WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.840 --> 00:00:07.440 Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for 2 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:12.800 the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who has been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists 3 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:17.399 for nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up 4 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:22.280 close and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news 5 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:28.640 regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and 6 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:35.520 welcome to Open Minds Radio. We are your UFO news authority. This is 7 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:40.320 Alejandro Rojas and we have another wonderful show. This is probably the guest that 8 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:44.920 we've had returned the most, probably because she's one of my favorite in the 9 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:52.200 world, and she's a great when it comes to rigorous scientific study and one 10 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:55.560 of the most exciting topics out there, which is crop circles, and in 11 00:00:55.640 --> 00:01:02.159 fact they found some surprising results in the two thousand nine crop circle season. 12 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:06.560 There is a season if you're unaware of that, that's usually in the summers. 13 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:11.359 That's where in England, in the Glastonbury area that they have all of 14 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:17.719 these crop circles happen. So it's incredible stuff and she pays attention. Of 15 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:21.519 course, everything going on and as much as possible gets people to go out 16 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:26.319 there and do some scientific investigation. And she'll explain that a little more in 17 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:30.359 a couple minutes here. But they did find some incredible results, so this 18 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:37.040 is really exciting because there's some really cool stuff there. Of course, we're 19 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:41.560 on our new times here at Monday nine pm, and remember you can watch 20 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:45.640 us live at openminds dot tv if you go to the radio page. We 21 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:49.439 have some video up there in a chat room there, and we're also on 22 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:53.879 blog talks, so you can come chat with us and ask us questions live. 23 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.280 One of our chatters has their brand new Stacy Adams shoes on and so 24 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:02.799 that's really exciting. I need some new shoes myself in our mess. Other 25 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:06.920 news I want to tell you about is that we will be at Vision Quest 26 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:12.840 bookstore and two two two five North Scottsdale Road, and we being the editorial 27 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:16.280 and research staff of Open Minds. That's May twenty eighth, and then just 28 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:22.360 what a week from Friday, so that'll be that's just this Friday. Actually, 29 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:27.080 whoa time is flying already the end of ma so that'll be a lot 30 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:30.879 of fun. If you're close in the area, let's say California, Colorado, 31 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.400 Nevada, you can come out, drive out and check us out there 32 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:39.960 or including you can also come and see us in Roswell on the first weekend 33 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:44.520 of July. The July fourth weekend, from the first to the fourth, 34 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:52.319 Roswell has a big party at festival to commemorate the anniversary of the crash in 35 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:57.159 Roswell. Of course, the famous UFO crash, not the television show which 36 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.599 I never saw, but I'm sure Jason really because he likes this kind of 37 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:06.199 high school teeny bopper movie. So we'll ask him in just a minute. 38 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.240 Jason being our news correspondent, and why don't we go to Jason Now? 39 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:15.159 Every week we covered the latest UFO news and what's in the headlines, and 40 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:20.639 we have our news correspondent, Jason McClellan here to share with us. Hilhandra, 41 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.639 Hello, Hello Phoenix, Them, Hello world. This is your Open 42 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:29.560 Minds News brief for Monday, May twenty fourth, twenty ten. In the 43 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:34.159 news last week, unidentified rings in the sky just east of Brisbane, Australia, 44 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:38.280 caused a stir early last week. The mysterious halos were thought to be 45 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:43.639 UFOs by many onlookers. Metropolitan newspapers were even speculating that the rings were visiting 46 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:47.759 UFOs. However, these rings turned out to be smoke rings caused by demonstrations 47 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:54.400 at the Emogali Air and Land Spectacular. The Air and Land Spectacular featured fiery 48 00:03:54.439 --> 00:04:00.080 explosions and simulated trench warfare. The smoke rings were still unusual, though, 49 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:04.840 and the events pyrotechnicians that he had never seen anything like it. The combination 50 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:11.879 of pyrotechnics and unusual atmospheric conditions were used to explain the rings in the sky. 51 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:15.800 Yeah, you know, when we find conventional answers to some of these 52 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:17.720 things, it's kind of a bummer. But I should mention, you know, 53 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:23.560 the Canadian one too. Today there were these spirals that were supposedly over 54 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:27.560 Canada. Turned out to be a weatherman who was hoaxing other weather people. 55 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.439 So it was all a big hope. Sorry, I'll let you guys down, 56 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.199 but I figured let's get the bad news in first for people before we 57 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:36.519 get to the cool stuff. And he wasn't a Canadian weather man. He 58 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:41.279 was from southern California, So why he was picking on Canada? I notice 59 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:45.240 that, Yeah, southern California. Canadians are nice people too. I agree, 60 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:47.439 they're just like, well, why would you lie to us? It's 61 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:54.480 unfortunate. Yeah. In other news, eight British students were stunned last week 62 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:59.120 when they saw twenty five orange lights in the sky above Inverness, in the 63 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:03.000 northern part of UK. The students were celebrating the conclusion of their university courses 64 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:08.360 when they saw twenty five bright lights moving across the sky. The lights were 65 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:12.519 all equally spaced and moving in a straight line. The witness has stated that 66 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.720 two of the lights nearly collided at one point, but quickly changed directions to 67 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:20.360 avoid contact, and one of the one or two of the women said they 68 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:26.399 were positive that these things weren't Chinese lanterns. And I guess based on movement 69 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:30.240 like that, that's pretty clear they couldn't be. And these were recent graduates, 70 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:34.160 so well educated people. Possibly that's not always the case, but well, 71 