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Hello everyone. So recently I posted
a video of myself skateboarding. It's something

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that when I was young I did
quite a bit, and some of you

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probably know that my youngest brother was
a professional skateboarder retired now pretty amazing.

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You know, lived in California in
the nineties, and so it's been part

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of our family since I was maybe
ten years old that I started skateboarding,

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and I hadn't done it in a
very long time, and then just started

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just a few days ago. I
think I hadn't skated in like five years,

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and so just been going through my
midlife crisis in enjoying myself. But

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some people posted a question and said, you know, wanted to do the

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symbolism of skateboarding, and at three
this I thought, Okay, that's kind

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of funny. But it's been a
while since I've done a more pop culture

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or trying to show how symbolism can
be applied to pretty much everything, and

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so I thought this could be a
good way to to talk about that and

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discuss even to what extent the symbolism
of skateboarding has to do with the divine

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chariot that is seen by Ezekiel in
his vision of the Revelation of God.

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as well. And so the symbolism of

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writing something like a skateboard, first
of all, has to be put into

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the context in general of the symbolism
of riding something. The symbolism of riding

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is very ancient, of course,
you know, the taming of the horse,

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the use of mounts in order to
increase one's power is a symbolism that

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has many, many applications, and
the best way to understand it is really

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as an extension of your body.
And so the first part, if you

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think of sitting on a horse and
then controlling the horse, it's an image

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of controlling the animal part of you, or the powerful part of you,

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and you become now the mind,
and the horse becomes an extension or an

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image of your body and so to
the extent to which you're capable of controlling

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this beast under you is an image
of how you're able to control your body

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and everything that extends from your bodies
and so material potential. You know that

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image now, aunt of a horseman
on his mound can become an image of,

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for example, a king and his
kingdom, you know, a leader

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and his people. So this image
can the analogy for the image of someone

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who's able to control something which is
powerful and possibly dangerous, that can possibly

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be out of control. That it's
taming it and restraining it and directing it

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towards the purpose of the writer is
of course the way to understand this,

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and the analogies of that, like
I said, be can be applied to

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all kinds of things where someone is
restraining power towards a purpose. But of

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course, the image if you think
of a knight, you know, riding

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his horse, the horse warrior riding
his horse, but also vanquishing his enemy,

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these two things go well together.
The same for the king sitting on

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his horse as an image of him
being above the others and kind of mounting

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and being in charge of his kingdom. All this kind of comes together.

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Now there is of course an extension
of that symbolism which also includes more aspects

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of civilization, which is the idea
of technology you could say, or of

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human activity. And that is of
course the symbolism of the chariot, and

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the symbols of the chariot is very
important in the Bible. You know,

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this chariot is seen in some ways
as related to the stranger. If you

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look in the Book of Exodus,
if you look in the Book of Genesis,

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the idea of the iron chariot.
For example, the Egyptians are represented

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as having chariots, and you know
the Israelites don't have chariots. And so

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this idea of this empire, of
this civilization, this technological, bureaucratic society

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that has weapons made of iron.
As you know, of course, the

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analogy goes to Bolcane, to the
development of civilization itself and the mastery of

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materiality. And you can see already
like the very mastery of materiality in terms

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of technology can be analogous to the
idea of taming the horse and of riding

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the horse. But now if you
put them together and you have a chariot,

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then you have all of this coming
together, which is the horse is

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pulling the chariot. You have a
chariot which is made of metal and is

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therefore an image of human technoe and
human civilization, human capacity. But then

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that chariot is also a weapon,
and therefore all of the symbols align one

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or the other, because the weapon
is there to master the enemy and to

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master the other make them into potential
for our empire, either potential as an

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extension of our empire, or potential
in the sense of, you know,

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getting money from them, getting riches, getting women, getting you know,

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all the things that ancient armies used
to get from their enemies when they would

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beat them. And so this is
already you can see how it kind of

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comes together. The symbolism is not
that complicated to understand once you see it,

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but then when you come to you
know, modern modern versions of that,

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you know, there's a difference also, by the way, between the

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chariot that you sit on that has
a certain image of power, but there's

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also there's a difference between that and
the chariot that you stand on. And

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so the charoit that you stand on
is a chariot that is related to activity

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and is not just rule in the
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But when you stand on the chariot, it means you're in an active

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pose and you're therefore mastering actively the
materiality underneath you. But ultimately the reason

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for it to be standing in a
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you're also mastering the enemy in that
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good example is, of course the
chariot race, which was very popular in

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Rome, and of course as Roman
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the Roman Empire, the Christian Roman
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vehicle for sport, which is the
main sport that people would watch would be

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chariot racing because it had all of
that symbolism you know, included together plus

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of course the spirit of competition,
the race, and so all of this

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together. The man standing his chariot, you know, also going to vanquish

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his enemy, you know, master
the potential and also this and show his

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excellence. That's also part of it. And so mastering the potential is a

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way to show your excellence. This
is of course what all sports are about.

