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Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host. You

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know, I don't often talk too
much about personal things, but I do

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have a personal favorite holiday and that
is coming up here in the United States,

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and that's Thanksgiving. I just loved
I don't know why, but I've

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always loved Thanksgiving. UM. You
know, we we have a lot to

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be grateful for. I certainly do. UM, maybe not everyone, but

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it's a great time to reach out
to family, friends and anyway coming up.

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So I want to wish everyone in
the US. I'll wish all over

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the world, but you know,
the US in particular, that we celebrate

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it here and I'd like to wish
everyone a wonderful Thanksgiving coming up in just

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a couple of days. Let's see. Our blog this week is a UFO

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falls to the Ground in Yorkshire,
England, now the great one by Charles

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Lear and our guests, well,
I would our guest is a different guest

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and we had planned last week.
And I will say this that it's not

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a bad idea to go over to
podcast ufo dot com and go down on

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the sidebar and you'll see a mailing
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pop your email. In there,
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link in your email address to confirm
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send out. If there's any changes, I will send a notice out for

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that. But also every Tuesday morning
ahead of the show, you will get

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at the blog link and you'll also
get who the upcoming guest is of that

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day. And sometimes it changes on
the day for different reasons. Maybe a

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guest had to cancel for some reason, or something else came along tonight.

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Dean Aliotto. You saw him briefly
last week and last week's show, and

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he's on this week. We're going
to discuss the overall state of ufology in

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general. It's been a long time
since he's been a sole guest on this

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show. I defer to him for
a lot of things. He and I

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have become friends over the years,
and he's a real sharp guy. He's

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got his finger on the pulse of
this He's got some work coming up that

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is going to be very well appreciated
by everyone in this group. And we're

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going to talk a little bit about
a past situation that he had that is

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absolutely hilarious. He helped out James
Fox with his phenomenon movie. He's been

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helped out for a Any Specialist Bravo
Discovery, and he was featured in the

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paramount and documentary Unknown Dimensions. And
anyway, I'm without further ado, what

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does it do? Anyway, I've
never really understood what to do is.

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But without further ado, here is
Dean Alioto. Dean, welcome to the

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show. Thank you, Martin,
glad to be back. I think I

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do is like a honey dude,
like a honey due melon? Is that

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what it is? Yeah? I
think so. Okay, anyway, thank

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you for clearing that up. But
welcome back to the show. And I

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you know, I think we always
have fun together. So and it was

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a great visit I had out with
you when I was in California a few

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weeks ago. That was just a
blast. And now we're paying for being

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warm those few weeks because right now
it's like thirty four degrees outside where I

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am right now. I wasn't ready
for that. Yeah yeah, and uh,

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you poor thing. It is probably
down to Avenue there right it's uh,

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it's getting close. I'm trying to
keep it out of sight, out

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of mind because I think about it
too much I might get sad, which

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is season right affected disorder where I
have to be at a perfect bomby seventy

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four. Otherwise I'm just well,
you're in the right place there, And

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so they want your podcasts. I
don't want me in your podcast and I'm

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suffering from sads. Yes, yeah, you know before before we get into

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like our main topic tonight, that
we do have a lot of new people

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that listen to the show all the
time, and I don't think a lot

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of people know about your found footage. And when I said earlier when I

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was introducing you, when I said
it's hilarious, what happened after you created

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the video for like on a shoe
string budget. That's what became hilarious in

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the in the outcome, the things
that happened after that. But I'd like

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to play a clip first of all, for those of for those of you

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who have never heard of this,
it was it was a found footage actually

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probably the original found footage show,
right, I mean this was your concept

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or out of high school? Right, I've been accused a few times,

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Yes, yes, yeah, move
over, Blair, Rich Blair, which,

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okay, here we go. Here's
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Wait, Michael, don't blow you, yeah, hold on, it's working

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forgot it. Oh you're gonna break
your neck for I'm gonna break ship.

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That was that? Oh shit,
what the hell is that? He's got

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a show? One of them.
It's right outside there, you I just

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took a look at the well.
There's a little trailer there. So let's

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talk about how that all started,
how that all came together. But I

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want to talk about also about what
happened to the warehouse and you know,

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the whole thing. You can do
it. I know people, some people

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I believe you told us about three
years ago, maybe four years ago in

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this show. So they're like I
said, there's a lot of new people,

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and uh it for me, it
never gets old. I think I

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can do this in two or three
minutes. So if you guys have heard

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this before, come back in two
or three minutes and you'll just pick up

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get into some really cool, cool
shit. Well, I put a time

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stamp last week. A lot of
people said, oh, you got to

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do that every week, you know
where you click on the time stamps and

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a goat. But I'm not going
to do that this time, I don't

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think. But I might do a
few dean go ahead, I'm tiring you.

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Yeah. Click. So here's what
happened. Um, I know,

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I wanted to be a filmmaker at
an early age. And one of the

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things that all of my my filmmaking
idols had done, they had made the

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first feature by the age of twenty
five that goes with them from Orson Wills,

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Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, a
couple of all these cats. So

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I decided that I was going to
do that and unfortunately, write a film

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school. All I had was,
you know, a cam quarter and a

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guy who I went to school with
high school with who wanted to be a

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producer and said he would finance my
first feature. And so he said,

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you know, let's do this.
And I said, great, how much

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do you have and he said,
I'm I'm willing to spend sixty five hundred

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bucks. So back then there was
no DSLR camera and stuff like that.

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It was thirty five millimeter or sixteen
millimeter, which is almost equally expensive with

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lab costs and everything. And so
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buddy these wedding videos and I had
decided that I was going to, you

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know, maybe do something with that, but I wasn't sure. And then

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I had read Communion around that time, and it scared the hell out of

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me more than any Stephen King novel. And then I remember specifically, and

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I was just mentioning to my girlfriend
Alley. We were flying out and I

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had a flashback where I remember flying
up from San Francisco and it was at

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perfect time where you go from you
know, dust and to night until night

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and you can see the curvature of
the planet because the planet, you know,

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it's actually not flat, and so
I was imagining leaving the planet,

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this would be the last time that
I would ever see the planet looking down

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out the window. And that kind
of started something and I thought, well,

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you know what if I conflator all
these things that did like kind of

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like a war the world's on videotape
and shot this thing in one take,

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um and hired improv actors and uh, and did it all in one night.

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And so that's exactly what I did. I had a ten page beat

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sheet of all these things that were
based on what Whitley and Bud Hopkins book

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books had purported, and just found
myself, you know, shooting this thing

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and finished it and ironically, the
thing actually got distributed. I do remember

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this one story where this woman head
of production company yelled at me when I

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came in with my little teaser trailer
for my film, because she said,

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don't ever waste my time. Don't
ever come back here again unless you have

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a real film. And so that
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I had with trying to sell this
this thing I had. I'm from San

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Francisco and had commuter up to LA
just for the purposes of selling this thing.

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So I thought, well, that
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with this guy, and he says, I love it, Let's do it.

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And so that was it. So
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I'd given them all my artwork,
my master the whole deal, and

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I said, hey, so you
know, how are the pre orders?

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How are we doing? And it
goes it's went up in flames, man,

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and I thought, oh, we're
on fire. We're crushing. I

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go, oh, how many units? And he said all of them?

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And I said, we know,
we've blunder all the units and he said

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no, no, no, They
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explained to me that the warehouse burned
to the ground and I lost all my

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main masters are my one main master. All of my artwork gone history,

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and so you know, we're kind
of depressed that I thought that the film

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gods might have been telling me something
since it was time to move on,

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and so I did. Flashed forward
to five years later, and I get

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a call from this guy, Sean
David Morton saying, hey, do you

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know who found this footage? Your
name came up and that was the first

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time I'd ever heard found footage and
this would have been, let's see,

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the early nineties. And I said, I said, what footage is talking

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about? I told it explained to
me and I said, well, you

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know one found that we made it. And says, okay, do you

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know what's been going on with your
film? And I'm like, dude,

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who the hell are you? And
he says, I just got back from

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the International UFO Congress convention where your
film was shown and believed to be the

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real thing. Tom Dono, UFO
researcher had gotten his hands on it,

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and then UFO researcher, Lieutenant Colonel
retired Don Ware the Air Force Intelligence claimed

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it was authentic and that pretty much
nailed it's it's infinity right then and there,

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and so I was amused by it. I didn't understand what any of

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that meant. All I knew was
that Sean was saying on self mysteries hard

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copy and this Fox show called Encounters, all want to do one interview me

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into a story on the segment and
I said to him, well, unsolved

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mysteries. I guess that's out.
And he says, what do you mean.

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I said, well, it's called
unsolved, it's not called solved mysteries.

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He says, well, not necessarily. And I said, no,

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Sean, who's going to give us
most airtime? And he? You know,

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Fox turned out they were going to
give us six and a half minutes

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and let us do a little bumper, And so went on that show,

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and then they interviewed a couple other
people, and what we kind of figured

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out was that someone much more clever
than I am and more devious than I

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am, edited off the credits because
a few mom and pop video stars got

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advanced screeners and cut off the credits
and injected to the UFO community, which

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took about five years to fully implode
or explode and become this strange, you

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know, kind of conspiracy phenomenon,
and so I went out on national TV

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and debunked my own film. I
think I'm the first and only filmmaker so

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far to debunk their own film.
But I have enough respect for UFO researchers

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that I don't want him more,
you know, stuff on their plate that

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they don't need. So, you
know, that was it. I thought,

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well, there's my fifteen minutes of
fame, you know, time to

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move on. And then I meet
this head writer we're working on the Stephen

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J. Cannal crime series, and
he says, I heard about this thing.

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I want to see it. And
I said, no, it's crappy

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as handheld. It's this thing that's
meant to look like a home video because

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no one had done that at this
time. Still it was years away from

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Blair Witch and so there's no reference
for it. And so he said,

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you know, shut up and show
it to me, and he got a

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movie deal set up at Dick Clark
Production. So we did a remake of

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it essentially, and now the budget
was one point two five million. We

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were shooting up in Canada with the
guys in the X Files and to do

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the ship and Aliens and so now
we had a week instead of one day,

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and we came in half a million
under budget, and you know,

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came back and that was it,
and I thought, well, that was

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fun. You know, that extended
that you know, fifteen minutes to maybe

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seventeen minutes. And then I got
fired because everyone at UPN got fired,

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which means that any project that's there, they get kicked to the curb.

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So they go out and they put
in more interviews, except they put in

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I had fake interviews that were intercut
throughout the footage. They brought in Stamp

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Freeman, Darryl Sims, my good
friend Ivan Smith, and and then cut

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it in with the footage, so
it looked like they were, you know,

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conjecturing about the actual show, which
wasn't cool. I do remember.

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I do remember Stamp Freeman on Coast
to Coast and all these people were infuriated

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and they were calling in and said
you need to sue them, and I

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was going, yes, please sue, sue them. And so anyway,

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that was it, and you know, I thought, well, there you

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go. I've done. I finished
out my time in this space, and

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I've enjoyed it. And that was
it. By the way, the first

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online poll was done, which was
asking if this is real or not?

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And that was after the credit said
you know Alien one and two and three

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played by so and so, and
I should you not? Forty nine percent

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of the audience claimed it was authentic
after seeing all that, So that kind

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of you know, taught me something, the power of you know, showing.

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And then over the years I thought
again that was. Then over the

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years, all these conspiracies started to
build, and one of them was that

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the original name of that remake for
UPN was the McPherson tape, which for

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some reason was ascribed now onto the
original which was called UFO Abduction, that

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one I had done in eighty nine. But anyway, it was rebranded as

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alien abduction incident like County. And
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all these conspiracies that that I was
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throw people off the scent of the
original one, because that's apparently what happens

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they hire filmmakers to throw people off
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with JFK. I guess one point
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pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty
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of that. So I need to
talk to my agent about that in the

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future if I'm engaging in conspiracy activities. So anyway, you know, I

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thought that was it. And then
lo and behold two eighteen seventeen rolls around

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and and Ala Jandra when I connect
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who runs you know? Ask you
for a congress convention brought They want

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to do a special anniversary screening of
the film. They want me to come

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out and speak, And so I
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was at Then I went to Fantastic
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um um, you know, rerelease
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while I was in this going to
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I started meeting people that, you
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meet someone who tells you at the
fire pit at the what is it?

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What's the name of that the hotel
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used to be at the has A
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the name? What took something?
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m Wekopa. I was just there, Yeah, the Wekopofence Center.

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was sitting there slamming some bud and
telling me that he was born with vulcaneers

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and his damn parents had rounded them
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someone from that to going to a
support group um with Van Smith saying Hey,

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I've got the support group with experiences
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girlfriend al, I said, well, this will be the true tale of

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the tape. You know, we'll
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expecting it to be a little bit, you know, the full spectrum of

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you know, from credible to maybe
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home and she says, well,
how was that? And I said,

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horrifying. I believed every single one
of them. And I've worked for twenty

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years on crime shows and not a
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And that and a few other you
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thinking that there was something in the
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either a movie or a series.
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drug that got me into this four
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a science documentary, not a ufone
alien document but a science documentary about UFOs

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and aliens, which I've just wrapped
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three parter. I've got great people
from Harvard Oxford, you know people who

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I've got Mitchell Calku, I've got
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who's there. I've got Singularity expert
and bestselling author Daniel Wilson, among

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other people like Travis Walton and some
regulars. But there's new information and stuff.