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:39.240 I think you remember the most of what you learned in school right at 72 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:43.279 that point, and now that they'll kind of go down just the slope, 73 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.480 the downward spiral of knowledge. But these lights were cool, you know, 74 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.399 twenty five of them, all in a line, equally spaced. Yeah, 75 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:55.120 that's weird. And they are moving quickly too. And what's exciting about that 76 00:05:55.240 --> 00:06:00.319 is if there's part of some huge, larger device, which is always possible 77 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.079 because some of these people. See my uncle even had seen something he thought 78 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:08.519 maybe was at least football size, and of course out here in Phoenix, 79 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:13.040 including you, many people saw this an entire huge ship out here. Oh 80 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:17.480 absolutely, yeah, let's see another European news. Let's stay in the UK. 81 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.839 In the UK. In recent months, we've talked about this many times 82 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:27.120 before, but documents were released from Britain's Ministry of Defense declassified UFO files. 83 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:31.000 More than six thousand pages were released. Included in these pages is a file 84 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:38.040 dating back to nineteen fifty two that shows then British Prime Minister Winston Churchill requesting 85 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:43.959 a briefing on UFOs. Another interesting thing found in the files was how the 86 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:48.680 shape of reported flying saucers has changed over the years, and a big deal 87 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:55.079 has been made about this, and some speculate that could be because people have 88 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:59.720 been influenced by sci fi movies and things we see on TV. So we 89 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:01.399 then and take that and portray it and what we're seeing in the sky and 90 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:04.480 think, oh, well, I'm seeing that. I don't find it that 91 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:08.959 difficult to believe. I mean, look at cars back in nineteen fifty and 92 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:14.199 look at cars now. Technology changes so clearly. Well, I would hope 93 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:18.879 and speculate that UFOs and extraterrestrials they're talking about technology changes over the years as 94 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:23.279 well, so their ships would change shape, or it could be different civilizations 95 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:28.720 exactly as well, with different technologies. For instance, silver discs have been 96 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.480 seen ever since the phenomenon was big, you know, back in the forties. 97 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.720 That's what they began to see. And that was prior to the movies 98 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:40.680 having silver discs. They started that in like nineteen fifty I think was the 99 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:44.560 first movie to have silver discs. But that's because that's what people were reporting, 100 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:48.199 and people still see those, so some stay consistent, right, And 101 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:53.560 what are the odd more odd to me shapes of crafts was the cigar craft 102 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:58.439 that seems to be pretty popular now. Yeah, big like Dune. They 103 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:03.160 have those giant ship cylinder ships and yeah, a lot of people see those. 104 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.279 In other European news, it seems that Russia. Russian media has been 105 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.079 reporting more and more about UFOs seen in Moscow Skies from the widely discussed halo 106 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:16.399 cloud witness back in October to more recent triangles and floating pyramids. Russia has 107 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:20.199 certainly become a hotspot for sightings, and just two weeks ago we reported on 108 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:24.240 a Russian governor who came forward claiming that he had had meetings with extraterrestrials and 109 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.560 had been aboard their ships. There seems to be a lot going on in 110 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.039 Russia right now. Yeah, Russia's I think that's why they wrote that story 111 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:37.320 in Pravda, which is a big paper out there, so they obviously had 112 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:43.240 are interested as well. There's a big buzz about it, and now you 113 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:48.639 know, with this Russian governor's story, people looking into that story and wanting 114 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:52.720 the Russian president to get involved in looking into UFO stories. Yeah. One 115 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:58.600 unfortunate thing though that we received recently was about a year ago people were saying 116 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:01.799 that the Russian Navy was going to release UFO files. But as specialist in 117 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:07.600 that, Paul Stonehill recently said that that actually probably wasn't going to happen, 118 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:13.399 that those were unsubstantiated claims, and they had in when they said this, 119 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:18.679 shown a couple navy files which actually were released. They were given by like 120 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:24.879 admirals to researchers, so it seems like they're legitimate files of just sightings of 121 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.120 UFOs coming out of water just but I mean, those are amazing events, 122 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:33.519 but that they weren't part of what people were hoping was a regular, you 123 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.200 know, release of file. So Russia you cannot list yet as one of 124 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:41.519 the countries releasing files unfortunately. But there's still a lot of exciting things coming 125 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:46.720 out of Russia, yep, like these UFO sightings exactly. And in Europe 126 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:48.600 in general, I mean there are a lot of great, great photos and 127 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:52.960 videos that come out of Europe. Yeah. But in local news, just 128 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:58.120 this afternoon, a UFO was seen above a patchy junction Arizona. The witness 129 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:01.320 described the object as being large, brights and at a very high altitude. 