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Let's take 10 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:50.159 a deep dive into the trenches of the Senior Bowl with our guy, Parker 11 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:53.960 Blake, who is there in person and is ready to offer his insight. 12 00:00:54.920 --> 00:01:00.479 You are Locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the 13 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:22.519 Lockdown Podcast Network, Your team every day at Bengals fans and welcome to another 14 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:27.400 episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. We're keeping things focused on the Senior Bowl 15 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:34.079 for the fourth straight day. Senior Bowl a big event, of course in 16 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:38.400 the off season. Usually we're talking about Bengals football at least the last couple 17 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:41.079 of years around this time of year, But this year we get to talk 18 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:46.519 about the Senior Bowl, and Parker Blake was down in Mobile. We're going 19 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:49.640 to take a deep dive into the trenches today in an episode brought to you 20 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:52.959 by Prize Picks, the easiest and most exciting way to play daily fantasy sports. 21 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:55.640 Check it out at Prize picks dot com. Slash Lockdown NFL. Use 22 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.439 promo code Lockdown NFL for a first depositive match up to one host Jake. 23 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:01.560 Let's go. He's your host, James Rapine. Like I said, joined 24 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:07.479 today by Parker Blake, who is ready to talk trench guys. Trench play 25 00:02:07.960 --> 00:02:12.599 in Mobile, Alabama. Park did this year first trip to the Senior Bowl. 26 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.319 Yeah, it sure was, man, I've been wanting to go for 27 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:16.960 a long time, but it just worked out that I was able to. 28 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:20.039 Now I got to find a way to get back next year. But it 29 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:27.319 was a blast. Yeah, let's discuss that aspect a little bit. Did 30 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:29.800 it live up to the hype for you? I'm sure there was a lot 31 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:31.319 of anticipation. I've never been to the Senior Bowl, been to the Combine 32 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:35.159 a bunch heck, made it to the Super Bowl before the Senior Bowl. 33 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:38.039 So what's it like down there? Yeah? I know it was funny because 34 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:43.680 I was spent, like I feel like my main mission it even extended through 35 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.240 like day two. But I was like, I have to find someone else 36 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:47.479 that's their first year, because everyone I talked to you like, oh, 37 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:52.000 I've been coming for fifteen years, twenty years. I can't remember how long 38 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:53.520 I've been coming. And I was like, damn, like am I the 39 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:58.439 only new beat out here? But like it was funny because everyone kept telling 40 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:00.120 me. It wasn't like, oh the prospects this year or better, Oh 41 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:02.080 you got a great year to come down. It was like, man, 42 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:05.840 what a year to be your first year. This is the best weather we've 43 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.360 had in like decades, and it was we were all laughing because on day 44 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:13.599 two in day three was bad, but everybody was just sunburned because no one 45 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:16.879 expected, you know, to get sunburned in January, especially even down in 46 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:21.840 Alabama. So but I mean, I had a blast. It lived up 47 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:23.120 to my expectations. I had a great time watching. I met a lot 48 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:28.280 of great people, and I got the film last year from the Senior Bowl, 49 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.439 but being there and being in person, being able to focus on what 50 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:34.159 I wanted to focus on, even some of the interactions with coaches they don't 51 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.879 really get to see. That really was just what I was there for, 52 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:38.759 and I'm glad I got, you know, the most out of that. 53 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:43.080 What's the difference for you seeing the guys in person, seeing the one on 54 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.199 ones in person, with the offensive defensive line the team fills in person versus 55 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:53.639 the film perspective for you and your experience last week. Yeah, So I 56 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:58.560 feel like when you're watching the film, people just assume that, you know, 57 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:00.080 you get the all twenty two anglish. You get close angles, but 58 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:05.039 you don't really get a good sense of like actual game speed on the film. 59 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.400 I know that doesn't really make a lot of sense, but like seeing 60 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:11.520 these guys move, how smooth they move, and the minution and what they're 61 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.479 doing can kind of get covered up on film with just a couple of angles 62 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:16.560 that you get. So honestly, getting that side angle, especially the one 63 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:19.519 on ones and I as the days went on, I got I got a 64 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:23.079 little higher up in the stand, so I get even a better bird's eye 65 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:27.120 view. But watching hands a little bit better watching how smooth they're moving, 66 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:30.439 and just kind of like the mentality some of these guys took into it. 67 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.920 I talked a lot about how I felt all week the national team really lacked 68 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:36.680 energy on both sides of the ball. There wasn't a lot of energy, 69 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:40.240 and you want to especially with the D line, you want to see some 70 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.839 of these guys, you know, really be passionate about what they're doing. 