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Let's go. He's your host, James Rapine. Like I said, joined
today by Parker Blake, who is ready to talk trench guys. Trench play
in Mobile, Alabama. Park did this year first trip to the Senior Bowl.
Yeah, it sure was, man, I've been wanting to go for
a long time, but it just worked out that I was able to.
Now I got to find a way to get back next year. But it
was a blast. Yeah, let's discuss that aspect a little bit. Did
it live up to the hype for you? I'm sure there was a lot
of anticipation. I've never been to the Senior Bowl, been to the Combine
a bunch heck, made it to the Super Bowl before the Senior Bowl.
So what's it like down there? Yeah? I know it was funny because
I was spent, like I feel like my main mission it even extended through
like day two. But I was like, I have to find someone else
that's their first year, because everyone I talked to you like, oh,
I've been coming for fifteen years, twenty years. I can't remember how long
I've been coming. And I was like, damn, like am I the
only new beat out here? But like it was funny because everyone kept telling
me. It wasn't like, oh the prospects this year or better, Oh
you got a great year to come down. It was like, man,
what a year to be your first year. This is the best weather we've
had in like decades, and it was we were all laughing because on day
two in day three was bad, but everybody was just sunburned because no one
expected, you know, to get sunburned in January, especially even down in
Alabama. So but I mean, I had a blast. It lived up
to my expectations. I had a great time watching. I met a lot
of great people, and I got the film last year from the Senior Bowl,
but being there and being in person, being able to focus on what
I wanted to focus on, even some of the interactions with coaches they don't
really get to see. That really was just what I was there for,
and I'm glad I got, you know, the most out of that.
What's the difference for you seeing the guys in person, seeing the one on
ones in person, with the offensive defensive line the team fills in person versus
the film perspective for you and your experience last week. Yeah, So I
feel like when you're watching the film, people just assume that, you know,
you get the all twenty two anglish. You get close angles, but
you don't really get a good sense of like actual game speed on the film.
I know that doesn't really make a lot of sense, but like seeing
these guys move, how smooth they move, and the minution and what they're
doing can kind of get covered up on film with just a couple of angles
that you get. So honestly, getting that side angle, especially the one
on ones and I as the days went on, I got I got a
little higher up in the stand, so I get even a better bird's eye
view. But watching hands a little bit better watching how smooth they're moving,
and just kind of like the mentality some of these guys took into it.
I talked a lot about how I felt all week the national team really lacked
energy on both sides of the ball. There wasn't a lot of energy,
and you want to especially with the D line, you want to see some
of these guys, you know, really be passionate about what they're doing.
I know that sounds dumb because they're going to the NFL or that level of
prospect, but you want them to be passionate about what they're doing and get
excited or be frustrated. And that's where there was a lot of talk about,
you know, justin oh what was his last name, Ah, the
LSU defensive tackle who rips off Christian hay tellmet. Everyone's like, oh,
that's a big red flag for scouts. But honestly, that group was like
in a slump for two days straight and they actually had to come together in
the middle of one on ones. They brought everybody together and they talked for
a good like ten to fifteen minutes, and then they reset and got back
at it, and they came out with a lot more tenacity and energy Jordan
Jefferson. Jordan Jefferson, I knew it was way off with that. One
didn't even sound rights to Justin Jefferson's. I remembered that and that's why I
went for Justin. But anyway, but yeah, I think the energy is
the big thing that they don't really get. I don't think it's a technique
thing as much. It's just really feeling how the guys play. And that's
that's why I like focusing on is there one guy that you were really super
low on or not as high on as consensus, and then you got there
and you saw him in person, and heck, maybe you talk to him
or you saw him just moving around, and then practice where you were like,
oh, now I get it, because I do think that that's the
benefit you get from going and seeing him in person. And certainly that's something
I think the NFL Combine is for, too, is for these scouts and
evaluators just to see and interact with the prospects and what a difference that can
make for some of those fringe guys that might have decent film, but some
scouts might be lower on that consensus. So Patrick Paul was a guy that
a lot of people were really high on it, including myself. I wasn't
low on him per se, but his profile was so like either really really
top end or really really low in because I thought on film he really struggled
athletically. Really he has all that length, and so what he would do
is he'd reached outside of his frame and was really gravvy. I'm like,
this is going to be a penalty magnet in the league, And so I
came down with a ton of questions. I actually tried talking to him a
bunch, and I really focused on him during a lot of his reps.
