1 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,719 And we're back with another edition of Federalists three Hour. I'm Tristan Justice. 2 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,640 As always, you can email the show at radio at the Federalist dot com, 3 00:00:24,839 --> 00:00:27,760 follow us on Twitter at f d r l s T. Make sure 4 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,079 you subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and to the premium version of our 5 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,520 website. Today, I'm joined by doctor ken Berry, an author and position 6 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,359 with the practice in Royal, Tennessee on the frontlines of combating obesity, insulin 7 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:42,320 resistance, and medical misinformation. Doctor, thank you for joining me. That's 8 00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:45,840 my pleasure. You good to be here. So I read through your book, 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,399 Liseman, doctor told me medical myths that can harm your health. I've 10 00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:53,320 got it right here for any of our viewers, and I love to talk 11 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,719 about some of the major medical myths that you discussed that are totally inaccurate but 12 00:00:56,799 --> 00:01:03,320 really maintain. You know that embrace is the mainstream medical wisdom that's taken ahold 13 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:07,599 of you know, so many public health authorities. But first, can you 14 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,519 describe for our listeners kind of what led you to write this book to begin 15 00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:14,920 with. Yeah, the main impetus for this book was that, as a 16 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,799 family physician working full time in the emergency department, and also full time clinical 17 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:26,000 practice. I became severely obese and pre diabetic, and so for you know, 18 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,640 common sense people, common sense makes common sense. And so if I 19 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:36,640 were a mechanic and my car literally I was stranded on the side of the 20 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:42,319 road once a week with my car wouldn't start, people would go, I'm 21 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,560 not taking my car to that guy. Or if I were a cosmetologist a 22 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,680 hairdresser in my hair was awful, people would be like, I don't think 23 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:55,599 so. No, And so, in my common sense, country boy brain, 24 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,760 a fat, pre diabetic doctor is not much of a on how to 25 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,840 be healthy. And so in my personal journey of how am I going to 26 00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:10,159 fix this, which included a three month stint of following the American Diabetes Association 27 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:15,639 recommended diet and jogging three times a week that actually made it worse, I 28 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:23,120 come to the rediscovery of what I call a proper human diet. And there 29 00:02:23,159 --> 00:02:28,680 are several principles of a proper human diet that we can go into, but 30 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:32,800 that's basically. And so if doctors had lied about, oh, you need 31 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:38,319 to eat lots of whole grains and lots of fruits and vegetables and fruit juice, 32 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:40,919 smoothies and get rid of the bacon in the saturated fat and the red 33 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:46,680 and meat. If they lied about that, then they also they were lying 34 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:51,319 about what causes type two diabetes and also what reverses it. They were also 35 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:55,960 lying about what causes hypertension and what improves it, metabolic syndrome, what improves 36 00:02:57,039 --> 00:03:00,719 it, obesity of what causes it, what improves it. That so there 37 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:05,439 are multiple lies, and there I think twenty two lies in the book, 38 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,520 big lies and then a bunch of little white lives in the book. And 39 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:13,960 these are just lies I collected in my twenty two years of medical practice, 40 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:17,759 and that just I felt like people need to know about this because then there's 41 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:21,120 a lot of people that said, well, you should have called a medical 42 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,199 miss because lie is a strong word. Well, I'm a straight shirt shooter. 43 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,960 I like to call stuff what it is, right. And so again, 44 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,919 if you're a mechanic, so it tells you you know you should avoid 45 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,000 red meat, well that's just the mechanic's opinion. He's not an expert. 46 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,560 He doesn't know. He just saw that on send nd or something. But 47 00:03:39,719 --> 00:03:45,840 if if a lies, if you're licensed doctor who has a fiduciary duty, 48 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:51,520 to you in the doctor patient relationship. If they give you nutrition advice or 49 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:58,240 medical advice and it's absolutely wrong, and it's it's knowable to the doctor that 50 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,879 that advice is wrong, but they don't take the time, don't take the 51 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:08,120 effort to discover what he is noble about that topic, then in my opinion, 52 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,919 that's a lot. That's a profession. That's a lie told by a 53 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,920 professional who's trusted by a patient, who trust this guy or girl. They're 54 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,079 a doctor, they're supposed to know about this stuff. Or if they don't 55 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,319 know, they should tell me. I don't know, I'll have to look 56 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:26,240 that up or do what you want, because I have no idea what diet 57 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,000 you should eat. Well, I think that point's really telling. I mean, 58 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,759 if you followed us dietary guidelines to a t, you will be sick. 59 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:39,000 I mean they're still recommending seed oils, recommending, you know, levels 60 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,199 of saturated fat so low you might as well not even you know, cook 61 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,000 steak more than once a week. You know, they're recommending a high carb, 62 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:48,680 low fat diet, which we know to be absolutely you know, you 63 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,040 talk about the difference between this versus why, well, we know that was 64 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:57,839 actual lie. I just finished this book by this Science Journals to Nina te 65 00:04:57,959 --> 00:05:00,639 Quals Big set Fast Prize, and I saw one of the books that you 66 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,040 actually recommended in your book here talking about how you know there is this this 67 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:09,040 you know, famous doctor from the mid twenty century, Ansel Keys, who 68 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,160 publish this famous seven country study showing you know, the nail in the coffin 69 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,040 for you know, a high fat diet when it should have been called the 70 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,000 twenty two country studies. He really just took out all the country that contradicted 71 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,920 his predetermined conclusion that a high fat diet beats to heart disease and just took 72 00:05:24,959 --> 00:05:29,040 them right out of the data. And so it is a lie, and 73 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,439 it's been one of the most deadly lies, really, I would argue almost 74 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,399 human history since considering, you know, population is now saturated with you know, 75 00:05:36,399 --> 00:05:42,160 an epidemic or chronic disease and obese three generations later. And of course 76 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:44,759 you know this as a doctor, you know a metabolically, you know, 77 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:50,000 a medical bolically obese person is going to be fundamentally different metabolically speaking, after 78 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:54,959 they lose the weight. So you know that happens three generations down. You 79 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,399 know, we're digging yourself into such a deeper and deeper hole that it's getting 80 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:02,000 more difficult out of. But you know, our food supply is responding to 81 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,759 all these different forces. But when you were writing this book, well, 82 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,439 I also think it's pretty telling. You know, healthcare professionals, of course, 83 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:15,279 aren't always models of health because they're following the dietary guidelines, and so 84 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:18,160 it makes sense that you, as a doctor would be kind of feel like 85 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,040 you're in the twilight zone before writing this book. Of Okay, I think 86 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,959 I'm following generic medical advice and I'm you know, obese. But when you 87 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,040 started writing the book, what struck you, as you know the most some 88 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,319 of the most surprising myths that you came across, well, the very first 89 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:36,560 myth that I ever came across. And I think this is an excellent lie 90 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:42,600 to talk about because even though it may not apply to the listener's life currently, 91 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:46,720 but if you think about just the underlying foundational principles of this lie, 92 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:54,759 immediately you see, oh wait, doctors are susceptible to the same logical fallacies 93 00:06:54,959 --> 00:07:00,639 as I am. So when I was on my obstetrics rotation as an intern, 94 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:02,959 we would be on call for twenty four hours, we deliver a bunch 95 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:08,040 of babies, and then in that next morning the vaginal deliveries. If there 96 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,759 was uncomplicated, we would send them homes. We would write discharge orders into 97 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,480 discharge prescriptions, you know, some ibuprof and a few purpose said. And 98 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,160 then my chief resident, very intelligent guy, he said, now don't forget 99 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:27,240 in the exclusively breastfed babies to write vitamin D drop prescriptions for the babies. 