71 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.480 I know that sounds dumb because they're going to the NFL or that level of 72 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:49.120 prospect, but you want them to be passionate about what they're doing and get 73 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:53.319 excited or be frustrated. And that's where there was a lot of talk about, 74 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:57.439 you know, justin oh what was his last name, Ah, the 75 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:01.160 LSU defensive tackle who rips off Christian hay tellmet. Everyone's like, oh, 76 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:04.759 that's a big red flag for scouts. But honestly, that group was like 77 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:09.399 in a slump for two days straight and they actually had to come together in 78 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:12.560 the middle of one on ones. They brought everybody together and they talked for 79 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.160 a good like ten to fifteen minutes, and then they reset and got back 80 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.120 at it, and they came out with a lot more tenacity and energy Jordan 81 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:23.600 Jefferson. Jordan Jefferson, I knew it was way off with that. One 82 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:29.160 didn't even sound rights to Justin Jefferson's. I remembered that and that's why I 83 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.240 went for Justin. But anyway, but yeah, I think the energy is 84 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:33.680 the big thing that they don't really get. I don't think it's a technique 85 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.680 thing as much. It's just really feeling how the guys play. And that's 86 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:45.879 that's why I like focusing on is there one guy that you were really super 87 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:49.720 low on or not as high on as consensus, and then you got there 88 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:54.399 and you saw him in person, and heck, maybe you talk to him 89 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:57.759 or you saw him just moving around, and then practice where you were like, 90 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:01.160 oh, now I get it, because I do think that that's the 91 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:05.439 benefit you get from going and seeing him in person. And certainly that's something 92 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:09.720 I think the NFL Combine is for, too, is for these scouts and 93 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:14.079 evaluators just to see and interact with the prospects and what a difference that can 94 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:18.199 make for some of those fringe guys that might have decent film, but some 95 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:24.759 scouts might be lower on that consensus. So Patrick Paul was a guy that 96 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.959 a lot of people were really high on it, including myself. I wasn't 97 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:32.199 low on him per se, but his profile was so like either really really 98 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:36.199 top end or really really low in because I thought on film he really struggled 99 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:41.639 athletically. Really he has all that length, and so what he would do 100 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.839 is he'd reached outside of his frame and was really gravvy. I'm like, 101 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:46.879 this is going to be a penalty magnet in the league, And so I 102 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.560 came down with a ton of questions. I actually tried talking to him a 103 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:54.160 bunch, and I really focused on him during a lot of his reps. 104 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.000 The first guy I watched in film was Patrick Paul. I just really wanted 105 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.920 to figure out what he was as a prospect. Throughout this whole process, 106 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.519 he was one of my main guys, and I think he did a lot 107 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:08.839 for me to really solidify, you know, his profile and kind of get 108 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:12.399 me there with him And where did you land? Where were you before, 109 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.759 where were you after? And what were the things that changed your perspective on 110 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:19.439 where he should be evaluated? Yeah, I mean I had him as a 111 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:24.319 top top ten guy obviously, he had he has the size and tackle not 112 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:30.319 yeah at tackle. Sorry, Yeah, not overall. I still had him 113 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.720 as like a top twenty five guy, first round guy, easy, just 114 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:38.759 because of the size of the pedigree. But I just, yeah, his 115 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.959 athleticism worried me, and like I said, his technique and so watching him 116 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:45.399 play, actually, I