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So if I brought someone in who
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that we got some new information that
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ultimately, I thought, even though
I've been tracking this since I was a

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kid, the phenomenon, I wanted
to make something that was somewhere between the

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Dummies Guide to UFO and Aliens and
the New England Journal Medicine, so that

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there would be a nice introduction into
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people who follow this, the hardcore, you know, people like us in

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the dust. That there would be
something new on mic drop in every episode

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and so I'm happy to say that
we were able to accomplish and you're going

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to see some really cool stuff that
you've not seen before. And so,

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um, that's a kind of my
journey up until this moment. And Martin

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was the first person that I think
when the first podcasts um that I did

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when I came out of the closet
if you will in twenty seventeen. Yeah,

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well I think that's where we met. Yeah, we met there that

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that year and kind of been in
touch ever since. And uh, and

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it's been a lot of fun.
But you've had people also that we'll try

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to debunk your debunking that that's not
found footage, which I think is really

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hilarious, like they knew the people
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family, and and uh, yeah, I think because you know, I

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mean that that kind of shows you
how strong someone's belief can be in something

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really well. I got I would
get hate mail or email, and my

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favorite of all time was this guy
saying, you know, I see right

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through you. How do you explain
my mother's best friends being best friends with

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the woman who knew the woman who
was abducted who was the mother and my

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thing, And I said, you
got me. I can't explain how your

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mother it's good friends with a woman
who was friends of a fictional character.

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I can't. I can't help you
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you. Yeah, yeah, but
anyway, I've seen you, know,

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I do remember you speaking about that, and then I've seen you all of

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a sudden taking this thing very seriously
and really doing a deep dive in the

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last several years. And and you
know, you're often you're in the background,

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you know, watching my show a
lot of times, and watching many

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others, and you really have taken
a keen interest, and so you happen

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to come along at a time where
it's much more take this subject, to

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take much more seriously than it has
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in for the years ahead of that. So your timing was really good.

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And when you're interviewing all these people, how many people in total do you

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have in these the three part series, I interviewed fifty three people. It

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was supposed to be twelve people,
and I was going to be done in

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six to nine months when I consulted
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Briefly, I said to him,
you know this is eight years,

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nine years you're at this. That's
not sustainable, you know that, right

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He goes, yeah, I know, And here I am four years into

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it. And so it does grab
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is this it's you know, you
you interview someone and they go, Okay,

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the questions that you're asking me,
I can only partially answer those because

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they're out of my purview. But
you should talk to this person, and

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then that person lead to someone else, and pretty soon, you know,

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this web starts to build out,
and you know, years go by and

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dozens of interviews, you know,
going at some point you have to cut

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yourself off. And so my last
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of them is a special guest who
I can't say who it is. Who

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is one of the last interviews in
episode three. But Greg Bishop was the

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second to last one, and he
offered a couple really funny, terrific lines.

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But yeah, it really boy,
it just became this whole thing.

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I mean, it started out as
a feature film that became this three parter.

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So that gives you kind of an
idea and out of the fifty three.

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Only three of those didn't make it
into this. The other ones will

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probably end up being in. You
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good behind the scenes or special feature
bonus stuff that is, you know,

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things that you also haven't seen before. So well, I've in and touch

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a little bit here and there with
James Fox lately, and he is in

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the middle of something. He's not
not really given me any details, but

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he's he's working like crazy right now
on something. So you may know more

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about that than I do. I
don't know what is what is common knowledge

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and what is not, but but
he's he's got something going on. When

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it comes to the UFO of once
again, what I can tell you,

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what I can share with you about
his new documentary is absolutely nothing. Yeah,

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yeah, just like I wouldn't want
anyone sharing anything about my stuff until

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it's time. But I do know
that if anyone's going to unearth something that's

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going to, you know, be
a nice check on the Richter scale,

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it'll be James. So I'm I'm
equally I'm with everyone else. I'm very

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excited to see what he's going to
be coming up with. I know that

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he's very enthused and so you know
it'll be wor whatever it is, right,

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and where do you expect or do
you haven't you got you have not

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sold this thing yet. We have
no idea when we can watch it and

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where we can watch it. But
can you direct people to your website or

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some way where they can figure out
how these things are going to be released?

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How this usually works is especially these
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like you know, um, Jeremy
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we make these things independently and then
we you know, pull together with our

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sales team and then we go out
and we see, you know, what

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the temperature is out, who's interested, etc. And hit that. So

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until then, I'm not going to
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trailer that an editor from Netflix cut, not that it's going to be at

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Netflix. There's no guarantees of where
we're going to be. At this point,

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we'll probably close a deal, if
not by the end of the year.

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First thing come to New Year,
and so then I can talk more

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freely about you know, when it'll
be targeted, etc. So um,

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yeah, I mean right now there's
there's you know, there'll be more occasionally

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if you go to on, if
you go to Instagram, Dan Alliott occasionally

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post things behind the scenes, things
what's going onder my night d Dean Alliot

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or Dean Underscore Elliot I think it
might be, or my Dan alliottle page

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on Facebook. Yeah page. You'll
definitely be back on to promote it once

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it's out, so we'll get the
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it up on the website as well, So I wouldn't worry about that now.

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I do want to say that,
and I know you you know as

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much as I do about this too. But since we're talking about films when

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they're coming out, I know that
I get at least two or three emails

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a week, and I'll get probably
several after this if I don't address it.

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And that is I have no idea
when the Ariel's Phenomena is coming out.

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Um you know, I've heard rumors
that it was going to be before

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the end of this year, it
was going to be on a major streaming

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platform. I have no other information, can't find out any information just to

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let everyone know, so I apologize. I thought I should hear something back

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at this point, but I still
have no information on that. It's kind

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of a guest Yeah, your guests
is going to be as good as mine.

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Um, I'm sure I just know
as much as you. Which is

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that they've made a deal. Um, I believe with a distributor. If

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that's all been you know, signed
and dotted. Um. And so I

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if I had to you know,
venture a Guests, I would say it

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would be coming out sometime next year, hopefully early next year. But only

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Randy um Nickerson will have the answer
to that. But um, you know

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it's it's an important documentary, and
um, you know, I like seeing

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this shift from the nuts and bolts
craft to the experience answers who for me,

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Um, you know, these are
the emissaries of the phenomena. You

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know, we want to talk about
disclosure. These are the people who are

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having disclosure on a personal you know, one by one basis. It's probably

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a lot safer than landing on the
White House House lawn and you know,

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getting shot at and then asking them
questions later on, oh oh you were

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Oh we didn't know it. Sorry. So, UM, I think these

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are the people, um, you
know that that are the closest links that

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we have. And so I really
want to see them have their their seat

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at the table. I think that's
kind of critical to go beyond just the

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kind of viewing these things. There's
other things that are happening, and there's

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enough cases out there to substantiate this
is as strong as you know, a

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photograph, I would say, especially
in some cases. Yeah, yeah,

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to me, I people ask me
what I think is the most important case.

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I actually I have to put this
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know it's there may be a few
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I think the ariel Um incident is
to me the most convincing of all them

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out there that something really strange.
And I know there's there's more evidence,

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so to speak, when it comes
to like the Nimitz case, in other

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cases where there's all kinds of other
you know, backed up data, um,

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and there's no data. There's just
you know, several many, many

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school children that saw this thing and
and right away through pictures of it and

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carried this thing all through their lives. All these these children. I've interviewed

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two of the students, yeah and
one of them yeah, yeah, I

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interviewed two of them. One of
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so um that's all I say about
that. Can you tell that I enjoyed

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teasing and it's a little bit yes, ye, yes, yeah um and

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so uh. You know, if
you were to say, let me create

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a perfect scenario for a UFO case, what would that be? What it

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would be broad daylight, because I
don't want to hear any talk about sleep

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paralysis. It would be several witnesses
and it would be you know, experienced

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by people who are not not going
to be subjected to having ideas that are

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going to you know, filter are
going to shave their opinion. They would

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just be raw this is what I
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And so I don't think it's an
accident that had happened in a schoolyard.

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And as a preston, we'll tell
you that there's been tons of schoolyard encounters.

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This happens in Zimbabwe. It happens
in a school that I sound like

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I'm promoting Randy's movie, but I'm
promoting both of ours. That you know,

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it's a progressive school where there's black, white, Christian, Muslim Catholics

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across the board out in the country, and it's witnessed by not sixty two

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as was you know, originally reports, it's witnessed by much more and as

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Fox revealed, it was witnessed by
one of the teachers as well, who

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was too afraid and even terrified to
say anything. But that's you know,

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there, it is, it's right
there, and they're all saying essentially the

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same exact thing, drawing the same
pictures, and they're getting you know,

410
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.839
more important, they're getting the images
of what you know, not all of

411
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:37.880
them, but the ones that were
up close mostly received these these telepathic images.

412
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.799
So this to me is a watershed
moment. It's nineteen ninety four,

413
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.319
this is before the internet and everything, where these kids would have known about

414
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.839
that, um, you know,
and I doubt they had even seen et

415
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.400
You're at the moment, you know, let alone close encounters and stuff like

416
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.559
that where you see the typical you
know, grazes they described. So you

417
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.920
know, a lot of them didn't
even have TVs, you know, they

418
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:07.720
didn't have television. No, they
were worried about getting in trouble for seeing

419
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.920
this thing, yeah, because they
thought their parents are going to give them

420
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:14.400
grief and stuff. And some of
the parents did. Some of the parents

421
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:20.960
thought it was demonic, yeah,
and That's the other thing is you know,

422
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:24.119
that's another good reason for them not
just to show up and start doing

423
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:30.279
you know, um Tucker Carlson and
other shows on both sides, because you

424
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:35.319
know someone's going to come out and
throw down on the demon card and say,

425
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:37.799
yeah, they're their hair. They're
going to eat our souls, start

426
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.319
with their brains and then work their
way to our souls. So yeah,

427
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.400
yeah, and you know, to
be honest, I think the best way

428
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.559
for anyone who's approaching this or interested
in this, or even has been at

429
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:57.000
this a long time, we have
to kind of constantly remind ourselves what would

430
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.880
we do? Not that we're an
indicator of, you know what what would

431
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.079
happen? But would we you know
the prime directive Star Trek, are we

432
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.720
going to show up and we're going
to like, you know, throw ourselves

433
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.960
a party, come with a boombox
blaring and going, yo, guys,

434
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.480
what's up? We're just a few
light years over. I heard you guys,

435
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:19.960
were you know, got some cool
bands? No, we're going to

436
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.200
study them like entomologists. And as
I said on your show, I get

437
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:29.640
really pissed off when I hear talk
of that. You know, what would

438
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:31.680
they want with us. We're so
primitive they could you know, they couldn't,

439
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.680
They could care less. And you
know, as I said before,

440
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:42.720
this isn't an intelligence beauty contest.
All life is of interest. You know,

441
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.960
one life form is not less valuable
than another. So I think that

442
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:52.480
all of that has to be considered. And if that's the case, you

443
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.200
know, and if we were in
that situation where we were so advanced and

444
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.640
we had survived the pettiness that that
we have a lot on this earth,

445
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.279
what would we do and would be
to check out other civilizations and see where

446
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:06.680
they're going. The question is do
they nudge us? You know, do

447
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:10.599
they give a little you might want
to not press that red button, you

448
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:16.400
know. So it's kind of yeah, I mean there's a lot of answers

449
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:21.800
by looking within and and you know, which is kind of tough because you

450
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.159
can't look at from the human perspective, right because that's just projecting, right,

451
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.800
Yeah, but you can't lift it. But you just did. You

452
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:34.079
just said, you know, we'd
study them like we were studying ants.

453
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.599
Yeah, but you know why,
Yeah, because there's one thing that I

454
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:44.039
think all intelligent life has across the
board, and we see it here from

455
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:47.159
ants to humans, which is curiosity. I knew you're gonna say that,

456
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:53.400
Yeah, yeah, well yeah,
I mean, if they didn't have curiosity,

457
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:58.960
You're right, they wouldn't even be
exploring. Whatever they're exploring, whether

458
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:05.239
it's space or another dimension or whatever
it is they wherever they come from there.

459
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.800
The only reason they'd be here is
your right, curiosity. I would

460
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:13.960
think it wouldn't be by accident.
No, but they want to be seen.

461
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:19.960
They do. Sometimes they've gotten,
you know, lights flashing. What's

462
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.519
that all about? You don't need
that. It's kind of like as a

463
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.039
as a great bishop would say,
it's kind of this weird, you know,

464
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.599
kabuki, and probably Graham will will
echo that as well. It's this

465
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.760
weird kabuki where they just you know, come and want to be seen and

466
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:39.239
and the people who see it are
greatly affected. I've got a documentary film

467
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:45.679
A filmmaker friend of mine who called
me last year and said, hey,

468
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.800
I need to talk to you.
I understand that you're kind of into UFOs

469
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.679
and I said, yeah, sure, And he said, I saw something

470
00:35:53.880 --> 00:36:00.519
at four am on my balcony and
I don't believe in UFOs. Let me

471
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:02.079
just say that right off the bat. I think that whole thing is,

472
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:08.440
you know bs and where it And
I go, okay, well you're entitled

473
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:12.280
to that, and he said,
but this has got me shooken up,

474
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:17.280
shaken up. He said, I
saw this silver craft going along silently and

475
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:21.679
maybe it was twenty five feet long, and it was moving along, had

476
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.639
this kind of blue light or flame
in the back of it, and it

477
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:29.679
was moving along silently, and he
said, just the appearance of it,

478
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:35.519
he could he had a sense this
kind of connection. I'm not from here,

479
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:40.280
like he felt that. And then
the light flashed and it was gone.