100 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:30,959 And I was, I was like what, I don't why? And he 101 00:07:31,079 --> 00:07:35,279 said, dude, humans don't make they don't put vitamin D in the BREASTML 102 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:40,120 and so if they're exclusively breastfed, they won't get any vitamin D. They'll 103 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,839 develop brickets. So you gotta prescribe vitamin D drops for the baby. Now, 104 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:50,600 even somebody who's completely not educated in any way about medicine, nutrition biology, 105 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,439 that ought to throw up a red flag. It's like, well, 106 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:01,879 what about five hundred years ago when there was not a pharmacy and all babies 107 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,319 were exclusively breastfed without exception, right, or they died if the mom didn't 108 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:09,439 make breast milk, So how did they get vitamin D? And then even 109 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:15,720 further back and so for the totality of humanity's existence on the planet. Humans 110 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:18,839 don't put vitamin D in the breast milk, And so I was very busy 111 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,199 intern Also, you don't ask a lot of questions in your intern year. 112 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:26,480 You get marked as a troublemaker, and so I just kind of filed that 113 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,199 away, like that makes no sense. I'm going to look that up later. 114 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:33,639 And later it turned out to be about four years later when I was 115 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,159 out of residency and was in my private practice. And so when I looked 116 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:43,279 it up, turns out that's completely false. If the mom is getting enough 117 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,600 vitamin D in her diet, she puts plenty of vitamin D in the breast 118 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:52,159 milk. The problem was was that all the moms were vitamin D deficient. 119 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,480 So therefore, yes, they didn't have enough vitamin D in their body to 120 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,159 put it in the breast milk. But then we have to always look at 121 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:07,000 human nature because everything, whether it's economic, political, medicine, any specialty, 122 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,559 you have to consider the human nature of this. So my chief resident, 123 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,720 was he a moron? No, he was brilliant. I still look 124 00:09:15,799 --> 00:09:18,399 up to him to this day. He is so widely and deeply read in 125 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:24,120 medicine and nutrition, but he believed that, he firmly believed that human mothers 126 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:31,639 do not put vitaminto end the breast milk. How can a board certified He's 127 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:37,720 board certified in both internal medicine and pediatrics, very intelligent. How can somebody 128 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,960 with that degree of intelligence and education, how can they believe something that even 129 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:48,120 somebody who dropped out of school in eighth grade would just go, well, 130 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,279 how is that even possible? How does that that don't even make no sense? 131 00:09:52,039 --> 00:09:56,039 You see my point? And so a large part of what I've been 132 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,120 studying in the writing of lies and then also with my YouTube channel and all 133 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:03,159 the other work I'm doing is just the human nature of this. How can 134 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:11,080 a grown adult, educated, intelligent person hold all these true beliefs in their 135 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:15,799 mind, but that at the same exact time hold these beliefs that are not 136 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:22,879 only untrue, but are demonstrably untrue, that are just patently just like it 137 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:28,559 literally can't be true. That cannot be true if what we know about human 138 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,240 biology is true. But yet people are capable of doing this. And I 139 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,159 think you very well know. We see this in politics, we see it 140 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:41,159 in economics, we see it in philosophy. Humans we're fascinating mammals, are 141 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,519 we not? That we can be so intelligent but yet so abjectly ignorant at 142 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:52,039 the same exact moment. And so part of what I'm doing is educating doctors 143 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,200 and other healthcare providers to say, hey, you need to think about every 144 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,519 single thing you say to a patient, because they trust you almost at a 145 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:05,799 demigod's status, at a which doctor status, at a tribe leader status, 146 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:11,879 like it's hardwired into people to trust their doctor, and you're just you destroy 147 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:20,840 that completely when you say idiotic things. And so you know, I educate 148 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,120 regular folks, but a large part of what I'm trying to do is to 149 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,200 reach out to doctors and say, do stop saying this ignorant stuff, because 150 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:35,600 you're destroying your your doctor patient relationship and the therapeutic benefit of them believing in 151 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,679 you, because there is some therapeutic benefit to that. If you believe in 152 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:41,120 your doctor, then the treatment's more likely to work. But if they've said 153 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,279 something, especially over the last three years, if they've recommended certain things that 154 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:52,360 turns out to be just complete foolishness, actually dangerous foolishness, they've lost all 155 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:58,279 credibility with their patients. And that's not therapeutic. That's not good at all. 156 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,559 I'm not sure how we come back from that. But so that that 157 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:07,759 that lie was my first lie, that that human mothers don't put a critical 158 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,240 essential nutrient in their breast milk, we have to supplement the baby, and 159 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,080 that with that as kind of the foundation, then I k I discovered all 160 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,919 the other lives in the book. You know that that brings up another fundamental 161 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,440 problem I think we have in our current healthcare system. I don't think we 162 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,399 have healthcare system. I think it's pretty clear we have a sick care system. 163 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,240 We just wait until everybody gets sick and then you know, throw a 164 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:35,240 bunch of pills at everything. And so I feel like we live in this 165 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,039 world of you know, supplements and medications that have been designed to solve any 166 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,799 type any type of problem that seems to pop up, which almost always goes 167 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:46,360 back to our food supply. I think most of our problems are feutable. 168 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,039 I don't think they're juggable. I think that's completely wrong. I think it 169 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,600 shows how there's kind of this this dark side of capitalism with you know, 170 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:56,600 incentives to keep a nation that's chronically that sick and depressed. And I think 171 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:01,080 that third one is really critical because I think our mental health crisis is not 172 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,960 a mental health crisis. I think it's a lifestyle crisis. Lifestyle crisis that's 173 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,720 been fed by a toxic diet, again for at least seventy years and going. 174 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,639 And so your example about vitamin D I think it's really you know, 175 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,679 analogous to what we're seeing with ozampic. You know, we have this problem 176 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:20,200 that's been created by a toxic diet, a nation that's forty two percent apiece 177 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,399 at least sixty seven percent overweight, and we're just throwing a bunch of farm 178 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,320 sucles out it. That's making these you know, corporate titans on Wall Street 179 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,279 so rich that it's actually reshaping the economy of Denmark, where some of these 180 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,879 name brand medications are coming from. And so, you know, we just 181 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:39,639 want to pill to solve every problem, and we never really want to ask 182 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,039 ourselves what can we do to fix it ourselves. But also you talked about 183 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,919 medical education. I think in the book your number was what twenty one hours 184 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,759 medical students get, like twenty one hours of nutrition schooling at my medical school. 