think I can see him now as a top five 117 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:47.399 guy. I think I currently have him as a top five tackle in my 118 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.560 rankings, and I'd say he's a top fifteen prospect in my eyes. I 119 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:53.879 don't know if a lot of people are going to see him that way, 120 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:57.240 but just from talking to him and listening to what he's been focusing on it, 121 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:01.639 I think he's very self aware about his flaws and his strengths. And 122 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:07.319 I think Duke the guy's many whether who he's training with is allowing him, 123 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.519 like helping him see those flaws and see those issues, and I really think 124 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:13.959 he's focused on improving. I don't know, it sounds weird. Again, 125 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:16.439 it sounds weird all these guys should be, but I think he's really locked 126 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.600 in and that really helped me get there with him. You think that the 127 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.879 Bengals should target him at eighteen potentially obviously we don't know who's there, but 128 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:30.040 you would list him as in, let's be honest here, our listener's magic. 129 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:31.200 We're all and we've heard of Patrick Paul, but a lot of our 130 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.799 listeners are getting to know these guys. You think that's someone that they should 131 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.279 at least highlight or put a star next to as a potential candidate for that 132 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:45.080 eighteenth, eighteenth pick. Yeah. So he played left tackle at Houston, 133 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:48.240 and I've talked about when you're I mean, I think we all had this 134 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:52.000 discourse last year, but when you're transitioning from left to right tackle, I've 135 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:56.399 always said it's a lot easier to project a higher, a better athletic profile 136 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:00.679 to switch. And I still don't think he's their athletic. We'll see how 137 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.840 we tests. But just watching him move around and even talking to him, 138 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:05.879 people ask him like, oh, are you working both? Are you anticipating 139 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.240 trying to just make a land somewhere at both? And he seems very adamant 140 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:15.080 that he's a lot more comfortable staying at left. I think the best answer 141 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.879 I heard was, you know, I'm more than happy to play right tackle, 142 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:20.720 but it's definitely going to take me a lot longer to get there. 143 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.320 And so I don't think the Bengals will target him purely for that reason because 144 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:28.240 and I don't I think it's a good idea. I don't think he'd transitioned 145 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:30.759 well to the right. I think he is a left tackle. I mean, 146 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.559 I'd love to have him in buying Orlando Brown. That's a guy that 147 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.000 could definitely help him figure it out in the league. But I just he'd 148 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:39.639 be he'd be a bench writer in my opinion. Real quick, just a 149 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:45.440 fun fact about him. He's Chris Paul's younger brother, but not that Chris 150 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.840 Paul, ladies and gentlemen, the Chris Paul that was a seventh round pick 151 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:52.919 for the Washington Commanders a few years ago. So just for those wondering, 152 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.279 is Chris Paul's younger brother, but not the Chris Paul that's an NBA star 153 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.639 and going to be a Hall of Famer one day. And just to add 154 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.600 on to that, someone actually asked them about that on the field after a 155 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.120 practice. They're like, oh, you know, you asked him. Remember 156 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.000 how they phrased the question, But it was like super vague, and like 157 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.679 everyone around like started looking around at each other and was like, oh, 158 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:15.159 like crisp like that Chris Ball. 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How did you come away 210 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.639 with those two guys in terms of where you had them before, where you 211 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.799 had them after, and what moved those evaluations, if anything, are confirmed 212 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:52.519 what you thought about those players. Yeah, So I'll start with Talisa Fuaga 213 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:54.559 out of Oregon State. He played right tackle. I'm just trying to help 214 00:13:54.559 --> 00:14:00.320 people get familiar that aren't. But uh, he's a guy all right that 215 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.279 I just I came in Really, I wasn't not that I wasn't interested in 216 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:05.879 watching him, but I really just came in to see him on day one 217 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:07.000 and be like, Oh, is this the guy that I think he is? 218 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:13.639 And he's every bit of what everyone talks about him where he's physical he's 219 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:18.080 aggressive, he's athletic. I do think he's got a little he has length 220 