That's why.
You know, when I say that I've seen something or or if someone
has given me some evidence, you know, I always say. You know,
I'm not an easy first date. You're not going to get far with
me on the first date. I have to be convinced. I have to
be proven, you know. I have to feel like it's genuine, it's
authentic, it's real love, and this is a real reality. And then
when it is I can give myself. But until then, I'm going to
have that wall. You're going to get the handshake at the end of the
night from me until you know I believe that that we have something legit.
I gotta tell you that you just brought up about the lights here, and
I had a science teacher the last time we brought this up. I asked
him if you'd come on the show and give his opinion, you know,
maybe just for a clip or something. But when it comes up about why
do you know UFOs seemed a lot of them seemed to have lights? He
came up. He wrote me this here, we as humans in the twenty
first centrally believe that the use of artificial light is limited to the following.
Well, it's kind of long for me to go into. He goes into
photography, vitamin D maintenance, and temperature drying and evaporating, sterilization, solar
energy, and then he goes on to what he thinks the possibility of UFOs.
Why they have lights, maybe censors for various applications, the source of
propulsion or an element that is needed for propulsion, the visual byproduct of photons
required to cloaking apparatus. Again, the byproduct of the use of photons stimulate
theorists magnetic field in order to open a gateway to a different dimension. He
has all these things simply navigation lights to one other crafts in their location.
Clearly, these things are solid objects and they can be susceptible to collisions.
The byproduct of the process to convert dark matter of dark energy into something else
like full fuel, food, water, oxygen, things like that. So
anyway, it's pretty interesting. This science teacher wrote me from Canada, um
and are one of those things? Are one of those things a sun lamp
that's right out there with their photo albums. We put remember a luminum foil
over that you get the home even yeah, yeah, yeah, again,
we don't know and all we can do is throw out our best guests.
But um, you know, I kind of look at at this from you
know what, what what could be? You know that first of all,
how they appear and disappear. If you can cloak yourself, why do you
appear? You know? And then you can tell me, well, it's
because they can't sustain that the whole time and they need to refuel or whatever.
But there's more than enough accounts and even with Fravers, you know,
Commander Fravor says, this thing became aware of me and it turned. It's
had like a dog going turned and looked and came at him like the whole
craft had awareness, which you know, all these things it might be weird
and outside the realm, but that's where that's where the clues are. It's
not in a clean, shiny, you know, frisbee looking craft that comes
and lands and they get out and everything. It's it's the stuff before and
after that you see, or the things that just seem so bizarre for the
longest time, and this has happened many a time where I feel like I
have it. I think I've got it figured out. I think I've got
a clue here, I've got a threat, and I tug and the whole
thing comes apart. And that's happened many a time. One of the times
was what I kept hearing about deceased relatives who are on these crafts, and
I thought, well, if they're traveling the astral plane, which you know,
my background was much more in spirituality, you know, Tibetanism and Buddhism,
and so taking those things from reincarnation and everything and looking at you know,
when you die, you do carry on. I believe that all matter,
you know as energy and energy can't be destroyed. And I thought,
if they're phasing or they're traveling in the astral plane, you might see that.
So if you are are same materialized into their you know, their channel,
their dimension, and you're in the astral plane, you might see stuff
like that, so it won't be so weird. And so someone may argue,
well, they're tricksters and they're trying to make you feel at home.
It's like, well, if they're doing that, then, as Travis Walton
says, why don't they all just look like us? That'll make us feel
much better. You know, you can pick the celebrity. If you want
George Clooney to abduct you, they look like George Clooney or whatever. I
might not do George cloning myself. But um, the point is that that
maybe evil Kinneval, that would be great to see him. I miss him.
Um. But uh so that is its own weirdness and that is its
own clue. So you have to put that up on the board, you
know. And it's and it's not always neat, but there's something, there's
something there that they're able to do that. And so when people are transferred
through walls and windows, that means they're changing the composition, the physical composition
of these people and and doing this, and the crafts the way that they're
you know, moving and stuff, and you can almost see through them.
These are all little clues. So not to skip ahead to the to the
punch line or the finish line. But lastly, the thing that's interesting is
when it's time for us to discover these things and understand it. You know,
we have an agreement with them or with their reality, and they have
to agree. They have to come halfway on the bridge and say all right,
we'll meet you halfway. Here's what we are and this is what we
can do, etc. And so there's a reason why, you know,
we don't have those nuts and bolts pictures right now. Maybe the military does,
but I think there's a reason why we don't have a proof that everyone,
you know, from Neil de grasse Tyson to even Seth so Stack goes,
all right, this is it. So my question is, how come
we don't have that? How come we don't have that smoking gun? Why
don't we have that now? And is it a bad thing that we don't
And what would the smoking gun look like exactly? You know, that's because
whatever we think we've have for data right now isn't enough to convince a large
enough body of people. And what would it take to convince a large enough
body of people that you know, we're not alone? But I don't know,
you know, let's just say it's what we're seeing. And I'm just
throwing this out there because I don't know. But let's just say they're extraterrestrial.
That's what we're seeing. You know that that's one of the biggest theories
I think our biggest possibilities to some of at least some of these things that
show up. Um, what would be you know, a structured craft on
the ground with beings that would be able to be explored, you know by
scientists. Is that what it would be? It's hard. It's hard.
One could argue that's already been done because scientists have had their own experiences,
right, Um, you know, and if you want some incredible you've got
you know, Lonnie's and Mora, You've got Commander favor. So these people
have seen these things, you know, they haven't gone up and kicked the
tires. Jim Peniston, did you know Rendal Shim He went and did it.
So it's like if some were to say to me before Rendal Shim,
I want some in the military who's gone up and touched one of these things
and had their own experience. Show me that and then you know, give
me someone credible, you know, then I'll go there. Well that happened.
So every time we moved and you know, move the ball down the
field, it seems like the goalposts it's you know, slid further and further
back. So all we can do is look at what we do have now
and say, okay, so what is the next step and the next step
is, Okay, there's two in my head. I carry these two things.
One is you have to have your own personal experience. Once you've done
that, then then that reality has crossed over. Right, then it's become
a part of their reality. And even then there's going to be some questions
that will come and linger in waves, right, but leash you can go
will this happen? And you need to have a witness. I think that's
imperative. And the second thing is what would it be, you know,
personally for me, because it's going to be personal to everyone, and so
experience their evidence to me that that is just as as profound as any religious
you know, claims of seeing angels or God, Jesus, etc. Is
um that these people suffer from you know, experiences suffer from PTSD. You
can't fake PTSD, then I'm aware of and so um, you know,
if that's the case, then these people are suffering. And again I'm going
to hit this note kind of hard, and in my doc I do touch
on this. You know, making fun of people are not believing someone who
who has symptoms of of you know, of what they've had and whether it's
good or bad, they're always is trauma attached to it. It's like saying
to someone, oh, you were accosted and you were molested. Really was
the van white or was it silver or was it black? You know?