185 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,159 But now there are many medical schools where you get a two hour lecture 186 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,080 or no nutrition education whatsoever. And let me just add that although I was 187 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:07,200 lucky to have gotten about twenty two hours of nutrition education, first of all, 188 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,879 at least half, if not more, of that was completely incorrect, 189 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,120 not only incorrect, but exactly incorrect, like the exact opposite of what they 190 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:18,559 should have taught us. Now, when it comes to somebody who's got severe 191 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:24,200 burns or been in a severe car accident and we have to start an intravenous 192 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,840 needle and feed them intravenously, we were taught pretty well how to do that, 193 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,000 how to get them all their amino acids and fatty acids and vitamins and 194 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:37,080 minerals. That was useful. But the carried and feeding of just a normal 195 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,559 human in the wild, which is what you and I are right now, 196 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:46,120 this is currently our wild. All of it was wrong. All of it 197 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,759 was wrong. And then that was in the second year of my medical training, 198 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:56,039 from the last nutrition class. From that moment forward, nutrition basically was 199 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:03,720 not mentioned again, only in a negative way. If a patient was morbidly 200 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:07,720 obe, somebody might crack a joke about what we imagined they were eating at 201 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:13,639 home. But there was never any more mention of nutrition. It was always 202 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:18,799 about what's the best pharmaceutical in this specific condition. That was every question from 203 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:24,120 every attending physician to every resident, every single day of the rest of our 204 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,519 training, is what's the right pharmaceutical in this situation. Never ever in my 205 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:33,519 medical training after that small nutrition class was nutrition mentioned in any kind of productive, 206 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:41,919 useful way. The Watchdout on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every 207 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,879 day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy and how it affects 208 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,879 your wallet. We are getting our pockets picked as we send billions of your 209 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,679 tax dollars to countries like South Africa to stop burning coal. Are they cooperating? 210 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:58,919 No way. What's the Climate Agenda's next goal going after methane? 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Yeah, if I 219 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:40,679 could be appointed dictator and make the following changes in the American diet and then 220 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:45,240 walk away George Washington style and say that's it, I'm retiring to my farm, 221 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:49,919 it would be that a proper human diet by definition is low in carbohydrates. 222 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:56,080 Anybody eating more than one hundred grams of total carbohydrates today is causing this 223 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,440 metabolic disease. Without exception. Some people need to eat or fewer carbohydrates than 224 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:07,079 that. A proper human diet by definition is ancestrally appropriate. And so you 225 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:11,599 probably know, Tristan, that eight to twelve thousand years ago there was this 226 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,440 thing called the agricultural revolution. I call it the agricultural de evolution because that's 227 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:19,720 kind of what it did to the health of human beings Before that. Let's 228 00:17:19,759 --> 00:17:23,599 go back before that. We know very well what humans were eating then. 229 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:30,200 It was mostly meat from large ruminants and large megafauna. That means over one 230 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:33,559 hundred pounds. That's what we ate every single day of our life. And 231 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,680 then yeah, we definitely we ate some seeds, we ate some fruit, 232 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:40,640 we ate some berries. If it was available, we would eat some grass 233 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:47,519 if we were starving. But our primary food was large fatty animals, and 234 00:17:47,599 --> 00:17:49,799 then seafood if we lived near an ocean, fish, if we lived near 235 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:53,720 a river, that was the predominance of our food, which, by definition, 236 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:59,400 all that's very low in carbohydrates and also very nutrient dents. That's the 237 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,119 next print, blit. Everything you eat should be nutrient dense. The very 238 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:08,319 reason we eat foods for nutrition. Now, a lot of people eat food 239 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,920 for pleasure, eat food because it's socially correct to eat at this time of 240 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:17,359 day, et cetera, et cetera. Eat to fight against anxiety or depression 241 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,839 or boredom. None of those are appropriate ways to eat. But of course 242 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:26,079 the big food manufacturers they want to equate eating with fun. Oh you know 243 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:29,960 pringles, Oh, Coca cola, it's fun, have a smile on your 244 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,680 face, Have a coca and a smile. That's inappropriate, right. A 245 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,559 proper human diet, by definition, does not include things that are inflammatory in 246 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:45,279 nature, like vegetable seed oils, like highly processed grains, like too much 247 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,359 sugar in the diet. These things are known to cause inflammation, and so 248 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,480 that I would implement some kind of system like that, and then I would 249 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:57,519 pull a GW and just walk away and say, Okay, you guys are 250 00:18:57,559 --> 00:19:03,119 back in charge now. And I'm also just amazed at this kind of erasure 251 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,799 of discipline. And I understand. I think big food is largely culpable, 252 00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:10,279 and you know, engineering your product to become as addictive as possible. I 253 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,880 mean they study, you know, what can they how can they make their 254 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:18,160 food leave people craving more? And the marketing here is so predatory if anyone 255 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,440 ever wonders why, you know, those sugariest cereals are always at hip level. 256 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:25,759 You know, just look at Hughes walking next to the parents at the 257 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:29,200 grocery store. Next time you're at Walmart, it's always a child because they 258 00:19:29,279 --> 00:19:33,200 want the child to beg the parents to buy the fruity pebbles and the fruit 259 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,680 loops and the lucky charms. But I had this doctor email me after a 260 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:41,880 call I WRO several weeks about exampek, saying, yeah, but I was 261 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,319 explaining. I was explaining to him some of this, you know how our 262 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,640 health crier set crises are foutable, not druggable. And he's like, yeah, 263 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:55,000 but people don't follow diets. There's just this total erasure and he's he's 264 00:19:55,119 --> 00:20:00,680 actually correct, But that is not the fault of the patient. That's the 265 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:04,240 fault of the doctor. I'll give you an example back in two thousand and 266 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:08,119 three, two thousand and four, back when I was becoming severely obese, 267 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,039 if someone came to me, as my patient had said, hey, doc, 268 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,519 I need to lose weight, type two diabetic, you know I would 269 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:18,279 My literal advice to them was, you need to join weight Watchers, and 270 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,400 you need to join the gym, which has lifetime memberships. By the way, 271 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,319 and there's less move more. Let's move more. You need to just 272 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,319 burn more calories than you eat. Now, I used to suspect, just 273 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:33,880 like that doctor, Oh my patients don't listen, or they say they listen, 274 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,440 but they're lying. They don't really try that. But when I was 275 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:41,240 the patient, right