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:22.200 issues. He looks a little shorter, limbed. I know his arms came 221 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:24.960 in a little low. His legs need to be short. He doesn't really 222 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.600 have that length in his set. But his athleticism helps make up for a 223 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.000 lot of things, and his aggression helps finish stuff that a lot of other 224 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:35.039 guys just don't really have the energy or athletic capability to do. And so 225 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:39.279 I think he was through the first couple of days one of the guys getting 226 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.559 guys on the ground the most and just really imbtied everything that I thought he 227 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.759 was as a prospect, just them all or man and he's just fun to 228 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.240 watch. So is he someone you run to the podium too? Casual jog 229 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.480 stroll? Yeah, I think it really comes down for me at eighteen. 230 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.519 If Newton's there, you go Newton, you know, Jerseon Newton. But 231 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:03.480 if Jerson Newton's not there, it's Talisa Fugg He's the guy. So exactly, 232 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:09.279 he would be your realistic number one tackle, just put it that for 233 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:13.320 the for the Bengals, Yeah, he'd be my guy, the number one 234 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.600 tackle on the Bengals board another guy. I think that would be perhaps in 235 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.440 that conversation, I don't know. We talked a little bit about the Marius 236 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.799 Men's Tyler Goyiton topic. But Tyler Goyiton was a guy at the Senior Bowl, 237 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.480 also played right tackle at Oklahoma, was a transfer, a little bit 238 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:33.799 of a late bloomer, a little bit older, working with Paul Alexander. 239 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:39.720 We talked about Patrick Paul working with Duke Manieweather, also working with Orlando Brown, 240 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.639 or has a relationship at least with Orlando Brown, former Oklahoma tackle as 241 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:48.519 well. Where did Tyler Guiton sack up compared to Fuaga and how are they 242 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:54.000 different prospects? Yeah, so Giton is like the exact opposite from a physical 243 00:15:54.000 --> 00:16:00.720 profile where he's tall and long and just has has like the pro prototypical NFL 244 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.480 tackle size, right, And that's where you get a lot of these guys 245 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.639 are like, oh, well you can't, I can't coach size. I 246 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:10.919 might as well take a swing on the guy that has at least the measurables 247 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.519 and we can work on the technique. And Guidon was a guy that I 248 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:18.960 really hoped would show me that he improved. I mean obviously not drastically from 249 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:23.000 the season ended just a couple months ago to now, but can show some 250 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:26.759 improvement. A lot of these guys showed some significant improvement technically, and you 251 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:30.919 can tell the obviously been working really hard to really clean up their profile coming 252 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.159 into the process, and he just kind of seemed like the same player to 253 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:37.639 me, and I guess I'm really high on him just because of the size 254 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.159 paired with his athletic profile. I think he's going to be a really good 255 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.120 tester and he moves really well. He's a strong guy, he's a competitor. 256 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.000 He was one of the few guys getting like amped up after every single 257 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.639 rep he took. I know it took him I think a full day. 258 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.799 Oh it might have might have only been half a session, but it took 259 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.639 him a longer than he wanted to get it up against Chris Braswell, who 260 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:00.679 is an end J out of Alabama, because he knew he was one of 261 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.759 the top prospects and his you know, his team that he was able to 262 00:17:03.839 --> 00:17:07.720 face off against, and he was looking forward to that matchup for a long 263 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:08.599 time. When he finally got it, you know, he got down in 264 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.279 there, gave a little the little the little high five before the rep and 265 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:15.720 then you know, handshake after tap on the head and he's just yeah, 266 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.559 he's a big competitor. I love that drive out of guys. And just 267 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.680 from a technical perspective, he's got really active feet, really quick feet for 268 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:26.799 a guy at his size. His hands are the biggest question for me. 269 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:32.079 And unfortunately, throughout the Senior Bowl, I did not did not fix that 270 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:33.079 issue. I didn't. I didn't come out of the Senior but like, 271 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:36.359 oh wow, he really has improved hands. It's kind of like, yeah, 272 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:37.319 it's just like an issue we're just going to have to deal with. 273 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:41.759 Is