Was it you know, was it rope or was it you know? It's
making fun of that, and you would never do that to someone in that
situation. So why would you do that with someone who has, you know,
claims of this Whether you believe it or not, they believe it is
what's important. So you have to hold on one hand, it's a personal
thing. The second is, let's walk through the scenario of what it would
be like in our best case scenario. Best case scenario is maybe they don't
land at the white hot House. They land at a fair or something where
people aren't prepared and they don't have weapons nearby. Though if it's in Texas
that might not be the case. But say a fair, you know,
somewhere and maybe Seattle. Would you say they would land there a bunch of
people, everyone's got their cell phones and stuff, and if they're not doing
this, if they look up and see this, they videotape this, they
have it, there's encounters all that stuff. I think that would be and
from different angles, because it's all about triangulating, you know, which is
what Mark D'Antonio was working on with his Fay would Dug Trumble and a few
others have the same type of program where they're looking at you know, getting
all these different angles. So we would have that and then we have this.
Okay, so this is gold. So we have it. We take
it back and we put it online and everyone sees it and it gets millions
of hits and everyone's like, wow, this is it. And then the
debunkers you know, come in, and then it comes in it's news,
and then it goes and did it change anything? They came they did this
well the military when they came out in twenty seventeen, the Navy and said,
yes, these things have been occurring, this is it. It's already
been legitimized. So it's now just seeing the occupants whoever is flying these these
things. So now they're not unmanned drones. Now there's something now you see
that. So again, what is the ultimate end game? And I always
ask you four researchers this and fans of this field, this unique field,
I go, what is the ultimate goal? Guys? Is what do we
want, and if it's that we want to have confirmation that there's life elsewhere,
well, I think the odds are that we know that that's the case.
Do we want confirmation that they're humanoids? Well, that's uncertain, which
is why I kind of lean a little bit terre equally into Michael Masters who
says that they could be from the future, because you know, if this
hybrid program as an example, if that's real, they're not going to be
able to breed with another species. I mean, they might have technology,
but it would be much easier. Let's say, if they're from the future,
and the way that that Mike has mapped out, Michael has mapped out
where we've come and where we're going, we're ending up looking like them.
I mean, it sounds like that's pretty irrefutable at this point. So if
they're coming back in time and they're breeding with us because there's too much you
know, inbreading going on, and I guess they've got ban Joe's in the
future, I don't know then will get that reference, but maybe a few.
Yeah, that's okay, it's just for the few. Um, So
I think that that's um you know something that again it's it's, you know,
the humanoid thing. That's I think life has already been visiting us in
so many different forms. We haven't a clue. We have not a clue.
There's no way they're not you know, and they're not all going to
look like us. And and you know, I was interviewing Michael for my
doc and I said masters, And I said, how come no one talks
about reptilian hybrids little reptilian children are mantis? So maybe there's something to what
he's saying, which is that you know, they look like us or the
humanoids or humanoids because maybe they you know, you know, are us.
And what does that mean? Because at some point we're going to figure out
time travel and that whole thing where you can only go back to the moment
you created it. We don't we don't know what we don't know. And
that's the biggest thing that I like to throw out to every single scientist that
loves to throw down and says, look, here are the laws and blah
blah blah. And I'm like, every law that I know has been broken
so well. I recently was in Arizona speaking with Mark Dantonio. We had
several nights where we were hanging out together and we talked to a lot.
He's got a really interesting theory about extinction events and you know how things may
have been so much different. And one of them is the dinosaurs, because
you know, the dinosaurs, some of them were around like three hundred million
years and one of them, in particular, the brain. They could see
the brain was getting larger. And so if that extinction event did not happen
where they were wiped out, you know, would we be having reptilians.
You know that we're intelligent and learn how to you know, build things and
and actually you know, do things in the future. I mean, it's
pretty pretty fascinating. And that's when the man, you know, the mammals
took over after that extinction event. But if that hadn't happened, we would
certainly be very different than we are today. Right, But then the big
question is why did that extinction event happen their time? Yeah, it being
here for so long, you know, and yeah, yeah we have.
We're going into a break here in like two minutes just to let you know.
And actually the clip I'm going to talk about as a girl named Denise,
she was at the boot camp out in Arizona, and I am down
to just a couple of clips every week. I'd like to run a clip
that is a UFO sighting. So I just saw someone David in Chat just
a little while ago, said he had a very unique UFO sighting. I
am recording with these people. This one in particular was at the boot camp,
so it's a little bit loud for background noise, But for those of
you who have had a unique UFO sighting, I'd like to talk to you
see if it would be something we can make a clip with and have these
because I'm getting a lot of people saying they're really enjoying these UFO incidents,
you know, on the clips in between the show, so we can I
think we can roll right into that. Hopefully, Bill, we'll be ready
over there, and when we come back, i'd like to talk about more
of where you think the UFO community is headed and with the information we have,
you know from the government, how they're taking this more seriously, the
path forward, etc. Etc. We'll make it up as we go like
we usually do. Dean, all right, all right, so hanging there
everyone over at kg R A Radio will be right back. It's about a
five minute break and here is Denise. She had a cigar shaped UFO sighting
back in nineteen seventy three. Here we go, So Tenis has been nice
meeting you here at the boot camp, the moof On boot Camp. But
I want to hear about your UFO sighting you had in nineteen seventy three.
In nineteen seventy three, guests, I was fourteen years old and this occurred
in upstate New York, in a town called Greece. And it occurred at
the end of the summer, towards the beginning of the school year, probably
the end of August, beginning of September. And I was riding my bicycle
with my girlfriend from my house to her house, and it was twilight or
approaching twilight, And as we came up to a path that cut through the
back of the high school and through the football field, I felt compelled to
look to my right, and to my right there were a bank of trees,
and I saw a very large craft rise from behind the trees and almost
right about tree top level. It was quiet. There was like no perturberation
of the air or anything. It was just like silent, and it came
over the trees and started moving in our direction, and she and I got
off our bikes and lean them up against the bleachers, and the craft came
towards us and very very close. I can't tell how many feet, but
it was just a little bit above the bleachers. And I can describe the
craft to you, Yeah, I'd love to hear. There were some symbols
on the bottom linet. The central part of the body was like cigar shaped,
and there were three appendages coming out from one side and from the other,
and they ran parallel to each other, and there were lights at the
end of each of those appendages. Wow, the craft was very large,
as large as a football field, if maybe not even bigger. And so
there were these symbols on the bottom that looked like they kind of looked like
hieroglyphics or maybe Russian letters. But I was fourteen, so my interpretation of
what I was seeing was limited based on that, because I don't really have
any true recollection of what they look like now. I just remember what my
impression was then. So the next thing I know, she and I were
standing there, and next thing I know, it's dark. Not too much
later. Couldn't have been too much later, because we both had a curfew.