The first guy I watched in film was Patrick Paul. I just really wanted
to figure out what he was as a prospect. Throughout this whole process,
he was one of my main guys, and I think he did a lot
for me to really solidify, you know, his profile and kind of get
me there with him And where did you land? Where were you before,
where were you after? And what were the things that changed your perspective on
where he should be evaluated? Yeah, I mean I had him as a
top top ten guy obviously, he had he has the size and tackle not
yeah at tackle. Sorry, Yeah, not overall. I still had him
as like a top twenty five guy, first round guy, easy, just
because of the size of the pedigree. But I just, yeah, his
athleticism worried me, and like I said, his technique and so watching him
play, actually, I think I can see him now as a top five
guy. I think I currently have him as a top five tackle in my
rankings, and I'd say he's a top fifteen prospect in my eyes. I
don't know if a lot of people are going to see him that way,
but just from talking to him and listening to what he's been focusing on it,
I think he's very self aware about his flaws and his strengths. And
I think Duke the guy's many whether who he's training with is allowing him,
like helping him see those flaws and see those issues, and I really think
he's focused on improving. I don't know, it sounds weird. Again,
it sounds weird all these guys should be, but I think he's really locked
in and that really helped me get there with him. You think that the
Bengals should target him at eighteen potentially obviously we don't know who's there, but
you would list him as in, let's be honest here, our listener's magic.
We're all and we've heard of Patrick Paul, but a lot of our
listeners are getting to know these guys. You think that's someone that they should
at least highlight or put a star next to as a potential candidate for that
eighteenth, eighteenth pick. Yeah. So he played left tackle at Houston,
and I've talked about when you're I mean, I think we all had this
discourse last year, but when you're transitioning from left to right tackle, I've
always said it's a lot easier to project a higher, a better athletic profile
to switch. And I still don't think he's their athletic. We'll see how
we tests. But just watching him move around and even talking to him,
people ask him like, oh, are you working both? Are you anticipating
trying to just make a land somewhere at both? And he seems very adamant
that he's a lot more comfortable staying at left. I think the best answer
I heard was, you know, I'm more than happy to play right tackle,
but it's definitely going to take me a lot longer to get there.
And so I don't think the Bengals will target him purely for that reason because
and I don't I think it's a good idea. I don't think he'd transitioned
well to the right. I think he is a left tackle. I mean,
I'd love to have him in buying Orlando Brown. That's a guy that
could definitely help him figure it out in the league. But I just he'd
be he'd be a bench writer in my opinion. Real quick, just a
fun fact about him. He's Chris Paul's younger brother, but not that Chris
Paul, ladies and gentlemen, the Chris Paul that was a seventh round pick
for the Washington Commanders a few years ago. So just for those wondering,
is Chris Paul's younger brother, but not the Chris Paul that's an NBA star
and going to be a Hall of Famer one day. And just to add
on to that, someone actually asked them about that on the field after a
practice. They're like, oh, you know, you asked him. Remember
how they phrased the question, But it was like super vague, and like
everyone around like started looking around at each other and was like, oh,
like crisp like that Chris Ball. And so we ended up googling it on
the field and we're like, oh, Like, I don't know why they
got us all excited over that, but that's a funny, little little fun
fact there. I love that there's some higher profile guys, more well known
names. Anyway, I did not expect us to be starting with Patrick Paul,
but some guys at the Bengals will be considering that. We can talk
about highlighted by a guy that I know you've got some some feelings about Parker
and Tyler, Guyton. We'll get to some of those names coming up next.