something that can be cleaned up in an offseason or two. Like and 274 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:44.839 like you talked about being a late bloomer, I think that's a really big 275 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.880 concern for some people. I don't really worry about that as much with these 276 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:51.920 guys being able to have, you know, ten plus year careers if they 277 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.400 can hit that level. But yeah, we'll we'll see, We'll see how 278 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:56.359 it goes. I'm interested to see how he tests. He's a big guy. 279 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:59.880 If he tests well, then I'm I'm feeling confident to take this. 280 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:04.640 I probably put him at two or three at the second or third offensive tackle 281 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:08.319 for the Bengals. Specifically, in my opinion, how do you think he 282 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:15.440 would fit alongside this offensive line? Orlando Brown Junior obviously on the other side, 283 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:21.599 former Oklahoma tackle like Jake mentioned. But one thing everyone has seemed to 284 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:26.279 mention is the fact that the Bengals haven't used many premium picks on offensive linemen 285 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:30.200 in the athleticism aspect. So does the testing? Does it come down to 286 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.680 the testing for you for Guitten as far as him being in contention for the 287 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:38.559 eighteenth pick and him testing as well as you think, I really think it's 288 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:41.079 gonna come. I mean, it's obviously gonna be a couple of factors, 289 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:45.599 But the testing is so big for him because if he can test well like 290 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.759 a top level tester in the class at that size, I just think that's 291 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.759 something that you have to It's almost worth the risk in my opinion, especially 292 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:57.200 in a year where they can I've talked about using this to kind of build 293 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:00.960 build on the draft position. How often you're going to be picking at eighteen? 294 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:07.200 How often do you really invest capital draft capital into this position? Go 295 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:10.279 get a long term guy that you feel confident that you can work with. 296 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:15.799 But I as far as fit goes, I just man, I'd like to 297 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:18.880 say he's gonna fit really well with the group. I mean, you got 298 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.240 Alex Kappa, who's next to Tristan works for at least I don't remember how 299 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:26.920 long that relationship actually lasted, but a couple of seasons at least, so 300 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.480 he's used to working next to more athletic guy. And I said for a 301 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.559 while now that the Bengals need a guy in the room that can be that 302 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:38.839 enforcer, that can be that aggressive play style type of guy. And bringing 303 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.680 guyton in, I think he is that guy and could be that guy, 304 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:45.559 and that'd be a huge boost to the room in my opinion. So that's 305 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.359 where I think he'd bring a lot to the room that they're missing. And 306 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.920 that's where I really like that pick. Him and fu Waga bring both of 307 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:53.559 those things. 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After what you saw from them at the Senior Bowl. 341 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:08.279 One of the guys that I've seen a lot of people talking about Jordan Morgan, 342 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:11.599 a left tackle, came back from an ACL injury, played really well 343 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.119 after an ACL injury. Some people would say better. Was it the Senior 344 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:18.359 Bowl as well? But are there any other tackles that you want to dive 345 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:21.400 into and give some thoughts on for a Bengals fit before we talk about some 346 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:26.559 of these other guys. I got a guy I'm saving for the end that 347 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:27.960 I might I might just save for the end for now. Okay, we'll 348 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:32.480 let you stand on the table for him in a moment Jackson powers Johnson, 349 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:37.960 any any thoughts there? He obviously had a standout week, was one of 350 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:42.519 the guys seen as a big winner pretty unanimously by those covering the Senior Bowl. 351 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:47.079 Obviously, though, you have a positional value difference and a scarcity difference 352 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:51.960 an interior offensive line versus tackle, and you could talk about Christian Haynes potentially 353 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:55.759 as a later round target on the interior if the Bengals were so inclined, 354 00:22:55.759 --> 00:23:00.119 but positional versatility there potentially with JPJ, did he really make a mark for 355 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:06.480 himself for you did he change and elevate his profile in your eyes? You 356 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:10.640 know, I heard a lot of people talking about how he really, you 357 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:14.480 know, propelled himself into the first round conversation. I still see him as 358 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.240 a solid second rounder, and that's not really a knock on what he did, 359 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:22.160 but just more speaking to the talent pool of this draft. I just 360 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:26.680 don't know if the value is there outside of positional need for Jackson powers Johnson. 