130 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:07.039 The object was seen moving very quickly and then disappeared from site. But this 131 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.240 is just one out of several reported every single day in Arizona alone. Yeah, 132 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:16.440 it's hard. Even though we talk about UFOs in the news a lot, 133 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.039 it's hard to kind of get across the people because there's a lot of 134 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.519 stories we don't cover because they're a little mundane. You know, someone in 135 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:28.200 Australia having a signing similar to this one. But people are having signings all 136 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:30.799 over the place. And you know, if you guys want to keep up 137 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:33.639 on this stuff, you could go to the mofon website of course, but 138 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:39.279 you can go to open mindsat TV as well, because we post the signings 139 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:46.159 on a regular basis and literally every day we post several stories, some of 140 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.159 them coming from like the moof on database of all of these sightings happening all 141 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.600 over the world. And for those of you who don't know, moofon is 142 00:10:54.639 --> 00:11:01.240 the mutual UFO network, right the biggest investigation organization and in the United States, 143 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:07.399 so unsupposedly in Russia and in China they have bigger civilian organizations. That's 144 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.639 why I've never said the world I don't know much about these groups, unfortunately, 145 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.759 because I don't speak Chinese or Russia and Russian and there earn a lot 146 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.399 of people talking back and forth. But China is supposed to have this like 147 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.039 tens of thousands of people in this organization that they have. Well, I'm 148 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.519 glad you mentioned that they're in Chinese because I was going to say I was 149 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:30.240 going to go and look into them, because I was fascinated, but I 150 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.679 don't speak Chinese either. Yeah, well, we do carry a book in 151 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:39.080 our bookstore. I think we have copies of it left of Wendell Stevens's book 152 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:43.120 on Chinese Sightings. You're right, I think we do. And in our 153 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:48.440 current issue of the magazine, we have a story where Wendell Stevens is talking 154 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.840 about his relations with Chinese and the different stories there, and we have a 155 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:58.600 lot of pictures and stories with those pictures on a lot of incredible Chinese sightings 156 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.679 even by their military. Excellent it is, and I do think we have 157 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:05.320 have those books left in our library. Yeah, it's an excellent and it's 158 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:11.399 an exciting story in our magazine that people have to check out. Remember Openminds 159 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:16.120 dot tv. That is correct, and that is it for the news. 160 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.879 Remember to check out these stories and more at Openminds dot tv, your source 161 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:24.559 for UFO related news. I'm your Open Mind's news correspondent, Jason McClellan, 162 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:28.320 and you've been briefed back to you Aleandro. All right, thanks Jason. 163 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.919 We've got a couple seconds left before our break, but remember you got to 164 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.440 come back to listen to Nancy Talbot. This is going to be a lot 165 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:39.039 of fun talking about some of the more incredible. A lot of people are 166 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.440 always asking, well, how do you know which of the Croft circles are 167 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:43.600 real? And how many are man made? Because a lot of them are 168 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.720 man made, And luckily Nancy and her crew of people actually do some work 169 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:54.799 to determine which are witch and their discoveries in two thousand and nine. Of 170 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.559 course, it takes some time to get all that information back are really amazing. 171 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:01.320 And she'll be back right after the break to talk about that. So 172 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:16.519 stay tuned. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. You're listening to Open Minds 173 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:24.720 Radio with Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. Welcome back to 174 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.600 Open Minds Radio. And I know Nancy's got a lot to cover, so 175 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.240 let's bring her on the phone. Nancy, are you there? I am 176 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.320 Hi. How are you doing great? It's always wonderful to hear from you, 177 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.480 and I know you've got a lot to share. But one thing I 178 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:46.600 did want to mention is of your organization BLT if the title stands for three 179 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:54.639 individuals who have helped out and unfortunately someone of your group passed away recently. 180 00:13:54.279 --> 00:14:00.000 Yeah, John Burke, VB and BLT. I died a couple of months 181 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.279 to go, very unexpectedly. And he has a great book, and you 182 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.600 can find out more about him and his book and his research at your website, 183 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:15.080 right yeah, if people go to the published papers, I want to 184 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.639 say, where is it now? No, I'm sorry, It's on the 185 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:26.399 professional consultants page. There's a photograph and a link in which I wrote down 186 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:31.440 the major contributions that John's work, you know, has lent to our work 187 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:37.960 overall, including a link to this. Marvel's book. He wrote The Seeds 188 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:43.080 of Knowledge, Stone of Plenty, which discusses one of his basic ideas, 189 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:56.120 the idea that certain natural geomagnetic abnormalities in the Earth's crust are perhaps rely with 190 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:03.519 the reason why ancient monuments and temples were built marking these places around the world. 191 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:05.519 He did quite a lot of research in this area and came to the 192 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:11.360 conclusion that it was quite possible that the reason that the pyramids and the temples, 193 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:18.519 and of various monolithic monuments all over the world were built was to mark 194 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:26.600 these locations. Because in fact, it was discovered after considerable work that particularly 195 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:35.639 when pyramidal or corbal roofs of stone structures were erected at these places where magnetometers 196 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:41.600 clearly indicate there are these abnormalities. The abnormalities the energy is heightened, and 197 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:48.679 seeds normal. Seeds placed in these locations at certain times of the year and 198 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:54.360 for certain lengths of time, then not only german ate faster, they produced 199 00:15:54.600 --> 00:16:00.600 greater yield. And he felt that it was quite likely that ancient cultures may 200 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:07.120 have discovered this accidentally and one's having discovered it, because of course it would 201 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.759 give a huge advantage to any culture that knew about this that they went ahead 202 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:17.200 then and built these structures to mark these places so that they would never forget 203 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:22.720 where they were, and then actually used them to treat their seed before it 204 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:26.799 was planted. Now, whether that ends up being, you know what, 205 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:30.159 in fact is the reason or not, He's got some pretty good arguments as 206 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:34.279 to why this may have been the case, right, And I know, 207 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.840 I think that's incredible discoveries. I mean, through a lot of the science 208 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:45.639 that you guys have done in BLT research dot com is the url that people 209 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:51.159 can go to read more about this. BLT research dot com. Remember, 210 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:55.080 you can go to professional consultants and read more about that and read about his 211 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:59.480 books. So let's get into the two thousand and nine crop circles, because 212 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.319 I know you're really excited about your findings there. I was amazed, Alejandro. 