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that we've talked about on Twitter in the last few days or when you were
coming back from the Senior Bowl anyway, Jackson Powers Johnson a guy that really
made a name for himself in Mobile. And Tovandre Sweat, a guy that
captured the imagination of both James and myself and a guy that we've talked about
on the show this week as well. But let's start with or or stay
on the offensive tackle side of things. Tyler Goyiton and talley Esa fu Waga
the biggest name I would say tackles in Mobile. How did you come away
with those two guys in terms of where you had them before, where you
had them after, and what moved those evaluations, if anything, are confirmed
what you thought about those players. Yeah, So I'll start with Talisa Fuaga
out of Oregon State. He played right tackle. I'm just trying to help
people get familiar that aren't. But uh, he's a guy all right that
I just I came in Really, I wasn't not that I wasn't interested in
watching him, but I really just came in to see him on day one
and be like, Oh, is this the guy that I think he is?
And he's every bit of what everyone talks about him where he's physical he's
aggressive, he's athletic. I do think he's got a little he has length
issues. He looks a little shorter, limbed. I know his arms came
in a little low. His legs need to be short. He doesn't really
have that length in his set. But his athleticism helps make up for a
lot of things, and his aggression helps finish stuff that a lot of other
guys just don't really have the energy or athletic capability to do. And so
I think he was through the first couple of days one of the guys getting
guys on the ground the most and just really imbtied everything that I thought he
was as a prospect, just them all or man and he's just fun to
watch. So is he someone you run to the podium too? Casual jog
stroll? Yeah, I think it really comes down for me at eighteen.
If Newton's there, you go Newton, you know, Jerseon Newton. But
if Jerson Newton's not there, it's Talisa Fugg He's the guy. So exactly,
he would be your realistic number one tackle, just put it that for
the for the Bengals, Yeah, he'd be my guy, the number one
tackle on the Bengals board another guy. I think that would be perhaps in
that conversation, I don't know. We talked a little bit about the Marius
Men's Tyler Goyiton topic. But Tyler Goyiton was a guy at the Senior Bowl,
also played right tackle at Oklahoma, was a transfer, a little bit
of a late bloomer, a little bit older, working with Paul Alexander.
We talked about Patrick Paul working with Duke Manieweather, also working with Orlando Brown,
or has a relationship at least with Orlando Brown, former Oklahoma tackle as
well. Where did Tyler Guiton sack up compared to Fuaga and how are they
different prospects? Yeah, so Giton is like the exact opposite from a physical
profile where he's tall and long and just has has like the pro prototypical NFL
tackle size, right, And that's where you get a lot of these guys
are like, oh, well you can't, I can't coach size. I
might as well take a swing on the guy that has at least the measurables
and we can work on the technique. And Guidon was a guy that I
really hoped would show me that he improved. I mean obviously not drastically from
the season ended just a couple months ago to now, but can show some
improvement. A lot of these guys showed some significant improvement technically, and you
can tell the obviously been working really hard to really clean up their profile coming
into the process, and he just kind of seemed like the same player to
me, and I guess I'm really high on him just because of the size
paired with his athletic profile. I think he's going to be a really good
tester and he moves really well. He's a strong guy, he's a competitor.
He was one of the few guys getting like amped up after every single
rep he took. I know it took him I think a full day.
Oh it might have might have only been half a session, but it took
him a longer than he wanted to get it up against Chris Braswell, who
is an end J out of Alabama, because he knew he was one of
the top prospects and his you know, his team that he was able to
face off against, and he was looking forward to that matchup for a long
time. When he finally got it, you know, he got down in
there, gave a little the little the little high five before the rep and
then you know, handshake after tap on the head and he's just yeah,
he's a big competitor. I love that drive out of guys. And just
from a technical perspective, he's got really active feet, really quick feet for
a guy at his size. His hands are the biggest question for me.
And unfortunately, throughout the Senior Bowl, I did not did not fix that
issue. I didn't. I didn't come out of the Senior but like,
oh wow, he really has improved hands. It's kind of like, yeah,
it's just like an issue we're just going to have to deal with.