when I was like, Okay, I can't be a 276 00:20:41,319 --> 00:20:45,839 fat doctor here in Tennessee because people here will call you out on your bullshit, 277 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,359 right, and they're like, Oh, you're going to tell me how 278 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,799 to lose weight, Doc, you might you might want to take your own 279 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:55,960 advice. Well, when I followed my own advices and it did not work. 280 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,759 The reason that people don't follow the diets that they're doctors tell them to 281 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:06,359 follow is because they've already tried that and it does not work. It leads 282 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,079 to frustration. It leads to you, Oh, I wasted a bunch of 283 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,480 money on the gym membership and the wave watchers, and I mean I lost 284 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:15,480 ten or twenty to start with, but now I'm basically starving all the time. 285 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,519 Because that's what every single diet that doctors recommend is based on, is 286 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:27,640 life long semi starvation. Think about it. That's literally the plan. And 287 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:33,160 so when we as common sense humans, when we apply that to any other 288 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,839 mammal on the planet. Right, let's lock a goat in a pasture and 289 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,559 let's chronically underfeed that goat. What's that goat going to do? He's going 290 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:45,000 to jump the fence and go find something to eat. That's exactly what all 291 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:48,480 my patients were doing. They tried to starve themselves so the rest of their 292 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:55,400 life that is not sustainable. It's also not biologically plausible. We are hardwired 293 00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:59,240 not to allow ourselves to starve to debt. But when you're eating a diet 294 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:03,920 that keeps you hungry twenty four to seven, there's not enough willpower or stamina 295 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:08,039 in the world to fight against that. But also, and so now they're 296 00:22:08,079 --> 00:22:11,759 trying to say, well, these genetic nothing you can do about it. 297 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:17,519 You just need to take ozipic or we go over your manjoro again, a 298 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:22,599 big fat lie. Right, And so, there is a genetic predisposition for 299 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,160 obesity, there's no doubt about that. But to pretend that the entire question 300 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,599 is just one of genetics is that's a lie. What doctors should be saying 301 00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:37,680 is you're probably a little more genetically susceptible to developing obesity. Yes, that's 302 00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:41,440 true. But what I believe in very firmly, and have believed in for 303 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:48,960 many decades is the absolute sovereignty of the individual. And so if you are 304 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:53,720 watching this and you're currently obese or severely obese, it is one hundred percent 305 00:22:53,960 --> 00:23:00,200 your fault. Okay, now it's not necessarily your fault out of an act 306 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:04,799 of commission you didn't know better, but it's still your fault, and that's 307 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:07,599 the bad news. But the good news, again, going back to that 308 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,920 sovereignty of the individual, that's the good news is you can fix it just 309 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,359 as easily as you caused it. But it's gonna take some time. It's 310 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,920 going to take some education, it's going to take some trial and error until 311 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,960 you figure all this stuff out. Now, is it your fault that you 312 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:26,640 don't know about any of this? No? Is it your problem? Yes, 313 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,319 it is your problem. And so the degree to with which you take 314 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,319 this seriously and you start to make meaningful changes, moving your current diet, 315 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,640 whatever it happens to be, back towards a proper human diet, your health 316 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:45,400 is going to benefit. Your waistline's gonna benefit, your ae C is gonna 317 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,279 benefit. But the degree to which you ignore this what we're talking about right 318 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:52,119 now, your health's going to suffer, and also the health of your family. 319 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,680 Because your children and grandchildren they're watching you daily and they're learning from you, 320 00:23:56,839 --> 00:24:02,039 whether you're giving them the right example or the wrong example. They are 321 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:07,240 hardwired to watch you into following your footsteps. They cannot help that. And 322 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:14,039 so either you're literally making a new tradition of family tradition in your family of 323 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,640 good health, of a normal whteline of a normal I want say, or 324 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:23,440 you are literally creating a family tradition of disease. Yeah. I often get 325 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,200 worried when the discussion of genetics comes up because I often think that genetics is 326 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:30,359 used so much as kind of a scapegoat to say, why I'm just a 327 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,039 victim of my faith, and no one's a victim of their faith. I 328 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,200 think, you know, especially I've been pretty convinced about how our epigenetics will 329 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,640 change to make us more susceptible to weight gain. But you know, this 330 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:48,319 idea that our genes changed last have radically changed the last seventy years to give 331 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,079 rise the level of the BC today, I think it's often used as a 332 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,039 scapegoat. You know, I've been reading a lot of books about nutrition this 333 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,599 year, but I've also been reading a lot of books about people who are 334 00:24:56,599 --> 00:25:00,720 in the body positive movement, typically associated with you know, left ideas of 335 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,160 the social justices. Obesity is kind of becoming the you know, the next 336 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:07,440 ring on the you know, social justice hierarchy of victimization. Uh. But 337 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:10,960 you know, I'm reading some of the things that these people have been trying 338 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,279 to do to lose weight, and it's like, it's no wonder these equal 339 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:17,319 can't lose weight because, like you said, they're all starving themselves to death. 340 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,400 I have no doubt that these people actually did try to starve themselves to 341 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,480 lose weight, but of course that just caused you know, reads more havoc 342 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:27,039 on their metabolism. And you know, I read this book, uh, 343 00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:30,680 doctor Benjamin Bickman about you know, why he get sick and talks about how 344 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,359 starvation leads to insulin resistance, and it's just these you know, all these 345 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,000 negative feedback cycles everywhere. Uh, you know, wreaking, we're on this 346 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,799 metabolic roller coaster, and then we wonder why we're not healthy. And so 347 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,519 now they've kind of you know, the answer to this is, as I'm 348 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:51,480 wearing becoming this kind of you know, let's absolve discipline and kind of you 349 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:55,440 know, normalize obesity as to do norm and even glorify it as you know 350 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,640 the next ring on the social justice hierarchy. That's kind of a message from 351 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,160 these body positive influencers, And so I get worried, you know that we're 352 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,160 raising discipline, but also think you know the second prong of the pellar of 353 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,039 this is education. Like you said, we need to educate people not just 354 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,960 on how to actually lose weight through optal metapolism, but also educate doctors who 355 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:18,680 are, you know, still I think coerced into buying into a lot of 356 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:25,559 these ideas coming from the American Heart Association, the USDA, the FDA supporting 357 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,920 you know, these these low fat guidelines. Yeah, and I think that 358 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,880 the average doctor is not coerced in any meaningful way. Now, they may 359 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,839 feel coerced, but that doesn't make it true. Yes, if a doctor 360 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:45,119 steps outside of their box and starts recommending a proper human diet loudly on social 361 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,119 media, they might get a visit from their state medical board. Yeah, 362 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,160 but my question would be, well, doctor, did you did you mean 363 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,759 it when you when you swore that oath? Did you mean that? Or 364 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:56,680 were you