Okay, Lamascus, did you did you remember seeing it leave and then
or was it just all of a sudden it was dark? Well, well
it was and the craft was still there, and we were standing there looking
up at it, and from our vantage point we could see these these winds
look like windows, square shaped, and there was like an amber glow to
them coming from the inside. And I could see silhouettes of occupants. Did
they look humanoid in a way, would you say? Or larger heads?
I mean, I don't want to lead you by saying the larger heads things.
But did they look like normal size heads than humanoids? It's very hard
for me to tell, you know, at this point it was a long
time ago, right, I can just tell you what my impressions were at
the moment. Yeah, And there were no details. It was just a
black silhouette, and there was movement, you could tell that they were moving
and then m Yeah, and the ships silently just rifted towards our left.
I don't know what direction that was. And she and I got in our
bikes and we rode to her house. And when we got to her neighborhood,
there were a lot of people standing under driveways, looking at the lights
and talking about it. She and I never spoke of it again, really,
and I've heard that many times. I ran into her about I don't
know a few years ago at the gym and ast got it and she refused
to discuss it. Did she seem scared? The shades went down. She's
like, I don't want to talk about that. Wow, all right,
thank you so much. That was really interesting. Welcome back everyone. My
guest looks like he's away from his desk. I don't know if he had
his time run, but we have Dean Aliotto. I'm looking at an empty
chair. He shall be back, but again I am looking here he is.
I am looking for people that how do UFO sighting like Denise and would
like to talk about it. And also I had a woman named deb On
I don't know, maybe a month and a month and a half ago,
that talked about her schoolyard sighting. At some point, I'm gonna release her
original video and I'll let people know when I do that. I had her
on as a guest kind of at the last minute, but I do have
an original video. The first time she told the story. Very interesting story
and welcome back Tom Sor right. I had to call Denise and and open
up my documentary and put in this new interview. This is how it happens.
Every time I think I'm done, they pull you back. Yeah,
that was a strange encounter. And I don't know if you caught this,
but she said on the three appendages on each side, they had lights at
the end of them. Here we are lights again, back with lights.
It's interesting because you were asking her and that would be very hard to hold
up in a court because you were leading the witness, sir um. She
was reticent to say what it is. And usually when people really want to,
you know, come out and grandstand about something and make more of something
that maybe is you know, what it was, or even if it exists,
they don't do that. She was, you know, very shy about
doing that. I always look, you know, towards that if it's someone
who's you know, freely throwing down and gets into it and can be led.
She was not. She just told you these are the facts. This
is what I remember. And yeah, you know again, it's it's you
know, it's this personal thing that she's held onto, right, and you
know it's it's it is a you know, she was a person that I
sort of had to talk into telling her story. She had told her story
to my friend Donnan that was out there with me, and she was reluctant
to talk about it. So, you know, she told she had told
Donna, but I had not told me at that point. I mean,
she would not. She was not really excited about telling the story. And
again that's another thing, you know, I mean that makes you wonder about
you know, there's so many of these these stories. I don't know if
this has happened to you. But when you're out and about and you may
have a conversation with someone in public, does it ever come up? Do
you say, well, I'm actually doing a film a series on UFOs.
Do you ever say that in public? And then people will say to you,
oh, well you should hear what happened to my uncle or something like
that. Does that happen to you all the time? I'll say, can
I have my bacon on the side, have everything in the UFOA just to
check, just to check, I'm you know, if it seems like it's
it makes sense. I shot at this location a couple of weeks ago,
and this guy that I was filming at had a UFO coffee table book and
I said, oh, you're in the uf and he goes, yeah,
why He looked at me like, you know, what do you know about
UFOs? You know, it's kind of like, well, I know the
secret handshake, you're ready for this and so UM he was telling me about
his UM you know what what he had known. He shared the story with
me that I'm hoping to get more information on UM. But it's you know,
they're out there and it doesn't take you know much. I mean,
if you look at the odds of you know, what the gallop poles were
and everything, of how many people have seen things, you know, it's
a lot. You're on a plane, imagine you get on a plane and
there's a certain percentage of people that have seen something that's nuts right there.
That's nuts. And it's kind of like this weird taboo thing like you know
you can't talk about you know UM, you know you can't talk about I'm
just gonna say it's sex, like you can't openly talk about it. But
you know there are people that are doing it. It's so you know,
it's it's it's something that's a part of it. It's almost like a part
of society where it's like this is an aspect of of of experience that comes
with being a human and this isn't the only generation that has experienced that.
So again, you know, when we're going to get to a place or
we stopped doing that, you know, it's it's you know, and I'm
not going to get into the whole thing about the government saying, you know,
let's um discredit these people, let's you know, ridicule them to the
point that no one wants to come out because we were getting too many calls
and we're tying up the government's lines during that that point. Not that that
isn't true, but certainly that was you know, seventy years ago. It's
a different case now. And so yeah, the nineteen fifty three Robertson panel
was basically just that. For those of the you that are new, you
can google that and check that out. But um, yeah, it's it's
and you know, I don't know if you ever caught this clip with it's
a It was about John mac when he was having all that trouble with Harvard,
and I think it was it was some known figure I can't think of
who was a law professor there at Harvard that says, sure, well,
we kind of talk about, you know, about angels, and you know
that's okay to to believe in angels, but you certainly can't believe about aliens,
you know. Yeah, so, which I think is a good.
Yeah, And there's more evidence to support aliens than there are angels. You
know, how many times has angels left I guess the stigmatas you could say
that, but have left marks, little scoop marks and stuff, you know,
not many that I'm aware of, Yeah, you know. And then
what is an angel? I mean, as Diana Pasalka has has you know
done in her research? Was it? Uh? Sister Avalon Mary, Saint
Mary of Avalone who said that she had this experience she thinks it's an angel,
doesn't look like one and ended up probing her with this Wand what what
angels probe? Hmm, well rogue aliens? Yeah, well we can do
a survey on that if you'd like. Sure, what angels probe? But
anyway, No, that's that's interesting because you know, I mean, you
go back throughout time in the lore, there was always something you know,
and is it all fictional? You know, whether it's the elves or lepricaans
or you know, but you know, who knows what it is exactly that
people claim to have seen all the way, you know, all the way
back then. And then there's the big Foot aspect. There's all ghosts,
there's all, you know. I don't really want to lump UFOs in to
what I consider the paranormal realm because there's so much, you know, evidence
out there that these things are happening. The question I remember Sam Moranto used
to get really upset when he was asked, oh, so you you believe
in UFOs? He said, there's nothing to believe in. They're here,
the the you know, the evidence is all around us. So yeah,
I'm again, it's kind of like a again, you're tugging at the thread
of where our beliefs are at this time. And you know, and you
test the metal of them. As much as I don't want to conflate Bigfoot
and with all this stuff, and just want to believe that it's probably just
a bear on its hind legs, which they do that all the time.