213 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:08.720 People who've been following us for a long time probably know that there's certain 214 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:15.839 basic plant changes, compardon me, and soil changes which we were able to 215 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:21.039 document. Oh, and ended up being sixteen or seventeen different countries around the 216 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:26.799 world over a twelve year period, when we sampled hundreds and hundreds of formations, 217 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:33.240 taking literally thousands of plants and thousands of soil samples and doing all sorts 218 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:37.359 of work, and eventually we came to the conclusion that there were certain basic 219 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:45.440 changes, some of which are actually visible to the naked eye, which were 220 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:51.720 typical of crop formations that were not mechanically flattened. In other words, those 221 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:59.359 that were not hoaxed by people did show consistently these changes. And so we 222 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:04.480 haven't worked in England for some time, partially because there are a lot of 223 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:11.119 man made events that occur there and it's everybody's expensive to work on a man 224 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.839 made one as it is one of the others. Yeah, make sure work 225 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:21.160 difficult. Well, it's expensive, Yeah, forget difficult. It's expensive, 226 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:26.160 and it costs the same regardless of whether it's man made or not. And 227 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:30.839 since we know of a number of other formations around the world, and particularly 228 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.519 we know about countries where there's very little hoaxing, if any, and so 229 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:37.759 it's much more productive, you know, to work in those areas. So 230 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:42.640 at anyway, we hadn't done much of anything for well eight years anyhow in 231 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:48.000 England, and I thought it was would be interesting to see if this year 232 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:53.519 two thousand and nine, if some of these same changes which we documented for 233 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:59.680 twelve years beginning in about nineteen ninety, if those changes were still happening, 234 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:04.880 because I didn't know, and so we hired a field worker in England, 235 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:11.039 and then he went ahead and did quite a bit of sampling and we prepared 236 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:15.400 a report which is now up on the website. And if people would like 237 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.079 to refer to that while we talk, if they go to the homepage at 238 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:25.000 bltresearch dot com, it is the first item listed. There's a little button 239 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.480 that goes around and says new at the very top of the page, and 240 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:32.720 if you click on that, it opens up this report. Now, what 241 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:37.160 we found. The first thing we found that absolutely completely blew me away because 242 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:41.920 I didn't expect it was that there are a new variety of crop circle that 243 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:48.200 has just started to occur with a number of them are happening. And that's 244 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:52.920 these things we're calling pictorial crop circles. They actually look like pictures of things. 245 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:57.799 Now in the past with pictorials, have you found that those typically turned 246 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:02.079 out to be man made? No. The point I'm making is that there 247 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:06.319 have been very few pictorials at all. Occasionally, you know, there was 248 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:10.799 an ant way back in the very early nineties. There have been a few, 249 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:15.000 But the last summer there were loads of these things that one looked like 250 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:19.039 a jellyfish, several looked like birds, others looked like you know, there 251 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:25.119 are all of these things that almost anybody looking at it would say, oh, 252 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:29.039 that's a blah blah blah, and this is something new, it's something 253 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:33.119 different. And it happens that the field worker did get to a number of 254 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:40.880 those and did in fact find these changes which we have for twenty years now 255 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:48.119 associated with the genuine phenomenon, were in fact present in some of these pictorial 256 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:52.839 crop circles and absolutely unexpected result. I didn't expect that at all. Some 257 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.359 of these are very elaborate, like the first one you have on your site 258 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.119 there is the phoenix. See that. People called that the phoenix rising, 259 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.000 And it looks like a phoenix, doesn't it, Yeah, very much so, 260 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.640 with even flames in the bottom by the tail. Yeah. I mean 261 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.920 it's the sort of thing when you know that some crop circles are man made, 262 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:17.079 that's the sort of thing that you would look at and say, ah, 263 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:19.279 it's got to be man made, right right. I mean one might 264 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:25.960 think typically that it would be this discovery of you know, what we found, 265 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:32.039 pardon me, in that crop circle and several others of the pictorial type. 266 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:38.279 Were these changes, these elongated top nodes, the expulsion cavities, changes 267 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:47.079 in seeded development, and some bending at various critical places also, which I 268 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:52.319 just absolutely didn't expect. I was terribly surprised that what that seems to suggest 269 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:56.880 to me. I mean, you can put in your two cents here for 270 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:03.440 what it might mean to you. But if in fact, this unknown agency, 271 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:08.400 pardon me, is in fact making crop circles that look like pictures of 272 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:15.160 things we recognize, doesn't that imply consciousness, right, or at least some 273 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:21.680 sort of understanding or interaction with consciousness our own side. I think it has 274 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:30.400 to imply a consciousness something that is conscious of symbols or or pictures which are 275 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:37.680 meaningful to human beings, right, I mean that just I mean more and 276 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:45.079 more and more the evidence seems to be pointing in that direction as outrageous idea 277 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:49.000 as it first seems to be, you know when you first think of it. 278 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:55.480 Right, But that was one of the major results of the work last 279 00:22:55.559 --> 00:23:03.279 year. Several of these very pictorial formations did in fact includes the visible plant 280 