480
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.280
He says, it wasn't like you
could see it take off. It

481
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.159
was just like gone, like it, you know, phased out. And

482
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:51.920
so he was calling me freaked out
and like needed to be talked off,

483
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:58.280
you know, off the limb.
And so I directed him to Earl Gray,

484
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.719
you know, move on, la
director, which might have been a

485
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.320
bad thing, because who knows what
Earl's gonna do. That guy's crazy.

486
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:09.039
No, so he you know,
is going to kind of let him know.

487
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.559
Hey, you're one of many.
You know, you don't have to

488
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.000
be a believer to witness things things. You know, my mother is seen

489
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:21.360
one my ex saw one. I've
not seen one. That's not cool.

490
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.079
But you know that's why I think
because I haven't seen one. That's why.

491
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.559
You know, when I say that
I've seen something or or if someone

492
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.440
has given me some evidence, you
know, I always say. You know,

493
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.599
I'm not an easy first date.
You're not going to get far with

494
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.199
me on the first date. I
have to be convinced. I have to

495
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:44.880
be proven, you know. I
have to feel like it's genuine, it's

496
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.880
authentic, it's real love, and
this is a real reality. And then

497
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.719
when it is I can give myself. But until then, I'm going to

498
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.000
have that wall. You're going to
get the handshake at the end of the

499
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:59.320
night from me until you know I
believe that that we have something legit.

500
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.199
I gotta tell you that you just
brought up about the lights here, and

501
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.800
I had a science teacher the last
time we brought this up. I asked

502
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:12.760
him if you'd come on the show
and give his opinion, you know,

503
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.840
maybe just for a clip or something. But when it comes up about why

504
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:23.079
do you know UFOs seemed a lot
of them seemed to have lights? He

505
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.800
came up. He wrote me this
here, we as humans in the twenty

506
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:31.039
first centrally believe that the use of
artificial light is limited to the following.

507
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.119
Well, it's kind of long for
me to go into. He goes into

508
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:40.800
photography, vitamin D maintenance, and
temperature drying and evaporating, sterilization, solar

509
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:46.519
energy, and then he goes on
to what he thinks the possibility of UFOs.

510
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:51.679
Why they have lights, maybe censors
for various applications, the source of

511
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:57.559
propulsion or an element that is needed
for propulsion, the visual byproduct of photons

512
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.840
required to cloaking apparatus. Again,
the byproduct of the use of photons stimulate

513
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:07.079
theorists magnetic field in order to open
a gateway to a different dimension. He

514
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.199
has all these things simply navigation lights
to one other crafts in their location.

515
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:15.239
Clearly, these things are solid objects
and they can be susceptible to collisions.

516
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:21.880
The byproduct of the process to convert
dark matter of dark energy into something else

517
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:25.800
like full fuel, food, water, oxygen, things like that. So

518
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:30.760
anyway, it's pretty interesting. This
science teacher wrote me from Canada, um

519
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:36.599
and are one of those things?
Are one of those things a sun lamp

520
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.639
that's right out there with their photo
albums. We put remember a luminum foil

521
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:46.320
over that you get the home even
yeah, yeah, yeah, again,

522
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:50.760
we don't know and all we can
do is throw out our best guests.

523
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.239
But um, you know, I
kind of look at at this from you

524
00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:00.480
know what, what what could be? You know that first of all,

525
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.760
how they appear and disappear. If
you can cloak yourself, why do you

526
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:07.960
appear? You know? And then
you can tell me, well, it's

527
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.840
because they can't sustain that the whole
time and they need to refuel or whatever.

528
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.280
But there's more than enough accounts and
even with Fravers, you know,

529
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:20.880
Commander Fravor says, this thing became
aware of me and it turned. It's

530
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.360
had like a dog going turned and
looked and came at him like the whole

531
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:29.960
craft had awareness, which you know, all these things it might be weird

532
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:35.800
and outside the realm, but that's
where that's where the clues are. It's

533
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.800
not in a clean, shiny,
you know, frisbee looking craft that comes

534
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:44.280
and lands and they get out and
everything. It's it's the stuff before and

535
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.480
after that you see, or the
things that just seem so bizarre for the

536
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:51.840
longest time, and this has happened
many a time where I feel like I

537
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:53.360
have it. I think I've got
it figured out. I think I've got

538
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:55.679
a clue here, I've got a
threat, and I tug and the whole

539
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.599
thing comes apart. And that's happened
many a time. One of the times

540
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:05.719
was what I kept hearing about deceased
relatives who are on these crafts, and

541
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.599
I thought, well, if they're
traveling the astral plane, which you know,

542
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:17.400
my background was much more in spirituality, you know, Tibetanism and Buddhism,

543
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:22.360
and so taking those things from reincarnation
and everything and looking at you know,

544
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.559
when you die, you do carry
on. I believe that all matter,

545
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:28.960
you know as energy and energy can't
be destroyed. And I thought,

546
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:32.840
if they're phasing or they're traveling in
the astral plane, you might see that.

547
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:39.000
So if you are are same materialized
into their you know, their channel,

548
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.119
their dimension, and you're in the
astral plane, you might see stuff

549
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.400
like that, so it won't be
so weird. And so someone may argue,

550
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.800
well, they're tricksters and they're trying
to make you feel at home.

551
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:51.760
It's like, well, if they're
doing that, then, as Travis Walton

552
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:53.519
says, why don't they all just
look like us? That'll make us feel

553
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:57.480
much better. You know, you
can pick the celebrity. If you want

554
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.880
George Clooney to abduct you, they
look like George Clooney or whatever. I

555
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.519
might not do George cloning myself.
But um, the point is that that

556
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.159
maybe evil Kinneval, that would be
great to see him. I miss him.

557
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:16.199
Um. But uh so that is
its own weirdness and that is its

558
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:20.400
own clue. So you have to
put that up on the board, you

559
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:24.400
know. And it's and it's not
always neat, but there's something, there's

560
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:29.280
something there that they're able to do
that. And so when people are transferred

561
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.760
through walls and windows, that means
they're changing the composition, the physical composition

562
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:38.440
of these people and and doing this, and the crafts the way that they're

563
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:40.679
you know, moving and stuff,
and you can almost see through them.

564
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:45.119
These are all little clues. So
not to skip ahead to the to the

565
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:50.280
punch line or the finish line.
But lastly, the thing that's interesting is

566
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.159
when it's time for us to discover
these things and understand it. You know,

567
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:01.079
we have an agreement with them or
with their reality, and they have

568
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:05.440
to agree. They have to come
halfway on the bridge and say all right,

569
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.840
we'll meet you halfway. Here's what
we are and this is what we

570
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.320
can do, etc. And so
there's a reason why, you know,

571
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.280
we don't have those nuts and bolts
pictures right now. Maybe the military does,

572
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.320
but I think there's a reason why
we don't have a proof that everyone,

573
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.440
you know, from Neil de grasse
Tyson to even Seth so Stack goes,

574
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:28.559
all right, this is it.
So my question is, how come

575
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:34.599
we don't have that? How come
we don't have that smoking gun? Why

576
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.760
don't we have that now? And
is it a bad thing that we don't

577
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:45.000
And what would the smoking gun look
like exactly? You know, that's because

578
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:52.920
whatever we think we've have for data
right now isn't enough to convince a large

579
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:59.079
enough body of people. And what
would it take to convince a large enough

580
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.199
body of people that you know,
we're not alone? But I don't know,

581
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.119
you know, let's just say it's
what we're seeing. And I'm just

582
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:12.880
throwing this out there because I don't
know. But let's just say they're extraterrestrial.

583
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:15.840
That's what we're seeing. You know
that that's one of the biggest theories

584
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:22.079
I think our biggest possibilities to some
of at least some of these things that

585
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:28.239
show up. Um, what would
be you know, a structured craft on

586
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:32.000
the ground with beings that would be
able to be explored, you know by

587
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:36.239
scientists. Is that what it would
be? It's hard. It's hard.

588
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.039
One could argue that's already been done
because scientists have had their own experiences,

589
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:44.079
right, Um, you know,
and if you want some incredible you've got

590
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.559
you know, Lonnie's and Mora,
You've got Commander favor. So these people

591
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:50.920
have seen these things, you know, they haven't gone up and kicked the

592
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:55.159
tires. Jim Peniston, did you
know Rendal Shim He went and did it.

593
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:59.400
So it's like if some were to
say to me before Rendal Shim,

594
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.000
I want some in the military who's
gone up and touched one of these things

595
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:05.800
and had their own experience. Show
me that and then you know, give

596
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.440
me someone credible, you know,
then I'll go there. Well that happened.

597
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:15.119
So every time we moved and you
know, move the ball down the

598
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.880
field, it seems like the goalposts
it's you know, slid further and further

599
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.920
back. So all we can do
is look at what we do have now

600
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:27.519
and say, okay, so what
is the next step and the next step

601
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.079
is, Okay, there's two in
my head. I carry these two things.

602
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.719
One is you have to have your
own personal experience. Once you've done

603
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:40.199
that, then then that reality has
crossed over. Right, then it's become

604
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.239
a part of their reality. And
even then there's going to be some questions

605
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:46.800
that will come and linger in waves, right, but leash you can go

606
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.719
will this happen? And you need
to have a witness. I think that's

607
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:54.440
imperative. And the second thing is
what would it be, you know,

608
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:59.079
personally for me, because it's going
to be personal to everyone, and so

609
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:06.079
experience their evidence to me that that
is just as as profound as any religious

610
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.760
you know, claims of seeing angels
or God, Jesus, etc. Is

611
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:15.239
um that these people suffer from you
know, experiences suffer from PTSD. You

612
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:21.719
can't fake PTSD, then I'm aware
of and so um, you know,

613
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:27.360
if that's the case, then these
people are suffering. And again I'm going

614
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.840
to hit this note kind of hard, and in my doc I do touch

615
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:34.440
on this. You know, making
fun of people are not believing someone who

616
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:38.679
who has symptoms of of you know, of what they've had and whether it's

617
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:44.159
good or bad, they're always is
trauma attached to it. It's like saying

618
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:49.079
to someone, oh, you were
accosted and you were molested. Really was

619
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.719
the van white or was it silver
or was it black? You know?

620
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.480
Was it you know, was it
rope or was it you know? It's

621
00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.280
making fun of that, and you
would never do that to someone in that

622
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.360
situation. So why would you do
that with someone who has, you know,

623
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:07.840
claims of this Whether you believe it
or not, they believe it is

624
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.199
what's important. So you have to
hold on one hand, it's a personal

625
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.159
thing. The second is, let's
walk through the scenario of what it would

626
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:20.559
be like in our best case scenario. Best case scenario is maybe they don't

627
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:25.239
land at the white hot House.
They land at a fair or something where

628
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:30.039
people aren't prepared and they don't have
weapons nearby. Though if it's in Texas

629
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:35.079
that might not be the case.
But say a fair, you know,

630
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:38.639
somewhere and maybe Seattle. Would you
say they would land there a bunch of

631
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:42.840
people, everyone's got their cell phones
and stuff, and if they're not doing

632
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.920
this, if they look up and
see this, they videotape this, they

633
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.599
have it, there's encounters all that
stuff. I think that would be and

634
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:52.880
from different angles, because it's all
about triangulating, you know, which is

635
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:58.559
what Mark D'Antonio was working on with
his Fay would Dug Trumble and a few

636
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.639
others have the same type of program
where they're looking at you know, getting

637
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:06.480
all these different angles. So we
would have that and then we have this.

638
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:08.920
Okay, so this is gold.
So we have it. We take

639
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:13.280
it back and we put it online
and everyone sees it and it gets millions

640
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:15.920
of hits and everyone's like, wow, this is it. And then the

641
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:22.119
debunkers you know, come in,
and then it comes in it's news,

642
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.880
and then it goes and did it
change anything? They came they did this

643
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.159
well the military when they came out
in twenty seventeen, the Navy and said,

644
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.960
yes, these things have been occurring, this is it. It's already

645
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:39.199
been legitimized. So it's now just
seeing the occupants whoever is flying these these

646
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.440
things. So now they're not unmanned
drones. Now there's something now you see

647
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.679
that. So again, what is
the ultimate end game? And I always

648
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:52.800
ask you four researchers this and fans
of this field, this unique field,

649
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:55.880
I go, what is the ultimate
goal? Guys? Is what do we

650
00:48:55.920 --> 00:49:02.119
want, and if it's that we
want to have confirmation that there's life elsewhere,

651
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.519
well, I think the odds are
that we know that that's the case.

652
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:14.159
Do we want confirmation that they're humanoids? Well, that's uncertain, which

653
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:19.000
is why I kind of lean a
little bit terre equally into Michael Masters who

654
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.719
says that they could be from the
future, because you know, if this

655
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:24.559
hybrid program as an example, if
that's real, they're not going to be

656
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:31.039
able to breed with another species.
I mean, they might have technology,

657
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:35.000
but it would be much easier.
Let's say, if they're from the future,

658
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:37.920
and the way that that Mike has
mapped out, Michael has mapped out

659
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:42.559
where we've come and where we're going, we're ending up looking like them.

660
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:46.559
I mean, it sounds like that's
pretty irrefutable at this point. So if

661
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:52.440
they're coming back in time and they're
breeding with us because there's too much you

662
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:54.119
know, inbreading going on, and
I guess they've got ban Joe's in the

663
00:49:54.159 --> 00:50:00.400
future, I don't know then will
get that reference, but maybe a few.