There's too much weirdness around that. My rabbit hole that I'm working in is
the UFO alien one, which includes the perimeter triangle and everything else. But
where I am looking down, I'm focusing on that. I haven't broaden it
into that yet. So, you know, I think there's an argument that
if you're going to get into paranormal, you have to throw in, you
know, something that appears and disappears in your room at will. I think
that kind of falls under what is normal. And again it depends what your
definition of normalists. If your definitionists, oh, that's normal, you know,
seeing spirits, you know, and that's normal. I mean, chiefs,
if you go to Louisiana and you want to sell your home, you
better have a spirit a history of spirits in there, because that that helps
increase the value from what I hear from bodies. Yeah yeah, I love
that stuff. So but can you imagine saying that, oh, yeah,
we've been abducted several times in this house. That back room there, Yeah,
used to calm get my kids go right through that. You know,
Oh that's great, Okay, here's another hundred thousand. It doesn't work that
way with that goes from more acceptable. There seemed to be more of vine.
Then you know, whenes that come in and and you know, do
their thing turn off? Your spouse and everything. I have a friend that
does real estate and I was doing an auction at a home, took all
the antiques out of it, and the family came in from out of town
and they were looking for a real estate agent. So I hooked them up
with my friend and he sold their property. He called me, I don't
know, maybe six months later, and he said, did you know that
house was haunted? And I said, no, what happened? And I
was dealing with the woman they built it on the gravestones. Yeah. She
was in her nineties and wonderful woman, and there was some friction in the
family and she wanted her family to have all the pieces to say that were
family pieces for generations. And they came in and they told me sell everything,
and said, well, you know your you know your grandmother really wanted
these to stay in the family. They said, sell it all. No,
I'm not I'm not going to say that's the reason that things were happening.
But the people that bought the house said all the furniture kept rearranging in
the attic. They could hear it scraping on the floor and they'd run up
and it would be in different places. Um, so but in the state
of I know we're way off the track of UFOs, But in the state
of New Hampshire, if the real estate agent knows something ahead of time that
there was things going on in the house, he's supposed to put it in
the contract disclosure. Yes, that's called disclosure. Is that interesting? Yeah?
Yeah, But I don't know how that's in other states. But that's
that's pretty strange. About the Spirit and Louisiana. Where have you said interesting?
But so you were at the conference, I want to say, was
it twenty eighteen, so then again in nineteen Yeah, so this is post
post the two thousand and seventeen article that came out December sixteenth. I got
there in March, the end of March of that following year, so literally
within months of that announcement coming up. I had planned to come out before
that happened, and so it was still you know, the scuttle button when
I came and did your podcast. Ye, we had Stan Freemans and directly
across from me, and then we had uh Chis, we had Stephen Bassett.
Oh you talked about the whole group. We did the round robin.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the round robin and so we're all, you
know, talking about that and um and I think to the Stars Academy had
just been kind of announced. I think that was the big, the other
big news thing that was going down. So you actually came into back,
I should say, back into this to look at it seriously on a different
level than we've seen for years, you know, because it was just taboo
more or less. And so my question to you, have you seen a
change since you started digging back into this. Have you seen a change in
the state of ufology overall? Uh? Yeah, I mean it's something that's
always going to be changing with any field, right and even if it's you
know, hunting meteors meteorites. For me, it was something that I had
been kind of, you know, adjacent to the phenomena. I would dip
in and dip out, you know. I'd always listened to Coast to Coasts
and Arc Bell and stuff like that and George Knapp, etc. And and
so I kind of got to a place where because I had made this,
this movie, which I didn't think was very good. In fact, I
remember going to the screen that we had the two screens, especially the one
that was a fantastic fest and it was a sold out audience, and I
said to my girlfriend Ali, I said, get us, get us seat
on the aisle, because this could go back, because I hadn't seen it
in so many years. And then I watched it and realized that it wasn't
just kind of fun and and and pay somewhat well, it was also a
time stamp of the eighties, and so this whole new audience was all over
it because it was this analog vibe, you know, shot on videotape and
not digital, and so it ended up, you know, having this kind
of this time capsule type thing that you know, seemed to age well.
I'm not sure that any of my other projects did. But I've worked in
all different genres, and the one genre that I kept coming back to again
and again, even with the remake that I did for UPN was aliens and
UFOs. And then when I went or just before when I started to you
know, put together my lecture that I would be giving at International UFO Congress,
I realized that a third of my IP was all UFO alien related and
realized that it's kind of always been there, and I'd read the books and
they would come out. I think I went through a period where the last
book I had read was John Max Abduction or Passport. Maybe it was maybe
that was the last one, or maybe it was one of David Jacobs,
but I remember that was it where I kind of hit the wall and went,
Okay, I need to take a little break. And so it's been
kind of a bit of this and that, and from twenty seventeen on,
I've I've kept one foot in the rabbit hole. And what I've seen is
that there's a whole new generation coming up, and I keep waiting for them
to step in the bear trap, you know, where they're going to believe
everything and say oh, this and that, but they're not. I have
a section in my documentary where we look at the new, the new you
know UFO researchers, and these were some of the most grounded people. You
know. They're coming at this with them an attitude that's kind of similar with
what I was saying earlier, which is, you know, show me the
money, you know, prove prove your your your commitment to me that you
know the truth, proved to me, the commitment to the truth, and
then I can go there. Than we have something to to sit and talk
about and so that was really refreshing. So I'm very very encouraged with that,
whereas before it was just kind of like, I think everything just got
lumped in, and now people are doing more all a heart. I would
say that's the biggest thing that I noticed, where it's like, I like
this, this resonates with me, and this doesn't UM. So that's,
you know, first and foremost the thing that I'm that I'm encouraged by UM.
But I'm not encouraged by is um anyone's saying they have all the answers
they don't uh. And you know, be wary of the person who does
that to me, is uh is you know that's a that's a sign,
that's you know, a sign that some it is coming at this from maybe
you know, more of an ego place then than a truthful thing, because
you know, as a filmmaker, I don't know everything I've made, you
know how many films and stuff and projects. I'm still learning and I always
want to be a student. That way I have room to grow. Otherwise
there's nothing to learn or you know whatever. But you know, these people
that came out, the one thing that's kind of disturbing is these people who
came out and they they hijack people and their beliefs like the Benowits case,
and they get you know, lauded these people that have done it. I
don't understand that. I know, I won't get into it because I forgot
it was on your show last week or already threw down Chris Lambright talking about
the Paul Benowitz case. And Chris will be on some time in January.