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:07.119 changes that we have always associated from based on all of this work we did 281 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:11.559 for years and on the published papers, so that we've associated with the real 282 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:17.680 McCoy. Yeah and there, I mean I felt like you, I thought 283 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:19.559 when I first saw that, as oh, you know, those can't be 284 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:22.920 the real ones, because it seems like there's a lot of man made ones 285 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:30.000 these days. I don't think anybody knows that fact something the hoosters say and 286 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:37.200 clearly want many people to believe. But without testing every single formation, let's 287 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:42.160 say he in even one country for the summer, you have no idea what 288 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:45.640 percentage or man made I mean neither or I nobody does. Right If you 289 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:49.880 don't do the work. I mean, the only criterion we have to be, 290 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:56.759 the only scientific criteria that we have is this plant work. And nobody 291 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.480 has ever done all the circles in one country. Well, get back to 292 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.119 that after a break. We got to go to break right now, but 293 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:11.839 we will be right back talking crop circles with Nancy Talbot on Open Minds Radio. 294 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:22.400 This is Open Minds Radio here again your host UFO paranormal researcher and journalist 295 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:30.319 Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. This is Alejandro Rojas, 296 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:36.160 and we are talking about the two thousand and nine crop circle season with Nancy 297 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:42.480 Talbot, in my opinion, the premiere expert on the phenomena today and I 298 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:48.559 just got a gold star. So we were talking about some of these pictorial 299 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:55.400 crop circles that have some of these anomalies that you all have recorded, that 300 00:24:55.799 --> 00:25:00.200 all of the visible plant anomalies, which is what was f amazing. Yeah, 301 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.599 so all of them, and there are quite a few. I know. 302 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.680 Next to this phoenix, there was a dragonfly in the same field. 303 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:11.720 Yeah, it had occurred a couple of days, well actually a couple of 304 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.880 weeks I think earlier in that same field. Our field worker did not get 305 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:19.799 to that one. But a film crew, an LA film crew whom I 306 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.680 know and I'm in touch with, did get to it right after it formed. 307 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:29.160 And I've seen the videotape that they took in that formation the day after 308 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:33.440 the day that it was found, and all of the same things in that 309 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:38.720 one, in fact, even more extreme changes than what we found in the 310 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:47.400 phoenix. So based on our criterion, both of those formations had all the 311 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:51.440 bells and whistles of you know, what we expect to find in a genuine 312 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:55.559 formation. Mm hmm. I mean, how bloody amazing is that? It 313 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:59.200 is incredible? I mean, and this is quite a change right from past 314 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:00.920 crop circle sees massive. I mean, you know, in that past, 315 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:06.759 most of the circles have been designed. There have been some which have represented 316 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:15.079 known symbols, but the majority of them have been somewhat whimsical, not necessarily 317 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:19.880 representing any particular known thing. And this last summer they were all over the 318 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:25.039 place, so that was very interesting. Now, I think I should point 319 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:33.000 out an hypothesis that's been put out there by Jacques Vallet, who was well 320 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:38.559 known and well respected in the UFO field for years. I have no idea 321 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:44.480 why he has decided recently to be writing about crop circles, because as far 322 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:48.039 as I know, he doesn't know very much about crop circles, but he 323 00:26:48.200 --> 00:27:00.160 is proposing that the circles are the result of essentially microwave weaponry testing. Now 324 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:03.880 I read that, and I mean, I don't mean disrespect of mister val 325 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.799 A, doctor Vala, but as far as I know, he's never been 326 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:11.000 in a crop circle, and he sure doesn't know, you know, what's 327 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:17.880 going on recently, and apparently is completely unaware of the fact that crop circles 328 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:22.160 have been reported. We absolutely know that they have been occurring since at least 329 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:29.079 the early nineteen hundreds, and there is other clear documentation that they have been 330 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.400 appearing in the English fields as far back as the fifteen hundreds. So obviously, 331 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:40.759 you know, microwave weaponry testing could have nothing to do with any of 332 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.799 them up until say, maybe nineteen seventies or eighties, and yet of course 333 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:52.720 they were there. So I think it's a totally incorrect idea that these are 334 00:27:52.759 --> 00:28:00.119 the result of a bunch of board military types sitting around testing their weapons, 335 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.480 not only because we know they were happening long before anything like that sort of 336 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:10.480 weaponry existed, but also because there are the number of other reasons. One 337 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.759 is that the US military for sure, has thousands of acres of land of 338 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:22.079 their own upon which they could be testing whatever they've damn well pleased and no 339 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.759 one would be would know one way or the other. And then you've got 340 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.880 the subtle point that microwaves cooked things. And if you're going to be beaming 341 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:36.759 a microwave weapon down on the fields of southern England in the middle of the 342 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:38.839 summer when all the tourists are there, I mean, how in the heck 343 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:42.279 are you going to miss trying a tourist or two, you know, and 344 00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:48.880 your testing. I think it's ridiculous. However, that is one of the 345 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:57.000 ideas that has been put out there as a possible explanation for this growing acceptance 346 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:02.640 among the researchers the people who are involved, that there is some kind of 347 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.319 a consciousness involved. He's saying, it's the military doctor. I like to 348 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.240 say his name, but you know, to your point, and he was 349 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.799 a guy interesting enough for the listeners that was the main character in Close Encounters 350 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.720 was kind of based off of him. Slightly. Yeah, I think it 351 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:23.920 