Is something that can be cleaned up in an offseason or two. Like and
like you talked about being a late bloomer, I think that's a really big
concern for some people. I don't really worry about that as much with these
guys being able to have, you know, ten plus year careers if they
can hit that level. But yeah, we'll we'll see, We'll see how
it goes. I'm interested to see how he tests. He's a big guy.
If he tests well, then I'm I'm feeling confident to take this.
I probably put him at two or three at the second or third offensive tackle
for the Bengals. Specifically, in my opinion, how do you think he
would fit alongside this offensive line? Orlando Brown Junior obviously on the other side,
former Oklahoma tackle like Jake mentioned. But one thing everyone has seemed to
mention is the fact that the Bengals haven't used many premium picks on offensive linemen
in the athleticism aspect. So does the testing? Does it come down to
the testing for you for Guitten as far as him being in contention for the
eighteenth pick and him testing as well as you think, I really think it's
gonna come. I mean, it's obviously gonna be a couple of factors,
But the testing is so big for him because if he can test well like
a top level tester in the class at that size, I just think that's
something that you have to It's almost worth the risk in my opinion, especially
in a year where they can I've talked about using this to kind of build
build on the draft position. How often you're going to be picking at eighteen?
How often do you really invest capital draft capital into this position? Go
get a long term guy that you feel confident that you can work with.
But I as far as fit goes, I just man, I'd like to
say he's gonna fit really well with the group. I mean, you got
Alex Kappa, who's next to Tristan works for at least I don't remember how
long that relationship actually lasted, but a couple of seasons at least, so
he's used to working next to more athletic guy. And I said for a
while now that the Bengals need a guy in the room that can be that
enforcer, that can be that aggressive play style type of guy. And bringing
guyton in, I think he is that guy and could be that guy,
and that'd be a huge boost to the room in my opinion. So that's
where I think he'd bring a lot to the room that they're missing. And
that's where I really like that pick. Him and fu Waga bring both of
those things. That's why I really like both of those guys for the Bengals.
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Parker before we talk JPJ, before we talk defensive line, and Ta von
grasweat any other tackles stood out to you that you want to talk about as
potential Bengals targets. After what you saw from them at the Senior Bowl.
One of the guys that I've seen a lot of people talking about Jordan Morgan,
a left tackle, came back from an ACL injury, played really well
after an ACL injury. Some people would say better. Was it the Senior
Bowl as well? But are there any other tackles that you want to dive
into and give some thoughts on for a Bengals fit before we talk about some
of these other guys. I got a guy I'm saving for the end that
I might I might just save for the end for now. Okay, we'll
let you stand on the table for him in a moment Jackson powers Johnson,
any any thoughts there? He obviously had a standout week, was one of
the guys seen as a big winner pretty unanimously by those covering the Senior Bowl.
Obviously, though, you have a positional value difference and a scarcity difference
an interior offensive line versus tackle, and you could talk about Christian Haynes potentially
as a later round target on the interior if the Bengals were so inclined,
but positional versatility there potentially with JPJ, did he really make a mark for
himself for you did he change and elevate his profile in your eyes? You
know, I heard a lot of people talking about how he really, you
know, propelled himself into the first round conversation. I still see him as
a solid second rounder, and that's not really a knock on what he did,
but just more speaking to the talent pool of this draft. I just
don't know if the value is there outside of positional need for Jackson powers Johnson.
I really liked what he did. I thought he looked very strong.
He's a guy where with his again, with his size, which is really
good for the position, and what he's able to do with his hands.
I'm really excited for what he can do again, multiple multipositional he's got.
He checks all the boxes right, and the one thing that I thought was
missing on his film was athleticism. I want to see him move well.