Okay. Oh, and speaking of that, I should probably bring this up
real quickly and we'll jump right back on that. Is that I just received
from from Luel Osando's wife that he has to do a media blackout. He
was coming up in a couple of weeks. He has to do a media
blackout until March, so he'll he said that I'll be this will be one
of the first podcasts or if not the first first podcast he'll be on,
you know, apologetically to have to bow out for December fourteenth. So I
just wanted to bring that back, but continue on. Well, I didn't
get that email, so, um, I don't know what that's all about.
Yeah, and I you know, know his wife as well, so
what Jennifer very nice? Yeah, Yeah, she's great. Um So anyway,
Yeah, so that's kind of a little bit of a bump that,
you know, how people get made into you know, again, it's a
it's extending that fifteen minutes of fame. I've not done another UFL convention since
I started my documentary, not at one because you were anything to say,
you were invited to. Yeah, and I begged to be on just so
I could say I'm not going to do it just I can make my point
because I have nothing new to say. Yeah, which is why you know,
we talked about kind of my history with the found footage stuff. I'm
sorry for those who've already seen that. I always want to bring something new
to the table because every time you speak, you know, have something new
to say, It's an opportunity and shed light where it needs to be shed.
So yeah, anyway, yeah, and you know, I had this
up. Someone contacted me recently and they asked me what are the best UFO
videos to watch? And I don't know at this point in the correspondence,
I'm not sure. I mean, I get a lot of email. I
try to answer every single one of them when I can, and you know,
I'm not sure if this person is looking for I want to go on
YouTube and see a video clip of a UFO, or they want to watch
something like the phenomenon out of the Blue, something like that. Those are
all really solid videos that are out there for consumption. And and I also
think very right off the top. Yeah, and I also think that Ross
Cold Hearts Cold Hearts one for Channel seven that's up on the internet with millions
of views. That's a really good one that came out. I don't know
just what two months ago, something like that. And he last week it
was announced that he's he's coming out with something else. I don't I don't
know if you know anything about that. You wanted to look into it,
I don't know if you had a chance, did you. Yeah, No,
I have to reach out to to Ross and see what's going. But
supposedly I don't even know this because one of your guests said that or you
brought it up that he was getting ready to throw it down on something.
So I'm curious what that is. Yeah, it was actually someone in the
chat room. And I think I'm going to open up the phone lines,
you know, ten minutes early, and hopefully Bill will hear that. But
we're going to open the phone lines now, so if anyone would like to
call in, that numbers up on the screen. It's eight five five four
seven two five four eighty three. I guess the top of the night.
The topic of the night is basically, you know, the state of the
Union of Uthology. I guess we'll put it that way. Yeah. Yeah,
So when you looked at this before, obviously you did. You did
overall. You looked at this back when you were you had to create that
movie back in nineteen eighty nine. You had to look into it a little
bit. Then. That's prior internet, prior to ways of researching. Um
was it? Did you look into books to try to figure out how are
you going to make this abduction movie? Yeah? There was this thing it
looks very similar to this, which is what I'm going to start reading.
Um and uh, it's a book. They call these books and they have
and then the thing called the library. I heard about that or is that
librry? I can't remember? Yeah, yeah, um, I don't know
where you put the accent library or library? Um, there was. It
was funny when I was selling my swag my videos at the conference, people
would come up a certain percentage that would come and say, do you have
any books? And I would say, no, but I have something better.
I have this, And I realized that that was the wrong answer because
books allow you to take it in and to not have a music score telling
you how to feel. You can just disseminate, you know, as you
want. So, um, a big fan of books, but I did.
I threw down on a whole bunch of books. Um, you know,
even Roswell books at the time and everything, and so all of those
were you know, again communions scared the shit out of me. Excuse my
French, but it really terrified me because it was it was well written,
and it was it was you know, as we say, played straight,
and what he was describing there was just something that you know, resonated with
it's authenticity and so um, it was you know, it was a big
influence. And of course Spielberg was my first you know influence that and In
Search Of that series In Search Of was always my favorite. So before I
got in, yeah, before I got into actually making content, healing content,
um, I would dip in and out, dip in and out,
and then I found that around the two thousands, I went, you know,
again, almost full rabbit hole and have been in there and find it
endlessly fascinating. And you know, I'm I have some theories and some ideas
on where the you know, where the the research and the phenomenon is heading.
Two. Okay, well, well we'll touch on that. We have
a caller, we'll touch on that. Just remember that, we'll get back
to it. Jeff is on the line from Indiana. Jeff, you're live
on the air. Welcome to the show. Yeah, good evening, Good
evening, even Jeff. Yeah, I can barely hear um. I just
want to say I'm not very I'm very good speaker, and I'm usually not
very prepared on something like this. But on the first hand, experiencer very
close range broad daylight. I've called him before. Martin Bride knows who I
am. I said him a picture here a while back up some stills I've
taken of them. I can see them periodically at will. My wife can
also, and which proves absolutely nothing unless like I've seen it. Stay.
A good term is if you can kick the tires on one, we're not
going to learn anything. But we had, like you know, forty feet
from our face experience of these things moving over us. And it was out
of the blue. We were sixty some years old when it happened. I
was always interested in it, but we never ever saw anything. And the
first thing it happens in your mind is it's racing to try to figure out
what you're looking at, and you have nothing in your arsenal in your mind
to describe what you're looking at, because it is so strange, is absolutely
mind blowingly strange. It almost gives you a feeling of divinity, like that's
something God would write it, you know. And I was not afraid.
We were not afraid. It was like I was just ecstatic. I said,
look, these things are real. We're witnessing it. You know.
My wife was standing out of the side of the car in a ditch and
I was standing almost on the road because we pulled over to see them.
And we're watching two and tandem go away. And then the fella lived right
there came up there and I grew up with and I pointed them out to
him, and you know, they're only forty feet off the ground, and
they're moving about fifteen miles an hour, and they're this brilliant orange paul sating
the red almost like a heartbeat. Ranges the red like this red light would.
And then a few minutes later, a single came from behind us,
and then a few minutes after that, another single one came from behind us.
They were all four identical, and I got the feeling. I told
my wife, I said, those two that just came over us were watching
us. Watched the first two. That's the feeling I had, like they
were watching our reaction. But I've researched. This happened in twenty twelve.