was. I mean, he's a very well respected UFO who hasn't been very 352 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:30.200 active in recent years. But you know the guy who's educated and yeah, 353 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.000 got some good sense, and he's not the only one to come up. 354 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:37.759 I've heard this theory before, but even some other proponents of this theory still 355 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:44.000 couldn't explain how even to them, they the big mystery to them was that 356 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:48.839 these electromagnetic mechanisms, if it was some sort of weapon, couldn't lay down 357 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:55.799 the crops in these intricate kind of patterns that are laid down in No. 358 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.559 I mean you think that would be possible. It's not a very it's not 359 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.279 a very thoughtful hypothesis if you are aware of the actual facts. You know 360 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:10.559 what it's like in the fields, and myself about all these poor tourists who 361 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:15.119 out there in the middle fields. Fry a bloody you'll fry a bloke out 362 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:19.519 there, Yes, I think one would have been hit by now, the 363 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:25.920 numbers of them that occur. Anyhow, Moving right on, consciousness is becoming 364 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.480 more and more of something that is being discussed about the cross circles. You 365 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:37.960 know, the idea that whatever is doing this comes from a consciousness. I 366 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.880 mean a million ideas as to who's or what you know. Some people think 367 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:48.480 ec some people think interdimensionals, some people think of spirits or God or angels. 368 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:53.839 I heard mushrooms recently, Oh really, yeah, as the consciousness behind 369 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.960 Yeah, that mushrooms kind of have a consciousness and that they could be someone 370 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.920 one of the Heimi's conference in Mexico, when of the researchers were saying something 371 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:07.480 similar to that. You are joking. No, well, you've probably heard 372 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.839 some people talked about mushrooms possibly having a consciousness because they're fun guy, and 373 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.359 they're all connected. And I don't know, it's one of those theories I've 374 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:19.599 heard recently. But at any rate, there aren't constantly reports in the field 375 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:27.960 some people of events which occur would seem to imply absolutely a consciousness, And 376 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:34.000 in this report I go through I state one of them. It's the second 377 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:41.240 example there of two colleagues of my European colleagues, men quite skeptical. I 378 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.599 mean, they're very interested in the circle phenomenon, but they as individuals are 379 00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.319 very skeptical and very careful. And they were walking along the side of the 380 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:56.119 field where the dragonfly occurred one afternoon and were kind of flummixed by the formation. 381 00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:57.599 They just didn't quite know how to deal with it. I mean, 382 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.519 because it's different, it doesn't look like anything we've seen before. And they 383 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:07.519 were kind of wishing out loud for one of the earlier simpler formations to occur. 384 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:12.599 And they specifically thought that it would be nice if it had a ring 385 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.000 which was pushed out in some funny way, and that there should be a 386 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:22.480 section inside the formation that looked like a standing section that looked like a slice 387 00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.240 of cake. You know. Now, how the heck they came up with 388 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.440 that, I don't know, but that's what they were talking about. Well, 389 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:35.519 two days later, exactly such a formation did occur in a field nearby. 390 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.039 Now they hadn't said this to anybody. The two of them had been 391 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.960 alone. There was no one else out there in the field. They were 392 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:46.799 discussing it out loud, but there was nobody around. And yet with two 393 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:53.319 days I think it was later damned if exactly such a formation didn't occur with 394 00:32:53.680 --> 00:33:00.400 one part of its external ring pushed down differently from the rest, with a 395 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:05.319 standing section inside one of the circles that looks like a slice of cake. 396 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:08.519 And now, and this crap circle was did you get one of your researchers 397 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:13.839 out there to look at the find the ab norm. That particular formation he 398 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:19.200 did get to, and once again we found all of the bells and whistles, 399 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:23.359 all the things that we expect to find and invisible signs. Now we 400 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:29.039 remember not the laboratory work, just the visible signs, but we found them 401 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.720 all again in that formation. See. And it's hard to document something because 402 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:37.720 I've heard that before where people have thought about a shape and that shape has 403 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:42.319 appeared or even mentioned to shape where in some cases, in one case, 404 00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:44.880 I know, they drew a shape on a piece of paper. So sometimes 405 00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:49.960 people meditate on shapes or the air, a whole variety of ways. People 406 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:54.039 have gone about trying to cause a particular thing to happen. And in this 407 00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:59.680 case, they weren't trying to make anything happen because they do they don't believe 408 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:04.880 the thing enough to think that they could make something happen. They were simply 409 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.760 talking about it, you know, kind of jokingly. I don't think it 410 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:13.639 ever occurred into either one of them that such a thing might actually happen. 411 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.760 And I'm pretty certain of that because when I got the telephone call from the 412 00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:22.159 guy he doesn't want his name, used because he just can't stand that it 413 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:29.079 actually happened. But what he called I could tell how shocked he was that 414 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:34.079 this thing, which was just sort of a passing idea that they expressed out 415 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.679 in the middle of the field to each other and to no one else, 416 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:42.960 and then bamn, yeah, mean what they were talking about appeers And you 417 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.440 know, obviously there couldn't have been people listening or even with the military idea 418 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:51.719 that the military was listening to them, and then shoots down this thing. 419 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:54.519 I guess if you're going to go into the secret military stuff and what they 420 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.280 can and can't do, it's possible because I don't know what the military can 421 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.760 and can't do, but I think that's pretty unlikely. And what the main 422 00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:07.639 point here is that this is just one example of that sort of thing happening. 