664
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.960
Yeah, that's okay, it's just
for the few. Um, So

665
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:09.920
I think that that's um you know
something that again it's it's, you know,

666
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:15.800
the humanoid thing. That's I think
life has already been visiting us in

667
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:19.199
so many different forms. We haven't
a clue. We have not a clue.

668
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.679
There's no way they're not you know, and they're not all going to

669
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:27.480
look like us. And and you
know, I was interviewing Michael for my

670
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.599
doc and I said masters, And
I said, how come no one talks

671
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:39.519
about reptilian hybrids little reptilian children are
mantis? So maybe there's something to what

672
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:43.719
he's saying, which is that you
know, they look like us or the

673
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.920
humanoids or humanoids because maybe they you
know, you know, are us.

674
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:49.920
And what does that mean? Because
at some point we're going to figure out

675
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.480
time travel and that whole thing where
you can only go back to the moment

676
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:58.079
you created it. We don't we
don't know what we don't know. And

677
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.079
that's the biggest thing that I like
to throw out to every single scientist that

678
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.679
loves to throw down and says,
look, here are the laws and blah

679
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:07.039
blah blah. And I'm like,
every law that I know has been broken

680
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:14.840
so well. I recently was in
Arizona speaking with Mark Dantonio. We had

681
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.599
several nights where we were hanging out
together and we talked to a lot.

682
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:24.119
He's got a really interesting theory about
extinction events and you know how things may

683
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:28.559
have been so much different. And
one of them is the dinosaurs, because

684
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:31.440
you know, the dinosaurs, some
of them were around like three hundred million

685
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:37.519
years and one of them, in
particular, the brain. They could see

686
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:43.760
the brain was getting larger. And
so if that extinction event did not happen

687
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.280
where they were wiped out, you
know, would we be having reptilians.

688
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:52.880
You know that we're intelligent and learn
how to you know, build things and

689
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:57.519
and actually you know, do things
in the future. I mean, it's

690
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.880
pretty pretty fascinating. And that's when
the man, you know, the mammals

691
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:05.199
took over after that extinction event.
But if that hadn't happened, we would

692
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:09.039
certainly be very different than we are
today. Right, But then the big

693
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:21.760
question is why did that extinction event
happen their time? Yeah, it being

694
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:24.679
here for so long, you know, and yeah, yeah we have.

695
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:29.079
We're going into a break here in
like two minutes just to let you know.

696
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:36.000
And actually the clip I'm going to
talk about as a girl named Denise,

697
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:40.079
she was at the boot camp out
in Arizona, and I am down

698
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:45.119
to just a couple of clips every
week. I'd like to run a clip

699
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:50.599
that is a UFO sighting. So
I just saw someone David in Chat just

700
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.199
a little while ago, said he
had a very unique UFO sighting. I

701
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:59.079
am recording with these people. This
one in particular was at the boot camp,

702
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:02.039
so it's a little bit loud for
background noise, But for those of

703
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.679
you who have had a unique UFO
sighting, I'd like to talk to you

704
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:09.960
see if it would be something we
can make a clip with and have these

705
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:15.519
because I'm getting a lot of people
saying they're really enjoying these UFO incidents,

706
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.360
you know, on the clips in
between the show, so we can I

707
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.079
think we can roll right into that. Hopefully, Bill, we'll be ready

708
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.920
over there, and when we come
back, i'd like to talk about more

709
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:31.920
of where you think the UFO community
is headed and with the information we have,

710
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:37.840
you know from the government, how
they're taking this more seriously, the

711
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:42.519
path forward, etc. Etc.
We'll make it up as we go like

712
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.119
we usually do. Dean, all
right, all right, so hanging there

713
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:51.360
everyone over at kg R A Radio
will be right back. It's about a

714
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:57.440
five minute break and here is Denise. She had a cigar shaped UFO sighting

715
00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:06.320
back in nineteen seventy three. Here
we go, So Tenis has been nice

716
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.320
meeting you here at the boot camp, the moof On boot Camp. But

717
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:15.039
I want to hear about your UFO
sighting you had in nineteen seventy three.

718
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.880
In nineteen seventy three, guests,
I was fourteen years old and this occurred

719
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:25.639
in upstate New York, in a
town called Greece. And it occurred at

720
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:30.719
the end of the summer, towards
the beginning of the school year, probably

721
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.920
the end of August, beginning of
September. And I was riding my bicycle

722
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:38.880
with my girlfriend from my house to
her house, and it was twilight or

723
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:45.360
approaching twilight, And as we came
up to a path that cut through the

724
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:52.599
back of the high school and through
the football field, I felt compelled to

725
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:59.320
look to my right, and to
my right there were a bank of trees,

726
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:05.639
and I saw a very large craft
rise from behind the trees and almost

727
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:12.679
right about tree top level. It
was quiet. There was like no perturberation

728
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.719
of the air or anything. It
was just like silent, and it came

729
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:22.920
over the trees and started moving in
our direction, and she and I got

730
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:30.599
off our bikes and lean them up
against the bleachers, and the craft came

731
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:35.800
towards us and very very close.
I can't tell how many feet, but

732
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:42.199
it was just a little bit above
the bleachers. And I can describe the

733
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.679
craft to you, Yeah, I'd
love to hear. There were some symbols

734
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:50.719
on the bottom linet. The central
part of the body was like cigar shaped,

735
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:55.400
and there were three appendages coming out
from one side and from the other,

736
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:59.559
and they ran parallel to each other, and there were lights at the

737
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:04.480
end of each of those appendages.
Wow, the craft was very large,

738
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:08.880
as large as a football field,
if maybe not even bigger. And so

739
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:16.480
there were these symbols on the bottom
that looked like they kind of looked like

740
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:24.280
hieroglyphics or maybe Russian letters. But
I was fourteen, so my interpretation of

741
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:28.320
what I was seeing was limited based
on that, because I don't really have

742
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.679
any true recollection of what they look
like now. I just remember what my

743
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:38.639
impression was then. So the next
thing I know, she and I were

744
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:44.280
standing there, and next thing I
know, it's dark. Not too much

745
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:46.119
later. Couldn't have been too much
later, because we both had a curfew.

746
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:52.719
Okay, Lamascus, did you did
you remember seeing it leave and then

747
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:59.320
or was it just all of a
sudden it was dark? Well, well

748
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:05.360
it was and the craft was still
there, and we were standing there looking

749
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:12.920
up at it, and from our
vantage point we could see these these winds

750
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:16.920
look like windows, square shaped,
and there was like an amber glow to

751
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:25.559
them coming from the inside. And
I could see silhouettes of occupants. Did

752
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:30.400
they look humanoid in a way,
would you say? Or larger heads?

753
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:34.639
I mean, I don't want to
lead you by saying the larger heads things.

754
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:39.079
But did they look like normal size
heads than humanoids? It's very hard

755
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:43.119
for me to tell, you know, at this point it was a long

756
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:45.079
time ago, right, I can
just tell you what my impressions were at

757
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:49.480
the moment. Yeah, And there
were no details. It was just a

758
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:52.599
black silhouette, and there was movement, you could tell that they were moving

759
00:57:53.199 --> 00:58:02.159
and then m Yeah, and the
ships silently just rifted towards our left.

760
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:06.719
I don't know what direction that was. And she and I got in our

761
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:09.519
bikes and we rode to her house. And when we got to her neighborhood,

762
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:14.440
there were a lot of people standing
under driveways, looking at the lights

763
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:20.880
and talking about it. She and
I never spoke of it again, really,

764
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:24.320
and I've heard that many times.
I ran into her about I don't

765
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:29.400
know a few years ago at the
gym and ast got it and she refused

766
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:35.280
to discuss it. Did she seem
scared? The shades went down. She's

767
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:37.800
like, I don't want to talk
about that. Wow, all right,

768
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:44.320
thank you so much. That was
really interesting. Welcome back everyone. My

769
00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:47.079
guest looks like he's away from his
desk. I don't know if he had

770
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:52.400
his time run, but we have
Dean Aliotto. I'm looking at an empty

771
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:58.119
chair. He shall be back,
but again I am looking here he is.

772
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:04.559
I am looking for people that how
do UFO sighting like Denise and would

773
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:08.960
like to talk about it. And
also I had a woman named deb On

774
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:13.320
I don't know, maybe a month
and a month and a half ago,

775
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.000
that talked about her schoolyard sighting.
At some point, I'm gonna release her

776
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:22.840
original video and I'll let people know
when I do that. I had her

777
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:24.559
on as a guest kind of at
the last minute, but I do have

778
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:29.840
an original video. The first time
she told the story. Very interesting story

779
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:35.679
and welcome back Tom Sor right.
I had to call Denise and and open

780
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:38.440
up my documentary and put in this
new interview. This is how it happens.

781
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:44.599
Every time I think I'm done,
they pull you back. Yeah,

782
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:47.199
that was a strange encounter. And
I don't know if you caught this,

783
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:52.239
but she said on the three appendages
on each side, they had lights at

784
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:54.480
the end of them. Here we
are lights again, back with lights.

785
00:59:54.800 --> 01:00:00.159
It's interesting because you were asking her
and that would be very hard to hold

786
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:05.360
up in a court because you were
leading the witness, sir um. She

787
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:08.360
was reticent to say what it is. And usually when people really want to,

788
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:13.920
you know, come out and grandstand
about something and make more of something

789
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:17.679
that maybe is you know, what
it was, or even if it exists,

790
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:22.800
they don't do that. She was, you know, very shy about

791
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:24.519
doing that. I always look,
you know, towards that if it's someone

792
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:29.320
who's you know, freely throwing down
and gets into it and can be led.

793
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:31.239
She was not. She just told
you these are the facts. This

794
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:37.199
is what I remember. And yeah, you know again, it's it's you

795
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:42.960
know, it's this personal thing that
she's held onto, right, and you

796
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:47.000
know it's it's it is a you
know, she was a person that I

797
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:52.159
sort of had to talk into telling
her story. She had told her story

798
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:59.000
to my friend Donnan that was out
there with me, and she was reluctant

799
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.400
to talk about it. So,
you know, she told she had told

800
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:05.440
Donna, but I had not told
me at that point. I mean,

801
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:08.199
she would not. She was not
really excited about telling the story. And

802
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:15.239
again that's another thing, you know, I mean that makes you wonder about

803
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.280
you know, there's so many of
these these stories. I don't know if

804
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:22.320
this has happened to you. But
when you're out and about and you may

805
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:24.719
have a conversation with someone in public, does it ever come up? Do

806
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:30.000
you say, well, I'm actually
doing a film a series on UFOs.

807
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:32.039
Do you ever say that in public? And then people will say to you,

808
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:36.199
oh, well you should hear what
happened to my uncle or something like

809
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:39.480
that. Does that happen to you
all the time? I'll say, can

810
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:44.559
I have my bacon on the side, have everything in the UFOA just to

811
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:49.639
check, just to check, I'm
you know, if it seems like it's

812
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.679
it makes sense. I shot at
this location a couple of weeks ago,

813
01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:58.840
and this guy that I was filming
at had a UFO coffee table book and

814
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:00.039
I said, oh, you're in
the uf and he goes, yeah,

815
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:04.159
why He looked at me like,
you know, what do you know about

816
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:06.239
UFOs? You know, it's kind
of like, well, I know the

817
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:12.159
secret handshake, you're ready for this
and so UM he was telling me about

818
01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:15.400
his UM you know what what he
had known. He shared the story with

819
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:22.000
me that I'm hoping to get more
information on UM. But it's you know,

820
01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:27.239
they're out there and it doesn't take
you know much. I mean,

821
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:30.320
if you look at the odds of
you know, what the gallop poles were

822
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:31.760
and everything, of how many people
have seen things, you know, it's

823
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:35.320
a lot. You're on a plane, imagine you get on a plane and

824
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:39.199
there's a certain percentage of people that
have seen something that's nuts right there.

825
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:44.920
That's nuts. And it's kind of
like this weird taboo thing like you know

826
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:53.159
you can't talk about you know UM, you know you can't talk about I'm

827
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:55.760
just gonna say it's sex, like
you can't openly talk about it. But

828
01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:59.159
you know there are people that are
doing it. It's so you know,

829
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:01.920
it's it's it's something that's a part
of it. It's almost like a part

830
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:07.360
of society where it's like this is
an aspect of of of experience that comes

831
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:13.039
with being a human and this isn't
the only generation that has experienced that.

832
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:15.119
So again, you know, when
we're going to get to a place or

833
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:19.840
we stopped doing that, you know, it's it's you know, and I'm

834
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.280
not going to get into the whole
thing about the government saying, you know,

835
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:27.239
let's um discredit these people, let's
you know, ridicule them to the

836
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:30.920
point that no one wants to come
out because we were getting too many calls

837
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:35.079
and we're tying up the government's lines
during that that point. Not that that

838
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.760
isn't true, but certainly that was
you know, seventy years ago. It's

839
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:45.440
a different case now. And so
yeah, the nineteen fifty three Robertson panel

840
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.079
was basically just that. For those
of the you that are new, you

841
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:52.960
can google that and check that out. But um, yeah, it's it's

842
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:58.760
and you know, I don't know
if you ever caught this clip with it's

843
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:03.320
a It was about John mac when
he was having all that trouble with Harvard,

844
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:09.159
and I think it was it was
some known figure I can't think of

845
01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:14.000
who was a law professor there at
Harvard that says, sure, well,

846
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:17.400
we kind of talk about, you
know, about angels, and you know

847
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:25.559
that's okay to to believe in angels, but you certainly can't believe about aliens,

848
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:28.599
you know. Yeah, so,
which I think is a good.