just full of crap? Because if you didn't mean it, then 365 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,839 fine, you know, just put your head down and do what you're told 366 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:02,680 by the American Heart Association. But if you actually meant that, then that 367 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:07,200 means that you, by definition, need to be a thinking, reasoning individual 368 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,599 who's also still a very active student, who's constantly looking at the old way, 369 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:18,039 constantly reading about new options. That's your job as a doctor. Otherwise, 370 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,160 what do you think your job is, especially primary care doctors? I 371 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,240 mean, literally, what the hell do you think your job is? You 372 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:29,319 think it's just to prescribe medication, because I don't think that's what the real 373 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,599 job of a doctor is. I think the real job of a doctor is 374 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,160 to constantly have their thinking had on, and to constantly be a student, 375 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:44,039 and to constantly be tailoring the advice they give their patients based on evolutionary principle, 376 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,119 on archaeology, anthropology, on the latest nutrition studies, and also look 377 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,759 at what the AHA and the ADA are saying. But that doesn't ever mean 378 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:56,960 that you blindly follow that. It's called private practice for a reason. You 379 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:02,400 are ultimately responsible for the advice that you give your patience, and if that's 380 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,799 bad advice, you're not a good doctor. And that's just the end of 381 00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:08,720 that. A few years back, I tweeted that no one should take nutrition 382 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:14,680 advice from a fat doctor, and man, all the body positivity people, 383 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,480 the healthy at every size people, they came at me with a vengeance, 384 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:22,319 not knowing just seeing my latest profile picture, not knowing that I used to 385 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,519 weigh two hundred and ninety seven pounds, And the point of my tweet was, 386 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,559 back when I was severely obese, you should absolutely not have taken nutrition 387 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,359 advice from me. But they didn't know that part. They thought I was 388 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,359 some skinny doctor making fun of fat people. It was like, nah, 389 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,799 you need to dig into this story a little bit more. And a lot 390 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:44,039 of them did and apologize, but I get their point, like you shouldn't 391 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,839 be mean to people who are with obesity. I totally agree. I'm not 392 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,440 trying to be mean to anybody. I'm trying to literally save their life from 393 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:56,160 the metabolic disease, of which obesity is just one of the many symptoms. 394 00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:59,960 Yeah. I bring it to this book called Health at Every Size right Now, 395 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,240 which has kind of become you know, the academic backbone or this body 396 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:07,119 positivity movement, and they're talking about how well a beast people can often live 397 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,599 even longer lives and people in otherwise healthy way. And of course it criticized 398 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:12,759 BMI, which BMI has its own issues, But the end of the day, 399 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,400 it's not about living as long anymore. It's about living well into your 400 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,960 sixties, seventies, and eighties, you know, being able to get out 401 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,119 of bed without any type of support whatsoever. And I think that discussion gets 402 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,720 really lost when we talk about longevity. It's not just about living to ninety 403 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,559 or one hundred some day. It's about, you know, being able to 404 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:37,759 get out of bed and function like a normal, independent person and not spend 405 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,599 your final twenty years in a nursing home. I don't think anybody wants that. 406 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:45,000 And so, you know, this body positivity boomit is kind of coming 407 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,240 out and you know, jumping through you know, scientific gymnastics to kind of 408 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:56,119 try to normalize OBEs as this socially accepted norm and even garner you know, 409 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,119 freer plane seats and whatsoever. But I just want to talk about you also 410 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:07,359 talk about in the book about testosterone levels and how you know testosterone replacement therapy 411 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:14,440 doesn't actually lead to prostate cancer. And I spoke to an an antrochronologist earlier 412 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,240 this year about this issue about how you know, doctors don't even know that 413 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,759 their patients are have low testosterone because testosinan levels have fallen so dramatically over the 414 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:29,680 past few decades that these averages are based on population averages, and so patient 415 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,279 that might you know, be seen as normal today, it's based on a 416 00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:36,759 population average that's already dropped by what I think, it's forty two percent since 417 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:38,640 two thousand and six. Yeah, And I'll give you an example. When 418 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,319 I first started practicing in the early two thousands, when I would check a 419 00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:48,839 total testosterone on a patient, the normal range that lab Core would say this 420 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,279 is a normal range was from three hundred and fifty to eleven hundred and ninety 421 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,799 nine twelve hundred, right, So three fifty to twelve hundred was considered normal. 422 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,200 Now, if you get your total testosterone checked, when you get your 423 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:06,200 lab core results back, it's considered normal if your total testosterone is above two 424 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:08,759 hundred and forty nine. So they've lowered it from three fifty down to two 425 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:14,440 fifty. Now, did it suddenly become healthier to have a testosterone of two 426 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:19,240 ninety versus three ninety. No, absolutely not. But the average testosterone is 427 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:25,200 so low and the general population of healthy people that they had to lower that. 428 00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:30,440 And so, yeah, testosterones back from the nineteen tens were double what 429 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,640 they are now, if not more in some cases. And so testosterone opens 430 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:40,960 up such so many cans of worms that we could dig down in just eating 431 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,559 lots of fatty red meat and lifting heavy things. Just those two practices alone, 432 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,799 for the average guy in his twenties, thirties, forties, fifties can 433 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,799 increase his total testosterone level anywhere from fifty points all the way up to four 434 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:59,920 hundred points. Oh wow, those two interventions alone. And so we've had 435 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,759 guys documented. Here's my before testosterone. I started the carnivore diet, which 436 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,519 is a subset of a proper human diet, and I started lifting heavy things, 437 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,160 not even going to the gym, Just lifting you know, logs here 438 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,759 at the house and old car batteries and just stuff I had around raised their 439 00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:17,720 testosterone four hundred points. Now, then we get into the social side of 440 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:22,160 this, because a lot of people there's a lot of myths and misconceptions about 441 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:28,799 what a high testosterone man looks like and acts like, and a lot of 442 00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:34,440 these have social connotations. And so a high testosterone man, by definition, 443 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:40,559 in a natural human setting is going to have lots of perseverance, They're going 444 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,160 to be vigilant, they are going to be somewhat dangerous. But I would 445 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:52,000 argue that a grown man should be considered somewhat dangerous or have the potential to 446 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:57,039 be dangerous in the right situation. I think that's a big part of what 447 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,839 of social cohesiveness. That's what holds our society together is I know I can't 448 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,839 go over next door be mean to Joel, or be mean to Joe's wife 449 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,880 or Joe's kids or Joe's dog because Joel whipped my ass, and so therefore 450 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,599 it's kind of like that. That's part of the guardrails of social society is 451 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,839 knowing that if you push a man far enough, he's going to be dangerous 452 00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:21,279 to you, and you should know that and you should act accordingly. But 453 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:27,759 now we've got this society of men whose testosterones routinely or somewhere between one hundred 454 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,200 and fifty and three hundred and fifty. And I'm talking about men in their 455 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,160 twenties, thirties, forties, even fifties. That's way too low. And 456 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:42,319 these men are docile, they're pushovers. They cry at cat food commercials. 