423 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:14.760 Because I know literally hundreds of such examples, a good or fifty of 424 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:19.480 which are from people I know well enough to know that they're telling the truth. 425 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.639 That's incredible. I know about five people myself who I met have talked 426 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:28.639 about that, but hundreds. It's that's an amazing part of crop circles. 427 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.719 You don't hear a lot about. Actually, well it happens. I mean 428 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:37.679 almost everyone I know who has been paying attention for more than just a couple 429 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:43.719 of years, and dozens and dozens of these tourists who may only go once, 430 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.639 you know that can may have maybe only afford to be in England once. 431 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.800 Yeah, we'll have this happen. That's a great trip. I've reported 432 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.480 that some of their of these tours, they are on the Japanese. We 433 00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:59.000 got to go to break right now, so we'll talk more about those experiences 434 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.079 as soon as we can get back. You're listening to open Minds Radio. 435 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:13.920 Welcome back to open Minds Radio. Here now former officials folkesperson for the Mutual 436 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.920 UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All right, 437 00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.400 welcome back. We are talking to Nancy Talbot of BLST Research and you 438 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:28.639 can go to a site BLT research dot com to hear more about or read 439 00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:34.039 more about all of this. You write some very exhaustive, great reports on 440 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:37.840 everything that we're talking about here at BOTA Research. Ructures. Yeah, loads 441 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.760 of pictures of these cool crop circles. They're really neat looking. And when 442 00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.559 we went to Brick you were talking about how even uh, you know, 443 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:51.119 instances where tourists go out and they kind of how do they they hope for 444 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.519 a shape to appear, in a shape they're thinking of appears. Sometimes they've 445 00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.559 got it in their minds, you know, they several of them get together 446 00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.400 and they cook up an idea, or if they just have these groups, 447 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:07.800 and this particular Japanese group had apparently worked up a particular design before they came. 448 00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:13.760 They meditated on out in the fields one night on that design, and 449 00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.880 sure enough, within a couple of nights, bam, the design had appeared. 450 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.599 Now, I mean, I don't understand Japanese, and if they were 451 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.480 wishing for it in Japanese, they could have done the outloud in the middle 452 00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:28.519 of the pub. And I don't think anybody was picked up on it. 453 00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:35.360 It just it happened so often and often in very personal ways, that if 454 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.880 you are in the fields, and if you're taking all of this seriously, 455 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:43.639 really paying attention, you're quite likely to have something occur that will be very 456 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.760 particularly geared, so you get it. Maybe nobody else in the crowd would 457 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.760 get it, but you do. There's one other thing that I'd like to 458 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.719 cover. There are many other points made in this report, and I hope 459 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:59.599 people will read through it. But there was one other thing we found last 460 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:04.719 summer that was a first and I thought very exciting. Every so often, 461 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:09.320 when the crop circles occur, the farmers upon whose lands they appear are not 462 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.519 real pleased about it. In some of these cases, the farmers will cut 463 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:20.880 the formation out, you know, take a tractor in and cut out the 464 00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:25.480 formation the minute they find it. Last summer, this happened many times. 465 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:32.840 Quite a number of the farmers last summer were destroying them absolutely the first second 466 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:38.199 that they saw them. And curiously, in almost every one of those cases, 467 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:45.719 another formation would appear on the next night or within two days, let's 468 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:51.679 say, either immediately adjacent to what to the park that had been cut out, 469 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.039 or very nearby in the same field. Wow. I didn't realize that 470 00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:59.199 this had happened more than once, did I remember the one we talked about 471 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.760 in the one picture you have here, which is incredible of you know, 472 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.239 you see the game of seven or eight of such events that occurred last while 473 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:15.360 alone. Now, I have always been intensely curious because it doesn't happen all 474 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.400 that often, and you have to be right where it happened. If you're 475 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:22.519 going to be checking these plants, and so I've never known for sure was 476 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:28.079 the first one that the farmer cut out? Was it real? And is 477 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:32.159 the second one that's come down real? Also seemed to me like a most 478 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:37.840 interesting question. Well, it just so happened that our field worker managed, 479 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:43.840 by a complete stroke of luck, to appear at this winterborne basket location on 480 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:49.639 the morning that the second of these of two formations occurred. The first one 481 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.400 that occurred two days earlier, and the farmer had immediately lopped off the tops 482 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:59.960 of the plants and pretty much ruined the formation. Two days, two morning 483 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:04.039 later, here comes another one within about fifty yards of the first one, 484 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.400 the same field to sitting there in your face, right, And it happened 485 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.840 that my guy just happened to be driving by that morning, got out of 486 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.800 the car, and he first went into the second one and immediately discovered the 487 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:22.800 elongated nodes and the expulsion cavities. He then walked up the tram line into 488 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.559 the one that had been cut Now, in this case, the farmer had 489 00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:32.000 only cut off the tops of the plants, leaving the bottom two nodes and 490 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.440 in some cases three still sitting in the ground. Yeah, you can somewhat. 