I know there's a lot of people to talk about how he well he moved
down down the field, and I don't know if it's an Oregon offense thing
or him his play style type thing. I didn't really see a lot of
athleticism in his game down at the Senior Bowl, So I'm really interested to
see how he tests again. If he tests well, that'll be the final
box for me and I'll be there with him. That's the one thing holding
me back on him with being at his size. I'd like to see him
move a little better to be like that top tier prospect that people are talking
about. But I really like his game. I think he's a fun player
to watch, has a great personality. But yeah, I just I'm not
there with him athletically, but I really like what he does in every other
aspect of the game. Love him as a prospect. I just he won't
be my center one, but probably gonna be my center two by the end
of the process. Yeah, there are to me outside of right tackle,
there's still a need and this is probably a need that should be filled in
the draft for sure, because you're not sure exactly if like Jackson powerd.
Johnson might start for the Bengals at left guard if they drafted him eighteenth overall,
But if you take a center guard combo on day two, day three,
early day three, that guy's probably not starting as a rookie. Are
there any guys like that that you like? Because I think that is in
need and that's something that they need to address and Ideally it would be someone
that could play center and guard and back up all three spots if possible.
Yeah, I've I've been a huge fan of Christian Haynes since I turned on
the film. And I know a lot of people are gonna be turned off
by him just because of the measurables, but he plays outside of those constraints
really well. He moves really well. And this week and again he was
a guy I was super worried about his play strength because he showed it on
film, but the games that I have access to right now just it wasn't
the best competition. So I was like, Oh, if I come into
this week and come out of this week seeing him really like throw in that
anchor, be able to stand some of these guys up and be a people
mover in the run game, I'm gonna be really excited about this kid.
And he did all of those things throughout the week, and he's just he's
a maller, he's super aggressive. He's actually training with Tyler Geyton. Take
that from what you will, but I just I love that kid, and
he just is a hard worker and plays plays a lot bigger than he looks
and just has that play style that I that I love, and so he's
a guy that checks all the boxes for me, and he's gonna be a
later round pick. I think he'll slide because of his measurables and outside of
him, I'm trying to think of guys. I mean, Zach Fraser is
a guy that probably would have been a top guy for me in this class
without the injury. But he's already ready to go. He was patted up
on day one. I didn't see him do much of anything throughout the Senior
Bowl, but it sounds like he's gonna be a full participant in the combine.
He's just he was the center out of West Virginia and he's he's a
guy that I see as a multi positional guy as well, where I just
I love his game. I love what he can do. Another guy checks
all the boxes for me. Should end up being probably a late third rounder,
if not early day three type guy, just because of the profile and
if he's really able to come back from that injury this fast. But yeah,
he's the guy that I want to buy a lot of stocking before we
let you stand on the table. Let's shift gears talk defensive line really quick
Devandres went obviously the big stand out to me, But as you were watching
the defensive line, I'm curious to get your take. We were just talking
to Mike Runner about the trenches as well. He mentioned the Christian Hanse he
thinks is long levered despite his short height, which he thinks is potentially an
upside for him at guard, which is interesting. We'll see how he measures
and how he tests and everything. But the defensive side of the ball,
Mike Renner was a little disappointed for the most part outside of sweat. What
were your takeaways when you were watching the defensive line class and did anyone stand
out to you in a big way as the potential Bengals target. Yeah?
There, So the most interesting guy for me had it been Brandon Dorless out
of Oregon. I think he played a lot of edge out there, but
he really mostly played inside at the Senior Bowl and he was very dominant in
the one on one periods. However, we got the team and it was
like, you know, he'd be very hit and miss. My favorite guy
out of the entire d line group, and it sounds like this is pretty
you know, consensus. But Braiden Fisk, Braiden by Kellen Brandon all Week.