849
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:35.320
Yeah, And there's more evidence to
support aliens than there are angels. You

850
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:40.400
know, how many times has angels
left I guess the stigmatas you could say

851
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:44.559
that, but have left marks,
little scoop marks and stuff, you know,

852
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:47.440
not many that I'm aware of,
Yeah, you know. And then

853
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:51.280
what is an angel? I mean, as Diana Pasalka has has you know

854
01:04:51.480 --> 01:05:00.800
done in her research? Was it? Uh? Sister Avalon Mary, Saint

855
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:05.119
Mary of Avalone who said that she
had this experience she thinks it's an angel,

856
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:11.679
doesn't look like one and ended up
probing her with this Wand what what

857
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:19.840
angels probe? Hmm, well rogue
aliens? Yeah, well we can do

858
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:25.280
a survey on that if you'd like. Sure, what angels probe? But

859
01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:28.800
anyway, No, that's that's interesting
because you know, I mean, you

860
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:33.679
go back throughout time in the lore, there was always something you know,

861
01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:39.519
and is it all fictional? You
know, whether it's the elves or lepricaans

862
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:45.079
or you know, but you know, who knows what it is exactly that

863
01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:49.199
people claim to have seen all the
way, you know, all the way

864
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:53.840
back then. And then there's the
big Foot aspect. There's all ghosts,

865
01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:59.400
there's all, you know. I
don't really want to lump UFOs in to

866
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:06.760
what I consider the paranormal realm because
there's so much, you know, evidence

867
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:12.360
out there that these things are happening. The question I remember Sam Moranto used

868
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:15.440
to get really upset when he was
asked, oh, so you you believe

869
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.480
in UFOs? He said, there's
nothing to believe in. They're here,

870
01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:28.039
the the you know, the evidence
is all around us. So yeah,

871
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:34.559
I'm again, it's kind of like
a again, you're tugging at the thread

872
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:38.480
of where our beliefs are at this
time. And you know, and you

873
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:42.519
test the metal of them. As
much as I don't want to conflate Bigfoot

874
01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:46.079
and with all this stuff, and
just want to believe that it's probably just

875
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:48.800
a bear on its hind legs,
which they do that all the time.

876
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:57.679
There's too much weirdness around that.
My rabbit hole that I'm working in is

877
01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:02.239
the UFO alien one, which includes
the perimeter triangle and everything else. But

878
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.320
where I am looking down, I'm
focusing on that. I haven't broaden it

879
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:10.639
into that yet. So, you
know, I think there's an argument that

880
01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:13.960
if you're going to get into paranormal, you have to throw in, you

881
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:17.239
know, something that appears and disappears
in your room at will. I think

882
01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:21.559
that kind of falls under what is
normal. And again it depends what your

883
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:25.920
definition of normalists. If your definitionists, oh, that's normal, you know,

884
01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:29.760
seeing spirits, you know, and
that's normal. I mean, chiefs,

885
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:31.199
if you go to Louisiana and you
want to sell your home, you

886
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:35.719
better have a spirit a history of
spirits in there, because that that helps

887
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:41.880
increase the value from what I hear
from bodies. Yeah yeah, I love

888
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:45.440
that stuff. So but can you
imagine saying that, oh, yeah,

889
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:48.480
we've been abducted several times in this
house. That back room there, Yeah,

890
01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:51.400
used to calm get my kids go
right through that. You know,

891
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:56.079
Oh that's great, Okay, here's
another hundred thousand. It doesn't work that

892
01:07:56.119 --> 01:08:00.440
way with that goes from more acceptable. There seemed to be more of vine.

893
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:03.920
Then you know, whenes that come
in and and you know, do

894
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:10.519
their thing turn off? Your spouse
and everything. I have a friend that

895
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:15.599
does real estate and I was doing
an auction at a home, took all

896
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:17.680
the antiques out of it, and
the family came in from out of town

897
01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:21.439
and they were looking for a real
estate agent. So I hooked them up

898
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:25.680
with my friend and he sold their
property. He called me, I don't

899
01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:29.399
know, maybe six months later,
and he said, did you know that

900
01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:36.000
house was haunted? And I said, no, what happened? And I

901
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:41.239
was dealing with the woman they built
it on the gravestones. Yeah. She

902
01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:45.680
was in her nineties and wonderful woman, and there was some friction in the

903
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:49.239
family and she wanted her family to
have all the pieces to say that were

904
01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:54.119
family pieces for generations. And they
came in and they told me sell everything,

905
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:57.000
and said, well, you know
your you know your grandmother really wanted

906
01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:00.279
these to stay in the family.
They said, sell it all. No,

907
01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:03.239
I'm not I'm not going to say
that's the reason that things were happening.

908
01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:08.760
But the people that bought the house
said all the furniture kept rearranging in

909
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:12.319
the attic. They could hear it
scraping on the floor and they'd run up

910
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:15.640
and it would be in different places. Um, so but in the state

911
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.319
of I know we're way off the
track of UFOs, But in the state

912
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:25.880
of New Hampshire, if the real
estate agent knows something ahead of time that

913
01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:29.359
there was things going on in the
house, he's supposed to put it in

914
01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:35.479
the contract disclosure. Yes, that's
called disclosure. Is that interesting? Yeah?

915
01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:40.199
Yeah, But I don't know how
that's in other states. But that's

916
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:45.840
that's pretty strange. About the Spirit
and Louisiana. Where have you said interesting?

917
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:51.000
But so you were at the conference, I want to say, was

918
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:58.279
it twenty eighteen, so then again
in nineteen Yeah, so this is post

919
01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:05.079
post the two thousand and seventeen article
that came out December sixteenth. I got

920
01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:10.720
there in March, the end of
March of that following year, so literally

921
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:14.279
within months of that announcement coming up. I had planned to come out before

922
01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:16.479
that happened, and so it was
still you know, the scuttle button when

923
01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:21.079
I came and did your podcast.
Ye, we had Stan Freemans and directly

924
01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:28.800
across from me, and then we
had uh Chis, we had Stephen Bassett.

925
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:30.760
Oh you talked about the whole group. We did the round robin.

926
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the
round robin and so we're all, you

927
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:39.039
know, talking about that and um
and I think to the Stars Academy had

928
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:41.840
just been kind of announced. I
think that was the big, the other

929
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:45.560
big news thing that was going down. So you actually came into back,

930
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:50.359
I should say, back into this
to look at it seriously on a different

931
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:57.720
level than we've seen for years,
you know, because it was just taboo

932
01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:02.079
more or less. And so my
question to you, have you seen a

933
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:06.960
change since you started digging back into
this. Have you seen a change in

934
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:13.199
the state of ufology overall? Uh? Yeah, I mean it's something that's

935
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:16.560
always going to be changing with any
field, right and even if it's you

936
01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:20.760
know, hunting meteors meteorites. For
me, it was something that I had

937
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:28.640
been kind of, you know,
adjacent to the phenomena. I would dip

938
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:30.760
in and dip out, you know. I'd always listened to Coast to Coasts

939
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:39.079
and Arc Bell and stuff like that
and George Knapp, etc. And and

940
01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:43.279
so I kind of got to a
place where because I had made this,

941
01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:48.880
this movie, which I didn't think
was very good. In fact, I

942
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:51.880
remember going to the screen that we
had the two screens, especially the one

943
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:57.079
that was a fantastic fest and it
was a sold out audience, and I

944
01:11:57.119 --> 01:12:00.199
said to my girlfriend Ali, I
said, get us, get us seat

945
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:03.479
on the aisle, because this could
go back, because I hadn't seen it

946
01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:09.039
in so many years. And then
I watched it and realized that it wasn't

947
01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:13.880
just kind of fun and and and
pay somewhat well, it was also a

948
01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:17.800
time stamp of the eighties, and
so this whole new audience was all over

949
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:23.159
it because it was this analog vibe, you know, shot on videotape and

950
01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:31.039
not digital, and so it ended
up, you know, having this kind

951
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:36.199
of this time capsule type thing that
you know, seemed to age well.

952
01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:41.560
I'm not sure that any of my
other projects did. But I've worked in

953
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:45.399
all different genres, and the one
genre that I kept coming back to again

954
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:48.840
and again, even with the remake
that I did for UPN was aliens and

955
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:54.960
UFOs. And then when I went
or just before when I started to you

956
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:59.680
know, put together my lecture that
I would be giving at International UFO Congress,

957
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.479
I realized that a third of my
IP was all UFO alien related and

958
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:06.560
realized that it's kind of always been
there, and I'd read the books and

959
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:10.279
they would come out. I think
I went through a period where the last

960
01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:16.159
book I had read was John Max
Abduction or Passport. Maybe it was maybe

961
01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:20.279
that was the last one, or
maybe it was one of David Jacobs,

962
01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:23.600
but I remember that was it where
I kind of hit the wall and went,

963
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:25.800
Okay, I need to take a
little break. And so it's been

964
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:30.880
kind of a bit of this and
that, and from twenty seventeen on,

965
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:35.159
I've I've kept one foot in the
rabbit hole. And what I've seen is

966
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:40.800
that there's a whole new generation coming
up, and I keep waiting for them

967
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:44.319
to step in the bear trap,
you know, where they're going to believe

968
01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:47.159
everything and say oh, this and
that, but they're not. I have

969
01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:49.920
a section in my documentary where we
look at the new, the new you

970
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:55.920
know UFO researchers, and these were
some of the most grounded people. You

971
01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:59.960
know. They're coming at this with
them an attitude that's kind of similar with

972
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:01.880
what I was saying earlier, which
is, you know, show me the

973
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:10.720
money, you know, prove prove
your your your commitment to me that you

974
01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:13.720
know the truth, proved to me, the commitment to the truth, and

975
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:15.640
then I can go there. Than
we have something to to sit and talk

976
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:19.760
about and so that was really refreshing. So I'm very very encouraged with that,

977
01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:24.279
whereas before it was just kind of
like, I think everything just got

978
01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:27.960
lumped in, and now people are
doing more all a heart. I would

979
01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:30.119
say that's the biggest thing that I
noticed, where it's like, I like

980
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:34.000
this, this resonates with me,
and this doesn't UM. So that's,

981
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:40.640
you know, first and foremost the
thing that I'm that I'm encouraged by UM.

982
01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:45.600
But I'm not encouraged by is um
anyone's saying they have all the answers

983
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:50.720
they don't uh. And you know, be wary of the person who does

984
01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:56.800
that to me, is uh is
you know that's a that's a sign,

985
01:14:57.119 --> 01:15:00.199
that's you know, a sign that
some it is coming at this from maybe

986
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:05.720
you know, more of an ego
place then than a truthful thing, because

987
01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:11.239
you know, as a filmmaker,
I don't know everything I've made, you

988
01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:14.640
know how many films and stuff and
projects. I'm still learning and I always

989
01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:16.720
want to be a student. That
way I have room to grow. Otherwise

990
01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:20.239
there's nothing to learn or you know
whatever. But you know, these people

991
01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:23.960
that came out, the one thing
that's kind of disturbing is these people who

992
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:29.800
came out and they they hijack people
and their beliefs like the Benowits case,

993
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:33.039
and they get you know, lauded
these people that have done it. I

994
01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:36.279
don't understand that. I know,
I won't get into it because I forgot

995
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:42.239
it was on your show last week
or already threw down Chris Lambright talking about

996
01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:45.880
the Paul Benowitz case. And Chris
will be on some time in January.

997
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:49.039
Okay. Oh, and speaking of
that, I should probably bring this up

998
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:54.520
real quickly and we'll jump right back
on that. Is that I just received

999
01:15:55.039 --> 01:16:00.600
from from Luel Osando's wife that he
has to do a media blackout. He

1000
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:02.399
was coming up in a couple of
weeks. He has to do a media

1001
01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:08.800
blackout until March, so he'll he
said that I'll be this will be one

1002
01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:13.479
of the first podcasts or if not
the first first podcast he'll be on,

1003
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:19.000
you know, apologetically to have to
bow out for December fourteenth. So I

1004
01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:24.520
just wanted to bring that back,
but continue on. Well, I didn't

1005
01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:27.800
get that email, so, um, I don't know what that's all about.

1006
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:30.760
Yeah, and I you know,
know his wife as well, so

1007
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:34.760
what Jennifer very nice? Yeah,
Yeah, she's great. Um So anyway,

1008
01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:39.399
Yeah, so that's kind of a
little bit of a bump that,

1009
01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:44.039
you know, how people get made
into you know, again, it's a

1010
01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:48.760
it's extending that fifteen minutes of fame. I've not done another UFL convention since

1011
01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:54.760
I started my documentary, not at
one because you were anything to say,

1012
01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:58.239
you were invited to. Yeah,
and I begged to be on just so

1013
01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:00.760
I could say I'm not going to
do it just I can make my point

1014
01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:05.279
because I have nothing new to say. Yeah, which is why you know,

1015
01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:09.680
we talked about kind of my history
with the found footage stuff. I'm

1016
01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:12.880
sorry for those who've already seen that. I always want to bring something new

1017
01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:15.359
to the table because every time you
speak, you know, have something new

1018
01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:18.640
to say, It's an opportunity and
shed light where it needs to be shed.