361 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:29.720 I really liked what he did. I thought he looked very strong. 362 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.440 He's a guy where with his again, with his size, which is really 363 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:36.400 good for the position, and what he's able to do with his hands. 364 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:41.319 I'm really excited for what he can do again, multiple multipositional he's got. 365 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:44.279 He checks all the boxes right, and the one thing that I thought was 366 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:48.359 missing on his film was athleticism. I want to see him move well. 367 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.319 I know there's a lot of people to talk about how he well he moved 368 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:55.960 down down the field, and I don't know if it's an Oregon offense thing 369 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:00.319 or him his play style type thing. I didn't really see a lot of 370 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.640 athleticism in his game down at the Senior Bowl, So I'm really interested to 371 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:07.359 see how he tests again. If he tests well, that'll be the final 372 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:10.599 box for me and I'll be there with him. That's the one thing holding 373 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:14.079 me back on him with being at his size. I'd like to see him 374 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:17.759 move a little better to be like that top tier prospect that people are talking 375 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:21.319 about. But I really like his game. I think he's a fun player 376 00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:23.920 to watch, has a great personality. But yeah, I just I'm not 377 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:27.000 there with him athletically, but I really like what he does in every other 378 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.079 aspect of the game. Love him as a prospect. I just he won't 379 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.559 be my center one, but probably gonna be my center two by the end 380 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:37.920 of the process. Yeah, there are to me outside of right tackle, 381 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:42.240 there's still a need and this is probably a need that should be filled in 382 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:48.880 the draft for sure, because you're not sure exactly if like Jackson powerd. 383 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.759 Johnson might start for the Bengals at left guard if they drafted him eighteenth overall, 384 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.559 But if you take a center guard combo on day two, day three, 385 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:00.599 early day three, that guy's probably not starting as a rookie. Are 386 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.440 there any guys like that that you like? Because I think that is in 387 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.920 need and that's something that they need to address and Ideally it would be someone 388 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.759 that could play center and guard and back up all three spots if possible. 389 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:18.680 Yeah, I've I've been a huge fan of Christian Haynes since I turned on 390 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.519 the film. And I know a lot of people are gonna be turned off 391 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:27.359 by him just because of the measurables, but he plays outside of those constraints 392 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:30.720 really well. He moves really well. And this week and again he was 393 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.480 a guy I was super worried about his play strength because he showed it on 394 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.319 film, but the games that I have access to right now just it wasn't 395 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.200 the best competition. So I was like, Oh, if I come into 396 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.319 this week and come out of this week seeing him really like throw in that 397 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.559 anchor, be able to stand some of these guys up and be a people 398 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.119 mover in the run game, I'm gonna be really excited about this kid. 399 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.240 And he did all of those things throughout the week, and he's just he's 400 00:25:55.279 --> 00:26:00.200 a maller, he's super aggressive. He's actually training with Tyler Geyton. Take 401 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.400 that from what you will, but I just I love that kid, and 402 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:08.319 he just is a hard worker and plays plays a lot bigger than he looks 403 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:12.000 and just has that play style that I that I love, and so he's 404 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.039 a guy that checks all the boxes for me, and he's gonna be a 405 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:19.960 later round pick. I think he'll slide because of his measurables and outside of 406 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:22.519 him, I'm trying to think of guys. I mean, Zach Fraser is 407 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:27.599 a guy that probably would have been a top guy for me in this class 408 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:32.519 without the injury. But he's already ready to go. He was patted up 409 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.359 on day one. I didn't see him do much of anything throughout the Senior 410 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:38.279 Bowl, but it sounds like he's gonna be a full participant in the combine. 