I've researched this. Moufon came out, they wanted me to become a field
investigator. I refused because you know, I don't know if most people don't
know this. The majority of Moufon's field investigators have never seen a UFO.
They're operating strictly on faith. So they're like guys like me that have seen
them daylight, we know they're real. I've had conversations with jan Har and
he had the same experience with his brother daylight sighting like this very close.
And but I didn't want to. I just didn't want to. I thought
I was being more commercialized, and I was dead serious about this because I
saw this, and I don't know if it's disturbing. I don't figure.
I don't care if the government came out on every night at five o'clock.
I said, they're real, They're real, They're real. It doesn't matter,
it doesn't you're still not gonna if you're trying to attain the unattainable.
We're cavemen trying to figure out God. More or less. They might as
well be God, because that's how advanced they are, I presume, and
really always seeing what they are. Are they projecting our mind what we want
them to see? Are they creating the old scenario right before our eyes?
It's just so bizarre. And yes, Martin, I believe it should be
class fight in the paranormal because it's definitely not normal. And there's always things
I want to say in my mind goes blank on this, But well,
it doesn't matter that people don't believe. Yeah you do, you believe?
No, do you believe? You? I believe. It still doesn't matter.
It doesn't tell us what they are, right, Jeff. Yes,
So I have to respectfully disagree with you on two things. Number one is
you are a very eloquent speaker. You you I was there, you visually
created it for me there forty feet moving silently, so don't worry about you
articulating yourself. That was I totally get it. U. Second thing is,
you know. I said the same thing to to Ivan Smith after I'd
gone to her experiencer group. And it was really funny because I showed up
there and all of them said to me that I looked really for milliar and
they were messing with me. I think they were messing with me like they've
seen me on the ship or something before. And so I said to Yvonne,
I said, why am I compelled? I'm literally, like last April,
I turned down a feature film during the pandemic to shoot a feature film.
It was a multimillion dollar budget, the whole thing, and I turned
it down because I had to finish this documentary. I was afraid that I
wasn't going to finish it if I paused. And so I said, why
am I so compelled? I've never been so compelled on any other project that
I've I've done before. I don't I don't understand what's going on. And
she looked at me, laughed and said and I said, you know,
and I don't get because I'm not an experiencer I haven't seen anything that I
can quantify as you know, what is this uh you know object that I've
not seen before? And she laughed and said, Dean, they don't have
to knock on your door in order to influence you. And so because you
know, Spielberg has never seen a UFO either, but he sure as hell
knows how to make movies at the same of the Cooper. So my feeling
is that you do want people like John mac who are investigating this, because
they're going to be applying a certain non projected regiment to understanding this that someone
who has had an experience, although that is very valuable in the field,
might not have. It's like a detective doesn't have to be you know,
a shot at etc. To go and investigate a crime scene, right,
So I would just say leave a little room for those people of us out
here that are trying desperately to understand this, you know, even if it's
to get as close as we can to have in our own experience. But
you know, everyone's trying to find answers. At the end of the day,
you know, the answer doesn't work care work came from right, Yeah,
yeah, yeah, Jeff, you I think we're having a lot of
phone noise here, so but anyway, I do appreciate the call to thank
you, thank you, thanks, all right, all right, so next
on the line we have can call it from la Ken. You're live on
the show. Yeah, I just want to say that I've been following this
show both thing for like over forty years, and I have heard so many
reports of UFOs happening on this planet. I've heard about so many reports of
underwater usos being seen, and I've also heard reports of UFOs coming in and
out of the oceans. So it's kind of obvious to me that there must
be some advanced civilizations that live in our oceans, you know. And there
was also the story of Admirable Bird going to the Antarctic and you know,
encountering this other civilization that they actually had a battle with. And I don't
think that story is fake, but yeah, and then you know, our
navy has admitted that they encounter up those every single day, So again it's
kind of obvious to me that we're not a lonumous planet they have. It
hasn't been every single days. I think it skips every few days now.
It's if you talk to the people who are involvement nimuts. They say that
they hadn't seen this before. Some people had the week before that that was
showing up. But Ken, absolutely, I think there's more evidence. And
if I was going to point my cameras in a direction, it would be
the oceans. I think that there have been so many sightings going in and
everyone assumes that they're from another planet because you look up and you see them
as they're you know, flying above the landscape. But it could equally equally
as easily be coming from the oceans and stuff. And the way that they
go in where it looks like the water kind of moves around them with this
field that they've created anti gravitational field or or some other means. So um,
you know, and the fact that matters. We know more about space
than we know about our oceans. So there already is life there, life
that we don't even know exists. So um, the fact that there could
be something even beyond that, you know, I would say we shouldn't be
surprised by that. Well. I I also along those lines, Dean,
you have to think, okay, if so they are living under their here
I am. I'm thinking of this again as anthem por anthem. What am
I trying to say human like thoughts is what would they be doing there?
They can't be going around like, you know, swimming around under there,
or have any environment me sing, don't make me sing the theme to Disney's
I Know the Sea. That's all I have to say. No, But
it just you know, what type of environment could they have under the ocean,
you know, I mean that's another speculative question. Well, or it
could be that they go through there and they're going into their own dimension and
it's just the you know, the way that they're traveling that it isn't actual
a physical See again, we have to kind of say, all right,
we think it could be this physical thing, but doesn't have to be.
What if it's something else that it's not a physical place, it's it's a
if you were portal. Yeah, you know, I'm not a big fan
of the wormhole stuff. Not not that I'm discounting it. I'm just saying
that just seems so volatile. It seems like there's got to be other ways
to travel. Then, you know, I think the way that they're doing
this is so easy that you know, when I hear about folding time and
stuff. You know certainly that that factors into it. But you know when
I hear it, well, we should be able to go four light years
away, and if we have the right technology, we could do that eight
years that's too long. Whatever they're doing, it's instantaneous, and I think
every planet maybe has its own different frequencies that they're tuning in. Why not
we know that the Higgs Bog collider they found eleven dimensions so far, So
you know, we're at the precipice of understanding what we don't understand what we
don't know. That's right, Bill, Bill commented, you just sent a
chat to me. The ocean may be a barrier to keep us out of
reach. And for all we know, they can have underground bases underwater,
which is you know, I mean, crazy as it sounds, it's it's
possible. You get down just of short way down there and it's black.
You know they're okay, right, But let me ask you this. How
many times I'm curious how many times have the projected warnings at the aliens and
parted telepathically to these experiences? Have they talked about the oceans as well?
So if I'm living there specifically, I'm living. Actually, that would be
the first thing I would say, is hey, really to me to throw
your plastic bag in the ocean? The straws, it's mostly above land.