1019
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:25.479
So yeah, anyway, yeah,
and you know, I had this

1020
01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:30.920
up. Someone contacted me recently and
they asked me what are the best UFO

1021
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:36.119
videos to watch? And I don't
know at this point in the correspondence,

1022
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:39.880
I'm not sure. I mean,
I get a lot of email. I

1023
01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:45.000
try to answer every single one of
them when I can, and you know,

1024
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:47.239
I'm not sure if this person is
looking for I want to go on

1025
01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:50.840
YouTube and see a video clip of
a UFO, or they want to watch

1026
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:54.960
something like the phenomenon out of the
Blue, something like that. Those are

1027
01:17:55.000 --> 01:18:00.800
all really solid videos that are out
there for consumption. And and I also

1028
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:04.399
think very right off the top.
Yeah, and I also think that Ross

1029
01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:12.239
Cold Hearts Cold Hearts one for Channel
seven that's up on the internet with millions

1030
01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:15.319
of views. That's a really good
one that came out. I don't know

1031
01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:19.239
just what two months ago, something
like that. And he last week it

1032
01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:24.279
was announced that he's he's coming out
with something else. I don't I don't

1033
01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:26.600
know if you know anything about that. You wanted to look into it,

1034
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:29.600
I don't know if you had a
chance, did you. Yeah, No,

1035
01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:32.000
I have to reach out to to
Ross and see what's going. But

1036
01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:35.920
supposedly I don't even know this because
one of your guests said that or you

1037
01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:39.800
brought it up that he was getting
ready to throw it down on something.

1038
01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:42.960
So I'm curious what that is.
Yeah, it was actually someone in the

1039
01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:46.399
chat room. And I think I'm
going to open up the phone lines,

1040
01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:50.319
you know, ten minutes early,
and hopefully Bill will hear that. But

1041
01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:54.960
we're going to open the phone lines
now, so if anyone would like to

1042
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:58.720
call in, that numbers up on
the screen. It's eight five five four

1043
01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:01.399
seven two five four eighty three.
I guess the top of the night.

1044
01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:09.239
The topic of the night is basically, you know, the state of the

1045
01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:13.479
Union of Uthology. I guess we'll
put it that way. Yeah. Yeah,

1046
01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:18.720
So when you looked at this before, obviously you did. You did

1047
01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:23.239
overall. You looked at this back
when you were you had to create that

1048
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:26.439
movie back in nineteen eighty nine.
You had to look into it a little

1049
01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:30.520
bit. Then. That's prior internet, prior to ways of researching. Um

1050
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:34.000
was it? Did you look into
books to try to figure out how are

1051
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:40.520
you going to make this abduction movie? Yeah? There was this thing it

1052
01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:45.279
looks very similar to this, which
is what I'm going to start reading.

1053
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:49.520
Um and uh, it's a book. They call these books and they have

1054
01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:57.520
and then the thing called the library. I heard about that or is that

1055
01:19:57.640 --> 01:20:01.000
librry? I can't remember? Yeah, yeah, um, I don't know

1056
01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:05.680
where you put the accent library or
library? Um, there was. It

1057
01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:11.000
was funny when I was selling my
swag my videos at the conference, people

1058
01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:12.960
would come up a certain percentage that
would come and say, do you have

1059
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:15.039
any books? And I would say, no, but I have something better.

1060
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:19.920
I have this, And I realized
that that was the wrong answer because

1061
01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:26.640
books allow you to take it in
and to not have a music score telling

1062
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:29.119
you how to feel. You can
just disseminate, you know, as you

1063
01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:31.720
want. So, um, a
big fan of books, but I did.

1064
01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:34.319
I threw down on a whole bunch
of books. Um, you know,

1065
01:20:34.399 --> 01:20:41.640
even Roswell books at the time and
everything, and so all of those

1066
01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:45.439
were you know, again communions scared
the shit out of me. Excuse my

1067
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:48.960
French, but it really terrified me
because it was it was well written,

1068
01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:53.600
and it was it was you know, as we say, played straight,

1069
01:20:54.439 --> 01:20:59.920
and what he was describing there was
just something that you know, resonated with

1070
01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:04.199
it's authenticity and so um, it
was you know, it was a big

1071
01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:09.279
influence. And of course Spielberg was
my first you know influence that and In

1072
01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:13.399
Search Of that series In Search Of
was always my favorite. So before I

1073
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.880
got in, yeah, before I
got into actually making content, healing content,

1074
01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:20.399
um, I would dip in and
out, dip in and out,

1075
01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:26.439
and then I found that around the
two thousands, I went, you know,

1076
01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:30.319
again, almost full rabbit hole and
have been in there and find it

1077
01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:33.640
endlessly fascinating. And you know,
I'm I have some theories and some ideas

1078
01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:39.159
on where the you know, where
the the research and the phenomenon is heading.

1079
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:42.119
Two. Okay, well, well
we'll touch on that. We have

1080
01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:45.319
a caller, we'll touch on that. Just remember that, we'll get back

1081
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:47.840
to it. Jeff is on the
line from Indiana. Jeff, you're live

1082
01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:54.119
on the air. Welcome to the
show. Yeah, good evening, Good

1083
01:21:54.119 --> 01:22:00.399
evening, even Jeff. Yeah,
I can barely hear um. I just

1084
01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:03.000
want to say I'm not very I'm
very good speaker, and I'm usually not

1085
01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:09.039
very prepared on something like this.
But on the first hand, experiencer very

1086
01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:12.359
close range broad daylight. I've called
him before. Martin Bride knows who I

1087
01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:15.000
am. I said him a picture
here a while back up some stills I've

1088
01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:18.199
taken of them. I can see
them periodically at will. My wife can

1089
01:22:18.279 --> 01:22:26.840
also, and which proves absolutely nothing
unless like I've seen it. Stay.

1090
01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:29.920
A good term is if you can
kick the tires on one, we're not

1091
01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:34.760
going to learn anything. But we
had, like you know, forty feet

1092
01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:43.319
from our face experience of these things
moving over us. And it was out

1093
01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:45.800
of the blue. We were sixty
some years old when it happened. I

1094
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:54.439
was always interested in it, but
we never ever saw anything. And the

1095
01:22:54.479 --> 01:22:59.720
first thing it happens in your mind
is it's racing to try to figure out

1096
01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:04.560
what you're looking at, and you
have nothing in your arsenal in your mind

1097
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:12.760
to describe what you're looking at,
because it is so strange, is absolutely

1098
01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:17.640
mind blowingly strange. It almost gives
you a feeling of divinity, like that's

1099
01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:24.960
something God would write it, you
know. And I was not afraid.

1100
01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:29.840
We were not afraid. It was
like I was just ecstatic. I said,

1101
01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:33.640
look, these things are real.
We're witnessing it. You know.

1102
01:23:33.680 --> 01:23:35.840
My wife was standing out of the
side of the car in a ditch and

1103
01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:39.600
I was standing almost on the road
because we pulled over to see them.

1104
01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:45.319
And we're watching two and tandem go
away. And then the fella lived right

1105
01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:46.760
there came up there and I grew
up with and I pointed them out to

1106
01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:49.920
him, and you know, they're
only forty feet off the ground, and

1107
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:56.840
they're moving about fifteen miles an hour, and they're this brilliant orange paul sating

1108
01:23:56.880 --> 01:24:01.039
the red almost like a heartbeat.
Ranges the red like this red light would.

1109
01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:08.560
And then a few minutes later,
a single came from behind us,

1110
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:12.039
and then a few minutes after that, another single one came from behind us.

1111
01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:15.520
They were all four identical, and
I got the feeling. I told

1112
01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:17.880
my wife, I said, those
two that just came over us were watching

1113
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:23.239
us. Watched the first two.
That's the feeling I had, like they

1114
01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:30.560
were watching our reaction. But I've
researched. This happened in twenty twelve.

1115
01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:34.760
I've researched this. Moufon came out, they wanted me to become a field

1116
01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:41.800
investigator. I refused because you know, I don't know if most people don't

1117
01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:46.479
know this. The majority of Moufon's
field investigators have never seen a UFO.

1118
01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:51.279
They're operating strictly on faith. So
they're like guys like me that have seen

1119
01:24:51.359 --> 01:25:00.399
them daylight, we know they're real. I've had conversations with jan Har and

1120
01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:04.840
he had the same experience with his
brother daylight sighting like this very close.

1121
01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:11.520
And but I didn't want to.
I just didn't want to. I thought

1122
01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:15.359
I was being more commercialized, and
I was dead serious about this because I

1123
01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:20.960
saw this, and I don't know
if it's disturbing. I don't figure.

1124
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:25.880
I don't care if the government came
out on every night at five o'clock.

1125
01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:28.640
I said, they're real, They're
real, They're real. It doesn't matter,

1126
01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:32.640
it doesn't you're still not gonna if
you're trying to attain the unattainable.

1127
01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:39.399
We're cavemen trying to figure out God. More or less. They might as

1128
01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:43.840
well be God, because that's how
advanced they are, I presume, and

1129
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:48.319
really always seeing what they are.
Are they projecting our mind what we want

1130
01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:53.119
them to see? Are they creating
the old scenario right before our eyes?

1131
01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:59.520
It's just so bizarre. And yes, Martin, I believe it should be

1132
01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:09.039
class fight in the paranormal because it's
definitely not normal. And there's always things

1133
01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:12.800
I want to say in my mind
goes blank on this, But well,

1134
01:26:13.039 --> 01:26:17.600
it doesn't matter that people don't believe. Yeah you do, you believe?

1135
01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:21.640
No, do you believe? You? I believe. It still doesn't matter.

1136
01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:27.920
It doesn't tell us what they are, right, Jeff. Yes,

1137
01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:32.439
So I have to respectfully disagree with
you on two things. Number one is

1138
01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:38.600
you are a very eloquent speaker.
You you I was there, you visually

1139
01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:43.760
created it for me there forty feet
moving silently, so don't worry about you

1140
01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:48.039
articulating yourself. That was I totally
get it. U. Second thing is,

1141
01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:53.800
you know. I said the same
thing to to Ivan Smith after I'd

1142
01:26:53.840 --> 01:26:57.039
gone to her experiencer group. And
it was really funny because I showed up

1143
01:26:57.039 --> 01:27:00.680
there and all of them said to
me that I looked really for milliar and

1144
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:02.520
they were messing with me. I
think they were messing with me like they've

1145
01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:05.479
seen me on the ship or something
before. And so I said to Yvonne,

1146
01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:11.079
I said, why am I compelled? I'm literally, like last April,

1147
01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:16.239
I turned down a feature film during
the pandemic to shoot a feature film.

1148
01:27:16.399 --> 01:27:19.000
It was a multimillion dollar budget,
the whole thing, and I turned

1149
01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:25.119
it down because I had to finish
this documentary. I was afraid that I

1150
01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:29.079
wasn't going to finish it if I
paused. And so I said, why

1151
01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:32.199
am I so compelled? I've never
been so compelled on any other project that

1152
01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:35.680
I've I've done before. I don't
I don't understand what's going on. And

1153
01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:39.279
she looked at me, laughed and
said and I said, you know,

1154
01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:42.239
and I don't get because I'm not
an experiencer I haven't seen anything that I

1155
01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:45.319
can quantify as you know, what
is this uh you know object that I've

1156
01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:48.960
not seen before? And she laughed
and said, Dean, they don't have

1157
01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:55.680
to knock on your door in order
to influence you. And so because you

1158
01:27:55.720 --> 01:27:58.880
know, Spielberg has never seen a
UFO either, but he sure as hell

1159
01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:02.560
knows how to make movies at the
same of the Cooper. So my feeling

1160
01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:08.880
is that you do want people like
John mac who are investigating this, because

1161
01:28:08.920 --> 01:28:17.159
they're going to be applying a certain
non projected regiment to understanding this that someone

1162
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:21.199
who has had an experience, although
that is very valuable in the field,

1163
01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:25.840
might not have. It's like a
detective doesn't have to be you know,

1164
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:29.479
a shot at etc. To go
and investigate a crime scene, right,

1165
01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:33.760
So I would just say leave a
little room for those people of us out

1166
01:28:33.800 --> 01:28:40.199
here that are trying desperately to understand
this, you know, even if it's

1167
01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:43.119
to get as close as we can
to have in our own experience. But

1168
01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:45.720
you know, everyone's trying to find
answers. At the end of the day,

1169
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:49.279
you know, the answer doesn't work
care work came from right, Yeah,

1170
01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:54.640
yeah, yeah, Jeff, you
I think we're having a lot of

1171
01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:58.920
phone noise here, so but anyway, I do appreciate the call to thank

1172
01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:02.560
you, thank you, thanks,
all right, all right, so next

1173
01:29:02.600 --> 01:29:09.199
on the line we have can call
it from la Ken. You're live on

1174
01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:14.479
the show. Yeah, I just
want to say that I've been following this

1175
01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:19.279
show both thing for like over forty
years, and I have heard so many

1176
01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:27.159
reports of UFOs happening on this planet. I've heard about so many reports of

1177
01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:32.640
underwater usos being seen, and I've
also heard reports of UFOs coming in and

1178
01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:39.399
out of the oceans. So it's
kind of obvious to me that there must

1179
01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:43.680
be some advanced civilizations that live in
our oceans, you know. And there

1180
01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:46.840
was also the story of Admirable Bird
going to the Antarctic and you know,

1181
01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:54.319
encountering this other civilization that they actually
had a battle with. And I don't

1182
01:29:54.319 --> 01:29:57.680
think that story is fake, but
yeah, and then you know, our

1183
01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:02.960
navy has admitted that they encounter up
those every single day, So again it's

1184
01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:10.079
kind of obvious to me that we're
not a lonumous planet they have. It

1185
01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:14.720
hasn't been every single days. I
think it skips every few days now.