411 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.240 He's just he was the center out of West Virginia and he's he's a 412 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:45.759 guy that I see as a multi positional guy as well, where I just 413 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.400 I love his game. I love what he can do. Another guy checks 414 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.759 all the boxes for me. Should end up being probably a late third rounder, 415 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:57.279 if not early day three type guy, just because of the profile and 416 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.599 if he's really able to come back from that injury this fast. But yeah, 417 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.200 he's the guy that I want to buy a lot of stocking before we 418 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:08.359 let you stand on the table. Let's shift gears talk defensive line really quick 419 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:12.960 Devandres went obviously the big stand out to me, But as you were watching 420 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.119 the defensive line, I'm curious to get your take. We were just talking 421 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.359 to Mike Runner about the trenches as well. He mentioned the Christian Hanse he 422 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:23.079 thinks is long levered despite his short height, which he thinks is potentially an 423 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.400 upside for him at guard, which is interesting. We'll see how he measures 424 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.519 and how he tests and everything. But the defensive side of the ball, 425 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.559 Mike Renner was a little disappointed for the most part outside of sweat. What 426 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.480 were your takeaways when you were watching the defensive line class and did anyone stand 427 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:41.119 out to you in a big way as the potential Bengals target. Yeah? 428 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:48.839 There, So the most interesting guy for me had it been Brandon Dorless out 429 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.200 of Oregon. I think he played a lot of edge out there, but 430 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.680 he really mostly played inside at the Senior Bowl and he was very dominant in 431 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.319 the one on one periods. However, we got the team and it was 432 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.519 like, you know, he'd be very hit and miss. My favorite guy 433 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:06.519 out of the entire d line group, and it sounds like this is pretty 434 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.880 you know, consensus. But Braiden Fisk, Braiden by Kellen Brandon all Week. 435 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:18.160 Braiden Fisk out of Florida State is an absolute monster. He seemed unblockable 436 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:21.480 at times. People just couldn't handle it, man, And he was just 437 00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:25.839 fun to watch, sounds like from what I talked everyone I talked to he 438 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:30.000 was a great interview. Again, another high, high character guy. People 439 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:33.480 just loved hanging out with him. He interacted with fans every time he got 440 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.119 the opportunity to. Just a great guy, great demeanor, but just a 441 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:40.599 monster on the field. And those are just guys you love to see and 442 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:41.799 I'm excited to see what he's able to do at the next level. But 443 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:48.559 he's probably my defensive line winner of the week instead of Devandre Sweat. So 444 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.240 if they took him day two, you'd be pretty excited. I would be 445 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.640 absolutely amped if they took him day two. The one thing I'll call out 446 00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:02.000 about Fisk, of course, fifth year senior, was a transfer and that's 447 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:06.200 he just ages Jake. It's that time of year. It haint these old 448 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.759 guys. Man. I don't I don't in a vacuum, but it's a 449 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:15.079 factor that you have to consider when comparing a guy that maybe is a junior 450 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.119 playing against the same level of competition compared to a guy that's two years older. 451 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:23.640 It's in that timeframe of life. Think about your life between ages eighteen 452 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:29.200 and twenty three and how much physical development occurs in that period of life, 453 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:33.119 and that that's also true for these guys in college football. But Parker said, 454 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.400 we were gonna let you stand on the table. You can have a 455 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.160 couple of guys you've I think fisc is one of your guys. That was 456 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:44.960 a little bit of standing on the table, but not necessarily as passionate as 457 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:45.799 you might get about this other guy. I don't know who it is. 458 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:49.920 Go ahead, get up on that table. Yeah. I know a guy 459 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:55.200 that I thought was a huge riser this week that I'd seen some people talk 460 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:59.880 about, but just that I really loved his game and needed to see him 461 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.799 tune some things up this week, and he did. Was Kingsley Sue Mattea 462 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:07.519 out a BYU. He played both tackles a lot all week and played both 463 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.759 at a very high level, especially towards the end of the week. He 464 