They do include it, I know they do, but I would hit that
one pretty hard if I was physically living, you know, under there.
I wonder if it's the sushi. I wonder if that's what it is.
Yeah, yeah, but again, why are they going out and coming back?
Where are they going? That's why I'm so disturbed when I hear these
critics, you know, uh talk about you know, like Neil de grasse
Tyson, they're just if you see them, they're they're flying. If they
exist, when they're flying everything, it's like, really, you're gonna appear
here and you're not going to pull over. Maybe you're not gonna hit in
and ut Burger, but you know you might pull over, stretch out for
a little bit, check something. You know, you're not just going to
fly through. And if it's a drone, why doesn't need to be forty
feet long? We have drones right now that are the size of you know,
flies, right, that's right. I heard Neil de grasse Tyson recently
say, why is it only the military that sees these things. And you
know, I mean what you're not paying attention, nail? Yeah, for
the past seventy years. Right, Um, let's see do we still have
is it cannon? You still there? Ken? I think Kenn has gone.
So the line is open and that's eight five five four seven two five
four eighty three. Are you welcome to throw us a question? A DNA
question? But yeah, you know, the the moving between you know,
the different mediums is fascinating to me because first of all, you know,
I know I brought this up many times, and but why isn't there a
sonic boom? And why aren't there splashes in the water, you know,
when these things seem to go down into the water. And and you know,
Mark d' antonio was on board where a submarine where a vehicle was traveling
at several hundred knots. You know, how can something move through the water
at that type of speed? This is going back twenty years. You know,
it makes you really wonder how, if if we are being visited by
whatever, what are they and how can they do the things? Yeah?
Again, I think that we have to just look at the simple fact and
if you want to call Aukham's razor or whatever you want to call it.
If we had that technology, are we not doing the same thing? Are
we not going out to other civilizations and doing you know, exploratory missions.
Of course, of course we would be doing that. We would check out
life as it exists, and and so it just it makes sense if we
can even just project to our limited scope of understanding how life is, that
we would do that. Of course some events civilization you know, would do
that. It just makes total sense. And the irony is smart people like
you know, um, Stephen Hockey, you know, he's like, we
never should have sent out voyager. That was a mistake because you know,
look at our civilization what we do well, as even Seth Soctack will say,
that's you know, what we've done to our own but it's not species
to species, right, But we've already sent out the signal that we had
nothing to do with. And it happened, you know, billions of years
ago when we had an atmosphere that had oxygen. Yeah, that's a visual
stamp. That's that's identifiable. And when the James Web launches, it's been
to believe that it comes out December twenty second, my hope is that we
see something I got that to me is the smoking gun. If you really
want a smoking gun, it's it's not grabbing them down. And you know,
a ship crashing, which just can we take a moment for that ship
crashes. I need to understand. Help me understand how a ship crashes and
the government's uh, you know, on site task force gets there ahead of
them, sending out a signal to their ship when they can travel so fast.
I understand that it makes sense that, you know, things do crash.
You know, I have a car, it's you know, it's pretty
stable, but occasionally got to get the winshe wipers, and you know,
stuff happens. But I feel like if that had happened throughout history, there
would be someone some indigenous people that would be cooking this big walk that would
be a shell of a ufo and be like, hey, this is their
communal thing that we do and it be repurposed or something. So barring that
happening, which I would love to see a crash craft. And I'm not
saying that that hasn't happened, it's just I just need to get that over
that thing. I think the smoking gun is us finding another civilization ourselves and
seeing that and yeah, you know, I think that's the ideal. Yeah,
James Webb will have hundred one hundred times the capacity of the Hubble,
so you know, maybe we will see those life signals out there. It
sure will be an exciting time. One seth top. We have someone on
the line, Nicole in Washington. Nicole, you're alive on the air.
Hello Nicole, Nicole and Washington. Can you hear me? Oh? You
know it? Maybe I'm sorry, Nicole, try again. Yes, it's
hi there, welcome to the show to call Hi. Thank you, Martin,
you have a wonderful show. Thank you for all your work. Well,
thank you. And my question is about whether you feel that the high
incidents of sightings around nuclear installations and weaponry could be not as much that they
are interested in those sites for the idea of us, you know, having
the ability to destroy ourselves, but that the existence of the nuclear matter assists
in some way for them to be able to come through. However they're doing
that that somehow that express sort of level of decreased randomness that's created by those
nuclear um distance of the nuclear material might in some way affect that process.
That's really interesting. That's awesome. I love that I haven't heard that one
before. Congratulations. That's like the first new theory I've heard in a couple
of years. It's interesting because if you talk to the people who researched this,
they'll tell you that They'll tell you that the people who discovered created the
rockets for what became the US Space program and the Russian space program both believe
that extraterrestrials gave them that technology. So if they gave him that technology as
there are a chance that that might have also been imparted with Oppenheimer. I
mean, it's a dark you know version or dark question. But so you're
saying that maybe it's not literally like nical that they literally punched a hole through
where they created a vortex for them to go through because of the nuclear fall
or the nuclear blast itself, and then they came through that because we've had
reports of UFOs way before them. No, no, no, not the
actual blast, not anything to do with the actual detonation. But in general,
it seems like sites that are not actually you know, detonating any of
this nuclear material have so much have a higher incidence, Like all of the
sites in you know, the all of the areas where we have silos Montana
and North Dakota and all of those incidents up there, that it's purely the
fact that that that that enormous amount of nuclear product up there somehow changes how
they're able to access whatever whatever way they come through to us. Might have
something to do with what I think might be like a decrease in the randomness
of that area, which I think you could possibly extrapolate to some other ideas
of why certain areas have higher incidents than other areas, that there might be
things such as like high iron containing areas. UM. I don't know that
you know, there's been a lot of research on actually like nuclear producing energy
as far as reactors, but I think that would be a really interesting area
for research to find out whether there's higher incidents in areas that have have reactors.
I lived orting it or twenty miles from Three Mile Island when it exploded
or had its incident. So it's just UM, and I did have a
I did have an occurrence as a child of what I believe to be a
UFO, and so I just was interested in that as an idea. I
don't know if anybody's really looked into it. Thank you well, thank you
for the call. I mean, I don't know if you've ever heard of,
you know, the Chernobyl they were saying they thought they saw UFOs over
before the sarcophagus was built, you know, right after the meltdown. They
were saying there were a lot of people claiming that they were seeing UFOs there.