457 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,720 I had a patient literally tell me something's wrong with me. Doc last time 458 00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:49,559 I was watching TV and a cat food commercial came on, and I literally 459 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,720 tuned up, what's wrong with me? I didn't even have to check his 460 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:54,839 level. I knew he had low testoster but I checked it anyway, it 461 00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,200 was one hundred and eighty nine. So and then I had a guy reach 462 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,279 out recently to me from the kind of the preparedness preparedness community, and he 463 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:09,760 said, Doc, if you wanted to create and easy to control populous, 464 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:15,239 what's the one thing that you would do to them? And I'm like, 465 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,559 well, I would make them all have low testosterone. He's like, uh 466 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,840 huh, because he believes in the conspiracy theory that this is a concerted plan, 467 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,400 which I don't think that's true. I think that this is just kind 468 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:34,519 of the culmination of many different corporate, governmental profit interests that's culminated in a 469 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,599 diet and a lifestyle that is just, by the default and definition, going 470 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:44,320 to make young men have low testosterone. But he kind of has a point 471 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,800 like, if you wanted to do something to a society that would make them 472 00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:52,880 just go along with whatever you said at the upper levels of corporate and government 473 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,800 structure, it would be a low testosterone society. It would be a society 474 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,360 that says things like, oh healthy at every size, whether you're you know, 475 00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:02,679 just a bony little weak man or you're a you know, this severely 476 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,199 old based woman. You're still healthy and you're still fine, and we still 477 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,840 love you. That's kind of what that society would look like. And although 478 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,559 I don't believe there's a conspiracy, I think we're still suffering from this, 479 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,760 just like if it were a conspiracy. Does that make sense? Yeah, 480 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,599 And that's so interesting the part about so I actually I have an example about 481 00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:27,360 this. A couple of years ago, I was convinced to try veganism for 482 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,599 a month. I just wanted to see what it'd be like. You know, 483 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,800 is during COVID, I had nothing else to do, and I was 484 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,760 actually sober throughout the pandemic because I just didn't want to indulge in anything that 485 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,639 could become addictive. And so it was like February twenty twenty one and I 486 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:43,360 had just gotten in a crossbit and I just watched this documentor on Netflix. 487 00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:45,880 I think it was called The Game Changers, and so I said, well, 488 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,159 let's give this a shot and see what it's like. And first of 489 00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,840 all, I hated all of you that I ate tofu. I'll never touch 490 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,920 it again. I only buy you know, pasture raised eggs the store now. 491 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,679 But I remember at the end of that month, I was crying at 492 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,719 the stupidest things. I would watch Survivor and I finished the series and I 493 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:08,239 found is So I'll tell you, I felt so much better when I started 494 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,199 putting eggs back in my diet and then you know, real meat and started 495 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,519 eating how you know, we were We did our entire evolution. You know, 496 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,400 we've been the eaters since the inception of the species forty million years ago. 497 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,360 And so it's that's such an interesting point that as as a medical doctor, 498 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,679 what do you think is driving down these testosterone levels? I read this 499 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,320 book earlier this year about how it's you know, the chemical contamination from our 500 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:36,400 to our water supply, to the plastics that we come in contact with. 501 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:39,159 But you know, I think a larger part could be our diet, what 502 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,840 we're eating. We're still ingesting. We're ingesting some of these chemicals and toxins 503 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,159 instead of just touching them. Is it our diet or is it our you 504 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,679 know, just physical exposure. Yes. So it's such a there it's it 505 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:59,039 is the ultimate multi factorial problem, I think. And so then it's like, 506 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,159 Okay, there are moreultiple things causing the low testosterone epidemic. Okay, 507 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,679 I believe that but then the question becomes is what can I, personally at 508 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,599 doctor Barry do about it, but also you the listener, what can I 509 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,079 actually do about it? Well, the one thing you can absolutely start to 510 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:22,480 change today is what you're eating and what you're avoiding. And as I intimated 511 00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:25,519 earlier, you can expect anywhere from a fifty to a four hundred percent increase 512 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:30,920 in your testosterone when you stop eating effectively a plant based diet. And a 513 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,400 lot of people in America don't understand this. They're like, oh, no, 514 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,639 I don't eat plant based I just eat whatever. Well, dude, 515 00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,599 track what you're eating for a week. You're eating a plant based diet. 516 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,599 As just eating the standard American diet, seventy percent of your food energy is 517 00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:51,880 coming from plants. You're eating a plant based diet. And so if you 518 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,079 live on junk food, you're you're you could possibly be a vegan and not 519 00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:59,159 even know it. And so that's the problem with a lot of people is 520 00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:00,800 they're like, I just eat whatever. I don't know, but that's a 521 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:06,000 plant based diet that's lowering your testosterone. And then lifestyle, you can actually 522 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:12,039 start to change that immediately by going right now and doing some pushups, or 523 00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:16,079 doing some body weight squats, or doing some jumping jacks or just whatever, 524 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,119 go to the bedroom and have sex. All those things are going to raise 525 00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:23,480 your testosterone. Right now, we get off in and so I think diet 526 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:28,960 is eighty percent of the solution. I think lifestyle exercise ten to fifteen percent 527 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,880 of the solution. Now we're down into the one percent things that you can't 528 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,920 really do anything about. For I think the forever chemicals, I think they're 529 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:44,079 having an effect on our testosterone. I think herbicides definitely are lowering testosterone. 530 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:47,599 And keep in mind that every plant based, every grain that you eat, 531 00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:52,840 wheat, rice, oaks, corn is dowsed with glyfe asakee and they don't 532 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,719 wash that off. That's still there. Okay, you're and so you can 533 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,000 take any box of cereal in the cereal aisle, and you know that the 534 00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:07,119 cereal aisle is stuck with options because that's a huge profit markup for them. 535 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,559 You can send it to the lab. It's gonna test positive for glaphisake okay, 536 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,960 or some of the other pesticides or herbicides. It's gonna test positive every 537 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,559 time because you can't wash it off. It actually gets into the plant, 538 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:28,079 and so yeah, electromagnetic radiation maybe if you live too near a high power 539 00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:31,840 line, or who knows what other kind of electronic things that may have an 540 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,679 effect. I think there are any number of effects. Fluoride maybe in the 541 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:43,400 water that might have an effect. But the two biggest effects, thankfully, 542 00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:46,280 are also the two effects that you literally are in charge of, and that 543 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,599 you can get up after you finished listening to this and go, Okay, 544 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,760 I'm going to change my diet and I'm going to change my lifestyle. Those 545 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,639 are the two biggest things that you can do to raise your testosterone level. 