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But you know, this becomes clearly
manifest in things like rodeo for example,

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or you know, the idea of
taming wild horses. All this kind

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of imagery makes sense. And so
before we actually go to skateboarding, this

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leads to the symbolism of the divine
chariot, and so in the Book of

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Ezekiel, Ezekiel sees this image of
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direction and four beasts that have four
faces that are, you know, the

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manifestation of multiplicity. I don't want
to go too much into this symbolism of

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the charit itself and it's multiple elements, but you know, you can find

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other videos that I've talked about that, but you mostly need to understand the

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idea of the divine charit itself,
which is the charit itself is in some

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ways God, the man which God
reveals himself in the world, and the

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chariot becomes a vehicle for that manifestation. The charot is also can go in

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every which way. It's mobile,
because you know, it's variable depending on

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the circumstance. And so God descends
onto the chariot, and then the chariot

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becomes an image of the entire cosmos, of the entire world. And that's

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important to understand because what Ezekiel ultimately
sees when he looks up, he sees

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a dome, and he sees the
Son of Man sitting on the dome,

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very much like you see in the
architecture of the Orthodox Church. He sees

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the Son of Man sitting on a
throne at the top of the dome.

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And then under this are the four
pillars that are also four let's say,

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wheels of a chariot, and then
you have this chariot kind of moving around,

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and that is of course an image
of the man in which God masters

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the entire cosmos, rules over,
you know, the cosmos becomes a vehicle

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for his power. His footstool is
another way to often represent it, you

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know, the thing that He dominates, not in a bad sense, but

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in the sense of mastering and manifesting
his will through it. This is,

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of course, this is what this
vision of the chariot is there to represent.

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But now it applies to the entire
cosmos. So you can see how

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the image of God descending onto the
divine chariot and manifesting his will and power

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in the world can be taken all
the way down to the image of someone

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riding a horse or someone writing a
chariot into war, like you see in

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the scripture. But then you can
apply to all kinds of things. And

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so the idea, for example,
of surfing, out of which skateboard comes

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from, is a pristine example of
that. So you can understand how,

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you know, people tend to associate
surfing with some kind of mystical experience because

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and you know, there's a kind
of weird spirituality about surfers because of I

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think that they're onto something. I
don't think it's sufficient obviously, but they're

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onto something they can kind of glimpse
through their activity and understand, you know,

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what it is that they're doing,
which is very simply they're standing on

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a flat board on top of chaos. And so think of the world as

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a disk, you know, in
the old ancient ideas, a world as

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this thing, and then under the
world are the waters, all the chaos,

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all the possibilities. And then man
stands on connects the meaning and purpose

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and reason and direction with the chaos
below by being the connector of heaven and

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Earth together. And so the surfer
is standing on his board on the water,

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and it's important that he stands too. And it's a little different than,

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for example, being in a boat, because when you stand, if

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you're standing on the board and you're
using the wave underneath you, there's something

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a little more also of not just
mastery, but also can I say this,

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of really feeling the potential that is
underneath you and in some ways using

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it in order not to drown and
to be able to surf the wave of

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chaos and use it to your advantage
and to your purpose, and to to

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kind of also show your expertise,
to show your to show your capacity to

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manage it. It's simply it's closer
to for example, writing a bull,

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you know, riding a wild horse
for example, Uh, surfing is in

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terms of what it is that you're
accomplishing when you're doing it, it's closer

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to that type of symbolism. Now, once you're doing that, then because

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part of it is basically showing your
mastery, then you can understand why it

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doesn't take long for there to be
something like tricks, just like you have

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trick riding, for example, in
rodeos, where the idea is to up

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your mastery and then also show up
your mastery, you know, compared to

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the others. And so you start
by writing the board on the wave,

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and then you start by moving.
Then you start moving on the board.

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You start doing these things and you
do different different tricks, and then ultimately

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the ultimate trick is of course something
like getting air, because then you're using

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the wave of chaos in order to
go up into the heavens. And so

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there's something that is completely intuitive about
seeing that because you think, you know,

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we're so used to seeing these images
on skateboards or on surfs, on

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surfboards of people kind of you know, hitting the wave and then using the

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peak of chaos in order to ascend
up into the heavens that we think.

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But when we see it, it's
so satisfying. There's something about it which

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feels so right, even though it's
completely absurd. It's not practical, it

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doesn't have any purpose in the world. You know, it's a form of

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game, it's a form of play. But you can really see the symbolism

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of, you know, how it
is that man connects with the chaos of

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the of the waters, and what
it is that man can do to use

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it in order to you know,
go up higher up into the heavens.