1186
01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:17.159
It's if you talk to the people
who are involvement nimuts. They say that

1187
01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:21.239
they hadn't seen this before. Some
people had the week before that that was

1188
01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:28.840
showing up. But Ken, absolutely, I think there's more evidence. And

1189
01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:31.039
if I was going to point my
cameras in a direction, it would be

1190
01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:38.039
the oceans. I think that there
have been so many sightings going in and

1191
01:30:38.079 --> 01:30:41.000
everyone assumes that they're from another planet
because you look up and you see them

1192
01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:46.079
as they're you know, flying above
the landscape. But it could equally equally

1193
01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:49.600
as easily be coming from the oceans
and stuff. And the way that they

1194
01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:53.840
go in where it looks like the
water kind of moves around them with this

1195
01:30:54.000 --> 01:31:00.239
field that they've created anti gravitational field
or or some other means. So um,

1196
01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:02.399
you know, and the fact that
matters. We know more about space

1197
01:31:02.479 --> 01:31:06.000
than we know about our oceans.
So there already is life there, life

1198
01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:10.680
that we don't even know exists.
So um, the fact that there could

1199
01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:14.399
be something even beyond that, you
know, I would say we shouldn't be

1200
01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:18.119
surprised by that. Well. I
I also along those lines, Dean,

1201
01:31:19.319 --> 01:31:25.119
you have to think, okay,
if so they are living under their here

1202
01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:30.399
I am. I'm thinking of this
again as anthem por anthem. What am

1203
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:33.560
I trying to say human like thoughts
is what would they be doing there?

1204
01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:39.039
They can't be going around like,
you know, swimming around under there,

1205
01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:42.840
or have any environment me sing,
don't make me sing the theme to Disney's

1206
01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:50.000
I Know the Sea. That's all
I have to say. No, But

1207
01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:54.560
it just you know, what type
of environment could they have under the ocean,

1208
01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:59.239
you know, I mean that's another
speculative question. Well, or it

1209
01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:01.720
could be that they go through there
and they're going into their own dimension and

1210
01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:05.439
it's just the you know, the
way that they're traveling that it isn't actual

1211
01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:09.239
a physical See again, we have
to kind of say, all right,

1212
01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:11.520
we think it could be this physical
thing, but doesn't have to be.

1213
01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:15.279
What if it's something else that it's
not a physical place, it's it's a

1214
01:32:15.359 --> 01:32:17.800
if you were portal. Yeah,
you know, I'm not a big fan

1215
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:21.600
of the wormhole stuff. Not not
that I'm discounting it. I'm just saying

1216
01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:25.439
that just seems so volatile. It
seems like there's got to be other ways

1217
01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:30.079
to travel. Then, you know, I think the way that they're doing

1218
01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:33.560
this is so easy that you know, when I hear about folding time and

1219
01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:38.560
stuff. You know certainly that that
factors into it. But you know when

1220
01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:41.000
I hear it, well, we
should be able to go four light years

1221
01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:44.279
away, and if we have the
right technology, we could do that eight

1222
01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:47.560
years that's too long. Whatever they're
doing, it's instantaneous, and I think

1223
01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:51.720
every planet maybe has its own different
frequencies that they're tuning in. Why not

1224
01:32:53.159 --> 01:32:57.840
we know that the Higgs Bog collider
they found eleven dimensions so far, So

1225
01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:01.560
you know, we're at the precipice
of understanding what we don't understand what we

1226
01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:06.039
don't know. That's right, Bill, Bill commented, you just sent a

1227
01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:11.079
chat to me. The ocean may
be a barrier to keep us out of

1228
01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:15.039
reach. And for all we know, they can have underground bases underwater,

1229
01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:18.319
which is you know, I mean, crazy as it sounds, it's it's

1230
01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:23.680
possible. You get down just of
short way down there and it's black.

1231
01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:27.439
You know they're okay, right,
But let me ask you this. How

1232
01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:33.640
many times I'm curious how many times
have the projected warnings at the aliens and

1233
01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:39.039
parted telepathically to these experiences? Have
they talked about the oceans as well?

1234
01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:42.319
So if I'm living there specifically,
I'm living. Actually, that would be

1235
01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:45.720
the first thing I would say,
is hey, really to me to throw

1236
01:33:45.760 --> 01:33:49.079
your plastic bag in the ocean?
The straws, it's mostly above land.

1237
01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:53.600
They do include it, I know
they do, but I would hit that

1238
01:33:53.640 --> 01:33:58.279
one pretty hard if I was physically
living, you know, under there.

1239
01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:01.079
I wonder if it's the sushi.
I wonder if that's what it is.

1240
01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:04.880
Yeah, yeah, but again,
why are they going out and coming back?

1241
01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:09.600
Where are they going? That's why
I'm so disturbed when I hear these

1242
01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:14.840
critics, you know, uh talk
about you know, like Neil de grasse

1243
01:34:14.920 --> 01:34:16.439
Tyson, they're just if you see
them, they're they're flying. If they

1244
01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:19.800
exist, when they're flying everything,
it's like, really, you're gonna appear

1245
01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:23.600
here and you're not going to pull
over. Maybe you're not gonna hit in

1246
01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:27.119
and ut Burger, but you know
you might pull over, stretch out for

1247
01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:29.439
a little bit, check something.
You know, you're not just going to

1248
01:34:29.479 --> 01:34:31.880
fly through. And if it's a
drone, why doesn't need to be forty

1249
01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:35.560
feet long? We have drones right
now that are the size of you know,

1250
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:42.840
flies, right, that's right.
I heard Neil de grasse Tyson recently

1251
01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:47.039
say, why is it only the
military that sees these things. And you

1252
01:34:47.079 --> 01:34:50.279
know, I mean what you're not
paying attention, nail? Yeah, for

1253
01:34:50.359 --> 01:34:55.960
the past seventy years. Right,
Um, let's see do we still have

1254
01:34:56.640 --> 01:35:00.800
is it cannon? You still there? Ken? I think Kenn has gone.

1255
01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:03.399
So the line is open and that's
eight five five four seven two five

1256
01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:09.960
four eighty three. Are you welcome
to throw us a question? A DNA

1257
01:35:10.079 --> 01:35:15.880
question? But yeah, you know, the the moving between you know,

1258
01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:21.439
the different mediums is fascinating to me
because first of all, you know,

1259
01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:27.840
I know I brought this up many
times, and but why isn't there a

1260
01:35:27.920 --> 01:35:31.920
sonic boom? And why aren't there
splashes in the water, you know,

1261
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:38.000
when these things seem to go down
into the water. And and you know,

1262
01:35:38.079 --> 01:35:43.720
Mark d' antonio was on board where
a submarine where a vehicle was traveling

1263
01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:46.840
at several hundred knots. You know, how can something move through the water

1264
01:35:47.079 --> 01:35:50.600
at that type of speed? This
is going back twenty years. You know,

1265
01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:57.199
it makes you really wonder how,
if if we are being visited by

1266
01:35:57.279 --> 01:36:00.960
whatever, what are they and how
can they do the things? Yeah?

1267
01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:04.479
Again, I think that we have
to just look at the simple fact and

1268
01:36:04.479 --> 01:36:08.720
if you want to call Aukham's razor
or whatever you want to call it.

1269
01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:13.359
If we had that technology, are
we not doing the same thing? Are

1270
01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:19.279
we not going out to other civilizations
and doing you know, exploratory missions.

1271
01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:23.800
Of course, of course we would
be doing that. We would check out

1272
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:28.760
life as it exists, and and
so it just it makes sense if we

1273
01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:31.640
can even just project to our limited
scope of understanding how life is, that

1274
01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:36.159
we would do that. Of course
some events civilization you know, would do

1275
01:36:36.239 --> 01:36:41.640
that. It just makes total sense. And the irony is smart people like

1276
01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:45.159
you know, um, Stephen Hockey, you know, he's like, we

1277
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:48.479
never should have sent out voyager.
That was a mistake because you know,

1278
01:36:48.920 --> 01:36:53.600
look at our civilization what we do
well, as even Seth Soctack will say,

1279
01:36:53.960 --> 01:36:58.159
that's you know, what we've done
to our own but it's not species

1280
01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:00.560
to species, right, But we've
already sent out the signal that we had

1281
01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:04.520
nothing to do with. And it
happened, you know, billions of years

1282
01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:10.720
ago when we had an atmosphere that
had oxygen. Yeah, that's a visual

1283
01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:15.079
stamp. That's that's identifiable. And
when the James Web launches, it's been

1284
01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:19.119
to believe that it comes out December
twenty second, my hope is that we

1285
01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:23.479
see something I got that to me
is the smoking gun. If you really

1286
01:37:23.479 --> 01:37:26.760
want a smoking gun, it's it's
not grabbing them down. And you know,

1287
01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:30.000
a ship crashing, which just can
we take a moment for that ship

1288
01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:35.479
crashes. I need to understand.
Help me understand how a ship crashes and

1289
01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:41.359
the government's uh, you know,
on site task force gets there ahead of

1290
01:37:41.399 --> 01:37:44.159
them, sending out a signal to
their ship when they can travel so fast.

1291
01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:48.199
I understand that it makes sense that, you know, things do crash.

1292
01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:51.399
You know, I have a car, it's you know, it's pretty

1293
01:37:51.399 --> 01:37:55.399
stable, but occasionally got to get
the winshe wipers, and you know,

1294
01:37:55.720 --> 01:38:00.640
stuff happens. But I feel like
if that had happened throughout history, there

1295
01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:04.520
would be someone some indigenous people that
would be cooking this big walk that would

1296
01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:08.840
be a shell of a ufo and
be like, hey, this is their

1297
01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:13.840
communal thing that we do and it
be repurposed or something. So barring that

1298
01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:16.760
happening, which I would love to
see a crash craft. And I'm not

1299
01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:20.239
saying that that hasn't happened, it's
just I just need to get that over

1300
01:38:20.279 --> 01:38:25.720
that thing. I think the smoking
gun is us finding another civilization ourselves and

1301
01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:29.960
seeing that and yeah, you know, I think that's the ideal. Yeah,

1302
01:38:30.079 --> 01:38:33.720
James Webb will have hundred one hundred
times the capacity of the Hubble,

1303
01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:39.000
so you know, maybe we will
see those life signals out there. It

1304
01:38:39.159 --> 01:38:42.800
sure will be an exciting time.
One seth top. We have someone on

1305
01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:46.720
the line, Nicole in Washington.
Nicole, you're alive on the air.

1306
01:38:50.119 --> 01:39:00.159
Hello Nicole, Nicole and Washington.
Can you hear me? Oh? You

1307
01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:06.199
know it? Maybe I'm sorry,
Nicole, try again. Yes, it's

1308
01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:13.399
hi there, welcome to the show
to call Hi. Thank you, Martin,

1309
01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:15.319
you have a wonderful show. Thank
you for all your work. Well,

1310
01:39:15.399 --> 01:39:20.279
thank you. And my question is
about whether you feel that the high

1311
01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:30.680
incidents of sightings around nuclear installations and
weaponry could be not as much that they

1312
01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:36.880
are interested in those sites for the
idea of us, you know, having

1313
01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:45.920
the ability to destroy ourselves, but
that the existence of the nuclear matter assists

1314
01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:49.920
in some way for them to be
able to come through. However they're doing

1315
01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:58.079
that that somehow that express sort of
level of decreased randomness that's created by those

1316
01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:04.760
nuclear um distance of the nuclear material
might in some way affect that process.

1317
01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:10.359
That's really interesting. That's awesome.
I love that I haven't heard that one

1318
01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:14.159
before. Congratulations. That's like the
first new theory I've heard in a couple

1319
01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:19.840
of years. It's interesting because if
you talk to the people who researched this,

1320
01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:26.640
they'll tell you that They'll tell you
that the people who discovered created the

1321
01:40:26.720 --> 01:40:31.920
rockets for what became the US Space
program and the Russian space program both believe

1322
01:40:31.960 --> 01:40:38.399
that extraterrestrials gave them that technology.
So if they gave him that technology as

1323
01:40:38.439 --> 01:40:43.520
there are a chance that that might
have also been imparted with Oppenheimer. I

1324
01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:48.439
mean, it's a dark you know
version or dark question. But so you're

1325
01:40:48.479 --> 01:40:53.840
saying that maybe it's not literally like
nical that they literally punched a hole through

1326
01:40:53.840 --> 01:40:59.880
where they created a vortex for them
to go through because of the nuclear fall

1327
01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:03.279
or the nuclear blast itself, and
then they came through that because we've had

1328
01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:08.880
reports of UFOs way before them.
No, no, no, not the

1329
01:41:08.960 --> 01:41:15.079
actual blast, not anything to do
with the actual detonation. But in general,

1330
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:19.479
it seems like sites that are not
actually you know, detonating any of

1331
01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:24.359
this nuclear material have so much have
a higher incidence, Like all of the

1332
01:41:24.399 --> 01:41:29.800
sites in you know, the all
of the areas where we have silos Montana

1333
01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:35.439
and North Dakota and all of those
incidents up there, that it's purely the

1334
01:41:35.479 --> 01:41:45.640
fact that that that that enormous amount
of nuclear product up there somehow changes how

1335
01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:51.640
they're able to access whatever whatever way
they come through to us. Might have

1336
01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:57.640
something to do with what I think
might be like a decrease in the randomness

1337
01:41:57.760 --> 01:42:03.920
of that area, which I think
you could possibly extrapolate to some other ideas

1338
01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:10.079
of why certain areas have higher incidents
than other areas, that there might be

1339
01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:16.640
things such as like high iron containing
areas. UM. I don't know that

1340
01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:25.600
you know, there's been a lot
of research on actually like nuclear producing energy

1341
01:42:26.439 --> 01:42:30.039
as far as reactors, but I
think that would be a really interesting area

1342
01:42:30.119 --> 01:42:36.159
for research to find out whether there's
higher incidents in areas that have have reactors.