491 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.119 You can make out the shape of that original one still when you let 492 00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.480 a little bit, a little bit. And in that first formation, the 493 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:51.480 one that the farmer had cut out that first morning, there they were expulsion 494 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.920 cavities in every node that was left still in the ground. Wow. I 495 00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.480 mean, that is a very clear indication that the one that was cut out 496 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:07.719 had been genuine, that the second one was genuine. And then he checked 497 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:13.199 the field worker checked all of the standing crop in between the two formations, 498 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.920 and I'll be dined if those plants did not show the same changes. These 499 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:23.880 are plants that had never been flattened. They had simply been exposed twice to 500 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:30.400 this energy system in two days, and apparently it caused the standing crop, 501 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:37.239 which never went down, to have these massively elongated nodes, the expulsion cavities 502 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:42.360 all the way down the plant stem, etc. This particular effect we call 503 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.920 the spillover effect, and we had seen it back in the nineties in some 504 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:52.440 cases every once in a while that the standing crop outside the downed edges, 505 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.920 you know, would show the same changes we were finding inside, but they 506 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.320 would drop off as you got farther and far they're away from the formation. 507 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:06.559 Normally it stops right, it's the edge. But in the larger formations, 508 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:10.079 and in some of the more complicated ones, these standing plants, that the 509 00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:16.679 edges were also affected. Now, the debunkers all say that these changes, 510 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:22.079 these physical changes that we have been talking about, are simply caused by flattening 511 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:29.800 the plants with boards. Well, number one, that's wrong. But even 512 00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:34.000 if they were right, how are they going to explain the changes in the 513 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:44.480 standing plants flattened unless they're using electromagnetic harverboards? Yeah? Right? Taking a 514 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.840 hair dryer out into the field and aiming it at each of the stalks. 515 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:52.039 Now, would a hair dryer do that? Or doesn't need to be in 516 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:54.280 a microwave type of No, hair dry wouldn't do it, I've choken. 517 00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:59.440 Yeah, yeah, even with a long extension cord. I don't think so. 518 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:06.960 As John Burke wrote on the website in our published papers section, there 519 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.000 is an article called the Physics of corop Formations that he wrote some years ago 520 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:15.519 from mufon actually, and in it he talks about how one of the things 521 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:20.760 that we've noticed is that the tramlines, the tractor lines, which goes through 522 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:28.360 all these fields are functioning as waveguides for the microwave component of this energy system. 523 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.960 And you know that ball lightning, for instance, tends to chimneys and 524 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:37.920 it travels down through a chimney. Well, chimney is a long rectangular shape, 525 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:44.400 so is a tramline. It's a three sided you know, chimney instead 526 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:49.519 of a four sided one. But it was our opinion that these tramlines are 527 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:57.760 functioning as waveguides, and therefore to us it makes complete sense that you're seeing 528 00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:04.159 some of these physical changes occasionally slipped outside of the actual perimeter of the down 529 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:08.920 crop and occasionally winding along these tram lines of twenty thirty meters away from the 530 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:14.760 actual formations. Oh, that is interesting, and that's evidence for that theory. 531 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.760 It certainly fits with the idea. Now, nobody that I know of 532 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:27.960 has got a massive, huge microwave machine, much less the kind of power 533 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.760 source it would require in a plane or some It had to be one of 534 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:37.760 those enormous scraping a wax do they call them? The Yeah, it would 535 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.400 ever be a plane of about that size to carry that size of a generator. 536 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.199 And as far as I know, nobody, who ever, nobody has 537 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.360 such a thing, nor have they tried to use it in this way. 538 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:54.159 But essentially, this energy system we believe is behind all of this is made 539 00:44:54.239 --> 00:45:00.679 up of multiple energies, one of which is in fact microwaves. And microwaves, 540 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.280 because they disperse immediately, must have wave guides in order to direct them, 541 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:08.519 and we think the tram lines are in fact functioning as wave guides in 542 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:14.800 this particular example. Wow, that's incredible. Now you must be really excited 543 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:20.719 for this crop circle season. Well, I'm I'm not excited is quite the 544 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:27.679 word, but I can't imagine what more can happen each year. You know, 545 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.199 I'm kind of amazed. You better get ready for it. I'm ready. 546 00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:37.280 I'm as ready as I can be. Is with whatever we've seen so 547 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:44.679 far, it's quite interesting to know that these documented changes that we so carefully 548 00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:51.800 documented literally almost twenty years ago now are still present. This finding has never 549 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:59.440 been successfully argued against. No one has done any research and published it that 550 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:04.480 indicates we are not correct. Right, So for the time being, I'm 551 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:08.440 going with the work that we did and what it shows us, which clearly 552 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:12.920 indicates an energy other We Well, we're out of time. I don't know 553 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.960 what happened with all of our time. That could not have been enough time, 554 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:19.800 but we're out of time. Thank you Nancy for being on the show. 555 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.519 I always love having to go on to website again bltresearch dot com. 556 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:29.159 Thanks good night, thank you, goodnight. And next week we're gonna have 557 00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.159 Chris O'Brien. He's a researcher in the Sand Louise Valley in Colorado where they 558 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:37.360 have a lot of very high strangeness. My family has a story out there 559 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.880 and you're gonna have to wait till next week to hear it. So tune 560 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:44.880 in next Monday, nine pm. Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio. 561 00:46:44.920 --> 00:47:05.679 We'll talk to you next week. Gas However, like a movies for folks by Car