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Thing like going up the mountain,
for example, in spiritual symbolism. Now,

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of course skateboarding then is a derivative
of surfing and has the same the

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basic same symbolism, but in skateboarding
there's a there's a difference. That's why

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there's a punk aspect because in some
ways there there's a symbolism in skateboarding which

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has to do with freeing ourselves from
the constraints of civilization and so showing our

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mastery and our use of civilizational things, whether it's the city itself by riding

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through the city, whether it is
you know, these constructions that we have

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to build in order to master them. There's a weird aspect which is on

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the one hand, to show our
mastery of the you know, of the

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civilizational apparatus, but then also demonstrate
in some ways the capacity to be free

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from that. And so all of
skateboarding has always had this kind of punk

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rock attitude also because you know,
it's often made illegal and therefore there's a

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there's an aspect of that which is
also transgression, the capacity to transgress the

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use of of these these social constructions, right, and so you know,

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you grind something that's made to just
be a sidewalk, You you jump up,

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you, you allie onto things.
You use the architecture in ways that

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aren't meant to and that are somewhat
dangerous and also show a kind of separation

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between between what you're doing and the
use the normal use of these this apparatus.

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But ultimately, you know as the
you as you master you know the

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board, and you master the four
wheels, and this chariot, your chariot

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now is something that you master,
and you're able to kind of master the

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the architecture and the city that is
around you. You know, it is

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nonetheless participating in a very little way, you know, in a very kind

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of imitative way with the intuition we
have about this symbolism of the chariot,

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especially the standing chariot, and the
idea of showing mastery over the world in

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this capacity. And so hopefully this
is helpful for you to understand how it

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is that symbolism can be applied and
how did you can see the analogies and

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understand that even though some versions of
symbolism are quite reduced and are much smaller

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and are less encompassing than the others, that we can find their meaning and

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we can understand why they're so important
when you can notice the analogy with the

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higher and higher types of symbolism.
Now, of course, like I said,

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skateboarding is a game. There's an
aspect of skateboard symbolism which also has

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to do with carnival in the sense
that there's an aspect of carnival which is

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to demonstrate your mastery of the carnival. And so there's an aspect of carnival

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which is in someone's giving in to
the to the turning right, to giving

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in to the the lights and the
chaos and everything. But there's an aspect

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of carnival which manifests itself always as
the capacity to master the element of carnival.

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And so, you know, if
you think of someone rolling on a

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ball, for example, you know, like walking on a ball, this

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is an or you know, walking
on a roller, these different aspects of

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symbolism, or to some extent,
the manner in which acrobats use, you

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know, walking on a string,
these different things that you see in circuses

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and the way that acrobats kind of
manifest their their capacity to be in the

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swirling of the world and to kind
of be in this wheel that's turning and

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turning, but either being on top
of it and mastering it, or showing

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some type of degree that this thing
isn't going to swallow and in fact they're

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above it and they're capable of mastering
it. There's definitely something about skateboarding in

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that symbolism as well, you know, especially as you get into all the

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flippy tricks and you know, all
these things, but there's still that whole

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element of getting air. You know, can you imagine the first time someone

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did that, you know what it
was showing this weird epiphany. I remember

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hearing Tony Alva say that he was
skating a pool. I think he was

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the first one to actually get air, and he was skating a pool and

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he kind of went over the lip. He went over the top and he

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said, I remember the interview.
He said, like it was the revolution.

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It was the beginning of the revolution. And of course, you know

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how ridiculous that sounds. You can
understand that this idea of this this standing

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chariot with wheels under it. You
know that as you kind of move from

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flat and then you move into something
that's vertical and it's going up, and

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then you're capable of using that thrust
to move from the horizontal into the vertical

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and then suddenly launch up into the
air is something which has deep resonance in

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us, deep residence in religious symbolism
and religious participation. And of course,

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like I said, it's not sufficient. And the thing about surfing and skateboarding

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that because it does have some element
of the mystical in it, people sometimes

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get trapped in it. People get
obsessed, They let it take over their

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entire personality. It becomes like a
little cult where they're like skaters and they

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they you know, everything about their
identity now is taken over by this thing

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or surfers. And you know that
shows that to what extent it glimmers on

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the religious symbolism and hints at it. And so of course it can be

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dangerous in that sense because people can
sometimes get caught up. But in the

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right perspective, if you understand the
symbolism, I mean, you can participate

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and use it as a kind of
method of training for mastery and you know,

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for understanding these relationships of horizontal and
vertical and the mastery of potential.

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But you also don't get caught up
in it, you don't let it take

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over. Then it can be a
little bit of let's say, a glimmer

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of a mystical experience. And so
you know, I hope this was useful

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to you. I thank everybody for
your attention, and yeah, talk to

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you very soon. Bye bye,