546 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,079 Those are in your control. So you know, you might want to worry 547 00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:08,800 about the little one percent potential one percent problems of forever chemicals and pesticides and 548 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:15,639 herbicides and you know there's a power line outside my window, but let's work 549 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,760 on what we can actually change, and those just happen to be the ones 550 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,320 that are going to make the biggest difference. Yeah. I always come back 551 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,199 to cereal because I think cereal is just so amblematic of so many issues with 552 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,679 our food system. I mean, we can't market cigarettes to children, but 553 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,679 we can market you know, corn pops to children that are just full of 554 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,199 blicifa and all these different pesticides that just recavic on our endocrine systems. But 555 00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,880 just to go back to the book a little bit, I thought you you 556 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,280 had an interesting point in here about how I think it was in your in 557 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,599 the back in the little in the Little White Lives about health nutrition, you 558 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,360 rate that eating before a bed does not make you fat. So what do 559 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,719 you think then of this intermittent fasting? Seems to be you know, the 560 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,840 big height these days about how you know how ketones are actually so important for 561 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,159 longevity. So what's your take on intermittent fasting for people who do need to 562 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,079 lose weight and need to optimize their metabolism. I think into intermint fasting is 563 00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:16,280 great for everybody and mandatory for some people. And so intermittent fasting means that 564 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,239 you go for a period of time each day or for a few days without 565 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:27,480 eating any anything. That's that's what intermint fasting is. And so the bedtime 566 00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:30,840 myth, it's like, oh, the time of day that you eat somehow 567 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,960 magically matters. Well, if you have a couple of big bowls of cereal 568 00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:39,800 with skim skim milk, and you know, a bag of douritos at bedtime. 569 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,079 Yeah, you're not gonna lose weight. You're going to gain weight, 570 00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,559 but it's not because you ate that at that time of day. I would 571 00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:49,440 love it if someone would design a research study where they said, Okay, 572 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,480 I'm gonna take up twenty guys and I'm gonna put them on a carnivore diet 573 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,599 fatty red meat eggs with the yolk. But then they're gonna also eat one 574 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,440 meal a day and it's gonna be right an hour before bedtime. What do 575 00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:06,599 you think you think those guys if they started to study obed so, they're 576 00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,320 gonna lose weight one hundred percent. They're gonna lose weight because they're doing twenty 577 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,159 two hours of intermittent fasting, and then when they do break their fast and 578 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:19,239 eat, they're eating high healthy animal fat, high healthy animal protein, lots 579 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,039 of vitamins and minerals, and they're not eating any junk that's going to cause 580 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:27,519 inflammation or cause an insulin spike or a blood sugar spike. One hundred percent, 581 00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,280 they're going to lose weight. Yeah, So it's not the time of 582 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:36,639 day, it's your meal frequency, and it's what is your meal made up 583 00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,960 of and so, yeah, I think intermint fasting is a great thing. 584 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,920 And that's one of the principles of a proper human diet is that you're going 585 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:49,880 to include at least some degree of not eating in your proper human diet. 586 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,159 All of us fast for eight hours a night while we're asleep, right, 587 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:57,559 And so if anybody says, oh, you shouldn't do daily intermint fasting, 588 00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,760 that can be dangerous. Well, again, that's like any common sense person 589 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,000 should go, Dude, I don't eat for eight hours every night. What 590 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:07,440 the hell are you talking about. So you're saying if I go from not 591 00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:09,679 eating for eight hours a night, if I add an hour on each end 592 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,119 of that and now I'm not eating for ten hours, you're saying that's inherently 593 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,320 dangerous. Like where's the danger cut off at? Is it eight hours? 594 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,800 In one minute? That doesn't make any sense at all, And so people 595 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,840 should just understand that just biological extension. If you can fast for eight hours 596 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:30,079 every night, you can fast for ten hours, you can fast for twelve, 597 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,079 you can fast for fourteen. That's what I recommend from most people is 598 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:37,320 just slowly increase the amount of time each day that you don't eat it's noon 599 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,559 here right now where I'm at, and I haven't eaten today. I've had 600 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:45,000 two cups of coffee. I'm not going to eat. I probably won't eat 601 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:49,920 till three or four pm. That's my standard. I never eat in the 602 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,480 first part of the day. I'm outside working on the farm or I'm inside 603 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:58,960 working on videos. And I think that's that mimics how our ancestors they didn't 604 00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:02,559 eat three meals a day with snacks in between. Anybody that suggests that that, 605 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,480 oh, you need three three meals a day, that's been proofe No, 606 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:13,159 that was actually a marketing employee by Kellogg's to get everybody to start eating 607 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,199 breakfast, because it used to be super common for nobody to eat breakfast. 608 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,639 You would eat lunch and dinner. That was it. That was. And 609 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:27,000 then there are parts back in the medieval times when you were considered sinful if 610 00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:30,840 you ate in the morning. It was so uncommon that you were a sinner 611 00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:37,079 if you ate some bread and cheese in the morning. Nobody ate before lunch, 612 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,639 before noon. It just was unheard of. And so now for nutritionists 613 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,719 registered dietitians to say, oh, you need to eat three meals a day 614 00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:51,079 and snacks in between to keep your energy up. If you hear somebody say 615 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:55,360 that, you are literally listening to a big food trained zombie, because they're 616 00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,599 not even they're not even thinking about what they're saying. With the regards to 617 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:06,199 Homo safety and safey and being a specific species of mammal that's been on this 618 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,000 planet a long damn time, and we know exactly how often we used to 619 00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:15,239 eat. Through archaeology, anthropology, and paleoanthropology, we can figure all this 620 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,519 stuff out. And it wasn't three times a day with snacks in between. 621 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,000 Hopefully with the Kellogg's label or the Post or the General Meals or the Craft 622 00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:28,599 Times or the Coca cola or the pepsi. That is absolutely by definition unhealthy. 