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.079 showed an impressive anchor and he's he's a crazy athlete, man, And so 465 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.359 my biggest concern coming in was he just played really out of control and really 466 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:23.960 lean on that athleticism on film and even earlier, like his Day one wasn't 467 00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:29.839 great, but his Day two and three we were spectacular, and he explodes 468 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.160 off the ball. Just getting to the second level. He just is easy 469 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.720 for him. He handles linebackers like it's nothing. And I just really came 470 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.599 into the week need to see him like, hey, let's settle in past 471 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.079 protection wise, don't just worry about being athletic and mirroring guys. Really get 472 00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:48.160 a hands on, be powerful, set that anchor. Really just own some 473 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.119 guys in past protection. And he did that through Day two and three. 474 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:55.359 Was getting guys on the ground. Was really just he had very tight hands. 475 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.440 Wasn't as wild and crazy as I had seen him on film, played 476 00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.559 a lot more under control even at the same second level. Is a people 477 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.599 mover in the run game. I just think he does everything well. And 478 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.119 if I saw him come up on a lot of people's boards throughout the week 479 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.759 and he's really impressed, I don't. I still don't think he's going to 480 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:15.200 be in the first round conversation because he's still very raw as a prospect. 481 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:17.880 But if you can get him into a building and really tune him up. 482 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.400 I think he can really be a monster at the next level. So Kingsley 483 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:26.680 Sumtea round two, brock Bowers round one. You're a big brock Bawers guy. 484 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:33.359 You go with what's sorry, I'm already losing his name. Hold on, 485 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.200 hold on, hold on here, Christian Haynes. Round four. I'm 486 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.839 just trying to find your guys. Parker. Yeah, I mean, brock 487 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:42.799 Bowers is definitely not my first round pick, but you're more the welcome to 488 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:47.200 keep telling people that so I can look like a genius when he goes that 489 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.240 earlier. Me and Parker have been texting about brock Bowers for a while. 490 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:53.359 He's anti Brock. I'm all in. But if these if the Bengals could 491 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:59.480 end up with Sue Matteya and Haines like that would just it would obviously increase 492 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.880 the athletic in the room, you know, one hundred fold, it feels 493 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.759 like at times. But those are just I don't know, man, those 494 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.559 are guys with really high ceilings that if you can maximize that, then you're 495 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.240 gonna have some real studs in this group. And that's what the Bengals have 496 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.240 to figure out. With the floor ceiling conversation, what kind of players they 497 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:19.920 want to take, if they are guys that maybe need development time, or 498 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.839 how ready they are to hit the ground running. Some fun facts on kings 499 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:30.079 Ley Sua Mattea played both tackles at BYU played left hand right tackle, was 500 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:35.960 apparently a five star recruit, but a cousin to the Sewels, Penne Sewell's 501 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.079 cousin, and was a high school teammate a pukin Nakua, which I thought 502 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:45.599 was interesting as well. Some good NFL connections there for Kingsley Sue Mattea, 503 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:50.480 and if he's showing some improvement technically, could be a very fun prospect to 504 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.200 talk about throughout the process. Parker, we appreciate the time and you sharing 505 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.880 your experience down in Mobile some of the guys that stood out to you. 506 00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:01.039 Excited to see your evaluations as the process goes on. Of course, you 507 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:06.079 can find Parker on Twitter and all of his work at Parker Blake six, 508 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.000 so you can find some of his writing over at Allbengals dot com as well. 509 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:13.119 So make sure you check out Parker's work, give him a follow on 510 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:17.400 Twitter, and that's gonna do it for this episode of the Lockdown, Bengals 511 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:22.039 Podcast. Until next time, Thanks for listening, Who day, and have 512 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:27.079 a good one. Is your team eliminated from the playoffs and in need of 513 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.480 reinforcements. Maybe it's time for a rebuild, or maybe they're just a player 514 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:36.000 or two away from taking home the Lombardi Trophy. Either way, join Keith 515 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:42.880 Sanchez and Damian Parson for Lockdraft Monday on the Lockdown NFL Draft Podcast. 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