Braiden Fisk out of Florida State is an absolute monster. He seemed unblockable
at times. People just couldn't handle it, man, And he was just
fun to watch, sounds like from what I talked everyone I talked to he
was a great interview. Again, another high, high character guy. People
just loved hanging out with him. He interacted with fans every time he got
the opportunity to. Just a great guy, great demeanor, but just a
monster on the field. And those are just guys you love to see and
I'm excited to see what he's able to do at the next level. But
he's probably my defensive line winner of the week instead of Devandre Sweat. So
if they took him day two, you'd be pretty excited. I would be
absolutely amped if they took him day two. The one thing I'll call out
about Fisk, of course, fifth year senior, was a transfer and that's
he just ages Jake. It's that time of year. It haint these old
guys. Man. I don't I don't in a vacuum, but it's a
factor that you have to consider when comparing a guy that maybe is a junior
playing against the same level of competition compared to a guy that's two years older.
It's in that timeframe of life. Think about your life between ages eighteen
and twenty three and how much physical development occurs in that period of life,
and that that's also true for these guys in college football. But Parker said,
we were gonna let you stand on the table. You can have a
couple of guys you've I think fisc is one of your guys. That was
a little bit of standing on the table, but not necessarily as passionate as
you might get about this other guy. I don't know who it is.
Go ahead, get up on that table. Yeah. I know a guy
that I thought was a huge riser this week that I'd seen some people talk
about, but just that I really loved his game and needed to see him
tune some things up this week, and he did. Was Kingsley Sue Mattea
out a BYU. He played both tackles a lot all week and played both
at a very high level, especially towards the end of the week. He
showed an impressive anchor and he's he's a crazy athlete, man, And so
my biggest concern coming in was he just played really out of control and really
lean on that athleticism on film and even earlier, like his Day one wasn't
great, but his Day two and three we were spectacular, and he explodes
off the ball. Just getting to the second level. He just is easy
for him. He handles linebackers like it's nothing. And I just really came
into the week need to see him like, hey, let's settle in past
protection wise, don't just worry about being athletic and mirroring guys. Really get
a hands on, be powerful, set that anchor. Really just own some
guys in past protection. And he did that through Day two and three.
Was getting guys on the ground. Was really just he had very tight hands.
Wasn't as wild and crazy as I had seen him on film, played
a lot more under control even at the same second level. Is a people
mover in the run game. I just think he does everything well. And
if I saw him come up on a lot of people's boards throughout the week
and he's really impressed, I don't. I still don't think he's going to
be in the first round conversation because he's still very raw as a prospect.
But if you can get him into a building and really tune him up.
I think he can really be a monster at the next level. So Kingsley
Sumtea round two, brock Bowers round one. You're a big brock Bawers guy.
You go with what's sorry, I'm already losing his name. Hold on,
hold on, hold on here, Christian Haynes. Round four. I'm
just trying to find your guys. Parker. Yeah, I mean, brock
Bowers is definitely not my first round pick, but you're more the welcome to
keep telling people that so I can look like a genius when he goes that
earlier. Me and Parker have been texting about brock Bowers for a while.
He's anti Brock. I'm all in. But if these if the Bengals could
end up with Sue Matteya and Haines like that would just it would obviously increase
the athletic in the room, you know, one hundred fold, it feels
like at times. But those are just I don't know, man, those
are guys with really high ceilings that if you can maximize that, then you're
gonna have some real studs in this group. And that's what the Bengals have
to figure out. With the floor ceiling conversation, what kind of players they
want to take, if they are guys that maybe need development time, or
how ready they are to hit the ground running. Some fun facts on kings
Ley Sua Mattea played both tackles at BYU played left hand right tackle, was
apparently a five star recruit, but a cousin to the Sewels, Penne Sewell's
cousin, and was a high school teammate a pukin Nakua, which I thought
was interesting as well. Some good NFL connections there for Kingsley Sue Mattea,
and if he's showing some improvement technically, could be a very fun prospect to
talk about throughout the process. Parker, we appreciate the time and you sharing
your experience down in Mobile some of the guys that stood out to you.
Excited to see your evaluations as the process goes on. Of course, you
can find Parker on Twitter and all of his work at Parker Blake six,
so you can find some of his writing over at Allbengals dot com as well.
So make sure you check out Parker's work, give him a follow on
Twitter, and that's gonna do it for this episode of the Lockdown, Bengals
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