I don't know if you ever heard that. That's That's exactly the point
that I was, you know, feeling like that might be sort of multiple
different strains of the same the same reason, but yet it showed up in
different ways, like the Chernobyl having an incident, and then also just like
our northern tier of military silos. My father was based in my not North
Dakota, his Air Force officer, And you know, I think that a
lot of those incidents might be more related than we think they are. And
I think that it might be something where people have sort of put on a
causation of thinking that they're looking at our military nuclear sites because specifically looking at
them as weapons, and that is their reasoning. But I think it might
have something much more fundamental to do with how they actually need some sort of
I wouldn't say weakness, but some sort of opening, some way for them
to come to come through to us. Well, how do you factor in?
I'm curious how do you factor in? And I guess Fukushimi, we
should probably see if there were sightings there when that whole meltdown happened. But
how do you factor in that? A lot of these sites are given demonstrations,
they're not just kind of appearing and hanging out. There have been reports
from credible people that worked at these bases were these missiles have gone up and
they've had the cones where they've got dummies. They don't actually they're not,
you know, equipped with any warheads. They're just doing an exercise and they
go up and these um, these rockets have been hit with supposedly beams of
light that kind of you know, these ships were these crafts, these UFO
UAPs, we'll move around them as that's happening, kind of like a demonstration.
And then there's also the shutting down. So it seems like for me,
I've always thought this it's just my take on it. I've always thought
that it was a demonstration to say, just be aware that we can shut
this down at any time, we can we control this not you. I
think that's a very valid theory, and I think that that could, well,
you know, be the case. I think you could also look at
it from the other side, if it was this idea that they had more
ability to interact with that kind of material than it might just be that that's
something that they're able to do because of the nuclear sort of that decreased random
random in the area, that they can then how somehow, you know,
interact with it better so that they're able to affect something that maybe they couldn't
actually affect otherwise if there wasn't the um sort of nuclear matter in that in
that region. I mean, I think there is always a possibility that it's
multiple things. You know, that that it's it's both what you're saying and
also that um that it somehow affects how they traverse from wherever they're coming.
Whether that's a there a lot of us researchers who like to say it's all
the above and none of the above, right exactly. Yeah, well it's
right well all the time. But thank you so much, thank you,
it was a great call. Appreciate it all right. So, you know,
while she was speaking I went ahead and googled, you know, Fukushima
and UFOs and sure enough, yes, so there was orbs five orbs spotted
above the Fukushima. So whether that's relating any type of way, or whether
they were earthquake lights, which is a phenomenon that does happen. This was
talking about during you know, right after the earthquake, so it could have
been just that, but it's fast interesting. I wonder, I wonder if
if they appear not only in moments of crisis, but if they appear like
at the Thriller and Manila Muhammad Ali was having his big fight, if they
weren't there for that big event because you know, kind of a big event
or is it just you know, crisis moments. Yeah, yeah, Well,
you know, it is fascinating this and you know, like my friend
says, a friend that I've been speaking to about this, you know,
why isn't you know, when the government is taking a look at this that
seems to me or seems to a lot of people that are looking into this.
Why isn't the nuclear warhead shutdowns like a major issue of national security that's
not being taken totally seriously and investigated Because I think they are, and I
would never if I'm running that operation, I'm not going to advertise at all.
Again, as much as I like to put myself in the ailings perspective,
I us like to put it in a military or those who are in
the knowings perspective. You're not going to come out and say, look,
we can't guarantee that it's someone else. I mean, if you look at
the Favor situation, it was benign. They flew around and took off nice
a little you know, kind of aerobatics, right, So I think with
this it's it's breaching. It's an active war and out and out active war.
And if you can't assign that to anything, I think just coming out,
I mean that would be the next level of I kind of hit to
use that word disclosure, reveal or acknowledge, acknowledgement. I think it is
a better word of the military to say that, But it would have to
be witnessed beyond that and have to be footage and stuff. But hey,
before I forget, I wanted to say this on your last podcast that I
am I have two years have I been a Patreon subscriber? Yeah, I
love the fact that your podcast, Dude, you're one of the only ones
that really don't have commercials all. Thank The reason why you do that is
that you don't believe in that, thank God. And so you're like again,
you're like my first go to I think you and Alajandro don't do that.
Maybe there's maybe a couple more, but that's appreciated. And so that's
why I subscribe and I pay because my time is of value and I want
to be able to to you know, give back and hear stuff like this.
But also you know, it's a convenience that comes back to me because
I don't have to sit through ads and and you know here about Mike Pillow
and and uh, well out of products that I don't really use. Well,
I will thank you for saying that Dean and anyone can support the show
for a couple of dollars or more a month. And that's the Patreon page
is linked right on podcasts uf do. But I will tell you this that
I get contacted constantly. I just got contacted from an advertiser that wants to
pay me two hundred and fifty dollars per show to run ads, you know,
their ads on it. And I just decided in the beginning that that's
something that I'm not going to do. I don't want to run ads on
this um Now, there are ads pop up on there are ads that pop
up on YouTube. You know that's a way to uh, I have that
basically to supplement. You know, the graphics are costly and you know the
things that I do UM on occasion, you know costs some money. But
anyway, thank you for saying that. I appreciate that. Yeah, so
we have we have like three minutes. But I'm going back to the to
the nukes, you know, I mean when I had mentioned this, I
just mentioned it, I believe last week. And also the very first episode
of the show is up on YouTube, by the way, on my YouTube
channel. Um so in particular, I mentioned it as well. And that's
my insurance broker from years ago had said that the UFOs had an interest in
nuclear. He didn't say nuclear weapons, he didn't say you know, nuclear
power plants. He just said nuclear and you say nuclear or nuclear he said
any anything nuclear he said. I do remember him saying it's not just warheads
though, it's power plants or something like that. He said, they're very
interested in it, and you know, so why not plutonium. Why not
you know, she was talking about nuclear you know, warheads and things like
that. But why if that's the case, they have some type of interests,
you know, why not into the element itself? Well? And then
how visible is it if you're you know, how many feet under the ground
doing you know, plutonium, which you're you know, unless you're certain as
you shouldn't be doing those. Are they able to track that? Whereas missiles
and stuff they're you know, at least the silos for it. You know,
you could do a flyover and see, yeah, that they're there.
So how visible? You know, somebody needs to do research on that.
What what attracts them that? That would be really interesting just to focus on
that one aspect. Yeah, Dean, it's been a real pleasure. We're
right at the end of the show. I can't believe it went so fast.
But thank you guys. Always you're a good friend. It's always fun
to talk to you. Thanks for coming on the show. Thank you for
inviting me, you bet, and we'll have you back when your things are
we know when they're going to be released and all that, all right,
Dean, You take care, all right, take care? Yeah, all
right, everyone, So I'm going to be back next week with Peter Slatterly
from Australia. Should be an interesting show. You really have to get he's
got the real strong accent. But he's a fun guy and it'll be a
great show. So remember everyone, keep your eyes to this guy. We'll
see you next week.