1343
01:42:36.720 --> 01:42:43.680
I lived orting it or twenty miles
from Three Mile Island when it exploded

1344
01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:47.520
or had its incident. So it's
just UM, and I did have a

1345
01:42:48.319 --> 01:42:53.119
I did have an occurrence as a
child of what I believe to be a

1346
01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:57.319
UFO, and so I just was
interested in that as an idea. I

1347
01:42:57.359 --> 01:43:01.079
don't know if anybody's really looked into
it. Thank you well, thank you

1348
01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:03.720
for the call. I mean,
I don't know if you've ever heard of,

1349
01:43:03.880 --> 01:43:10.079
you know, the Chernobyl they were
saying they thought they saw UFOs over

1350
01:43:11.119 --> 01:43:15.840
before the sarcophagus was built, you
know, right after the meltdown. They

1351
01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:19.760
were saying there were a lot of
people claiming that they were seeing UFOs there.

1352
01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:25.199
I don't know if you ever heard
that. That's That's exactly the point

1353
01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:30.119
that I was, you know,
feeling like that might be sort of multiple

1354
01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:35.960
different strains of the same the same
reason, but yet it showed up in

1355
01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:41.039
different ways, like the Chernobyl having
an incident, and then also just like

1356
01:43:41.079 --> 01:43:46.640
our northern tier of military silos.
My father was based in my not North

1357
01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:51.479
Dakota, his Air Force officer,
And you know, I think that a

1358
01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:58.319
lot of those incidents might be more
related than we think they are. And

1359
01:43:58.359 --> 01:44:02.680
I think that it might be something
where people have sort of put on a

1360
01:44:02.840 --> 01:44:11.439
causation of thinking that they're looking at
our military nuclear sites because specifically looking at

1361
01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:15.079
them as weapons, and that is
their reasoning. But I think it might

1362
01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:20.079
have something much more fundamental to do
with how they actually need some sort of

1363
01:44:21.119 --> 01:44:26.239
I wouldn't say weakness, but some
sort of opening, some way for them

1364
01:44:26.279 --> 01:44:29.680
to come to come through to us. Well, how do you factor in?

1365
01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:33.399
I'm curious how do you factor in? And I guess Fukushimi, we

1366
01:44:33.399 --> 01:44:38.600
should probably see if there were sightings
there when that whole meltdown happened. But

1367
01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:43.880
how do you factor in that?
A lot of these sites are given demonstrations,

1368
01:44:44.319 --> 01:44:47.000
they're not just kind of appearing and
hanging out. There have been reports

1369
01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:53.119
from credible people that worked at these
bases were these missiles have gone up and

1370
01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:57.600
they've had the cones where they've got
dummies. They don't actually they're not,

1371
01:44:58.239 --> 01:45:02.720
you know, equipped with any warheads. They're just doing an exercise and they

1372
01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:10.800
go up and these um, these
rockets have been hit with supposedly beams of

1373
01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:14.760
light that kind of you know,
these ships were these crafts, these UFO

1374
01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:17.199
UAPs, we'll move around them as
that's happening, kind of like a demonstration.

1375
01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:21.319
And then there's also the shutting down. So it seems like for me,

1376
01:45:21.399 --> 01:45:25.279
I've always thought this it's just my
take on it. I've always thought

1377
01:45:25.279 --> 01:45:29.520
that it was a demonstration to say, just be aware that we can shut

1378
01:45:29.520 --> 01:45:34.359
this down at any time, we
can we control this not you. I

1379
01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:38.720
think that's a very valid theory,
and I think that that could, well,

1380
01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:41.920
you know, be the case.
I think you could also look at

1381
01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:45.720
it from the other side, if
it was this idea that they had more

1382
01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:51.279
ability to interact with that kind of
material than it might just be that that's

1383
01:45:51.359 --> 01:45:58.920
something that they're able to do because
of the nuclear sort of that decreased random

1384
01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:02.399
random in the area, that they
can then how somehow, you know,

1385
01:46:02.479 --> 01:46:08.159
interact with it better so that they're
able to affect something that maybe they couldn't

1386
01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:13.920
actually affect otherwise if there wasn't the
um sort of nuclear matter in that in

1387
01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:16.560
that region. I mean, I
think there is always a possibility that it's

1388
01:46:16.720 --> 01:46:23.479
multiple things. You know, that
that it's it's both what you're saying and

1389
01:46:23.680 --> 01:46:29.439
also that um that it somehow affects
how they traverse from wherever they're coming.

1390
01:46:29.479 --> 01:46:33.520
Whether that's a there a lot of
us researchers who like to say it's all

1391
01:46:33.520 --> 01:46:40.159
the above and none of the above, right exactly. Yeah, well it's

1392
01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:44.079
right well all the time. But
thank you so much, thank you,

1393
01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:48.399
it was a great call. Appreciate
it all right. So, you know,

1394
01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:54.680
while she was speaking I went ahead
and googled, you know, Fukushima

1395
01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:59.880
and UFOs and sure enough, yes, so there was orbs five orbs spotted

1396
01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:05.279
above the Fukushima. So whether that's
relating any type of way, or whether

1397
01:47:05.319 --> 01:47:10.720
they were earthquake lights, which is
a phenomenon that does happen. This was

1398
01:47:10.760 --> 01:47:14.439
talking about during you know, right
after the earthquake, so it could have

1399
01:47:14.479 --> 01:47:16.960
been just that, but it's fast
interesting. I wonder, I wonder if

1400
01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:20.600
if they appear not only in moments
of crisis, but if they appear like

1401
01:47:20.760 --> 01:47:28.000
at the Thriller and Manila Muhammad Ali
was having his big fight, if they

1402
01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:31.479
weren't there for that big event because
you know, kind of a big event

1403
01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:35.960
or is it just you know,
crisis moments. Yeah, yeah, Well,

1404
01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:41.520
you know, it is fascinating this
and you know, like my friend

1405
01:47:41.560 --> 01:47:45.359
says, a friend that I've been
speaking to about this, you know,

1406
01:47:45.439 --> 01:47:49.680
why isn't you know, when the
government is taking a look at this that

1407
01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:54.520
seems to me or seems to a
lot of people that are looking into this.

1408
01:47:55.439 --> 01:48:02.079
Why isn't the nuclear warhead shutdowns like
a major issue of national security that's

1409
01:48:02.119 --> 01:48:09.319
not being taken totally seriously and investigated
Because I think they are, and I

1410
01:48:09.960 --> 01:48:14.760
would never if I'm running that operation, I'm not going to advertise at all.

1411
01:48:15.239 --> 01:48:16.600
Again, as much as I like
to put myself in the ailings perspective,

1412
01:48:16.600 --> 01:48:18.920
I us like to put it in
a military or those who are in

1413
01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:21.760
the knowings perspective. You're not going
to come out and say, look,

1414
01:48:23.119 --> 01:48:27.520
we can't guarantee that it's someone else. I mean, if you look at

1415
01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:30.159
the Favor situation, it was benign. They flew around and took off nice

1416
01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:35.399
a little you know, kind of
aerobatics, right, So I think with

1417
01:48:36.239 --> 01:48:42.119
this it's it's breaching. It's an
active war and out and out active war.

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01:48:42.520 --> 01:48:45.039
And if you can't assign that to
anything, I think just coming out,

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01:48:45.079 --> 01:48:47.239
I mean that would be the next
level of I kind of hit to

1420
01:48:47.279 --> 01:48:50.840
use that word disclosure, reveal or
acknowledge, acknowledgement. I think it is

1421
01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:56.039
a better word of the military to
say that, But it would have to

1422
01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:59.439
be witnessed beyond that and have to
be footage and stuff. But hey,

1423
01:48:59.560 --> 01:49:04.800
before I forget, I wanted to
say this on your last podcast that I

1424
01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:11.399
am I have two years have I
been a Patreon subscriber? Yeah, I

1425
01:49:11.479 --> 01:49:15.119
love the fact that your podcast,
Dude, you're one of the only ones

1426
01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:19.079
that really don't have commercials all.
Thank The reason why you do that is

1427
01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:23.800
that you don't believe in that,
thank God. And so you're like again,

1428
01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:27.760
you're like my first go to I
think you and Alajandro don't do that.

1429
01:49:27.880 --> 01:49:30.560
Maybe there's maybe a couple more,
but that's appreciated. And so that's

1430
01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:34.880
why I subscribe and I pay because
my time is of value and I want

1431
01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:39.479
to be able to to you know, give back and hear stuff like this.

1432
01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:43.159
But also you know, it's a
convenience that comes back to me because

1433
01:49:43.159 --> 01:49:45.520
I don't have to sit through ads
and and you know here about Mike Pillow

1434
01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:49.479
and and uh, well out of
products that I don't really use. Well,

1435
01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:53.920
I will thank you for saying that
Dean and anyone can support the show

1436
01:49:53.960 --> 01:49:57.840
for a couple of dollars or more
a month. And that's the Patreon page

1437
01:49:57.920 --> 01:50:01.439
is linked right on podcasts uf do. But I will tell you this that

1438
01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:09.760
I get contacted constantly. I just
got contacted from an advertiser that wants to

1439
01:50:09.760 --> 01:50:13.560
pay me two hundred and fifty dollars
per show to run ads, you know,

1440
01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:18.199
their ads on it. And I
just decided in the beginning that that's

1441
01:50:18.239 --> 01:50:20.720
something that I'm not going to do. I don't want to run ads on

1442
01:50:20.760 --> 01:50:26.000
this um Now, there are ads
pop up on there are ads that pop

1443
01:50:26.079 --> 01:50:29.880
up on YouTube. You know that's
a way to uh, I have that

1444
01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:32.199
basically to supplement. You know,
the graphics are costly and you know the

1445
01:50:32.279 --> 01:50:36.800
things that I do UM on occasion, you know costs some money. But

1446
01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:42.600
anyway, thank you for saying that. I appreciate that. Yeah, so

1447
01:50:42.680 --> 01:50:45.920
we have we have like three minutes. But I'm going back to the to

1448
01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:49.119
the nukes, you know, I
mean when I had mentioned this, I

1449
01:50:49.239 --> 01:50:54.880
just mentioned it, I believe last
week. And also the very first episode

1450
01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:57.800
of the show is up on YouTube, by the way, on my YouTube

1451
01:50:57.880 --> 01:51:02.119
channel. Um so in particular,
I mentioned it as well. And that's

1452
01:51:02.159 --> 01:51:08.439
my insurance broker from years ago had
said that the UFOs had an interest in

1453
01:51:08.640 --> 01:51:14.560
nuclear. He didn't say nuclear weapons, he didn't say you know, nuclear

1454
01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:21.399
power plants. He just said nuclear
and you say nuclear or nuclear he said

1455
01:51:21.640 --> 01:51:27.399
any anything nuclear he said. I
do remember him saying it's not just warheads

1456
01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:30.199
though, it's power plants or something
like that. He said, they're very

1457
01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:36.000
interested in it, and you know, so why not plutonium. Why not

1458
01:51:38.039 --> 01:51:41.439
you know, she was talking about
nuclear you know, warheads and things like

1459
01:51:41.479 --> 01:51:45.319
that. But why if that's the
case, they have some type of interests,

1460
01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:50.600
you know, why not into the
element itself? Well? And then

1461
01:51:50.640 --> 01:51:55.479
how visible is it if you're you
know, how many feet under the ground

1462
01:51:56.079 --> 01:52:00.239
doing you know, plutonium, which
you're you know, unless you're certain as

1463
01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:02.640
you shouldn't be doing those. Are
they able to track that? Whereas missiles

1464
01:52:02.640 --> 01:52:06.399
and stuff they're you know, at
least the silos for it. You know,

1465
01:52:06.439 --> 01:52:10.720
you could do a flyover and see, yeah, that they're there.

1466
01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:13.800
So how visible? You know,
somebody needs to do research on that.

1467
01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:16.399
What what attracts them that? That
would be really interesting just to focus on

1468
01:52:16.439 --> 01:52:20.039
that one aspect. Yeah, Dean, it's been a real pleasure. We're

1469
01:52:20.119 --> 01:52:23.760
right at the end of the show. I can't believe it went so fast.

1470
01:52:24.119 --> 01:52:26.920
But thank you guys. Always you're
a good friend. It's always fun

1471
01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:30.000
to talk to you. Thanks for
coming on the show. Thank you for

1472
01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:33.079
inviting me, you bet, and
we'll have you back when your things are

1473
01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:35.640
we know when they're going to be
released and all that, all right,

1474
01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:41.319
Dean, You take care, all
right, take care? Yeah, all

1475
01:52:41.359 --> 01:52:44.399
right, everyone, So I'm going
to be back next week with Peter Slatterly

1476
01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:48.199
from Australia. Should be an interesting
show. You really have to get he's

1477
01:52:48.199 --> 01:52:51.399
got the real strong accent. But
he's a fun guy and it'll be a

1478
01:52:51.399 --> 01:52:55.520
great show. So remember everyone,
keep your eyes to this guy. We'll

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01:52:55.560 --> 01:52:56.319
see you next week.