623 00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:30,360 And that's a big part of many people's problem. But of course, 624 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,320 the incentives for everyone on Wall Street is to have us eating all the time. 625 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:37,920 It's three meals a day and then it's snacks in the afternoon, and 626 00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:42,360 it snacks before bed. And it's because not only is there money to be 627 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,239 made on selling all that stuff, but there's so much money to be made 628 00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:51,199 on the prescriptions that follow, the diseases that follow the fact that because fourign 629 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,679 ten Americans have or at least two crime diseases. And so we've, you 630 00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,400 know, again, the dark side of capitalism has incentivized a sickness industry, 631 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,199 and we wonder why healthcare is, you know, remains at the major issue 632 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,000 in every single presidential election every four years because Americans just don't have a high 633 00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:15,239 level baseline health to begin with. Just to wrap up, what are some 634 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,480 of the main takeaways that you want an audience to have when it comes to 635 00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:23,079 health from your book. So it's not out of your control. It's not 636 00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:28,599 your genetics, it's not oh, you're just you come from a family of 637 00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,639 fat people. It's not that, oh, there's just nothing I can't afford 638 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:38,079 good quality food. Okay. My takeaway message is I've got almost a thousand 639 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:44,679 videos on my YouTube chant that will teach you what a proper human diet is. 640 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,920 It will teach you what to avoid, and the more you follow my 641 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,400 recommendations, the healthier you'll become. It's just that simple. Then, it's 642 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,119 really at this point, there's been so many hundreds of thousands of people who 643 00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:01,199 have left comments on my YouTube videos, you can't really even argue with it 644 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:07,199 anymore because I try every time I make a video, I try to consider 645 00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:12,840 the paleoanthropology of the situation, the anthropology, the archaeology, the common sense, 646 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,159 and then the latest medical and nutrition research. I try to go through 647 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,960 all of those for every video I make. And so you can't just go 648 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:27,079 by the latest nutrition study because very often they're literally funded and paid for it 649 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:32,119 by Kellogg's or Pepsi or Coke or some front group that is basically a lobbying 650 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,400 group for Coke and Pepsi, like the American Beverage just came out. There's 651 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:43,119 a new story that just broke that the American Beverage was paying twelve or fifteen 652 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:49,000 big TikTok and Instagram influencers literally writing them a check to say, oh, 653 00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:52,360 it's fine to eat this or drink this, and they weren't disclosing that it 654 00:47:52,480 --> 00:48:00,679 was a paid ad on their TikTok or Instagram accounts, and who some government 655 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,119 agency FC yes, said Hey, you're gonna get fined or put in prison 656 00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,760 if you don't stop this. This is this is illegal. And I can 657 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:15,079 just see these TikTokers, most of them registered dietitians. They don't know the 658 00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:17,159 federal law and this kind of stuff. They're just like, oh, man, 659 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:22,400 pepsi. Colub paid me five thousand dollars to say it's okay to drink 660 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,079 pepsi as a dietitian, Well, they've forgotten. They have a fiduciary duty 661 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,679 to anybody they give nutrition advice to. So if you literally just took a 662 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,239 five thousand dollars check to say it, so it's fine to have pepsi, 663 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,239 just don't drink too much. Drink pepsi and moderation, you're part of the 664 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:44,480 problem. You're part of the problem. And so the take on message is 665 00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:47,760 is that your diet matters more than anything else in your life. When it 666 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,400 comes to your health. Eighty eighty five percent of the battle is what you 667 00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:55,159 put in your mouth and what you don't put in your mouth. And we 668 00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:00,360 can all argue and scuffle and fight about the other fifteen percent. Eighty five 669 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,400 percent of the battle is what you eat and what you don't eat. Also, 670 00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:07,280 you're in charge of that, so you have the ability to change that 671 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,320 if you have the mindset, if you want, if you want to get 672 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,519 healthier, here's my videos. Go get healthier. It's just that easy. 673 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,480 But also, you're a grown human, so you get to make a choice. 674 00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:19,480 I feel like I don't care, then fine, that's great, we 675 00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:22,360 can still be friends. But don't don't pretend like it's genetic. Just fess 676 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,320 up and say, yeah, I just don't care about my health. And 677 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:32,599 then finally, it's not genetic. You may have a one percent, you 678 00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:37,599 know, predisposition, so you have obesity or type two diabetes or high pertension. 679 00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:42,559 But that one percent, that's not a death sentence, that's not a 680 00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:46,559 mandate. That's just means you're slightly more likely to develop that if you follow 681 00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:51,159 an improper diet for long enough. All these people, even people who are 682 00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:58,440 the third generation epigenetically changed because their grandmother ate a crap standard American diet. 683 00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:01,079 Their mother did that, and now they're doing that, they may not be 684 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:06,719 able to reverse their obesity back to where they look. We would consider them 685 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,119 a waif. Yeah, maybe not, maybe their epigenetics have been too much 686 00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:15,280 with over the last three generations. But even that person can still lose a 687 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,840 ton of weight and still reverse their hyperinsulinemia, reverse their type two diabetes, 688 00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:27,639 lower their blood pressure, improve their health drastically. And so that's the message 689 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,119 is this is doable. You can do it. Also, it's not a 690 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:36,599 question of well I can't afford grass fed, grass finished pandom massaged beef from 691 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,360 the you know, the slopes of the New Zealand for it now and none 692 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,280 of that. You don't need any of that stuff. You can improve your 693 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:49,480 health with hot dogs and mustard and baloney and potted meat and spam. Watch 694 00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:52,800 the ingredients. Keep the carbohydrates as low as you can. You're going to 695 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:58,599 improve your health with the cheapest version of a keto diet or a carnival diet. 696 00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:01,079 That's going to improve your health. Yeah, I just want to bring 697 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:04,599 up one more example. You're talking about the influencer a story that came out 698 00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,320 this week about the FTC cracking down. I think it's so interesting that a 699 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:13,800 lot of these big body positivity influencers are sponsored by Nestley, They're sponsored by 700 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,559 Unilever, which is the brand behind Ben and Jerry's ice cream. Uh. 701 00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:22,880 There's a new campaign by Dove Soap this year sponsoring UH Liza a sponsor sponsoring 702 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,280 Lizo and backed by the National Association Fat Acceptance and as you know, a 703 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,559 big body positivity influencer on Instagram. Of course, of course dev Soap is 704 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:36,320 owned by Unilever, which, again Ben Jerry's ex there couldn't be better spokes 705 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,960 for people for to sell ice cream than some of these models for body positivity. 706 00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:42,639 So, uh, you know, these incentives are out there, and 707 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,039 it's just clear that you know the country is just lining down this you know, 708 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:51,159 slippery scale of of you know, normalizing obesity and raising the Y flag 709 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,480 on this issue. But on that note, doctor Barry, thank you for 710 00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:58,519 joining me. That's my pleasure. Thank you. You've been listening to another 711 00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,840 edition of Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Christian Justice. We'll be back soon with 712 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:07,440 more. Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for pray. You 713 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,239 got me right, well you